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| 00:28 | <Jonnyb> | hello |
| 00:29 | <Jonnyb> | i don't know how to download things in debian |
| 00:29 | <akerl> | I can haz downloads? |
| 00:31 | <Jonnyb> | for example i download something its in .deb |
| 00:31 | <Jonnyb> | what do i do then |
| 00:32 | <akerl> | Jonnyb: That depends. What do you want to do with it? |
| 00:32 | <diederik> | Jonnyb: you shouldn't download .deb files directly (normally), you use your preferred package manager (aptitude/apt-get/synaptics/etc) |
| 00:33 | <Jonnyb> | ok, does the package manager have a GUI |
| 00:33 | <Jonnyb> | because i can't find it anywhere |
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| 00:34 | <clocker> | I've got six packages related to and including mplayer that are being held back from a dist-upgrade. How do I fix that? |
| 00:34 | <diederik> | there are some frontend with a gui, yes. The ones I mentioned are frontends |
| 00:34 | <diederik> | my guess is that you probably want to use synaptics |
| 00:35 | <Jonnyb> | how can i use it? |
| 00:35 | <Jonnyb> | do i need to download something? |
| 00:35 | <Jonnyb> | well for example, I want to get flash, i don't know what type to get... says YUM, .tar.gz, .rpg |
| 00:36 | <diederik> | forget about downloading stuff from the internet and installing that. This is not windows. |
| 00:36 | <diederik> | open up a terminal and become root |
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| 00:37 | <diederik> | then do "aptitude update" (without quotes) and after that "aptitude install synaptic" |
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| 00:38 | <diederik> | if aptitude has installed synaptic, you should have an entry for it in your menu |
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| 00:52 | <Jonnyb> | sorry for the delay |
| 00:53 | <Jonnyb> | haha i like "this is not windows" |
| 00:57 | <Jonnyb> | ok when u say forget about downloading things from the internet |
| 00:57 | <Jonnyb> | if i want to download a program, i search for it in package manager? |
| 00:57 | <diederik> | correct |
| 00:58 | <diederik> | and when you want to install it, do that through the package manager |
| 00:58 | <Jonnyb> | alright cool |
| 00:58 | <diederik> | the package manager will then download the package from a debian archive and install it |
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| 01:00 | <george_> | how can I get it so when I move windows, it doesn't show a wireframe for the move? |
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| 01:01 | <george_> | everyone idle? |
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| 01:05 | <Jonnyb> | hi |
| 01:05 | <sney> | george_: it depends on your window manager. |
| 01:05 | <sney> | george_: but it's usually in the settings |
| 01:05 | <george_> | sney, i actually just got it, I turned off the reduced_resources in gconf-editor |
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| 01:06 | <george_> | sney, but I hate the minimize and maximize wirefram animation, anyway to turn that off without turning off the window moving? |
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| 01:06 | <sney> | if there is, it's in the options menu somewhere. |
| 01:07 | <sney> | if you wind up using compiz, that has different minimize/maximize/restore animations as well. |
| 01:08 | <thenewb> | hello, somebody pointed me to a website earlier where i noticed a strange thing with the html used, i was wondering about detail's on assembly language for beginners - but this website here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2535989/what-are-the-calling-conventions-for-unix-linux-system-calls-on-x86-64 has this bar at the top of the web content (using epiphany browser), that when i scroll down the page, replicate's itself, when i scroll back, so a page of |
| 01:09 | <thenewb> | is that like a error in the epiphany browser, or what is it? |
| 01:09 | <Jonnyb> | i cannot find the package for adobe flash... for youtube |
| 01:10 | <thenewb> | i can't explain it, i figured i'd let you know about it incase you could |
| 01:10 | <george_> | sney, i might install compiz but I have onboard graphics so not sure how well it'll play with it :/ |
| 01:11 | <Wyzard> | thenewb: I've seen that too -- it's an epiphany bug |
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| 01:11 | <Wyzard> | george_: should be fine unless it's an old GPU |
| 01:11 | <thenewb> | cool, at least i'm not imagining things and somebody understands me :) |
| 01:11 | <Wyzard> | Anything that can handle Windows Aero is more than enough for Compiz |
| 01:11 | <seeS> | ls |
| 01:12 | <Wyzard> | thenewb: Epiphany used to be a pretty good browser, but it became rather buggy when they switched it from being based on Gecko to being based on Webkit |
| 01:13 | <Wyzard> | It hasn't really gotten back to its former level of stability |
| 01:13 | <Wyzard> | though I haven't tried the GNOME 3 version |
| 01:14 | <george_> | Wyzard, not sure if it'll even run Aero, that's the thing, it's an Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Card, guess I'll just have to try |
| 01:16 | <Wyzard> | hmm, I think that's either in the i810 or i915 family |
| 01:16 | <Wyzard> | which can't do Aero, but my old laptop's i915 handled Metacity's compositor pretty well, and would probably have been OK with Compiz (which works similarly) |
| 01:16 | <notr00t> | if anyone is around, i'm looking for some help on a full-disk-encryption setup i'm designing to counter the current trend of give-up-your-encryption-key-or-else laws. i've figured out how to separate partition tables and encrypted partition headers from an encrypted drive so that the whole drive appears to have been wiped from end to end, but i'm having some trouble figuring out how to boot from a live cd and chainload the encrypted OS |
| 01:16 | <notr00t> | after mounting the encrypted partitions. i'm also asking in #debian-live but seems nobody's around |
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| 01:18 | <Wyzard> | notr00t: That'll involve writing some very custom startup scripts |
| 01:19 | <Wyzard> | but take a look at the pivot_root command |
| 01:19 | <notr00t> | that's where i've been looking |
| 01:19 | <Wyzard> | That's how you switch to a new root filesystem so you can unmount the old one; initrds use it after mounting the hard drive, and the script on your CD will need to do the same |
| 01:20 | <george_> | Wyzard, Debian doesn't use metacity as the window manager? What's it use? |
| 01:20 | <notr00t> | i can mount the encrypted drives easy enough, i'm just having trouble figuring out how to start the kernel in the encrypted drive and use all the decrypted stuff with it |
| 01:20 | <Wyzard> | george_: Metacity is the default GNOME window manager |
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| 01:21 | <george_> | Wyzard, ohh alright, well then yeah I'm using gnome, crappy minimize effect |
| 01:21 | <Wyzard> | notr00t: You'll be loading the kernel from the CD, not from the hard drive |
| 01:21 | <Wyzard> | george_: Metacity's compositor is kinda hidden, only way to turn it on is /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager in gconf, but it doesn't change the minimize animations |
| 01:21 | <Wyzard> | just gives you soft shadows on windows, and thumbnails in alt-tab |
| 01:22 | <Wyzard> | and of course, no redraw flicker when you move windows around |
| 01:22 | <notr00t> | my objective to first boot the live CD kernel and have a fully functioning live OS, then if i choose to i can decrypt the other system and pivot over to that |
| 01:23 | <george_> | Wyzard, do you remember the minimize effect? It feels less advanced than something from Windows 95 |
| 01:23 | <Wyzard> | notr00t: Keep in mind that you can't unmount the CD, even after pivoting off it, if any running processes have open files on it |
| 01:23 | <Wyzard> | so you'll ideally want to do it very early in the boot process, before any daemons have started |
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| 01:23 | <Wyzard> | Otherwise you'll have to take care of stopping them |
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| 01:24 | <notr00t> | that could be handled in the startup scripts for the OS contained within the encrypted partitions, yes? |
| 01:24 | <Wyzard> | The OS on the encrypted drive shouldn't be responsible for managing the daemons that were started by the liveCD environment |
| 01:24 | -!- | blank is now known as blanketed |
| 01:24 | <Wyzard> | but it'd be possible, if you wanted to do it that way |
| 01:25 | <blanketed> | i have a quick question |
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| 01:25 | <Wyzard> | george_: I've been using Metacity for years, so yes, I "remember" it :-) |
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| 01:25 | <blanketed> | does debian run all my hardware in a vm on win7b etter or in a vm on gentoo |
| 01:25 | <notr00t> | the aim is to have the live CD contain no evidence that it can be used to boot the encrypted OS |
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| 01:26 | <george_> | Wyzard, ohh, thought u switched to something else, that's why I said "remember" |
| 01:26 | <notr00t> | if i have to type in some commands in a terminal once the live OS is up and running to get at the encrypted OS that's ok |
| 01:26 | <blanketed> | i am worried that windows 8 will make everything completely undesirable. i rather switch to another host if you can give me a reason to before win8 comes around and tells me its boss |
| 01:26 | <Wyzard> | blanketed: It shouldn't matter what the host OS is if the virtualization software is the same (e.g. VMware) |
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| 01:27 | <blanketed> | a linux os in a guest vm on a windows host is just as safe as if it iwas the guest yes? if i am thinking in terms of only using the guest |
| 01:27 | <Wyzard> | blanketed: a) Windows 8 is nowhere near released yet; b) You can keep running 7 long after 8 is released |
| 01:27 | <george_> | Wyzard, seems like compositing_manager is turned off for metacity, but turning it on does nothing |
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| 01:27 | <george_> | Wyzard, never mind I see it now ;) |
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| 01:28 | <Wyzard> | blanketed: What virtualization software did you have in mind? |
| 01:28 | <blanketed> | Wyzard, the problem is as technology goes on, people are more easily coerced into believing things are possible . which i think they are. i think the FBI isn't joking when they state they have something specifically good at sniffing our computers that use win7 |
| 01:28 | <blanketed> | wyzard i use vbox |
| 01:28 | <notr00t> | blanketed, probably a good assumption given microsoft's size and connections with governments around the world |
| 01:28 | <Wyzard> | Debian running in vbox under Windows should be the same as Debian running in vbox under Gentoo |
| 01:29 | <Wyzard> | The whole point is that the VM is isolated from the host |
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| 01:29 | <blanketed> | so if my windows 7 was updated with CIA sniff sniff that pretends to be a regular update, then that actually reaches in and snatched by debian activities (after i entered passphrase to get into encrypteD) |
| 01:30 | <Wyzard> | but I don't see how FBI tools for Win7 forensics are a major deciding factor in what host OS you choose for your Debian VM |
| 01:30 | <blanketed> | i know i am slightly changing the question from stability to privacy/security |
| 01:30 | <Wyzard> | OK, so you have an encrypted VM and you're concerned about it being compromised if the host is compromised |
| 01:30 | <blanketed> | yes |
| 01:30 | <george_> | blanketed, yeah it's called, damn forgot the name, I have it on my comp somewhere |
| 01:30 | <blanketed> | with gentoo debian would be more secure |
| 01:31 | <blanketed> | on the basis i am paranoid enough to not make rookie mistakes on the host |
| 01:31 | <blanketed> | and they wouldn't force things down the pipe that would be so .. hateful |
| 01:31 | <Wyzard> | You could also skip the VM and just run Debian |
| 01:31 | <Wyzard> | or use Debian as the host and run another Debian within it |
| 01:32 | <Wyzard> | Your question is really "what OS can I trust not to be hacked by the government", which really has nothing to do with the VM guest at all |
| 01:32 | <blanketed> | i would. but it has to be a solid decision. no backing out |
| 01:32 | <notr00t> | here's a good thought: consider all microsoft software compromised |
| 01:32 | <blanketed> | well i know that decision in part will be my own. i will wipe my drives with department of defense, then russian gost, and the uk if have to |
| 01:33 | <notr00t> | if not by the government then by others |
| 01:33 | <george_> | does anyone know what window manager Ubuntu uses by default? |
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| 01:34 | <Wyzard> | george_: Compiz when you turn on full desktop effects, Metacity otherwise |
| 01:34 | <blanketed> | if you haven't noticed the "US president seems really dedicated to the cyber security. which looks more like an excuse to spy on people no matter where they go than trace back to a real attacker |
| 01:34 | <blanketed> | i will go reinstall. thanks for your assistance |
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| 01:35 | <notr00t> | blanketed, sure he's going to spy on everyone. because the professionals can't be caught and they need to catch some amateurs to make it look like they're doing something useful |
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| 01:36 | <blanketed> | yeah |
| 01:36 | <blanketed> | i can respect some things he has done. like give people in other countries a way to communicate outside for human rights issues |
| 01:36 | <george_> | Wyzard, ohh alright, cause I remember it had an option to select how extensive the effects are |
| 01:37 | <notr00t> | did you see the story about the "Internet in a suitcase" things the State Department is doing? |
| 01:37 | <notr00t> | simple but effing cool |
| 01:37 | <notr00t> | :) |
| 01:37 | <notr00t> | if he'd just stop bankrupting our great great great grandchildren things might be OK |
| 01:37 | <blanketed> | Internet Inception. yo man i followed a detour into a mini internet |
| 01:38 | <blanketed> | i think if we can just switch to fusion energy. the energy of the sun right there. that means we can fuel the robots that fuel the process to make more robots. |
| 01:39 | <blanketed> | no one would complain there isn't enough power. there is, and the robots building our wheat grains |
| 01:39 | <thenewb> | with all the trouble people have from compromised citizen's computer's (ip's don't resolve to hostname's), i wonder why the dns system isn't build more to the effect of requiring that any international cross-border communication's are resolvable to host-name's and not on a blacklist before allowing a connection to proceed, which would remove alot of the cross-border cybercrime's that happen, if hosts being compromised weren't being compromised by unregister |
| 01:39 | <thenewb> | the internet could be alot more modularized, and less centralized to reduce the amount of bullshit that happens on it |
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| 01:40 | <Wyzard> | Having working reverse DNS doesn't make an IP any more trustworthy |
| 01:41 | <notr00t> | there's a LOT of work to be done still on securing the net |
| 01:41 | <notr00t> | but it can be done |
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| 01:41 | <Wyzard> | Lots of residential ISPs have working reverse DNS for all their customers, including the botnet zombie ones |
| 01:41 | <thenewb> | yeah, but knowing which site's a foreign ip would be likely to connect to would reduce the amount of unresolved connection's, like if a place has a website, or is a gateway for a internet game (that has a web address), and accepts foreign connection's, then those connection's aren't directly connecting to any host besides the webserver, which is resolved |
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| 01:42 | <Wyzard> | You can't assume that a "foreign" IP should only connect to "foreign" hosts |
| 01:42 | <thenewb> | i don't know about how it all work's, but it seems that something like that, access permissions sort of, could decrease the amount of non-registered web-hosts from being compromised by direct attacks |
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| 01:43 | <Wyzard> | I think you're assuming that "non-registered" means something that it doesn't actually mean |
| 01:43 | <thenewb> | you know, if somebody has no reason to be connected to from the outside, and they themselves didn't establish a connection to do that, and didn't tell their gateway to the internet that they want to allow it explicitly, then why should anybody be trying to connect to them? |
| 01:43 | <thenewb> | probably |
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| 01:44 | <Wyzard> | If someone has a server that shouldn't be accessed from outside their network, they configure their firewall to not allow connections from outside the network |
| 01:44 | <Wyzard> | Existence of DNS records has nothing to do with it |
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| 01:50 | <thenewb> | so everybody on the isp's local subnet has a host.subnet.isp.tld address, but the isp itself could require that if somebody in that subnet wants to accept incoming connection's from the network outside of it, they have to ask the isp for that - then a little old granny who just wants to check her email doesn't have to worry about the million windows 95 exploits that her dinosaur pc has available to the external internet, because she didn't (maybe by voice) |
| 01:50 | <george_> | Wyzard, using firewall or a list to only allow certain ip address (internal ones)? |
| 01:52 | <notr00t> | then ISP's become censors |
| 01:53 | <notr00t> | you have the great firewall of America |
| 01:53 | <Wyzard> | Modern OSes can block incoming connections on their own -- you don't need the ISP to block incoming connections for you |
| 01:53 | <notr00t> | or worse, it turns the internet into a toll road |
| 01:53 | <thenewb> | but it's not really restrictive, it's like a default deny policy that costs nothing to enable, like it's enabled by default now - why would there ever be a pricetag on a fix that used to be the default? |
| 01:53 | <notr00t> | where you have a local ISP and you can only accept local connections unless you pay more |
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| 01:53 | <Wyzard> | If the ISP starts blocking incoming connections by default, that cuts off all sorts of valuable things, like Skype and bittorrent |
| 01:54 | <Wyzard> | It's a good and important thing that hosts can, in general, freely connect to each other |
| 01:54 | <Wyzard> | Throwing up broad barriers at the ISP level would be a bad thing |
| 01:55 | <notr00t> | yea the last thing we need is the cable companies charging people based on routing metrics |
| 01:55 | <notr00t> | thank God they never came up with that idea long ago or the net would look totally different today |
| 01:55 | <thenewb> | it does have its downside's, but maybe workarounds could be developed for thing's like that, if somebody's using bit-torrent they could make an exception or their program could request it to be made from the isp temporarily - in a perfect world people would respect one another more, this isn't a perfect world |
| 01:56 | <Wyzard> | or the ISP can just do its job of routing packets where they're supposed to go, instead of assuming the customer doesn't want them |
| 01:56 | <Wyzard> | The customer's computer can run its own firewall; modern desktop OSes do it by default |
| 01:56 | <notr00t> | ISP's should be dumb pipes and nothing more |
| 01:57 | <notr00t> | mass adoption of IPv6 should ease things a little bit because it's much more likely for people to have static IP's |
| 01:57 | <Wyzard> | It's one thing if you call the ISP and ask them to block some traffic for you |
| 01:57 | <Wyzard> | but the ISP should not just *assume* that you don't really want the traffic that's addressed to you |
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| 01:58 | <Jonny> | hello |
| 01:58 | <notr00t> | with most people having static IP's it'll be easier to isolate infected computers |
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| 02:06 | <george_> | you should be able to protect your own network and computers |
| 02:07 | <george_> | we already have routers nowadays blocking almost all traffic |
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| 02:07 | <george_> | what more is needed |
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| 02:08 | <mistermcfisher> | hi |
| 02:14 | <george_> | mistermcfisher, hi |
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| 02:27 | <Jonny> | i have a linux question |
| 02:28 | <notr00t> | debian is linux :) |
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| 02:28 | <Quite> | debian is windows! |
| 02:28 | <Quite> | jk |
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| 02:28 | <Jonny> | lol |
| 02:28 | <Jonny> | em |
| 02:29 | <Jonny> | why when i write a program i must type ./ before it to execute it |
| 02:29 | <notr00t> | the . indicates the current directory |
| 02:29 | <Quite> | it's usually not in the PATH |
| 02:30 | <notr00t> | and unless the current directory is in your $PATH variable, typing just the name of the program doesn't tell the system where to find your program |
| 02:30 | <Quite> | there you go |
| 02:30 | <Jonny> | oh |
| 02:30 | <Wyzard> | and putting the current directory in $PATH is discouraged because it's a security risk |
| 02:30 | <Jonny> | so even if the working directory has the program, u must still type ./ |
| 02:30 | <Quite> | indeed |
| 02:31 | <Quite> | not advisable |
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| 02:31 | <Quite> | yes |
| 02:31 | <Jonny> | i see |
| 02:31 | <notr00t> | yep |
| 02:31 | <Quite> | it's unlike windows in that regard |
| 02:31 | <Jonny> | right |
| 02:31 | <Wyzard> | because someone could put a program with a common name like "ls" in someplace like /tmp that you might have as your working directory, so you end up running a program you didn't intend to |
| 02:31 | <Jonny> | im a windows person for the most part, trying to get aquanted with linux |
| 02:31 | <Quite> | i get you ;) |
| 02:31 | <notr00t> | if you're in /home/username/directory, typing ./program is equivalent to typing /home/username/directory/program |
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| 02:32 | <Jonny> | i gotcha |
| 02:32 | <Jonny> | cool thanks |
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| 02:32 | <notr00t> | np |
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| 02:35 | <Jonny> | is it allowed to alter a linux distro, such as debian, make it ur "own OS" and then go and sell it? |
| 02:35 | <Quite> | don't you dare! |
| 02:35 | <Quite> | jk |
| 02:35 | <Quite> | i'm not sure |
| 02:35 | <Jonny> | lol, and ur the one who said debian is windows |
| 02:35 | <Quite> | hehe |
| 02:36 | <Quite> | yeah, i use winblows too |
| 02:36 | <Jonny> | hahaha |
| 02:36 | <Quite> | with the risk of getting flogged |
| 02:36 | <dspace> | Jonny: People base distros off other distros all the time. |
| 02:37 | <dspace> | Jonny: Linux Mint is almost entirely Ubuntu without the branding. You actually get your packages straight from the Ubuntu repos |
| 02:37 | <Jonny> | i c |
| 02:37 | <Jonny> | ah |
| 02:37 | <Quite> | and ubuntu is debian unstable |
| 02:37 | <Quite> | kind of |
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| 02:37 | <Jonny> | cool |
| 02:38 | <notr00t> | um |
| 02:38 | <dspace> | Right, but Ubuntu and Debian packages aren't necessarily compatible, whereas Mint literally gets its packages straight from Ubuntu |
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| 02:38 | <Quite> | very true |
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| 02:38 | <notr00t> | i think so as long as you comply with the GPL |
| 02:38 | <Quite> | yes |
| 02:38 | <dudz_> | debian kinda is windows, with its advertisements atleaste |
| 02:38 | <notr00t> | read the license though to make sure |
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| 02:38 | <Jonny> | if i wanted to learn how to write OS's, i suppose it would be good to learn how linux works first right? |
| 02:39 | <Quite> | indeed |
| 02:39 | <dspace> | Also, I was interested in Debian's trademark, and apparently several companies sell Debian branded gear and Debian doesn't get any revenues (and doesn't seem to care), although not every distro is that free with its trademark |
| 02:39 | <Quite> | apple's os x has unix in the bottom |
| 02:39 | <Quite> | it's a good foundation anyway |
| 02:39 | <dudz_> | moneys for losers anyway |
| 02:39 | <dspace> | http://www.debian.org/misc/merchandise |
| 02:40 | <Quite> | hm dudz.... |
| 02:40 | <Quite> | i feel that ubuntu is more commercial |
| 02:40 | <dudz_> | i'm waiting till zietgiest |
| 02:40 | <Jonny> | so if i wrote my own program i wanted to use commonly, what do i do to put it in the PATH... so i can run it without ./ |
| 02:41 | <Quite> | just put it in some directory that's included in the PATH environment variable |
| 02:41 | <Jonny> | but im a noob and i dont' know how to do that |
| 02:41 | <dspace> | You could put it in /usr/bin :) |
| 02:41 | <george_> | Jonny, put it in the /bin/ |
| 02:41 | <george_> | or that |
| 02:41 | <george_> | lol |
| 02:42 | <dspace> | Or even /usr/local/bin ! |
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| 02:42 | <Quite> | yes |
| 02:42 | <george_> | dspace, any difference between them? |
| 02:42 | <Jonny> | so any bin folder |
| 02:42 | <Quite> | /usr/local/bin is more appropriate |
| 02:42 | <Quite> | for homebrew stuff |
| 02:42 | <dspace> | george_: just convention, I suppose |
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| 02:43 | <Quite> | debian has /home/<user>/bin included by default |
| 02:43 | <Quite> | in the path |
| 02:43 | <dspace> | george_: /bin is more for core system stuff, like /bin/bash. /usr/bin is for other packages, like firefox. and /usr/local/bin is for stuff the user installs that's not from the repos |
| 02:43 | <Quite> | so you can make a 'bin' directory in your home |
| 02:43 | <Quite> | and put it there |
| 02:43 | <george_> | dspace, and it seems even in your own directory you can make one lol |
