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00:29<Jonnyb>i don't know how to download things in debian
00:29<akerl>I can haz downloads?
00:31<Jonnyb>for example i download something its in .deb
00:31<Jonnyb>what do i do then
00:32<akerl>Jonnyb: That depends. What do you want to do with it?
00:32<diederik>Jonnyb: you shouldn't download .deb files directly (normally), you use your preferred package manager (aptitude/apt-get/synaptics/etc)
00:33<Jonnyb>ok, does the package manager have a GUI
00:33<Jonnyb>because i can't find it anywhere
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00:34<clocker>I've got six packages related to and including mplayer that are being held back from a dist-upgrade. How do I fix that?
00:34<diederik>there are some frontend with a gui, yes. The ones I mentioned are frontends
00:34<diederik>my guess is that you probably want to use synaptics
00:35<Jonnyb>how can i use it?
00:35<Jonnyb>do i need to download something?
00:35<Jonnyb>well for example, I want to get flash, i don't know what type to get... says YUM, .tar.gz, .rpg
00:36<diederik>forget about downloading stuff from the internet and installing that. This is not windows.
00:36<diederik>open up a terminal and become root
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00:37<diederik>then do "aptitude update" (without quotes) and after that "aptitude install synaptic"
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00:38<diederik>if aptitude has installed synaptic, you should have an entry for it in your menu
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00:52<Jonnyb>sorry for the delay
00:53<Jonnyb>haha i like "this is not windows"
00:57<Jonnyb>ok when u say forget about downloading things from the internet
00:57<Jonnyb>if i want to download a program, i search for it in package manager?
00:58<diederik>and when you want to install it, do that through the package manager
00:58<Jonnyb>alright cool
00:58<diederik>the package manager will then download the package from a debian archive and install it
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01:00<george_>how can I get it so when I move windows, it doesn't show a wireframe for the move?
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01:01<george_>everyone idle?
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01:05<sney>george_: it depends on your window manager.
01:05<sney>george_: but it's usually in the settings
01:05<george_>sney, i actually just got it, I turned off the reduced_resources in gconf-editor
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01:06<george_>sney, but I hate the minimize and maximize wirefram animation, anyway to turn that off without turning off the window moving?
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01:06<sney>if there is, it's in the options menu somewhere.
01:07<sney>if you wind up using compiz, that has different minimize/maximize/restore animations as well.
01:08<thenewb>hello, somebody pointed me to a website earlier where i noticed a strange thing with the html used, i was wondering about detail's on assembly language for beginners - but this website here: has this bar at the top of the web content (using epiphany browser), that when i scroll down the page, replicate's itself, when i scroll back, so a page of
01:09<thenewb>is that like a error in the epiphany browser, or what is it?
01:09<Jonnyb>i cannot find the package for adobe flash... for youtube
01:10<thenewb>i can't explain it, i figured i'd let you know about it incase you could
01:10<george_>sney, i might install compiz but I have onboard graphics so not sure how well it'll play with it :/
01:11<Wyzard>thenewb: I've seen that too -- it's an epiphany bug
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01:11<Wyzard>george_: should be fine unless it's an old GPU
01:11<thenewb>cool, at least i'm not imagining things and somebody understands me :)
01:11<Wyzard>Anything that can handle Windows Aero is more than enough for Compiz
01:12<Wyzard>thenewb: Epiphany used to be a pretty good browser, but it became rather buggy when they switched it from being based on Gecko to being based on Webkit
01:13<Wyzard>It hasn't really gotten back to its former level of stability
01:13<Wyzard>though I haven't tried the GNOME 3 version
01:14<george_>Wyzard, not sure if it'll even run Aero, that's the thing, it's an Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Card, guess I'll just have to try
01:16<Wyzard>hmm, I think that's either in the i810 or i915 family
01:16<Wyzard>which can't do Aero, but my old laptop's i915 handled Metacity's compositor pretty well, and would probably have been OK with Compiz (which works similarly)
01:16<notr00t>if anyone is around, i'm looking for some help on a full-disk-encryption setup i'm designing to counter the current trend of give-up-your-encryption-key-or-else laws. i've figured out how to separate partition tables and encrypted partition headers from an encrypted drive so that the whole drive appears to have been wiped from end to end, but i'm having some trouble figuring out how to boot from a live cd and chainload the encrypted OS
01:16<notr00t> after mounting the encrypted partitions. i'm also asking in #debian-live but seems nobody's around
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01:18<Wyzard>notr00t: That'll involve writing some very custom startup scripts
01:19<Wyzard>but take a look at the pivot_root command
01:19<notr00t>that's where i've been looking
01:19<Wyzard>That's how you switch to a new root filesystem so you can unmount the old one; initrds use it after mounting the hard drive, and the script on your CD will need to do the same
01:20<george_>Wyzard, Debian doesn't use metacity as the window manager? What's it use?
01:20<notr00t>i can mount the encrypted drives easy enough, i'm just having trouble figuring out how to start the kernel in the encrypted drive and use all the decrypted stuff with it
01:20<Wyzard>george_: Metacity is the default GNOME window manager
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01:21<george_>Wyzard, ohh alright, well then yeah I'm using gnome, crappy minimize effect
01:21<Wyzard>notr00t: You'll be loading the kernel from the CD, not from the hard drive
01:21<Wyzard>george_: Metacity's compositor is kinda hidden, only way to turn it on is /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager in gconf, but it doesn't change the minimize animations
01:21<Wyzard>just gives you soft shadows on windows, and thumbnails in alt-tab
01:22<Wyzard>and of course, no redraw flicker when you move windows around
01:22<notr00t>my objective to first boot the live CD kernel and have a fully functioning live OS, then if i choose to i can decrypt the other system and pivot over to that
01:23<george_>Wyzard, do you remember the minimize effect? It feels less advanced than something from Windows 95
01:23<Wyzard>notr00t: Keep in mind that you can't unmount the CD, even after pivoting off it, if any running processes have open files on it
01:23<Wyzard>so you'll ideally want to do it very early in the boot process, before any daemons have started
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01:23<Wyzard>Otherwise you'll have to take care of stopping them
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01:24<notr00t>that could be handled in the startup scripts for the OS contained within the encrypted partitions, yes?
01:24<Wyzard>The OS on the encrypted drive shouldn't be responsible for managing the daemons that were started by the liveCD environment
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01:24<Wyzard>but it'd be possible, if you wanted to do it that way
01:25<blanketed>i have a quick question
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01:25<Wyzard>george_: I've been using Metacity for years, so yes, I "remember" it :-)
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01:25<blanketed>does debian run all my hardware in a vm on win7b etter or in a vm on gentoo
01:25<notr00t>the aim is to have the live CD contain no evidence that it can be used to boot the encrypted OS
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01:26<george_>Wyzard, ohh, thought u switched to something else, that's why I said "remember"
01:26<notr00t>if i have to type in some commands in a terminal once the live OS is up and running to get at the encrypted OS that's ok
01:26<blanketed>i am worried that windows 8 will make everything completely undesirable. i rather switch to another host if you can give me a reason to before win8 comes around and tells me its boss
01:26<Wyzard>blanketed: It shouldn't matter what the host OS is if the virtualization software is the same (e.g. VMware)
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01:27<blanketed>a linux os in a guest vm on a windows host is just as safe as if it iwas the guest yes? if i am thinking in terms of only using the guest
01:27<Wyzard>blanketed: a) Windows 8 is nowhere near released yet; b) You can keep running 7 long after 8 is released
01:27<george_>Wyzard, seems like compositing_manager is turned off for metacity, but turning it on does nothing
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01:27<george_>Wyzard, never mind I see it now ;)
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01:28<Wyzard>blanketed: What virtualization software did you have in mind?
01:28<blanketed>Wyzard, the problem is as technology goes on, people are more easily coerced into believing things are possible . which i think they are. i think the FBI isn't joking when they state they have something specifically good at sniffing our computers that use win7
01:28<blanketed>wyzard i use vbox
01:28<notr00t>blanketed, probably a good assumption given microsoft's size and connections with governments around the world
01:28<Wyzard>Debian running in vbox under Windows should be the same as Debian running in vbox under Gentoo
01:29<Wyzard>The whole point is that the VM is isolated from the host
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01:29<blanketed>so if my windows 7 was updated with CIA sniff sniff that pretends to be a regular update, then that actually reaches in and snatched by debian activities (after i entered passphrase to get into encrypteD)
01:30<Wyzard>but I don't see how FBI tools for Win7 forensics are a major deciding factor in what host OS you choose for your Debian VM
01:30<blanketed>i know i am slightly changing the question from stability to privacy/security
01:30<Wyzard>OK, so you have an encrypted VM and you're concerned about it being compromised if the host is compromised
01:30<george_>blanketed, yeah it's called, damn forgot the name, I have it on my comp somewhere
01:30<blanketed>with gentoo debian would be more secure
01:31<blanketed>on the basis i am paranoid enough to not make rookie mistakes on the host
01:31<blanketed>and they wouldn't force things down the pipe that would be so .. hateful
01:31<Wyzard>You could also skip the VM and just run Debian
01:31<Wyzard>or use Debian as the host and run another Debian within it
01:32<Wyzard>Your question is really "what OS can I trust not to be hacked by the government", which really has nothing to do with the VM guest at all
01:32<blanketed>i would. but it has to be a solid decision. no backing out
01:32<notr00t>here's a good thought: consider all microsoft software compromised
01:32<blanketed>well i know that decision in part will be my own. i will wipe my drives with department of defense, then russian gost, and the uk if have to
01:33<notr00t>if not by the government then by others
01:33<george_>does anyone know what window manager Ubuntu uses by default?
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01:34<Wyzard>george_: Compiz when you turn on full desktop effects, Metacity otherwise
01:34<blanketed>if you haven't noticed the "US president seems really dedicated to the cyber security. which looks more like an excuse to spy on people no matter where they go than trace back to a real attacker
01:34<blanketed>i will go reinstall. thanks for your assistance
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01:35<notr00t>blanketed, sure he's going to spy on everyone. because the professionals can't be caught and they need to catch some amateurs to make it look like they're doing something useful
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01:36<blanketed>i can respect some things he has done. like give people in other countries a way to communicate outside for human rights issues
01:36<george_>Wyzard, ohh alright, cause I remember it had an option to select how extensive the effects are
01:37<notr00t>did you see the story about the "Internet in a suitcase" things the State Department is doing?
01:37<notr00t>simple but effing cool
01:37<notr00t>if he'd just stop bankrupting our great great great grandchildren things might be OK
01:37<blanketed>Internet Inception. yo man i followed a detour into a mini internet
01:38<blanketed>i think if we can just switch to fusion energy. the energy of the sun right there. that means we can fuel the robots that fuel the process to make more robots.
01:39<blanketed>no one would complain there isn't enough power. there is, and the robots building our wheat grains
01:39<thenewb>with all the trouble people have from compromised citizen's computer's (ip's don't resolve to hostname's), i wonder why the dns system isn't build more to the effect of requiring that any international cross-border communication's are resolvable to host-name's and not on a blacklist before allowing a connection to proceed, which would remove alot of the cross-border cybercrime's that happen, if hosts being compromised weren't being compromised by unregister
01:39<thenewb>the internet could be alot more modularized, and less centralized to reduce the amount of bullshit that happens on it
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01:40<Wyzard>Having working reverse DNS doesn't make an IP any more trustworthy
01:41<notr00t>there's a LOT of work to be done still on securing the net
01:41<notr00t>but it can be done
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01:41<Wyzard>Lots of residential ISPs have working reverse DNS for all their customers, including the botnet zombie ones
01:41<thenewb>yeah, but knowing which site's a foreign ip would be likely to connect to would reduce the amount of unresolved connection's, like if a place has a website, or is a gateway for a internet game (that has a web address), and accepts foreign connection's, then those connection's aren't directly connecting to any host besides the webserver, which is resolved
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01:42<Wyzard>You can't assume that a "foreign" IP should only connect to "foreign" hosts
01:42<thenewb>i don't know about how it all work's, but it seems that something like that, access permissions sort of, could decrease the amount of non-registered web-hosts from being compromised by direct attacks
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01:43<Wyzard>I think you're assuming that "non-registered" means something that it doesn't actually mean
01:43<thenewb>you know, if somebody has no reason to be connected to from the outside, and they themselves didn't establish a connection to do that, and didn't tell their gateway to the internet that they want to allow it explicitly, then why should anybody be trying to connect to them?
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01:44<Wyzard>If someone has a server that shouldn't be accessed from outside their network, they configure their firewall to not allow connections from outside the network
01:44<Wyzard>Existence of DNS records has nothing to do with it
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01:50<thenewb>so everybody on the isp's local subnet has a host.subnet.isp.tld address, but the isp itself could require that if somebody in that subnet wants to accept incoming connection's from the network outside of it, they have to ask the isp for that - then a little old granny who just wants to check her email doesn't have to worry about the million windows 95 exploits that her dinosaur pc has available to the external internet, because she didn't (maybe by voice)
01:50<george_>Wyzard, using firewall or a list to only allow certain ip address (internal ones)?
01:52<notr00t>then ISP's become censors
01:53<notr00t>you have the great firewall of America
01:53<Wyzard>Modern OSes can block incoming connections on their own -- you don't need the ISP to block incoming connections for you
01:53<notr00t>or worse, it turns the internet into a toll road
01:53<thenewb>but it's not really restrictive, it's like a default deny policy that costs nothing to enable, like it's enabled by default now - why would there ever be a pricetag on a fix that used to be the default?
01:53<notr00t>where you have a local ISP and you can only accept local connections unless you pay more
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01:53<Wyzard>If the ISP starts blocking incoming connections by default, that cuts off all sorts of valuable things, like Skype and bittorrent
01:54<Wyzard>It's a good and important thing that hosts can, in general, freely connect to each other
01:54<Wyzard>Throwing up broad barriers at the ISP level would be a bad thing
01:55<notr00t>yea the last thing we need is the cable companies charging people based on routing metrics
01:55<notr00t>thank God they never came up with that idea long ago or the net would look totally different today
01:55<thenewb>it does have its downside's, but maybe workarounds could be developed for thing's like that, if somebody's using bit-torrent they could make an exception or their program could request it to be made from the isp temporarily - in a perfect world people would respect one another more, this isn't a perfect world
01:56<Wyzard>or the ISP can just do its job of routing packets where they're supposed to go, instead of assuming the customer doesn't want them
01:56<Wyzard>The customer's computer can run its own firewall; modern desktop OSes do it by default
01:56<notr00t>ISP's should be dumb pipes and nothing more
01:57<notr00t>mass adoption of IPv6 should ease things a little bit because it's much more likely for people to have static IP's
01:57<Wyzard>It's one thing if you call the ISP and ask them to block some traffic for you
01:57<Wyzard>but the ISP should not just *assume* that you don't really want the traffic that's addressed to you
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01:58<notr00t>with most people having static IP's it'll be easier to isolate infected computers
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02:06<george_>you should be able to protect your own network and computers
02:07<george_>we already have routers nowadays blocking almost all traffic
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02:07<george_>what more is needed
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02:14<george_>mistermcfisher, hi
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02:27<Jonny>i have a linux question
02:28<notr00t>debian is linux :)
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02:28<Quite>debian is windows!
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02:29<Jonny>why when i write a program i must type ./ before it to execute it
02:29<notr00t>the . indicates the current directory
02:29<Quite>it's usually not in the PATH
02:30<notr00t>and unless the current directory is in your $PATH variable, typing just the name of the program doesn't tell the system where to find your program
02:30<Quite>there you go
02:30<Wyzard>and putting the current directory in $PATH is discouraged because it's a security risk
02:30<Jonny>so even if the working directory has the program, u must still type ./
02:31<Quite>not advisable
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02:31<Jonny>i see
02:31<Quite>it's unlike windows in that regard
02:31<Wyzard>because someone could put a program with a common name like "ls" in someplace like /tmp that you might have as your working directory, so you end up running a program you didn't intend to
02:31<Jonny>im a windows person for the most part, trying to get aquanted with linux
02:31<Quite>i get you ;)
02:31<notr00t>if you're in /home/username/directory, typing ./program is equivalent to typing /home/username/directory/program
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02:32<Jonny>i gotcha
02:32<Jonny>cool thanks
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02:35<Jonny>is it allowed to alter a linux distro, such as debian, make it ur "own OS" and then go and sell it?
02:35<Quite>don't you dare!
02:35<Quite>i'm not sure
02:35<Jonny>lol, and ur the one who said debian is windows
02:36<Quite>yeah, i use winblows too
02:36<Quite>with the risk of getting flogged
02:36<dspace>Jonny: People base distros off other distros all the time.
02:37<dspace>Jonny: Linux Mint is almost entirely Ubuntu without the branding. You actually get your packages straight from the Ubuntu repos
02:37<Jonny>i c
02:37<Quite>and ubuntu is debian unstable
02:37<Quite>kind of
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02:38<dspace>Right, but Ubuntu and Debian packages aren't necessarily compatible, whereas Mint literally gets its packages straight from Ubuntu
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02:38<Quite>very true
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02:38<notr00t>i think so as long as you comply with the GPL
02:38<dudz_>debian kinda is windows, with its advertisements atleaste
02:38<notr00t>read the license though to make sure
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02:38<Jonny>if i wanted to learn how to write OS's, i suppose it would be good to learn how linux works first right?
02:39<dspace>Also, I was interested in Debian's trademark, and apparently several companies sell Debian branded gear and Debian doesn't get any revenues (and doesn't seem to care), although not every distro is that free with its trademark
02:39<Quite>apple's os x has unix in the bottom
02:39<Quite>it's a good foundation anyway
02:39<dudz_>moneys for losers anyway
02:40<Quite>hm dudz....
02:40<Quite>i feel that ubuntu is more commercial
02:40<dudz_>i'm waiting till zietgiest
02:40<Jonny>so if i wrote my own program i wanted to use commonly, what do i do to put it in the PATH... so i can run it without ./
02:41<Quite>just put it in some directory that's included in the PATH environment variable
02:41<Jonny>but im a noob and i dont' know how to do that
02:41<dspace>You could put it in /usr/bin :)
02:41<george_>Jonny, put it in the /bin/
02:41<george_>or that
02:42<dspace>Or even /usr/local/bin !
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02:42<george_>dspace, any difference between them?
