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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-06-23

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01:04<Flimzy>What happened to iceweasel 4.0 on mozilla.debian.net? Is it forever gone, or is there just some temporary issue with the packages?
01:06<cthuluh>still available here
01:06<cthuluh> *** 4.0.1-1~bpo60+1 0
01:06<cthuluh> 500 http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports/iceweasel-4.0 i386 Packages
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01:07<Flimzy>Which would translate to a literal URL of http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/squeeze-backports/iceweasel-r.0/binary-i386/Packages, right?
01:07<Flimzy>Which doesn't exist.
01:07<Flimzy>s/r.0/4.0/
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01:09<cthuluh>true
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01:12<Flimzy>cthuluh: How did you verify that icewease 4.0 is available to you? Did you just look at your existing apt list, or did you refresh it just now?
01:12<sney>that's his apt-cache policy output
01:12<cthuluh>apt-cache policy. but I am using apt-cacher-ng
01:12<cthuluh>if you look closely you have iceweasel 5 and 6 in this repo 8)
01:12<sney>sometimes mozilla.debian.net has reachability issues, since it's an alioth project. they split the alioth stuff onto 2 machines but it's still not exactly optimal
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01:12<chealer>Flimzy: gone
01:13<Flimzy>cthuluh: Yeah, they have 3.6, 5.0, 6.0, beta, and aurora... none of which I want :)
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01:13<Flimzy>So should I assume this is a fluke, and check back in a day or two?
01:14<sney>Flimzy: if you're in a hurry I can upload the deb somewhere. but yeah, it's probably a shuffle.
01:14<Flimzy>it's not a huge hurry, no. I actually have a 3-day old version in /var/cache/apt on my laptop... so if it's important, I can grab it from there.
01:14<sney>ah. same here
01:15<Flimzy>thanks for the offer, though :)
01:15<cthuluh>I'm curious about the fifth version, though. will test it later today. and about the sixth...
01:16<chealer>Flimzy: no, packages are gone
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01:22<fox>I have been playing around with fglrx and compiz and what not... I got everything perfect.. but now my gnome panel is on the wrong monitor and I cant seem to move it?
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01:34<Guest5823>anyone know of any good face recognition software other than pam?
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02:45<Nazcafan>hello
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02:46<Nazcafan>I can not launch the gnome front-end for dpkg
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02:46<ethan>I have been having problems running the following, I am sure the answer is very simple. . .keep getting errors .... http://pastie.org/2109851 here are the errors http://pastie.org/2109857 looks like mymv command is wrong what else am I missing?
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02:47<Nazcafan>http://codepad.org/QeFW75Dn has anyone come across the same problem when using dpkg ?
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03:07<agentc>hi what is param for cp to copy recursive without create dirs at target dir?
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03:09<rat409>/part
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03:11<agentc>if you can tell send answer to handy@
03:13<s_i_m>agentc, do you need to copy only files, or what?
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03:42<tony>can anyone please help me startup a file with java
03:42<Zaba>what's the problem
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03:43<tony>i cant run a jar file
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03:44<Zaba>why not?
03:45<tony>idk how to run it
03:45<Zaba>java -jar $jarfile
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03:47<tony>ok does the "$" have to be included
03:47<Quite>nope
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03:47<Quite>dunno why he put it there
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03:48<mjt>it's a way in shell/perl to denote a variable
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03:48<Quite>but this was about a filename, wasn't it?
03:48<Quite>correct me if i'm wrong
03:48<mjt>yes
03:49<mjt>$foo in this context usually mean "substitute your value"
03:49<Quite>never mind... there are files which start with '$' too ;)
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03:49<Quite>alright, gotcha
03:49<mjt>and for that, you'd use \$filename
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03:49<Quite>one could also use <filename>
03:50<Quite>less confusing to me, at least
03:50<Quite>to each his own ;)
03:50<mjt>no, that's more confusing with shell redirection
03:50<Quite>well, true... lol
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03:50<Quite>i prefer the plain "java -jar filename"
03:50<Quite>people could of course mistake "filename" for a file called just that
03:51<mjt>if you can distinguish between literal "filename" and something to substitute with the actual name.
03:51<Quite>yup...
03:51<mjt>ok, it's enough of this please :)
03:51<Quite>lol!
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04:01<tony>can anyone help me update my java 6 runtime
04:03<tony>anyone there?
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04:04<cesurasean>Is there a way to get more involved with debian projects?
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04:05<tony>hello
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04:06<slush>cesurasean: http://blog.zobel.ftbfs.de/2011/06/how-you-can-help-debian-1.html
04:06<MrFrood>tony: hang in there if somebody knows how to help you they will chip in
04:06<tony>ok sorry
04:07<Quite>good morning/night MrFrood
04:07<MrFrood>morning Quite
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04:07<babilen>tony: To which version do you want to update it and what is the problem?
04:08<MrFrood>tony: it might help if you give more info about what you are trying to do?
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04:08<tony>babilen idk to the most recent version
04:09*MrFrood knows tony is sorted now babilen is on the case ;)
04:09<babilen>tony: run "aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade' and you should have the latest version.
04:09<tony>:)
04:10<tony>ok i will do that so its two commands or together
04:10<babilen>tony: But why do you think you do not have the latest version? Which Java runtime do you use? (openjdk, sun, ..)
04:10<tony>openjdk
04:10<babilen>tony: doesn't really matter -- I would run them seperately, but you can execute it exactly like that.
04:10<babilen>tony: Ok, what does "dpkg -l openjdk-6-jre|tail -1" give you?
04:11<tony>ok iw ill do that
04:11<babilen>tony: Which version of Debian do you use?
04:11<babilen>,versions openjdk-jre
04:11<judd>Sorry, no package named 'openjdk-jre' was found in i386.
04:11<babilen>*rage*
04:12<babilen>hang on :)
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04:12<babilen>,versions openjdk-6-jre
04:12<judd>Package openjdk-6-jre on i386 -- lenny: 6b11-9.1; squeeze: 6b18-1.8.3-2; lenny-security: 6b18-1.8.7-2~lenny1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 6b18-1.8.7-2~squeeze1; squeeze-security: 6b18-1.8.7-2~squeeze1; sid: 6b18-1.8.7-5; wheezy: 6b18-1.8.7-5; experimental: 6b23~pre2-2
04:12*MrFrood giggles @ babilen's *rage*
04:12<tony>babilen: do i run the open jdk first im not sure which version of debian i run i am on mintppc 9.2
04:13<babilen>tony: Which is *no* version of Debian. You should rather ask in a mint specific channel as we can not support it here.
04:13<babilen>!mint
04:13<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
04:13*gnugr goodmorning everyone
04:13<MrFrood>tony: though mint is iirc based on testing it is not debian
04:14<tony>ok i will try
04:14*babilen hands gnugr a Φραπέ
04:14<gnugr>babilen: no, just a traditional coffee
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04:15<gnugr>babilen: thks anyway
04:15<Quite>unicode rocks
04:15<MrFrood>when it works
04:15<Quite>indeed
04:15<Quite>xchat seems to be relatively intelligent about it
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04:17*MrFrood does not use xchat ... in fact MrFrood has never used a GUI IRC client :)
04:18<Quite>if it wasn't for having to use a graphical web browser and watching images i would use ircii in console
04:18<Quite>oh, video too
04:18<Quite>i think xchat is solid for a GUI client though
04:18<MrFrood>Quite: all can be done in a framebuffered VT
04:19<Quite>prolly, but relatively inflexible compared to a real gui
04:19<Quite>at least in my book
04:19<Quite>not to say i like gui, on the contrary
04:19<MrFrood>Quite: moving to offtopic
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05:04<Nik05>lol i think there is a dep issue with "testing"
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05:05<classical>hello guys
05:05<classical>i wonder if you planning to ship gnome3 in wheezy ?
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05:07<SynrG>Nik05: for testing, see #debian-next
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05:10<MrFrood>!gnome3
05:10<dpkg>GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>.
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05:12<Quite>so wheezy is also the name of the next stable?
