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00:00<susa>ZykoticK9, yeah i currently have a 256mb usb drive with the netinst on it, much more appropriate size lol
00:00<Dreakon>Could someone help me please? For some reason, certain button combinations are opening up this annoying xterm window. I can't make capital p's because Shift + p is one of the random button combinations lol.
00:00<Dreakon>It might have something to do with xbindkeys that I just installed, I don't know how though. I never set it to do that.
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00:01<itzurabhi>ZykoticK9:is it possible to point the bootloader to boot from an iso image?
00:01<ZykoticK9>itzurabhi, i know that Grub2 can certainly boot ISO images (i've never done it though)
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00:03<koljan>ZykoticK9, what do you want to do?
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00:04<ZykoticK9>koljan, "I" don't want to do anything ;) susa wants to use a single SD card for multiple installer images (or something along those lines)
00:05<itzurabhi>can i boot for example from a usb drive and select the iso that i wish to boot further,like ubuntu(live) or mint(live)
00:05<ZykoticK9>itzurabhi, if you have Grub on the USB drive - it "should" be possible, yes.
00:05<koljan>ZykoticK9, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en ??
00:05<ZykoticK9>koljan, looks like itzurabhi want to do something along the same lines ;)
00:06<susa>ZykoticK9, koljan I want to place a netinst debian installer and a tails live image onto the same sd card but the methods of install use either dd or cat
00:07<ZykoticK9>susa, see the link (4.3.3) that koljan just posted!
00:07<ZykoticK9>susa, and let me wish you "Good luck" ;)
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00:07<Dreakon>Could someone help me please? For some reason, certain button combinations are opening up this annoying xterm window. I can't make capital p's because Shift + p is one of the random button combinations lol.
00:07<Dreakon>It might have something to do with xbindkeys that I just installed, I don't know how though. I never set it to do that.
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00:11<itzurabhi>ZykoticK9,susa:http://michael-prokop.at/blog/2009/05/25/boot-an-iso-via-grub2/
00:12<itzurabhi>Dreakon:yes ur problem is xbindkeys
00:13<ZykoticK9>itzurabhi, thanks for the link. looks like my grub2 can boot isos was technically incorrect ;)
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00:13<Dreakon>itzurabhi, thank you for the reply. fiddling around a bit I figured it out.
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00:16<itzurabhi>ZykoticK9:what abt the initrd mentioned in there? should it be copied from the iso ?
00:16<ZykoticK9>itzurabhi, sorry - i have NO idea
00:17<ZykoticK9>itzurabhi, as i said "i've never done it though"
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00:17<itzurabhi>mayb the fist line mounts the iso as /
00:18<cafenet>does anyone know wat happend to debian server for DVDs?
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00:19<itzurabhi>cafenet:couldn't catch ur question..
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00:23<cafenet>yesterday i was downloading debian dvd-iso and cancelled it to dl it later but now i want to dl it there is no iso
00:24<itzurabhi>cafenet:which downloader did u use?
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00:25<cafenet>wget :D
00:25<amitz>just find another mirror
00:25<cafenet>i dont c a link or no mirror for i386
00:25<itzurabhi>cafenet:is ur partially downloaded file missing?
00:26<cafenet>no i cant find a DVD.iso on the website to download
00:26<cafenet>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/i386/iso-dvd/ here
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00:27<itzurabhi>cafenet:use any mirror,be sure to download the same iso ,using wget -c isoname.iso
00:27<cafenet>i know that laready but there is no mirror for dvd 1386 :((
00:27<cafenet>i386
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00:29<cafenet>now it gives me 404 error on the site
00:29<koljan>http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian-cd/6.0.1a/i386/iso-dvd/debian-6.0.1a-i386-DVD-1.iso
00:29<koljan>)
00:30<koljan>oO
00:30<koljan>hm .. 404
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00:33<itzurabhi>http://debian.mirror.iweb.ca/debian-cd/6.0.1a/
00:33<koljan>problems not only with dvd, cd does not work too
00:33<koljan>The requested URL /debian-cd/6.0.1a/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.1a-i386-CD-1.iso was not found on this server.
00:33<koljan>(
00:34<cafenet>dude its as koljan said
00:35<koljan>all!!
00:35<koljan>:((((((((((
00:35<cafenet>http://debian.mirror.iweb.ca/debian-cd/6.0.1a/ this link works
00:35<cafenet>tanx itzurabhi
00:35<itzurabhi>cafenet:its ok
00:35<koljan>oO
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00:36<amitz>fwiw, debian is now at 6.02
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00:37<cafenet>u know after i tried ubuntu 11.04 i decided to go on new linux and fedora 15 was on my mind for its gnome 3 but i saw debian support to change my mind
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00:39<koljan>cafenet, netinstall is better
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00:39<cafenet>well our internet connection is so low so i wouldnt recommend it
00:39<cafenet>our(iran)
00:40<itzurabhi>koljan:is it possible to backup netinstall- downloaded files for installing on multiple systems?
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00:42<koljan>hm .. i dont know :(
00:42<ZykoticK9>itzurabhi, AFTER you have installed base, just backup/copy /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb to the other machines
00:42<ZykoticK9>itzurabhi, only applies to the stuff AFTER base
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00:43<george_>does gnuchess allow me to play on FICS?
00:43<itzurabhi>whats the size of base (dowload size)?
00:44<ZykoticK9>itzurabhi, today my base installs where close to 800MB i think
00:44<george_>how can I play on FICS using a client?
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00:44<itzurabhi>george_:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1081365
00:45<itzurabhi>george_:i dont know for sure,i just googled it
00:45<george_>itzurabhi, yeah, the weird thing is GNUchess has a network option
00:46<koljan>ZykoticK9, how do you do if there are no partitions and etc ?
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00:47<ZykoticK9>koljan, for the base install you CAN'T - AFTER base anything else you could
00:47<koljan>ok))
00:48<ZykoticK9>koljan, i typically netinstall base, reboot, scp my apt/archive, then aptitude install (with everything already downloaded)
00:49<koljan>i afraid, all downloaded files is del after install
00:49<sney>I would just download cd1
00:49<sney>then you have all the files.
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00:49<sney>even if it takes a long time
00:50<ZykoticK9>sney, i much prefer gnome-desktop-environment to just gnome ;)
00:50<sney>ZykoticK9: yeah, but you probably have a decent connection
00:51<ZykoticK9>true - well "decent" only
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01:02<koljan>bb
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01:05<itzurabhi>any suggestions in particular while compiling linux kernel for AMD X6 1100t for debian ?
01:06<sney>yes, just use the stock one, you're probably not going to see any improvement
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01:09<itzurabhi>sney:wht abt the low latency desktop?
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01:10<sney>in real world uses, you will notice no difference unless you are specifically looking for it
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01:12<itzurabhi>sney,can the stock kernel utilize the power of 6 cores?
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01:30<ScRp_88>hola
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01:35<itzurabhi>can the stock kernel utilize the power of 6 cores?
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01:48<frank_>Hi just set up a system using squeeze with dhcp behind my server, when I change to use pppoe the interface comes up and ifconfig and ip addr show connection and ip of host etc but unable to connect to it fron inside or from the internet, it appears to be an isolated interface from the system
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01:55<kop>frank_: You need to turn on forwarding. man sysctl man sysctl.conf
01:56<kop>frank_: See also the reference guide.
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01:57<jankidudel>hi, I can't update my system, "Unable to get exclusive lock"
01:57<ZykoticK9>jankidudel, are you root or using sudo?
01:58<jankidudel>ZykoticK9, root
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01:58<kop>jankidudel: Some other terminal is using apt (like you have synaptic open and are also trying to do something in a terminal, etc.)
01:58<jankidudel>kop, I just restarted my system, nothing is opened
01:59<kop>jankidudel: Nothing automatically running from cron?
02:00<jankidudel>kop, how to check ? ps -ax ?
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02:01<kop>jankidudel: yes. Or lsof, if you knew what file the lock was on.
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02:03<jankidudel>can I make this without any loss of my system ? sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
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02:07<kusanagi>jankidudel, lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock will tell you what process is using the lock
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02:17<frank_>kop: had it working fine thru dhcp have changed the shorewall settings and network interface but no joy. Am beside myself i tried this on another box and the same result my next effort would be to do a net install on pppoe and rebuild the system.
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02:44<stoniestfool>hello all
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02:45<patrykr>hey
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02:45<stoniestfool>how are ya'll doing today?
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02:46<stoniestfool>i was wondering if i may have some advice on setting up my sound?
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02:47<loboxxx>hello
02:47<itzurabhi>stoniestfool,your soundcard details?
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02:48<patrykr>I have problem with postfix. When I'd try to send an email, the message has hold in queue. In mail.log I have an error connect to mail.domain.com[/var/run/dspam.sock]: No such file or directory
02:49<stoniestfool>i'm on a ps3 running debian6 gnome3 and have installed alsa-base and have the ps3.conf which i believe is the module although i am pretty new to linux in general
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02:51<itzurabhi>stoniestfool,whats the output of alsaconfig
02:53<itzurabhi>stoniestfool,sorry alsaconf
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02:55<stoniestfool>those 2 do not work but alsactl init says 1743 no sound card detected
02:56<stoniestfool>i saw a tut referre to /etc/asound and/proc/asound/cards i do not have these folders
02:56<itzurabhi>http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA
02:56<itzurabhi>install all necessary packages mentioned in there
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02:57<itzurabhi>alsaconf should work
02:57<gsimmons>itzurabhi: There is no alsaconf as of Debian Squeeze/6.0.
02:57<Torsten_W>there is no alsaconf in squeeze
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02:59<stoniestfool>i tried following that tut but do not have an asound dir in my proc directory?
02:59<itzurabhi>Torsten_W:then how can we knw the details of sound card in squeeze?
03:00<stoniestfool>sry i missed that i'll install them now
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03:03<Torsten_W>itzurabhi, lspci | greo -i audio; cat /proc/sasound/cards
03:04<Torsten_W>*grep
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03:04<Torsten_W>and if there is no /proc/asound, the card is not initialized
03:04<randall>wow
03:04<randall>there are a lot more people in here than I imagined there would be
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03:05<nevyn>most are just idling.
03:06<randall>but of course
03:06<itzurabhi>how to manually initialize the soundcard?
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03:11<nevyn>itzurabhi: modprobe <kernel module> but I suspect that's not what you mean by initialise
03:12<itzurabhi>what if the sound card isn't listed in /proc/asound/cards ?
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03:20<XeonBloomfield>itzurabhi: lspci | grep Audio
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03:23<stoniestfool>i installed all the pkg and still do not have a directory asound in proc
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03:25<stoniestfool>i do have etc/alsa/cards which i have ps3.conf file in
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03:29<korisnik>www.google.com
03:29<stoniestfool>i heard something about modprobe.d snd_ps3 or something like that b4 but have no idea how to do it?
03:29<korisnik>www.google.com
03:30<stoniestfool>i have googled about 5 tuts all referring to folders i don't have
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03:31<stoniestfool>is there anything in /proc/asound or could i just make the directorys?
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03:33<itzurabhi>what debian vesion do u have?
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03:36<stoniestfool>6.0 squezze when i lspci it said can't find working access method btw thanks for helping i appricate that
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03:40<stoniestfool>and i modprobe snd_ps3 it said module not found
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03:55<clement>hi there !
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03:56<clement>i'm wo
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04:00<clement>i'm wondering: why under windows, truecrypt can encrypt the entire hard drive (except just the mbr) but under linux we need to keep the entire boot partition unencrypted (and in this case, a keylogger can be placed in these files) ?
