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00:29<ayaka>I know how to install pcf fonts,but when I see Xorg.conf File section don't have any path,we don't use pcf fpnts by default?
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00:50<ayaka>I would how to install pcf fonts?
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00:51<KerrMD>Evening all.
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02:25<TheyMountedMe>I am looking for a populated database to learn some sql commands with does anyone know of some sample databases?
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02:35<jm_>just install your own and play with it - after all, it makes sense to learn how to create a DB too
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03:25<classical>my squeeze does not saves setting after logout or restart
03:26<classical>when i set colors in gnome terminal and icons in desktop after reboot i need to do this thing again
03:26<classical>i thing it might not write this in configuration file
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03:52<deskey>hello to all
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03:53<deskey>is there any tool i can check my network monitoring?
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03:53<deskey>just to check who else is connected to my wifi/router
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03:55<deskey>bluewater : is that a command line app
03:55<deskey>no GUI based?
03:56<deskey>like the look@lan
03:57<bluewater>cant recall , my router has a log that shows me who is connected , so i use either or depending on my mood
03:57<deskey>let me try that first instead of loading so many apps on the system
03:57<deskey>i have an aztech...geeez
04:00<bluewater>netdiscover is really tiny, Installed-Size: 568
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04:01<deskey>i am using that now.. and its shows 3 machines .. but when i log in to the router itself i can see 5 machines.. !!!!
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04:11<bluewater>deskey: from memory netdiscover does not show your own machine
04:11<deskey>ok... i guess its better like you say use the logs from router
04:13<bluewater>deskey: well , router for me shows also the switched off machines that are not unplugged, whereas netdiscover shows active connection . minus your pc
04:14<deskey>thats a plus point
04:14<deskey>my intention was just to check is any other clients are connected to my router other than my son,wife
04:15<bluewater>yep, so depends on my mood which one i use,, heh
04:15<th>i have inet6 addr: fe80::800:27ff:fe00:0/64 Scope:Link
04:15<th>but i can't ping it
04:15<th>ping6 fe80::800:27ff:fe00:0 result: connect: Invalid argument
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04:18<Arrowmaster>is your mac address 00:00:00:00:00:00?
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04:18<deskey>bluewater : thanks for the hint
04:18<th>HWaddr 0a:00:27:00:00:00
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04:19<Arrowmaster>oh its just a weird mac
04:19<th>well, it's not a real hw. it's vboxnet0
04:20<th>the exact same result happen to my eth0 too
04:20<th>ping6 fe80::226:2dff:fe95:b808
04:20<th>connect: Invalid argument
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04:20<Arrowmaster>i get the same
04:20<Arrowmaster>but ping6 ::1 works
04:21<th>and, if i add a new addr using ip addr add anewaddr dev vboxnet0 and ping6 it
04:21<th>it works
04:21<th>on eth0 too
04:22<Arrowmaster>maybe you cant ping Scope:Link addresses
04:22<th>ping6 ::1 also works here. so does it mean that link local address are not ping6-able?
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04:23<th>hmmmm, i can't grasp what this link local thing is
04:24<Arrowmaster>supposed to be non-routable addresses for use in a lan i thought
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04:25<th>ah, i need to stick a big RTFM to my head: ping -I eth0 fe80::226:2dff:fe95:b808 works
04:26<th>i need to add -I arg when ping6ing a link local address
04:26*th have just opened man ping6 for the first time in life
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04:28<th>now this makes sense since link local supposed to work only in that particular network segment
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04:28<th>Arrowmaster, does the ping6 to link local work there?
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04:29<Arrowmaster>yeah when i add the -I eth0
04:29<Arrowmaster>and nothing else on my network supports ipv6
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04:31<th>mine too... can be decades before i need to setup a real ipv6 net
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04:33<Miguel0n>After last upgrade of Xserver-xorg-core, I can't enable desktop effects
04:34<Miguel0n>neither KDE or Gnome
04:35<Miguel0n>Debian Testing, intel GM965
04:35<Miguel0n>where can I get the name of the error at least?
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04:36<Miguel0n>because Im just told "enable desktop effects have been suspended by another app"
04:37<devil>Miguel0n: as i told you in the other channel, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
04:37<jm_>read the topic to find out where to ask about debian testing
04:37<devil>does it have lines starting with EE?
04:38<Miguel0n>thx devil, but i realized that it happens in Gnome too so it's not KDE related. Im gonna check the lines
04:39<devil>gotta run. later
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04:39<Miguel0n>thx jm_ ill go there
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04:50<ajf>The instructions for assigning multiple IP addresses don't seem to work for me on Debian squeeze. Only the first IP address on eth0 is assigned. Any ideas?
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04:53<jm_>what happen if you run ifup eth0:0?
04:53<eightyeight>has anyone worked with the new advanced format drives in debian? i'm getting severe performance issues, even after aligning the partitions at 4k sectors
04:54<ajf>address: Unknown host
04:54<ajf>ifconfig: `--help' gives usage information.
04:54<ajf>Failed to bring up eth0:0
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04:56<jm_>eightyeight: I have it
04:57<jm_>ajf: and both eth0 and eth0:0 IP-s are resolvable both ways?
04:57<eightyeight>jm_: what performances are you seeing on writes?
04:57<eightyeight>jm_: and, how did you put it together?
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04:58<jm_>eightyeight: I don't remember the exact figures, but it's OK; I partitioned it with windows 7 since I installed that first
04:58<jm_>I can test with bonnie I guess
04:58<ajf>jm_: I doubt it. But since when was that a requirement?
04:59<jm_>ajf: perhaps try ifup -v and compare what it does for both
05:00<eightyeight>jm_: yeah, no windows here. just debian. using parted(8) to align the partition at the 4k requirement, then using mkfs.ext4(8) to put down the fs, and still get ~900KBps writes, which blows for sata disks
05:00<jm_>I remember ifup having an issue with eth0:0 in older debian (2.x) releases, but not quite it was
05:00<jm_>eightyeight: which sector did parted put it at?
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05:01<jm_>quite what it was even
05:01<eightyeight>jm_: i specified 64
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05:02<eightyeight>jm_: to start, that is, and '-1' for the end, of course
05:02<jm_>eightyeight: did you verify with fdisk? which drive?
05:02<eightyeight>jm_: fdisk doesn't supprt gpt, which i'm using. i guess i could try dos-style partitioning...
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05:03<eightyeight>jm_: i have 4 of these guys. i want to put them in a raid 5 array, but when doing so, i see ~2MBps for the array, which is draconian at best
05:03<jm_>eightyeight: ahh, I use old style partitions
05:04<eightyeight>jm_: so, i'm testing as i go. partition, filesystem, test. partition, raid, failesystem, test. finally, partition, raid, lvm, filesystem, test
05:04<ajf>jm_: Running ifup -v gives ...
05:04<ajf>jm_: ifconfig eth0:0 address netmask broadcast up
05:04<ajf>address: Unknown host
05:04<jm_>eightyeight: did you also test without RAID?
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05:05<jm_>ajf: and if you do this for eth0 it becomes?
05:05<eightyeight>jm_: yes. that's the first step, and that's where i'm seeing issues. created the partition with parted(8), then put down ext4, and tested performance
05:05<eightyeight>jm_: what is the starting location for your partition on the drive?
05:06<ajf>jm_: Gotta be careful. I don't want to disconnect my ssh session. I'll see if I can replicate the issue on a less important machine.
05:06<jm_>eightyeight: it's at offset 1M which is how windows creates it, did you verify if your drive has 4k allignment jumper and that it's set in proper position?
05:06<jm_>ajf: but that usage looks OK to me and it's as if ifconfig doesn't recognize eth0:0 syntax
05:07<eightyeight>jm_: i did not. is this something i should look at? i figured with sata drives, default would be fine?
05:07<jm_>wait no, I think one can't say "address IP" but "IP" only
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05:07<jm_>eightyeight: I would check that first thing yes
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05:09<ajf>jm_: You're right. Removing 'address' fixed it.
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05:09<eightyeight>jm_: did you move your jumper then? and to where? doing a google search seems to say 7-8?
05:11<eightyeight>jm_: yup. jumpers 7-8 is the trick according to WD. thx. i'll start there, and get back to you
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05:13<jm_>eightyeight: heh I don't remember what it was set to, let me look on their web page
05:13<ajf>jm_: So, I guess I file a bug report? But against which package? Am I seriously the only person since squeeze was released to notice that the documented method of adding multiple ip addresses doesn't work?
05:14<ajf>The same config syntax works fine in Lenny.
05:14<jm_>ajf: I would first check BTS for ifupdown
05:14<petemc>im using aliased interfaces on squeeze with no problems
05:14<ajf>jm_: I take it all back
05:14<ajf>jm_: I must be going crazy or something
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05:15<ajf>jm_: My config file contains address twice! What an idiot!
