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---Logopened Sat Jun 25 00:00:13 2011
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00:51<lifulinghan>hello anyone!
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01:23<Guest6157>why is it that when you first install Debian with default settings, it's different then if you run sudo apt-get install gnome afterwards, where it installs programs like transmission that do not come as default?
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01:24<george_>does anyone know why?
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01:25<george_>399 people and not one knows why?
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01:34<shane>wth is this?
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01:54<adam_>any solution for gpu computing?
01:54<adam_>i mean, some module, or demon
01:54<adam_>aw, hi! :D
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02:13<dpkg>hello, d3co
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02:13<adam_>i have to ask again, any solution for gpu computing?
02:15<d3co>hi dudes, I need config the php.ini to change this directive : session.auto_start
02:15<d3co>where is the file ?
02:15<d3co>thank in advance
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02:25<Osiris_X_>it what scenarios would it be good to use LDAP or NIS?
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02:28<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, where you want centralized user management and have lots of users; also think the possibilities of easy ldap replication in wan envirenments
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02:32<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, or, where the the work for setting up a centralized system (ldap/nis) outweights the work of maintaining flat file based setups
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02:34<Osiris_X_>thanks dutchfish - that rules it out for my simple set-up
02:34<adam_>If i mean well, no kernel-level support atm, so the application needs to support the GPU computing...
02:34<Osiris_X_>all I'm looking for is for windows 7 and debian machines to transparently mount SAMBA shares
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02:35<Osiris_X_>i.e. to authenticate automatically using existing username and password details
02:35<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, it is even possible to integrate an AD approach too, it all depends on your needs
02:35<Osiris_X_>dutchfish, can SAMBA do AD alone?
02:36<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, you can make a sambaserver member of an AD and hand auth, to it, yes
02:37<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, ldap is not that different from AD if you are willing to develop your own ldap schemes, again it all depends on your needs
02:37<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, how many users/machines roughly do you have in mind?
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02:38<Osiris_X_>dutchfish, 5 - 8 machines, 3-4 users, windows 7 / Debian mix
02:38<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, you better stick to flatfile/smbusers then, to much work to pull ldap/ad off
02:39<Osiris_X_>dutchfish, thanks that was the conclusion I was coming to, especially as only 2 of the machines are linux boxes
02:39*dutchfish nods
02:40<Osiris_X_>dutchfish, so any tips on how make windows 7 authenticate on a samba share without asking for username and password each time?
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02:40<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, thats all pretty good covered in the samba docs
02:41<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, oreilly's have also excellent books on this
02:41<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, it's not hard but you have to graso the concepts first
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02:42<Osiris_X_>ok I have set up before using the SAMBA docs, but I could not get either windows or debian to cache the credentials
02:42<Osiris_X_>although windows 7 now has a credentials vault which I will try
02:43<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, cached credentials are only part of a domain setup
02:43<Osiris_X_>(in fact it is not even cache credentials it is use the existing user logon details automatically
02:43<Osiris_X_>dutchfish, so I have to go down the "domain" route rather than a "workgroup" route?
02:43<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, i had n problems with that, even on the most simple setups
02:44<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, prolly not, i would start simple, and extend where needed, i am not gone walk you through the basics ;)
02:45<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, also see
02:46<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, have fun
02:47<Osiris_X_>cheers - as I said I've set these up several times before, what I was hoping for was an insight into solving a particular problem that has eluded resolution - no need to walk through the basics LOL
02:48<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, maybe then rephrase your q or make it more specific
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02:49<Osiris_X_>dutchfish, ok lets take the debian case for now (I'm testing a windows 7 solution) - how can I get one debian client to transparently authenticate to another debian SAMBA server, using the credentials of the logged in person
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02:50<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, a domain setup. period
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02:51<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, not only ofr users but also for machine credentials
02:51<Osiris_X_>ok great thanks
02:52<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, there are diferent ways to setup a domain, again rtfm
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02:53<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, if there is only one fileserver then a workgroup setup might be enough
02:55<Osiris_X_>dutchfish, yes 1 fileserver, and workgroup has not been enough in the past to achieve what I want - and yes I did rtfm - which is how I managed to set them up in the 1st place
02:55<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, if your goal is only to conect to a share or 2 on different smbserver's and security is not a prime issue, then smb mount in fstab can also be a solution
02:55<valdyn>dutchfish: just out of couriosity, samba as a pdc can be done without a backend like ldap?
02:56<dutchfish>valdyn, yup
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02:56<Osiris_X_>dutchfish, would the credentials need to be in plaintext in fstab for that?
02:56<dutchfish>valdyn, anyhting that can be plugged through pam would do, if the setup is correct
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02:58<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, that (bad solution) or have a different way of authentication like radius and others
02:58<Osiris_X_>dutchfish, ok
02:59<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, mind that authentication is devided in user/machine and that acl's or not in those, but on the smb fileserver level
03:00<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, for small setups that's why i prefer nfs, it's faster, easier to setup
03:01<Osiris_X_>dutchfish, sure but I have not found a way to get windows 7 machines to access NFS shares
03:01<valdyn>Osiris_X_: geez
03:01<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, mounting nfs from server A to server B, and smb sharing that (so preventing multiple logins) is a neat trick to, when performance isn't paramount
03:02<Osiris_X_>valdyn, you mean it is possible?
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03:02<valdyn>Osiris_X_: really, google
03:03<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, *cough* also see
03:03<Osiris_X_>dutchfish, yes I'm checking the ms fix that is beign distributed, because on one the windows machines I cannot edit the registry
03:04<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, hint: roaming profiles to alter reg settings on that 'other' OS ;)
03:05<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, again, it is not difficult, it is just a lot of reading because there are so many possibilities
03:06<Osiris_X_>dutchfish, interesting idea, but wouldn't you actually have to connect to the server 1st to pull the roaming profile ...
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03:07<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, sure, a domain logon is needed first, but that could be done on *any* domain
03:07<dutchfish>Osiris_X_, good luck
03:08<Osiris_X_>cheers :)
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03:10<george_>why is it that when you first install Debian with default settings, it's different then if you run sudo apt-get install gnome afterwards, where it installs programs like transmission that do not come as default?
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03:12<aidalgol>I just upgraded my (nVidia) video card and X failed to start, so I tried pulling the newer drivers from sid (on a squeeze system), but now X can not even find the nvidia driver.
03:12<dutchfish>george_, apt-get install x-window-system-core gdm gnome-core, would do the trick to emulate what the installer does
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03:12<aidalgol>Would I need to upgrade X as well to use the sid drivers?
03:13<dutchfish>george_, at least up to lenny i have tested it myself, it basically installs a core gnome system that way
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03:15<george_>dutchfish, ohh alright, so sudo apt-get install gnome is installing more than the default installer would, it's basically installing gnome-core not gnome?
03:15<jerryclunsford>Where can I find a list of Debian compatible sound cards?
03:15<dutchfish>george_, roughly spoken, yes
03:15<george_>dutchfish, interesting
03:15<george_>don't know why they do that but ok
03:16<dutchfish>george_, the package selection is done on popcon stats ask the bot about popcon
03:16<aidalgol>jerryclunsford: IME, it's easier to find a suitable piece of hardware, then do a web search for that hardware's model and "Linux".
03:17<jerryclunsford>aidalgol: Thanks
03:17<george_>!popcon | george_
03:17<aidalgol>jerryclunsford: Although I've never actually shopped for a sound card, but that was my strategy with motherboard shopping.
03:18<george_>alright guys, have a good night
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03:23<jerryclunsford>aidalgol: I know there is a list somewhere but it was out of date a little when I found this will probably be a better approach.
03:23<jerryclunsford>Night all
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03:24<aidalgol>jeremyb: There are many lists. Most of which are out of date and incomplete.
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04:47<Yossarian>hi guys, is there any way i can safely update from unstable repo?
04:47<Yossarian>there is a new version of fglrx and i would really need it
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04:49<devil>Yossarian: when did thsat enter sid?
04:49<devil>Yossarian: btw.: #debian-next is more suited for testing and unstable
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04:54<Yossarian>ok thanks devil
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05:17<clement>Hi there !
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05:18<clement>I've installed Debian Squeeze two days ago and i'm wondering if there is any steps and documentations for a real beginner under linux
05:18<clement>I'm a Windows switcher
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05:20<nyov>clement, there is lot's out there. but it's a pretty big field
05:20<smorg>@clement: you can find very usefull general information under and (for Debian in specific)
05:20<clement>nyov, yes i can imagine that !
05:21<clement>smorg, thank you, i will start by read this
05:21<smorg>you are welcome
05:21<clement>is there anything to do just after a fresh installation of debian (stable version)
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05:22<clement>you know, under windows you have to install an antivirus, firewall and all these kind of stuff
05:22<clement>but i beleive under linux we don't have to do that
05:22<nyov>clement: if you're looking for more Debian specific information or guides there's some on the Wiki:
05:22<clement>or maybe just clamav if i want to scan some files from windows (but there is no virus under linux so...)
05:23<nyov>clement: you still should take some care about that, sure there are linux rootkits and malware out there
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05:23<clement>ho ok
05:24<clement>and to take care about that rootkits, what can i do ?
05:24<clement>just avoid to download package from non official repository ?
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05:24<clement>and don't enter my root password when i don't know why
05:24<smorg>@all clement, you should install clamav and following basic security guidelines
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05:25<smorg>clement, you should install clamav and following basic security guidelines
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05:25<clement>do you think clamav will be useful ?
05:26<clement>because i don't have a dual boot with another operating system (especialy windows)
05:26<smorg>yes, it is not as good as NOD32 but it does its job
05:26<nyov>make sure you know where you're surfing ;) -- it's true you don't have to worry so much about the hordes of malicious windows software,
05:26<nyov>but some common sense is still required
05:26<clement>yes , sure
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05:27<clement>smorg, yes but nod32 works only under windows os i think
05:27<clement>or maybe there is a portage of it under linux
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05:28<smorg>no, to my knowledge it is win exclusive, but i just brought it up for as a reference
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05:29<nyov>clement: maybe here's a good start.
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05:30<clement>thank you !
05:30<smorg>you should install keepassx for save password storage and (later) start using GPG or a s/mime certificate for emails. I mean, there are lots of ways you can secure your system, especially on a linux based os
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05:31<clement>smorg, for password storage i use the key ring
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05:32<clement>with the Password and encryption gui manager
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05:32<smorg>or that
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05:33<clement>is there a command to list all the keys in my key ring ?
05:34<madadam1>Hi, I've installed debian squeeze on my laptop, but when I connect the lan cable my ethernet card doesn't work, but when I launch ifconfig I can read from the output that it is recognized by the system. Maybe I've to add my user to some specific group to use it?
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05:35<nyov>clement: seahorse, or gpg on the commandline
05:36<nyov>clement, especially make sure you're not running SSH, Telnet, or any unsecured daemons like VNC and things on it, if you don't have a firewall between you and the internet :) but that should be common sense
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05:36<clement>madadam1, have you saw in the /etc/network/interfaces if you have a line like : auto eth0
05:36<madadam1>clement, no, I'm checking
05:37<madadam1>clement, there isn't
05:37<clement>you can add it (just be sure eth0 is your ethernet card with ifconfig command)
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05:38<madadam1>clement, yes it is
05:38<madadam1>have I to restart?
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05:38<clement>yes but normaly (and unfortunatly i don't remember the commands) you can stop and restart your ethernet card configuration without restarting
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05:39<clement>but effectivly you can restart your computer too
05:40<sauvin>You can't just ifup eth0?
05:40<sauvin>Or networking restart?
05:40<clement>and for a dhcp auto configuration, you can add: iface eth0 inet dhcp in the interfaces file too
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05:42<clement>nyov, how can i check the services (like ssh, telnet and other) running on my system ?
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05:42<clement>is there a command to see the open ports and applications
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05:45<nyov>clement: I would run 'pstree' and 'top' in a terminal, but there is probably a graphical application, too
05:46<clement>yes but command lines don't scare me ;-)
05:46<FragByte>clement: there is also netstat for open ports
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05:46<clement>do i have to run these commands under root ?
05:46<nyov>for open connections, you can run netstat --inet
05:47<nyov>ah, already mentioned
05:47<sauvin>lsof -i
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05:47<lovlinux>iftop is also good tool
05:47<FragByte>lots of options :)
05:47<clement>good to know
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05:47<clement>i'm going to write all of these commands to remember them
05:48<clement>madadam1, is it working ?
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05:49<nyov>s/he didn'g get that ;)
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05:49<clement>nyov, =)
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05:51<nyov>clement, and if those command aren't there, you can just install all that with apt-get/aptitude/synaptic/...
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05:51<clement>yes, first i used apt-get but after i've seen aptitude and now i use only aptitude
05:52<clement>i've read that it was better than apt-get for some reasons
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05:52<nyov>if someone or some website asks you to download sourcecode and compile that (configure;make;make install) think twice if you really need that ;)
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05:53<clement>nyov, concerning the security ?
05:53<nyov>no, but most likely you already get it with debian
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05:54<clement>thank you for the advice
05:54<nyov>even nvidia or ati drivers and things, even if it might sound like more work sometimes
05:54<clement>i've taken the use to search on google before downloading something on debian
05:54<clement>just to see if there a package already in the official repository
05:55<lovlinux>smxi script is good for newbies
05:55<nyov>if you know what you want, you can also look here, for example:
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05:56<clement>lovlinux, what is exactly smxi ?
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05:56<devil>clement: you dont want to use smxi :)
05:57<clement>nyov, yes it's on this website that i look for a new package to install
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05:57<lovlinux>for the maintanance of system and updating and kernel upgrade its easy to use script by H2
05:59<clement>lovlinux, actually i'm on debian 6 (squeeze) and i only do an: sudo (yes i've installed it) aptitude update upgrade
05:59<clement>is it alright to maintain a good security on my computer ?
05:59<clement>tittn, hi !
05:59<lovlinux>for more security you can install tor also
06:00<clement>yes for more privacy on internet
06:00<tittn>hi im having trouble understanding something counterstrike source servers got updated last night and now i get following error message on startup on my servers
06:00<tittn>Running a benchmark to measure system clock frequency...