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04:05<clement>is there any software to encrypt an entire hard drive, without left thr /boot partition (juste keep the original mbr unencrypter
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04:05<clement>like truecrypt under win
04:05<Zaba>I seriously doubt that it does that
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04:06<Zaba>unless you can fit both a bootloader stage and some good decryption code into 440 bytes
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04:07<clement>Ha, oops then, i said a mistake...
04:07<wintellect>Mornin all
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04:09<clement>hi wintellect
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04:10<sml>morning
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04:11<komodiemo>hi
04:13<sml>got a question about backups. i want to make some backups on a remote box using dump. dump needs to run as root. now i want to automatically get the backups OFF that box to a local one. my problem is how do I accomplish this without having to put login details on teh remote (possibly untrusted) box so it can login and do it? i.e. how would I pull? the problem with this is that the script running remotely runs as root so I also don
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04:19<meebey>sml: use ssh keys for auth, username is then sufficient
04:19<meebey>asuming that you use something over ssh, say scp or rsync
04:19<sml>meebey: problem with that is I then have to have an id_dsa (private key) on a remote box, something i wanna avoid if poss :-S
04:20<meebey>so? generate for each one a key, they are not lmited
04:20<sml>meebey: that is a very good idea :)
04:20<meebey>you need some kind of token, else everyone can do the transfer ;)
04:20<sml>but the only prolem is for each private key i would ned to upload the public key each time..
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04:21<meebey>not each time, once per system
04:21<sml>unless you can use sub-keys with ssh ?
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04:21<meebey>no you cant, its not pgp
04:21<sml>meebey: already create private keys one per system. one for my mac one for my pc one for my iphone etc
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04:22<sml>but i dont really want to allow teh public box to make a connection to one of my servers. would rather pull
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04:22<sml>is there a way of connecting using ssh on the client and running dump remotely and passing back output to the ssh client side?
04:22<meebey>so create a backup ssh key and distribute that one once
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04:22<Mumin>Hi
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04:23<sml>meebey: these are for regulae backups. so need to leave the key active
04:23<meebey>sml: using pipes that could work, but never tried that
04:23<Mumin>Anyone online?
04:23<Mumin>Oh hey
04:23<Tnud>I think... I've done something stupid. I typed "mv world.tar /world" <- WHAT did I do?! I can't find my file anymore
04:23<Mumin>Quick question
04:23<sml>Tnud: it's proabably now called world under /
04:23<Mumin>So I bought a Debian VPS from 1&1 internet. I've really never used linux before so I dont know what I'm doing. :D Haha
04:23<Mumin>So, my problem is, this VPS came with only SSH access, meaning I can access only a command line (No GUI) through PuTTY.
04:23<Mumin>So after I install KDE:
04:23<Mumin>yum groupinstall "X Window System" "KDE (K Desktop Environment)"
04:23<Mumin>How do I access it through RDP or any other remote desktop software. Please posts either a specific guide or a video. Dont just tell me to install <whatever> through <whatever> then do <whatever>, because I wont have any idea what you're talking about.
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04:24<Mumin>So I bought a Debian VPS from 1&1 internet. I've really never used linux before so I dont know what I'm doing. :D Haha
04:24<Mumin>My problem is, this VPS came with only SSH access, meaning I can access only a command line (No GUI) through PuTTY.
04:24<Mumin>So after I install KDE:
04:24<Mumin>yum groupinstall "X Window System" "KDE (K Desktop Environment)"
04:24<Mumin>How do I access it through RDP or any other remote desktop software. Please posts either a specific guide or a video. Dont just tell me to install <whatever> through <whatever> then do <whatever>, because I wont have any idea what you're talking about.
04:24*meebey doesn't read copy/paste questions
04:24<sml>Mumin: if you want to run X on a remote box you will need a locally running X server
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04:24<Tnud>Thanks sml! I was afraid I'd lost it :P
04:25<themill>Mumin: debian doesn't use yum...
04:25<sml>Tnud: no problem :) we've all been there ;-) in fact I'm still not far from those days :)
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04:25<Mumin>Or is it CentOS?
04:25<Mumin>Im a linux newb
04:25<Mumin>>.>
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04:25<Tnud>^^
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04:25<sml>Mumin: if it's CentOS it's off topic here ;-)
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04:25<Mumin>I really dont know
04:25<Mumin>lmao
04:26<sml>Mumin: are you able to ssh in to it?
04:26<Mumin>Well, can you point me in the right direction
04:26<Mumin>yes
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04:26<sml>Mumin: cat /etc/debian_version
04:26<Mumin>one sec
04:27<meebey>lsb_release -d is the better command btw
04:27<meebey>that will also unreveil ubuntu systems :)
04:27<Mumin>I believe its CentOS
04:27<sml>Mumin: well you're going to want some kind of VNC product but you'll have to ask in teh CentOS chat rooms
04:27<meebey>and you are on #debian
04:27<sml>or channels , before someone complains ;-)
04:27<Mumin>Alright
04:28<Mumin>Well, im sorry
04:28<sml>Mumin: but just use Google to search for Centos + VNC
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04:28<Mumin><<<<<< Completely new to linux
04:28<Mumin>Alright, thank you sml
04:28<sml>Mumin: If you're new to Linux I'd recommend NOT using CentOS. Try Ubuntu
04:28<sml>Or Debian of course!!!
04:29<Mumin>The reason Im using CentOS is because I heard it was more stable than other dists.
04:29<Mumin>In the sense that I want to use it in
04:29<sml>Mumin: it is. but because it's mainly used by enterprises LOL
04:29<clock_>Mumin, I think Ubuntu is a good recommendation, but for example I couldn't make scanner work properly under Ubuntu and it works just out of the bx in Debian
04:29<sml>Mumin: do you have a rack of servers that need 24/7 uptime ?
04:29<Mumin>Yes
04:29<clock_>Mumin, so maybe Debian could be better that Ubuntu
04:30<sml>Mumin: Then you want Debian not ubuntu. Debian is VERY VERY stable and is probably simpler to use than CentOS. All distros have their pros and cons. CentOS is VERY good but if you're a newbie I think you'll get further faster with Debian
04:31<Mumin>Thats a great recommendation, Ill go ahead and reimage my VPS to debian
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04:32<sml>Mumin: why do you need to get a VPS from your ISP? surely you could play about with it on a laptop via a live CD or Virtual Box ?
04:32<Mumin>Im just so used to windows that Ive become dependant on a GUI interface
04:32<sml>Mumin: you could then try a few out before making your choice.
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04:32<Mumin>I do have CentOS on my laptop
04:32<Mumin>it actually just finished installing
04:32<Mumin>Im eventually turning it into a game server
04:33<Mumin>after I get the hang of it
04:33<Mumin>its really cheap to host
04:33<Mumin>AlienVPS.com
04:33<sml>Mumin: there are some very good GUIs for Debian. Though personally I seldom have need of them
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04:33<Mumin>:)
04:33<Mumin>I need to play with the command line more
04:33<sml>well Mumin go play with Debian see how you get on :)
04:33<d12>Hello guys. I've added debian-multimedia to my sources.list and a pin with priority to preferences to disable auto-installation of d-m packages. How to install mplayer from d-m now?
04:34<Mumin>I definately will
04:34<Mumin>thanks Sml
04:34<Mumin>:)
04:34<sml>Mumin: you're welcome
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04:35<themill>d12: "aptitude install package=version" will do it; if you also need other libraries from that repo, then add them in the same way
04:35<sml>meebey: I managed to just scp the files off the box. if i do it as two seperate processes it works. dump locally on remote box. scp afterwards from client.
04:36<d12>themill: I don't know the version to install, is there a way like -t?
04:36<themill>d12: apt-cache policy packagename.
04:36*sml wonders if there is a way to use curl to access dropbox
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04:45<shanet>Hey guys, I am trying to do a linux deployment, so I can essentially install Debian, install and remove hardware and configure it and then almost take a snapshot of the system, however I need to be able to change things like the system name and user passwords on install. I am thinking, when a customer needs a web server, I just need to install my custom disc, change it to their liking during install then plonk the web data in the appropriate directory. Doe
04:45<shanet>s anyone know of any such software?
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04:47<shanet>I will be right back.
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04:50<shanet>I am back
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04:52<nyov>shanet: check out FAI, d-i (debian installer), puppet, cfengine... they all somehow do what you want in different ways
04:53<shanet>nyov: Thanks
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05:34<lindi-_>does debian have a python library for accessing the process list on gnu/linux? with google I found PSI and psutils but neither is in debian
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05:37<babilen>lindi-_: psutils is in Debian AFAIK
05:37<babilen>,versions python-psutil
05:37<judd>Package python-psutil on i386 -- squeeze: 0.1.3-1; sid: 0.2.1-1+b1; wheezy: 0.2.1-1+b1
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05:37<babilen>lindi-_: And it is actually pretty nice :)
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05:38<lindi-_>babilen: 'psutils - A collection of PostScript document handling utilities
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05:39<lindi-_>babilen: ah, _psutil_
05:39<lindi-_>babilen: not utils
05:39<lindi-_>babilen: thanks!
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05:43<babilen>lindi-_: No problem -- I've just used it some days ago, so you asked at the right time
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06:09<dinesh>hi this room is for
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06:10<devil>as the topic says: debian
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06:11<devil>i.e. technical support
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06:55<lindi-_>babilen: it was very useful for writing http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631925 :-)
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07:01<marco_>ciao
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07:02<lancelot_of>hi all
07:02<bittin>hi
07:02<Daemon>hi
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07:12<babilen>lindi-_: great! interesting observation and great bug report
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07:15<lindi-_>babilen: thanks. I really think too many people are just repeating "linux is secure" and not really thinking about these issues
07:15<babilen>indeed
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07:17<lindi-_>babilen: a lot older similar issue: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474024
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07:37<lancelot_of>it's quite tedious what happens on my machine.if i leave the system unactive for more than 10-15 minutes the X session crashes and reloads on gdm login window. it's really annoying 'cause often i've to leave some processes running (simulations) while i'm doing other things. Any suggestions?Is it a known xorg/whatever bug?
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07:41<lindi-_>lancelot_of: do you see anything in the end of the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old about crashing?
07:41<lindi-_>lancelot_of: just copy and paste it to http://paste.debian.net/ for example
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07:53<DonCarlos>hi, I can't see any bugreport for the www.debian.org itself, and the 404 is not too informative.. on the http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/index.en.html#stable page, the Official CD/DVD images of the "stable" release is dead. AFAIK this error caused by the new images (Jun 26), maybe it was better to use a "current"-like bunch of symlinks, I don't know... just wanted to give this message for a responsive person
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07:54<lindi-_>confirmed
07:54<abrotman>DonCarlos: they probably know .. it happens pretty much every time they have a point release
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07:55<abrotman>DonCarlos: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/
07:55<DonCarlos>abrotman oh, ok; yes I found that;
07:55<abrotman>oh okay
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07:56<Black_Prince>6.0.2.1? What was wrong with 6.0.2?
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07:56<DonCarlos>hmm, good question, where is the changelog?:)
07:56<lindi-_>the rootkit was not hidden well enough :)
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07:57<DonCarlos>lol
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07:58<Black_Prince>http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/ChangeLog
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08:00<DonCarlos>hmm, that really a minor change; good to see that Linus is not a debian versioner, it should be 10.0.0 ;)
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08:00<abrotman>i believe they have to do all the generation again ..
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08:02<Black_Prince>abrotman: so there will be 6.0.2.2?
