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---Logopened Wed Jun 29 00:00:36 2011
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00:54<stax>why dont you all go cat /dev/RANDOM>/dev/sda yourselves
00:55<stax>why dont you all go cat /dev/RANDOM>/dev/sda yourselves
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01:13<molly>I am seeking help.
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01:16<molly>#debian Do I have to put the name of the channel first?
01:16<molly>No, it seems not.
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01:21<caramida>shoot...wha is your problem?
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01:26<molly>I am trying to disable the "tap to click" feature. I have tried the things recommended in various internet discussions, but I think my situation is complicated by the fact that I am running Debian on a iBook.
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01:27<molly>It may also be relevant that I am using IceWM rather than Gnome.
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01:28<cthuluh>see gpointing-device-settings / synclient
01:29<jm_>molly: try changing synaptics config settings, there are plenty of them
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01:32<fralle>GnomePrint-WARNING **: Could not create filter from description 'frgba': filter 'frgba' is unknown <- somebody seen this?
01:33<fralle>u2ps chinese.txt -o <- gives me that...
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01:36<molly>gpointing-device-settings does not seem to offer a way to turn off tap-to-click.
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02:22<dpkg><bsssh> 4 is read, 2 - write, 1 - execute. According to UNIX god runs this world(777), yet devil can only read and write(666) >:P
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02:41<lindi-_>I wonder how long we are stuck to this *nix permission model :)
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02:52<nevyn>lindi-_: getfacl/setfacl ftw
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02:55<lindi-_>nevyn: nautilus does not seem to support those yet at least
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03:02<lindi-_>nevyn: also hmm, nfs does not support this?
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03:14<lindi-_>tested with nfs4 but I still get EOPNOTSUPP
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03:24<rtheys>lindi-_: nfs4 needs nfs4_setfacl :-/
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03:26<rtheys>is the file system on the server mounted with the 'acl' flag?
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03:35<lindi-_>not listed in mount output at least
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03:47<lindi-_>rtheys: adding that makes nfs4_getfacl list stuff
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03:48<rtheys>lindi-_: yes, stuff the man page will tell you all about. nfs4 acl's are much more complicated than the posix acl's and in IMHO a PITA to use
03:49<lindi-_>rtheys: can you recommend some other network fs? ;)
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03:49<rtheys>lindi-_: not really. nfs3 uses the setfacl/getfacl tools and they are way more understandable
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03:50<lindi-_>"A principal is either a named user (e.g., `') or group"
03:50<lindi-_>where does this come?
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03:57<rtheys>lindi-_: it's the domain you've set in /etc/idmapd.conf
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03:59<amanfromtheinternet>Hello. I've installed Debian with KDE. Notification says 'There are 3 updates available.', but no link is provided. How to install them?
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04:10<sheldonh>someone once told me that if i wanted to run a debian archive mirror, i'd have to make it publically accessible. i see no confirmation of this at, and i now think that he was talking about push mirrors. is clarification available?
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04:16<maxb>sheldonh: Sounds accurate. Given that the archive is publicly downloadable, it is of course possible to mirror it without restrictions
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04:18<maxb>Although, in many cases, you might be better off with an approx or apt-cacher-ng instance for internal uses
04:21<jyre>i see
04:21<sheldonh>maxb: i intend to replace squid, which replaced apt-cacher-ng, which replaced... :) i just get too many hosts in a state that can only be corrected by blowing away /var/lib/apt/lists and updating again
04:21<ansgar>sheldonh: There is no need to make a mirror public, might be true for push mirrors (maybe ask in #debian-mirror for that)
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04:21<sheldonh>ansgar: ta
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05:04<ckop64>hello, I'd like to prevent the 'floppy' module from loading at boot, since I have no floppy drive currently in my machine, so it causes a rather lengthy delay at bootup. how do I do that? I have the module 'floppy' blacklisted, but it still shows up in lsmod.
05:06<lindi-_>ckop64: delay?
05:06<ckop64>lindi-_: yeah, booting lasts a few seconds longer.
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05:07<cthuluh>ckop64: did you update-initramfs?
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05:08<lindi-_>ckop64: my squeeze systems in xen don't have floppy in lsmod at least
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05:08<ckop64>cthuluh: nope. I'll try.
05:10<Nemoder>might see if there is an option to disable it in the bios
05:12<jm_>ckop64: how did you blacklist it?
05:12<ckop64>I'll give a response on the effect as soon as updates finish.
05:13<ckop64>jm_ I put 'blacklist floppy' in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf.
