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00:00<kop>terion23: You'd need to look at what they have to be sure. That's one possible problem. The other is your iptables rules. I don't fuss with those myself. iptables makes me cranky. (I prefer ferm or shorewall, probably ferm.) You can pastebin your rules somewhere so people can help.
00:00<kop>terion23: You also need to be sure the sysctl is set to turn forwarding on.
00:01<terion23>sysctl.conf has a line which i decommented.
00:01<kop>terion23: Did you run sysctl afterwords or reboot?
00:01<kop>terion23: So you should be able to verify with sysctl -a.
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00:02<kop>terion23: If you've rule problems start with some simple rules, test those, and then add to them.
00:02<terion23>But if the problem is in the dns servers i should be able to browse the web on ip adresses right?
00:02<kop>terion23: Not really. You should be able to ping.
00:03<terion23>the only adress who recieves a ping is the gateway itself.
00:03<kop>terion23: (Some sites yes, some no.)
00:03<terion23>After that nothing shows result.
00:03<terion23>so if i ping it just says no route to host.
00:03<kop>terion23: Then your rules/natting are bad.
00:04<terion23>Can i take iptables 'offline' so just everything should work to test?
00:04<kop>terion23: Or your routing. You could paste "route -n" output. But if you've got net on the gateway it's likely right.
00:05<kop>terion23: Yes, execpt that you need natting.
00:05<kop>terion23: (If you didn't need natting you'd know enough to not have to ask these questions.)
00:06<kop>terion23: Since you're starting from scratch you might want to try ferm.
00:06<kop>terion23: Again, pastebin so the channel can see the rules.
00:06<terion23>ill look into that thanks you
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00:08<th>how can i prevent ipv6 address like inet6 addr: fe80::b602:c6ad/128 added to eth0? i have tried net.ipv6.conf.eth0.accept_ra = 0 net.ipv6.conf.eth0.autoconf = 0 net.ipv6.conf.eth0.use_tempaddr = 2 and eth0 still given fe80 address
00:08<terion23> these are my firewall rules as they are now.
00:08<cthuluh>th: I believe these addresses are needed
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00:09<th>do you mean it's mandatory to have that address if i need to use ipv6 through eth0?
00:09<sney>terion23: also take a look at shorewall, I love shorewall for iptables management. keeps things readable and I don't have to remember iptables syntax
00:10<cthuluh>terion23: what is your actual wan interface? eth1 or ppp0?
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00:12<terion23>eth1 is the interface on which the dhcp server runs at.
00:13<cthuluh>so your rules are mixed up
00:13<terion23>How can u say?
00:13<terion23>i loaded the bash script i pasted before.
00:13<cthuluh>iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -j ACCEPT
00:13<cthuluh>seems obvious that you are allowing from eth0 to eth1
00:13<cthuluh>when you want the opposite
00:14<cthuluh>same thing with the masquerading
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00:14<cthuluh>th: a bt
00:15<cthuluh>th: a better question would be "why do you want to disable them?"
00:15<th>what's a bt?
00:16<terion23>So masqerauding should be iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUEARADE right?
00:16<th>hmmm, perhaps like this: i discreetly plug my laptop into a switch in an unknown network in a office. i don't want my laptop to be discoverable because it's answering to a link local addr
00:16<cthuluh>terion23: almost, (MASQUERADE)
00:17<cthuluh>terion23: and only if eth0 is *really* the outgoing interface
00:17<cthuluh>terion23: I'm stressing on the fact that most adsl users on europe have to use ppp
00:17<cthuluh>but it's fine if you don't
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00:17<terion23>i dont have that problem lol
00:18<terion23>btw if i start the firewall script it says :
00:18<terion23>Using intrapositioned negation (`--option ! this`) is deprecated in favor of extrapositioned (`! --option this`).
00:18<terion23>Is this a problem?
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00:18<cthuluh>not really. there are other problems
00:18<terion23>such as?
00:19<cthuluh>I don't know this file: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forwardroot
00:19<cthuluh>I think it's a type for ip_forwarding
00:19<cthuluh>err, ip_forward*
00:19<cthuluh>a typo*, damn
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00:20<th>ah, you're right, thanks for the info. it's mentioned in an IETF draft:
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00:39<EmleyMoor>Could do with making it play with a specific MRL though... will look into that
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01:10<qiyong>1st dynamic dns + 2ed dns slave v.s. 1st dynamic dns + 2ed dynamic dns
01:10<qiyong>which one should I choose?
01:10<qiyong>named + dhcpd for dns reverse
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01:12<EmleyMoor>The option for the default DVD player has been found - in the File Browser - and I have set it to use xine - but I need to use the dvd:// MRLs
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01:19<EmleyMoor>Now File Browser won't let me tinker - it sooms to freeze
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01:30<EmleyMoor>How do I destroy my nautilus prefs and start again?
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01:34<dankcannabis>how do i install flash player on xunbuntu
01:34<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
01:35<sney>!ubuntuirc dankcannabis
01:35<dpkg>dankcannabis: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
01:35<cthuluh>EmleyMoor: I'd say by removing nautilus files in ~/.gconf.d or ~/.nautilus
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01:36<EmleyMoor>cthuluh: So would I - but it's not effective
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01:37<EmleyMoor>I can't get to Preferences any more - it freezes
01:38<sney>nautilus probably keeps assorted config crap in .gnome as well
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01:49<EmleyMoor>It's crapping out, so I need to get the crap out
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01:51<sney>EmleyMoor: I'd ask in freenode's #gnome
01:51<sney>they probably know exactly where it all is
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02:58<cryptodira>what potential problems should i be aware of in migrating from ubuntu 10.10 to squeeze 6.0.1 on the amd/64 architecture?
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03:05<th>what kind of migration?
03:07<cryptodira>th: i was thinking about replacing ubuntu with debian, but was wondering if /home would migrate cleanly ?
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03:12<th>usually, no
03:12<th>various desktop environments rc files and the likes
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03:14<retrospectacus>just use a different username
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03:17<cryptodira>th: ok, was hoping to avoid a lot of copying/moving files and programs over... thanks.
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03:40<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. With regards sources.list, please could someone explain the effects of specifying the release codename, as opposed to the release type? So, for example, deb <codename> main, over deb testing main. Similarly for the /updates lines.
03:41<jm_>that's explained in release notes, chapter 4.3. Preparing sources for APT
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03:43<bzminds>sorry :)
03:43<ComradeHaz`>OK, jm_, I'll try to find them
03:43<ComradeHaz`>!release notes
03:43<dpkg>Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at . See also and . Also ask me about <i-g>, <firmware images>, <install squeeze>, <errata>, <lenny->squeeze>.
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03:46<ComradeHaz`>OK, jm_ that's how I understood it before. What about the security aspect of it as described here:
03:46<ComradeHaz`>It was that that made me think there are downsides to specifying the release type rather than code name..
03:47<jm_>ComradeHaz`: that's irrelevant of how you specify it
03:49<jm_>ComradeHaz`: both testing and wheezy will work
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04:18<cafenet>how can i enable "Main Menu " item from terminal?
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04:23<th>what terminal?
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04:36<petrol91>Hi all, I have debian sid, at linux 2.6-32 amd64 at intel pentium T4300. I dont know how to set up cpufrequtils to work with it. I dont know what drivers should i load. can you help me?
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04:37<streuner__>petrol91: /topic
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04:39<jm_>does it even support any cpufreq stuff?
