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---Logopened Wed Jun 15 00:00:54 2011
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00:12<ayaka>how to set jackd2 auto start ?
00:14<th>auto start on boot?
00:14<ayaka>th,yes or login ii
00:17<th>there is a file: /etc/rc.local
00:17<th>you add a line there to start jackd
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00:19<ayaka>th, but I don't need start it in tty
00:21<ayaka>th, jackd man page tell me a way, but I can't understand
00:22<th>hmmm, if you want it started in X
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00:24<th>or you can do it desktop environment specific way
00:25<th>in gnome:
00:26<th>in kde:
00:28<ayaka>th,but I want the jack way,it said $JACK_START_SERVER is defined in the environment ,how to defined ?
00:31<th>put this line: JACK_START_SERVER=1 in /etc/environment
00:33<ayaka>th,thank you
00:34<ayaka>th,I will login out to try,bye
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00:56<AlexF>hi guys! if i perform debian wheezy update on debian sqeeze anything bad will happend?
00:57<EmleyMoor>AlexF: It's a perfectly legitimate way of going from stable to testing... whether anything bad will happen, I can't say
00:58<EmleyMoor>In nautilus, is there a way to specify that a device node name should be passed to a "custom command"?
00:59<EmleyMoor>Also, one of my DVD drives is closing on its own when ejected - it's definitely doing this because of something in Debian... how do I find out why and stop it?
01:00<AlexF>EmleyMoor : thanks. i`ll try that way.
01:00<AlexF>EmleyMoor:i think something is using your command "eject"
01:00<virginia>Excuse me I have a question well I want to try installing gnome3 on my debian squeeze but I cant find to much information ... Is it possible to do that?
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01:01<EmleyMoor>AlexF: Almost obvious - but what?
01:01<AlexF>virginia: update it to debian wheezy (it`s testing) and that way you can use gnome3
01:01<Silicium01>Is there a way to trigger a gnome "notification" popup?
01:02<Silicium01>like the one that shows when you connect to network, or when next song is plaing, it's black round cornered box
01:02<Silicium01>I want to triger those for myself as reminders
01:02<EmleyMoor>I wouldn't recowwend going to testing just to get gnome3
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01:02<AlexF>EmleyMoor : idnk,maybe something in`s hard to say this
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01:03<virginia>Ok thank you ... if I bother to much just tell me ... but isn't there a repository for gnome3 ??
01:03<EmleyMoor>virginia: I don't know of gnome3 being available for squeeze
01:03<AlexF>virginia it`s not avible on sqeeze.i tryed it.only if you are wheezy (testing)
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01:04<AlexF>virginia: i don`t recommend you that way.or only in virtual box ;)
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01:06<virginia>another question chromium is not recommended for debian ?? is just that when i execute chromium my cpu gets up to 80% and freeze or could it be that it is just my computer
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01:07<Silicium01>Does anyone know?
01:07<Silicium01>At least what it's called so i can google for it :)
01:07<AlexF>virginia:maybe you are running some flash video in there.flash is pretty does all processors work heavy
01:08<AlexF>virginia:but try download google chrome .deb package from google
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01:09<virginia>that's right i thought it was just chromium, in fact I was doing that.. thank for the aclaration
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01:09<AlexF>no problem
01:10<AlexF>Silicium01 you need just small program called pop-up
01:10<AlexF>pop-up notifications
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01:11<virginia>what's that for?
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01:11<AlexF>virginia it`s not for you
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01:12<virginia>I was just asking because i got curious sorry
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01:15<AlexF>virginia always welcome ;)
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01:22<th>to display a notification box, use libnotify-bin package
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01:41<Silicium01>I have a python script that pops up a message, but it won't run via cron
01:41<Silicium01>Any ideas how to make it popup with crontab?
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02:11<scinl>Is fgetty working in Debian Wheezy at the moment?
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02:12<scinl>I tried it 30 days ago and it was broken for one reason or another.
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02:13<scinl>It should be noted that I've never had a problem with fgetty and have installed it via this method over 10 times in the past, approximately 3 times/year.
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02:37<Prathibha>hi, I have installed linux-image-2.6.32-xen package and all the other required packages for xen in debian squeeze. While booting it shows XENBUS: Unable to restore CPU state
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02:48<th>Prathibha, perhaps this page: is related to your problem
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03:21<Daniel6>I have a problem with pureftpd. When I try to connect from another machine, or even from the localhost, I get the message: Connected to ..... 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection
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03:22<Daniel6>I use standard config files, which probably need to be changed
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03:26<Daniel6>Any hint why it is doing that?
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03:57<nurio>hi! i do not know if I am right here, but maybe someone can point me in the right direction: I am trying to package a qt application using debuild and keep getting the error "dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/". I have libstdc++6 installed - building and running the application works fine.
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03:58<nurio>any hints?
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04:05<Rhonda>On debian-project mailinglist the concern was raised about this ban: *!*@* - is it known who did set this and what's the background for the general ban of the service?
04:05<Rhonda>… sorry if this question was already relayed. :)
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04:47<AlexF>hi guys! can someone help me with playstation emulator
04:47<AlexF>hi guys! can someone help me with playstation emulator?
04:48<AlexF>or converting mdf to iso/.
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04:53<smulcahy>is there a better channel to ask a packaging q then here? I'm not a debian dev, just trying to packaging some s/w in a deb
04:55<smulcahy>I'm trying to use dbconfig in my package
04:55<smulcahy>I've modified postinst to call it and it seems to be, but I see many references to config which seems to need to be modified to
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04:56<smulcahy>but doesn't mention config that I can see
04:56<smulcahy>is that dbconfig specific?
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04:58<seanius>smulcahy: have you read the dbconfig-common docs?
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05:04<Prathibha>hi, I have installed linux-image-2.6.32-xen package and all the other required packages for xen in debian squeeze. While booting it shows XENBUS: Unable to restore CPU state
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05:07<smulcahy>seanius: I have
05:07<smulcahy>seanius: a few times, I'm still figuring them out tbh
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05:08<smulcahy>seanius: nice work btw :)
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05:22<olspookishmagus>which package provides xlib?
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05:31<grummund>Hi, i managed to trash my partition table, but i have effectively a backup in a cloned drive...
05:32<grummund>i assume dd can be used to recover the partition table from one hdd to another...
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05:32<jm_>olspookishmagus: xorg is a metapackage, and whixh xlib do you need?
05:32<devil>grummund: you coulkd also use testdisk
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05:33<grummund>devil: i'm happy with dd, but i don't know what size to use to grab just tha partition table
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05:33<devil>grummund: i dont either offhand
05:34<grummund>devil: ok
05:34<grummund>any help appreciated, 'cos i'm currently without www ;-/
05:34<jm_>grummund: sfdisk -d /dev/backup
05:34<jm_>man sfdisk has an example of how to restore it
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05:36<grummund>jm_: thanks i'll take a look
05:37<grummund>actually i'm running from the backup drive, would that make a difference?
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05:40<olspookishmagus>which package provides fbconfig?
05:40<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See and ask me about <bot help>. See also <debtags>.
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05:53<Daniel8888>Hi, anyone got a knowledge of ftp, particularly pure-ftpd?
05:54<Daniel8888>I get a 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection
05:55<grove>Daniel8888: What are you trying to do?
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05:56<Daniel8888>I installed pure-ftpd with standard config files, but when I try to connect to the machine, I get the Connected to message, and then the server closes the conenction
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05:57<Daniel8888>Looks like I have some config file to modify
05:57<Daniel8888>Same error from localhost
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06:30<Lectual>I'm just about to install debain and wanted to check before I do. I am making a manual partitioning setup, as I will be dual booting with windows 7. How does a 2GB swap, 500mb /boot, 20GB /, and aroung 75GB /home sound?
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06:33<Hydroxide>Lectual: sounds like it should work
06:33<seanius>smulcahy: ok. if you have any specific questions there's a dbconfig dev list where they can be answered for posterity
06:33<Lectual>Brilliant, off to install then. See you all on the other side.
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06:34<seanius>Lectual: i'd shrink the swap and grow the boot a bit
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06:36<smulcahy>seanius: ok, thanks, just looking at it's archives now
06:36<smulcahy>seanius: is it preferable to ask a question there than here?
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06:38<seanius>smulcahy: i'd say so, because then the next person with the prob might find the answer by googling etc
06:39<seanius>also, if it's involved, it might take more time to answer than i have right now since i'm at work
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06:39<smulcahy>ok, kewl. will mail there so, thanks again.
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07:06<Darien-LT>Hello there, I'm currently installing Debian, but it does not recognise my hardrive. It brings up a huge list of drivers, how do I know which is right for my HDD. I am using the Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB.
07:06<rata>k eres un putoooo
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07:08<jm_>Darien-LT: give us controller's PCI ID
07:08<jm_>lspci -n
07:08<Darien-LT>jm_: How do I find it?
07:09<jm_>Darien-LT: see one line above your question
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07:09<Darien-LT>I understand, and I am using the GUI installer, how do I type it in? Will alt f2 change to console?
07:10<jm_>yup, alt-f2 and run lspci there
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07:11<jm_>or ctrl-alt-f2 if it's X - I forgot what GUI installer uses
07:11<Darien-LT>Neither works for some reason. Would the "execute a shell" command work from the gui menu?
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07:13<Darien-LT>I used the execute a shell from the menu, and typed in the command, now how do I tell which is my harddrive?
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07:15<Darien-LT>jm_: it has returned mostly numbers but some letters in a list. How do I tell which is my HDD?
07:15<jm_>Darien-LT: bah sorry, lspci -nn
07:17<Darien-LT>jm_: Okay, am I looking at the SMBus, IDE interface?
07:18<jm_>Darien-LT: IDE/SATA most likely
07:18<Darien-LT>I believe I have found it
07:20<Darien-LT>IDE interface [0101] Marvell Technology Group LTD Device [1b4b:91a3] (rev 11)
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07:20<jm_>judd pciid 1b4b:91a3
07:20<judd>[1b4b:91a3] is 'Unknown device' from 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'ahci' in sid. See also
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07:21<jm_>hah, use kmuto 2.6.38 installer
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07:21<Darien-LT>How does that work?
07:22<jm_>use that ISo image to install debian
07:22<jm_>but it's only available for AMD64 hmm
07:22<Darien-LT>I am running 64bit
07:22<Darien-LT>No problem :)
07:22<Darien-LT>Honestly, thank you so much for your help.
07:23<jm_>no worries
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07:25<Darien-LT>I couldn't install fedora for the same reason, but their community is very unhelpful in comparison.
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07:25<Darien-LT>I am happy I switched to Debian
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07:27<Darien-LT>Just to confirm, the one I want is amd64-0614? Not amd64-0607? The later is older right?
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07:29<jm_>let me see
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07:29<jm_>bleh too late
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07:31<Guest4678>hello everyone
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07:43<Darien-LT>I'm back, and no luck, the edited debian .iso still doesn't detect my hardrive
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07:47<jm_>Darien-LT: ahh crap, it seems sid has 2.6.39
07:49<jm_>sorry I forgot about this
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07:49<Darien-LT>sid? 2.6.39?
07:49<Darien-LT>I'm slightly confused?
07:50<jm_><judd> [1b4b:91a3] is 'Unknown device' from 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'ahci' in sid.
07:50<jm_>but that kmuto image has 2.6.38 kernel
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07:51<Darien-LT>What does that mean?
07:51<Darien-LT>It won't work?
07:51<jm_>looks like it yes
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07:51<Darien-LT>Is there anything I can do?
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07:53<jm_>if it was me I'd build a custom kernel
07:53<Darien-LT>How long would that take to do? Bearing in mind I'm a relatively new linux user
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07:54<jm_>then it's probably not worth spending effort on, in general it's not too hard since you should have old kernel config
07:55<Darien-LT>That's a large shame, I truly would have liked to use Debian. Thanks for all of your help, I understand it isn't your fault
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07:56<jm_>have you tried looking in BIOS to see if you can change controller's mode to legacy?