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05:16<jm_>ckop64: if that doesn't work, do '/msg dpkg blacklist' and use the other method
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05:24<jeremiah_>I'd like to put reprepro behind and LDAP authentication.
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05:25<jeremiah_>Is there a way for apt-get (or dpkg) to be able to read a .netrc?
05:25<maria>yo soii españolaa
05:25<jm_>why would they care about that?
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05:30<scinl>I receive "File too large" errors when I try to mv using bash or move using xfe file manager... it looks like 4gb may be the maximum, why?
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05:31<scinl>oberon4mine: Hallo.
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05:34<itzurabhi>scinl: mayb its not compiled for 64bit capabilities
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05:34<kiran>Hello guys,
05:35<kiran>I am having a problem with my laptop
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05:35<scinl>itzurabhi: Why would I have to consider 64-bit computing, in any of this?
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05:36<Bushmills>scinl: to what file system?
05:36<kiran>I just installed Windows 7 after installing ubuntu 11.04... but what happened is I could not see grub menu
05:36<Bushmills>kiran: and what is your debian question?
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05:36<itzurabhi>scinl:i saw some c tutorial showing how read>3gb files using some special gcc compile parameters
05:37<scinl>itzurabhi: Basically any file I move from /foo/ to /bar/ has to be less than 4 gigs. Otherwise it makes the file 4gb and says File too large. I am running Debian Wheezy 486 on EXT4 filesystem
05:37<kiran>when I tried to install grub using live CD I was able to see ubuntu but cannot see windows 7 in grub menu
05:37<jm_>kiran: this channel is for help with Debian, not for Ubuntu
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05:37<zyxon>ok, so I had a kernel update which sorted out my blacklisting problem
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05:37<kiran>jm_, I thought deb channel can help us fixing grub.. isn't it?
05:38<zyxon>thanks for the replies, bb
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05:38<Bushmills>kiran: the debian channel could help with a grub problem with debian. it knows nothing of ubuntu grub or windows 7
05:39<itzurabhi>kiran:what os's do u have?
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05:39<kiran>itzurabhi, ubuntu 11,04 and windows 7
05:40<Bushmills>scinl: file system impose limits of maximum file sizes.
05:40<itzurabhi>kiran:is ubuntu installed or live cd?
05:40<Bushmills>some, such as fat32, allow 4 GiB as max size
05:40<kiran>ubuntu installed
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05:41<itzurabhi>kiran:install a program called Startup Manager from
05:42<scinl>Bushmills: Thank you very much - I've got two external HDDs, I'll format them ASAP.
05:42<kiran>itzurabhi, I did... what should I do next..
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05:43<itzurabhi>kiran:open it
05:44<kiran>itzurabhi, I did, but still in "Default Operating System" doesn't show me windows 7...
05:45<itzurabhi>kiran:it will give u some choices to configure default os and some other should detect windows
05:45<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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05:48<itzurabhi>kiran:note,this is a debian channel,so try avoid unrelated issues
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05:48<kiran>itzurabhi, Thank you.. let me try to fix this problem...
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06:05<lac>I am travelling, and using the wireless at a hotel. The DNS service it provides is old, slow, and buggy. So I edited /etc/resolv.conf to use (google) instead as a nameserver. My problem is that every minute or so the hotel's service notices this and reset the service to its old one.
06:06<lac>I read the page here
06:06<lindi-_>lac: are you using network manager?
06:06<lac>made a /etc/dhclient-enter-hooks
06:06<lac>I am not using network manager
06:06<Bushmills>lac: edit the configuration of your dhcp client
06:06<lac>but that did not fix the problem.
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06:07<lindi-_>lac: /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
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06:07<lac>Bushmill lindi_ thank you
06:07<lindi-_>lac: supersede domain-name-servers; # tell google everything that you do on the network :)
06:08<Bushmills>removing domain-name-servers from request should do
06:09<Bushmills>(to keep the manually set resolv.conf through dhcp requests)
06:10<lindi-_>I think it's really bad to have hardcoded dns servers like that in debian, even as a fallback
06:12<Bushmills>"hardcoded" in dhcp config, or in resolv.conf?
06:13<lindi-_>Bushmills: I'm talking about hardcodings in C code
06:13<lindi-_>filed a bug against that this year I think
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06:20<priyesh>using fail2ban-client, how do i unban an IP
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06:21<Bushmills>does the ip show in iptables?
06:22<priyesh>Bushmills: yes
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06:22<priyesh>i don'twant to do iptables -D JJJ
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06:22<priyesh>i know it's something like #fail2ban-client get ssh actionunban <IP>
06:22<priyesh>but that doesn't work
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06:29<lac>Ok, my /etc/resolv.conf was changed back to not . However the service still seems snappy. Thus changing /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf has the effect that all things will go through google regardless of what resolv.conf says? Or do I have some other problem?