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04:39<petrol91>i heard that it is
04:39<petrol91>friend with gento have same
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04:40<jm_>try modprobe acpi-cpufreq
04:41<petrol91>it wont work, same as other modules listed: acpi-cpufreq.ko mperf.ko pcc-cpufreq.ko powernow-k8.ko speedstep-centrino.ko
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04:41<petrol91>".../acpi-cpufreq.ko): Input/output error"
04:42<jm_>probably best to find out what this CPU really supports, but it may just be you need a newer kernel
04:43<petrol91>my error it is :2.6.39-2-amd64
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04:44<petrol91>Enhanced Intel SpeedStep® Technology
04:44<Guest4529>только не говорите что тут одни америкашки
04:45<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
04:45<jm_>it says it has speedstep
04:46<jm_>i've seen acpi-cpufreq fail when there was an issue with ACPI on the system
04:46<jm_>see if you can find anything in dmesg
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04:47<streuner>dpkg, ru =~ s/use/talk/
04:47<dpkg>OK, streuner
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04:54<raboof>2.6.39 FTW! no more audio skipping with my onboard sound card (used to be awful)
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04:58<petrol91>on : i found that i should use acpi-cpufreq or speedstep-centrino, but it wont work
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05:01<devil>petrol91: from a quick glance, that list seems to be quite old
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05:02<jm_>like I said, see what kernel says in dmesg after modprobe
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05:32<ComradeHaz`>jm_: Thankyou. Sorry for delay, got called away :)
05:32<jm_>ComradeHaz`: no worries
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05:45<cedric>Hello, I wonder what are the best practice for softwqare raid and lvm. First, is it better to create a raid1 on sd[ab] or sd[ab]1 ? (with sda1 and sdb1 being one big non-formated partition of the whole disk)
05:46<cedric>(not a bootable raid, my system is on others disks)
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05:48<cedric>for lvm, the FAQ suggest to not use a full disk but a partion of a disk in order to allow other OS to understand the disk partitionning. I run only linux, what is the suggested option ?
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05:54<mansi>friends i need to write custom lines during debian squeeze sytem instead of printing the startup of services, i need to print some particular it possible?
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06:51<ComradeHaz`>cedric: I tend to, and am in the process of setting up such a system. I have found there are issues doing this with the installer though because grub does not support /boot on lvm / raid.
06:51<ComradeHaz`>Grub2 does, however
06:52<ComradeHaz`>Actually I have just realised I must have misdiagnosed the isue here.
06:52<ComradeHaz`>you'd best ignore me for now!
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06:53<cedric>ComradeHaz`: np, it looks ok to set up raid + lvm with d-i .
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06:54<ComradeHaz`>But in principle, the answer to your question is you should be fine creating a large (empty) partition filling each disk, create a vg filling the raid, and then your lv's in there. Including /boot and /root these days with grub2
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06:54<ComradeHaz`>debian installer?
06:55<ComradeHaz`>Yes, traditionally I have done that, but I have failed with both stable and unstable net-install discs today
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06:55<ComradeHaz`>I have a feeling I have used unstable in the past when doing this
06:55<ComradeHaz`>but that's not what I want today....
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06:58<cedric>ComradeHaz`: IIRC stable debian-installer does support raid+lvm.
06:59<cedric>my question is more: is it better to do mdadm --create ... /dev/sd[ab] or mdadm --create ... /dev/sd[ab]1 ? (with the partitions filling the whole disk)
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07:04<gnugr>cedric: did you check this " "
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07:08<cedric>gnugr: I already saw this page. I already have 2 raid1, one with full device, and oine with partition, both seems working fine, I wonder if there are some best practice in this area.
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07:20<gnugr>cedric: read this too, you may find something " "
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07:24<madduck>cedric: sd[ab]1
07:24<madduck>you need space after the partition table for the grub bootloader
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07:25<madduck>only if you never want to boot the disks can you use them whole
07:25<cedric>madduck: I don't need grub here
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07:25<cedric>gnugr: the wiki suggets to use sd[ab], if I read it well
07:25<madduck>well, then you knew the answer before asking. ;)
07:26<gnugr>is an examble
07:26<cedric>madduck: not rally, I was googling after explanations, and didn't fint real ones
07:26<madduck>now you have one. ;)
07:26<cedric>yes :)
07:26<cedric>thank you both.
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07:29<gnugr>cedric: take a look " "
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07:36<guadalinex>hola guarra
07:37<babilen>!es-social guadalinex
07:37<dpkg>guadalinex: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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07:38<guadalinex>hola como te llamas
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07:45<guadalinex>eres una chica
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07:46<cedric>gnugr: interesting, I was already convince of SWraid, less risk of faillure, disk can be moved to another place, open source.
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07:47<babilen>Ganneff: Thanks, I just wanted to call you :)
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07:53<devil>they have chics on #debian-es? ;)
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07:57<miggs>hello. clementine doesn't play anything in debian kde. i pasted the whole process of starting and double clicking a song here: .
07:57<miggs>if anyone has a clue..
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08:01<marco>ciao a tutti
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08:21*mattcen is tearing his hair out. Can somebody please tell me the correct way to make /usr/sbin/sendmail point to msmtp rather than postfix (without uninstalling postfix)?
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08:23<weasel>mattux: there isn't.
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08:24<weasel>(you could dpkg-divert, but that isn't Right either)
08:25<mattcen>Ah, looks like I have to install msmtp-mta and have it remove postfix.
08:25<mattcen>Which is a shame, but if that's the way it's gotta be, that's how I'll do it.
08:25<cthuluh>mv /usr/sbin/sendmail{,.old}; ln /usr/bin/msmtp /usr/sbin/sendmail # :P
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08:26<mattcen>This host is only running postfix as a satellite setup anyway (pointing to my server to send through mail)
08:26<mattcen>cthuluh: Hah
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08:34<mattcen>Problem solved. Global MSMTP config to act as a smarthost, means that Postfix is gone, and /usr/sbin/sendmail is msmtp. Hooray!
08:34<mattcen>Thanks for you info guys
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09:38<terion23>Hello i have installed a dhcp server and it is running fine.
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09:39<terion23>But now i need to configure it using a dns server.
09:39<terion23>Can i use my isp dns servers or do i need to install one myself?
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09:41<petemc>terion23: you can use any
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09:42<terion23>So if i just insert the ip adress of my isp is will work?
09:42<terion23>*let me retype
09:42<petemc>option domain-name-servers
09:42<terion23>ok cool ty a lot.
09:43<terion23>does it need to be the ip adress of the dns servers or can it also be the hostnames of them?
09:43<petemc>ip addresses, otherwise what would it use to resolve the hostname
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09:44<terion23>lol ok ty again will test it now
09:44<antanas>Hi all
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09:45<antanas>What's up?
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09:46<terion23>not much
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09:53<jak0>how can i add chat servers to emphaty
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09:57<jak0>does enybody know??
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10:01<terion23>Open Empathy. Go to Account. Click on Add button. 2. Select IRC and ... server. 6. To join VGLUG chat
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10:01<terion23>or whatever the channel is u want to join
10:04<unixabg>Greetings, how do I make gdm3 start two sessions one on ctrl+alt+f7 and seoncd one on ctrl+alt+f8?
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10:13<kop>unixabg: I've always just started the second from /etc/inittab with a line like: 8:23:respawn:/usr/bin/X :0 vt8 -query -layout "Single Head Layout"
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10:15<kop>unixabg: This might not be the best way to do it. Check out the debian wiki thin client page and also check with the folks at (I suppose you could create another /etc/init.d/ script but that also sounds a bit clunky.)
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10:16<kop>unixabg: Actually the above is to start the X client. The gdm stuff has to happen elsewhere and I'm not clear on using gdm3 in this fashion yet. I've not yet moved from gdm. (And am not so happy with gdm3. It loops and eats cpu if it fails to start because there's no monitor etc.)
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10:17<kop>unixabg: You could probably use 'startx -- gdm3' or something in inittab....
10:17<unixabg>kop: First thanks for the response. What I wanted was to have two sessions on my notebook one running on F7 and a second on F8, it could be done with gdm but I can not figure out how to make it work with gdm3.
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10:17<kop>unixabg: If you're just interested in another local X session. (I'm doing thin client.)
10:17<unixabg>kop: yes local X only.
10:18<unixabg>It would seem odd that gdm it could be done and not in gdm3.
10:18<kop>unixabg: Rather than starting them sepaerately it might make more sense to use startx.
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10:18<kop>unixabg: I'm sure gdm3 will do it, I've not yet looked into it.
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10:19<jak0>who recomends me a good wireless client?
10:19<unixabg>kop: I too believe it should be possible, but I have and am looking and I do not see it.