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05:12<petemc>yes
05:12<Quite>thank you
05:12<Quite>i'm beginning to understand the mechanics ;)
05:13<Quite>thought it was just a form of nickname for testing
05:13<Quite>rather pointless, anyway
05:13<AriMartti>yes, there is unstable (always sid), testing, stable and oldstable version of debian
05:14<Quite>alright
05:14<Zaba>Quite, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html#s3.1.9 might clear things up
05:14<Quite>yes, great
05:14<Quite>thank you
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05:15<AriMartti>packages goes from unstable to testing after a few weeks bugfix quarantine time
05:15<Quite>at the moment i won't touch either, though... i'm doing fine
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05:16<Quite>i upgraded the kernel to 2.6.38 from the backports before, but i'm sticking with 2.6.32
05:16<demonkeeper>s/weeks/days/
05:16<demonkeeper>i.e. 3, 5, or 10 days
05:16<SynrG>for low priority uploads, 10 days without an RC bug is sufficient to migrate to testing
05:16<Quite>uh huh
05:16<Quite>ok
05:16<SynrG>of course, longer if there *are* rc bugs
05:16<Quite>well, i like the strict organization of debian
05:17<Zaba>they also need to be built for all platforms, iirc
05:17<Quite>no other distro has such stringent policies as far as i know
05:17<AriMartti>demonkeeper: ok, nice to know exactly
05:17<Zaba>so sometimes they are delayed because one port fails to build
05:17<SynrG>Quite: the debian policy manual is a thing of beauty. read it sometime if you like such things.
05:17<Quite>yes
05:17<Quite>yes thanks :)
05:17<demonkeeper>Zaba: Not all platforms, but on all platforms, a package should compile.
05:18<AriMartti>Quite: how about rhel?
05:18<Quite>haven't tried it, but i'm sure it's ok in that regard
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05:19<demonkeeper>For testing migration the following matters: a) quarantine period passed (3/5/10 days) b) it does not introduce new RC bugs c) all dependencies are satisfied d) it builds on all platforms where it should build.
05:19<Quite>i have tried ubuntu, slackware and opensuse lately after my big linux/unix break, but i finally settled with debian
05:19<Zaba>I wonder why would a .39 kernel fail to boot here, and just reboot after grub loads it and the initramfs
05:19<Zaba>.38 works just fine
05:20<Zaba>I get no messages, not even when booting without 'quiet', after those printed by grub. Not even sure how I'd go about debugging this.
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05:20<AriMartti>if wheezy will have gnome 3.0 then is it possible to hame linux kernel 3.0 also?
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05:21<Zaba>linux 3.0 might be out in time for wheezy, who knows
05:21<AriMartti>who knows ;)
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05:29<meebey>whats the right way to add the rc.d symlinks for a new init.d script when dependency basd boot is used? update-rc.d seems to be wrong as it wants to know the priority
05:29<maxb>insserv is what you want
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05:30<weasel>update-rc.d was always wrong. it's a maintainer tool, not an admin tool.
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05:31<meebey>thanks
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05:31<meebey>maintainer tools should not be in PATH IMHO :)
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05:32<weasel>they have always been. *shrug*
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05:40<AriMartti>what the firefox's new releasing cycle means to debian project?
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05:41<AriMartti>will there be upgrade path e.g. from firefox (iceweasel) 4.0 -> 11.0?
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05:43<demonkeeper>Why not? Its not substantially different than upgrading 1.5 to 3.0 or so. Remember they don't change major features, only numbers.
05:43<valdyn>AriMartti: means nothing
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05:45<s_i_m>... because if they do not release new versions the money flow will stop.
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05:48<AriMartti>darn
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05:54<s_i_m>AriMartti, if you need a recent iceweasel you may find it here http://mozilla.debian.net/
05:54<AriMartti>i don't
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05:55<pentester>hi
05:55<AriMartti>but thanks anyway
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05:56<Quite>martti?
05:57<pentester>who can tell what OS im using underneath this BB
05:57<Quite>they have 5.0 there, don't they?
05:57<Quite>from the backports
05:57<babilen>pentester: What is a "BB" ?
05:57<AriMartti>is 5.0 stable out yet?
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05:58<pentester>Black Buntu
05:58<Quite>no
05:58<Quite>not that i know of
05:58<AriMartti>firefox 5.0*
05:58<Quite>but they have it in the backports
05:58<Quite>ah
05:58<s_i_m>5.0 is working ok here
05:58<Quite>well, iceweasel is merely a renaming, as far as i understand it
05:58<alberror>but iceweasel seems not to be up-to-date, right ?
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05:58<babilen>pentester: No idea. You might want to ask in a Black Buntu channel or ##linux on irc.freenode.net -- This is a Debian support channel.
05:58<Quite>sounds good s_i_m
05:59<Quite>not the one in the stable, but you can get newer one from the backports, obviously
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05:59<Quite>http://mozilla.debian.net/
05:59<pentester>im just asking to see who can exploit me and tell me what im using
05:59<Quite>check out that one once again
06:00<babilen>pentester: Wrong channel, won't happen here. Please be so kind and take it elsewhere :)
06:00<Quite>i think i'll give it a shot
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06:00<pentester>whats this room for them?
06:00<pentester>or just no skills to do that ?
06:00<alberror>pentester : talking bout debian distro
06:01<pentester>ty
06:02<alberror>but in #lamers, they'll probably tell they can do it... but you'll probably have to wait a looooooooooooooooong time for it to happen
06:02<pentester>sweet
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06:04<pentester>no one is at #lamers
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06:05<Quite>i'm afraid to fsck something up again, though...
06:05<Nik05>can someone help me with iceweasel or debian in general?
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06:05<Nik05>because pictures are not rendered correct in iceweasel
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06:06<s_i_m>Nik05, give us an example
06:06<alberror>Nik05 > what do you mean by "not rendered correct" ?
06:06<Nik05>looks like iceweasel doesnt like jpg...
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06:07<Nik05>im watching a site right now and the pictures are strange like it cannot render jpg correctly
06:07<Nik05>on windows 7 its fine
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06:07<s_i_m>Nik05, the URL?
06:08<devil>Nik05: screenshot please
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06:08<Nik05>http://www.joop.nl/home/
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06:08<Nik05>1 sec making ss
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06:09<devil>pics look good here
06:09<Nik05>hhm ooh im useing lxde
06:09<devil>the big one is not sharp in the background, but thats wanted
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06:10<Nik05>what program can i use to make screenshot?
06:10<Nik05>sorry im a newbie :p
06:10<alberror>shutter
06:10<devil>press your printkey and see if something happens
06:10<AriMartti>scrot?
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06:11<s_i_m>or even GIMP
06:11<Nik05>installing shutter
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06:13<devil>isnt there a small gtk tool like ksnapshot?
06:13<Nik05>shutter looks nice
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06:13<testu11>test
06:13<devil>shutter is nice, but overkill if you do an occasional screenie only
06:13<Nik05>http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7393/homejoopnliceweasel002.png
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06:14<Nik05>that the screenshot
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06:14<Nik05>this is really strange...
06:15<Nik05>after installing shutter and refreshing the page it now looks good....
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06:15<Nik05>did shutter install other stuff that help rendering jpg's?
06:15<devil>shutter didnt fix it
06:15<devil>not for iceweasel, nope
06:16<Katzenfreund>Hi
06:16<Nik05>maybe apt installed other stuff that shutter needed...
06:16<devil>Nik05: it did, around 50 mb
06:16<devil>at least thats wjhat it was for me in a kde environment
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06:17<Nik05>47.8 mb for a screenshot program :P
06:17<Katzenfreund>Can I prompt you guys with 2 questions about gnome (on debian testing)
06:17<Nik05>Katzen #debian-next
06:17<Quite>that's lean
06:17<devil>Katzenfreund: #debian-next is the appropriate channel
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06:17<Katzenfreund>K thx bye
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06:28<john>right this time before i go ahead with it witch free whcp should i use for debian sqeeze of tof the following
06:29<john>dpkg tell #debian about free whcp
06:29<john>as im made new install of debian
06:30<MrFrood>!whcp
06:30<dpkg>from memory, whcp is Web Hosting Control Panel. Ask me about <free whcp> and <non-free whcp>.
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06:30<MrFrood>!tell john about self tell
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06:31<john>!tell MrFrood about free whcp
06:33<MAXmark>http://www.ultimateeditionoz.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=200&sid=bc515a080ee3f56703a96c02a1dc8f2a
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06:33<MAXmark>:)
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06:33<MrFrood>john: ^^^ I got dpkg to post the whcp factoid in channel for you :-/
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06:36<ddd123>hello
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06:38<MrFrood>ddd123: hi
06:38<MrFrood>!ask
06:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:38<engine64>hi, can i use the Cisco ASA 5505 (version 8.2) as a router? is it possible?
06:38<demonkeeper>This is #debian
06:38<ddd123>do you know where is the non-free debian(lenny) DISK iso image ?