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08:03<abrotman>hopefully not
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08:04<Black_Prince>I was about downloading netinst ... If it is not ready yet, I'll wait
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08:06<CaBa>hi
08:07<bomyr>hi
08:07<CaBa>i'm looking for a working netinst image for amd64, doesn't have to be the latest, but right now i dont find any valid image
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08:08<bomyr>i'm sorry i'm a beginner in this OS
08:08<abrotman>CaBa: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-netinst.iso
08:08<CaBa>abrotman: that doesnt have the right checksum after downloading
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08:09<abrotman>let me try .. give me a few
08:09<Black_Prince>Something wrong with netinst 6.0.2.1 torrent -> [14:06:38] rejected by tracker - Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker.
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08:10<bomyr>me i have a problem with my os. since i migrated to ubuntu 11.4 i can't install new software
08:10<abrotman>bomyr: please use #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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08:10<bomyr>that's the msg
08:10<Black_Prince>!otherserver bomyr #ubuntu irc.freenode.net
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08:11<abrotman>i think it's otherirc ?
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08:11<abrotman>Black_Prince: yeah, i noticed that ..
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08:11<bomyr>'E:Encountered a section with no Package: header, E:Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_main_binary-i386_Packages, E:Les listes de paquets ou le fichier « status » ne peuvent être analysés ou lus
08:11<bomyr>ok thanks
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08:12<Black_Prince>Ouch, I never remember that factoid well
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08:12<lancelot_of>lindi-_, http://paste.debian.net/121260/
08:13<Black_Prince>transmissioncli and bittorent are giving same errors ...
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08:15<abrotman>!otherirc Black_Prince #foo asdf.asdf
08:15<abrotman>or not
08:15<abrotman>who knows .. sney will tell you eventually .. or you could just you know .. type it out
08:16<Black_Prince>boah
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08:17<lindi-_>lancelot_of: debian testing I presume?
08:18<lindi-_>lancelot_of: there are some DRI errors but they don't look like fatal
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08:19<abrotman>CaBa: you're right .. that's not good
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08:22<CaBa>yep, it's not... i think a broken file was distributed. probably thats also why the download link on debian.org is still not updated and thus dead
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08:23<abrotman>as i said above, usually the website is a bit delayed
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08:23<CaBa>abrotman: well what i dont understand is why the old files are removed from the mirrors so quickly
08:24<abrotman>CaBa: did you try another mirror perhaps ?
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08:24<CaBa>abrotman: its the same (broken) file everywhere
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08:24<CaBa>abrotman: anyway, i googled a 6.0.1 image now and found also the 6.0.1 checksums from debian.org in the google cache - so i'm fine now
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08:25<abrotman>CaBa: enjoy
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08:25<Jonas_>hi all
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08:26<Jonas_>i've a little question about iptables.Am i at the right place ?
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08:26<devil>Jonas_: just ask
08:26<lindi-_>lancelot_of: are you using gdm3 too?
08:27<Jonas_>i want to set up a minecraft server on the port 2255, but i have to open this port in TCP & UDP with my firewall iptables
08:28<Jonas_>i don't now how to proceed
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08:28<lindi-_>Jonas_: how did you configure your firewall in the first place?
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08:28<Jonas_>i've resetted all the rules with iptables -F
08:29<lancelot_of>lindi-_, no, gdm 2
08:29<lindi-_>Jonas_: there should be no rules at all by default
08:29<lindi-_>lancelot_of: ok hmm
08:29<Jonas_>so, all the port are open ?
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08:29<lindi-_>Jonas_: yes
08:30<Jonas_>but when i start the server, it print failed to bind to port
08:30<lindi-_>Jonas_: iptables can not cause that
08:30<Jonas_>and perhaps a server is already running on that port
08:30<lindi-_>Jonas_: binding succeeds even if you DROP all packets with iptables
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08:31<Jonas_>i've looked for on internet, and failed to bind to port is a tipycal error when the firewall is not well set
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08:32<Jonas_>so I don't know what to do now...
08:32<lindi-_>Jonas_: internet can be wrong :)
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08:32<Jonas_>yes,it could=)
08:32<lindi-_>Jonas_: anyways, minecraft is not really part of debian so I can't take a closer look
08:33<Jonas_>does anyone know how to set up my server ?
08:33<Jonas_>ok, i'm gonna try a minecraft channel to ask my problem
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08:34<Jonas_>thank you very much for all, and sorry for my bad english ;-)
08:35<abrotman>CaBa: thanks, i'm asking the people that should know what's up with the md5s failing
08:36<CaBa>abrotman: the image also doesnt boot
08:37<abrotman>i assume because the md5 doesn't match ..
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08:40<Black_Prince>Even when downloading netinst from ftp.acc.umu.se mirror sums are different than given.
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08:41<abrotman>seems a bit more widespread :(
08:41<CaBa>well ftp.acc.umu.se is the CNAME for cdimages.debian.org
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08:42<Black_Prince>Let me put netinst on usb and try ...
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09:00<Black_Prince>It *seems* to work fine ... All modules and packages load fine, I haven't tried installing tough.
09:01<madadam1>Hi do you know in which repository I can find zoneminder?
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09:02<Black_Prince>judd versions zoneminder
09:02<judd>Package zoneminder on i386 -- squeeze: 1.24.2-8; sid: 1.24.2-9; wheezy: 1.24.2-9
09:02<Black_Prince>madadam1: in main
09:02<madadam1>Black_Prince, I haven't, could you give me the adress so I can control from sources. list^?
09:02<abrotman>madadam1: which version of Debian ?
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09:03<Black_Prince>!sources list
09:03<dpkg>it has been said that sources list is a good sources.list (based on the previousone) is at ftp://64.192.222.101/pub/sources.list
09:03<abrotman>wtf ..
09:03<abrotman>madadam1: which version of debian? yes, it matters
09:03<Black_Prince>ah, dpkg went insane
09:03<madadam1>squeeze
09:03<abrotman>madadam1: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin
09:04<madadam1>!sources.list
09:04<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
09:04<madadam1>abrotman, I can't
09:04<abrotman>you can't?
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09:04<madadam1>abrotman, no, I'm working from another pc that hasn't gnome
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09:05<madadam1>abrotman, I've just the security repo
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09:07<madadam1>someone can say me where I can read the main repo?
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09:07<Black_Prince>Look at dpkg's factoid
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09:08<Black_Prince>Or to make it easier, do echo "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
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09:10<madadam1>Black_Prince, thank
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09:26<patjr>hi people!
09:26<patjr>anybody?
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09:26<abrotman>lots of people
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09:26<Black_Prince>!anybody
09:26<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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09:28<grove>There a machine on this network advertising IPv6 routes, so my box (running Squeeze) configures itself with an IPv6 address on eth1 (the main interface), it all works, but I would like to use privacy extensions. So I added a /etc/sysctl.d/v6_privacy.conf which can be seen at http://pastebin.com/3DYb6TWc, but after a reboot privacy extensions is still not used. Any hints?
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09:30<patjr>does anyone knows whats the same program as microsoft visual basic over linux?
09:31<abrotman>patjr: there really isn't one .. if you mean VBA type of VB
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09:31<abrotman>patjr: you can use .NET if you want
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09:31<patjr>.net? but im using ubuntu?
09:32<abrotman>so why are you asking #debian ?
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09:32<abrotman>patjr: go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net .. ask them about mono
09:32<patjr>ok bro thanks!
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09:40<K0JIbKA>ok. once again. <bluetooth-applet> is shown as running at Gnome DE on my Debian Squeeze. But there's no bouetooth icon in toolbar at the moment. The thing is it shows up and goes off from start to start of the system. How to make it stable in toolbar? Bluetooth adapter is up and running.
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09:49<CaBa>oh my... do reference this [ http://trac.calendarserver.org/ticket/260 ] as the ldap configuration doc in the package documentation is kind of... sad...
09:49<CaBa>*to
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09:49<madadam1>how can I see which is the adress of my zoneminder server? I've installed it on the machine 192.168.1.7, and the apache server is reacheble
09:50<madadam1>reachable*
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10:07<Zathras>Hi. Are there Apache 2.2.19 packages for Debian Squeeze (some kind of backport)?
10:08<daemonkeeper>judd: versions apache2
10:08<judd>Package apache2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny9; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny9; lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze1; sid: 2.2.19-1; wheezy: 2.2.19-1
10:08<daemonkeeper>It may come, seeing that.
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10:12<Zathras>current Apache in Squeeze seems to have issues when using proxy in a vhost. That's why I would like to upgrade
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10:16<lindi-_>Zathras: is there a bug report about that?
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10:17<Zathras>lindi-_, there kind if is. iirc there is a bug report for 2 very similar issues/setups as mine. I think these 3 are related
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10:18<Zathras>*kind of is
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10:26<hscade_>Hi, for some reason I can not uninstall openjdk-6 via software center and also I tried to purge it via terminal emulation but it is still in place
10:28<Black_Prince>hscade_: what does it say when you try to remove it via terminal?
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10:30<hscade_>it seems that is it uninstalled because after a second try of "aptitude purge openjdk-6" it does nothing
10:30<mnm>saudi
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10:31<Black_Prince>hscade_: there is no such package. There are openjdk-6-jre openjdk-6-jdk and openjdk-6-jre-headless ... + doc + demo + dbg packages
10:31<hscade_>so now even software center says that is uninstalled
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10:32<hscade_>sry my fault I used openjdk-6-jdk
10:32<tal>Hi all. Does Debian support MPRIS 2.0 specs?
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10:34<rengo>HI
10:35<rengo>ANYONE KNOWS HOW TO DOWNLOAD DEBIAN FROM HTTP://1.OOSKAR.COM ???
10:35<rengo>IM ON IRC.FREENODE.NET #UBUNTU-ES
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10:36<rengo>xxxxxxxdddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
10:36<MrFrood>rengo: don't shout
10:36<rengo>!ops
10:36<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
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10:36<rengo>!ops trolololololo
10:36<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: rengo complains about: trolololololo
10:36<daemonkeeper>Beh, no dpkg
10:36<daemonkeeper>Oh, its back
10:36<rengo>http://1.ooskar.com
10:36<rengo>http://territoriogamers.com/sanjose
10:36-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*alvaro-es@200.125.82.*] by Ganneff
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10:36<@Ganneff>helpful that a troll announces himself
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10:37<MrFrood>did rengo just call ops on self
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10:37<MrFrood>nice work Ganneff
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10:38<hscade_>curiouse thing. now I've installed sun-java6-jdk but can't change the default jvm because it is not listed (update-alternatives --config java)
10:38<quant>gay porn... ok
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10:39<quant>I hope it was only a script to make it fly around the screen and no exploit :)
10:39<abrotman>hscade_: update-java-alternatives
10:39<daemonkeeper>Well, noscript is your friend. Moreover rarely exploits work on Linux at all
10:39<MrFrood>hscade_: dis you want to install the jre ?
10:39<hscade_>MrFrood, jdk
10:40*MrFrood goes back to cufflink shopping
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10:40<quant>daemonkeeper, I'm a web "developer"... I must run scripts... too much trouble otherwise
10:41<daemonkeeper>quant: So? Whitelist your sites.
10:41<quant>daemonkeeper, I often check what others are doing on their sites... it would be too much trouble
10:41-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*alvaro-es@200.125.82.*] by Ganneff
10:41<hscade_>abrotman, there is neither a symlink nor a executeable
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10:42<abrotman>hscade_: huh?