10:19<unixabg>jak0: what does wireless client mean?
10:19<terion23>Hello im having a problem with my router, it offers dhcp and other computers can connect to it but dns does not seem to work
10:20<unixabg>kop: or I have seen it with my eyes but overlooked :)
10:20<jak0>i mean a client for connect with debian squeeze
10:20<kop>unixabg: Does gdm3 start X? I don't think so.... So you should be able to start X on another vt and have that start gdm3.
10:20<jak0>to a wireless network
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10:21<unixabg>kop: on the /etc/inittab thought can I specify the user to act for startx with su or something?
10:22<kop>unixabg: Yes, but that's a separate question from getting it going. (And why would you do that if the user's going to login with gdm3 anyway?)
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10:23<unixabg>kop: well I will know the users I want aheaad of time and just want some apps running on F7 display and other things on the F8
10:23<kop>jak0: Many configure the interfaces file directly. Others use wicd, for something. I'm not a wireless guy.
10:23<terion23>Hello i have configured my router to offer dhcp on another NIC but dns dont seem to work. you guys have any idea how this could be?
10:23<terion23>So the router has internet that is confirmed
10:24<kop>terion23: Did you check that dhcp is handing out the right dns address like I asked you last night?
10:24<terion23>How do i do that?
10:24<kop>unixabg: Then no point in running gdm3. Just start the apps. That's what .Xsession is for.
10:25<terion23>I cant ping anywhere accept 10.0.0.x range that is where all the dhcp requests have come from.
10:25<kop>terion23: If it's a debian dhcp client you look in /etc/resolv.conf. Otherwise you ask in an OS specific fasion.
10:25<terion23>its debian allright.
10:25<SorryGuest>I'm trying to block all non-IPv4 as part of task. I tried EBtables, but it seems it only works if my linux is a brouter (I need to make my eth0 become br0). How else can I do it?
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10:25<kop>terion23: So both the router and clients are debian?
10:25<terion23>But /etc/resolv.conf is for local use only?
10:25<terion23>Yes kop
10:26<unixabg>kop: Ok I will read about .Xsessions
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10:26<kop>unixabg: (Or startx, but that usually just starts one program.)
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10:27<kop>terion23: Yes, local use.
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10:27<terion23>On the router it does work.
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10:27<kop>terion23: In that it determintes the dns server for the local box.
10:27<terion23>On the client-side it doesnt.
10:27<kop>terion23: Do they have the same /etc/resolv.conf?
10:28<terion23>the dns-servers are coming from the dhcp-server right?
10:28<terion23>What does it has to do with local settings like /etc/resolv.conf?
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10:28<kop>terion23: If you set up dhcp, yes, by default.
10:28<kop>terion23: Each box needs a resolv.conf.
10:29<kop>terion23: Because each box needs a dns server.
10:29<kop>terion23: But I suspect your problem is in your natting/firewalling. But one thing at a time. resolv.conf is easy to check.
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10:30<terion23>It only contains a comment line saying generated by NetworkManager
10:30<terion23>On the router
10:30<terion23>iit does contain some ip adresses
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10:30<kop>terion23: Each box can run it's own local dns server to serve itself, in which case that needs to be properly configured to see other dns servers.
10:30<ylmflinux>I am chinese
10:30<kop>!tell ylmflinux about cn
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10:31<ylmflinux>I only know a little english
10:31<terion23>just check your private message ylmflinux
10:31<kop>ylmflinux: This is a support channel for Debian linux. If you have a question just ask. We speak english here. There's a chinese support channel, I think, but I don't know what it is.
10:31<ylmflinux>where are you come frome
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10:31<dpkg>For help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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10:32<ylmflinux>I know
10:32<terion23>Kop the client doenst have anything in /etc/resolv.conf
10:32<kop>ylmflinux: If you wish to chat and don't need help you can go to #debian-offtopic, or elsewhere.
10:32<kop>terion23: Is it running a dns server?
10:32<terion23>the client?
10:32<kop>terion23: Yes.
10:33<kop>terion23: So you seem to have a dhcp problem. It's not handing out the address of the dns server.
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10:34<kop>terion23: The linux networking guide at is old but good if you need to understand what you're doing.
10:34<terion23>I have configured it for two dns servers of my own isp
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10:35<sw0>hi all
10:35<kop>terion23: Well it's not getting to the client. You need to check your logs on the dhcp server and run dhclient manually on the client and see if it gives you any helpful messages. You could tell dhclient to be more verbose.
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10:36<terion23>It says RTNETLINK asnwers: FIle exist how verbose can it be? lol
10:36<lindi->terion23: real admins use systemtap to get a line number level trace
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10:36<kop>terion23: You already have an address so it won't assign another. I've not fussed with dhclient much. You might want to read the man page.
10:38<terion23>Can it be my firewall that doesnt forward to the dns servers that are outside my lan?
10:38<kop>terion23: You might want to pastebin the dhclient.conf file and the interfaces file on the client. But come to think of it the problem is probably not on the client. You've probably mis-configured the server and the answer's in the server's logs. Or that's my guess.
10:38<kop>terion23: You might have that problem too. But if the clients don't have the addresses of the dns servers you don't get very far.
10:39<terion23>So even if the firewall keeps the clients from connecting to the dns servers they still appear in /etc/resolv.conf?
10:39<kop>terion23: You can use dig (in bind-utils package??) or "getent hosts" to debug the resolver on the client. Dig is probably the right way to go.
10:39<kop>terion23: Yes.
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10:40<kop>terion23: man resolv.conf The only time they won't appear is if the client is running it's own dns server to cache dns results.
10:41<terion23>ok the pastefile can be found at :
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10:42<jak0>another cleint not wicd??
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10:46<unixabg>kop: thanks for your assistance.
10:47<terion23>Kop i have done it the client got his resolv.conf
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10:50<th>whenever i install/remove package, i got many lines like these: dpkg-query: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 53823 package 'am-utils': 'Replaces' field, reference to 'amd': error in version: version number does not start with digit
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10:51<th>i've tried doing apt-get update multiple times, still there
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10:55<terion23>Ok i got the /etc/resolv.conf on my clients but the thing is dns is still impossible also when i try to connect on ip it doesnt work
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10:56<terion23>is there any other way it does not work accept the firewall?
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10:58<jak0>is woody the last mini debian version??
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11:00<sney>jak0: mini?
11:00<daemonkeeper>Woody is obsolete since almost a decade.
11:00<sney>daemonkeeper: and that's why it's prudent to read the whole question
11:00<sney>what does jak0 mean by 'mini debian'
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11:01<daemonkeeper>A good question indeed
11:01<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. Where on my machine does information about software raid devices reside such that deleteing and recreating /etc/mdadm.conf b running dpkg-reconfigure mdadm picks up a raid device that as far as I am concerned does not exist?
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11:02<daemonkeeper>md RAID scans the super block of RAID devices for MD raids
11:02<jak0>ah ok
11:03<jak0>witch is the newest
11:03<daemonkeeper>Squeeze (6.0)
11:03<sney>I still want to know what you meant when you said mini
11:03<jak0>i mean the mini version
11:03<ComradeHaz`>yeah, daemonkeeper, that was my impresion. So one of my disks still has a superblock set from an old RAID?
11:03<daemonkeeper>ComradeHaz`: Probably yes
11:03<sney>there is no separate 'mini' version, but there are small installers, and you can install to a small disk
11:03<ComradeHaz`>Is there a way to find said block and nuke it?
11:04<sney>it just depends on which tasks you pick
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11:04<terion23>leaning over keyboard :(
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11:04<daemonkeeper>ComradeHaz`: Use mdadm --examine to find out about super blocks, --zero-superblock to nuke it
11:04<jak0>the problem is that my computer goes slow when i play videos
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11:05<ComradeHaz`>awesome daemonkeeper, thankyou.
11:05<jak0>i think the problem becomes from
11:05<jak0>a laptop install instead of normal...
11:05<sney>probably not
11:05<jak0>how can i change this?