| 02:44 | <Jonny> | what are some reasons people choose debian over other linux distros |
| 02:44 | <Quite> | stability, i guess |
| 02:44 | <george_> | Jonny, stability, one of the oldest distros, most packages of any other distro, and for the old, old packages and slow updates (jk about last two, kinda) :P |
| 02:44 | <Quite> | it works great on this somewhat exotic laptop for one |
| 02:45 | <dudz_> | debians user friendly |
| 02:45 | <george_> | well ubuntu's more user friendly |
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| 02:45 | <Quite> | i'm not in a hurry, usually |
| 02:45 | <Quite> | <- old skool |
| 02:45 | <george_> | but debian boots up fast, much faster than ubuntu |
| 02:45 | <Quite> | i have been running freebsd, but it's not keeping up very well nowadays |
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| 02:46 | <Quite> | sorry for the off-topic |
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| 02:46 | <dudz_> | pcbsd Quite |
| 02:46 | <Quite> | oh? |
| 02:46 | <Quite> | haven't heard of it |
| 02:46 | <dudz_> | thats rather good, comes with kde |
| 02:46 | <Quite> | neat |
| 02:46 | <Quite> | will check it out perhaps |
| 02:46 | <Quite> | thanks for the pointer |
| 02:47 | <george_> | there's too many distros nowadays, some need to die out |
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| 02:47 | <dudz_> | the new ones :) |
| 02:47 | <Quite> | i haven't been using debian until just recently, but it's just marvellous |
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| 02:47 | <Quite> | especially the package system |
| 02:47 | <dudz_> | i use debian for servers, though recently i installed debian with kde as my desktop |
| 02:48 | <Quite> | alright |
| 02:48 | <dspace> | Most distros are just simple remixes of the core distros, like Debian, Fedora, Slackware, and Arch |
| 02:48 | <george_> | dudz_, lol, we only really need debian, fedora, centos, ubuntu (and the variants), and openSuse |
| 02:48 | <Quite> | i use the default gnome at the moment, no major issues |
| 02:48 | <george_> | and Arch |
| 02:48 | <george_> | yeah |
| 02:48 | <george_> | death to Linux Mint |
| 02:48 | <dudz_> | defora/centos un-needed |
| 02:48 | <Quite> | true, dspace |
| 02:48 | <dspace> | They take the same packages but configure different defaults and a different theme and call it a distro |
| 02:48 | <dudz_> | *fedora/centos are not needed even |
| 02:48 | <Quite> | yes |
| 02:48 | <dspace> | Debian actually creates its own packages. It's one of the "core" or "root" distros, for lack of a better term |
| 02:48 | <Quite> | yes |
| 02:49 | <bartm> | "real" distro :) |
| 02:49 | <george_> | dudz_, yeah I guess, but we need one distro still using yum lol plus centOS is used on like 30% of linux servers nowadays |
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| 02:50 | <Quite> | i have my fears that gnome 3 will be an uber-bloated beast |
| 02:50 | <Quite> | gnome 2 is pretty decent |
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| 02:51 | <dspace> | People say, oh there are so many distros, I'm so confused. There really aren't that many options. Realistically you either use a DEB or RPM based package manager and Gnome, KDE or Xfce. Some combination of those covers 95% of distros |
| 02:51 | <george_> | Quite, as long as it works with slightly older hardware (which I have a feeling it won't) |
| 02:51 | <Quite> | yes :| |
| 02:51 | <dspace> | Everything else is superficial, like default apps and themes |
| 02:51 | <Quite> | it seems to be pretty demanding |
| 02:51 | <george_> | dspace, well you can get any DE on any distro almost |
| 02:51 | <Quite> | although my hardware is up-to-date |
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| 02:52 | <george_> | the only thing I wish was better on debian is the updating |
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| 02:52 | <george_> | it should be more up to date |
| 02:52 | <george_> | in terms of software |
| 02:52 | <george_> | without having to enable unstable repos |
| 02:52 | <Quite> | i just installed the 2.6.38 kernel from the backports... works swell |
| 02:52 | <Quite> | but yes, i agree with you there |
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| 02:53 | <dudz_> | i disagree, thats why ubuntu exists, its a pain to have to upgrade |
| 02:53 | <Quite> | regarding more up to date, that's probably what makes debian so stable |
| 02:53 | <george_> | I mean openoffice, cmon, where's my libreoffice, not even available in repos, while ubuntu comes with it default |
| 02:53 | <Quite> | the fact that it doesn't get that many updates that often |
| 02:54 | <Quite> | "iceweasel".... |
| 02:54 | <dudz_> | openoffice is just java |
| 02:54 | <dudz_> | you don't put java on a machine you want stable |
| 02:54 | <george_> | I've never really experienced instability, what would it be, program locking up or crashing, I had file-roller crash yesterday on debian, so is it unstable? |
| 02:54 | <george_> | dudz_, well it's default in debian |
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| 02:55 | <dudz_> | wasn't for me, i had to manually install it |
| 02:55 | <Quite> | hm |
| 02:55 | <Quite> | ubuntu's unity isn't very mature yet |
| 02:55 | <Quite> | sometimes the mouse is not responding |
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| 02:55 | <Quite> | but that's a sidetrack |
| 02:56 | <Quite> | i actually prefer the cleaner metacity stuff in debian's default gnome, with the added bonus that it actually works all the time |
| 02:56 | <george_> | dudz_, what version are you using? |
| 02:56 | <dudz_> | 6.0.1a-amd64 with whatever kde version is current to stable |
| 02:56 | <valdyn> | judd: versions libreoffice |
| 02:56 | <judd> | Package libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.3.2-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:3.3.2-2; sid: 1:3.3.3-1 |
| 02:56 | <george_> | dudz_, maybe cause you installed kde, i have gnome |
| 02:57 | <dspace> | george_: Right, you can change to any DE and change the apps and themes quite easily, so the differences between distros really boils down to two things: 1) the number and quality of the packages available in the repos, 2) the community and support |
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| 02:57 | <george_> | valdyn, what's that mean? |
| 02:57 | <valdyn> | george_: it means that libreoffice is available for squeeze |
| 02:57 | <george_> | dspace, and that's the very fact why there should be less repos, less confusion |
| 02:58 | <valdyn> | george_: you totally dont get debian repos |
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| 02:58 | <valdyn> | george_: but you already have an opinion about them |
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| 02:58 | <Quite> | opinions rule |
| 02:58 | <george_> | valdyn, nothing in repos |
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| 02:59 | <george_> | valdyn, i meant less distros, my mistake |
| 02:59 | <dspace> | For beginning users, Ubuntu's PPA system makes adding additional signed repos pretty user friendly. That's a good thing about that distro. If you want some package not available in the normal repo, or a newer version, chancer are among the 8000 active PPAs that someone has it, and it's really easy to add a PPA |
| 02:59 | <Quite> | there are far too many weird distros nowadays |
| 02:59 | <george_> | lol less repos does that even make sense, i meant distros lol |
| 02:59 | <Quite> | i'm sticking with what i know |
| 02:59 | <Quite> | i'm old school |
| 02:59 | <dspace> | Of course, the trade off is Unity |
| 03:00 | <george_> | dspace, you can use gnome if you want |
| 03:00 | <dspace> | You still lose icons in the notification area because Ubuntu is hellbent on transforming it to app indicators |
| 03:00 | <george_> | what I like about Ubuntu is on my debian computer a usb wireless adapter didn't work, but on an ubuntu computer, it worked |
| 03:00 | <dspace> | Probably a more recent kernel version |
| 03:00 | <george_> | dspace, probably |
| 03:01 | <Quite> | is it just me, or is the mouse buttons not working at times in unity? |
| 03:01 | <Quite> | are, even |
| 03:01 | <Quite> | maybe it's my hardware |
| 03:01 | <george_> | dspace, but does every distro have a modified kernel or they all use default kernel? |
| 03:01 | <Quite> | anyway, i went back to debian |
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| 03:01 | <george_> | valdyn, sudo apt-cache search libreoffice nor sudo apt-cache search libre-office finds anything |
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| 03:02 | <valdyn> | george_: you need to add the backports repository |
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| 03:02 | <valdyn> | !squeeze-backports |
| 03:02 | <dpkg> | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
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| 03:02 | <dspace> | Quite: I don't know. I tried Unity for a few days and gave up. Can't stand it. |
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| 03:03 | <Quite> | well, the button isse was what made me give up |
| 03:03 | <Quite> | otherwise it was pretty ok |
| 03:03 | <george_> | what exactly are the backports repo? |
| 03:03 | <Quite> | s/isse/issue/ |
| 03:03 | <dspace> | Backports repo has kernel 2.6.38, which will support more modern hardware |
| 03:03 | <dspace> | Current stable has 2.6.32, released in December 2009 |
| 03:03 | <george_> | dspace, is it like unstable versions or something |
| 03:03 | <valdyn> | george_: debian stable release *cannot* change over time, that is why theres backports for people who want newer software |
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| 03:04 | <george_> | damn, way behind |
| 03:04 | <dspace> | Technically, backports should be more stable than unstable |
| 03:04 | <Quite> | backports are newer versions made to fit in the current stable without messing too much with the rest |
| 03:04 | <george_> | valdyn, isn't it like debian sid? |
| 03:04 | <Quite> | as far as i understand it |
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| 03:04 | <dspace> | My Toshiba laptop has a wireless card that's unsupported (out of the box at least) by kernel 2.6.32 (in Debian stable) but it is supported in 2.6.35 or later. |
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| 03:05 | <dspace> | So in situations like that, you'd want to try a newer kernel |
| 03:05 | <Quite> | that's what i did |
| 03:05 | <Quite> | and it works great |
| 03:05 | <george_> | dspace, alright and do all distros use default kernel or they customize it? |
| 03:05 | <Quite> | i got 2.6.38 from the backports |
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| 03:06 | <dspace> | george_: Heh, complicated question. A distro like Arch will give you a more vanilla, unmodified kernel. Debian has been known for (and um, criticized for) it's larger "value-added" modifications. :) |
| 03:06 | <george_> | from what I see ubuntu and debian are same thing except for ubuntu comes looking nicer and now with unity and different apps installed and more up to date |
| 03:07 | <dspace> | george_: That may make it more secure, or more stable, but also more customized, and potentially introducing problems, like the ssh key problem in 2007. |
| 03:07 | <Quite> | it's also using a "testing"-like setup... more current software, but also not as stable as deiban stable |
| 03:07 | <Quite> | debian even |
| 03:07 | <george_> | dspace, alright, interesting, so a device maybe still not work with one distro and work with another if certain drivers were added to one kernel and not the other |
| 03:08 | <george_> | this stable word is thrown around a lot, basically it comes down to programs crashing right? |
| 03:08 | <valdyn> | george_: no |
| 03:08 | <Quite> | ubuntu is probably the most user-friendly distro, but debian seems to be the most stable |
| 03:08 | <Quite> | at least among the ones i've tried lately |
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| 03:09 | <Quite> | that's why i'm sticking with it |
| 03:09 | <dspace> | george_: Well, the kernel is what interfaces with your hardware. So, *generally* its ability to interact with modern hardware depends on the version, irrespective of the distro. But there are exceptions. I know especially for Ubuntu 10.04, since it was a Long Term Support release, they added a bunch of hardware support from 2.6.33 |
| 03:09 | <dspace> | so yeah, distro can change hardware support, but *generally* it's more a function of the kernel version than the distro |
| 03:09 | <Quite> | my kernel update made it recognize the sound chip in this laptop so... |
| 03:10 | <Quite> | there's one example |
| 03:10 | <george_> | ohh alright |
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| 03:10 | <george_> | I mean I've used Linux on and off for past 2 years, now using it for over 2 months, hoping never to go back to Windows |
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| 03:11 | <Quite> | i use windows in parallel |
| 03:11 | <george_> | but there's still a lot I don't know |
| 03:11 | <Quite> | i have no problems with that |
| 03:11 | <Quite> | i need windows for some software that isn't available for unix |
| 03:11 | <george_> | now if only I could get debian to print :/ |
| 03:12 | <Quite> | i haven't tried my printer with debian yet.... it's connected to the windows box |
| 03:12 | <Quite> | i use linux mostly for programming |
| 03:12 | <dspace> | george_: So you asked whether distros customize it, and then about whether that affects hardware support. I think the bulk of customization is for compatibility and stability with their packages / product, and security, rather than adding additional drivers. Also, long term support is mostly security updates. So to get wider hardware support, the best option is a newer kernel version, no matter the distro |
| 03:13 | <dspace> | george_: Hope that answers your question better |
| 03:13 | <george_> | dspace, yes, it does, thanks :) |
| 03:14 | <notr00t> | Quite, think you could program a linux RAMlocker tool? |
| 03:14 | <Quite> | yes, in a wink |
| 03:14 | <Digital_Nerd> | what is the difference between cups and lpr printer drivers |
| 03:14 | <Quite> | kidding |
| 03:14 | <george_> | now this backport option seems amazing, am I understanding it correctly that it can install single unstable packages without updating the others? |
| 03:14 | <dspace> | Of course, the latest kernel versions have a nasty power consumption bug, so be wary of running 2.6.38 or 2.6.39 on a laptop battery :) |
| 03:14 | <Quite> | i'm mostly using perl nowadays |
| 03:14 | <notr00t> | something that freezes the system and encrypts the RAM, but leaves a decryption tool resident in RAM so taht you can type in a passphrase and unlock the system? |
| 03:14 | <Quite> | C only if i have to |
| 03:14 | <Quite> | better ask someone else ;) |
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| 03:15 | <Quite> | dspace, you can't have it all, can you |
| 03:15 | <Quite> | i run on AC power all the time, though |
| 03:15 | <dspace> | Me too. But I'm also using 2.6.35 |
| 03:16 | <Quite> | oh ok |
| 03:16 | <notr00t> | haha Quite I was just checking out this forensic thing that lets people seize a computer that's plugged in without it ever losing power |
| 03:16 | <notr00t> | effing cool |
| 03:16 | <dspace> | Just a heads up. Kernels 2.6.38-9 can reduce laptop battery life by 20-30% |
| 03:16 | <Quite> | hehe |
| 03:16 | <notr00t> | speaking of AC power |
| 03:16 | <Quite> | ah yes |
| 03:17 | <Quite> | it's not in the backports yet i guess |
| 03:17 | <notr00t> | one of those "why didn't I think of that" ideas that's gonna make the guy a fortune |
| 03:17 | <Quite> | if it ever will |
| 03:17 | <thenewb> | good job on adding the fan control's to the newer debian's, no longer are the nvidia driver's needed - those fan control program's are difficult to figure out to the non-electrical engineer |
| 03:17 | <george_> | so I was right about backports only installing one unstable program without updating all my programs to unstable? |
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| 03:18 | <dspace> | george_: For updating single packages, you can go beyond the backports repo. You can add testing or unstable, then pin all packages to stable except the ones you want. Look into pinning :) |
| 03:18 | <Quite> | uname -a says 2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 here |
| 03:18 | <Quite> | does that mean it's 2.6.38-2? |
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| 03:19 | <george_> | dspace, lol pin every single package except one or two, seems like a lot of work lol and what's difference then between backports testing and unstable? |
| 03:19 | <dspace> | george_: I did that on my desktop. just pin stable to 990, unstable to -10, so it never downloads from unstable except manually, then install -t unstable <package> |
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| 03:20 | <dingdong> | hola hola |
| 03:20 | <george_> | dspace, hmm, i'll look into it :) |
| 03:20 | <george_> | so debian doesn't come with gnotify as default right? |
| 03:20 | <dingdong> | both panels screwed up |
| 03:21 | <dingdong> | was trying to align right side,, now its not there anymore.. |
| 03:21 | <dingdong> | how can i reset ? |
| 03:21 | <dspace> | george_: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences#Pinning |
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| 03:22 | <george_> | dingdong, logout and back in |
| 03:22 | <dspace> | george_: so the difference between backports and what I do is, 1) only manually selected packages will be installed outside of stable, 2) they'll be more bleeding edge |
| 03:22 | <dingdong> | did that but panels are missing |
| 03:23 | <george_> | try launching gpanel |
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| 03:23 | <dingdong> | is there anyway at least i can lauch a terminal by shortcut |
| 03:24 | <george_> | dingdong, yeah do this ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 03:24 | <george_> | you'll get into tty1 and you can login |
| 03:24 | <george_> | or |
| 03:24 | <george_> | actually |
| 03:24 | <george_> | do |
| 03:24 | <dingdong> | no no |
| 03:24 | <george_> | alt+f2 |
| 03:24 | <george_> | youll get run command |
| 03:24 | <dingdong> | there is no panel, so i was thinking to open a terminal and launch application |
| 03:25 | <george_> | then do gnome-terminal |
| 03:25 | <dingdong> | even if i want to the gpanel i need to type somewhere right? |
| 03:25 | <george_> | dingdong, like i said do alt+f2 you'll get run command then type in gnome-terminal |
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| 03:26 | <dingdong> | so how can i reset the panels |
| 03:26 | <george_> | pkill gpanel |
| 03:27 | <george_> | then alt+f2 gpanel |
| 03:27 | <george_> | if gpanel launches the panel, not sure of the actual command |
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| 03:27 | <george_> | resetting idk |
| 03:28 | <dspace> | ctrl+alt+T launches a terminal |
| 03:28 | <dspace> | but he's gone |
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| 03:29 | <george_> | dspace, well i gave him all the advice i could |
| 03:30 | <george_> | lol |
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| 03:30 | <george_> | dspace, ctrl+alt+T doesn't open terminal in gnome |
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| 03:31 | <Quite> | right, it makes the computer explode |
| 03:31 | <Quite> | what an evil advice! |
| 03:31 | <dspace> | Works in my gnome |
| 03:31 | <george_> | lol |
| 03:31 | <george_> | sudo rm -rf / |
| 03:31 | <dspace> | Damn distro mods :) |
| 03:31 | <Quite> | hm |
| 03:31 | <Quite> | no worky here either |
| 03:31 | <Quite> | hehe |
| 03:32 | <george_> | so debian doesn't come with gnotify, no one responded :/ |
| 03:32 | <dspace> | Obviously you all got a defective Gnome |
| 03:32 | <george_> | or gnotifier |
| 03:32 | <george_> | dspace, u using kde? |
| 03:32 | <Quite> | it's the vanilla one from debian stable |
| 03:32 | <dspace> | No, gnome |
| 03:32 | <george_> | dspace, then u set it up as keybinding and forgot |
| 03:32 | <Quite> | probably so |
| 03:33 | <george_> | Quite, what's the vanilla one, your kernel? |
| 03:33 | <Quite> | gnome |
| 03:33 | <Quite> | i haven't modded it |
| 03:33 | <george_> | ohh |
| 03:33 | <Quite> | not the keys at least |
| 03:33 | <Quite> | the kernel is from the backports |
| 03:33 | <dspace> | Not me, Clem Lefebvre |
| 03:33 | <george_> | so anyone wanna help me get my printer working so I can actually print things, kind of need it for school and other things |
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| 03:34 | <george_> | I think it's unsupported by linux |
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| 03:34 | <dspace> | If your printer is unsupported by Linux, what do you want us to do, write the driver? :) |
| 03:35 | <Quite> | i can do that! |
| 03:35 | <Quite> | :p |
| 03:35 | <Quite> | in perl |
| 03:35 | <Quite> | jk |
| 03:35 | <george_> | dspace, if you could :P |
| 03:35 | <george_> | dspace, i mean cups finds the driver, but it still doesn't print |
| 03:35 | <Quite> | i thought it would be as smooth as plugging USB audio devices in |
| 03:36 | <dspace> | What's the exact make and model of your printer? |
| 03:36 | <Quite> | i haven't tried printing from debian yet, once again |
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| 03:37 | <george_> | dspace, lexmark x7675 |
| 03:37 | <Quite> | printing is one area where i have had pretty mixed results in unix |
| 03:37 | <Quite> | in windows everything just works |
| 03:37 | <george_> | dspace, I'm trying to get it to print wirelessly |
| 03:37 | <Quite> | i'm not proclaiming windows at all by saying that |
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| 03:39 | <dingdong> | now when i try to log on everything gets frozen |
| 03:39 | <valdyn> | george_: read lexmark documentation? they officially support using linux |
| 03:40 | <dingdong> | what i did was both panels align to right side... thats what causing no more panels |
| 03:40 | <george_> | valdyn, they may have the driver, but it only prints through usb maybe, didn't try it with usb |
| 03:40 | <valdyn> | george_: yea, true |
| 03:41 | <valdyn> | george_: dont you have one wired computer that can be used as printer server? |
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| 03:42 | <valdyn> | george_: or actually, it doesnt have to be wired as long as it runs windows |
| 03:42 | <dingdong> | created another user thats the best i guess .. |
| 03:42 | <dspace> | george_: Lexmark. I found your problem |
| 03:42 | <dspace> | I live in Lexington, KY. Lexmark is the largest private employer here. Wish I could support the local economy, but they refuse to cooperate. |
| 03:43 | <george_> | dspace, lol |
| 03:44 | <Digital_Nerd> | george_: maybe purchasing a brother instead! |
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| 03:44 | <george_> | valdyn, the other computer I have runs linux again lol |
| 03:44 | <Digital_Nerd> | I just setup my wireless, and it works be-a-u-tiful |
| 03:45 | <george_> | Digital_Nerd, wifi connection or printer wifi/. |
| 03:45 | <george_> | ? |
| 03:45 | <Digital_Nerd> | printer |
| 03:46 | <george_> | Digital_Nerd, thanks for rubbing it in :( |
| 03:47 | <Digital_Nerd> | I'm just saying, that brother seems to have a lot of support for linux |
| 03:47 | <Digital_Nerd> | I have an HP that may or may not work |
| 03:47 | <Digital_Nerd> | I haven't tried |
| 03:47 | <Digital_Nerd> | what kind of lex do you have |
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| 03:49 | <george_> | so what is this in red, is it gnome-notify?: http://img59.imageshack.us/i/screenshotjeh.png/ |
| 03:49 | <george_> | Digital_Nerd, lexmark x7675 |
| 03:50 | <george_> | Digital_Nerd, cups adds the 7000 series driver, automatically detects my printer and finds that driver and apparantly installs |
| 03:50 | <dspace> | Whoa, you have flash running |
| 03:50 | <george_> | but then printing doesn't work |
| 03:50 | <george_> | dspace, lol what's so amazing about that? |
| 03:50 | <george_> | dspace, what is that notifier at the top? |
| 03:51 | <Digital_Nerd> | george_: mine uses port 9100 |
| 03:51 | <dspace> | george_: That's NotifyOSD, another thing invented by Ubuntu |
| 03:51 | <Digital_Nerd> | otherwise the url is the same, well the ip is different |
| 03:51 | <george_> | Digital_Nerd, so does this |
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| 03:52 | <george_> | dspace, alright so it exists on Ubuntu as default, lol I asked hundred times and no one responded |
| 03:52 | <Digital_Nerd> | that png you sent doesnt' show it |
| 03:52 | <Digital_Nerd> | of the printer settings |
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| 03:53 | <george_> | dspace, weird though that if I try to launch notifyosd in terminal, doesn't work |
| 03:53 | <george_> | Digital_Nerd, one sec |
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| 03:53 | <dspace> | george_: The device URI is socket://<ip address> Is it directly connected to your computer? |
| 03:53 | <george_> | dspace, no it's wireless |
| 03:54 | <dspace> | Have you tried to directly connect it? :) |
| 03:54 | <george_> | dspace, let me try |
| 03:54 | <dspace> | When encountering a problem, reduce the complexity as much as possible first :) |
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| 03:55 | <george_> | dspace, hmm says no driver for lexmark 7600 series lol |
| 03:55 | <Digital_Nerd> | that could be it |
| 03:55 | <george_> | why is NotifyOSD giving me this info lol |
| 03:56 | <Digital_Nerd> | nice work dspace, always check if it's pluged in first |
| 03:56 | <Digital_Nerd> | notifyOSD looks like its created a printer item but nothing else |
| 03:56 | <dspace> | That's what it does. It takes system messages and annoys you with them in the corner of the screen |
| 03:56 | <dspace> | That's a feature |
| 03:57 | <Digital_Nerd> | there prob is no driver associated with it |
| 03:57 | <george_> | dspace, if I wanted to kill notifyosd how would I do it, or is it built in? |
| 03:58 | <dspace> | george_: If your printer is directly connected to your computer, now try to install it manually, ie, select the driver from the list manually |
| 03:58 | <notr00t> | sudo kill 1 ( <--don't actually do) |
| 03:58 | <notr00t> | lol |
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| 03:58 | <george_> | kill 1? |
| 03:58 | <notr00t> | hahha NO |
| 03:58 | <notr00t> | NO |
| 03:58 | <notr00t> | NO |