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05:15<ajf>jm_: Thanks for helping me find the issue though.
05:15<jm_>ajf: heh ok
05:16<ajf>jm_: And apologies for being a screw loose today!
05:16<jm_>ajf: no worries
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05:28<Quite>i would like to take the opportunity to thank you guys behind debian for a very nice linux distribution. i have been away from unix for many years. i started out with slackware in 1995, after that freebsd for some years. unfortunately it's not quite up to snuff anymore. i have tried other linux distros like opensuse and more recent slackware, but none of them is as stable as debian.
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05:32<lindi->Quite: we could use more help :)
05:32<Quite>anyway, great distro
05:32<Quite>keep it rollin'
05:35<lindi->Quite: still, if you have any free time left please consider helping us
05:35<Quite>if i can, by all means
05:36<lindi->Quite: if you started in '95 you probably have the skills to help in at least one area
05:36<Quite>i should add that i run debian on a weird compaq presario cq56 laptop, and the sound chip isn't recognized correctly in squeeaze, but usb audio works alright, so i don't care very much
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05:36<Quite>squeeze even
05:36<Quite>i suppose so, yes
05:37<Quite>although i'm a bit "unix rusty" at the moment.... i've been using windows for some years
05:37<lindi->not sure if my hardware is more weird or not. openmoko struggles to keep up with all the new bug..features in debian unstable :)
05:37<Quite>although i have used perl there, so the programming knowledge is kind of intact
05:37<Quite>i don't do much C in winblows
05:38<Quite>well... those laptops are evil beasts
05:38<Quite>i'm all laptop nowadays
05:38<Quite>for better or worse
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05:40<Quite>i tried wheezy a bit, and the sound chip is recognized correctly there, on the other hand it's... not as stable as squeeze by definition
05:40<Quite>i can live with no sound from the internal speakers until the next stable release
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05:41<Quite>that will be in 2013, i gather
05:42<Quite>or something like that
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05:43<Quite>i thought ubuntu was pretty ok until i discovered the bugs in Unity... mouse not responding at times, among other things
05:43<Quite>that was enough for me to ditch it
05:43<Quite>and slackware crashed when i plugged an USB flash drive in
05:44<Quite>never had any major issues with debian so far
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05:45<Quite>s/never/i haven't/
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05:45<Quite>oops.... split
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05:47<Quite>that cdrtools saga is quite interesting...
05:48<Quite>i haven't had any problems with wodim so far, in spite of what Mr. Schily says
05:48<Quite>i supposed some bugs have been fixed since his outrage
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05:48<Quite>suppose, rather
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05:50<anaa>q tal??
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05:50<Quite>soy bien, gracias
05:50<Quite>or something like that
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05:53<XayOn>Quite: should be "estoy bien"
05:53<Quite>ah yes.... my bad french again
05:53<Quite>i had one year of spanish way back
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05:55<miggs>hello. will I miss anything if I install xserver-xorg-core instead of xorg on debian installation?
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05:56<classical>hey again
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05:56<classical>why is in squeeze old version of wine ?
05:57<lukas>I'd say its more stable than the new one
05:57<devil>classical: wine is always way behind, also in unstable
05:57<Quite>i suppose it's because they only include well tested stuff in the stable releases
05:57<classical>lukas, wine-1.0.1 is unsupported
05:57<Quite>i don't think wine will ever be really stable
05:57<devil>classical: sid has 1.0.1-3.1 0
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05:58<Quite>thankfully i have a separate windows box
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05:58<devil>thankfully i dont need one
05:58<Quite>well, that's for some music software that isn't available in linux
05:58<classical>i'm trying to install Vsphere client on linux box it needs dotnet 3.0
05:59<classical>but cant manage to install it inside wine
05:59<devil>classical: there is a repositiry for wine at winehq
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06:00<devil>with 1.3.xx
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06:00<classical>i'm going to install it via
06:00<classical>deavid, where is repo ?
06:01<Quite>don't tell me there's a "wine-stable"!
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06:02<classical>quasisane, the say that 1.3 is stable
06:02<classical>quasisane, ups sorry
06:02<eightyeight>jm_: so, i don't have any jumpers, unfortunately, but i can head over to my local radio shack, and get some on the cheap. hopefully, this fixes my woes
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06:02<linuxthefish>Dose anyone know a good webserver for a 256mb VPS with 300+ users online?
06:03<petemc>i run apache on a machine with less ram and more users
06:04<classical>linuxthefish, ngnix
06:04<Quite>don't try this at home
06:04<linuxthefish>yere, i was thinking about that
06:06<Quite>i ran windows xp on a p3 1 ghz with 256 mb ram for years
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06:06<Quite>unfortunately that mobo only has usb 1.1
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06:08<Quite>now i run windows 7 home premium on a samsung laptop with core i5 and 4 gb ram
06:08<jm_>eightyeight: hmm does it say what the default is?
06:08<Quite>but it's more fun to use the crappy compaq with linux on it
06:09*Quite shuts up
06:09<eightyeight>jm_: yes. default is nothing shorted, SSC and OPT1 disabled
06:09<eightyeight>jm_: according to their own docs, pins 7-8 need to be shorted to use the advanced format
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06:11<eightyeight>jm_: sucks i have to wait 6 hours before the local radio shack opens. oh well. maybe i should get some sleep in the meantime
06:11<eightyeight>jm_: i appreciate your help!
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06:16<jm_>eightyeight: no worries
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06:25<classical>how can i install packages which is in testing distribution ?
06:25<classical>like: i want to install libssl1.0.0 and it is in wheeze's repos not in squeeze
06:26<classical>if i add wheeze repo i think i will break whole system
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06:28<babilen>!tell classical -about ssb
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06:31<codinGenesis>can any one help i got banned from ubuntu servers ??
06:31<codinGenesis>and i don't even know for what i got banned !!
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06:34<babilen>codinGenesis: What exactly do you think #debian can do about it?
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06:35<codinGenesis>if anyone here can help me up, i am new to xchat and linux...!!
06:35<codinGenesis>babilen: no need to get rough ...!! :(
06:36<codinGenesis>if you can't help than's taught linux is all about sharing and collaborating now where are those ideals???
06:37<babilen>codinGenesis: I am not getting rough, but there honestly is nothing we (i.e. users in the #debian channel) can do about it. You might want to ask in #ubuntu-ops why you are unable to join. But please try the following first:
06:37<babilen>!ubuntuirc codinGenesis
06:37<dpkg>codinGenesis: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
06:38<codinGenesis>sorry for being in the wrong place and thanks for the help :)
06:39<babilen>codinGenesis: Good luck!
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06:41<codinGenesis>babilen: thanks
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06:42<XayOn>Epic multiplayer notepad Black_Prince
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06:44<purkka>can i have some tips howto go on with mailserver config. i have exim4 and i can send mail using my own dns name but cannot receive any. do i need something like fetchmail or should exim be enough?
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06:44<petemc>receiving mail would be controlled by dns
06:45<jm_>purkka: it depends on where mail is delivered
06:45<jm_>see above from petemc
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06:47<purkka>thx, i'm quite a new debian user.. so should exim4 be enough with correct configuration, cant find good tutorials about building mailserver..
06:48<jm_>try explaining your setup first
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06:50<purkka>well i have debian server running, it has own domain name. exim4 is installed. i send mail via smtp-server
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06:53<jm_>and you also receive it there?
06:54<purkka>jm: probably not cos its not receiving any, how can i configure that
06:56<jm_>purkka: <petemc> receiving mail would be controlled by dns
06:58<purkka>thx, ll l take a look
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07:26<classical>babilen, wine is not in debian backports
07:29<babilen>classical: yes?
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07:36<scinl>The virtualbox package in Debian Wheezy is excellent. My first time running it and it looks so clean, like good enterprise software! Thank you Sun\Oracle!
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07:40<classical>babilen, i wanted to install wine via backport but it seems that there is no wine package
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07:41<babilen>classical: Yes, there is no wine package in backports.
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07:41<babilen>classical: I don't quite see what you expect me to do about it. You can try to backport the wine-unstable package yourself by following "/msg dpkg ssb" but I have no idea how easy that is.
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07:42<classical>what packages is included in backport ?
07:42<classical>im asking because i cant find anything i wanted
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07:42<babilen>classical: Packages from testing that have been deemed important/interesting enough to be included.
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07:53<gomoran>Has the wheezy-upgrade destroyed opengl with radeon-cards?
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07:55<Lantizia>OK I just tried to install a package with "dpkg -i" ... but it has dependency issues... I've changed my mind and don't want it any more... how do I get debian to forget I tried to install it?
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07:57<jm_>Lantizia: purge it
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07:57<Lantizia>jm_, ah but see the package I was trying to install is a later version of one already installed - thus I don't want to purge it
07:58<Lantizia>just make it forget about needing to install it
07:58<scinl>This might be a dumb question, but if I'm running a virtual machine, I need to update it with security updates for that OS and all of that good stuff, right?