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11:06<sney>you can run 'tasksel' again and deselect the laptop task, but it will make no difference
11:06<terion23>tasksel and deselect laptop
11:06<ComradeHaz`>daemonkeeper: does it matter if the disk in question now contain ext4 partitions and is active?
11:06<jak0>ok and then what could be the problem??
11:07<sney>selecting 'laptop' doesn't do a special install, it just includes some popular laptop software
11:07<daemonkeeper>ComradeHaz`: If you don't count on that data probably not.
11:07<ComradeHaz`>hehe, it's teh current OS!
11:07<sney>video acceleration would be my guess. or too-old hardware.
11:07<daemonkeeper>Why do you think a successfully mounted file system would lie on an orphaned mdadm RAID device?
11:08<ComradeHaz`>Um, well, I installed it there
11:08<daemonkeeper>Its not orphaned, if you can still mount it, right?
11:09<daemonkeeper>i.e. the mdraid is still in use
11:09<ComradeHaz`>no, no.
11:09<ComradeHaz`>The RAID partition is long gone.
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11:09<sney>it probably has some leftover raid metadata in the boot sector.
11:09<sney>is grub on that disk or a different one?
11:10<ComradeHaz`>it's a disk that was marked as spare in another RAID that I just deleted the partition from and created new partitions afresh
11:10<ComradeHaz`>completely forgetting about superblocks
11:10<daemonkeeper>If sney's assumption is right, you can nuke it
11:10<ComradeHaz`>grub is on that disk
11:11<ComradeHaz`>it's the only disk essentially at the moment
11:11<ComradeHaz`>it's not the end of the world, I guess
11:11<ComradeHaz`>It's only a temporary disk really
11:12<SynrG>jak0: if you mean 'mini.iso' that still exists.
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11:12<sney>mini.iso is aka businesscard?
11:13<sney>still was completely irrelevant anyway
11:13<SynrG>sney: no. mini.iso is different
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11:14<sney>hm indeed
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11:27<jak0>that works better
11:28<jak0>the mini.iso?
11:29<sney>jak0: no. it will not make a difference for your video issue.
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11:29<jak0>thank you a lot
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11:53<alexmax>grumble grumble
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11:53<alexmax>mibbit is banned here, even for authed users
11:55<alexmax>anyway how nuts am I if I run a webserver on debian testing? A friend of mine reassures me that he has never had issues, and having a somewhat consistently updated box does sound nice, and it even has security releases
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11:56<alexmax>speaking as someone who usually does ubuntu server with some PPA's for things like nginx
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12:05<daemonkeeper>alexmax: Well, you probably shouldn't count on reliability when using Testing, generally you're basically on your own with testing.
12:06<alexmax>that's what i figured
12:06<alexmax>so i guess do i go with stable or keep doing ubuntu point releases like I have been doing
12:06<daemonkeeper>However its rather ok(ish) to use it, if you're aware of side effects
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12:07<daemonkeeper>I don't get your particular reason though, what's wrong with stable's nginx?
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12:08<daemonkeeper>Especially on servers you really don't want to use bleeding edge copies
12:08<alexmax>up until recently nginx had no 1.0 release
12:09<alexmax>and i wanted to have access to the latest toys ;)
12:09<daemonkeeper>Well, usually stable toys are more valuable than the latest toy.
12:09<jhutchins_lt>Kinda depends on whether it's just your personal server or if it's serving some commercial purpose.
12:10<alexmax>if my server was flattened tomorrow i'd be very sad but nobody would lose any money
12:10<daemonkeeper>Sounds like a stable ground for testing
12:10<alexmax>then again
12:10<daemonkeeper>Ok, the "stable" was ambiguous :>
12:10<alexmax>the amount of care i have for maintenance has gone down
12:12<daemonkeeper>Honestly, running Debian Testing is no more unstable or worse than Ubuntu, from my experience.
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12:12<alexmax>and the fact that ssh sometimes refuses to come back up when i reboot my ubuntu box has made me reboot-averse ;)
12:12<alexmax>though i'm switching to a linode which will give me out of band ssh
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12:12<alexmax>so if my ssh doesn't come up i'm not boned
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12:13<daemonkeeper>Well, a IPMI/management card would help.
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12:16<alexmax>daemonkeeper: the dedi i have I'm paying 50 a month for
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12:16<alexmax>i doubt they would care enough to get one
12:17<diego>Hi, I have modified /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.allow to allow only one ip to connect to certain port (ssh)
12:17<daemonkeeper>50 what?
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12:17<diego>and then also filter all that port on iptables except from that ip
12:17<alexmax>daemonkeeper: Is there a way to disable the root account and use sudo in debian?
12:17<alexmax>like in ubuntu server
12:17<diego>and then also AllowUsers on ssh to that ip only
12:17<alexmax>or is that not recomended?
12:17<diego>(yeah, kind of paranoid)
12:18<daemonkeeper>alexmax: Useless, but sure.
12:18<diego>but that IP might change (have dyndns)
12:18<diego>is it possible to use dyndns somehow
12:18<alexmax>daemonkeeper: useless howso?
12:18<jhutchins_lt>diego: Debian is the same as any linux distro.
12:18<jhutchins_lt>Er, alexmax ^^
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12:19<alexmax>jhutchins_lt: well, i didn't know if something in the system assumed a working root user
12:19<daemonkeeper>Because the Ubuntu sudo cruft is no way more secure and precede every command with "sudo" is boring, sudo su on the other hand is roughly the same as a root login. If you care about ssh only, disable SSH root login.
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12:20<daemonkeeper>If you really want the Ubuntu behaviour, allow $youruser to get root privileges and disable the root login entirely
12:20<Guest4573>привет всем
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12:20<dpkg>Russian speakers, please talk (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
12:20<alexmax>daemonkeeper: well, with sudo i keep my normal-user environment
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12:21<alexmax>for example, i don't have to ln -s every single config file from my user to root homedir
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12:21<alexmax>just so i can have a 'comfortable' vim when i'm root
12:21<daemonkeeper>Do "su" instead of "su -" and compare differences.
12:22<daemonkeeper>Moreover: What exactly do you do in your local environment?
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12:22<jak0>why i always have traffic on my wireless network? my problem is that is connected still when i turn off all the programs. any idea??
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12:23<alexmax>daemonkeeper: this server hosts websites. however i'm also sshed-in pretty much all the time for irc. i also have grown fond of programming over ssh using vim
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12:23<daemonkeeper>So? Nothing prevents you to share a global aliases file for your non-root user and root?
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12:24<jhutchins_lt>jak0: How are you determining that there is traffic?
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12:24<jak0>the led light is always
12:24<jak0>up down up down
12:25<jak0>in very strong way
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12:26<jak0>even i try to desconect and i cant
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12:27<alexmax>in any case
12:27<alexmax>i'm going with debian gnu/linux 6.0
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12:28<alexmax>because 'i aint never scared' to compile something if i really need it
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12:28<alexmax>and this channel seems far more competant than #ubuntu and to a lesser degree #ubuntu-server
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12:28<retrospectacus>6.0 is stable
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12:29<jak0>any idea
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12:30<alexmax>retrospectacus: i am aware
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12:34<retrospectacus>ok! It sounded like you thought that was testing.
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12:34<retrospectacus>jak0: I don't see a problem
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12:34<retrospectacus>jak0: you can watch traffic on the interface with e.g. wireshark
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12:35<retrospectacus>or tcpdump in the terminal: tcpdump -ni wlan0
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12:35<retrospectacus>if your wireless is called wlan0
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12:49<eightyeight>what's the trick getting ipv6 support working? i have 'iface eth1 inet6 autoconf' in my /etc/network/interfaces file, so how to get the ipv6 on the nic? ifdown/ifup?
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12:49<eightyeight>nm. got it
12:49<eightyeight>'iface eth1 inet6 auto', not 'autoconf'
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12:54<valdyn>eightyeight: what does that do? assign an ip with no radvd server?