02:42<Jonny>so any bin folder
02:42<Quite>/usr/local/bin is more appropriate
02:42<Quite>for homebrew stuff
02:42<dspace>george_: just convention, I suppose
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02:43<Quite>debian has /home/<user>/bin included by default
02:43<Quite>in the path
02:43<dspace>george_: /bin is more for core system stuff, like /bin/bash. /usr/bin is for other packages, like firefox. and /usr/local/bin is for stuff the user installs that's not from the repos
02:43<Quite>so you can make a 'bin' directory in your home
02:43<Quite>and put it there
02:43<george_>dspace, and it seems even in your own directory you can make one lol
02:44<Jonny>what are some reasons people choose debian over other linux distros
02:44<Quite>stability, i guess
02:44<george_>Jonny, stability, one of the oldest distros, most packages of any other distro, and for the old, old packages and slow updates (jk about last two, kinda) :P
02:44<Quite>it works great on this somewhat exotic laptop for one
02:45<dudz_>debians user friendly
02:45<george_>well ubuntu's more user friendly
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02:45<Quite>i'm not in a hurry, usually
02:45<Quite><- old skool
02:45<george_>but debian boots up fast, much faster than ubuntu
02:45<Quite>i have been running freebsd, but it's not keeping up very well nowadays
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02:46<Quite>sorry for the off-topic
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02:46<dudz_>pcbsd Quite
02:46<Quite>haven't heard of it
02:46<dudz_>thats rather good, comes with kde
02:46<Quite>will check it out perhaps
02:46<Quite>thanks for the pointer
02:47<george_>there's too many distros nowadays, some need to die out
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02:47<dudz_>the new ones :)
02:47<Quite>i haven't been using debian until just recently, but it's just marvellous
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02:47<Quite>especially the package system
02:47<dudz_>i use debian for servers, though recently i installed debian with kde as my desktop
02:48<dspace>Most distros are just simple remixes of the core distros, like Debian, Fedora, Slackware, and Arch
02:48<george_>dudz_, lol, we only really need debian, fedora, centos, ubuntu (and the variants), and openSuse
02:48<Quite>i use the default gnome at the moment, no major issues
02:48<george_>and Arch
02:48<george_>death to Linux Mint
02:48<dudz_>defora/centos un-needed
02:48<Quite>true, dspace
02:48<dspace>They take the same packages but configure different defaults and a different theme and call it a distro
02:48<dudz_>*fedora/centos are not needed even
02:48<dspace>Debian actually creates its own packages. It's one of the "core" or "root" distros, for lack of a better term
02:49<bartm>"real" distro :)
02:49<george_>dudz_, yeah I guess, but we need one distro still using yum lol plus centOS is used on like 30% of linux servers nowadays
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02:50<Quite>i have my fears that gnome 3 will be an uber-bloated beast
02:50<Quite>gnome 2 is pretty decent
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02:51<dspace>People say, oh there are so many distros, I'm so confused. There really aren't that many options. Realistically you either use a DEB or RPM based package manager and Gnome, KDE or Xfce. Some combination of those covers 95% of distros
02:51<george_>Quite, as long as it works with slightly older hardware (which I have a feeling it won't)
02:51<Quite>yes :|
02:51<dspace>Everything else is superficial, like default apps and themes
02:51<Quite>it seems to be pretty demanding
02:51<george_>dspace, well you can get any DE on any distro almost
02:51<Quite>although my hardware is up-to-date
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02:52<george_>the only thing I wish was better on debian is the updating
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02:52<george_>it should be more up to date
02:52<george_>in terms of software
02:52<george_>without having to enable unstable repos
02:52<Quite>i just installed the 2.6.38 kernel from the backports... works swell
02:52<Quite>but yes, i agree with you there
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02:53<dudz_>i disagree, thats why ubuntu exists, its a pain to have to upgrade
02:53<Quite>regarding more up to date, that's probably what makes debian so stable
02:53<george_>I mean openoffice, cmon, where's my libreoffice, not even available in repos, while ubuntu comes with it default
02:53<Quite>the fact that it doesn't get that many updates that often
02:54<dudz_>openoffice is just java
02:54<dudz_>you don't put java on a machine you want stable
02:54<george_>I've never really experienced instability, what would it be, program locking up or crashing, I had file-roller crash yesterday on debian, so is it unstable?
02:54<george_>dudz_, well it's default in debian
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02:55<dudz_>wasn't for me, i had to manually install it
02:55<Quite>ubuntu's unity isn't very mature yet
02:55<Quite>sometimes the mouse is not responding
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02:55<Quite>but that's a sidetrack
02:56<Quite>i actually prefer the cleaner metacity stuff in debian's default gnome, with the added bonus that it actually works all the time
02:56<george_>dudz_, what version are you using?
02:56<dudz_>6.0.1a-amd64 with whatever kde version is current to stable
02:56<valdyn>judd: versions libreoffice
02:56<judd>Package libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.3.2-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:3.3.2-2; sid: 1:3.3.3-1
02:56<george_>dudz_, maybe cause you installed kde, i have gnome
02:57<dspace>george_: Right, you can change to any DE and change the apps and themes quite easily, so the differences between distros really boils down to two things: 1) the number and quality of the packages available in the repos, 2) the community and support
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02:57<george_>valdyn, what's that mean?
02:57<valdyn>george_: it means that libreoffice is available for squeeze
02:57<george_>dspace, and that's the very fact why there should be less repos, less confusion
02:58<valdyn>george_: you totally dont get debian repos
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02:58<valdyn>george_: but you already have an opinion about them
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02:58<Quite>opinions rule
02:58<george_>valdyn, nothing in repos
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02:59<george_>valdyn, i meant less distros, my mistake
02:59<dspace>For beginning users, Ubuntu's PPA system makes adding additional signed repos pretty user friendly. That's a good thing about that distro. If you want some package not available in the normal repo, or a newer version, chancer are among the 8000 active PPAs that someone has it, and it's really easy to add a PPA
02:59<Quite>there are far too many weird distros nowadays
02:59<george_>lol less repos does that even make sense, i meant distros lol
02:59<Quite>i'm sticking with what i know
02:59<Quite>i'm old school
02:59<dspace>Of course, the trade off is Unity
03:00<george_>dspace, you can use gnome if you want
03:00<dspace>You still lose icons in the notification area because Ubuntu is hellbent on transforming it to app indicators
03:00<george_>what I like about Ubuntu is on my debian computer a usb wireless adapter didn't work, but on an ubuntu computer, it worked
03:00<dspace>Probably a more recent kernel version
03:00<george_>dspace, probably
03:01<Quite>is it just me, or is the mouse buttons not working at times in unity?
03:01<Quite>are, even
03:01<Quite>maybe it's my hardware
03:01<george_>dspace, but does every distro have a modified kernel or they all use default kernel?
03:01<Quite>anyway, i went back to debian
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03:01<george_>valdyn, sudo apt-cache search libreoffice nor sudo apt-cache search libre-office finds anything
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03:02<valdyn>george_: you need to add the backports repository
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03:02<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>.
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03:02<dspace>Quite: I don't know. I tried Unity for a few days and gave up. Can't stand it.
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03:03<Quite>well, the button isse was what made me give up
03:03<Quite>otherwise it was pretty ok
03:03<george_>what exactly are the backports repo?
03:03<dspace>Backports repo has kernel 2.6.38, which will support more modern hardware
03:03<dspace>Current stable has 2.6.32, released in December 2009
03:03<george_>dspace, is it like unstable versions or something
03:03<valdyn>george_: debian stable release *cannot* change over time, that is why theres backports for people who want newer software
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03:04<george_>damn, way behind
03:04<dspace>Technically, backports should be more stable than unstable
03:04<Quite>backports are newer versions made to fit in the current stable without messing too much with the rest
03:04<george_>valdyn, isn't it like debian sid?
03:04<Quite>as far as i understand it
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03:04<dspace>My Toshiba laptop has a wireless card that's unsupported (out of the box at least) by kernel 2.6.32 (in Debian stable) but it is supported in 2.6.35 or later.
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03:05<dspace>So in situations like that, you'd want to try a newer kernel
03:05<Quite>that's what i did
03:05<Quite>and it works great
03:05<george_>dspace, alright and do all distros use default kernel or they customize it?
03:05<Quite>i got 2.6.38 from the backports
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03:06<dspace>george_: Heh, complicated question. A distro like Arch will give you a more vanilla, unmodified kernel. Debian has been known for (and um, criticized for) it's larger "value-added" modifications. :)
03:06<george_>from what I see ubuntu and debian are same thing except for ubuntu comes looking nicer and now with unity and different apps installed and more up to date
03:07<dspace>george_: That may make it more secure, or more stable, but also more customized, and potentially introducing problems, like the ssh key problem in 2007.
03:07<Quite>it's also using a "testing"-like setup... more current software, but also not as stable as deiban stable
03:07<Quite>debian even
03:07<george_>dspace, alright, interesting, so a device maybe still not work with one distro and work with another if certain drivers were added to one kernel and not the other
03:08<george_>this stable word is thrown around a lot, basically it comes down to programs crashing right?
03:08<valdyn>george_: no
03:08<Quite>ubuntu is probably the most user-friendly distro, but debian seems to be the most stable
03:08<Quite>at least among the ones i've tried lately
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03:09<Quite>that's why i'm sticking with it
03:09<dspace>george_: Well, the kernel is what interfaces with your hardware. So, *generally* its ability to interact with modern hardware depends on the version, irrespective of the distro. But there are exceptions. I know especially for Ubuntu 10.04, since it was a Long Term Support release, they added a bunch of hardware support from 2.6.33
03:09<dspace>so yeah, distro can change hardware support, but *generally* it's more a function of the kernel version than the distro
03:09<Quite>my kernel update made it recognize the sound chip in this laptop so...
03:10<Quite>there's one example
03:10<george_>ohh alright
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03:10<george_>I mean I've used Linux on and off for past 2 years, now using it for over 2 months, hoping never to go back to Windows
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03:11<Quite>i use windows in parallel
03:11<george_>but there's still a lot I don't know
03:11<Quite>i have no problems with that
03:11<Quite>i need windows for some software that isn't available for unix
03:11<george_>now if only I could get debian to print :/
03:12<Quite>i haven't tried my printer with debian yet.... it's connected to the windows box
03:12<Quite>i use linux mostly for programming
03:12<dspace>george_: So you asked whether distros customize it, and then about whether that affects hardware support. I think the bulk of customization is for compatibility and stability with their packages / product, and security, rather than adding additional drivers. Also, long term support is mostly security updates. So to get wider hardware support, the best option is a newer kernel version, no matter the distro
03:13<dspace>george_: Hope that answers your question better
03:13<george_>dspace, yes, it does, thanks :)
03:14<notr00t>Quite, think you could program a linux RAMlocker tool?
03:14<Quite>yes, in a wink
03:14<Digital_Nerd>what is the difference between cups and lpr printer drivers
03:14<george_>now this backport option seems amazing, am I understanding it correctly that it can install single unstable packages without updating the others?
03:14<dspace>Of course, the latest kernel versions have a nasty power consumption bug, so be wary of running 2.6.38 or 2.6.39 on a laptop battery :)
03:14<Quite>i'm mostly using perl nowadays
03:14<notr00t>something that freezes the system and encrypts the RAM, but leaves a decryption tool resident in RAM so taht you can type in a passphrase and unlock the system?
03:14<Quite>C only if i have to
03:14<Quite>better ask someone else ;)
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03:15<Quite>dspace, you can't have it all, can you
03:15<Quite>i run on AC power all the time, though
03:15<dspace>Me too. But I'm also using 2.6.35
03:16<Quite>oh ok
03:16<notr00t>haha Quite I was just checking out this forensic thing that lets people seize a computer that's plugged in without it ever losing power
03:16<notr00t>effing cool
03:16<dspace>Just a heads up. Kernels 2.6.38-9 can reduce laptop battery life by 20-30%
03:16<notr00t>speaking of AC power
03:16<Quite>ah yes
03:17<Quite>it's not in the backports yet i guess
03:17<notr00t>one of those "why didn't I think of that" ideas that's gonna make the guy a fortune
03:17<Quite>if it ever will
03:17<thenewb>good job on adding the fan control's to the newer debian's, no longer are the nvidia driver's needed - those fan control program's are difficult to figure out to the non-electrical engineer
03:17<george_>so I was right about backports only installing one unstable program without updating all my programs to unstable?
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03:18<dspace>george_: For updating single packages, you can go beyond the backports repo. You can add testing or unstable, then pin all packages to stable except the ones you want. Look into pinning :)
03:18<Quite>uname -a says 2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 here
03:18<Quite>does that mean it's 2.6.38-2?
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03:19<george_>dspace, lol pin every single package except one or two, seems like a lot of work lol and what's difference then between backports testing and unstable?
03:19<dspace>george_: I did that on my desktop. just pin stable to 990, unstable to -10, so it never downloads from unstable except manually, then install -t unstable <package>
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03:20<dingdong>hola hola
03:20<george_>dspace, hmm, i'll look into it :)
03:20<george_>so debian doesn't come with gnotify as default right?
03:20<dingdong>both panels screwed up
03:21<dingdong>was trying to align right side,, now its not there anymore..
03:21<dingdong>how can i reset ?
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03:22<george_>dingdong, logout and back in
03:22<dspace>george_: so the difference between backports and what I do is, 1) only manually selected packages will be installed outside of stable, 2) they'll be more bleeding edge
03:22<dingdong>did that but panels are missing
03:23<george_>try launching gpanel
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03:23<dingdong>is there anyway at least i can lauch a terminal by shortcut
03:24<george_>dingdong, yeah do this ctrl+alt+f1
03:24<george_>you'll get into tty1 and you can login
03:24<dingdong>no no
03:24<george_>youll get run command
03:24<dingdong>there is no panel, so i was thinking to open a terminal and launch application
03:25<george_>then do gnome-terminal
03:25<dingdong>even if i want to the gpanel i need to type somewhere right?
03:25<george_>dingdong, like i said do alt+f2 you'll get run command then type in gnome-terminal
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03:26<dingdong>so how can i reset the panels
03:26<george_>pkill gpanel
03:27<george_>then alt+f2 gpanel
03:27<george_>if gpanel launches the panel, not sure of the actual command
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03:27<george_>resetting idk
03:28<dspace>ctrl+alt+T launches a terminal
03:28<dspace>but he's gone
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03:29<george_>dspace, well i gave him all the advice i could
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03:30<george_>dspace, ctrl+alt+T doesn't open terminal in gnome
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03:31<Quite>right, it makes the computer explode
03:31<Quite>what an evil advice!
03:31<dspace>Works in my gnome
03:31<george_>sudo rm -rf /
03:31<dspace>Damn distro mods :)
03:31<Quite>no worky here either
03:32<george_>so debian doesn't come with gnotify, no one responded :/
03:32<dspace>Obviously you all got a defective Gnome
03:32<george_>or gnotifier
03:32<george_>dspace, u using kde?
03:32<Quite>it's the vanilla one from debian stable
03:32<dspace>No, gnome
03:32<george_>dspace, then u set it up as keybinding and forgot
03:32<Quite>probably so
03:33<george_>Quite, what's the vanilla one, your kernel?
03:33<Quite>i haven't modded it
03:33<Quite>not the keys at least
03:33<Quite>the kernel is from the backports
03:33<dspace>Not me, Clem Lefebvre
03:33<george_>so anyone wanna help me get my printer working so I can actually print things, kind of need it for school and other things
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03:34<george_>I think it's unsupported by linux
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03:34<dspace>If your printer is unsupported by Linux, what do you want us to do, write the driver? :)
03:35<Quite>i can do that!
03:35<Quite>in perl
03:35<george_>dspace, if you could :P
03:35<george_>dspace, i mean cups finds the driver, but it still doesn't print
03:35<Quite>i thought it would be as smooth as plugging USB audio devices in
03:36<dspace>What's the exact make and model of your printer?
03:36<Quite>i haven't tried printing from debian yet, once again
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03:37<george_>dspace, lexmark x7675
03:37<Quite>printing is one area where i have had pretty mixed results in unix
03:37<Quite>in windows everything just works
03:37<george_>dspace, I'm trying to get it to print wirelessly
03:37<Quite>i'm not proclaiming windows at all by saying that
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03:39<dingdong>now when i try to log on everything gets frozen
03:39<valdyn>george_: read lexmark documentation? they officially support using linux
03:40<dingdong>what i did was both panels align to right side... thats what causing no more panels
03:40<george_>valdyn, they may have the driver, but it only prints through usb maybe, didn't try it with usb
03:40<valdyn>george_: yea, true
03:41<valdyn>george_: dont you have one wired computer that can be used as printer server?
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03:42<valdyn>george_: or actually, it doesnt have to be wired as long as it runs windows
03:42<dingdong>created another user thats the best i guess ..
03:42<dspace>george_: Lexmark. I found your problem
03:42<dspace>I live in Lexington, KY. Lexmark is the largest private employer here. Wish I could support the local economy, but they refuse to cooperate.
03:43<george_>dspace, lol
03:44<Digital_Nerd>george_: maybe purchasing a brother instead!
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03:44<george_>valdyn, the other computer I have runs linux again lol
03:44<Digital_Nerd>I just setup my wireless, and it works be-a-u-tiful
03:45<george_>Digital_Nerd, wifi connection or printer wifi/.
03:46<george_>Digital_Nerd, thanks for rubbing it in :(
03:47<Digital_Nerd>I'm just saying, that brother seems to have a lot of support for linux
03:47<Digital_Nerd>I have an HP that may or may not work
03:47<Digital_Nerd>I haven't tried
03:47<Digital_Nerd>what kind of lex do you have
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03:49<george_>so what is this in red, is it gnome-notify?:
03:49<george_>Digital_Nerd, lexmark x7675
03:50<george_>Digital_Nerd, cups adds the 7000 series driver, automatically detects my printer and finds that driver and apparantly installs
03:50<dspace>Whoa, you have flash running
03:50<george_>but then printing doesn't work
03:50<george_>dspace, lol what's so amazing about that?
03:50<george_>dspace, what is that notifier at the top?
03:51<Digital_Nerd>george_: mine uses port 9100
03:51<dspace>george_: That's NotifyOSD, another thing invented by Ubuntu
03:51<Digital_Nerd>otherwise the url is the same, well the ip is different
03:51<george_>Digital_Nerd, so does this
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03:52<george_>dspace, alright so it exists on Ubuntu as default, lol I asked hundred times and no one responded
03:52<Digital_Nerd>that png you sent doesnt' show it
03:52<Digital_Nerd>of the printer settings
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03:53<george_>dspace, weird though that if I try to launch notifyosd in terminal, doesn't work
03:53<george_>Digital_Nerd, one sec
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03:53<dspace>george_: The device URI is socket://<ip address> Is it directly connected to your computer?