06:30<Bushmills>no, not "all things", just that the dhcp request doesn't ask for a different recursive name server
06:30<Bushmills>resolv.conf is still what determines what name server is used
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06:31<themill>many applications will cache the lookup result
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06:31<Bushmills>the dhcp request either won't change resolv.conf, or set it to what you've specified in dhcp config
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06:34<lindi-_>Bushmills: actually if you install wine then it's recommends will pull libmdns-mdns which will do dns lookups via avahi :)
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06:35<lindi-_>Bushmills: this has bit me a few times on multiuser systems
06:36<albert>who know how to compile gcc4.6.1
06:36<Bushmills>lindi-_: possibly unless a WINS, maybe through samba, is available? afaik, windows resolving uses layer2 broadcasts
06:37<Myon>albert: apt-get source ; dpkg-buildpackage
06:37<lindi-_>Bushmills: avahi is not wins
06:37<lindi-_>Bushmills: any non-root user in the LAN can spoof your dns replies with it :)
06:38<Bushmills>wine may use a comparable mechanism to query hosts on the local net
06:38<Bushmills>zeroconf in this case
06:38<lac>themill: thank you
06:38<lindi-_>Bushmills: avahi is called zeroconf by some I think yes
06:38<Bushmills>i'm just guessing, as i don't have experience with neither windows nor wine
06:39<Bushmills>i did look at avahi, though
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07:25<itzurabhi>Can i install debian on my Nokia E71?
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07:27<lindi-_>itzurabhi: what processor does it have? ;)
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07:27<itzurabhi>arm,i think
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07:31<lindi-_>itzurabhi: you probably need a lot more specific information :)
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07:35<lindi-_>itzurabhi: you want to start by figuring out if anybody has even managed to run linux on it :)
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07:36<itzurabhi>i tried some search,but couldn't find anything
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07:39<abrotman>then perhaps it's not possible
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07:41<Black_Prince>I hope dscelect calmed down
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07:59<AdaptiveS>anyone know about Debian 6 amd64 running on Core2 quad... don't ask just the way it happened to end up :)
08:01<AdaptiveS>anyone alive ?
08:01<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
08:01<Black_Prince>Just be more specific
08:01<bluewater>nope , anyone went mad, so we shot him
08:01<weasel>he had it comming
08:02<AdaptiveS>well if people don't know no point asking.. so many RULES people just don't have time for...
08:02<AdaptiveS>well seriously... things are never just Simple... having trouble installing software :S:(
08:02<lindi-_>AdaptiveS: but if I don't know the question I don't bother to reply :)
08:03<AdaptiveS>apt-get keeps saying it's installed but nothing is actually available.. i am trying to understand what the problem is
08:03<nadir>which program?
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08:03<bluewater>apt-get update
08:03<AdaptiveS>i don't know what Specific Question to ask cause i dont' knwo what a specific one is :S:|
08:04<AdaptiveS>already done
08:04<AdaptiveS>and upgrade
08:04<AdaptiveS>atm it happens to be gcc, kde, & vino
08:05<AdaptiveS>none will install or say they are already upto date
08:05<AdaptiveS>but can't USE any of them
08:05<devil>AdaptiveS: kde does not exist, neither does gcc
08:05<AdaptiveS>ok then well that's something :).. so the point becomes how do you get them ? or what is the alternative ?:D
08:06<mrniceguy>i thougth using "apt-get install update" should handle that
08:06<devil>AdaptiveS: try with kde-standard
08:06<weasel>AdaptiveS: 'apt-get install gcc' says what?
08:06<AdaptiveS>do you want the specific message ?:S:|.. basically says it is already up to date
08:06<AdaptiveS>but no compiler can be found :S:|
08:06<weasel>AdaptiveS: what does 'which gcc' say?
08:07<mrniceguy>devil:do u know about mikrotik hotspot
08:07<jm_>i wonder why sometimes it's so hard to get useful information when helping people
08:08<devil>mrniceguy: never heard of
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08:09<AdaptiveS>weasel "nothing" it's blank :)
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08:09<mrniceguy>please every one I need to know how fix a section stealling problem on a mikrotik hotspot server
08:09<weasel>AdaptiveS: you broke something.
08:09<AdaptiveS>jm you have to work with people... it's a feedback thing
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08:10<AdaptiveS>it's a base install :S:|
08:10<weasel>jm_: probably because they just don't care
08:10<AdaptiveS>do i have to list every POSSIBLE thing i have tried before you will accept that it just isn't working ?