06:00<tittn>Finished RDTSC test. To prevent the startup delay from this benchmark, set the environment variable RDTSC_FREQUENCY to 2660.000000 on this system. This value is dependent upon the CPU clock speed and architecture and should be determined separately for each server. The use of this mechanism for timing can be disabled by setting RDTSC_FREQUENCY to 'disabled'.
06:00<tittn>but how do i do that :p
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06:01<clement>madadam1, hi again, is it working ? =)
06:01<FragByte>tittn: prefix your command to start the server with RDTSC_FREQUENCY=2660.000000
06:01<nyov>tittn: you need to set this in the script that runs your cs source server, if you have one, or in your .bashrc file
06:02<nyov>tittn: or what FragByte said, but then do that every time
06:02<tittn>just put that in startupline ?
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06:02<FragByte>tittn: you do start srcds with a script right ?
06:02<tittn>its tru a panel where i can edit the startupline
06:03<tittn>its like cd orangebox; taskset -c 1 ./srcds_run ....
06:03<nyov>ok that could work
06:04<FragByte>tittn: than add that variable assignment in front of that line
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06:04<clement>do you know if i can register my username on this server (because i think that i will come again a couple of times now =))
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06:05<FragByte>clement: /msg NICKSERV help
06:05<clement>FragByte, thank you !
06:06<tittn>ok will try with ; ?
06:06<nodisc>FragByte: thanks
06:06<nyov>tittn: you might have to write it like this: "cd orangebox;export RDTSC_FREQUENCY=2660.000000; taskset -c 1 ./srcds_run
06:06<tittn>alright thx ;D
06:07<FragByte>tittn: oh yeah, totally missed that export, sry
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06:08<nodisc>Hi all, I still can't resume from suspend on my netbook. No LCD backlight, I can hear the disk and fan spin up, but it's not responding at all. I gathered some info here: I'd like some help here.. thanks
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06:09<tittn>thx it works now :D
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06:09<tittn>what good does that do to the server then ?
06:09<tittn>its just the clock speed of cpu ?
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06:09<nyov>nothing, it skips your benchmark running every time
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06:10<FragByte>tittn: basically, yes ... its the result of the previous benchmark and reflects the frequency of your cpus TSC
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06:11<nyov>maybe you can have some fun if you change the number o.O
06:12<tittn>wil not try that :p
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06:13<nyov>that's why I like nexuiz, I can hack all the server code :P
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06:21<clement>to do some cleanup in my packages (to delete old and not useful files), does sudo aptitude clean autoclean purge is enough ?
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06:22*devil wonders why everyone seems to use sudo these days
06:23<valdyn>clement: its not very complicated to remove the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives/
06:23<valdyn>clement: autoclean just does *not* delete certain files, while clean removes all
06:23<valdyn>clement: rtfm
06:23<FragByte>clement: aptitude is kind of a weird brainiac sometimes, i would not do that with aptitude
06:24<clement>devil, for me, i've installed sudo because the gui of truecrypt requested it
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06:24<valdyn>clement: and purge makes no sense like you showed
06:24<clement>valdyn, purge is to use with a specific package name ?
06:25<devil>clement: i never seen truecrypt, but i agree sudo makes sense for scripted and automatic stuff. other than that i use plain root
06:25<valdyn>clement: the docs can explain this alot more concise than me
06:25<clement>FragByte, with which command you do that ?
06:25<daemonkeeper>devil: I guess you know the answer :)
06:25<devil>clement: apt-get clean will clean /archives
06:25<FragByte>clement: apt-get
06:25<babilen>FragByte: Why is that? Has that bug been filed?
06:26<gruetzkopf>oh joy, just updated a p3 based system with 64MiB ram to squeeze
06:26<devil>daemonkeeper: yeah, its a bad habbit imho
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06:26<valdyn>FragByte: i dont know why you would say something like the above about aptitude - it works fine for that usage
06:26<babilen>valdyn: Indeed
06:26<FragByte>babilen: you mean that 'weird brainiac' thing i mentioned ?
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06:27<valdyn>FragByte: aptitudes "weird" dependency resolution is not involved
06:27<clement>to be honest i don't understand for now the difference between apt-get and aptitude
06:27<FragByte>ok maybe that was a bit hard, i also use it by myself but for beginners its just hard i think
06:27<babilen>FragByte: Yes, what else? If aptitude does not work correctly please file a bug. I am also not sure what you exactly mean by "weird brainiac thing" so it would be great if you could elaborate on that.
06:27<valdyn>clement: the difference is in the dependency resolution algorithm
06:27<daemonkeeper>devil: Agreed
06:27<valdyn>clement: in case you dont know, dependencies in debian are not deterministic
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06:28<babilen>FragByte: What aspects of aptitude do you perceive as being too hard for a beginner?
06:28<babilen>daemonkeeper: yay, raphael for the rescue :)
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06:28<FragByte>I meant that dependency thing, some of my friends just started using debian and thought "hey its also interactive" and suddenly gnome got uninstalled because they didnt want cheese and something like that
06:28<clement>thank you guys, i'm going to read that
06:28<FragByte>didnt mean to bash aptitude ;-)
06:28<valdyn>clement: the only real caveat is that you should only use one of both tools till you know more about both
06:29<devil>babilen: i agree with FragByte, when it comes to aptitude giving noobs some choices and choice 1 seems not feasable
06:29<bony>I am behind a proxy and trying to access irc using irssi. I have controls of the proxy and opened the port 6667. right now i chatting through xchat.
06:29<devil>babilen: mostly happens withbigger upgrades, like in sid
06:29<FragByte>so i recommend apt-get until they catch up with how things are worked out with aptitude
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06:29<bony>how to set proxy setting's in irssi
06:29<devil>FragByte: ACK
06:29<bony>is eclipse broken in unstable?
06:29<valdyn>bony: read the documentation or google
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06:30<bony>i get a dependency error
06:30<bony>valdyn, :-)
06:30<bony>valdyn, ok
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06:31<gruetzkopf>there something like inputattach in lenny?
06:31<valdyn>FragByte: maybe you should not recommend stuff that is contrary to what debian recommends without mentioning that explicitely, in order to not confuse newbies to much
06:31<clement>daemonkeeper, woah very good link, thinks !
06:31<devil>valdyn: apt is not recommended? thats news to me :)
06:32<valdyn>devil: last I checked, aptitude was recommended, I don't actually know what it is now
06:32<FragByte>valdyn: youre right sry for that, just answered intuitively ;-) did _not_ mean to bash aptitude
06:32<devil>valdyn: i been using apt for a decade now :)
06:33<valdyn>devil: yea, and dselect before that...
06:33<devil>valdyn: and from experience i know that in some situations apt will be better and in other situations aptitude
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06:34<valdyn>devil: yes, sure
06:34<valdyn>bony: my eclipse works
06:34<devil>and i really have no idea what is recommended these days
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06:35<bony>valdyn, I get a dependency error saying eclipse depends on eclipse-jdt and eclipse-pde
06:35<bony>valdyn, I updated my system yesterday night
06:35<valdyn>bony: ah youre right
06:35<valdyn>bony: its broken
06:35<valdyn>bony: mine is from experimental
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06:36<valdyn>bony: I prefer using upstream directly though, it makes more sense in case of eclipse
06:36<bony>valdyn, well i tried to install experimental but couldn't get it
06:36<bony>valdyn, oh i see
06:36<linuxthefish>will 1x 1000 MHz be good enough for a webserver?
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06:36<bony>valdyn, let me try experimental again and see if i can get it now
06:36<valdyn>linuxthefish: didnt you ask such questions before?
06:36<valdyn>linuxthefish: theyre nonsense
06:36<linuxthefish>nope, that was different
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06:37<bony>valdyn, you are right experimental is working
06:37<valdyn>linuxthefish: how many mhz do i need to play games?
06:37<linuxthefish>idk, it depends on the game
06:37<bony>valdyn, now i remember you. I we had a talk some 3 years back in the same channel. I don't remember the topic on which we discussed but i remember your nick
06:37<valdyn>linuxthefish: great, now s/game/website/
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06:38<valdyn>bony: possible
06:39<clement>i've just read the link of daemonkeeper and i'm wondering: what is the difference between aptitude upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade ?
06:39<SynrG>mhz is a meaningless measure of performance. also 'a webserver' can be something that serves up simple web pages to a handful of people, or something that serves an elaborate database-backed web app to millions
06:39<gruetzkopf>i got some graphtec kd 4300 and kd 4320 digitizer tablets. does someone know how to get them working in xorg?
06:39<clement>what command have i to launch to install all the security and other updates of debian squeeze
06:39<valdyn>clement: things like this are best looked up in the manpage
06:39<gruetzkopf>they can emulate wintab, adi and Summagraphics MM
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06:40<gruetzkopf>oh, and serial mice
06:40<SynrG>linuxthefish: describe the problem more accurately, both in terms of the hardware you intend to use and the purpose you intend to put it to
06:40<valdyn>clement: thats upgrade, full-upgrade works, but is not required
06:40<clement>valdyn, sorry, i'm going to have a look in man
06:40<daemonkeeper>clement: "full-upgrade" Also removes packages if necessary
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06:41<linuxthefish>nvm, i'l just experiment!
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06:41<clement>daemonkeeper, but if i do only an upgrade, how can i know that some packages can be removed ?
06:42<clement>if it's only noticed when you launch full-upgrade
06:42<valdyn>clement: you get a message about packages no longer being needed
06:42<daemonkeeper>clement: Sometimes packages conflict with other (older) ones, full-upgrade accepts that and goes ahead.
06:43<clement>ok so if i understand well, just do an aptitude update & upgrade, and if a full-upgrade is needed i can run it after
06:43<valdyn>clement: yes
06:43<clement>good to know
06:43<clement>thank you !!
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06:44<knoppix_>HI TO THE ALL
06:44<valdyn>clement: rule of thumb: upgrade is safe, full-upgrade: watch and understand what will be done first
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06:48<daemonkeeper>clement: For what its worth, you (almost) never need full-upgrade until you want to upgrade distributions (hence its old name "dist-upgrade")
06:49<clement>daemonkeeper, ok !
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06:53<cafenet>does anybody have any idea how can i have my own distro?
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06:54<daemonkeeper>Sure, download Debian, burn it on CD, and label it "cafenet OS"
06:55<clement>lol !
06:55<cafenet>c'mon man i wanna have my own apps installed on it and my own design
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06:56<clement>daemonkeeper: i've registered my nickname on this server, i used XChat, can i create an automated script or something like that to identity me when i come here ?
06:57<daemonkeeper>clement: Sure, you will find Nickserv scripts on the xchat home page, or just use the connect command. These days also SASL is preferred however I don't know whether xchat supports that
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06:59<clement>daemonkeeper: thanks, i go to xchat website now
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07:06<cafenet>wat is the difrences vetween apt-get and aptitude?
07:07<daemonkeeper>cafenet: (again)
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07:08<daemonkeeper>There are also factoids, ask dpkg about "why aptitude", "why not aptitude" and of course "apt" "aptitude"
07:09<gruetzkopf>hm, anyone knows how to setop a wintab compatible digitizer tablet under debian?
07:09<madadam1>clement, no, have I to restart?
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07:12<clement>madadam1: yes
07:12<clement>i thought that you've already done that
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07:12<clement>i come back
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07:27<clement>madadam1: is it working now ?
07:27<madadam1>clement, no
07:28<clement>i'm a really beginner, i can't help you further unfortunatly
07:28<clement>try to maybe have a look on google
07:28<madadam1>clement, thank you anyway
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07:30<daemonkeeper>madadam1: What's ifconfigs output?
07:30<clement>is your ethernet card recognized if you type ifconfig (with root right)
07:30<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
07:30<clement>woops , sorry
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07:32<daemonkeeper>What makes you think, it wouldn't work? That looks right to me
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07:32<daemonkeeper>Well, actually you are connected to both
07:32<daemonkeeper>WLAN and wired LAN
07:32<daemonkeeper>Both giving you the same subnet, that causes routing problems
07:32<daemonkeeper>But technically everything is fine
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07:33<clement>just try to disconnect your wlan card
07:33<clement>to see if the ethernet card works well
07:33<clement>but effectivly, you've got an ip with both of your cards (ethernet and wifi)
07:34<daemonkeeper>madadam1: Please disable WLAN and try again. Please paste ifconfig again as well as output from the "route -n" command
07:34<pq>hello all
07:35<madadam1>daemonkeeper, ifconfig route -n?
07:35<pq>fsck says my file system has errors, but when i boot from debian live cd and run fsck again it reports the file system is clean
07:35<clement>madadam1: just route -n
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07:36<daemonkeeper>madadam1: Those are two commands
07:36<daemonkeeper>madadam1: So, ifconfig, enter, route -n -> pastebin
07:36<madadam1>daemonkeeper, they don't work without administrator privilege
07:36<daemonkeeper>(almost) True
07:36<daemonkeeper>So become root
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07:37<daemonkeeper>You didn't disable wlan
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07:38<madadam1>daemonkeeper, sorry
07:38<clement>do you know if skype is supported on debian squeeze ?
07:38<daemonkeeper>clement: Skype is non-free, besides you can install packages provided by Skype
07:38<clement>or if another free software support the skype protocol
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07:39<robinetd>Doesn't pidgin do skype?
07:39<daemonkeeper>clement: The Skype protocol is propietary and was not reverse engineered until recetly. Therefore no free client does understand Skype
07:39<clement>thank you !
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07:40<daemonkeeper>madadam1: That looks better now. Try to restart your wired network. It should work afterwards (or do it the hard way and set your default gateway manually)
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07:42<madadam1>daemonkeeper, how cab I set my default gateway manually?
07:42<daemonkeeper>madadam1: Never mind, just do "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0"
07:42<daemonkeeper>Or virtually the same in your network manager (if any)
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07:45<madadam1>daemonkeeper, the network manager says "device not managed (translate from italian)"
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07:47<daemonkeeper>madadam1: Can't help you with network manager, I guess you're using plain net-tools then, ifdown/ifup is right then
07:48<clement>madadam1: wait , i've read something which can help you
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07:50<madadam1>in /etc/network/interfaces I've both auto wlan0 auto eth0
07:50<madadam1>could it be a problem?