03:53<george_>dspace, no it's wireless
03:54<dspace>Have you tried to directly connect it? :)
03:54<george_>dspace, let me try
03:54<dspace>When encountering a problem, reduce the complexity as much as possible first :)
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03:55<george_>dspace, hmm says no driver for lexmark 7600 series lol
03:55<Digital_Nerd>that could be it
03:55<george_>why is NotifyOSD giving me this info lol
03:56<Digital_Nerd>nice work dspace, always check if it's pluged in first
03:56<Digital_Nerd>notifyOSD looks like its created a printer item but nothing else
03:56<dspace>That's what it does. It takes system messages and annoys you with them in the corner of the screen
03:56<dspace>That's a feature
03:57<Digital_Nerd>there prob is no driver associated with it
03:57<george_>dspace, if I wanted to kill notifyosd how would I do it, or is it built in?
03:58<dspace>george_: If your printer is directly connected to your computer, now try to install it manually, ie, select the driver from the list manually
03:58<notr00t>sudo kill 1 ( <--don't actually do)
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03:58<george_>kill 1?
03:58<notr00t>hahha NO
03:58<george_>what would that do?
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03:58<dspace>you could probably kill /usr/lib/notify-osd/notify-osd
03:58<notr00t>it kills init, the parent of all other processes
03:59<notr00t>in other words, it would make your system die
03:59<dspace>whatever that process is. ps aux | grep notify
04:00<dspace>The package is notify-osd. Maybe you can uninstall that.
04:00<dspace>I don't know. It might uninstall everything. Depends on how you installed Debian. :) I hate gnome-desktop-environment. I just install gnome-core and everything else manually on top of it
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04:01<george_>notr00t, ahh, i'd just reboot, big deal :P
04:01<notr00t>lol i don't know what damage it would do though
04:02<dspace>Hmm, well in Linux Mint, notify-osd rdepends ubuntu-desktop, so I'm guessing it reverse depends gnome-desktop-environment in Debian as well.
04:02<george_>dspace, hmm, what does gnome-core include, just the libraries for programs?
04:02<dspace>run: apt-cache rdepends notify-osd
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04:02<george_>ahh it's ok
04:02<dspace>Just basic stuff to get you to a command prompt
04:03<dspace>no gui.
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04:03<notr00t>heh hey dspace, looks like someone's done pretty close to that RAMlock idea i had
04:04<notr00t>from tresor "Upon wakeup you get a password prompt similar to the one shown above. But this time you can enter the correct password only, i.e., the password you have entered during boot. To check whether the password you entered is correct, the hash of the key is stored internally in RAM. Upon wakeup, you are only allowed to enter the correct password for two reasons: First of all, a wrong key immediately leads to data corruption if dis
04:04<notr00t>k encryption is active. Secondly, your computer is safe against unauthorized access"
04:04<Quite>i used to hate those cloated desktop environments in the past, but that was mostly because of mediocre hardware
04:05<Quite>cloated = bloated
04:05<notr00t>the fancy desktop environments are cool if you have the hardware to run them
04:05<Quite>i think gnome2 is pretty useful
04:05<Quite>and i finally do
04:06<Quite>i'm a console guy at heart, but gnome2 is pretty ok
04:06<george_>dspace, that comes default lol without even installing gnome-core
04:06<dspace>notr00t: Where are you reading this?
04:07<george_>Quite, you need a GUI unless all you do is program, I mean you need it for pictures, movies, webcam, and many more things
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04:08<george_>dspace, well I installed driver, everything went fine and pos still didn't work
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04:09<Quite>don't feel like messing around too much nowadays
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04:10<Quite>george, couldn't agree more
04:10<Quite>i installed debian some times with console only here lately, but after some time i missed the possibility to watch pictures and other graphics related stuff
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04:10<shanet>Hey guys, I recently installed tuxguitar and have sound working perfectly on it. I have operating system sounds as well but the problem is I can not play mp3 files or wav files, and audacity produces no sound.
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04:11<george_>Quite, the only thing console only is good for is programming and server
04:12<Quite>i would say so
04:12<george_>Quite, and maybe sound server
04:12<george_>for playing music
04:12<Quite>and lynx.... but that's not cutting the mustard nowadays
04:12<Quite> that too
04:12<Quite>that was the initial reason to go that barebones
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04:12<notr00t>george_, you have obviously not gotten good with the console if you think that's all its good for
04:12<Quite>for using the box as an audio player on steroids
04:13<Quite>because i already have a windows box for the gui bloat
04:13<Quite>finally i decided to install the gui as well with debian... it's good to have it
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04:13<george_>notr00t, what do you mean, I know it's good for administration as well, but what else is there?
04:14<george_>well this printer installation, doesn't work and gives me no way of uninstalling the drivers, POS
04:14<Quite>notr00t it's good for plenty of stuff of course
04:14<Quite>anything that doesn't have to do with graphics
04:15<Quite>unfortunately the web is rather heavily graphics based nowadays
04:15<notr00t>if you want to extract certain data from something
04:15<Quite>it wasn't back in the mid 90s
04:15<george_>after job gets added, it automatically stops for some reason
04:15<notr00t>and most security work is all console
04:15<george_>Quite, i'd say fortunately :P
04:16<Quite>depends on how you look at it ;)
04:16<george_>I want my pictures and media :P
04:16<Quite>i get you fully
04:16<dspace>notr00t: doesn't AES-NI require a specific chip?
04:16<george_>lol no GUI, no porn
04:16<shanet>Can anyone help me with my sound problem please?
04:16<Quite>no porn? :(
04:16<george_>jk ... maybe
04:16<Quite>oh i'm fed up with porn
04:16<Quite>better get the real thing
04:17<Quite>if anything
04:17<george_>I've seen all there is to see
04:17<notr00t>dspace, i'm reading right now, this is new info for me
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04:17<notr00t>apparently though, AESSE can run on any intel processor from the last 10 years
04:17<notr00t>but i think only at 128 bits
04:17<notr00t>not 256
04:17<dspace>yeah, AES-NI is a specific chip that handles crypto efficiently
04:17<dspace>which is probably why it's limited to 64 bit
04:18<notr00t>new intel chips have aes-specific instructions
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04:18<dspace>The Torservers guy was looking at exit nodes running specifically on dedicated servers with those chips. to handle the onion routing crypto efficiently
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04:19<george_>wow, I got the right driver and yet I'm still getting butt-f***ed by lexmark
04:19<notr00t>i was thinking itd be funny to buy up a truckload of home routers and hack them to run tor servers, then sell em on an auction site
04:20<Quite>welcome to the world of unix printing
04:20<notr00t>but it would piss off the tor network operators a lot cuz it'd make tor look really bad
04:20<george_>notr00t, you're going to create your own internet? lol
04:20<notr00t>haha george think of them as permanent private proxies
04:20<notr00t>how many people check home routers for malware?
04:20<notr00t>not many
04:20<george_>Quite, the thing is now the driver shows up and again it installs find, but right after I add a job it automatically stops for some reason
04:21<notr00t>how many people have even tried it?
04:21<Quite>sorry, can't help you out there
04:21<george_>notr00t, lol
04:21<Quite>i only know that my canon inkjet works great in windows, but that's not of any help to you
04:22<notr00t>it might be if your canon inkjet has the ability to run software and has a network port :P
04:22<george_>so how can I get rid of this sh*t lexmark put on my machine with their installer?
04:22<Quite>i would go postscript if i were to do any printing in unix
04:22<Quite>that's relatively foolproof
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04:22<Quite>just cat a file to the printer device
04:23<dspace>george_: Sorry, I honestly don't know enough about printing. All I do know is that HP works pretty well. I use Samba to print to an HP printer on a Windows box without any problem. 5 years ago I had a Lexmark that never effing worked. My solution was to never use Lexmark.
04:23<Quite>at least it would be that simple theoretically
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04:23<george_>dspace, i got it before Linux use unfortunately
04:23<notr00t>i use pencil and paper
04:23<notr00t>works pretty well
04:24<Quite>that's a great option
04:24<george_>dspace, don't you still need drivers on linux machine to send document to window machine to print?
04:24<notr00t>slow though
04:24<notr00t>and tough to make good copies
04:24<george_>I use a hammer and chisel
04:24<george_>takes a bit longer than you
04:24<dspace>george_: Yeah, in this case, you still need the HP driver PLUS Samba to interface with the Windows machine, but it works
04:25<Quite>i use sheeps blood on rocks
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04:25<george_>all these ways are faster than getting this working or how long it'll take Lexmark to get working drivers
04:25<Quite>it's called goatscript
04:25<george_>sad thing is they have the driver but doesn't work
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04:26<dspace>Printer ink is made of unicorn blood, now that's fancy
04:26<dspace>I mean it must be. What else would explain the price?
04:26<Quite>is that why it's so damn expensive
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04:27<notr00t>corporate gluttony is a possible alternative, though i personally think the unicorn blood idea is more likely
04:27<Quite>what they lose on the printers they gain on the ink
04:27<Quite>inhuman prices, really
04:27<george_>dspace, probably why it's sooo expensive
04:27<Quite>i don't do much printing anyway
04:28<Quite>i suppose a laser is more economical in the long run
04:28<george_>just do everything in school lol
04:28<Quite>i have yet to own one
04:28<george_>at least for me, I'm still young
04:28<Quite>i'm still old
04:28<notr00t>or hack a smart card for a copy shop
04:29<george_>damn I need to be up in hour and half to go fishing
04:29<Quite>and so he went fishing
04:29<Quite>sounded like you would disappear
04:30<notr00t>i need to sleep
04:30<Quite>in the US i suppose
04:30<Quite>europe here
04:31<notr00t>just havent done it in the last 30 hours or so
04:32<notr00t>doesnt matter what time of day it is
04:32<dspace>That's gonna be one shitty fishing trip
04:33<Quite>geeks never sleep
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04:33<notr00t>i wish i didn't need to
04:33<george_>Quite, US yeah :/
04:33<notr00t>i'd get so much more done
04:33<Quite>oh, you too
04:33<george_>dspace, I'm not driving, so no worries
04:33<notr00t>i'm intrigued by this idea of hacking home routers into proxies
04:33<Quite>i must say that the people here on #debian are generally a lot nicer than on any general #linux channel
04:34<notr00t>i'm sure someone else has done it
04:34<Quite>i thought the #freebsd guys were pretty stuck up as wlel
04:34<Quite>well even
04:34<Quite>i haven't been in a public irc room for ages
04:34<Quite>but this one is fully tolerable
04:34<notr00t>everyone has been at that "wow this is a lot to take in i feel really stupid" stage
04:35<notr00t>when first moving to linux, in particular
04:35<Quite>i started out in 1995 with slackware
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04:35<Quite>that should tell something about my age
04:35<dspace>I'm sure we're all glad to hear that we're "tolerable" :)
04:35<notr00t>then you figure it out and you end up hating Windows and MS for effing the whole world
04:35<Quite>anyway, i have been away from unix for years
04:36<Quite>nah, i still use windows
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04:36<Quite>not because i like it, but because i need to
04:36<notr00t>but shitty MS software makes for lots of $$ to be made fixing all the crashes
04:36<Quite>software availibility
04:36<george_>Windows isn't too bad
04:36<notr00t>i would advise any company i worked for to not switch to linux because if it's set up right there's little need for IT people
04:36<george_>I hate Apple
04:36<Quite>win7 is pretty solid
04:37<Quite>i never used vista
04:37<george_>they basically took unix and charged people for it
04:37<george_>and price their crap really high
04:37<george_>whereas linux basically took unix and gave it away for free
04:37<notr00t>you gotta admit though: the ipod and iphone were gamechangers
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04:37<Quite>i would say windows is still the best option for "normal people"
04:37<dspace>Windows releases not when it's necessary or useful, but when it maximizes profits. The average user will own a computer for 3-6 years, so that's how often a new Windows release will come out.
04:37<notr00t>so was itunes
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04:37<Quite>people that are virtually computer illiterate
04:38<Quite>yes dspace
04:38<notr00t><Quite> people that are virtually computer illiterate <-- basically the whole planet
04:38<Quite>they are cynical like any business
04:38<dspace>Because most people don't actually buy upgrades. They upgrade when they buy a new computer. But that pushes the new version out for Microsoft.
04:38<Quite>notr00t that's what i meant :)
04:38<george_>happy father's day to all you old people lol
04:38<Quite>betweent the lines
04:38<Quite>between even
04:39<notr00t>being a father isn't restricted to old people today
04:39<george_>the other day I saw some mexicans (not being racist or anything) buy an antivirus with their laptop
04:39<notr00t>they hand out condoms before they hand out algebra books
04:39<george_>they paid like 40 dollars for it
04:39<devil>now this is getting really ot
04:40<devil>how about moving it to #debian-offtopic
04:40<Quite>after all, the people who write win7 need some food on their table
04:40<Quite>they don't do it for fun
04:40<Quite>linux is written by people in their spare time
04:40<Quite>there's a difference
04:40<george_>sad when you see people buying a brand new computer and then buying an antivirus to protect themselves (slow down their computer)
04:41<Quite>oh i always uninstall virus stuff
04:41<Quite>antivirus even
04:41<Quite>it just slows the machine down
04:41<notr00t>not a good idea on a windoze box
04:41<Quite>"i always uninstall viruses"
04:41<devil>how about moving this to #debian-offtopic
04:41<Quite>if it was that easy ;)
04:41<devil>its notdebian related in any way
04:41<notr00t>hook a windoze box up to the internet without protection and in a half hour it'll be rooted by automated scanners
04:41<Quite>well i am very careful about where i go on the net
04:42<Quite>and i don't surf a lot
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04:42<Quite>i have the firewall enabled of course
04:42<Quite>and i only use firefox in windows
04:42<Quite>ie is a dangerous tool
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04:42<Yossarian>hi guys, is there any way i can check battery wear level in linux? in windows, there was a program called Everest to do that
04:42<Quite>it runs activex stuff behind your back
04:42<dspace>Quite: Bill Gates has something like $60 billion. Their release model did more than put food on the table
04:43<Quite>yes... GOOD food
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04:43<thenewb>it's amazing how much money one of these machine's is worth, or a program that run's on it
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04:43<dspace>Nobody working at Microsoft is struggling merely to put food on the table. Everything they do maximizes profits for them at the expense of the user
04:43<thenewb>i like that there's nice free software like this out there, and it runs good
04:43<Quite>but they write good stuff anyway
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04:43<Quite>never mind the rest
04:44<dspace>Hmmm, Firefox vs Internet Explorer
04:44<dspace>Windows Media Player vs VLC
04:44<Quite>i'm not advertising windows at all.... but in some ways you get what you pay for
04:45<Quite>although i prefer to use unix if i want to have some fun using the computer
04:45<cahoot>Quite, definitely OT here
04:45<devil>Yossarian: not that i would be aware of
04:45<Quite>yes cahoot
04:45<Quite>i was walking dangerous paths there
04:45<dspace>ah, uh, what else can Win7 do out of the box? Show PDFs? Nope. But gnome can. Show PowerPoints? Nope, but Gnome can (with LibreOffice)
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04:45<dspace>Windows can't even show Microsoft formats out of the box, but Linux can
04:46<devil>dspace: please...
04:46<Yossarian>devil, that's sad :(
04:46<Quite>let's not fight about which is the best os
04:46<Yossarian>devil, it's essentially the only thing i miss from my days of windows :))
04:46<devil>Yossarian: maybe someone else has better news
04:46<Quite>i have been there too many times
04:47<devil>Yossarian: with 'wear level' you mean the overall health?
04:47<Quite>windows has its strengthes, so does unix
04:47<JohGro>Yossarian: I use gnome, and see in the gnome power manager applet that my battery claims 99.9 Wh, but reaches only 95.7 Wh when fully charged, if that kind of info is wht you are after...
04:47<Yossarian>devil, yes i think so
04:47<Yossarian>JohGro, how do i go about checking that?
04:48<JohGro>Yossarian: Do you use gnome?
04:48<Yossarian>JohGro, yes, with squeeze
04:49<JohGro>I seea battery icon on the upper right of the panel, and I can click on it and select the batter, and choose to see details about the battery. I use testing and can not test if squeeze behaves the same.
04:50<george_>so anyone know how I can remove the lexmark driver I installed?
04:50<Yossarian>sh*t! i've never seen that before! thank you JohGro
04:50<devil>george_: with the cups webinterface?
04:50<george_>devil, no I used an sh installer from lexmark
04:51<devil>george_: does it have an uninstaller?
04:51<george_>devil, not sure :/ how can I check?
04:52<devil>george_: look in the unpacked dir of the tar.gz
04:52<george_>devil, there's only the one .sh which is the installer
04:52<devil>george_: go shoot someone at Lexmark. ;)
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04:53<george_>I'm planning to (jk)
04:53<george_>they don't have a 64 bit driver
04:53<devil>Lexmark was crap when i used windows in the olden days
04:53<george_>and this pos 32-bit didn't work :/
04:53<george_>don't ask me why I bought it, idk
04:53<hankintosh>george_: perhaps a long shot, but maybe they put a --remove flag in there =) You may head out a few lines and see.
04:54<devil>return the printer if you can
04:54<george_>devil, bought it from someone on craigslist like 2 years ago, doubt it lol
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04:56<notr00t>sell it on craigslist again
04:56<notr00t>someone else will buy it and hold it for 2 years before realizing they're sick of it and don't know what else to do
04:56<george_>notr00t, maybe I should
04:56<george_>or they'll use it happily with windows
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04:58<george_>hankintosh, nope no --remove it seems
04:58<george_>i don't want their crap on my computer
04:58<george_>no way to find their crap and get rid of it?
04:59<notr00t>dont use mac
04:59<raylu>when installing cacti, it pulled in libphp-adodb and i got the warning: . i don't have any adodb lines in either of those files. accessing pages on my lighttpd through fastcgi-php now gives warnings. what should i do?
04:59<hankintosh>george_: there should be an archive in that sh that they extract, there could be a way to open it manually to see what they added
05:00<hankintosh>george_: I haven't done it before, but seem to remember seeing uuencode or something
05:00<hankintosh>george_: I was also thinking of launching it in a chroot, but it may look for stuff instead of just unzipping
05:01<george_>hankintosh, this is why I didn't want to run this crap they call an installer
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05:02<hankintosh>george_: Ahh... feel tainted? =)
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05:02<george_>hankintosh, yeah and this is a new install just a day old :/
05:03<hankintosh>george_: samhain or tripwire may help, but need to be set up beforehand... not much help now
05:03<hankintosh>george_: have a public link to the driver package? I'll have a look as time permits.
05:04<hankintosh>if linking is cool here... haven't been here in years
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05:05<george_>hankintosh, ahh, don't waste your time, not too big of a deal ;)
05:05<hankintosh>bored atm =)
05:07<hankintosh>trying to fix grub with an lvm root
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05:07<george_>hankintosh, well I need to go to sleep in a minute but maybe I can catch you here some other time, I'll be in here alot
05:07<george_>but it's
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05:09<george_>hankintosh, have a good night or morning, need to get less than hour of sleep, going fishing lol
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05:13<raylu>oh. i think i've figured it out. the warning is a bug and the latter is caused by using mariadb
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05:26<sml>hi people
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05:26<sml>if i want to use dd to make a byte copy of a system to use as a backup is there any way to do it with a live mounted filesystem? or is there some other tool? rsync is good but does a byte file copy
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05:33<hankintosh>sml: should work, but I've never done it. If there are lots of changes going on, you may want to look into taking a snapshot of it first (if you use LVM), to make it more transaction-safe.