10:42<abrotman>!update-java-alternativs
10:42<abrotman>!update-java-alternatives
10:42<abrotman>hrm ..
10:43<abrotman>judd: file update-java-alternatives --release squeeze
10:43<judd>update-java-alternatives in squeeze/i386: java-common: usr/sbin/update-java-alternatives
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10:44<abrotman>!update-java-alternatives
10:44<dpkg>Rather than using update-alternatives (or galternatives) to set each individual alternative for java (and there are lots of them!), use update-java-alternatives. To see a list of the valid java alternatives, use "update-java-alternatives --list". To select the sun-java6 java runtime environment, "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun".
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10:46<MrFrood>is not the jvm provided by the jre (sorry don't know a lot about java) ?
10:46<abrotman>it can be
10:47<hscade_>MrFrood, I need more then just the jvm
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10:47<MrFrood>jdk is the developemt stuff, right?
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10:48<hscade_>MrFrood, y
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10:51<deboff>hi all
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10:52<deboff>i recently upgraded to testing and now when I boot I get the following attention box on the logon screen
10:52<deboff>"YOUR SAVED session type 'kde' is not valid anymore"
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10:53<deboff>mouse and keyboard do not respond
10:53<deboff>I can see the cursor blinking in the password box
10:53<TCW>deboff, that message does show even before you enter the username?
10:53<deboff>and ctrl+print screen s-u-b reboots
10:54<deboff>yes
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10:54<deboff>I can't do anything once anything graphical comes up
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10:54<TCW>funny, how does kdm know your session is "screwed" if it does not even know the user yet?
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10:55<TCW>debctrl+alt+f1 does not work either?
10:55<TCW>deboff, even
10:56<deboff>i'm afraid not
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10:56<deboff>I can select recovery mode from grub menu and get cli from there
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10:57<TCW>deboff, another box available to ssh into that box?
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10:57<deboff>am...I'm not very knowledgable about networking
10:57<hscade_>deboff, ok it seems that you have to reconfigure your xorg.conf
10:57<Black_Prince>.dot{files,folders} are responsible for that (in other words configuration from previous installation)
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10:58<deboff>I have tried several xorg.conf files
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10:58<deboff>I also tried no conf, supposedly latest versions don't need it
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10:59<deboff>but I am willing to try again
10:59<hscade_>deboff, keyboard and mouse are usb devices?
10:59<deboff>ps2
10:59<TCW>deboff, there is always the right time to learn new stuff ;)
10:59<hscade_>mh thats curiouse
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10:59<hscade_>TCW, /signed
11:00<TCW>deboff, so is there another box? Even windows would do
11:00<deboff>I don't understand TWC, /signed
11:00<deboff>sorry haha TWC is a person
11:00<TCW>deboff, that means hscade_ agrees with me and you mixed the letters in my nick, shame on you! :p
11:00<deboff>I'm using an old laptop now
11:01<TCW>deboff, they are on the same network?
11:01<deboff>ic TCW
11:01<hscade_>deboff, I've only seen this behaviour with usb devices
11:01<deboff>they're both plugged into the same router
11:01<hscade_>TCW, i'm sorry
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11:02<TCW>hscade_, about what?
11:02<deboff>I don't think it is a mouse or keyboard problem
11:02<TCW>17:01:20 <TCW> deboff, they are on the same network? <<-- please! :)
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11:03<EdePopede>hello everyone. 2 things that i realized during the last days: 1) debian does not use a regexlib being able to use (in less or with grep) extended expresions (eg TAB)? ... and 2) what happened to the system beep? echo -e '\007' uses the soundcard on tty, does not work in X, xchat's "beep on message" does not work. problem with debian or just lxde?
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11:04<deboff>I can use cli fine in recovery mode, is that ok instead of ssh?
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11:05<grove>There is a machine on this network advertising IPv6 routes, so my box (running Squeeze) configures itself with an IPv6 address on eth1 (the main interface), it all works, but I would like to use privacy extensions. So I added a /etc/sysctl.d/v6_privacy.conf which can be seen at http://pastebin.com/3DYb6TWc, but after a reboot privacy extensions is still not used. Any hints on what's wrong?
11:05<deboff>I'll download putty
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11:05<TCW>deboff, no... it may be doable and if you know what you are doing it does not matter, but for a guy not familiar with the cli I guess a ssh connection from another box which has a working KDE / Gnome / Windows / Whatever helps *a lot*.
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11:07<nyov>deboff: just flying by.. have you seen that about the ati framebuffer driver i wrote?
11:07<nyov>deboff: aty128fb ?
11:07<nyov>http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~cs448/git/trunk/src/docs/fbdev-dri.html
11:07<deboff>morning nyov
11:07<nyov>evening :P
11:08<TCW>good afternoon! ;)
11:08<deboff>sorry I closed the last window
11:08<deboff>what was I to locate again?
11:09<nyov>that aty128fb is blacklisted at least in my udev. see if that's true for yours, and try modprobeing that. hopefully your /dev/fb0 is available then
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11:10<deboff>there is a /lib/modules/2.6.39-2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/video/aty/aty128fb.ko
11:10<TCW>deboff, oh... and check if the box with broken X / KDE has ssh installed (dpkg -l openssh-server)
11:10<nyov>grep -R 'aty128fb' /etc/modprobe.d/
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11:10<TCW>2.6.39?!
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11:11<TCW>deboff, what version of Debian do you run?
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11:11<TCW>oh... sorry... nevermind, it was testing, right? Didn't know that kernel did hit testing already
11:12<sney>TCW: about a week or less ago,
11:12<SynrG>deboff: you know #debian-next is where support for testing happens
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11:13<deboff> grep -R 'aty128fb' /etc/modprobe.d/ returns
11:13<nyov>only one line
11:14<nyov>or pastebin :P
11:14<deboff>this /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf.old:blacklist aty128fb
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11:15<nyov>thought so
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11:15<TCW>deboff, see... with ssh this would just be a matter of copy and paste
11:16<SynrG>irc tip of the day. /say /something_starting_with_a_slash (irc tip #2, irssi recognizes things with multiple slashes as paths, so /say is not necessary)
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11:16<TCW>and we would not need to wait that long for a response either
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11:16<TCW>SynrG, not only irssi does that
11:16<ali>hi there
11:17<TCW>/see? ;)
11:17<SynrG>there are irc clients other than irssi?
11:17<EdePopede>/xchat!
11:17<daemonkeeper>Yep, telnet
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11:17<TCW>hehe
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11:18<deboff>thanks for the hints
11:19<deboff>I have openssh-server and putty on my windoze
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11:20<Guest146>where are you from turkey???
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11:20<deboff>and I'm logged in :)
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11:21<TCW>deboff, logged in on the broken box?
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11:21<deboff>yes via sh
11:21<deboff>ssh
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11:21<babilen>Guest146: Do you use Ubuntu? Are you looking for a Turkish channel?
11:22<Guest146>ok
11:22<Guest146>thank you
11:22<TCW>deboff, did you install winscp as well?
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11:22<deboff>oh, no
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11:22<babilen>Guest146: Huh? Well, for Debian there is #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net -- If you use Ubuntu you probably want #ubuntu-tr
11:23<TCW>debor maybe samba would be the easier approach...
11:23<TCW>deboff, is samba installed?
11:23<deboff>I believe so
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11:24<TCW>deboff, as user smbclient -L localhost <enter, tweice> does ist return something?
11:24<TCW>twice even
11:24<SynrG>TCW, deboff: i mentioned the bit about support for testing on #debian-next? :)
11:24<deboff>yes indeed samba is installed
11:24<SynrG>(not that i want to squash your enthusiasm)
11:24<TCW>SynrG, you did... apparently ;)
11:24<agentc>how to config a e160e surfstick with wvdial? i have no screen avail so i have to write the cfgfile free hand. can anyone advice me?
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11:25<TCW>deboff, /join debian-next lets continue our discussion there :)
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11:25<deboff>cool, nyov, if you are there I would like to invite you to join us also
11:26<nyov>deboff: ok i'll join up, but be away for awhile now
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11:27<agentc>could someone send me a short asci intro to handy@mitlab.de ?
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11:31<agentc>cause i can read it as email better then this javachatter
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11:34<agentc>it is a huawei e160e usb surfstick with vodaphone card
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11:34<mralk3>what is a good official resource for bluetooth related how tos and documentation for debian squeeze?
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11:36<SynrG>!bluetooth
11:36<dpkg>Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (http://bluetooth.com/), about as secure as shouting. aptitude install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser . For support of Atheros AR3001 devices, ask me about <ath3k>.
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11:36<debianseek>hi how can get an image of the latest 6.0.2 release for installation from scratch
11:37<agentc>would be nice to receive a config example by email
11:37<mralk3>SynrG: ty sir. i will use that now
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11:37<SynrG>agentc: i think if someone knows, they'll just answer. re-asking over and over is just annoying
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11:38<mralk3>debianseek: i will pm
11:38<debianseek>!version
11:38<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
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11:38<debianseek>mralk3: thanks, look forward to it.
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11:39<SynrG>if you're reinstalling because something is broken in your current system, it is generally better to try to understand and fix the problem rather than reinstall, as then you know how to prevent it next time.
11:40<SynrG>(i may have misunderstood what you were implying by 'from scratch' ... if so, apolgies)
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11:41<CaBa>hm, maybe davical is an alternative to calendarserver - anyone an opinion about that?
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11:53<debianseek>SynrG: mralk3 just helped me out. I meant a fresh install. I am migrating from ubuntu to debian. I couldn't find this page: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/amd64/iso-cd/ that mralk3 kindly pointed out for me.
11:53<debianseek>cheerio... I am off to install Six point oh point twoooooo
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11:55<SynrG>debianseek: excellent. good luck
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12:04<debianseek>one more question... there seem to be 52 iso builds in that directory. Which one do I get?
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12:05<ml|>debianseek: you only need the first one
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12:06<debianseek>So just to be sure: debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-CD-1.iso or debian-update-6.0.2.1-amd64-CD-1.iso
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12:07<debianseek>they are pretty similar in size....
12:07<debianseek>Why does the directory have so many builds anyway?
12:07<ml|>debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-CD-1.iso if you are going to install 64bit
12:07<debianseek>yes, I need 64bit
12:08<debianseek>what is the update version?
12:08<ml|>Debian CD image FAQ: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/
12:09<quant>debianseek, get the cd with the desktop that you want and during installation you will be updated to the latest packages (1st cd is gnome, the others are marked)
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12:12<debianseek>thanks, ml| I will read that doc you linked... useful information
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12:13<debianseek>quant: I would like put openbox on my laptop. Which number is that...
12:13<quant>debianseek, none, but you can always aptitude install openbox... perhaps you could get xfce and just openbox on top of that (if you want to use xfce panel perhaps etc.)
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12:14<ml|>debianseek: there is not an opebox image, do you plan to use gnome?
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12:15<ml|>or use the netinst image and just install openbox
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12:15<debianseek>I wanted a lighter option and people highly recommended icewm and/or openbox
12:15<debianseek>the xfce is a good idea...
12:15<debianseek>and the netinst of course.
12:15<quant_>debianseek, you can also install lxde cd, but you'll get lxpanel etc. on top of openbox in that case (lxde uses openbox)
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12:17<debianseek>does netinst come with wireless drivers?
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12:17<quant_>debianseek, squeeze, by default, comes with no non-free drivers in the kernel, so it depends on your wireless card I guess
12:18<quant_>debianseek, you can always install linux-firmware-nonfree to get those proprietary kernel blobs
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12:18<debianseek>my peculiar little wireless driver just got inducted into the debian hall of utilities in 6.0.2.