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07:56<Darien-LT>I'll do that now
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07:58<Darien-LT>I'm in my Bios, Under storage config
07:58<Darien-LT>I have found a legacy setting
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07:59<Darien-LT>Fingers crossed
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08:01<Darien-LT>Also, I wanted to ask, A domain name, do I need my or something? Or can I leave it blank, it is a home network
08:02<Zaba>you can leave it blank
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08:04<Darien-LT>jm_: Unfortunately, legacy mode doesn't work, but there were other settings there that may hope I think
08:05<Darien-LT>I can "Configure SATA as IDE, RAID, or AHCI"
08:05<jm_>try to use as IDE
08:05<Darien-LT>It was configured as IDE, so I'll try AHCI then raid
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08:07<jm_>interesting, i'd assume it would be detected in IDE mode
08:07<Darien-LT>It wasn't detected in IDE and legacy
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08:07<Darien-LT>Which is odd.
08:08<jm_>what kind of system is this?
08:08<Darien-LT>It's a SATA III drive if that makes a difference
08:08<Darien-LT>It's a desktop, custom built
08:08<jm_>which motherboard?
08:08<Darien-LT>Asus P6x58-e Or something similar
08:09<Darien-LT>LGA 1366
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08:09<jm_>it says it has Intel ICH10R controller and Marvell® 9128 PCIe SATA 6Gb/s controller
08:09<jm_>hooking it via intel controller should work until you have a kernel that supports marvell one
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08:10<Darien-LT>P6X58D-E is my motherboard
08:10<jm_>yup found it
08:10<Darien-LT>That is done via bios right?
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08:10<jm_>no, it's physical connection - you need to use a different sata port on the motherboard
08:11<Darien-LT>That'll be interesting
08:11<Darien-LT>I'll give it a go
08:11<jm_>ahh specs say marvell ports are grey, so simply use the other coloured ones
08:12<jm_>pictures show blue ones too
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08:14<Darien-LT>Yep, I see
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08:15<Darien-LT>Just need to get scissors to cut some cable ties, It was all so nice and cable-managed ;)
08:16<jm_>maybe leave that in place and use another cable if you have one
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08:16<Darien-LT>Alas, I don't, I can always add a new cable tie though
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08:18<An_Ony_Moose>what's the channel for sid again?
08:18<jm_>An_Ony_Moose: topic mentions it
08:19<An_Ony_Moose>jm_: I thought so, but I can't read the full topic because it's too long
08:19<An_Ony_Moose>oh wait
08:20<An_Ony_Moose>thanks xP
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08:20<ozzonn>hey guys, got some issue on kFreeBSD with repartitioning
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08:22<Darien-LT>It is now switched to the blue sata port, to to plug everything back in, also it was a single cable tie and it honestly isn't bad at all, it only required around 2cm of stretch
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08:22<Darien-LT>Now to plug everything back in'
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08:29<Darien-LT>I'm rebooting now, and will see if my HDD is picked up now
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08:32<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead.
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08:34<Darien-LT>jm_: Thank you so much for all of your help. I really owe you. It detected my disk
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08:45<Darien-LT>jm_: I have a question now. Fedora now too recognises my HDD. Now I don't know which distro to choose. Could you help me out?
08:46<jm_>Darien-LT: no, you need to decide, I use Debian since 1.3 release - any answer here would be use debian :)
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08:47<Darien-LT>What made you choose it? As a relative linux newbie, I don't quite understand features that I should, and so I wonder what makes this OS better than Fedora for example? There must be a reason why you use this instead
08:47<jm_>Darien-LT: I would summarise it like this - if you want to get newer software faster, use fedora, but if you want stability and larger package archive use debian
08:48<jm_>easy upgrades, large package archive, the fact that it lagged other distributions in switching to ELF binaries which didn't work on my system at the time due to hardware problems :)
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08:48<jm_>!why debian
08:48<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also (archived at . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
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08:49<Darien-LT>I'm going to stay with Debian then.
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08:49<ian-dp> I'm confused how I should set the permissions for files on a new server. I uploaded the old site with a user I created. The files belong to that user and the user's individual group. Now I can't seem to get permissions right so I can eg do uploads from wordpress. Any suggestions? Do I need to changeowner to root?
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08:49<jm_>actually that last one is a lie - i use slackware for that before i switched to debian (it was slack that lagged)
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08:50<Darien-LT>jm_: I would like to know however, once I am familiar with Debian, how hard the transition to other Distros is? I plan to become very familiar with Linux in general through Debian
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08:51<jm_>Darien-LT: should be easy once you know debian really well - some commands will differ, but in general it's very similar (some distributions embrace new things faster, so you'll need to learn somethign new in the process)
08:52<ian-dp>an alternative - is it wrong to have my user be in the root group?
08:52<Darien-LT>Excellent, Debian it is!
08:55<Darien-LT>jm_: How does a 2GB Swap, 500mb /boot, 20GB /, and around 75GB /home sound?
08:55<jm_>Darien-LT: 500MB /boot is overkill, the rest is probably OK
08:55<Darien-LT>Around 250mb boot is fine?
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08:56<jm_>you need about 15MB per installed kernel image in /boot
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08:57<Darien-LT>I'm dual booting with windows 7.
08:57<jm_>so for a typical user 250MB is still too much
08:57<jm_>that doesn't matter - it's only a few lines in boot loader config file
08:57<jm_>ok I need to run now, someone else will help you
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09:06<catsup>500MB /boot is fine, what is this 1980
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09:07<catsup>that's only like 20-30 kernels
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09:07<mdupont>yeah, now have debian sid installed- :D
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09:08<gnugr>ian-dp: with " ls -lh /var/www/wordpress " you can see rights, if you want to change them use " chmod ug+rwx /var/www/wordpress "
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09:09<MrFrood>catsup: you are way out on dates my 286 laptop from 1988 only had a 20mb hd as standard
09:09<ian-dp>thanks! I think it is a user problem though, because they are owned by my user and the php/apache user cannot run them
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09:09<ian-dp>*group problem I mean. I can set to 777, but that seems risky
09:09<ian-dp>I am now tryign to add myself and the server to the same grou
09:10<catsup>MrFrood: it's hyperbole
09:10<ian-dp>any idea how to find the server user group?
09:11<gnugr>ian-dp: setup your settings with 777 but then you must change them to atleast 775 ( better 644)
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09:12<bobi1024>I have a question
09:12<bobi1024>from where I can download the following packages - libudev-dev_167-3_amd64.deb and udev_167-3_amd64.deb
09:13*gnugr waves MrFrood
09:13<bobi1024>i have problems with the keyboard after update of the udev on debian wheezy
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09:13<bobi1024>and after some research on the web
09:13*MrFrood flaps
09:13<bobi1024>I think this could solve my problem
09:13<bobi1024>anyone ?
09:15<MrFrood>bobi1024: try asking in #debian-next for wheezy/sid support
09:16<bobi1024>Thank you
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09:18<gnugr>judd: file libudev-dev
09:18<judd>libudev-dev in squeeze/i386: libudev-dev: usr/share/doc/libudev-dev
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09:26<mdupont>is there a page on setting up radeon on sid?
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09:49<huslage>hi there. i have a xen domU that's exhibiting odd network behavior. When I look at tcpdump I see: '12:22:26.130814 [|ether] ' running constantly. none of the other VMs are showing problems on this same node. I rebooted the VM for the hell of it, but that didn't solve the issue.
09:49<huslage>Any ideas?
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09:51<Silicium01>What do I need to do to gun GUI programs via cron?
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09:52<Silicium01>I have this python gtk script that will pop up a notification if I run in in CLI but it does not work with crontab
09:52<catsup>Silicium01: DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY variables
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09:53<Silicium01>catsup, this is what I have now:
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09:57<catsup>right well there's no XAUTHORITY set
09:58<catsup>it should be ~/.Xauthority or ~user/.Xauthority
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09:58<catsup>also, if it's one line, you don't need pastebin
09:59<Silicium01>catsup, I have bno such file in my home dir
09:59<catsup>it's normally created by the xinit scripts
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09:59<Silicium01>catsup, what should it contain?
10:00<catsup>type man xauth for detailed explanation
10:00<catsup>but basically it contains the password to the X server
10:02<catsup>i don't know why you wouldn't have it though, are you looking in the home directory of the user that started the x session?
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10:04<Silicium01>catsup, yes
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10:05<Silicium01>when I typed xauth, it shows this: Using authority file /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-user-ECfX3p/database
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10:05<catsup>seems gdm3 does things differently
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10:06<Silicium01>this is squeeze
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10:06<Silicium01>I think it's gdm2
10:06<catsup>now you have the problem of figuring out how to discover that filename from your script
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10:06<catsup>why would gdm2 use /var/run/gdm3 ?
10:07<Silicium01>catsup, never mind you're right:)
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10:08<catsup>is ECfX3p the username?
10:08<Silicium01>user is the username
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10:08<catsup>ah, but it has the right ownership
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10:08<Silicium01>I added two lines to my script
10:09<catsup>oh wait
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10:09<catsup>'user' is the username
10:09<a147>what hanppent
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10:09<catsup>you can't put shell script at the top of a python script before the shebang
10:09<Silicium01>does not work
10:10<catsup>also you can't hard-code that filename
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10:10<Silicium01>catsup, oh I see
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10:10<catsup>you need to do something like for f in /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-user-*; do XAUTHORITY=$f; break; done
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10:11<catsup>fuck why didn't they just name the authority files after the display number
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10:12<Darien-LT>Debian uses ext3 as default, should I change it to ext4?
10:12<catsup>Darien-LT: yep
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10:13<Darien-LT>catsup: Thanks, I was unsure
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10:13<catsup>it's important to create fs as ext4 and not convert ext3->ext4
10:14<catsup>because that conversion doesn't enable all ext4 features
10:14<Darien-LT>is swap primary or logical?
10:14<catsup>doesn't matter
10:14<catsup>none of that matters, this isn't DOS :p
10:15<Darien-LT>I chose automatically partition the free space and my swap was at 3.6GB, and there was no /boot, but now I'm doing it manually, it's pretty difficult...
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10:15<catsup>i mean, primary/logical partitions don't make any diff for linux ever
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10:16<Silicium01>catsup, like this?
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10:16<catsup>Silicium01: you didn't export XAUTHORITY tho
10:17<catsup>nor specify path to
10:19<catsup>ya looks ok
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10:20<Silicium01>lets see if this runs
10:20<Darien-LT>Okay, I made the fd ext4, and it is now writing changes to disk
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10:22<catsup>wait what
10:22<catsup>oh nm
10:22<Silicium01>catsup, still does not popup
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10:23<catsup>does it work from the shell
10:23<Silicium01>catsup, yes
10:23<catsup>try again?
10:23<catsup>bc you edited the .py
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10:24<Silicium01>I just ran it in shell it works
10:24<Silicium01>I get warning from gtk but it works
10:24<catsup>you ran the shell script or the python script?
10:25<Silicium01>shell script
10:25<catsup>oh i see the problem
10:25<catsup>have to be root to look at /var/run/gdm3
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10:26<Silicium01>maybe I should generate ~/.Xauthority?
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10:27<catsup>that won't work because you need to set the x server to accept the token you generate
10:27<catsup>which requires you to be authorized already
10:27<Silicium01>what if I run cron script as root?
10:28<catsup>or chmod 755 /var/run/gdm3
10:28<Silicium01>catsup, I just feel like there should be a better way, no?
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10:29<catsup>XAUTHORITY=$(sudo ls /var/run/gdm3|grep /auth-for-user-|head -n 1)
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10:29<catsup>i'm not sure that's any better :p
10:30<catsup>frankly i find gdm3's behavior bizarre
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10:30<Silicium01>running a program, even if it's gui should not involve su if you ask me
10:30<Silicium01>should not user be in control of his x authority?
10:31<catsup>well the user is
10:31<catsup>you can change your x init scripts to merge .Xauthority
10:32<catsup>but, the crontab can't do that, only the user who already has X access can change X access settings
10:32<catsup> has a solution
10:32<catsup>to generate the .Xauthority on login
10:32<catsup>actually this solution is better:
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10:33<catsup>gah, that guy's shell script is broken though
10:33<Silicium01>and that will create a proper .Xauthority file, which i will later export?
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10:34<th>what about using libnotify-bin (sending the notification via dbus)?
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10:34<catsup>if you just cp the xauthority file to the usual location
10:35<catsup>then you will be fine
10:35<Silicium01>catsup, copy from where?
10:35<Silicium01>and every time I login?
10:35<catsup>i recommend from .xsession
10:35<catsup>which runs on every x startup
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10:36<catsup>the only problem with solution #10 is he forgot to quote "$XAUTHORITY"
10:36<catsup>(which won't matter unless it's unset, which it won't be, but probably still better to do it right)
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10:37<Silicium01>catsup, do i need to put every occurance of $XAUTHORITY in that scipt in quotes?