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05:35<hankintosh>sml: sorry, not the authority on that, just dumping my brain =)
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05:41<Yossarian>another question: what do most of you use/recommend for an IRC client? :)
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05:43<sml>hankintosh: did wonder if i could use some kind of snapshot
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05:45<ml|>sml: clonezilla is another option .. /msg dpkg clonezilla
05:46<notr00t>adios for now
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05:50<DSFBagpuss>Morning people,
05:50<Yossarian>what do most of you use/recommend for an IRC client? :)
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05:50<Black_Prince>Yossarian, xchat konversation weechat irsii
05:50<DSFBagpuss>need a bit of help with debian on a buffalo linkstation
05:51<Yossarian>Black_Prince, do you use all of those?
05:51<Black_Prince>I use xchat only
05:51<DSFBagpuss>I can't ping my linkstation using its host name
05:51<Black_Prince>That is what most people use.
05:53<DSFBagpuss>but I can ping it via ip address
05:54<hankintosh>DSFBagpuss: never heard of a linkstation, but IP of the hostname that same as what you're able to ping?
05:55<hankintosh>and sorry, getting early, brain melty
05:55<DSFBagpuss>yes ip address is 192.168.2.* I can ping that
05:55<DSFBagpuss>it's host name is buffalonas but i can't ping that
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05:56<hankintosh>DSFBagpuss: is the * meant to signify the last octet is changing?
05:56<DSFBagpuss>not changing
05:56<K0JIbKA>DSFBagpuss: netstat -t
05:58<DSFBagpuss>netstat results is the pastebin
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06:06<DSFBagpuss>any thoughts guys?
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06:08<Black_Prince>DSFBagpuss, is your hostname a FQDN with DNS setup?
06:09<DSFBagpuss>how would I check?
06:09<DSFBagpuss>my dns server (MS server2003) sees all my other machines but not my linux box
06:10<Black_Prince>Well, if it says "Name not found" it does not have a record.
06:11<DSFBagpuss>if i ping the linux box from my xp cmd line it sa
06:11<DSFBagpuss>ys host not found
06:11<DSFBagpuss>but if I ping it from within a putty (telnet) session it works
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06:17<DSFBagpuss>need to go for now, i'll be back later and maybe light will be shed upon my problem.... cheers guys
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06:51<nerea>hay alguien hay?
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06:57<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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07:17<shanet>Hey guys, I have tuxguitar and audacity installed and want to record my tuxguitar tune with audacity by routing my sound using JACKD. I have JACK controller installed. How would I go about routing, and should I be able to hear sound?
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07:29<farr3ll>Hey guys !
07:30<farr3ll>whre r u from?
07:30<shanet>I am trying to record my tune in tuxguitar with audacity by routing my sound using JACK
07:30<SynrG>shanet: i assume you mean tuxguitar-jack
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07:31<moji>hey guys, I get an error when i tried to install a software (any software) from Ubuntu software center. the error is "An unhandlable error occured". what should i do???
07:31<shanet>No, jackd
07:31<SynrG>shanet: if you start tuxguitar-jack, audacity and qjackctl you should be able to connect up tuxguitar and audacity
07:31<devil>moji: ask in #ubuntu maybe?
07:31<shanet>Ok thanks, I shall try that
07:32<farr3ll>what error you got ?
07:32<moji>i asked on ubuntu channel but nobody could help :-l
07:32<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
07:32<devil>moji: well, we cant forsure
07:32<moji>farr3ll: hello buddy
07:32<moji>devil: thank alot :-l
07:32<moji>devil: thanks alot :-l
07:33<farr3ll>moji:tell me the error.I'll see if i can help you
07:33<SynrG>farr3ll, moji: off channel, please.
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07:35<b0a9>get off our irc network!
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07:37<shanet>I will be back if I have a problem. Thanks SynrG
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07:41<Surfaceofme>is this debian help?
07:41<Surfaceofme>i don tlike ur username
07:41<devil>thats your problem, not mine
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07:42<abrotman>there are 400 other people here that may be able to help
07:42<devil>448, to be precise
07:42<SynrG>many with prettier nicks
07:42<Surfaceofme>ok is there a channel to get a free shell hjere?
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07:42<abrotman>Surfaceofme: do you need Debian help?
07:43<Surfaceofme>i need a server help
07:43<abrotman>we don't give out free shells here
07:43<SynrG>apt-get install bash
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07:47<salman>with all the 'strange' problems and errors I am facing daily, I think it is about time that I have a fresh install of squeeze, I will free one tomorrow for this task. It is sad, because I first installed etch when it was still in testing
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07:55<SynrG>salman: strange? like ... ?
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07:57<salman>gnome with no windows frames or titles for main window despite wm running, but child window, like 'about' does have them
07:57<abrotman>tried changing WM ?
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07:58<salman>yes, the only one that worked is bluetiles
07:58<SynrG>what happens?
07:59<SynrG>you start a wm and ... any error messages?
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07:59<salman>SynrG, no error messages, those errors I mentioned are in the booting messages
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07:59<SynrG>i wasn't here for that.
07:59<salman>abrotman, I tried gnome-fail and it is ok
08:00<abrotman>so it's a WM problem? what's your WM ?
08:00<salman>abrotman, metacity
08:00<SynrG>so there's no metacity process running?
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08:01<SynrG>if you start metacity from the commandline, is there any error output?
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08:01<salman>abrotman, these are some error I discovered in .xsession-error:
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08:02<salman>SynrG, I am running now with a terminal open with metacity --replace, no errors but no frames
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08:03<SynrG>salman: maybe some issues with ownership of dotfiles?
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08:04<SynrG>it's possible to pretty badly screw things up if you run some X apps as root without changing HOME so that dotfiles get written with root ownership in your home dir
08:04<salman>SynrG, not sure why if true, I never play with permissions
08:04<SynrG>generally, if you want to do something like that, you use gksudo/gksu to launch the app
08:04<salman>SynrG, and never log in -specially to X as root
08:05<SynrG>no ...
08:05<SynrG>i mean su
08:05<salman>SynrG, I always do a su
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08:07<SynrG>salman: what i mean is, i have seen situations where su was used, then an X app was launched, then ownerships of dotfiles in the user's home dir were messed up (not recently, though ... i think su by default changes HOME now)
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08:07<SynrG>but if you've had the system ever since etch ... it's possible such stuff has crept in
08:07<SynrG>so just check ownership of all dotfiles in your home dir
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08:08<SynrG>find ~ -not -user salman
08:09<SynrG>trying this myself on my own account, i just found ~/.rpmdb is owned by root. how strange :/
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08:13<SynrG>salman: in any case, i think a reinstall is not needed here. it likely relates to some user config issue. if you create an account 'testuser' and login to X with that, i suspect all will be well ...
08:14<SynrG>so you just need to figure out which user configs are broken and fix them.
08:14<gnugr>salman: to see available WM run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" and to set default WM use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager"
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08:15<salman>SynrG, I did create another user and had the same issue
08:15<salman>SynrG, I even renamed ~/.config/ and rebooted and nothing changed
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08:16<salman>SynrG, find ~ -not -user salman shows nothing
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08:17<SynrG>something strange about sessions, then
08:17<SynrG>shutdown gdm and just try logging into console and startx
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08:17<salman>SynrG, that is the word I used :-)
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08:23<SynrG>salman: i don't understand in the relationship between /tmp/user/1000 and /home/salman
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08:23<SynrG>is 1000 the uid of 'salman'?
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08:24<salman>how can I tell?
08:25<abrotman>getent salman passwd
08:25<abrotman>erm .. getent passwd salman
08:25<SynrG>echo $UID
08:26<SynrG>that too
08:26<salman>it is 1000
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08:27<SynrG>can you login without gdm?
08:27<SynrG>just wondering if it's gdm's session stuff that's messed up.
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08:29<salman>SynrG, I always use gdm although I have others installed too
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08:30<salman>SynrG, when I open a new program, say the terminal, I can see the window frames and title there for a second then it disappears
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08:33<Osiris_X>I have a key in gpg --list-keys but not in gpg --list-secret-keys - how do I fix that?
08:33<gnugr>salman: did you see this configuration? " " ( its for metacity WM )
08:35<salman>gnugr, no, I will go through it, thanks
08:36<salman>although I have a feeling that metacity is ok, but something else suppress the windows decoration, not sure though
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08:38<SynrG>Osiris_X: it's your own secret key? normally, when you generate a secret/public key pair, it's added to your secret keyring. where did this one come from?
08:39<Osiris_X>SynrG, yes it is my own key, but it was created on a different machine in my network
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08:44<maxb>Osiris_X: You need to export the secret key from where it is stored and import it on the other machine
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08:44<Osiris_X>maxb, that's what I thought I did, but I guess I only exported the one from pubring.gpg
08:44<maxb>--export-secret-keys, --import
08:45<Osiris_X>maxb, however both secring.gpg and pubring.gpg are identical on my other machine - is this a mistake?
08:46<maxb>bytewise identical?
08:46<maxb>That would be wrong.
08:47<maxb>Try gpg --list-secret-keys
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08:49<Osiris_X>maxb, I mean gpg --list-secret-keys has the same output as gpg --list-keys
08:50<SynrG>ah. then if you've only ever generated keys and never imported anyone else's public key, that's fine.
08:50<Osiris_X>SynrG ok great
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08:52<Osiris_X>SynrG, does this mean I can gpg import-secret-keys the key that I exported from pubring.gpg?
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08:55<SynrG>hmm ...
08:55<SynrG>so if it's a security risk, what's the secure way?
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09:00<Black_Prince>I remember there was a way to password protect exported private key
09:00<Black_Prince>So you can import it later if needed.
09:00<SynrG>Osiris_X: and there is no --import-secret-keys afaik. just --import
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09:02<Black_Prince>gpg -a --export-secret-keys keyhere | gpg -aco keyfile.key to export and password protect secret key
09:02<Black_Prince>gpg --decrypt keyfile.key | gpg --import to import
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09:21<nardev>Which one is good proxy server? My local network blocks me youtube/facebook etc and i have server remotely that i want to use as proxy to avoid local network policy. Which is good and easy to setup proxy for that purposes?
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09:29<omry_>what is the meaning of Could not perform immediate configuration on 'apache2-mpm-prefork' ?
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09:32<gnugr>!tell omry_ -about apache2 mpm
09:34<omry_>gnugr, yeah - so?
09:34<omry_>I know what mpm worker is.
09:34<omry_>but what is this error message?
09:34<omry_>why can't I install it
09:34<gnugr>!tell omry_ -about php mpm
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09:34<omry_>(its an error message I get from apt-get)
09:35<weasel>gnugr: do you actually know what the problem is or do you just like dpkg?
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09:39<omry_>guess his solution is that I don't use mpm-worker
09:40<Fudgey>hi guys what can i use instead of ubuntus apt-add-repository
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09:40<babilen>Fudgey: An editor? Which repository do you want to add?
09:40<gnugr>omry_: apache2-mpm-prefork is in my repositories, why not in yours?
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09:42<Fudgey>babilen dusek-spd-daily, its to convert vinux to debian
09:42<Fudgey>i know how to get the sources and put them somewhere but not sure on how to add the keys
09:42<omry_>gnugr, why do you think its not in my repos?
09:43<Fudgey>babilen vinuxscripts on sourceforge
09:43<gnugr>omry_: you said you can't install it, no?
09:43<Fudgey>ive created a squeeze branch and jsut have to go through and make it work for debian, it runs on ubuntu but of course there are differences
09:43<abrotman>Fudgey: are you on Ubuntu or Debian ?
09:44<Fudgey>currently i am on natty, i have mint installed but can install debian
09:44<babilen>Fudgey: PPAs are not meant to be used with Debian and the packaging is of unknown quality. I do not recommend installing from PPAs. That being said: Just add it to /etc/apt/sources.list and be done with it. I would, however, recommend to just compile the software yourself and add it to /usr/local -- Use stow to manage those installations. "/msg dpkg stow" + "/msg dpkg stow usage"
09:44<Fudgey>i will use debian to get the scripts working
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09:44<abrotman>Fudgey: how is this related to Debian ?
09:44<abrotman>Fudgey: ask the channel for your distro .. this isn't it
09:45<Fudgey>excuse me abrotman i am in the right place
09:45<babilen>Fudgey: How so?
09:45<abrotman>no, you're not
09:45<omry_>gnugr, there can be many reasons for this. specifically - I had a useless error which is not "the package is not found"
09:45<Fudgey>let me clarify
09:45<abrotman>we do not support Mint or Ubuntu
09:45<omry_>gnugr, I somehow worked it out in any case.
09:46<gnugr>omry_: are you with squeeze or testing?
09:46<Fudgey>vinux is a remastered version of currently ubuntu for visually impaired users, we are porting the scripts we wrote to be able to to remaster a debian machine. so i am working out conflicts so that we can run the script over a debian install and create a vinux debian remastered for vision impaired.
09:46<omry_>gnugr, squeeze
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09:46<omry_>gnugr, it could be something I did wrong though. I am using some additional repositories
09:47<babilen>!tell omry_ -about bat
09:47<abrotman>Fudgey: Mint and Ubuntu are not Debian .. please try again
09:47<babilen>omry_: Give us detailed information please :)
09:47<Fudgey>abrotman i siad the scripts will be run on debian, whats your problem
09:47<abrotman>Fudgey: install Debian ..
09:48<babilen>Fudgey: Do you need help with the creation of a Debian pure blend? Are you actually working on Debian now?
09:48<abrotman>Fudgey: Mint and Ubuntu change parts of the distro .,. any advice we give you about debian could destroy either of those distros
09:48<Fudgey>i am not currently at this stage working in debian, i am researching so i am prepared
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09:49<omry_>babilen, the problem disappeared I removed apache and reinstalled it. so debugging this now will probably not work
09:49<omry_>10x anyway
09:49<babilen>omry_: Ok, just wanted to mention it because it is hard to solve problems in "crystal-ball-mode" :)
09:49<abrotman>Fudgey: generally, Debian users use an editor to add sources .. mixing versions of Debian and/or other distros is likely to lead to a broken system
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09:50<omry_>babilen, no doubt :)
09:51<Fudgey>i will read up on stow, its my understanding that later versions of speech-dispatcher and our custom apps vinux uses would be fine from a ppa but i do appreciate your concerns and you can no tproblems solve with such a mix. I will return once squeeze instaleld with direct questions
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09:52<abrotman>Fudgey: FWIW, why not work with Debian to have them included in Debian, instead of a side project?
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09:53<Fudgey>we do try and get some of our fixes up stream abrotman , but some projects are abandenned or hacked and are not good enough to get into mainstream
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09:54<abrotman>Fudgey: Debian isn't really 'upstream' .. sounds like you are upstream in some cases .. you can be a package maintainer too .. and if they work in Debian, they'll likely get included in 'multiverse' or whatever it is .. and then be in ubuntu too
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09:55<babilen>Fudgey: Another thing you could do is to file and RFP (/msg dpkg rfp) for the software. If you are interested you can package it yourself and have it sponsored in Debian. (/msg dpkg rfs)
09:56<Fudgey>thanks for the info
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09:57<Fudgey>im downloading squeeze now and iwll install afte rwork tomorrow :d
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10:59<Guest5197>hi can any one hack into our systems using proxy
11:00<Guest5197>i have my proxy settings open, so that means that someone can come and hack my computer ??
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11:00<Guest5197>can anyone hear me ??
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11:24<scisteffan>hey - when I try and print a page using CUPS, the CUPS server stops running
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11:25<scisteffan>then I restart CUPS and it does the same
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11:27<K0JIbKA>I was reading this and in the text I found some confusing part about switching back to 'original' Debian kernel source. Can anybody explain me this?
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11:27<K0JIbKA>my kernel is behaving strange at the moment
11:28<K0JIbKA>will it work out like $ /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.26/apply/debian 1 ?
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11:30<K0JIbKA>correction - version is different
11:30<cyberninja>which version
11:31<K0JIbKA>cyberninja: kernel
11:31<cyberninja>help me to get download secret files
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12:02<devil>cybersphinx_: what is secret about sslserver?
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13:18<zar>portscan auf UNIX
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13:19<zar> ???
13:19<sney>the application you are looking for is called nmap
13:20<zar>1570 1675 port
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13:20<sney>do you have a question?
13:20<mazze>I seek some help with a difficult topic (at least for me): locales. I have a localised workstation here, and when I open a gnome-terminal, I can write mit special characters without problem, and LANG is set to de_AT.UTF-8. I think, this should have been a good choice. In Eterm however I cannot enter my language's special characters.
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13:21<sney>I think that might just be a weakness with Eterm.
13:21<mazze>Furthermore, when I ssh to a remote installation, even with gnome-terminal, I can no longer those characters too, even though the same locales are compiled there (but not set in the environment). Any hint?
13:21<mazze>sney might be, it seems a bit outdated. Maybe it is not compatible with Unicode.
13:21<mazze>(but this is not my biggest issue)
13:22<tzafrir>mazze, what do you see when you type those characters?
13:23<mazze>tzafrir I see a capital "C" and a sign, dependent on which key I hit.
13:23<tzafrir>mazze, is it possible that this is because of a different font used?
13:24<mazze>tzafrir to set the not that big topic between Eterm and gnome-terminal aside: When using gnome-terminal locally, it just works fine. When I do then in the terminal an ssh to a remote server, I only get the signs described. In this case, it should not be a font problem.
13:25<mazze>(As far as I understand it)
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13:25<tzafrir>mazze, so it's an issue with the locale settings on the remote system?
13:26<mazze>tzafrir might be. But I don't know what to do or where to look: I compiled already the locale there I use locally, and tried to just export LANG, but it did not seem to have an influence ...
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13:31<gnugr>mazze: check htis out " " i hope will help you
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13:32<mazze>gnugr thank you for the link, I will study it (didn't find that before :( )
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13:33<nodisc>Hey all, I still have this problem: LCD backlight not turning on when my netbook comes back from suspend. I already tried pm-suspend quirks, disabling kms... no way. I'm running wheezy with kernel 2.6.38-5-amd64, video card is an Intel 3150 with the i915 driver. Helpppp please
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13:34<gnugr>mazze: see also what the bot says with ( /msg dselect locales )
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13:38<mazze>gnugr It did help, thank you very much. (The SSH-Server was a very old installation and missed the AllowEnv directive in /etc/ssh/sshd_config). :)
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13:55<Ensinger>Hi, I have a notebook with two graphics cards (intel HD and Nvidia 520m). How can I find out which one is running?