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07:50<daemonkeeper>madadam1: This is your problem, but only if you start both
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07:51<daemonkeeper>Usually this won't hurt until you plug in a wire
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07:51<clement>first, write that in your /etc/network/interfaces:
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07:51<daemonkeeper>Now you did, you have to disable WiFI to get a working wired connection
07:51<madadam1>which should I eliminate?
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07:52<clement>(create a backup of your file before, just in case)
07:52<daemonkeeper>madadam1: What exactly are you trying to do? I can't see, how this should help madadam1
07:52<daemonkeeper>Sorry, clement
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07:52<clement>i'm not finished
07:53<SorryGuest>I'm trying to install debian on a USB drive, but it's failing on installing grub loader
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07:54<clement>madadam1: now in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf look if you have a line like : [ifupdown]
07:54<clement>you can force the management by changing managed=true
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07:55<madadam1>clement, managed is a way to use the network card, it isn't the problem
07:55<SorryGuest>it just says that "grub-install /dev/sdb" fails, and that it's a "critical error". What can I be failing at?
07:56<clement>madadam1: my NetworkManager.conf looks like that
07:56<daemonkeeper>madadam1: As I said, your problem is, you had conflicting routes over both, wired and wireless networks. If you want to use your wired connection, just disable WiFi and re-configure your wired network to put its default routes in place
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07:57<madadam1>daemonkeeper, So I'll do this: disable wifi, configure my wired network from network manager, reboot. Is it ok?
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07:58<daemonkeeper>madadam1: No need to reboot
07:58<daemonkeeper>Remaing parts sound about rigt
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07:58<madadam1>daemonkeeper, ok
07:58<daemonkeeper>From command line, all you have to do is "dhclient eth0"
07:59<daemonkeeper>after having disabled WiFi
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08:00<daemonkeeper>If you want this permanently configured that way, either use network manager or put "allow-hotplug eth0" "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in your /etc/network/interfaces
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08:05<madadam1>daemonkeeper, nothing
08:05<daemonkeeper>Can you paste ifconfig and route -n again?
08:05<madadam1>daemonkeeper, ok
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08:07<daemonkeeper>There is wlan0 again
08:07<daemonkeeper>Didn't you disable it? ;>
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08:08<the_hydra>hi all
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08:08<daemonkeeper>Manually, you can do: ifconfig wlan0 down; ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient eth0. That might go around all network manager oddities
08:08<the_hydra>which command output that is correct that tells us the total blocks occupied by a file? "ls -ls" or "stat"?
08:08<daemonkeeper>However it may (or may not) try to re-enable it again
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08:16<mandark>Hi there
08:16<clement>hi mandark
08:17<mandark>Just installed a Debian on my laptop, and I have a strange display bug : The screen lightly flickers (few pixels, it's readeable, bug a bit blurry) even during boot, any idea ?
08:18<mandark>It start only on a second phase of the boot, when the font changes (starting framebuffer ??)
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08:19<mandark>( asking there cause i can't find any usefull keywords to find an idea on google )o: )
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08:26<MrFrood>mandark: try searching againt the graphics chipset your lappy has
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08:28<mandark>MrFrood: That's what I'v searched, I got a ATI Radeon X2300, but searching 'flickering' don't yield to interesting fixes )o:
08:29<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
08:30<dvs>mandark: did you install the firmware-linux-nonfree package?
08:30<MrFrood>mandark: try /msg dpkg fglrx
08:30<mandark>dvs: Yes installed it
08:30<mandark>MrFrood: Thanks i'm trying it
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08:38<mandark>MrFrood: I'm not a desktop debian user, so i'm bad at thoses things, but, does install the fglrx drivers or other drivers can fix a display problem outside of X ?
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08:40<grove>On my computer at work mpd causes a notification to appear whenever it changes song, at I like that. At my computer at home, no such notification appears, probably because I disabled installation of recommends before installing (basically) anything, what package am I missing?
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08:41<MrFrood>mandark: I use nivida - outside of X kms (kernal mode setting) is used to set the frame-buffer - I've disabled kms and used alternate method
08:41<dpkg>Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.
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08:42<MrFrood>I'm not sure what is the best methof for an ati lappy
08:43<mandark>MrFrood: Thanks, so many path to explore to fix my bug :-) :-)
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08:47<ml|>grove: what frontend are you using?
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08:47<Barami>Hello :)
08:48<grove>ml|: mpc
08:48<Barami>Hm.. Who are using the gnome 3 on debian?
08:48<Barami>I have been installed gnome 3 with gnome shell on debian.
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08:49<Barami>But it has smoe problem. So, i find the way to fix.
08:49<ml|>Barami: using testing or sid?
08:49<gnugr>Barami: please join #debian-next
08:50<Barami>based testing, but gnome3 install from experimental.
08:50<Barami>gnugr, Thanks.
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08:54<grove>ml|: But as the frontend is not involved in most song changes, I'm quite sure that's irrelevant to my problem. Actually I don't think mpd has much to do with it, it's just the only thing sending notification I use, it's probably some daemon to listen for and display them I need
08:54<ml|>grove: mpc does not show anything related to notifications as suggest or recommends; so it must be something else
08:54<clement>i would like to configure my microphone (near of my webcam, built in the screen of my laptop), which program can i use to test it under debian squeeze ?
08:54<mandark>MrFrood: Disabled i915-kms and the flickering disappared, thanks a lot !
08:55<ml|>grove: I asked on frontends because the graphical frontends like ario will show you a popup
08:58<ml|>grove: I think this what you need... libnotify1 according to
08:58<gruetzkopf>hey, does anyone here know how to get a summagraphics mm compatible graphics tablet to wor in debian squeeze+xorg?
08:58<grove>ml|: Okay, at work (it set it up there first) I installed a few graphical frontends (possibly including ario), but didn't see any value from any of them, so I never use them. - libnotify1 is installed
08:59<ml|>ok, I'm out of ideas then
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09:47<onensora>jhutchins: Hey, remember me from yesterday? I was having trouble installing Debian from CD. I spent the whole night trying things without any luck. So today I decided to try one last time, and got the DVD rather than CD. It worked without any problem.. weird stuff
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09:48<robinetd>onensora: Networked install didn't work?
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10:01<onensora>robinetd: no, it didn't. Gave the exact same error
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10:03<robinetd>onensora: Very strange. :\
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10:05<onensora>robinetd: yes. Now I'm no expert so it's very possible I did something wrong somewhere along the line, but installing via DVD I did exactly the same as from CD so I dunno
10:05<onensora>either way it works now and I am happy
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10:06<l0ckd0wn>thats good
10:07<l0ckd0wn>im in similar circumstances
10:07<l0ckd0wn>I'm just running into some compiling problems for PPC
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10:17<clement>Hi again =)
10:18<clement>I'm trying to configure my integrated microphone in my laptop
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10:19<clement>it's a sony vaio nw21ef and alsamixer say: Card: HDA Intel, Chip: Realtek ALC262
10:19<clement>the sound with the speakers is good
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10:19<clement>it's just the built-in microphone
10:19<clement>someone can help me ?
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10:32<movl>clement: alsa-mixer or aumix, check if it isn't muted
10:32<movl>sorry, alsamixer
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10:33<clement>so, for aumix, command not found, and in alsamixer i've a lot of devices
10:34<movl>well then, install aumix; as for alsamixer, use the right arrow until you reach the microphone
10:34<Zaba>clement, in alsamixer, press F4
10:34<Zaba>it only shows playback devices by default
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10:34<Zaba>F4 makes it show capture devices
10:34<clement>now i see the captures device
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10:35<Zaba>well, your microphone should be shown there
10:35<clement>i have Capture, Catpure 1, Capture 2 and Digital
10:35<jonos>h folks what would be causing a 404 erro when i try to go to certain webpages on iceweasel < i have to be on this for the script i need
10:35<movl>clement: make sure it isn't muted ('m' key)
10:35<jonos>the pages work
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10:36<clement>when i press m, nothing happens
10:36<Zaba>clement, what's the volume level of those devices?
10:36<clement>i've capture, capture 1 and 2 in red
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10:37<clement>i mean the name capture under
10:37<jonos>hi folks what would cuase a 404 error on iceweasel under debian the pages im tryign to go to does exist i checked on different browser but it has to be done on iceweasel thanks in avance for your help *
10:37<clement>and it's at the maximum volume
10:37<Zaba>clement, red 'capture' means they are enabled
10:37<jonos>404 not found nginx/0.7.67 it error i get
10:37<Zaba>clement, you can toggle them with space
10:38<Zaba>'m' is for playback devices
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10:38<movl>Zaba: yes, my bad
10:39<Zaba>clement, and the mic doesn't work?
10:39<clement>no :(
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10:40<clement>but it's not all, in the capture devices i've three "Input Source"
10:40<clement>i can choose: Mic, Front Mic, Line or Cd
10:41<Zaba>did you try all? :P
10:41<clement>and i'm thinking it's maybe the "Digital" for my built in microphone
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10:41<clement>because it's a microphone integrated to the webcam
10:41<clement>in my screen
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10:42<movl>I'd go for Mic
10:42<clement>and Digital is the only one without the red CAPTURE under
10:42<Zaba>clement, try enabling it with spacebar
10:42<clement>and i can't enable it with the space bar
10:42<Zaba>clement, also, does arecord -l list more than one card?
10:43<clement>card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC262 Analog [ALC262 Analog]
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10:44<clement>just this one
10:44<Ruusento>clement: it's possible that the built-in microphone it's part of the virtual sound-card made by the webcam
10:44<Ruusento>and, possibly, not supported
10:44<clement>Ruusento: arghhh
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10:45<Ruusento>trying touching some setups using alsamixer or other graphical mixers can be useful to find which input is it
10:45<Ruusento>if it's not connected to the webcam but on the soundcard input
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10:46<clement>sure but i've tried the three capture and the digital one
10:46<Ruusento>if you've got Windows on that laptop you can check out which device is the microphone connected to
10:47<clement>in gnome record and nothing except some "noise" from digital
10:47<Ruusento>if it's not that ALC262 device, you can only take the hypothesis that the microphone it's connected on the webcam
10:47<Ruusento>*connected to the webcam
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10:48<Ruusento>try to google your laptop model with the keywords "builtin microphone linux"
10:48<clement>is there any other tricks to know that, i don't want to reinstall windows
10:48<Ruusento>maybe you find a solution
10:49<clement>ok, i'm going to search
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10:49<clement>and if you want help me, i've a sony vaio nw21ef
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10:51<Ruusento>clement: on one forum, I've found that placing on /etc/modprobe.conf the string options snd-hda-intel model=vaio
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10:51<Ruusento>can help on the sound routing
10:52<Ruusento>or you can place it on /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf if it exists on squeeze (I'm using sid)
10:53<clement>yes it exists ;-)
10:53<clement>and on this forum: i've found a line:
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10:53<clement>vaio Setup for VAIO FE550G/SZ110
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10:53<Ruusento>see under ALC262
10:53<clement>the option with "vaio" help for the STAC9872 card ??
10:54<Ruusento>since you've that card
10:54<Ruusento>oh, there's sony-assamd
10:54<clement>i've tried sony-assamd without succcess
10:54<clement>sorry :-/
10:54<Ruusento>you must reboot every time you change that file
10:54<clement>i've tried before coming here
10:54<clement>and i've reboot :s
10:54<Ruusento>or rmmod and modprobe that module
10:55<Ruusento>try model=vaio even if it's not for your chip
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10:55<clement>and i reboot ?
10:55<Ruusento>as usual ;)
10:56<clement>no, as usual is for win ;-)
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10:56<Ruusento>clement: that's true :P
10:57<clement>i've an atapi mic in the play devices
10:57<clement>is it the cdrom?
10:57<Ruusento>i don't think cd/dvd readers have micsù
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10:57<ajeet>Hello, purely out of interest, does anyone here have any experience running debian on the latest thinkpad x220?
10:59<Ruusento>clement: looking on some forums, the ATAPI mic is the internal mic
11:00<clement>Ruusento: arghh, in the playback devices ?!!
11:00<Ruusento>it's the input for the old analog CD reading
11:01<Ruusento>you know, that four cables that are behind the readers
11:01<clement>very old stuff
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11:03<Ruusento>on some forums I've seen some toshiba satellites using that port to connect the internal microphone
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11:03<clement>so, i'm going to try with options snd-hda-intel model=vaio, i reboot and come back
11:03<Ruusento>or maybe it's a driver misunderstanding of the inputs
11:04<l0ckd0wn>Any estimation on how long it will take to compile a new kernel on a G4 866?
11:04<Ruusento>l0ckd0wn: on a Celeron 900 MHz it took approx 2 hrs
11:05<l0ckd0wn>I'm thinking it's been going for like 30min now, wondering if I should wait or get a few winks in between
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11:05<l0ckd0wn>Well, this is PowerPC G4, not sure how the comparison is, but that sounds reasonable enough. THanks Ruusento
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11:06<Ruusento>since gcc it's usually patched to use the optimizations on the CPUs, the comparison errs on a max of 15 mins
11:07<Ruusento>on a Dual-Core, cross-compiling a barebones 2.6.17 took 15 minutes
11:08<l0ckd0wn>wow, thats awesome. I'm actually compiling specifically to enable SMP
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11:08<l0ckd0wn>hoping to pull a bit of extra power out of this dual g4
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11:08<clement>i love the rapidity of debian !! =D
11:08<l0ckd0wn>was disappointed that it wasn't supported out of the box, but then, this is my first *nix install/config/etc. so it's great practice
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11:09<Ruusento>l0ckd0wn: SMP enabled kernels are on the repos afaik
11:09<l0ckd0wn>never compiled a kernel before, just followed the instructions in the install guide... ran into an error with the WERROR, but finally got that compile problem fixed
11:10<darkbrand>I just had a short power cut and now I get this problem every time is try to use vi: Seems like some sort of corrupt config file but I don't know which is responsabile. Can anyone recognize it please?