| 03:58 | <george_> | what would that do? |
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| 03:58 | <dspace> | you could probably kill /usr/lib/notify-osd/notify-osd |
| 03:58 | <notr00t> | it kills init, the parent of all other processes |
| 03:59 | <notr00t> | in other words, it would make your system die |
| 03:59 | <dspace> | whatever that process is. ps aux | grep notify |
| 04:00 | <dspace> | The package is notify-osd. Maybe you can uninstall that. |
| 04:00 | <dspace> | I don't know. It might uninstall everything. Depends on how you installed Debian. :) I hate gnome-desktop-environment. I just install gnome-core and everything else manually on top of it |
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| 04:01 | <george_> | notr00t, ahh, i'd just reboot, big deal :P |
| 04:01 | <notr00t> | lol i don't know what damage it would do though |
| 04:02 | <dspace> | Hmm, well in Linux Mint, notify-osd rdepends ubuntu-desktop, so I'm guessing it reverse depends gnome-desktop-environment in Debian as well. |
| 04:02 | <george_> | dspace, hmm, what does gnome-core include, just the libraries for programs? |
| 04:02 | <dspace> | run: apt-cache rdepends notify-osd |
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| 04:02 | <george_> | ahh it's ok |
| 04:02 | <dspace> | Just basic stuff to get you to a command prompt |
| 04:03 | <dspace> | no gui. |
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| 04:03 | <notr00t> | heh hey dspace, looks like someone's done pretty close to that RAMlock idea i had |
| 04:04 | <notr00t> | from tresor "Upon wakeup you get a password prompt similar to the one shown above. But this time you can enter the correct password only, i.e., the password you have entered during boot. To check whether the password you entered is correct, the hash of the key is stored internally in RAM. Upon wakeup, you are only allowed to enter the correct password for two reasons: First of all, a wrong key immediately leads to data corruption if dis |
| 04:04 | <notr00t> | k encryption is active. Secondly, your computer is safe against unauthorized access" |
| 04:04 | <Quite> | i used to hate those cloated desktop environments in the past, but that was mostly because of mediocre hardware |
| 04:05 | <Quite> | cloated = bloated |
| 04:05 | <notr00t> | the fancy desktop environments are cool if you have the hardware to run them |
| 04:05 | <Quite> | i think gnome2 is pretty useful |
| 04:05 | <Quite> | yes |
| 04:05 | <Quite> | and i finally do |
| 04:06 | <Quite> | i'm a console guy at heart, but gnome2 is pretty ok |
| 04:06 | <george_> | dspace, that comes default lol without even installing gnome-core |
| 04:06 | <dspace> | notr00t: Where are you reading this? |
| 04:07 | <george_> | Quite, you need a GUI unless all you do is program, I mean you need it for pictures, movies, webcam, and many more things |
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| 04:08 | <notr00t> | http://www1.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/tresor/ |
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| 04:08 | <george_> | dspace, well I installed driver, everything went fine and pos still didn't work |
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| 04:09 | <Quite> | don't feel like messing around too much nowadays |
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| 04:10 | <Quite> | george, couldn't agree more |
| 04:10 | <Quite> | i installed debian some times with console only here lately, but after some time i missed the possibility to watch pictures and other graphics related stuff |
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| 04:10 | <shanet> | Hey guys, I recently installed tuxguitar and have sound working perfectly on it. I have operating system sounds as well but the problem is I can not play mp3 files or wav files, and audacity produces no sound. |
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| 04:11 | <george_> | Quite, the only thing console only is good for is programming and server |
| 04:12 | <Quite> | i would say so |
| 04:12 | <george_> | Quite, and maybe sound server |
| 04:12 | <Quite> | gopher.... |
| 04:12 | <george_> | for playing music |
| 04:12 | <Quite> | and lynx.... but that's not cutting the mustard nowadays |
| 04:12 | <Quite> | yes |
| 04:12 | <Quite> | that too |
| 04:12 | <Quite> | that was the initial reason to go that barebones |
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| 04:12 | <notr00t> | george_, you have obviously not gotten good with the console if you think that's all its good for |
| 04:12 | <Quite> | for using the box as an audio player on steroids |
| 04:13 | <Quite> | because i already have a windows box for the gui bloat |
| 04:13 | <Quite> | finally i decided to install the gui as well with debian... it's good to have it |
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| 04:13 | <george_> | notr00t, what do you mean, I know it's good for administration as well, but what else is there? |
| 04:14 | <george_> | well this printer installation, doesn't work and gives me no way of uninstalling the drivers, POS |
| 04:14 | <Quite> | notr00t it's good for plenty of stuff of course |
| 04:14 | <Quite> | anything that doesn't have to do with graphics |
| 04:15 | <Quite> | unfortunately the web is rather heavily graphics based nowadays |
| 04:15 | <notr00t> | if you want to extract certain data from something |
| 04:15 | <Quite> | it wasn't back in the mid 90s |
| 04:15 | <george_> | after job gets added, it automatically stops for some reason |
| 04:15 | <notr00t> | and most security work is all console |
| 04:15 | <george_> | Quite, i'd say fortunately :P |
| 04:15 | <Quite> | hehe |
| 04:16 | <Quite> | depends on how you look at it ;) |
| 04:16 | <george_> | I want my pictures and media :P |
| 04:16 | <Quite> | i get you fully |
| 04:16 | <dspace> | notr00t: doesn't AES-NI require a specific chip? |
| 04:16 | <george_> | lol no GUI, no porn |
| 04:16 | <shanet> | Can anyone help me with my sound problem please? |
| 04:16 | <Quite> | no porn? :( |
| 04:16 | <george_> | jk ... maybe |
| 04:16 | <Quite> | jk |
| 04:16 | <george_> | lol |
| 04:16 | <Quite> | oh i'm fed up with porn |
| 04:16 | <Quite> | better get the real thing |
| 04:17 | <Quite> | if anything |
| 04:17 | <george_> | I've seen all there is to see |
| 04:17 | <notr00t> | dspace, i'm reading right now, this is new info for me |
| 04:17 | <Quite> | ditto |
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| 04:17 | <notr00t> | apparently though, AESSE can run on any intel processor from the last 10 years |
| 04:17 | <notr00t> | but i think only at 128 bits |
| 04:17 | <notr00t> | not 256 |
| 04:17 | <dspace> | yeah, AES-NI is a specific chip that handles crypto efficiently |
| 04:17 | <dspace> | which is probably why it's limited to 64 bit |
| 04:18 | <notr00t> | new intel chips have aes-specific instructions |
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| 04:18 | <dspace> | The Torservers guy was looking at exit nodes running specifically on dedicated servers with those chips. to handle the onion routing crypto efficiently |
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| 04:19 | <george_> | wow, I got the right driver and yet I'm still getting butt-f***ed by lexmark |
| 04:19 | <notr00t> | i was thinking itd be funny to buy up a truckload of home routers and hack them to run tor servers, then sell em on an auction site |
| 04:19 | <notr00t> | lol |
| 04:19 | <Quite> | heh |
| 04:20 | <Quite> | welcome to the world of unix printing |
| 04:20 | <notr00t> | but it would piss off the tor network operators a lot cuz it'd make tor look really bad |
| 04:20 | <george_> | notr00t, you're going to create your own internet? lol |
| 04:20 | <notr00t> | haha george think of them as permanent private proxies |
| 04:20 | <notr00t> | how many people check home routers for malware? |
| 04:20 | <notr00t> | not many |
| 04:20 | <george_> | Quite, the thing is now the driver shows up and again it installs find, but right after I add a job it automatically stops for some reason |
| 04:21 | <notr00t> | how many people have even tried it? |
| 04:21 | <Quite> | sorry, can't help you out there |
| 04:21 | <george_> | notr00t, lol |
| 04:21 | <Quite> | i only know that my canon inkjet works great in windows, but that's not of any help to you |
| 04:21 | <george_> | lol |
| 04:21 | <Quite> | ;) |
| 04:22 | <notr00t> | it might be if your canon inkjet has the ability to run software and has a network port :P |
| 04:22 | <george_> | so how can I get rid of this sh*t lexmark put on my machine with their installer? |
| 04:22 | <Quite> | i would go postscript if i were to do any printing in unix |
| 04:22 | <Quite> | that's relatively foolproof |
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| 04:22 | <Quite> | just cat a file to the printer device |
| 04:23 | <dspace> | george_: Sorry, I honestly don't know enough about printing. All I do know is that HP works pretty well. I use Samba to print to an HP printer on a Windows box without any problem. 5 years ago I had a Lexmark that never effing worked. My solution was to never use Lexmark. |
| 04:23 | <Quite> | at least it would be that simple theoretically |
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| 04:23 | <george_> | dspace, i got it before Linux use unfortunately |
| 04:23 | <notr00t> | i use pencil and paper |
| 04:23 | <notr00t> | works pretty well |
| 04:24 | <Quite> | that's a great option |
| 04:24 | <george_> | dspace, don't you still need drivers on linux machine to send document to window machine to print? |
| 04:24 | <notr00t> | slow though |
| 04:24 | <george_> | lol |
| 04:24 | <Quite> | ;) |
| 04:24 | <notr00t> | and tough to make good copies |
| 04:24 | <notr00t> | lol |
| 04:24 | <Quite> | idd |
| 04:24 | <george_> | I use a hammer and chisel |
| 04:24 | <george_> | takes a bit longer than you |
| 04:24 | <Quite> | lol |
| 04:24 | <dspace> | george_: Yeah, in this case, you still need the HP driver PLUS Samba to interface with the Windows machine, but it works |
| 04:25 | <Quite> | i use sheeps blood on rocks |
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| 04:25 | <george_> | hey |
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| 04:25 | <george_> | all these ways are faster than getting this working or how long it'll take Lexmark to get working drivers |
| 04:25 | <Quite> | it's called goatscript |
| 04:25 | <george_> | sad thing is they have the driver but doesn't work |
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| 04:26 | <Quite> | yes |
| 04:26 | <Quite> | pity |
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| 04:26 | <dspace> | Printer ink is made of unicorn blood, now that's fancy |
| 04:26 | <Quite> | :o |
| 04:26 | <notr00t> | wow |
| 04:26 | <dspace> | I mean it must be. What else would explain the price? |
| 04:26 | <Quite> | is that why it's so damn expensive |
| 04:26 | <Quite> | exactly |
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| 04:27 | <notr00t> | corporate gluttony is a possible alternative, though i personally think the unicorn blood idea is more likely |
| 04:27 | <Quite> | what they lose on the printers they gain on the ink |
| 04:27 | <Quite> | inhuman prices, really |
| 04:27 | <george_> | dspace, probably why it's sooo expensive |
| 04:27 | <Quite> | i don't do much printing anyway |
| 04:28 | <Quite> | i suppose a laser is more economical in the long run |
| 04:28 | <george_> | just do everything in school lol |
| 04:28 | <Quite> | i have yet to own one |
| 04:28 | <george_> | at least for me, I'm still young |
| 04:28 | <Quite> | i'm still old |
| 04:28 | <Quite> | :| |
| 04:28 | <notr00t> | or hack a smart card for a copy shop |
| 04:29 | <george_> | damn I need to be up in hour and half to go fishing |
| 04:29 | <Quite> | shucks |
| 04:29 | <Quite> | and so he went fishing |
| 04:29 | <Quite> | sounded like you would disappear |
| 04:29 | <Quite> | ;) |
| 04:30 | <notr00t> | i need to sleep |
| 04:30 | <Quite> | in the US i suppose |
| 04:30 | <Quite> | europe here |
| 04:31 | <notr00t> | just havent done it in the last 30 hours or so |
| 04:32 | <notr00t> | doesnt matter what time of day it is |
| 04:32 | <notr00t> | lol |
| 04:32 | <dspace> | That's gonna be one shitty fishing trip |
| 04:32 | <Quite> | hehe |
| 04:33 | <Quite> | geeks never sleep |
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| 04:33 | <notr00t> | i wish i didn't need to |
| 04:33 | <george_> | Quite, US yeah :/ |
| 04:33 | <notr00t> | i'd get so much more done |
| 04:33 | <Quite> | oh, you too |
| 04:33 | <george_> | dspace, I'm not driving, so no worries |
| 04:33 | <notr00t> | i'm intrigued by this idea of hacking home routers into proxies |
| 04:33 | <Quite> | i must say that the people here on #debian are generally a lot nicer than on any general #linux channel |
| 04:34 | <notr00t> | i'm sure someone else has done it |
| 04:34 | <Quite> | i thought the #freebsd guys were pretty stuck up as wlel |
| 04:34 | <Quite> | well even |
| 04:34 | <Quite> | i haven't been in a public irc room for ages |
| 04:34 | <Quite> | but this one is fully tolerable |
| 04:34 | <notr00t> | everyone has been at that "wow this is a lot to take in i feel really stupid" stage |
| 04:35 | <notr00t> | when first moving to linux, in particular |
| 04:35 | <Quite> | i started out in 1995 with slackware |
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| 04:35 | <Quite> | that should tell something about my age |
| 04:35 | <dspace> | I'm sure we're all glad to hear that we're "tolerable" :) |
| 04:35 | <notr00t> | then you figure it out and you end up hating Windows and MS for effing the whole world |
| 04:35 | <Quite> | anyway, i have been away from unix for years |
| 04:36 | <Quite> | nah, i still use windows |
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| 04:36 | <Quite> | not because i like it, but because i need to |
| 04:36 | <notr00t> | but shitty MS software makes for lots of $$ to be made fixing all the crashes |
| 04:36 | <notr00t> | :) |
| 04:36 | <Quite> | software availibility |
| 04:36 | <george_> | Windows isn't too bad |
| 04:36 | <notr00t> | i would advise any company i worked for to not switch to linux because if it's set up right there's little need for IT people |
| 04:36 | <george_> | I hate Apple |
| 04:36 | <Quite> | win7 is pretty solid |
| 04:37 | <Quite> | i never used vista |
| 04:37 | <george_> | they basically took unix and charged people for it |
| 04:37 | <george_> | and price their crap really high |
| 04:37 | <george_> | whereas linux basically took unix and gave it away for free |
| 04:37 | <notr00t> | you gotta admit though: the ipod and iphone were gamechangers |
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| 04:37 | <Quite> | i would say windows is still the best option for "normal people" |
| 04:37 | <dspace> | Windows releases not when it's necessary or useful, but when it maximizes profits. The average user will own a computer for 3-6 years, so that's how often a new Windows release will come out. |
| 04:37 | <notr00t> | so was itunes |
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| 04:37 | <Quite> | people that are virtually computer illiterate |
| 04:38 | <Quite> | yes dspace |
| 04:38 | <notr00t> | <Quite> people that are virtually computer illiterate <-- basically the whole planet |
| 04:38 | <Quite> | they are cynical like any business |
| 04:38 | <dspace> | Because most people don't actually buy upgrades. They upgrade when they buy a new computer. But that pushes the new version out for Microsoft. |
| 04:38 | <Quite> | notr00t that's what i meant :) |
| 04:38 | <george_> | happy father's day to all you old people lol |
| 04:38 | <notr00t> | haha |
| 04:38 | <Quite> | betweent the lines |
| 04:38 | <Quite> | between even |
| 04:39 | <notr00t> | being a father isn't restricted to old people today |
| 04:39 | <george_> | the other day I saw some mexicans (not being racist or anything) buy an antivirus with their laptop |
| 04:39 | <notr00t> | they hand out condoms before they hand out algebra books |
| 04:39 | <george_> | they paid like 40 dollars for it |
| 04:39 | <devil> | now this is getting really ot |
| 04:39 | <notr00t> | hahaha |
| 04:40 | <devil> | how about moving it to #debian-offtopic |
| 04:40 | <Quite> | after all, the people who write win7 need some food on their table |
| 04:40 | <Quite> | they don't do it for fun |
| 04:40 | <Quite> | linux is written by people in their spare time |
| 04:40 | <Quite> | there's a difference |
| 04:40 | <george_> | sad when you see people buying a brand new computer and then buying an antivirus to protect themselves (slow down their computer) |
| 04:41 | <Quite> | oh i always uninstall virus stuff |
| 04:41 | <Quite> | antivirus even |
| 04:41 | <Quite> | it just slows the machine down |
| 04:41 | <notr00t> | not a good idea on a windoze box |
| 04:41 | <Quite> | "i always uninstall viruses" |
| 04:41 | <devil> | how about moving this to #debian-offtopic |
| 04:41 | <Quite> | if it was that easy ;) |
| 04:41 | <devil> | its notdebian related in any way |
| 04:41 | <notr00t> | hook a windoze box up to the internet without protection and in a half hour it'll be rooted by automated scanners |
| 04:41 | <Quite> | well i am very careful about where i go on the net |
| 04:42 | <Quite> | and i don't surf a lot |
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| 04:42 | <Quite> | i have the firewall enabled of course |
| 04:42 | <Quite> | and i only use firefox in windows |
| 04:42 | <Quite> | ie is a dangerous tool |
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| 04:42 | <Yossarian> | hi guys, is there any way i can check battery wear level in linux? in windows, there was a program called Everest to do that |
| 04:42 | <Quite> | it runs activex stuff behind your back |
| 04:42 | <dspace> | Quite: Bill Gates has something like $60 billion. Their release model did more than put food on the table |
| 04:43 | <Quite> | yes... GOOD food |
| 04:43 | <dspace> | hehe |
| 04:43 | <Quite> | hehe |
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| 04:43 | <thenewb> | it's amazing how much money one of these machine's is worth, or a program that run's on it |
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| 04:43 | <dspace> | Nobody working at Microsoft is struggling merely to put food on the table. Everything they do maximizes profits for them at the expense of the user |
| 04:43 | <thenewb> | i like that there's nice free software like this out there, and it runs good |
| 04:43 | <Quite> | but they write good stuff anyway |
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| 04:43 | <Quite> | never mind the rest |
| 04:44 | <dspace> | Hmmm, Firefox vs Internet Explorer |
| 04:44 | <dspace> | Windows Media Player vs VLC |
| 04:44 | <Quite> | i'm not advertising windows at all.... but in some ways you get what you pay for |
| 04:45 | <Quite> | although i prefer to use unix if i want to have some fun using the computer |
| 04:45 | <cahoot> | Quite, definitely OT here |
| 04:45 | <devil> | Yossarian: not that i would be aware of |
| 04:45 | <Quite> | yes cahoot |
| 04:45 | <Quite> | i was walking dangerous paths there |
| 04:45 | <Quite> | sorry |
| 04:45 | <dspace> | ah, uh, what else can Win7 do out of the box? Show PDFs? Nope. But gnome can. Show PowerPoints? Nope, but Gnome can (with LibreOffice) |
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| 04:45 | <dspace> | Windows can't even show Microsoft formats out of the box, but Linux can |
| 04:46 | <devil> | dspace: please... |
| 04:46 | <Yossarian> | devil, that's sad :( |
| 04:46 | <Quite> | let's not fight about which is the best os |
| 04:46 | <Yossarian> | devil, it's essentially the only thing i miss from my days of windows :)) |
| 04:46 | <devil> | Yossarian: maybe someone else has better news |
| 04:46 | <Quite> | i have been there too many times |
| 04:47 | <devil> | Yossarian: with 'wear level' you mean the overall health? |
| 04:47 | <Quite> | windows has its strengthes, so does unix |
| 04:47 | <JohGro> | Yossarian: I use gnome, and see in the gnome power manager applet that my battery claims 99.9 Wh, but reaches only 95.7 Wh when fully charged, if that kind of info is wht you are after... |
| 04:47 | <Yossarian> | devil, yes i think so |
| 04:47 | <Yossarian> | JohGro, how do i go about checking that? |
| 04:48 | <JohGro> | Yossarian: Do you use gnome? |
| 04:48 | <Yossarian> | JohGro, yes, with squeeze |
| 04:49 | <JohGro> | I seea battery icon on the upper right of the panel, and I can click on it and select the batter, and choose to see details about the battery. I use testing and can not test if squeeze behaves the same. |
| 04:50 | <george_> | so anyone know how I can remove the lexmark driver I installed? |
| 04:50 | <Yossarian> | sh*t! i've never seen that before! thank you JohGro |
| 04:50 | <devil> | george_: with the cups webinterface? |
| 04:50 | <george_> | devil, no I used an sh installer from lexmark |
| 04:51 | <devil> | george_: does it have an uninstaller? |
| 04:51 | <george_> | devil, not sure :/ how can I check? |
| 04:52 | <devil> | george_: look in the unpacked dir of the tar.gz |
| 04:52 | <george_> | devil, there's only the one .sh which is the installer |
| 04:52 | <devil> | george_: go shoot someone at Lexmark. ;) |
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| 04:53 | <george_> | I'm planning to (jk) |
| 04:53 | <george_> | they don't have a 64 bit driver |
| 04:53 | <devil> | Lexmark was crap when i used windows in the olden days |
| 04:53 | <george_> | and this pos 32-bit didn't work :/ |
| 04:53 | <george_> | don't ask me why I bought it, idk |
| 04:53 | <hankintosh> | george_: perhaps a long shot, but maybe they put a --remove flag in there =) You may head out a few lines and see. |
| 04:54 | <devil> | return the printer if you can |
| 04:54 | <george_> | devil, bought it from someone on craigslist like 2 years ago, doubt it lol |
| 04:54 | <devil> | ouch |
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| 04:56 | <notr00t> | sell it on craigslist again |
| 04:56 | <notr00t> | someone else will buy it and hold it for 2 years before realizing they're sick of it and don't know what else to do |
| 04:56 | <notr00t> | :) |
| 04:56 | <george_> | notr00t, maybe I should |
| 04:56 | <george_> | lol |
| 04:56 | <george_> | or they'll use it happily with windows |
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| 04:58 | <george_> | hankintosh, nope no --remove it seems |
| 04:58 | <george_> | i don't want their crap on my computer |
| 04:58 | <george_> | no way to find their crap and get rid of it? |
| 04:59 | <notr00t> | dunno |
| 04:59 | <notr00t> | dont use mac |
| 04:59 | <raylu> | when installing cacti, it pulled in libphp-adodb and i got the warning: https://pastee.org/2gr3a . i don't have any adodb lines in either of those files. accessing pages on my lighttpd through fastcgi-php now gives warnings. what should i do? |
| 04:59 | <george_> | mac? |
| 04:59 | <hankintosh> | george_: there should be an archive in that sh that they extract, there could be a way to open it manually to see what they added |
| 05:00 | <hankintosh> | george_: I haven't done it before, but seem to remember seeing uuencode or something |
| 05:00 | <hankintosh> | george_: I was also thinking of launching it in a chroot, but it may look for stuff instead of just unzipping |
| 05:01 | <george_> | hankintosh, this is why I didn't want to run this crap they call an installer |
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| 05:02 | <hankintosh> | george_: Ahh... feel tainted? =) |
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| 05:02 | <george_> | hankintosh, yeah and this is a new install just a day old :/ |
| 05:03 | <hankintosh> | george_: samhain or tripwire may help, but need to be set up beforehand... not much help now |
| 05:03 | <hankintosh> | george_: have a public link to the driver package? I'll have a look as time permits. |
| 05:04 | <hankintosh> | if linking is cool here... haven't been here in years |
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| 05:05 | <george_> | hankintosh, ahh, don't waste your time, not too big of a deal ;) |
| 05:05 | <hankintosh> | bored atm =) |
| 05:07 | <hankintosh> | trying to fix grub with an lvm root |
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| 05:07 | <george_> | hankintosh, well I need to go to sleep in a minute but maybe I can catch you here some other time, I'll be in here alot |
| 05:07 | <george_> | but it's http://support.lexmark.com/index?page=downloadFile&actp=RECOMMEND&productCode=LEXMARK_X7675&id=DR20523&segment=DOWNLOAD&actp=PRODUCT&userlocale=EN_UK&locale=en |
| 05:07 | <hankintosh> | later |
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| 05:09 | <george_> | hankintosh, have a good night or morning, need to get less than hour of sleep, going fishing lol |
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| 05:13 | <raylu> | oh. i think i've figured it out. the warning is a bug and the latter is caused by using mariadb |
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| 05:26 | <sml> | hi people |
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| 05:26 | <sml> | if i want to use dd to make a byte copy of a system to use as a backup is there any way to do it with a live mounted filesystem? or is there some other tool? rsync is good but does a byte file copy |
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| 05:33 | <hankintosh> | sml: should work, but I've never done it. If there are lots of changes going on, you may want to look into taking a snapshot of it first (if you use LVM), to make it more transaction-safe. |
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| 05:35 | <hankintosh> | sml: sorry, not the authority on that, just dumping my brain =) |
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| 05:41 | <Yossarian> | another question: what do most of you use/recommend for an IRC client? :) |
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| 05:43 | <sml> | hankintosh: did wonder if i could use some kind of snapshot |
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| 05:45 | <ml|> | sml: clonezilla is another option .. /msg dpkg clonezilla |
| 05:46 | <notr00t> | adios for now |
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| 05:50 | <DSFBagpuss> | Morning people, |
| 05:50 | <Yossarian> | what do most of you use/recommend for an IRC client? :) |
| 05:50 | <DSFBagpuss> | needa |
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| 05:50 | <Black_Prince> | Yossarian, xchat konversation weechat irsii |