07:58<babilen>gomoran: Check and paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- I guess that you need to pull libgl1-mesa-dri from sid in order to get the new multiarch dri libs. Follow up questions in #debian-next please.
07:59<scinl>What happens if my virtual machine, running off 5% of my Debian HDD, gets a virus or something similar?
07:59<jm_>Lantizia: in that case it alredy replaced the old version so install that one back with dpkg
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08:01<Lantizia>jm_, aha i understand now - thanks
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08:03<jm_>Lantizia: no worries
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08:07<zem>scinl: depends on your config, if the VM has no access to network and linux disks you are pretty safe, allthou some viruses do recgnise they are running inside a VM (or at least so i heard), the more access you give to your VM, more "dangerous" it becomes
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08:08<classical>im trying to update my libltdl7 2.2.6b-2 to 2.2.6 my when im trying to remove old libltdl7 first but it will take up whole system
08:09<classical>is there any way that i delete only libltdl7 ?
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08:11<jm_>classical: where did you find version 2.2.6?
08:12<scinl>zem; Thank you SO much! That answers all my questions except a new one that I have... do I need to install graphics card/hardware drivers etc on my Virtual Machine OS or no since my Debian OS has all that stuff optimized already?
08:12<classical>jm_, in wheezy
08:13<jm_>classical: wheezy has version 2.4-2
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08:14<classical>ups pardion
08:14<classical>i meant 2.4-2
08:15<jm_>classical: no, this is normal if you mix stable and testing
08:15<classical>okay so there is no why to uninstall old one and install 2.4-2 ?
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08:16<jm_>upgrade to testing is the only viable solution
08:17<SynrG>classical: btw, if you're mixing testing and stable, what you tend to end up with is a testing system. if you're going to do that, see #debian-next
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08:17<SynrG>if you had intended to keep a (mostly) pure stable system with some updated things, you should be using backports.
08:18<classical>SynrG, the concept of backport is nice, but i cant find anything what i needed
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08:25<mr>good morning to all
08:25<mr>guys anyone know why when i launch this command in terminal "lspci | grep Network"
08:25<SynrG>classical: backports can be requested.
08:25<mr>i cannot se nothing
08:26<SynrG>classical: see the list
08:26<devil>mr: i cant either ;)
08:26<jm_>!wayttd mr
08:26<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, mr?
08:26<devil>mr: it means the word Network is not is lspci output
08:26<mr>i'm tryng to configure kismet
08:26<mr>but i cannot find my wireless card
08:27<mr>to configure it
08:27<mr>any help it
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08:27<mr>sorry i'm italian my english is really bad i know ...
08:27<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>.
08:27<jm_>go to the wiki page and find your driver
08:27<babilen>mr: Could you paste the complete output of "lspci -nn" to ?
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08:28*jm_ expets the paste to end in #debian
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08:28<mr>i already have the driver of my wirelss card installed
08:28<mr>i know is a atheros card
08:28<mr>but i don't know how to configure
08:28<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
08:28<mr>ok sorry
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08:28<jm_>why do you care about lspci then ...
08:29<mr>because is the only way can help me in configuring kismet
08:29<mr>anyone can help me to configure now for my ubuntu ?
08:29<babilen>mr: You are using Ubuntu?
08:29<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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08:29<rumen>hello i need some help. i am running under ubuntu 11.04. i use vbox ose and Installed ubuntu 10,04? how to map or mount a drive in ubuntu guest machine. i have downloaded and installed virtual guest addition.
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08:30<jm_>ubuntu assault
08:30<babilen>rumen: See what dpkg just said about ubuntu :)
08:30<mr>yes i'm using ubuntu 11
08:30<rumen>is the dpkg
08:30<SynrG>mr: and if you're slavishly following doc that has you grep for a specific string in lspci and haven't the knowledge to figure out to grep for another string, maybe you should take up another hobby
08:30<babilen>mr: Please ask in the ubuntu channel in that case.
08:30<mr>o sorry i'm inside in debian channel
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08:30<babilen>!ubuntuirc rumen mr
08:30<dpkg>rumen mr: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
08:30<mr>holy crape shit sorry about guys have goodday
08:31<devil>mr: sure, didnt you wonder why you got so many answers?
08:31<babilen>mr: You too :)
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08:31<SynrG>devil: point
08:31<Zaba>hrm.. so I have an integrated usb card reader in my laptop, and it works fine, provided a card is inserted before bootup. It doesn't seem to detect card (dis)appearance on runtime at all
08:31<mr>i don't know how to change channel in ubuntu xchat
08:31<Zaba>nothing in dmesg, no devices added/removed in /dev
08:31<Zaba>what gives?
08:32<babilen>mr: dpkg just told you and provided a link that you can click and XChat will connect to the referenced channel (i.e. #ubuntu on
08:32<scinl>mr: To change your xChat client to the proper channel, put in a bootable Debian disc and hold the power button on your machine for 5 seconds. When it goes to BIOS settings, ensure that BOOT FROM CD is your first option.
08:32<Zaba>mr, /server, then /join #ubuntu
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08:34<SynrG>Zaba: could be the device isn't powered on. maybe the acpi module for your hardware knows how to do that?
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08:35<SynrG>Zaba: what's the hardware, btw?
08:35<SynrG>eeepc has an integrated cardreader. and the eeepc_laptop kernel module knows how to power on/off the device
08:35<scinl>!dpkg gpasswd
08:36<Zaba>SynrG, thinkpad x120e, Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0bda:0158 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. USB 2.0 multicard reader
08:36<babilen>scinl: Please use "/query dpkg" or "/msg dpkg topic"
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08:39<Zaba>SynrG, it's weird. I booted up with a card inserted, and could read/write it just fine. Afterwards, I removed the card---and now I have a stray /dev/sdb1
08:39<SynrG>Zaba: does lspci show the device if you boot without a card in it?
08:39<Zaba>(lsusb does)
08:39<SynrG>did you 'safely remove' the card?
08:39<Zaba>and a /dev/sdb always shows up, too
08:39<SynrG>(most desktops provide a menu entry to do that)
08:39<Zaba>I unmounted the filesystem, yes
08:40<SynrG>stray? what do you mean by that, then?
08:40<Zaba>there's no card, but the device is there
08:40<SynrG>right. i wouldn't expect removal of the card to make /dev/sdb1 go away
08:40<Zaba>it normally does
08:40<SynrG>did you 'umount' or use your desktop's 'safely remove'?
08:40<Zaba>I don't have a desktop
08:41<SynrG>my hazy recollection is that umount doesn't remove the device
08:41<SynrG>whereas 'safely remove'
08:41<Zaba>udev is supposed to remove the device
08:41<SynrG>er, does
08:42<Zaba>but it's not a problem that the device stays. Or that it doesn't get created. That's just a consequence of the fact the kernel doesn't provide the userland with any events related to the device.
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08:42<Zaba>and that appears to be a consequence of that the kernel doesn't get any events related to it, either, since no card manipulation creates any messages in dmesg
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08:42<SynrG>in fact, that caused some issues for me testing live images because i wanted to ensure the live system didn't have the card mounted (so i could install onto it) but the device must exist so the installer, running via the desktop-launcher, could actually find it and install to it
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08:43<Zaba>normally, I'd expect 'attached scsi removable disk' and the related bulk of messages, but I don't get that when inserting a card
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08:43<Zaba>I only get it when I boot up with a card inserted
08:43<SynrG>the only way for me to accomplish this was to open a terminal and umount the drive, which does not remove the device.
08:44<SynrG>so my testing in this area runs contrary to your assertion that "udev is supposed remove the device"
08:44<Zaba>SynrG, this problem is well beyond /dev management, since not even the kernel seems to see the card
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08:44<Zaba>unless it's been there since bootup. And in that case, it doesn't notice its absence.
08:45<SynrG>is there a thinkpad-specific acpi module?
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08:45<Zaba>there is, but it doesn't seem to do anything related to the card reader
08:45<babilen>SynrG: there is (thinkpad_acpi)
08:45<SynrG>if so, does it provide an interface via /proc or /sys for powering off/on devices? if so, you might try toggling the device off/on to see if it helps.
08:45<SynrG>ah. too bad.
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08:46<SynrG>anything at all under, say, /sys/class ...
08:46<babilen>Zaba: There might be information on (in case you haven't checked it already)
08:46<SynrG>that might indicate you have a power toggle for the device?
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08:48<Zaba>babilen, that doesn't seem to have any details regarding the card reader..
08:50<SynrG>/sys/class/block/sdb/power/ maybe?