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11:11<l0ckd0wn>hmmm, i'm guessing here, but couldn't you force an update to VI?
11:11<darkbrand>I already tried that!
11:11<clement>Ruusento: after reboot, nothing happends, i don't see any change in alsamixer*
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11:11<Ruusento>darkbrand: try reinstalling it using apt-get --purge --remove vi; apt-get install vi
11:11<Ruusento>include the purge
11:11<darkbrand>I did that already Ruusento
11:12<Ruusento>to remove even the configurations
11:12<l0ckd0wn>im getting intimately familiar with apt-get... similar but different from yum
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11:12<darkbrand>Actually let me try again cause I used synaptic the first time.
11:12<ompaul>darkbrand: what happens with just vi on its own
11:12<Ruusento>l0ckd0wn: which version are you using, lenny or squeeze?
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11:13<cthuluh>darkbrand: rm ~/.viminfo
11:13<Ruusento>l0ckd0wn: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-powerpc-smp
11:13<Ruusento>it should be on the repos
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11:13<l0ckd0wn>ok, newb here, wut does repos mean?
11:14<Ruusento>l0ckd0wn: stop compiling, there's the kernel on apt
11:14<l0ckd0wn>because i just went in and switched the SMP flag in the kernel editor, then (finally) turned off the WERROR and it's finally compiling. Ahh, that makes sense, thank you
11:15<darkbrand>--purge didn't work. Perhaps the config file is unrelated to vi. I dunno.
11:15<ompaul>darkbrand: what happens with just vi on its own
11:15<ompaul>does it behave as expected or something else
11:15<darkbrand>same output
11:15<darkbrand>same error
11:16<Ruusento>l0ckd0wn: but, you don't need to recompile it, Debian includes on apt the smp versions of the kernels
11:16<l0ckd0wn>ahhh ok
11:16<Ruusento>if you want the latest you need to compile it
11:16<l0ckd0wn>i was just gathering that, so i should just ctrl+c and apt-get that pack?
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11:17<Ruusento>you need only to do apt-get install linux-image-2.6-smp
11:17<l0ckd0wn>hmmm awesome, ill kill the compile now
11:17<Ruusento>clement: nothing new?
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11:17<l0ckd0wn>well, actually im going to let it finish and then attempt to use the new kernel, for at least practice. Thanks though Ruusento
11:17<clement>Ruusento: unfortunatly no
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11:18<Ruusento>clement: try getting 2.6.38 from the backports
11:18<ompaul>darkbrand: did that rm fix it?
11:18<darkbrand>rm what?
11:18<Ruusento>maybe the new kernel supports your mic
11:19<clement>Ruusento: i'm a newbie, and is this kernel stable ?
11:19<darkbrand>oh sorry didn't notice cthuluh trying now
11:19<ompaul>darkbrand: your .viminfo
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11:19<Ruusento>clement: for it's stable, but it didn't make on the stable repo of debian since there's the freeze of the packages
11:19<darkbrand>yep! Thanks everybody!
11:19<JJ_>ok im lost i installed dtc for debian squeeze now evertime i try to visit certain websites i get 404 not found error nginx how can i fix it ?
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11:20<JJ_>i got dced a minute ago :(
11:21<Ruusento>clement: the latest stable on is, so I think 2.6.38 should be pretty stable at this time
11:21<clement>Ruusento: if i upgrade my kernel version, what problem can i have later ?
11:21<Ruusento>clement: that custom compiled modules need to be recompiled
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11:21<ompaul>JJ_: dtc can refer to many things you might like to tell people what you actually installed and not its initials
11:21<clement>is it complicated ?
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11:22<clement>i don't want mess my freshly installed debian :s
11:22<Ruusento>clement: did you compile modules on your box, such as wi-fi drivers or similar?
11:22<ompaul>clement: if you are new learn the working system and how to use it first so you can get into and out of trouble on your own :-)
11:22<Ruusento>clement: usually debian doesn't remove the old kernel
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11:22<Ruusento>so if the newer doesn't work, you can use the older
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11:22<Ruusento>and then remove it :P
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11:23<clement>wow perfect
11:23<clement>i'm going to love linux =)
11:23<clement>can you help me to install this new kernel ?
11:23<clement>lol !
11:24<ompaul>clement: if you are new learn the working system and how to use it first so you can get into and out of trouble on your own :-) that kind of thing is just asking for trouble seriously learn by getting all the programs you want (there are about 30k of them)
11:25<clement>so i can do that!
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11:25<ompaul>clement: when you have a firm grip on installing and removing, and understanding how to get more up to date packages which you can do, you will have a better time - but if you want to break the box, you can expect to hang onto all the parts :)
11:26<ompaul>broken software can frustrate pretty badly
11:26*ompaul notes that was said by someone using mostly sid and some other stuff
11:26*JJ_ waits patiently
11:26<Ruusento>ompaul: that's true, but upgrading only the kernel from backports shouldn't break anything apart custom-compiled modules
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11:26<ompaul>JJ_: dtc can refer to many things you might like to tell people what you actually installed and not its initials
11:27<ompaul>Ruusento: that much is true :) but hardly going to add in new functionality that will help ime but that's just me
11:27<clement>Ruusento: i've added the repo
11:27<Ruusento>ompaul: the problem clement is having is about his internal mic not being recognized by ALSA
11:28<ompaul>Ruusento: ahh. failed to see that (I guess you just saw that I failed to see ;-))
11:28<Ruusento>since ALSA is part of the Linux kernel, it might resolve the problem
11:28<clement>Ruusento: i hope !!
11:28<clement>rahhh, tab !!
11:28<Ruusento>clement: did you give apt-get update?
11:29<clement>Ruusento: is it the next step after added the repo ?
11:29<clement>should i use apt-get or aptitude ?
11:29<Ruusento>it's the same thing
11:29<Ruusento>now, have you got the 32 or 64 bit build?
11:29<clement>yes but sometimes one is more efficient
11:30<Ruusento>aptitude is usually more efficient
11:30<clement>update made
11:30<sney>apt-get tends to be slightly faster, but aptitude has better dependency resolution
11:30<Ruusento>giving you advices when some packages are broken or incompatible with other libs or software
11:31<clement>so i can follow by which command ?
11:31<clement>after the apt-get update
11:31<Ruusento>clement: 32 or 64 bits?
11:31<Ruusento>how much RAM?
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11:31<clement>4Gb, but 32bits = 3gb used
11:31<Ruusento>because you can use the bigmem kernel for >4gb PCs
11:32<Ruusento>clement: another problem resolved
11:32<Ruusento>now you can use all the RAM :P
11:32<clement>with the 32bits and new kernel ?
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11:32<clement>Ruusento: I love you !
11:32<Ruusento>clement: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686-bigmem
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11:34<Ruusento>if it doesn't work, give apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686-bigmem"
11:34<clement>apt-get install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686-bigmem
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11:34<clement>ok i try that
11:35<clement>81Mb downloading
11:35<Ruusento>when it finishes, you reboot the box and it will run the new kernel :P
11:35<clement>no sorry, 26Mb, and after on the disk 81
11:36<Ruusento>going having a shower
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11:36<clement>Ruusento: it's very easy ?!
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11:36<Ruusento>clement: it's automatic :P
11:36<clement>after that i don't have anything else to do ? !
11:36<Ruusento>on grub you will see the new kernel
11:36<clement>crazy =)
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11:36<clement>ok !
11:36<Ruusento>and the old
11:36<Ruusento>so you can choose between the two
11:36<clement>ohhh, i've an encrypted hard drive
11:36<clement>with cryptsetup
11:37<clement>with all my partition except /boot
11:37<clement>is it alright ?
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11:37<Ruusento>yes, debian should put the modules for the crypto on the initrd
11:37<Ruusento>so it will boot :P
11:37<clement>cool !
11:37<clement>go take your shower, see you after ;-)
11:38<clement>(wow, 3h38am in New Zealand, i spent my night on my laptop)
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11:41<f0rtex>hi everybody
11:42<clement>hi f0rtex
11:42<f0rtex>i was about to setup backuppc and did a terrible mistake: rm -rf * in /var/lib instead of /var/lib/backuppc
11:43<f0rtex>what's the best way to "undo" this crap
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11:43<raboof>f0rtex: depends on how much still works.. did you manage to ^C it or is it all gone?
11:43<f0rtex>all gone :(
11:44<raboof>of course you have all the really essental bits still in /lib, so that's good
11:44<raboof>does apt-get still work?
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11:44<Zaba>raboof, /var/lib != /usr/lib
11:45<f0rtex>haven't tried yet
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11:45<raboof>Zaba: oh, yeah :S
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11:49<f0rtex>I can't even do a dpkg --get-selections | grep ' install' > reinstall-packages
11:50<f0rtex>because /var/lib/dpkg is gone
11:51<themill>f0rtex: do you have /var/backups (or some other backups?)
11:51<f0rtex>nope, I was about to setup the backup of the machine
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11:53<Zaba>f0rtex, you do have /var/backups
11:53<f0rtex>I do
11:53<Zaba>f0rtex, there, you have, among other things, dpkg and apt status files backed up
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11:54<Zaba>which helps you a bit
11:54<Zaba>that is to say, it is certainly better than nothing
11:54<f0rtex>so I have to copy the files to /var/lib/dpkg ?
11:55<Zaba>well, /var/backups/dpkg.status.0 corresponds to /var/lib/dpkg/status
11:55<Zaba>apt.extended_states.0 to /var/lib/apt/extended_states, etc.
11:56<f0rtex>got it
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11:56<Zaba>but you won't restore all of /var/lib from that, of course
11:56<Zaba>I have no idea how much apt/dpkg need to function, though
11:56<f0rtex>i gonna try a reinstall of all packages
11:56<Zaba>the worst I had was file corruption in a single file (/var/lib/dpkg/status)
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11:58<clement>Ruusento: you're the Man, it's working now
11:59<Ruusento>clement: commenting what you've said
11:59<Ruusento>here in Italy it's 6:00pm
11:59<clement>i'm a french guy living in new zealand actually
12:00<Ruusento>seeing the nickname I thought about that
12:00<clement>i'm here to improve my english and work in my area in another country
12:01<Ruusento>I went with school to france, visiting Cannes and other parts of the south
12:01<Ruusento>since from Italy it's pretty straightforward to get there
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12:02<antisistema>in Argentina it's 13:00hs and I try to understand Blender ...a little
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12:03<Yossarian>hi guys, i'm running wheezy and i can't authentication in gdmsetup, with the following error:
12:04<Yossarian>(gdmsetup:3915): polkitgtk-WARNING **: Error obtaining authorization for action id `org.gnome.displaymanager.settings.set': GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
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12:04<Black_Prince>Yossarian, is dbus running?
12:05<Yossarian>Black_Prince, uh, i don't know
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12:05<clement_>back again
12:05<Black_Prince>Yossarian, check /var/log/daemon.log
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12:05<clement_>two possibility, modem error or wifi driver error :-/
12:06<clement_>i hope for the modem error
12:06<Ruusento>clement_: it's normal that wifi makes some glitches, even on windows I have similar problems
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12:06<Yossarian>Black_Prince, what am i looking for in there?
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12:07<clement_>yes but this time i've seen two essid of the same modem, one unencrypted and one encrypted
12:07<Ruusento>using an atheros mini-pci on my laptop, on windows i lose the connection at around 11:30pm every day
12:07<clement_>ah ok
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12:07<Ruusento>and on Linux every week at the same time
12:07<Ruusento>i think it's caused by overheating
12:08<clement_>for the overheating
12:08<jhutchins>Could be external noise.
12:08<Ruusento>since I always had this problem with every Wireless NIC
12:08<Ruusento>and it happens after hours of traffic
12:08<clement_>normaly i used GKrellM but now on this new kernel, the temperature of my cpu's are gone :s
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12:08<Black_Prince>Yossarian, strange. I've seen some dbus messages there, But I guess that is newer dbus version
12:09<Ruusento>clement_: strange
12:09<Ruusento>maybe the thermal modules don't get loaded on boot
12:09<clement_>hmm during the boot i've seen a lot of error
12:09<clement_>where can i see the log ?
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12:10<Ruusento>clement_: dmesg
12:10<clement_>Ruusento: and during the installation of the new kernel, i've seen an error because i've installed the closed driver of my ati card :s
12:10<clement_>i'm going to try to reinstall it
12:11<Ruusento>clement_: you can update them from backports
12:11<Ruusento>change on the sources.list the line you placed for the backports
12:11<Ruusento>and add non-free
12:11<clement_>yes but i've installed this one by this method :
12:11<clement_>installing manually
12:11<Ruusento>with the ati installer?
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12:11<Ruusento>do the same steps
12:12<clement_>i've to uninstall it before ?
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12:12<clement_>because i still see the ATI Catalyst in my gnome menu
12:12<Ruusento>no clement_, usually if you run the ati installer it will fix it
12:13<Ruusento>you need only to install the new kernel headers
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12:13<clement_>yes it was written during the installation
12:13<clement_>how can i do that ?
12:13<Ruusento>with apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "linux-headers-2.6.38-bpo.2-all-i386"
12:13<clement_>thank you again !!
12:13<Ruusento>oops, these are all the headers
12:13<Ruusento>it's linux-headers-2.6.38-bpo.2-686-bigmem
12:13<Black_Prince>That cchtml page contains instructions for Ubuntu, since they use sudo with each command and fglrx installer never could create packages for Debian, only ubuntu
12:14<Ruusento>Black_Prince: he already said that he uses the manual method
12:14<Ruusento>that works on Debian
12:14<clement_>Black_Prince: yes, but i've just run the installer
12:14<clement_>and effectivly that works fine on debian
12:15<Black_Prince>Yeah, manual method works.
12:15<clement_>Ruusento: so i've just to install the kernel header and re-run the ati installer ?
