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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-06-22

---Logopened Wed Jun 22 00:00:05 2011
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00:21<mordoczero>hola
00:21<mordoczero>alguien responde algo por aqui?
00:21<mordoczero>brb
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00:21<cthuluh>!es > mordoczero
00:21<dpkg>> mordoczero: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
00:23<mordoczero>sorry, i dont care the lenguaje
00:23<mordoczero>i need help
00:23<cthuluh>then describe your problem
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00:24<mordoczero>simple: in debian squeeze amd64 mi mouse cant paste with scroll the selected
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00:27<kingsley>Is it possible to reveal the version of "zip" used to create a zip archive? If so, how?
00:28<nyov>mordoczero: does pasting work with with either shift+insert, middle mouse button, left+right mb?
00:28<Obligatory>Off topic IRC question: where's a good 'c' oriented IRC channel. I'm trying to compile something (with Debian 'gcc' of course) that used work fine in 2003, but won't in 2011...
00:29<mordoczero>i do not know
00:29<mordoczero>to day i install it
00:30<mordoczero>i try with shift+insert, middle mouse button, left+right mb? shift+insert, middle mouse button, left+right mb?
00:30<mordoczero>it works
00:30<mordoczero>wy?
00:30<Hydroxide>Obligatory: I have no idea whether it's good or bad, but ##c on freenode (irc.freenode.net) seems to have over 350 users and uses the ISO standard number in its home page URL, so that's a positive sign :-)
00:31<Obligatory>kingsley, 'file foo.zip'.
00:31<Quite>obligatory.... strict aliasing complaints?
00:32<mordoczero>where can i modifi it?
00:32<Quite>let's start #debian-gcc
00:32<Hydroxide>Obligatory: I clicked through to their web page, and yes, it and its related channels looks like good choices
00:32<Obligatory>Quite, more of a multi-line 'char' which gets me 'error: missing terminating " character' messages.
00:32<Obligatory>Hydroxide, tnx, will go there soon!
00:32<Hydroxide>Quite: I highly doubt his issue is debian-specific, just specific to newer GCC that is more strict about adherance to standards.
00:32<Quite>naw
00:32<Quite>i know that
00:33<Quite>i use -fno-strict-aliasing for some old code here... works, but i have to fix it in due time
00:33<Obligatory>Hydroxide, agreed that it's not debian specific, it's just this is the only IRC channel I use much.
00:34<kingsley>Obligatory: Like you, I also considered the "file" command, and I tried it. Unfortunately, "file" reports version 2.0 for an archive created by 2.3.
00:34<Quite>alright obligatory... on your problem
00:35<Quite>i suppose you always need "text" on every line in c? at least i always did that myself
00:35<Hydroxide>Obligatory: right, I was just responding to the idea to make a new channel #debian-gcc.
00:35<Quite>i mean there has to be a left and right double quote on the same line
00:36<Obligatory>kingsley, drat, that's too bad. Hmm. Here's a lead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZIP_(file_format)#File_headers
00:36<Quite>yes hydroxide... not necessary whatsoever
00:36<Quite>it was a kind of half-joke
00:36<kingsley>Obligatory: I seem to have answered my own question. I now see that the "zipinfo" command reveals the version(s) of zip that created an archive.
00:40<Obligatory>Quite, in '03 (and earlier) one could start a quote, and do multiline by putting a '\' at the end of every line prior to the last quote.
00:40<Obligatory>s/last/closing/
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00:40<Quite>uh huh
00:40<mordoczero>some one can tell me how can i modifi my mouse mode to paste?
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00:41<Quite>guess they've changed some crap then
00:41<Quite>yes, that i know of
00:41<nyov>mordoczero: what works, and what doesn't?
00:42<cthuluh>Quite: what's your code?
00:42<cthuluh>Quite: char *foo = "baz \
00:42<Quite>oh a crude image viewer.... i ported it to windows and i have worked more on it there
00:42<cthuluh>..."; works here
00:42<Quite>ok
00:42<cthuluh>then make sure that your lines end with \
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00:43<cthuluh>and not with a LF byte
00:43<cthuluh>(sed -n foo.c should help)
00:43<Quite>no, that wasn't an issue for me, cthuluh.... in my case it was the strict aliasing
00:43<cthuluh>err, sed -n l
00:43<Quite>but thanks anyway ;)
00:43<Obligatory>Anyway I should hie me to freenode's ##c, as per Hydroxide suggests.
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00:44<mordoczero>and i habe other problem
00:44<cthuluh>aww, mixed Quite and Obligatory, sorry :P
00:44<Quite>hehe
00:44<Quite>np
00:45<mordoczero>mi soun in a movie online is incomplete, like if the channels arent on
00:45<mordoczero>but all in alsamixer is on and lough
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00:59<IceGuest_77>hello
00:59<IceGuest_77>i need assistance
00:59<IceGuest_77>is deb compatable with MineOs
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01:01<sney>IceGuest_77: what's that?
01:01<IceGuest_77>Its A linux Distro
01:02<IceGuest_77>made for Minecraft servers
01:02<IceGuest_77>do you know if its compatable
01:02<Quite>i googled...
01:02<sney>debian is a linux distro, so you're asking 2 different distros are compatible with each other?
01:02<IceGuest_77>i guess
01:02<Quite>the answer is a resounding NO!
01:03<Quite>;)
01:03<sney>that doesn't really make any sense, IceGuest_77! either you're running debian or you're running something else
01:04<IceGuest_77>oh what about webadmin\
01:04<Quite>it sure isn't debian
01:04<Quite>it's some minimal distro for the sole purpose of running minecraft
01:05<sney>IceGuest_77: look, you can host a minecraft server on debian (I do, on my home network) with all sorts of mods and stuff if you want, including web interfaces
01:05<sney>IceGuest_77: or you can run a pre-packaged system like MineOS. you can't do both at the same time, at least not on the same computer.
01:08<sney>unless it was in virtualbox or something but that's just getting silly.
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01:14<b0a9>why is virtualbox getting silly?
01:15<IceGuest_77>Thanks Guys
01:15<nyov>it's oracle...
01:15<IceGuest_77>i Really Apprechate the help
01:15<nyov>:D
01:15<IceGuest_77>i know i spelled it wrong
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01:16<b0a9>stupid oracle
01:16<Quite>not virtualbox per se, but it's kind of overkill i guess
01:16<b0a9>i only ask because i run several virtual machines myself
01:16<Quite>oh
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01:17<b0a9>but thankfully i do not play minecraft :)
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01:17<Quite>neither do i ;)
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01:17<Quite>i'm not much of a gamer
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01:18<Quite>the occasional launching of doom
01:19<b0a9>chess and nethack are my favorites
01:19<Quite>:)
01:19<Quite>chess is timeless
01:20<Quite>oops... rather OT
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01:47<dabir>can someone help me with wireless/wifi on toshiba satellite l655 ?
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01:48<dabir>i've no idea what to do.. fn+f8 does not do anything.. the wireless light on the front of the laptop is orange
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01:50<diego>hello, do you know any program to record audio (using my microphone) on console
01:50<diego>(no graphic mode)
01:52<dabir>is it not possible to connect with wifi on my laptop?
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01:52<nevyn>diego: ecasound
01:52<diego>dabir: lspci | grep -i wireless
01:53<nevyn>diego: arecord? theres' a whole bunch
01:53<diego>nevyn: aptitude search ecasound --- nothing
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01:55<nevyn>diego: apt-cache show ecasound
01:55<dabir>lspci | grep -i wireless doesn't do anything
01:55<nevyn>diego: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ecasound
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01:56<dabir>02:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter (rev 01)
01:56<dabir>does this help?
01:56<diego>ohh, ok , so its a realtek
01:56<nevyn>dabir: you need nonfree firmware
01:56<diego>dabir: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x
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01:57<diego>aptitude update && aptitude install wireless-tools ...
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01:57<diego>dabir: look that wiki page, I dont have realtek
01:57<diego>but its similar to intel chipset
01:58<diego>just get the firmware, I recommend you wicd to connect
01:58<diego>its better than network manager from gnome
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01:58<nevyn>meh I like nm.
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01:59<nevyn>I think it get's a bum rap
01:59<nevyn>much like pulseaudio get's a bad rap too.
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01:59<dabir>RTL8188CE is not listed on that wiki? could you walk me through this..
02:00<jstein>hi i want to downgrade from testing to stable. I have changed the sources.list, but i have some packages left in installation cue from a recent safe-upgrade. How can i force aptitude to forget about packages marked to upgrade ?
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02:01<nevyn>jstein: you probably need to re-install if you installed anything on testing.
02:02<nevyn>jstein: crossgrading back to stable isn't a supported path AIUI
02:03<nyov>jstein: aptitude keep-all
02:03<dabir>what firmware am i supposed to get? .. my RTL8188CE isn't listed?
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02:04<diego>dabir: it says RTL818X
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02:05<diego>mmm, lets check for 8188
02:05<Yukai>Is there any way I can make Pidgin flash in a different color when using a dark theme?
02:06<diego>dabir: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x sorry
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02:06<diego>dabir: check that one, it lists yours
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02:07<diego>dabir: then, when you get the firmware, I would personally remove network manager and put wicd which is a nicer script that does not depend on the graphic mode
02:07<diego>so if you break nvidia drivers for instance
02:07<diego>you will still have wifi on console
02:09<diego>jstein: use testing, much newer and better
02:09<diego>:)
02:10<Quite>less stable
02:10<jstein>diego: i am using testing since very early versions of debian
02:10<diego>Quite: well, I always use testing and it usually does not break, depends on what you want (guess if you have a server you wont take the risk)
02:10<Quite>oh
02:11<Quite>yes, of course
02:11<Quite>but the current testing is still rather immature
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02:11<diego>jstein: I guess downgrading its not easy right
02:11<Quite>and in a great flux
02:11<jstein>at work we use stable and since last year i feel packages go to fast to testing
02:11<Quite>IMHO, that is
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02:12<Quite>i needed an upgraded kernel and got 2.6.38 from the backports, it works swell
02:13<Quite>other than that i'm fine with the current releases of software in stable
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02:13<Quite>to each his own
02:13<jstein>package dependencies are broken once a week here and i have to wait a day or two until its fixed, and the kde and gnome stuff does a lot of strange stuff
02:13*nevyn is running 3.0-rc2 and feels out od date.
02:13<Quite>:)
02:13<nevyn>rc3 has been out like days ;)
02:14<Quite>the kernel?
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02:14<nevyn>yeah
02:14<jstein>keeping my stable running consumes my whole sparetime at the moment. so i want to switch to stable now at home too
02:14<Quite>wow.... what a scary number... 3.0 :o
02:14<nevyn>meh nothing changed.
02:14<Quite>oh, ok
02:14<nevyn>linus decided that 2.6.40 was too big and that the 2.6 had become pointless boilerplate
02:15<nevyn>basically
02:15<jstein>//stable/testing of course
02:15<Quite>alright
02:15<Quite>i'm fine with going all stable, except for the kernel
02:15<Quite>that's just me
02:15<Quite>i'm a conservative old fart
02:16<dabir>okay. pardon me for being a newbie.. but i have gotten the firmware + wireless-tools ... what am i supposed to do now?
02:16<nevyn>and that the 2.6.38.3-3 is a rediculsly long version number
02:16<Quite>indeed
02:16<dabir>or, how do i do this step:
02:16<dabir>The necessary kernel module should be automatically loaded. If necessary, it can be manually loaded via either:
02:16<nevyn>because that's the kernel version (38) the stable revision (3) and the distribution package version (3)
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02:17<Quite>yes
02:17<Quite>on the numbers
02:17<wrek-gar>http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25676.html <- need help with step 3 (can't find directory hotplug)
02:17<nevyn>Quite: so the idea is that the kernel is 3.x.y-z where x is kernel version y is stable version and z is distribution version
02:17<cthuluh>dabir: basically, it's a matter fo doing modprobe -r <module>; modprobe module; dmesg | grep firmware
02:17<Quite>slightly messy
02:17<nevyn>Quite: less messy than the previous.
02:18<Quite>but organized
02:18<jm_>!tell wrek-gar -about ubuntu
02:18<Quite>true
02:18<cthuluh>wrek-gar: this is not an ubuntu support channel
02:18<Quite>in fact not messy at all
02:18<jstein>i was confident with testing for a desktop-pc until the kde4 story started. I guess kde4 was not triviel in its dependencies
02:18<Quite>compared to the old scheme
02:18<dabir>cthuluh: could you please walk me through it
02:18<cthuluh>dabir: I just did
02:18<Quite>hm... i use gnome so i can't say
02:18<cthuluh>dabir: you should know, better than I do, what is your module name
02:19<dabir>i'm not sure.. how do i find out?
02:19<nevyn>jstein: kde transitions are always exciting.
02:19<wrek-gar>is there any info on how to create an wireless access point with debian?
02:19<nevyn>(I just wish I could make veromix work again
02:20<cthuluh>dabir: lsmod | grep rtl
02:20<diego>nevyn: kde vs gnome, kde uses a lot more memory / cpu right ?
02:20<diego>(just asking, I dont really use kde, thats what I heard)
02:20<nevyn>diego: more features use more power yes
02:20<cthuluh>wrek-gar: aren't you on ubuntu?
02:20<Quite>gnome3 willl probably be as demanding
02:20<nevyn>gnome doesn't use much cpu but then it doesn't do anythign so it's hardly surprising ;)
02:20<Quite>will, even
02:20<wrek-gar>08:19
02:20<dabir>that doesn't do anything in terminal and i am as root
02:21*Quite hates GUI bloat
02:21<nevyn>dabir: now you have the firmware have you restarted?
02:21<cthuluh>dabir: grep rt, then
02:21<nevyn>Quite: things get more complicated that's life.
02:21<Quite>oh yes... can't do much about it
02:21<nevyn>Quite: mjg has an interesting rant on what light means
02:22<Quite>oh
02:22<Quite>well, i installed debian with console only the first times, but i miss too much
02:22<nevyn>http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/2414.html
02:22<Quite>i mean no DE whatsoever
02:22<Quite>ok thx
02:22<dabir>yes i've restarted.. the light is still orange (wifi light) and fn+f8 (switch) doesn't do anything
02:22<nevyn>hrm
02:22<nevyn>dabir: is the wifi enabled in the bios.
02:23<dabir>how to do so"?
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02:23<Quite>he has some very wise points there
02:23<Quite>sooner or later you will want a file manager... etc etc
02:23<nevyn>Quite: I like mjg he's a smart guy
02:23<Quite>indeed
02:24<Quite>i'm a console guy at heart, but i like the ease of use that a file manager provides
02:24*nevyn barely ever uses a file manager.
02:24<jm_>i find mc handy in many cases
02:24<dabir>here is what lsmod | grep rt
02:24<dabir>modprobe -r <module>; modprobe module; dmesg | grep firmware
02:24<nevyn>I use device manager all the time
02:25<dabir>oops
02:25<dabir>parport_pc 18855 0
02:25<dabir>parport 27954 3 parport_pc,ppdev,lp
02:25<Quite>i always use mc in console
02:25<Quite>not in gnome
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02:25<nevyn>so the udev/blah magic that mounts usb keys and disks and sorts out permissions etc.
02:25<Quite>i use the terminal a lot in gnome, though
02:26<Quite>but i like the possibility to watch images and videos
02:26<Quite>otherwise i would go all console
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02:26<nevyn>so I use a web browser a lot but a file browser hardly at all.
02:26<Quite>yeah
02:26<Quite>web browser is a must nowadays, for good and bad
02:27<dabir>i'm not sure : how exactly to load/configure modules
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02:27<nevyn>and I actually like stuff like pulseaudio and network manager the capabilities they provide are really cool
02:27<Quite>i have been using windows for some time before recently starting to use linux again, that's why i got used to using a file manager
02:27<Quite>off-topic, sorry
02:28<dabir>someone please help.. i just did modprobe r8192u_usb
02:28<Quite>true
02:28<dabir>and it says my sytem had a kernel failure
02:28<dabir>is this something i should worry about?
02:28<dabir>FATAL: Error inserting r8192u_usb (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/staging/rtl8192u/r8192u_usb.ko): Device or resource busy
02:29<t0aster>what should happen if I restart in the middle of upgrading packages? Synaptic will not respond and I am updating a ton of packages
02:29<dabir>please someone walk me through this. -_-
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02:30<nevyn>dabir: hrm that's not how it's supposed to happen.