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08:56<Zaba>if I do, for example, echo 100 > /sys/class/block/sdb/events_poll_msecs, it starts recognizing a card that gets inserted
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08:56<Zaba>the default is -1
08:57<Zaba>but it still doesn't seem to recognize removal of cards..
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09:19<miggs>is the package gnome-core the equivalent of kde-plasma-desktop in debian? i'm looking for minimal gnome installation
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09:22<SynrG>miggs: the two aren't directly comparable as the different teams (kde, gnome) have different ideas about what's 'core' and what's not
09:22<SynrG>debian packaging teams, i mean
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09:23<SynrG>that being said, gnome-core is what i use when i want a minimal gnome install
09:23<miggs>SynrG: what about the second part of my question? what should I choose for minimal gnome?
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09:24<SynrG>of course, 'minimal', by definition, omits things you may want
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09:24<SynrG>that's yours to discover and install a la carte as needed
09:24<SynrG>for newbies i don't recommend a minimal install
09:25<miggs>why not?
09:25<SynrG>each desktop project (upstream) designs the suite so that things 'just work' if you install the full suite
09:25<SynrG>newbies frequently trip on missing things if they do a minimal install instead
09:26<SynrG>a subtractive approach may be better. install a standard desktop and then remove only the things you're certain you don't need. the downside to the subtractive approach is that it may leave 'cruft' on your system ...
09:27<miggs>i understand
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09:28<miggs>what about you? what do you install for start? xorg, ( part of xorg? ) gnome-core and gdm?
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09:29<miggs>or a different dm..
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10:39<xDDD>How you happens?
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10:40<xDDD>You can speak Spanish!
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10:41<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:42<adrianoc>hi, i have problems with gwibber back proxy, i'm use debian 6 and gwib 1.2 from repository.
10:43<adrianoc>exists solution to thie ? gwib back proxy ?
10:43<devil>adrianoc: you will have to define problems
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10:44<adrianoc>well, i try ... i have erro msg: Unable to load pageProblem occurred while loading the URL file:///usr/share/gwibber/ui/themes/gwilouche
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10:49<SynrG>what gwibber version?
10:49<SynrG>oh, you said 1.2
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10:49<SynrG>what exact version?
10:50<SynrG>apt-cache policy gwibber
10:50<SynrG>what does it say for "Installed:"
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10:53<SynrG>you should use LANG=C when generating output for us to review
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10:53<SynrG>anyway, yes, that matches what's in squeeze. just checking
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10:56<SynrG>hard to say. maybe something messed up in the themes configuration. i see no relevant bug about this ...
10:56<SynrG>can you try it with a fresh config?
10:56<adrianoc>in log gwibber, i have error: HTTPError: HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized
10:57<SynrG>does ls -l /usr/share/gwibber/ui/themes/gwilouche indicate you should be able to see these files?
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10:57<SynrG>ls -la i guess, so you can see the permissions on the directory itself
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10:59<SynrG>i don't see any permissions issue.
10:59<SynrG>i gotta go to lunch. good luck
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10:59<adrianoc>SynrG, ok, thanks.
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11:04<xDDD>hijos de perra comerme er nabo Ok di Yes!
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11:05<kop>!es social
11:05<dpkg>social: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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11:19<toumbia>how i can configure the init process when i boot, like to don't start wicd by default ?
11:19<sney>with update-rc.d
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11:21<sney>kato: do you have a debian question?
11:21<toumbia>sney: thx
11:22<sney>kato: this is a channel for debian support. if you don't have a debian question, please go somewhere else.
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11:23<sney>it's a computer operating system.
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11:23<babilen>kato: #moocows is the social channel over here. You don't have to leave though and are welcome to idle. -- Yes, Debian (google that) and this is the official support channel.
11:23<kato>what's mean?
11:23<babilen>!tell kato -about debian
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11:26<kato>I see
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11:31<kato>china frist here,tell me where can chat?i
11:31<babilen>kato: Go to #moocows -- "/join #moocows"
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12:07<__Alex_>What does it mean, if an Aplication shows me this error? "Segmentation fault"
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12:07<jhutchins_lt>__Alex_: It means it crashed. What program, what release, what architecture?
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12:08<__Alex_>Kega Fusion, 3.63x, i386, A sega emulator
12:08<__Alex_>It worked yesterday
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12:10<jhutchins_lt>__Alex_: So not a debian package?
12:11<__Alex_>No, it isn't. It isn't even Open source
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12:19<SynrG>__Alex_: it worked yesterday with the exact same game rom?
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12:20<__Alex_>It doesn't even execute now :(
12:20<SynrG>what changed between then and now?
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12:20<SynrG>any package upgrades?
12:20<haehnel>hallo. kann mir jemand sagen, mit welchen befehl ich eine iso mounten kann?
12:20<jhutchins_lt>__Alex_: You might look for "saved state" files - resume files for games, preference files, config files.
12:20<__Alex_>Well, My machine is a testing one, there were 50 updates today
12:21<pain>Hi I have debian + openbox. The kernel supports my laptop hardware.
12:21<pain>In ubuntu brightness changed without further action.
12:21<pain>Where can I find information on setting trap openboh keypad?
12:21<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
12:21<jhutchins_lt>haehnel: We can probably help you in english.
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12:22<SynrG>pain: how is the brightness related to the keypad?
12:23<SynrG>you mean you have special laptop brightness keys that don't work? that might have nothing to do with openbox
12:23<pain>as a gnome in ubuntu working fine without all the manipulation. Then on pressing a button, nothing happens. If the kernel supports the hardware, the problem I think in openbox
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12:24<SynrG>not necessarily
12:24<SynrG>what is the hardware?
12:24<SynrG>laptops tend to have different ways of supporting brightness controls
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12:25<pain>laptop that is officially supported kernel
12:25<SynrG>why be vague? i had a reason for asking that question.
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12:26<pain>where i can see man for it problem?
12:27<linuxthefish>Anyone know where my FastCGI config file would be hiding? I might aswell switch back to Apache...
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12:28<stillLotR>SynrG: it seems to be a language problem rather than intentional vagueness
12:29<SynrG>pain: what model of laptop?
12:29<pain>samsung r4 series
12:29<dpkg>Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i på FreeNode (, SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974.
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12:30<pain>it model support with 2.6.38
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12:30<linuxthefish>anyone? i've been trying to work this out for ages...
12:31<SynrG>pain: you're using wheezy, or squeeze with a backported kernel?
12:32<pain>squeeze + openbox + 2.6.39
12:32<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-34squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
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12:33<pain>problem in the interaction openboh with hardware, and probably need to set up a laptop special keys openbox
12:33<SynrG>pain: does pressing the key generate an appropriate key event? use 'xev' to find out
12:33<pain>i think
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12:34<SynrG>it should generate XF86MonBrightnessUp or something
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12:34<SynrG>xev is in the x11-utils package.
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12:36<pain>I know the hex codes keyboard, I need to specify the action to + -10% brightness.
12:36<pain>How do I know what command to send the hardware(or kernel or what)?
12:36<SynrG>pain: it may be that openbox provides no default mapping for these keys. when you said you had it working on Ubuntu, was that with GNOME?
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12:37<pain>i install ubuntu, update 2.6.38 and all work
12:37<SynrG>yes, but with which desktop or window manager?
12:37<pain>i see in change log where fix it my laptop on
12:37<pain>was ubuntu + gnome
12:38<pain>after xubuntu
12:38<pain>al lwork from box
12:38<pain>all work*
12:39<SynrG>echo 5 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness
12:39<SynrG>or some other value
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12:39<SynrG>(must be done as root)
12:39<SynrG>you say you know the 'hex codes' but i think you want the keysym
12:39<SynrG>if you run xev it will tell you the keysym
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12:40<SynrG>you can put that in your openbox configuration to run a script that sends values to /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness
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12:40<SynrG>although these instructions are for arch, something similar should work for debian:
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12:41<SynrG>(and yes, i know, probably not an exact match for your hardware ... but still relevant)
12:41<pain>I need to know opexbox example: "if (Ctrl + D) = for the team that there should be?"
12:41<SynrG>pain: the article i pasted has such an example.
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12:44<pain> /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness wow its work, now going options )
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13:18<jhutchins_lt>The wrong answer is the right answer in search of a different question. Collect wrong answers as part of the process. Ask different questions.
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13:25<dpkg>Evolution (formerly Ximian Evolution) is an email client and personal information manager for <GNOME>, an <Outlook> clone. Specify "hostname:port" for the SMTP server if using a port other than TCP 25. #evolution on
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13:37<__Alex_>I have a really strange problem. I have Debian Testing (Wheezy) with XFCE installed on my Acer Aspire One D255 Netbook. It works great, but when is connecting to wifi, using WICD, the whole Netbook freezes like for 17 seconds, and then works again.
13:37<__Alex_>Is there a way to fix this?