| 05:50 | <DSFBagpuss> | need a bit of help with debian on a buffalo linkstation |
| 05:51 | <Yossarian> | Black_Prince, do you use all of those? |
| 05:51 | <Black_Prince> | I use xchat only |
| 05:51 | <DSFBagpuss> | I can't ping my linkstation using its host name |
| 05:51 | <Black_Prince> | That is what most people use. |
| 05:53 | <DSFBagpuss> | but I can ping it via ip address |
| 05:54 | <hankintosh> | DSFBagpuss: never heard of a linkstation, but IP of the hostname that same as what you're able to ping? |
| 05:55 | <hankintosh> | and sorry, getting early, brain melty |
| 05:55 | <DSFBagpuss> | yes ip address is 192.168.2.* I can ping that |
| 05:55 | <DSFBagpuss> | it's host name is buffalonas but i can't ping that |
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| 05:56 | <hankintosh> | DSFBagpuss: is the * meant to signify the last octet is changing? |
| 05:56 | <DSFBagpuss> | 192.168.2.6 |
| 05:56 | <DSFBagpuss> | not changing |
| 05:56 | <K0JIbKA> | DSFBagpuss: netstat -t |
| 05:58 | <DSFBagpuss> | http://pastebin.com/Yii5ktwv |
| 05:58 | <DSFBagpuss> | netstat results is the pastebin |
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| 06:06 | <DSFBagpuss> | any thoughts guys? |
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| 06:08 | <Black_Prince> | DSFBagpuss, is your hostname a FQDN with DNS setup? |
| 06:09 | <DSFBagpuss> | how would I check? |
| 06:09 | <DSFBagpuss> | my dns server (MS server2003) sees all my other machines but not my linux box |
| 06:10 | <Black_Prince> | Well, if it says "Name not found" it does not have a record. |
| 06:11 | <DSFBagpuss> | if i ping the linux box from my xp cmd line it sa |
| 06:11 | <DSFBagpuss> | ys host not found |
| 06:11 | <DSFBagpuss> | but if I ping it from within a putty (telnet) session it works |
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| 06:17 | <DSFBagpuss> | need to go for now, i'll be back later and maybe light will be shed upon my problem.... cheers guys |
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| 06:51 | <nerea> | hola |
| 06:51 | <nerea> | hay alguien hay? |
| 06:51 | <nerea> | hello |
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| 06:57 | <devil> | !es |
| 06:57 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 07:17 | <shanet> | Hey guys, I have tuxguitar and audacity installed and want to record my tuxguitar tune with audacity by routing my sound using JACKD. I have JACK controller installed. How would I go about routing, and should I be able to hear sound? |
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| 07:28 | <shanet> | hello? |
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| 07:28 | <Osiris_X> | hello! |
| 07:28 | <SynrG> | qjackctl? |
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| 07:29 | <farr3ll> | Hey guys ! |
| 07:30 | <farr3ll> | whre r u from? |
| 07:30 | <shanet> | I am trying to record my tune in tuxguitar with audacity by routing my sound using JACK |
| 07:30 | <SynrG> | shanet: i assume you mean tuxguitar-jack |
| 07:31 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 464] by debhelper |
| 07:31 | <moji> | hey guys, I get an error when i tried to install a software (any software) from Ubuntu software center. the error is "An unhandlable error occured". what should i do??? |
| 07:31 | <shanet> | No, jackd |
| 07:31 | <farr3ll> | moji:hello |
| 07:31 | <SynrG> | shanet: if you start tuxguitar-jack, audacity and qjackctl you should be able to connect up tuxguitar and audacity |
| 07:31 | <devil> | moji: ask in #ubuntu maybe? |
| 07:31 | <shanet> | Ok thanks, I shall try that |
| 07:32 | <farr3ll> | what error you got ? |
| 07:32 | <moji> | i asked on ubuntu channel but nobody could help :-l |
| 07:32 | <SynrG> | !ubuntu |
| 07:32 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 07:32 | <devil> | moji: well, we cant forsure |
| 07:32 | <moji> | farr3ll: hello buddy |
| 07:32 | <moji> | devil: thank alot :-l |
| 07:32 | <moji> | devil: thanks alot :-l |
| 07:33 | <farr3ll> | moji:tell me the error.I'll see if i can help you |
| 07:33 | <SynrG> | farr3ll, moji: off channel, please. |
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| 07:35 | <b0a9> | get off our irc network! |
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| 07:37 | <shanet> | I will be back if I have a problem. Thanks SynrG |
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| 07:41 | <Surfaceofme> | is this debian help? |
| 07:41 | <devil> | sure |
| 07:41 | <Surfaceofme> | nah |
| 07:41 | <Surfaceofme> | i don tlike ur username |
| 07:41 | <devil> | thats your problem, not mine |
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| 07:42 | <abrotman> | there are 400 other people here that may be able to help |
| 07:42 | <devil> | 448, to be precise |
| 07:42 | <SynrG> | many with prettier nicks |
| 07:42 | <Surfaceofme> | ok is there a channel to get a free shell hjere? |
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| 07:42 | <abrotman> | Surfaceofme: do you need Debian help? |
| 07:43 | <Surfaceofme> | i need a server help |
| 07:43 | <abrotman> | we don't give out free shells here |
| 07:43 | <SynrG> | apt-get install bash |
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| 07:47 | <salman> | with all the 'strange' problems and errors I am facing daily, I think it is about time that I have a fresh install of squeeze, I will free one tomorrow for this task. It is sad, because I first installed etch when it was still in testing |
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| 07:55 | <SynrG> | salman: strange? like ... ? |
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| 07:57 | <salman> | gnome with no windows frames or titles for main window despite wm running, but child window, like 'about' does have them |
| 07:57 | <abrotman> | tried changing WM ? |
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| 07:58 | <salman> | yes, the only one that worked is bluetiles |
| 07:58 | <SynrG> | what happens? |
| 07:59 | <SynrG> | you start a wm and ... any error messages? |
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| 07:59 | <salman> | SynrG, no error messages, those errors I mentioned are in the booting messages |
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| 07:59 | <SynrG> | i wasn't here for that. |
| 07:59 | <salman> | abrotman, I tried gnome-fail and it is ok |
| 08:00 | <abrotman> | so it's a WM problem? what's your WM ? |
| 08:00 | <salman> | abrotman, metacity |
| 08:00 | <SynrG> | so there's no metacity process running? |
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| 08:01 | <SynrG> | if you start metacity from the commandline, is there any error output? |
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| 08:01 | <salman> | abrotman, these are some error I discovered in .xsession-error: http://paste.debian.net/120293/ |
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| 08:02 | <Cocksucker> | lo |
| 08:02 | <Cocksucker> | l |
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| 08:02 | <Iluvhoes> | hi |
| 08:02 | <salman> | SynrG, I am running now with a terminal open with metacity --replace, no errors but no frames |
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| 08:03 | <SynrG> | salman: maybe some issues with ownership of dotfiles? |
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| 08:04 | <SynrG> | it's possible to pretty badly screw things up if you run some X apps as root without changing HOME so that dotfiles get written with root ownership in your home dir |
| 08:04 | <salman> | SynrG, not sure why if true, I never play with permissions |
| 08:04 | <SynrG> | generally, if you want to do something like that, you use gksudo/gksu to launch the app |
| 08:04 | <salman> | SynrG, and never log in -specially to X as root |
| 08:05 | <SynrG> | no ... |
| 08:05 | <SynrG> | i mean su |
| 08:05 | <salman> | SynrG, I always do a su |
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| 08:07 | <SynrG> | salman: what i mean is, i have seen situations where su was used, then an X app was launched, then ownerships of dotfiles in the user's home dir were messed up (not recently, though ... i think su by default changes HOME now) |
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| 08:07 | <SynrG> | but if you've had the system ever since etch ... it's possible such stuff has crept in |
| 08:07 | <SynrG> | so just check ownership of all dotfiles in your home dir |
| 08:08 | <SynrG> | e.g. |
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| 08:08 | <SynrG> | find ~ -not -user salman |
| 08:09 | <SynrG> | trying this myself on my own account, i just found ~/.rpmdb is owned by root. how strange :/ |
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| 08:13 | <SynrG> | salman: in any case, i think a reinstall is not needed here. it likely relates to some user config issue. if you create an account 'testuser' and login to X with that, i suspect all will be well ... |
| 08:14 | <SynrG> | so you just need to figure out which user configs are broken and fix them. |
| 08:14 | <gnugr> | salman: to see available WM run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" and to set default WM use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" |
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| 08:15 | <salman> | SynrG, I did create another user and had the same issue |
| 08:15 | <salman> | SynrG, I even renamed ~/.config/ and rebooted and nothing changed |
| 08:15 | <SynrG> | ah |
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| 08:16 | <salman> | SynrG, find ~ -not -user salman shows nothing |
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| 08:17 | <SynrG> | something strange about sessions, then |
| 08:17 | <SynrG> | shutdown gdm and just try logging into console and startx |
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| 08:17 | <salman> | SynrG, that is the word I used :-) |
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| 08:23 | <SynrG> | salman: i don't understand in http://paste.debian.net/120293/ the relationship between /tmp/user/1000 and /home/salman |
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| 08:23 | <SynrG> | is 1000 the uid of 'salman'? |
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| 08:24 | <salman> | how can I tell? |
| 08:25 | <abrotman> | getent salman passwd |
| 08:25 | <abrotman> | erm .. getent passwd salman |
| 08:25 | <SynrG> | echo $UID |
| 08:26 | <SynrG> | that too |
| 08:26 | <salman> | it is 1000 |
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| 08:27 | <SynrG> | can you login without gdm? |
| 08:27 | <SynrG> | just wondering if it's gdm's session stuff that's messed up. |
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| 08:29 | <salman> | SynrG, I always use gdm although I have others installed too |
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| 08:30 | <salman> | SynrG, when I open a new program, say the terminal, I can see the window frames and title there for a second then it disappears |
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| 08:33 | <Osiris_X> | I have a key in gpg --list-keys but not in gpg --list-secret-keys - how do I fix that? |
| 08:33 | <gnugr> | salman: did you see this configuration? " http://www.gungeralv.org/notes/archives/000323.php " ( its for metacity WM ) |
| 08:35 | <salman> | gnugr, no, I will go through it, thanks |
| 08:36 | <salman> | although I have a feeling that metacity is ok, but something else suppress the windows decoration, not sure though |
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| 08:38 | <SynrG> | Osiris_X: it's your own secret key? normally, when you generate a secret/public key pair, it's added to your secret keyring. where did this one come from? |
| 08:39 | <Osiris_X> | SynrG, yes it is my own key, but it was created on a different machine in my network |
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| 08:44 | <maxb> | Osiris_X: You need to export the secret key from where it is stored and import it on the other machine |
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| 08:44 | <Osiris_X> | maxb, that's what I thought I did, but I guess I only exported the one from pubring.gpg |
| 08:44 | <maxb> | --export-secret-keys, --import |
| 08:45 | <Osiris_X> | maxb, however both secring.gpg and pubring.gpg are identical on my other machine - is this a mistake? |
| 08:46 | <maxb> | bytewise identical? |
| 08:46 | <maxb> | That would be wrong. |
| 08:47 | <maxb> | Try gpg --list-secret-keys |
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| 08:49 | <Osiris_X> | maxb, I mean gpg --list-secret-keys has the same output as gpg --list-keys |
| 08:50 | <SynrG> | ah. then if you've only ever generated keys and never imported anyone else's public key, that's fine. |
| 08:50 | <Osiris_X> | SynrG ok great |
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| 08:51 | <Osiris_X> | thanks |
| 08:52 | <Osiris_X> | SynrG, does this mean I can gpg import-secret-keys the key that I exported from pubring.gpg? |
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| 08:55 | <SynrG> | hmm ... http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/r887.html |
| 08:55 | <SynrG> | so if it's a security risk, what's the secure way? |
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| 09:00 | <Black_Prince> | I remember there was a way to password protect exported private key |
| 09:00 | <Black_Prince> | So you can import it later if needed. |
| 09:00 | <SynrG> | Osiris_X: and there is no --import-secret-keys afaik. just --import |
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| 09:02 | <Black_Prince> | gpg -a --export-secret-keys keyhere | gpg -aco keyfile.key to export and password protect secret key |
| 09:02 | <Black_Prince> | gpg --decrypt keyfile.key | gpg --import to import |
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| 09:21 | <nardev> | Which one is good proxy server? My local network blocks me youtube/facebook etc and i have server remotely that i want to use as proxy to avoid local network policy. Which is good and easy to setup proxy for that purposes? |
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| 09:29 | <omry_> | what is the meaning of Could not perform immediate configuration on 'apache2-mpm-prefork' ? |
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| 09:32 | <gnugr> | !tell omry_ -about apache2 mpm |
| 09:34 | <omry_> | gnugr, yeah - so? |
| 09:34 | <omry_> | I know what mpm worker is. |
| 09:34 | <omry_> | but what is this error message? |
| 09:34 | <omry_> | why can't I install it |
| 09:34 | <gnugr> | !tell omry_ -about php mpm |
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| 09:34 | <omry_> | (its an error message I get from apt-get) |
| 09:35 | <weasel> | gnugr: do you actually know what the problem is or do you just like dpkg? |
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| 09:39 | <omry_> | guess his solution is that I don't use mpm-worker |
| 09:40 | <Fudgey> | hi guys what can i use instead of ubuntus apt-add-repository |
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| 09:40 | <babilen> | Fudgey: An editor? Which repository do you want to add? |
| 09:40 | <gnugr> | omry_: apache2-mpm-prefork is in my repositories, why not in yours? |
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| 09:42 | <Fudgey> | babilen dusek-spd-daily, its to convert vinux to debian |
| 09:42 | <Fudgey> | i know how to get the sources and put them somewhere but not sure on how to add the keys |
| 09:42 | <omry_> | gnugr, why do you think its not in my repos? |
| 09:43 | <Fudgey> | babilen vinuxscripts on sourceforge |
| 09:43 | <gnugr> | omry_: you said you can't install it, no? |
| 09:43 | <Fudgey> | ive created a squeeze branch and jsut have to go through and make it work for debian, it runs on ubuntu but of course there are differences |
| 09:43 | <abrotman> | Fudgey: are you on Ubuntu or Debian ? |
| 09:44 | <Fudgey> | currently i am on natty, i have mint installed but can install debian |
| 09:44 | <babilen> | Fudgey: PPAs are not meant to be used with Debian and the packaging is of unknown quality. I do not recommend installing from PPAs. That being said: Just add it to /etc/apt/sources.list and be done with it. I would, however, recommend to just compile the software yourself and add it to /usr/local -- Use stow to manage those installations. "/msg dpkg stow" + "/msg dpkg stow usage" |
| 09:44 | <Fudgey> | i will use debian to get the scripts working |
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| 09:44 | <abrotman> | Fudgey: how is this related to Debian ? |
| 09:44 | <abrotman> | Fudgey: ask the channel for your distro .. this isn't it |
| 09:45 | <Fudgey> | excuse me abrotman i am in the right place |
| 09:45 | <babilen> | Fudgey: How so? |
| 09:45 | <abrotman> | no, you're not |
| 09:45 | <omry_> | gnugr, there can be many reasons for this. specifically - I had a useless error which is not "the package is not found" |
| 09:45 | <Fudgey> | let me clarify |
| 09:45 | <abrotman> | we do not support Mint or Ubuntu |
| 09:45 | <omry_> | gnugr, I somehow worked it out in any case. |
| 09:46 | <gnugr> | omry_: are you with squeeze or testing? |
| 09:46 | <Fudgey> | vinux is a remastered version of currently ubuntu for visually impaired users, we are porting the scripts we wrote to be able to to remaster a debian machine. so i am working out conflicts so that we can run the script over a debian install and create a vinux debian remastered for vision impaired. |
| 09:46 | <omry_> | gnugr, squeeze |
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| 09:46 | <omry_> | gnugr, it could be something I did wrong though. I am using some additional repositories |
| 09:47 | <babilen> | !tell omry_ -about bat |
| 09:47 | <abrotman> | Fudgey: Mint and Ubuntu are not Debian .. please try again |
| 09:47 | <babilen> | omry_: Give us detailed information please :) |
| 09:47 | <Fudgey> | abrotman i siad the scripts will be run on debian, whats your problem |
| 09:47 | <abrotman> | Fudgey: install Debian .. |
| 09:48 | <babilen> | Fudgey: Do you need help with the creation of a Debian pure blend? Are you actually working on Debian now? |
| 09:48 | <abrotman> | Fudgey: Mint and Ubuntu change parts of the distro .,. any advice we give you about debian could destroy either of those distros |
| 09:48 | <Fudgey> | i am not currently at this stage working in debian, i am researching so i am prepared |
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| 09:49 | <omry_> | babilen, the problem disappeared I removed apache and reinstalled it. so debugging this now will probably not work |
| 09:49 | <omry_> | 10x anyway |
| 09:49 | <babilen> | omry_: Ok, just wanted to mention it because it is hard to solve problems in "crystal-ball-mode" :) |
| 09:49 | <abrotman> | Fudgey: generally, Debian users use an editor to add sources .. mixing versions of Debian and/or other distros is likely to lead to a broken system |
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| 09:50 | <omry_> | babilen, no doubt :) |
| 09:51 | <Fudgey> | i will read up on stow, its my understanding that later versions of speech-dispatcher and our custom apps vinux uses would be fine from a ppa but i do appreciate your concerns and you can no tproblems solve with such a mix. I will return once squeeze instaleld with direct questions |
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| 09:52 | <abrotman> | Fudgey: FWIW, why not work with Debian to have them included in Debian, instead of a side project? |
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| 09:53 | <Fudgey> | we do try and get some of our fixes up stream abrotman , but some projects are abandenned or hacked and are not good enough to get into mainstream |
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| 09:54 | <abrotman> | Fudgey: Debian isn't really 'upstream' .. sounds like you are upstream in some cases .. you can be a package maintainer too .. and if they work in Debian, they'll likely get included in 'multiverse' or whatever it is .. and then be in ubuntu too |
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| 09:55 | <babilen> | Fudgey: Another thing you could do is to file and RFP (/msg dpkg rfp) for the software. If you are interested you can package it yourself and have it sponsored in Debian. (/msg dpkg rfs) |
| 09:56 | <Fudgey> | thanks for the info |
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| 09:57 | <Fudgey> | im downloading squeeze now and iwll install afte rwork tomorrow :d |
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| 10:52 | <Black_Prince> | Er |
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| 10:53 | <Infra_HDC> | rere |
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| 10:59 | <Guest5197> | hi can any one hack into our systems using proxy |
| 11:00 | <Guest5197> | i have my proxy settings open, so that means that someone can come and hack my computer ?? |
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| 11:00 | <Guest5197> | can anyone hear me ?? |
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| 11:24 | <scisteffan> | hey - when I try and print a page using CUPS, the CUPS server stops running |
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| 11:25 | <scisteffan> | then I restart CUPS and it does the same |
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| 11:27 | <K0JIbKA> | I was reading this http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-packaging.html and in the text I found some confusing part about switching back to 'original' Debian kernel source. Can anybody explain me this? |
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| 11:27 | <K0JIbKA> | my kernel is behaving strange at the moment |
| 11:28 | <K0JIbKA> | will it work out like $ /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.26/apply/debian 1 ? |
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| 11:30 | <K0JIbKA> | correction - version is different |
| 11:30 | <cyberninja> | which version |
| 11:31 | <K0JIbKA> | cyberninja: kernel |
| 11:31 | <cyberninja> | ok |
| 11:31 | <cyberninja> | help me to get download secret files |
| 11:33 | <cyberninja> | sslserver |
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| 12:24 | <manuel__> | nass |
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| 13:18 | <zar> | portscan auf UNIX |
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| 13:19 | <zar> | 10.18.52.25 ??? |
| 13:19 | <sney> | the application you are looking for is called nmap |
| 13:20 | <zar> | 1570 1675 port |
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| 13:20 | <sney> | do you have a question? |
| 13:20 | <mazze> | I seek some help with a difficult topic (at least for me): locales. I have a localised workstation here, and when I open a gnome-terminal, I can write mit special characters without problem, and LANG is set to de_AT.UTF-8. I think, this should have been a good choice. In Eterm however I cannot enter my language's special characters. |
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| 13:21 | <sney> | I think that might just be a weakness with Eterm. |
| 13:21 | <mazze> | Furthermore, when I ssh to a remote installation, even with gnome-terminal, I can no longer those characters too, even though the same locales are compiled there (but not set in the environment). Any hint? |
| 13:21 | <mazze> | sney might be, it seems a bit outdated. Maybe it is not compatible with Unicode. |
| 13:21 | <mazze> | (but this is not my biggest issue) |
| 13:22 | <tzafrir> | mazze, what do you see when you type those characters? |
| 13:23 | <mazze> | tzafrir I see a capital "C" and a sign, dependent on which key I hit. |
| 13:23 | <tzafrir> | mazze, is it possible that this is because of a different font used? |
| 13:24 | <mazze> | tzafrir to set the not that big topic between Eterm and gnome-terminal aside: When using gnome-terminal locally, it just works fine. When I do then in the terminal an ssh to a remote server, I only get the signs described. In this case, it should not be a font problem. |
| 13:25 | <mazze> | (As far as I understand it) |
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| 13:25 | <tzafrir> | mazze, so it's an issue with the locale settings on the remote system? |
| 13:26 | <mazze> | tzafrir might be. But I don't know what to do or where to look: I compiled already the locale there I use locally, and tried to just export LANG, but it did not seem to have an influence ... |
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| 13:31 | <gnugr> | mazze: check htis out " http://wiki.debian.org/Locale " i hope will help you |
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| 13:32 | <mazze> | gnugr thank you for the link, I will study it (didn't find that before :( ) |
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| 13:33 | <nodisc> | Hey all, I still have this problem: LCD backlight not turning on when my netbook comes back from suspend. I already tried pm-suspend quirks, disabling kms... no way. I'm running wheezy with kernel 2.6.38-5-amd64, video card is an Intel 3150 with the i915 driver. Helpppp please |
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| 13:34 | <gnugr> | mazze: see also what the bot says with ( /msg dselect locales ) |
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| 13:34 | <tc> | hello |
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| 13:38 | <mazze> | gnugr It did help, thank you very much. (The SSH-Server was a very old installation and missed the AllowEnv directive in /etc/ssh/sshd_config). :) |
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| 13:55 | <Ensinger> | Hi, I have a notebook with two graphics cards (intel HD and Nvidia 520m). How can I find out which one is running? |
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| 13:57 | <sney> | glxinfo |grep -i render |
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| 13:59 | <Ensinger> | says Intel. does that mean the Nvidia card is not powered, or just that the Intel gfx is doing the rendering but the Nvidia is still powered? |
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| 14:00 | <sney> | that would depend on the hardware, probably |
| 14:01 | <sney> | if the nvidia gpu isn't being used for rendering, then it shouldn't be drawing much power at least |
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| 14:06 | <saintk> | Hi, I've been experimenting for several hours but can't find a satisfying correctly working solution. I want to lock users in their homedirectory when they access it through SSH. For SCP I found an easy workable solution. Any tips for ssh (guides etc?) |