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08:10<weasel>AdaptiveS: 'isn't working' doesnt meant shit
08:10<weasel>ls -l /usr/bin/gcc*
08:10<mrniceguy>devil: help me on telnet
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08:12<AdaptiveS>right i will make a small ammendment yes you are correct GCC isn't available... however the gcc equivalent of what is it gcc-4.4-base is suppose to be
08:12<mrniceguy>devil: how to remotely control another computer using telnet
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08:12<weasel>AdaptiveS: can you actually answer my question?
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08:12<weasel>alternatively, just tell me that you won't and I'll stop wasting my time here
08:12<AdaptiveS>no such file or directory :D
08:13<weasel>dpkg -L gcc, dpkg -s gcc, dpkg -l gcc
08:13<dpkg>ii gcc, dpkg -s gcc, dpkg -l gcc 3.9-12 weasel's private porn collection
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08:13<weasel>paste the output of these things to
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08:15<AdaptiveS>i can tell you now .. all return the same thing ... NO SUCH FILE
08:15<weasel>they won't return that.
08:15<weasel>now go away, liar.
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08:16<AdaptiveS>then don't listen to what i am telling you... i am thinking that in the Squeeze Update they have seriously abandoned some packages to the point where you just can't install them :(
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08:16<weasel>you're wrong.
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08:17<mrniceguy>devil: thanks, but I am struck after I am conneted, no other comman appear to work
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08:17<AdaptiveS>gcc is not installed, gcc is not installed and no information is available, no packages found matching gcc.
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08:17<devil>mrniceguy: i have not used telnet in ages, so i wont be much help
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08:17<weasel>Wed 14:06:14 <weasel> AdaptiveS: 'apt-get install gcc' says what?
08:18<abrotman>AdaptiveS: did you install build-essential ? can we see your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
08:18<mrniceguy>devil: that fair
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08:18<mrniceguy>devil: so do u do networking
08:18<AdaptiveS>ok now i am getting in the general direction .. is there a sources.list entry i should look at adding ?
08:19<abrotman>AdaptiveS: show us yours .. use ?
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08:19<devil>mrniceguy: i use ssh
08:19<abrotman>AdaptiveS: we shouldn't be giving you new sources until we can see what oyu already have
08:19<AdaptiveS>weasel apt-get install gcc reports Package 'gcc' has no installaion candidate
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08:19<weasel>maybe you should have said that before.
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08:20<mrniceguy>devil: that's cool, so how do u connect to a remote computer using ssh
08:20<AdaptiveS>because i actually have some level of knowledge .. just there are oddities to this that aren't making sense...
08:20<abrotman>AdaptiveS: please paste that file in the pastebin
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08:20<weasel>you don't even know that error messages matter.
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08:21<jm_>maybe that's what he mean with "some leel of knowledge" - ignore error messages
08:21<devil>mrniceguy: ssh <domain> in the simplest case
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08:22<AdaptiveS>ok simple atm it is as the fundamental..
08:23<SynrG>security is not a full archive. it contains updates only
08:23<abrotman>AdaptiveS: if you paste the file, we can probably fix it in about two minutes
08:23<themill>AdaptiveS: we did ask to see the entire file in a pastebin...
08:23<abrotman>AdaptiveS: making us guess is a really really bad idea
08:23<weasel>you have one more chance to provide the requested information.
08:23<weasel>if you don't want to provide that you better leave
08:23<grove>AdaptiveS: Paste your ENTIRE sources.list so we don't have to guess what you mean by "as the fundamental" and what sources you have
08:23<AdaptiveS>working with you people is almost impossible... you want people to have so much knowledge BEFORE they start... and if i had that i would be here :)
08:24<mrniceguy>devil: how do u mean
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08:24<AdaptiveS>wouldn't even
08:24<abrotman>AdaptiveS: we want a single *important* file .. it is vitally important that file is correct
08:24<themill>AdaptiveS: no. you're being about as incooperative as you can get. Please start helping us help you.
08:24<weasel>let's stop here then
08:24<weasel>AdaptiveS: bye.
08:24<SynrG>AdaptiveS: no. we don't want you to have *any* knowledge. we just want information. information we've repeatedly asked for. information you've repeatedly refused to provide
08:24<AdaptiveS>never mind... clearly i will have to WADE through the Tonnes of out of date sites and howtos to find a possible answer :(
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08:25<weasel>came back to paste your sources.list file?