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12:56<retrospectacus>in my experience ipv6 "just works". Haven't tried ipv6 *only* (no v4) though
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12:57<ComradeHaz`> Section 2.3.1 explains that I need to edit that file in order to configure authentication, but on one machine on which I already have this working, the file exists but is unmodified from the fully commented example. My server deffinately requires authentication. Can anyone explain what other files might contain the appropriate
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13:15<edbian>How can I find the GID of a group? It isn't in /etc/group because of NIS logins (no I don't have access to the NIS server)
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13:20<retrospectacus>edbian: cross-reference ''ls -l'' and ''ls -ln''
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13:22<retrospectacus>edbian: that is, on files owned by the group in question
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13:31<lord_rob>ah non 42 j'avais lu 41
13:31<lord_rob>sorry wrong chan
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13:34<grummund>If i reboot to single user mode does this mount / as RO, and can i then use dd to image the whole drive to another?
13:34<valdyn>grummund: no
13:35<valdyn>grummund: you can remount ro /
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13:35<patrickh>i need some help with my disks
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13:35<patrickh>i have a machine with two identical hard disks
13:35<grummund>valdyn: ok thanks. if i do that is it then ok to use dd to create a disk image?
13:36<patrickh>but now for some reason the disks are identified as /dev/sda
13:36<patrickh>and it was pre squeeze /dev/hda
13:36<patrickh>but also and this is very strange
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13:36<patrickh>if i mount /dev/sdb1
13:36<patrickh>it maps to the same partition as /dev/sda1
13:36<patrickh>any ideas?
13:37<edbian>when I add myself to a group, do I have to restart to take effect? (I'm ssh'd into this machine)
13:37<devil>patrickh: well, hdx is gone, so sdx is ok
13:37<grummund>edbian: re-login (not restart)
13:37<patrickh>ah okay
13:37<patrickh>now only the mapping problem stays
13:37<devil>patrickh: and check /etc/fstab, something gets mapped wrong
13:38<patrickh>ow in fstab
13:38<patrickh>k i'll check
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13:39<patrickh># /etc/fstab: static file system information.
13:39<patrickh># <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
13:39<patrickh>proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
13:39<patrickh># /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
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13:39<patrickh>oops sry
13:40<ompaul>patrickh: use
13:40*ompaul looks at devil and winks
13:40<patrickh>yeah i noticed, my apologies
13:40<ompaul>patrickh: no worries
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13:41<patrickh>so the problem doesnt seem to be in fstab i think
13:41<devil>patrickh: well, how do we know, we only saw 2 lines
13:41<patrickh>i think it's more in udev
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13:41<devil>patrickh: you should for sure start using UUID
13:42<patrickh>i have
13:42<patrickh>ill paste
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13:42<devil>please do
13:42<devil>patrickh: meanwhile look at what the command blkid shows
13:44<devil>ah, you are using UUID already
13:44<patrickh>yup, the debian upgrade set it up
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13:44<patrickh>the blkid seems to show identical values for both devices
13:45<devil>patrickh: so, you mentioned sda and sdb
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13:45<edbian>I have some files that I mount using sshfs. On the server I have a different username and group then I do on the client. Thusly, the client can't edit the files. What can I do to solve this problem? Everytime a new file is created it gets my user / group on the server. I can't keep running chmod all the time.
13:45<devil>patrickh: that is not possible
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13:45<patrickh>look at my second paste
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13:45<valdyn>patrickh: thats no surprise when you cloned the partitions
13:45<patrickh>i cloned them as a backup
13:46<devil>ah, that would be an explanation
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13:46<patrickh>but then i wanted to mount the clone
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13:46<edbian>patrickh: mount it by /dev/sdX name
13:47<patrickh>err what you mean, now i mount with 'mount /dev/sdb1 <mountpoint>'
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13:48<patrickh>valdyn: so it's mnot possible to mount a cloned drive? in lenny it was no problem
13:49<valdyn>patrickh: maybe you have to change the uuid first
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13:49<edbian>patrickh: You can mount with /dev/sdb1 it is a workaround
13:49<patrickh>yes i was thinking about it
13:49<edbian>valdyn: How do you edit the UUID?
13:49<patrickh>good question
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13:50<AlexMax>oh dear
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13:50<AlexMax>would have been nice to know that debian 6 didn't have php-fpm before i installed it
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13:50<AlexMax>ah well
13:50<patrickh>valdyn nice work
13:50<patrickh>i'll try
13:51<valdyn>AlexMax: oh noes
13:51<retrospectacus>it's the tune2fs command to edit the UUID iirc
13:52<devil>retrospectacus: yeah, uuidgen just generates a uuid
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13:52<patrickh>retro: yes, i already got it from valdyn
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13:53<patrickh>oh darn need to edit grub as well
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13:53<retrospectacus>ah k sorry I didn't read the link
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13:55<AlexMax>valdyn: i don't really mind compiling from source but writing initscripts is a pita
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13:55<AlexMax>plus debian/ubuntu usually has nice config defaults
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13:55<AlexMax>but for the first problem that's why `supervisor` exists
13:56<kop>AlexMax: Check out /usr/share/doc/insserv for initscript stubs. (IIRC)
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13:58<AlexMax>kop: supervisor is still easier imho
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14:02<jimbo>how do i get skype on ubuntu
14:03<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
14:03<devil>jimbo: but look at their website
14:03<devil>skype website
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14:04<patrickh>okay the partitions have a different uuid now, but still /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 point to the same partition
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14:05<patrickh>output of blikid:
14:06<patrickh>i meant blkid
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14:07<AlexMax>How id php from debian different than upstream?
14:09<retrospectacus>patrickh: you may have to reboot or reload udev (?) to regenerate the links in /dev
14:09<patrickh>i rebooted
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14:10<patrickh>btw what does the LABEL="/" mean in blkid?
14:11<towo`>your root-partition
14:11<patrickh>yes i understand, but why does it show the label at /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sda1?
14:11<retrospectacus>it's just a label you can set to whatever
14:11<patrickh>ah okay
14:11<patrickh>so it isnt the problem
14:13<retrospectacus>I would also re-label the sd*5 ...but I doubt that is the problem
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14:25<debian_newbie>hello, can someone help me, pls ?
14:26<terion23>!anyone debian_newbie
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14:26<terion23>!tell anyone debian_newbie
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14:27<debian_newbie>I have installed debian testing and maybe some codecs are missing because when I play a movie in VLC, jsut for a second is picture on, then disappear, just sound... :-(
14:27<terion23>Does the totem out of the box player work?
14:27<debian_newbie>I have installed many codecs already but I don't know what' up
14:28<terion23>What kind of format is the movie?
14:28<debian_newbie>I see I don't have totem installed :P Well, mostly dovx, xvid etc.
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14:29<debian_newbie>Shall I install the totem player? ^^
14:29<terion23>Im not saying that.
14:29<terion23>But what format is the movie itself?
14:29<debian_newbie>ovie format - .avi - DivX
14:29<towo`>and btw, testing is not a topic of this channel
14:30<debian_newbie>towo: sorry I am a newbie ;)
14:30<AlexMax>towo`: out of curiosity is there a testing channel?
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14:30<towo`>AlexMax, there is #debian-next
14:30<daemonkeeper>I think we got it now :)
14:30<AlexMax>daemonkeeper wins the prize
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14:31<debian_newbie>Ok, I'm gonna move to debian-next. Bye.
14:31*daemonkeeper feels honored
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14:40<AlexMax>nginx only has one package in stable
14:40<patrickh>valdyn and retrospectatus: thanks guys i finally figured it out
14:40<AlexMax>and it doesn't include uwsgi support compiled in
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14:40<AlexMax>i'm having to compile damn near everything for debian
14:41<patrickh>what hapened was dd'ed a drive and made a clone which got the same UUID as the source
14:41<patrickh>from there on everything went wrong
14:41<patrickh>now i assigned a new UUID to one of the partitions
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14:41<patrickh>i also had to update grub and fstab
14:42<patrickh>and now it's working
14:42<patrickh>so thanks for the help
14:42<retrospectacus>!congratulate patrickh
14:42<dpkg>Nice one patrickh, you did it!