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10:38<catsup>variables have to be quoted when it's possible they're unset
10:38<catsup>and they're used as arguments to commands
10:38<catsup>including the [ command
10:38<catsup>(also when they may include spaces)
10:38<catsup>(unless you want them to be multiple arguments)
10:39<catsup>anything in "" is one argument. anything not in "" may be 0 or more than 1 arguments.
10:39<Silicium01>I've placed that code into ~/.xsessionrc, now I guess I will modify my bash script to export from .Xauthority and then restart computer?
10:39<catsup>lol you do't need to restart computer
10:39<catsup>just x, but not even that
10:39<catsup>just cp the file to .Xauthority
10:40*grrrrrr ♥ AC⚡DC
10:40<catsup>omg awesome unicode
10:40*catsup ♥ unicode
10:42<Silicium01>catsup I did "cp $XAUTHORITY ~/.Xauthority", then updated shell script to export it, it still didn't run
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10:43<catsup>i duno man, you better find out why
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10:43<catsup>myself, i gotta go
10:44<Silicium01>catsup, thanks for all your help
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10:45<gramian>hi, does anyone know how to make a webcam (creative vf 0040) work in debian?
10:47*grrrrrr ♥ AC⚡DC
10:47<cahoot>gramian, find its usbid - return
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10:50<gramian>cahoot, do you mean to run lsusb?
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10:51<devil>lsusb -vv
10:52<cahoot>gramian, usbid has the format xxxx:xxxx
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10:54<gramian>oh ok , it is 041e:4061, what i do with that information?
10:54<cahoot>let's see what judd manages
10:54<cahoot>, usbid 041e:4061
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10:54<cahoot>hmm - google it is then
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10:57<cahoot>modprobe gspca_ov519 (if enabled)
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10:57<cahoot>that seems to be the relevant kernelmodule
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10:58<gramian>i ran it, i got no response
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10:58<cahoot>that's as should be then
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11:04<charles>how to configure kannel on ubuntu
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11:05<cahoot>kannel=kernel? you should ask in #ubuntu
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11:25<sney>I agree.
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11:34<Lantizia>Say you've got 30 packages to install... is it quicker to install them either a) all on one apt-get line or b) as 30 different apt-get lines. Yes obviously it's longer to type - but what I mean is, does apt-get/dpkg have to recalculate 30 times rather and 1 time the impact of these packages and thus is it actually quicker to do them all at once?
11:36<sney>yes, it is quicker to do them all at once because of the calculations needed.
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11:37<Lantizia>sney, and why are those calculations longer when separate?
11:37<SynrG>because they're repeated
11:37<Lantizia>which part is?
11:37<Lantizia>reading the current status of installed packages?
11:37<SynrG>filling the large data structures in memory with package data
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11:38<SynrG>also i'm sure there are efficiencies in depenency calculation that are realized when you consider a whole set of packages
11:38<kop>Lantizia: Plus there's minimal speed improvements because triggers can be run only once to do things like update the man indexes.
11:38<SynrG>that too
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11:39<Lantizia>ok thanks
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11:44<dpkg>Russian speakers, please talk (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
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11:46<Darien-LT__>Okay, so I'm in Debian, the install was successful. How do I update everything?
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11:48<sney>Darien-LT__: either the synaptic package tool, if you have the default gui, or with aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade
11:48<sney>Darien-LT__: though, if you used the net install, you're already updated
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11:51<thor_>Where do I find Firefox to install? I searched in the Software centre but couldn't find it
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11:51<petemc>thor_: its called ice weasel in debian
11:51<sney>iceweasel, yeah
11:51<weasel>petemc: no, it's not
11:52<sney>no space :)
11:52<weasel>petemc: it's called iceweasel.
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11:52<petemc>very pedantic
11:52<thor_>That was the first option :)
11:52<petemc>ill ensure i insert no extraneous spaces in the future
11:52<weasel>there's a significant difference
11:52<weasel>much appreciated
11:53<petemc>no prob lem
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11:54<thor_>Is there a command to check for updates for all packages and installed software?
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11:55<retrospectacus>thor_: apt-get upgrade
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11:56<JIesha>how can I make koi-8 for another channel?
11:56<thor_>Thank you very much
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11:56<catsup>JIesha: it depends on your irc client
11:57<JIesha>I have xchat
11:57<JIesha>I got it from pack manager
11:58<JIesha>can u advise any mirc or how to make this here?
11:58<catsup>i don't know xchat, maybe ask in #xchat
11:59<catsup>also see
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12:00<cahoot>JIesha, try xchat->network list->server->edit->ther's place to put commands like LANG=koi-8 - I'd try that
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12:00<sney>cahoot: also, an encoding drop-down
12:01<cahoot>seems easier
12:01<sney>just checked, koi-8 is in the options
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12:02<JIesha>I have there koi-8r
12:02<JIesha>but in russian chat nobody can read what I type
12:02<sney>you have to disconnect/reconnect before it will take effect
12:02<JIesha>channel rule says I need koi-8r
12:02<JIesha>and 1 more
12:03<JIesha>if I make it
12:03<JIesha>english will still understand me?
12:03<JIesha>or 1 coding per server?
12:03<sney>1 coding for per server
12:03<JIesha>ok thx anyways
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12:04<sney>you could come back here with mibbit or some... yeah
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12:06<JIesha>can u read it?
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12:07<sney>try something cyrillic, if it looks like garbage on my end you're probably set
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12:09<retrospectacus>Что это говорит?
12:10<TCW>I must admit cyrilic just looks awsome! :)
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12:13<catsup>encoding per server is lame
12:13<thor_>I'm attempting to install the nvidia drivers using "The Debian Way" But I'm having trouble
12:14<sney>ok, what have you done so far?
12:14<TCW>thor_, yoi did read the instructions on teh wiki?
12:14<omry_>is btrfs ready for production?
12:14<TCW>Huh... someone must have switched some keys on my keyboard! :)
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12:14<omry_>installing sqeeuze now, and its one of the options.
12:15<TCW>omry_, that depends :) The devs themself say no
12:15<thor_>TCW: I'm following them
12:15<sney>omry_: it's usable for data storage but really not recommended for your system partition
12:15<TCW>thor_, what is your problem then?
12:15<sney>omry_: and even so, you should have backups...
12:15<omry_>alright, I read it as no :)
12:16<JIesha>guys, I have some disc with autorun.exe, its dvd from magazine, in win I can open it, but now Im in debian and it dont open autorun.exe, but I have wine. Any solution?
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12:16<thor_>TCW I have trouble with the m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source command
12:16<sney>thor_: are you in debian squeeze? module assistant was the method for lenny
12:16<TCW>omry_, but if you have backups... btrfs needs to be tested, otherwise one or too bugs may slip through, so in generall it is not a bad idea to use it (and at least it did not yet break badly here)
12:16<sney>thor_: you should be following the instructions for nvidia-kernel-dkms
12:16<TCW>theand waht problem?
12:17<retrospectacus>JIesha: it *could* run in wine. You may need to run ''wine explorer'' in terminal and browse to the autorun
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12:17<TCW>thor_, even
12:17<sney>JIesha: all autorun does is start a setup executable somewhere else. if there's something on that disc you want to use, find it on the disc and run it directly
12:17<thor_>I understand sney, I didn't know that, it should be made more clear on the wiki
12:18<sney>thor_: agreed, the wiki needs work in many ways
12:18<JIesha>sney, its like all sounds and movies from disc
12:18<JIesha>but I dont want to open directly
12:19<JIesha>I want to make it work
12:19<retrospectacus>JIesha: you may have limited success with that. Debian is not supposed to run Windows things.
12:19<JIesha>retrospectacus : thx, I didnt know of wine explorer existance))
12:19<omry_>TCW, I`ll consider it for personal use, not for production
12:20<TCW>thor_, sney, the wiki instructions about the debian way for nvidia use dkms too...
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12:20<sney>the wiki sometimes isn't very clear about lenny solutions vs. squeeze solutions, is all.
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12:21<JIesha>retrospectacus : If debian could do all win can, all .exe for example, debian would be the best OS ever... it has no lags and easy work with packages
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12:21<TCW>dunno... I just folloewed the instructions there for the first time a few weeks ago, and all went well... up until now at least ;) something is broken in sid and nvidia right now....
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12:22<sney>!broken in sid
12:22<dpkg>Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>, <break>.
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12:22<sney>TCW: easy for you, easy for me, not as easy for the people who just came over from the windows side or from something handholding like ubuntu. you know?
12:22<JIesha>wine: Call from 0x7b845790 to unimplemented function gdiplus.dll.GdipImageForceValidation, aborting
12:22<JIesha>it says
12:23<JIesha>no solution for that?
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12:23<sney>maybe ask in the #wine channel on freenode
12:23<Zaba>it's #winehq
12:23<sney>er, yeah
12:23<Zaba>JIesha, what wine version
12:23<TCW>did someone else encouter an issue with nvidia on sid recently? In my case, Kernel module and glx are sane, no errors in Xorg.log or dmesg, all sane and sound... but e.g. glxinfo complains about missing RGB GLX vissulas (iirc) and if I ask ldconfig it seams to not use the nvidia GL Module...use
12:24<sney>TCW: sid/testing questions go to #debian-next
12:24<thor_>TCW: sney:
12:24<JIesha>Zaba , dunno
12:24<Zaba>JIesha, wine --version
12:24<JIesha>k w8 a sec
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12:24<Zaba>that's ancient
12:24<sney>it's the one in debian
12:24<JIesha>and I also have Q4wine
12:25<JIesha>but I dunno how to manage it
12:25<sney> has slightly newer (1.1.something) and there's another 3rd party repo that has even newer than that
12:25<Zaba>yup, but when trying to get something that doesn't work to work in wine, your only bet is the newest version
12:25<TCW>sney, agree... but I wasn't aware of the skillset of thor_... but I guess if something is still unclear he has to ask a bit more specific (at least I asked him twice about the exact issue)
12:25<Zaba>1.1 is also ancient
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12:25<JIesha>what version can u advise me?
12:25<TCW>sney, oops? Her is a separate channel for sid/testing? Funny :)
12:25<Zaba>1.2.3 or 1.3.22 are the only viable ones to try
12:26<sney>thor_: you're still trying to do something manually. dkms is what you want.
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12:26<thor_>That is under the dkms in the wiki sney
12:26<TCW>thor_, *eeks* why by foot? :)
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12:27<JIesha>1.3.22 going to search right now
12:27<JIesha>Zaba , thx :)
12:27<sney>thor_: no, you're reading the manual build section.
12:27<sney>!nvidia dkms
12:27<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
12:27<TCW>thor_, lets go through together, shall we?
12:27<sney>^ do that. the part in quotes can be pasted.
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12:28<thor_>apt-get install nvidia-glx${VERSION} seems to be working.
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12:29<sney>JIesha: understand though, that anything you install from a third party source is unsupported by #debian, so if it breaks you have to ask in the wine channel or the repo maintainer
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12:29<TCW>thor_, did you set the variable for $VERSION?
12:29<thor_>TCW: That would be wonderful and I am sorry I am such a burden
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12:29<TCW>thor_, I really hope you are not a burden, but just a new user ;)
12:30<thor_>TCW: #
12:30<thor_>root@Thor:/home/thor# export KVERS=$(uname -r)
12:30<thor_>root@Thor:/home/thor# export KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$KVERS
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12:30<JIesha>sney , I understand :) hope it will work
12:30<TCW>Oh well :)
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12:30<thor_>TCW: I am a new user, but I learn fast.
12:30<sney>TCW: only because you didn't read his paste :P
12:31<TCW>sney, to be honest... I must have missed it the first time :)
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12:31<TCW>thor_, ok... no pasting over 3 lines here, and lets started. What GPU Chip do you have?
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12:32<sney>thor_: anyway, if you have the linux-headers package installed for your kernel, all you need to do is 'aptitude install nvidia-kernel-dkms' and the rest will happen automatically.
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12:32<thor_>I have an Nvidia GTX480
12:32<sney>then set the device in xorg.conf.d and you're done. hmm, maybe I should fix the wiki.
12:32<TCW>sney, even the choosing of the right driver version for the chip?
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12:33<sney>TCW: the -legacy options are only for old stuff.