08:25<abrotman>AdaptiveS: okay .. stop being argumentative .. we're asking for a single file
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08:25<AdaptiveS>yeah that's mature.. kick they guy who's here for help... again you fail on basic help and WORKING WITH SOMEONE
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08:25<abrotman>AdaptiveS: if you provide that file, we can probably sol
08:25<abrotman>never fucking mind ..
08:26<mrniceguy>themill: remote exploit, please I need to know about security
08:27<SynrG>mrniceguy: please do not choose random people to ask questions. address the channel.
08:27<SynrG>mrniceguy: please also ask *intelligent* questions. your last one to themill had nearly zero content
08:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:28<mrniceguy>thanks, I think I know the rules now
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08:30<mrniceguy>there is a section stealing vunerability on my mikrotik hotspot, I need help on how to fix it
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08:57<lifedj>E' la prima volta ke mi connetto sul canale debian x kiedere assistenza, quindi se sbaglio qualcosa vi prego di dirmelo!!! ;-)
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08:57<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
08:58<lifedj>Ok, thank you very much! I will change channel immediately
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09:01<cthuluh>well, you can still speak english here :)
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09:04<screenn>is transcend usb 3.0 card ts-pdu3/ts-pnu works in debian with 3 2.6.32-5-686 kernel?
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09:22<Error667>hey everybody !
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09:23<abrotman>screenn: do you know the driver it uses?
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09:47<screenn>abrotman, I think xhci_hcd, because have this errors after connect device:
09:47<screenn>[ 313.804018] xhci_hcd 0000:03:00.0: Timeout while waiting for a slot
09:47<screenn>[ 313.804023] hub 1-0:1.0: couldn't allocate port 1 usb_device
09:47<screenn>[ 313.804058] hub 1-0:1.0: cannot disable port 1 (err = -32)
09:48<abrotman>that doesn't look like it's supported
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09:51<themill>way to go debhelper
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09:56<screenn>abrotman I thought linux well support usb 3.0 devices, why it doesn't looks supported?
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09:56<abrotman>screenn: try the kernel
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09:58<Wyzard>screenn: USB3 is fairly new, and although Linux has a driver for XHCI, it's probably based mostly on the XHCI spec and not much on actual experience with XHCI hardware
09:58<Wyzard>screenn: Real hardware can have quirks and bugs that a driver has to work around
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10:03<screenn>Wyzard so backports kernel will help?
10:04<Wyzard>It may
10:04<Wyzard>A newer kernel may have workarounds for problems discovered with real hardware
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10:05<screenn>I upgraded my system to latest stable kernel
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10:11<screenn>Wyzard I'm not sure this device supported in linux, why you think it's supported in backport, where can I check it?
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10:13<Wyzard>I don't know whether it's supported by a newer kernel -- the backports kernel might still not work
10:13<Wyzard>but it's worth trying
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10:14<Wyzard>If you want to research whether it's supported, you can search the web for its model name or PCI ID together with the word "linux"
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10:14<Wyzard>That usually finds anything relevant
10:14<gnugr>Wyzard: yes you can get new kernel with backports
10:15<gnugr>!bpo kernel
10:15<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via Ask me about <bdo> to add to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 See also <bdo kernel lenny>.
10:15<Wyzard>gnugr: The question is whether the newer kernel will correctly support screenn's USB3 controller
10:15<gnugr>oh ok
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10:23<gnugr>Wyzard: you're right no such kernel modules to support USB3 controller, on linux
10:24<screenn>I heard that linux supports usb 3.0
10:25<Zaba>it does
10:25<Wyzard>xhci-hcd is the driver
10:25<gnugr>screenn: i only found this, read it :
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10:26<screenn>so transcend ts-pdu3/ts-pnu3 should works
10:26<Wyzard>Looks like it's called just "xhci" in squeeze's kernel
10:29<Black_Prince>Ah, boots still seem depressed.
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10:32<gnugr>Wyzard: "xhci" was with lenny bpo iirc
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10:33<Wyzard>gnugr: I just checked on a squeeze system
10:34<gnugr>i did too with " lsmod | grep xhci " but nothing
10:34<Wyzard>That just means you don't have it loaded
10:34<Wyzard>Try /sbin/modinfo xhci
10:34<Wyzard>or find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name "*xhci*"
10:34<gnugr>i c
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10:35<Wyzard>lsmod shows drivers that are actually loaded in the running kernel, not all that are available as .ko files on disk
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10:37<gnugr>there it is: " /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686/include/config/usb/xhci
10:37<gnugr> "
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10:38<screenn>lsmod | grep xhci
10:38<Black_Prince>There is /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/usb/host/xhci.ko
10:38<screenn>xhci 29221 0
10:39<screenn>usbcore 98613 4 ohci_hcd,ehci_hcd,xhci
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10:39<screenn>I have loaded this modules
10:39<gnugr>sreenn: that means it exists
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10:39<Wyzard>screenn: The kernel message you pasted earlier was from that driver
10:39<Wyzard>[ 313.804018] xhci_hcd 0000:03:00.0: Timeout while waiting for a slot
10:40<Wyzard>so it exists and it's loaded, it's just not working correctly for your hardware
10:40<Zaba>try a newer kernel, perhaps?