06:39<MrFrood>demonkeeper: you sure, I thought it was #cpm :-|
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06:39<demonkeeper>MrFrood: Rather :)
06:40<MrFrood>!tell ddd123 about lenny install
06:40<demonkeeper>engine64, Anyway, you might want to ask in #cisco on Freenode
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06:42<engine64>sorry demonkeeper
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06:46<ddd123>i have main and contrib diskes but apt-get tell me non-free disk to need
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06:47<ddd123>i am not good ad english . sorry
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06:48<s_i_m>ddd123, add network non-free repositories
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06:53<ddd123>apt-get update in lenny system tell me an error as list is too big.
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06:53<Kolt>hi
06:53<s_i_m>ddd123, paste your sources.list somewhere
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06:54<s_i_m>Kolt, ask your question (if any)
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06:57<Kolt>I have an asus w1v and I installed debian today. My question is how can I set up wlan? I need ipw2200 and it is already installed but I still am unable to manage the wlan
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07:02<s_i_m>Kolt, try reading this first http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200
07:03<MrFrood>ddd123: what is your native language?
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07:03<ddd123>my source.list have non-free repositories but network dose not work well with apt-get.
07:04<ddd123>japanese
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07:04<MrFrood>!jp
07:04<dpkg>Japanese speakers: please use #debianjp on irc.debian.or.jp or speak English here.
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07:05<ddd123>i want to install from diskes
07:05<MrFrood>ddd123: pastebin your source.list
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07:06<s_i_m>ddd123, apt-get works here flawlessly over the network
07:06<MrFrood>ddd123: did you get the links posted earlier to the lenny install disks?
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07:06<ddd123>paste all list?
07:07<MrFrood>!pastebin
07:07<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
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07:09<Quite>i must have been sleeping under a rock the last 10 years.... pastebin is neat
07:10<ddd123>i see. thx
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07:15<ddd123>my source.list is here . http://pastebin.com/wmmU9jwB
07:16<Quite>wow, that's a biggie
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07:17<MrFrood>Quite: spot any errors?
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07:17<Quite>hm
07:17<Quite>maybe it
07:18<Quite>maybe it's exhausted because of all those CDs
07:18<Quite>a DVD set would be leaner on space
07:18<Quite>in sources.list i mean
07:18<MrFrood>he is haveing issues with non-free
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07:18<Quite>ok
07:19<Quite>he would need to add non-free to all those lines, wouldn't he?
07:19<Quite>said the apt non-expert
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07:20<Quite>at least all CD lines
07:20<Quite>forget it
07:20<demonkeeper>He is not using any HTTP/FTP repository, non-free is not available on CD images. That said, this sources.list has almost all repositories enabled that may exist
07:20<Quite>sorry
07:20<Quite>just forget it
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07:20<demonkeeper>And moreover entirely unsupported. :)
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07:20<Quite>:)
07:21<s_i_m>he has deb http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib
07:21<Kolt>Hi! I have an asus w1v. I cant setup wlan. It wm3b2200bg wireless module. Al the drivers are installed and it still is not working. Could someone help me?
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07:21<demonkeeper>A right
07:21<demonkeeper>At the bottom
07:21<s_i_m>ddd123, if you change this to deb http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free, what happens?
07:22<ddd123>this source.list dose now work well with network in these days
07:22<s_i_m>i mean, after apt-get update
07:22<demonkeeper>I doubt anything works well there, having about a dozen third party repositories, testing and sid and experimental enabled.
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07:23<s_i_m>demonkeeper, you never know, maybe he has pinning
07:23<raa>hello
07:23<raa>my name is raa i liv in barcelona
07:24<s_i_m>Kolt, "still not working" is not a good description.
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07:24<MrFrood>!es
07:24<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
07:24<Kolt>It sais wireless device not managed
07:24<Quite>!se
07:24<dpkg>Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net), SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974.
07:24<Quite>heh
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07:25<s_i_m>Kolt, says who?
07:25<Kolt>The little icon in the upper right corner :)
07:25<s_i_m>oh, than it is a big problem, cuz I cannot talk to little icons
07:26<s_i_m>then*
07:26<Kolt>Ok but maybe u r able to tell me how to set up wlan? plz...
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07:26<MrFrood>s_i_m: what about big icons?
07:26<s_i_m>(that is perhaps Network Manager, but I do not use it)
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07:27<Kolt>yes
07:27<Kolt>network manager 0.8
07:27<streuner_>Kolt: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#NetworkManager
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07:28<streuner_>(if your wireless NIC Is supported)
07:29<Kolt>"Neighboring wireless networks with a broadcasted SSID should be listed: "
07:30<Kolt>My problem is that they are not
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07:30<Kolt>there is "device not managed" instead
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07:31<s_i_m>Kolt, "/sbin/ifconfig -a" lists your wlan card?
07:33<Kolt>it lists eth0 eth1 lo and pan0
07:33<s_i_m>and /sbin/iwconfig ?
07:34<gsimmons>Kolt: If your wireless LAN interface (e.g. eth1 for ipw2200) is defined in /etc/network/interfaces, NetworkManager will not manage by it default ; /msg nm squeeze
07:34<Kolt>yes it does
07:35<s_i_m>its pan0?
07:35<s_i_m>what interface?
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07:36<demonkeeper>pan0 isn't WiFi but Personal Area Networks, i.e. bluetotth
07:36<demonkeeper>*bluetooth
07:36<Kolt>list it
07:36<Kolt>i think its eth1
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07:37<Kolt>its eth1
07:37<s_i_m>Kolt, "/sbin/iwlist scanning"
07:37<ddd123>apt-get update (error) -> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
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07:38<Kolt>it can see the router
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07:38<ddd123>apt-get install foo (error) -> E: Wow, you exceeded the number of versions this APT is capable of.
07:38<s_i_m>Kolt, then the problem is the crappy NM.
07:39<Kolt>ok
07:39<Kolt>what shall I do?
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07:40<s_i_m>prey for help or uninstall it and use something else (wpa_supplicant, for instance)
07:40<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Kolt -about nm squeeze
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07:41<Kolt>allright but it manages my wired connection
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07:43<s_i_m>dpkg: tell s_i_m -about nm squeeze
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07:43<john>can sum1 please tell me how to remove these there all wrong lol OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.8.7) (6b18-1.8.7-2~squeeze1)
07:43<john>OpenJDK Server VM (build 14.0-b16, mixed mode)
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07:45<Kolt>ok
07:45<Kolt>I uninstalled network manager
07:45<babilen>john: I do not quite understand your question. It would be great if you would make the effort to type correctly :) -- What problem does "there all wrong lol OpenJDK" describe? Do you want to remove the openjdk jre?
07:46<Kolt>how do i use wpa_supplicant ?
07:47<babilen>Kolt: Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz -- it explains the typical setups. Do you have to switch between networks or will you only connect to a single one?
07:47<Kolt>Im gone use multiple networks. At least I hope so....
07:48<Kolt>*gonna...
07:48<babilen>Kolt: Ok. In that case you want to configure wpasupplicant in "roaming" mode -- Read that file and take a look at /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wpa-roam.conf
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07:49<babilen>Kolt: Why don't you use something like wicd or network-manager? There is absolutely nothing wrong with wpasupplicant but I found wicd (and probably NM these days) to be easier to handle if I have to connect to new networks frequently.
07:50<misaq>hello everyone
07:50<s_i_m>babilen, NM is not working in his setup.
07:50<Kolt>i have just uninstalled nM because it was not working
07:50<misaq>can anyone help me with a problem with my Email?
07:50<babilen>s_i_m: ACK :)
07:50<s_i_m>misaq, what problem?
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07:57<misaq>s_i_m: I cannot access my hotmail inbox
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07:58<s_i_m>misaq, that can be because of a multitude of reasons...
07:58<misaq>when I login into my account, I cannot access many options. still I can open SkyDrive
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07:59<misaq>does anyone have a link to hotmail by which I can change the default language to English?
08:00<misaq>i suspect that is the problem. my local language has automatically been chosen in the account.
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08:00<s_i_m>you may change the default language in the settings of your browser
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08:01<AriMartti>ddd123: i wonder why you have enabled package repos of all debian versions (lenny, stable, testing, unstable and experimental)
08:01<AriMartti>ddd123: you are familiar with apt pinning and apt::config?
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08:02<misaq>I am trying it
08:02<AriMartti>ddd123: becouse with your sources.list (in pastebin) seems like you should be
08:03<misaq>s_i_m: I checked the browser settings. everything is ok
08:03<misaq>language default is English
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08:13<Kolt>hi
08:13<Kolt>now i have wicd
08:13<Kolt>and Im able to see the network
08:13<Kolt>it also sais im connected
08:13<Kolt>its just im not....
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08:15<vmassuchetto>how can i regenerate the mysql configuration files?
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08:16<seeS>you probably cannot
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08:17<seeS>or do you mean re-download them?