12:33<thor_>TCW: The wikis for installing flash and Java shouldn't be this difficult though, should they?
12:34<sney>flash and java are easy. add contrib and non-free to your software sources, aptitude update, and just install the relevant packages
12:34<thor_>sney: I already updated my software sources :)
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12:34<sney>proprietary drivers are annoying because upstream packages them weirdly, so debian has to do all kinds of special work just to get them integrated without breaking stuff
12:35<sney>can't wait for nouveau 3d to improve
12:35<thor_>sney: The problem is, I'll be needing them, as I will be gaming on Debian (Mostly native stuff)
12:35<sney>thor_: yeah, I know
12:35<JIesha>I love debian :)
12:35<TCW>sney, I know... but at least where I come from, hardware is used until it breaks (or if it is too slow) and not because a new model is on the market ;)
12:35<sney>thor_: just install that dkms package!
12:36<TCW>thor_, in general... tips and hints about how to make the wiki more clearer is always welcome...
12:36<sney>TCW: the -legacy packages are mostly for pre-pci express models. there are something like 6 or maybe 7 gpu series that are supported by the regular one. It's not as recent a cutoff as with ATI.
12:37<TCW>sney, I did not check the "cut" recently... but especially on one or two laptops here, I need a legacy driver...
12:37<thor_>sney: Now to do some fun Xorg.conf twiddling you said?
12:38<dpkg> takes forever to load, makes us enter a captcha to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please either link the raw paste ( or use a different site, like
12:38<TCW>But of course they are old... and that is just what I wanted to say, old but working and beeing used! :)
12:38<sney>I went through it this time but sheesh
12:38<TCW>*eeks* bbl
12:38<sney>thor_: huh, it skipped the running kernel. what's the output of uname -r?
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12:39<sney>hm, strange. ok.
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12:40<sney>anyway, do this:
12:40<sney>echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
12:40<sney>that will create a mini xorg.conf snippet to tell X to use the proprietary driver.
12:40<thor_>No such File or directory
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12:41<Zaba>mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
12:41<sney>yep, zaba types faster than I do apparently
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12:42<sney>so try it again
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12:43<sney>all that echo command does is put some text in a file in the directory you just created.
12:43<sney>Xtrang3: help you with something?
12:43<retrospectacus>thor_: up up enter
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12:43<martinj>hi, somehow a number of static libraries were moved to /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu and when I compile stuff, ld fails to find the libraries there (crti.o, crtn.o and who knwn what else). Where can I add the path to the default search list? I wasn't able to google anything for static linking...
12:43<invitado_>vamonos marce?
12:43<Xtrang3>sney: ok
12:43<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
12:44<Xtrang3>what's up?
12:44<Xtrang3>mee noo entender esto xD
12:44<invitado_>ni iop
12:44<invitado_>me siento
12:45<thor_>What is that output supposed to look like sney?
12:45<invitado_>hey 69
12:45<sney>thor_: nothing. it just creates a text file. if you want to look at it, do cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
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12:45<Xtrang3>x lo menos encontramos algo buenoo
12:45<golosa>soi golosa 69
12:45<sney>Xtrang3, invitado_ - cuantos anos teneis?
12:46<Xtrang3>en stee centro!!
12:46<thor_>So is that it? Is the driver installed now?
12:46<golosa>jaajajajaj mmmm
12:46<sney>thor_: yes
12:46<sney>!ops spaniards
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12:46<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: spaniards
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12:46<golosa>cabal pero bamos a ver aya abajo
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12:46<golosa>si ya desocuparon el centro de computo
12:46<retrospectacus>invitado_ Xtrang3 golosa: do not speak spanish here. You will be kicked.
12:46<Xtrang3>Sney 18
12:47<thor_>It requires an X restart does it not?
12:47<Ro>si ya lo desocuparon
12:47<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:47<golosa>si vamos a ver
12:47<Ro>aunque creo que hay clases
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12:47<golosa>si bamonos ya
12:47<sney>porque eres tan estupido? este canal es de AYUDA CON ORDENADORES. en INGLES.
12:47-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
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12:47<thor_>sney: How can I restart X without restarting the PC?
12:48<sney>thor_: you're probably using gdm, right? you should reboot. gdm doesn't like being restarted
12:48<retrospectacus>thor_: best way is to choose "log out" from the gnome system menu
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12:48<thor_>Yessir, I'm using gnome
12:48<towo`>thor_, /etc/init.d/gdm stop && /etc/init.d/gdm start
12:48<sney>isn't it gdm3 now?
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12:49<sney>'service restart gdm3' should also do the trick, but sometimes it craps itself
12:49<sney>also, you should reboot anyway to make sure the nouveau blacklist is working.
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12:49<retrospectacus>using the gnome "log out" properly saves your session. "service restart" etc. just kill it
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12:50<thor_>okay sney, back soon
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12:54<thor_>I'm back sney, but not, I have 2 versions of Debian in Grub. Anyway, how do I check if the drivers isntalled correctly?
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12:56<thor_>How do I check if the nvidia drivers installed successfully?
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12:57<devil>thor_: glxinfo | grep -i direct
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12:57<thor_>Welcome back sney
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12:58<sney>thanks. I think my irc bouncer just got nuked.
12:58<devil>but that might throw errors today due to
12:58<towo`>gkxinfo | grep -i render would be better
12:58<mdupont>thor_, i have a similar problem with ati drivers, GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object is missing says urban terror
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12:58<chealer>thor_: see
12:58<thor_>chealer: That article is outdated and more than slightly dodgy
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13:01<chealer>thor_: what makes you think it's outdated?
13:01<thor_>We were just talking about it
13:01<sney>thor_: graphics acceleration enabled!
13:01<martinj>hi, after a number of static libraries were moved to /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu and when I compile stuff, ld fails to find the libraries there (crti.o, crtn.o and who knwn what else). Where can I add the path to the default search list? I wasn't able to google anything for static linking...
13:02<JIesha>E:error pkgProblemResolver::Resolve
13:02<sney>chealer: the headers are really tiny and it's very easy for a new user to not even get to the part about dkms before they try something needlessly complicated.
13:02<JIesha>held packages
13:02<JIesha>how can I solve it?
13:02<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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13:02<JIesha>is it for me?
13:03<thor_>sney: Now to figure out how to set up dual screens.
13:03<JIesha>I tried to launch updater
13:04<chealer>sney: feel free to improve, I was just asking why thor_ thought the page was outdated
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13:05<thor_>chealer: I have no idea, I was told this
13:06<JIesha>Failed to fetch the changelog for wine-dev
13:06<JIesha>URI was:
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13:08<dpkg>Gmail is a webmail service from <Google> that still does not support konqueror ... See also <reportbug>, <gmailfs>, <ssmtp>.
13:08<chealer>thor_: well, it's not the case
13:08<thor_>Where is the location of my xorg.conf.working file? I am supposed to manually edit it to set up dual screens
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13:08<jhutchins_lt>thor_: /etc/X11/
13:09<jhutchins_lt>thor_: However it probably doesn't exist yet.
13:09<jhutchins_lt>!tell thor_ about xorg.conf
13:09<thor_>You are right, it isn't there
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13:11<sney>xorg.conf doesn't exist by default.
13:11<gnugr>thor_: try " dkpg -l | grep -i nouveau "
13:11<sney>gnugr: please, he just installed the proprietary driver.
13:11<towo`>this driver would not work without a config
13:11<gnugr>i saw nvidia
13:11<sney>thor_: the recommended method is to create separate xorg.conf snippets for the sections needed in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d, like we did before
13:12<towo`>so propably there is a config in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
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13:12<thor_>Is there software I can use to configure dual screens? Or does it have to be done by manually editing config files?
13:12<sney>thor_: so if the doc you're reading says to create a separate Display section, or something, just make it by itself in a text file and save it to that directory, with a helpful name like 30-dualscreens.conf
13:12<sney>there *might* be nview but I can't remember. also, sometimes it Just Works(tm)
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13:13<retrospectacus>thor_: I use ''nvidia-settings''
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13:14<retrospectacus>TwinView configuration
13:14<towo`>thor_, grep config /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep Using
13:15<jordanm>thor_: you can use gmome's monitor tool in preferences, or nivida-settings for nvidia
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13:19<thor_>retrospectacus: Where do you find that?
13:20<jordanm>thor_: nviida proprietary drivers only
13:20<jordanm>thor_: nvidia-settings
13:20<retrospectacus>thor_: I just run it in the terminal. You may have to install it
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13:21<retrospectacus>thor_: oh it is also in System - Administration - Nvidia X Server Settings
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13:24<thor_>I have installed the proprietary drivers, yet I can't find it under System
13:24<retrospectacus>thor_: apt-get install nvidia-settings
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13:24<thor_>Thank you so much
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13:29<sney> I think it's better. any suggestions? thor_?
13:29<sney>first bit still needs work but I'm not sure what to do yet.
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13:30<dijz>hello, someone use MSN by Pidgin in squeeze? I can not login...
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13:30<sney>dijz: I'm using it right now. it's supported. check your password
13:31<retrospectacus>dijz: yes it's fine
13:31<thor_>The problem is, I am achieving all of this on Linux, but I feel that if I have to do this all again, without IRC, I wouldn't be able to do it.
13:31<thor_>I hope it's practise makes perfect
13:32<sney>it is that
13:32<sney>and advances generally make it easier
13:32<thor_>sney: Sorry I'll read the wiki now
13:32<sney>once nouveau's 3d works, you won't have to do anything!
13:32<Zaba>did nvidia release any specs yet?
13:33<towo`>and will never
13:33<Zaba>ha ha :P
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13:33<sney>unsurprising, but the nouveau team seems to be making it work anyway
13:33<Zaba>at least amd wants to kill fglrx dead
13:33<thor_>brb, restarting X
13:33<Zaba>with all the consequential support for the open source driver
13:33<Zaba>(that is, support of its development)
13:33<sney>yeah, and then they don't have to put as much work into it
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13:34<Zaba>then again, the radeon driver doesn't yet work especially well for me (on a radeon hd 6310)
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13:34<Zaba>(crashes, freezes and what not)
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13:35<sney>well, with newer hardware some bumps are expected. on some 6xxx radeons it doesn't work at all.
13:36<Zaba>I've got a buggy atombios chip in this laptop, and apparently the free driver doesn't yet know how to work around. Or something. I'm neither an expert nor am involved in its development, how'd I know ;P
13:36<dijz>sney, retrospectacus ok, thanks :) it looks like working now
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13:36<jhutchins_lt>Zaba: Can you get an update?
13:37<Zaba>jhutchins_lt, ?
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13:37<jhutchins_lt>Zaba: For the BIOS.
13:37<Zaba>jhutchins_lt, I don't want to
13:37<Zaba>and it's not the bios, it's the atombios, the gpu's hardware abstraction layer
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13:37<Zaba>jhutchins_lt, fglrx works just great, why should I risk bricking my system?
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13:42<thor_>It has come to my newbish attention that any changes I make to the Nvidia X Server Settings won't save unless I actually have an "X configuration" file to save them to. Which I believe is Xorg.conf?
13:42<mazze>Q: Sometimes when I want to install something just like now: apt-get install kile. But apt-get tells me that there are many dependencies like "Depends: kdebase-runtime (version) but it is not going to be installed. And this for many dependancy packets
13:43<sney>thor_: or the xorg.conf snippets we talked about before, like the one you made for your Driver statement
13:43<mazze>Any hint how to make apt-get install the dependencies automatically (as it should be)?
13:43<sney>thor_: if nvidia-settings wants a full xorg.conf though, you can use nvidia-xconfig to make one, I think
13:44<retrospectacus>mazze: it can't. If it could it would have. You can run ''apt-get install kile kdebase-runtime'' and it will tell you more about the dependency problem(s)
13:44<sney>mazze: that should work normally. what debian version are you running?
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13:44<mazze>sney squeeze
13:45<hacan>whats up
13:45<sney>mazze: can you show us your sources.list? on
13:45<mazze>retrospectacus but this is _huge_ . It needs much time, and there is no clear error, only a long list of "not going to be installed"
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13:46<mazze>sney it is there on
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13:47<sney>mazze: I see you have a testing line commented, did you install anything from testing?
13:47<retrospectacus>mazze: make a paste with your apt-get command and its output
13:47<mazze>retrospectacus it is on
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13:48<mazze>sney yes, I did. May this cause the problem because of a conflict with a too new installed version?