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10:40<gnugr>there are modules missing i guess
10:40<Wyzard>It *should* -- there are no card-specific drivers for USB3 afaik, everything implements XHCI
10:40<noddingGeek>Anyone else have any issues with ssh logins taking > 6 seconds on squeeze?
10:41<Wyzard>just like EHCI with USB2
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10:41<shiloh25>does anyone know if there is a program to follow, track qand log my internet/isp connection?
10:42<themill>noddingGeek: sounds like a dns timeout. You can try "UseDNS no" in your sshd_config.
10:42<noddingGeek>does anyone know how to resolve the issue? It makes me want to throw my machine against my cube wall repeatedly.
10:42<noddingGeek>themill, I'll give that a shot.
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10:43<themill>(I assume it's the remote machine that has the DNS timeout looking up your client hostname; it could always be the other way around though. use "ssh -v hostname" to check that)
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10:44<noddingGeek>ah this is what I got:
10:45<noddingGeek>googlin now.
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10:47<gnugr>screenn: please also read this: " "
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10:48<screenn>how I understand in the new kernel same driver and no guarantees it will works, maybe there is hardware problem
10:49<Wyzard>screenn: The problem is likely either a bug in the driver, or a bug in the hardware that the driver doesn't have a workaround for
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10:49<screenn>yeah, I'm not sure it's a really working device, didn't chek it before
10:50<Wyzard>In either case, the solution is to fix the driver
10:50<Wyzard>That fix might have been done already, and available in a newer released kernel, or it might not have been done at all, so that even the latest released kernel won't work with that hardware
10:50<noddingGeek>setting: GSSAPIAuthentication=no seems to have fixed the issue but I am not sure what the implications are to doing this.
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10:52<themill>noddingGeek: never touched that... that's the default anyway. ("man sshd_config" has further details)
10:53<noddingGeek>themill, The default way? Hehe I'm guessing GSSAPIAuthentication yes is the default way as this is a brand new install.
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10:56<themill>noddingGeek: hmm... not here. The ssh config file comes with "#GSSAPIAuthentication no" and the default value for that setting is "no".
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10:56<pq>hi, what is the proper procedure to submit a question here?
10:56<themill>pq: just ask!
10:57<noddingGeek>themill, hehe maybe my install media had some small mythical beings in it that changed things up a bit.
10:57<themill>noddingGeek: which debian release is this with?
10:58<pq>do you know of a cloning tool that supports ext4?
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10:58<noddingGeek>themill, squeeze
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10:59<themill>noddingGeek: it's not a custom install disk for your site? GSSAPI is the sort of thing that you might enable across a large set of desktops
10:59<ZykoticK9>pq, "cloning" is typically filesystem independent. Clonezilla perhaps?
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11:00<noddingGeek>themill, Nope it is not custom hehe.
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11:01<pq>that's what i thought, that they do not depend on filesystem, however norton ghost keeps telling me that the file system is corrupt though both debian and the disk are fresh
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11:01<pq>thanks anyway\
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11:14<Bushmills>pq: it may be exactly that - a warning -, because norton stuff probably doesn't know about ext file systems
11:15<Bushmills>might be read as "can't read file system but will make bitwise copy anyway"
11:15<Bushmills>"read" as in "understand what's in there"
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12:25<LuisV>hi there [_]P
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12:26<screenn>gnugr, Wyzard it works with 3.0 rc5 kernel
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12:35<gnugr>screenn: great, let us know how you did that
12:35<screenn>gnugr, Wyzard 03:00.0 USB Controller: NEC Corporation uPD720200 USB 3.0 Host Controller (rev 04)
12:35<screenn> -> it works with 3.0.0-rc5-686-pae (when you decide to buy this device)
12:35<screenn>installed kernel from experimental
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12:37<screenn>check this kernels - old - Linux podol-backup 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Mon Jun 21 05:58:44 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
12:37<screenn>new - Linux podol-backup 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Jun 13 04:13:06 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
12:37<screenn>backports - Linux podol-backup 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 #1 SMP Tue Jun 14 11:43:18 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux, -> it doesn't works with this device regardless has xhci module
12:38<screenn>and only 3.0 sure supports it
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12:43<xian>Everyone, I have a question. Just updated a web server from lenny to squeeze, and now when I access a url it works, but (with trailing slash) it gives me a 403.