14:42<AlexMax>part of the reason i went with debian is because it's 'stable' and secure
14:42<patrickh>it's just really cool how you helped me out
14:42<AlexMax>however i don't think compiling most of my packages is very secure
14:42<patrickh>a big bow
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14:43<AlexMax>since I have to keep them upgraded
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14:44<devil>AlexMax: debian has ~ 30.000 packages
14:44<devil>why would someone compile most his packages?
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14:44<jhutchins_lt>AlexMax: A lot of us find the stable versions quite adequate. Compiling isn't a security risk though.
14:45<AlexMax>nginx is missing uwsgi and php5 is missing php5-fpm
14:45<jhutchins_lt>AlexMax: Running packages that nobody else has tested has it's risks.
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14:46<AlexMax>so is running compiled code straight from upstream
14:46<AlexMax>without the nice defaults that debian gives you
14:47<AlexMax>and a set of sane compile flags
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14:48<AlexMax>someone else has already done all the 'oh this combination of features is dangerous, we dont need to enable it' and 'oh my you seem to be running an insecure version here let me update that for you'
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14:50<And1>Hi folks. 'dpkg -l' prints "pi linux-image-2.6.39-1-amd64 2.6.39-1+b1 Linux 2.6.39 for 64-bit PCs" -- how can I change the "pi" to "ii"?
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14:52<retrospectacus>!tell AlexMax about package recompile
14:52<retrospectacus>AlexMax: that may be a better solution
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14:52<grummund>How do i put a system into single user mode with only / mounted ro ?
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14:53<weasel>why not simply boot with init=/bin/sh
14:54<grummund>weasel: if that works then i'm happy with that
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14:55*grummund was doing "telinit s" and "mount -no remount,ro ..." etc. but not achieving much ;-)
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15:12<grummund>hmm, how do i check if partition is mounted ro? mount says something about /etc/mtab not being writeable and that printed results may not be valid
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15:14<mjt>grummund: /proc/mounts
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15:19<grummund>cat /proc/mounts says: rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0
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15:20<grummund>it does not change after: mount -no remount,ro /
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15:24<casa>tem alguem asi
15:25<retrospectacus>English only here.
15:25<cthuluh>else ask #debian-br
15:25<casa>no english
15:25<cthuluh>grummund: awk comes to mind
15:25<cthuluh>!br > casa
15:25<dpkg>> casa: Este canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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15:26<grummund>cthuluh: huh?
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15:27<grummund>cthuluh: i was trying to remount / as ro, but /proc/mounts shows it as rw still
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15:28<cthuluh>awk -v part="$foo7" 'BEGIN { m = 1 } part == $1 && match($4, /^ro,|,ro,|ro$/) { m = 0 } END { exit m }' /proc/mounts
15:28<cthuluh>grummund: ^
15:28<cthuluh>there might be shorter ways to write it but I think it's clear like that
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15:29<astraljava>Hello all, does anyone have any idea why netinst installer cannot mount a usb flash drive for firmware installation? main-menu just says: "mount: mounting /dev/sdc on /media failed: invalid argument" It's an ext3 partition, and I notice that the system mounts the device on /dev/sdc
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15:29<grummund>cthuluh: sorry i'm lost on the principle of how awk can cause the / partition to be remounted read-only
15:30<grummund>cthuluh: (which, btw i am sure is not what you meant, but still... no understandie)
15:30<cthuluh>ah. hmmm. sorry, I thought you just wanted to know whether a partition was mounted read-only 8)
15:30<grummund>cthuluh: i can see that just with cat /proc/mounts
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15:31<grummund>but it stays rw even after mount -no remount,ro /
15:31<cthuluh>ok but I thought you wanted to automate this
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15:31<cthuluh>but, that's a bit normal, no?
15:31<cthuluh>since you remount it read-only, /etc/mtab can't be rewritten
15:31<grummund>is it? i dunno...
15:32<cthuluh>you could ln -s /proc/mounts, if you want
15:32<grummund>hmm, i thought that was the point in looking at /proc/mounts
15:32<cthuluh>*ed to
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15:33<grummund>cthuluh: sorry, you lost me again... ;)
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15:33<cthuluh>ln -sf /proc/mounts /etc/mtab
15:33<cthuluh>several distros use that on read-only / file systems
15:34<grummund>i'm not sure how that helps
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15:34<cthuluh>of course, you need / to be mounted rw to execute that command
15:35<cthuluh>anyway, seems like nothing can help you tonight
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15:37<grummund>yeah, i can manage to type random commands without assistance... thanks anyway.
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15:39<cthuluh>grummund: oh. I'm really sorry. if you have another question I can try to answer it properly. I would be very pleased to do so
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16:09<cognac-gamma>i would like to pose a question, if this is the right forum for that..
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16:09<devil>cognac-gamma: why not just ask?
16:10<retrospectacus>questions must be about debian. Just ask.
16:11<cognac-gamma>how do i get rid of ubuntu 11.04 with encrypted home folder and install instead debian 6 on the side of windows? I just delete the ubuntu partitions with gparted?
16:12<cognac-gamma>this is a laptop
16:12<ompaul>cognac-gamma: if you mean can you replace one with the other the answer is yes - if they are all installed on separate partitions
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16:13<retrospectacus>yes just start installing debian and install overtop of ubuntu. Format the partitions during the install
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16:13<retrospectacus>no need for gparted unless you want to do some resizing or such
16:14<cognac-gamma>regardless do encryted home folders? no need to resize
16:14<cognac-gamma>thanks for all of your help
16:14<retrospectacus>that will be formatted. If you are wanting to use the *same* encrypted partition you might be able to, not sure
16:15<cognac-gamma>ok. I have the passphrase but i won't even need that?
16:15<ompaul>cognac-gamma: what is the partitions name? /dev/sd??
16:15<retrospectacus>only if you want the data
16:16<cognac-gamma>no need for the data
16:16<retrospectacus>cognac-gamma: during the disk partition step in the installer, just delete the encrypted partition and make a new one
16:17<ompaul>sda all or part?
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16:18<ompaul>cognac-gamma: it is kind of important that we discover if it is sda1 or sda or some part of sda because I can give you a command to kill the partition but it will kill the drive if you point it at sda and then all you have to do is install debian on that disk
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16:19<ompaul>cognac-gamma: just install it and point it at the partition owned by ubuntu
16:19<ompaul>with formatting
16:19<ompaul>cognac-gamma: you could do from withing ubuntu "fdisk -l" and that would let us give you more advice
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16:20<ompaul>cognac-gamma: you may wish / need to use sudo with that
16:20<ompaul>cognac-gamma: please keep to channel
16:20<cognac-gamma>just done it
16:20<cognac-gamma>where to past it?
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16:24<ompaul>cognac-gamma: so you fire up the installer and point it at partition 4 if you call it extended you can put in there more than one partition but if you don't you can't and that is problematic as you would not have a swap and that is a whole other world of hurt
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16:27<cognac-gamma>so just go with the installer?
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16:27<retrospectacus>!tell cognac-gamma about ig
16:28<retrospectacus>cognac-gamma: the irc robot "dpkg" just told you about the install guide
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16:28<cognac-gamma>ok thanks a lot
16:29<cognac-gamma>see you soon from debian
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16:30<Howl>oops, wrong window
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16:35<devil>won one.
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16:59<jak0>why i can not diconect from the AP that i associate when i install squeeze??
17:01<jak0>how can i do it..?
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17:01<jhutchins_lt>jak0: ifdown wlan0?
17:01<retrospectacus>jak0: you can, of course. Connect to a different SSID or "disable radio"
17:01<jak0>i just can not
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17:02<retrospectacus>jak0: what have you tried and how did it "not work"
17:02<jak0>its like working or some like on a active process
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17:03<retrospectacus>... what is your native language?
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17:05<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:06<retrospectacus>well you can ask in the Spanish channel, #debian-es, or try to answer my question so I can understand
17:06<jak0>ok thx
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17:08<jak0>the problem is i have installated debian on my computer, i use to install ubuntu on my old computer, thats why i have that problem
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17:09<jak0>mybe its because i have the network-manager removed
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17:10<jhutchins_lt>!doesn't work
17:10<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
17:10<jak0>sorry for my bad english
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17:11<jhutchins_lt>jak0: No problem with your english, but you're not giving us any information that would let us help you.