12:16<clement_>good =)
12:16<Ruusento>and reinstall the packages it make
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12:16<Ruusento>as the tutorial says
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12:17<clement_>honestly, this line: sudo sh ./ --buildpkg <package> never worked for me
12:18<clement_>i've just run directly the installer
12:18<clement_>because with the previous line i had always an error at the end of the building
12:18<clement_>something like cp X11/blabla cannot found
12:19<Ruusento>clement_: because you must change <package> with Debian/stable
12:19<clement_>yes sure
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12:19<clement_>i did that, but that was the same
12:19<Black_Prince>Ruusento, I told before, that method does not work for any version of debian, it only works for ubuntu
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12:20<clement_>yes, Black_Prince , the only way for debian (for me) was to install it without building packages
12:20<clement_>and that worked fine
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12:20<Black_Prince>clement_, yes that way works only with ati package.
12:21<clement_>hmm question, i obtain that at the end of the installation of the kernel headers: dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 2.6.38-bpo.2-686-bigmem:
12:21<clement_> fglrx (8.861)...failed.
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12:21<clement_>fglrx is a part of ATI Catalyst
12:22<clement_>can i just forget this error and reinstall the driver without problem or i have to do something else before ?
12:22<Ruusento>clement_: because maybe it tried to recompile that
12:22<clement_>Ruusento: yes, how can i avoid that (if it's necessary ??)
12:22<Black_Prince>clement_, do you have any debian-packaged version of fglrx installed?
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12:22<clement_>i don't know
12:23<Ruusento>try to remove the old drivers and reinstall the headers, it shouldn't do that problem anymore
12:23<Black_Prince>clement_, dpkg -l | grep fglrx
12:23<clement_>Black_Prince: nothing
12:24<Black_Prince>clement_, if you have fglrx-modules-dkms or fglrx-source packages, purge them. Alternatively purge them all.
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12:24<Black_Prince>clement_, I've never used ati installer since I do not have ati card, but is there any way to run some uninstall method?
12:24<JJ_>ok starnge
12:24<JJ_>what happened ?
12:24<JJ_>i was waiting for an answer and suddenly im dced
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12:25<clement_>Black_Prince: maybe with these lines
12:25<clement_>$ sudo sh /usr/share/ati/
12:25<clement_>$ sudo apt-get remove --purge fglrx fglrx_* fglrx-amdcccle* fglrx-dev* xorg-driver-fglrx
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12:27<themill>note that "*" doesn't do what you think it does there
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12:28<clement_>i had some lines like "Note, selecting 'fglrx-atieventsd' for regex 'fglrx_*'"
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12:29<clement_>and at the end some lines like "E: Unable to locate package fglrx"
12:29<clement_>is it normal?
12:29<themill>quite. apt uses regexs not globbing. I would probably have just used "aptitude purge ~nfglrx"
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12:30<clement_>thank you i try that
12:30<clement_>themill: Note: selecting "fglrx-control" instead of the
12:30<clement_> virtual package "fglrx-control-qt3"
12:30<clement_>No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
12:30<clement_>sounds good ?
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12:43<Black_Prince>Worst thing happens when using instructions meant for other distribution ...
12:43-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
12:43-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: squeeze (6.0.2) released; /msg dpkg squeeze ; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | lenny (5.0.8) /msg dpkg 5.0.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next | FAQ:
12:43-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
12:43<themill>(topicdiff: 6.0.2 released)
12:44<Black_Prince>I saw that already on facebook page
12:44<Black_Prince>I didn't notice that it wasn't in the topic
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12:50<Ruusento>clement_: does it work now?
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12:51<clement_>Ruusento: i'm trying to reinstall the driver, a little difficult !!
12:54<clement_>Ruusento: [Error]A previous installation of fglrx driver detected to installed in dkms. User must uninstall existing fglrx driver or run install with force option. Forcing installation is not recommended.
12:54<clement_>can you help me with this ?!!
12:54<clement_>i think i've made some mistake !
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12:55<Ruusento>it says you must uninstall the existing driver
12:55<Ruusento>so you must find the command
12:55<Ruusento>to remove the packages
12:55<Ruusento>i recommend you to use aptitude/synaptic
12:55<Ruusento>and remove the fglrx packages
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12:56<Black_Prince>clement_, did you try using /usr/share/ati/ ?
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12:57<clement_>Black_Prince: yes, it's done :s
12:57<clement_>i ran by mistake this line: $ sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-glx fglrx-atieventsd fglrx-modules-dkms
12:57<clement_>i think it's the problem
12:58<Black_Prince>How can someone run that one by mistake?
12:58<clement_>lol, copy paste of the bad line!
12:58<Black_Prince>Anyways, that is right way for installing ati binary drivers, but it supports only newer cards
12:59<clement_>yes but it's for installation of the new driver from the debian non free repo
12:59<clement_>and i don't want to use this driver
12:59<Black_Prince>clement_, why?
12:59<clement_>i just want to install the last one:
13:00<Ruusento>even the ati-driver-installer installs non-free packages
13:00<clement_>because it's not the latest version on the debian repo
13:00<Black_Prince>there is 11-4 in squeeze backports
13:00<Ruusento>if there's a newer version on the backports
13:00<devil>fglrx is b0rked
13:00<Black_Prince>and 11-6 in experimental
13:00<devil>11-6 might work
13:01<clement_>yes, i used this version before my kernel update
13:01<Ruusento>you need only to place on sources.list non-free on the backports line
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13:05<Ruusento>just installed Debian Squeeze on my Western Digital NAS
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13:09<l0ckd0wn>wow really?
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13:12<Ruusento>l0ckd0wn: yes, there was already lenny for the first model of the MBWE
13:12<Ruusento>now the same people made a squeeze image for the newer version
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13:13<drgr33n>anyone got any idea on how I can build ati catalyst packages for wheezy x86_64 ?
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13:14<l0ckd0wn>wow, interesting Ruusento, I'm still very new to the linux community.
13:14<drgr33n>I've tried using the binary and issuing the buildpkg flag but it complains about missing files
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13:15<Black_Prince>drgr33n, use packages from experimental ... They are binary packages, so I guess it makes no diference where you use them. Also, buildpkg method never works for debian, only ubuntu (doh)
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13:15<Ruusento>l0ckd0wn: many devices use Linux
13:15<Ruusento>usually more than you think
13:16<Ruusento>often home router/modems use a microcontroller version of Linux
13:16<Ruusento>actually microcontroller-optimized version
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13:16<Ruusento>since the kernel is the same
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13:16<drgr33n>Thanks Black_Prince !! Are the packages in experimental 11.6 >
13:16<l0ckd0wn>Oh, I am well aware of that, I'm just saying I'm just getting into the nitty-gritty
13:17<Black_Prince>,versions fglrx-modules-dkms
13:17<judd>Package fglrx-modules-dkms on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:11-4-2; wheezy/non-free: 1:11-4-2; experimental/non-free: 1:11-6-1
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13:17<l0ckd0wn>I mean I upgraded my Bufallo router which was using a linux firmware to a company sponsored and badged DD-WRT version
13:17<drgr33n>yup :D excellent !!! Thanks guys
13:18<l0ckd0wn>and we use fedora for our routers at work... But I did my first actual installs over the last few days
13:18<l0ckd0wn>got some old macs im repurposing
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13:20<gpm>hi. i'm looking at a bug report of libgl1-nvidia-alternatives. the maintainer said it is fixed in the most recent version on the 23rd, when can i expect to see it in repos/pdo? they're both still showing the old, buggy version.
13:20<gpm>and nothing in incoming
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13:21<AriMartti>gpm: try /join #debian-next
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13:30<Planet8>I need some recommendations on setting up a calendar server for sharing a calender using iceowl. Anyone with experience in using a particular solution that they can recommend?
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13:35<abrotman>iceowl? icedove?
13:35<Planet8>Its the server side I need :)
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13:36<abrotman>i know ..
13:36<abrotman>you probably want to look for an ical server
13:36<Planet8>I think I need to look deeper into calendarserver from Apple
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13:37<jordanm>I believe zimbra does that kind of thing
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13:38<abrotman>zimbra does it also
13:39<abrotman>sorry, caldav, not ical
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13:49<moele>hello, Id like to know who I should report a broken repository to?
13:49<moele>the maintainers of that rep?
13:50<jordanm>is it an official debian mirror?
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13:51<moele>well official as in or official as in listed on the website as a mirror
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13:51<moele>if official as in type deal then no, its not official
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13:51<moele>and the rep is broken
13:52<jordanm>moele: what is broken about it?
13:52<moele>well i dont know if this technically constitutes broken
13:52<moele>Fetched 12.1 MB in 5s (2,305 kB/s)
13:52<moele>W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/mirror.peer1.net_debian_dists_wheezy_main_source_Sources Hash Sum mismatch
13:52<moele>W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/mirror.peer1.net_debian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-amd64_Packages Hash Sum mismatch
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13:52<moele>oops :)
13:53<Wolf__>anyone knows how to add swampy modules to python search path ?
13:53<nyov>let's check
13:53<nyov>Wolf__: sorry, not that. no clue ;)
13:53<moele>you know
13:53<jordanm>moele: mirror specific problems would be reported to the maintainers of the mirror
13:53<moele>it might be a problem with my cache
13:53<moele>i didnt try cleaning my apt cache
13:54<nyov>jordanm, but there is a -mirrors list for those problems, if they are genuine
13:56<moele>ya its just broken
13:56<moele>i tried cleaning it out, using a no-cache flag
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13:56<moele>nothing oh well, i'll let them know
13:56<nyov>moele: did you try another first?
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13:56<moele>other reps work fine
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13:57<moele>argh, cant find the list maintainer though
13:57<moele>sorry mirror maintainer
13:57<moele>no idea who to contact
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13:59<nyov>moele, it does llok up tp date at least according to it's trace
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14:00<ZeroMaxx>where all the bitches at?
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14:00<Black_Prince>That way -->
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14:01<ZeroMaxx>Liar. Girls don't use Linux
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14:02<saep>my sister does
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14:02<ZeroMaxx>i bet she also plays starcraft 2 all day
14:03<saep>nah.. she just uses it... i have to do all the other stuff :O
14:03<ZeroMaxx>fair enough
14:03<ZeroMaxx>is she hot?
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14:04<saep>like 36°C
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14:05<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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14:05<ZeroMaxx>hmmm...thats pretty damn hot
14:05<ZeroMaxx>you canadian?
14:05<nyov>ZeroMaxx: you got the wrong channel
14:06<ZeroMaxx>thats racist...
14:06<ZeroMaxx>where's the right channel then
14:06<ZeroMaxx>for coloured folk such as myself
14:06<MrFrood>ZeroMaxx: look at the msg from dpkg
14:07<nodisc>Hello again
14:07<ZeroMaxx>That sounds pretty boring
14:07<nodisc>I still can't resume from suspend on my netbook. No LCD backlight, I can hear the disk and fan spin up, but it's not responding at all. I have put some info here: I'd like some help here.. thanks
14:07<Black_Prince>!ops ZeroMaxx
14:07<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: black_prince complains about: ZeroMaxx
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14:08<Black_Prince>Thank you guys :)
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14:08<Hydroxide>I was also trying to decide beteen kickban and akill at the same time :)
14:08<Hydroxide>(due to the race-baiting)
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14:13<nyov>moele: your mirror seems to work ok for me
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14:19<mrniceguy>debhelper: hello
14:20<dpkg>hello, mrfrood
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14:20<etenil>Hi there
14:21<mrniceguy>dpkg: hello
14:21<dpkg>salut, mrniceguy
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14:22<etenil>I'm trying to setup a mail server with exim4, and I'd like to enable TLS, but I don't understand how to use the configuration files in debian. apparently, I'd have to define the variable MAIN_TLS_ENABLE, but I don't know how. Could someone help me?
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14:28<seba_>I'm having problems with accessing debian mirrors over ip6, anybody has similar problems?
14:28<seba_>kassia-ftp.debian.o:www SYN_SENT, possibly no ACK received
14:28<jaimesilva>can I force all the packages to be downgraded to a version of ? (two days ago)
14:28<seba_>but tracepath goes OK
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14:38<seba_>anyone here has ipv6 connection and can test connection to http at
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14:41<valdyn>64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=60 time=78.6 ms
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14:43<cthuluh>16 bytes from 2001:a78:5:0:216:35ff:fe7f:be4f, icmp_seq=0 hlim=59 time=98.55 ms
14:44<seba_>valdyn: pings (icmpv6) work for me too (64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=36.1 ms) but (telnet 80) on v6 doesn't
14:44<seba_>Trying 2001:a78:5:0:216:35ff:fe7f:be4f...
14:44<seba_>and nothing more, when I try over ipv4 it works fine
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14:45<valdyn>seba_: works
14:45<valdyn>Trying 2001:a78:5:0:216:35ff:fe7f:be4f...
14:45<valdyn>Connected to
14:45<seba_>and I'm wondering is it me, or is it something on this server
14:45<seba_>valdyn: ok, thank you very much
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14:49<seba_>valdyn: my fault shorewall6 policy blocked outgoing ipv6 traffic
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14:57<Black_Prince>$ ping6 \n connect: Network is unreachable
14:57<Black_Prince>I guess I disabled ipv6 in kernel :/
14:58<Terrible>where are you from?
14:58<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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15:01<gruetzkopf>hey, anyone here who already installed etch on a sparcstation 4 via SCSI CDROM?
15:02<abrotman>etch is pretty old, squeeze isn't supported on that machine ?
15:04<abrotman>that doesn't mean anything to me
15:04<abrotman>there's also a small #debian-sparc
15:04<abrotman>or you can try your real question here
15:04<gruetzkopf>its pretty old ~15years
15:04<abrotman>i know that ..
15:04<gruetzkopf>lenny dropped support for it
15:05<abrotman>ah okay
15:05<SynrG>what you have here, gruetzkopf, is a bunch of people who support current debian. #debian-sparc really is your best bet.
15:05<abrotman>gruetzkopf: is there a problem with booting from the CD?