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12:18<quant_>cool
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12:19<debianseek>which is why this sudden exodus to debian. :)
12:19<quant_>only because the driver appeared? :)
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12:21<debianseek>well... I always liked debian. It runs my analyses in a very snappy way. I was feeling frustrated and trapped with the new Unity nightmare on Ubunty. My laptop has 8 GB of RAM but sometimes ubuntu takes up 6GB running nothing.
12:21-!-mode/#debian [+l 503] by debhelper
12:21<debianseek>I suspect there is a memory leak somewhere
12:21<debianseek>but troubleshooting was a nightmare
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12:22<quant_>debian is generally much snappier, yes
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12:22<quant_>my squeeze xfce has 92 MB used after boot
12:22<debianseek>several long forum threads later, I saw this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=590280 which gave me hope that wireless would be smoother in the new release
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12:23<debianseek>wow 92megs?
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12:23<debianseek>Which iso is the xfce one?
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12:24<quant_>debianseek, it says xfce+lxde in the name... perhaps that one :)
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12:24<debianseek>lol
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12:24<debianseek>why is lxde there as well?
12:24<quant_>debianseek, both can fit on 1 cd I presume
12:24<debianseek>Isn't that unnecessary maybe?
12:24<Black_Prince>To fill up space.
12:25<debianseek>Oh so maybe you get a choice on what to install?
12:25<quant_>debianseek, no, no... you choose which one you want installed during installation
12:25<Black_Prince>debianseek: yes, thats right
12:25<debianseek>heh
12:25<ml|>heh
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12:26<debianseek>okie... I am off to try xfce then! 92 megs base utilization is something unheard of in ubuntu-world
12:26<jhutchins_lt>debianseek: Linux _should_ take up 8G when running nothing. Not using available ram is pointless.
12:26<quant_>debianseek, good luck
12:27<debianseek>really - that's an interesting perspective jhutchins_lt
12:27<debianseek>why is that?
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12:27<jhutchins_lt>What good is unused ram?
12:27<ml|>debianseek: just keep in mind linux uses most of your available memory whether you use it or not, makes things faster that way; so might not have been a memory leek
12:28<debianseek>probably none - but doesn't it slow down launching of other applications?
12:28<quant_>so what's up with my 92 MB after boot in squeeze xfce? I'm really curious
12:28<jhutchins_lt>No, memory can be reallocated as fast as it can be allocated.
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12:28<ml|>debianseek: no
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12:29<Guest158>hola, tengo una targeta nvidia, que paquete instalo de los repos para que funcione la aceleracion 3D ?
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12:30<quant_>in any case, debian is more snappy then ubuntu for me, on a fairly modern machine with 2 GB of RAM... (same desktop)
12:31<debianseek>ubuntu does take a ton of time to launch things
12:31<quant_>I can live with launch times, but everything I do is lagged in ubuntu (even if no flash is running)
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12:32<quant_>when you put the cpu to run on maximum frequency constantly, it gets much better...
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12:48<CallMeD>hello from canada
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12:52<bst>Zimbabwe here o/
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13:10<ramonmc>hello
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13:10<SynrG>good afternoon
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13:11<nerea2000>olaaaaaaaaaa Ramón
13:11<ramonmc>heeeeeee
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13:11<ramonmc>pene
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13:12<ramonmc>ioer
13:12<nerea2000>jilipollas
13:12<ramonmc>rtgpwergẁeojirẁeojirẁejirwejigwehe
13:12<daemonkeeper>Would you mind a) speaking English b) keeping your chat on-topic?
13:12<nerea2000>q dices
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13:13<nerea2000>q
13:13<ramonmc>k te follen daemonkeeper
13:13<nerea2000>a tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
13:13<mralk3>my bluetooth is broken. i have followed the BluetoothUser page to the exact directions. Please view http://pastebin.com/5hDJ2gV5 for info on my system and log output for bluetooth functionality.
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13:14<nerea2000>tu eres más
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13:14<mralk3>The following bug looks very similar to my problem at some point.
13:14<mralk3>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez-utils/+bug/284982
13:14<nerea2000>q te den porculo
13:15<nerea2000>as entendido
13:15<nerea2000>eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
13:15<nerea2000>+jhẁosyuhw'gnwpift9u¡w0yjigu'eoighuoiugìgu' irtowit+w90wiru¡t
13:15<daemonkeeper>!ops maybe nerea2000 listens to your advise more
13:15<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: daemonkeeper complains about: maybe nerea2000 listens to your advise more
13:15<nerea2000>rt8r7tu'reut'w98gf qwdspugffwpkidygfh'8rtryuw0r
13:15<ramonmc>keteca
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13:15<nerea2000>q
13:15-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
13:16-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@83.230.207.18] by abrotman
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13:16<daemonkeeper>Thanks
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13:18<mralk3>please help! http://pastebin.com/HqeTJDBV
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13:19<Gerowen>Is there a reason places like /sbin and /usr/sbin aren't in the $PATH on a default Debian 6 installation?
13:19<daemonkeeper>They have never been, unless you are root
13:19<abrotman>for a normal user? they shouldn't be
13:19<Hydroxide>Gerowen: yes. things from there are mostly intended for root use. they are in root's default path.
13:20<abrotman>Gerowen: you can type the full path to the binary
13:20<Gerowen>OK, I'd noticed they were available to root, but I was trying to run things like ifconfig and arp and found I had to manually type the absolute path to the files.
13:20<daemonkeeper>Just add it to your $PATH if you care
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13:21<Hydroxide>Gerowen: also ifconfig is deprecated - its replacement, ip, is in your path (it's in /bin)
13:21<Hydroxide>syntax is quite different though
13:21<Gerowen>Oh really, I didn't know that, thanks for letting me know, :-)
13:21<Hydroxide>currently I have partially but not fully retrained myself :)
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13:22*abrotman files a bug to remove ifconfig ..
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13:23<Black_Prince>Has ifupdown migrated to iproute2 ?
13:23<SynrG>hm, i suspect this is one of those things, like EDT editor key mappings that will take intense deprogramming for me to change :/
13:23<Hydroxide>Gerowen: it appears that it replaces the arp command too, though I was so unfamiliar with that aspect that I had to check the doc :)
13:23<Hydroxide>it is sadly underdocumented
13:24<daemonkeeper>ip replaces almost everything from ifconfig over route and arp and vconfig. Howevere none of those tools are scheduled for removal
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13:24<Black_Prince>I tought that ISC DHCP uses net tools, as does ifupdown ...
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13:26<daemonkeeper>Black_Prince: If I remember correctly, ifupdown was recently adapted for ip
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13:26<Black_Prince>Ah, experimental version
13:26<Black_Prince>Nice
13:27<Black_Prince>It looks like debian is migrating from net-tools as it did from openoffice.org
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13:27<Gerowen>Is LibreOffice in the stable repos yet?
13:27<Black_Prince>Gerowen: it is in the backports
13:27<valdyn>Gerowen: yet? it will be > 1 year
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13:28<Black_Prince>judd versions libreoffice
13:28<judd>Package libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.3.2-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:3.3.2-2; sid: 1:3.3.3-1
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13:35<Black_Prince>Debian still uses make 3.81? 3.82 is released for a long time now.
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13:36<gsimmons>debianseek: WRT Debian bug #590280, the rtl8192se driver will be part of the next Debian release ("Wheezy"). It is not part of 6.0.2.1.
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13:38<debianseek>damn - I am part way through my install.... do you think I should do an install of the experimental version of wheezy then?
13:39<debianseek>and when is it expected to come out then gsimmons
13:39<Black_Prince>experimental version of wheezy? *cough*
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13:39*debianseek is somewhat confused..
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13:40<MAXmark>wheezy is testing ,sid is experimental or unstable
13:40<debianseek>wheezy is experimental?
13:40<Black_Prince>sid is unstable, experimental is experimental
13:40<Zaba>sid is unstable, experimental has no nickname
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13:40<Zaba>wheezy is testing
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13:41<debianseek>well there it is then majority voices! :)
13:41<debianseek>so the question is should I be installing wheezy?
13:41<Zaba>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html#s3.1
13:41<Black_Prince>!testing
13:41<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
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13:43<SynrG>debianseek: see also #debian-next which offers support for testing & unstable
13:43<gsimmons>debianseek: It isn't in wheezy yet, either.
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13:45<debianseek>so gsimmons, where is it and how should I ensure that its in my next install...? Sorry about pestering you all with this, wireless is somewhat crucial to me
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13:45<debianseek>(I just read the manual you linked Zaba, thanks for that!)
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13:47<SynrG>debianseek: since linux 3.0 is still in release candidates ...
13:48<SynrG>this puts you in a tight spot. there is no supported way currently for you. can you use a usb gadget to get wifi until it's ready?
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13:48<SynrG>otherwise, you would need to either run an experimental kernel (not really desirable, as that may cause other issues) or find a backport of the module for your kernel.
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13:49<debianseek>ubuntu somehow has support for this driver but on every other distro its a problematic patchy fix, drops often and is generally a pain. :(
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13:50<SynrG>ubuntu has lower standards for inclusion of drivers
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13:50<debianseek>are you saying that this wireless card is somehow a cheap version?
13:50<SynrG>their approach seems to be: "any driver is better than none at all", regardless of quality
13:50<SynrG>no
13:51<SynrG>i'm saying the driver is not up to standards
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13:51<debianseek>So did it get included in the new release because of some recent re-write?
13:51<debianseek>You know, that makes sense
13:51<SynrG>debian will include drivers that are accepted by the kernel team upstream. ubuntu additionally includes drivers from random vendors.
13:51<debianseek>since it keeps dropping at random times even on ubunty
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13:52<SynrG>so your best solution until debian releases a kernel with it included is to use a USB wifi gadget
13:52<SynrG>really
13:52<debianseek>thanks for the insight...
13:52<SynrG>if that's not an option, you can consider one of the other alternatives i suggested.
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13:53<debianseek>I am slowly learning the ins and outs of linux distros
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13:53<debianseek>it tough when things are already pre-built for you in windows and to an extent, in ubuntu
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13:53<SynrG>yes. lagging driver support in linux is a pain. and i'm not sure i like ubuntu's compromise on this front.
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13:54<SynrG>the best solution is to get vendors to care more about ensuring their hardware has solid linux driver support when it goes to market.
13:54<debianseek>why not? makes it more universal and user-friendly (nevermind the ghastly bloat(
13:54<valdyn>whats so hard about buying supported hardware in the first place?
13:55<SynrG>it's "user-friendly" to have a driver that cuts out all teh time?
13:55<SynrG>it burns countless hours of volunteer time helping the hapless souls with such hardware :p
13:55<SynrG>this makes me not such a big fan
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13:55<valdyn>SynrG: vendors are very well supported by linux devs
13:55<debianseek>Well.. my laptop is from System76 - a self-proclaimed linux friendly laptop company (that *cough* will ONLY support ubuntu)
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13:55<valdyn>SynrG: the last step has to be done by them
13:56<SynrG>valdyn: yes, i understand that.
13:56<SynrG>you can lead a horse to water ...
13:56<valdyn>hehe
13:56<SynrG>but you can't make him ensure his driver patches are accepted upstream
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13:57<valdyn>debianseek: can you imagine that havok debian users can cause on a support phone line?
13:58<debianseek>I am sure it will get re-routed to a callcenter where people have flow-charts and then call a supervisor if they cant deal with.