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13:57<sney>glxinfo |grep -i render
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13:59<Ensinger>says Intel. does that mean the Nvidia card is not powered, or just that the Intel gfx is doing the rendering but the Nvidia is still powered?
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14:00<sney>that would depend on the hardware, probably
14:01<sney>if the nvidia gpu isn't being used for rendering, then it shouldn't be drawing much power at least
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14:06<saintk>Hi, I've been experimenting for several hours but can't find a satisfying correctly working solution. I want to lock users in their homedirectory when they access it through SSH. For SCP I found an easy workable solution. Any tips for ssh (guides etc?)
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14:06<sney>you mean make it so they can't cd to anything outside their home directories?
14:07<sney>saintk: how about with chroots?
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14:12<saintk>sney: Yea, I don't want em to be able to do anything outside of their own directory
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14:13<saintk>I've been trying to chroot just now, but I keep running into a (for me) unsolvable problem when I want to excecute stuff such as irssi and screen as the chrooted users I get this; Cannot find terminfo entry for 'xterm'.
14:13<saintk>No matter what I try, I can't seem to beat that error using goodle
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14:13<sney>I think you can have user-specific .terminfo files in /home dirs
14:14<saintk>Aye, I copied everything to the correct locations, in the chroot, in the home dir's
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14:14<saintk>well there is no .terminfo file in the /home dir, but I moved all term related stuff into the chroot
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14:16<sney>well it would have to be in a location recognized by the system, you can't just put the /etc/term* trees in each home dir and hope for the best
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14:17<Black_Prince>saintk, do you have ncurses-term and ncurses-base packages installed?
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14:18<saintk>I moved /usr/share/terminfo into the jail (as suggested while searching for solutions)
14:18<saintk>Black_Prince: yes I do
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14:19<Infra_HDC>topic must be corrected because 6.0.2 released?
14:20<saintk>not moved, copied *
14:20<sney>next saturday, Infra_HDC
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14:22<Infra_HDC>sney, $ cat /etc/debian_version
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14:23<saintk>Are there any usable DeBian Squeeze / user chroot guides? Then I'll give it another go from scratch
14:23<sney>it's not officially 'released' yet though it is frozen now
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14:25<daemonkeeper>saintk: FWIW If anything, it would be DebIan :)
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14:55<mdb>Problem with nm-applet: cant disconnect mobile-umts
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14:59<wrek-gar>is there anyone here using a wireless network?
14:59<sney>I am right now
14:59<sney>is that all you wanted to know?
15:00<wrek-gar>wireless usb adapter starts runs for about a minute and then cuts off, it doesn't stay on long enough for any devices to recognize the connection
15:00<sney>!otherchannel wrek-gar #ubuntu
15:00<dpkg>wrek-gar: The channel you are looking for is #ubuntu on Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://
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15:01<wrek-gar>dpkg, this is for a debian desktop
15:01<dpkg>wrek-gar: what are you talking about?
15:01<wrek-gar>wifi adapter runs then it cuts out
15:01<sney>ok, what wireless adapter is it
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15:03<mdb>Problem with nm-applet: umts-connection is forgotten after manual disconnect (no more connect, have to unplug umts-modem and re-plug to reconnect) but have to leave now. :-(
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15:04<tchnkion>sney, ?
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15:05<sney>tchnkion: ok, what wireless adapter is it?
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15:07<tchnkion>usb adapter
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15:08<sney>that really needs to be more specific! there are a lot of different companies making usb wifi adapters
15:09<tchnkion>d-link dwl-1222
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15:10<sney>tchnkion: also, to reset it, what do you have to do? unplug the adapter and plug it back in?
15:10<hmza911>hi to all!
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15:11<sney>tchnkion: also, to reset it, what do you have to do? unplug the adapter and plug it back in?
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15:11<tchnkion>sney, it works just doesn't stay connected
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15:11<solclum>tchnkion, have you looked at: ?
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15:12<sney>that howto is probably out of date
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15:12<solclum>Yeah most likely, but outdated is better than nothing
15:12<dpkg>The <linux-wlan-ng> prism2_usb driver provides support for 802.11b USB wireless LAN devices based on Prism 2/2.5/3 chipsets. It is included as staging driver since Linux 2.6.28. <WPA> is not supported. Squeeze users, ask me about <prism2_usb firmware>. To install this driver on Lenny/2.6.26, ask me about <prism2_usb lenny>.
15:12<sney>^ actually relevant to debian systems, to boot
15:13<solclum>Ahh, did not know that
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15:14<sney>I bet it needs that firmware package. tchnkion: do '/msg dpkg prism2_usb firmware' in your irc client for instructions
15:14<tchnkion>right now the primary connection is ethernet 0
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15:16<sney>wrekd-gar: that's a pretty shaky network connection you have. when it drops, is there anything interesting in dmesg?
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15:17<wrekd-gar>sney, there is always a problem with ethernet connection, tried port forwarding but nothing works
15:18<sney>is there anything in the last 10 or so lines of dmesg that might point to a reason? any error message?
15:18<wrekd-gar>sney, need more info on how to use dmesg
15:18<wrekd-gar>no clue as to how it works
15:19<sney>it's just a command that shows you the system log. run it in a terminal and it'll output a lot of text.
15:19<sney>see if there's anything at the end that looks like a network error.
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15:23<wrekd-gar>sney, is there an example on how to use dmesg?
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15:23<sney>wrekd-gar: it's just a command that shows you the system log. run it in a terminal and it'll output a lot of text.
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15:24<wrekd-gar>dmesg -c dpkg prism2_usb firmware ?
15:24<sney>no -c no nothing
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15:24<solclum>It's alright sney, he'll be back, must be bad for him
15:24<sney>I don't know why he's still asking for an example. just try it! sheesh!
15:25<solclum>Just wants to be sure
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15:25<sney>wrekd-gar: there is no example. just run it by itself.
15:25<sney>and look at the text.
15:25<sney>and see if there is anything like the word "error" or something that sounds like networking.
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15:29<wrekd-gar>sney, it's odd because it recognizes the surrounding wireless networks but it won't stay in adhoc mode
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15:31<wrekd-gar>sney, it's odd because it recognizes the surrounding wireless networks but it won't stay in adhoc mode
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15:31<sney>wrekd-gar: I see a usb disconnect in the log, does it do that every time the connection drops?
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15:31<sney>wrekd-gar: maybe it needs the firmware to work in adhoc mode.
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15:32<wrekd-gar>not for certain, is there a way it can be checked?
15:32<sney>dmesg |less would let you scroll up and down with the arrow keys
15:32<solclum>Not sure if this'll help but I found this:
15:32<sney>just look for more usb disconnects on 4-2
15:32<solclum>It includes a link for the firmware installer
15:32<wrekd-gar>ok,.. should prism2 firmware drivers be installed?
15:33<sney>it's worth a shot
15:33<sney>!prism2_usb firmware
15:33<dpkg>Firmware for use by the <prism2_usb> staging driver in Linux >= 2.6.32 (prism2_ru.fw) is available via the prism2-usb-firmware-installer package in <contrib>. Note that only some devices require firmware from userspace for their operation. For all devices, it will transiently upgrade station firmware to v1.8.3. Lenny/2.6.26 users, ask me about <prism2_usb lenny>.
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15:34<wrekd-gar>sney, thanks
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15:53<codinGenesis>i freshly installed debian 5, everything went fine, but i am not able to hear sound ??
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15:53<codinGenesis>so how to make sound working ??
15:53<babilen>codinGenesis: Any particular reason why you did not install a recent version? (i.e. Debian 6 aka Squeeze)
15:53<debnov>hi all, I upgraded debian lenny recently and now i have no X, when I startx I get the error R128(0): No DFP detected. I have a ati rage 128 pro, I have tried using the fglrx driver but no X then either
15:54<codinGenesis>babilen: i have 5 sets of dvd of debian 5
15:54<codinGenesis>i don't have a great internet connection...
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15:54<rss>debnov; th r128 is not supported by fglrx
15:55<debnov>ok thanks
15:55<babilen>codinGenesis: You are aware that it will only be supported for about half a year (tad longer) ?
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15:55<debnov>I also tried vesa
15:55<daemonkeeper>codinGenesis: That said, you could just try to upgrade to Debian 6 and see if your sound magically starts working (you know, driver support=
15:55<debnov>still no X
15:55<codinGenesis>ya, i will get those dvd's when my college will start...
15:56<babilen>codinGenesis: Ok, be that as it may. You most likely want to make sure that your sound hardware is configured correctly (cat /proc/asound/cards + lspci -nn → and you want to follow "/msg dpkg alsa checklist"
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15:56<rss>debnov: what does startx from a root prompt do?
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15:56<babilen>codinGenesis: I am also with daemonkeeper on this, better upgrade sooner than later. :) -- I'll be back in some minutes.
15:56<debnov>I was also considering upgrading to 6 but was afraid of the graphics stuff
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15:57<rss>debnov: upgrade may be a good chioce if it does not work on lenny
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15:58<debnov>my latest error says no devices detected
15:58<codinGenesis>babilen, i will upgrade very soon to the newer version........
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15:59<rss>got to go cul8r
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16:00<daemonkeeper>codinGenesis: Note you can also order Debian CDs.
16:01<codinGenesis>ya, but i would be getting those dvd's from my college so waiting for my college to reopen...
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16:01<codinGenesis>and one more thing i want to know what is to learn about debian package manager ??
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16:02<jhutchins_lt>dpkg: lenny->squeeze?
16:02<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>.
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16:02<daemonkeeper>codinGenesis: To learn what? Debian packages in general, the GUI or what?
16:03<codinGenesis>to make packages...
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16:04<daemonkeeper>Ah, well, read the New Maintainers' Guide
16:04<daemonkeeper>For strictly policy compliant packages read the Debian Policy and the Developer's Reference.
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16:07<codinGenesis>ok :)
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16:08<daemonkeeper>If you intend to package for Debian, feel free to ask in #debian-mentors
16:09<debnov>I don't have enough space for a dist-upgrade and I can't get X to work on lenny
16:09<debnov>i have ati rage 128pro
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16:10<debnov>can I upgrade certain things to testing without using an extra 3GB
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16:14<daemonkeeper>debnov: try "apt-get clean" and try again
16:14<debnov>or can someone shed some light on why my X does not work after already upgrade lenny
16:15<debnov>thanks daemon but my /var partition is 2.8G in total
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16:16<jhutchins_lt>See? Partition the drive and you end up running out of space every time.
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16:20<jhutchins_lt>debnov: Squeeze really shouldn't take up that much more space than lenny. Did you ever have it working?
16:20<jhutchins_lt>debnov: I think I have a rage 128 and it just works.
16:20<jhutchins_lt>make that _had_ a 128, and didn't run debian on it.
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16:21<dpkg>Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.
16:21<jhutchins_lt>debnov: You could mess with that, and you could google your chipset + xorg.
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16:24<debnov>jhutchins: yes, it was working for about 2 or 3 years until 2 weeks ago
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16:24<debnov>thing is that I have way too many packages installed, I think
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16:24<debnov>latex and tex-live and things like that
16:25<debnov>I'm remoing openoffice now to see how that changes
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16:32<Class>hello guys
16:32<debnov>hmm, I edited my sources.list for the dist-upgrade and did not return it to lenny. I did apt-get remove openoffice* and now its downloaded loads of testing packages and its run into errors setting up perl
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16:35<Class>i was always annoyed the fact that my ssh private key is kept in plan txt and it is quite ease to stole. So i wonder do you guys use some encryption/token or something like this ?
16:35<Class>to store private key ?
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16:35<akerl>Class: Why doesn't your private key have a passphrase
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16:35<Class>akerl, it has
16:35<akerl>And who else has root access to your box to steal the key?
16:36<ompaul>Class: because you can root your own machine, but seriously how many wrappers do you want around the wrapper?
16:37<ompaul>Class: at some point it needs to be available to the machine
16:37<Class>there is no need to have root privilege to stole private key
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16:37<akerl>Class: If you are root, and only root can read the private key, then yes, you need root to steal the key
16:37<Class>user can read it
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16:37<Class>i dont have private key for root
16:37<Class>i have it for user
16:38<babilen>Class: ~/.ssh should have 700 permissions
16:38<akerl>Ok, how many people have access to your user?
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16:38<Class>its not about how many people have access to my Pc
16:39<ompaul>Class: define the threat please
16:39<Class>theoretical there is chance that my pc can get compromised
16:39<Class>so if this happens all servers are compromised
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16:40<akerl>Class: That's what the passphrase is for. And good security on your pc
16:40<ompaul>Class: don't run windows on it at all and you will be a lot better off :)
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16:40<babilen>Class: You mean that somebody gains root on your machine? How would the attacker know your passphrase?
16:40<Class>i dont have windows
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16:40<ompaul>Class: if the threat was as risky as you suggest then we would be using other models for security
16:40<Class>passphrase can be bruted
16:41<TCW>Class, encrypted fs
16:41<ompaul>Class: how many wrappers do you want around the sweetie?
16:41<Class>i just want extra security
16:41<TCW>And a good passphrase of course
16:41<babilen>Class: It is, just in the same way, theoretically possible that some three letter agency abducts you and beats the password out of you. If somebody gains root on your computer it is already too late. No level of security will help you.
16:41<akerl>Class: If someone has compromised root on your pc, you're screwed anyway
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16:42<Class>im not toking about root user
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16:42<moon>Hi, I have successfull install debian Squeeze on my laptop but when I start I'm not in the graphical mode. What can I do?(Sorry for my very very bad english but i'M french)
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16:42<TCW>babilen, akerl, not if he uses for his ~ or ~/.ssh a seperate FS with a seperate decryption password :)
16:42<Class>it can be stolen without root permission
16:43<ompaul>Class: remove the keys put them on a usb key encrypt it and only plug it in when you have need of it
16:43<Class>token is the best staff i thing
16:43<akerl>TCW: Granted. But then we revert to the three letter agency + waterboard scenario
16:43<babilen>moon: If you prefer there are french channels → #debian-fr -- You most likely do not have a graphical login manager such as gdm3 installed.
16:43<daemonkeeper>moon: If you prefer, you can join #debian-fr
16:43<Class>ompaul, ya thats what i thought
16:43<Class>just wanted to asked someone
16:43<Class>what they used
16:43<ompaul>Class: but that is just silly - because you lose that key how do you get into the box
16:44<moon>Nobody answer in the #debian-fr chan ^^'
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16:44<Class>ompaul, with another token maybe :-D
16:44<TCW>akerl, which does not happen THAT often ;)
16:44<moon>But, anyway, Thanks :D
16:44<akerl>Class: Except that if someone has compromised your PC, (root or user), they can get your box to send them the key when you use it
16:44<akerl>Class: Or just, you know, steal the USB key
16:44<babilen>moon: You could try #debian-fr on -- It is twice as large as the one over here. But do you have gdm3 (or xdm, slime, kdm) installed?
16:45<Class>akerl, you mean simple usb stick ?
16:46<moon>I think a have, but a person answer to me, don't worry. Thanks anyway =D
16:46<babilen>moon: Ok, good luck!
16:46<daemonkeeper>Well, babilen was answering you as well.
16:46<TCW>moon, but your english does not sound that bad either... :)
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16:46<babilen>moon: But if you prefer help in french I am fine with that. You can always come back.
16:47<TCW>I guess half of all people in here are not native english speakers... and in general we do understand each other nevertheless ;)
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16:47<moon>Thank's all ! =D
16:47<daemonkeeper>3 of 4
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16:49<ompaul>Class: lesson one in security - the man with the 100' walls gets attacked more than the man with the same size as all his neighbours and all walls have gates
16:49<Class>yep English is not my native language for me too moon
16:49<moon>Well finally there is no answer. How can I check if I have Gdm, Xfce, or others things like that installed?
16:49<TCW>daemonkeeper, dunno... there's GB and Ireland, the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.... but anyway, I have no idea :)
16:50<Class>moon, dpkg -l | grep gdm
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16:50<TCW>moon, dpkg -l <package name>
16:50<moon>Finally I stay on #debian the atmosphere is better =D
16:50<moon>Okay, I boot on my debian and I try that (I'm on Xubuntu -shame- now)
16:51<Class>ompaul, okay according to your logic you can set password like 1234 and nobody will guess because its such a weak
16:51<moon>Thx =)
16:51<Class>but in life this does not works like this at all
16:51<TCW>moon, oops... in general exactly when that word falls... support stops! :)
16:51<notr00t>hi, i was pointed here from #debian-live. if anyone has knowledge, i'm in need of some help booting an OS contained in an encrypted dmcrypt device from an already-running live CD. specifically, once i get the live CD running, i can mount the encrypted drive, but i want to boot the system that's contained in it
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16:51<daemonkeeper>TCW: Most Debian users (and developers) reside somewhere in Europe. Finally most of the countries you mentioned have (rather large) non English speaking minorities. If you want to discuss this any further -> #debian-offtopic
16:51<notr00t>i can use kexec to switch to the other kernel, but i'm unclear on how to ensure the new kernel can read the encrypted system
16:52<TCW>daemonkeeper, as I really don't mind... I guess not :)
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16:52<moon>TCW, Lol ! I knew that (X)Ubuntu was not appreciated but at this point .. ;D
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16:53<TCW>moon, we may manage to ignore it this time, yes ;)
16:53<moon>TCW, Thank you, you are now in the waiting list to be my living god.
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16:54<babilen>moon: Well, boot into Debian and give us the output of "dpkg -l 'gdm*' kdm slim"
16:55<TCW>moon, *eeks*
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16:55<moon>babilen, okay. See you in 2 minutes :)
16:56<babilen>yup, cya
16:56<TCW>moon, just an expression of shock :)
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16:59<debnov>I tried doing a dist-upgrade, which fails cause I don't have enough space, I tried removing openoffice, apt-get remove openoffice*; now I have a few unmet dependancies which apt-get -f install doesn't fix anything I try with apt now tells me to try apt-get -f install
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17:00<debnov>glib-networking: Depends: libgnutls26...
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17:01<TCW>debfor the "not enough space" thing... no external harddrive available?
17:01<TCW>debnov, even
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17:01<debnov>libnepomukquery4a: Depends libkdecore5 (= 4:4.6.3-3) but is not installed
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17:02<debnov>I do have some space on external hd
17:02<moon_>Back. The command return : no paquage corresponding to 'gdm*', no paquage corresponding to kdm, no paquage corresponding to slim.
17:02<TCW>debso next time link that to /var/cache/apt/archives
17:02<TCW>debnov, even
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17:02<moon_>I have no desktop manager :o
17:03<TCW>moon_, what is your prefered desktop envirnonment?