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15:06<gruetzkopf>bot yet
15:07<gruetzkopf>but that scsi cdrom was hard to fix, but nothing a screwdriver and some glue cant get to work
15:07<abrotman>so what was the real question? normally you burn the ISO and then 'boot cdrom' in the Openboot thing
15:08<gruetzkopf>real questions start in about 7 minutes
15:08*abrotman hasn't used sparc hardware in ages
15:08<gruetzkopf>got some of them for free yesterday
15:09<gruetzkopf>2 sparcstation 4, 2 sparcstation 1+, 1 sparcstation IPC, 1 sparcclassic <-- Will be next
15:09<gruetzkopf>but first a ss4
15:09<gruetzkopf>pulling isos over a 2 mbit line is no fun
15:10<abrotman>you could use floppies
15:10<gruetzkopf>no floppy in ss4
15:10<gruetzkopf>at least this one7
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15:12<gruetzkopf>i will have to setup via vt100 emulation, my 13W3 to 6 BNC adapter isnt finished
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15:12<gruetzkopf>have trouble identifying the ComboSync Polarity
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15:13<gruetzkopf>and my sparcClassic doesnt like my serial adapter
15:13<gruetzkopf>an that one is the fastetest
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15:15<abrotman>you mean null modem cable?
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15:15<abrotman>gruetzkopf: they sell those adapters for the sun video cards
15:15<gruetzkopf>yeah, its pretty hacky
15:15<abrotman>gruetzkopf: alternately, an old sun monitor is pretty darn cheap
15:16<gruetzkopf>its juat 1 wire i didnt solder yet, RGB is finished
15:17<gruetzkopf>have a siemens nixdorf crt taht accepts combosync
15:17*abrotman had an SGI monitor that did vga and 13w3
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15:19<gruetzkopf>mom wants my laptop..
15:20<abrotman>give her a sparc
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15:24<gruetzkopf_pc>debian on pretty much every machine in this house
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15:24<l0tus-blade>is there any easy way to get X to use both of my monitors on 2 different cards? It is only working right now with 1 monitor, and the other is only capable of doing terminal right now
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15:31<abrotman>wtf .. he didn't even wait
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15:32<gruetzkopf_pc>sparc netinst boots, but wont mount cdrom
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15:40<nyov>abrotman: what, you couldn't instantly send him the correct answer? shame on you :p
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15:41<kdog>How does one get involved with the process for new stable releases?
15:41<abrotman>kdog: in what way?
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15:45<kdog>abrotman: well. I want to get involved in what is included in the stable release and help with UI design.
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15:45<abrotman>kdog: which UI? there are many ..
15:45<abrotman>kdog: you can also volunteer to maintain packages
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15:47<kdog>abrotman: for example, I just did a default install and the admin menu only has "Login Screen". No synaptic, or other obvious way to update/add on to the system
15:47<akerl>kdog: apt!
15:48<akerl>apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, pick your poison
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15:50<kdog>akerl: I use them all the time. But why isn't there a nice software browser? Is it because no one has written one or that it wasn't "chosen" by the team who declares what stable is?
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15:51<akerl>kdog: What makes synaptic not a "nice software browser"?
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15:53<kdog>akerl: I guess I'm thinking from a non-techy user standpoint. I think the Ubuntu Software Center has a nice design. I just installed mintdebian and that package manager is even nicer
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15:54<devil>what could be nicer than apt-get? :)
15:54<Wyzard>aptitude :-)
15:54<akerl>pacman :p
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15:54<devil>erm, not for me :)
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15:55<kdog>akerl: with synaptic, the UI is cluttered with all the libraries. An end user could care less about libraries, that's just the machinery that underlies the apps.
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15:56<akerl>kdog: That's what the search box is for
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15:56<abrotman>kdog: which UI? it depends what you install as to what you get
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15:59<kdog>akerl: for example, you type music in the search box and you get over 500 results with dev files, docs, data packages, libraries.
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16:00<abrotman>kdog: did you install gnome? kde?
16:00<kdog>abrotman: My default squeeze CD installed gnome
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16:01<abrotman>kdog: if oyu install the full 'gnome' metapackage, you do get GUI package managers
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16:03<kdog>abrotman: hmm. I think I might not have done a "full" install. At the partitioning step I went back and then forward and got more of a custom install. Let me re-install.
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16:03<Wyzard>I believe that's the same program as the Ubuntu Software Center
16:03<abrotman>you don't need to reinstall .. you just have to make sure you have http sources, aptitude update;aptitude install gnome
16:04<kdog>abrotman: I'm curious about the installer. It's only a VM anyway.
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16:05<kdog>Wyzard: cool. I'll see if it shows up in my default install.
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16:12<kdog>abrotman: so I guess if I'm running gnome, then it is the gnome packages that control the layout and contents of the menus and that is where I'd go to get involved with making changes.
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16:13<abrotman>kdog: eh, well, wheezy will likely have gnome3, so that will be completely different
16:14<abrotman>kdog: there is a debian-gnome mailing list IIRC
16:14<abrotman>eh .. nope
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16:15<kdog>is there a wheezy devel mailing list?
16:16<kdog>I guess that would be debian-testing
16:16<abrotman>it would roughly be debian-devel, but that's a lot of mail ..
16:16<abrotman>there is a debian-gtk-gnome mailing list, also debian-desktop ...
16:18<abrotman>not sure if any of those are what you're looking for
16:18<abrotman>you could also just run it, and file bugs
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16:21<kdog>Right. I'll start with running testing and filing bugs and see where that leads me.
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16:22<abrotman>kdog: remember, most of what you're asking for are wishlist bugs
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16:24<kdog>abrotman: maybe they are already answered in wheezy :-) I'm looking for a wheezy torrent right now.
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16:24<abrotman>use the netinst
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16:25<kdog>will do
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16:44<lotus-blade>is there any easy way to get X to use both of my monitors on 2 different cards? It is only working right now with 1 monitor, and the other is only capable of doing terminal right now
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16:44<lotus-blade>I have found many tutorial on how to do this, but I can not find the xorg.conf file
16:45<lotus-blade>it is supposed to be in /etc/X11/xorf.conf and it is not there
16:45<nyov>lotus-blade: you will have to create one, since recently Xord detects those settings automatically unless you override them
16:46<nyov>*Xorg :/
16:47<babilen>!tell lotus-blade -about xorg.conf.d
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17:02<dodo>hi, I can't find "python-dev" on wheezy repo's
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17:09<babilen>,versions python-dev
17:09<judd>Package python-dev on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze6; sid: 2.6.6-14; wheezy: 2.6.6-14; experimental: 2.7.2-1
17:10<babilen>dodo: Should be there -- Can you paste the the output of "apt-cache policy python-dev" and "apt-cache policy" to please?
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17:11<dodo>babilen: ok
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17:13<babilen>dodo: You can also include the output of "aptitude install python-dev" as that would quite likely be my next question :)
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17:13<b0a9>hello, what is a good gui for lvm?
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17:14<babilen>b0a9: There are LVM GUIs?
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17:15<b0a9>babilen: i was reading about evms and there is another one for fedora
17:16<b0a9>i just can't seem to find them in debian repos
17:16<l0ckd0wn>Hello, I keep getting this error when I'm trying to update some packages to enable SMP
17:17<l0ckd0wn>Not sure what to do next as if i try to install the dependencies or not, it fails
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17:17<babilen>b0a9: They do not seem to be packaged. You could file a RFP for them -- /msg dpkg rfp
17:17<babilen>dodo: Could you run "aptitude update" and try again please?
17:17<dodo>again? ok
17:17<b0a9>l0ckd0wn: is your boot partition mounted?
17:18<babilen>dodo: And please let me take a look at your /etc/apt/sources.list -- you likely have an error in there.
17:18<l0ckd0wn>b0a9 hmmm, yeah i want to say it is.
17:18<l0ckd0wn>because im doing it right from the ssh console. I was attempting to build my own kernel last night, but i get similar errors so i attempted to ready made SMP pack
17:19<babilen>dodo: And just to let you know: There is a dedicated channel for wheezy/sid users (#debian-next)
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17:20<babilen>dodo: Something is wrong with your wheezy main entry -- It might also be a problem with that particular mirror. If you want to do me a favour you can let me look at "LANG=C aptitude update" too
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17:21<b0a9>l0ckd0wn: since the problem is with the initramfs, could you compile your own kernel without one?
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17:22<babilen>dodo: Hmm, I don't quite see the problem (apart from the fact that you want "contrib non-free" for wheezy/updates too, but that is unrelated)
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17:22<babilen>dodo: Could you try a different mirror, say, or
17:22<dodo>i will
17:22<SynrG>babilen: don't know if it's related, but i can't get a good wheezy update
17:23<SynrG>Hash sum mismatch all the time
17:23<SynrG>four different mirrors
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17:23<dodo>me too... sometimes i get hash errors in this mirror
17:23<b0a9>that is expected when mirrors update
17:23<b0a9>does it happen with every mirror?
17:24<SynrG>yeah. on my fifth mirror now ...
17:24<nyov>SynrG: really? someone else just complained about that earlier
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17:24<babilen>SynrG: So the mirrors are borked? I'll try -- one second
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17:24<nyov>looks like another mirror problem then, maybe related to the 6.0.2 push
17:24<SynrG>yeah. five tried. five failed.
17:25<nyov>s/push/release today/
17:25<babilen>works fine here (amd64,
17:25<babilen>nyov: That might very well be the case
17:25<babilen>dodo: Could you try, and ?
17:25<nyov>had no problems either, but didn't try upgrading yet. also using my own mirror
17:26<babilen>nyov: I've just upgraded. No problem at all.
17:26<b0a9>i know kernel developers are putting in a lot of effort to make sure 3.0 version number doesn't break retarded software
17:26<dodo> looks that is ok (no hash errors), i can't see python-dev
17:27<nyov>babilen: using apt-get? i heard the problem was with aptitude only, in that other case
17:27<babilen>nyov: No, with aptitude
17:27<nyov>ok then, no idea
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17:27<babilen>dodo: Let me take a look at the package file on those mirrors, one sec please
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17:28<nyov>SynrG: maybe a local problem with your cache?
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17:28<Yossarian>hi guys, i've just upgraded to wheezy and now i can't authenticate in gdmsetup. gives me this: (gdmsetup:4420): polkitgtk-WARNING **: Error obtaining authorization for action id `org.gnome.displaymanager.settings.set': GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
17:30<SynrG>nyov: for every single file? after i toasted all the partial/ ones?
17:30<babilen>dodo: Hmm, it is there -- In any case: You can also try to install "python2.6-dev" as python-dev is merely meant to pull that.
17:30<SynrG>multiple times?
17:30<SynrG>with different mirrors i've never used before?
17:31<dodo>babilen: lol... can't
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17:32<dodo>as with python-dev, python2.6-dev seems to not be there
17:33<babilen>dodo: I am honestly not sure what you experience there -- Could you run "grep -e "Package: python-dev" /var/lib/apt/lists/*wheezy*Packages" and "ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/" please?
17:33<SynrG>lots of packages missing for me, too
17:33<SynrG>even when i finally got a mirror that didn't give me a Hash sum mismatch error
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17:33<babilen>I wonder why I do not experience anything like that.
17:33<SynrG>de would take years for me to upgrade from :p trying uk
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17:34<babilen>MAXmark: Take it elsewhere please.
17:34<b0a9>system-config-lvm - i think i've found it! :)
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17:36<nyov>SynrG: maybe your uplink is borked, call your ISP and ask them to stop listening in.... :P joking
17:37<SynrG>never mind. there was a really strange version# of flashplugin-nonfree installed (maybe from experimental?)
17:37<SynrG>with a higher epoch#
17:37<SynrG>i force installed =1:2.8.3
17:37<Yossarian>guys, does anyone have any ideas about my problem? :\
17:38<SynrG>er, well, not 'force' literally. just asked for it by version#
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17:38<MrFrood>Yossarian: try #debian-next
17:38<nyov>Yossarian: have you tried restarting DBus and X already?
17:38<Yossarian>nyov, not sure how to do that
17:38<Yossarian>or what it is, for that matter :))
17:39<nyov>ah, a testing problem
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17:39<nyov>Yossarian: /etc/init.d/dbus restart
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17:40<babilen>dodo: dists_wheezy_main_binary-amd64_Packages.FAILED for and no dists_wheezy_main_binary-amd64_Packages for -- Which "deb" line did you use for
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17:45<Yossarian>someone here advised me to restart dbus
17:45<Yossarian>made my screen go blank - only cursor - and me, not knowing what to do, rebooted
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17:46<nyov>Yossarian: sorry, should have mentioned that takes down X
17:47<Yossarian>np :D
17:47<nyov>Yossarian: but did it help
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17:47<nyov>Yossarian: ok ask #debian-next it's maybe a testing thing
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17:48<Yossarian>ok, thx
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18:20<gruetzkopf>hey. im trying to install etch on sparc, but the netinst only gives me squeeze, eheezy and sid to choose from?
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18:20<Eulenspiegel69>why etch?
18:20<dpkg>Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>.
18:21<gruetzkopf>cause i need ot, cause debian dropped support
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18:22<MrFrood>gruetzkopf: see dpkg's message
18:22<MrFrood>hello x
18:22<Eulenspiegel69>if there is no supported version of Debian for your architecture I advice you to use an operating system that does
18:22<petemc>gruetzkopf: support for what?
18:22<gruetzkopf>sun4m sparcstations
18:22<petemc>im using lenny on sparc64
18:23<x>sorry iḿ a noob
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18:23<gruetzkopf>namely a sparcstation 4
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18:23<Eulenspiegel69>x: what do you want to tell us?
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18:23<MrFrood>x we all have to start somewhere
18:23<gruetzkopf>now i got the f*ing netinst to boot wia RARP+tftp
18:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
18:23<petemc>sunfire v210 here
18:24<gruetzkopf>tat sparcstation is as old as i am!
18:24<nyov>gruetzkopf: you might have to go a different route there and install from the archives. maybe there is a debootstrap way
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18:25<gruetzkopf>i'll try entering as a mirrot
18:26<themill>why not use an etch installer if you want etch?
18:26<MrFrood>!tell x about irc tutorial
18:26<x>are you a debian expert?.