13:48<mazze>short, precise answer
13:48<mazze>of course, I had a good cause to do it :D
13:48<sney>if you want to use testing, you should just use testing. mixing stable and testing is almost always a bad idea
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13:49<mazze>Damn, I should have used backports ...
13:49<mazze>sney next time ...
13:50<mazze>for this time, as I don't want to pull everything KDE from testing, I will go manually through all the deps and check where the problem lies ...
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13:50<sney>at this point you have 2 options, either back up your data and reinstall, or upgrade fully to wheezy. otherwise you're going to see apt errors from lots of stuff
13:50<mazze>BTW: Is there some GTK-based/GNOME application that could do more or less the same as kile?
13:50<sney>or just leave it as is and don't install anything :P
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13:51<sney>I know geany has a latex plugin, but I've never used it
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13:54<retrospectacus>''apt-cache search LaTeX editor'' shows a bunch. "gummi" is gtk-based
13:54<kop>mazze: lyx?
13:54<kop>mazze: I've no idea if it's gtk, but it's well established.
13:55<retrospectacus>lyx uses qt
13:55<kop>mazze: debtags would be my search tool of choice
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13:58<thor_>sney: I have a slight problem. I now have 2 extra kernels of Debian at the Grub menu, and my changes to the Nvidia X settings are not being saved. This is really odd
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13:59<towo`>thor_, grep config /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep Using
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14:00<kop>thor_: FYI, apt does not remove old kernels until you "aptitude purge ..." (or whatever) the old kernel.
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14:03<thor_>It's the "New" kernal that's new, the old kernal is the one I use
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14:03<sney>in any case, kernels are not removed until you remove them on purpose
14:04<thor_>How do I choose which to boot by default in grub?
14:05<thor_>The "Newer" Kernal doesn't actually work, and I don't think it's 64 bit
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14:06<towo`>"doesn't work" is not a bugreport
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14:06<sney>indeed, but if it's not doing what you need, why not remove it
14:06<towo`>thor_, and in a 64bit system, apt would never install an 32bit kernel
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14:07<thor_>towo, it doesn't even boot, it simply runs through text too fast to read, then a _ flashes faintly in the top left corner.
14:07<thor_>sney: How do I remove it?
14:07<towo`>then x does not start
14:08<towo`>the system is running
14:08<Zaba>you'd get a login prompt then, most likely
14:08<sney>thor_: same way you remove any package. aptitude remove etc
14:08<towo`>not in any case Zaba
14:08<Zaba>still, it wouldn't end up in the top left corner normally
14:09<towo`>the blinking underscore is typical for a half startet x system
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14:09<sney>you have to specify the package name, of course
14:09<towo`>thor_, your used config for nvidia is here Using config directory: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
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14:12<dpkg>Oracle VM VirtualBox is a virtual machine solution. To install, ask me about <vbox-install squeeze> or <vbox-install lenny>. #vbox on See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest-utils>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>.
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14:21<ghoose10>hi, I want to rename all files in a folder from "*[01][0-9]*" to "[01][0-9]*" (basically, justremove the part before the 2 numbers). I guess that one doesn't work: for file in *[01][0-9]*; do mv "$file" "[01][0-9]*"; done
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14:25<thor_>I'm still attempting to set up dual screen. I'm not sure what to do. Nvidia X Server Settings can't save into etc/X11/xorg.conf.d and I can't change the file "20-nvidia.conf" that is already there. I applied the dual screen, but it won't be here when I restart
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14:25<bluenemo_>when i put startx into rc.local then everything defined in /root/.xsession should automaticly startup at boot right?
14:26<sney>thor_: sounds like you need an actual xorg.conf unfortunately. do you have nvidia-xconfig?
14:26<towo`>thor_, "I can't change the file "20-nvidia.conf" <== why?
14:26<towo`>sney, no, he need not
14:26<towo`>he can setup a 30-screen.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
14:26<sney>towo`: oh? do you have a way to tell his gui tool to do that?
14:26<towo`>and nvidia-xconfig is crap³
14:28<sney>it is crap, but without anything special it should generate a usable xorg.conf. whatever, it's just one option. if you want to walk him through making the twinview setup manually, go ahead
14:28<thor_>I think I found the problem. I'm not root so I can't edit the file
14:28<towo`>and if he needs nvidia-settings, i would touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf let the gui save the settings and move the xorg.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
14:28<thor_>How do I gain root permissions for GUI use?
14:28<towo`>sney, he has a working x config
14:28<devil>thor_: sux
14:28<mynameisearl>gksu gedit
14:29<towo`>nvidia-xconfig gnereates a bloated file with useless crap in
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14:29<sney>towo`: yes I know, I helped him make it. it's just the 4 lines from dpkg's nvidia dkms factoid.
14:29<thor_>I know what I need to put in the file, all I need is the ability to edit it, which I can't
14:29<towo`>that's enougth for nvidia
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14:30<devil>thor_: sux, and start whatever gui editor you need
14:30<sney>that's enough for nvidia. is it enough for nvidia-settings to generate multi monitor entries? no! it isn't!
14:30<sney>because nvidia-settings doesn't grok debian's conf.d
14:31<sney>so either a) DIY with a text editor, or b) create a regular xorg.conf (with nvidia-xconfig, or X -configure) and let nvidia-settings do it for you
14:31<thor_>sney: I have now used gedit as a super user and copied the text that Nvidia xserver generated
14:32<thor_>It should now work
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14:32<sney>thor_: ok.
14:32<thor_>For now however, I'm off for a while. Personally, I think it will be easier to simply use a Xorg.conf because I know I'll end up needing one again.
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14:33<sney>thor_: yeah, the xorg.conf.d system is really cool but it is still very new and often causes tangles with proprietary drivers
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14:33<sney>a couple years down the line and it may be the standard.
14:33<thor_>When I get back, I'm going to research how to uninstall the kernel I don't want. For now, bye, and thank you very much for putting up with me
14:34<sney>no problem. you've been cooperative, it was easy
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15:02<thor_>sney: If it isn't too much to ask, could you help me with the aptitude uninstall? So I can uninstall the unwanted kernel?
15:03<sney>yeah, just do 'aptitude search ~ilinux-image' and it'll show you what you have installed
15:03<sney>then pick the ones you don't want anymore and do aptitude remove linux-image-whatever
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15:04<thor_>I think I may need some help. I wish to uninstall the last, 2.6.38 image
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15:05<sney>your backport kernel? ok
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15:05<sney>the string after 'i A' is the package name. so it would be aptitude remove linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64
15:05<thor_>In reality, I wish to remove all kernels besides the one I am currently using.
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15:06<sney>it really isn't rocket science, the config file stuff you were doing earlier is harder
15:06<devil>thor_: not too clever, keep at least 1 more
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15:07<thor_>devil: Okay. sney: Yeah, it's easier than I thought
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15:08<thor_>I'm going to reboot now, and check the xserver configs I made earlier work, and to check this kernel is the kernal that boots. Be right back
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15:08<thor_>boots by default'
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15:12<thor_>It all worked perfectly. It's so nice when everything goes so well. Now to install java and flash. I want to attempt this on my own first however
15:13<sney>as long as you have non-free sources it'll be no trouble at all.
15:14<thor_>I do
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15:15<thor_>Wow. That is simple
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15:15<thor_>Oh. Or not.
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15:17<thor_>sney: Surely that means all is well? Yet when I use the Java test, it says something is wrong/ java is not installed
15:18<towo`>apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
15:18<cthuluh>it is, this test just wants you to install the "official" suite
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15:19<thor_>So I did thine right thing but used the wrong package name?
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15:19<sney>you installed the openjdk jre, and if you're testing it on a page it'll whine about it
15:20<sney>just try running something java
15:20<thor_>I used apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
15:20<sney>then that should be fine
15:20<thor_>I might as well get the official thing
15:20<cthuluh>thor_: if you have the openjdk and icedtea6-plugin installed, you're fine
15:21<sney>there are several options for java
15:21<cthuluh>else, if you awnt to use the "official" plugin, just do it. but it won't bring you anything
15:21<thor_>I've used the official plugin
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15:22<thor_>I pretty much understand apt-get install now.
15:22<towo`>since the openjdk-plugin does not ron on all sites, sun-jave will surly brings anything
15:22<thor_>Which isn't exactly hard, I know.
15:22<thor_>thanks towa
15:22<omidp>top how can i enable sound on my laptop?
15:22<devil>thor_: apt has much more to offer than just install
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15:23<devil>omidp: by opening alsamixergui and unmuting
15:23<MrFrood>!tell omidp about alsactl
15:23<towo`>omidp, do we know your laptop?
15:23<thor_>But what I'm saying is, I understand how to use the install command
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15:27<thor_>I believe this means flash is installed right?
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15:30<flower>does anyone know how to stress my dualcore a bit?
15:31<flower>my cpu should handle 2GHz
15:31<flower>but when I set cpu scaling on performance it hangs at 1.2GHz
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15:31<flower>thinkpad T61 here
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15:32<TCW>thor_, basically yes... but it may be you need to point debian to the newly installed flash, otherwise it may use gnash or swfdec or ... whatever (which do suck often)
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15:33<thor_>And how do I do that?
15:33<TCW>thor_, see the directory /etc/alternatives/, you may get the idea but if something is unckear to you, SAY something :)
15:33<TCW>unclear even
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15:34<thor_>I really appreciate that you help me, and not just tell me exactly what to do, I actually want to learn :)
15:35<TCW>thor_, that's the idea behind it ;)
15:35<TCW>thor_, so... is there a question? There SHOULD be :)
15:36<thor_>I don't know how to phrase the question there are shortcuts everywhere
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15:37<thor_>I need to change the destinations of the shortcuts
15:37<thor_>The question then, is which shortcuts, and how can I point to the new flash.
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15:38<Nemoder_>thor_: man update-alternatives
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15:38<thor_>It's that simple? Wow, I wouldn't have guessed
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15:39<TCW>thor_, update-alternatives is the tool you need... and "something" related to flash the link you may need to change... so I guess as a first thing would be: ls -l /etc/alternatives|grep flash
15:40<TCW>thor_, what is the output?
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15:41<dpkg>for monitor sync ranges and refresh rates, see, or man 1 sync, man mount (search for sync options).
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15:42<TCW>thor_, guess what that means :)
15:42<Achylles>I have tried to access #debian through FREENODE, but without success
15:42<Achylles>How can I access that?
15:42<retrospectacus>type /server and then /j debian
15:42<TCW>is there a #debian channel on freenode?
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15:44<thor_>It worked TCW?
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15:44<TCW>thor_, ther was nothing to change... the recently installed non-free flashplayer took care of it on his own.
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15:45<thor_>Oh I see, so had it not, that output only shows the link, it doesn't change it?
15:45<thor_>That sentence made very little sense.
15:46<thor_>That command I used, it shows where the flash shortcut was pointing to?
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15:46<TCW>thor_, but as a side-note... that link to the non-free (adobe) flashplayer may change in the future if another (free) flashplayer is installed for example as a dependency of some package you install..
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15:47<thor_>So at some point I may have to re-update it?
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15:48<TCW>thor_, err... yes... ls -l just lists files and folders, /etc/alternatives/ was the folder and is the link that for example iceweasel uses to access the flashplugin.
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15:48<thor_>I see
15:49<TCW>thor_, for example... just run: update-alternatives --config
15:49<TCW>thor_, do you see a table with two or three entries (alternatives)?
15:50<thor_>Yes, each has a status and priority
15:50<TCW>thor_, and it asks you to enter a new number... right?
15:51<thor_>Either that, or keep the current choice
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15:51<TCW>thor_, right... so now you know how to change the config for _every_ package that uses that alternatives mechanism on debian, great, isn't it? ;)
15:52<thor_>I'll know it better once I've used it a few times, and memorise all these commands :) But yes, I am pleased
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15:53<thor_>But that's the way for all commands
15:53<TCW>thor_, pencil, paper... ever heard of it? ;) Or in these modern times, a textfile on the desktop may be even a better idea ;)
15:54<thor_>Good idea
15:55<thor_>ls -l lists files and folders
15:55<TCW>thor_, there is a debian-reference-card somewhere, with some usefull command-line-tools and how to use them... but I find it kinda too crwoded and confusing... but you may like it (search google for it)
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15:56<TCW>thor_, and... in generel it is a good idea to start learning to read manpages... they are 24/7 there and even offline useable! ;)
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15:57<thor_>It's a printable reference card. Now for the fun of installing printer drivers. I wonder if I could use generic ones from apt-get install insertgenericdriverhere
15:57<king>i come from indonesia
15:57<will>How to fix a broken package from stable to unstable? o_O
15:57<king>where are u?