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13:43<cahoot>not without some sort of error msg - like from dmesg or syslog
13:44<__Alex_>But it works perfectly after the 17 sechonds of being freezed
13:44<__Alex_>When at GDM
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13:46<master_>hello for all
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13:48<cahoot>__Alex_, the point I was trying to make is: without some sort of strutured information your question is impossible to answer
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13:49<__Alex_>Ok. I'll jsut have to live with it :)
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13:52<__Alex_>Has anyone any kind of idea why is my integrated SD card totally ignored (Acer Aspire one D255), when i type 'ls -la /dev | grep sd', it only shows me sda and it's partitions, and also, dmesg also shows me nothing about it.
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13:54<rik_>Hi, does anybody know how to configure serial port access to the console users using policykit/consolekit? ACL's are automatically set for sound devices and cdroms. How can I also configure those ACL's for serial ports?
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13:57<lee>__Alex_: What is an integrated SD card?
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14:01<__Alex_>lee: IDK, it's inside a Netbook, how can i find out?
14:02<amphi>lspci should tell you
14:03<amphi>it shows 'SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 21)' here for mine
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14:04<amphi>__Alex_: with mine, the device file is /dev/mmcblk0 (and /dev/mmcblk0p1 for the partition)
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14:04<lee>__Alex_: What does fdisk -luc show?
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14:16<Silicium01>I generated rsa key pair for key ssh authentication. keys are in /home/user/.ssh dir. When I ssh into the remote machine, it logs me in without pasword. Now I tried connecting from root and it still connected me. Is this normal?
14:17<Silicium01>Should it not only wok for /home/user user?
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14:19<lee>__Alex_: Hm, yeah, it doesn´t show up there. Is there anything in lspci oder lsusb?
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14:21<__Alex_>It doesn't show absolutley nothing
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14:23<mkad>I have problem with connecting to vpn on Debian with network-manager any help?
14:24<kop>Silicium01: What are you typing to ssh in when root?
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14:25<Silicium01>kop, ssh usernamethathasaddeauthorizedkeys@hostthatI'
14:26<kop>Silicium01: Anyone who has the private key can use it to login as the user.
14:26<kop>Silicium01: You're not using -i privatekeyfile?
14:26<Silicium01>root does not have it though
14:26<Silicium01>o ly local machine only User has it in his .ssh dir, root does not have it
14:27<Silicium01>kop, not sure what -i privatekeyfile is
14:27<Silicium01>oh, the ssh option? no not usign that
14:27<kop>Silicium01: On the local machine you should have the private key and use that as the identity. On the remotemachine:/home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys you put the public key.
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14:28<Silicium01>kop, that's what I did
14:28<Silicium01>on loval machine however, private key is located in /home/user.ssh dir, and that user can connect with it, but also root can on local machine
14:28<Silicium01>is that how it works?
14:28<kop>Silicium01: What does 'id' say about your real and effective uid? (I suppose ssh could be trying to use your original uid, not roots....)
14:29<redum>Anyone know how to pair nokia 2690 via bluetooth, and use as a modem!
14:29<Silicium01>kop, id says 0
14:30<kop>Silicium01: Does not sound right. Try running ssh with -v or -vvv or whatever to see where it's getting it's keys/what it's doing for authentication.
14:31<kop>Silicium01: How are you becoming root?
14:32<Silicium01>kop, with su
14:32<Silicium01>debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
14:32<Silicium01>that's the line right?
14:32<Silicium01>there is no such file though
14:32<kop>Silicium01: Yes.
14:33<Silicium01>kop, that file does not exist
14:33<kop>Silicium01: So how then it is authenticating?
14:33<Silicium01>kop, I do not know, I thought it was abnormal so I came here to ask
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14:34<kop>Silicium01: Are you running ssh-agent or something? (The -v should be telling you how it's authenticating.)
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14:35<Silicium01>kop, I have not run anything myself, can it be running on it's own?
14:35<Silicium01>what should I look for in -vvv?
14:35<lee>__Alex_: perhaps the card isn´t connected via USB.
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14:36<kop>Silicium01: Dunno what to look for, other than something to do with authentication. (I suppose you could paste the output.)
14:36<Silicium01>kop, one moment
14:36<kop>Silicium01: I forget what runs ssh-agent or how it works. But it magically remembers keys.
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14:40<Silicium01>kop, never mind, wrong paste
14:40<Silicium01>one sec
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14:40<Silicium01>kop, that one is actually bu user, I will paste root now
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14:43<Silicium01>kop, here:
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14:46<kop>Silicium01: line 34 seems to be what's getting you in.
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14:47<Silicium01>kop, how is that happeneing?
14:47<Silicium01>how does root offer that public key though?
14:47<kop>Silicium01: Is "username@debian" the right username/host? If so then ssh probably tries to go there to look for the private key.
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14:48<Silicium01>kop, well, yes that's that's it set to, but does that mean anyone could use that?
14:48<kop>Silicium01: The server is offering the key, I guess, because it knows that that's one way to get in. Or that's how I read it.
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14:48<kop>Silicium01: Only the username on box debian, and root on box debian, can read that key (from the standard spot).
14:49<Silicium01>kop, I see
14:49<Silicium01>so I have nothing to worry about then
14:49<kop>Silicium01: You could try as another user just to prove it. (The other user should not have permission.)
14:49<Silicium01>kop I'll try that
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14:50<kop>Silicium01: And if you make a copy of the private key and use ssh -i to reference it you should again be able to get in as any user.
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14:50<Silicium01>kop, yes, other user on my computer was not able to login. so I guess root just looks up key son system
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14:50<Silicium01>Thank you for helping me out with this, I really appreciate it
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14:51<kop>Silicium01: I didn't know the server offered up the keys that might work....
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14:51<kop>Silicium01: Let me try it....
14:51<antonio>spanish ubuntu chat?
14:51<kop>Silicium01: (not to your box, with other keys/boxes I've got)
14:51<kop>!tell antonio about ubuntu-es
14:52<antonio>no found
14:52<Silicium01>kop, ok, let me know what you find
14:52<antonio>o is my irc
14:52<Silicium01>kop, do you think this could be a potential security issue?
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14:52<antonio>is "/join #ubuntu-es" ?
14:53<kop>Silicium01: Humm. Does not work. But then it's a very old sshd on the other end.
14:53<kop>antonio: You have to connect to first.
14:54<kop>Silicium01: No, but it sounds a bit odd for performance if there's lots of keys that are allowed in. Then again, how's the client supposed to know what identities to try?
14:54<antonio>a ok
14:54<antonio>my english is bad xD
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14:55<kop>Silicium01: I'd always supposed that it was up to the client to decide what identity to try. And maybe it is and I just can't figure out how ssh knew that you were originally a regular user.
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14:56<kop>Silicium01: You could closely read the docs. They are usually very good, if you actually read what's written.
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14:57<kop>Silicium01: Does your public key have a comment with user@box in it? That could be enough to trigger things. Just curious.
14:58<Silicium01>yes it does
14:59<kop>Silicium01: You could ask in the openssh channel. No doubt they know offhand under what conditions it uses that identity. (Let me know what you find.)
14:59<kop>Silicium01: You could try removing the comment and see if it still behaves that way.
14:59<Silicium01>ok thanks
15:00<kop>Silicium01: (Removing the comment in the authorized_keys file.)
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15:01<kop>Silicium01: (And there's still the question of ssh-agent hanging about in the air. It could cause such behavior. I don't expect it to be enabled by default though.)
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15:02<Silicium01>taking the comment out did not stop root from authenticating
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15:02<kop>Silicium01: :-/ (For all I know the identity is buried in the key, but I don't think so.)
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15:03<kop>Silicium01: What if you login as root directly from console (ctrl-alt-f2 or whatever)
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15:04<Silicium01>what does ctrl-alt-f2 do?
15:05<thuldin>it switches to another tty a screen where you can log in to a terminal and do your thing.
15:05<kop>Silicium01: When in X (or out of it) it takes you to another virtual terminal. X is on vt7
15:05<Silicium01>how do I get back?
15:05<dpkg>rumour has it, vt is Virtual Terminal, like the console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc. To get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and Alt+F7 to get back, most likely). You can also use "chvt" to switch VT. VT is also used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica), ask me about <xve>.
15:06<kop>Silicium01: When in X you need ctrl+alt+Fn When out of X just alt+Fn will do.
15:07<Silicium01>ok, let me try from there, one sec
15:08<Silicium01>kop, it did not log me in from there
15:08<Silicium01>asked me for pass
15:09<kop>Silicium01: So it has something to do with real and effective user ids. That makes more sense. (Or maybe it chases the process tree backwards?)
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15:09<Silicium01>any chance it's gnome doing something with seahorse>/
15:10<kop>Silicium01: I'm not sure what seahorse is but I'd say no.
15:11<kop>Silicium01: No.