17:11<streuner>jak0: its a known problem, so dont bother :-P
17:13<streuner>dpkg, listkeys wireless
17:13<dpkg>Factoid search of 'wireless' by key (15): wireless connection managers ;; compat-wireless ;; wireless-testing ;; wireless-more ;; wireless help ;; whats my wireless ;; wireless lan ;; #debian wireless ;; wireless connection manager ;; wireless-tools ;; wireless ;; wireless tree ;; _default wireless ;; what's my wireless ;; wireless howto.
17:13<streuner>dpkg, wireless howto
17:13<dpkg>The Linux Wireless LAN HOWTO is at . Additional resources and links to related information/websites is also available. See also and . Related: <wireless-tools>, <adhoc>, <hostapd>, <rfkill>.
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17:14<streuner>jak0: just read d
17:15<Blizzardo1>and bai
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17:41<ComradeHaz`> Section 2.3.1 explains that I need to edit that file in order to configure authentication, but on one machine on which I already have this working, the file exists but is unmodified from the fully commented example. My server deffinately requires authentication. Anyone know what other files might contain the appropriate info?
17:42<petemc>exim -bV
17:42<petemc>which config file are you using?
17:43<ComradeHaz`>well, that's kind of what I'm asking
17:43<petemc>run that command and it will tell you
17:43<petemc>then you can tell me
17:43<ComradeHaz`>sorry, yeah
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17:44<ComradeHaz`>So, it's using /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated
17:45<petemc>and which file are you looking in for the authentication configuration?
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17:47<ComradeHaz`>But oddly, it's not in either of those
17:47<petemc>thats for exim authenticating to another server
17:47<ComradeHaz`>that is what I require
17:47<ComradeHaz`>smarthost or whatever it calls it
17:48<petemc>you want exim to authentication against another machine to relay its mail through it?
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17:48<ComradeHaz`>Yes, I think so.
17:49<ComradeHaz`>I want to use the smtp server of a remote machine to send the mail
17:49<ComradeHaz`>I think
17:49<ComradeHaz`>perhaps I don't
17:49<ComradeHaz`>All I really care is that root emails end up in my inbox
17:49<ComradeHaz`>Exactly how is of less concern
17:50<kop>ComradeHaz`: Is the box your desktop?
17:50<ComradeHaz`>Would you advocate another method
17:50<kop>ComradeHaz`: And is the inbox on the same box?
17:50<ComradeHaz`>home server and no
17:50<ComradeHaz`>inbox is remote mail server
17:51<kop>ComradeHaz`: If you have the typical U.S. consumer grade internet connection then your isp probably blocks outbound smtp to anywhere but their mail relay. So you do need to do as you propose.
17:51<kop>ComradeHaz`: The question being, how does your isp authenticate?
17:51<kop>ComradeHaz`: Or does it need authentication at all?
17:51<ComradeHaz`>I am non-us, my ISP do not, I can use 587 anyway.
17:52<ComradeHaz`>It is my own mail server, it requires authentication
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17:52<kop>ComradeHaz`: Ok. So why do you think you need to authenticate?
17:52<ComradeHaz`>where 'my own' means my friends
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17:53<ComradeHaz`>because he has told me I do, and I always do for smtp...
17:53<ComradeHaz`>so unless this is a special case...?
17:53<kop>ComradeHaz`: It requires authentication for inbound mail or to pick up mail out of the mailbox? Probably not for inbound mail, but you may need to pass some sort of validity testing for anti-spam.
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17:53<ComradeHaz`>kop both
17:53<kop>ComradeHaz`: How then do you get mail from say, me, on that box. My mail server surely does not authenticate.
17:54<ComradeHaz`>same details, different ports
17:54<ComradeHaz`>No, but am I not asking to connect to the smtp server?
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17:54<ComradeHaz`>as though I was sending the mail from my mail server?
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17:56<kop>ComradeHaz`: Ok. Port 587 is the submission port that will let your friends box relay mail from your box to anywhere. If all you want is to get mail delivered to your friends box you should be able to talk on 25 (smtp) and deliver mail there.
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17:56<kop>ComradeHaz`: So, submission is nice to have but not essential for what you want, assuming you pick up your mail from your friends box.
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17:57<kop>ComradeHaz`: You could try "telnet 25" and see if you can talk smtp to it directly.
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17:57<kop>ComradeHaz`: Or you can go all the way and authenticate and do 587.
17:57<ComradeHaz`>I suspect one of us is missunderstanding the other.
17:58<kop>ComradeHaz`: You want your friends box to relay to elsewhere, or just accept delivery to mail directed to that box?
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17:58<ComradeHaz`>Let's start at the beginning. Can my (let's call it) local machine sed mail 'directly' such that I can configure it to mail anybody without using another machine as an smtp?
17:58<kop>ComradeHaz`: (Your root mail being directed elsewhere, either your friends box or the world via your friends box.)
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17:59<kop>ComradeHaz`: Yes. But depending on your isp and it's config you may wind up looking like spam and be rejected by some boxes on the net.
17:59<kop>ComradeHaz`: So it's nice to have a box that will relay mail for you.
18:00<ComradeHaz`>I see, that may be OK. I am only looking to forward root mail to myself
18:00<ComradeHaz`>But let's explore further...
18:00<kop>ComradeHaz`: Dead easy way is to smarthost/relay to your isp's MTA (mail transfer agent) who will then deliver to the rest of the world.
18:00<ComradeHaz`>The alternative, then, is what I was discucssing before, presumably. Connecting to an SMTP server and sending from there?
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18:01<ComradeHaz`>I do not have a mail account with my ISP
18:01<kop>ComradeHaz`: Yes, either via smtp, or submission or lmtp or smtp over ssl, etc.
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18:02<kop>ComradeHaz`: You don't need an inbound mail account, you just need the address of their smtp server. It's presumeably configured to reconize you as a customer and relay for you. (or the name of the ISPs MTA server.)
18:02<ComradeHaz`>I see. I think that is what I want. Where would the configuration details for such settings be stored?
18:03<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, I guess I could do that. Would rather connect directly to my own (my friends) SMTP server if possible, though.
18:03<kop>ComradeHaz`: Usually in the MX records of the isp's dns servers. Type: dig mx to list them. (via the bind-utils ?? package)
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18:03<kop>ComradeHaz`: (I like postfix over exim myself. YMMV.)
18:04<ComradeHaz`>Maybe I should wait for my friend to return from his wine-tasting or whatever tf he's up to tongiht xD
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18:08<ComradeHaz`>Thanks, though, I think I get some of what you're saying and will try with that in mind
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18:10<sunfizz98>is there a way to make the background for my thunar manager dark
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18:44<nyov>how do I run a program with commandline-options in gdb?
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18:47<nyov>seems I don't know how to escape a doube-dash argument from gdb
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18:49<nyov>oh I'm blind. got it
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19:16<lee-0>could someone help me with find a regular expression that does match "mail\.misc\..*" but does not match "mail\.misc\.thistext"?
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19:17<lee-0>I think there´s a regexp editor in Debian, though I can´t remember how it´s called ...
19:19<retrospectacus>one way is to pipeline greps: whatever | grep 'mail\.misc\..*' | grep -v thistext
19:20<retrospectacus>-v being "print non-matching lines"
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19:21<lee-0>retrospectacus: I need it to specify gnus-parameters with emacs, so using some piping isn´t really an option
19:22<retrospectacus>ouch, emacs. Never touch it
19:22<lee-0>retrospectacus: Well, I like it a lot :)
19:22<retrospectacus>I imagine it has its own channel :)
19:22<dpkg>Emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] #emacs on
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19:23<lee-0>Yes, and I won´t go to freenode.
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19:23<lee-0>there´s #emacs with only 2 ppl in it on this server, one of them is me ...
19:24<retrospectacus>err.. well, good luck then..
