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---Logopened Sat Jun 18 00:00:23 2011
---Daychanged Sat Jun 18 2011
00:00<CcSsNET>solaris, aix, hp ux, qnx, lynx os, beOs, sco unix
00:00<CcSsNET>o woops
00:00<sney>no it's fine to talk about other OSes just not in here. this is the support channel! take it to offtopic!
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00:00<Quite>sorry, sney
00:00<CcSsNET>im just teasing
00:00<Quite>just wanted to mention that i run windows as well, not for religious reasons though
00:01<Dwight>I have an app that claims to not find
00:01<Quite>just out of necessity
00:01<CcSsNET>apt-cache search gtk
00:01<kruz1>sney: I'm trying to fix the apt issue I had with the downgrade, then I'll try to install the lenny kernel
00:01<Dwight>but it is in usr/lib. Should it be some where else??
00:02<Quite>the apt system is soooooooo elegant
00:02<sney>Dwight: run /sbin/ldconfig and then try again
00:02<Quite>i never trusted the slackware package stuff.... that's why i compiled most stuff myself back then
00:02<Dwight>ok. thanks.
00:03<Quite>ok, end of other linux variants rant
00:04<Quite>i should mention that i ran freebsd for many years, but nowadays they are lagging behind severly when it comes to hardsware support
00:04<Quite>severely, even
00:05<Quite>and they still don't support UTF-8 in console
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00:05<kruz1>I guess it worked
00:05<sney>i guess!
00:06<Quite>i'm still here though
00:10<Quite>ah, there's a #debian-offtopic channel... maybe that's where i should be
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00:12<Quite>one question regarding GNOME.... do you guys think the default desktop will change drastically in the upcoming stable release?
00:12<Quite>because i like it as it is
00:13<Quite>other distros tend to add new bells and whistles all the time... take Ubuntu's Unity for example
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00:14<kruz1>I think I just broke my box trying to do the downgrade
00:14<sney>Debian 7.0 is currently planned to ship with regular Gnome 3
00:14<kruz1>cannot execte /init.d/rc
00:14<sney>kruz1: warned you
00:14<sney>kruz1: no cdrom isn't a big deal anyway, so long as you have a usb drive somewhere. usb install!
00:14<kruz1>hey now, I google'd and plenty of people were able to downgrade safely...
00:15<kruz1>sney: p4... old box that doesn't support usb booting
00:15<kruz1>and I have a usb keyboard which the bios doesn't support either until it hits the OS
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00:15<sney>most p4 machines should be new enough for usb booting. must be first gen wilammette or something
00:16<Quite>ok sney
00:16<Quite>i hope they keep it relatively simple in gnome 3
00:16<sney>it's just gnome 3, as presented by but if you want something simpler, there are loads of other options, like xfce, or lxde, or the k* suite, or others
00:17<kruz1>there's no option in the bios. I can double check... but ugh... it sucks. I can't just reinstall. I've got a ton of data on the raid drives. looks like it's going to be a long weekend. Thanks for the help anyway(:
00:18<sney>maybe it's time for a $30 pawnshop computer. they're usually low end athlon 64 these days
00:19<Quite>yes i know, regarding simpler stuff
00:19<Quite>i like the current gnome though
00:19<Quite>even if it's bloated like any GUI
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00:19<kruz1>it's a decent box. I had it up as my svn server, nas, and a movie player for my son.
00:20<Quite>i tried xfce briefly, and quickly went back to gnome again
00:20<Quite>in the past i ran motif window manager....
00:20<Quite>that was on freebsd
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00:21<Quite>KDE came as default on opensuse, but i can't say i like it
00:21<sney>I put windowmaker on machines that I don't want other people to mess with. the interface is scary enough that nobody touches it. and I don't even need xscreensaver
00:21<Quite>might fit some people
00:21<Quite>good one
00:21<sney>kde's default look is a bit windows aero-y
00:21<Quite>well, i could use twm no problem
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00:21<Quite>but i would like something more than that
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00:22<thenewb>hi, i was wondering if you people know how i can get the gcc man-pages installed
00:22<Quite>gnome is inobtrusive to me
00:22<Quite>it stays in the background, and doesn't shout at me
00:22<Quite>unobtrusive even
00:22<Quite>it's a matter of taste of course
00:23<Quite>yes.... a bit like aero regarding kde
00:23<Quite>not that it adds any functionality
00:23<Quite>i don't need that snazzy stuff really
00:23<sney>thenewb: usually 'aptitude install gcc-doc'
00:24<Quite>windows is still superior when it comes to GUI
00:24<thenewb>it says no candidate version found for gcc-doc, i have gcc installed though
00:24<Quite>(i hope i won't get killed by mentioning that)
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00:24<thenewb>man gcc used to give me a manual page on previous versions
00:25<sney>thenewb: it's packaged separately. just do an apt search for gcc and one of the packages should be the manuals
00:25<sney>it will be fairly clear from either the name or the description
00:25<sney>it got changed from a depend to a recommend
00:26<thenewb>i've tried alot of searching through google and stuff, i haven't found it anywhere, using aptitude's search feature there is nothing that seems like documentation for it
00:27<thenewb>i downloaded the gcc source code and may have downloaded the debian version of it too, but i don't think that would be neccessary to get the doc's
00:27<sney>thenewb: ah, it's in contrib. you need to enable contrib sources
00:27<thenewb>oh, ok thanks, i'll try that
00:27<sney>probably non-free as well
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00:30<kruz1>hey sney: I'm in run level 2... I know debian has a tool that lets you switch to debian from a running windows OS. do they have something like that for GNU OSes? cause if I can do that, it'll save me a lot of trouble/heartache
00:31<sney>I'm not sure what you mean. like kexec?
00:31<thenewb>perfect, that got them
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00:34<sney>oh yeah, that
00:34<sney>sorry, that's just a windows hack. I can't see how it would fix your problem
00:36<kruz1>well, not for windows. if there was a way to boot like that for GNU, then I could reinstall without having to boot to cd or usb
00:39<dpkg>kexec allows the system to load a kernel from a running kernel and boot into it, skipping the BIOS and bootloader stage of a reboot. To disable, "dpkg-reconfigure kexec-tools" or uninstall with "aptitude remove kexec-tools". To skip using kexec once, use /sbin/coldreboot
00:39<sney>but I'm not sure how to use it to invoke an installer
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00:42<kruz1>ah. Ok. Well I have a ton of data I need to find out how to backup now. then I'll do a reinstall... for now my 2 yr old is being very cranky so I need to take him upstairs to bed. Thanks again for everything
00:42<kruz1>Have a good night
00:42<sney>kruz1: surely you don't need to wipe the whole raid just to reinstall your OS.
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00:43<kruz1>well I think, I don't remember but I think I installed the OS on the raid, cause if I had a drive die on me, I wanted to be able to replace it and still have the box running
00:44<kruz1>anyway, little one is calling. (: thanks
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00:49<ferra>someone knows about kernel compilation?
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01:10<blank>i have an encrypted disk. how would i update it to a 2048bit
01:10<blank>without making my own of course
01:10<amitz>don'task to ask, just ask anything debian related.
01:10<blank>what is debian command to encrypt to 2048bit
01:13<blank>the trusted certificate now expires. i will return .
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01:48<chl501>Does anyone know any electronics shop would sell laptop model (skeleton) like Eee Pad Transformer (whose screen can be taken out of its base)?
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01:50<jean_>nvidia 173 ? avec lenny n'a pas la vélocité du driver propriétaire, ce qui fait, par exemple que dans foobillard, les images sautillent !
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02:40<george_>hi, I just installed debian on my computer and I'm getting static with my earphones, is this something that may be hardware or software?
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02:45<george_>also, is there any way that I can avoid getting a wireframe when I move windows, maybe get the window to move in realtime?
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02:45<george_>is anyone actually not idle here?
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02:46<Zaba>sometimes, yeah
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02:47<george_>Zaba, lol sometimes
02:47<george_>418 people and no one active :/
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02:47<Zaba>I odn't know about windows hiding their contents when being moved. What desktop environment, etc., do you use?
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02:49<george_>Zaba, Debian default, gnome
02:49<Zaba>there's probably an option somewhere
02:50<Zaba>I've never used gnome for long enough to find out...
02:50<george_>Zaba, what do you use?
02:51<Zaba>dwm with a bunch of xterms
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02:51<george_>Zaba, any reason you use Debian over Arch?
02:51<devil>george_: is the audio static with flash?
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02:52<george_>devil, no, actually when i have something playing, i don't hear the static, but when nothing's playing, there's static
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02:52<cahoot>mic turned up?
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02:52<devil>george_: ah, ok. that might be caused by a crappy headphone jack/socket?
02:53<george_>devil, might be, just changed computer, had #! before and didn't have this problem, the other computer had faulty usb slots, now this has static :/
02:53<devil>george_: and for your 2nd prob: what gfx card are you using?
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02:53<cahoot>turn off/down all not essential controls in alsamixer?
02:53<george_>devil, it's mobo embedded one unfortunately
02:54<devil>george_: which one?
02:54<george_>devil, not sure let me go ahead and look it up
02:54<george_>devil, or is there command for it?
02:54<Zaba>lspci should list it
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02:55<george_>Zaba, thanks
02:55<george_>Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller
02:55<devil>hm, should work ootb
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02:56<george_>devil, like I know in Ubuntu in appearance there's a place to chnage settings for graphics, but no tab in Debian for it
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02:57<devil>george_: debian does not offer a gui for everything. gui tend to make things more complicated in the end
02:58<devil>george_: you could pastebin /var/log/(Xorg.0.log, so we can have a look at it
02:58<george_>devil, I've used #! with openbox, so i kind of know :P
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02:58<devil> /var/log/Xorg.0.log, that is
02:59<george_>oops lol
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03:03<devil>hm, thats too big for the pastebin, so it gets cut off. to be sure there is no errors, does cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE give anything?
03:03<george_>devil, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
03:03<george_>(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
03:04<devil>ok, all good there
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03:04<devil>is your cpu maxed out by something? htop will tell
03:05<george_>devil, one sec let me download htop
03:05<devil>top will do as well
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03:06<george_>devil, no it's not being maxed out, only using like 10-15%
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03:06<devil>hm, whats the exact effect you have with dragging windows?
03:07<george_>devil, i see these wireframes, like wireframes creating 9 boxes
03:08<devil>how much ram does the notebook have?
03:08<ompaul>I guess 512
03:08<ompaul>not more than 1
03:08<devil>yeah, that would explain it when using gnome/kde
03:09<ompaul>with 1 it would need flash or something to do the damage
03:10<ompaul>I generally dont have it Mem: 1023488 867268 156220 0 27520 446844
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03:10<devil>with kde?
03:10<ompaul>george_: type free and paste the mem line and swap line
03:11<ompaul>devil: of course
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03:11*ompaul wonders sometimes ......... ;-)
03:12<chl501>anyone has experience in self-making laptop?
03:12<ompaul>george_: paste /pro/cpuinfo also
03:13<ompaul>chl501: ##hardware on freenode
03:13<ompaul>or -offtopic
03:14<ompaul>devil: a java scripted you tube and farcebook
03:14<chl501>ompaul: thanks.
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03:14<ompaul>george_: what web sites do you have open?
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03:15<ompaul>george_: this is not happening all the time I guess
03:15<george_>ompaul, what do you mean? the wireframe?
03:15<george_>ompaul, idk let me restart my computer see if it fixes anything brb
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03:16<ompaul>yes even
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03:16<devil>i heard it works under windows ;)
03:16*ompaul growls
03:17<ompaul>devil: back in 7
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03:19<george>ompaul, nah, same thing, just restarted and same wireframe windows when moving them
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03:20<devil>strange stuff
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03:22<Guest5073>devil, so do you think it may be a driver problem or something? I mean everything runs fine, so I don't see why this problem exists
03:22<devil>i am sa bit clueless atm, it should not happen.
03:22<devil>..a bit..
03:23<devil>you said its a fresh install?
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03:24<Guest5073>devil, yeah i just installed it less than 2 hours ago
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03:24<Guest5073>devil, my name changed (on here) for some reason, but it's still me
03:26<devil>Guest5073: what OS did you use on the notebook until then?
03:27<Guest5073>devil, it's desktop
03:27<Guest5073>but i was using a different desktop before with crunchban
03:28<Guest5073>devil, maybe because it's onboard, it doesn't support regular dragging?