17:03<moon_>I usually use Xfce, but I wan't to try Gnome, why not.
17:04<sney>what does it look like when you log in?
17:04<TCW>moon_, then then apt-get install gdm3
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17:04<moon_>Okay ! Thanks for your help, TCW. I'll keep you informed.
17:04<TCW>moon_, and maybe you wanna install a text irc client as well ;)
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17:06<debnov>ok next time, but will it amke a difference now with my unmet dependancies
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17:06<moon_>No thanks I prefer graphical mode ^^
17:06<TCW>moon_, I mean if something goes wrong while in text mode... so you do not need to reboot all the time
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17:07<moon_>oh. so i use : apt-get install <name_of_the_paquage?>
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17:07<TCW>moon_, if you prefere apt-get, yes... but in general today aptitude is prefered
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17:08<TCW>but the syntax is (almost) the same
17:08<moon_>What's the syntax ?
17:08<TCW>for this try aptitude install <package name> :)
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17:08<moon_>and do you have and IRC client has advice me?
17:09<moon_>I use Xchat, now.
17:09<sney>I like xchat
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17:09<moon_>the name of the paquage is xchat?
17:09<daemonkeeper>Feel free to use whatever you want
17:09<babilen>moon_: Do you have a GUI running or are you working on the console?
17:09<moon_>It's juste fot
17:10<babilen>fot? nothing?
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17:10<daemonkeeper>Its xchat, you can also seek for packages, use "apt-cache search keyword"
17:10<TCW>moon_, on text mode, irssi
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17:10<moon_>Forget, I was wrong
17:10<moon_>Okay thank you
17:10<babilen>moon_: If you use irssi, come here with "/connect" and join the channel with "/join #debian"
17:11<babilen>moon_: The name of the package is irssi and you can install it with "aptitude install irssi"
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17:11<TCW>I would have bet it would be /server
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17:12<daemonkeeper> /server is a xchatism I think
17:12<moon_>You are really great. Really ! See you :D
17:12<sney>/server works in every irc client I've ever used
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17:13<TCW>daemonkeeper, nope... tested a second ago... /server works
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17:13<babilen>yeah, works in irssi too -- but it will close existing connections to other servers and I use /connect as this does not
17:13<debnov>how do I solve my "E: unable to correct dependencies" in apt
17:13<babilen>!tell debnov -about bat
17:13<TCW>babilen, ahh... nice to know
17:14<sney>debnov: check your messages
17:14<babilen>debnov: Please provide the information dpkg just told you about. Create a single pastebin on
17:14<babilen>debnov: You ... ah, thanks sney :)
17:15<debnov>thanks guys
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17:16<debnov>do you know how I can use paste.debian from CLI
17:16<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
17:16<sney>debnov: with pastebinit
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17:20<moon>Back :D. So. Very, very bad problems.
17:20<TCW>btw. where does the dpkg command "bat" come from?
17:20<TCW>moon, here with irssi?
17:21<moon>The system can't find "apt-get" in the /usr/bin/apt-get directory
17:21<moon>Same for aptitude
17:21<TCW>moon, did you try as user or as root?
17:21<moon>So I can't install irssi, gdm too
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17:21<sney>moon: that's very strange.
17:21<moon>What's the passwd for root? I use "su".
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17:22<daemonkeeper>You set it yourself
17:22<TCW>moon, err... the one who installed the sustem should know the root password :)
17:22<TCW>system even
17:22<moon>Oh yeah. I know it x)
17:22<TCW>moon, you can use "su" ti become root...
17:22<moon>TCW : I use 'Su".
17:23<moon>But I retry
17:23<TCW>moon, lower case "s" please :)
17:23<moon>yeah, "su"
17:23<TCW>moon, and that does ask for the root password?
17:23<TCW>moon, and try "su -"
17:23<TCW>with a dash
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17:24<TCW>oh... wait... he could chroot in his debian install... would be a lot easier I think
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17:25<moon>I enter "su apt-get install gdm3". It returns apt-get it's not an account so I use "su moon apt-get install gdm3" and then I enter my passwd :/
17:25<moon>But "The system can't find "apt-get" in the /usr/bin/apt-get directory"
17:25<TCW>moon, then you do use "su" wrong ;)
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17:26<Renekton>hi all
17:26<TCW>moon, just "su -" enter root password and then aptitude (or apt-get) install...
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17:27<moon>I just Ubuntu that's why I suck :/
17:27<TCW>moon, I mean hit "enter" after you typed in "su -" :)
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17:27<moon>Okay I try it
17:27<Renekton>how have I edit fstab to mount on boot sshfs?
17:27<moon>Thanks you very very much :D
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17:29<debnov>I tried: wget --postfile finstall.txt '' but all it returns is index.html saved
17:30<dvs>debnov: use
17:31<debnov>I also Internal server error
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17:32<moon>Back ! su - works ! But... OTHER PROBLEM ! :X
17:32<moon>The system don't find any package.
17:32<moon>irssi / gdm3 ... apt-get / aptitude works but no packages find
17:33<devil>moon: apt-get update might fix that
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17:33<moon>devil, i try it, Thank you.
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17:37<Renekton>Class: I know how to use fstab, but have problem to mount at boot
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17:41<debnov>I tried: wget --post-file finstall.txt '' but get no url returned
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17:42<moon>Back, apt-get update don't change anything.
17:43<devil>moon: then your sources.list must be bad
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17:44<devil>moon: you can pastebin it to
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17:44<moon>devil, what should I do?
17:44<moon>devil, Okay, thanks.
17:46<moon>If I reinstall Ubuntu, it would be better?
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17:47<debnov>moon: but how to do this from shell
17:47<moon>Google trad x_x
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17:47<moon>The word "Debian" become "Ubuntu" :(
17:48<debnov>oh I should have addressed devil
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17:48<moon>So, If I re-install Debian, from a CD, it would be better?
17:49<daemonkeeper>You don't have to reinstall Linux all the time.
17:49<daemonkeeper>It might be easy to fix your problem
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17:51<moon>3 people particlulier helped me I will not bother any longer with repeated problems so I was just wondering if reinstalling would not resolve these
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17:52<daemonkeeper>Perhaps it would, but your problem basically seems very easy to solve
17:53<moon>So can you help me?
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17:53<daemonkeeper>devil gave you a good hint.
17:54<debnov>I have no X, I tried: wget --post-file finstall.txt '' but get no url returned
17:54<TCW>moon, you are on ubuntu right now?
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17:55<streuner>debnov: maybe pastebinit should help
17:55<moon>I know, and I thank him. But I do not know how to use
17:55<daemonkeeper>Same for you
17:55<dpkg>pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit".
17:55<moon>TCW, Yep, on my ***** Xubuntu.
17:56<daemonkeeper>moon: Didn't you want to boot into Debian?
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17:56<daemonkeeper>We can't help you with Ubuntu after all
17:56<TCW>moon, so I suggest you "chroot" into your debian install... then you do not need to reboot all the time to get at least the basic stuff fixed
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17:57<moon>My problem is not related to Ubuntu, daemonkeeper.
17:57<TCW>moon, you know what "chroot" means?
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17:57<moon>No :(
17:58<daemonkeeper>Paste output of "mount" to a pastebin.
17:58<debnov>unfortunately I have unmet dependencies in apt and can't install anything and it is the output of apt that I want to pastebin
17:59<TCW>moon, open a terminal, become root (sudo su-) and then fdisk -l, paste the output and tell us what device the debian install is on
17:59<daemonkeeper>debnov: Paste apt-cache policy
17:59<daemonkeeper>TCW: + mount
17:59<streuner>debnov: install pastebinit and tell us the output of your /etc/apt-sources.list and what daemonkeeper told you, please.
17:59<TCW>daemonkeeper, if it is already mounted... otherwise I do not see the benefit of it
18:00<daemonkeeper>TCW: Well, you need to know where Ubuntu is installed ...
18:00<streuner>debnov: /etc/apt/sources.list, of course
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18:00<TCW>daemonkeeper, hmmm... good point, indeed :D
18:00<codinGenesis>anyone has idea to how to close an open proxy ??
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18:01<TCW>debnov, you do not chat from the computer that has the issue?
18:01<streuner>if you are the owner of the machine?
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18:03<streuner>codinGenesis: so i guess you arent, you are able to mail and pray then...
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18:03<TCW>moon, still there? :)
18:04<codinGenesis>i can't get u streuner ??
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18:04<moon>TCW, what Line do you want of the return of "fdisk -l" ?
18:04<streuner>codinGenesis: are you the owner of the open proxy?
18:04<TCW>moon, all of it would be ideal
18:04<manolis>Failed to fetch 404 Not Found
18:04<daemonkeeper>moon: Full output, also include output of "mount"
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18:04<manolis>why does this keep happening on every server I try?
18:04<TCW>moon, see what daemonkeeper said! :)
18:05<codinGenesis>streuner, ya.... i am the owner
18:06<debnov>thanks for the patinece guys but I cannot install pastebinit
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18:06<daemonkeeper>manolis: Your mirror might be outdated or out-of-sync. Choose another one.
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18:07<streuner>unfortunatly there are many open proxies in i-net, but if you are serious, just turn it off from i-net
18:07<manolis>you mean the download server? I've tried about 10 of them, it doesn't seem to solve the problem.
18:07<TCW>debnov, on what box do you chat right now?
18:07<codinGenesis>how to turn off the open proxy from my computer....!!!
18:07<daemonkeeper>manolis: I mean the mirror. There are plenty
18:08<CcSsNET>setup a firewall
18:08<r04r>codinGenesis: Try explaining what you mean with that
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18:08<TCW>codinGenesis, I guess you need to tell us a bit more... who says there is an open proxy on your machine running?
18:09<streuner>codinGenesis: we need more details
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18:09<codinGenesis>r84r i want to connect to some other servers on xchat but they are not accepting me, an error comes that you are banned because of open proxy !!
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18:09<daemonkeeper>manolis: What do you have in your sources.list? Your URL looks wrong.
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18:09<codinGenesis>so for that i want to turn my proxy off..
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18:10<manolis>it's a fresh installation actually.
18:10<codinGenesis>this is the reason why i am asking about turning my proxies off...!!!
18:11<r04r>codinGenesis: Contact them and ask them why they're detecting you as an open proxy. Either you're sending xchat through a proxy, or your IP is flagged as a proxy is some blacklists, or you have some of the common proxy ports open. Ask them.
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18:11<moon>daemonkeeper / TCW : How I can have "mount" ?
18:11<daemonkeeper>manolis: Could it be you actually meant
18:11<migueelb>Hello everybody
18:11<daemonkeeper>moon: That's a command, you need to type it as root
18:11<TCW>moon, open a terminal (konsole / xterm / gnome-terminal / whatever) and type "mount" in it
18:12<TCW>daemonkeeper, mount is as user enough
18:12<codinGenesis>do people hack into your computers if you have your proxies open ??
18:12<moon>Aaah ! Okay!
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18:12<r04r>codinGenesis: Do you even know what a proxy is? If not: Google.
18:12<moon>So : Mount = /dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro,commit=0)
18:12<moon>proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
18:12<moon>none on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
18:12<moon>fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
18:12<moon>none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
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18:13<migueelb>moon can you tell me what's the channel of debian in spanish please :)
18:13<streuner>!es migueelb
18:13<dpkg>migueelb: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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18:14<migueelb>thanks :)
18:14<TCW>migueelb, interesting... you ask the ONE guy that was not around anymore ;)
18:15<codinGenesis>hey if i know someone's ip address than can i hack into it's computer ???
18:15<daemonkeeper>TCW: True, but since fdisk needs root privileges as does chroot, he better starts becoming root sooner than later
18:15<r04r>codinGenesis: No.
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18:16<codinGenesis>r04r: :) ok
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18:18<TCW>re moon ;)
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18:19<moon>TCW re ;D
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18:20<moon>Mount =
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18:21<moon>Fdisk -l =
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18:21<manolis>thanks, daemonkeeper
18:21<TCW>/dev/sda6 is your Debian install?
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18:22<daemonkeeper>Most likely it is
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18:23<moon>I think ... My u* is on the /dev/sda1 ... I think.
18:24<moon>Yes, it's the sda6 likely.
18:24<daemonkeeper>moon: Operan a terminal, make sure you are root, then do: mkdir /tmp/debian; mount /dev/sda6 /tmp/debian; chroot /tmp/debian
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18:24<TCW>moon, I'd suggest mkdir /mnt/debian but what daemonkeeper says is ok too :)
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18:26<moon>daemonkeeper, the command don't works.
18:26<daemonkeeper>Which one?
18:26<migueelb>Excuse me does anyone know who is the person that gives the mails with the domain of debian?
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18:27<daemonkeeper>moon: This are three commands actually
18:27<moon>I know
18:27<debnov>apt-cache policy at
18:27<moon>It's an error from me.
18:27<TCW>moon, which one did not work and what error message did you get?
18:28<debnov>oops that was sources.list
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18:29<moon> mkdir /tmp/debian -> The file exist
18:29<daemonkeeper>debnov: There is no testing-updates
18:29<migueelb>what do you wanna mount
18:29<debnov>apt-cache policy at
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18:29<daemonkeeper>moon: That's ok, if you already tried to enter this command once
18:29<migueelb>If you wanna mount something first you've to know what device is
18:29<migueelb>fdisk -l
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18:30<migueelb>Then you create the directory
18:30<migueelb>For example
18:30<migueelb>mkdir /mnt/example
18:30<debnov>so should I delete those lines?
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18:30<migueelb>After that you do this
18:30<migueelb>mount -a /dev/sd"letra" /mnt/example
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18:30<migueelb>and that's all
18:31<moon>Migueelb -> Me?
18:31<streuner>debnov: they looks fine to me
18:31<daemonkeeper>moon: Where are you stuck now? If the directory exists, that's fine. Just go on.
18:31<migueelb>if the directory exists
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18:32<migueelb>then you go to the next step
18:32<TCW>moon, best concentrate on one guy for the moment :)
18:32<migueelb>I'm agree, sorry :)
18:32<daemonkeeper>streuner: There is no testing-updates, you are, however, right, that's not the problem
18:32<moon>Good Idea :D
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18:33<TCW>moon, so what was the error? What command did fail? What message did you get back?
18:34<TCW> is still there if what you paste exceeds two lines ;)
18:34<moon>No error i'm just very very tired ^^. The directory is create now.
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18:34<moon>So, I "Just go on"
18:34<streuner>debnov: we still need the output of your sources.list with the error(s) you got (dist-upgrade)
18:34<debnov>apt-get upgrade
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18:35<daemonkeeper>moon: Yep, go on with mount ... as I said above
18:35<debnov>is that my old sources.list before the dist-upgrade?
18:35<TCW>moon, so then, as root: chroot /tmp/debian
18:35<streuner>debnov: yeah, just show us your sources.list now
18:35<TCW>moon, err... sorry... stop! :)
18:36<moon>TCW What? :$
18:36<daemonkeeper>moon: Nothing, TCW was just too fast
18:36<TCW>moon, we did forget: mount /dev/sda6 /tmp/debian if not already happend :)
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18:37<moon>Ok, I do mount /dev/sda6 /tmp/debian
18:37<daemonkeeper>debnov: What suggests you "apt-get -f install"?
18:37<moon>Then (i'm in root) I do chroot /tmp/debian, that's it?
18:38<daemonkeeper>You should see no apparent output.
18:38<TCW>moon, so now you shpudl be in your debian installation... nice, isn't it? ;)
18:38<TCW>should even
18:39<debnov>apt-get -f install is at
18:39<TCW>moon, so first. try apt-get (or aptitude) update, see if it works
18:39<daemonkeeper>debnov: Can you try apt-get upgrade?
18:40<moon>But i'm always in my u* terminal, that's it?
18:40<moon>Ok, I try.
18:40<daemonkeeper>moon: Where you entered the chroot ... command before
18:40<TCW>moon, yes... that is ok
18:40<debnov>apt-get upgrade is at
18:40<TCW>moon, if you want you can paste everything from that terminal so we can assure you all is ok :)
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18:41<daemonkeeper>debnov: wtf, apt-get update?
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18:41<daemonkeeper>TCW: Perhaps make him output lsb_release -a
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18:42<debnov>apt-get update is at
18:42<TCW>daemonkeeper, true....
18:42<moon>The terminal say I have to enter the CD of Debian Squeeze but It's done and after typing enter, the same thing append
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18:42<TCW>moon, daemonkeeper suggested (and I agree) the output in that chrooted-thingy of "lsb_release -a" would be worth a paste too
18:43<dpkg> takes forever to load, makes us enter a captcha to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please either link the raw paste ( or use a different site, like
18:43<TCW>monok... check if nano /etc/apt/sources.list works, as root
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18:43<TCW>moon, even, last line was for you :)
18:43<daemonkeeper>debnov: That looks good. can you try apt-get dist-upgrade now?
18:43<sney>debnov: and what happens if you do apt-get -f install, as it suggests?
18:44<sney>or that
18:44<debnov>apt-get -f install is at
18:44<sney>aptitude has better dependency resolution anyway. but
18:44<sney>try dist-upgrade as daemonkeeper suggested
18:44<moon>TCW : English a bit too complicated for me. I do "lsb_release -a" and I paste it?
18:44<moon>the output*
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18:45<TCW>moon, yes
18:45<moon>TCW, okay, thx :)
18:45<debnov>sorry guys I have no X and perl is not working so I cannot install
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18:46<moon>TCW : I can't type anything, because I answer to me "Enter the CD of Debian Squeeze". i close the terminal and re-login in root?
18:47<debnov>dist-upgrade says the same...unmet dependencies
18:47<TCW>moon, you can paste everything... but hit ctrl+c that will interrupt that... thing
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18:48<moon>TCW : lol, thx !
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18:49<moon>Bash : lsb_release : Unknow command :/
18:49<daemonkeeper>Well, we don't need it anymore :>
18:49<TCW>moon, and please, do NOT close this window until said so! See it as the holy grail :)
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18:49<daemonkeeper>Luckily you proofed you're in Debian
18:49<daemonkeeper>By your apt output
18:49<TCW>daemonkeeper, *lool*
18:50<debnov>apt-get dist-upgrade is at
18:50<TCW>moon, but a cat /etc/debian_version would be nice anyway :)
18:50<daemonkeeper>TCW: Not particularly, Ubuntu also tells it would be Debian there ...