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08:18<Cozminsky>vmassuchetto: dpkg-reconfigure might do it
08:18<vmassuchetto>seeS, well... i just want the /etc standard files again
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08:18<vmassuchetto>CompWizrd, i tried that already `dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server`
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08:18<seeS>ok, just download the packages
08:18<themill>!confmiss
08:18<dpkg>You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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08:19<vmassuchetto>themill, thanks... i think thats what im looking for
08:19<themill>(config files are in both mysql-common mysql-server-5.1 packages)
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08:20<s_i_m>Kolt, pastbin /sbin/ifconfig <yor_wlan_iface>
08:21-!-mode/#debian [+l 474] by debhelper
08:21<s_i_m>Kolt, also "/sbin/route -n" and "cat /etc/resolv.conf"
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08:24<TCW>,versions php
08:24<judd>Sorry, no package named 'php' was found in i386.
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08:26<TCW>,versions php5
08:26<judd>Package php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-proposed-updates: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny10; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny10; squeeze: 5.3.3-7; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze1; sid: 5.3.6-7; sid: 5.3.6-12; wheezy: 5.3.6-12
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08:32<wrek-gar>has anyone ever set up an a.p.?
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08:34<ddd123>my system seems to be unable to work well with new gcc lib. so i use early lenny version now.
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08:34<TCW>,versions mysql-server
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08:34<judd>Package mysql-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.57-1; wheezy: 5.1.57-1.3; sid: 5.1.57-3
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08:37<themill>TCW: you can talk to judd in a /msg too, if you like.
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08:38<s_i_m>ddd123, when you mix several distributions expect (at least some) problems.
08:39<wrek-gar>hostapd -d /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf gives the following message - ioctl[PRISM2_IOCTL_PRISM2_PARAM]: Function not implemented
08:39<wrek-gar>any info on what it means?
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08:40<s_i_m>wrek-gar, this probably means that the driver of your wlan card has not implemented this ioctl.
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08:42<wrek-gar>is there a way to implement it? tried looking for something under this site (http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/net/wireless/hostap/hostap_ioctl.c) but have no idea what it means
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08:42<TCW>themill, I know or at least I thought so... but as I was only interested in php and mysql, I guess that's it..
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08:43<s_i_m>wrek-gar, I do not think that will be easy to do.
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08:43<TCW>and as it seems, no php5 backport for lenny... too sad
08:43<jj>hii folks im at my wits end ive used apt-get install sun-java6-jre and it still is not working on my iceweasel i need java to be able axx my coursework
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08:43<wrek-gar>s_i_m, is there an simple way to create an access point on a desktop?
08:44<TCW>jj, ls -l /etc/alternatives|grep java
08:44<s_i_m>wrek-gar, I use hostapd for this purpose.
08:44<s_i_m>but I have a supported wireless card.
08:44<wrek-gar>12:39 wrek gar -> terminal output
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08:45<ansgar>TCW: I believe there was an extra package for the Java plugin.
08:46<TCW>jj, I'd like to see the output of the command as a paste on paste.debian.net...
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08:46<TCW>ansgar, there is... but listing of /etc/alternatives gives me a lot of onfo in one stroke...
08:46<TCW>info even
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08:46<ansgar>jj: Eh, meant you, not TCW.
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08:47<ddd123>my system has be upgraded since woody or potato and i have installed many rpm packages to use alien.
08:48<viliny>Hey, i did a apt-get install ruby - but it's the old version. How can i get the latest version of ruby installed? been a while since i used debian, do i have to use some unstable repos or?
08:49<TCW>viliny, in general, DON'T use an unstable repository
08:50<s_i_m>ddd123, well, I have a couple of systems upgraded from about the same time or earlier.
08:50<TCW>!tell viliny -about bpo
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08:51<viliny>thank you TCW
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08:52<TCW>viliny, what debian version is that? cat /etc/debian_version
08:52<ddd123>i think apt in lenny have a chache MB limit which is less than apt in these days have .
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08:53<s_i_m>ddd123, I set it to Cache-Limit 50000000; in apt.conf
08:54<viliny>TCW, squeeze
08:54<viliny>i tried installing ruby again but it tells me i have the latest version
08:54<TCW>viliny, ok :)
08:54<s_i_m>its APT::Cache-Limit if you do not use grouping with { }
08:54<TCW>viliny, is there no ruby backport for squeeze?
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08:55<jj>sorry i got dced router updates
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08:55<viliny>and i have some weird version calling itself 4.5 in synaptics
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08:55<jj>how can i get java working on ice weasel ?
08:55<TCW>jj, ls -l /etc/alternatives|grep java
08:56<TCW>jj, I'd like to see the output of the command as a paste on paste.debian.net...
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08:57<jj>TCW http://paste.debian.net/120733/
08:57<themill>dpkg: tell jj about install java
08:58<TCW>jj, as root: update-alternatives --config java
08:58<themill>he needs to install the correct package first
08:58<jj>tcw i have 3 option here
08:58<TCW>jj, paste
08:58<jj>1 auto 2 manual
08:59<TCW>jj, paste nevertheless
08:59<s_i_m>jj, you just install it and it works.
08:59<s_i_m>normally
08:59<TCW>err... and not here, on a paste service as before
08:59<jj>http://paste.debian.net/120735/
08:59<jj>i always use paste bin dp helper will boot me
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08:59<TCW>jj, change it to "2"
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09:00<TCW>s_i_m, "normally" :)
09:00<jj>http://paste.debian.net/120736/
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09:00<gomaaz>somebody got experience in yaboot bootloader?
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09:00<themill>TCW, jj: hang on... you're barking up the wrong tree here
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09:00<TCW>jj, looks ok... restart iceweasel, test again
09:01<jj>:S
09:01<TCW>thewe do?
09:01<TCW>themill, we do?
09:01<themill>he doesn't have the plugin package installed by the sounds of it.
09:01<themill>jj: please read what dpkg told you and install the appropriate plugin package.
09:02<jj>its still just stuck at loading :(
09:02<s_i_m>sure, a plugin is needed
09:03<TCW>oops... I completely forgot that...
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09:03<jj>woohooooo
09:03<jj>ty tcw and themill
09:03<jj>i needed the sun-java6-plugin
09:03<themill>yes
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09:04<jj>now i can continue my studying tyvm :)
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09:04<jj>tcw u was right though i needed the right jave applet two
09:05<TCW>jj, that depends on whyt one calls "right"
09:05<TCW>what one* even
09:05<jj>sun is right for my courseware to open
09:05<TCW>so... then just a half-fail on my side, great :D
09:05<jj>yep :D
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09:06<jj>we are all only human afterall
09:06<jj>and i only use debian repos from now on and squeeze only :P
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09:06<jj>i learnt the hard way reinstalling over and over again
09:07<TCW>jj, you were the guy yesterday that did install stuff from foreign sources?
09:07<jj>yes
09:07<jj>i reinstal os
09:07<TCW>jj, ah.... if you can't resist in the future... lfs :p
09:07<jj>lfsS?
09:07<TCW>!lfs
09:07<dpkg>somebody said lfs was large file support -- http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, or ask me about <linux from scratch>, or the Log-structured File System in NetBSD
09:07<jj>leave f***ing sh** slonr ?
09:08<TCW>damn it... that is not what I had on mind :)
09:08<TCW>jj, "linux from scratch"
09:08<jj>alone even*
09:08<ddd123>sudo apt-config dump | grep Limit -> APT::Cache-Limit "40000000";
09:08<jj>ryt im off for a bit foks ill bb to chat l8rz
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09:09<TCW>was that leet-speak?
09:09<TCW>Hmm... I guess not
09:09<themill>!wayttd ddd123
09:09<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, ddd123?
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09:09<ddd123>apt-get install xxxx -> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.jp.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Package ...
09:10<TCW>ddd123, did you try deleting the lists cache once?
09:10<ddd123>and -> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
09:10<s_i_m>ddd123, play with that value of the cache.
09:11<themill>!show sources.list ddd123
09:11<dpkg>ddd123: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
09:11<s_i_m>themill, good morning. you may find it in the logs.
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09:12<themill>s_i_m: indeed... I knew it had been asked for but couldn't find it.
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09:13<themill>ddd123: get rid of all that crap in your sources.list. It only needs to have 2 or 3 lines.
09:13<themill>(although at this stage, your machine may be so screwed up that it's easier to reinstall)
09:14<TCW>or trying fixing it nevertheless, and learn a lot in the process :)
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09:15<themill>ddd123: what release of debian do you think you're actually running at the moment?
09:16<ddd123>i set limit to 50000000 in conf now.