03:28<Guest5073>but then again I should have the option to turn it on if I want
03:28<devil>Guest5073: nah, it should just work
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03:29<jean_>c'est quoi squeeze ?
03:29<devil>i was wondering because intel gfx are not found in desktops too often. at least not until core i was released
03:30<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
03:30<devil>jean_: or speak EN here
03:30<jean_>no, i am sorry !
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03:32<Silicium01>What's the main difference between symbolic and hard link? And which one should I use if I want to point a dir in home directory to some /etc dirs?
03:32<Guest5073>Silicium01, use a symbolic
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03:33<devil>gotta run. later.
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03:33<Silicium01>Guest5073, I basically want to have /home/user/backup/apache2 to point to /etc/apache2 so that I can symply rsync /home/user and it will store /etc/apache in it too
03:33<chl501>IIRC, hard link would share the same inode.
03:34<Silicium01>Does this make sense?
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03:34<lee>Silicium01: Hm, it doesn´t make sense to link files from /home into /etc.
03:34<Guest5073>Silicium01, try symbolic, see if it works
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03:35<Silicium01>lee, why not?
03:35<Guest5073>devil, bye
03:35<lee>Silicium01: because /etc is a place for configuration files which are not maintained by users
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03:36<Silicium01>lee, true, I just want to have a backup. I'm currently backing up my home dir entirely, so I thought I shoul dback up some of the /etc too
03:37<Silicium01>this would make it simple, I'd create links and have it backed up by existing backup procedure
03:37<lee>Silicium01: You could just backup /etc as well.
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03:37<blank>what is the debian ideas channel
03:37<Guest5073>good night everyone, going to sleep
03:37<dpkg>Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of rutabagas, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen rabid dairy cows. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours!
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03:38<blank>well it is sort of a scheme for non-profit reasons
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03:39<ompaul>scheme - no it is a masterplan!
03:39<blank>we should start debian clubs. a set of subchannels or just a category for socialites
03:40<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
03:40<ompaul>we have
03:40<blank>within it, there are many chatrooms. one in particular for me .. i mean us to familiarize ourselves
03:40<blank>debian offtopic then?
03:40<ompaul>blank: you can join it if you want
03:40<blank>ok cool
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04:13<nverinaud>hi everybody
04:13<cna>siemanko hello
04:13<nverinaud>I think I did a mistake :S :S
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04:13<nverinaud>I just installed sudo in my debian server
04:13<nverinaud>configure sudoers with visudo
04:14<nverinaud>add my user using 'adduser user sudo'
04:14<nverinaud>and unable root account 'passwd -l root'
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04:14<nverinaud>but sudo isn't working and I can't log in in root...
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04:14<nverinaud>can someone help ? :s
04:15<gnugr>nverinaud: why do you need "sudo" command, what for?
04:15<nverinaud>I don't like work as root
04:15<nverinaud>I prefer using my user and sudo
04:16<nverinaud>and I prefer others to use that too
04:16<gnugr>be as root with " su - " and use aptitude or apt-get
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04:16<gnugr>no need to use sudo
04:16<nverinaud>I can't because I lock root account
04:17<nverinaud>'passwd -l root'
04:18<nverinaud>I know it's an epic fail xD
04:18<seeS>sounds like youll have to work your way around it
04:18<seeS>you cannot even go to single user mode
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04:19<seeS>maybe booting with init=/bin/sh may work
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04:21<gnugr>nverinaud: go System>Administration>Users and groups and reset settings back to normal
04:22<nverinaud>I'm connecting with SSH and does not have a GUI
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04:23<gnugr>oh sorry you meant its on a server
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04:23<cahoot>nverinaud, can't you su to root on the server atm?
04:23<seeS>ok, so sudo doesnt work, root has a locked password and its remote?
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04:24<seeS>i think the technical term is "you're screwed" :(
04:25<nverinaud>its odd because I did the correct things with the sudoers file
04:25<seeS>if you still had a root account open somewhere you could edit the shadow password file
04:25<cna>czemu rota nie chcesz uzywac ?
04:25<nverinaud>I paste that wait a minute
04:26<seeS>probably should of checked it first
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04:27<seeS>is your user in the sudo group?
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04:28<nverinaud>yes -_-
04:29<seeS>ok, as that user have you run 'id' and checked?
04:29<nverinaud>output from /etc/group
04:29<dpkg>well, visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers>, or respects $EDITOR while doing sanity checking (prevents *some* critical commits of broken sudoers).
04:29<nverinaud>doesn't here
04:29<nverinaud>maybe should I relog in
04:30<seeS>yes, if you have added them to the group you must relog
04:30<nverinaud>here we go
04:30<seeS>or login twice
04:30<nverinaud>OH MY GOD IT WORKS
04:30<seeS>no driving to wherever for you then
04:31<nverinaud>thank you seeS ^^
04:31<seeS>personally i hate locking the root account. just give it a big nasty password you put somewhere secure. otherwise single user wont work for you
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04:31<nverinaud>okay i'll keep it unlock
04:32<seeS>just make the password hard to remember
04:32<seeS>most debian daemons wont let you login as root by default anyhow
04:33<nverinaud>in fact it is just for a git server
04:33<dselect>cz is, like, Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
04:33<nverinaud>have a nice weekend guys ;)
04:34<nverinaud>and thank you again :p
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04:34<seeS>glad it worked out
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04:39<xm4n>hi All
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04:43<xm4n>whats the topic for this?
04:44<seeS>very on-topic now
04:44<cthuluh>!es > ramoncillo
04:44<dpkg>> ramoncillo: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
04:44<cthuluh>seeS: debian
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04:44<seeS>debian's the topic? who'd think it?
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04:45<cthuluh>seeS: oops, I meant " xm4n: debian "
04:46<xm4n>how many of you are tryign to make a spin-off Linux distro of Debian-based?
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04:49<seeS>definitely not me
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04:52<xm4n>who else?
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05:06<amphi>I'm also not
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05:26<sushant>i'm using ubuntu and want to write debian 6.0 on usb to boot from usb, anybody knows a good tool ?
05:26<AgentC>is there a possiblity to let a RTL surfstick (USB) on debian squeeze ?
05:26<sushant>willing to install debian 6.0
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05:29<sushant>i've a complete iso already downloaded
05:29<gnugr>!usb install
05:29<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
05:29<sushant>i just want to write the iso to usb stick
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05:29<sushant>so i can install from usb
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05:30<AgentC>sushant: see at that link, you have to create either a boot-cd or an image at usb-stick for booting up the netinstall setup
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05:31<AgentC>sushant: dd if=filename.iso of=/dev/targetdevice
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05:31<re_rock>why did it say i was banned a second ago?
05:31<sushant>yeah but it will take long time, i've a slow network
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05:31<re_rock>why did it say i was banned a second ago?
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05:31<wrek-gar>need some help setting up desktop to act as either a wireless access point or ad hoc - trying to get mobile phone to access web via wifi
05:32<sushant>AgentC, is that a command to write to usb ?
05:33<AgentC>sushant: yep, "if" means inputfile and "of" means outputfile. so "of" must be the device where to write to
05:33<sushant>ok i'm assuming that is binary write
05:33<sushant>just checked its manual, thanks AgentC
05:33<sushant>let me try with that
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05:34<babilen>sushant: You can also use "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX" where sdX is your usb stick, for example: cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb
05:34<sushant>but will it do binary write ?
05:34<sushant>its an iso image so little worried
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05:35<babilen>The command I gave you above will write the iso itself to the stick -- you could also use "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX" there are many ways to skin a dog
05:36<AgentC>babilen: right
05:36<AgentC>babilen: do you know about surfstick drivers for linux (specially rtl surfstick) ?
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05:37<babilen>No, which chipset do they use? Do you have the pci/usb ID?
05:37<babilen>ah, rtl ;)
05:37<dpkg>Realtek is a developer of semiconductors. Realtek Ethernet controllers are supported by the 8139too, 8139cp and <r8169> drivers in the mainline Linux kernel. For support of wireless LAN devices with a Realtek chipset, ask me about <rtl818x> (802.11b/g) or <rtl819x> (802.11n).
05:37<babilen>AgentC: Take your pick ^^^
05:37<sushant>ok i didnt knew it was so easy, thanks a ton babilen and AgentC
05:37<AgentC>babilen: no specs avail, i have ordered it but comes by post next week
05:38<babilen>sushant: There is no need to make it harder than that -- Have fun! :)
05:38<babilen>AgentC: Lets work on it then.
05:38<AgentC>babilen: prob is, that next week i go to hospital and i need the drivers before i go there, cause there i have no possiblity to download drivers without a running surfstick
05:40<babilen>AgentC: In that case make sure you have the firmware around (firmware-realtek + some others) as the modules itself are already there. I can't give you more specific instructions without knowing which chipset the stick uses.
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05:41<AgentC>babilen: im triing to research
05:43<babilen>AgentC: You might also want to make sure that you have a newer kernel. I guess that you can get all devices working if you have the .38 kernel and all realtek firmware.
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05:45<AgentC>babilen: 2.6.37
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05:47<AgentC>babilen: dunno what chipset
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05:48<babilen>ah! That RTL, not rtl == realtek
05:48<AgentC>babilen: yep, maybe it is a realtec chipset, but dunno
05:49<AgentC>babilen: windows drivers are avail as they said, but i what it to use on squeeze
05:49<re_rock>why does it say im banned from #debian when i sign on using Xchat?
05:49<AgentC>re_rock: maybe you are repeating ?
05:49<babilen>and it is not a WLAN adaptor but a 3G modem ... probably easiest to configure it with network-manager
05:50<re_rock>connecting multipul times?
05:50<AgentC>babilen: SIM (mobilephone) based.
05:50<babilen>re_rock: Are you sure you are identified when you use XChat?
05:51<AgentC>re_rock: dont know what happend to you, but kicks and bans happens when to much traffic comes from a user
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05:51<re_rock>I just identified this nick on this server, could that have been the problem?
05:51<babilen>not in this case
05:51<babilen>re_rock: likely
05:52<wrek-gar> <-anyone?
05:52<re_rock>cool, thanks
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05:52<AgentC>re_rock: multiple logins can also cause a irc server to break the users connection, depends on irc-server configuration
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05:53<gnugr>AgentC: try to install "wvdial" packges it might works with them
05:53<re_rock>it seems to work now, i just logged out/ back in and it didnt happen, thanks
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05:54<AgentC>gnugr: ok, but i can test it first when the stick is delivered, and at this time i'll not have a net-connection
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05:55<babilen>AgentC: Looks as if it is a HuaWei
05:55<babilen>!tell AgentC -about huawei
05:55<muthukutty>NOTHING TO SAY
05:55<babilen>muthukutty: Please keep quiet in that case. Thank you.
05:56<muthukutty>NO I CAN'T
05:56<AgentC>babilen: wait, im try to learn about, just a moment
05:56<babilen>Yes, you can. Please refrain from trolling and play somewhere else. This is, much to your surprise, a serious support channel.
05:57<gnugr>muthukutty: please do not use capslock
05:58<dpkg>1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>)
06:00<AgentC>!kick muthuku
06:00*dpkg kicks muthuku in the ass.
06:00<babilen>AgentC: please ...
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06:04<s_i_m>people come in say hello and logout
06:04<cna>yo yo
06:05<cna>only half:)
06:09<AgentC>babilen: Huawei E160E ... what i need on driver , i have no experience with that technology
06:11<babilen>AgentC: I haven't used it as well -- read the 3G guide and the instructions on the wiki. I am also sure that you can find specific instructions for this device on the internet. Some friends had great success with network-manager -- just plug it in and it should work. Not sure if that applies to this particular device as well.
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06:11<FragByte>AgentC: the kernel should complain about a specifice firmware file that it misses
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06:12<FragByte>issue dmesg | grep firmware to see which file in particular
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06:14<Yossarian>hi peeps, is there any way i can get gnome 3 to work safely on squeeze? and on a different note, is it worth it?
06:15<babilen>Yossarian: No, there is no way.
06:15<Quite>if you want bloat, go for it
06:15<Yossarian>Quite, it's bloated? :(
06:15<Quite>i suppose so!
06:15<Yossarian>i had high hopes for it
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06:16<Quite>well, i do too... we'll see in the future
06:16<babilen>Quite: Please do not spread FUD and false information.