13:58<debianseek>any problem = which will be all the time
13:59<SynrG>debianseek: i don't want to slam a company i know nothing about. maybe they're doing good work and this is an isolate case, but this seems a bit ... slimy. smells like vendor lock-in at the worst, and sloppy design at best."
13:59<SynrG>isolated*
13:59<SynrG>it's not like there aren't supported cards out there
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14:01<debianseek>SynrG: yeah, sadly realization only dawns after you have bought the spiel and the laptop and then realize that 'fast and speedy" response does not always mean "helpful" and "We are a linux-centric company" actually means "we only support ubuntu, screw all other distros"
14:02<SynrG>debianseek: but to return to the "should i run wheezy" issue, i would generally not recommend it to a new user of debian unless they're quite capable of troubleshooting stuff on their own (with some community assistance). and generally when i encounter a user with hardware not supported by stable, i look first for a kernel backport that would solve their problem.
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14:03<debianseek>I will try and locate a backport on 6.0.2 then...
14:03<SynrG>needless to say, backports aren't done of kernels in 'experimental'
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14:03<SynrG>what remains to investigate is if the driver itself can be backported to an earlier kernel
14:03<SynrG>either 2.6.32 (squeeze) or whatever is current in backports.d.o
14:03<SynrG>which i think is 2.6.39
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14:04<SynrG>with luck, equipped with 2.6.39 from backports, and headers for it, you can build the driver from source yourself.
14:04<debianseek>could you possibly link some well-written documentation that can help me wrap my head around this?
14:05<valdyn>debianseek: you only need a newer kernel?
14:05<debianseek>valdyn: yes, a kernel that has the driver described here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=590280
14:06<debianseek>which I have been told is not in any kernel yet
14:06<SynrG>valdyn: the bug# indicates it's only in 3.0 in experimental :p
14:06<valdyn>!kmuto
14:06<dpkg>Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.38) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>.
14:07<SynrG>valdyn: not recent enough
14:07<valdyn>err
14:07<valdyn>!which driver
14:07<dpkg>To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log . See also <oot>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>.
14:07<valdyn>yea
14:07<SynrG>we've sorted this out. it's all in #590280.
14:07<valdyn>its in no kernel yet
14:08<valdyn>SynrG: is there anything new except for the pci id?
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14:08<SynrG>debianseek: so there's no "well-written doc" for this. there is: http://wiki.debian.org/Modules
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14:09<SynrG>but that's little help to you, as there is no 'extra' module package for this
14:09<SynrG>so you follow whatever upstream's instructions are for building this module from source.
14:09<valdyn>well he could just use the experimental kernel
14:10<SynrG>yes, and live with the consequences :p
14:10<SynrG>i haven't been impressed so far. but i have different harware.
14:10<SynrG>hardware*
14:10<debianseek>okie, once this mess is sorted, I will be sure to contribute a wiki page describing things for other people in the same leaky little wireless boat
14:10<SynrG>i couldn't keep 3.0 rc3 up long enough without crashing to be useful to me.
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14:11<debianseek>where does one write such things?
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14:11<SynrG>others may have better experiences
14:12<SynrG>debianseek: any such doc would be *very* short-lived
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14:12<SynrG>hardly worth the bother for this device, methinks
14:13<debianseek>lol
14:13<SynrG>kernel release cycles are sufficiently short that when 3.0 releases the driver will be there, then rendering your doc obsolete
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14:13<debianseek>what is your estimate of when 3.0 will be released?
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14:17<SynrG>it's a guessing game ...
14:17<valdyn>debianseek: i think the release cycle is 3 months
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14:17<valdyn>debianseek: its followed quite closely usually
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14:18<valdyn>debianseek: mostly unless some event linus is attending comes in between
14:18<triton555>hello :) im trying to install debian via cdrom on another partiton me problem is i got a braodcom ethernet and the drver is built in the kernerl :( what can i do to get around this
14:19<valdyn>debianseek: after that you might have or want to wait till its packaged for debian though, thats much harder to predict
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14:19<SynrG>that being said, we're well into the rc# series for 3.0
14:19<SynrG>so, nearing the end of upstream's release cycle
14:20<SynrG>we're at rc4 now. i haven't tried this one yet
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14:20<valdyn>mainline: 3.0-rc5
14:20<debianseek>all that is strangely comforting... atleast someone has heard of this trouble and is working on it...
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14:21<chealer>msg dpkg linux
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14:23<SynrG>debianseek: if you're adventuresome and halfway adept at troubleshooting, join #debian-next, try a wheezy install, and then plop the kernel from experimental on top of that.
14:24<SynrG>debianseek: but only if you have time to kill. if you want a 'just works' solution, stable + backports (and unfortunately, this means a lot of waiting) is still the best way to go.
14:24<quant_>I'll get popcorn and you keep us informed :)
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14:25<debianseek>hehe... that's pretty tempting..
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14:28<triton555>:)
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14:32<triton555>herm google says lenny-custom-0116.iso wich has the broadcom drivers
14:32<triton555>ill try that then do a uppgrade if it works :)
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14:33<SynrG>lenny!
14:33<SynrG>!lenny
14:33<dpkg>Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny
14:33<SynrG>i think google is feeding you badly out of date results :p
14:34<SynrG>please be specific about *which* broadcom
14:34<SynrG>!broadcom
14:34<dpkg>Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>. For Ethernet chipset support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>.
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14:35<triton555>Backported d-i images archive
14:35<triton555>This directory provides Debian GNU/Linux Stable installer ISO images with modifications by Kenshi Muto to support newer hardwares, such as SATA contollers and Ethernet devices.
14:35<triton555>USE THEM AT YOUR OWN RISK, PLEASE.
14:35<triton555>eros sorry bout pasta
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14:35<triton555>sorry
14:36<SynrG>if it worked with kenshi's backport for lenny, it should work without any backport for squeeze
14:36<SynrG>the only thing is, you may need non-free firmware
14:36<triton555>here http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
14:36<SynrG>there are unofficial images with firmware included
14:36<triton555>go there it says at top it has em
14:36<triton555>ahh
14:36<SynrG>!firmware images
14:36<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse
14:37<SynrG>we can help you better if we know specifically what hardware, though
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14:38<triton555>tbroadcom tgo.bin
14:38<Black_Prince>!tg3
14:38<dpkg>tg3 is a driver for Broadcom Tigon3 (aka NetXtreme I) Ethernet chipsets, included in mainline Linux kernels. Firmware from userspace (Debian 2.6.29 and later kernels) is only required for support of the BCM5701 A0 chipset or for TCP Segment Offloading (<TSO>) functionality. Tigon3 firmware (tg3.bin, tg3_tso5.bin, tg3_tso.bin) is packaged in firmware-linux-nonfree, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <firmware images>.
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14:39<Black_Prince>I have such card, and it can work without firmware, even if it is looking for it
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14:40<triton555>tg3-3.116.tar.gz is the file i got from broadcom
14:40<triton555>for my card
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14:41<triton555>thanxs for the link :)
14:41<Black_Prince>Driver is already included in kernel, firmware is needed for some extra features for some models and firmware can be found in firmware-linux-nonfree package
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14:41<SynrG>Black_Prince: "the kernel" == squeeze?
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14:41<Black_Prince>it was included in lenny too
14:42<SynrG>ah
14:42<triton555>Black_Prince: so what do u recomen? i just neen a netconection. nothing fancy
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14:43<Black_Prince>triton555, what is your mother language?
14:43<triton555>neen=need
14:43<SynrG>the implication is you would not need the unofficial image. you just need the standard squeeze installer.
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14:44<jasim>LAITH DEVIL
14:45<triton555>so will this image work that im dl currently?
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14:45<gabuba10>oi
14:45<gabuba10>oiiiiiiiii
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14:45<gabuba10>ei alguem sabe como eu baixo alguma coisa nesse sistema
14:45<gabuba10>?
14:46<daemonkeeper>!es
14:46<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:46<gabuba10>ow
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14:47<gabuba10>af
14:47<gabuba10>alguem fala
14:47<SynrG>!pt
14:47<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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14:48<SynrG>ah, i see you're already on #debian-pt. well, that's the right place to be.
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14:49<SynrG>if nobody there answers, try your best here to ask in english, please
14:49<jasim>hi
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14:52<triton555>hrm how do i burm iso in win xp
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14:52<triton555>win explorer wrte cd is no help
14:52<Black_Prince>You need a priest, a cross and some holy water
14:53<triton555>lol
14:53<triton555>whats prog should i get ?
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14:54<daemonkeeper>Everyone should be fine
14:54<daemonkeeper>Use whatever you are used to
14:54<Black_Prince>Maybe poweriso or nero or alcohol or whatever
14:55<triton555>k
14:56<abrotman>triton555: ask google, not #debian
14:56<triton555>lol k
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15:15<jeromerobert>Something strange... I see that proc is mounted on /var/cache/pbuilder/build/cow.5460/proc with ls, but it's not in /proc/mounts. How is it possible ?
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15:21<jeromerobert>nevermind
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15:43<jhutchins>trifolio6: The install guide covers this.
15:43<jhutchins>!ig
15:43<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>.
15:44<jhutchins>trifolio6: Erp, sorry.
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16:21<k1lumin4t1>hi there
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16:22<k1lumin4t1>I'm using jigdo-lite to download a Debian Squeeze DVD iso image, but it doesn't seem to be able to recover the dld from its last point
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16:31<lupobianco>irc://irc.oltreirc.net/the_mask
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17:03<Diboc>help me pls
17:03<Diboc>t.t
17:04<devil>please just ask
17:04<MrFrood>!ask
17:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:51<sney`>2 questions: 1) is there a way to automatically run a command when a network connection drops? and b) what is the Debian Way to run two instances of dnsmasq with separate configurations?
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17:55<daemonkeeper>sney`: Not out of the box. For clean shutdowns there is /etc/network/if-down.d. For connection drops, you maybe need to trigger yourself a script upon a certain action (e.g. lost link, ping failure, ...)
17:55<x3mw3rty>sney, i think that the easiest way to do that is with a script in a crontab, it must verify the network and if it is not good run your command
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17:57<sney`>x3mw3rty: that's what I have now, I was hoping for something cleaner. oh well
17:57<sney`>if only I knew why it dropped in the first place
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17:59<x3mw3rty>did you check your logs? maybe there is some information
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18:04<k1lumin4t1_>I'm using jigdo-lite to download a Debian Squeeze DVD iso image, but it doesn't seem to be able to recover the dld from its last state, it tells me it will delete all files in the temporary folder created and start again
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18:10<MrFrood>jigdo
18:10<MrFrood>!jigdo
18:10<dpkg>Jigsaw Download (jigdo) is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . http://wiki.debian.org/jigdo http://atterer.org/jigdo/
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18:16*olivetree hi guys :)
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18:38<scisteffan>hi, I'm getting "/usr/lib/cups/backend/dnssd failed" when attempting to print when my iptables firewall is switched on
18:39<scisteffan>what rule can I add to allow this connection?
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18:40<olivetree>you have to open the dns or ipp port
18:40<olivetree>dns for domain resolution if your printer have a name and ipp port to print
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18:41<olivetree>but the command depends on where the firewall is blocking. If in mangle or other like just input
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18:41<olivetree>but normally is "iptables -t mangle A PREROUTING -p tcp --sport ipp -j ACCEPT
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18:47<lindi-_>scisteffan: in general you probably want to LOG all the DROP'ed stuff when you test
18:48<Diboc>fucking
18:48<Diboc>wireless
18:48<Diboc>ath9k Y.Y
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18:55<olivetree>Guys, i'm having some trouble compiling my tv card (avermedia H830 volar) on my Deb. It fails to compile the objects do any of you know what could it be?