09:16<s_i_m>TCW, well, he said he had been upgrading that system since woody. so, I presume he does not need to learn much, except not mixing all distros all together.
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09:17<themill>ddd123: stop. Let's fix your system properly.
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09:17<TCW>s_i_m, and that was the thing I had in mind he would learn to never mix again in the future, in a very painful manner :)
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09:19<ddd123>i dont use /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory and only my sources.list is the /etc/apt/sources.list . here http://pastebin.com/wmmU9jwB
09:19<themill>ddd123: what release of debian do you think you're actually running at the moment?
09:21<ddd123>it is lenny debian.
09:21<s_i_m>themill, he might have some pinning in apt_preferences. ddd123, do you?
09:21<themill>ddd123: and what version of debian do you want to run?
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09:22<ddd123>i would like to run early version of lenny.
09:23<s_i_m>ddd123, do you have anything in /etc/apt/preferences?
09:23<themill>ddd123: can you explain why so we can understand how to help you better?
09:24<TCW>wow... I did read ddd123s sources.list just a minute ago... (this IRC client needs a search function, badly!) omfg... that's a really nice one...
09:24<ddd123>later version of lenny is not work well with my system.
09:24<TCW>ddd123, in what regard?
09:24<simonlnu>that thing is a horror
09:24<themill>(and why you'd then add squeeze, wheezy, sid and experimental into your sources.list if you want an early version of lenny0
09:24<themill>ddd123: in what way?
09:24<s_i_m>themill, he said in the past he installed rpms with alien, so...
09:25<simonlnu>O_O^2
09:25<themill>s_i_m: yeah, reinstalling this will be by far the easiest...
09:25<valdyn>s_i_m: why would you want to run lenny?
09:25<s_i_m>me?
09:25<valdyn>err
09:26<s_i_m>actually, I have a lenny machine.
09:26<valdyn>ddd123: why lenny?
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09:26<s_i_m>valdyn, it runs okay, and I do not touch it.
09:26<TCW>ddd123, seeing your current sources.list makes the assumption your issues come from exactly there and not a somewhat bugg "later lenny" release.
09:26<valdyn>s_i_m: yea, but youre not ddd123
09:26<TCW>+clear
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09:27<s_i_m>valdyn, LOL
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09:29<ddd123>my /etc/apt/preferences is here . http://pastebin.com/euKcKs7G
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09:29<simonlnu>O_O
09:30<themill>oh my
09:30<s_i_m>yep, ubuntu was there
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09:30<themill>ddd123: my advice is to backup your data (/msg dpkg things to backup), download a squeeze iso and install that. Never go near that repogen website again and don't mix releases.
09:31<simonlnu>worst set of apt config files i've seen ever, i think
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09:32<themill>simonlnu: yep. If I could encompass that monstrosity in a "flw", I would.
09:32<simonlnu>permanent pastebin entry
09:32<simonlnu>entries*
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09:34<dudz_>how do i remove something using insserv ? it seams like everythigns joined together
09:34<dudz_>i want to change the run level of something ebcause it wont start, so i asume there is something that needs to be run before it
09:35<dudz_>i'm trying to use cryttab to mount a swap though it keeps hanging during boot time
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09:35<dudz_>all my attempts at changing the run level have failed, i tried renaming the symlinks in the rc* folders that didn't change anything
09:36<s_i_m>dudz_, that can be done with /etc/insserv/overrides
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09:37<s_i_m>dudz_, read man insserv
09:37<dudz_>ok
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09:38<dudz_>its crazy though i have a system that hasn't got this problem that uses the same 6.0.1a-amd64
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09:40<s_i_m>mm, you may activate bootchart on both systems and compare
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09:41<kenny>zzzzzzzzzzz
09:41<s_i_m>?
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09:44<ddd123>yes i know "later lenny" release is not .
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09:45<s_i_m>ddd123, is not what?
09:46<s_i_m>ah, you mean it is not suitable.
09:46<s_i_m>probably
09:47<ddd123>my config makes my system unstable .
09:48<s_i_m>oh, yes. in all possible meanings.
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10:01<ddd123>i read FAQ that i need to ask where the non-free CD is somewhere such as mailinglist to need non-free CD.
10:02<ddd123>is there debian non-free CD in internet ?
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10:06<gnugr>ddd123: what do you mean with "non-free" on debian?
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10:08<susa>gnugr, he means the proprietary aspects. codecs, drivers, etc. they are more easily available in ubuntu than debian.
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10:09<MrFrood>isn't there a squeeze install cd/ddvdd with the non-free firmware stuff on it?
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10:09<ddd123>http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/index.en.html#nonfree -> "Where is the CD image with non-free?"
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10:10<gnugr>ddd123: well, on debian there are many solutions about codecs, drivers and whatever
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10:10<gnugr>ddd123: please be specific
10:10<gnugr>!non-free
10:10<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system run "aptitude search '~i~scontrib'". For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
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10:11<susa>gnugr, ddd123 are you looking for a specific driver or codec or do you want a repository that contains them? I know on ubuntu they have non-free repositories that can be enabled and a collection downloaded through the software center.
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10:13*gnugr nods MrFrood
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10:13<susa>ddd123, if you are looking for a repository like ubuntu has, there is no debian official one. you would need to get the individual proprietary items on your own. usually searching for the device in question, for example your wireless card, will usually get you what you need
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10:14<Majes-TP>morning, anyone ever done a live switch from Kubunto to Debian 6 ?
10:15<ddd123>it is what the packages my lenny CD tell me require in many times when i install contrib packages
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10:15<susa>ddd123, can you provide a specific example?
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10:16<gnugr>!tell dd123 -about releases
10:16<gnugr>ops
10:16<gnugr>sorry
10:17<gnugr>!tell ddd123 -about releases
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10:19<sky903>news
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10:21<gnugr>ddd123: part of lenny packages are on current release (squeeze) only with backports, if you want more you must use pinning
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10:23<themill>ddd123: there are many other things that you need to fix before you start trying to find more packages from more repositories or CDs.
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10:35<ddd123>sorry , i come back.
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10:40<ddd123>can anyone tell me where i can find some of lenny unofficial non-free CDs?
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10:41<dba>there are none; lenny has the firmware included.
10:41<themill>ddd123: there are many other things that you need to fix before you start trying to find more packages from more repositories or CDs.
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10:49<ddd123>i see what you tell me but my system seems to go well to use other than difficulty in repository.
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10:50<safinaskar>i have squeeze on my laptop. hibernate don't work. i tried package uswsusp, but system cannot wake up. also i tried package hibernate, but hibernate said to me: "Tuxonice signature not found", then he fail asleep, but do not wake up, too. help!
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10:54<themill>ddd123: we can't help you if you don't want help. You really really need to clean up your sources.list and until you do, you won't be able to install or remove any software. Moreover, I'd expect that apt will have great difficulties in managing your machine with all that crap in your sources.list.
10:54<themill>!noresume
10:54<dpkg>methinks noresume is the boot parameter that you can add to your kernel boot command line so that the kernel doesn't try to resume back into your running session after <suspend>. Be warned that you will lose any unsaved work and your filesystems will be left in an inconsistent state as you effectively crash the kernel.
10:54<themill>safinaskar: ^^ that's probably what you need to be able to get your machine to boot again. uswsusp isn't in squeeze, btw...
10:55<safinaskar>themill: yes, uswsusp isn't in squeeze. i installed it from wheezy
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10:56<safinaskar>themill: when i say "cannot wake up", i mean "cannot resume, but instead boot again"
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10:56<themill>safinaskar: oh. Are you using the stock debian kernel?
10:58<safinaskar>themill: what is stock? (i don't speak english well) i use kernel from repository
10:58<themill>safinaskar: you're doing fine -- "stock kernel" == "kernel debian provides" as opposed to a kernel you have compiled yourself.
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10:59<themill>safinaskar: what does "uname -r" say? and "dpkg --print-architecture"
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11:00<safinaskar>themill: 2.6.32-5
11:00<sney>may also be worth mentioning that you need a swap partition to hibernate, and that a swap file is not sufficient
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11:01<safinaskar>themill: i386
11:01<themill>safinaskar: that's not the full output of uname -r and it was the very last bit I wanted to see....
11:01<safinaskar>sney: i have swap
11:03<safinaskar>themill: i in another OS (ubuntu) now. so i cannot show you full output of uname -a
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11:04<safinaskar>themill: debian arch: i386, cpu arch: i686, cpu: pentium dual core, kernel: linux 2.6.32-5. do you want more information?
11:05<ddd123>thanks. i understand it. my system has many softwares which dont have the origin of the debian packages and i dont remenber where is that origin. so i dont wish to install all clean.