19:24<lee-0>retrospectacus: well, thanks :)
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19:28<lee-0>retrospectacus: "mail.misc\\.[^(thistext)]" --- thanks to the regexp builder in emacs and
19:29<retrospectacus>that looks about right but I didn't want to guess
19:29<lee-0>retrospectacus: :)
19:29<retrospectacus>:) nice work
19:30<lee-0>retrospectacus: hm, not yet, it seems
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19:31<lee-0>... because it also matches the first letter behind "mail\\.misc\\." as well
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19:33<retrospectacus>lee-0: it looks like you have too many \
19:33<lee-0>retrospectacus: the double backslash makes the dot literal in this case
19:34<retrospectacus>you probably want "mail\.misc\.[^(thistext)]"
19:34<vook>I'm having trouble with ganglia - it's overloading syslog, users, and messages with errors. Anyone know how to disable logging in ganglia ?
19:34<retrospectacus>^^ that means literal . in every regex I've used
19:34<retrospectacus>not \\. - that is a literal \ followed by any character
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19:35<retrospectacus>vook: no idea what ganglia is but probably in approx. /etc/ganglia* or /etc/default/ganglia*
19:36<retrospectacus>vook: you can also fine tune your syslogd though its config file in /etc
19:37<lee-0>retrospectacus: Hm, I´m not sure; I guess it must have to do with elisp convetions.
19:37<vook>does rsyslog.conf control all system logging ?
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19:46<scinl>Greetings all!
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19:48<riley>yo- i am runnning debian
19:48<riley>but i need to do stuff with a Microsoft SQL Server
19:48<riley>what is the best way to do that?
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19:49<riley>i don't think there is a linux version of SQL Management Studio
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19:50<riley>yo yo yo- also, is there a way to use microsoft outlook on linux?
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19:53<nevyn>riley: virtualisation or citrix.
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19:55<xuser>lame troll
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19:59<chl501>what kind of voip client is popular in GNU/ Linux (most of people use it and has better quality in sound), in addition to Skype, which has been acquired by Microsoft?
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20:00<nevyn>spelling's probably broken tho
20:00<dpkg>Voice over IP (VoIP) is a series of technologies and protocols, for delivery of voice communications / multimedia sessions over <IP> networks. #debian-voip on
20:01<nevyn>chl501: so it depends. if you want the ability to integrate with real telephony or not.
20:01<nevyn>chl501: if you want to be able to call normal telephones then SIP is the protocol of choice and there are many clients commercial providers software pbx's etc
20:02<nevyn>chl501: if you want higher fideltiy audio than traditional telephony then mumble would be worth investigating.
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20:04<chl501>nevyn: is there any open source/ freesoftware which support real telephony, in addition to commercial software? Or only commercial would be available because only e.g. commercial can offer that service?
20:05<nevyn>chl501: so there are free sip servers (asterisk/freeswitch) but you need hardware that supports terminating a physical phone line
20:05<chl501>nevyn: I see. thank you. : )
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20:07<nevyn>so you need a phone number and a phone service somehow. to connect to the phone network. you can get this over the internet from vendors for cheap. or you can build it using a real phoneline for moremoney
20:07<nevyn>and you can have multiple internet providers at once and least cost route calls and stuff with asterisk if you really want
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20:52<bis0n>salut all
20:52<retrospectacus>hi bis0n
20:53<bis0n>I'm searching an good handled computer on linux for inventory, for one client
20:54<bis0n>do you think can install an linux on an windows CE based terminal... like MC9090 symbol
20:54<retrospectacus>handled = hand-held ?
20:54<bis0n>yes sorry
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20:55<bis0n>on specifications symbol say "Operating System: Microsoft Windows Embedded CE. NET or Windows Mobile 2003 with Pocket PC Phone Edition"
20:56<bis0n>the "or" word suggests to me that a Linux installation might be possible
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20:59<nevyn>bis0n: driver support is going to be .. horror.
21:00<bis0n>oh... yes I had not thought of, for sure
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21:01<jernux>I have a fairly fresh install of stable-6.0.1-Gnome, and now System>Preferences>Appearance won't open.
21:01<bis0n>win CE based beurk... but I will make with...
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21:15<nevyn>windows mobile 2003 is less aweful than wince
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21:30<dallas>I was wondering if someone could explain Debian, in comparison to Ubuntu for me. I've used Ubuntu for quite a while, and a friend told me to give Debian a try as it is a "bit more advanced".
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21:31<CcSsNET>dallas, debian is what ubuntu was built from
21:31<CcSsNET>ubuntu is preconfigured no opinion required
21:31<quant>dallas, debian does a bit less hand holding too
21:31<CcSsNET>debian is more configurable
21:32<CcSsNET>but has similar defaults if you dont specify any changes
21:32<CcSsNET>and just yes everything
21:33<quant>but it's easier to get running than you think, probably... see this:
21:35<dallas>It's not as complicated to set up as Arch is is it?
21:35<quant>not nearly
21:35<CcSsNET>arch = requires knowledge
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21:37<CcSsNET>debian is great for learning
21:38<quant>I can confirm that, I've learned the most while using debian (came from ubuntu, not counting slackware episodes in 90's :)
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21:38<CcSsNET>i use sourcemage now a days but still love debian for stability and tests
21:39<dallas>Awesome :D Learning is pretty much my goal.
21:39<CcSsNET>debian to sourcemage is a good learning path
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21:40<CcSsNET>i still cant get over some of the default configs and dependancies debian and ubuntu use
21:41<quant>CcSsNET, spells and dispells... being a WoW addict (former?), I like this ;-)
21:41<CcSsNET>so sourcemage helped me fix the issue
21:41<CcSsNET>no never played WoW
21:41<CcSsNET>for more about me
21:43<quant>CcSsNET, come to #debian-offtopic, if you want
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21:45<EmleyMoor>Still no Flash update for amd64 it seems...
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21:46<quant>EmleyMoor, you mean in the repos?
21:46<EmleyMoor>quant: I mean at all
21:46<quant>EmleyMoor, did you check adobe's site and tried to manually install it?
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21:47<EmleyMoor>I run update-flashplugin-nonfree regularly - no change for months - will check the web site but I suspect we're still forgotten
21:48<quant>EmleyMoor, they have frequent updates on the adobe site, just put the plugin in the directory and that's it
21:48<quant>EmleyMoor, not so frequent for 64 bit, though :)
21:48<EmleyMoor>Er... quite!
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21:49<quant>run 32 bit... (debian)
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21:50<riley_>hey- how do i upgrade django on debian lenny
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21:50<EmleyMoor>Last update for 64 bit: November
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21:50<quant>EmleyMoor, gnash is ok for youtube, if that's all that you need
21:51<EmleyMoor>quant: I need far more than youtube
21:51<quant>EmleyMoor, 32 bit os then, if you can
21:52<EmleyMoor>quant: I'm 64-bit committed on this machine
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21:54<th>i gave up trying to have a "proper" flash player in debian, in the end i just installed flash player on windows xp on virtualbox
21:55<th>youtube-dl package can satisfy my need of cat video from youtube
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21:56<EmleyMoor>I'm planning some things like that that might help
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21:57<kop>For youtube there's also firefox 4 and html 5.
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23:17<tony>does anyone know how to fix this problem my internet videos are all choppy
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23:41<Silicium01>Hey guys, if anyone is interested in giving me some general advice regarding users. permissions and backups, I'd really appreciate it.
23:43<Silicium01>I have a VPS server that I would like to backup periodically. I want to do it automatically so I've setup some scripts that run there and create mysql dumps, svn dumps etc. Now I want to create a cronjob on backup server and rsync or rsnapshot the files over
23:43<Silicium01>I understand this would require me to create RSA passwordless authentication.
23:44<Silicium01>My question is: How do I deal with security issue of having backup server connect to my main server?
23:44<Silicium01>if my backup server becomes compromised, it will also compromise my main server's security right?
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23:50<th>er, what about making the main server do the backup
23:52<Silicium01>th, I don't know. I just am not sure how this is done properly
23:53<Silicium01>th in that case is main server is compromised, it will compromise all backup servers as well
23:53<th>oh yes
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