18:55<olivetree>i met any modules dependency they said in the file, but it still fails to compile
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18:57<Black_Prince>olivetree, paste error to pastebin
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18:57<olivetree>pastebin?
18:57<Black_Prince>!pastebin
18:57<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
18:57<olivetree>ok
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18:58<olivetree>i'll paste into paste.debian.net right?
18:58<Black_Prince>yeah
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18:58<olivetree>ok :)
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18:59<olivetree>done, it's already there
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19:00<Black_Prince>'Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!'
19:00<olivetree>http://paste.debian.net/121335
19:00<olivetree>right ;)
19:00<olivetree>dmesg doesn't say anything anormal
19:01<devil>olivetree: why would it?
19:01<Black_Prince>olivetree, are you using debian kernel or custom built one
19:01<olivetree>compiled from source
19:02<olivetree>custom
19:02<Black_Prince>I see
19:02<Black_Prince>Is source prepared for module building?
19:02<olivetree>yes
19:02<devil>olivetree: besides that, not wanting to discourage you, i tried avermedia H830 volar lat week. complete fail, i returned it
19:02<olivetree>LooooooooL shoot :(
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19:03<devil>olivetree: it seems, it worked in the past, atm it does not
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19:04<olivetree>atm? atom?
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19:04<devil>at the moment
19:04<olivetree>ok
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19:05<olivetree>it's a peaty, because i only have windows on the computer because of the tv, and i wanted to ban windows permanently as i only use linux for everything :(
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19:06<devil>olivetree: return it for a device that works
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19:07<devil>olivetree: i got myself a TerraTec Cinergy T Stick RC. get firmware, reboot, done
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19:07<olivetree>cool :)
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19:08<olivetree>well i can't return it now.. :( i'll have to settle on wintv :(
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19:09<olivetree>and the card is nice, because it's digital and analog and has radio.. though they haven't distributed the radio drivers for linux as they say, but their drivers not compiling it's bad :(
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19:09<olivetree>do you think there's a chance of reverse engeneering of the drivers and people including support on some next kernel version?
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19:12<Black_Prince>olivetree, I downloaded latest driver from their site
19:12<Black_Prince>And they are mentioning dvb_frontend.h which I can't find in debian
19:12<olivetree>from avermedia?
19:12<Black_Prince>judd file dvb_frontend.h
19:12<Black_Prince>yes, from avermedia
19:12<judd>No packages were found with that file.
19:12<Black_Prince>This one A336_LinuxDrv_x86_V1.0.20-beta_OEM
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19:13<olivetree>it's on the kernel source tree
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19:13<olivetree>do a locate dvb_frontend.h
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19:13<olivetree>but it fails to compile
19:13<Black_Prince>Nope, it isn't on squeeze's kernel
19:14<olivetree>do you have a base kernel or custom kernel?
19:14<Black_Prince>squeeze's default kernel
19:14<Black_Prince>2.6.32-5-686
19:14<olivetree>if you have the base kernel, you have to install the headers
19:14<olivetree>the kernel header
19:14<olivetree>kernel headers
19:15<olivetree>but it fails to compile here anyway :(
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19:16<Black_Prince>There is no such file
19:16<olivetree>if they had released the source, one could know what could it be, but they released under the form of binaries
19:16<alex-johnson>I have Debian 64-bit running with ALSA but every once in a while the sound gets screwed up (becomes choppy or i hear a constant buzzing sound from the speakers) and I have to run "sudo alsa force-reload" to fix it, any solution for that?
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19:17<olivetree>yes, tha'ts because you don't have the headers for your kernel installed Black_Prince
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19:17<Black_Prince>I say there is no such file
19:17<Black_Prince>I have kernel headers installed
19:17<olivetree>you do?
19:17<Black_Prince>even judd can't find that file anywhere
19:17<olivetree>whait
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19:18<Black_Prince>/tmp/avm-install/installer/osdep_dvb_2.h:4:26: error: dvb_frontend.h: No such file or directory
19:18<olivetree>/usr/src/linux-2.6.38.4/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-core/dvb_frontend.h
19:18<olivetree>/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-core/dvb_frontend.h
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19:18<Black_Prince>That is source, not headers
19:18<olivetree>yes, that's it
19:18<devil>olivetree: if you are using 2.6.32, you might even get lucky
19:19<olivetree>nope, i'm using 2.6.38.4
19:19<olivetree>how's that?
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19:19<devil>well, 2.6.38/39 didnt work for me
19:19<Black_Prince>I am downloading source right now
19:19<olivetree>ok
19:19<olivetree>no?
19:19<devil>as i said, it used to work (from what i read on the net)
19:19<olivetree>did you compiled 2.6.38?
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19:20<olivetree>ah o.k. the tv card?
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19:20<devil>yes
19:20<olivetree>right
19:21<olivetree>but i have everything prepared for the 2.6.28.4 lol
19:21<devil>well, i would not use an ancient kernel just to run a tv card
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19:22<olivetree>lol right :)
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19:22<olivetree>but also, if i use windows for that, i would gladly use a ancient kernel to replace that :)
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19:25<olivetree>alex-johnson, as for your alsa problem, i'm not very familiered with the alsa ones..
19:25<olivetree>but it look's to be a just module reloading problem
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19:25<alex-johnson>olivetree: it happens almost on a daily basis, what could be causing it?
19:26<olivetree>maybe some bug i guess. i don't know
19:26<olivetree>try to upgrade your kernel. The problem might have been corrected
19:27<alex-johnson>olivetree: I've been running Debian for a few months now and I've upgraded several kernels but the problem persists :(
19:27<alex-johnson>olivetree: I switched from Ubuntu (which used PulseAudio) with the same sound card and I never had this issue
19:28<olivetree>then it's either a driver bug, or some hardware problem
19:28<olivetree>no?
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19:28<alex-johnson>olivetree: The hardware seem to work fine with Ubuntu and only started with Debian so it might a driver issue, what can be done about that?
19:28<olivetree>try to load the PulseAudio module then
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19:29<alex-johnson>olivetree: ok, I'll try PulseAudio. Is OSS4 better?
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19:29<Black_Prince>a pulseaudio what?
19:30<alex-johnson>Black_Prince: PulseAudio for sound instead of ALSA
19:30<Black_Prince>I don't think pulseaudio is a module ... Pulseaudio is moreover sound server
19:30<olivetree>i'll check in my kernel config the options. wait
19:30<alex-johnson><Black_Prince> Would you recommend PulseAudio or OSS4? Or do you have a solution for ALSA?
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19:32<Black_Prince>olivetree, I compiled it
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19:33<Black_Prince>With squeeze's 2.6.32 kernel
19:33<nevyn>pulseaudio includes an alsa pcm plug module
19:33<nevyn>which you should set as pcm.!default
19:33<olivetree>you did?
19:33<Black_Prince>alex-johnson, I recommend pulseaudio
19:33<olivetree>the tv card?
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19:33<nevyn>in order to route apps that use alsa correctly (most things with the exception of java which requires a special environment variable boo) to the pulse soundserver
19:34<Black_Prince>olivetree, http://pastebin.com/ByMgwyeG
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19:34<alex-johnson>Black_Prince: OK. I guess I'll have to switch to PulseAudio
19:34<Black_Prince>alsa can be setup to use pulse with .asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf
19:34<Black_Prince>Since it has plugin for pulseaudio
19:34<nevyn>olivetree: do you have a /dev/dvb/frontend0 file?
19:34<lucario>haha someone else is having sound issues too :V
19:35<nevyn>if you're using debian there's this howto that I followed. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497
19:36<alex-johnson>nevyn: Thanks
19:36<olivetree>then i'll have to try to do that on the 2.6.32 :)
19:36<Black_Prince>nevyn, I used that one too :D
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19:36<lucario>I'm having audio issues as well :V
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19:38<lucario>My issue is prob. very easy to sort out
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19:39<lucario>But since my install, debian set my HDMI on my videocard to be my audio, as opposed to my actual soundcard. The mixer however only shows the HDMI and "Internal Audio Analog Stereo"
19:39<olivetree>nevyn, i'll check
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19:41<olivetree>nope nevyn
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19:41<nevyn>btw it's not pulse instead of alsa it's pulse as a component in your audio chain
19:41<nevyn>do you have anything in /dev/dvb ?
19:41<olivetree>nevyn, could it be some trouble with the kernel compilation?
19:41<olivetree>no
19:42<Black_Prince>olivetree, there is text file which lists what modules you need to have compiled in
19:42<olivetree>i have them installed.
19:42<olivetree>o loaded them all
19:43<olivetree>*i
19:43<Black_Prince>There should be a log file in users home directoy
19:43<olivetree>there is
19:43<Black_Prince>directory that is
19:43<Black_Prince>so, what does it say?
19:43<olivetree>whait
19:45<olivetree>a lot of info, but little regarding the tv card
19:45<nevyn>olivetree: what sort of capture card is it?
19:45<olivetree>it's a usb stick. TDT and analog plus radio with remote control
19:45<olivetree>h830 avermedia volar hybrid
19:45<nevyn>it almost certainly needs non-free firmware
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19:46<nevyn>have you installed firmware-non-free?
19:46<olivetree>yes, the drivers i downloaded are not free
19:46<nevyn>no.
19:46<nevyn>that's not an answer to my question,.
19:46<olivetree>no i haven't installed the non free firmware
19:46<nevyn>have you installed from debian the package that contains the non-free firmware from the non-free repository
19:46<Black_Prince>olivetree, paste that file to pastebin
19:46<nevyn>!non-free
19:46<olivetree>well i have installed for a usb wireless
19:46<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system run "aptitude search '~i~snon-free'". For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
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19:47<Black_Prince>nevyn, I am sure he said that he uses custom kernel, so surely I guess he didn't strip out non free firmware
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19:48<nevyn>olivetree: did you build your own kernel?
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19:49<olivetree>yep. downloaded the source and compiled it
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19:50<olivetree>i can't pasbin the file, because it's too large
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19:51<Black_Prince>upload it somewhere
19:51<Black_Prince>I am behind nat, I can't recieve dcc
19:52<olivetree>ohh :(
19:52<Black_Prince>olivetree, www.sendspace.co
19:52<Black_Prince>m
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19:52<olivetree>http://ifile.it/oqp807r
19:53<nikos>hi
19:53<olivetree>hi nikos []
19:53<Black_Prince>olivetree, it is gcc 4.6 default behaviour that is problem
19:54<olivetree>it is?
19:54<Black_Prince>It turns -Werror on by default, which should not be used by default
19:54<olivetree>why is that?
19:54<Black_Prince>cc1: some warnings being treated as errors
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19:55<olivetree>how can i resolve that?
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19:55<Black_Prince>Use another gcc, like 4.4 or 4.5
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19:56<olivetree>ok i'll try that :)
19:56<Black_Prince>or try overriding CFLAGS somehow
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19:56<olivetree>thanks :)
19:56<olivetree>i'll do that tomorrow :)
19:56<lucario>anyone here familiar with audio on unix?
19:57<lucario>rather, linux
19:57<lucario>herp
19:57*olivetree going to bed. Have a good night ;)
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19:57*olivetree vai para a cama. Grande Abraço a todos :)
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19:59<lucario>Guess not :(
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19:59<chealer>lucario: just ask your question
19:59<lucario>oh ok
19:59<lucario> since my install, debian set my HDMI on my videocard to be my audio, as opposed to my actual soundcard. The mixer however only shows the HDMI and "Internal Audio Analog Stereo"
20:00<quiron>hi!