02:30<nevyn>device or resource busy.
02:30<nevyn>dabir: if you run iwconfig -a
02:30<nevyn>do you have a wifi interface listed?
02:30<dabir>'No such device'
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02:31<dabir>-a No such device
02:32<wrek-gar>does anyone have info on hostapd?
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02:32<nevyn>hrm just run iwconfig
02:32<dabir>lo, eth0, vboxnet0, pan 0 : no wireless extensions.
02:33<nevyn>dabir: boot and check in the bios that the wifi device is enabled.
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02:33<nevyn>s/boot/reboot/g
02:33<dabir>??
02:34<nevyn>is the device in lsusb?
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02:34<dabir>i don't know anything.. that's why i need some1 to walk me through this...
02:34<jaski>Hi, I'm running a legacy system (366 MHz Celeron). Can someone pls tell me if it can run squeeze, or is it really an 1386 in disguise?
02:34<nevyn>dabir: run lsusb and verify the device is there please
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02:35<dabir>which device?
02:35<dabir>doesn't seem to be a wireless device there
02:36<Quite>i wish it would be possible for debian to detect my mobile broadband dongle at installation
02:36<dabir>how do i go about fixing this? or enabling it or what am i supposed to do
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02:38<dabir>i haven't done anything to get in the way of making wireless not work
02:38<dabir>but the wifi light is still orange
02:38<Quite>should work, jaski, i doubt it's a 386 in disguise
02:39<Quite>merely a pentium with less cache
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02:39<dabir>i'm sorry for being a newb.. all i want is to get wireless working
02:39<jaski>Quite: Fine, thanx a lot. See y'all
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02:40<dabir>perhaps it already works
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02:43<dabir>wicd network manager doesn't find any wireless networks.
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02:43<dabir>help please
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02:44<dabir>iwconfig doesn't find any wireless extensions
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02:45<dabir>what do i do?!?! am i in the wrong chat room?
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02:47<dabir>how do i configure wicd preferences
02:47<dabir>wired interface has : eth0
02:47<dabir>wireless interface: empty
02:47<dabir>what do i put for wireless interface?
02:48<cthuluh>your wireless interca doesn't seem to be recognized, so no need to configure wicd
02:48<cthuluh>interface*
02:48<nevyn>dabir: did you hit the device?
02:48<nevyn>the device switch
02:48<nevyn>so the wifi switch on the laptop? (assumes laptop)
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02:49<dabir>it's an orange light. not sure if that means on, but i think it does. fn+ f8 (the switch) doesn't do anything.
02:49<nevyn>hp laptop?
02:49<dabir>toshiba satellite l655
02:49<nevyn>hrm
02:49<nevyn>orange is often off and blue is on
02:50<nevyn>(what was wrong with red and green I say?
02:50<nevyn>anyway gtg.
02:50<dabir>is there
02:50<dabir>a way to turn it on in terminal?
02:50<dabir>this sucks..
02:51<dabir>i don't think anything is wrong.. it's just lack of knowing what to do
02:51<cthuluh>yup. if you want, we can go back to the begining. what is your card model?
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02:51<cthuluh>on a pastebin, put the output of lspci -nn
02:51<cthuluh>(if it is an usd card, then lsusb -v)
02:52<cthuluh>usb*, damn
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02:53<dabir>http://paste.debian.net/120613/
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02:56<cthuluh>dabir: not supported in squeeze
02:56<cthuluh>maybe if you install the squeeze-backported kernel, it could work
02:56<dabir>i have no idea-... what do i do
02:57<dabir>ah man my kernel is really bugged
02:57<dabir>i cant minumize
02:57<cthuluh>minimize what?
02:58<dabir>well it minumizes but it seems to be bugged on to the screen
02:58<dabir>so my desktop looks like a bunch of windows open
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02:58<dabir>which happened when i did
02:58<cthuluh>*shrug* I can't help with that
02:58<dabir>modprobe r8192u_usb
02:58<dabir>ok
02:58<cthuluh>this is not the proper module
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02:59<dabir>can i fix the damage?
02:59<dabir>or whatever i did
02:59<dabir>or should i just restart
02:59<cthuluh>well, restart, if you think you did damaged something, this seems unlikely
03:00<dabir>k . brb. bare with me please
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03:00<tensorpudding>should you ever put *-dev packages in Depends:?
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03:02<cthuluh>tensorpudding: it's rather a question for #debian-devel or #debian-mentors or somehting like that
03:02<tensorpudding>whoops
03:02<tensorpudding>thought i was in -mentors
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03:02<dabir>okay fixed
03:02<dabir>weird.. it actually changes the background of my desktop (which was just a plain color)
03:03<cthuluh>now, dabir , you could try installing a newer kernel if you really ant to get your wifi to work
03:03<cthuluh>!tell dabir -about backports
03:03<dabir>:( what am i supposed to do -_-
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03:04<dabir>is it really necessary to do all that.. i'm complete newbie and i'm probably just missing something extremely simple
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03:07<dabir>pLease help. . the light is orange, the switch does not do anything, i've updated n installed wireless-tools and the firmware
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03:07<dabir>iwconfig shows lo, eth0, vboxnet0, and pan0 all saying no wireless extensions
03:07<cthuluh><judd> [10ec:8176] is 'RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'rtl8192ce' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8176 http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
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03:08<cthuluh>dabir: so, as you can see, and as I said earlier, you can't get it to work under the normal squeeze kernel
03:09<dabir>which kernel do i get?
03:09<cthuluh>dabir: if you modprobe rtl8192ce and it works, then you really lucky. but I wouldn't count on that
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03:11<dabir>i don't know what kernel am i supposed to get?
03:11<cthuluh>the most recent kernel available in the backports repository
03:12<cthuluh>there's documentation about how to do that online
03:12<Zaba>damn, then .39 kernel doesn't boot for me.
03:12<cthuluh>http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/
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03:12<cthuluh>dabir: please read this and apply correctly what is said
03:13<cthuluh>no more hand holding until you installed 2.6.39 / whatever
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03:15<dabir>how to get the most recent kernel available in backports repository?
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03:17<dabir>?
03:18<jm_>the same way you install other packages
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03:20<dabir>with "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install" i get "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 15 not upgraded."
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03:21<dabir>-.-
03:22<dabir>i've read instructions but where do i get the "package" name
03:22<dabir>so i can use "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "package"
03:22<dabir>"
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03:24<dabir>i'm not sure what to do.. please send me message or something.. what command do i run to get the "most recent backports" that i need
03:25<MukeGile>apt-cache search something
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03:25<jm_>install the relevant linux-image package
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03:25<cthuluh>you want linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 or the -amd64 one
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03:25<cthuluh>*sigh*
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03:26<jm_>dabir: and read some newbie guides (/msg dpkg newbie ; /msg dpkg grounding)
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03:59<Yukai>Why does running nautilus as superuser change my wallpaper and the color of the terminal?
04:00<cthuluh>just don't do that
04:00<Yukai>how come?
04:00<ichdasich>Yukai: because it then uses the gtk-preferences of the root-user. btw... listen to cthuluh
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04:01<Osiris_X>where do I set system-wide proxy settings in debian 6.0 with gnome3
04:02<MrFrood>if you are using gnome3 it is not debian 6...
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04:05<Yukai>ichdasich, What other method should I use then?
04:05<Osiris_X>MrFood ok - it is as close as I can get to Debian 6 but with gnome3 :D
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04:06<ichdasich>Yukai: in order to do what?
04:06<Yukai>ichdasich, edit stuff in folders that need root permission
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04:07<ichdasich>Yukai: i can reconmend my personal most favorit filemanager for that purpose. it is called 'vim and zsh'.
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04:07<MrFrood>Osiris_X: better but I've still no idea, perhaps ask in #debian-next
04:08<babilen>Osiris_X: Installing gnome3 on squeeze is bound to fail. Base your gnome3 system on testing or sid and *not* on stable. That also means that you'll run into all the problems associated with testing/unstable/experimental though.
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04:09<Osiris_X>babilen, actually now that I think about my initial statement was completely wrong - my system is pinned against testing with updated packages from unstable/experimental for systemd and gnome3
04:09<Yukai>ichdasich, I'd prefer a GUI since I'm not too efficient in terminal yet
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04:10<ichdasich>Yukai: if you stick with a gui, you wont become 'efficient'.
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04:13<b0a9>i use the gui mostly to move my terminal windows around
04:15<Quite>lol
04:15<Quite>same here, in fact
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04:16<Quite>and to have the opportunity to watch pr0n, of course
04:16<Quite>kidding
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04:19<amitz>b0a9: or you can use screen/tmux.
04:19<Quite>oh i used screen a lot in the past
04:19<Quite>great piece of software
04:20*MrFrood thinks gnu screen rocks but also throws in an honourable mention for dvtm
04:20<Quite>:)
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04:20<Quite>you're welcome
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04:24<jakeb>hi all
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05:14<dge`>hello. I'm looking for a solution to disable my nvidia graphic card on AsusN61Jv laptop (optimus technology), it's about battery life. i'm using Debian 6.0.1. Any ideas ?
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05:18<jm_>dge: start by finding out which driver is loaded now
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05:18<pseudonymous>Is there an estimate of the security level one can expect using Debian Testing ? Or is Stable the only real way to go ? (I was considering Stable for my server, but Testing for a laptop which also needs to be buttoned down greatly)
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05:19<petemc>pseudonymous: /msg dpkg testing security
05:20<babilen>pseudonymous: No security support for testing right now (or at least the last time I checked) -- and even if there are security updates they are nowhere near the level in stable. If you care about security fixes run stable or sid.
05:20<themill>s/or sid/
05:20<babilen>granted :)
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05:20<babilen>I was just thinking of "arrival of new packages"
05:21<jm_>dge: in general optimus is completely unsupported on Linux AFAIK
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05:22<babilen>dge`: Can you do it in the BIOS? If you can not then I don't think your setup uses a MUX and both cards have to run even if you just use one.
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05:22<jm_>yes, a sad story really
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05:23<pseudonymous>The reason for the 'sid' recommendation stems from the fact that this approach to security is not unlike that of FreeBSD where a security fix is mainly addressed by upgrading to a later version of the package - I take it ?
05:23<babilen>The only "support" I know of is https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee (be aware of bugs though!!)
05:24<babilen>pseudonymous: It was not really a recommendation to run sid per se. But your reasoning is correct.
05:25<dge`>jm_, yes, i know, i found a solution here, step3, but dont work for me - http://robbyx.net/blog?p=190#codesyntax_4
05:26<jm_>dge`: why not?
05:26<dge`>and no way with bios :/
05:26<dge`>i'm starting on Debian&Linux, and the make command failed.
05:27<themill>pseudonymous: you won't necessarily be able to install the new version that is uploaded to sid, however. Take the recent CVEs against perl -- were they to have been released a few weeks ago when perl in sid was in the middle of a transition, you wouldn't have been able to install those uploads for a week or so.
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05:28<pseudonymous>themill: to some extent I was planning on adding some security via tinkering with SELinux too - but I see the problem
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05:29<babilen>pseudonymous: If you are after real security and stability there is *no* alternative to stable.
05:29<SynrG>well, technically ... you could run the system in a locked room with no network :)
05:30<jm_>perhaps try to put your error on pastebin then
05:30<Quite>yes there is, the most stable option is to not use a computer at all
05:30<pseudonymous>Yes I see that now - I'll just have to go over whether I can survive on the same base set of software for 2 years at a time (maybe I can ? ) - but yea, I've got some thinking to do
05:30<Quite>(unnecessary joke)
05:30<SynrG>pseudonymous: not necessarily. there is backports ...
05:31<SynrG>granted, that's a compromise.
05:31<Quite>i upgraded the kernel, that made my day... the rest i can live with
05:32<Quite>from the backports, of course
05:32<dba>.oO(kernels on backports.{,debian.}org are usually not well maintained, though.)
05:32<Quite>oh
05:33<themill>dba: in what way?
05:33<Quite>well, 2.6.38 ticks like a clock here in squeeze
05:33<Quite>so far so good
05:33<dba>they're not that fast in updating, and when they do, they almost always forget some parts of
05:33<SynrG>hence, my remark about it being a compromise. the ideal is that backports get the same attention as everything else. the reality is that things lag a bit
05:33<dba>(like, -kbuild or -latest)
05:33<Quite>i'm sure they do
05:33<SynrG>what dba said
05:33<dba>(and firmware)
05:33<dba>(and firmware-nonfree)
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05:33<themill>dba: yeah, the kbuild bit is annoying each and every time.
05:33<dba>..and well, you get the point.
05:33<Quite>but obviously not eough to wreck the system too severely
05:34<Quite>enough, even
05:34<SynrG>depends on what you value
05:34<Quite>yes i do
05:34<dba>i'm doing my own and keeping them in sync. others might do the same.
05:34<Quite>i'm living on the edge
05:34<themill>dba: why not upload the missing bits to bpo yourself?
05:34<Quite>i just wanted the damn laptop sound chip to get recognized
05:34<pseudonymous>is there the option for a PORTS-like system ? Just for keeping a few key applications as recent as possible without dragging kernel, services and so on into bleeding edge
05:35<dba>themill: after etch; backports.org has turned into a place of lunatics. too much pain which i don't want to deal with.
05:36<themill>dba: so you do the work yourself and don't let anyone else benefit from it :(
05:36<dba>themill: my git trees and repos are public, anyone can merge/use/$whatever.
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05:36<Quite>really?
05:36<Quite>thanks for the info
05:36<Quite>i'll watch out
05:37<Quite>the kernel is the "only" thing i have fetched from the backports
05:37<Quite>won't touch anything else
05:38<Quite>i sincerely hope that the next stable will remain as stable as squeeze, in spite of the backports lunatics
05:38<Quite>otherwise i'll look around
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05:40<Quite>i hope that the hierarchy is working, in other words
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05:40<jm_>i found virtualbox from bpo to be very useful too
05:40<dba>(jftr: oh, i stand corrected.. it was after sarge. not etch.)
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05:41<dba>jm_: jup, however.. there, the same applies again.. virtualbox-guest-additions-iso was not backported.
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05:42<dba>or in general, my point is probably, that there is not much thought spend on keeping things 'together' (which is perfectly fair enough for most people, i'm not complaining, just observing).
05:42*Quite only recently started using debian
05:42<Quite>so far it works swell
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05:42<Quite>yes
05:42<Quite>i get you
05:42<themill>dba: you're giving Quite completely the wrong idea, however. Maybe you could explain more carefully what you mean.
05:42<Quite>observing is always good
05:43<Quite>i think i get it after all
05:43<dba>sorry, wasn't my intention.
05:43<Quite>i got a little scared there, though
05:43<Quite>;)
05:43<Quite>np
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05:44<dba>Quite: everything is well, you'll be fine, don't worry.
05:44<Quite>i know i can trust you!
05:44<dba>Quite: or basically, ignore me :)
05:44<Quite>lol
05:44<Quite>naw
05:44<Quite>i have respect for knowledgeable people
05:46<Quite>that's why i prefer debian over ubuntu... because you know it's no idea to shell out a new release too soon
05:46<Quite>i like the "slowness"
05:46<Quite>there's no idea rather
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05:52<ale>hola
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06:13<dyek>Hi! Has anybody tested if the 2.6.39 Linux kernel in Debian Testing, Wheezy's, Xen Dom0 support is working well enough for development workstation daily use?
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06:45<cream2>hello, is there any way i could get a list of subfolder names from a deleted folder ? like from the logs or something
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06:54<dyek>cream2: What kind of folder was that? User data folder? Application software folder?
06:55<cream2>user data
06:55<babilen>Please: It is "directory" not "folder" :)
06:55<cream2>ohhh... yea :)
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06:56<cream2>the deleted directory had like 100 other directories each containing selected files i can recover if i know the 100 subdirectory names
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06:57<dyek>cream2: If you "deleted" (Moved to Trash) it via desktop GUI, then look in the Trash directory. If you deleted it via the shell command line, tough luck -- possible, but not very likely.
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06:58<jm_>try ext3 undelete howto if that applies
06:58<dyek>cream2: Unless you created hard links for those files, I wonder how they can be recovered if you know just the subdirectory name.