11:06<safinaskar>themill: i'll be back
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11:14<ddd123>if i would like to get a non-free CD iso image, should i use jigdo?
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11:16<s_i_m>ddd123, right, you can use it. but you will have to create a custom .jigdo file.
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11:21<safinaskar>i was here 1 minute before
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11:22<safinaskar>i spook about hibernate
11:22<safinaskar>does somebody remember me?
11:22<jhutchins_lt>safinaskar: Yes, we remember. Does hibernate work in Ubuntu?
11:22<safinaskar>jhutchins_lt: yes :(
11:22<safinaskar>jhutchins_lt: but ubuntu is bullsh.
11:22<ddd123>cat jigdo make truely correct iso images ?
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11:23<safinaskar>jhutchins_lt: now i am in debian. output of uname -a: Linux comp 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Wed May 18 07:08:50 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
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11:24<safinaskar>themill: Linux comp 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Wed May 18 07:08:50 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
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11:25<andy38>oh yeah
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11:26<s_i_m>ddd123, should be able to. you may find the templates here (no warranty) http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian-multimedia/jigdo/lenny/non-free/i386/jigdo-cd/
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11:26<safinaskar>s_i_m: russian?
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11:26<s_i_m>ddd123, actually, that link is wrong
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11:27<andy38>good one
11:27<s_i_m>ddd123, it is debian-multimedia
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11:28<andy38>early lunch?
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11:28<himml>when I used amarok several years ago I had no problems using my portable sansa clip player with it. it was just a matter of clicking to settings / media devices / etc. now, with the version shipped with squeeze there's no choice for anything? how do I go about if I want to connect the device to amarok?
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11:29<safinaskar>why i cannot hibernate????????????
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11:30<s_i_m>because you are from a species that do not hibernate?
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11:32<ddd123>thanks for kindness of you all. i will try jig doing.
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11:34<safinaskar>s_i_m: i have laptop with debian squeeze. i tried uswsusp and i tried hibernate, but both don't work. my computer cannot resume its state. instead it boots again. i have swap. why i cannot hibernate?
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11:35<jhutchins_lt>safinaskar: What works in ubuntu?
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11:35<safinaskar>jhutchins_lt: everything. hibernate, suspend to ram, power button etc
11:36<safinaskar>jhutchins_lt: but i cannot change screen ligthness in ubuntu
11:36<jhutchins_lt>safinaskar: They're both linux, so it's just a matter of figuring out what the differences are. Pay close attention to the messages during start-up. Does the kernel find the resume file?
11:36<s_i_m>safinaskar, what does this say (without quotes): "pm-is-supported --hibernate && echo yes"
11:36<jhutchins_lt>safinaskar: Which kernel is ubuntu using? What boot options? Are different modules loaded? Does it use the same utilities to perform suspend/resume?
11:37<safinaskar>jhutchins_lt: s_i_m: but i can change ligthness, if i type "setpci -s 00:02.0 F4.B=08"
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11:38<jhutchins_lt>safinaskar: Focus on your suspend/resume for now.
11:38<safinaskar>jhutchins_lt: i don't use resume file. i use swap
11:38<safinaskar>s_i_m: "yes"
11:38<s_i_m>okay
11:38<s_i_m>do pm-hibernate as root
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11:39<safinaskar>jhutchins_lt: ubuntu use linux-image-2.6.38-8-generic or linux-image-3.0-1-generic. both work
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11:42<jhutchins_lt>safinaskar: The .38 kernel is available in backports.
11:42<safinaskar>i tried pm-hibernate
11:42<safinaskar>but it doesn't work, too
11:42<ddd123>i will be off this line. thx all today. bye!
11:43<s_i_m_>safinaskar, check syslog, dmesg
11:43<s_i_m_>ddd123, oyasumi
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11:45<safinaskar>s_i_m_: what i shold search?
11:45<s_i_m_>anything regarding PM and hibernate
11:46<safinaskar>jhutchins_lt: i found linux-image-2.6.38-bpo in backports. what is bpo?
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11:46<sney>short for backports.org
11:46<sney>just an easy hint to remember where the kernel came from
11:46<sney>you can install it safely without risk, since it won't remove your current kernel, just add another boot option
11:47<sney>so I would try it
11:47<ddd123>s_i_m: oyasumi ~~~ ^o^*)/
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11:50<safinaskar>sney: thank you
11:50<safinaskar>jhutchins_lt: sney: i am installing
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11:52<safinaskar>jhutchins_lt: s_i_m: i inderstand what to do. i will install 2 very clean and minimal systems: debian and ubuntu. then i will mix they. i will upgrade debian to ubuntu and ubuntu to debian. etc. and i will find package, which makes difference
11:53<sney>safinaskar: that is a bad idea
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11:53<sney>safinaskar: don't mix distros.
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11:53<jhutchins_lt>safinaskar: Well, that should keep you busy for a while at least. I don't know what you'll accomplish.
11:53<safinaskar>sney: it is only one way to understand
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11:53<sney>the only thing you will understand is "this is how to make 2 broken systems"
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11:54<safinaskar>jhutchins_lt: of course it takes a lot of time
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11:54<jhutchin>safinaskar: I think watching the boot messages as debian fails to grab the suspend file from swap would be more useful.
11:54<safinaskar>it is just to understand. then i'll install real debian system
11:54<sney>just try the backport kernel first
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11:55<sney>it may just be that your hardware was too new for 2.6.32
11:55<safinaskar>sney: i tried sid at past
11:55<jhutchin>safinaskar: Sid changes.
11:55<sney>sid is usually broken, so "it didn't work in sid!" means nothing
11:55<safinaskar>sney: jhutchin: "at past" means yesterday :)))))))
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11:56<safinaskar>sney: i tried in wheezy, too
11:56<sney>that changes nothing about what I said
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11:56<sney>look, it's your funeral. you're just going to waste a lot of time when you could figure this out faster a different way.
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11:57<s_i_m>safinaskar, for starters you should check the logs. but it seems you know better how to entertain yourself ;)
11:57<safinaskar>sney: jhutchins_lt: ok, you are right. i will try kernel first
11:57<Zathras>hi. Is indeed proxy-ing or rewriting impossible in Apache vhosts with the Apache as shipped in Squeeze due to a bug? Or is there a workaround for rewriten URLs to default to the compiled in /etc/apache2/htdocs ?
11:58<sney>rewritten urls like with mod_rewrite? I have apache running on a squeeze system where it works fine
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11:59<K0JIbKA>http://pastebin.com/KDG52NV2
11:59<sney>!ru
11:59<dpkg>Russian speakers, please talk (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
11:59<K0JIbKA>by the way. can unusual hardware brake the kernel?
11:59<K0JIbKA>Especially USB
11:59<sney>not exactly break it, but it can have problems certainly
12:00<K0JIbKA>laptop stalls at usb modem initialization
12:00<K0JIbKA>simple 3G
12:01<K0JIbKA>2.6.32
12:01<sney>any port?
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12:01<Zathras>sney, but are you using mod_rewrite within a vhost?
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12:01<K0JIbKA>no messages at all just crush
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12:02<K0JIbKA>kernel panick
12:02<safinaskar>sney: jhutchins: it doesn't help
12:02<Zathras>sney, I am relating to: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=569026
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12:03<safinaskar>K0JIbKA: привет, колька! :)
12:03<K0JIbKA>:-D
12:03<jhutchins_lt>safinaskar: Without knowing what messages about resuming you're getting during boot there's not much we can do to help you.
12:03<jhutchins_lt>!doesn't work
12:03<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
12:04<safinaskar>jhutchins_lt: system boots up just if it is normal boot
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12:06<jhutchins_lt>safinaskar: On a normal boot the system will attempt to find a suspend image and fail. The messages from when it tries to do that are relevant to your problem. That's why all that text scrolls by at boot, it's trying to tell you what's going on.
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12:07<safinaskar>jhutchins_lt: i checked logs, but i don't find something about suspend image while booting
12:07<safinaskar>i will try my way
12:07<miggs>hello. is it recommended to use laptop-mode?
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12:10<s_i_m>miggs, depends. on this laptop I use it, because I do have any DE, etc.
12:11<s_i_m>(I guess u were asking about laptop-mode-tools in particular)
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12:12<miggs>s_i_m: yes, i was asking about laptop-mode-tools. you mean you don't have a DE?
12:12<s_i_m>yep
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12:13<miggs>but it's safe for the hardware?
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12:15<s_i_m>mm. I think so. You may fine tune it also, I do not use all the features, only that I need.
12:15<jhutchins_lt>miggs: As opposed to what, shoots flames out of the USB ports?