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15:12<Silicium01>kop, so probably this login will not work with cron, and I nee dto actually generate keys for root
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15:13<kop>Silicium01: I wouldn't. Instead I'd use -i /home/user/.ssh/myprivatekey. Or generate a completely new key to use that way and keep it in /usr/local/etc/ or somewhere.
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15:13<kop>Silicium01: It all depends on what you're doing.
15:13<Silicium01>kop, good point
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15:14<kop>Silicium01: You may also be interested in the authorized_keys command=, no-pty, and other such restrictions. man sshd
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15:15<Silicium01>kop, thanks
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15:27<jankidudel>when cd: no such file.., when ls it shows, what can be wrong with the folder ? It also isn't appearing in search
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15:28<retrospectacus>ls -l
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15:28<retrospectacus>maybe a broken symlink
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15:29<jankidudel>folder permissions: drwxrwxrwx, isn't the same as other
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15:30<jankidudel>and I can't set his permission via console
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15:34<retrospectacus>jankidudel: what says ''stat $dirname''
15:34<retrospectacus>where $dirname is that directory
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15:35<jankidudel>retrospectacus, it says no such file....
15:35<jankidudel>retrospectacus, cannot stat
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15:50<jhutchins_lt>jankidudel: What are the ownership and permissions?
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15:52<jankidudel>jhutchins_lt, lietuvis :), permissions are for root, drwxrwxrwx
15:52<jankidudel>jhutchins_lt, and i'm logged as root
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15:52<jhutchins_lt>jankidudel: Sounds like a dead symlink.
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15:53<jankidudel>jhutchins_lt, do you know what could be the solution for this ?
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16:01<jhutchins_lt>jankidudel: Well, you could do a shutdown -Fr now and check the disk for inconsistencies.
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16:01<jankidudel>jhutchins_lt, no, that happens all the time, by the way, are you from lithuania ?
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16:01<jhutchins_lt>Without knowing a lot more about your system and how you ended up with this problem, I really can't suggest anything else.
16:01<jhutchins_lt>Nope, USA.
16:02<jankidudel>jhutchins_lt, I can give you all the info, just say me what do you want :)
16:03<jhutchins_lt>Sorry, gotta run. I'll be back in a couple of hours. Good luck!
16:03<jhutchins_lt>(Just got a text.)\
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16:03<jankidudel>jhutchins_lt, bye , thanks
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16:04<s_i_m>jankidudel, describe your problem
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16:05<jankidudel>s_i_m, my problem is I can't make search by the typing folder characters, all folders are showing , but one of them has probably dead symlink(as other users told me)
16:06<jankidudel>s_i_m, how to recover it ?
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16:06<s_i_m>is that a system folder?
16:07<retrospectacus>jankidudel: can you make a pastebin of ''ls -l'' in the location of your broken folder
16:07<jankidudel>it's my folder under /username/Desktop
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16:07<jankidudel>retrospectacus, I can't even get to the 'CD'
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16:07<retrospectacus>yes I mean in the parent folder
16:08<retrospectacus>ls -la /home/username/Desktop
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16:08<jankidudel>drwxrwxrwx 5 jankidudel jankidudel 4096 Jun 15 22:00 vamako
16:08<jankidudel>this is broken folder
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16:09<retrospectacus>looks like its filename starts with a space
16:09<retrospectacus>cd \ vam<tab>
16:10<jankidudel>retrospectacus, yes, the hell, it works now :) thanks :)
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16:10<retrospectacus>mv \ vamako vamako
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16:11<jankidudel>so maybe anyone can suggest me any book to learn linux and in particular Debian family ? I haven't found any god resource apart almost non usefull references
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16:15<craigevil>debian bible by martin kraft, debian wiki, debian reference, aptitude manual, deb reference card
16:16<twobitsp1ite>jankidudel: also
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16:18<jankidudel>twobitsp1ite, thanks
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16:19<jankidudel>by the way , just tell me sincerely, who doesn't use WINDOWS at all ? :)
16:21<quinque>me :P
16:21<retrospectacus>I don't
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16:21<drewdavis>Haven't touched it at home since before XP. Haven't touched it at work since XP.
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16:28<Guest5012>hi all im searching for a light weight linux distro
16:28<Guest5012>based on ubuntu
16:28<Guest5012>or debian
16:28<Guest5012>if anzone has experience please share
16:29<retrospectacus>Guest5012: debian
16:29<retrospectacus>:) If you would like a different answer go ask somewhere else like #linux or google
16:29<Guest5012>i expect something debian based here
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16:30<towo`>here is #debian
16:30<towo`>not #somthing_based_on_debian
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16:30<retrospectacus>I can only suggest debian. There is no "something debian based" which is more light weight
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16:31<Guest5012>may be
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16:31<towo`>lighter than debian netinstall is nothing
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16:33<_neil_>Debian only ;)
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16:36<inSomNia>I have a Dell D505 and want to control the events when the lid is closed. Which config file do i need to edit?
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16:36<inSomNia>I use Squeeze
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16:37<drewdavis>inSomNia: Eeesh... you can script those events yourself, but it's kind of a pain. What WM and or DE are you using?
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16:37<drewdavis>xfce and gnome both have a powersave program that should work well with Openbox.
16:38<inSomNia>i need to disable whatever events are currently happening cause when I close the lid it freezes
16:39<drewdavis>xfce4-power-manager is probably what you want.
16:39<drewdavis>At the very least you can control whether the computer, sleeps, hibernates, or simply locks the screen when the lid is closed.
16:40<inSomNia>hrm. Ok. Problem is that even on a console the laptop freezes.. so I dont see an X program helping here
16:40<inSomNia>will give it a shot though
16:41<inSomNia>disabled ACPI and it was ok then, but when I do that X wont start
16:41<drewdavis>You may be freezing when the computer tries to sleep. Try googling your laptop model and acpi and see what you can find.
16:42<inSomNia>there seems to be a problem with D505's yes. Can't find a resolution via google though thus being on IRC
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16:43<inSomNia>even upgraded the bios. Still is a problem.
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16:43<inSomNia>I know that there used to be some kind of config file under /etc/events or somesuch but I cant see one in 6.01
16:44<dpkg>Suspend can mean either suspend to disk (hibernate) or suspend to RAM. The in-kernel suspend system has worked well since Etch; kernel patches such as <tuxonice> provide more features. Installing the pm-utils or hibernate packages along with a front-end like gnome-power-manager or <kpowersave> should be enough. See also <suspend troubleshooting>, <uswsusp>, <swapwake>, <noresume>.
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16:46<retrospectacus>inSomNia: I'd go ahead and install whatever GUI power management tool pulls least dependencies and try that
16:46<retrospectacus>probably the xfce one drewdavis said
16:46<inSomNia>ok cool
16:46<inSomNia>thanks, will give it a shot and see how i go
16:47<retrospectacus>k. I'm going for lunch, bbl
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17:06<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: Great work on the mystery folder.
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17:09<amiga-59>Hello :D
17:09<Silicium01>is there a utility I can use to determine what the maximum number of folders or files are in any folder in given path?
17:09<Silicium01>like recursively go through all folders and determine which ones have high number of files/fodlers in them
17:10<Silicium01>My rsnapshot is using over 80 MB memory (if top command is accurate) and I'm trying to see why
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17:22<weasel>Silicium01: hm.
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17:22<weasel>Silicium01: I suppose you could use find, have it print linkcounts, and sort by that for subdirs, or sort by size for approximate number of files
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17:33<chardry>j'ai besoin de votre aide
17:33<chardry>depuis un certain temps
17:34<chardry>il y a une erreur qui se produit lorsque je sais de vérifier les mises jours des paquets
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17:34<chardry>il faut que vous m'aidiez!
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17:35<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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17:44<salman>how to 'reload' my gnome panel from command line?
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17:45<XayOn>killall gnome-panel
17:45<jhutchins_lt>chardry: I'd love to help, but all the French I know I learned from wine labels.
17:45<retrospectacus>yep, it should start itself again
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17:48<salman>it does not seem to solve my problem:-( the panel is still 'hidden'
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17:49<retrospectacus>right click it - panel properties - autohide - uncheck
17:50<salman>retrospectacus, by hidden I mean, it is invisible, I can not see it but I can click on it. it just does not show up
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17:51<salman>I just click around like a blind man
17:52<retrospectacus>what do you think it should show? Maybe it doesn't have anything added to it
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17:53<retrospectacus>I have several panels. One has graphs, clock, notification area, another has the desktop switcher, another for the window list, etc.
17:54<salman>retrospectacus, ok. when I log to gnome I have a normal panel with menu and windows switcher, clock task ...etc
17:54<retrospectacus>just one panel? on the top?
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17:55<salman>but since yesterday when I added some -many- applications- I am having these strange problems. one of them is that the panel just gets invisible after clicking on some applets on it
17:55<salman>retrospectacus, yes, just one at the top
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17:57<retrospectacus>salman: what version of debian? What did you install yesterday?