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15:58<valdyn>!fix will
15:58*dpkg takes will to the vet for a "special" visit.
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15:59<will>valdyn: can you tell me how can you use Sawfish without crashing your system?
15:59<TCW>thor_, with printers on GNU/Linux... it is either "they just work" (if the print system is installed, mostly cups these days) or just don't... for some that don't work the manufacturer may have a "driver" to download, but that is often just pita...
16:00<thor_>It works :)
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16:00<devil>thor_: for printer compatibility and drivers, check
16:01<sney>making a printer that doesn't understand postscript natively should be a war crime.
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16:01<valdyn>pcl is not a problem
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16:01<thor_>My printer works perfectly, it is no trouble
16:02<TCW>thor_, no idea about the chances... but I guess a fair amount of printers just work, especially older ones.
16:02<will>sney: Are you kidding?
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16:02<thor_>It's a few years old
16:02<Lanz>Those using unstable with the nVidia driver, don't upgrade for a bit, glx is broken
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16:03<sney>will: exaggerating, maybe.
16:03<will>I guess so.
16:03<TCW>Lanz, a bit too late... roughly a day too late :p
16:04<sney>surely apt-listbugs would let you know about that one.
16:04<will>Lanz: Unstable is always broken.
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16:04<thor_>Oh dear. I think I may have upgraded
16:04<sney>thor_: don't worry, you're not using sid
16:05<Lanz>will: no harm in a heads up for those who haven't upgraded :)
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16:05<TCW>thor_, that does not count for you... sid is the development edition / version of Debian, you should not even think about using it! :)
16:05<devil>will: you are not making sense
16:05<thor_>I understand
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16:06<will>devil: that's your point. ;-)
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16:06<sney>esl or markov bot? we may never know.
16:06<devil>will: thats what i know from daily experience for almost 10 years. saying sid is always broken is even more wrong than saying sid is never broken
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16:07<will>more really?
16:07<sney>'unstable' is clearly the word you gents are looking for
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16:08<thor_>Now then I have printed off and folded the reference card :)
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16:09<eshat>when I call dhclient -v etho, I get a DHCPOFFER but somehow dhcp ignores it, why ?
16:09<thor_>It's actually very helpful
16:11<thor_>Can anyone recommend a good Usenet news client that supports NZBs?
16:11<TCW>What is NZBs?
16:12<retrospectacus>,info nzb
16:12<judd>Package nzb (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: An nzb based Usenet binary grabber. Version: 0.1.9-1; Size: 103.2k; Installed: 296k; Homepage:
16:12<retrospectacus>!tell thor_ about search
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16:12<TCW>But I use pan (which just sucks with huge newsgroups) or icedove (thunderbrids name in Debian)
16:12<retrospectacus>thor_: ''apt-cache search nzb''
16:13<valdyn>TCW: nzb is a commercial newsgroup service popular to get free ( as in beer ) software
16:13<will>Like Windows?
16:13<TCW>valdyn, you mean a porn-leecher?
16:14<thor_>nzb is not a service. It's a type of file.
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16:14<valdyn>im confused then
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16:14<valdyn>right, I am, I meant usenext
16:14<retrospectacus>,info lottanzb
16:14<judd>Package lottanzb (net, extra) in squeeze/i386: simple and automated Usenet downloader for Newzbin (NZB) files. Version: 0.5.4-2; Size: 3898.9k; Installed: 6032k; Homepage:
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16:15<retrospectacus>"Newzbin" files
16:15<thor_>It's incredibly similar to how .torrents work, they point the usenet news client to the location of a file
16:15<TCW>So just a compressed / encoded binaries
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16:15<thor_>It points to the location of a binary, it isn't the actual binary
16:15<TCW>thor_, I beg to differ, at least if that works like in every normal newsgroup
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16:15<will>thor_: but users doesn't share their bandwidth I guess?
16:16<thor_>Read please
16:16<will>Yes I can!
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16:18<TCW>ah... so you download a nzb file from the web, and feed that to the nesclient which fetches then the files... ok, still not very close to torrent, but not as far as I thought either :)
16:19<TCW>newsclient even
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16:19<thor_>It's similar in the way you feed a .torrent to the bittorent client and it downloads it, it was the easiest way I thought to explain it :P
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16:21<TCW>thor_, btw. how did you fix your dualhead setup?
16:22<thor_>I used gedit as a super user, and used the config generated by Nvidia X config tool, and pasted into the right one.
16:22<thor_>pasted the generated config into the correct file
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16:23<TCW>thor_, may I see the content you pasted?
16:23<thor_>Most certainly
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16:24<TCW>thor_, uups....
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16:25<TCW>thor_, that's a lot of unuseful / not needed stuff in it... but as long as it works... :)
16:26<thor_>Yep, works perfectly
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16:26<TCW>there's even (oh my... I guess I should go to sleep)
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16:26<thor_>Now then, to find a Linux newsclient that supports .nzbs
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16:27<thor_>It appears the client I use in windows has a linux counterpart, how fortunate!
16:27<TCW>thor_, apt-cache search already tried?
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16:27<thor_>I'll use the same one I use in windows
16:28<TCW>is it in debian?
16:28<thor_>Because now, I get to learn how to install .deb files
16:28<thor_>using dpkg
16:28<thor_>How exciting!
16:29<TCW>thor_, why dpkg directly?
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16:29<thor_>I googled how to install .deb and that's what came up ;)
16:30<thor_>Right click and GDebi package installer you say? Why not?
16:30<thor_>Much simpler
16:30<TCW>thor_, ahh... you have a deb file downloaded! When one says "in Debian" it means in the Debian repositories (main mostly) and not from an external source.
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16:31<thor_>It's okay though, it's installing dine
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16:32<devil>thor_: dpkg -i <package> might be finished before gdebi starts
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16:32<thor_>Until I attempt to click the heading under Applications-Internet that is, and it doesn't open
16:32<devil>thor_: what .deb did you get from where?
16:33<thor_>Binreader from their website
16:33<TCW>thor_, so open a terminal and try to run it there... it may give a very helpful output
16:33<devil>link please?
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16:34<devil>thor_: all these versions are labled ubuntu, they might not work under linux
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16:35<devil>s/linux/debian :)
16:35<TCW>devil, s/linux/Debian/ :p
16:35<TCW>Oops :)
16:35<towo`>starting as root is also a dumb idea
16:36<thor_>What do you mean devil and TCW?
16:36<devil>thor_: the .debs were packaged for ubuntu, might not work in debian
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16:37<TCW>thor_, apart from running as root (don't do it!), "binreader: symbol lookup error: binreader: undefined symbol: _ZN9QListData11detach_growEPii" is the actual reason why it does not work... and that is what devil meant.
16:37<devil>thor_: thats a bad habbit you find more and more on the net
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16:37<TCW>ack... a "Debian package" which actually is not a "Debian package"...
16:37<thor_>Darn, so I'll have to find a different newsclient
16:38<devil>TCW: yes, they even mention it suitable for debian. grrrr
16:38<sney>it probably worked when lenny was testing
16:38<gnugr> ♥ Debian
16:38<TCW>thor_, in general if you get packages from the web, have a look if they match your system as close as possible... e.g. Debian squeeze should be in the description.
16:38<sney>but they don't keep those things consistent.
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16:40<devil>thor_: apt tells me, nn is suited for usenet
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16:40<TCW>thor_, in the case of binreader... the company that made those packages just screwed up badly...
16:40<thor_>I may be in luck:
16:40<thor_>devil: what is nn?
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16:41<TCW>thor_, now you are not :) apt-cache policy binreader
16:42<devil>TCW: ups, its not in unstable or testing, first thing i checked
16:42<thor_>It says the stable release is 1.0, which is the version I installed
16:42<thor_>Meaning it isn't going to work?
16:42<TCW>thor_, please paste it
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16:44<towo`>thor_, and? it's for ubuntu, not debian
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16:44<TCW>thor_, now just do: apt-cache policy bash and see the difference...
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16:45<thor_>Oh dear. time to find a new newsclient downloader thing then
16:45<TCW>thor_, you do now understand what apt-cache told you?
16:46<thor_>I think so
16:46<TCW>thor_, then lets hear it :)
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16:47<thor_>Well it told me that binreader works on version 1.0 but my bash is version 4.1?
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16:47<TCW>thor_, *eeks* no!! *lol*
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16:47<TCW>But that is a very interesting interpretation! :)
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16:48<thor_>Is it more about the version table then?
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16:48<TCW>thor_, no :)
16:49<thor_>I'm not sure then to be honest
16:49<TCW>thor_, it is fairly simple, but a completeley different thing.... you remember what I told you about "in Debian"?
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16:49<devil>thor_: nn is a usenet newreader (apt-cache search newsreader)
16:49<TCW>devhe needs / wants one with some special features... and nn is out of the question
16:49<TCW>devil, even
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16:50<thor_>TCW I honestly don't remember "in Debian", sorry
16:50<TCW><TCW> thor_, ahh... you have a deb file downloaded! When one says "in Debian" it means in the Debian repositories (main mostly) and not from an external source.
16:50<devil>TCW: guess so :)
16:51<thor_>Oh yes! I remember
16:51<thor_>That then makes sense to me
16:51<TCW>thor_, how so?
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16:51<thor_>That showed the location of bash in the repositories, yet it doesn't show the location of Binreader, implying binreader is not in the repositories?
16:51<sney>ding ding ding
16:52<TCW>thor_, BUT... as it is installed now (even if it is broken) apt "knows" it, and so apt-cache show shows it.
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16:52<thor_>Thanks, I am now enlightened ;)
16:53<thor_>Hence the location was on my HDD, and not an internet address?
16:53<thor_>(And there was only one location)
16:53<TCW>thor_, that /var/lib/dpkg/status thing?
16:54<thor_>Yeah, I think
16:54<TCW>thor_, apt-cache policy <a package you have NOT installed>
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16:55<TCW>I guess kde-base may qualify there as a package you may have not installed
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16:55<thor_>Unable to locate package
16:55<thor_>Does that mean it isn't in the repositories?
16:55<devil>TCW: that one is gone
16:55<TCW>oops, sorry... kdebase-bin
16:56<devil>TCW: its kde-standard now
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16:56<TCW>devil, damnit... debian moves too fast!! ;)
16:56<thor_>It points to it's location on the repositories, but bot on my computer, as it isn't installed
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16:57<thor_> /var/lib/dpkg/status is the installed location then?
16:58<TCW>thor_, that /var/lib/dpkg/status is NOT the location the package is installed too... in that file dpkg (the basic package-manager) just stores information about installed packages
16:59<thor_>Oh, I understand
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16:59<TCW>so that may be seen as the "source" of information apt-cache used
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17:00<alex28>i'm sorry if this is dragging anybody off topic, but does anybody know how to set up a grub password with grub2? grub-md5-crypt isn't a package I found anywhere, and isn't included in grub2
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17:00<devil>alex28: grub-md5-crypt is only part of grub-legacy
17:01<devil>alex28: and for an answer, no idea :(
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17:02<alex28>is there any other way to secure it so that it can't be muddled with in Single user mode?
17:02<devil>thor_: as for, where packages get installed: different parts of a .deb package go to different places under /
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17:03<riley__>hey guys, why does emacs sometimes start an gui and other times just opens in the terminal?
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17:03<riley__>when i type $emacs?
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17:04<riley__>anyone know how to force emacs to open a x11 window
17:04<alex28>devil: thanks
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17:05<cthuluh>riley__: just type 'emacs' (if you have xemacs installed)
17:05<cthuluh>you also need DISPLAY to be set properly
17:05<riley__>i just usually ssh -X
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17:06<riley__>or -Y ... what is the difference?
17:06<cthuluh>just read the fine manpage
17:06<riley__>i did
17:06<riley__>i just dont understand the difference
17:06<cthuluh>however, if you connect to a headless server
17:07<cthuluh>there's no reason that xemacs is installed
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17:07<cthuluh>look if emacs23-nox is installed, or the generic emacs23 package
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17:08<mimmu>Hi. Can someone tell me the command to view all file systems attached to the computer? I have tried df but it only shows mounted drives, I want to see all that are connected, not just mounted
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17:09<TCW>mimmu, maybe fdisk -l?