06:58<cream2>dyek it was permanently deleted
06:59<cream2>no shell line
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06:59<cream2>oh, they were downloaded files
06:59<cream2>for work
06:59<cream2>but selections
07:00<mjt>so extundelete may help, if it's not too late (the more you write to that filesystem the less chances you have recovering them)
07:00<cream2>100 from like 2000 directoryes so that's why it's hard to start selecting over again
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07:00<cream2>no need to recover
07:00<cream2>i can redownload
07:00<cream2>only to get a listing
07:01<dyek>cream2: Try "debugfs /dev/sd*" then "undelete, undel". I have no idea if it will work though.
07:01<cream2>i see extundelete works for ext FS mjt :| too bad it was a ntfs external
07:01<babilen>cream2: Haven't we established already that you are not running Debian?
07:02<jm_>why not ask in #freebsd?
07:02<cream2>it doesn't matter what i'm running
07:02<cream2>it's still gnome
07:02<cream2>still debian
07:02<cream2>the ubuntu
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07:02<grove>ubuntu is *not* debian and neither is gnome
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07:03<babilen>cream2: Well, it matters because we do *not* support anything but Debian in here.
07:03<cream2>yes ubuntu is debian
07:03<mjt>ntfs has undelete tools too
07:03<babilen>It is not.
07:03<cream2>whatever
07:03<babilen>!tell cream2 -about based on debian
07:03<mjt>but ubuntu is not debian for sure
07:03<babilen>!tell cream2 -about ubuntu
07:03<grove>cream2: ubuntu is *based on* debian, it *is not*
07:03<cream2>based on debian is debian
07:03<grove>NO
07:03<themill>cream2: we've already pointed you to #ubuntu for help a number of times.
07:03<cream2>only few interface modifications
07:03<seeS>based on with more bugs!
07:03<babilen>cream2: So, I would be happy if you ask in the proper channels for *your* distribution. Please do not make it harder :)
07:04<cream2>that's true
07:04<cream2>but what do bugs have to do with distros
07:04-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@79.114.207.113] by ChanServ
07:04<themill>cream2: the volunteers are here to help people with debian not ubuntu. Please respect that.
07:04<grove>cream2: The differences are way more than "few interface modifications" than that
07:04<grove>s/than that//
07:04*seeS gets bug reports about the ubuntu packages that dont import the patches. i hate that
07:04<mjt>sigh
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07:07*Quite sticks with debian for now
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07:07<Quite>and probably for a foreseeable future
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07:08<JanVB>is it possible to specify a wildcard of some sort, or multiple packages, in the Packages: line of /etc/apt/preferences?
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07:09<themill>JanVB: which version of debian is this with?
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07:09<JanVB>squeeze
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07:11<themill>JanVB: no. You can do that from wheezy onwards, however.
07:11<grove>JanVB: I have several 'Package: *' lines in my /etc/apt/preferences
07:11<jm_>nice, I was always wondering why that's not possible, it seems like a natural option
07:11<JanVB>so copy/paste it is?
07:11<JanVB>grove: something more granular than '*'
07:11<themill>JanVB: Pinning some of the packages individually can be enough if you then let the dependencies do the rest.
07:12<jm_>grove: * is special I think
07:12<mjt>How about Package: foo, bar, baz ?
07:12<themill>JanVB: alternatively, pin by origin or similar. (use "apt-cache policy" to see what data is available for that)
07:12<JanVB>themill: basically I want php5 from lenny because the version from squeeze breaks several things
07:12<themill>!wayttd JanVB
07:12<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, JanVB?
07:12<themill>!php paradox
07:12<dpkg>The PHP paradox is that the people running lenny with php 5.2 want to have php 5.3... while the people running squeeze with php 5.3 want to have php 5.2. This is actually a sad indictment of both php and the applications written in it.
07:13<themill>that one... again.
07:13<grove>jm_: Possibly, never saw a need for anything more granular, but JanVB's original question just said "a wildcard of some sort" and "*" is
07:13<JanVB>that was... not helpfull
07:13<JanVB>grove: no, it didn't
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07:13<JanVB>grove: it said "a wildcard of some sort, or multiple packages"
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07:14<themill>JanVB: there's a reasonable chance that pinning libapache2-mod-php5 would be sufficient. Note that this isn't a viable solution for more than the next few months...
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07:15<seeS>nice :)
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07:16<JanVB>themill: how so?
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07:16-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@79.114.207.113] by themill
07:16<JanVB>themill: wrt security updtes you mean?
07:16-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
07:16<themill>JanVB: yes. And php is one of the things that you really want security support for
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07:17<JanVB>themill: so I add the lenny security repo to my sources.list?
07:17<JanVB>no?
07:17<mjt>no, you update it to 5.3 from squeeze :)
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07:18<JanVB>mjt: that doesn't work if the apps running on my servers break with 5.3 :S
07:18<mjt>the only real way to this is to (try to) fix the apps.
07:19<themill>JanVB: lenny security support won't last that long -- it will probably run out in ~Feb next year... hence what you are doing is not a very long term fix and isn't viable for more than the next few months
07:19<JanVB>unfortunately some/most of these are maintained by colleagues; and they/their bosses have to see the value in fixing the apps
07:19<themill>JanVB: break them, then there's value in fixing them ;)
07:20<mjt>indeed
07:20<mjt>and the reason for breaking them is security support.
07:20<themill>JanVB: or give your/their bosses a cost estimate for you doing php security support on your own for each and every CVE that rolls around.
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07:21<JanVB>themill: I tried that when said colleague ignored my advice that fopen('http://...') was a bad idea in a php app
07:21<JanVB>much complaining later I simply reverted
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07:23<themill>don't worry.... I'm fighting that same battle and losing there too. At present, the machine is sitting behind a firewall rule that doesn't allow outgoing :80 so fopen('http://...') doesn't work at all and I've not taken the trouble of telling the "developer" that there is actually an http proxy on the network just yet.
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07:24<JanVB>themill: there's a better solution to that you know
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07:25<JanVB>themill: put "allow_url_fopen = Off" in your php.ini
07:25<JanVB>no need for firewall rules
07:25<themill>yeah, the firewall is there anyway. I'm going to lose this battle in the long run in any case though ;(
07:25<JanVB>right
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07:25<mjt>why fopen(http:..) a bad idea?
07:25<JanVB>just saying ;)
07:26<JanVB>mjt: do I need to draw a picture? :)
07:26<Quite>don't try this in C
07:26<mjt>well, a picture always helps in understanding :)
07:26<JanVB>mjt: broken routing/dns/other network stuff...
07:26<JanVB>mjt: guess what happens
07:27<mjt>guess i haven't seen broken routing/dns for a while
07:27<JanVB>mjt: php starts waiting for a timeout; you get shitloads of apache threads all waiting for timeouts... load goes *boom*
07:27<mjt>oh, that.
07:27<JanVB>mjt: but it doesn't even have to be broken. slow is enough
07:27<mjt>for that, you limit number of apache/php threads/requests
07:28<JanVB>basically you make your own infrastructure dependant on external infrastructure
07:28<themill>mjt: it's also often used to grab code that is then eval'd. Just like making tmp noexec or chrooting bind, it's a convenient thing to forbid for putting a small activation barrier in front of script kiddies and automatic probes of the usual swiss cheese php
07:28<JanVB>when the external infrastructure goes down, so do you. for no immediately apparent reason
07:28<themill>mjt: limiting apache only prevents your entire machine from grinding; your website is still screwed.
07:28<mjt>JanVB: that's not a reason to forbid http: open in _general_
07:28<mjt>but themill's reasoning is well enough
07:29*mjt is not a php programmer...
07:29<JanVB>mjt: I have seen this several times on my servers. it is reason enough for me
07:29<JanVB>mjt: note that this is not a php specific problem. you can do the same crap in perl too
07:29<mjt>sure
07:30<JanVB>php just makes it easy by extending fopen
07:30<Quite>obviously
07:30<mjt>when i have to retrieve something which may be slow i explicitly limit number of concurrent "things" trying to do that and set explicit timeouts.
07:31<mjt>and never allow external data to be used as base url like that
07:31<JanVB>anyway afk, getting food
07:32<themill>mjt: now if only the developers of both core and extensions for joomla/mambo/phpbb/crapware considered such things.
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07:33<mjt>i tried several "bigger" apps here, and always ended setting up separate website and webserver for them, just in case. Not because I knew about these problems but "just in case", because I never can be sure what's inside
07:34<Quite>it's like windows
07:34<Quite>;)
07:35<mjt>even simpler things like trac makes me nervous :)
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07:36<Quite>;)
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07:37<nardev>does anyone know how to set length of possible password when cracking with john the ripper?
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07:37<atom>anyone tell me how to manuall install firefox on squeeze
07:38<atom>i can add the ubuntu source to the list and get it but would rather have one compiled for squeeze
07:38<rpetre>any idea where i could look to tell gnome-open to send html files to the browser instead of gedit? (wheezy, if matters)
07:38<nardev>atom, just download and run it
07:38<nardev>maybe place it into /opt
07:38<atom>tried fails when i do
07:38<Ruusento>atom: download the tar.bz2 from mozilla, tar -xjf firefox*.tar.bz2, cd firefox, ./firefox
07:39<nardev>thank you maybe miss few libs
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07:39<atom>thats what I did, didnt make any sense to me either
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07:39<Cozminsky>atom: http://mozilla.debian.net/
07:39<Ruusento>atom: I've downloaded this morning the nightly build on squeeze, and worked just out of the archive.
07:40<atom>will try again, damn 6.01 already had to revert to gdm hate gdm3
07:41<nardev>atom :) it's always up to user :)
07:42<atom>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
07:42<atom> libstdc++6-4.4-dbg : Conflicts: libstdc++6-4.3-dbg but 4.3.5-4 is to be installed
07:42<atom> libstdc++6-4.4-doc : Conflicts: libstdc++6-4.3-doc but 4.3.5-4 is to be installed
07:42<atom>E: Broken packages
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07:42<rpetre>nevermind, i saw #500372
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07:53<jj>tell jj about adobe flash
07:54<jj>dpkg tell jj about adobe flash
07:54<SynrG>!tell jj about self tell
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07:54<jj>ok SynrG tnx wont do again
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08:01<jj>ive added deb sources to /etc/apt/sources.list using nano and when i click save it says file dont exist ? ne ideas?
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08:05<nardev>is it possible to force john the ripper to try to guess all hashes at once?
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08:20<SynrG>jj: nano? click? save?
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08:21<SynrG>i'm confused about what you're doing ... nano is a terminal-based text editor. there is no "click" and no "save"
08:21<robinetd>ctrl-x saves and exits in nano
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08:22<SynrG>right. but "click save" makes no sense
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08:22<robinetd>Indeed. Unless perhaps he has some unknown nano GUI. :D
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08:23<nardev>is there a way to find out what what hash algorithm was used to produce this hash c1d223da110fedb388f50ed753a06475
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08:23<fosser_josh>while installing synaptic or updating synaptic using reload button i got this error "Method has died unexpectedly!Sub-process returned an error code (100)Method /usr/lib/apt/methods/ did not start correctlyMethod has died unexpectedly!Sub-process returned an error code (100)Method /usr/lib/apt/methods/ did not start correctly"
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08:24<jj>ive sorted it thanks SynrG i have to go to the directory rather than just nano /etc/apt/asources.list i went to directoy then just use nano sources.list and it worked
08:24<robinetd>nardev: looks like an md5sum to me, but I could be wrong.
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08:24<SynrG>jj: that also makes no sense.
08:24<jj><not awake yet lol
08:24<jj>i had to go to the apt directory
08:24<SynrG>sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
08:25<SynrG>this works fine
08:25<jj>wierd
08:25<jj>it would for me
08:25<jj>would not*
08:25<nardev>robinetd, to me too but it seems that john the ripper can't guess it if i set that one
08:25<SynrG>i have to assume some sort of user error here ...
08:26<SynrG>it's possible to screw up the filename when saving. it will say:
08:26<SynrG>File Name to Write: /etc/apt/sources.list
08:26<SynrG>if you don't just press enter here ...
08:27<mjt>somehow many people don't understand concept of current directory, thinking that "cd" is magical.
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08:27<jj>yeh when i pressed enter it was aying the file didnt exist
08:27<SynrG>is the problem reproducible?
08:27<jj>cd is not magical lol
08:27<jj>yes SynrG
08:28<SynrG>and it says the file path exactly as i indicated above
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08:28<jj>ok it fixed now i think it was cuz there was 2 files under same name
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08:28<jj>i rm -rvf one of them :)
08:29<SynrG>you're recursively removing individual files? that's risky behaviour
08:29<SynrG>if you habitually add 'r' to every removal even when not needed, one day it will bite you in the ass
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08:30<petemc>the f isnt needed either
08:30<mjt>two files under the same name and one don't exist? that's interesting...
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08:31<SynrG>my guess is the accidental addition of a blank before pressing enter
08:31<jj>i want do that again
08:31<SynrG>finger fumble
08:31<SynrG>now if you removed the wrong one and 'apt-get update' it will fail
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08:31<jj>it passed
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08:32<SynrG>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 466 Jun 22 09:26 /etc/apt/sources.list
08:32<SynrG>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 466 Jun 22 09:31 /etc/apt/sources.list
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08:32<SynrG>the second file is one i just saved with a blank appended to the end. but in that case, nano warns you that you're saving to a different name
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08:33<jj>so thats why i cudnt save it
08:33<jj>:)
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08:33<mjt>hm. i just noticed (for the first time in some 8 years) that I don't have nano installed... :)
08:33*SynrG shrugs ... not necessarily. i'm just trying to imagine scenarios that led to your reported error.
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08:34<SynrG>i never actually reproduced i "file doesn't exist" or similar message.
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08:35<jj>i cant now neither :( so im siding wiht human error typo or somethign
08:35<jj>something*
08:35<robinetd>mjt: your copy of emacs comes with it.
08:35<SynrG>come to think of it, you didn't tell us the exact text of the error message you encountered (nor what exact action you did that led to it)
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08:35<jj>i install java and flash with no help :) yay
08:35<SynrG>learn to report issues a bit more precisely :)
08:36<jj>i had to reinstall debian las nyt becuase of hecp
08:36<jj>ehcp*
08:36<jj>it wrecks your os
08:37<grummund>Hi, is there a debian package that can auto record audio from line-in and save to file?
08:37<jj>ehcp = easy hosting control panel
08:37<jj>ive decided to use command ine administration instead
08:38<grummund>(for recording phone calls via a line adaptor)
08:39<jm_>grummund: alsa audio output can be saved to a file, so perhaps you can do the same with input
08:39<fosser_josh>while installing synaptic or updating synaptic using reload button i got this error "Method has died unexpectedly!Sub-process returned an error code (100)Method /usr/lib/apt/methods/ did not start correctly"
08:40<grummund>jm_: can i do that without X? ...should have said needs to be command line only and run as background process
08:40<SynrG>grummund: most cards support 'capture' from different sources
08:40<jm_>grummund: sure, it's entirely ALSA related
08:41<SynrG>'arecord' works nicely
08:41<themill>fosser_josh: your sources.list has a line that is missing "http:" in it
08:41<fosser_josh>themill: ok thanks will check
08:41<themill>fosser_josh: stick it in a pastebin if you want us to have a look
08:41<grummund>SynrG: ok thanks. my point not very well made is it needs to split the audio into tracks according to silence
08:42<jm_>heh would be nice to report which sources.list line it's about - maybe some people would find the problem by themselves then
08:42<SynrG>grummund: arecord -L for starters
08:42<jm_>heh something like motion detection for videos
08:43<grummund>jm_: indeed :)
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08:43<themill>jm_: yeah, it's a nice apt bug that it tokenises the URL, works out the "method" executable name from what's before the : and then appends it to /usr/lib/apt/methods/ to run it. Empty string ftl.
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08:43<mjt>sox can split into files by silence
08:43<SynrG>grummund: see also 'amixer' for command-line manipulation of channels. you may need to do that to select capture source prior to arecord. dunno
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08:44<fosser_josh>themill: i wish but i dont hav that machine. i will check if problem nt solve will post that sources.list
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08:45*grummund supposes the correct term would be VOX recording
08:45<mjt>arecord ... | sox -p out.ogg silence 1 0.50 0.1% 1 2.0 0.1% : newfile : restart
08:45<grummund>mjt: wow. thanks ;)
08:45<mjt>that's from sox manpage :)
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08:47<jj>Linux dhcppc1 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Wed May 18 07:08:50 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
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08:51<grummund>hmm, with 'multimon' it might even be possible to snag the DTMF tones ;)
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09:02<clinton>hi, is there documentation on how to get USB automounting working on debian squeeze in gnome? I'm getting "unable to mount ... not authorized" when inserting usb devices in gnome. I am in the plugdev group, any other groups I should be in?