18:00<salman>retrospectacus, I am running squeeze, I just installed some additional programs yesterday
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18:03<salman>retrospectacus, I also lost my windows 'frames' from all applications
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18:09<tolis>hello there
18:09<tolis>everything ok?
18:10<salman>no. I lost my gnome applications frames
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18:10<babilen>salman: It might help if you could let us know (probabale aptitude/dpkg logs) which applications you installed and what else was changed.
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18:20<topyli>salman: sounds like you have no window manager. if you can bring up a terminal, run 'metacity --replace' and see what happens
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18:20<craigevil>had that happen in lxde a couple month ago, no window decorations, never could figure out what caused it, switched back to kde
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18:21<salman>babilen, this is the last patch:
18:21<topyli>craigevil: that's one way to fix it, albet a bit dramatic :)
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18:22<craigevil>lxde was a switch from kde, didnt like kde4 when it first came out
18:22<salman>topyli, good. metacity --replace brought back my panel but I still have no frames or titles
18:22<craigevil>the weird thing was i had window decorations in openbox even lxde apps, but none in lxde which made no sense since lxde uses openbox
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18:23<topyli>salman: strange :\
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18:23<craigevil>salman, tried using a different theme?
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18:33<salman>topyli, when I select the appearance program from the menu the panel bar disappears
18:35<salman>craigevil, when I select the appearance program from the menu the panel bar disappears
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18:37<salman>craigevil, but yes, even after that, I changed the theme, and even change the windows decoration, then rerun metacity --replace to get my gnome-bar again.... but still I have no windows frames or titles
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18:38<retrospectacus>metacity is supposed to draw the window decorations, not the panels
18:38<retrospectacus>did you install compiz or something?
18:38<salman>retrospectacus, but this is what is happening to me :-)
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18:38<craigevil>salman, you might try posting on , never used gnome
18:38<salman>retrospectacus, yes. compiz is among the things I installed
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18:39<retrospectacus>salman: try installing also fusion-icon
18:39<retrospectacus>which you can use to reload compiz or metacity
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18:40<salman>retrospectacus, fusion-icon is installed
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18:40<chealer>has there been a lot of bad hashsums issues recently? or is it just my server ( that's really annoying?
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18:40<chealer>(when downloading APT indices)
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18:40<retrospectacus>it should be in the notification area then, you may need to start it (Applications, System tools)
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18:40<craigevil>chealer, has had issues as well
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18:41<chealer>craigevil: yuk
18:41<chealer>I'm getting that several times a week, and it seems to last for hours each time
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18:42<chealer>I think my updates in my "morning" usually work but now it's not
18:42<craigevil>try a different mirror, usually works well for me
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18:45<chealer>craigevil: yeah
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18:45<chealer>it just worked now
18:46<chealer>[craigevil:] would there be a way for me to check the health of mirrors behind (some status page)
18:47<chealer>I'm wondering if there's just a broken mirror in the round-robin but I don't even know which servers are in. I see 2 IPs, and
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18:57<chealer>oh crap...
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18:57<chealer>I hope my X will survive restart
18:57<craigevil>chealer, what video card?
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18:58<chealer>craigevil: ATI Radeon HD 5650 with fglrx drivers
18:58<chealer>(using testing)
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19:01<craigevil>chealer, if not upgrade mesa to sid :)
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19:01<chealer>craigevil: right. I should figure out a way to come back if things go wrong :-)
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19:04<chealer>Ooh, so someone put back the factoids database online! thanks to whoever that was
19:04<chealer>dpkg: your factoids
19:04<dpkg>You can search my database on the web at or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>.
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19:11<craigevil>chealer, not sure which version is in testing, but the newest version in sid is fixed, is fixed with mesa* 7.10.3-2
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19:16<chealer>!info libgl1-mesa-glx
19:16<dpkg>libgl1-mesa-glx: (free implementation of the OpenGL API -- GLX runtime), section libs, is optional. Version: 7.10.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 162 kB, Installed size: 496 kB
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19:17<chealer>I found what I was looking for - Debian Mirror Checker at but it doesn't answer my questions, or if it does I can't understand the answers...
19:17<chealer>I will see next time it happens
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19:18<chealer>hum, how does info work, there's no help on it?
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19:21<chealer>dpkg: info libgl1-mesa-glx testing
19:21<dpkg>libgl1-mesa-glx: (A free implementation of the OpenGL API -- GLX runtime), section libs, is optional. Version: 7.0.3-7 (lenny), Packaged size: 141 kB, Installed size: 428 kB
19:21<retrospectacus>,versions libgl1-mesa-glx
19:21<judd>Package libgl1-mesa-glx on i386 -- lenny: 7.0.3-7; squeeze: 7.7.1-4; wheezy: 7.10.2-3; sid: 7.10.3-2
19:21<chealer>dondelelcaro: ^^
19:21<chealer>retrospectacus: ah, thanks, that's the one I was looking for
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19:33<chealer>yay, supertuxkart still works!
19:34<chealer>it looks like it's free drivers users that will pay in testing
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19:37<gnufan>web of trust plugin for firefox is giving me a signing problem in Iceweasel. Is this something daft like I messed up my certificate authorities. i.e. could someone who hasn't poked at their security settings give it a quick go? It is an interesting plugin if nothing else.
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19:39<gnufan>Ah found an error in the error log "unrecognised issuer"....
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19:42<vilrouge>youhou ça marche
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20:51<blank>debian stable should never get updates after install
20:51<blank>i have 6.01.
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20:52<dvs>false, it gets security updates
20:53<blank>without having to test unstable? the stable gets security updates? or must i wait months for next stable to update this stable to taht one
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20:54<dpkg>[updates] Ask me about <point release>, <proposed-updates>, <security>, <squeeze-updates> See also <apticron>, <cron-apt>.
20:54<dvs>stable gets security updates quite frequently
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20:54<blank>mine hasn't updated for the past week afaik
20:54<blank>it would ask me to confirm if it did it automatically.
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20:54<dvs>that's fine
20:55<blank>ok. then i have one screenshot to share with you.
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20:56<blank> in bootup, i get LVM error messages.
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20:56<blank>could this be caused by using a Virtual Machine, by which i am in this moment
20:58<jhutchins_lt>blank: Yes, LVM is deliberately inducing a possible mode of failure
20:58<blank>those are warnings then?
20:58<jhutchins_lt>No idea, I avoid LVM like the plague.
20:59<blank>is that because LVM is complicated or because you don't have state secrets
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21:02<blank>ok well.
21:03*nevyn likes lvm
21:03<blank>is there a reason firefox is not in the software center
21:03<nevyn>blank: long story. iceweasel is the same code
21:04<blank>net scape is ice weasel is firefox.
21:04<blank>grease monkey is google's right?
21:04<nevyn>netscape is effectivly dead
21:04<nevyn>Mozilla corp is responcible for firefox etc.
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21:06<blank>so where is the button to switch to lxde and not clutter gnome, or remove gnome yet keep the softwares listed nonspecific to nome?
21:06<blank>i have 8 gigs of memory. this vm is i386. 2 gigs devoted, host an i7 processor, still i am cautious
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21:06<blank>guest *has 1 only i believe*
21:06<nevyn>what's the virtualiser?
21:07<nevyn>on what platform?
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21:07<blank>windows 7 .
21:08<blank>"deb squeeze/updates main contrib non-free"
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21:11<blank>why would i want to pay for updates
21:12<blank>i will use lxde. brb
21:14<blank>ok. so . what is that program that attacks my debian and patches for me?
21:15<blank>or is it safe to go google it
21:15<blank>i was on the department of defenses website about SELinux. I am sure I have SELinux installed along my debian. but if not, i still want to test my security
21:16<blank>i am leaving my home planet.
21:16<blank>whoops. i mean i am going to find my own apartment soon.
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21:40<nevyn>blank: attack your debain? and patches it?
21:40<nevyn>blank: so patching it.. aptitude or synaptic.
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21:44<malachi1990>hi, i was wondering if anyone was running Sid with nvidia hardware?
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21:46<nevyn>malachi1990: #debian-next and there have been some known problems.
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21:47<malachi1990>i understand that fully, having run Sid for about a year now, i was just curious about something, thanks for pointing me the right way
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22:05<winsen>hello everybody
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22:09<winsen> i know that's not right channel but i'd like make backup of debian partition. so, i am looking for last version northon ghost for testing, can you help me?thank you for answer
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22:11<Gerowen>winsen: You can use Clonezilla, it's a free, open source, Linux based imaging solution that allows you to make and restore images of partitions or whole drives.