12:43<xian>I'm under the impression that php should handle the trailing slash -- some site development stuff like cakephp depends on it. Any thoughts?
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12:46<abrotman>xian: you may want to ask ##php on freenode what controls that
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12:47<xian>abrotman: Thanks. I'll try it
12:47<abrotman>xian: if they can tell you why/what controls that, we might be able to tell you how to fix it
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12:49<Black_Prince>I guess that .htaccess controls that
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12:50<Black_Prince>mod_rewrite, to be honest, which isn't enabled in default instalation.
12:50<Black_Prince>you need to run a2enmod mod_rewrite
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12:55<xian>Yep. I've got rewrite enabled and nothing should have changed in my configs, just the os/package version
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12:55<feldmaus>Kann mich mal Jemand anflüstern? Ich wollte mein beep unter irssi testen
12:55<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
12:56<feldmaus>wrong channel
12:56<daemonkeeper>"anflüstern"? Are we on Facebook yet?
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12:56<feldmaus>i still activated my beep
12:56<feldmaus>and wanted to test it
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13:12<kristianpaul>Hi, some body know a web interface for dpkg?
13:12<kristianpaul>mostly for acepting rejecting updates
13:12<themill>kristianpaul: can you elaborate?
13:13<kristianpaul>yeah, i mean
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13:14<kristianpaul>by a web interface be able to appling updates for singles packages
13:14<kristianpaul>like a check box
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13:14<kristianpaul>with and aply button
13:14<lindi->kristianpaul: something like the non-free canonical landscape?
13:14<kristianpaul>hum, well i dont know in detailt what it does
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13:15<kristianpaul>but in the end i just need just a like-checkbox interface for aplying slective updates
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13:16<kristianpaul>i mean update for certain packages not the whole bunch at once
13:16<daemonkeeper>Sounds like landscape indeed
13:16<kristianpaul>let me read more about that landscape first ;)
13:19<dpkg>Domain Technologie Control (DTC) is a GPL-licensed web hosting control panel. Packaged for Lenny as dtc-toaster. Not available for Squeeze due to Debian bug #566650.
13:19<abrotman>oh, nevermind!
13:20<Black_Prince>This is the part where you should write /me whispers and goes away
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13:21<kristianpaul>not is not, well kinda
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13:22<kristianpaul>but in my case i need it to allow my client to apply some specific updatesi'm making avaliable trought a custom repository
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13:23<kristianpaul>the thing is legally i cant push updates to him
13:23<kristianpaul>not is not, well kindae enought to him click/check and apply
13:23<kristianpaul>but in my case i need it to allow my client to apply some specific updatesi'm making avaliable trought a custom repository
13:24*kristianpaul whispers and goes away
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13:26<cryptdir>i like to limit vlan on freebsd
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13:26<lindi->cryptdir: limit vlan?
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13:27<lindi->cryptdir: I only know how to do that on linux so far :/
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13:28<daemonkeeper>lindi-, cryptdir (should work)
13:28<lindi->cryptdir: but brige it with and I'm sure it will slow down
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13:53<Guest325>I'm new to Ubuntu and trying to figure out how to properly install my graphics driver, and play windows games using wine.
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13:55<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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13:57<daemonkeeper>Oh, no. Another guest that was.
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13:57<Black_Prince>That was my first tought. Only one number differs ... doh
13:57*retrospectacus had to triple check as well :)
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14:07<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on
14:08<rebyk>alguien habla castellano??
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14:08<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:09<dpkg>somebody said ar was argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on
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14:13<Enox4>How can I mount a fdisk partition that's on a LVM snapshot? I create a snapshot called "tmp", and tmp contains a partition table but i don't see how to access it?
14:13<daemonkeeper>Well, as every other volume
14:13<Enox4> /dev/brace/tmp1 doesn't exist
14:13<Enox4>That's how I'd normally do it?
14:14<daemonkeeper>How did you create your snapshot?
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14:14<Enox4>lvcreate -L10G -s -ntmp_fserver_backup /dev/brace/fserver_root
14:14<daemonkeeper>So its name is /dev/<volgroup>/tmp_fserver_backup
14:14<daemonkeeper>brace I presume
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14:15<Enox4>I can even fdisk it :0
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14:15<daemonkeeper>Wait, you mean you have partitions _on_ this volume?