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09:08<grummund>I'm seeing "Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security." with aptitude install <packagename>
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09:08<grummund>debian-archive-keyring is installed
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09:08<grummund>should i try another mirror?
09:09<Cozminsky>grummund: Release file could have been missing or corrupt if it was during a sync
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09:09<Cozminsky>grummund: try apt-get update first
09:10<grummund>yes i already did: aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade
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09:10<grove>grummund: Do you have other repositories besides debian standard (debian-archive-keyring only cover those) - but try `apt-get update` first
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09:11<grummund>hmm, seems to be working now. thanks
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09:16<Osiris_X>why are firefox addons in the debian repository as xul-ext-<firefox addon>?
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09:17<Osiris_X>is there any advantage to using them instead of installing them directly in iceweasel?
09:17<Zaba>they are installed system-wide
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09:18<vtts>more or less the same reason as for other packages
09:18<__Alex_>Because it is a Debian package, Debian keeps it up-to-date
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09:26<Osiris_X>thanks for the responses
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09:34<MrFrood>Osiris_X: also deb package available to all users
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09:54<jj>can anyone suggest the best way to manage multiple user hosting on debian ?
09:54<Cozminsky>I highly recommend suexec
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09:55<jj>Cozminsky, thats not going to mess up my debian install is it as i use easy hosting control panel and had to reinstall the operating system as it corrupted loads of important files
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09:56<Cozminsky>jj: apt-get install apache2-suexec or apache2-suexec-custom
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10:00<Cozminsky>jj: another option might be virtual host using ldap backend, or simple template should work with a script to take in hostname/uid/etc.
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10:02<jj_>Cozminsky, what the difference between the 2 ?
10:02<Cozminsky>jj: apache2-suexec and custom you mean?
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10:04<jj_>Cozminsky, yes
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10:04<Cozminsky>jj: apache2-suexec can only run as www-data user, apache2-suexec-custom you can run multiple apache servers as different users, however it is slower
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10:05<jj_>cozminky does it not make administration simplier to keep it all as one apache ?
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10:06<jj_>or does that mean then i could not offer people the ability to use apache thereselves ?? admin only
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10:06<Cozminsky>jj: yes, suexec just means that cgi scripts are run as the user configured instead of the www-data user
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10:07<Cozminsky>jj: which makes it easier to track if you're planning on allowing/installing different scripts that is
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10:07<jj_>yeh i am going to be allowing diff scripts
10:08<jj_>so apache2-suexec is best for me then
10:08<jj_>?
10:08<Cozminsky>jj_: yeah, I'd use apache2-suexec and run php scripts as either fastcgi or suphp
10:09<Cozminsky>jj_: If you're going to do that then make a basic template of your virtual host once you get it right
10:10<Cozminsky>jj_: and then have a script that takes your template and copies the files and substitutes the variables
10:11<Cozminsky>jj_: dump the file in /etc/apache2/sites-available and then a2ensite <yournewsite>;apache2ctl graceful or whatever
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10:13<Cozminsky>jj_: that's the end of the process, you have to write your templates first, and a script to add a local user for each website, create the directories and the like
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10:17<jj_>i c
10:17<jj_>sound easy enough
10:17<jj_>ty
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10:18<Cozminsky>here's something for etch: http://blog.chty.org/post/2007/10/28/Apache2-mod_fastcgi-suexec-on-debian-etch
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10:19<jj_>so in /etc/apache2/sites-available i put ym index.php and subfiles ?
10:19<jj_>my*
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10:20<Cozminsky>jj_: no, just the configuration for the virtual host
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10:21<Cozminsky>jj_: you'll probably create a directory like /srv/www/example.org/ or something
10:21<jj_>ok thinki should look for a tut
10:21<Cozminsky>jj_: then put /srv/www/example.org/htdocs as your document root
10:22<Cozminsky>jj_: and the php wrapper mentioned outside the document root in /srv/www/example.org/ somewhere
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10:23<Cozminsky>jj_: chown them to the uid you set up for that host, making /srv/www/example.org/htdocs with permissions uid:www-data 640
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10:25<jj_>http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/howto/cgi.html <this would help ?
10:25<themill>you should pick the right version of the docs when you look at them (apache 2.2 not 2.0)
10:25<JanVB>is apt-install documented anywhere?
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10:26<themill>,file apt-install
10:26<judd>No packages were found with that file.
10:26<JanVB>googling apt-install (with or without quotes) gives me a lot of links about apt-get install :P
10:26<JanVB>themill: part of debian-installer
10:26<themill>JanVB: there's a /usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/apt-install.txt
10:26*themill wonders why judd didn't pick that up
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10:31<JanVB>themill: thanks. I'll have to look at the source to check though :)
10:31<themill>JanVB: that's in the debian-installer package
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10:31<JanVB>themill: found and read it
10:32<JanVB>but didn't answer the question I was wondering about
10:32<themill>ahh
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10:33<JanVB>but I'm guessing the answer is "no" anyway, so might as well go with in_target apt-get install
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10:36*Quite wonders in a moment of boredom if the "VB" in JanVB stands for Visual Basic
10:36<themill>Quite: /whois
10:36<Quite>ah!
10:37<Quite>thank god!
10:37<Quite>jk
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10:43<sml>hiya folks!
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10:44<sml>hypothetical problem: i have a network. it has lots of random timeouts after working fine for years. what tools on debian can I use to determine what and where the problem is? ping was dropping packets and network was going up and down like a yoyo. also all the switches were just on constant.
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10:45<sml>well not so much a hypothetical problem as it happened this morning. what woul dbe nice would be to be better prepared next time
10:45<tsogi>sml i don't know, maybe wireshark?
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10:45<salman>I finally found the cause for my strange problem. I had all windows in gnome losing their frames and title bar and min, max buttons, It was the result of a program that was installed. once I uninstalled it, every thing is back to normal
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10:45<a7ndrew>sml: ifconfig showing any errors on the interfaces?
10:45<sml>tsogi: i did use tcpdump.. which showed lots of broadcasting. but how do i know if the level of broadcasting is a problem?
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10:46<sml>a7ndrew: good point. though it related to lots of different non connected hosts. only thing that seemed strange was the activity lights were going MAD on all switches
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10:46<tsogi>sml: you sure your switches are not looped?
10:47<sml>a7ndrew: by that i mean not directly connected. i.e. 192.168.2.1 was dropping pings.. then 192.168.1.1 for example. and from different source addresses too. bit of a nightmare to track down. how does one do this kinda thing?!
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10:47<a7ndrew>could be a broadcast storm in that case. Perhaps you can count how many broadcasts & multicasts per second on various interfaces?
10:48<sml>tsogi: did think of that. went through every switch and disconnected it and reconnected it. none seemed to be looped. however the network was fine at 8am then at 9am after no known changes.. just went from intermittent to just plain down. found lots and lots of arp requests being sent over the network
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10:49<a7ndrew>sml: from all sorts of source MACs?
10:49<tsogi>sml: had a similar problem. turned out that an onboard lan card had malfunctioned and was doing the "broadcast storm" a7ndrew mentioned
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10:50<Quite>sounds like it's hardware-related, yes
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10:51<sml>tsogi: if the switches ARE looped wouldn't you get problems immediately? this seemed to happen when no changes were made.
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10:51<sml>well i was seeing a broadcast storm... what causes netowrk kit to do that? what's the best way of finding out other than someone reporting a network problem? just want to be more prepared and proactive next time
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10:52<tsogi>sml: right you are. in my case it was a burned onboard lan card
10:52<sml>hmmm
10:52<sml>would a burned onboard lan card show errors in ifconfig? now my phone isn't going mental i can have a dig..
10:52<sml>also would using better switches help?! or ones with SNMP?
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10:53<sney>snmp / managed switches would help you narrow down the source of the mess
10:53<a7ndrew>many switches have storm control that syslogs when your broadcasts per second goes over a broadcast rate... but yeah if you have unmanaged switches that won't work
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10:53<sml>sney: is there anything better than can be done? in the process of reconnecting everything i did put all developers on their own subnet
10:53<sney>that's definitely a good idea in any case
10:54<sml>yeah. been meaning to do that for ages
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10:54<sney>I suspect something like miidiag or ethtool would have weird output on a fried nic, but I haven't seen it personally (all the fried nics I've experienced were all-dead, not half-dead)
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10:55<sney>sorry, mii-diag
10:56<tsogi>sml: usually yes, it should show errors. but in my case ifconfig didn't show any errors - still haven't figured out how that happened
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10:56<sml>what kind of tools can i run on my lan(s) now it's back up and running? want to kind of monitor errors, throughput etc. try and be a bit more ready on my feet
10:56<sml>tsogi: OK - thanks.
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10:57<tsogi>sml: you're always welcome
10:57<sney>ettercap can show you your network traffic, depending on where you put it in the topology it can be pretty useful for proactively stopping the developers from breaking everything
10:57<sml>There is ntop but that's more for bandwidth management. Used tcpdump this morning and had to decode NBT packets to find the machine name of a naughty machine that was storming as you put it. but took a while and im not sure it was actually that machine that was causing the problem. might even be usual for machines to broadcast especially if theyr'e a windows box ?
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10:58<sml>ettercap. right. could install that on a gateway. i've used ntop before but that was mainly only useful for bandwidth monitoring.
10:58<sney>broadcast traffic is normal *sometimes*, i.e. for dhcp requests
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11:00<sml>well i saw LOADs of arps.. i mean thousands. it was like layer2 had just stopped working. which made me think it was a hardware issue, so went around all switches and turned them off and replaced two really old ones. problem seems to have gone away but i want to know if the problem is still present and is gonna come back to bite me in a week or two :(
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11:00<a7ndrew>this is just an idea... run tcpdump with a capture filter something like ' ether dst host ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff ' to capture just broadcasts. Then maybe pipe that through something like process viewer in line mode.
11:01<sml>i was doing the poor mans version of that earlier : tcpdump -i eth0 | grep -i broadcast
11:01<sml>a7ndrew: thanks :) will run it now
11:01<a7ndrew>my syntax is probably all wrong
11:01<sml>a7ndrew: i can work it out. i have the man page :)
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11:02<sml>when I run that I see lots of arp packets and also : NBT UDP PACKET(137): QUERY; REQUEST; BROADCAST
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11:03<sml>netbios-ns, wassat? SMB?
11:03<a7ndrew>hmmm is that netbios?
11:03<sml>yar
11:03<a7ndrew>its a rather spammy protocol at the best of times
11:03<sml>windows network. linux routers, firewalls and server (Samba)
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11:04<sml>I wish we didn't have to use Windows at all but we develop software to run on it so am stuck :-(
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11:05<sney>I think a lot of netbios's spammyness comes from name resolution. maybe if your samba server ran WINS or you deployed hosts files it wouldn't be as big of a deal.
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11:05<sml>is ZERO errors normal? because I have: RX packets:320108989 errors:3
11:06<sney>also, we're fully into offtopic land here
11:06<sml>sney: yeah sorry about that.
11:06<Quite>#debian-offtopic
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11:08<ballison>i have to run a 32-bit version of firefox on a 64-bit OS machine. the problem is firefox-bin is complaining that it can not find a bunch of libs. I have all those libs installed and they are in /usr/lib/
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11:08<ballison>i think this is a 32-bit vs 64-bit issue
11:08<ballison>how do i get 32-bit firefox-bin to run on a 64-bit OS?
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11:09<sney>do you have the ia32-libs packages installed?
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11:09<Quite>i didn't even manage to get the 64-bit version running in debian squeeze amd64
11:10<ballison>sney: ia32-libs?
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11:11<Quite>sorry
11:11<ballison>Here's what i'm seeing
11:11<Quite>there is no 64-bit version
11:11<sney>ballison: yes, there are 32-bit libs packaged for the purpose of running 32-bit software on 64-bit systems. if you do an apt search for ia32 they will all show up
11:11<ballison>http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=SHttyGsq
11:11<Quite>no wonder i didn't get it running
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11:11<Quite>thanks sney.... valuable tip
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11:13<Quite>installing...
11:13<Quite>suppose the ia32-gtk ones are needed too
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11:21<ballison>sney: that did the magic. firefox is now working
11:21<sney>yep
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11:22<Quite>firefox 5.... damn they change versions quickly
11:22<petemc>6 is available to try too
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11:22<Quite>cool
11:23<Quite>nog long ago they announced 4...
11:23<Quite>not, even
11:23<Quite>off-topic...
11:23<ballison>sney: thanks!
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11:25<Quite>then we have the plugins.... "wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64"
11:25<Quite>oh well
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11:33<jj_>can somone tell me how i fix this pls http://pastebin.com/hrLZ8qDm
11:34<sney>jj_: are you following a howto somewhere? most of those are not in debian anymore. php5, mysql 5, etc are
11:34<Zaba>what did you do to cause that
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11:34<Quite>well, it wasn't a plugin
11:34<Quite>(firefox-bin:3081): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libclearlooks.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
11:34<jj_>yes i am sney
11:34<jj_>i need all them packages :(
11:35<Quite>can't find any 32-bit version of it
11:35<sney>jj_: you need those specific versions?
11:35<sney>Quite: warnings are just warnings, if the program is working otherwise then they can be ignored
11:35<Zaba>jj_, are you sure you need them?
11:35<Quite>yes, but somehow they affect the appearance
11:35<Quite>menus don't look quite right
11:36<Quite>not that i won't survive ;)
11:36<Quite>never mind
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11:37<jj_>http://www.howtoforge.com/vhcs_debian_sarge_setup <
11:37<jj_>so i would think so
11:37<pickcoder>sarge?
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11:37<Quite>i'm most probably sticking with iceweasel anyway so..
11:38*Quite hates web browsers
11:38<sney>jj_: that's debian 3.1. You have debian 6, or 5 at the oldest.
11:38<pickcoder>sney: don't assume... :)
11:38<jj_>Linux dhcppc1 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Wed May 18 07:08:50 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
11:38<jj_>how do i check what version i have
11:38<sney>cat /etc/debian_version
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11:39<pickcoder>jj_: 'dpkg -l libc6' and paste just the status line
11:41<jj_> Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
11:41<pickcoder>the status line of the libs.. not the header
11:42<jj_>libc6 2.11.2-10 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries
11:42<sney>it looks like vhcs is just a regular web app, so you can most likely install php5/mysql-server/apache2, then configure your database, and drop vhcs into /var/www
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11:43<sney>that huge wall of text on the howto suggests whoever wrote it doesn't know that apt manages its own dependencies.
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11:44<ethan>have many bacj commands that have been tested and work on their own. . . .how do I unite them into one file. . . .is this complicated?
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11:44<ethan>bash
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11:44<timeoh>Does anybody know how FAX is transmitted thru the internet? Voice is transmitted via RTP with mime-type: RTP/AVP? If not does anybody a channel with VoIP expertises?
11:45<timeoh>*know
11:45<jj_>ok so ive install mysql-server apache2 and php5 now how do i configure the database ?
11:45<pickcoder>I love the 'nameserver your ip' part
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11:45<jj_>lol
11:45<sney>ethan: depending on the commands, you can just put them all in one text file, with #!/bin/bash at the top and then chmod the text file +x
11:45<jj_>yeh name server ns1 ns2 plebs
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11:46<sney>jj_: either with phpmyadmin, or the mysql text client, there are docs everywhere and it's not too hard. just create a database, name it something, and create a regular mysql user that has permissions to modify that database
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11:47<sney>then when you're setting up vhcs, put the same information into its configuration files/setup script, whichever it uses
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11:47<ethan>sney: the commands are umount mount mkdir mv cp and chmod is that ok?
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11:47<sney>ethan: try it and see. but probably
11:47<bahamit>how do i use the vgaswitcheroo thing ?
11:48<sney>bahamit: what?