06:16<babilen>ta :)
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06:16*Quite is the meister fudder
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06:16<FragByte>Yossarian: i use it (not on squeeze) and like it ... check it for yourself (not on squeeze)
06:16<Quite>saying that it's bloated is hardly FUD
06:16<Quite>any GUI nowadays is bloated
06:17<Yossarian>FragByte, what do you use it on?
06:17<Quite>by definition
06:17<babilen>Yossarian: You can, unfortunately, not get Gnome3 working on squeeze and even on sid it is quite hard. I doubt that it will ever be backported. You might want to read
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06:17<FragByte>Yossarian: Arch Linux (not debian based) on a spare computer i have
06:17*MrFrood keeps quiet about bloat
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06:18<Quite>seems to be a good idea, MrFrood
06:18<Quite>i guess i'll do that too
06:19<babilen>MrFrood: You should -- there is bloat and there is development and availability of more powerful machines and technologies. The border is blurred, but I wouldn't necessarily regard Gnome3 as bloated.
06:19<Quite>nah... i was mostly teasing, babilen
06:19<babilen></offtopic> → #d-ot
06:19<Quite>with the processing power of today it's not that much of an issue
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06:19<AgentC>babilen: hm, could this be a solution ? :
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06:20<MrFrood>babilen: you know my veiws on DE's in genneral :-/
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06:20<babilen>AgentC: Yeah, that seems to be a valid wvdial coniguration -- As I said: a lot of people I know just use network-manager which works flawlessly for this.
06:21<babilen>AgentC: But I can't tell you how to get it running. I've never done it and you should probably call RTL's technical support and ask them. It *might* just work out of the box, but I have absolutely no idea.
06:22<AgentC>babilen: customer support denies help on linux support questions
06:23<streuner__>RTL is eplus?
06:23<AgentC>streuner__: vodaphone
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06:24<babilen>AgentC: I think we've seen enough evidence that suggests that it'll work. Try NM or wvdial with the vodafone configuration. But *I* will not go as far as suggesting that it will indeed work and that you can rely on that assessment.
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06:26<AgentC>babilen: what is NM ?
06:26<AgentC>babilen: ah., networkmanager
06:26<AgentC>babilen: is it standard installed ?
06:26<gnugr>AgentC: read a way with wvdial " "
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06:27<babilen>AgentC: depends on your installation -- if you installed the desktop task you'll have it
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06:31<wrek-gar>is there something that will display the wireless driver for a usb connected wifi adapter?
06:33<s_i_m>that will show the loaded module
06:33<s_i_m>if you ask that
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06:34<babilen>wrek-gar: run 'lspci -knn|grep -A2 -ie "network"'
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06:34<babilen>ah, usb .. disregard that :)
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06:35<s_i_m>there is lsubs too, this will show the device name and vendor, etc
06:35<wrek-gar>babilen, it gives an '>' output
06:35<gnugr>lsusb -tv
06:36<quinque_>wrek-gar: or "hwinfo --wlan"
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06:36<babilen>gnugr: nice :)
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06:37<babilen>wrek-gar: it does not -- did you run it without the enclosing ' ?
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06:39<wrek-gar>babilen, quinque_ ok,.. it works
06:39<babilen>wonderful :)
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06:39<cthuluh>babilen: hint: ''some command''
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06:39<cthuluh>like that the command is executed, even if the user doesn't strip the single quotes
06:40<wrek-gar>babilen, <- any ideas?
06:40<babilen>a mobile bridge?
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06:40<s_i_m>wrek-gar, try apt-get install hwinfo and hwinfo --wlan as root. this is actually a nice tool
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06:41<s_i_m>i did not know about it
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06:44<s_i_m>wrek-gar, for an AP setup you will need hostapd
06:45<s_i_m>ad-hoc network should be easier to install but it is insecure
06:46<s_i_m>i am not sure if hostapd can work with usb wifi adapters, though
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06:50<AgentC>babilen: if surfstick dont work with linuxdrivers for first, do you think it would work with a virtual box with winXP ?
06:50<wrek-gar>s_i_m, trying to find information on the wifi bridge used hwinfo --bridge - some information comes out but don't see anything related to wifi
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06:52<s_i_m>wrek-gar, hwinfo is a tool to see the the info about the devices. for instance, you were asking about the driver for a particular card, it may show it.
06:52<gnugr>wrek-gar: run " iwlist scan" to see all existed wireless
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06:55<gnugr>wrek-gar: wich one is yours?
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06:55<wrek-gar>gnugr, sorry don't understand the question
06:55<s_i_m>gnugr, i think you misunderstood his problem
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06:56<gnugr>oh sorry tho
06:56<s_i_m>he wants to setup an AP in his desktop
06:56<s_i_m>for that he needs hostapd
06:56<wrek-gar>right now reading the instructions on this page
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06:57<wrek-gar>at the part where it says "bridge device needed"
06:58<s_i_m>wrek-gar, that is just a logical thing, not a real device
07:00<wrek-gar>s_i_m, just trying to find out if a driver for bridge device is needed
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07:00<s_i_m>not needed
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07:01<s_i_m>btw, that how-to is too complicated. in Debian everything is simpler, if one uses the /etc/network/interfaces
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07:03<wrek-gar>s_i_m, gnugr as of right now put the info on usb driver and wlan. is this correct so far?
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07:04<MrPirate>Hello all :D
07:04<MrPirate>I want to setup SSL certificate
07:04<MrPirate>how can I do that
07:04<s_i_m>wrek-gar, so far we have seen that your usb dongle is working, which is a good sign
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07:05<MrPirate>I am using debain VPS
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07:06<s_i_m>MrPirate, self-signed certificate?
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07:07<MrPirate>s_i_m, how can I do that
07:07<MrPirate>can u guide me?
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07:08<MrPirate>thanks s_i_m :D
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07:10<MrPirate>s_i_m: how can I install openssl?
07:11<s_i_m>must be already installed, most likely
07:11<wrek-gar>s_i_m, is there a dhcpcd process running (or similar) if so how can it be stopped?
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07:11<Yossarian>stupid question: any way to keep all applications up to date without breaking the system with unstable repo?
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07:11<Yossarian>i've heard about backports but i don't know much about it
07:12<s_i_m>MrPirate, if not, as usual apt-get install openssl
07:12<AgentC>babilen: if surfstick dont work with linuxdrivers for first, do you think it would work with a virtual box with winXP ?
07:13<s_i_m>wrek-gar, pkill dhcpd
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07:13<MrPirate>s_i_m: can I PM u?
07:13<s_i_m>MrPirate, as on channel, plz
07:13<MrPirate>root@KS-50:~# apt-get install openssl
07:14<MrPirate>Segmentation faultsts... 0%
07:14<MrPirate>You have new mail in /var/mail/root
07:14<MrPirate>root@KS-50:~# root@KS-50:~# apt-get install openssl
07:14<MrPirate>-bash: root@KS-50:~#: command not found
07:14<MrPirate>root@KS-50:~# Segmentation faultsts... 0%
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07:14<s_i_m>use paste bin
07:14<MrPirate>ok sorry :(
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07:14<MrPirate>well that is done correct?
07:15<s_i_m>segmentation fault? interesting
07:15<MrPirate>Segmentation faultsts... 0%
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07:15<MrPirate>how to get rid of it?
07:15<s_i_m>I tnink your VPS is broken
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07:16<MrPirate>can I resolve it?
07:17<s_i_m>the ansver is 48
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07:17<s_i_m>or was it 49? =) oh my poor memory
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07:18<s_i_m>all right...
07:18<MrPirate>nothing can be done?
07:18<babilen>MrPirate: Which version of Debian is that?
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07:18<babilen>MrPirate: Does aptitude work? ls? echo?
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07:19<MrPirate>yes aptitude works
07:20<MrPirate>yes echo also work
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07:20<MrPirate>but i am unable to install package
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07:20<MrPirate>and moreover openssl libapache
07:20<MrPirate>is not getting installe
07:20<MrPirate>perl too
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07:21<MrPirate>s_i_m, babilen any solution?
07:21<s_i_m>a complete reinstall
07:22<MrPirate>reinstall of debain?
07:22<MrPirate>then I have to install php and mysql again?
07:23<s_i_m>MrPirate, most likely
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07:24<MrPirate>I will talk to VPS providers :D
07:24<s_i_m>yes, tell them about segmentation faults
07:24<s_i_m>and ask for a discount ж)
07:24<wrek-gar>s_i_m, to find the driver for the usb wifi adapter used hwinfo --wlan - took the output which was 'prism2_usb' and put it into driver interface
07:24<MrPirate>they will give me discount?
07:24<wrek-gar>hostapd doesn't like it
07:25<s_i_m>i am joking
07:25<s_i_m>but you may try
07:25<MrPirate>ohh lol :D
07:25<MrPirate>okay s_i
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07:28<wrek-gar>anyone here?
07:28<retrospectacus>just you
07:28<s_i_m>wrek-gar, I think hostapd should be able to work with that driver
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07:29<wrek-gar>s_i_m, any idea why it doesn't like that driver? was the info from hwlist --wlan correct?
07:30<Yossarian>stupid question: any way to keep all applications up to date without breaking the system with unstable repo?
07:30<towo`>use backports
07:30<towo`>not unstable
07:30<s_i_m>wrek-gar, try driver=hostap in hostapd config
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07:32<s_i_m>wrek-gar, or maybe driver=prism let me search for some info...
07:33<MrPirate>I have just make the new ticket
07:33<MrPirate>they will gimme reply in about 10mins to 30mins
07:33<MrPirate>hmm I have to wait lol
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07:35<MrPirate>well guyz how can I install irc server like using ircd software in debain?
07:35<towo`>with apt
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07:42<egwk>MrPirate, if you have debian stable you can use synaptic or the commandline way apt-get or aptitude.
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08:02<raj>LTS core module not running
08:02<raj>any guidance?
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08:12<xprotocool>testingon tint
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09:03<xprotocool>hi pips?
09:05<cthuluh>do you need help?
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09:09<nadir>i got kind of a server running. its memory usage starts at ca 30MB, stays like that for some hours, and then goes up to 200MB
09:10<nadir>if i use a script called it tells me usage is at 15MB
09:10<nadir>how can i search for the culprit?
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09:52<Cynia>hello all
09:53<tekk>is there any way to get aptitude to clean up a bit?
09:53<tekk>well, dpkg
09:53<tekk>the reading database part of the install/remove process is taking forever
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09:56<valdyn>tekk: dpkg --clear-avail
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09:59<gumbo>Hey, could you give me some advice?
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10:03<gnugr>!ask gumbo
10:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:10<gumbo>ok :)
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10:11<gumbo>Well, I am going to try Debian (currently using Ubuntu), but I don't know whether to download the cd image or the dvd one, and in this last case if i
10:11<gumbo>should download all the dvds
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10:13<dpkg>i guess netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
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10:15<gumbo>I guess I'll do that :)
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10:33<__Alex_>Can someone save my Day? Yesterday, on my netbook, Kega Fusion, a Sega SG1000, SMS, GG, MD, MCD, 32X emulator, starts to show me 'Segmentation fault' when i try to start it. Is there a way to fix this?
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10:59<lancelot_of>hi all
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10:59<lancelot_of>which is the correct Dejavu font name?I can't find them in xfontsel
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11:01<elvin>hello, this may seem like a silly question but where can I download debian lenny 5.0 from? I cant seem to find it in the archives, is there a reason for this?
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11:03<nodisc>hi all, I'm having trouble with my netbook video card (Intel 3150 on i915 driver), no direct rendering first, PLUS when resuming from sleep the backlight doesnt come up ...
11:03<gsimmons>dpkg: tell elvin -about install lenny
11:03<nodisc>that backlight problem is really annoying, i tried HAL quirks, disabling/enabling KMS, no way... ideas?
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11:06<elvin>thanks gsimmons
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11:09<lancelot_of>which is the correct Dejavu font name?I can't find them in xfontsel
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11:12<gnugr>lancelot_of: what is a " Dejavu font name " ?
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11:15<cthuluh>lancelot_of: it's not available via xfontsel
11:15<lancelot_of>gnugr, the font name to put in a terminal -fn option of Dejavu fonts
11:16<lancelot_of>cthuluh, can i check for the name to put in termninal setting?
11:16<lancelot_of>gnugr, ok i'm going to read
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11:21<gnugr>lancelot_of: read also this " "
11:22<jhutchins_lt>nodisc: It would help to know what release and kernel you were on.