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| 14:06 | <sney> | you mean make it so they can't cd to anything outside their home directories? |
| 14:07 | <sney> | saintk: how about with chroots? http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/chroot-users-with-openssh-an-easier-way-to-confine-users-to-their-home-directories/229 |
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| 14:12 | <saintk> | sney: Yea, I don't want em to be able to do anything outside of their own directory |
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| 14:13 | <saintk> | I've been trying to chroot just now, but I keep running into a (for me) unsolvable problem when I want to excecute stuff such as irssi and screen as the chrooted users I get this; Cannot find terminfo entry for 'xterm'. |
| 14:13 | <saintk> | No matter what I try, I can't seem to beat that error using goodle |
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| 14:13 | <sney> | I think you can have user-specific .terminfo files in /home dirs |
| 14:14 | <saintk> | Aye, I copied everything to the correct locations, in the chroot, in the home dir's |
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| 14:14 | <FCcuore> | jnk |
| 14:14 | <saintk> | well there is no .terminfo file in the /home dir, but I moved all term related stuff into the chroot |
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| 14:16 | <sney> | well it would have to be in a location recognized by the system, you can't just put the /etc/term* trees in each home dir and hope for the best |
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| 14:17 | <Black_Prince> | saintk, do you have ncurses-term and ncurses-base packages installed? |
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| 14:18 | <saintk> | I moved /usr/share/terminfo into the jail (as suggested while searching for solutions) |
| 14:18 | <saintk> | Black_Prince: yes I do |
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| 14:19 | <Infra_HDC> | topic must be corrected because 6.0.2 released? |
| 14:20 | <saintk> | not moved, copied * |
| 14:20 | <sney> | next saturday, Infra_HDC |
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| 14:22 | <Infra_HDC> | sney, $ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:22 | <Infra_HDC> | 6.0.2 |
| 14:23 | <sney> | http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/06/msg00093.html |
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| 14:23 | <saintk> | Are there any usable DeBian Squeeze / user chroot guides? Then I'll give it another go from scratch |
| 14:23 | <sney> | it's not officially 'released' yet though it is frozen now |
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| 14:25 | <daemonkeeper> | saintk: FWIW If anything, it would be DebIan :) |
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| 14:55 | <mdb> | Problem with nm-applet: cant disconnect mobile-umts |
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| 14:59 | <wrek-gar> | is there anyone here using a wireless network? |
| 14:59 | <sney> | I am right now |
| 14:59 | <sney> | is that all you wanted to know? |
| 15:00 | <wrek-gar> | wireless usb adapter starts runs for about a minute and then cuts off, it doesn't stay on long enough for any devices to recognize the connection |
| 15:00 | <sney> | !otherchannel wrek-gar #ubuntu irc.freenode.net |
| 15:00 | <dpkg> | wrek-gar: The channel you are looking for is #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.freenode.net/#ubuntu |
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| 15:01 | <wrek-gar> | dpkg, this is for a debian desktop |
| 15:01 | <dpkg> | wrek-gar: what are you talking about? |
| 15:01 | <wrek-gar> | wifi adapter runs then it cuts out |
| 15:01 | <sney> | ok, what wireless adapter is it |
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| 15:03 | <mdb> | Problem with nm-applet: umts-connection is forgotten after manual disconnect (no more connect, have to unplug umts-modem and re-plug to reconnect) but have to leave now. :-( |
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| 15:04 | <tchnkion> | sney, ? |
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| 15:05 | <sney> | tchnkion: ok, what wireless adapter is it? |
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| 15:07 | <tchnkion> | usb adapter |
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| 15:08 | <sney> | that really needs to be more specific! there are a lot of different companies making usb wifi adapters |
| 15:09 | <tchnkion> | d-link dwl-1222 |
| 15:09 | <tchnkion> | *dwl-122 |
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| 15:10 | <sney> | tchnkion: also, to reset it, what do you have to do? unplug the adapter and plug it back in? |
| 15:10 | <hmza911> | hi to all! |
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| 15:11 | <sney> | tchnkion: also, to reset it, what do you have to do? unplug the adapter and plug it back in? |
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| 15:11 | <tchnkion> | sney, it works just doesn't stay connected |
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| 15:11 | <solclum> | tchnkion, have you looked at: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/gentoo-linux/30078-tutorial-dlink-dwl-122-gentoo.html ? |
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| 15:12 | <sney> | that howto is probably out of date |
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| 15:12 | <tchnkion> | 2004 |
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| 15:12 | <solclum> | Yeah most likely, but outdated is better than nothing |
| 15:12 | <sney> | !prism2_usb |
| 15:12 | <dpkg> | The <linux-wlan-ng> prism2_usb driver provides support for 802.11b USB wireless LAN devices based on Prism 2/2.5/3 chipsets. It is included as staging driver since Linux 2.6.28. <WPA> is not supported. Squeeze users, ask me about <prism2_usb firmware>. To install this driver on Lenny/2.6.26, ask me about <prism2_usb lenny>. http://wiki.debian.org/linux-wlan-ng |
| 15:12 | <sney> | ^ actually relevant to debian systems, to boot |
| 15:13 | <solclum> | Ahh, did not know that |
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| 15:14 | <sney> | I bet it needs that firmware package. tchnkion: do '/msg dpkg prism2_usb firmware' in your irc client for instructions |
| 15:14 | <tchnkion> | right now the primary connection is ethernet 0 |
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| 15:16 | <sney> | wrekd-gar: that's a pretty shaky network connection you have. when it drops, is there anything interesting in dmesg? |
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| 15:17 | <wrekd-gar> | sney, there is always a problem with ethernet connection, tried port forwarding but nothing works |
| 15:18 | <sney> | is there anything in the last 10 or so lines of dmesg that might point to a reason? any error message? |
| 15:18 | <wrekd-gar> | sney, need more info on how to use dmesg |
| 15:18 | <wrekd-gar> | no clue as to how it works |
| 15:19 | <sney> | it's just a command that shows you the system log. run it in a terminal and it'll output a lot of text. |
| 15:19 | <sney> | see if there's anything at the end that looks like a network error. |
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| 15:23 | <wrekd-gar> | sney, is there an example on how to use dmesg? |
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| 15:23 | <sney> | wrekd-gar: it's just a command that shows you the system log. run it in a terminal and it'll output a lot of text. |
| 15:23 | <wrekd-gar> | example? |
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| 15:24 | <wrekd-gar> | dmesg -c dpkg prism2_usb firmware ? |
| 15:24 | <sney> | no -c no nothing |
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| 15:24 | <sney> | argh |
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| 15:24 | <solclum> | It's alright sney, he'll be back, must be bad for him |
| 15:24 | <sney> | I don't know why he's still asking for an example. just try it! sheesh! |
| 15:25 | <solclum> | Just wants to be sure |
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| 15:25 | <sney> | wrekd-gar: there is no example. just run it by itself. |
| 15:25 | <sney> | and look at the text. |
| 15:25 | <sney> | and see if there is anything like the word "error" or something that sounds like networking. |
| 15:28 | <wrekd-gar> | http://paste.debian.net/120375/ |
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| 15:29 | <wrekd-gar> | sney, it's odd because it recognizes the surrounding wireless networks but it won't stay in adhoc mode |
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| 15:31 | <wrekd-gar> | sney, it's odd because it recognizes the surrounding wireless networks but it won't stay in adhoc mode |
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| 15:31 | <sney> | wrekd-gar: I see a usb disconnect in the log, does it do that every time the connection drops? |
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| 15:31 | <sney> | wrekd-gar: maybe it needs the firmware to work in adhoc mode. |
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| 15:32 | <wrekd-gar> | not for certain, is there a way it can be checked? |
| 15:32 | <sney> | dmesg |less would let you scroll up and down with the arrow keys |
| 15:32 | <solclum> | Not sure if this'll help but I found this: http://wiki.debian.org/linux-wlan-ng#Squeeze |
| 15:32 | <sney> | just look for more usb disconnects on 4-2 |
| 15:32 | <solclum> | It includes a link for the firmware installer |
| 15:32 | <wrekd-gar> | ok,.. should prism2 firmware drivers be installed? |
| 15:33 | <sney> | it's worth a shot |
| 15:33 | <sney> | !prism2_usb firmware |
| 15:33 | <dpkg> | Firmware for use by the <prism2_usb> staging driver in Linux >= 2.6.32 (prism2_ru.fw) is available via the prism2-usb-firmware-installer package in <contrib>. Note that only some devices require firmware from userspace for their operation. For all devices, it will transiently upgrade station firmware to v1.8.3. Lenny/2.6.26 users, ask me about <prism2_usb lenny>. |
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| 15:34 | <wrekd-gar> | sney, thanks |
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| 15:53 | <codinGenesis> | i freshly installed debian 5, everything went fine, but i am not able to hear sound ?? |
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| 15:53 | <codinGenesis> | so how to make sound working ?? |
| 15:53 | <babilen> | codinGenesis: Any particular reason why you did not install a recent version? (i.e. Debian 6 aka Squeeze) |
| 15:53 | <debnov> | hi all, I upgraded debian lenny recently and now i have no X, when I startx I get the error R128(0): No DFP detected. I have a ati rage 128 pro, I have tried using the fglrx driver but no X then either |
| 15:54 | <codinGenesis> | babilen: i have 5 sets of dvd of debian 5 |
| 15:54 | <codinGenesis> | i don't have a great internet connection... |
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| 15:54 | <rss> | debnov; th r128 is not supported by fglrx |
| 15:55 | <debnov> | ok thanks |
| 15:55 | <babilen> | codinGenesis: You are aware that it will only be supported for about half a year (tad longer) ? |
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| 15:55 | <debnov> | I also tried vesa |
| 15:55 | <daemonkeeper> | codinGenesis: That said, you could just try to upgrade to Debian 6 and see if your sound magically starts working (you know, driver support= |
| 15:55 | <debnov> | still no X |
| 15:55 | <codinGenesis> | ya, i will get those dvd's when my college will start... |
| 15:56 | <babilen> | codinGenesis: Ok, be that as it may. You most likely want to make sure that your sound hardware is configured correctly (cat /proc/asound/cards + lspci -nn → http://paste.debian.net) and you want to follow "/msg dpkg alsa checklist" |
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| 15:56 | <rss> | debnov: what does startx from a root prompt do? |
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| 15:56 | <babilen> | codinGenesis: I am also with daemonkeeper on this, better upgrade sooner than later. :) -- I'll be back in some minutes. |
| 15:56 | <debnov> | I was also considering upgrading to 6 but was afraid of the graphics stuff |
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| 15:57 | <rss> | debnov: upgrade may be a good chioce if it does not work on lenny |
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| 15:58 | <debnov> | my latest error says no devices detected |
| 15:58 | <codinGenesis> | babilen, i will upgrade very soon to the newer version........ |
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| 15:59 | <rss> | got to go cul8r |
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| 16:00 | <daemonkeeper> | codinGenesis: Note you can also order Debian CDs. |
| 16:00 | <daemonkeeper> | http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
| 16:01 | <codinGenesis> | ya, but i would be getting those dvd's from my college so waiting for my college to reopen... |
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| 16:01 | <codinGenesis> | and one more thing i want to know what is to learn about debian package manager ?? |
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| 16:02 | <jhutchins_lt> | !lenny->squeeze |
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| 16:02 | <jhutchins_lt> | dpkg: lenny->squeeze? |
| 16:02 | <dpkg> | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
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| 16:02 | <daemonkeeper> | codinGenesis: To learn what? Debian packages in general, the GUI or what? |
| 16:03 | <codinGenesis> | to make packages... |
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| 16:04 | <daemonkeeper> | Ah, well, read the New Maintainers' Guide |
| 16:04 | <daemonkeeper> | For strictly policy compliant packages read the Debian Policy and the Developer's Reference. |
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| 16:07 | <codinGenesis> | ok :) |
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| 16:08 | <daemonkeeper> | If you intend to package for Debian, feel free to ask in #debian-mentors |
| 16:09 | <debnov> | I don't have enough space for a dist-upgrade and I can't get X to work on lenny |
| 16:09 | <debnov> | i have ati rage 128pro |
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| 16:10 | <debnov> | can I upgrade certain things to testing without using an extra 3GB |
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| 16:14 | <daemonkeeper> | debnov: try "apt-get clean" and try again |
| 16:14 | <debnov> | or can someone shed some light on why my X does not work after already upgrade lenny |
| 16:15 | <debnov> | thanks daemon but my /var partition is 2.8G in total |
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| 16:16 | <jhutchins_lt> | See? Partition the drive and you end up running out of space every time. |
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| 16:17 | <debnov> | :) |
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| 16:20 | <jhutchins_lt> | debnov: Squeeze really shouldn't take up that much more space than lenny. Did you ever have it working? |
| 16:20 | <jhutchins_lt> | debnov: I think I have a rage 128 and it just works. |
| 16:20 | <jhutchins_lt> | make that _had_ a 128, and didn't run debian on it. |
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| 16:21 | <jhutchins_lt> | !kms |
| 16:21 | <dpkg> | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 16:21 | <jhutchins_lt> | debnov: You could mess with that, and you could google your chipset + xorg. |
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| 16:24 | <debnov> | jhutchins: yes, it was working for about 2 or 3 years until 2 weeks ago |
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| 16:24 | <debnov> | thing is that I have way too many packages installed, I think |
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| 16:24 | <debnov> | latex and tex-live and things like that |
| 16:25 | <debnov> | I'm remoing openoffice now to see how that changes |
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| 16:32 | <Class> | hello guys |
| 16:32 | <debnov> | hmm, I edited my sources.list for the dist-upgrade and did not return it to lenny. I did apt-get remove openoffice* and now its downloaded loads of testing packages and its run into errors setting up perl |
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| 16:35 | <Class> | i was always annoyed the fact that my ssh private key is kept in plan txt and it is quite ease to stole. So i wonder do you guys use some encryption/token or something like this ? |
| 16:35 | <Class> | to store private key ? |
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| 16:35 | <akerl> | Class: Why doesn't your private key have a passphrase |
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| 16:35 | <Class> | akerl, it has |
| 16:35 | <Class> | :) |
| 16:35 | <akerl> | And who else has root access to your box to steal the key? |
| 16:36 | <ompaul> | Class: because you can root your own machine, but seriously how many wrappers do you want around the wrapper? |
| 16:37 | <ompaul> | Class: at some point it needs to be available to the machine |
| 16:37 | <Class> | there is no need to have root privilege to stole private key |
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| 16:37 | <akerl> | Class: If you are root, and only root can read the private key, then yes, you need root to steal the key |
| 16:37 | <Class> | no |
| 16:37 | <Class> | user can read it |
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| 16:37 | <Class> | i dont have private key for root |
| 16:37 | <Class> | i have it for user |
| 16:38 | <babilen> | Class: ~/.ssh should have 700 permissions |
| 16:38 | <akerl> | Ok, how many people have access to your user? |
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| 16:38 | <Class> | its not about how many people have access to my Pc |
| 16:39 | <ompaul> | Class: define the threat please |
| 16:39 | <ompaul> | Fully |
| 16:39 | <Class> | theoretical there is chance that my pc can get compromised |
| 16:39 | <Class> | so if this happens all servers are compromised |
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| 16:40 | <akerl> | Class: That's what the passphrase is for. And good security on your pc |
| 16:40 | <ompaul> | Class: don't run windows on it at all and you will be a lot better off :) |
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| 16:40 | <babilen> | Class: You mean that somebody gains root on your machine? How would the attacker know your passphrase? |
| 16:40 | <Class> | i dont have windows |
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| 16:40 | <ompaul> | Class: if the threat was as risky as you suggest then we would be using other models for security |
| 16:40 | <Class> | passphrase can be bruted |
| 16:41 | <TCW> | Class, encrypted fs |
| 16:41 | <ompaul> | Class: how many wrappers do you want around the sweetie? |
| 16:41 | <Class> | i just want extra security |
| 16:41 | <TCW> | And a good passphrase of course |
| 16:41 | <babilen> | Class: It is, just in the same way, theoretically possible that some three letter agency abducts you and beats the password out of you. If somebody gains root on your computer it is already too late. No level of security will help you. |
| 16:41 | <akerl> | Class: If someone has compromised root on your pc, you're screwed anyway |
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| 16:42 | <Class> | im not toking about root user |
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| 16:42 | <moon> | Hi, I have successfull install debian Squeeze on my laptop but when I start I'm not in the graphical mode. What can I do?(Sorry for my very very bad english but i'M french) |
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| 16:42 | <TCW> | babilen, akerl, not if he uses for his ~ or ~/.ssh a seperate FS with a seperate decryption password :) |
| 16:42 | <Class> | it can be stolen without root permission |
| 16:43 | <ompaul> | Class: remove the keys put them on a usb key encrypt it and only plug it in when you have need of it |
| 16:43 | <Class> | token is the best staff i thing |
| 16:43 | <akerl> | TCW: Granted. But then we revert to the three letter agency + waterboard scenario |
| 16:43 | <babilen> | moon: If you prefer there are french channels → #debian-fr -- You most likely do not have a graphical login manager such as gdm3 installed. |
| 16:43 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: If you prefer, you can join #debian-fr |
| 16:43 | <daemonkeeper> | d'oh! |
| 16:43 | <Class> | ompaul, ya thats what i thought |
| 16:43 | <Class> | just wanted to asked someone |
| 16:43 | <Class> | what they used |
| 16:43 | <ompaul> | Class: but that is just silly - because you lose that key how do you get into the box |
| 16:44 | <moon> | Nobody answer in the #debian-fr chan ^^' |
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| 16:44 | <Class> | ompaul, with another token maybe :-D |
| 16:44 | <TCW> | akerl, which does not happen THAT often ;) |
| 16:44 | <moon> | But, anyway, Thanks :D |
| 16:44 | <akerl> | Class: Except that if someone has compromised your PC, (root or user), they can get your box to send them the key when you use it |
| 16:44 | <akerl> | Class: Or just, you know, steal the USB key |
| 16:44 | <babilen> | moon: You could try #debian-fr on irc.freenode.net -- It is twice as large as the one over here. But do you have gdm3 (or xdm, slime, kdm) installed? |
| 16:45 | <Class> | akerl, you mean simple usb stick ? |
| 16:46 | <moon> | I think a have, but a person answer to me, don't worry. Thanks anyway =D |
| 16:46 | <moon> | I* |
| 16:46 | <babilen> | moon: Ok, good luck! |
| 16:46 | <daemonkeeper> | Well, babilen was answering you as well. |
| 16:46 | <TCW> | moon, but your english does not sound that bad either... :) |
| 16:46 | <babilen> | indeed |
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| 16:46 | <babilen> | moon: But if you prefer help in french I am fine with that. You can always come back. |
| 16:47 | <TCW> | I guess half of all people in here are not native english speakers... and in general we do understand each other nevertheless ;) |
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| 16:47 | <daemonkeeper> | Half? |
| 16:47 | <moon> | Thank's all ! =D |
| 16:47 | <daemonkeeper> | 3 of 4 |
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| 16:47 | <babilen> | definitely |
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| 16:49 | <ompaul> | Class: lesson one in security - the man with the 100' walls gets attacked more than the man with the same size as all his neighbours and all walls have gates |
| 16:49 | <Class> | yep English is not my native language for me too moon |
| 16:49 | <moon> | Well finally there is no answer. How can I check if I have Gdm, Xfce, or others things like that installed? |
| 16:49 | <TCW> | daemonkeeper, dunno... there's GB and Ireland, the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.... but anyway, I have no idea :) |
| 16:50 | <Class> | moon, dpkg -l | grep gdm |
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| 16:50 | <TCW> | moon, dpkg -l <package name> |
| 16:50 | <moon> | Finally I stay on #debian the atmosphere is better =D |
| 16:50 | <moon> | Okay, I boot on my debian and I try that (I'm on Xubuntu -shame- now) |
| 16:51 | <Class> | ompaul, okay according to your logic you can set password like 1234 and nobody will guess because its such a weak |
| 16:51 | <moon> | Thx =) |
| 16:51 | <Class> | but in life this does not works like this at all |
| 16:51 | <TCW> | moon, oops... in general exactly when that word falls... support stops! :) |
| 16:51 | <notr00t> | hi, i was pointed here from #debian-live. if anyone has knowledge, i'm in need of some help booting an OS contained in an encrypted dmcrypt device from an already-running live CD. specifically, once i get the live CD running, i can mount the encrypted drive, but i want to boot the system that's contained in it |
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| 16:51 | <daemonkeeper> | TCW: Most Debian users (and developers) reside somewhere in Europe. Finally most of the countries you mentioned have (rather large) non English speaking minorities. If you want to discuss this any further -> #debian-offtopic |
| 16:51 | <notr00t> | i can use kexec to switch to the other kernel, but i'm unclear on how to ensure the new kernel can read the encrypted system |
| 16:52 | <TCW> | daemonkeeper, as I really don't mind... I guess not :) |
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| 16:52 | <moon> | TCW, Lol ! I knew that (X)Ubuntu was not appreciated but at this point .. ;D |
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| 16:53 | <TCW> | moon, we may manage to ignore it this time, yes ;) |
| 16:53 | <moon> | TCW, Thank you, you are now in the waiting list to be my living god. |
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| 16:54 | <babilen> | moon: Well, boot into Debian and give us the output of "dpkg -l 'gdm*' kdm slim" |
| 16:55 | <TCW> | moon, *eeks* |
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| 16:55 | <moon> | eeks? |
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| 16:55 | <moon> | babilen, okay. See you in 2 minutes :) |
| 16:56 | <babilen> | yup, cya |
| 16:56 | <TCW> | moon, just an expression of shock :) |
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| 16:59 | <debnov> | I tried doing a dist-upgrade, which fails cause I don't have enough space, I tried removing openoffice, apt-get remove openoffice*; now I have a few unmet dependancies which apt-get -f install doesn't fix anything I try with apt now tells me to try apt-get -f install |
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| 17:00 | <debnov> | glib-networking: Depends: libgnutls26... |
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| 17:01 | <TCW> | debfor the "not enough space" thing... no external harddrive available? |
| 17:01 | <TCW> | debnov, even |
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| 17:01 | <debnov> | libnepomukquery4a: Depends libkdecore5 (= 4:4.6.3-3) but is not installed |
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| 17:02 | <debnov> | I do have some space on external hd |
| 17:02 | <moon_> | Back. The command return : no paquage corresponding to 'gdm*', no paquage corresponding to kdm, no paquage corresponding to slim. |
| 17:02 | <TCW> | debso next time link that to /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 17:02 | <TCW> | debnov, even |