17:09<devil>mimmu: fdisk -l
17:09<deni>ka ndo nje shqiptar
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17:09<deni>te me ndihmoj pak
17:09<Guest4736>alguien sabe como cambiar el nick?
17:09<catsup>mimmu: ls /dev/disk/by-something
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17:09<deni>ka ndo nje shqiptar te me ndihmoj pak
17:10<deni>nqs nuk e ka besdi
17:10<devil>deni: wrong language
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17:10<catsup>where 'something' is either 'id' or 'path'
17:10<towo`>deni, no one can understand you
17:10<TCW>Before he is kicked... what language is that?
17:10<deni>or italian
17:10<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:10<deni>thnx dpkg
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17:11<devil>tztz, talking to bots... :)
17:11<TCW>ok... then albanian reads "sounds" harsh :)
17:11<dpkg>hmm... al is Albania
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17:11<catsup>i guess dpkg don't speak albanian
17:11<devil>please try the italian channel
17:12<devil>or spweak EN here
17:12<devil>speak, even
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17:12<thor_>Now to sort out drivers for my PCI Express Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio sound card, so I can use mumble
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17:12<MrFrood>devil: bots can be fun :)
17:12<devil>no bout adout it
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17:13<mimmu>I am trying to mount a external HD that shows up in the file browser but whenever I click on it to mount it, I get the error "invalid mount option" and it wont go. This same HD mounts just fine on bsd, windows, and my other debian computer. This one is running debian lenny. How can I go about troubleshooting this?
17:13<TCW>thor_, PCI "express" Soundblaster? OOps...
17:13<TCW>mimmu, is it ntfs formated or fat?
17:14<TCW>mimmu, Gnome?
17:14<devil>mimmu: try with ntfs-3g
17:14<thor_>What do you mean TCW?
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17:14<TCW>thor_, basically I wasn't aware creative labs still functions as a company and build PCIe soundcards...
17:14<mimmu>ntfs-3g is installed already. Yes, I am using Gnome
17:15<devil>mimmu: then use it as mount option
17:15<thor_>Some of the best :)
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17:15<retrospectacus>mimmu: did you install debian from a USB stick? If so there is probably an erroneous cdrom entry in /etc/fstab causing that problem
17:16<mimmu>retrospectacus, I may have, I dont remember was a long time ago. Should I just remove the cdrom line from the fstab?
17:16<towo`>thor_, what does cat /proc/asound/cards say?
17:16<mimmu>devil, I can't find the name of the device. the name that goes like /dev/hda1, etc
17:16<TCW>mimmu, first check if that entry points to the USB drive
17:17<towo`>mimmu, fdisk -l
17:17<TCW>mimmu, fdisk -l, paste it
17:17<towo`>mimmu, if it is not there, then there is nothing to mount
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17:18<retrospectacus>mimmu: maybe, you'll need to decide based on the device names. If the cdrom line in fstab is for /dev/hda and that is also your external, that's the problem. Solution is to delete the line from fstab and re-plug
17:18<thor_>towow' :
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17:18<TCW>thor_, that reads like only the onboard soundcard is listed
17:19<mimmu>fdisk! arg, I could not remember that command. Ok, fdisk gives me /dev/sda1 which is not mentioned in /etc/fstab
17:19<towo`>thor_, and btw, use the tab-key
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17:19<TCW>mimmu, file -Ls /dev/sda1 and paste
17:19<devil>mimmu: fdisk -l
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17:20<thor_>My headset works, and I hear sound, and that's plugged into the onboard, meaning onboard is working. My mic is also plugged into onboard, but I can't seem to get that working... let alone my 5.1 system plugged into my soundcard
17:20<mimmu>file -Ls /dev/sda1 gives me: "/dev/sda1: x86 boot sector"
17:20<devil>thor_: 2 soundcards need a bit of love
17:20<TCW>mimmu, nothing else?
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17:21<mimmu>thats all
17:21<towo`>ls on a dev can't get more
17:21<devil>thor_: unless you want to kill the onboard by blacklisting it
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17:21<TCW>towo`, "file -Ls"
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17:21<towo`>oh, my old eyes
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17:21<thor_>Truth be told, I don't mind constantly using my headset, but I do want to get my mic. working
17:22<TCW># file -Ls /dev/sda1
17:22<devil>thor_: mics are a different story :)
17:22<TCW>/dev/sda1: x86 boot sector, Microsoft Windows XP Bootloader NTFS (german), code offset 0x52, OEM-ID "NTFS ", sectors/cluster 8, reserved sectors 0, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, hidden sectors 63, dos < 4.0 BootSector (0x80)
17:22<retrospectacus>mimmu: are you sure fdisk -l didn't mention sdb?
17:22<towo`>thor_, modprobe snd-ctxfi && cat /proc/asound/cards
17:23<devil>mimmu: its about time we see a paste of fdisk -l
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17:23<TCW>mimmu, at least "something" like that I would expect from a not-somehow-broken ntfs volume.
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17:23<thor_>modprobe command not found
17:24<TCW>thdid you try that as user?
17:24<TCW>thor_, even
17:24<towo`>thor_, do it as root
17:24<mimmu>the commands:
17:24<thor_>I need to get the hang of when to use root and when not to
17:25<TCW>mimmu, but try that on the command line / xterminal: mkdir /mnt/test; ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/test; ls -l /mnt/test/
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17:26<devil>mimmu: sda1, 320 GB?
17:26<TCW>thor_, it is fairly simple... almost the same as in windows... install / configure (globally for all users) the system as root, use / run / play / whatever software as user.
17:26<Silicium01>I want to setup passwordless ssh login to remote site via RSA keys. I was wondering, do I need to have same username on local machine as I have on remote machine?
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17:26<towo`>thor_, lsmod | grep snd
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17:27<devil>mimmu: you have a hda and a sda device
17:27<towo`>hda - must be an acident kernel
17:27<thor_>at this stage TCW I don't know what a command does by looking at it yet
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17:29<retrospectacus>mimmu: there's no sda in fstab for sure?
17:29<TCW>thor_, I guess the context of the actual issue should tell you that... but where did you not know root account is needed?
17:29<mimmu>ah, success, I got it to work with the ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/test/ command
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17:30<thor_>For example, to use modprobe
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17:30<retrospectacus>mimmu: you should still fix fstab so you don't have to do it manually every time
17:30<TCW>thor_, you know what modprobe does?
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17:31<TCW>retrospectacus, it is a hotplugable media, it has no sense to use fstab there...
17:31<towo`>thor_, your card seems driven by snd-hda-intel
17:31<mimmu>retrospectacus, yes, I will try one thing and reboot the computer. Hopefully it will work
17:31<retrospectacus>exactly - fstab has a CDROM entry for sda which makes the hotplug not work
17:31<thor_>What does that mean towo?
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17:32<towo`>thor_, it's a "bad" hardware-setup, since your internal chipset is even driven by snd-hda-intel
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17:32<Silicium01>shit, I think I just locked myself out of my remote machine
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17:33<TCW>towo`, how do you see that from the lsmod output?
17:33<thor_>So, what can be done to fix it, All I need is my mic. to work
17:33<TCW>retrospectacus, oh... so he *has* an entry for sda in fstab? Did miss that paste then...
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17:34<TCW>thor_, did you check the mixer channels?
17:34<TCW>and if in doubt, I mean *all* of them :)
17:34<retrospectacus>TCW: I never managed to get fstab out of him. I've just seen that exact thing here like 20 times
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17:35<thor_>I will check each one now TCW
17:35<TCW>retrospectacus, so it still is just a conclusion and not a fact :)
17:35<TCW>thor_, in general... try all as user first, then think, then ask, then run as root :)
17:35<retrospectacus>sure :)
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17:36<towo`>TCW, not only from the lsmod
17:36<devil>Silicium01: there is different ways to do so. an elegant one is failtoban :)
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17:38<devil>fail2ban even
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17:38<TCW>towo`, what else?
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17:38<mimmu>Hi again! I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who helped me out, I got the thing to work and mount without problems now. Hooray!
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17:39<devil>mimmu: after reboot?
17:39<TCW>mimmu, but just manually I guess?
17:39<mimmu>Nope, automagically, etc
17:39<retrospectacus>what did you change?
17:39<TCW>mimmu, in gnome by choice?
17:39<towo`>TCW, /proc/asound/cards and reading, that snd-hda-intel is a driver for x-fi to from the debian-xfi-wiki
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17:40<Silicium01>How do I control which user I connect to when I use rsa ssh authentication?
17:40<riley>hey- how do i delete lines from a file?
17:40<mimmu>well for one, apparently ntfs-3g was not installed properly by the owner of this computer so I reinstalled it and then did the manual mount (worked) but then I did a reboot and it showed up in the fstab automatically and now i dont have to manually mount it and it doesnt require root to mount it
17:40<riley>like delete line 1-30000 from sshblaster.log
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17:41<retrospectacus>riley: tail -n30000 sshblaster.log > sshblaster2.log
17:42<retrospectacus>riley: sorry that will give you the bottom 30000 lines
17:42<TCW>"head" does exist :)
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17:42<riley>can i do it in vi?
17:42<devil>mimmu: it would be strange if it shows in fstab automaticaly. even more so its an external device and does not belong in fstab
17:43<riley>like delete *everything* before my cursor
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17:43<mimmu>devil, sorry, not in fstab, but it mounts automatically thats all i really care
17:43<mimmu>anyway, thanks. i am off to bed now.
17:43<devil>mimmu: ok, that sounds sane
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17:45<thor_>Is there a way I can see all of my audio channels, and which are currently playing, so I can see which one my mic. is
17:46<devil>thor_: alsamixergui
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17:46<TCW>thor_, more or less... first see alsamixer on the commandline / xterminal (as user, not root)
17:47<retrospectacus>riley: in vim, to delete from the current line to the top of the file, type: dgg
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17:50<riley>thanks restropactiuz!
17:51<TCW>thor_, cursor key right... and you will see the channels that do not fit in the terminal window
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17:51<thor_>I'm using the gui TCW
17:51<devil>riley: there is nick completion, no need to create new nicknames :)
17:51<thor_>Is there nothing that shows bars that move up and down as the mic does? I want to identify my mic channel
17:51<riley>how do i do nick completion?
17:52<devil>riley: re TAB
17:52<devil>restropactiuz is also nice :)
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17:53<devil>but must be considered a fork
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17:54<riley>if you dont take it- i will
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17:55<devil>you forked it, its yours
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17:55<devil>nah, not really
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17:57<thor_>Fantastic, I have isolated my mic, it now works
17:57<TCW>thor_, \o/
17:57<TCW>thor_, was it just muted / shut off?
17:58<thor_>No, the problem was there were over 25 different devices to choose from, and I didn't know which one was my mic.
17:58<TCW>thor_, channels, not devices :)
17:59<thor_>That's what I mean
17:59<TCW>and yes... alsa mixer channels can be very... confusing :)
17:59<thor_>I'm not even going to attempt to get sound to play through my speakers, I'll use my headset when using Debian :)
18:00<TCW>thor_, speakers are connected to the SB?
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18:00<thor_>Speakers connected to the soundcard, headset connected to onboard ;)
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18:17<thor_>I just want to thank everyone for all the help I've been given, thanks, goodbye
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18:38<Silicium01>I can not seem to get the RSA authentication working on one remote server, is there a way to troubleshoot?
18:38<Silicium01>the user that I generated public/private key pair is different from user that I'm logging into on remote machine, could that have something to do with it?
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18:40<retrospectacus>Silicium01: the public key needs to be in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys for user@remote
18:40<retrospectacus>troubleshoot with ssh -v user@remote
18:41<Silicium01>retrospectacus, that's where it is
18:41<Silicium01>and I chmoded that file 600
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18:41<retrospectacus>and ~/.ssh must be 700
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18:42<TCW>Silicium01, an error message could help... I guess :)
18:42<retrospectacus>troubleshoot even more with ssh -vv user@remote, or ssh -vvv or even -vvvv
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18:42<retrospectacus>outputs more and more messages
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18:43<Silicium01>retrospectacus, authmethod_is_enabled publickey is this on remote?