18:51<moon>--> 6.0.1
18:51<TCW>daI just want to make sure what release it is, so if all fails we can instruct him to download the right packages and move it to /tmp/debian/dmp/.... :)
18:51<TCW>daemonkeeper, even
18:51<sney>current ubuntu releases show wacky things like 'lenny/sid' in debian_version anyway, so it's still a clue
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18:51<debnov>for me...5.0.8
18:52<daemonkeeper>Yes, that's exactly what I meant sney
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18:53<TCW>moon, so back to your sources.list... open another terminal, enter: gksu gedit /tmp/debian/etc/apt/sources.list, paste everything in that file
18:53<moon>TCW, Okay.
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18:54<moon>No output
18:54<moon>No things append
18:55<daemonkeeper>Did you open this file accidentally in your chroot?
18:55<TCW>moon, oops? Let me check....
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18:56<TCW>moon, gks gedit should launch gedit with root privileges and open the specified file /tmp/debian/etc/apt/sources.list in it...
18:56<TCW>gksu even
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18:57<moon>I don't have Gedit ^
18:57<moon>I try with just gksu
18:57<daemonkeeper>moon: Which editor and desktop environment are you using in Ubuntu?
18:57<daemonkeeper>If you are familiar with a text editor that's fine either
18:58<daemonkeeper>You can even do "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" in your chrooted shell
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18:58<TCW>moon, any texteditor works... just try to avoid abirword or oowriter if possible ;)
18:58<moon>Xfce, and MousePad.
18:58<moon>Okay :)
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19:00<moon>sources.list :
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19:01<TCW>moon, oh... you have all need already in...
19:01<sney>ah so you need a main mirror
19:01<TCW>oops... misread that line, sorry :)
19:01<sney>TCW: watch the #s
19:02<sney>!squeeze sources.list
19:02<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb squeeze main" and "deb squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
19:02<TCW>sney, yeah yeah :)
19:02<daemonkeeper>moon: You can basically overwrite your sources.list by a new, clean one.
19:02<daemonkeeper>Follow sney's hint.
19:02<daemonkeeper>Or dpkg's even
19:02<debnov>any ideas how to fix my unmet dependencies
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19:03<sney>debnov: try with aptitude -f install this time
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19:04<quant>hello, can anyone using openbox tell me their usual way to launch applications? keyboard shortcuts or terminal or...?
19:04<moon>Sney, I type it where?
19:04<sney>same place as apt-get
19:05<sney>moon: sorry, I got confused
19:05<moon>sney, ?
19:05<sney>moon: add the line from dpkg's hint to your sources.list file
19:05<sney>moon: it can be anywhere in the file so long as it has a line by itself, with no #
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19:06<daemonkeeper>moon: you can even remove everything you have in your sources.list by now. You have nothing important in it
19:06<SynrG>quant: either the terminal, menu from my panel (lxpanel) or icons on the panel.
19:07<SynrG>before lxpanel i used other panels. before that, i simply right-clicked the desktop to bring up the menu
19:07<quant>SynrG, hm... for example gui programs like iceweasel and gimp, I guess you usually run that through icons and terminal programs through terminal? I'm using tint2 (no icons)
19:07<moon>sney -> I don't understand the thing with dpkg :x
19:08<debnov>aptitude is upgrading 2 packages and removing 278...
19:08<daemonkeeper>moon: Don't worry, you have your sources.list file still open, right?
19:08<SynrG>quant: not necessarily. frequently accessed things from the panel. less frequently accessed things i know the name of, from the terminal. and of course, terminal things from the terminal.
19:08<daemonkeeper>So append to that file (or even overwrite everything else) by "deb squeeze main" and "deb squeeze/updates main"
19:08<SynrG>the menu for the rest
19:08<daemonkeeper>moon: Those are two lines.
19:10<moon>Deamonkeeper : Okay, thank you VERY VERY much <3
19:10<moon>And after ? :$
19:10<daemonkeeper>Save the file, switch to your chroot again and do "apt-get update"
19:10<babilen>moon: I will now ease your life .... try: "bab<TAB>" in your IRC client .. (without the "")
19:11<quant>SynrG, ok, still getting into openbox style of doing things, so wanted some advice on common practices... I have tint2 and I'll set up feh for now... I could probably add some small icons too somewhere
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19:11<SynrG>quant: not sure if that is 'common' practice. you just asked for what random people do
19:11<moon>babilen, GREAT !
19:11<SynrG>i'm probably not representative :)
19:11<quant>SynrG, I was hoping for a bigger sample of responses :)
19:11<moon>babilen, Thanks =D
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19:13<babilen>moon: No problem ... remember: task completion works for almost everything :) (you know, its the little things too)
19:13<moon>daemonkeeper, The output is a lot of errors.
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19:13<daemonkeeper>moon: You know my next suggestion I believe ...
19:13<quant>SynrG, do you set up many keyboard shortcuts for programs?
19:13<moon>Search by myself?
19:13<daemonkeeper>moon: No, paste the output :)
19:14<moon>(It's in french)
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19:14<sney>moon: you can do the command again with LANG=C in front, then paste
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19:14<daemonkeeper>moon: I guess we can decrypt it. If you like us, re-run the command with "LC_ALL=C" prependent
19:15<moon>I like you, yes :P
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19:15<quant>SynrG, also any other suggestions for a starting openbox user would be welcome
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19:16<moon>apt-get update :
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19:16<daemonkeeper>moon: Paste your /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf
19:17<daemonkeeper>Well, actually only the latter matters
19:18<moon>/etc/network/interfaces : No permition. /etc/resolv.conf : Don't exist
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19:18<daemonkeeper>In your chroot
19:19<TCW>moon, as root?
19:19<moon>Yes ! :x
19:19<daemonkeeper>I doubt that :)
19:19<TCW>moon, if in doubt, paste all and everything you typed in that terminal window
19:19<moon>Want a screenshot? x)
19:20<TCW>including all that is in front of your command and after it
19:20<TCW>moon, the plain text is ebough ;)
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19:20<daemonkeeper>moon: Anyway: Do "echo -e 'nameserver\nnameserver' > /etc/resolv.conf" in your chroot
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19:21<moon>Done :
19:21<TCW>moon, err... :)
19:21<daemonkeeper>Well, you didn't prepend cat to the files :)
19:21<TCW>moon, you did try to EXECUTE those files
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19:22<daemonkeeper>You tried to execute them
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19:22<SynrG>quant: key shortcuts? no. i type quickly and accurately. that's not really necessary
19:22<moon>Oh :X
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19:22<SynrG>quant: as for beginner advice, hmm. haven't been one of those in nearly a decade :/
19:23<moon>"echo -e 'nameserver\nnameserver' > /etc/resolv.conf" -> Done
19:23<daemonkeeper>(I'm still surprised _anyone_ can read this ciphertext like "bash: /etc/resolv.conf: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type")
19:23<quant>SynrG, on one of what? :)
19:23<SynrG>quant: check out the openbox site. some good stuff there
19:23<SynrG>quant: beginner with openbox
19:23<SynrG>i don't quite recall ... 2002? 2003?
19:23<TCW>moon, apt-get update again
19:24<quant>SynrG, I have no problems getting it configured etc., but I'm looking for some info on how people usually go about doing the usual stuff in it
19:24<moon>Don't do anything
19:24<daemonkeeper>What do you mean by "doesn't do anything"?
19:24<TCW>moon, pardon? paste
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19:25<moon>Pardon? :o
19:25<moon>Okay, I paste.
19:25<TCW>moon, I suggest, paste everything from now on! ;)
19:25<moon>Ok xD
19:25<daemonkeeper>(or give TCW a root shell :p)
19:25<TCW>nahh... not this night :) it is almost 1:30 am here :)
19:25<SynrG>quant: I do use two custom key shortcuts to facilitate disconnection/reconnection to new wireless networks as they zip by when i'm on public transit.
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19:26<quant>ok :)
19:26<SynrG>quant: aside from that, i haven't found any use for them
19:26<daemonkeeper>moon: Remove the last "
19:26<daemonkeeper>You accidentally included it in your paste
19:26<daemonkeeper>When copying me
19:27<moon>But do the same thing with or without x)
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19:27<daemonkeeper>Hit ctrl+c before ...
19:27<TCW>yes, do it again, without the last "
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19:28<TCW>oh... and the ctrl+s may be essential too *lol*
19:28<TCW>ctrl+c even
19:28<quant>SynrG, any suggestion for an icon program to run alongside tint2?
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19:28<moon>Something charge, it's a good sign.
19:29<moon>Ok ! apt-get works !
19:29<SynrG>quant: icon ... program?
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19:29<quant>SynrG, small dock or something :)
19:30<SynrG>you could do worse than lxpanel, or fbpanel which is the one it is based upon, i think
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19:30<quant>ok, cheers for all the advice
19:30<daemonkeeper>moon: Can you show us /etc/network/interfaces now, altogether with /etc/network/interfaces from your Ubuntu
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19:30<newb>Hello! I'm with Gnome3 on Debian, but at application list Gnome shows a lot of apps without icons, making the look ugly. I see this happens with all applications from "Debian" menu. How can I fix this?
19:31<daemonkeeper>newb: Not at all, you're using unofficial packages
19:31<sney>you are probably just missing an icon theme package
19:32<TCW>moon, great... now you can install all and everything you want... say "bbep" when all is done :)
19:32<newb>daemonkeeper: but debian menu aren't from gnome3 packages, there are some other package generating this menus I don't discovered yet
19:32<TCW>beep even (crap, this keyboard must suck like hell!)
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19:33<moon>daemonkeeper, auto lo iface lo inet loopback
19:33<sney>newb: you are probably just missing an icon theme package! search for 'icon-theme'
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19:33<TCW>newb, what release do you use?
19:33<moon>daemonkeeper, in two lines
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19:33<daemonkeeper>moon: So you miss a network setup. How do you connect to the Internet in Ubuntu?
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19:34<moon>Wi-fi, daemonkeeper.
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19:34<TCW>moon, network manager applet?
19:34<daemonkeeper>In network-manager or what?
19:34<newb>TCW, daemonkeeper, sney: debian menus generate entries for applications like "bc", who have no icons, and duplicate entries for applications like amsn, but with low resolution png icons. I'm with squeeze.
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19:34<TCW>newb, squeeze does not have gnome3
19:34<moon>I don't know, the name is not the same in french.
19:34<sney>newb: I will say it one more time. icon theme package.
19:34<streuner>Who want support ubuntu here?
19:34<TCW>moon, say it in french then
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19:35<TCW>moon, I guess your wifi network is encrypted?
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19:35<TCW>moon, in a ubuntu-terminal (not the chrrot one) lspci, paste
19:36<TCW>moon, wep? gees!
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19:36<newb>sney: I'm installing all icon themes package now to test :D
19:37<sney>newb: if you don't get your icons back that way, then it *is* a gnome3 issue, and you'll have to take it up with the maintainer of whatever third party repository you used.
19:37<newb>TCW: ooops, relally sorry! Not squeeze, I've changed to testing! And gnome3 (only) from experimental
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19:37<daemonkeeper>Well, at this point I give up. I have no clue about network-manager stuff. You seem to be familiar with this cruft, so you may want to take over TCW. My suggestion would be: Make sure he has all firmware drivers and network-manager plugins, leave the chroot reboot into Debian and try to configure network.
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19:37<newb>streuner: Ubuntu: , channel #ubuntu
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19:37<moon>daemonkeeper, Anyway, Thank you so so so much for you help =D
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19:38<debnov>this dependency thing is really killing me
19:38<moon>You are courageous to support a noob like me :)
19:38<dpkg>ipw2200 is a driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 (802.11bg) and 2915 (802.11a/bg) chipsets, included in mainline since Linux 2.6.15. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package to provide. #ipw2100 on
19:39<sney>moon: you need that ^ for your wireless. or you will anyway.
19:39<TCW>daemonkeeper, I a a lazy guy... I was about to suggest him to install xfce / gnome and see what wifi card he has (beecause of firmware issues) but... let's see :)
19:39<debnov>i tried aptitude -f install and after aptitude upgrade
19:39<streuner>debnov: its still testing, isnt it? ;-)
19:39<debnov>pastebinit is now broken
19:39<TCW>moon, that chip is fine
19:39<streuner>pastebinit is broken too? well, still testing...
19:39<daemonkeeper>TCW: sney already told us that firmware is required
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19:40<debnov>i expect my problems would be the same in any release
19:40<TCW>daemonkeeper, yes... I meant it is supported in debian...
19:40<debnov>my current problems anyway
19:40<streuner>debnov: not in stable
19:40<daemonkeeper>Sure, include non-free sources and install firmware-ipw2x00.
19:40<newb>sney, TCW: What package generates debian menus? Gnome uses 128x128 icons (I think), but the icons from debian menus continues (even with icons install) without or with 32x32 (or some little size) yet
19:40<daemonkeeper>(this holds for you as well moon)
19:41<TCW>moon, so... is there a traffic limit on your internet connection? How fast is it?
19:41<TCW>newb, no idea about gnome3
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19:41<newb>sney, TCW: agree that this may be simply because the menu entries do not include icon sizes large enough?
19:41<sney>newb: 'menu' does. also, if you're using anything from experimental, you should expect breakage
19:41<moon>TCW, 54 Mb/s
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19:42<moon>TCW, no limit ... I think? :x
19:42<sney>moon: not your wifi, your uplink
19:42<TCW>moon, not your wifi link, the internet connection...
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19:42<sney>moon: would show
19:42<daemonkeeper>moon: Basically the same game again. Open your /etc/apt/sources.list, append "contrib non-free" to your line starting with "deb" straight after main, do apt-get update then apt-get install firmware-ipw2x00. Afterwards you still have to configure network manager, but that's definitively out of my scope
19:43<debnov>so I changed my sources to stable, did an update and and an upgrade and I still get E: Unable to correct dependencies...#
19:43<streuner>too late
19:43<streuner>i guess
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19:44<sney>debnov: you may be able to purge the affected packages, finish your testing upgrade, and then try installing the software again
19:44<streuner>well, you are using testing, and you have to deal with that now, ohterwise you have to reinstall
19:44<sney>moon: ok, 12Mbit down. that's average
19:45<moon>daemonkeeper, Thank you..
19:45<TCW>moon, fast enough, great :)
19:46<TCW>moon, so append contrib and non-free to sources list after main as daemonkeeper said, save the file (the right one... not that you accidently edit the ubuntu one)
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19:46<TCW>moon, after that... what do you want? kde, xfce, gnome?
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19:47<moon>Gnome, I want to try it :)
19:47<TCW>moon, ok... dpkg -l|grep gnome (in the chroot window)
19:47<sney>daemonkeeper: it's worth mentioning that since you gave him google dns,'s locator may not work properly. so he may want to switch to
19:48<daemonkeeper>sney: True.
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19:48<daemonkeeper>sney: But really, that's a minor improvement, moon has greater problems right now :)
19:48<TCW>snorre, oh... right... a fast internet link may not help if the connection to the other side of the worls ducks :)
19:49<moon>apt-get no works with contrib non-free
19:49<sney>indeed. with google dns he'd probably "localize" to UCB or something.
19:49<TCW>moon, *paste*
19:49<moon>I re try in english, and I paste :)
19:49<TCW>I guess even a french error message is ok :)
19:49<daemonkeeper>sney: After all I'd still presume, he will get his provider DNS anyway, as soon as he succeeds to connect to his network afterwards, when dhcp pushes them
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19:50<streuner>TCW: you prefer french?
19:50<sney>moon: contrib and non-free have to go on the SAME LINE as your other entry
19:50<TCW>daemonkeeper, right... bt as far as I see it... we need to install a complete gnome session... that may be better with a more local mirror... we'll see :)
19:50<sney>moon: so it says squeeze main contrib non-free
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19:51<TCW>moon, you did something wrong in sources.list...
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19:51<moon>ah, after !
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19:51<daemonkeeper>Straight after "main"
19:51<TCW>"append "contrib non-free" to your line starting with "deb" straight after main"
19:51<sney>TCW: language barrier
19:52<moon>Yes :/
19:52<TCW>daemonkeeper, but you did construct a really complicated sentence there :p
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19:52<daemonkeeper>TCW: Sorry, my French is not existent :
19:52<TCW>sney, I know... I just wanted to bash daemonkeeper a bit *hides* :)
19:52<TCW>moon, fixed?
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19:54<cthuluh>moon: next time ask on a french speaking chan ;)
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19:55<TCW>cthuluh, but he did like the atmosphere here more :)
19:56<streuner>TCW: you are joking, arent you? :-)
19:56<nodisc>yep, french chan is sleeping
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19:57<cthuluh>"atmosphere, atmosphere... est ce que j'ai une gueule d'atmosphere ?"
19:57<streuner>its almost 2AM in france...
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19:57<daemonkeeper>Well, there is also Canada
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19:57<streuner>hehe, true :-)
19:57-!-john is now known as complex
19:57<cthuluh>the chan being sleepy doesn't mean that there no one awake behind his keyboard
19:58<TCW>and half of africa does speak french too! :)
19:58<newb>sney, TCW: Remove of menu-xdg package remove the menu entries with that problem... What this can cause on my system?
19:58<TCW>newb, again... no idea about gnome3 stuff
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19:58<daemonkeeper>TCW: Having (almost) the same time zone though
19:58<complex>hi there im worndering can sum 1 use ssh and help me set up my flash player on debian plz ive been trying for hours and still no closr to resolving it it woud be greatly appreciated thanks
19:59<nodisc>(btw, still no idea about my backlight problem?...)
19:59<TCW>re moon_ ... status?
19:59<cthuluh>complex: hahaha. sure, just let me in :>
19:59<moon_>Status of ?
19:59<complex>i mean teamviwer not ssh sorry
19:59<newb>TCW: But menu-xdg it's from default debian packages :(
19:59<complex>i dont know how to set ssh up yet
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20:00<TCW>moon_, you need help, right? :)
20:00<cthuluh>complex: seriously, installing flashplayer is a matter of copying a file in the proper dir. and the wiki has instructions about how to do this
20:00<TCW>newb, I don't mind nevertheless!
20:00<moon_>TCW, Yes ;/
20:00<daemonkeeper>!adobe flash
20:00<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>.
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20:00<nodisc>complex: maybe you did it already, but aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree has always worked for me...
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20:01<TCW>moonso... we are here to help, so we need to know where are you right now, as you may have misssed stuff we said (you had a diconnect?)
20:01<TCW>moon_, even
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20:01<moon_>TCW, :/
20:01<TCW>moon_, ?
20:01<cthuluh>moon_: and, as I said, there's a french speaking channel
20:02<george_>anyone know a vncviewer where the the numpad on the right of the keyboard actually works?
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20:02<nodisc>george_, i think remmina does the trick, let me check
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20:03<moon_>TCW : I lost my internet connection every 1 minute, now :o
20:03<george_>nodisc, I hate how almost all of them don't support the numpad for some reason
20:03<TCW>moon_, that's bad... very very bad...