12:16<miggs>jhutchins_lt: i don't understand your question
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12:27<Zathras>sney, are you using vhost(s) with mod_rewrite?
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12:31<bst>K0JIbKA: i'm using 3G now and works fine (2.6.32-5-686 , toshiba laptop)
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12:52<CrankyBlankie>I am looking to use unrar and list folders inside the rar. I can list the files but not the folders.
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13:04<valdyn>CrankyBlankie: use unrar from the non-free repository
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13:30<CrankyBlankie>valdyn: i was looking for the command or switch to list the directories in the rar. I can list the fiels just fine.
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14:06<cybersphinx_>Is there a good way to compile custom kernel packages that include linux-tools (perf)? Both "make deb-pkg" and kernel-package don't seem to include support for perf.
14:06<jhutchins_lt>perf?
14:06<jhutchins_lt>You want a perforated kernel?
14:07<cybersphinx_>A profiler included in current kernels.
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14:21<nyov>cybersphinx_: perf seems to work with default debian kernels? - just installed and tried a bit
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14:23<cybersphinx_>Yeah, with the default kernels. But if I compile a custom one, it'll have a different uname -r and so /usr/bin/perf can't find the correct one.
14:24<cybersphinx_>Or I need to use e.g. perf_2.6.39 and hope it'll work with my new kernel as well.
14:25<nyov>cybersphinx_: you have a kernel minor that's higher that supported in the linux-tools package then?
14:25<nyov>*than the
14:25<nyov>bah
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14:27<cybersphinx_>At the moment, I guess I'd compile a 2.6.39 kernel, so perf_2.6.39 should work. But in general, it would be nice to automatically have a packaged perf as well, e.g. if there is no linux-tools package for my kernel version yet.
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14:28<nyov>cybersphinx_: use uupdate to build your own updated linux-tools package then?
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14:33<dyek>Hi! There should be a way to install a Linux distribution to a new and empty LVM volume (or partition) by issuing a command on the existing Linux shell and the installer will make the LVM volume (or partition) minimally bootable. Then, Grub2 is set to boot into the new LVM volume and network installation continues from there until a full system is set up. If this a supported installation approach, could someone point me to some information for m
14:33<dyek>e to get started with it?
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14:34<petemc>dyek: the install guides lists methods of installing from other operating systems
14:34<becca_trjrnt>slt
14:34<weasel>debootstrap.
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14:35<dyek>weasel: Yes, debootstrap sounds like it. I think I used it before, but I need to dig up my note to recall how successfully my previous attempt was. Thank you.
14:36<nyov>what weasel said
14:36<nyov>dyek: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html
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14:43<sml>hi peeps
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14:44<dyek>nyov: Thanks for the link. I'll read up. debootstrap appears to be installing into a chroot. I did use debootstrap successfully before (at least booted to a minimal system, IIRC). Xen PV Guest installation (xm create) also can use debootstrap and when it worked, it was very convenient. I hope debootstrap will work for me smoothly this time with native installation. Thanks for all the tips.
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14:45<sml>is this btrfs the way forward?
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14:51<devil>sml: when its in a state where it does not eat data, yes
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14:53<sml>devil: how do I find out if my debian kernel supports it?
14:53<cybersphinx_>nyov: I guess that's my last resort, if there's no easier way (since the linux-tools source is the whole kernel).
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14:54<cybersphinx_>sml: grep BTRFS /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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14:55<sml>cybersphinx_: = M
14:55<sml>so I guess that's insmod ?
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14:55<cybersphinx_>I assume it'll do that automatically if you mount a partition using it.
14:56<sml>cool stuff. might have to have a play then. if i can find some spare disk space!
14:56<sml>is there anything for Linux that enables some kind of storm control like you have in Cisco IOS?
14:56<AriMartti>hey, how about that .2
14:56<AriMartti>whoops
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14:56<cybersphinx_>Though from what I've read, even in recent kernels the state of btrfs is not really ready for every day use.
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14:57<sml>cybersphinx_: is it still experimental in Debian? Heard you could use it in the installer though I didn't see it when I installed squeeze
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14:58<AriMartti>taht "Ask to Debian project leader at 19 o'cloch at #debian on irc.debian.org (here, i suppose)?
14:58<AriMartti>at 19:00 UTC
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14:58<robinetd>Pretty sure that was yesterday.
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14:58<AriMartti>damn
14:58<cybersphinx_>sml: As far as I know there are still issues when free space gets low/filled, and there's no working fsck yet.
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14:59<cybersphinx_>Possilby with showing how much space is free.
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14:59<vrkalak>the ask DPL meeting was yesterday ... i attended
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15:01<vrkalak>AriMartti: you can find a Log of yesterdays meeting at > http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot
15:01<AriMartti>ty
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15:05<AriMartti>http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-meeting/2011/debian-meeting.2011-06-22-19.01.log.html
15:06<vrkalak>yeah, there
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15:24<sml>in Debian how to I execute a script that's on a cdrom?
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15:25<sml>everytime I try it says Permission Denied. If I try bash completion the shell does't 'see' the script. i.e. it doesn't complete. Permissions are 555
15:25<cthuluh>sml: mount /cdrom && /cdrom/your/script
15:25<babilen>sml: There if no fundamental difference between a script on a CD and somewhere else. Just give the complete path if it is executable or run (for bash) : "bash /path/to/script"
15:26<sml>Even if I try the full path it doesn't work
15:26<sml>/media/cdrom/install: 497: /media/cdrom/installer/installer.x86_64: Permission denied
15:27<cthuluh>wait, is that the main script that is supposed to run when you do an installation?
15:27<sml>think so
15:28<cthuluh>if the answer is yes, you're not supposed to run is from a live system
15:28<whatmeurgent>Isn't there a feature in polkit that restricts executing programs and scripts from removable media?
15:28<sml>just want to update my parallel tools for the Debian VM I have
15:28<cthuluh>to run it*
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15:28<sml>it said my tools are outdated and to reinstall manually. but I can't execute the script from a root bash shell no matter how hard I try
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15:48<sml>also I can't seem to connect from my home IP
15:48<sml>says I'm banned even though I've never been banned?
15:48<sml>what's all that about?
15:49<themill>sml: can you /msg me some details, please?
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15:51<sml>themill: did you see the message? not sure i did it correctly. am using irssi and am a bit new to it (i..e not read the man page yet!)
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15:54<TCW>sml, file /media/cdrom/installer/installer.x86_64
15:55<sml>Ah I think I solved it.
15:55<sml>I probably have the cdrom mounted with noexec right?!
15:55<TCW>sml, could be
15:55*sml is a donut!
15:55<TCW>mount could tell you that, I guess
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15:55<TCW>sml, oh nice... what flavour? :D
15:56<sml>yeah, LOL! It's mounted with noexec!!! grrrr! :)
15:57<TCW>sml, anyway... just out of pure curiosity... what does file /media/cdrom/installer/installer.x86_64 say?
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15:59<sml>TCW: installer.x86_64: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV),
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16:00<TCW>sml, ah... ok
16:02<sml>TCW: No exotic format, just me being an idiot. though interestingly i did manage to execute the installer script but it couldn't then execute a sub-script. got permission denied. so it IS possible to exetute a script with noexec if you're root and you fire off a subshell?
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16:03<s_i_m>sml you may always run a script giving it as a parameter to an interpreter
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16:05<TCW>s_i_m, but what interpreter do you prepend to an elf script? :)
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16:06<s_i_m>TCW, ld-linux.so
16:07<TCW>oops
16:07<cybersphinx_>sml: You could try "mount -oremount,exec /media/cdrom", else I don't think there's a way to run those binaries.
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16:11<sml>cybersphinx_: I did umount first. forgot about the remount option! doh
16:12<sml>got a quick exim question actually. i have it set to use Maildir but it continues to use mbox in the spool instead. unless i store it in Maildir via procmail. any idea why?
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16:14<sml>I mean, in short it doesn't honour the Maildir setting that I set via dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
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20:37<travis__>got some trouble with apt
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20:38<travis__>E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
20:38<travis__>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_wheezy_contrib_i18n_Translation-en
20:38<travis__>E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
20:38<travis__>E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
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20:39<travis__>http://paste.debian.net/120792/
20:40<abrotman>paste your sources.list
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20:42<travis__>ok
20:42<karlinhos987>aea
20:42<vittorio>ciao
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20:42<travis__>here is the apt-get update
20:42<travis__>http://paste.debian.net/120793/
20:42<travis__>http://paste.debian.net/120794/
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20:45<vittorio>www.56891.splinder.com
20:45<travis__>i noticed when i did an update and my sound card wasnt not detected
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20:46<gsimmons>travis__: (re sources.list) There seems to be some missing (e.g. "dropbox.com").