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22:13<winsen><Gerowen>thank you for answer, but i prefer using Nghost
22:14<winsen><Gerowen>i tested clonezilla, i've had problems with it
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22:19<malachi1990>winsen: you could try partimage, but i dont see anything on Norton's site that would suggest its utilities are available for Debian (there is a backup system for SUSE, but Debian is not mentioned)
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22:23<winsen><malachi1990>i agree with you, NG doesn't suggest his utilities for debian, but i think it'll work, i am just testing
22:25<malachi1990>winsen: go for it, but my experience with linux software on disk is that when it says one particular distro, it means it (just a fair bit of warning)
22:25<malachi1990>otherwise, try alien (which converts RPMs to DEBs)
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22:27<winsen><malachi1990>sorry, i didn't understand what do you mean by "just a fair bit of warning"
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22:28<malachi1990>its just another way of saying to not expect an easy success (in my area of the USA)
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22:28<malachi1990>if youre successful at all
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22:30<winsen>malachi1990>ok thanks
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22:31<malachi1990>winsen: good luck
22:31<winsen>anyway,i am so tired i've to go bed, i'll try tomorow. i thank you very mutch for answers, have good night for all, see you
22:32<winsen><malachi1990>thanks good man
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22:41<Tekk>I'm having issues with my wheezy install, opengl seems to have stopped working for no apparent reason. I have the intel drivers installed(lspci output: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) (rev 03) ) and it used to work, but not anymore
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22:42<Tekk>glxinfo prints Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
22:42<malachi1990>Tekk: there was a mesa update today, which your intel card might not like,
22:42<Tekk>ah, could be it
22:43<Tekk>malachi1990: how would I roll that back? haven't ever had to do that in debian
22:44<malachi1990>try using synaptic, go to the package, and check the versions available, if theres an earlier version known, try forcing the package (if its not listed, change your repo to squeeze, and tell it to prefer squeeze versions)
22:45<malachi1990>that would be my first try, but its been a while since ive had to make sid behave
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22:47<Tekk>oh cool, so they actually have old versions on hand for stuff like this?
22:48<malachi1990>no, but sometimes you have a cache of packages that synaptic can reference
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22:48<malachi1990>otherwise you have to rollback your repos to an earlier version (not something id recommend unless absolutely necessary)
22:49<malachi1990>hence why apt-get clean (or autoclean) can easily clean out GBs of data
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22:52<ml|>you don't have to change repos, what you need should be available in /msg dpkg snapshot
22:52<malachi1990>oh, cool
22:53<malachi1990>thanks for the info, ml
22:53<ml|>no problem
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23:15<nardev>hello how can i list only files with permission 614?
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23:39<kruz1>Hello everybody. Yesterday I was trying to get my soundblaster emu10k1 driver to work on squeeze and after a lot of trying, I finally gave up. I decided to try to downgrade and I wound up with an error during the download. The problem is, I'm not sure where to get details of the error. do you guys know if there's a log I can look at?
23:39<sney>downgrade what?
23:40<CcSsNET>i use emu10k1 also
23:40<CcSsNET>works fine here
23:40<CcSsNET>is sound card muted?
23:40<kruz1>>.< sorry forgot not everyone was here. I am running Squeeze on an old P4, and I am downgrading to Lenny
23:40<sney>downgrading to lenny?! holy shit, that's just going to break everything.
23:40<kruz1>CcSsNET: no, the sound card is not detected the driver doesn't load. when I installed the firmware and tried to modprobe it gets an error -16 and I have no sound
23:41<CcSsNET>shouldnt need anything special for that sound card
23:41<kruz1>everything in lenny worked very well
23:41<sney>if you want to run lenny, back up /home and reinstall
23:41<kruz1>CcSsNET: yes you do
23:41<sney>some emu10k1 boards need firmware
23:41<kruz1>sney: not an option really or else I wouold have done that
23:41<kruz1>there's no cdrom on the box and even if I get one, there's no keyboard heh
23:41<sney>kruz1: well, if you're that limited, by all means DO NOT keep going with your downgrade since it's going to make everything die
23:42<kruz1>well, the whole point of the box is for my son to watch movies. it's pointless without sound
23:42<sney>you'd be better off finding another sound card.
23:42<CcSsNET>ive had no issues building a kernel with that driver soley enabled for sound, never seen a firmware requirement
23:42<dpkg>The snd-emu10k1 ALSA driver supports Creative Technology's Sound Blaster Live! (excluding Live! 24-bit), Sound Blaster Audigy (excluding value/SE editions) and E-MU Systems' "Digital Audio Systems" non-USB devices. Firmware from userspace is required for the E-MU 0404, 1212m, 1616, 1616m, 1820 and 1820m. E-MU firmware is not distributed by the Debian project; to acquire, refer to the procedure at
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23:44<CcSsNET>ah i dont have any of those specific versions
23:44<CcSsNET>i got the sb live 5.1
23:44<kruz1>minuit:/var/log/apt# cat /proc/asound/cards --- no soundcards ---
23:44<CcSsNET>and the gold connector version same model
23:44<sney>/proc/asound/cards won't show anything if the alsa modules aren't loaded, yeah
23:45<sney>kruz1: what's the lspci output for that card?
23:45<kruz1>They are loaded
23:45<kruz1>1 sec
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23:46<kruz1>I forgot to set an expire time, I need to delete that post in a minute
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23:46<sney>hm, same one I have, shouldn't need firmware at all
23:46<sney>is the card known good? does it work in $other_os?
23:46<kruz1>sney: it worked on Lenny before doing the upgrade
23:47<kruz1>I only upgraded cause I had my other boxes up to squeeze and they all worked great
23:47<kruz1>This is the output of the modprobe [ 451.585345] EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:02:02.0 failed with error -16
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23:48<kruz1>I had lenny on the box I didn't do a reinstall I just did an upgrade
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23:48<sney>is your lenny kernel still there? is it bootable?
23:48<sney>(that's the 2.6.26)
23:48<kruz1>I was using the 2.6.26 Kernel but when trying to fix with the backports I ended up screwing up and removing it
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23:49<kruz1>I also tried the 2.6.38 since there's known issues with .32
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23:49<Quite>enlighten me
23:49<kruz1>believe me I was googling my ass off and asking in here. several people were trying to help me out
23:49<CcSsNET>go compile a kernel
23:49<Quite>so far so good here with .32
23:50<sney>known issues with everything, really. just most people don't encounter those issues.
23:50<Quite>business as usual
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23:50<Quite>well no operating system can cater for every possible combination of hardware
23:51<kruz1>If you google, emu10k1 bug 2.6.32 you can see the problem i'm having with several other people. although some were resolved with the firmware ... mine however is not
23:51<sney>true, though a 686 class desktop with a soundblaster live should be an easy thing to support
23:51<Quite>i run laptops exclusively nowadays.... that's a bit like living on the edge when it comes to unix;linux
23:52<Quite>so far no major disasters though...
23:53<Quite>i tried the latest slackware 13.37.... it crashed hard when i plugged an USB flash drive in
23:53<sney>kruz1: last time you had 2.6.26 running, did sound work?
23:53<kruz1>Quite: yeah, I used to, but I started to work at Blizzard and I needed a decent box to play wow on.. and 64bit wine == broke and I had over 4 GB of RAM and didn't realize they had support on a 32 it OS, I thought it was an architecture thing
23:53<Quite>debian seems to be the most stable option at the moment
23:53<CcSsNET>debian has been droping firmwares
23:53<kruz1>sney: Yes it worked awesome
23:54<CcSsNET>they removed the firmware for my net card recent release
23:54<Quite>well, towers are still more powerful if you are a gamer
23:54<Quite>i'm not
23:54<kruz1>Quite: Slackware was my distro of choice in version 8.2... I didn't like the releases after that one
23:54<sney>in that case, kruz1 ...
23:54<Quite>same here.... that's what i started with in 1995
23:54<sney>just download the deb and install it.
23:54<sney>see if it boots.
23:54<Quite>back then i had a "normal" computer..... tower with soundblaster
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23:56<Quite>i run win7 home premium on another computer.... and i need the possibility to run some music software that isn't available for unix
23:56<Quite>but that's really the only reason i use windows
23:56<Quite>there are bugs in any operating system
23:57<kruz1>at work, we use nothing but ubuntu boxes running off netboot (: it's awesome not having windows around hehe
23:57<sney>#debian is for support, #debian-offtopic is for $other
23:57<Quite>well, i have found Unity to be somewhat flaky
23:57<Quite>it doesn\t respond to mouse clicks at times
23:57<Quite>so i went back to debian
23:57<Quite>i tried opensuse too, but i don't like its package management
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23:58<Quite>in the past i compiled most everything myself, but i'm a bit fed up with that
23:58<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
23:58<Quite>debian has a superior package system
23:58<kruz1>sorry >.<
23:58<Quite>i'm proclaiming debian all the time!
23:59<Quite>sorry for ever typing the word "windows"
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