18:26<gruetzkopf>im using etch netinst
18:27<chealer>gruetzkopf: if that was a question...yes
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18:27<themill>gruetzkopf: the etch netinst won't be giving you a choice between squeeze, wheezy and sid.
18:27<chealer>gruetzkopf: really...which ISO did you download?
18:27<x>how can i get this tutorial?
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18:27<Eulenspiegel69>x: there's nothing wrong with noobs, we all were it once. But please don't post stuff like '?', 'hello?' or the like. Just ask what you want to know
18:28<MrFrood>x: we all have bits we know about and some of us try to help
18:28<gruetzkopf>i booted via network...
18:28<themill>!ubuntu-es x
18:28<dpkg>x: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
18:28<MrFrood>x: see the ask message from dpkg
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18:28<themill>gruetzkopf: that's not actually the netinst btw, that's a netboot image.
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18:29<gruetzkopf>a netbooted netinst
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18:29<themill>gruetzkopf: the netinst is an iso image from
18:29<gruetzkopf>THAT image wont mount itself...
18:30<Yossarian>can anyone help me to use mcc to configure autologin?
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18:31<chealer>gruetzkopf: so which netinst did you download?
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18:32<Eulenspiegel69>am I getting this straight? The awsome wm is not in the repos?
18:32<gruetzkopf>fitst i tried the cd themill linked to, that doesnt work cause the installer wont mount the cd
18:32<gruetzkopf>now i booted via a netboot image
18:33<gruetzkopf>thee one i linked to
18:33<Eulenspiegel69>pena: ah, thanks :) with 'e' after 'w'
18:34<Eulenspiegel69>I wish I could write English...
18:34<themill>gruetzkopf: I'd guess the installer not mounting the cd points to other problems at your end. You're going to struggle to find anyone who wants to help you with etch though... perhaps try #debian-sparc
18:35<pena>np :)
18:35<gruetzkopf>they told me to use netbooting cause cd remount is unreliable on sparcs
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18:42<vmassuchetto>my X environment is terribly slow, where should I start to look to find out the problem?
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18:42<amphi>/var/log/Xorg.0.log perhaps
18:43<gruetzkopf>hm, modifying /etc/hosts didnt help
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18:43<gruetzkopf>y u no can enter mirror
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18:47<chealer>vmassuchetto: a process list to verify no process is eating your CPU. which desktop environment do you use?
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18:48<vmassuchetto>amphi, /var/log/Xorg.0.log does not show anything special apart laoding things
18:48<vmassuchetto>chealer, sometimes is firefox, sometimes is X
18:49<vmassuchetto>chealer, it gets more than 100% cpu sometimes
18:49<vmassuchetto>chealer, each
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18:49<amphi>correct driver is being loaded ? (not vesa, for example)
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18:50<vmassuchetto>amphi, nvidia one, i use the nvidia-xconfig configuration xorg.conf file
18:50<amphi>oh, nvidia
18:50*amphi flees
18:50<vmassuchetto>chealer, im under gnome
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18:51<vmassuchetto>amphi, used the `m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source` to build the driver, tried with amd64, i386, both on testing and sid distros
18:51<vmassuchetto>amphi, it all results in a very strange slow behaviour, getting Xorg to consume over 80% of cpu while switching windows on gnome panel
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18:53<nyov>vmassuchetto: a million open tabs , lots of plugins and flash could do this
18:53<nyov>but is it only a problem when running firefox?
18:53<vmassuchetto>nyov, not even using firefox
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18:54<nyov>< vmassuchetto> chealer, sometimes is firefox, sometimes is X
18:54<nyov>sorry i assumed
18:54<vmassuchetto>nyov, firefox get things really bad, but the Xorg cpu consumption happens even without it
18:55<chealer>vmassuchetto: which versions of the nvidia driver did you try?
18:56<vmassuchetto>chealer, 270.41.19
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18:57<nyov>vmassuchetto: have you checked that it's running hardware accelerated?
18:58<vmassuchetto>nyov, you mean the RenderAccel xorg.conf option?
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18:59<vmassuchetto>nyov, I see the nvidia logo while starting X... =/
18:59<nyov>vmassuchetto: ok
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19:00<nyov>are you running compiz or anything exotic?
19:00<nyov>or gnome3?
19:01<vmassuchetto>nyov, no... no special effects
19:01<vmassuchetto>nyov, gdm3...
19:01<vmassuchetto>nyov, gnome2
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19:02<sadvis>funny applets?
19:03<vmassuchetto>sadvis, no compiz, nothing
19:03<nyov>vmassuchetto: would you paste your Xorg.0.log?
19:03<vmassuchetto>nyov, of course
19:03<nyov>vmassuchetto: this should say Yes: glxinfo | grep direct rendering
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19:04<nyov>vmassuchetto: sorry, glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
19:05<vmassuchetto>nyov, that says yes =)
19:05<SABETUDO>hello my friends
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19:05<devil>vmassuchetto: with sid and nvidia, no dice atm
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19:05<gruetzkopf>there a way to enter the debian mirror manually?
19:05<nyov>devil, wait - this is on Sid?
19:05<vmassuchetto>nyov, now it is
19:05<devil>nyov: he saysabove, he tried testing and sid
19:06<vmassuchetto>nyov, i upgraded just to see if could get better
19:06<nyov>vmassuchetto: alright, np
19:06<chealer>vmassuchetto: you could try with unstable's version
19:06<devil>chealer: its borked
19:06<chealer>vmassuchetto: which card model do you have?
19:06<gruetzkopf>in a debian installer netbooted
19:06<devil>only experimental works atm
19:06<Black_Prince> There is some mess right now going in testing/unstable due to multiarch migration
19:08<vmassuchetto>the xorg log:
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19:08<devil>vmassuchetto: your best bet for now is nouveau
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19:08<devil>or nvidia from experimental
19:09<vmassuchetto>chealer, nVidia Corporation G86 [GeForce 8400M GS]
19:09<devil>he is gone
19:10<vmassuchetto>devil, didnt try nouveau
19:11<devil>it might not provide 3d for your card
19:11<vmassuchetto>devil, thats not important
19:12<vmassuchetto>devil, ill try the nvidia on experimental first
19:13<devil>then remove all nvidia related packages (dpkg -l | grep nvidia) and check if xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is installed (dpkg -l |grep nouveau)
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19:14<devil>vmassuchetto: to test on exp, also remove all nvidia relate packages first
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19:15<devil>but if 3d is not important, in the long run you are far better off with nouveau. it just works, where nvidia breaks quite often
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19:24<vmassuchetto>how do i set the bash output to english?
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19:25<TCW>vmassuchetto, see the variables LC_MESSAGES, LC_ALL, LANG, ...
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19:25<TCW>setting them to "C" is equivalent to english
19:25<vmassuchetto>LC_ALL=C did
19:26<TCW>or choose an english locale like en_EN...
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19:27<vmassuchetto>im getting this error here while doing `aptitude install wvdial`
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19:27<vmassuchetto>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libuniconf4.6_4.6.1-2_i386.deb (--unpack):
19:27<dpkg>vmassuchetto: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
19:27<vmassuchetto>trying to overwrite '/etc/uniconf.conf', which is also in package libuniconf4.4 4.4.1-1.1
19:28<TCW>vmassuchetto, but as you may not be american / english... it may be wiser to not use LC_ALL, type in "locale" and you see what LC_ALL affeacts... to only have english (debugging) messages use LC_MESSAGES
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19:28<vmassuchetto>TCW, i just want to set an instance to errors here =)
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19:28<vmassuchetto>TCW, *to paste errors here
19:29<TCW>vmassuchetto, then I guess it does not matter :)
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19:29<TCW>vmassuchetto, and as dpkg already said (it is a bot btw.) that was not the error...
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19:30<TCW>the error "happend" earlier, if in doubt copy the whole apt-get / aptitude output
19:32<vmassuchetto>TCW, please, take a look
19:32<themill>that looks awfully like an error you'd get upgrading from lenny to sid without upgrading to squeeze in between
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19:33<themill>"aptitude install wvdial libuniconf4.4_" should fix it.
19:33<TCW>trying to overwrite '/etc/uniconf.conf', which is also in package libuniconf4.4 4.4.1-1.1 <- vmassuchetto, that is teh error :) And what are you running? testing / sid?
19:34<vmassuchetto>TCW, sid
19:34<vmassuchetto>TCW, humn... nice... but i cant remove libuniconf4.4 either
19:34<TCW>vmassuchetto, then next time... #debian-next :)
19:34<vmassuchetto>TCW, oh... right
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19:35<jorge>i've a queston... can anyone help me?
19:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
19:36<themill>vmassuchetto: you might also like to "reportbug libuniconf4.6" and suggest that the maintainer stick those conflicts back in that he removed in the last upload. Include what you pastebinned in the bug report.
19:36<jorge>i've an wireless driver (USB) and debian doesn't recognize it
19:36<vmassuchetto>themill, thanks
19:36<TCW>jorge, paste the output of lsusb please (use
19:36<jorge>[wireless 150 USB adapter > dlink]
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19:37<TCW>jorge, oh... and the dmesg output after plugging the stick in, please.
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19:40<TCW>jorge, are you sure the stick is / was plugged in?
19:41<TCW>jorge, unplug and replug again, dmesg again
19:41<jorge>TCW ok
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19:41<TCW>but wait 10 seconds before dmesg
19:41<jorge>TCW 1 thing
19:41<gsimmons>jorge: That's your entire lsusb output? Is this a VirtualBox guest?
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19:42<jorge>this is a virtual box because i try do it at debian direct
19:42<jorge>but doesn't work...
19:42<jorge>so i install win and run virtualbox to run debian and test some solutions
19:43<jorge>sry poor english
19:44<TCW>jorge, did you pass-through the USB device to the debian guest?
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19:44<TCW>jorge, no idea about vbox... sorry
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19:45<TCW>but the logs / lsub indicates the device is just not "there"
19:45<shiloh24>sorry i again lost connection
19:45<jorge>i'ill boot with debian direct and enter here in other computer
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19:45<TCW>jorge, that is a good idea :)
19:45<shiloh24>i did a full install, after starting now i only get boot in terminal mode, what do i do to get to gnome?
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19:45<TCW>shiloh24, did you install gnome?
19:46<shiloh24>TCM, doesnt it come with the ISO?
19:46<TCW>and "full" I HOPE you did notz do that... as that would be around 40GB I guess :)
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19:46<shiloh24>TCW, well as in what the net install iso calls a full graphical install
19:46<TCW>shiloh24, first, there is no "M" in my nick... and second, what ISO? There are several...
19:47<TCW>ah, the netinstall iso?
19:47<shiloh24>TCW, my appologies for the M,
19:47<shiloh24>TCW, yessir, the net install iso
19:48<TCW>shiloh24, as teh name suggests, the netinstall fetches the big stuff from the net while installing, they are not on the CD
19:48<TCW>the even
19:48<TCW>shiloh24, how fast is your internet connection? Are there traffic limitations?
19:48<shiloh24>hmm, so i would be best getting the full cd iso then?
19:48<TCW>shiloh24, no
19:48<shiloh24>TCW, nosir, its direct cable modem
19:49<shiloh24>no limitations or restrictions
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19:49<TCW>shiloh24, today with modern internet speeds it does not make sense in general to download whole ISOS (apart from the netinst), apt fetches everything you want directly fro the net... if it is configured right (which it should be)
19:50<shiloh24>TCW, in terminal boot, i did ls and ot seems to have everything, ie home folder, etc installed
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19:50<TCW>shiloh24, run dpkg -l gnome, paste
19:50<shiloh24>i have to boot into that drive
19:51<shiloh24>so it would take a long time, switching IDE cables, etc
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19:51<TCW>shiloh24, oh... ok, take a pencil and paper, make some notes what to do when back in Debian I guess :)
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19:51<shiloh24>setting up a new OS with debian, i can do it, but is there other stuff to check while i have that drive booted
19:51<shiloh24>roger that :-)
19:51<shiloh24>pen and paper aquired
19:52<TCW>shiloh24, you have internet access on the console?
19:52<shiloh24>and ty very much TCW
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19:52<TCW>shiloh24, ok, do you remember what you said during install when the installer asked you about a debian mirror?
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19:53<shiloh24>yes, debian.usa
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19:53<shiloh24>first selection
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19:54<TCW>shiloh24, ok... let's see :) 1.) as root: apt-get install irssi 2.) as user: irssi; in irssi: /server; then: /join #debian; the say: "hello again"
19:55<TCW>s/the say/then say/
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19:57<shiloh24>oks wrote it down, brb
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19:58<shiloh24>ty again TCW
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21:10<yhassan>Hi - I'm having problems downgrading libqtgui4. Both apt-get and aptitude tell me that the version I want to downgrade to doesn't exist, even though it's in the cache
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21:12<yhassan>aptitude install libqtgui4=4:4.7.3-2 gives me the error Unable to find a version "4:4.7.3-2" for the package "libqtgui4"
21:12<TCW>yhassan, apt-get update; apt-cache policy libqtgui4
21:13<yhassan>even though /var/cache/apt/archives/libqtgui4_4%3a4.7.3-2_amd64.deb exists
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21:14<yhassan>TCW: This is the output of apt-cache policy libqtgui4:
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21:14<yhassan> apt-cache policy libqtgui4
21:14<yhassan> Installed: 4:4.7.3-3
21:14<yhassan> Candidate: 4:4.7.3-3
21:14<yhassan> Version table:
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21:15<TCW>yhassan, when it exists in your local cache and not "online" ( may help you then) you can only use dpkg to install it like dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libqtgui4_4%3a4.7.3-2_amd64.deb
21:15<TCW>oh, crap...
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21:16<TCW>yhassan, first time on IRC? ;)
21:16<yhassan>It's been a long time since I've used IRC ;-)
21:16<TCW>yhassan, first rule of everything on IRC, read and understand the topic of a channel! :p
21:17<TCW>yhassan, when it exists in your local cache and not "online" ( may help you then) you can only use dpkg to install it like dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libqtgui4_4%3a4.7.3-2_amd64.deb
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21:18<yhassan>TCW, thanks. So if I can only use dpkg -i, how can I ensure that all the other dependent packages are downgraded from my local cache too?