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| 17:02 | <moon_> | I have no desktop manager :o |
| 17:03 | <TCW> | moon_, what is your prefered desktop envirnonment? |
| 17:03 | <moon_> | I usually use Xfce, but I wan't to try Gnome, why not. |
| 17:03 | <moon_> | want* |
| 17:04 | <sney> | what does it look like when you log in? |
| 17:04 | <TCW> | moon_, then then apt-get install gdm3 |
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| 17:04 | <moon_> | Okay ! Thanks for your help, TCW. I'll keep you informed. |
| 17:04 | <TCW> | moon_, and maybe you wanna install a text irc client as well ;) |
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| 17:06 | <debnov> | ok next time, but will it amke a difference now with my unmet dependancies |
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| 17:06 | <moon_> | No thanks I prefer graphical mode ^^ |
| 17:06 | <TCW> | moon_, I mean if something goes wrong while in text mode... so you do not need to reboot all the time |
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| 17:07 | <moon_> | oh. so i use : apt-get install <name_of_the_paquage?> |
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| 17:07 | <TCW> | moon_, if you prefere apt-get, yes... but in general today aptitude is prefered |
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| 17:08 | <TCW> | but the syntax is (almost) the same |
| 17:08 | <moon_> | What's the syntax ? |
| 17:08 | <moon_> | Okay. |
| 17:08 | <TCW> | for this try aptitude install <package name> :) |
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| 17:08 | <moon_> | and do you have and IRC client has advice me? |
| 17:09 | <moon_> | I use Xchat, now. |
| 17:09 | <sney> | I like xchat |
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| 17:09 | <moon_> | the name of the paquage is xchat? |
| 17:09 | <daemonkeeper> | xchat. |
| 17:09 | <moon_> | package* |
| 17:09 | <daemonkeeper> | Feel free to use whatever you want |
| 17:09 | <babilen> | moon_: Do you have a GUI running or are you working on the console? |
| 17:09 | <moon_> | It's juste fot |
| 17:10 | <moon_> | Nothing. |
| 17:10 | <babilen> | fot? nothing? |
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| 17:10 | <daemonkeeper> | Its xchat, you can also seek for packages, use "apt-cache search keyword" |
| 17:10 | <TCW> | moon_, on text mode, irssi |
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| 17:10 | <moon_> | Forget, I was wrong |
| 17:10 | <moon_> | Okay thank you |
| 17:10 | <babilen> | moon_: If you use irssi, come here with "/connect irc.oftc.net" and join the channel with "/join #debian" |
| 17:11 | <babilen> | moon_: The name of the package is irssi and you can install it with "aptitude install irssi" |
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| 17:11 | <TCW> | I would have bet it would be /server irc.oftc.net... |
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| 17:12 | <daemonkeeper> | /server is a xchatism I think |
| 17:12 | <moon_> | You are really great. Really ! See you :D |
| 17:12 | <sney> | /server works in every irc client I've ever used |
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| 17:13 | <TCW> | daemonkeeper, nope... tested a second ago... /server works |
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| 17:13 | <babilen> | yeah, works in irssi too -- but it will close existing connections to other servers and I use /connect as this does not |
| 17:13 | <debnov> | how do I solve my "E: unable to correct dependencies" in apt |
| 17:13 | <babilen> | !tell debnov -about bat |
| 17:13 | <TCW> | babilen, ahh... nice to know |
| 17:14 | <debnov> | bat? |
| 17:14 | <sney> | debnov: check your messages |
| 17:14 | <babilen> | debnov: Please provide the information dpkg just told you about. Create a single pastebin on http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:14 | <babilen> | debnov: You ... ah, thanks sney :) |
| 17:15 | <debnov> | thanks guys |
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| 17:16 | <debnov> | do you know how I can use paste.debian from CLI |
| 17:16 | <daemonkeeper> | !pastebin |
| 17:16 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:16 | <sney> | debnov: with pastebinit |
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| 17:20 | <moon> | Back :D. So. Very, very bad problems. |
| 17:20 | <TCW> | btw. where does the dpkg command "bat" come from? |
| 17:20 | <TCW> | moon, here with irssi? |
| 17:21 | <moon> | The system can't find "apt-get" in the /usr/bin/apt-get directory |
| 17:21 | <moon> | Same for aptitude |
| 17:21 | <TCW> | moon, did you try as user or as root? |
| 17:21 | <moon> | So I can't install irssi, gdm too |
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| 17:21 | <sney> | moon: that's very strange. |
| 17:21 | <moon> | What's the passwd for root? I use "su". |
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| 17:22 | <daemonkeeper> | You set it yourself |
| 17:22 | <TCW> | moon, err... the one who installed the sustem should know the root password :) |
| 17:22 | <TCW> | system even |
| 17:22 | <moon> | Oh yeah. I know it x) |
| 17:22 | <TCW> | moon, you can use "su" ti become root... |
| 17:22 | <TCW> | to |
| 17:22 | <moon> | TCW : I use 'Su". |
| 17:23 | <moon> | But I retry |
| 17:23 | <TCW> | moon, lower case "s" please :) |
| 17:23 | <moon> | yeah, "su" |
| 17:23 | <TCW> | moon, and that does ask for the root password? |
| 17:23 | <TCW> | moon, and try "su -" |
| 17:23 | <TCW> | with a dash |
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| 17:24 | <TCW> | oh... wait... he could chroot in his debian install... would be a lot easier I think |
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| 17:25 | <moon> | I enter "su apt-get install gdm3". It returns apt-get it's not an account so I use "su moon apt-get install gdm3" and then I enter my passwd :/ |
| 17:25 | <moon> | But "The system can't find "apt-get" in the /usr/bin/apt-get directory" |
| 17:25 | <TCW> | moon, then you do use "su" wrong ;) |
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| 17:26 | <Renekton> | hi all |
| 17:26 | <TCW> | moon, just "su -" enter root password and then aptitude (or apt-get) install... |
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| 17:27 | <moon> | I just Ubuntu that's why I suck :/ |
| 17:27 | <TCW> | moon, I mean hit "enter" after you typed in "su -" :) |
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| 17:27 | <moon> | Okay I try it |
| 17:27 | <Renekton> | how have I edit fstab to mount on boot sshfs? |
| 17:27 | <moon> | Thanks you very very much :D |
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| 17:29 | <Class> | Renekton, http://wiki.debian.org/fstab |
| 17:29 | <debnov> | I tried: wget --postfile finstall.txt 'http://paste.debian.net' but all it returns is index.html saved |
| 17:30 | <dvs> | debnov: use pastebin.ca |
| 17:31 | <debnov> | I also pastebin.ca Internal server error |
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| 17:32 | <moon> | Back ! su - works ! But... OTHER PROBLEM ! :X |
| 17:32 | <moon> | The system don't find any package. |
| 17:32 | <moon> | irssi / gdm3 ... apt-get / aptitude works but no packages find |
| 17:33 | <devil> | moon: apt-get update might fix that |
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| 17:33 | <moon> | devil, i try it, Thank you. |
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| 17:37 | <Renekton> | Class: I know how to use fstab, but have problem to mount at boot |
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| 17:41 | <debnov> | I tried: wget --post-file finstall.txt 'http://paste.debian.net' but get no url returned |
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| 17:42 | <moon> | Back, apt-get update don't change anything. |
| 17:43 | <devil> | moon: then your sources.list must be bad |
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| 17:44 | <devil> | moon: you can pastebin it to paste.debian.net |
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| 17:44 | <moon> | devil, what should I do? |
| 17:44 | <moon> | devil, Okay, thanks. |
| 17:46 | <moon> | If I reinstall Ubuntu, it would be better? |
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| 17:47 | <moon> | Debian* |
| 17:47 | <debnov> | moon: but how to do this from shell |
| 17:47 | <moon> | Google trad x_x |
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| 17:47 | <moon> | The word "Debian" become "Ubuntu" :( |
| 17:48 | <debnov> | oh I should have addressed devil |
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| 17:48 | <moon> | So, If I re-install Debian, from a CD, it would be better? |
| 17:49 | <daemonkeeper> | You don't have to reinstall Linux all the time. |
| 17:49 | <daemonkeeper> | It might be easy to fix your problem |
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| 17:51 | <moon> | 3 people particlulier helped me I will not bother any longer with repeated problems so I was just wondering if reinstalling would not resolve these |
| 17:51 | <moon> | particularly* |
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| 17:52 | <daemonkeeper> | Perhaps it would, but your problem basically seems very easy to solve |
| 17:53 | <moon> | So can you help me? |
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| 17:53 | <daemonkeeper> | devil gave you a good hint. |
| 17:54 | <debnov> | I have no X, I tried: wget --post-file finstall.txt 'http://paste.debian.net' but get no url returned |
| 17:54 | <TCW> | moon, you are on ubuntu right now? |
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| 17:55 | <streuner> | debnov: maybe pastebinit should help |
| 17:55 | <daemonkeeper> | Yep |
| 17:55 | <moon> | I know, and I thank him. But I do not know how to use http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:55 | <daemonkeeper> | Same for you |
| 17:55 | <streuner> | !pastebinit |
| 17:55 | <dpkg> | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
| 17:55 | <moon> | TCW, Yep, on my ***** Xubuntu. |
| 17:56 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: Didn't you want to boot into Debian? |
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| 17:56 | <daemonkeeper> | We can't help you with Ubuntu after all |
| 17:56 | <TCW> | moon, so I suggest you "chroot" into your debian install... then you do not need to reboot all the time to get at least the basic stuff fixed |
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| 17:57 | <moon> | My problem is not related to Ubuntu, daemonkeeper. |
| 17:57 | <TCW> | moon, you know what "chroot" means? |
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| 17:57 | <moon> | No :( |
| 17:58 | <daemonkeeper> | Paste output of "mount" to a pastebin. |
| 17:58 | <debnov> | unfortunately I have unmet dependencies in apt and can't install anything and it is the output of apt that I want to pastebin |
| 17:59 | <TCW> | moon, open a terminal, become root (sudo su-) and then fdisk -l, paste the output and tell us what device the debian install is on |
| 17:59 | <daemonkeeper> | debnov: Paste apt-cache policy |
| 17:59 | <daemonkeeper> | TCW: + mount |
| 17:59 | <streuner> | debnov: install pastebinit and tell us the output of your /etc/apt-sources.list and what daemonkeeper told you, please. |
| 17:59 | <TCW> | daemonkeeper, if it is already mounted... otherwise I do not see the benefit of it |
| 18:00 | <daemonkeeper> | TCW: Well, you need to know where Ubuntu is installed ... |
| 18:00 | <streuner> | debnov: /etc/apt/sources.list, of course |
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| 18:00 | <TCW> | daemonkeeper, hmmm... good point, indeed :D |
| 18:00 | <codinGenesis> | anyone has idea to how to close an open proxy ?? |
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| 18:01 | <TCW> | debnov, you do not chat from the computer that has the issue? |
| 18:01 | <streuner> | if you are the owner of the machine? |
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| 18:03 | <streuner> | codinGenesis: so i guess you arent, you are able to mail and pray then... |
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| 18:03 | <TCW> | moon, still there? :) |
| 18:04 | <codinGenesis> | i can't get u streuner ?? |
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| 18:04 | <moon> | TCW, what Line do you want of the return of "fdisk -l" ? |
| 18:04 | <streuner> | codinGenesis: are you the owner of the open proxy? |
| 18:04 | <TCW> | moon, all of it would be ideal |
| 18:04 | <manolis> | Failed to fetch http://debian.corenetworks.net/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found |
| 18:04 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: Full output, also include output of "mount" |
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| 18:04 | <manolis> | why does this keep happening on every server I try? |
| 18:04 | <codinGenesis> | ya |
| 18:04 | <TCW> | moon, see what daemonkeeper said! :) |
| 18:05 | <codinGenesis> | streuner, ya.... i am the owner |
| 18:06 | <debnov> | thanks for the patinece guys but I cannot install pastebinit |
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| 18:06 | <daemonkeeper> | manolis: Your mirror might be outdated or out-of-sync. Choose another one. |
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| 18:07 | <streuner> | unfortunatly there are many open proxies in i-net, but if you are serious, just turn it off from i-net |
| 18:07 | <TCW> | debnov, http://paste.debian.net/paste.pl?show_template=clients |
| 18:07 | <manolis> | you mean the download server? I've tried about 10 of them, it doesn't seem to solve the problem. |
| 18:07 | <TCW> | debnov, on what box do you chat right now? |
| 18:07 | <codinGenesis> | how to turn off the open proxy from my computer....!!! |
| 18:07 | <daemonkeeper> | manolis: I mean the mirror. There are plenty http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full |
| 18:07 | <CcSsNET> | iptables |
| 18:08 | <CcSsNET> | setup a firewall |
| 18:08 | <r04r> | codinGenesis: Try explaining what you mean with that |
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| 18:08 | <TCW> | codinGenesis, I guess you need to tell us a bit more... who says there is an open proxy on your machine running? |
| 18:08 | <streuner> | true |
| 18:09 | <streuner> | codinGenesis: we need more details |
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| 18:09 | <codinGenesis> | r84r i want to connect to some other servers on xchat but they are not accepting me, an error comes that you are banned because of open proxy !! |
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| 18:09 | <daemonkeeper> | manolis: What do you have in your sources.list? Your URL looks wrong. |
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| 18:09 | <codinGenesis> | so for that i want to turn my proxy off.. |
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| 18:10 | <manolis> | it's a fresh installation actually. |
| 18:10 | <codinGenesis> | this is the reason why i am asking about turning my proxies off...!!! |
| 18:11 | <r04r> | codinGenesis: Contact them and ask them why they're detecting you as an open proxy. Either you're sending xchat through a proxy, or your IP is flagged as a proxy is some blacklists, or you have some of the common proxy ports open. Ask them. |
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| 18:11 | <moon> | daemonkeeper / TCW : How I can have "mount" ? |
| 18:11 | <daemonkeeper> | manolis: Could it be you actually meant http://debian.corenetworks.net/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/main/source/Sources.gz |
| 18:11 | <migueelb> | Hello everybody |
| 18:11 | <migueelb> | =) |
| 18:11 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: That's a command, you need to type it as root |
| 18:11 | <TCW> | moon, open a terminal (konsole / xterm / gnome-terminal / whatever) and type "mount" in it |
| 18:12 | <TCW> | daemonkeeper, mount is as user enough |
| 18:12 | <codinGenesis> | do people hack into your computers if you have your proxies open ?? |
| 18:12 | <moon> | Aaah ! Okay! |
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| 18:12 | <r04r> | codinGenesis: Do you even know what a proxy is? If not: Google. |
| 18:12 | <moon> | So : Mount = /dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro,commit=0) |
| 18:12 | <moon> | proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 18:12 | <moon> | none on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 18:12 | <moon> | fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw) |
| 18:12 | <moon> | none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw) |
| 18:12 | -!- | moon was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste] |
| 18:13 | <codinGenesis> | ok |
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| 18:13 | <migueelb> | moon can you tell me what's the channel of debian in spanish please :) |
| 18:13 | <streuner> | !es migueelb |
| 18:13 | <dpkg> | migueelb: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
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| 18:14 | <migueelb> | thanks :) |
| 18:14 | <TCW> | migueelb, interesting... you ask the ONE guy that was not around anymore ;) |
| 18:15 | <codinGenesis> | hey if i know someone's ip address than can i hack into it's computer ??? |
| 18:15 | <daemonkeeper> | TCW: True, but since fdisk needs root privileges as does chroot, he better starts becoming root sooner than later |
| 18:15 | <r04r> | codinGenesis: No. |
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| 18:16 | <codinGenesis> | r04r: :) ok |
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| 18:17 | <Guest5238> | bjr |
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| 18:18 | <TCW> | re moon ;) |
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| 18:19 | <moon> | TCW re ;D |
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| 18:20 | <moon> | Mount = http://paste.debian.net/120385/ |
| 18:21 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 475] by debhelper |
| 18:21 | <moon> | Fdisk -l = http://paste.debian.net/120386/ |
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| 18:21 | <manolis> | thanks, daemonkeeper |
| 18:21 | <TCW> | /dev/sda6 is your Debian install? |
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| 18:22 | <daemonkeeper> | Most likely it is |
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| 18:23 | <moon> | I think ... My u* is on the /dev/sda1 ... I think. |
| 18:24 | <moon> | Yes, it's the sda6 likely. |
| 18:24 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: Operan a terminal, make sure you are root, then do: mkdir /tmp/debian; mount /dev/sda6 /tmp/debian; chroot /tmp/debian |
| 18:24 | <daemonkeeper> | *open |
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| 18:24 | <TCW> | moon, I'd suggest mkdir /mnt/debian but what daemonkeeper says is ok too :) |
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| 18:26 | <moon> | daemonkeeper, the command don't works. |
| 18:26 | <daemonkeeper> | Which one? |
| 18:26 | <migueelb> | Excuse me does anyone know who is the person that gives the mails with the domain of debian? |
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| 18:27 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: This are three commands actually |
| 18:27 | <moon> | I know |
| 18:27 | <debnov> | apt-cache policy at http://pastebin.com/34FzEty2 |
| 18:27 | <moon> | It's an error from me. |
| 18:27 | <moon> | Sorry. |
| 18:27 | <TCW> | moon, which one did not work and what error message did you get? |
| 18:28 | <debnov> | oops that was sources.list |
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| 18:29 | <moon> | mkdir /tmp/debian -> The file exist |
| 18:29 | <daemonkeeper> | debnov: There is no testing-updates |
| 18:29 | <migueelb> | what do you wanna mount |
| 18:29 | <debnov> | apt-cache policy at http://pastebin.com/kjb7wGeC |
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| 18:29 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: That's ok, if you already tried to enter this command once |
| 18:29 | <migueelb> | If you wanna mount something first you've to know what device is |
| 18:29 | <migueelb> | fdisk -l |
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| 18:30 | <migueelb> | Then you create the directory |
| 18:30 | <migueelb> | For example |
| 18:30 | <migueelb> | mkdir /mnt/example |
| 18:30 | <debnov> | so should I delete those lines? |
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| 18:30 | <migueelb> | After that you do this |
| 18:30 | <migueelb> | mount -a /dev/sd"letra" /mnt/example |
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| 18:30 | <migueelb> | and that's all |
| 18:31 | <moon> | Migueelb -> Me? |
| 18:31 | <streuner> | debnov: they looks fine to me |
| 18:31 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: Where are you stuck now? If the directory exists, that's fine. Just go on. |
| 18:31 | <migueelb> | if the directory exists |
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| 18:32 | <migueelb> | then you go to the next step |
| 18:32 | <TCW> | moon, best concentrate on one guy for the moment :) |
| 18:32 | <migueelb> | I'm agree, sorry :) |
| 18:32 | <daemonkeeper> | streuner: There is no testing-updates, you are, however, right, that's not the problem |
| 18:32 | <moon> | Good Idea :D |
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| 18:33 | <TCW> | moon, so what was the error? What command did fail? What message did you get back? |
| 18:34 | <TCW> | http://paste.debian.net is still there if what you paste exceeds two lines ;) |
| 18:34 | <moon> | No error i'm just very very tired ^^. The directory is create now. |
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| 18:34 | <moon> | So, I "Just go on" |
| 18:34 | <streuner> | debnov: we still need the output of your sources.list with the error(s) you got (dist-upgrade) |
| 18:34 | <debnov> | apt-get upgrade http://pastebin.com/NB818ecv |
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| 18:35 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: Yep, go on with mount ... as I said above |
| 18:35 | <debnov> | is that my old sources.list before the dist-upgrade? |
| 18:35 | <TCW> | moon, so then, as root: chroot /tmp/debian |
| 18:35 | <streuner> | debnov: yeah, just show us your sources.list now |
| 18:35 | <TCW> | moon, err... sorry... stop! :) |
| 18:36 | <moon> | TCW What? :$ |
| 18:36 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: Nothing, TCW was just too fast |
| 18:36 | <TCW> | moon, we did forget: mount /dev/sda6 /tmp/debian if not already happend :) |
| 18:36 | <debnov> | http://pastebin.com/S4Cgnft |
| 18:36 | <debnov> | http://pastebin.com/S4Cgnfpt |
| 18:36 | <debnov> | sorry |
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| 18:37 | <moon> | Ok, I do mount /dev/sda6 /tmp/debian |
| 18:37 | <daemonkeeper> | debnov: What suggests you "apt-get -f install"? |
| 18:37 | <moon> | Then (i'm in root) I do chroot /tmp/debian, that's it? |
| 18:37 | <daemonkeeper> | Yep |
| 18:38 | <moon> | Okay |
| 18:38 | <debnov> | http://pastebin.com/nZvKHrSt |
| 18:38 | <daemonkeeper> | You should see no apparent output. |
| 18:38 | <moon> | Done. |
| 18:38 | <moon> | Yes |
| 18:38 | <TCW> | moon, so now you shpudl be in your debian installation... nice, isn't it? ;) |
| 18:38 | <TCW> | should even |
| 18:39 | <debnov> | apt-get -f install is at http://pastebin.com/nZvKHrSt |
| 18:39 | <TCW> | moon, so first. try apt-get (or aptitude) update, see if it works |
| 18:39 | <daemonkeeper> | debnov: Can you try apt-get upgrade? |
| 18:40 | <moon> | But i'm always in my u* terminal, that's it? |
| 18:40 | <moon> | Ok, I try. |
| 18:40 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: Where you entered the chroot ... command before |
| 18:40 | <TCW> | moon, yes... that is ok |
| 18:40 | <debnov> | apt-get upgrade is at http://pastebin.com/ppAEniCG |
| 18:40 | <TCW> | moon, if you want you can paste everything from that terminal so we can assure you all is ok :) |
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| 18:41 | <daemonkeeper> | debnov: wtf, apt-get update? |
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| 18:41 | <daemonkeeper> | TCW: Perhaps make him output lsb_release -a |
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| 18:42 | <debnov> | apt-get update is at http://pastebin.com/GMEhSat4 |
| 18:42 | <TCW> | daemonkeeper, true.... |
| 18:42 | <moon> | The terminal say I have to enter the CD of Debian Squeeze but It's done and after typing enter, the same thing append |
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| 18:42 | <TCW> | moon, daemonkeeper suggested (and I agree) the output in that chrooted-thingy of "lsb_release -a" would be worth a paste too |
| 18:43 | <sney> | !pastebin.com |
| 18:43 | <dpkg> | pastebin.com takes forever to load, makes us enter a captcha to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please either link the raw paste (pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pasteid) or use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 18:43 | <TCW> | monok... check if nano /etc/apt/sources.list works, as root |
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| 18:43 | <TCW> | moon, even, last line was for you :) |
| 18:43 | <daemonkeeper> | debnov: That looks good. can you try apt-get dist-upgrade now? |
| 18:43 | <sney> | debnov: and what happens if you do apt-get -f install, as it suggests? |
| 18:44 | <sney> | or that |
| 18:44 | <daemonkeeper> | sney: http://pastebin.com/nZvKHrSt |
| 18:44 | <debnov> | apt-get -f install is at http://pastebin.com/nZvKHrSt |
| 18:44 | <sney> | aptitude has better dependency resolution anyway. but |
| 18:44 | <sney> | try dist-upgrade as daemonkeeper suggested |
| 18:44 | <moon> | TCW : English a bit too complicated for me. I do "lsb_release -a" and I paste it? |
| 18:44 | <moon> | the output* |
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| 18:45 | <TCW> | moon, yes |
| 18:45 | <moon> | TCW, okay, thx :) |
| 18:45 | <debnov> | sorry guys I have no X and perl is not working so I cannot install paste-dn.pl |
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| 18:46 | <moon> | TCW : I can't type anything, because I answer to me "Enter the CD of Debian Squeeze". i close the terminal and re-login in root? |
| 18:46 | <moon> | it* |
| 18:47 | <debnov> | dist-upgrade says the same...unmet dependencies |
| 18:47 | <TCW> | moon, you can paste everything... but hit ctrl+c that will interrupt that... thing |
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| 18:48 | <moon> | TCW : lol, thx ! |