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20:00<lucario>however, alsamixer shows a soundcard on IRQ 16, which after a quick lspci i find out that it might be my soundcard.
20:00<lucario>But alsamixer doesnt give me any volume control, and it doesn't show the proper name of the card at all as referenced on a few wiki articles
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20:02<lucario>after reading tutorials everywhere, i decide to do a simple force-relaod of alsa, but it fails, saying that a process is using audio, and the list of unstopped modules shows one that I think is the one for the soundcard i am trying to use
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20:03<lucario>thats where i'm at now. I don't know what to do to make my soundcard make the audio happen
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20:04<lucario>any help greatly appreciated <3
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20:06<lucario>oh the question. With the above stated, how do i do the soundy thing?
20:06<jankidudel>hi, unable to get exclusive lock.... can't solve it ? tried to list and kill my apt, dpkg processes, but it's useless, because their codes are changing very fas
20:06<jankidudel>rebooting gives nothing
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20:07<nyov>lucario: first, are you running pulseaudio, too?
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20:07<lucario>nyov: how would I check?
20:08<lucario>nyov: Tried running pulseaudio and it says the daemon is already running
20:08<nyov>ps aux | grep pulse, for example
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20:08<jankidudel>anybody knows how get back my aptitude to normal state ?
20:08<abrotman>remove lock file
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20:09<jankidudel>abrotman, /var/lock is empty
20:09<lucario>The process that prevents the alsa-reload from failing is pulseaudio, and yeah its running according to ps
20:09<nyov>lucario: aplay -l lists your devices?
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20:10*Black_Prince mourns over dpkg
20:11<lucario>it lists two cards, and from what aplay -l is showing, neither is the one i have
20:11<themill>he'll be back
20:11<nyov>Black_Prince: spamming without consequences :P
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20:11<Black_Prince>dpkg is 'he' ? :O
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20:12<cybersphinx>lucario: Assuming you never want to ude hdmi audio, type "lsmod|grep hdmi", that should give you the module. Then make a file in /etc/modprobe.d/, and put a line "blacklist <modulename>" there, and, to be save, another line that replaces the _ in the module name with -. Then run "update-initramfs -k all" and reboot.
20:12<nyov>lucario: need a driver module maybe?
20:12<themill>I'll also bring dselect in since dpkg is evidently having a bad night
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20:12<Black_Prince>poor dpkg ... He needs rest.
20:12<jankidudel>/var/lock is empty, i cannot update my system, it says "unable to get exclusive lock"
20:12<Black_Prince>dpkg's already on freenode ...
20:12<jankidudel>any solution ?
20:13<lucario>I think the module is loaded, thats one that shows up as the one i cant reload when i do "alsa-reload"
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20:13<lucario>I'll disable the heck out of the HDMI one to see if that will force alsa's hand to geef audio unto my card
20:13<Black_Prince>jankidudel, /var/lib/dpkg/lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
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20:14<nyov>lucario: do a force-reload, that will work but kill pa. pulseaudio is hogging it so it can't .
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20:15<lucario>nyov: i tried killing the pulseaudio process only to have it reload immediately before i can force-reload
20:15-!-mode/#debian [+o debhelper] by ChanServ
20:15<nyov>lucario: true. but force-reload should still happen
20:15<nyov>well, works for me
20:15<lucario>nyov: it doesn't reload everything. Tons of modules left still loaded according to the error messages
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20:16<dselect>Since dpkg seems to need a little time out for some stress relief, I'm here to help out. My address character is % and I have a copy of dpkg's brain. My database is, however, read-only.
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20:17<Hydroxide>that wording is surprisingly creepy ;-)
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20:17<abrotman>hehe
20:17<dselect>bwhahahah
20:17<Hydroxide>:P
20:17<abrotman>themill: he rejoined fn though ?
20:18<dselect>BRAAAAAAAINS!!!
20:18<themill>abrotman: yeah, dpkg seems to be bouncing
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20:18<nyov>:o
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20:19*dselect munches on Hydroxide's BRAAAINS for a bit
20:19*Hydroxide feels a tingling
20:19<lucario>im a bit of a nooblord, how do i make a file in /etc/modprobe.d and add the stuff to it :(
20:19<abrotman>light snack?
20:19*abrotman runs
20:20<abrotman>lucario: with a text editor like vi or nano
20:20<lucario>oh okay does it have to be a specific name or can i go wild
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20:21<nyov>except for *.conf it's up to you
20:21<lucario>horray
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20:26<themill>dpkg, hello
20:26<dpkg>salut
20:26*Black_Prince welcomes dpkg
20:27<lucario>nyov: okay i'll reboot and see if it werks :3
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20:28*dselect develops an inferiority complex because everyone wants to play with dpkg instead
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20:28<Black_Prince>dselect die
20:28<dselect>I'll murder you black_prince! Skin you alive and toss you in the great salt lake!
20:28<Black_Prince>:P
20:28<abrotman>wtf
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20:30<lucario>nyov: I love you <3
20:30<nyov>lucario: wasn't my idea, cybersphinx_ told you ;)
20:30<lucario>Tell him I send my love too <3
20:30<Black_Prince>abrotman, dselect is being agressive :(
20:30<abrotman>you deserve it
20:31<nyov>:D
20:31<Black_Prince>well, maybe ...
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20:31<Black_Prince>ok, I stop talking ...
20:31*dselect takes a pick-axe to Black_Prince in vengeance ....
20:32*Black_Prince runs like hell
20:32<lucario>Thanks so much nyov/cybersphinx <3 <3
20:33<lucario>now to see if i can get multimonitor to werk :V
20:33<cybersphinx_>lucario: You're welcome. I had a similar problem some time ago, when a kernel update introduced hdmi audio. Took me a while to find out what broke it...
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20:43<cybersphinx_>lucario: The change itself isn't that permanent, you can always remove the blacklist file again and rerun update-initramfs (though that'll reorder your sound devices again). It's just that if in a year or so you want to use hdmi audio, you might not remember having blacklisted the module.
20:43-!-skatakia [~skatoulia@athedsl-4549880.home.otenet.gr] has joined #debian
20:44<cybersphinx_>And you can even modprobe blacklisted modules manually.
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20:45<lucario>cybersphinx_: If the audio on my HDMI was any good, i have crummy cords :(
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20:48<lucario>Sauerbraten cant find my audio card, and i gotta reinstall my video drivers but apart from that everything works :D
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20:51<stax>has anyone played with custom firmware for actiontec pk5000
20:52<stax>maybe a debian install
20:52<stax>:D
20:52<stax>any resource links would be helpfull
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20:53<stax>:(
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20:53<stax>that sadns me
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20:53*akerl wouldn't risk breaking his routers
20:54<stax>I have a bunch of them
20:54<stax>i figured would be fun to throw apache or something like that on
20:55<stax>maybe the bsd people are more fun
20:55<stax>peace
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21:02<lucario>I got more issues :V
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21:21<edbian>Is the android SDK in the repos for Debian?
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21:27<abrotman>edbian: nope .. there's an RFP for it
21:27<edbian>What is an RFP ?
21:28<edbian>request for package
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21:28<edbian>thanks!
21:28<edbian>How long does it take to get a package into Debian repos? android has been out for a while now
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21:31<drewdavis>Depends on if someone volunteers to maintain the package.
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21:33<edbian>drewdavis: I see.
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21:33<edbian>I was under the impression the android SDK developers would be the ones submitting the android SDK and sort of imply that they want to maintain it.
21:34<vrkalak>Opinions: the liquorix kernel, the regular 686 kernel or the pae kernel, which would be better to use on a intel atom netbook?
21:34<abrotman>the liquorix kernel is not part of Debian
21:35<abrotman>edbian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=459219
21:35<abrotman>edbian: been in preparation for almost four years
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21:35<abrotman>oh, ti's an RFP now
21:36<vrkalak>abrotman: the Liquorix devs claim their kernel is optimized for debian
21:36<abrotman>uhhuh ..
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21:36<abrotman>anyway, we can't really comment on it ..
21:37<abrotman>you don't need the -pae unless you have more than 3GB RAM
21:37<abrotman>i use the standard -686 on my netbook, seems fine
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21:42<cybersphinx>Wasn't the 686 kernel without pae recently removed (in unstable), since pae offers no disadvantages?
21:42<abrotman>he didn't say which version he was using
21:43<abrotman>cybersphinx: there is a very very slight performance penalty
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21:44<caoxiaomin>ubuntu11.04 不能打开主文件是怎么回事
21:44<edbian>I need java. What package should I install?
21:44<MrFrood>!java
21:44<dpkg>Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net.
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21:46<edbian>so openjdk is the preferred open source java?
21:46<MrFrood>edbian: you know how to access dpkg factoids?
21:46<edbian>!ask
21:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:46<edbian>Like that?
21:47<MrFrood>more self tell /msg dpkg install java
21:47<edbian>a-ha
21:47<edbian>thanks
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22:16<subuser>hi, i just downloaded wodim from mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca , and it said 'Warning: cannot verify package: wodim', you figure that means i just downloaded some rootkitted software or something else?
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22:21<MrFrood>subuser: was it a deb file?
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22:22<subuser>i downloaded it with apt-get
22:22<subuser>so it must have been
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22:22<MrFrood>just means you have not got the gpg key for that mirror (I think)
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22:24<subuser>i have no other cdburning software, so i installed it, i'm not sure what kind of person would have the patience to do one of these man in the middle attacks on a end user, so i'm guessing it's the archive file
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22:24<MrFrood>subuser: did you get my last comment before you dropped off
22:25<MrFrood>just in case you did not
22:25<subuser>no
22:25<MrFrood>just means you have not got the gpg key for that mirror (I think)
22:25<subuser>oh, how do i update that?
22:25<MrFrood>is it an offical debian mirror?
22:25<subuser>i got it from the website, so it should be
22:26<MrFrood>wodim website or debian website
22:26<subuser>they also have openbsd i think
22:26<subuser>the debian website, for the ucalgary mirror
22:26<abrotman>subuser: you cna probably ingore it .. your keys are messed up
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22:27<subuser>that's good news
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22:28<MrFrood>abrotman: ta that saved me looking up the name of the key package
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22:29<abrotman>debian-archive-keyring
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22:29<abrotman>lookup?!
22:30<MrFrood>abrotman: I only install once per install :P
22:30<abrotman>so?
22:30<subuser>i already have that installed, and the manager is up to date
22:30<MrFrood>I don't memorise everything
22:31<subuser>so how could i have the messed up keyring?
22:31<abrotman>MrFrood: i don't intentionally
22:31<abrotman>subuser: aptitude updat;apt-get update .. try again
22:31<abrotman>subuser: sometimes the mirrors soil themselves
22:31<MrFrood>eww!
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22:47<subuser>so i have to go to their website and try to find their gpg key and import it to apt
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22:48<sney>subuser: the ucalgary mirror doesn't need a special apt key
22:48<sney>but sometimes they have unrelated errors. I keep a commented cdn.debian.net line in my sources.list for when cpsc.ucalgary.ca isn't working
22:54<subuser>ok, just so long as it's not the end of the world, lol, i just want to play with linux at my own pace
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22:54<subuser>not hunt down 256 hexadecimal number file's to manipulate with strange programs with 8000 page manuals' and 7 year university course prerequisites
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22:55<subuser>j/k, it's cool once i get the hang of things
22:56<subuser>thanks again, bye
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23:56<snubby>hmm
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23:58<sney>hm!
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