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11:23<nodisc>sorry, i'm on wheezy, running kernel 2.6.38-2-amd64
11:23<nodisc>glxinfo says: Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
11:24<nodisc>and this is my xorg.conf
11:24<nodisc>i thought my backlight and DRI problems might be related
11:24<sney>nodisc: which netbook? is it an eee? there are some eee-specific details on the debian wiki, and a support channel
11:25<nodisc>not an eee, it's a custom assembled netbook, though maybe i should try installing eeepc-acpi-scripts ?
11:26<sney>it probably won't help, but I suppose it couldn't hurt either.
11:26<sney>custom assembled? hmmm... msi whitebox?
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11:27<towo`>Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig <== this is a known problem since the initial multiarch support hits wheezy
11:27<towo`>and btw, this chan is for debian stable
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11:28<nodisc>sney: it's this one
11:29<sney>nodisc: and towo` is correct, wheezy/sid support goes to #debian-next
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11:29<towo`>and instead of xorg.conf, /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be much more of interest
11:29<nodisc>I will ask on #debian-next, many thanks
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11:32<gnugr>nodisc: show us the output of " dmesg | grep drm " please
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11:35<nodisc>dmesg |grep drm
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11:36<nodisc>also, I found this in /var/log/Xorg.0.log: [ 576.406] (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/ failed (/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
11:37<towo`>nasuta, that's what i mean with "it's known"
11:37<towo`>nodisc, for a dirty fix, you can symlink /usr/lib/dri to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri
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11:38<towo`>but, before a new mesa hits testing, you must delete this symlink
11:38<gnugr>i see no Radeon error
11:39<sney>gnugr: why would there be a radeon error for intel?
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11:39<gnugr>nodisc: please also pastebin the output of " dmesg | grep agp "
11:40<sney>gnugr: what are you looking for exactly?
11:40<gnugr>for errors
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11:40<sney>yes, but agp and radeon errors on a new intel netbook?
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11:41<nodisc>dmesg |grep agp
11:41<dpkg>hello, d3co
11:41<sney>that doesn't make any sense unless there's a specific bug that introduces those things to an unrelated system
11:41<sney>huh, it still uses agp? well anyway
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11:42<d3co>hi, what does is the better ? postfix or sendmail ?
11:43<gnugr>nodisc: DRI is ok as i saw
11:44<d3co>let me see
11:45<nodisc>i will try the symlink fix to clear that error from Xorg.0.log first, then I'll see what glxinfo says
11:45<towo`>nodisc, in wheezy there is no /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri at the moment
11:45<towo`>taht's the problem
11:45<gnugr>nodisc: ok go in #debian-next
11:46<__Alex_>What does 'Segmentation fault' mean?
11:46<nodisc>towo`: I saw that, that library is in /usr/lib/dri/ and belongs to libgl1-mesa-dri
11:46<__Alex_>And how can i fix it?
11:46<rudi_s>__Alex_: The program tried to access invalid memory.
11:46<towo`>but with multiarch, the location of some libs will change to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
11:47<__Alex_>What can i do to try to fix it?
11:47<towo`>on 64bit installs
11:47<rudi_s>__Alex_: Fix the program.
11:47<__Alex_>It's not open source
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11:47<jhutchins_lt>__Alex_: Someone gave you the wikipedia page that explained it yesterday.
11:47<nodisc>can i run into problems if ever mesa gets updated and that symlink is still present?
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11:47<jhutchins_lt>__Alex_: It means your proprietary softwawre is crap.
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11:49<towo`>nodisc, sure, you will have problems
11:49<towo`>nodisc, [17:38] <towo`> but, before a new mesa hits testing, you must delete this symlink
11:49<nasuta>towo`: what?!
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11:50<towo`>nasuta, wrong hilight, sorry
11:50<nasuta>oh, okay
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11:51<nodisc>good to know :) i'll try to reboot now, thanks
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11:54<codinGenesis>How to close open proxy ??
11:54<babilen>__Alex_: back again? Have you read the article I mentioned yesterday? There is *absolutely* nothing we can do to help you. The developers of your program made some serious mistakes and it is upon them to fix them.
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11:54<venom01>hello, I've downgraded to testing from sid
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11:55<venom01>now the keyboard and the touchpad don't work, but external keyboard and mouse are OK
11:55<venom01>the problem is only with X11, in the raw terminal the keyboard works
11:55<babilen>venom01: You most likely want #debian-next -- Furthermore it is probably due to the udev version you have installed.
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11:55<venom01>I've tried to reinstall and reconfigure several packages without success
11:55<codinGenesis>how to close an open proxy ??
11:55<babilen>codinGenesis: disable the service?
11:56<venom01>babilen: how can I fix that then?
11:56<codinGenesis>babilen, i just want to surf the web with close the proxy...
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11:56<babilen>venom01: downgrade it to 167-? or pull the versions from sid. But ask in #debian-next which is the channel dedicated to help for wheezy/sid specific problems.
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11:57<codinGenesis>because i am unable to log on to another channels and torrent clients are giving me a problem !1
11:57<babilen>codinGenesis: You run your own proxy server but want it to only be accessible from localhost?
11:57<nodisc>ln -s /usr/lib/dri /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri , Direct rendering works now :) thanks a lot
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11:59<codinGenesis>i just want to close my open proxy and surf the web with no proxy on
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12:18<d3co><babilen> thank you.
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12:27<d3co>is needed the SASL ?
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12:36<DSFBagpuss>could do with some debian help if anyone can?
12:36<daemonkeeper>Just ask
12:37<DSFBagpuss>trying to update debian using apt-get update logged in as root
12:37<DSFBagpuss>everytime get same error
12:37<daemonkeeper>Which error, which update
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12:37<DSFBagpuss>unable to parse package file
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12:38<DSFBagpuss>then package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened
12:39<daemonkeeper>If you really want some help, you should start copying apt's output, and related configuration files along a precise description what you did
12:39<daemonkeeper>Use a pastebin
12:40<DSFBagpuss>sorry new to all this
12:46<gnugr>DSFBagpuss: can you tell us what version you run and what "deb packages" you have in sources.list?
12:47<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
12:47<babilen>DSFBagpuss: Please provide this ^^^ information along with your /etc/apt/sources.list in a single pastebin (i.e. on )
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12:52<dpkg>hello, d3co
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12:53<d3co>please, i need configure the postfix!!
12:54<daemonkeeper>!smart questions
12:54<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: - Be sure to look at the section - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
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12:54<babilen>d3co: + /usr/share/doc/postfix{,-doc}/{README.Debian*,**} is probably worth a look.
12:55<gnugr>!tell d3co -about postfix
12:55<d3co>A lot!!
12:55<babilen>d3co: I would start with postfix's README.Debian -- but what is your exact problem?
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12:56<darius>hi, afrer a power failure xorg.0.log on lenny ends like that: (EE) Error compiling keymap (server-0) (EE) XKB: Couldn't compile keymap
12:56<d3co>yes, I just installed, now I need configure !
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12:57<darius>allso x11 lags then dragging windows or scrolling..
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12:59<babilen>d3co: might also be worth a look. But note that postfix configuration is *not* something we can just walk you through.
12:59<daemonkeeper>d3co: Of course you do. Configuring daemons can be a complex task
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13:00<gnugr>!tell darius -about xorg config
13:02<gnugr>!tell darius -about xorg config lenny
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13:03<DSFBagpuss>OK guys, i have created a pastebin post on called DSFBagpuss apt-get
13:03<babilen>do you have a link?
13:04<darius>gnugr, i configured that with nvidia driver, i needed rotation on multiple monitors with kind a new video card. so i have full xorg.conf.
13:05<daemonkeeper>Please stop now, before you do more harm DSFBagpuss
13:05<daemonkeeper>You are on an embedded system with ancient packages
13:05<darius>gnugr, doesn't that error talks about keyboard problems? is it somehow related with draging/scrollin lag?
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13:06<gnugr>sure is relevant
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13:07<daemonkeeper>DSFBagpuss: I guess you are on a flash ROM with limited space, perhaps even a read only file system. This is causing your error. Please consult your firmare supplier on instructions how to install packages and/or update. Note you certainly don't want to run Webmin there.
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13:08<DSFBagpuss>unfortunately u guys were my last hope lol.
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13:08<DSFBagpuss>cant find any linkstation internet help
13:09<daemonkeeper>What do you want to achieve after all? Webmin isn't the solution to your problem.
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13:10<DSFBagpuss>i would have prefered the web interface to change ip addresses, dns setting etc then i hoped to install mt-daap (music server) on the linkstation
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13:11<babilen>DSFBagpuss: What does "cat /etc/debian_version" give you?
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13:11<daemonkeeper>My bet is Woody or Sarge.
13:11<babilen>yeah, just want to make sure :)
13:12<daemonkeeper>So Sarge
13:12<daemonkeeper>Obsolete since 5 years or so :>
13:13<DSFBagpuss>the box has been sat for about.... er 5 years!!
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13:13<DSFBagpuss>just dug it out and thought i'd have a play
13:13<daemonkeeper>Moreover: What's your device about? How much space do you have left on your flash disk
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13:13<daemonkeeper>Can you paste outputs of df -h and a mount?
13:14<DSFBagpuss>do you guys think it would be possible to upgrade to a later vers of debian?
13:14<babilen>Its much easier to just install the current version. I mean you can do all the upgrades, but whatfor?
13:15<DSFBagpuss>df -h -a mount
13:15<DSFBagpuss>df: `mount': No such file or directory
13:15<daemonkeeper>Is it possible to freely install a boot loader and stuff there?
13:15<daemonkeeper>I presume that's an embedded system
13:15<babilen>Oh, yeah. that might be problematic.
13:16<daemonkeeper>DSFBagpuss: Those are two commands, "df -h" and "mount"
13:16<daemonkeeper>Run them independently
13:16<DSFBagpuss>sorry brb
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13:17<DSFBagpuss>df -h
13:17<DSFBagpuss>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
13:17<daemonkeeper>-> pastebin please
13:17<DSFBagpuss>df -h
13:17<DSFBagpuss>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
13:17<darius>without keypord lines x11 doesn't start.. error is cant detect displays :D
13:17<DSFBagpuss>ok sorry
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13:21<dpkg>hello, highwayd3v1l
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13:24<DSFBagpuss>didn't use the -a but proc dfpts and usbfs give zeros
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13:31<DSFBagpuss>Am I beyond help guys ;-)
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13:34<EmleyMoor>Is there a program that can "sew" images together? (e.g. take two 7x12 scans that overlap by an inch and make them into one image of an originally 12x12 picture)
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13:37<DSFBagpuss>EmleyMoor are you from Emley Moor?
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13:38<EmleyMoor>DSFBagpuss: NNo but familiar with it
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13:38<DSFBagpuss>From Huddersfield myself ;-)
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13:39<daemonkeeper>DSFBagpuss: Your root file system seems stripped down. You would need to reformat your disk and reinstall Debian to get any new programs.
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13:40<DSFBagpuss>ooh that sounds interesting!
13:40<DSFBagpuss>is it possible to do that via ethernet or usb disk as there is no CD-ROM
13:41<EmleyMoor>DSFBagpuss: Both possible - done USB installs myself
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13:42<Kev671>use unetbootin to create a usb bootable device
13:42<Kev671>nice software
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13:43<DSFBagpuss>this should be fun lol ;-)
13:44<daemonkeeper>DSFBagpuss: _generally_ possible. The particular case depends on your embedded system. You probably shouldn't touch this, unless you know what you're doing
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13:44<Kev671>Sorry but about which device are we talking?
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13:46<DSFBagpuss>Its a buffalo linkstation, 300gb HD-LAN thingie
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13:47<EmleyMoor>Anyone know of a reasonable scanner that has a 13" square image area?
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13:49<DSFBagpuss>Is this a 'no' guys?
13:49<Kev671>Ok. And you want to install debian and configure it like a NAS, isn'it?
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13:49<daemonkeeper>DSFBagpuss: Sure, but its not a pure x86 IBM PC where someone once prepared a Debian Sarge and stripped it to a 300M system. We have no clue about the boot loader, kernel requirements and third party additions. You're basically on your own.