11:48<bahamit>i want to use the ati vid card on my 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc NI Seymour [AMD Radeon HD 6470M]
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11:48<bahamit>its a laptop, has dual gpu hybrid
11:48<bahamit>i found /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo
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11:49<jj_>how do i close a change log in terminal everytime i do ctrl +c it closes and stop the mysql install
11:49<bahamit>but not quite sure if its what im looking for
11:49<sney>jj_: q
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11:49<jj_>ahah ty
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11:50<bahamit>found it nm https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
11:50<bahamit>if anyone else has the issue
11:50<sney>bahamit: huh, neat
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12:15<Eulenspiegel69>have I seen right that the IRC client ircll is not in the official repos?
12:16<Zaba>are you sure you're not looking for ircii? With 'i's rather than 'l's
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12:17<Eulenspiegel69>ircII and Irssi are two distinct clients
12:18<jj_>irssi are fgood
12:18<Zaba>ircii is in the repos, as far as I can see
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12:21<Eulenspiegel69>ah you are right, I read the 'i's as 'l's
12:21<Zaba>use a better font :P
12:21<Zaba>or bigger
12:22<Eulenspiegel69>I use the standard iceweasel ones :)
12:22<Zaba>ctrl+= ;P
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12:23<Eulenspiegel69>no, I prefer to ctrl + scroll
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12:23<Eulenspiegel69>but it doesn't matter. Big 'i's and 'l's seem to look the same in the standard iceweasel fonts.
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12:24<Eulenspiegel69>I am wondering about what to use... ircII or Irssi...
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12:26<jj_>okay everytime i donwload something its disapearing from the downloads folder why ?
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12:26<Eulenspiegel69>lol
12:26<Eulenspiegel69>do not download into /dev/null !
12:27<Eulenspiegel69>or it may mysteryously disappear
12:27<jj_>ah lol
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12:27<riley>i want to write a shell script that would have 5 programs run simultaneously
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12:27<riley>but wait for all 5 to finish before writing the sixth
12:27<riley>how do i do that?
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12:28<Eulenspiegel69>jj_: does it disappear after a certain period of time or has it never been there?
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12:30<jj_>ive found them in /tmp
12:30<jj_>but they should be going into Downloads
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12:31<Eulenspiegel69>that sounds like a strange bug... you sure you got the permission to write into the destination folder?
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12:32<jj_>yep i checked and as root i chmod to 777
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12:32<Eulenspiegel69>tried another folder?
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12:41<jj_>yes it just Downloads
12:42<jj_>anything i put there vanishes like magic
12:42<jj_>http://pastebin.com/zsDFDvgj how do i fix these errors?
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12:48<jj_>can somone please review http://pastebin.com/zsDFDvgj how do i fix these errors?
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12:50<robinetd>jj_: Looks like you're missing certain perl modules. They're probably in debian's repos.
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12:50<robinetd>If they're not, you can fetch them from CPAN.
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12:51<jj_>can i not just use aptitude install perl ?
12:52<robinetd>That'll install perl, but I don't think perl will come with those modules.
12:52<Zaba>you already have perl
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12:53<jj_>apperatly i didnt
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12:53<jj_>i used netinst
12:53<jj_>must of 4got modules
12:53<pickcoder>jj_: modules don't automatically install
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12:53<pickcoder>most of them are never used
12:54<pickcoder>you install what you need, based on your source install
12:54<pickcoder>if you had installed from a package then they would have been required as dependencies
12:54<pickcoder>I would suggest you use the CPAN shell
12:54<jj_>newb here what cpan and how do i use it
12:54<jj_>whats*
12:55<pickcoder>perl -MCPAN -e shell
12:55<pickcoder>then check out google for docs
12:55<pickcoder>there's plenty of info
12:55<ethan>sleep 4s or sleep 4 s or sleep 4 do not work in my batch file I looked at the man page http://ss64.com/bash/sleep.html what am I missing?
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12:56<Zaba>e1th0r, 'batch file'?
12:56<e1th0r>Zaba, sorry?
12:56<Zaba>erm. ethan, ^
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12:57<e1th0r>its ok., dont worry
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12:57<ethan>yes?
12:57<Zaba>ethan, 'batch file'?
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12:57<ethan>sorry bash script
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12:58<Zaba>ethan, what do you mean by "doesn't work"? Does it give you an error, or what? Pastebin the script, maybe?
12:58<ethan>sleep: invalid time interval `3\r'
12:58<ethan>yes that is the error
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12:59<Zaba>ethan, fix your line endings
13:00<Zaba>you have a CR LF, dos-style newline in your file, for which there can be no valid reason whatsoever
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13:01<ethan>http://pastie.org/2107180
13:01<ethan>I see
13:01<ethan>thanks
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13:01<Zaba>sed -i -e 's/\r//' file # should remove them for you
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13:01<robinetd>Your shebang is wrong too.
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13:03<jj_>CRITICAL ERROR: Module [MIME::Parser] WAS NOT FOUND ! so MIME is the module i need?
13:03<santhosh>Hi
13:03<santhosh>Can Any one help me out
13:04<santhosh>I am Unable to Mount my Hard disk Drive
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13:04<jj_>santhosh, have u tried running the grub maintenace mode on the blue screen at the beggining ?
13:04<santhosh>No
13:04<santhosh>How to run it?
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13:05<jj_>just use arrow keys select the bottom one of the two option enter root password
13:05<jj_>then let it run and try booting again
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13:08<santhosh>JJ_Which Arrow Keys
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13:10<santhosh>I think Installation is not done properly i will try to re install
13:10<santhosh>again
13:10<jj_>lol u have to turn pc off
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13:11<robinetd>... He's reinstalling because his external drive won't mount?
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13:11<jj_>okay i used cpan to install the modules and it still dont find them ??
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13:13<jj_>robinetd, not sure he didnt say he just said install i assumed he ment entire os on internal drive
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13:16<jj_> [MIME::Entity, MIME::Parser, Crypt::CBC, Crypt::Blowfish, Crypt::PasswdMD5, Term::ReadPassword] WAS NOT FOUND in your system... ive just install them and its saying they dont exist still im lost :(
13:16<jj_>?
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13:21<jhutchins_lt>jj_: What is generating those errors?
13:22<jj_>ive onyl got 1 error now
13:22<jj_>ill show u
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13:22<jj_>i install all of them except blowfish
13:22<jj_>http://pastebin.com/KerEakNY im just stuck with this onew
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13:22<jj_><never used cpan until just now
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13:23<jhutchins_lt>jj_: Never mind, I see what the problem is. Stop trying to use non-debian WHCPs. There are several available withihin Debian, use one of them if you must.
13:23<jhutchins_lt>jj_: /msg dpkg free whcp
13:23<jhutchins_lt>jj_: You're having these problems because the non-Debian package is not set up to properly locate the perl modules.
13:24<jhutchins_lt>jj_: It's probably built for Ubuntu or Fedora.
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13:25<jj_>ah
13:25<Ruusento>jj_: did you install build-essential? and did you update libc6-dev?
13:25<jj_>build -essential yes libc6-dev im not sure why
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13:25<jj_>yes i did
13:25<Ruusento>crti.o is part of libc6-dev
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13:26<jhutchins_lt>jj_: What you need to do is clean this crap up and use a Debian package instead.
13:26<asdjaputra>jhutchins_lt, language please
13:26<jj_>its gone
13:27<jj_>i cleared the system of the junk
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13:27<jhutchins_lt>jj_: Debian has about 30,000 packages available. If you can't find what you think you need within Debian, you should reconsider what you're trying to do and see if there isn't a better way to do it within the debian universe.
13:27<jj_>got it debian = debian packages screw 3rd party rubbish
13:27<Ruusento>jhutchins_lt: don't rely only on the repos :P
13:27<jj_>ispconfig want me to reinstall os
13:29<Ruusento>jj_: check using aptitude if you find libperl-[themoduleyouneed]
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13:29<jhutchins_lt>Ruusento: There are very few legitimate reasons to go outside of them, especially for someone new to Debian.
13:29<Ruusento>if ispconfig gives you a .deb package
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13:29<Ruusento>use that, install it using dpkg --install
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13:29<Ruusento>and install the various dependencies
13:30<Ruusento>dpkg will give you the list of what you need
13:30<dpkg>i don't know, Ruusento
13:30<jhutchins_lt>Ruusento: It would be better if he used a whcp that's already packaged for Debian. One of the problems he's encountering is packages built for other distros not finding Debian files.
13:30<jhutchins_lt>!free whcp
13:30<dpkg>FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP> Omega and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels
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13:32<jj_>im running my dist -upgrade b4 i do anything else lol
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13:48<Eulenspiegel69>folks, don't forget the "Ask the DPL" with Stefano Zacchiroli session at 1900 UTC in #debian-meeting
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13:49<devil>uh, thanks for the reminder
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13:51<Black_Prince>One hour and 9 minutes from now
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13:55<Eulenspiegel69>for those who want the local time, enter `date -d 'Wed Jun 22 19:00 UTC'` (got it from the topic of #debian-meeting)
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13:58<pickcoder>jj_: if you install those modules via CPAN you'll get the latest versions. I agree, though, with jhutchins_lt about using a proper Debian package to make life easier
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14:04<jj_>i am i decided im going to use gnupanel imwaiting for distro-upgrade to complete
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14:30<riley>hello my winners,
14:30<vrkalak>hey
14:30<riley>what is best linux compression
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14:30<riley>?
14:30<riley>like bz2, gz?
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14:30<weasel>!best
14:30<riley>I only want the best
14:30<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
14:30<vrkalak>.deb
14:30<towo`>lrzip
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14:30<riley>what are the differences?
14:30<__Alex_>.bz2 saves space, .gz saves time
14:31<riley>how much time?
14:31<pickcoder>ncompress is faster but produces a larger Z format than gz
14:31<weasel>3
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14:31<__Alex_>.gz is quicker than .bz2, but it compresses crappy
14:32<pickcoder>if you want threaded compression, check out pigz
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14:32<pickcoder>it's not in the repository, unfortunately...
14:32<__Alex_>.tar.bz2 is best
14:32<riley>yay alex
14:32<riley>you are the winner
14:32<weasel>.oO( )
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14:32<__Alex_>tar -cjvf output.tar.bz2 input.foo
14:32-!-riley is now known as CashMoney
14:32<weasel>the blind leading the blind
14:32<pickcoder>based on file save timing from our DB: 17mins for gzip and 7mins for pigz
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14:33<CashMoney>weasel: why blind?
14:33<towo`>bz2 the best compression? harrharr
14:33<__Alex_>I find it to work best
14:33<weasel>stupid question, bad answer.
14:33<CashMoney>good question
14:33<weasel>no.
14:33<CashMoney>ya
14:33<__Alex_>It's a good one
14:33<weasel>what X is best is not a good question, as has been explained to you
14:34<SynrG>!best
14:34<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
14:34<pickcoder>weasel: it's good troll fodder though
14:34<weasel>anyway, plenty of options have been pointed out, their drawbacks and advantages been explained.
14:34<__Alex_>.gz is for small files, .bz2 is for big ones!
14:34<weasel>have a nice day.
14:34<SynrG>oh, that one has been done before :)
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14:34<SynrG>sorry, joining the fun late.
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14:35<pickcoder>woo it's in squeeze
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14:35*pickcoder checks lenny
14:35<pickcoder>nope..
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14:36<pickcoder>I'm glad it got added
14:36<__Alex_>You know what's strange? Remember when i was spamming this chat when my favourite app showed me a segfault? I just got kernel 2.6.39-686-pae, and the app works. Strange
14:37<CashMoney>hey- does anyone know to control usb ports?
14:37<__Alex_>/etc/fstab
14:37<CashMoney>say i wanted to turn on a light bulb using a usb port
14:37*vrkalak has the 2.6.39-generic kernel with wheezy
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14:38*__Alex_ has Linux 2.6.39-2-686-pae with Wheezy
14:39<__Alex_>What is the difference between pae and generic?
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14:39<robinetd>__Alex_: pae can allocate more than 3.5GB of RAM.
14:39<__Alex_>Ok
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14:40<__Alex_>Lol, i have only 1 gig
14:40<robinetd>So likely no bearing on that bug.
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14:40<__Alex_>But i have 2 gigs of SWAP
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14:40<vrkalak>so I should ditch the -39-generic kernel and go with -39-pae?
14:41<vrkalak>i have 6Gb of this laptop
14:41<pickcoder>BigCashMoneyPlaya: there are dev libs for usb interaction and a light bulb switch would require electronics to talk to
14:41<robinetd>vrkalak: If you're using a 32bit operating system.
14:41<robinetd>On a 64bit system, PAE isn't necessary (afaik)
14:41<daemonkeeper>Its not
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14:41<daemonkeeper>Its not even available
14:41<devil>robinetd: you are right
14:42<daemonkeeper>With 64 bit systems being AMD64, nitpicking a bit.
14:42<vrkalak>robinetd: ahh, thanks . . . I did install Wheezy x32 instead of x64
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14:42<robinetd>devil: There's a first time for everything, right? :D
14:42<devil>robinetd: i am sure you been right before :)
14:43<devil>vrkalak: then you are only using ~ 3.5 GB of your 6 GB of ram
14:43<mjr>pae is a bit kludgish and limited, and of course a single process has the same 32-bit adress space limits. So I'd recommend 64-bit systems for capable hardware if there's a lot of memory.
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14:44<vrkalak>devil: that's why my conky only said 3.5Gb of RAM ... I thought it was an error with the Conky script
14:45<__Alex_>I didn't know you can install the Intel 686 version of Debian on an AMD-64 compatable machine ...
14:45<devil>its not. poor conky is innocent
14:45<devil>__Alex_: just not the other way round
14:46<daemonkeeper>Sure you can (if the CPU supports it)
14:46<__Alex_>I taught that Intel runs on Intel, Amd on amd, and PPC on PPC
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14:46<daemonkeeper>Well, what about older Athlon? It runs on Intel x86.
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14:47<daemonkeeper>Or newer Intel CPUs running on AMD65
14:47<vrkalak>devil: __Alex_ that I knew .. 32 on 64 is OK but you can not install 64 on a 32 machine
14:47<daemonkeeper>-1
14:47<__Alex_>Yes, but it's an Intel Compatable
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14:47<devil>__Alex_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit <== that endangers your thinking
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14:49<Black_Prince>If you really want to save space with compression use .xz or .lzma
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14:50<Black_Prince>But it's (de)compression rates are terrible
14:50<towo`>try lrzip and forget lzma or xz
14:50<Black_Prince>I'll try that one
14:50<__Alex_>Forget everything, BZip2 FOR LIFE!
14:50<Black_Prince>I use bzip2 atm ...
14:51<Black_Prince>gzip does not have big compression rate and lzma and xz are too slow ... I won't mention rar and zip
14:51<Black_Prince>I haven't tried any other
14:51<__Alex_>gzip is still better than Zip
14:51<__Alex_>But Bzip2 is best
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14:52<pickcoder>IIRC k7 was the last AMD-optimized 32-bit x86 kernel that was packaged. Current x86 support is done via 486/586/686 specifics with 586 support dropped in Lenny.
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14:52<raboof>well, bzip2 creates smaller files but is more cpu-intensive iirc right?
14:52<Black_Prince>Yeah could be so
14:52<Black_Prince>I compressed 4GB once with bzip2 and fans were loud
14:53<BigCashMoneyPlaya>dang bro
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14:54<nyov>xz -9 is totally overkill ;) but it can run multithreaded by default, which bzip can't (needs pbzip)
14:55<BigCashMoneyPlaya>i have 8 processors
14:55<__Alex_>I have 1 atom
14:55<Black_Prince>I haz one Pentium IV
14:55<BigCashMoneyPlaya>so how do i do use all 8 processors to compress using bz2?
14:55<__Alex_>I have P4 too, on my computer that i don't use
14:56<nyov>BigCashMoneyPlaya: install pbzip2
14:56<BigCashMoneyPlaya>dont have root on my computer
14:56<BigCashMoneyPlaya>@work
14:56<BigCashMoneyPlaya>!work
14:56<dpkg>rumour has it, work is a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room? , or see <play> =-)
14:57<gnugr>__Alex_: did you add "experimental" packages in sources.list to get that kernel?
14:57<__Alex_>No, i got it in wheezy
14:57<__Alex_>I'm a Testing Forever user
14:58<gnugr>ok ty
14:58<__Alex_>I don't need experimental
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14:59<Black_Prince>I don't like SID, but I am using Linux From Scratch atm which is far more unstable than sid ...