20:46<gsimmons>dpkg: show sources.list travis__
20:46<dpkg>travis__: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
20:46<travis__>o yea thats on the last line i missed it
20:46<travis__>1 sec ill repaste
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20:48<travis__>dpkg: show sources.list No command 'dpkg:' found, did you mean:
20:48<dpkg>No command 'dpkg:' found, did you mean:: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
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20:49<abrotman>you realize maverick isn't a debian distro?
20:49<travis__>http://pastebin.com/dvKgDv8k
20:49<abrotman>perhaps try another mirror?
20:49<travis__>thats from dropbox
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20:50<travis__>i didnt make it and thats just where they keep the deb i thought
20:51<travis__>dpkg: thats a cool command
20:51<dpkg>no idea, travis__
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20:51<travis__>this is so odd
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20:52<travis__>what does this mean
20:52<travis__>zip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
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20:54<abrotman>it's corrupted or you have system issues
20:54<travis__>should i try this
20:54<travis__>http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-linux/104741-solved-package-manager-errors.html#post513070
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20:56<travis__>post #4
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21:05<AndChat|>Fun
21:06<AndChat|>There
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21:08<travis__>o jesus christ
21:08<travis__>it was smoothwall dans guardian
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21:36<mock>how do i run a program that i have just compiled using gcc?
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21:37<mock>i chmod u+x the executable and attempt to run it using ./executablename
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21:38<mock>but bash tells me "Permission denied"
21:38<mock>oh wait
21:38<mock>nevermind
21:38<mock>fstab duh
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21:51<sney>so I have a server that sits on a lan and also hosts a vpn. I want it to resolve its fake domain name to itself to any client that asks, but to the correct (lan or vpn) ip depending on which the client is connecting from. Is this something I can do simply with dnsmasq/similar or am I going to need bind?
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22:01<nyov>sney: you want to distinguish by requesting IP or incoming interface? anyhow I believe dnsmasq can do much, but it looks like it can't do this
22:02<sney>either or, yeah. I'd just distribute hosts files except a couple clients are sometimes on the lan, and sometimes on the vpn
22:02<sney>hmm, maybe 2 dnsmasq instances, one for each interface
22:04<nyov>that should work
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22:39<Obligatory>ping...
22:39<sney>pong
22:41<Quite>circle closed
22:42<Obligatory>Tnx sney, Q: while trying to figure why 'k3b' doesn't seem my old DVD any more, I notice that 'lshal' prints: http://pastebin.com/230kba7C
22:42<Obligatory>or rather prints what's at that URL...
22:42<Quite>lol
22:42<sney>what debian version, and did you upgrade anything recently?
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22:44*Quite lacks lshal's being able to print pastebin urls
22:45<Obligatory>sney, 'cat /proc/version' says "Debian 2.6.38-4", and yeah I upgrade regularly. But I don't run 'k3b' as often as I upgrade, so it's not obvious which upgrade, if any, might have done this.
22:46<sney>lsb_release -a, what's the output for codename
22:47<Obligatory>Oh, that version... 'sid'.
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22:48<sney>Obligatory: ok, step 1: #debian-next is for testing/unstable issues
22:48<sney>step 2: do you have apt-listbugs installed?
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22:48<sney>step 3:
22:48<sney>!pieces
22:48<dpkg>( The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! )
22:49<Obligatory>The 'k3b' trouble is a known bug, but it's BTS page isn't so active: 588161 607905 (those should be merged...)
22:50<Obligatory>sney, now installing apt-listbugs.
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22:54<Obligatory>sney, OK I'm now on #debian-next...
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23:18<Obligatory>sney, am I still on #debian-next?
23:20<Obligatory>Not about, apparently. Quiet night at that.
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23:21<highbombe>can someone please help me with samba and shorewall
23:21<highbombe>i just cant get it to connect
23:21<nyov>you want samba and shorewall to connect? :p
23:21<cthuluh>:)
23:22<cthuluh>highbombe: easy: deactivate the firewall, see if you can connect to samba, then add firewall protection until it doesn't work anymore
23:24<nyov>'deactivating' shorewall might make it put in deny rules, so nothing would work. ymmv
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23:26<highbombe>yes and it did work before i installed shorewall so i know it isn't my samba config
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23:26<highbombe>and oddly enough if i add
23:26<highbombe>loc 192.168.1.0/24
23:26<highbombe>to the hosts file it works just fine :S
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23:29<highbombe>in rules i have put
23:29<highbombe>#SMB(ACCEPT) $FW loc
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23:29<highbombe>&#SMB(ACCEPT) loc $FW
23:29<highbombe>and*
23:30<highbombe>and i have also tried adding all the ports which samba uses to the rules file, and i am currently using that and it also works fine
23:30<highbombe>but only when i have edited the hosts file for some reason
23:31<nyov>the hosts file?
23:31<highbombe>the shorewall hosts file
23:31<nyov>you mean 'interfaces'?
23:31<highbombe>no the hosts file
23:32<highbombe>its not supposed to be used, but its the only way i could be samba to work
23:32<highbombe>i dont know who better to ask about this problem because samba doesnt have a forum, and neither does shorewall (and it must be a shorewall problem)
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23:33<highbombe>and i dont want to remove shorewall because it saves oodles of time for all my other services
23:33<cthuluh>#sambe on irc.freenode.net may help
23:33<nyov>highbombe: what's your zone layout?
23:33<cthuluh>#samba*
23:34<highbombe>hmm i will try them later then
23:34<highbombe>my zones are:
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23:34<nyov>highbombe: multiple interfaces or somthing complicated?
23:35<highbombe>no just one interface
23:35<highbombe>behind a router
23:35<highbombe>my zones are:
23:35<highbombe>fw firewall
23:35<highbombe>loc ipv4
23:35<highbombe>net ipv4
23:35<highbombe>and thats it
23:36<nyov>why loc and net, if only one interface?
23:37<highbombe>whats odd is all the other services work fine regardless of the changes
23:37<nyov>or is the box your router?
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23:38<highbombe>the only thing the hosts file does is stop my server from seeing the dns
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23:38<highbombe>i thought i would need multiple zones
23:38<highbombe>loc is for machines connecting locally
23:39<nyov>whats the interfaces for loc and net? in the interfaces file
23:39<highbombe>so for example samba is only allowed from the private ip 192.168.yadayada
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23:39<highbombe>and services under net can connect from any ip for the specific services
23:40<nyov>ah, so you *do* want multiple zones through one interface
23:40<highbombe>yes
23:41<highbombe>and for the most part this setup works fine, i have nginx, minecraft, openssh all working merrily, but nothing can connect to samba unless i modify the hosts file
23:41<nyov>you should have a firewall on your router, if you connect it directly to your whole lan
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23:41<nyov>just fyi
23:41<highbombe>and if i modify the hosts file my server cant access dns on the router for some reason
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23:42<highbombe>i do have a firewall
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23:42<highbombe>you mean iptables? shorewall is just a more convenient way to modify iptables
23:44<highbombe>or atleast thats my impression, at this point ill believe anything just to fix this
23:44<sney>shorewall is a more convenient way to manage iptables.
23:45<highbombe>my server doesn't really *need* to connect to dns, but id rather atleast understand what is happening
23:45<Wyzard_>highbombe: You're correct, pretty much all Linux firewall packages are really iptables rule generators
23:46<nyov>I just don't see the reason for this setup there
23:47<nyov>but if you want to use multiple zones on one interface, you'll have to use that host file
23:47<nyov>*hosts
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23:47<highbombe>i just figured it was the most secure method, and most of the examples i have seen use multiple zones
23:48<nyov>it might make sense with vlan's on your switch
23:49<nyov>maybe I'm wrong, I don't exactly know your setup
23:50<highbombe>its basically just a debian server behind a router which connects to a modem
23:50<nyov>anyway, best way to debug it would be looking at the generated iptable rules
23:50<highbombe>but i suppose your right, i could use just net and not use loc
23:51<highbombe>if my router isnt forwarding samba ports i suppose no one from outside could connect anyway
23:51<highbombe>is that right?
23:51<nyov>exactly
23:52<nyov>well, you should block those netbios ports and whatnot anyway
23:54<highbombe>block them at the router or at the server?
23:54<highbombe>they need to be open at the server
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23:56<nyov>at the internet router of course
23:57<nyov>you can also "harden" your shorewall rules to not accept anything with an source IP other than from your local network
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23:57<nyov>though that shouldn't happen anyway
23:57<nyov>with NAT
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23:58<highbombe>hmm i try not to have a very strict nat though
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