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13:51<DSFBagpuss>guys you've been a great help... i'll keep playing, hopefully i won't brick it, but if i do it's my fault lol ;-)
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13:54<EmleyMoor>I've found a manual way to do what I want - but if anyone knows an automatic way to join part scans of the same picture together, please let me know
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13:56<CutMeOwnThroat>EmleyMoor, all those panorama thingie programs can do it... the trick is to get them to _not_ correct for the camera lens distortion... namely hugin
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13:57<CutMeOwnThroat>the not-so-nice part is, that it's NOT and easy trick to do
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13:57<CutMeOwnThroat>at least not for the slightly-different thing I wanted to do... yammv
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14:00<EmleyMoor>Damn, so hard to scan the thing straight
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14:01<thunder1212>anyone usin gnome3?
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14:03<babilen>thunder1212: I am sure it is used by a bunch of people. I can't provide reliable statistics though. If you are thinking of installing it on Debian and your actual was "How to get it running on Debian" read
14:03<babilen>thunder1212: In short: Don't do it yet
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14:04<thunder1212>thnx babilen i wont do it.. ;)
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14:16<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... finding a shop that can do them might be easier
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14:17<josi>if I get a error like this : error: '__sysconf' was not declared in this scope , when I try to compile ... any idea what kind of package I missed to install? I have build-essential and I do not get any errors about a .h missing .
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14:18<daemonkeeper>Its not a missing package, but a program error
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14:19<josi>right... I start to hate this thing.. it seems to only compile on ubuntu.
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14:20<daemonkeeper>I presume, your program is not including some headers, perhaps unistd.h
14:20<josi>it actually does . unistd.h is included
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14:20<daemonkeeper>Is it found? Paste the full compile output to a pastebin.
14:21<lastwill>but how the source could be compiled on ubuntu with this kind of error
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14:21<lastwill>#ifdef __UBUNTU__ #define __COMPILE__ #endif
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14:22<josi>I didnt have the error on Ubuntu. and opensuse has a wacky error in their packages and miss a bunch of headers I need.
14:22<josi>also it uses scons....
14:22<josi>well gimem a m minute and Ill paste it.
14:22<daemonkeeper>Well, or libc-dev is missing, lastwill
14:22<josi>lemme see that
14:23<josi>I have linux-libc-dev . right one?
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14:24<josi>libc-dev-bin is there too. but libc-dev? cant find it. ... Oh and Im on wheezy.
14:24<daemonkeeper>The package is called libc6-dev. I was too lazy to give the full name.
14:24<josi>yep present
14:25<daemonkeeper>But as you said, you installed build-essential it comes along
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14:25<daemonkeeper>So, paste the full output.
14:25<josi>im on it ^^
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14:27<daemonkeeper>Re-run with make V=1
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14:27<etenil>Hi there
14:28<josi>well its not make :/ ... its "scons"
14:28<daemonkeeper>Whatever it is, you need to instruct it to show full compiling and linking output.
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14:31<etenil>I lost graphics acceleration (on an ATI card with open-source driver) since an update yesterday on testing. The message he's got with glxinfo is "Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig". Here's his update log from yesterday: . Is there any particular reason for this to happen?
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14:32<devil>etenil: are you sure he is using radeon driver?
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14:33<chealer>etenil: yes. see
14:33<etenil>Yes. It's using the gallium3d stack
14:33<etenil>thanks chealer, I'll go through this
14:34<etenil>btw, is there like a RSS feed to keep updated on the issues popping up in testing?
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14:36<valdyn>etenil: use apt-listbugs
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14:40<chealer>etenil: no. that was on Planet Debian, but not a post in a thousand are on this topic
14:41<ml|>etenil: might also want apt-listchanges
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14:42<josi>I just want to kill this damn program.... Arrghhhhh and I ahte scons... I cant seem to find anything to make it more ... verbose
14:43<Black_Prince>Ah, libreoffice is in squeeze backports
14:43<etenil>thanks everyone
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14:45<Ela>Helo all ;)
14:46<Ela>Can someone suggest me any cool CLI apps? I tried e.g. cmus or moc but they didn't work :-\ I wanna save some of RAM running CLI apps instead, thanx for any tip!
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14:48<Black_Prince>Ela, cli apps for?
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14:49<daemonkeeper>instead of nifty GUIs? :)
14:49<Ela>daemonkeeper: YEP ! :)
14:50<devil>Ela: moc works ™
14:50<daemonkeeper>Well, you already have them. Just remove all GUIs you don't need
14:51<Ela>Black_Prince: e.g. any music player which will work, I have uninstalled amarok due it's been a lot of RAM sucker :-( Juk is enough however any CLI would be good also ;)
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14:51<Ela>devil: for me not, it yelled 'internal error' or what :O
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14:51<ml|>mplayer, mutt, rtorrent, w3m, newsbueter, screen; to name a few ;)
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14:52<devil>Ela: delete .moc
14:53<Ela>ml: mplayer but cannot play flac files, IMO...
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14:53<ml|>yes it can
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14:53<Ela>devil: I coud try but it didn't worked just after install from repo...
14:53<daemonkeeper>mplayer plays everything.
14:53<daemonkeeper>Including crappy, binary, non-free Windows codecs.
14:54<ml|>mpd with ncmpcpp; but does take some setup work
14:54<Ela>daemonkeeper: ok, i'll try to play any flac with the mplayer, I'll see ;)
14:54<Ela>is it possible to run in CLI too? 'cos Kate is a cool editor, IMHO :D
14:54<Ela> it possible to run Kate... :)
14:55<ml|>vim! ;0
14:55<Black_Prince>Ela you have to install mplayer from debian multimedia for flac support
14:55<Ela>ml: I prefer the best - Nano to wim :p
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14:55<ml|>sure, heh
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14:57<Ela>Black_Prince: I have in sources.list multimedia but installing just by: apt-get ... mplayer, however I'll check it out ;)
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14:57<Ela>I am still feelin' newbie so have to learn hard to use the Debian (even all if it'd be possible :p) from CLI :D :D
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14:58<ml|>Ela: you want mplayer-nogui from dmm
14:58<Ela>...but there are not always a lot of study sources on the net :-(
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14:58<Ela>ml: so I have to slap 'apt-get instal mplayer-nogui' instead?
14:58<ml|>Ela: /msg dpkg reference
14:59<josi>hmm could my " '__sysconf' was not declared in this scope " problem be this : ?
14:59<ml|>yes, for that version from dmm
14:59<ml|>Ela: ^
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14:59<Ela>? :)
14:59<Ela>what ^ means ? :D
14:59<ml|>read up ^ ;)
15:00<Ela>now I a testing irssi, it looks fine ;)
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15:00<ml|>yes irssi is great, how did we forget to mention that? ;)
15:00<Ela>ml: what irc app you are on just now, BTW ? :p
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15:01*Black_Prince is heavy gui user
15:01*Black_Prince uses xchat atm
15:01<ml|>irssi of course :)
15:01<Ela>a cool place with some useful infos is here:
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15:01<ml|>I use whatever works, but usually use cli apps over gui whenever possible
15:02<Ela>And what about Cathrin (Kate :D) is it possible to run her :D in CLI also or just GUI? I haven't tried it yet...
15:05<Black_Prince>KDE Advanced Text Editor?
15:05<Ela>Yep, Kate, do u know it/her? :D
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15:05<Black_Prince>I don't think it will run in console
15:05<Ela>I jsut checked (by aptitude search) mplayer-nogui but there is any source :O, just mplayer... :-\
15:05<Black_Prince>And I am not KDE user ... So I don't use it
15:06<Black_Prince>Ela, apt-get update
15:06<devil>Ela: there is vim to the rescue
15:06<ml|>you need to have dmm in your sources.list
15:07*devil frowns
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15:07<josi>Hmm it seems that there was a bug in teh wheezy glibc, updated to unstables libc6, and it ... compiles "more" :p...
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15:07<tal>Hi all! Can I build an Ubuntu source package as Debian package, after I changed "control" and "files" files?
15:08<Ela>BTW, how is the exact source for dmm for squeezy to check my sources.liist out, pls?
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15:08<tal>Ela: What do you mean?
15:08<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
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15:09<Ela>devil: vim sux :P I think it's kinda hard to learn, nano is easy & cool, IMHO :)
15:09<Black_Prince>Ela, do /msg dpkg dmm squeeze ... Oh and we have same oppinion about vim, it is too hard, nano is lot easier. :/
15:10<devil>Ela: nano owes to vim anytime, vim is half an operating system (emacs is 1.5 operating systems)
15:10<Ela>can u paste the source line (deb ...) for dmm so I could check it with my own? (for squeezy) Thanx.
15:11<Black_Prince>Ela, deb squeeze main non-free
15:12<lindi->tal: with some luck it migh work
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15:12<tal>lindi I realy need that
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15:13<tal>I changed the deps, but I get this error in dh_buildpackage: dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Failed to sign .dsc and .changes file
15:13<Ela>Thanx, now it finally found that one -nogui :) So I'm gonna install it and see...
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15:13<Black_Prince>tal, I've done it ... Sure I had to change some package names in control files but I done it
15:13<lindi->tal: well you can not sign it as somebody else of course
15:14<lindi->tal: use your own name or do not sign
15:14<tal>lindi: I first want to test it
15:14<tal>Why do I get this error?
15:15<lindi->tal: well it should creatw packages if it gets to that error
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15:15<salman>I still do not have windows frames and titles on any program window in my gnome in debian squeeze. metacity is installed and running as confirmed by pidof metacity
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15:15<tal>Yes, but this contain only the docs in /usr/share
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15:15<lindi->tal: because you are not using your own name in changelog
15:16<tal>lindi: Which changlog?
15:16<lindi->tal: debian/changelog file
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15:17<tal>lindi: I want it genearate binaries too, so how does it realated?
15:17<lindi->tal: that warning does not cause binaries not to be creates
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15:18<tal>lindi: So what does? Is it there but I can't see?
15:19<lindi->tal: better put the dsc and build log online
15:19<tal>You mean the dh_buildpackage stdout?
15:20<lindi->tal: just use debuild. it creates build log
15:20<lindi->stdout does not have errors you know :)
15:21<tal>lindi: Yeh.. sorry. Here it is(last lines):
15:21<tal>W: xnoise: extended-description-line-too-long
15:21<tal>W: xnoise: extended-description-line-too-long
15:21<tal>W: xnoise: empty-binary-package
15:21<tal>Finished running lintian.
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15:24<Ela>I just checked the mplayer (no gui) - it worsk :) Just have to learn how to mange it - control it etc. :p Thanx for the tip ;)
15:25<Ela>BTW, just listening to a cool Avatar soundtrack :-* :)
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15:25<tal>I'm very sorry for pasting here, realy didn't know. Here it is now:
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15:27<tal>Here is the full log
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15:32<Ela> /msg .
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15:32<Ela> /msg dpkg
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15:32<Ela>:O :)
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15:34<tal>Sorry for the pasting in here. I have post the full log of dhbuild here:
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15:41<Black_Prince>use dpkg-buildpackage with -uc and -us flags
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15:42<tal>Black_Prince: Does not output error, but doesn't build source
15:43<Black_Prince>tal, what do you mean by "does not build source"?
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15:44<tal>In the .deb file, only "share" is in the "usr" dir
15:44<tal>Black_Prince: And there's only "doc" dir in the "share"
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15:46<salman>how to restore windows frames (decorations?) to my gnome in squeeze?
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15:47<tal>Black_Prince: Here's the new log(with your flags), hope it will be useful:
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15:48<Black_Prince>tal, everything seems ok
15:48<LOllll>this is boring
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15:48<tal>Black_Prince: Do you mean it compile the source?
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15:49<Black_Prince>It builds the package as defined in debian/rules
15:49<Black_Prince>I don't know what does it build.
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15:51<tal>Here's the "rules" file: Does it seems OK for a package which nned to be built by automake?
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15:53<Black_Prince>bad quality package I think
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15:54<Black_Prince>however I am not debian developer, so I don't know lot about packaging. But AFAIK packages that use autotools sure have more lines in rules file
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15:55<tal>Black_Prince: The mainter use lunchpad for building it, is this the reason why this is "empty"?
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15:55<babilen>Black_Prince: No, that is fine. It lets debhelper (man dh7) do the work.
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15:56<Black_Prince>tal, as I told before, I don't know lot about packaging. babilen tells it is fine, so it is ...
15:56<Jonny>hey black prince
15:56<Black_Prince>hi Jonny
15:56<tal>babilen: So how can I build it?
15:57<Jonny>i have my debian hooked up via ethernet now
15:57<babilen>tal: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us is one option
15:57<babilen>tal: But what is this?
15:57<Jonny>i still have no internet even with ethernet connected.....