14:59<__Alex_>XDXD
14:59<gnugr>i use squeeze with bpo
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15:00<__Alex_>I like Debian Testing. Basicly it's a stabilized version of sid
15:00<Black_Prince>I also use that one .. I have two distributions atm ... LFS is for gnome 3 ... When gnome 3 reaches testing I'll switch to it
15:00<nyov>BigCashMoneyPlaya: xz -1 should compress comparably to bzip2 and does multithreaded, use -T 8 for eight threads
15:00<__Alex_>I don't like Gnume
15:00<__Alex_>XFCE is better
15:00<robinetd>trollbait
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15:01<Black_Prince>Ask the DPL meeting is just about to start. (for those that did not know)
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15:01<nyov>Black_Prince: where?
15:01<robinetd>What is the DPL meeting?
15:01<Black_Prince>#debian-meeting
15:02<nyov>Black_Prince: ty
15:02<Black_Prince>Ask the Debian Project Leader
15:02<robinetd>I'll hang out to see what goes on in thar. Thanks.
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15:13<vrkalak>robinetd: the current DPL would be 'zack' in the chat
15:14<vrkalak>DPL the big head-honcho of Debian
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15:16<daemonkeeper>our beloved leader we blindly folloe!
15:16<daemonkeeper>*follow
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15:35<robinetd>vrkalak: I haven't been paying attention. Forgot about it actually :s
15:36*vrkalak pokes robinetd and whispers 'wake-up'
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15:37<jj_>how long does aptitude safe-upgrade take to run ?
15:38<jj_>open 71k closed 36k defer 500 conflicts 78
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15:39<jhutchins_lt>shouldn't take very long if you have a decent downlink.
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15:40<jj_>its been running for 15 min already :(
15:40-!-se is now known as savar
15:40<themill>jj_: that probably indicates you need to be doing a full-upgrade not a safe-upgrade. What are you upgrading from and to?
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15:40<jj_>lol im followng install steps for ispCP
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15:41<jj_>http://isp-control.net/documentation/start/installation/debian <im doing as it tells me like a good boy
15:41<jhutchins_lt>I thought that upgrade == safe-upgrade, but I saw a kernel image install on Lenny today.
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15:46<jj_>wow just broke 100 open
15:46<jj_>100k*
15:46<jj_>surely there aint tha many more
15:46<xbayrockx>how can i remote desktop in to debiab
15:46<xbayrockx>debian
15:46<xbayrockx>from windows
15:47<cahoot>vnc?
15:47<xbayrockx>cool
15:47<xbayrockx>need to install on debian or windows?
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15:48<cahoot>I'd guess a vnc server on debian and aclient on win
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15:48<cahoot>(no expert though)
15:48<pickcoder>I use tightvnc on windoze and vnc server on Debian
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15:49<xbayrockx>nice
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15:49<xbayrockx>how to install in debian ?
15:49<xbayrockx>just download it from website and how do i run it ?
15:50<cahoot>aptitude install <application>
15:50<cahoot>read docs or google for howto
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15:53*MrFrood reminds cahoot that other search solutions are available
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15:55<cahoot>I'd google for those
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15:55<MrFrood>:-/
15:56<cahoot>certainly won't bing them
15:56<xbayrockx>hmm
15:56<xbayrockx>it saying permission denieed
15:56<xbayrockx>im just logged in as a normal user,
15:56<xbayrockx>so what do i need to do ?
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15:56<cahoot>*it*?
15:56<xbayrockx>i was running ./vncinstall /usr/local/bin
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15:57<cahoot>use aptitude install <application> as debian expects
15:57<xbayrockx>hmm
15:57<xbayrockx>ok
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16:01<xbayrockx>hmm
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16:01<xbayrockx>how can i login as root ?
16:02<xbayrockx>to use aptitude install
16:02<CharlesLehman>sudo
16:02<BigCashMoneyPlaya>su
16:03<MrFrood>su -c 'aptitude install package-name'
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16:04<c0in>test
16:04<xbayrockx>cool thanks
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16:05<MrFrood>c0in: try !test
16:05<c0in>sorry, I had to figure out my name
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16:08<MrFrood>c0in: !test in this channel will provide you with feedback ;)
16:08<MrFrood>!test
16:08<dpkg>Test failed.
16:08<MrFrood>see :)
16:09<CharlesLehman>!test
16:09<dpkg>Test failed.
16:10<daemonkeeper>Next time dpkg will answer different. Trust me!
16:10<pickcoder>daemonkeeper: you used to glue coins to the steps in front of the library didn't you...
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16:14<jj_>!test
16:14<dpkg>Test failed.
16:14<jj_>hey what test for ?
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16:14<Black_Prince>!test drugs
16:14<dpkg>Testing drugs... *****$$#$
16:14<jj_>!test Black_Prince
16:14<dpkg>Testing Black_Prince... Segmentation fault (core dumped)$#$
16:14<SynrG>please don't play with the bot
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16:14<Black_Prince>er
16:14<Black_Prince>sry
16:14<SynrG>you can msg the bot if you like
16:14*jj_ runs away
16:15<jj_>safe upgrade just broke 200k open still wait or cancel ?
16:15*vrkalak gives the little 'bot' cookies
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16:26<MrFrood>SynrG: but the bot is fun :P
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16:27<jj_>the bot has an attitude though clever ai very limited responces
16:28<jj_>aptitude safe upgrae has been running for 35 mins is this normal ?
16:29<jj_>upgrade even*
16:29<xbayrockx>hey im getting this message when i try and run vncserver
16:29<xbayrockx>vncpasswd: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
16:29<MrFrood>depends on when you last ran it
16:29<s_i_m>jj_, if you do not see any error messages then, most likely, it is normal
16:30<s_i_m>xbayrockx, how did you install vncserver?
16:30<jj_>http://superuser.com/questions/294415/aptitude-safe-upgrade-calculating-something-worth-waiting < not according to this
16:30<babilen>jj_: You most likely want "aptitude full-upgrade". Which version of Debian are you using?
16:30<jj_>Linux dhcppc1 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Wed May 18 07:08:50 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
16:30<jj_>that one
16:30<xbayrockx>apt-get install vncserver
16:31<xbayrockx>i think
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16:31<babilen>jj_: So squeeze? Try "aptitude full-upgrade" and check if that finds a solution faster. I would be interested in seeing the output. ( http://paste.debian.net )
16:31<xbayrockx>tightvncserver
16:31<xbayrockx>sorry
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16:32<jj_>the output of dull upgrade
16:32<jj_>?
16:32<jj_>full*
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16:32<babilen>jj_: Indeed
16:32<jj_>open: 191148; closed: 95636; defer: 510; conflict: 78 <is safe-upgrade when cancelled
16:33<babilen>jj_: That is "aptitude safe-upgrade" not "aptitude full-upgrade" I presume?
16:33<jj_>yes
16:33<jj_>just though id show u for comparison
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16:33<babilen>jj_: So, please run the latter and show me the output :)
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16:34<jj_>it running process now
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16:35*jj_ just popped to local shop need some smokes
16:35<jj_>can only show u half of it
16:35<babilen>jj_: Throw in your sources.list, "aptitude search ~U" and "apt-cache policy" too
16:35<jj_>rest of it it dispersed from screen
16:36<jj_>just like that ?
16:36<jj_>why ?
16:36<Black_Prince>!enter
16:36<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
16:36<s_i_m>xbayrockx, what you see should not happen on a stable install. check if you have any old libraries lying in /usr/local etc.
16:37<jj_>http://pastebin.com/2UBBpZ22
16:37<xbayrockx>what am i looking for ?
16:37<jj_>is the output of full-upgrade as much as i could give you
16:38<babilen>jj_: May I see your sources.list and "apt-cache policy" out too? To you attempt to upgrade to wheezy or sid?
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16:38<babilen>s/out/output
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16:39<s_i_m>xbayrockx, have you ever installed any libraries from source on your system?
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16:39<xbayrockx>i might have
16:39<xbayrockx>im new, how can i check
16:39<s_i_m>look in /usr/local/lib
16:39<xbayrockx>its a fresh install but ive been trying to install vncserver so just putting in commands
16:40<xbayrockx>it only has python
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16:40<xbayrockx>its debian 6.01a
16:40<xbayrockx>is that ok?
16:40<s_i_m>xbayrockx, should be
16:41<xbayrockx>then whats going on? :S
16:41<s_i_m>have you interrupted an install somehow?
16:41<xbayrockx>probably
16:41<xbayrockx>lol
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16:42<s_i_m>xbayrockx, try aptitude install -f
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16:42<xbayrockx>it asks if another process is using it
16:43<xbayrockx>and says something is already installing packages
16:43<s_i_m>quit all other instances of aptitude, etc.
16:43<xbayrockx>should i reoot
16:43<xbayrockx>reboot
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16:44<s_i_m>xbayrockx, you may have an installation process running
16:44<xbayrockx>rebooting will fix that though right
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16:44<s_i_m>well, okay
16:44<SynrG>MrFrood: in small quantities, yes :p
16:44<jj_>where do i get apt-cache polciy from sources list sure
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16:46<xbayrockx>ok s_i_m, i did the -f option and it asks me if i want to install some packages
16:46<xbayrockx>one of them is the libstd 6, but now its asking me for a CD
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16:47<babilen>jj_: You run "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and "apt-cache policy" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net
16:47<jj_>babilen, http://pastebin.com/MQsNF3w3 <sources list, where do i get
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16:47<s_i_m>xbayrockx, answer yes
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16:48<babilen>jj_: o_O -- you have *quite* a mess there. Please paste the output of "apt-cache policy" -- Which version of Debian are you trying to run?
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16:49<jj_>http://pastebin.com/18WnaggZ
16:49<jj_>i updated it
16:49<jj_>im running debian netinst
16:49<jj_>and im installin ispcp
16:49<babilen>!enter
16:49<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
16:49<s_i_m>xbayrockx, do you have the CD?
16:49<jj_>oops , sorry , like this , no problem
16:49<xbayrockx>yep
16:49<xbayrockx>it went through and installed that stuff
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16:50<s_i_m>okay
16:50<babilen>jj_: Which *version* of Debian are you trying to run? Stable? Testing? Unstable? -- But honestly ... I refuse to support that.
16:50<xbayrockx>vncpasswd: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
16:50<xbayrockx>im still getting this error
16:50<jj_>i need stable and non free
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16:51<babilen>jj_: You have testing, unstable and a number of third-party repositories in there. Sorry, make up your mind what you are trying to run and let me know.
16:51<repiwm>hello
16:51<jj_>i want to run stable and non-free > need non-free for flash etc
16:51<jj_>and im installing ispcp
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16:52<s_i_m>xbayrockx, that is strange. either the CD is damaged somehow or something is very wrong
16:53<xbayrockx>:(
16:53<s_i_m>can you access the net?
16:53<jj_>deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free i need these 2 for ispcp
16:53<xbayrockx>yes
16:53<s_i_m>on that machine?
16:53<babilen>jj_: Then remove every trace of testing, unstable, debian-unofficial, marillat, ... from your sources.list so you *only* have squeeze, squeeze/updates and squeeze-updates in there.
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16:54<s_i_m>xbayrockx, try commenting out the CD lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and place there any of the debian mirrors
16:54<babilen>jj_: You *may* add backports -- /msg dpkg bdo -- You should ask dpkg about: <sources.list> <contrib> <non-free sources> <squeeze-updates> and <security> -- E.g: /msg dpkg sources.list
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16:54<s_i_m>xbayrockx, deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
16:55<s_i_m>xbayrockx, a line like this
16:55<babilen>jj_: Please do not mix repositories like that in your sources.list as it will just cause pain.
16:55<xbayrockx>is that line sufficient ?
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16:56<s_i_m>xbayrockx, yes, for now. then do aptitude update && aptitude install -f
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16:56<jj_>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/120680/ better ?
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16:57<jj_>sorry i 4got marillaet
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16:58<xbayrockx>what sthe diff between apt-get and aptitude
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16:59<s_i_m>two different frontends, basically.
16:59<xbayrockx>it didnt install anything now
16:59<jj_>babilen, i fixed it is that looking ok updated same pastebin
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16:59<babilen>jj_: I was talking about something like: http://paste.debian.net/120682/
17:00<babilen>!tell xbayrockx -about why aptitude
17:00<babilen>!tell xbayrockx -about why not aptitude
17:00<ompaul>jj_: you have etch stable sid in there against your marillat
17:00<jj_>babilen, is that inlcuding the 2 repos i need for ispcp ?
17:00<babilen>jj_: You had a lot of duplicated entries in there with different specifications.
17:00<s_i_m>xbayrockx, try running ldconfig as root
17:00<ompaul>jj_: which is more than nuts it is insane
17:01<xbayrockx>should i do sudo -c 'ldconfig' ?
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17:01<s_i_m>sudo ldconfig
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17:01<xbayrockx>im root anyway
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17:01<xbayrockx>it ran but there was no output
17:01<s_i_m>then just ldconfig
17:01<jj_>i copied yours babilen does it include the 2 i mentioned above for ispcp
17:01<s_i_m>okay
17:01<babilen>jj_: ispcp is *not* packaged for debian -- you might want to use one of the packaged alternatives such as those listed in "/msg dpkg free whcp"
17:01<s_i_m>try vncserver now
17:01<jj_>its from dpkg
17:01<xbayrockx>same thing
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17:02<babilen>!tell jj_ -about ispcp
17:02<babilen>jj_: I'm out .. good luck!
17:02<s_i_m>xbayrockx, hm/
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17:02<jj_>so why does dpkg suggest it to you
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17:03<xbayrockx>how can i find it what libstdc i have
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17:04<s_i_m>xbayrockx, ldd /usr/bin/vncpaswd
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17:04<xbayrockx>root@debian-6870:/lib# ldd /usr/bin/vncpasswd
17:04<xbayrockx> linux-vdso.so.1 => (0x00007ffff3d62000)
17:04<xbayrockx> libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x00007f4bd0acf000)
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17:05<s_i_m>xbayrockx, i looked back in the history
17:05<s_i_m>you have installed vncserver into /usr/local/bin
17:05<s_i_m>remove that thing
17:06<xbayrockx>how ?
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17:06<s_i_m>xbayrockx, with rm
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17:06<xbayrockx>ok done
17:06<xbayrockx>there is other stuff there too
17:07<xbayrockx>vncviewer etc
17:07<s_i_m>remove all that stuff
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17:07<s_i_m>and never install from source if do not know what you are doing
17:07<xbayrockx>ok lol
17:08<xbayrockx>now what?
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17:08<xbayrockx>root@debian-6870:/usr/local/bin# aptitude install tightvncserver
17:08<xbayrockx>this ?
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17:08<s_i_m>yes
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17:09<xbayrockx>it says no packages will be installed
17:09<s_i_m>then it already installed
17:09<xbayrockx>it thinks i have it installed already ?
17:09<xbayrockx>HEY
17:09<xbayrockx>its working
17:09<xbayrockx>i think
17:09<xbayrockx>so
17:09<xbayrockx>that stuff when i tried to custom install
17:09<xbayrockx>stuffed it up ?
17:09<s_i_m>yep
17:10<xbayrockx>hmm
17:10<xbayrockx>now i need to know how to set it uop
17:10<xbayrockx>><
17:10<ompaul>xbayrockx: so the question is this - how long would it take you to back up your data do a clean install and be happy going forward?
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17:12<xbayrockx>IT WORKS
17:12<xbayrockx>THANK YOU
17:12<ompaul>xbayrockx: the reason I ask is this, if you did a lot of "custom" stuff it might be the cheapest output
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17:12<xbayrockx>i have no data on there, i did a clean install a couple of hours ago
17:12<s_i_m>xbayrockx, np
17:12<xbayrockx>and installed the GUI this time, because i knew its take me longer to install the GUI manually
17:12<xbayrockx>hehehe
17:13<ompaul>there is a debian way to do most things - ask and don't go breaking your machine :)
17:13<ompaul>much lower overhead
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17:13<xbayrockx>s_i_m was i trying to use my custom install rather than the one that was already installed?
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17:14<s_i_m>xbayrockx, you should use either the default one, or a customized one, but not a mixture of both installs
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17:14<xbayrockx>ok
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17:18<xbayrockx>i have a python script
17:18<xbayrockx>how can i run that?
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17:19<robinetd>With python.
17:19<xbayrockx>so, the command ?
17:19<xbayrockx>maybe i dont have python installed
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17:20<ompaul>xbayrockx: is there a debian way to work that out?