20:03<nodisc>moon_ what's your problem, maybe i can help you on #debian-fr
20:03<george_>nodisc, I just installed and removed like 3 vnc viewers :/
20:04<streuner>nodisc: we try to help him about 2-3 hours...
20:04<cthuluh>george_: maybe the problem is with the vnc server then? :P
20:04<TCW>moon_, but I suggest we try it nevertheless
20:04<nodisc>george_ if you're running gnome, i suggest you try installing: remmina remmina-gnome remmina-plugin-vnc, it works well
20:04<complex>flash is installed appaerntly 0 upgraded none installed but video just loads a white screen ?
20:04<george_>cthuluh, it's a vnc server running on my android phone
20:04<streuner>nodisc: and his english isnt that bad...
20:05<TCW>moon, ok... dpkg -l|grep gnome (in the chroot window) <- moon_, that one is still missing
20:05<nodisc>complex, what browser are you using?
20:05<complex>nodisc no candidate version found for flashplugin nonfree :(
20:05<complex>i have chromium epiphany and iceweasel
20:06<complex>im using epiphany
20:06<nodisc>complex ok, open a terminal and type: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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20:06<complex>done no disc
20:07<nodisc>complex, do you have a line there like "deb squeeze main" ?
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20:07<daemonkeeper>nodisc: You need contrib (at least) for flash
20:07<daemonkeeper>i.e. Adobe Flash
20:08<complex>will paste in paste bin
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20:08<george_>nodisc, just tried two vnc servers, neither work, I think it's the clients :/
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20:08<complex> < source list
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20:09<moon_>dpkg -l|grep gnome don't do anything.
20:09<dpkg>i haven't a clue, moon_
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20:10<daemonkeeper>complex: Follow dpkg's instructions
20:10<TCW>moon_, ok... so... aptitiude install gnome
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20:10<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell complex about adobe flash
20:10<TCW>moon_, this will be a massive download... but we'll manage :)
20:10<nodisc>complex, you should add a line like this "deb squeeze main contrib non-free"
20:11<nodisc>and run aptitude update; aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
20:11<TCW>moon_, have look at the speed... how fast is it?
20:11<TCW>moon_, the download...
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20:11<nodisc>complex, btw your sources.list looks strange, did you edit it manually?
20:12<complex>i was trying to install flash from help guides and they said type this and that
20:12<complex>but didnt axx source list
20:13<moon_>TCW, It works ;)
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20:13<TCW>moon_, how fast?
20:13<moon_>TCW, 10%
20:13<TCW>moon_, ok, fast enough for 11mbit
20:13<streuner>dpkg, congratulate moon
20:13<dpkg>Woohoo moon, you did it!
20:14<nodisc>complex, you should also remove that "dipconsultants" line (what is it for?)
20:14<daemonkeeper>I wasn't following closely recently, but did you instruct him to get the firmware as well?
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20:14<cthuluh>he's on ubuntu
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20:14<cthuluh>(in a debian chroot)
20:14<complex>../install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz' saved now just tar -zxvf ?
20:14<TCW>moon_, if it stops because the internet connection is gone... just ctrl+c and re-run aptitude install gnome...
20:15<TCW>it will start where it left
20:15<nodisc>complex, no, it should install itself, wait
20:15<cthuluh>and leave an empty dir in /tmp...
20:15<daemonkeeper>cthuluh: I know. Hence I mentioned that. Internet will stop working as soon as he actually reboots into Debian then.
20:15<moon_>TCW, Okayk thx :)
20:15<TCW>moon_, if the connection drops more... we may want to change the debian mirror...
20:15<cthuluh>daemonkeeper: he said he will get a network cable tomorrow ;)
20:16<daemonkeeper>Oh, ok
20:16<complex>nope it just went toe what i said above and stopped loads of lines and number went across screen though like unrealircd motd sort of thing
20:16<TCW>daemonkeeper, the firmware will follow...
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20:16<complex> 5300K .......... .......... ........ 100% 1.81M=3.1s
20:17<complex>./install_flash etc after that
20:17<complex>and it stopped
20:17<nodisc>complex, can you pastebin the output of the last command, please?
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20:18<abrotman>sounds like it installed to me
20:18<moon_>TCW, 40 % :⁾
20:19<TCW>moon_, still between 400 and 900kb/s?
20:19<cthuluh>tell us when it's 50 ;)
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20:19<moon_>TCW, 390 now but ... oh 605 now.
20:20<moon_>TCW, On average yes
20:20<TCW>moon_, I guess we leave it as it is then...
20:21<nodisc>complex, does the terminal show a prompt at the end now? (root@server:/home/john#) If so, i suggest you restart your browser and try flash again now.
20:21<moon_>TCW, Yes ... :)
20:21<complex>ok will do
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20:21<moon_>TCW, Anyway I thank you SO MUCH for your awesome help ! :D
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20:22<TCW>I guess there is nothing we like more than helping ubuntu users getting debian ;)
20:22<streuner>yeah, we like changelings much :-P
20:23<complex>ty nodisc much appreciated working like a treat now :) gr8 value to have flash back moved from windows to debian only just getting used to new things but debian to stay now :)
20:23<TCW>moon_, btw. how did oyu install this debian?
20:24<TCW>you even
20:24<streuner>TCW: if they know whats going on...
20:24<moon_>TCW, With a CD :P
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20:24<TCW>moon_, what kind of CD? And... what did you choose to install there?
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20:25<nodisc>complex, good to know. check the debian wiki for lots of info. Hope we don't have to install flash anymore one day...
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20:25<daemonkeeper>nodisc: You understood the DFSG?
20:26<complex>yeh would be good if was preinstalled with sys i think
20:26<TCW>complex, NACK!
20:26<daemonkeeper>Flash will _never_ be preinstalled
20:26<complex>asking isp for statc ip tomoz and can get my webserver up and running :)
20:26<daemonkeeper>Flash is non-free cruft
20:27<streuner>Flash is a nightmare
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20:27<moon_>Classic CD. And ... I love the Debian philosophy ... I read many things who talk about Debian ... And when I see the Canonical politic... I say STOP. I compare many distributions and I think Debian is the better choice ... With a very good community (it has been proven today) ... The incredible stability, too.
20:27<nodisc>complex, daemonkeeper, i did not think of it that way. I hope one day HTML5 gnash or lightspark render it useless...
20:27<daemonkeeper>That too, streuner
20:27<complex>lol gnash i goo :) i agree there
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20:27<complex>html5 works wiki on youtube :)
20:27<complex>thats flash based
20:27<moon_>And many other things.
20:28<daemonkeeper>No need for Flash anymore, Silverlight is the future! *scnr*
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20:28<streuner>yeah, hmtl5 would be a solution
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20:28<george_>so does anyone know any vnc viewers that work with the numpad in android
20:28<complex>ryt im closing down irc for a bit so i can focus on what im doing spk soon
20:28<nodisc>george_ did you try remmina as i suggested ?
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20:29<george_>nodisc, yeah, it comes as default in debian, doesn't work
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20:30<streuner>daemonkeeper: hehe
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20:31<george_>nodisc, I remember using a program in crunchbang (based on debian) that worked, but don't remember what the name was
20:33<nodisc>truly, my only non-free packages are flashplugin-nonfree, rar/unrar, w64codecs and ttf-mscorefonts-installer. I think they are all sh** , but working without them would be a pain.
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20:35<TCW>moon_, how far is it?
20:35<qaz|2>hi to all
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20:36<moon_>TCW, Hmmm.... Since 1 month I look things about that. but the decision of install ... 3 days ? :p
20:37<moon_>TCW, And you? Did you always use Debian?
20:37<TCW>moon_, err... I mean how far is the download :)
20:37<qaz|2>anybody have problem with nfs4 for file 1gb+?
20:38<moon_>TCW, Oh, I see... The download is finished, then it's a very great list of dpkg
20:38<TCW>moon_, and no... I did even use Windows and DOS before :)
20:38<moon_>TCW, settings of packages, now.
20:39<moon_>TCW, Like so much people ;D
20:39<cthuluh>moon_: trying to forget both ubuntu users and french people? :P
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20:39<cthuluh>there's #debian-offtopic, btw, if you want to chat
20:40<TCW>moon_, if that finishes without errors, next thing would be: aptitude firmware-ipw2x00
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20:40<TCW>moon_, if that finishes without errors, next thing would be: aptitude install firmware-ipw2x00
20:40<moon_>French people no ... But Ubuntu users, why not (a)
20:40<moon_>TCW, Okay.
20:41<TCW>and yes... we could have done both at the same time.... but I did forget :)
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20:41<qaz|2>samba work fine ....mmhhh why nfs4 damage teh file...mmhhhh
20:41<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
20:42<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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20:42<streuner>jhutchins_lt: no need, moon is able to speak english very well, IMO
20:42<TCW>moon_, so... aptitude install gnome firmware-ipw2x00 would have worked too
20:42<jhutchins_lt>streuner: I agree, better than some natives.
20:42<moon_>TCW, Finish.
20:43<jhutchins_lt>moon_: No offence meant.
20:43<moon_>TCW, I use what syntaxt?
20:43<TCW>moon_, pardon?
20:43<moon_>TCW, I use aptitude install gnome firmware-ipw2x00 or aptitude install firmware-ipw2x00
20:44<TCW>moon_, ahh... the last one for sure
20:44<cthuluh>well, since you already have installed gnome....
20:44<qaz|2>I have a little problem with nfs4 : if i try to copy a file 1gb+ from the server to the client and viceversa the file is corrupted (md5sum showing different checksum) , but if I use smb all is ok...
20:44<TCW>moon_, butthe first one would do no harm either
20:44<moon_>I come to understand
20:44<qaz|2>sombody can give me a hand?
20:45<cthuluh>qaz|2: I don't use nfsv4, but I guess some people on do
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20:45<qaz|2>I'll try
20:46<moon_>TCW, Installation done :)
20:46<TCW>qaz|2, try compile a kernel on both machines (no kidding) I guess faulty hardware...
20:46<debnov>you would think aptitude would tell you that you don't have enough space for archives before it starts to download...
20:46<TCW>moon_, dpkg -l|grep linux-image
20:46<qaz|2>samba working fine
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20:46<qaz|2>all md5 are ok and the file is ok
20:47<qaz|2>nfs4 working fine until 1gb after that the md5 is diff
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20:47<cthuluh>qaz|2: a hardware problem adds randomness that can make some apps work and others not work
20:48<cthuluh>(such as memory locations, had disk locations, etc)
20:48<qaz|2>maybe.... you right
20:48<nodisc>qaz|2 are you moving the file to/from the same drives in nfs and samba ?
20:48<qaz|2>same file
20:48<qaz|2>samba ok
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20:49<nodisc>i mean, is your samba shared folder on the same drive as your nfs share ?
20:49<TCW>moon_, just to make sure: dpkg -l|grep gdm
20:49<moon_>TCW, I paste it ;)
20:49<qaz|2>the folder are the same
20:49<moon_>TCW, Look at my precedent message
20:50<qaz|2>I have samba for my girlfriend pc
20:50<qaz|2>the server is a debian sid with samba and nfs4
20:50<TCW>moon_, I did ask something different :)
20:50<cthuluh>qaz|2: btw, nothing in the logs?
20:50<moon_>TCW, Oh, sorry. But it's very late ^^
20:50<qaz|2>no errors
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20:51<qaz|2>but the file is diff
20:51<moon_>TCW, (The hour)
20:51<qaz|2>md5sum confirm that nad if for example
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20:51<TCW>moon_, same timezone here I guess :)
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20:51<qaz|2>I transfer a iso with debian and try on virtualbox
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20:52<qaz|2>virtualbox say he can't read the file or md5sum is different
20:52<qaz|2>if i copy with samba (command line or from dolphin) is all ok
20:52<qaz|2>file ok
20:52<qaz|2>md5sum ok
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20:53<qaz|2>my export in the server
20:53<TCW>moon_, I guess... that's it then... almost :)
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20:53<TCW>moon_, as this debian install was so extremely basic... did you create a user account apart from root?
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20:54<moon_>TCW, During the installation I create the root account and an other
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20:55<TCW>moon_, ok... in the chroor window type "exit" hit enter, umount /tmp/debian, reboot
20:56<TCW>chroot even
20:56<qaz|2>i set with same user and group (nobody nogroup) , same domain
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20:56<moon_>TCW, See you :D
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20:56<TCW>moon_, I hope so :)
20:56<qaz|2>and nsswitch
20:57<qaz|2>if I doing a ls on the server the file are name1:name1
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20:58<qaz|2>if i doing on the cleint on the nfs folder they are name2:name2
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20:58<qaz|2>(name one = user on server name2 = user on the client)
20:58<qaz|2>so is ok
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20:58<qaz|2>could be my fstab?
20:59<qaz|2> /mnt/nfs nfs4 _netdev,auto 0 0
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21:00<cthuluh>(just curious about this setting)
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21:01<TCW>cthuluh, used to "mark" network filesystems like nfs and iscsi etc.
21:01<daemonkeeper>_netdev prevents mounting a file system before the network is configured at boot time
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21:01<qaz|2>nodisc: yes
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21:01<cthuluh>oh, never met that before
21:01<qaz|2>ctaylor: sorry heheh
21:01<daemonkeeper>See mount(8). Unfortunately some boot scripts ignore this.
21:02<qaz|2>ok but i need to set anything else like the old nfs3?
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21:02<qaz|2>the problem are file 1gb+
21:02<TCW>daemonkeeper, does one come to your mind right now?
21:02<qaz|2>if i copy a 999 mb file is all ok
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21:04<cthuluh>qaz|2: what if you use nfs3?
21:04<TCW>moon, re... did we miss something? :)
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21:04<moon>TCW, Nothing :D
21:05<TCW>moon, si debian is up and running?
21:05<moon>TCW, I thank you all I can with my little heart :D. Yes, all run good (internet connection too.)
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21:05<moon>TCW, So :p
21:05<cthuluh>!beer moon
21:05*dpkg deftly decants a fine Stone Arrogant Bastard for moon
21:06<TCW>moon, great... and in the next days consider using WPA instead of WEP :)
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21:07<moon>TCW, I would think =D
21:07<TCW>WEP is almost as bad as no encryption at all
21:07<qaz|2>daemonkeeper: 10 min for find the passwd
21:07<TCW>daemonkeeper, no... almost :p
21:08<daemonkeeper>qaz|2: Depending on the actualy traffic, even seconds.
21:08<qaz|2>daemonkeeper: true
21:08<TCW>but longer than none! :p
21:08<qaz|2>the WEP 128 isn't bad but...still
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21:08<moon>I'm tired. Thanks all for your help... TCW you're a great guy. (daemonkeeper thanks too)
21:09<moon>Good night and see you soon ... Maybe :P
21:09<TCW>moon, np... tomoroow delete ubuntu and all is ok :)
21:09<qaz|2>enjoy ur debian
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21:11<moon>I think mu *b*nt* not going to stay long.
21:11<TCW>moon, keep me posted :)
21:11<moon>Debian sounds great
21:11<moon>Np !
21:12<TCW>Debian sounds, reads and even smells great! ;)
21:12<moon>Bye .. :D
21:12<TCW>cya :)
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21:22<qaz|2>let's try with async
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23:08<Darko>Hello friends, what is an easy to upgrade the Squeeze kernel?
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23:10<sney>Darko: upgrade to what?
23:10<sney>Darko: if you want a newer kernel, use
23:10<Darko>I'd like the latest stable
23:10<Darko>or something pretty close to that.
23:10<sney>backports has 2.6.38.
23:11<Darko>That'll be fine.
23:11<sney>new hardware or something?
23:11<Darko>Do I just add it to my repos?
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23:11<akerl>Darko: For what reason do you want a newer kernel?
23:11<sney>if you go to in your browser, it has instructions
23:11<Darko>Built this pc only a month ago.
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23:11<Darko>Working on it now.
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23:12<Darko>I get a deb command not found error.
23:12<sney>no that's what you put in your sources.list
23:13<sney>it's a text file...
23:13<Darko>Haha, I'm still learning linux.
23:13<Darko>I know how to edit that though.
23:13<akerl>Darko: again, why do you want a newer kernel?
23:13<sney>so what feature of 2.6.38 do you want that isn't in 2.6.32? just curious
23:14<Darko>Well I just want the latest kernel really, hopefully it'll have some better drivers.
23:14<akerl>Darko: Unless you have a specific reason, I'd recommend not using backports
23:14<sney>are you having a hardware support issue?
23:15<Darko>Could this make my system less stable?
23:15<sney>it could, yes
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23:15<sney>it probably won't - 2.6.38 is pretty solid - but every case is different
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23:16<Darko>Well ok then.
23:16<Darko>I'm still new to linux.
23:16<Darko>Is the free nvidia driver pretty good?
23:17<sney>it's fine for 2d. 3d support is basically nonexistent right now
23:17<Darko>I assume HD flash videos would work fine with the free drivers then. Thats all I really need.
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23:17<sney>yes, flash and html5 will work fine
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23:18<Darko>So I have a question then, I need to get my drivers configured. I think all I need to do is edit xorg.conf -- Does that sound right?
23:18<Darko>I was thinking about just using the nv drivers.
23:18<sney>you don't need to do anything. in squeeze and up it's all autodetected
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23:19<Darko>That's strange...I can't change to my native resolution.
23:20<Darko>I'm using the "monitor preferences" btw.
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23:22<sney>Darko: what gpu is it?
23:22<Darko>560 Ti
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23:23<sney>oh, brand new
23:24<Darko>Yes sir.
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23:24<Darko>Sney: Probably why I need to either configure or install different my drivers.
23:25<sney>Darko: can you paste the contents of the text file /var/log/Xorg.0.log to ?
23:25<Darko>sney: One second
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23:27<Darko>sney: here you go
23:28<sney>great, it's using vesa
23:29<Darko>sney: hmmm, so what's that mean for me?
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23:29<Darko>sney: should i swtich to nv or nouveau perhaps?
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23:29<sney>it means you were on to something with the kernel update, but you may need a newer xorg as well. I'm not sure. do some googling about using your gpu with the 'nouveau' driver
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23:30<sney>it should have used nouveau automatically but it didn't recognize your gpu
23:30<sney>I have to go for about 30 minutes but I'll help again if you're still here when I get back
23:30<Darko>sney: I probably will be. Thanks for you help! I appreciate it.
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23:58<Glaivelen>I just installed Squeeze on my Power Mac 7500, and I'm stuck on trying to copy the kernel to my Mac OS hard drive... the mount command won't let me mount /dev/sda10 to the mnt folder.
23:58<Glaivelen>Anyone care to help a newbie? D:
23:59<Darko>I'm a newbie as well, but did you sudo?
23:59<Glaivelen>I'm in the shell of the Install CD...
23:59<Glaivelen>I think I'm root by default? O.o
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