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18:45<dpkg>Insufficient Data For Meaningful Answer
18:45<Silicium01>retrospectacus, is it ok if I pastebin results?
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18:47<retrospectacus>of course
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18:47<Silicium01>retrospectacus, is it safe to do so?
18:48<retrospectacus>you can obfuscate IPs and usernames if you like. The rest should be fine
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18:49<Silicium01>that's using -vvvv
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18:51<Silicium01>retrospectacus, username on remote machine is different from user on local, I dont know if that matters
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18:52<retrospectacus>looks like your key was just rejected. Was it generated by ''ssh-keygen -t rsa'' or something else?
18:52<Silicium01>just ssh-keygen
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18:54<Silicium01>Does it look like server accepts it though?
18:54<Silicium01>Is there a way to tell?
18:54<retrospectacus>mine says
18:54<retrospectacus>debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply
18:54<retrospectacus>debug1: Server accepts key: pkalg ssh-dss blen 435
18:54<Silicium01>I mean can I tell is server in general accepts rsa?
18:58<retrospectacus>ah I think there are rules you can set in sshd_config to disallow RSA
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18:58<Silicium01>I dont have access to that file on remote machine
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18:58<retrospectacus>can't tell from your paste. All I can see is it rejected your key.
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19:00<retrospectacus>Silicium01: you can get in with the pw though? Verify that ~/.ssh is chmod 700, ~/.ssh/auth.. is 600 and your public key did not get broken (line breaks) in that file
19:00<daemonkeeper>ssh-copy-id ftw
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19:01<retrospectacus>also that thing, which I have not used but dpkg recommends it if you /msg dpkg ssh without password
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19:01<alex>i need help
19:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:01<alex> to intall gnome 3
19:01<dpkg>GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>.
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19:02<Silicium01>retrospectacus, password login works
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19:02<Silicium01>checked permissions
19:02<Silicium01>still nothing
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19:03<retrospectacus>alex: gnome3 is not available in debian stable. If you really want to try it and want IRC support you may go to #debian-next
19:03<alex>and i have problem wid KDE 3.X
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19:04<daemonkeeper>KDE 3 is deprecated, Squeeze comes with KDE 4
19:04<alex>i install "nVIDIA" drivers and star every time to fail
19:04<daemonkeeper>How do you install them?
19:04<alex>and say "kwin IS unstable it seem to have crash .. run metacity"
19:04<will>the joy of proprietary drivers!
19:05<daemonkeeper>what? What exactly are you doing?
19:05<retrospectacus>Silicium01: how many keys are in authorized_keys ?
19:05<retrospectacus>alex: please read the !ask thing above and try again
19:05<will>he said he installed nVidia drivers with comes from nVidia by definition
19:06<alex>i dont now a one time pup up a window tellme... to install "nVIDIA" driver. and i tink " ok". and later [ booom ! ]
19:06<daemonkeeper>There are at least three ways to install nvidia drivers
19:06<Silicium01>retrospectacus, just one
19:06<alex>kwin fail
19:07<will>alex: did you install from the non-free repository or from the nVidia website?
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19:07<alex>yes , i install from [ non-free] :-(
19:08<retrospectacus>Silicium01: and ''wc ~/.ssh/authorized_keys'' says 1 3 398 or so?
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19:09<Silicium01>it says 0 0 0
19:09<will>non-free packages are not supposed to belong to Debian but still supported by maintainers
19:09<retrospectacus>Silicium01: that would indicate there is no data in there
19:09<retrospectacus>Silicium01: 0 lines, 0 words, 0 bytes
19:09<TCW>alex, squeeze?
19:09<will>I'm wondering if #debian support that
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19:10<alex>yes :-)
19:10<alex>tcw, yes
19:10<retrospectacus>Silicium01: so your local pubkey is simply not there on the server
19:10<Silicium01>retrospectacus, sorry
19:10<TCW>will, why not? At least a fair amount of users have nvidia GPUs here in their boxes...
19:10<Silicium01>1 3 394
19:10<Silicium01>I did something wrong
19:10<Silicium01>data is there
19:11<alex>wath about unistall nVIDIA drivers ???
19:11<will>TCW: because it's not free but at least we should support the package for installation
19:11<TCW>alex, so teh bug devil showed you does not concern you... ok, what is your exact issue?
19:11<will>not for bug fixing
19:11<will>out of the package
19:12<daemonkeeper>will: social contract §5
19:12<TCW>will, sorry.. what are you talking about now? :)
19:12<dpkg>DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see
19:13<retrospectacus>Silicium01: well I am not sure. You could try using a DSA key, or try that ssh-copy-id command
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19:14<alex>tcw, wen i inpout the passw. to start session
19:15<alex>they appear 5 icons . one by one
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19:15<alex> but the 5th icon (kde ) thy no appear
19:16<Silicium01>retrospectacus, does username@host in the end of key matter?
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19:16<will>I don't think §5 applies to support for proprietary software since they don't belong to Debian (stable).
19:16<retrospectacus>Silicium01: no
19:16<alex> and then onnly view a little windows tellme "KWIN is unstable " choice metacity kwin
19:16<TCW>alex, you login in kdm and then there is a KDE icon after login? O_o
19:16<retrospectacus>Silicium01: let me confirm that
19:17<TCW>alex, KDE tells you to use metacity?!
19:17<primary>How do I get HDMI audio working on my Intel HD Audio? aplay -L shows it on Card 0, device 3. Alsamixer only lets me manipulate device 0. I'm using a GMA4500HMD on a G45 chipset with a ICH9 HD Audio controller according to lspci. I have HDMI video working. The alsa driver is 1.0.23 and my intel xorg driver is 2.13.0 using kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64. Thanks in advance
19:17<alex>never apper KDE icon
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19:17<retrospectacus>Silicium01: no it can be anything
19:18<daemonkeeper>will: We neither support software in main (as in a SLA).
19:18<alex>yes , and i press button [ ok ] . and do noting
19:18<Silicium01>I guess it's disabled then
19:18<Silicium01>I just with there was a way to confirm this
19:18<TCW>alex, sorry... somehow I don't get you...
19:18<MrFrood>!tell will about gnewsense
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19:19<retrospectacus>Silicium01: you can't ''grep -i rsa /etc/ssh/sshd_config'' on the server?
19:19<retrospectacus>Silicium01: I got RSAAuthentication yes
19:19<Silicium01>no, cant cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config
19:20<retrospectacus>permission denied?
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19:21<retrospectacus>welp that is probably the case. Make and use a DSA key for that box
19:22<Silicium01>retrospectacus, will try, but I guess that could be disabled too
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19:22<Silicium01>ssh-keygen -t dsa ?
19:22<alex>tcw , takns
19:23<retrospectacus>Silicium01: yep
19:23<alex>do you now one comand to nVidiar drivers .... like "aticonfig --initial"
19:23<retrospectacus>Silicium01: unlikely, I don't see a directive to disable dsa, and it did ask you for *a* key
19:24<retrospectacus>(keys in general are not disabled)
19:24<alex>daemonkeeper tnks
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19:25<Silicium01>retrospectacus, that did not help
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19:25<Silicium01>dsa is not working either
19:25<TCW>alex, there is not "one" command... I suggest you try the wiki:
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19:25<Silicium01>retrospectacus, oh well, it's ok. Thank you for all your help
19:26<retrospectacus>Silicium01: :\
19:26<alex>oks tnks. i have alot to read :-O
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19:27<TCW>That kind of... mexican-english was really... interesting
19:28<retrospectacus>they must have turbo-spacebar buttons or something eh
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19:34<Silicium01>retrospectacus, do you by any chance know what the program is called where you store passwords? like storing private key pass for example?
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19:36<retrospectacus>Silicium01: I don't, but /msg dpkg ssh - there are some linked factoids that might tell you
19:37<Silicium01>retrospectacus, thank you
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19:55<jhutchins_lt>Silicium01: The ssh manpage says how to use the agent, and you could also do apropos ssh for the other related commands.
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19:56<Silicium01>jhutchins_kc, what's apropos?
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19:56<TCW>Silicium01, a command
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20:03<jhutchins_lt>Silicium01: It means "related to" and is a command to find related man pages
20:04<jhutchins_lt>Hm, must have lost the main net link if I'm jhutchins_kc upstairs.
20:04<Silicium01>is gnome keyring a different thong from seahorse?
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20:04<Silicium01>and when is ssh-agent appropriate to use?
20:04<Silicium01>I'm just so confised with all this
20:05<jhutchins_lt>Silicium01: You should pick one that's appropriate to how you use the system.
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20:05<jhutchins_lt>ssh-agent works from the command line.
20:05<Silicium01>does that include terminal in gnome?
20:06<TCW>Silicium01, yes
20:06<Silicium01>so when would I use gnome keyring and seahorse?
20:06<Silicium01>I just need to wrap my head around this
20:06<Silicium01>Can you guys recommend a good guide?
20:07<TCW>Silicium01, if you want to store passwords / keys for gnome apps
20:07<TCW>Silicium01, for example, evolution stores pop/imap/smtp passwords in there.
20:08<Silicium01>TCW, I see, this is starting to make sense
20:08<Silicium01>and gnome keyring and seahorse are different things?
20:08<TCW>put you can import / store all sorts of keys there iirc.
20:08<Silicium01>so I could store my is_rsa in there/
20:09<Silicium01>and ir would not be in .ssh/ any more?
20:09<TCW>Silicium01, apt-cache show ... ;)
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20:09<cthuluh>Silicium01: seahorse/whatever would cache the key
20:10<cthuluh>Silicium01: then you would have to authenticate upon seahorse to get the right passphrase and unlock your id_rsa (automatically)
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20:11<Silicium01>is there a good guide out there you guys could recommend? On how all this works generally? (Or I can keep asking questions if you don't mind)
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20:12<TCW>Silicium01, guide for what exactly?
20:13<Silicium01>ssh-agent, gnome-keyring, seahorse, what each is for, how they are different, etc
20:13<Silicium01>like what's the difference between gnome-keyring and seahorse?
20:13<Silicium01>and what's a "keyring"
20:13<catsup>read the gpg manual
20:13<TCW>Silicium01, as said... apt-cache show [seahorse|gnome-keyring|ssh-agent|...]
20:14<catsup>that might not help if you don't even know what a keyring is
20:16<TCW>Silicium01, a thing you put your keys on to have them all in one place... usually worn in the pocket of your pants ;) it is a metaphore... so in this case it sores them not on a metalring, but in some files, encrypted...
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20:20<jhutchins_lt>Silicium01: Again, the ssh manpage is a wealth of information as well.
20:20<Silicium01>yeah, I will go through all manpages and read online
20:20<jhutchins_lt>Silicium01: This can be done very simply, very easily, but is a very complex and broad field of information.
20:21<Silicium01>It's very confusing for me at the moment
20:21<nadir>try this as a start, it seems like an overview:
20:21<nadir>not try, sorry: you could ~try~
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20:25<Silicium01>I'm looking at passwords in seahorse, looks like I've saved some stuff. There's even a password for my login on a website. I didnt know browsers interacted with seahorse
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20:43<Silicium01>I can't find gnome keyring manager package in squeeze
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22:12<th>how to add SATA_ALPM_ENABLE=true in /etc/pm/config.d/ ?
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22:29<Praxis>apt-get is crashing with a Traceback complaining about a stanza in my /var/lib/dpkg/status: That is line ~39 in this pastebin: Any suggestions to unjam the package manager?
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22:33<dondelelcaro>Praxis: `. <-- this line is wrong. it should be ' .'
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22:35<Praxis>I'll try removing the ' dondelelcaro
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22:37<Praxis>Seems to be progressing, thanks dondelelcaro
22:38<Praxis>Now we'll see if KDE 4.6.3 hoses my system.
22:40<Praxis>I'm getting a dependency error now with versions of KDE programs. Is it generally OK to just "apt-get -f install" or should I let my testing system rest a day or two to let the repos sync up? I'm not looking for a guarantee or anything.
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22:51<sunsceen2>where can i get a sid package to down grade to xorg-video-intel 2.14
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22:54<sunsceen2>bah ;(
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22:56<sunsceen2>ah handy handy
22:58<sunsceen2>apt-get remove xerver-xorg-video-intel
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23:04<sunsceen2>ah it wont install now cause of the unmeetable dependancy
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23:05<sunsceen2>this has now officially royally fucked me off jesus what on god green earth are the intel xorg devs doing to us ;(
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