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17:21*ompaul wonders what apt-cache policy python and apt-cache search python do
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17:22*robinetd blinks at ompaul.
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17:22<ompaul>robinetd: maybe I am dropping a clue from a height
17:22<s_i_m>ompaul, be simpler.
17:22<ompaul>s_i_m: ok
17:23<robinetd>ompaul: You paul o'malley?
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17:23<ompaul>xbayrockx: start here apt-cache search python then check to see if it is installed with the apt-cache policy
17:23<ompaul>robinetd: I hope so
17:24<xbayrockx>thats ok i got it
17:24<robinetd>ompaul: Long time no see <3
17:24<xbayrockx>aptitude gives you suggestions
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17:24<ompaul>robinetd: #debian-offtopic and there you can see people who have fun :)
17:24<ompaul>like me
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17:25<ceipha>Hi! I use Debian Squeeze and GNOME on my three machines, and found out that on each of them Control-V and Shift-Insert sometimes paste different text. Why so? I can't remember it was the case in Lenny.
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17:29<s_i_m>ceipha, there is a CLIPBOARD and a PRIMARY selection in X
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17:32<ceipha>s_i_m, were they not somehow synchronized in previous versions?
17:33<s_i_m>ceipha, they were always separate, but there were always buggy software not using them properly
17:34<pickcoder>people have fun on IRC?
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17:34<s_i_m>pickcoder, is this a question?
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17:35<pickcoder>sorry.. wrong punctuation
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17:35<xbayrockx>hey
17:36<xbayrockx>how can i get latest drivers for my ati card
17:36<xbayrockx>in debian
17:36<ceipha>s_i_m, well, my experience was that they were the same in Lenny, and for some time in testing Squeeze. Anyway, thanks for data, I've become a bit smarter now ;)
17:36<jj_>can sum one tell me how i check my console is using dash plz dpkg dont tell me
17:36<ompaul>!ati
17:36<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
17:37<s_i_m>jj_, I bet your console is not using dash.
17:37<jj_>im using debian sqeeze
17:37<jhutchins_lt>s_i_m: It's the standard shell these days, isn't it?
17:37<s_i_m>jj_, dash is for scripts
17:37<xbayrockx>!radeon
17:37<dpkg>Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>.
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17:37<ompaul>jj_: env | grep bin
17:38<jhutchins_lt>s_i_m: I think you'll find it's the standard shell as well
17:38<s_i_m>jhutchins_lt, the standard interactive shell for Debian is bash.
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17:42<pickcoder>squeeze has dash as required and lenny as optional
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17:42<pickcoder>yet bash is also required on both
17:42<pickcoder>conflict?
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17:43<GrandNin>Quelqu'un en ligne là?
17:43<s_i_m>pickcoder, no conflicts at all.
17:43<jhutchins_lt>pickcoder: Nah, you can have as many shells as you want.
17:44<GrandNin>Oh mon Dieu, des Anglais
17:44<jhutchins_lt>sh usually just links to bash, though it may link to dash now...
17:44<pickcoder>jhutchins_lt: of course.. but there is a default configured for user shells
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17:44<s_i_m>pickcoder, and that is bash
17:44<jhutchins_lt>...nope, still links to bash.
17:44<pickcoder>not according to the info for dash under squeeze
17:45<pickcoder>, it is used as the default system shell on Debian systems
17:45<s_i_m>jhutchins_lt, try reconfiguring dash, I think it asks on install
17:45<jhutchins_lt>pickcoder: I thought I'd seen that too - where did you find that?
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17:45<pickcoder>apt-cache show dash (squeeze)
17:45<ompaul>pickcoder: basic install of squeeze is bash at least here
17:46<pickcoder>lenny suggests you can alternatively use it by linking to /bin/sh
17:46<s_i_m>pickcoder, do you understand the difference between /bin/sh and an interactive shell?
17:46<pickcoder>sure
17:46<daemonkeeper>pickcoder: bash is used as standard shell, dash is used as standard shell for boot scripts (i.e. /bin/sh). There was indeed a (not so serious) dicussion to degrade bash
17:47<pickcoder>ok
17:47<pickcoder>I digress
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17:48<jhutchins_lt>s_i_m: You do understand that sh can also be used as an interactive shell?
17:48<s_i_m>jhutchins_lt, is that a rhetoric question?
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17:52<Nik05>can someone help me with preferred applications? Its still not working here :(
17:52<Nik05>If I start a .avi file its starting with tott player (or something) and not vlc
17:53<jhutchins_lt>daemonkeeper: sh is linked to /bin/bash here. I thought the new dash-optimized scripts called it directly.
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17:53<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: What desktop?
17:53<Nik05>a changed the command line in PreferredApplications-Multimedia to vlc
17:53<Nik05>gnome
17:53<daemonkeeper>jhutchins_lt: You perhaps upgraded from Lenny then
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17:54<jhutchins_lt>daemonkeeper: Ah, you're right, that window is the lenny box. Squeeze links sh to dash.
17:55<pickcoder>daemonkeeper: yeah that's probably the reason. I have an upgrade box here that still links bash
17:55<pickcoder>so the new scripts call dash directly then, which is why two possible system shells are required
17:55<pickcoder>(not that I really care one way or another)
17:55<pickcoder>:)
17:56<jhutchins_lt>pickcoder: Lots of scripts use bash-specific syntax (in which case they call bash).
17:56<jhutchins_lt>pickcoder: Easier to include it than to go through and de-bash them all.
17:56<pickcoder>jhutchins_lt: then dash shouldn't be noted as the "default system shell" under squeeze
17:56<pickcoder>but I guess for _new installs_ it's true
17:57<themill>it's the default /bin/sh, it's not the default login shell. "system shell" doesn't really have any meaning.
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17:57<themill>pickcoder: users are encouraged to switch /bin/sh to dash during the lenny->squeeze upgrade as well.
17:58<pickcoder>descriptions are worthless anyway
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18:02<jim_>hey
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18:02<s_i_m>yo
18:03<xbayrockx>hmm
18:03<xbayrockx>im having troubles installing drivers for my gfx card
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18:03<jim_>this my first time on irc how do i bring up a list of rooms
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18:04<don18>xbayrockx, what version?
18:04<don18>jim_, type /list
18:04<xbayrockx>what version of what?
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18:04<vrkalak>jim_: depends on how and what app you used to connect with IRC?
18:04<xbayrockx>i have an ati 6870 card, using debian 6.01a
18:04<daemonkeeper>jim_: Rooms are called channels. Your client should know. /list works, but tends to get unreadable on large networks, your client may have a nifty frontend for it
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18:04<don18>xbayrockx, which version of debian, and what specific card?
18:05<jim_>im using smuxi
18:05<xbayrockx>i told you ?
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18:05<jim_>thanks for ur guys patience im newbie to linux
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18:06<daemonkeeper>jim_: Never heard of that. Maybe you will find a menu entry pointing to it. Try right click on the server tab / server window or so
18:06<don18>xbayrockx, thanks. do they not install, or do they install and then not do what you expect?
18:06<meebey>jim_: in the menu its Chat -> Find Group Chat
18:07<meebey>asking that question on #smuxi would have been better though ;)
18:07<xbayrockx>root@debian-6870:~# aticonfig --initial
18:07<xbayrockx>aticonfig: No supported adapters detected
18:08<jim_>ok i need a new chat client any ideas?
18:08<s_i_m>xchat, maybe
18:08<pickcoder>telnet is fun.. heh
18:08<vrkalak>jim_: XChat?
18:09<daemonkeeper>There are about 21837124 IRC clients
18:09<meebey>if smuxi is too complicated for you, you will fail with the others ;)
18:09<pickcoder>Xchat is probably the easiest to pick up
18:09<pickcoder>IMO
18:09<babilen>!tell xbayrockx about radeon
18:09<s_i_m>smuxi seems to be not complete yet
18:09<don18>xbayrockx, yeah its a fairly new card so should be OK? Can you get any output at all from it?
18:09<babilen>!tell xbayrockx about fglrx dkms
18:09<meebey>s_i_m: has more features than xchat
18:09<jim_>ok im gonna try xchat
18:09<s_i_m>at least, look at this: http://www.smuxi.org/ezfaq/show/smuxi?faq_id=27
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18:10<meebey>s_i_m: /list command is useless, instead it has a full blown GUI solution
18:10<meebey>to find and join channels, no command needed at all
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18:11<jim_>well i click on the smuxi tab and nothing
18:11<xbayrockx>where is the sources.list kept ?
18:11<meebey>I said menu, not smuxi tab
18:11<daemonkeeper>xbayrockx: /etc/apt/
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18:11<jim_>wheres menu
18:11<jim_>?
18:11<meebey>below the window border?
18:12<meebey>err window title
18:12<meebey>that is called menu
18:12<s_i_m>meebey, well, maybe. I am not trying to say that smuxi is useless. I have not tried it yet.
18:12<jhutchins_lt>xbayrockx: lspci | grep VGA
18:13<jim_>damn this smuxi lol
18:13<jim_>ther is no menu anywhere
18:13<s_i_m>jim_, do not fight with it, it will bite :)
18:13<nyov>,versions virtualbox
18:13<judd>Package virtualbox on i386 -- sid: 4.0.8-dfsg-2; wheezy: 4.0.8-dfsg-2
18:13<meebey>I am pretty sure he uses some kind of global menu, say ubuntu interface
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18:14<meebey>s_i_m: http://www.smuxi.org/jaws/data/phoo/2008_07_19/smuxi-find-group-chat.png
18:14<nyov>how come there is a new virtualbox package in bpo? is it not supposed to be virtualbox-ose ?
18:14<jim_>ya i have ubunt
18:14<jim_>ubuntu
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18:14<daemonkeeper>Uhh, bad answer :>
18:14<daemonkeeper>Now you are fully off-topic here, I mean more than before
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18:15<jim_>im downloading xchat gnome
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18:16<pickcoder>nyov: could it be a meta package
18:16<gsimmons>nyov: The source package was renamed to 'virtualbox'; the metapackages were not backported TTBOMK.
18:16<daemonkeeper>Why would anyone backport a meta package?
18:16<nyov>pickcoder: doesn't look like one
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18:17<pickcoder>,versions virtualbox-ose
18:17<judd>Package virtualbox-ose on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.2.10-dfsg-1; squeeze-backports: 4.0.4-dfsg-2~bpo60+1; sid: 4.0.8-dfsg-2; wheezy: 4.0.8-dfsg-2
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18:18<s_i_m>meebey, xchat has a similar feature.
18:19<nyov>maybe my apt cache is being difficult again?
18:19<nyov>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=virtualbox&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=squeeze-backports
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18:19<xbayrockx>im getting no adapters supported
18:20<xbayrockx>no supported adapters detected
18:20<xbayrockx>and i dollowed the guide
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18:20<xbayrockx>followed*
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18:23<nyov>this virtualbox version 'supersedes' my upstream virtualbox package, so I was wondering if vbox' policy changed or if it is rather the OSE without *-ose appended?
18:26<nyov>oh, so I see the *-ose packages are transitions now
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18:31<nyov>So I guess my question is, does debian's virtualbox support usb-passthrough now?
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18:32<ZykoticK9_>nyov, no -OSE doesn't support USB, use Oracle's version if you want that feature
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18:33<themill>I thought it did now
18:34<ZykoticK9_>really? that would be cool.
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18:38<ml|>I think vbox-ose does support usb now, atleast a I see an option for that now
18:38<daemonkeeper>Yep
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18:40<nyov>any idea where I can find some info on that s/-ose// transition? would be nice if I can go back to debian's package
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18:41<test>hi, newbie needing some help with login loop here, anyone willing?
18:41<ZykoticK9_>Sure enough, looks like with version 4 the OSE/Non-OSE are the same according to http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions
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18:42<nyov>ZykoticK9_: thanks, found nothing in the changelogs or forums ;)
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18:42<nyov>test: explain
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18:46<test>whenever i login with my first (actual) user account, comes a black screen like the logout screen for a quick second (can't tell exactly what it is) and send me back to the user&password input; i somehow circumvent the problem by adding this new account via terminal now, but the actual account still have this problem
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18:47<jardel>olá
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18:48<jardel>olá
18:48<nyov>test: can you login to this account on a terminal?
18:48<jardel>i am from brazilian
18:48<daemonkeeper>!br
18:48<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:49<test>you mean the first? yeah, i can login from terminal but doesn't really help me much there
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18:50<jardel>yes
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18:50<jardel>I'm not the plugin's sound xubuntu.
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18:51<nyov>test: maybe your window manager fails, have you tried starting the session with another WM?
18:51<jardel>help me?
18:51<themill>!ubuntu-br jardel
18:51<dpkg>jardel: Este canal e para suportar o Debian em Ingles. Por favor, /server irc.freenode.net depois /join #ubuntu-br.
18:52<test>sorry, absolute beginner here..., don't really get your point
18:52<nyov>test: are you using Gnome and GDM, or KDE?
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18:53<jardel>KDE
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18:53<nyov>test: if you can login on the terminal, you could try to 'startx' and see if that works correctly
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18:54<nyov>test: meaning, login on that first account and then run 'startx'
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18:54<jardel>sorry, but in which terminal?
18:55<jj_>can sum1 tell me how i change the username i resintalled debian becuase of the bad packages there was to many to remove them all but i made a typo i need to change my username is there an easy way to do this
18:55<test>@nyov: i'll try that, brb
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18:56<daemonkeeper>jj_: usermod
18:56<jardel>sorry, I do not understand you.
18:56<daemonkeeper>jardel: We aren't talking to you
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18:57<jardel>ok, sorry.
18:58<jj_>daemonkeep usermod not found :(
18:58<jardel>could you help me?
18:58<jj_>nvm need to eb root
18:58<jj_>be*
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18:59<nyov>jardel: you are using ubuntu, you should go to the #ubuntu support channel on freenode
18:59<daemonkeeper>Or even #ubuntu-br, as themill suggested
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18:59<nyov>welll if he likes to talk english ;)
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19:00<jardel>I use xubuntu
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19:00<daemonkeeper>who wants to translate "based on debian" to portugese? ;)
19:00<jardel>I sound without the plugin.
19:01<nyov>jardel: I don't know if there is an #xubuntu channel, but the people in #ubunut can tell you that
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19:01<nyov>#ubuntu even
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19:01<ZykoticK9_>nyov, there is an #xubuntu channel as well. jardel
19:02<jardel>could show me?
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19:03<test>@nyov: on the login screen, ctrl+alt f2 and from that terminal 'startx' doesnt do anything; from the recovery terminal > "user not authorized to run the x server, aborting"
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19:03<jj_>daemonkeeper is this command right '? usermod --l adminsitrator admin
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19:04<daemonkeeper>Sounds about right
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19:04<daemonkeeper>-l though
19:04<jj_>if i do -l user admin dont exist
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19:05<jj_>admisitrator is wrong it need to be admin instead
19:05<nyov>test: i'm not sure if 'startx' works when gdm/xdm is still running, did startx give you any output at all?
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19:06<test>*scratch head* - sorry again, total newbie, don't really get it
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19:07<nyov>test: other question ;) did you maybe remove any hidden/dotfiles from your users home directory?
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19:08<ZykoticK9_>nyov, test "startx -- :1" would start a second X session if GDM/etc is already started (i don't think that's your issue with the "user not authorized" error though)
19:08<jj_>ok im lost i did commands and username is the same can somone tell me exactly what the command should be plz for usermod to change adminsitrator to admin plz
19:09<daemonkeeper>I told you. You need to logout to make the change visible.
19:09<test>not that i'm aware of... it worked perfectly yesterday, then today this stupid login loop happened
19:09<jj_>i did logout
19:10<jj_>daemon i did logout and logged back in and it is the same :'(
19:10<nyov>ZykoticK9_: I don't know anything about a recovery terminal though, do you maybe?
19:10<daemonkeeper>So you did use usermod wrong
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19:10<ZykoticK9_>nyov, no idea! sorry.
19:11-!-mode/#debian [+l 448] by debhelper
19:11<nyov>ZykoticK9_: ok, any other ideas welcome :p
19:11<BigCashMoneyPlaya>hi- i need to make a user have no password, how do i do that?
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19:12<nyov>test: what do you mean by recovery terminal?
19:12<nyov>alt+f8 or something?
19:12<DontHateThePlayerHateTheGame>is that even possible?