15:58<Black_Prince>Jonny, kewl. Can you use apt now?
15:58<Black_Prince>Jonny, have you setup your connection?
15:58<Jonny>how do i do that
15:58<tal>babilen: I used the one you mentioned, it didn't work. So how does it use the sebhelper for building this?
15:58<babilen>tal: What is this?
15:58<Black_Prince>Jonny, does your ethernet use dhcp to assign addresses or static ones?
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15:59<Jonny>heh, sorry I dont know
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15:59<tal>babilen: you said "babilen: Black_Prince: No, that is fine. It lets debhelper (man dh7) do the work." so how can I build this way?
15:59<babilen>Jonny: strong indication that you are using dhcp :)
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16:00<babilen>tal: Yes, I know what I said :) -- but what is this package? what are you trying to do? and what is the build error you get?
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16:01<Black_Prince>Jonny, what does ifconfig say ...
16:01<Jonny>...command not found......
16:01<babilen>Jonny: You've just installed Debian? Have you selected/installed the desktop task?
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16:01<babilen>Jonny: You have to run that as root. Enter "su -" and give your root password.
16:02<Black_Prince>babilen, he installed it without connection because he has wireless usb adapters that no kernel module can handle (microsoft things or so)
16:02<babilen>... \o/. So basic system, no x manual configuration?
16:02<Jonny>um, I installed debian a few days ago, haven't done much to it
16:02<Jonny>the computer is pure debian, no partitions or anything
16:02<babilen>Ok, welcome :)
16:02<tal>babilen: This package download using mercurial repo. it can be built using ./ make and make install. This is a media player which wrote it Vala(which compile to C and then to bin). I'm intreasted to build a debian package from it.
16:03<Black_Prince>Jonny, log in as root user or do 'su -' and give root password
16:03<babilen>Jonny: And you just have command line access and don't know how to configure a connection?
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16:03<Jonny>blackprince: ill try that
16:03<Jonny>and babilen: yes
16:04<babilen>tal: If you are interested how to package software for Debian I would recommend to follow the new maintainers guide and ask questions in #debian-mentors.
16:04<Black_Prince>babilen, I think he said that he used ubuntu before debian ...
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16:04<babilen>Black_Prince: sure, no problem with that. Just wasn't sure where to start and what to assume :)
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16:04<Jonny>yeah, hey guys I have to mobilize... I will be right back in about 3 minutes
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16:05<babilen>Jonny: Take your time, nobody is in a hurry
16:05<Jonny>ok awesome :)
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16:05<Black_Prince>babilen, well since I was there when he first asked about it, here is little summary. He is new Debian user, migrated from Ubuntu, used CD1 to install Debian.
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16:06<babilen>Ok, so X is running and network-manager is installed?
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16:06<Black_Prince>babilen, Since he did not have ethernet connection then, he did not installed anything else but base system. He only had wireless usb cards which are microsoft specific (no kernel modules)
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16:06<tal>babilen: Yes I did read this(but I haven't) but I'm no expert in automake. Is there any good "rule" file for this? What method you meant by using "debhelper"? Did you meant the example "rules" files that in there?
16:06<Black_Prince>babilen, but he told he used ndiswrapper with ubuntu back then, so he wants first to install ndiswrapper and then everything else
16:06<babilen>Black_Prince: Ok
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16:06<tal>but I haven't= haven't help to me
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16:08<babilen>tal: Just ask in #debian-mentors, you'll find all the packaging help you can get.
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16:09<tal>Thank you babilen and Black Prince! I'll go there
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16:13<salman>I am not sure if this helps but this is the start of my .xsession-error
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16:20<salman>I am not sure if this helps but this is the start of my .xsession-error :
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16:21<babilen>salman: yes? what should we do with it?
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16:26<salman>babilen, I need help. I am running gnome on squeeze but do not have any windows frames or titles although metacity is running. the only thing I found was this error file which I could not understand fully
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16:28<mynameisearl>salman what happens when you run metacity --replace
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16:29<Jonny>I'm back
16:30<Jonny>sorry, it was more than 3 minutes haha... i hope you guys are still here
16:30<devil>nah, all gone.
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16:31<nodisc>Hello all, my netbook screen backlight doesnt come up when resuming from sleep, making it unusable. I'm running wheezy on kernel 2.6.38-2-amd64.
16:31<nodisc> I've tried using pm-suspend quirks, but /var/log/pm-suspend says: "Kernel modesetting video driver detected, not using quirks."
16:31<salman>mynameisearl, nothing, the screen refresh and I ... still do not have windows frames
16:31*Black_Prince is still here
16:31<devil>nodisc: double posting does not help
16:32<devil>nodisc: please have patience
16:32<nodisc>devil: ? I posted just posted this in #debian-next, didn't double post here
16:32<Jonny>so I have ethernet connected, I still dont' have internet
16:33<Black_Prince>Jonny, did you login as root on debian machine*
16:33<Jonny>says authentication failure
16:33<Black_Prince>Did you enabled root login on debian installation?
16:33<Jonny>em, I'm not sure
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16:33<mynameisearl>salman Window manager warning: Failed to read saved session file /home/salman/.config/metacity/sessions/ Failed to open file '/home/salman/.config/metacity/sessions/': No such file or directory try to rename .config folder and redo the metacity --replace
16:34<Black_Prince>Jonny, does sudo work as normal user
16:34<nodisc>so, The video driver is i915, on a Intel 3150 card, and I've had this problem on another laptop (KMS drivers in use > not able to use quirks > not able to power up the backlight), still I have no solution
16:34<salman>mynameisearl, I noticed this, but yah, I do not have that file and I do not know why
16:34<Jonny>wow... it says sudo not found...
16:34<nodisc>Is there a way i can use quirks while keeping KMS on ? Or do you have _any_ other idea? thanks
16:35<Black_Prince>Jonny, you don't know your root password and sudo is not installed. That means only one thing ...
16:35<mynameisearl>salman maybe a relogin is need that .config gets recreated
16:35<Jonny>... what does that mean
16:35<Jonny>i do know my root password
16:35<salman>mynameisearl, I tried to reboot too but nothing changed
16:36<Black_Prince>Jonny, login as root then.
16:36<Jonny>alright hold on
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16:37<Jonny>well this is dumb
16:37<Jonny>i might have to instal debian
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16:37<Black_Prince>Jonny, no. That is last option we recommend.
16:37<Jonny>oh ok lol
16:37<Black_Prince>Jonny, root password can be reset.
16:38<Jonny>its possible i typed in something other than what I intended as password on setup
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16:38<mynameisearl>salman maybe a reconfigure of metacity helps
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16:39<salman>mynameisearl, I tried dpkg-reconfigure metacity , nothing changed
16:39<Jonny>blackprince: so I should reset the root?
16:40<Black_Prince>Jonny, reboot your computer/laptop. When you get OS selection menu (Grub), mark the Debian GNU/Linux line, hit e and get back here.
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16:41<Black_Prince>Jonny, it is line with (Recovery) at the end.
16:41<mynameisearl>salman, try metacity --replace --sm-disable
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16:41<Jonny>i missed it, there isn't much time to pick one... the down arrow didnt' work
16:42<Jonny>ill retry
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16:44<Black_Prince>Can you hit 'e' while on first one?
16:44<Jonny>wow its like 2 seconds to do something
16:44<GordonGR>hallo! I have debian testing, onboard graphics card intel gma x4500 and since yesterday when there was an update to the xserver I don't have GL :S
16:44<Jonny>blackprince: i will try again
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16:45<nodisc>GordonGR, can you show your /var/log/Xorg.0.log please ?
16:45<devil>GordonGR: there is bug reports
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16:46<Jonny>Also, sometimes the debian login screen is shaking all over the place, what is the cause of that?
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16:46<GordonGR>devil sure, which part do you want?
16:46<devil>GordonGR: and there is
16:47<Black_Prince>Jonny, if it is easier for you and you don't have anything to loose, do a reinstall.
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16:48<GordonGR>devil " Solution: Stick to 2:1.10.2-1 packages" so, that's what I have to do?
16:48<Jonny>its i switched out the keyboard, and ill try again
16:49<Jonny>*its ok... not sure how a whole word went missing
16:49<GordonGR>ok, I'll downgrade then... thanks!
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16:49<Jonny>yeah it was keyboard
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16:49<Jonny>starting in recovery mode now
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16:50<Jonny>it says give root password for mainenance, or type control D to continue
16:50<Black_Prince>Er, you will still need root password for that.
16:50<Black_Prince>I told you just to mark it, and then hit e
16:50<GordonGR>devil to make sure I understood it, I have to downgrade to xdmx_1.10.2-1_i386.deb ?
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16:51<Jonny>ok im restarted and going to hit e this time
16:51<Jonny>ok im at menu
16:52<Black_Prince>So, you got on cmd line editor?
16:52<GordonGR>devil I currently have :1.10.2-1+b1
16:52<salman>mynameisearl, tried : metacity --replace --sm-disable , no frames still
16:52<Jonny>i see different options
16:53<Jonny>insmod part_msdos
16:53<Jonny>is first option
16:53<Black_Prince>So, go to the end of the line that starts with 'linux /boot/...'
16:54<Jonny>i see "Ctrl-c" for command line
16:54<Black_Prince>Make it to look like 'linux /boot/vmlinuz-xxx root=xxxx ro quiet rw single init=/bin/bash'
16:55<Jonny>i see a line that starts that way and is similar
16:55<Black_Prince>Yeah it is similar, you have to add last 3 words to it
16:55<mynameisearl>salman, did you rename the .config folder before reboot?
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16:56<salman>mynameisearl, you mean ~/.config/ ? no. I think there are many other things there as well
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16:57<Jonny>ok i made the line look like that
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16:57<Black_Prince>hit ctrl + x
16:57<mynameisearl>salman therefor you should rename the folder so you can rename it back if wanted but you can check if the problem is in the config folder for the sesssions.this seems to be a known bug.
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16:58<Jonny>now i see
16:58<Jonny>root@(none):/# _
16:58<salman>mynameisearl, I will try that... thanks
16:58<Black_Prince>Jonny, type 'passwd'
16:58<mynameisearl>salman np just trying to help
16:59<Jonny>ok and i put my new password here
16:59<Black_Prince>Jonny, and choose new root password, and remember it now
16:59<Jonny>password updated successfully
16:59<Black_Prince>Jonny, type 'reboot' and boot normaly, then login as root
17:00<Jonny>ok so... thats how you change root password
17:00<Black_Prince>Jonny, yes.
17:00<Black_Prince>It's called recovery :>
17:00<Jonny>does that mean anyone that knows that can get on a debian comp and change the root pasword
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17:00<Black_Prince>Jonny, yes.
17:00<Jonny>okay then
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17:03<Jonny>ok su - login works now
17:03<Black_Prince>Jonny, hurray! What does ifconfig say?
17:04<Jonny>well a lot of stuff
17:04<Black_Prince>only first lines, like eth0, lo ...
17:04<Black_Prince>Does it show anything else than eth0 and lo ?
17:04<Jonny>first line is:
17:04<Jonny>i dont see eth0 anywhere
17:04<Black_Prince>What do you see?
17:04<Jonny>first line is: lo Link encap:Local Loopback
17:05<Black_Prince>Jonny, sorry. It is ifconfig -a
17:05<Jonny>alright i have 2 results eth0 and lo
17:05<Black_Prince>Jonny, ok. Try typing 'dhclient eth0'
17:06<Jonny>it might be doing someting
17:06<Jonny>its just blank right now
17:07<Jonny>looks done now
17:07<Black_Prince>Jonny, have you seen something like dhclient: bound to -- renewal in 1497 seconds
17:07<Jonny>dhclient eth0 didn't display anything, it took around 20 seconds and now is back to root@xxxxx
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17:08<Black_Prince>Jonny, ok. Try 'ping'
17:08<Jonny>unkown host
17:08<Black_Prince>Wow. Now another problem.
17:08<Jonny>i suppose i am unlucky
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17:09<Jonny>does that mean simply the internet isn't working?
17:09<Jonny>or something else..
17:09<Black_Prince>Jonny, yes, it does.
17:09<Black_Prince>Jonny, what does lspci | grep -i Net say
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17:10<Jonny>00:08.0 Ethernet controller: Relatek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
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17:11<Black_Prince>Jonny, ok that is enough.
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17:11<Black_Prince>Jonny, so it looks like your network is not using dhcp.