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| 18:49 | <moon> | Bash : lsb_release : Unknow command :/ |
| 18:49 | <daemonkeeper> | Well, we don't need it anymore :> |
| 18:49 | <TCW> | moon, and please, do NOT close this window until said so! See it as the holy grail :) |
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| 18:49 | <daemonkeeper> | Luckily you proofed you're in Debian |
| 18:49 | <daemonkeeper> | By your apt output |
| 18:49 | <TCW> | daemonkeeper, *lool* |
| 18:50 | <debnov> | apt-get dist-upgrade is at http://pastebin.com/5vXMwfrE |
| 18:50 | <moon> | XD |
| 18:50 | <TCW> | moon, but a cat /etc/debian_version would be nice anyway :) |
| 18:50 | <daemonkeeper> | TCW: Not particularly, Ubuntu also tells it would be Debian there ... |
| 18:51 | <moon> | --> 6.0.1 |
| 18:51 | <daemonkeeper> | Perfect |
| 18:51 | <TCW> | daI just want to make sure what release it is, so if all fails we can instruct him to download the right packages and move it to /tmp/debian/dmp/.... :) |
| 18:51 | <TCW> | daemonkeeper, even |
| 18:51 | <sney> | current ubuntu releases show wacky things like 'lenny/sid' in debian_version anyway, so it's still a clue |
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| 18:51 | <debnov> | for me...5.0.8 |
| 18:52 | <daemonkeeper> | Yes, that's exactly what I meant sney |
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| 18:53 | <TCW> | moon, so back to your sources.list... open another terminal, enter: gksu gedit /tmp/debian/etc/apt/sources.list, paste everything in that file |
| 18:53 | <moon> | TCW, Okay. |
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| 18:54 | <moon> | No output |
| 18:54 | <moon> | No things append |
| 18:55 | <daemonkeeper> | Did you open this file accidentally in your chroot? |
| 18:55 | <TCW> | moon, oops? Let me check.... |
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| 18:56 | <TCW> | moon, gks gedit should launch gedit with root privileges and open the specified file /tmp/debian/etc/apt/sources.list in it... |
| 18:56 | <TCW> | gksu even |
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| 18:57 | <moon> | I don't have Gedit ^ |
| 18:57 | <moon> | ^^ |
| 18:57 | <moon> | I try with just gksu |
| 18:57 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: Which editor and desktop environment are you using in Ubuntu? |
| 18:57 | <daemonkeeper> | If you are familiar with a text editor that's fine either |
| 18:58 | <daemonkeeper> | You can even do "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" in your chrooted shell |
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| 18:58 | <TCW> | moon, any texteditor works... just try to avoid abirword or oowriter if possible ;) |
| 18:58 | <moon> | Xfce, and MousePad. |
| 18:58 | <moon> | Okay :) |
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| 19:00 | <moon> | sources.list : http://paste.debian.net/120391/ |
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| 19:01 | <TCW> | moon, oh... you have all need already in... |
| 19:01 | <sney> | ah so you need a main mirror |
| 19:01 | <TCW> | oops... misread that line, sorry :) |
| 19:01 | <sney> | TCW: watch the #s |
| 19:02 | <sney> | !squeeze sources.list |
| 19:02 | <dpkg> | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 19:02 | <TCW> | sney, yeah yeah :) |
| 19:02 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: You can basically overwrite your sources.list by a new, clean one. |
| 19:02 | <daemonkeeper> | Follow sney's hint. |
| 19:02 | <daemonkeeper> | Or dpkg's even |
| 19:02 | <debnov> | any ideas how to fix my unmet dependencies |
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| 19:03 | <sney> | debnov: try with aptitude -f install this time |
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| 19:04 | <quant> | hello, can anyone using openbox tell me their usual way to launch applications? keyboard shortcuts or terminal or...? |
| 19:04 | <moon> | Sney, I type it where? |
| 19:04 | <sney> | same place as apt-get |
| 19:04 | <moon> | Okay |
| 19:05 | <sney> | moon: sorry, I got confused |
| 19:05 | <moon> | sney, ? |
| 19:05 | <sney> | moon: add the line from dpkg's hint to your sources.list file |
| 19:05 | <sney> | moon: it can be anywhere in the file so long as it has a line by itself, with no # |
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| 19:06 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: you can even remove everything you have in your sources.list by now. You have nothing important in it |
| 19:06 | <SynrG> | quant: either the terminal, menu from my panel (lxpanel) or icons on the panel. |
| 19:07 | <SynrG> | before lxpanel i used other panels. before that, i simply right-clicked the desktop to bring up the menu |
| 19:07 | <quant> | SynrG, hm... for example gui programs like iceweasel and gimp, I guess you usually run that through icons and terminal programs through terminal? I'm using tint2 (no icons) |
| 19:07 | <moon> | sney -> I don't understand the thing with dpkg :x |
| 19:08 | <debnov> | aptitude is upgrading 2 packages and removing 278... |
| 19:08 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: Don't worry, you have your sources.list file still open, right? |
| 19:08 | <moon> | Yes |
| 19:08 | <SynrG> | quant: not necessarily. frequently accessed things from the panel. less frequently accessed things i know the name of, from the terminal. and of course, terminal things from the terminal. |
| 19:08 | <daemonkeeper> | So append to that file (or even overwrite everything else) by "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" |
| 19:08 | <SynrG> | the menu for the rest |
| 19:08 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: Those are two lines. |
| 19:10 | <moon> | Deamonkeeper : Okay, thank you VERY VERY much <3 |
| 19:10 | <TCW> | :) |
| 19:10 | <moon> | And after ? :$ |
| 19:10 | <daemonkeeper> | Save the file, switch to your chroot again and do "apt-get update" |
| 19:10 | <babilen> | moon: I will now ease your life .... try: "bab<TAB>" in your IRC client .. (without the "") |
| 19:11 | <quant> | SynrG, ok, still getting into openbox style of doing things, so wanted some advice on common practices... I have tint2 and I'll set up feh for now... I could probably add some small icons too somewhere |
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| 19:11 | <SynrG> | quant: not sure if that is 'common' practice. you just asked for what random people do |
| 19:11 | <moon> | babilen, GREAT ! |
| 19:11 | <SynrG> | i'm probably not representative :) |
| 19:11 | <quant> | SynrG, I was hoping for a bigger sample of responses :) |
| 19:11 | <moon> | babilen, Thanks =D |
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| 19:13 | <babilen> | moon: No problem ... remember: task completion works for almost everything :) (you know, its the little things too) |
| 19:13 | <moon> | daemonkeeper, The output is a lot of errors. |
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| 19:13 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: You know my next suggestion I believe ... |
| 19:13 | <quant> | SynrG, do you set up many keyboard shortcuts for programs? |
| 19:13 | <moon> | Search by myself? |
| 19:13 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: No, paste the output :) |
| 19:13 | <moon> | xD |
| 19:14 | <moon> | (It's in french) |
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| 19:14 | <sney> | moon: you can do the command again with LANG=C in front, then paste |
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| 19:14 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: I guess we can decrypt it. If you like us, re-run the command with "LC_ALL=C" prependent |
| 19:14 | <daemonkeeper> | *prepended |
| 19:15 | <moon> | I like you, yes :P |
| 19:15 | <babilen> | heh |
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| 19:15 | <quant> | SynrG, also any other suggestions for a starting openbox user would be welcome |
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| 19:16 | <moon> | apt-get update : http://paste.debian.net/120392/ |
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| 19:16 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: Paste your /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:17 | <daemonkeeper> | Well, actually only the latter matters |
| 19:18 | <moon> | /etc/network/interfaces : No permition. /etc/resolv.conf : Don't exist |
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| 19:18 | <daemonkeeper> | In your chroot |
| 19:19 | <moon> | Yes |
| 19:19 | <TCW> | moon, as root? |
| 19:19 | <moon> | Yes ! :x |
| 19:19 | <daemonkeeper> | ehm |
| 19:19 | <daemonkeeper> | I doubt that :) |
| 19:19 | <TCW> | moon, if in doubt, paste all and everything you typed in that terminal window |
| 19:19 | <moon> | Want a screenshot? x) |
| 19:20 | <TCW> | including all that is in front of your command and after it |
| 19:20 | <TCW> | moon, the plain text is ebough ;) |
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| 19:20 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: Anyway: Do "echo -e 'nameserver 8.8.8.8\nnameserver 8.8.4.4' > /etc/resolv.conf" in your chroot |
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| 19:21 | <moon> | Done : http://paste.debian.net/120394/ |
| 19:21 | <TCW> | moon, err... :) |
| 19:21 | <daemonkeeper> | Well, you didn't prepend cat to the files :) |
| 19:21 | <TCW> | moon, you did try to EXECUTE those files |
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| 19:22 | <daemonkeeper> | You tried to execute them |
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| 19:22 | <SynrG> | quant: key shortcuts? no. i type quickly and accurately. that's not really necessary |
| 19:22 | <moon> | Oh :X |
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| 19:22 | <SynrG> | quant: as for beginner advice, hmm. haven't been one of those in nearly a decade :/ |
| 19:23 | <moon> | "echo -e 'nameserver 8.8.8.8\nnameserver 8.8.4.4' > /etc/resolv.conf" -> Done |
| 19:23 | <daemonkeeper> | (I'm still surprised _anyone_ can read this ciphertext like "bash: /etc/resolv.conf: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type") |
| 19:23 | <quant> | SynrG, on one of what? :) |
| 19:23 | <SynrG> | quant: check out the openbox site. some good stuff there |
| 19:23 | <SynrG> | quant: beginner with openbox |
| 19:23 | <SynrG> | i don't quite recall ... 2002? 2003? |
| 19:23 | <TCW> | moon, apt-get update again |
| 19:24 | <quant> | SynrG, I have no problems getting it configured etc., but I'm looking for some info on how people usually go about doing the usual stuff in it |
| 19:24 | <moon> | Don't do anything |
| 19:24 | <daemonkeeper> | What do you mean by "doesn't do anything"? |
| 19:24 | <TCW> | moon, pardon? paste |
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| 19:25 | <moon> | Pardon? :o |
| 19:25 | <moon> | Okay, I paste. |
| 19:25 | <TCW> | moon, I suggest, paste everything from now on! ;) |
| 19:25 | <moon> | Ok xD |
| 19:25 | <daemonkeeper> | (or give TCW a root shell :p) |
| 19:25 | <TCW> | nahh... not this night :) it is almost 1:30 am here :) |
| 19:25 | <SynrG> | quant: I do use two custom key shortcuts to facilitate disconnection/reconnection to new wireless networks as they zip by when i'm on public transit. |
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| 19:26 | <moon> | http://paste.debian.net/120395/ |
| 19:26 | <quant> | ok :) |
| 19:26 | <SynrG> | quant: aside from that, i haven't found any use for them |
| 19:26 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: Remove the last " |
| 19:26 | <daemonkeeper> | You accidentally included it in your paste |
| 19:26 | <daemonkeeper> | When copying me |
| 19:27 | <moon> | Okay |
| 19:27 | <moon> | But do the same thing with or without x) |
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| 19:27 | <daemonkeeper> | Hit ctrl+c before ... |
| 19:27 | <TCW> | yes, do it again, without the last " |
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| 19:28 | <TCW> | oh... and the ctrl+s may be essential too *lol* |
| 19:28 | <TCW> | ctrl+c even |
| 19:28 | <quant> | SynrG, any suggestion for an icon program to run alongside tint2? |
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| 19:28 | <moon> | Something charge, it's a good sign. |
| 19:29 | <moon> | Ok ! apt-get works ! |
| 19:29 | <moon> | =D |
| 19:29 | <SynrG> | quant: icon ... program? |
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| 19:29 | <quant> | SynrG, small dock or something :) |
| 19:29 | <SynrG> | ah |
| 19:30 | <SynrG> | you could do worse than lxpanel, or fbpanel which is the one it is based upon, i think |
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| 19:30 | <quant> | ok, cheers for all the advice |
| 19:30 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: Can you show us /etc/network/interfaces now, altogether with /etc/network/interfaces from your Ubuntu |
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| 19:30 | <newb> | Hello! I'm with Gnome3 on Debian, but at application list Gnome shows a lot of apps without icons, making the look ugly. I see this happens with all applications from "Debian" menu. How can I fix this? |
| 19:31 | <daemonkeeper> | newb: Not at all, you're using unofficial packages |
| 19:31 | <sney> | you are probably just missing an icon theme package |
| 19:32 | <TCW> | moon, great... now you can install all and everything you want... say "bbep" when all is done :) |
| 19:32 | <newb> | daemonkeeper: but debian menu aren't from gnome3 packages, there are some other package generating this menus I don't discovered yet |
| 19:32 | <TCW> | beep even (crap, this keyboard must suck like hell!) |
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| 19:33 | <moon> | daemonkeeper, auto lo iface lo inet loopback |
| 19:33 | <sney> | newb: you are probably just missing an icon theme package! search for 'icon-theme' |
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| 19:33 | <TCW> | newb, what release do you use? |
| 19:33 | <moon> | daemonkeeper, in two lines |
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| 19:33 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: So you miss a network setup. How do you connect to the Internet in Ubuntu? |
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| 19:34 | <moon> | Wi-fi, daemonkeeper. |
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| 19:34 | <TCW> | moon, network manager applet? |
| 19:34 | <daemonkeeper> | In network-manager or what? |
| 19:34 | <newb> | TCW, daemonkeeper, sney: debian menus generate entries for applications like "bc", who have no icons, and duplicate entries for applications like amsn, but with low resolution png icons. I'm with squeeze. |
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| 19:34 | <TCW> | newb, squeeze does not have gnome3 |
| 19:34 | <moon> | I don't know, the name is not the same in french. |
| 19:34 | <sney> | newb: I will say it one more time. icon theme package. |
| 19:34 | <streuner> | Who want support ubuntu here? |
| 19:34 | <TCW> | moon, say it in french then |
| 19:35 | <moon> | NOBODY. |
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| 19:35 | <TCW> | moon, I guess your wifi network is encrypted? |
| 19:35 | <moon> | Yes |
| 19:35 | <moon> | WEP |
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| 19:35 | <TCW> | moon, in a ubuntu-terminal (not the chrrot one) lspci, paste |
| 19:36 | <TCW> | moon, wep? gees! |
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| 19:36 | <newb> | sney: I'm installing all icon themes package now to test :D |
| 19:36 | <moon> | TCW, http://paste.debian.net/120396/ |
| 19:37 | <sney> | newb: if you don't get your icons back that way, then it *is* a gnome3 issue, and you'll have to take it up with the maintainer of whatever third party repository you used. |
| 19:37 | <newb> | TCW: ooops, relally sorry! Not squeeze, I've changed to testing! And gnome3 (only) from experimental |
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| 19:37 | <daemonkeeper> | Well, at this point I give up. I have no clue about network-manager stuff. You seem to be familiar with this cruft, so you may want to take over TCW. My suggestion would be: Make sure he has all firmware drivers and network-manager plugins, leave the chroot reboot into Debian and try to configure network. |
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| 19:37 | <newb> | streuner: Ubuntu: irc.freenode.org , channel #ubuntu |
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| 19:37 | <moon> | daemonkeeper, Anyway, Thank you so so so much for you help =D |
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| 19:38 | <debnov> | this dependency thing is really killing me |
| 19:38 | <moon> | You are courageous to support a noob like me :) |
| 19:38 | <sney> | !ipw2200 |
| 19:38 | <dpkg> | ipw2200 is a driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 (802.11bg) and 2915 (802.11a/bg) chipsets, included in mainline since Linux 2.6.15. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:39 | <sney> | moon: you need that ^ for your wireless. or you will anyway. |
| 19:39 | <TCW> | daemonkeeper, I a a lazy guy... I was about to suggest him to install xfce / gnome and see what wifi card he has (beecause of firmware issues) but... let's see :) |
| 19:39 | <debnov> | i tried aptitude -f install and after aptitude upgrade |
| 19:39 | <streuner> | debnov: its still testing, isnt it? ;-) |
| 19:39 | <debnov> | pastebinit is now broken |
| 19:39 | <TCW> | moon, that chip is fine |
| 19:39 | <streuner> | pastebinit is broken too? well, still testing... |
| 19:39 | <daemonkeeper> | TCW: sney already told us that firmware is required |
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| 19:40 | <debnov> | i expect my problems would be the same in any release |
| 19:40 | <TCW> | daemonkeeper, yes... I meant it is supported in debian... |
| 19:40 | <debnov> | my current problems anyway |
| 19:40 | <streuner> | debnov: not in stable |
| 19:40 | <daemonkeeper> | Sure, include non-free sources and install firmware-ipw2x00. |
| 19:40 | <newb> | sney, TCW: What package generates debian menus? Gnome uses 128x128 icons (I think), but the icons from debian menus continues (even with icons install) without or with 32x32 (or some little size) yet |
| 19:40 | <daemonkeeper> | (this holds for you as well moon) |
| 19:41 | <TCW> | moon, so... is there a traffic limit on your internet connection? How fast is it? |
| 19:41 | <TCW> | newb, no idea about gnome3 |
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| 19:41 | <newb> | sney, TCW: agree that this may be simply because the menu entries do not include icon sizes large enough? |
| 19:41 | <sney> | newb: 'menu' does. also, if you're using anything from experimental, you should expect breakage |
| 19:41 | <moon> | TCW, 54 Mb/s |
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| 19:42 | <moon> | TCW, no limit ... I think? :x |
| 19:42 | <sney> | moon: not your wifi, your uplink |
| 19:42 | <TCW> | moon, not your wifi link, the internet connection... |
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| 19:42 | <sney> | moon: www.speedtest.net would show |
| 19:42 | <daemonkeeper> | moon: Basically the same game again. Open your /etc/apt/sources.list, append "contrib non-free" to your line starting with "deb http://cdn.debian.net..." straight after main, do apt-get update then apt-get install firmware-ipw2x00. Afterwards you still have to configure network manager, but that's definitively out of my scope |
| 19:43 | <debnov> | so I changed my sources to stable, did an update and and an upgrade and I still get E: Unable to correct dependencies...# |
| 19:43 | <streuner> | too late |
| 19:43 | <streuner> | i guess |
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| 19:44 | <moon> | sney, http://www.speedtest.net/result/1348925406.png |
| 19:44 | <sney> | debnov: you may be able to purge the affected packages, finish your testing upgrade, and then try installing the software again |
| 19:44 | <streuner> | well, you are using testing, and you have to deal with that now, ohterwise you have to reinstall |
| 19:44 | <sney> | moon: ok, 12Mbit down. that's average |
| 19:45 | <moon> | daemonkeeper, Thank you.. |
| 19:45 | <TCW> | moon, fast enough, great :) |
| 19:46 | <TCW> | moon, so append contrib and non-free to sources list after main as daemonkeeper said, save the file (the right one... not that you accidently edit the ubuntu one) |
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| 19:46 | <TCW> | moon, after that... what do you want? kde, xfce, gnome? |
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| 19:47 | <moon> | Gnome, I want to try it :) |
| 19:47 | <TCW> | moon, ok... dpkg -l|grep gnome (in the chroot window) |
| 19:47 | <sney> | daemonkeeper: it's worth mentioning that since you gave him google dns, cdn.debian.net's locator may not work properly. so he may want to switch to ftp.fr |
| 19:48 | <daemonkeeper> | sney: True. |
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| 19:48 | <daemonkeeper> | sney: But really, that's a minor improvement, moon has greater problems right now :) |
| 19:48 | <TCW> | snorre, oh... right... a fast internet link may not help if the connection to the other side of the worls ducks :) |
| 19:48 | <TCW> | sucks |
| 19:49 | <moon> | apt-get no works with contrib non-free |
| 19:49 | <sney> | indeed. with google dns he'd probably "localize" to UCB or something. |
| 19:49 | <TCW> | moon, *paste* |
| 19:49 | <moon> | I re try in english, and I paste :) |
| 19:49 | <TCW> | I guess even a french error message is ok :) |
| 19:49 | <daemonkeeper> | sney: After all I'd still presume, he will get his provider DNS anyway, as soon as he succeeds to connect to his network afterwards, when dhcp pushes them |
| 19:50 | <moon> | http://paste.debian.net/120398/ |
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| 19:50 | <streuner> | TCW: you prefer french? |
| 19:50 | <sney> | moon: contrib and non-free have to go on the SAME LINE as your other entry |
| 19:50 | <TCW> | daemonkeeper, right... bt as far as I see it... we need to install a complete gnome session... that may be better with a more local mirror... we'll see :) |
| 19:50 | <sney> | moon: so it says http://cdn.debian.net/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 19:51 | <TCW> | moon, you did something wrong in sources.list... |
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| 19:51 | <moon> | ah, after ! |
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| 19:51 | <moon> | Okay. |
| 19:51 | <daemonkeeper> | Straight after "main" |
| 19:51 | <TCW> | "append "contrib non-free" to your line starting with "deb http://cdn.debian.net..." straight after main" |
| 19:51 | <sney> | TCW: language barrier |
| 19:52 | <moon> | Yes :/ |
| 19:52 | <TCW> | daemonkeeper, but you did construct a really complicated sentence there :p |
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| 19:52 | <daemonkeeper> | TCW: Sorry, my French is not existent : |
| 19:52 | <TCW> | sney, I know... I just wanted to bash daemonkeeper a bit *hides* :) |
| 19:52 | <moon> | :x |
| 19:52 | <TCW> | moon, fixed? |
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| 19:54 | <cthuluh> | moon: next time ask on a french speaking chan ;) |
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| 19:55 | <TCW> | cthuluh, but he did like the atmosphere here more :) |
| 19:56 | <streuner> | lol |
| 19:56 | <streuner> | athmosphere |
| 19:56 | <streuner> | TCW: you are joking, arent you? :-) |
| 19:56 | <nodisc> | yep, french chan is sleeping |
| 19:56 | <streuner> | sure |
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| 19:57 | <cthuluh> | "atmosphere, atmosphere... est ce que j'ai une gueule d'atmosphere ?" |
| 19:57 | <streuner> | its almost 2AM in france... |
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| 19:57 | <daemonkeeper> | Well, there is also Canada |
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| 19:57 | <streuner> | hehe, true :-) |
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| 19:57 | <cthuluh> | the chan being sleepy doesn't mean that there no one awake behind his keyboard |
| 19:58 | <TCW> | and half of africa does speak french too! :) |
| 19:58 | <newb> | sney, TCW: Remove of menu-xdg package remove the menu entries with that problem... What this can cause on my system? |
| 19:58 | <TCW> | newb, again... no idea about gnome3 stuff |
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| 19:58 | <daemonkeeper> | TCW: Having (almost) the same time zone though |
| 19:58 | <complex> | hi there im worndering can sum 1 use ssh and help me set up my flash player on debian plz ive been trying for hours and still no closr to resolving it it woud be greatly appreciated thanks |
| 19:59 | <nodisc> | (btw, still no idea about my backlight problem?...) |
| 19:59 | <TCW> | re moon_ ... status? |
| 19:59 | <cthuluh> | complex: hahaha. sure, just let me in :> |
| 19:59 | <moon_> | Re. |
| 19:59 | <moon_> | Status of ? |
| 19:59 | <complex> | i mean teamviwer not ssh sorry |
| 19:59 | <newb> | TCW: But menu-xdg it's from default debian packages :( |
| 19:59 | <complex> | i dont know how to set ssh up yet |
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| 20:00 | <TCW> | moon_, you need help, right? :) |
| 20:00 | <cthuluh> | complex: seriously, installing flashplayer is a matter of copying a file in the proper dir. and the wiki has instructions about how to do this |
| 20:00 | <TCW> | newb, I don't mind nevertheless! |
| 20:00 | <moon_> | TCW, Yes ;/ |
| 20:00 | <daemonkeeper> | !adobe flash |
| 20:00 | <dpkg> | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>. |
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| 20:00 | <nodisc> | complex: maybe you did it already, but aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree has always worked for me... |
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| 20:01 | <TCW> | moonso... we are here to help, so we need to know where are you right now, as you may have misssed stuff we said (you had a diconnect?) |
| 20:01 | <TCW> | moon_, even |
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| 20:01 | <moon_> | TCW, :/ |
| 20:01 | <TCW> | moon_, ? |
| 20:01 | <cthuluh> | moon_: and, as I said, there's a french speaking channel |
| 20:02 | <george_> | anyone know a vncviewer where the the numpad on the right of the keyboard actually works? |
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| 20:02 | <nodisc> | george_, i think remmina does the trick, let me check |