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21:19<TCW>yhassan, cd var/cache/apt/archives/; dpkg -i pck1.deb pck2.deb ... :)
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21:21<yhassan>TCW, so I have to look at my aptitude log and make sure I choose the right packages to downgrade? Is there any easy way of undoing an aptitude safe-upgrade step?
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21:22<TCW>yhassan, in general DOWNGRADE is not a supported usecase (VERY complex issue from time to time, so for now and maybe for ever, not supported automatically) so... you can write a script that does what you want or do it "by hand"
21:23<yhassan>TCW, thank you for your help :-) I'll give that a go
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21:31<yhassan>TCW, I only had to downgrade 2 packages - it worked! Cheers
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21:32<TCW>yhassan, you're welcome
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21:52<nyov>did we figure out the reason for all these MD5Sum mismatch errors yesterday/today?
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21:53<cafezim>what is the ubuntu off channel?
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21:54<cafezim>I lost it
21:54<nyov>'off' ?
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22:28<shiloh25>hello TCW
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22:31<shiloh25>good evening, fresh deshtop graphic install, it boots into terminal and not gnome, can anyone assist me?
22:35<akerl>shiloh25: Sounds like it's not a graphic install
22:36<shiloh25>aker, well i did see x11 installing, etc, and i did click the graphic install, and selected desktop
22:36<akerl>What happens when you type startx
22:37<shiloh25>i didnt try that, i will one sec
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22:39<shiloh25>aker1, says usr/bin/x not found
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22:39<akerl>Sounds like you don't actually have one installed.
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22:39<akerl>Which gui did you install?
22:40<shiloh25>any suggestions?
22:40<shiloh25>i didnt have a gui options
22:40<shiloh25>i prefer gnome
22:40<akerl>Can you tell me the name of the iso you installed from?
22:40<shiloh25>was firmware netinstall iso
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22:41<shiloh25>im on it now actually
22:41<shiloh25>just no desktop enviornment
22:41<shiloh25>net install image
22:41<shiloh25>from the debian site
22:42<akerl>You're gonna want to install gnome
22:42<vrkalak>or Xfce
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22:43<shiloh25>i prefer gnome
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22:43<shiloh25>i dont know how though, can you assist?
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22:43<shiloh25>sorry im a complete newb to debian itself, ive been using mint
22:45<vrkalak>LMDE = Mint+Debian
22:45<shiloh25>i know, i wasnt using LMDE, just linux mint
22:45<shiloh25>10 julia
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22:46<shiloh25>but im done trying to work around pulse audio, so i went for debian
22:46<shiloh25>learning curve
22:46<shiloh25>so all i have is termonal no gui
22:46<vrkalak>i don't do pulseaudio either
22:46<shiloh25>i need gnome, lol
22:46<shiloh25>im really lost atm, lol
22:47<vrkalak>well, you can install one from the terminal
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22:47<shiloh25>can you assist?
22:47<vrkalak>the 'aptitude' install gnome
22:47<shiloh25>as in apt-get install?
22:48<vrkalak>a basic debian doesn't use apt usually but aptitude
22:48<shiloh25>cool, lemme try, ill brb
22:48<vrkalak>or sudo but use su
22:48<shiloh25>and tyvm
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22:52<shiloh25>aker1, back
22:52<TCW>shiloh25, what went wrong?
22:52<TCW>with irssi and so on...
22:52<shiloh25>hi TCW, no im here in debian, termanal, with the commands you gave me
22:53<shiloh25>in irssi
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22:53<TCW>shiloh25, oh... ok... but it took you a very long time then... I was waiting over half an hour...
22:53<shiloh25>sorry, my isp is being unpleasant today
22:54<TCW>shiloh25, so, first, don't quit irssi... you know you have several virtual consoles?
22:54<shiloh25>no im a newb to this part of linux
22:54<shiloh25>and im in awe
22:54<shiloh25>this is really cool
22:55<shiloh25>ive been on lazy mans mint 10, mint since 1.0 actually
22:55<TCW>shiloh25, hit alt+f1 then alt+f2 and so on until alt+4 and start over from alt+f1... do you notice something?
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22:55<shiloh25>ahhh. cool
22:56<shiloh25>nice, i didnt know this
22:56<TCW>shiloh25, do you know "screen"?
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22:56<shiloh25>no, i see it swithced me to other screens though, if thats what you mean
22:56<shiloh25>as in other terminal logins
22:57<shiloh25>then f1 brought me back
22:57<TCW> <. how do I get rid of hda? There was AGES ago hda, now the system is only sata... I don't see where hda could be still referenced...
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22:58<TCW>shiloh25, "screen" is a tool as in /usr/bin/screen... you can have virtual consoles with that tool too...
22:58<TCW>shiloh25, do you use ssh sometimes?
22:59<shiloh25>i have acessing servers for work yes
22:59<shiloh25>and workstation plc's
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23:00<TCW>shiloh25, so... if you ssh into one server, you only have ONE terminal there, right? YOu can make another ssh connection... but you couild also use screen... then you have in one session several terminals / consoles... but... you can test it later I guess, it's really cool and we all love it :)
23:01<TCW>now, time for gnome?
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23:01<shiloh25>oks so i made the right choice comming to debian
23:01<TCW>if you want to learn a bit more than clicking with the mouse, then yes, I guess debian fits better :)
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23:02<shiloh25>i wanna learn it all actually
23:02<shiloh25>i like mouse clicking, and i like to use terminal allot
23:02<shiloh25>and find myself terminal typing more so than clicking
23:02<TCW>shiloh25, so, as root: aptitude install gnome; then say "y" sit back and watch, have a nice chat here and look every now and then in that root console to see if it is finished or had some errors...
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23:03<TCW>if your system is set up "right" all should go well... if not, I guess an error will face rather sonner than later ;)
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23:04<shiloh25>oks its done
23:04<shiloh25>says it was all there
23:05<TCW>shiloh25, oh... interesting.... then aptitude install pastebinit
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23:08<shiloh25>TCW, done
23:08<TCW>shiloh25, then as user: dpkg -l|grep xorg| pastebinit -i - -b -a shiloh25
23:09<TCW>shiloh25, if typed right, it will return an URL, the numbers at the back will be enough, but we need the URL :)
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23:10<TCW>shiloh25, or as user: man pastebinit; and see if you can figure the syntax out by yourself :)
23:13<shiloh25>said unknown option -1
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23:13<TCW>shiloh25, there was no "-1" in my syntax
23:13<akerl>shiloh25: Who said 1?
23:13<shiloh25>omg thats an l
23:13<TCW>shiloh25, lowercase...
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23:14<TCW>dirty display-screen? ;)
23:16<shiloh25>says "you are trying to send an empty document"
23:16<TCW>shiloh25, then you do something wrong :)
23:16<TCW>shiloh25, see what I wrote and read EVERY single letter / symbol
23:17<TCW>do tyke special care with the "pipe"-symbol "|"
23:17<TCW>take even
23:17<TCW>that isn't a "1" or "i" either ;)
23:18<shiloh25>yessir double checking
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23:18<TCW>shiloh25, oh... but then again... maybe what you got back from dpkg IS empty... so just test it with the same, but don't use "xorg" use "image" as search pattern
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23:19<lotus-blade>installed newest nvidia driver and now I can only get 640x480 res
23:19<TCW>shiloh25, you know of the command history and how to edit previews commands to save a lot of typing?
23:19<TCW>previous even
23:20<vmassuchetto>i had a problem with my desktop environment being so slow due to the nvidia driver
23:20<shiloh25>TCM, yes i do
23:20<TCW>shiloh25, still... no "M" in my nick :p
23:20<vmassuchetto>i managed to solve it by installing only `nvidia-glx` package on debian testing
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23:20<shiloh25>damn, lol, sorry TCW
23:20<shiloh25>and ty :-)
23:20<TCW>shiloh25, you know of nick-completion with the tab key?
23:21<shiloh25>TCW: ahh
23:21<shiloh25>TCW: i do now
23:21<vmassuchetto>but sometimes, after some usage, I still get 80-100% of cpu for Xorg
23:21<shiloh25>TCW: cool
23:21<vmassuchetto>it seems some apps can "activate" the Xorg greediness
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23:23<lotus-blade>so is the recomendation to ditch the manufacturer's driver and go with something else?
23:24<shiloh25>TCW: 121014
23:24<TCW>shiloh25, ok... so the command was right, you just have no X installed.... strange
23:25<shiloh25>well tbh this is a good way to learn
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23:26<TCW>shiloh25, so as root: tasksel install gnome-desktop --ne-install
23:26<lotus-blade>vmassuchetto: is there a doc for that? I need to get rid of the manufacturer's driver. it is slowing me down and has massive res problems
23:27<TCW>lotyou mean nv / nouveau?
23:27<TCW>lotus-blade, even
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23:28<lotus-blade>nouveau didn't support my card fully. 3d rendering problems
23:28<lotus-blade>i'ld go back to it if I had to
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23:29<lotus-blade>nvidia did something to diable it and I am not sure what it did
23:29<diego>Hi, I did a dist-upgrade and it got 2.6.39-pae kernel
23:29<diego>and nvidia drivers stopped working
23:29<diego>so I booted back in 2.6.38 ... cause I could not fix the nvidia driver
23:29<diego>any help ?
23:30<diego>can anyone run 2.6.39-pae with nvidia propietary drivers?
23:30<TCW>diI can
23:30<TCW>diego, I can
23:30<diego>TCW: I even tried downloading the drivers from
23:30<diego>but it gives a sigterm
23:30<diego>and I cannot compile it
23:30<diego>what did you do ?
23:31<TCW>diego, that's what I use right now... as nvidia is broken in sid
23:31<diego>I dont use sid, I use testing
23:31<shiloh25>TCW: unknown option ne-install
23:31<TCW>diego, afaik it should not be broken on testing...
23:31<diego>and I cannot compile from the web drivers because the installer from nvidia gives a SIGTERM
23:31<TCW>shiloh25, oops... --new-install
23:32<diego>TCW: well, it is ;)
23:32<TCW>diego, sh -Nns and paste the output
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23:32<shiloh25>installing packages :P
23:33<TCW>but keep in mind, the package from nvidia is not supported here... in general ;)
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23:33<TCW>shiloh25, fine :) say "beep" when it is finished doing so :)
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23:33<shiloh25>TCW: this is interesting
23:34<TCW>shiloh25, why / what?
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23:35<sney>isn't the error with nvidia in testing/sid caused by multiarch, and can't you fix it with a symlink?
23:35<shiloh25>this interphase, i like it, i take it there is alot more i can do via terminal base system without even jumping into gnome
23:35<TCW>shiloh25, of course you can....
23:35<TCW>sney, so testing is affected as well?!
23:35<shiloh25>i see allot of reading in my future
23:36<sney>TCW: I haven't checked yet, but multiarch has rolled down the hill and with it presumably any errors it causes until the rest is fixed
23:36<TCW>sney, hmmm...
23:38<lotus-blade>had nothing but prob with nvidia in all os
23:38<TCW>I don't :)
23:39<TCW>sney, btw. do you have an idea where to look for any remains of "hda" on thet system?
23:40<TCW>that even
23:40<TCW>it had hda ages ago, but nowadays the system has only sata drives
23:40<shiloh25>TCW: 17 mins, ine bad command listed "man" pages, so i m looking into this
23:40<TCW>shiloh25, pardon?
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23:41<shiloh25>TCW: "man" pages, as in one time i typed what you typed incorrectly, and it gave a "type _man page" etc
23:42<TCW>shiloh25, ah, ok :)
23:43<shiloh25>TCW: tyvm for this assistance
23:43<TCW>shiloh25, np
23:44<sney>TCW: if the disk is still there it's probably just been given a sd* name thanks to libata changes
23:44<sney>you should be able to fdisk -l and just find it by size
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23:44<TCW>sney, it should not, and fdisk -l does not show it either
23:45<sney>does it still show at POST?
23:45<shiloh25>TCW: the mirror i dl'd from was
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23:47<TCW>Disk /dev/sda: 250.1 GB; Disk /dev/sdb: 250.1 GB; Disk /dev/md0: 13.2 GB; Disk /dev/md1: 328 MB; Disk /dev/sdc: 2000.4 GB; Disk /dev/sdd: 1999.3 GB <- sney, no "hda"... and afaik as I did change the hardware the ata disk was thrown out. SO in thyt hardware this old disk never was... but afair ;)
23:48<TCW>oh, and hda was an old 13gb drive
23:48<sney>oh so the disk isn't physically there. ok
23:48<sney>not sure what you want, then
23:49<TCW>sney, and the box is remote, far far away, so I can't check POST... but last time I checked in the BIOS (a couple of hours ago)... huh... now as you say it... omfg...
23:50<TCW>there was an entry that puzzled me.... it may be that hda is in that box after all *scratches head*
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23:51<sney>that /dev/md0 looks to be the right size
23:51<sney>lshal might give some clues too
23:52<k1lumin4t1>hi there. I'm using Debian Sid AMD64, with Linux 2.6.39 and Gnome 2 on a AMD Phenom II X6 PC. I have set up everything under Power Management and Screensaver settings in order to have the PC keep the image on on the monitors (I have two monitors on a Twinview setup with an NVIDIA chipset), but it always keeps shutting them off, well not exactly shutting off but making them go blank, as though it were doing some powersaving or running the screensaver
23:52<TCW>sney, yes... that was a single IDE disk to raid1 migration...
23:52<dpkg>( The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! )
23:52<sney>k1lumin4t1: sid support goes to #debian-nex
23:52<sney>er #debian-next
23:53<TCW>sney, shoudl "hda" be written as that in lshal?
23:54<sney>because of libata changes, nothing has hd* names anymore, not even actual ide drives. but it may tell you what controller it's connected to
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23:56<TCW>ah, I see
23:57<TCW>sney, but why das update.initramfs somehow "provoke" the appearance of hda?
23:57<sney>good question
23:57<sney>maybe there's something left in a config file that you forgot about
23:58<TCW>sney, I did grep recursivly /boot and /etc
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