19:12<s_i_m>BigCashMoneyPlaya, perhaps, you want the autologin feature?
19:13<DontHateThePlayerHateTheGame>i don't want to use keys
19:13<DontHateThePlayerHateTheGame>this is on a totally local network, so security is not an issue
19:13<DontHateThePlayerHateTheGame>it will be for the user 'source' on the box that hosts our bazaar repository
19:14<test>well, at the login screen, i have this 4 choice: *recovery terminal, *user modified, *xfce and *xubuntu sessions, i think
19:14<nyov>damn
19:14<akerl>DontHateThePlayerHateTheGame: Security is *always* an issue
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19:15<DontHateThePlayerHateTheGame>akerl- well, right now the password is not a strong one
19:15<DontHateThePlayerHateTheGame>it's just the username
19:15<DontHateThePlayerHateTheGame>lol
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19:15<akerl>DontHateThePlayerHateTheGame: That's what we call a fail
19:15<s_i_m>DontHateThePlayerHateTheGame, passwd -d But I hope you know what you are doing.
19:15<DontHateThePlayerHateTheGame>that's what i call a fail as well,
19:15<akerl>DontHateThePlayerHateTheGame: And your solution is to have no password?
19:16<nyov>test: what happens if you run 'user modified' ? (i should send you to #ubuntu, but I'll pretend I didn't see that)
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19:17<test>:) - same deal, looping...
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19:19<nyov>now i'm stumped. is xfce using xdm?
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19:20<daemonkeeper>Desktop environments are usually display manager agnostic
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19:21<daemonkeeper>That said, it is perhaps using gdm as xfce us using GTK
19:21<ZykoticK9_>nyov, sounds like test is using xubuntu... are you sure you want to be troubleshooting that?
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19:22<nyov>ZykoticK9_: yeah I know, my problem if I do
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19:22<nyov>ZykoticK9_: though I'm not sure I can help anyhow ;)
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19:22<daemonkeeper>Note the x in xdm stands for X11, not xfce.
19:22<nyov>daemonkeeper: I know
19:22<ZykoticK9_>nyov, sorry, I saw your reply re:ubuntu afterwards. sorry.
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19:23<nyov>ZykoticK9_: no, i think my response came out wrong, sorry
19:24<test>@ZykoticK9: hit the spot, as i said, newbie, got in the first channel available... : p
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19:24<gkaklas>is X11 a display manager?
19:24<nyov>test: what happened when you ran 'startx' in Alt+F2 ?
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19:24<ZykoticK9_>gkaklas, no X11 was the GUI that Xorg replaced
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19:24<daemonkeeper>More than a GUI actually
19:25<nyov>test: did it flicker the screen, do nothing, give you some text?
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19:25<ZykoticK9_>daemonkeeper, do you want to explain the client/server which is somewhat backwards to typically understood as well ;)
19:26<daemonkeeper>Well, actually I was thinking about the libraries, hardware drivers, display painting frameworks etc.
19:26<gkaklas>so, what is the difference in gdm's, kdm's etc job with X11's one?
19:26<daemonkeeper>X11/Xorg is the base of all graphical/window display in (desktop) Linux environments.
19:27<daemonkeeper>Nothing, its a drop-in replacement. Its just pure, plain X11 looks ugly ;)
19:27<test>nope, no text, prob. blink once (not sure) or nothing and back to the prompt
19:27<daemonkeeper>However both large toolkits, GTK and Qt ultimately use X11 again
19:29<gkaklas>ok, thnx!
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19:30<gkaklas>may i ask what's the problem with test's machine? i just logon...
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19:31<nyov>gkaklas: if you know, please do tell ;)
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19:33<gkaklas>actually i can't figure out what is happening... i missed his question.
19:33<nyov>gkaklas: gdm won't login to xfce on one account, but it works on another one
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19:35<gkaklas>? is it possible for xfce to run gdm? gdm stands for gnome display manager, its a seperate desktop environment...
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19:36<daemonkeeper>gdm can start every given desktop environment, including xfce and KDE
19:37<nyov>test: that "user not authorized to run the x server, aborting" should probably tell us something, but I got no clue what
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19:37<daemonkeeper>A display manager is no more than a (not so) tiny program which is automatically started with its only purpose to display a login display and the ability to start a window manager/desktop environment
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19:39<gkaklas>aha... i think i start getting it.
19:39<ZykoticK9_>nyov, i searched for that error and found some people getting the same thing - but couldn't find an "easy" solution... test
19:40<nyov>ZykoticK9_: ubuntu specific?
19:40<ZykoticK9_>nyov, no i don't think so...
19:40<nyov>ZykoticK9_: also, thanks.
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19:42<nyov>i wonder if startx should leave debug output on the console. there's no -v switch or anything apparently
19:42<gkaklas>i don't know, but, does gdm uses super powers (i mean sudo) to login into xfce? if so, maybe the user isn't in the sudoers file. just saying...
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19:43<ZykoticK9_>actually one of the "solutions" was to use sudo to startx - NOT a good idea in my opinion
19:43<nyov>test: can you switch back to Alt+F2, run 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop' and then run 'startx'? you will lose your current login session though
19:43<nyov>ZykoticK9_: ouch
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19:44<test>@ZykoticK9: yep, googled it today at my univ. library, tried the 'supposed' solutions but none really works other than this one w/ the new user; but it doesn't really solve the problem with the first actual user account
19:44<nyov>test: if it doesn't work then, you'll have to run 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start' again to get the graphical login back
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19:44<nyov>test: ok then scratch that, if we know it won't work anyway...
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19:45<ZykoticK9_>test, FYI typing Z - y - k - o - t - i - c - K - 9 - _ is a PAIN, most IRC clients you can use Zy<TAB> to autocomplete nics
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19:46<s_i_m>test, as a workaround you may try doing dpkg-reconfigure x11-common and selecting "anyone"
19:46<test>thx 4 the info : )
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19:51<s_i_m>test, have you already tried that?
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19:52<Erbureth>Hi
19:53<s_i_m>yo
19:53<Erbureth>is there a way to recover from failed build using git-buildpackage?
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19:53<test>@s_i_m: that i'd try, cause one suggestion i tried was the 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' or so ; and it did something, but as i read above x11 and not xfce...? brb
19:54<Erbureth>the build itself went fine, only the packaging failed, because of the obsolete file lists in debian/*.install
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19:54<s_i_m>Erbureth, you may run fakeroot debian/rules binary
19:54<Erbureth>provided that i fixed those lists, is there a way to "resume", or do i have to rebuild everything from scratch?
19:56<Erbureth>s_i_m: thanks, i'll try that
19:56<s_i_m>debian/rules is a Makefile, so resuming a build is just natural
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19:57<Erbureth>so the invocation is make -f debian/rules?
19:57<s_i_m>(I will not comment on the recent trend of replacing make with the infamous dh script, though...)
19:57<Erbureth>or fakeroot make -f debian/rules
19:57<s_i_m>no
19:57<s_i_m>fakeroot debian/rules binary
19:57<s_i_m>debian/rules is an executable Makefile
19:58<s_i_m>look inside
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19:58<Erbureth>ah, i see #!/usr/bin/make -f
19:59<DontHateThePlayerHateTheGame>hey- is star in debian?
19:59<DontHateThePlayerHateTheGame>like for making tarballs?
19:59<Erbureth>s_i_m: thanks a lot
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19:59<themill>dpkg: tell DontHateThePlayerHateTheGame about search
20:00<MrFrood>DontHateThePlayerHateTheGame: pick a shorter name next time please
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20:00<DontHateThePlayerHateTheGame>!tell themill I already did that
20:00<Erbureth>s_i_m: thanks a lot
20:00<DontHateThePlayerHateTheGame>i didn't see it
20:01-!-mode/#debian [+l 442] by debhelper
20:01<Erbureth>sorry, bad window
20:01<s_i_m>Erbureth, np.
20:01<test>@s_i_m: nope, it did something, but the login loop is still there
20:01<s_i_m>test, there is also a loop?
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20:01<s_i_m>test, what kind of?
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20:02<test>i took a better glimpse at the black screen after i put in the password, it does look like the logout black screen, i.e. it is possible that i was immediately logged out after the login....
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20:03<jj>ur probally going to laugh cus this is so stupid i managed to change my username to admin and i renamed the home directory to the new name but it is saying i cant login unless i correct the director adminstirator as it is missing i renamed it to admin .. what do i do to fix this ?
20:03<test>the loop: after login i got a black screen for like a second and it came back to the login screen
20:03<s_i_m>test, this seems like X server cannot start
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20:04<s_i_m>test, ls -l /usr/bin/X
20:05<nyov>would that problem be logged in Xorg.0.log?
20:05<s_i_m>yep
20:05<nyov>s_i_m: it works with another account, so X should be there
20:06<s_i_m>nyov, I belive it is there :) I wanted to see the permissions (just in case)
20:06<s_i_m>cuz you are on bubuntu
20:06<nyov>s_i_m: ah alright
20:06<test>that seems highly probable but is it possible that it only occur for one user?
20:06<test>btw "-rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 9628 2011-04-05 19:02 /usr/bin/X"
20:06<s_i_m>this looks good
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20:07<jj>how do i tell the debian system that my home directory is called admin now not administrator ? as it wont let me login?
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20:07<themill>jj: usermod
20:07<Erbureth>jj: i think you have to edit specific record in /etc/passwd
20:08<jj>so etc/passwd or usermod witch is best ?
20:08<Erbureth>jj: or usermod will do it for you :)
20:08<jj>ok ill brb i hope
20:08<jj>ty
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20:10<MrFrood>DontHateThePlayerHateTheGame: http://tx0.org/2at :(
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20:11<nyov>test: ls -l /var/log/Xorg.*
20:11<Erbureth>How do i escape spaces in debian/*.install files? \(space) doesn't work
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20:11<nyov>test: is there an Xorg.1.log or an Xorg.0.log.old ?
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20:11<s_i_m>Erbureth, spaces in filenames?
20:12<Erbureth>s_i_m: yes
20:12<s_i_m>mm
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20:12<themill>Erbureth: ? (wildcards work). But maybe you should rename the files....
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20:13<Erbureth>themill: thanks, i'll try that. i can't rename, it's Calligra suite
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20:14<test>@nyov: Xorg.0.log (and .old)
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20:15<nyov>test: apt-get install pastebinit - then we can get your Xorg log pasted and hope the error is in there from your last try
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20:16<s_i_m>Erbureth, themill, yeah, there seems to be nothing besides wildcards currently...
20:16<test>E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
20:16<test>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
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20:16<nyov>test: run with sudo
20:17<Erbureth>test: do you have synaptic or aptitude runnign elsewhere?
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20:18<test>with sudo comes:
20:18<test>Reading package lists... Done
20:18<test>Building dependency tree
20:18<test>Reading state information... Done
20:18<test>The following extra packages will be installed:
20:18<test> python-configobj
20:18-!-test was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
20:18<nyov>don't paste.. damn
20:19<s_i_m>going to sleep. oyasumi
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20:20<nyov>test_: don't paste, just install it
20:20<test_>hahaha, any channel rules i just broke? : p
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20:20<nicholi>how do you determine the name of a kernel module in order to load it ?
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20:21<nyov>test_: yeah, that's why you install pastebinit right now, so you don't have to paste it here
20:21<nicholi>i want to load CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_MULTIPORT for use in iptables
20:21<test_>done, now what?
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20:23<nicholi>sort of a generic question as i've wondered how you find what modules are available to install...
20:23<nicholi>how/where to look
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20:24<nyov>test_: run: pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net -i /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
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20:25<nyov>and let's see that url (hope Xorg.0.log.old really is from your last failed attempt)
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20:27<sun>hi when i start x, then it seesm to read only some of my .xinitrc and not all of it. i get the window manager, but not xmodmap, which i have to type manually... any idea what's wrong?
20:27<SynrG>nicholi: re your earlier question, perhaps: ls -R /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/net/netfilter
20:27<MrFrood>sun: what commandd in .xinitrc to start your wm?
20:27<sun>i3
20:28<MrFrood>sun: full command?
20:28<sun>that's the whole command in .xinitrc to start i3, seems to work... is there supposed to be more?
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20:28<nicholi>SynrG: ahh thanks :)
20:29<MrFrood>sun: yes
20:29<MrFrood>sun: try
20:29<nicholi>i see i also could have done modprobe -l :p stupid me
20:29<nicholi>nice to know the location though too
20:29<MrFrood>exec ck-launch-session i3
20:29<SynrG>as for modules outside the kernel tree, the easiest ones to deal with have -dkms packages
20:30<test_>@nyov: what about the site?
20:30<nyov>test_: pastebinit should give you an URL back, please post that
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20:32<nyov>test_: nvm, found it
20:33<nyov>test_: looks good, actually. maybe X didn't even start logging
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20:44<Erbureth>seems like packaging calligra suite is quite too much a bite for me... :/
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20:45<Erbureth>my respect to anyone who is able to pull it off
20:46<nyov>test_: did you upgrade your xserver-xorg-video-radeon recently?
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20:47<test_>not to my knowledge...
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20:48<nyov>test_: this is a pretty recent post with the same error you get, but no fix - http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?56056-Multi-Monitor-DDD-Radeon-Xorg-crash
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20:49<nyov>but there are many threads, old and new, mentioning that 'ddxSigGiveUp: Closing log' message you get
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20:55<Erbureth>nyov: i have encountered similar thing -- gpu lockup
20:55<Erbureth>test_: you may want to disable colortiling
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20:56<nyov>it seems to be related to radeon drivers, maybe poking around in Xorg.conf could fix it
20:57<nyov>Erbureth: how would that look like?
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20:58<test_>@Erbureth: pardon?
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20:58<Erbureth>http://paste.debian.net/120711/
20:59<Erbureth>test_: ^^^
20:59<nyov>test_: ok, you can try that
20:59<Erbureth>nyov: i tried colortiling as means to get greater speed
21:00<Erbureth>however it is not yet there
21:00<nyov>Erbureth: so you're saying it's off by default?
21:00<Erbureth>nyov: in debian, it is
21:00<Erbureth>however they enabled it in git driver
21:00<nyov>alright
21:01<nyov>test_: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
21:01<nyov>test_: or an /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory?
21:03<nyov>(trying to walk you through, but maybe you know how to change that already)
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21:04<test_>nope (and i do not know how to :)
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21:06<nyov>test_: nope? what nope
21:07<test_>no such folder under x11
21:07<Erbureth>test_: btw, what graphic card do you have?
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21:08<nyov>test_: no xorg.conf either?
21:08<Erbureth>test_: than sudo mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
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21:09<test_>tough question, just got this comp as a gift (a used one) and i see no xorg.conf either
21:10<nyov>Erbureth: does that work, having only a part of xorg.conf in that directory?
21:10<Erbureth>nyov: it works for me (01-radeon.conf is the only file in the directory and i have no xorg.conf file either)
21:10<nyov>Erbureth: the card is here, http://paste.debian.net/120708
21:11<nyov>Erbureth: ok :) never had that directory yet
21:12<Erbureth>nyov: ah, that's the old radeon
21:12<Erbureth>that shouldn't be affected
21:13<nyov>...
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21:13<Erbureth>i tought it's r600 based chipset, as you were talking about the new driver problem
21:20<nyov>test_: maybe that's a good time to switch to freenode and join #ubuntu ;) or #ubuntu-de and spam them with that Xorg paste and any info you gathered
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21:21<test_>i'll do that, prob tomorrow, really late here; thanks anyway, those who tried to help; bubye...
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21:22<Erbureth>test_: bye and good luck
21:22<jhutchins_kc>We need an on-join message from the bot that says "If you're running Ubuntu or Mint please go away".
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21:23<test_>thx, bye
21:23<nyov>test_: try debian next time ;)
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21:23<nyov>good luck
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21:31<bst>jhutchins: if _lt is laptop , what is _kc ? :)
21:32<Erbureth>ha, calligra is finally built :)
21:32<robinetd>jhutchins: Or just put it in the topic.
21:32<Erbureth>do you think that maintainers would be interested in my crude changes to the file lists to package second alpha snapshot?
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21:40<Erbureth>damn, it's not working anyway
21:40<Erbureth>goodnight
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21:43<jj>usermod would not of helped admin is reserved name so had no choice but to reinstall but im not using nothing but squeeze repos from now on i learnt the hard way
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