17:12<Jonny>That realtek semiconductor thing looks like similar result to the wireless adapter
17:12<Jonny>should i unplug that
17:12<Black_Prince>Jonny, do you have maybe 2 ethernet cards?
17:12<Jonny>because now im just trying to set up normal ethernet haha... so i can setup ndiswrapper afterwords
17:13<Jonny>i have ethernet plugged in and the wireless adapter
17:13<Jonny>i should unplug the wirelss right?
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17:13<Black_Prince>Jonny, not needed. Ethernet configuration is your problem now. Try dhclient -v eth0
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17:14<Jonny>ok there are 4 lines, after some intro info, each has "no such device" at the end
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17:14<GordonGR>So, I try to downgrade using the snapshot and aptitude replies "Release file expired, ignoring (invalid since 12d 6h 51min 33s)"
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17:15<Bro>da herro
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17:15<Black_Prince>Jonny, argh. That is bug in kernel that I experienced once with same ethernet card.
17:15<Black_Prince>Jonny, try downloading debian netinstall image and installing via it with ethernet plugged in.
17:17<gnugr>Jonny: try once " ifconfig eth0 promisc " please ( i'm curious)
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17:17<Jonny>nothing shown
17:17<gnugr>ok ty
17:18<Black_Prince>Jonny, and does ifconfig eth1 return anything?
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17:20<Jonny>device not found
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17:20<Black_Prince>Jonny, ok.
17:21<Black_Prince>Jonny, try reinstalling with same disc you have.
17:21<Black_Prince>That is some weird kernel bug. First time that card worked for me, second time did not, and third time it did again.
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17:22<Jonny>because im downloading the net CD
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17:22<Black_Prince>Jonny, wait a sec. Try this: rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
17:22<Jonny>smaller one
17:22<Black_Prince>And reboot
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17:25<Jonny>its rebooted
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17:25<Black_Prince>Try now 'dhclient -v eth0'
17:25<salman>mynameisearl, I renamed .config and rebooted. I still do not have window frames. this is the new .xsession-error:
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17:27<Jonny>i don't see any "no device found"
17:27<guilherme>is the pid a sequential number?? programs that runs first gets smaller pids then others?
17:27<Jonny>says listening on xxxxxxxxx/xxxx
17:27<Black_Prince>Jonny, try now ping
17:27<mynameisearl>salman, try dpkg reconfigure gnome-session
17:27<Jonny>its doing stuff how do i cancel
17:27<Black_Prince>Ok, wait untill it's done
17:28<dvs>???? ping doesnt finish on its own
17:28<Jonny>unkown host
17:28<Black_Prince>Jonny, so your ethernet does not use dhcp :|
17:28<Jonny>well it wasn't pingi was waiting for
17:29<Jonny>well its a verizon router we have
17:29<Jonny>i know our IP changes sometimes
17:29<salman>mynameisearl, done, going for -another- reboot
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17:29<Jonny>i don't know if that is related in any way
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17:29<nodisc>Hello all, my netbook screen backlight doesnt come up when resuming from sleep... I'm running wheezy on kernel 2.6.38-2-amd64, already tried to use pm-suspend quirks, but /var/log/pm-suspend says: "Kernel modesetting video driver detected, not using quirks.". Any idea on how to get this working?
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17:29<Black_Prince>Jonny, that is external ip. Your router needs to assign ip to your computer. How did you connect from any other computer to that router?
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17:30<Jonny>just an ethernet wire
17:30<Black_Prince>What was the last line of 'dhclient -v eth0'
17:31<Jonny>No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
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17:31<Black_Prince>Is network cable plugged in properly, on right port?
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17:32<Jonny>pretty sure
17:32<Black_Prince>Jonny, you don't have two ethernet cards, right?
17:33<Jonny>there is the motherboard input
17:33<Jonny>and there is also a card
17:33<Jonny>seperate card, i think we had in there one time for wireless
17:33<Black_Prince>In which one you connected your ethernet cable?
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17:33<Jonny>it is in the motherboard
17:33<Black_Prince>Try connecting it into other one
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17:34<Jonny>ok then what should i type
17:34<Black_Prince>same, dhclient -v eth0
17:35<Jonny>ping seems to be working
17:35<Black_Prince>Jonny, horray! hit ctrl+c to cancel ping.
17:35<Jonny>it works
17:35<Jonny>epiphany browser is on
17:36<Jonny>thats weird i tried it on that line before
17:36<Jonny>oh well
17:36<Black_Prince>Jonny, we can now proceed to everything else.
17:36<Jonny>haha yeah
17:36<Black_Prince>Jonny, you are from US right?
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17:38<Black_Prince>Ok, do this echo 'deb squeeze main contrib non-free' > /etc/apt/sources.list
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17:39<Jonny>didn't show anything
17:39<Black_Prince>Jonny, type now cat /etc/apt/sources.list
17:39<Black_Prince>Jonny, does it show 'deb squeeze main contrib non-free' line?
17:40<Black_Prince>Jonny, run apt-get update
17:40<Jonny>o0o... its doin stuff
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17:41<Black_Prince>Jonny, wait untill it's done.
17:41<Jonny>its done
17:41<Jonny>im doing all of this in root ... is that ok?
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17:42<Black_Prince>Jonny, now type this onto one line. apt-get install ndisgtk wireless-tools network-manager-gnome
17:42<Black_Prince>Jonny, yes. You could not done it without root.
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17:43<Black_Prince>Jonny, you may have noticed that debian does not have sudo by default. In ubuntu commands would be prefixed with sudo <some command> and ran with normal user.
17:43<Jonny>unable to locate network-manage
17:43<Jonny>*package network-manage
17:44<Jonny>yeah ur right
17:44<Jonny>i was wondring that
17:44<Black_Prince>Er, did you type it exactly as I've written it?
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17:44<Jonny>]haha no
17:45<Jonny>its downloading
17:45<Black_Prince>Just wait.
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17:45<Black_Prince>Prepare your windows driver for wireless card.
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17:46<Jonny>thanks for all the help btw!
17:46<Black_Prince>Yo welcome
17:46<Jonny>i have question: can u open another terminal and do things when another is processing something
17:47<Black_Prince>Jonny, sure.
17:47<Jonny>alright, nobby linux question
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17:47<Jonny>ok its done
17:47<Jonny>and how do u get out of root user?
17:47<Black_Prince>Jonny, I am not familiar with ndiswrapper, so I guess you are on your own now.
17:48<Black_Prince>Jonny, logout
17:48<Black_Prince>Jonny, can you remember how did you done it in ubuntu?
17:48<Jonny>yeah i can figure it out
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17:48<devil>Black_Prince: there is terminal in Ubuntu?
17:48<Jonny>i remember ubuntu had a gui program for ndiswrapper, i got through packages or something, i hope its not too much more difficult on debian
17:49<Black_Prince>devil, I instructed him to install GTK front-end to ndiswrapper
17:49<Black_Prince>Jonny, you just installed it. It should be somewhere in System menu.
17:49<devil>um, never used ndiswrapper
17:49<Black_Prince>devil, same.
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17:49<daemonkeeper>If Ubuntu had a frontend, most likely Debian has as well
17:50<Jonny>aaah sweet
17:50<Jonny>yeah its the same thing
17:50<Jonny>love it
17:51<Jonny>thanks aga
17:51<Black_Prince>Is your wireless up now?
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17:51<devil>Jonny: please give your enter key a brake
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17:57<nodisc>Hello all, my netbook screen backlight doesnt come up when resuming from sleep... I'm running wheezy on kernel 2.6.38-2-amd64, any idea on how to get this working? I can provide more details
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17:58<Black_Prince>nodisc, do you have acpi-support package installed?
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17:58<nodisc>yes, of course
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17:59<nodisc>Black_Prince, not that the system resumes well from sleep, only the screen is not lit up
17:59<Black_Prince>nodisc, screen is black?
17:59<nodisc>I can still enter commands, at blind
18:00<nodisc>yes. No backlight. The function keys (brightness) do not work, echoing values to /sys/class/acpi/backlight/xx/brigthness do not work either
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18:01<Black_Prince>nodisc, I had same issue with an intel card :/
18:01<devil>nodisc: a workaround could be xbacklight
18:01<nodisc>yes, it's the scond time for me, last time with an Nvidia card
18:02<Black_Prince>If I quit, it's suspend not working ...
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18:02<nodisc>It looks like some parameters to the pm-suspend command could fix that, however, as my driver is using kernel modesetting, these parameters are ignored
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18:03<guilherme>is the pid a sequential number?? programs that runs first gets smaller pids then others?
18:03<daemonkeeper>Roughly sequential
18:03<nodisc>i have read man pm-utils, used the pm-suspend parameters, and /var/log/pm-suspend says: "Kernel modesetting video driver detected, not using quirks."
18:03<daemonkeeper>Some patches randomize it
18:03<daemonkeeper>e.g. grsecurity
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18:04<Revenger>It does work
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18:05<Jonny>does anyone here have any experience with ndiswrapper?
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18:05<Black_Prince>It does work, but there is some gnome shell bug that just covers my screen with white.
18:05<dpkg>NDISwrapper enables use of Windows XP network device drivers in Linux (x86 and x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver available, consider using that instead, for wireless LAN ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> or see to install. 16-bit PC Card (PCMCIA) devices are not supported. #ndiswrapper on
18:05<daemonkeeper>guilherme: You should not rely on any rumber, or trying to predict it.
18:05<Jonny>oh there is IRC channel for ndiswrapper?
18:06<salman>I did a dpkg-reconfigure gnome-session but again, still I have gnome with metacity but no frames on windows, please help
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18:06<nodisc>my card is an Intel 3150, with the i915 driver.
18:06<devil>Jonny: probably not. the project is barely alive
18:06<Black_Prince>Jonny, what is the problem now.
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18:06<Black_Prince>nodisc, mine is Intel 865G with same driver.
18:07<nodisc>Black_Prince: could you do a lsmod|grep kms please?
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18:07<Jonny>just trying to figure out ndiswrapper
18:08<Black_Prince>drm_kms_helper 18309 1 i915
18:08<Black_Prince>Jonny, can't you do something with ndiswrapper gui program?
18:09<Jonny>yeah, im sure im real close to getting it working, the microsoft wireless adaptor's light is flashing
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18:10<Black_Prince>Jonny, if unsure do 'iwconfig' as root and see if there are any wireless devices
18:11<Jonny>wlan0 is a result with information
18:11<Black_Prince>Jonny, driver is installed.
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18:12<Black_Prince>Jonny, do this as root echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules
18:12<Jonny>did it
18:12<Black_Prince>Jonny, then reboot, and check again iwconfig output.
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18:12<Jonny>shouldnt' i see a wireless signal at the top right when its working?
18:13<Black_Prince>Jonny, you need to reboot after network manager instalation.
18:13<Jonny>its rebooting
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18:14<Jonny>its reboote
18:15<Black_Prince>Jonny, again as root do iwconfig and see if wlan0 is still there
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18:15<Jonny>its there
18:15<Black_Prince>Jonny, do you have network icon now in notification area?
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18:16<salman>I even tried to change the themes.. but nothing changes
18:16<Jonny>only the wired network connection
18:16<Black_Prince>Jonny, er. Do again 'apt-get install network-manager-gnome'
18:17<Jonny>its done
18:17<Jonny>said 0 upgraded and 0 newly installed
18:17<Black_Prince>As normal user, do nm_applet
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18:18<Jonny>command not found
18:18<Black_Prince>Jonny, sorry it is nm-applet
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18:18<Jonny>has warning
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18:18<Jonny>couldn't initialize the D-Buts manager.
18:18<Black_Prince>Did you got back to terminal prompt?
18:19<Black_Prince>Jonny, finish your instalation with 'apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment'
18:20<Black_Prince>Since you installed from CD1 only, I guess you are missing some packages.
18:20<Jonny>alright its going
18:20<Jonny>will this download from all CD's??
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18:20<Black_Prince>Jonny, no.
18:21<Black_Prince>Jonny, one sec. Does your connection still work in Debian installation?
18:22<Jonny>what do you mean? this is the same Debian from the beginning, and the internet works with wired ethernet
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18:22<Black_Prince>I was just asking if wired is still working
18:22<Jonny>oh yeah it is
18:22<Jonny>the desktop-environment is downloading
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18:23<Jonny>so where did sudo command go?