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| 20:03 | <moon_> | TCW : I lost my internet connection every 1 minute, now :o |
| 20:03 | <george_> | nodisc, I hate how almost all of them don't support the numpad for some reason |
| 20:03 | <TCW> | moon_, that's bad... very very bad... |
| 20:03 | <nodisc> | moon_ what's your problem, maybe i can help you on #debian-fr |
| 20:03 | <george_> | nodisc, I just installed and removed like 3 vnc viewers :/ |
| 20:04 | <streuner> | nodisc: we try to help him about 2-3 hours... |
| 20:04 | <cthuluh> | george_: maybe the problem is with the vnc server then? :P |
| 20:04 | <TCW> | moon_, but I suggest we try it nevertheless |
| 20:04 | <nodisc> | george_ if you're running gnome, i suggest you try installing: remmina remmina-gnome remmina-plugin-vnc, it works well |
| 20:04 | <complex> | flash is installed appaerntly 0 upgraded none installed but video just loads a white screen ? |
| 20:04 | <george_> | cthuluh, it's a vnc server running on my android phone |
| 20:04 | <streuner> | nodisc: and his english isnt that bad... |
| 20:05 | <TCW> | moon, ok... dpkg -l|grep gnome (in the chroot window) <- moon_, that one is still missing |
| 20:05 | <nodisc> | complex, what browser are you using? |
| 20:05 | <complex> | nodisc no candidate version found for flashplugin nonfree :( |
| 20:05 | <complex> | i have chromium epiphany and iceweasel |
| 20:06 | <complex> | im using epiphany |
| 20:06 | <nodisc> | complex ok, open a terminal and type: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:06 | <complex> | yep |
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| 20:06 | <complex> | done no disc |
| 20:07 | <nodisc> | complex, do you have a line there like "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main" ? |
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| 20:07 | <daemonkeeper> | nodisc: You need contrib (at least) for flash |
| 20:07 | <daemonkeeper> | i.e. Adobe Flash |
| 20:08 | <complex> | will paste in paste bin |
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| 20:08 | <george_> | nodisc, just tried two vnc servers, neither work, I think it's the clients :/ |
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| 20:08 | <complex> | http://pastebin.com/793kBmZp < source list |
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| 20:09 | <moon_> | dpkg -l|grep gnome don't do anything. |
| 20:09 | <dpkg> | i haven't a clue, moon_ |
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| 20:10 | <daemonkeeper> | complex: Follow dpkg's instructions |
| 20:10 | <TCW> | moon_, ok... so... aptitiude install gnome |
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| 20:10 | <daemonkeeper> | dpkg: tell complex about adobe flash |
| 20:10 | <TCW> | moon_, this will be a massive download... but we'll manage :) |
| 20:10 | <nodisc> | complex, you should add a line like this "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" |
| 20:11 | <nodisc> | and run aptitude update; aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:11 | <TCW> | moon_, have look at the speed... how fast is it? |
| 20:11 | <TCW> | moon_, the download... |
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| 20:11 | <nodisc> | complex, btw your sources.list looks strange, did you edit it manually? |
| 20:11 | <complex> | nope |
| 20:12 | <complex> | i was trying to install flash from help guides and they said type this and that |
| 20:12 | <complex> | but didnt axx source list |
| 20:13 | <moon_> | TCW, It works ;) |
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| 20:13 | <TCW> | moon_, how fast? |
| 20:13 | <moon_> | TCW, 10% |
| 20:13 | <streuner> | finally |
| 20:13 | <moon_> | 970kb/s |
| 20:13 | <streuner> | bah |
| 20:13 | <TCW> | moon_, ok, fast enough for 11mbit |
| 20:13 | <streuner> | dpkg, congratulate moon |
| 20:13 | <dpkg> | Woohoo moon, you did it! |
| 20:14 | <nodisc> | complex, you should also remove that "dipconsultants" line (what is it for?) |
| 20:14 | <daemonkeeper> | I wasn't following closely recently, but did you instruct him to get the firmware as well? |
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| 20:14 | <cthuluh> | he's on ubuntu |
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| 20:14 | <cthuluh> | (in a debian chroot) |
| 20:14 | <complex> | ../install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz' saved now just tar -zxvf ? |
| 20:14 | <TCW> | moon_, if it stops because the internet connection is gone... just ctrl+c and re-run aptitude install gnome... |
| 20:15 | <moon_> | 433kb/s |
| 20:15 | <TCW> | it will start where it left |
| 20:15 | <nodisc> | complex, no, it should install itself, wait |
| 20:15 | <cthuluh> | and leave an empty dir in /tmp... |
| 20:15 | <daemonkeeper> | cthuluh: I know. Hence I mentioned that. Internet will stop working as soon as he actually reboots into Debian then. |
| 20:15 | <moon_> | TCW, Okayk thx :) |
| 20:15 | <TCW> | moon_, if the connection drops more... we may want to change the debian mirror... |
| 20:15 | <cthuluh> | daemonkeeper: he said he will get a network cable tomorrow ;) |
| 20:16 | <daemonkeeper> | Oh, ok |
| 20:16 | <complex> | nope it just went toe what i said above and stopped loads of lines and number went across screen though like unrealircd motd sort of thing |
| 20:16 | <TCW> | daemonkeeper, the firmware will follow... |
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| 20:16 | <complex> | 5300K .......... .......... ........ 100% 1.81M=3.1s |
| 20:17 | <complex> | ./install_flash etc after that |
| 20:17 | <complex> | and it stopped |
| 20:17 | <nodisc> | complex, can you pastebin the output of the last command, please? |
| 20:17 | <nodisc> | entirely |
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| 20:18 | <abrotman> | sounds like it installed to me |
| 20:18 | <complex> | http://pastebin.com/QNM8kQLw |
| 20:18 | <moon_> | TCW, 40 % :⁾ |
| 20:18 | <moon_> | :)* |
| 20:19 | <TCW> | moon_, still between 400 and 900kb/s? |
| 20:19 | <cthuluh> | tell us when it's 50 ;) |
| 20:19 | <streuner> | lol |
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| 20:19 | <moon_> | TCW, 390 now but ... oh 605 now. |
| 20:20 | <moon_> | TCW, On average yes |
| 20:20 | <TCW> | moon_, I guess we leave it as it is then... |
| 20:21 | <nodisc> | complex, does the terminal show a prompt at the end now? (root@server:/home/john#) If so, i suggest you restart your browser and try flash again now. |
| 20:21 | <moon_> | TCW, Yes ... :) |
| 20:21 | <complex> | yes |
| 20:21 | <complex> | ok will do |
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| 20:21 | <moon_> | TCW, Anyway I thank you SO MUCH for your awesome help ! :D |
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| 20:21 | <TCW> | np |
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| 20:22 | <TCW> | I guess there is nothing we like more than helping ubuntu users getting debian ;) |
| 20:22 | <streuner> | yeah, we like changelings much :-P |
| 20:23 | <complex> | ty nodisc much appreciated working like a treat now :) gr8 value to have flash back moved from windows to debian only just getting used to new things but debian to stay now :) |
| 20:23 | <moon_> | ^_^ |
| 20:23 | <TCW> | moon_, btw. how did oyu install this debian? |
| 20:24 | <TCW> | you even |
| 20:24 | <streuner> | TCW: if they know whats going on... |
| 20:24 | <moon_> | TCW, With a CD :P |
| 20:24 | <moon_> | No* |
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| 20:24 | <moon_> | Because... |
| 20:24 | <TCW> | moon_, what kind of CD? And... what did you choose to install there? |
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| 20:25 | <nodisc> | complex, good to know. check the debian wiki for lots of info. Hope we don't have to install flash anymore one day... |
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| 20:25 | <daemonkeeper> | nodisc: You understood the DFSG? |
| 20:26 | <complex> | yeh would be good if was preinstalled with sys i think |
| 20:26 | <TCW> | complex, NACK! |
| 20:26 | <daemonkeeper> | Flash will _never_ be preinstalled |
| 20:26 | <complex> | asking isp for statc ip tomoz and can get my webserver up and running :) |
| 20:26 | <daemonkeeper> | Flash is non-free cruft |
| 20:27 | <streuner> | Flash is a nightmare |
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| 20:27 | <moon_> | Classic CD. And ... I love the Debian philosophy ... I read many things who talk about Debian ... And when I see the Canonical politic... I say STOP. I compare many distributions and I think Debian is the better choice ... With a very good community (it has been proven today) ... The incredible stability, too. |
| 20:27 | <nodisc> | complex, daemonkeeper, i did not think of it that way. I hope one day HTML5 gnash or lightspark render it useless... |
| 20:27 | <daemonkeeper> | That too, streuner |
| 20:27 | <complex> | lol gnash i goo :) i agree there |
| 20:27 | <streuner> | yes |
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| 20:27 | <complex> | html5 works wiki on youtube :) |
| 20:27 | <complex> | wikid* |
| 20:27 | <complex> | thats flash based |
| 20:27 | <moon_> | And many other things. |
| 20:28 | <daemonkeeper> | No need for Flash anymore, Silverlight is the future! *scnr* |
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| 20:28 | <streuner> | yeah, hmtl5 would be a solution |
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| 20:28 | <george_> | so does anyone know any vnc viewers that work with the numpad in android |
| 20:28 | <complex> | ryt im closing down irc for a bit so i can focus on what im doing spk soon |
| 20:28 | <nodisc> | george_ did you try remmina as i suggested ? |
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| 20:29 | <george_> | nodisc, yeah, it comes as default in debian, doesn't work |
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| 20:30 | <streuner> | daemonkeeper: hehe |
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| 20:31 | <george_> | nodisc, I remember using a program in crunchbang (based on debian) that worked, but don't remember what the name was |
| 20:33 | <nodisc> | truly, my only non-free packages are flashplugin-nonfree, rar/unrar, w64codecs and ttf-mscorefonts-installer. I think they are all sh** , but working without them would be a pain. |
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| 20:35 | <TCW> | moon_, how far is it? |
| 20:35 | <qaz|2> | hi to all |
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| 20:36 | <moon_> | TCW, Hmmm.... Since 1 month I look things about that. but the decision of install ... 3 days ? :p |
| 20:37 | <moon_> | TCW, And you? Did you always use Debian? |
| 20:37 | <TCW> | moon_, err... I mean how far is the download :) |
| 20:37 | <qaz|2> | anybody have problem with nfs4 for file 1gb+? |
| 20:38 | <moon_> | TCW, Oh, I see... The download is finished, then it's a very great list of dpkg |
| 20:38 | <TCW> | moon_, and no... I did even use Windows and DOS before :) |
| 20:38 | <moon_> | TCW, settings of packages, now. |
| 20:39 | <moon_> | TCW, Like so much people ;D |
| 20:39 | <cthuluh> | moon_: trying to forget both ubuntu users and french people? :P |
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| 20:39 | <cthuluh> | there's #debian-offtopic, btw, if you want to chat |
| 20:40 | <TCW> | moon_, if that finishes without errors, next thing would be: aptitude firmware-ipw2x00 |
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| 20:40 | <TCW> | moon_, if that finishes without errors, next thing would be: aptitude install firmware-ipw2x00 |
| 20:40 | <moon_> | French people no ... But Ubuntu users, why not (a) |
| 20:40 | <moon_> | TCW, Okay. |
| 20:41 | <TCW> | and yes... we could have done both at the same time.... but I did forget :) |
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| 20:41 | <qaz|2> | mmmhhhh |
| 20:41 | <qaz|2> | samba work fine ....mmhhh why nfs4 damage teh file...mmhhhh |
| 20:41 | <jhutchins_lt> | !fr |
| 20:41 | <dpkg> | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 20:42 | <moon_> | !es |
| 20:42 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 20:42 | <streuner> | jhutchins_lt: no need, moon is able to speak english very well, IMO |
| 20:42 | <TCW> | moon_, so... aptitude install gnome firmware-ipw2x00 would have worked too |
| 20:42 | <jhutchins_lt> | streuner: I agree, better than some natives. |
| 20:42 | <moon_> | TCW, Finish. |
| 20:43 | <streuner> | tzz |
| 20:43 | <jhutchins_lt> | moon_: No offence meant. |
| 20:43 | <moon_> | TCW, I use what syntaxt? |
| 20:43 | <TCW> | moon_, pardon? |
| 20:43 | <moon_> | TCW, I use aptitude install gnome firmware-ipw2x00 or aptitude install firmware-ipw2x00 |
| 20:44 | <TCW> | moon_, ahh... the last one for sure |
| 20:44 | <cthuluh> | well, since you already have installed gnome.... |
| 20:44 | <qaz|2> | I have a little problem with nfs4 : if i try to copy a file 1gb+ from the server to the client and viceversa the file is corrupted (md5sum showing different checksum) , but if I use smb all is ok... |
| 20:44 | <TCW> | moon_, butthe first one would do no harm either |
| 20:44 | <moon_> | I come to understand |
| 20:44 | <qaz|2> | sombody can give me a hand? |
| 20:45 | <cthuluh> | qaz|2: I don't use nfsv4, but I guess some people on irc.freenode.net/#nfs do |
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| 20:45 | <qaz|2> | tnx |
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| 20:45 | <qaz|2> | I'll try |
| 20:46 | <moon_> | TCW, Installation done :) |
| 20:46 | <TCW> | qaz|2, try compile a kernel on both machines (no kidding) I guess faulty hardware... |
| 20:46 | <debnov> | you would think aptitude would tell you that you don't have enough space for archives before it starts to download... |
| 20:46 | <TCW> | moon_, dpkg -l|grep linux-image |
| 20:46 | <qaz|2> | samba working fine |
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| 20:46 | <qaz|2> | all md5 are ok and the file is ok |
| 20:47 | <qaz|2> | nfs4 working fine until 1gb after that the md5 is diff |
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| 20:47 | <cthuluh> | qaz|2: a hardware problem adds randomness that can make some apps work and others not work |
| 20:48 | <cthuluh> | (such as memory locations, had disk locations, etc) |
| 20:48 | <moon_> | TCW, http://paste.debian.net/120400/ |
| 20:48 | <qaz|2> | maybe.... you right |
| 20:48 | <qaz|2> | mmmhhhh |
| 20:48 | <nodisc> | qaz|2 are you moving the file to/from the same drives in nfs and samba ? |
| 20:48 | <qaz|2> | yes |
| 20:48 | <qaz|2> | same file |
| 20:48 | <qaz|2> | samba ok |
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| 20:49 | <nodisc> | i mean, is your samba shared folder on the same drive as your nfs share ? |
| 20:49 | <qaz|2> | yes |
| 20:49 | <TCW> | moon_, just to make sure: dpkg -l|grep gdm |
| 20:49 | <moon_> | TCW, I paste it ;) |
| 20:49 | <qaz|2> | the folder are the same |
| 20:49 | <moon_> | TCW, Look at my precedent message |
| 20:50 | <qaz|2> | I have samba for my girlfriend pc |
| 20:50 | <qaz|2> | the server is a debian sid with samba and nfs4 |
| 20:50 | <TCW> | moon_, I did ask something different :) |
| 20:50 | <cthuluh> | qaz|2: btw, nothing in the logs? |
| 20:50 | <moon_> | TCW, Oh, sorry. But it's very late ^^ |
| 20:50 | <qaz|2> | no errors |
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| 20:51 | <qaz|2> | but the file is diff |
| 20:51 | <moon_> | TCW, (The hour) |
| 20:51 | <qaz|2> | md5sum confirm that nad if for example |
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| 20:51 | <TCW> | moon_, same timezone here I guess :) |
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| 20:51 | <qaz|2> | I transfer a iso with debian and try on virtualbox |
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| 20:52 | <moon_> | TCW, http://paste.debian.net/120401/ |
| 20:52 | <qaz|2> | virtualbox say he can't read the file or md5sum is different |
| 20:52 | <qaz|2> | if i copy with samba (command line or from dolphin) is all ok |
| 20:52 | <qaz|2> | file ok |
| 20:52 | <qaz|2> | md5sum ok |
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| 20:53 | <qaz|2> | my export in the server |
| 20:53 | <TCW> | moon_, I guess... that's it then... almost :) |
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| 20:53 | <TCW> | moon_, as this debian install was so extremely basic... did you create a user account apart from root? |
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| 20:54 | <moon_> | TCW, During the installation I create the root account and an other |
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| 20:55 | <TCW> | moon_, ok... in the chroor window type "exit" hit enter, umount /tmp/debian, reboot |
| 20:56 | <TCW> | chroot even |
| 20:56 | <qaz|2> | i set idmapd.com with same user and group (nobody nogroup) , same domain |
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| 20:56 | <moon_> | TCW, See you :D |
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| 20:56 | <TCW> | moon_, I hope so :) |
| 20:56 | <qaz|2> | and nsswitch |
| 20:57 | <qaz|2> | if I doing a ls on the server the file are name1:name1 |
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| 20:58 | <qaz|2> | if i doing on the cleint on the nfs folder they are name2:name2 |
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| 20:58 | <qaz|2> | (name one = user on server name2 = user on the client) |
| 20:58 | <qaz|2> | so is ok |
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| 20:58 | <qaz|2> | could be my fstab? |
| 20:59 | <qaz|2> | 10.0.0.2:/ /mnt/nfs nfs4 _netdev,auto 0 0 |
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| 21:00 | <cthuluh> | _netdev? |
| 21:00 | <cthuluh> | (just curious about this setting) |
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| 21:01 | <TCW> | cthuluh, used to "mark" network filesystems like nfs and iscsi etc. |
| 21:01 | <daemonkeeper> | _netdev prevents mounting a file system before the network is configured at boot time |
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| 21:01 | <qaz|2> | nodisc: yes |
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| 21:01 | <cthuluh> | oh, never met that before |
| 21:01 | <cthuluh> | thanks |
| 21:01 | <qaz|2> | ctaylor: sorry heheh |
| 21:01 | <daemonkeeper> | See mount(8). Unfortunately some boot scripts ignore this. |
| 21:02 | <qaz|2> | ok but i need to set anything else like the old nfs3? |
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| 21:02 | <qaz|2> | the problem are file 1gb+ |
| 21:02 | <TCW> | daemonkeeper, does one come to your mind right now? |
| 21:02 | <qaz|2> | if i copy a 999 mb file is all ok |
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| 21:04 | <cthuluh> | qaz|2: what if you use nfs3? |
| 21:04 | <TCW> | moon, re... did we miss something? :) |
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| 21:04 | <moon> | TCW, Nothing :D |
| 21:05 | <TCW> | moon, si debian is up and running? |
| 21:05 | <TCW> | so |
| 21:05 | <moon> | TCW, I thank you all I can with my little heart :D. Yes, all run good (internet connection too.) |
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| 21:05 | <moon> | TCW, So :p |
| 21:05 | <cthuluh> | !beer moon |
| 21:05 | * | dpkg deftly decants a fine Stone Arrogant Bastard for moon |
| 21:06 | <TCW> | moon, great... and in the next days consider using WPA instead of WEP :) |
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| 21:07 | <moon> | TCW, I would think =D |
| 21:07 | <TCW> | WEP is almost as bad as no encryption at all |
| 21:07 | <moon> | LoL |
| 21:07 | <daemonkeeper> | s/almost// |
| 21:07 | <qaz|2> | daemonkeeper: 10 min for find the passwd |
| 21:07 | <TCW> | daemonkeeper, no... almost :p |
| 21:08 | <daemonkeeper> | qaz|2: Depending on the actualy traffic, even seconds. |
| 21:08 | <daemonkeeper> | *actual |
| 21:08 | <qaz|2> | daemonkeeper: true |
| 21:08 | <TCW> | but longer than none! :p |
| 21:08 | <qaz|2> | the WEP 128 isn't bad but...still |
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| 21:08 | <moon> | I'm tired. Thanks all for your help... TCW you're a great guy. (daemonkeeper thanks too) |
| 21:09 | <moon> | Good night and see you soon ... Maybe :P |
| 21:09 | <TCW> | moon, np... tomoroow delete ubuntu and all is ok :) |
| 21:09 | <qaz|2> | enjoy ur debian |
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| 21:11 | <moon> | I think mu *b*nt* not going to stay long. |
| 21:11 | <moon> | my* |
| 21:11 | <TCW> | moon, keep me posted :) |
| 21:11 | <moon> | Debian sounds great |
| 21:11 | <moon> | Np ! |
| 21:12 | <TCW> | Debian sounds, reads and even smells great! ;) |
| 21:12 | <moon> | :rofl: |
| 21:12 | <moon> | Bye .. :D |
| 21:12 | <TCW> | cya :) |
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| 21:22 | <qaz|2> | mmmmhhh |
| 21:22 | <qaz|2> | sync |
| 21:22 | <qaz|2> | let's try with async |
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| 22:06 | <dpkg> | <Martian67> An IPv4 address space walks into a bar: "A strong CIDR please. I'm exhausted." |
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| 22:17 | <denise56> | sup |
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| 22:53 | <mordoczero> | hola |
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| 23:08 | <Darko> | Hello friends, what is an easy to upgrade the Squeeze kernel? |
| 23:08 | <Darko> | amd64 |
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| 23:10 | <sney> | Darko: upgrade to what? |
| 23:10 | <sney> | Darko: if you want a newer kernel, use backports.debian.org |
| 23:10 | <Darko> | I'd like the latest stable 2.6.39.1 |
| 23:10 | <Darko> | or something pretty close to that. |
| 23:10 | <sney> | backports has 2.6.38. |
| 23:11 | <Darko> | That'll be fine. |
| 23:11 | <sney> | new hardware or something? |
| 23:11 | <Darko> | Do I just add it to my repos? |
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| 23:11 | <akerl> | Darko: For what reason do you want a newer kernel? |
| 23:11 | <sney> | if you go to http://backports.debian.org/ in your browser, it has instructions |
| 23:11 | <Darko> | Built this pc only a month ago. |
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| 23:11 | <Darko> | Working on it now. |
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| 23:12 | <Darko> | I get a deb command not found error. |
| 23:12 | <sney> | no that's what you put in your sources.list |
| 23:13 | <sney> | it's a text file... |
| 23:13 | <Darko> | Haha, I'm still learning linux. |
| 23:13 | <Darko> | I know how to edit that though. |
| 23:13 | <akerl> | Darko: again, why do you want a newer kernel? |
| 23:13 | <sney> | so what feature of 2.6.38 do you want that isn't in 2.6.32? just curious |
| 23:14 | <Darko> | Well I just want the latest kernel really, hopefully it'll have some better drivers. |
| 23:14 | <akerl> | Darko: Unless you have a specific reason, I'd recommend not using backports |
| 23:14 | <sney> | are you having a hardware support issue? |
| 23:15 | <Darko> | No. |
| 23:15 | <Darko> | Could this make my system less stable? |
| 23:15 | <sney> | it could, yes |
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| 23:15 | <sney> | it probably won't - 2.6.38 is pretty solid - but every case is different |
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| 23:16 | <Darko> | Well ok then. |
| 23:16 | <Darko> | I'm still new to linux. |
| 23:16 | <Darko> | Is the free nvidia driver pretty good? |
| 23:17 | <sney> | it's fine for 2d. 3d support is basically nonexistent right now |
| 23:17 | <Darko> | I assume HD flash videos would work fine with the free drivers then. Thats all I really need. |
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| 23:17 | <sney> | yes, flash and html5 will work fine |
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| 23:18 | <Darko> | So I have a question then, I need to get my drivers configured. I think all I need to do is edit xorg.conf -- Does that sound right? |
| 23:18 | <Darko> | I was thinking about just using the nv drivers. |
| 23:18 | <sney> | you don't need to do anything. in squeeze and up it's all autodetected |
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| 23:19 | <Darko> | That's strange...I can't change to my native resolution. |
| 23:20 | <Darko> | I'm using the "monitor preferences" btw. |
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| 23:22 | <sney> | Darko: what gpu is it? |
| 23:22 | <Darko> | 560 Ti |
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| 23:23 | <sney> | oh, brand new |
| 23:24 | <Darko> | Yes sir. |
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| 23:24 | <Darko> | Sney: Probably why I need to either configure or install different my drivers. |
| 23:25 | <sney> | Darko: can you paste the contents of the text file /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net/ ? |
| 23:25 | <Darko> | sney: One second |
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| 23:27 | <Darko> | sney: here you go http://paste.debian.net/120406/ |
| 23:28 | <sney> | great, it's using vesa |
| 23:29 | <Darko> | sney: hmmm, so what's that mean for me? |
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| 23:29 | <Darko> | sney: should i swtich to nv or nouveau perhaps? |
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| 23:29 | <sney> | it means you were on to something with the kernel update, but you may need a newer xorg as well. I'm not sure. do some googling about using your gpu with the 'nouveau' driver |
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| 23:30 | <sney> | it should have used nouveau automatically but it didn't recognize your gpu |
| 23:30 | <sney> | I have to go for about 30 minutes but I'll help again if you're still here when I get back |
| 23:30 | <Darko> | sney: I probably will be. Thanks for you help! I appreciate it. |
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| 23:49 | <medicalwei> | Anyone have huawei em770 3g card? i'd like to report a bug that i don't know how to test. |
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| 23:54 | <Darko> | y |
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| 23:58 | <Glaivelen> | I just installed Squeeze on my Power Mac 7500, and I'm stuck on trying to copy the kernel to my Mac OS hard drive... the mount command won't let me mount /dev/sda10 to the mnt folder. |
| 23:58 | <Glaivelen> | Anyone care to help a newbie? D: |
| 23:59 | <Darko> | I'm a newbie as well, but did you sudo? |
| 23:59 | <Glaivelen> | I'm in the shell of the Install CD... |
| 23:59 | <Glaivelen> | I think I'm root by default? O.o |
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