18:23<Black_Prince>Jonny, grep -i netdev /etc/group
18:24<Black_Prince>Jonny, it will get installed with gnome-desktop-environment package
18:24<Jonny>says: netdev:x:111:
18:24<Black_Prince>Jonny, do adduser yourusername netdev as root
18:24<Black_Prince>replace yourusername with login name you use
18:25<Jonny>says only one or two names allowed
18:25<Black_Prince>eg, adduser jonny netdev
18:25<Jonny>now grep command?
18:26<Jonny>same with "jonny" attached
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18:26<Black_Prince>Ok, thats fine. Wait untill installing is finished.
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18:26<Jonny>it is
18:26<Black_Prince>You may also want to adduser youruser sudo
18:27<Black_Prince>If you intend to use sudo, but we here use root access or su command
18:27<Jonny>ill just leave it as is
18:27<Jonny>now, should i reboot or something?
18:27<Black_Prince>yeah, reboot once more
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18:28<salman>can someone give me some help on my windows frames issue, I tried everything I know so far
18:29<Black_Prince>salman, have you tried creating new user and login in as it?
18:29<Jonny>blackrpince: it says there is a process running in the terminal
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18:29<nodisc>salman, does metacity appear in your process list?
18:29<Black_Prince>It is su command
18:30<Black_Prince>Just click end task
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18:31<Jonny>also it is happening more often now, when i reboot the GUI is shaking all over the place
18:31<Jonny>well not all over the place, but shaking
18:31<nodisc>salman, run pstree|grep metacity in a terminal, does it return something?
18:31<Black_Prince>Jonny, what do you mean by "shaking" ?
18:32<Jonny>the gui shakes around
18:32<Jonny>doesn't matter ill deal with that later
18:32<Jonny>it fixes wonce i press auto adjust on monitor
18:32<Jonny>ok so i still don't see wireless icon in notification
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18:33<Black_Prince>Jonny, can you pastebin your /var/log/daemon.log from that machine
18:33<salman>Black_Prince, yes. same
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18:34<Jonny>how can i do that
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18:34<Black_Prince>You have internet there.
18:34<Black_Prince>As normal user do gedit /var/log/daemon.log
18:34<salman>nodisc, yes, and I can get its pid with pidof
18:34<Black_Prince>Paste everything into pastebin
18:35<Jonny>where is pastebin
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18:37<salman>Black_Prince, nodisc, the only place I found with errors is the ~/.xsession-error, and this is it:
18:37<Jonny>ive never used pastebin
18:37<Jonny>its pasted, now what
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18:38<Black_Prince>just paste the text into the big editbox, click submit, and paste link from addressbar here
18:38<salman>Black_Prince, nodisc, I even renamed .config and rebooted the system
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18:38<Black_Prince>salman, do you have compiz or docky installed?
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18:38<salman>Black_Prince, yes both are installed, but not running... I think
18:39<Black_Prince>salman, purge them
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18:41<Jonny>I have to go
18:41<Jonny>might be on later
18:41<Jonny>thanks for the help
18:41<salman>nodisc, Black_Prince, purging now. btw, the about windows does have all the components, border frame, window title, max, min & close buttons, but the main program windows does not have any of these
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18:51<salman>Black_Prince, I purged both docky and compiz, logged off and on again.. still the same
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18:52<Black_Prince>salman, what debian version?
18:52<salman>Black_Prince, squeeze
18:53<Black_Prince>salman, paste .xsession-errrors now
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18:53<salman>Black_Prince, strange thing is.. I am running a 'frameless' xchat but when I open about its window is ok
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18:56<raylu>when installing cacti, it pulled in libphp-adodb and i got the warning: . access pages on my lighttpd through fastcgi-php now gives warnings. what can i do about this?
18:56<raylu>(mod_fastcgi.c.2701) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: mysql_pconnect(): Headers and client library minor version mismatch. Headers:50149 Library:50207 in /usr/share/php/adodb/driver
18:57<daemonkeeper>The warning pretty much tells you what to do
18:57<Black_Prince>salman, just of curiosity, can you also pastebin /var/log/daemon.log
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19:01<Black_Prince>salman, sorry I quit. Did you post something after I asked you to paste daemon.log ?
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19:07<ml|>Black_Prince: he did not
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19:08<Black_Prince>ml|, thanks. My window manager crashed :|
19:08<ml|>np, ouch ;)
19:09<salman>Black_Prince, /var/log/daemon.log is empty
19:09<Black_Prince>gnome shell just froze, and I restart gdm, but it threw me into fallback mode :|
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19:10<Black_Prince>salman, do you have dbus installed?
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19:11<salman>Black_Prince, yes
19:13<Black_Prince>Is it running?
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19:16<chant-irc>How can I find the list of packages which require a given package>
19:16<Black_Prince>I am pretty sure that I have received upgrade for dbus today, but I don't see it's changelog :|
19:16<salman>Black_Prince, I think, ps -aux show: dbus-daemon --system , /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/bin/seahorse-agent --execute gnome-session , /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 8 --session
19:17<Black_Prince>salman, have you messed with permissions lately?
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19:18<Black_Prince>salman, ls -l /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper
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19:22<salman>Black_Prince, no, I rarely do that. as requested: -rwsr-xr-- 1 root messagebus 39880 Jun 15 11:46 /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper
19:23<Black_Prince>Ok, enough.
19:23<Black_Prince>That is not the problem, then. Anyways, did you always had that problem?
19:23<Black_Prince>I mean since installing debian, or it arised after you installed something?
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19:25<Black_Prince>chant-irc, apt-cache rdepends somepackage
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19:26<salman>Black_Prince, no, just recently, I have a bunch of programs installed together using synaptic
19:26<Black_Prince>Oh, that may have broken it.
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19:26<Black_Prince>I am out of ideas, sorry ...
19:27<salman>btw, when I open a new program, say the terminal, the titlebar appears for a very short time, and I can actually read the title, but it then disappears
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19:28<salman>it is ok.. you were very cooperative.. I really appreciate it
19:28<salman>Black_Prince ++
19:28<salman>Black_Prince, no karma system for #debian?
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19:30<AndyJ>Hi people, I'm trying to find /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/pluginappletviewer which is supposed to be in package openjdk-6-jre I've re-installed this package via Synaptic, but still don't have it... is it not available for debian AMD-64?
19:30<Black_Prince>salman, I'm sorry I don't know what is karma
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19:30<Black_Prince>judd file bin/pluginappletviewer
19:31<judd>bin/pluginappletviewer in squeeze/i386: openjdk-6-jre: usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/bin/pluginappletviewer, usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/pluginappletviewer; openjdk-6-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/pluginappletviewer
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19:33<tom>Need help, I get a notification there are 32 updates available, when i click on the update icon, it opens and then freezes, using 100% of one of six cores, am running Debian 6.0.1 with Gnome 2.30.2 on amd64 Phenom II X 6 processor, any suggestions on how to keep this from happening ?
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19:34<AndyJ>Nevermind, I've found it in the development kit... I wonder why it isn't included in the runtime environment?
19:34<AndyJ>Thanks people.
19:36<cthuluh>tom: don't run the update applet and do an aptitude safe-upgrade :]
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19:36<tom>tried that, didn't work
19:36<AndyJ>Rats! Thats an applet viewer, not a pluginapplet viewer, still can't find it!
19:36<cthuluh>how did it fail, then?
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19:37<tom>didn't get the updates and next time I rebooted it still notified me there were 32 updates waiting to be installed
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19:40<cthuluh>tom: just run aptitude update and then aptitude safe-upgrade
19:40<tom>i'll try that
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19:54<tom>need to reboot, back in a bit
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19:58<salman>what is the file to tell gnome what wm to use?
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20:05<tom>it WORKED !!! Thank You, very very much
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20:26<cthuluh>!beer tom
20:26*dpkg pours a litre of Spaten Pils for tom
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21:24<AgentC>how to play *.viv files on debian ? is there a plugin or any player ?
21:25<sney>what is it?
21:26<AgentC>sney: seems to be a kind of quiktime fileformat
21:26<AgentC>abrotman: yes
21:26<sney> gives no useful answers
21:27<abrotman>probably vlc or mplayer
21:28<AgentC>it's called vivo , i've a player but only for windows, and as it is, my winXP have a trojan onboard and in this case disfunctionally and offline
21:30<sney>it's probably proprietary, but maybe you could run the windows player in wine
21:30<AgentC>sney: i'll try
21:31<AgentC>sney: error on installing :-(
21:31<AgentC>sney: i was thinking about vbox but cant mount the archive hdd
21:33<AgentC>sney: now setup with wine seems to works.... triing
21:33<sney>ok, you don't have to keep me updated
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21:42<AgentC>sney: something worked, but now it is hanging in setup process
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21:48<hankintosh>Hey all, grub2 question. I went from Lenny to Squeeze, and I'm using LVM on top of RAID1 for my root. Kernel 2.6.32 won't boot but 2.6.26 still does. Think it's related to bug 609590, but slightly different. I believe the issue is grub2 needs to use UUID= in the kernel parameter, but it is still using /dev/mapper/vg-root.
21:48<hankintosh>I can explain what I found if anyone is curious, otherwise I probably should go to the mailing list.
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21:49<Patters>hey there
21:49<hankintosh>the question is about line 48 from '/etc/grub.d/10_linux'. It seems to prevent UUID from being used if the device is LVM.
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21:50<Patters>I'm having some really weird graphical glitches here, I don't really know how to describe them.
21:50<Patters>Fresh install of 6.0.1a/ppc
21:53<hankintosh>I ran grub-mkconfig again after installing to squeeze, and it still generates the kernel line with root=/dev/mapper/vg-root. If I comment out line 48, it generates the kernel line with root=UUID, as expected. I'm curious if anyone knows why this condition is in place.
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22:04<diederik>Hi, I'm using apt-cacher-ng to cache debian pkgs to be installed on one of my system in my LAN
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22:04<diederik>When a pkg is not in the cache, it will download it from an archive mirror.
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22:05<diederik>Is it possible to use debtorrent to download the pkgs if it's not in apt-cacher-ng's cache?
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22:09<notr00t>hi, not sure if this is exactly the right place to ask, but there's a lot of people in here that are knowledgeable. i'm looking for some help on an encrypted boot setup. i've figured out how to separate partition tables and encrypted partition headers from an encrypted drive so that the whole drive appears to have been wiped from end to end, but i'm having some trouble figuring out how to boot from a live cd and chainload the encrypte
22:09<notr00t>d OS after mounting the encrypted drive
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22:11<diederik>notr00t: if it's a debian live cd, you can probably better ask @ #debian-live
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22:14<notr00t>diederik: thanks
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22:34<Patters> that just me or does Epiphany only support Google, Jabber and FB chat?
22:34<Patters>not epiphany.
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22:37<eNkIL>how i get gagets for tempetures ram hdisks etc...
22:39<diederik>eNkIL: which DE do you use?
22:39<sney>conky is usually what people use for that afaik
22:39<diederik>I meant GNOME/KDE/etc
22:39<eNkIL>debian 6 squeezee im new in this :D
22:40<diederik>then I don't know (I use KDE)
22:40<eNkIL>aight bro ty
22:40<dpkg>Conky is a highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. Packaged in <contrib> as of squeeze. #conky on
22:41<diederik>conky is nice tool
22:41<eNkIL>how u used it?
22:42<sney>read the websites
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22:53<tinKidneys>hey folks. i'm on wheezy. after these last rounds of updates, all my desktop effects have stopped working. in AWN, it also says i dont have compositing enabled. was wondering if anyone could me out on what to re-enable?
22:53<tinKidneys>*err.. how to re-enable compositing
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22:54<sney>tinKidneys: #debian-next for wheezy/sid questions
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23:21<blank>i am very lonely
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23:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
23:37<ishant><dpkg>how to bypass password of wireless network in ubuntu
23:38<sney>you mean connect to a password protected network without the password? haha. yes, because you now have ubuntu or maybe backtrack, you are a magical haxor.
23:39<sney>!otherchannel ishant #ubuntu
23:39<dpkg>ishant: The channel you are looking for is #ubuntu on Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://
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23:43<ishant>but <sney> no option to connect here
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23:43<sney>then follow the other instructions. but if you can't figure out IRC, you can't crack wifi networks either. so sorry.
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23:46<abrotman>ishant: Ubuntu is not supported here, go to and ask #ubuntu
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23:53<blank>super fast connection now. must of gotten the private T-8
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