14:15<daemonkeeper>i.e. its used like a full hard disk?
14:15<Enox4>Unfortunately the linux installer made a single partition
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14:15<Enox4>Because it doesn't want to use a full disk as a full disk.
14:16<Enox4>I seem to recall it being improper not to create a partition table for a machine, so no surprise there.
14:16<Enox4>This is a machine running inside kvm.
14:16<daemonkeeper>I see, so your real question is, how to access the volume being in a partition on this volume?
14:16<Enox4>There's no LVM on it, at least. So I just need to mount the 1st partition
14:17<jmmccune>I have a question regarding upgrading a Xen dom0 from Lenny -> Squeeze. I've previously configured LVM and software raid. dom0 lives on /dev/md0. Following the upgrade (with lots of help from and elsewhere), the new dom0 kernel boots fine into Linux alone, but on top of xen-4.0 cannot find the root filesystem. It drops to the busybox shell.
14:17<Enox4>(and make sure my virtual machines in the future do NOT make a partition table for no good reason.)
14:17<daemonkeeper>Either use mount with an offset then, or use kpartx which does create links for you the lazy way
14:17<jmmccune>I've tried with root=/dev/md0 and with root=UUID=...
14:17<Enox4>Where can I get documentation about offset?
14:18<lindi->jmmccune: grub2?
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14:18<jmmccune>The upgrade also took me to grub2, which I'm slightly less familiar with.
14:18<Enox4>The partition start=1 end=2611
14:18<valdyn>Enox4: man partx btw
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14:18<jmmccune>lindi-: yes
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14:18<lindi->jmmccune: I think I have four such machines. squeeze, grub2, md
14:19<Enox4>So partx will make devices?
14:19<Enox4>And it won't freak out when I implode the snapshot later?
14:19<jmmccune>lindi-: encouraging :)
14:19<daemonkeeper>Enox4: Its a bit of fiddling, use mount -o offset=X with x being $start_pos * $block_size, but use kpartx
14:19<daemonkeeper>kpartx is the lazy way
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14:19<Enox4>This is a backup script, and the partition table won't change.
14:19<lindi->the non-deprecated new and shiny way :)
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14:19<Enox4>So I'll just to start_pos*blocksize :)
14:19<Enox4>I'm a little afraid partx might freak out when I snatch a volume out from under it.
14:20<daemonkeeper>kpartx won't
14:20<Enox4>So when I delete the snapshot? NO freaking out?
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14:20<valdyn>Enox4: this is only a program that can notify the kernel
14:20<Enox4>Wait is kpartx a guy?
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14:20<jmmccune>I'm not sufficiently experienced with software raid and grub2 to really understand what's wrong
14:20<daemonkeeper>It just creates some links, no voodoo
14:20<lindi->jmmccune: can you put all the boot output online somewhere?
14:20<jmmccune>in another hour or so I could do that
14:20<lindi->jmmccune: and list of installed packages maybe also
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14:21<jmmccune>..and tht
14:21<daemonkeeper>kpartx scans your volume for partitions and creates devices like /dev/volgroup/volumep1 for partition 1 on volume in volume group volgroup
14:21<Enox4>Ok, kpartx found the partition.
14:21<Enox4>I see no magically created device tho
14:21<valdyn>Enox4: removing a block device under the kernel has never been harmful
14:21<Enox4>Sorry, partx, not kpartx.
14:21<Enox4>Do I need kpartx instead?
14:21<valdyn>Enox4: it looks like a kde gui
14:21<valdyn>Enox4: ( the name does )
14:21<Enox4>Valdyn- Sure does. :) I'm in a script, so gui is bad.
14:21<daemonkeeper>valdyn: Its no gui at all
14:22<daemonkeeper>k in this case stands for kernel
14:22<Enox4>Wow that was easy.
14:22<Enox4>The "k" scared me, sorry.
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14:25<Enox4>So it says it creates a device, but I don't see it.
14:25<Enox4>Ahh, got it.
14:25<jmmccune>lindi-: actually, I can do the packages, and I can give you the successful linux boot messages now, but I would need to go hook up a serial cable to get the failed boot messages.
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14:26<lindi->jmmccune: you can also use digital camera
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14:27<jmmccune>lindi-: here's my packages:
14:28<jmmccune>(output of dpkg -l)
14:28<Enox4>Thanks a lot, I never would have found kpartx! :)
14:29<hilander-tux>which are the best and faster repos on debian to latam
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14:30<daemonkeeper>hilander-tux: Depends on your location. You can install etselect-apt to tell the fastest mirror for you
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14:32<hilander-tux>i am in colombia what repos do you recommend me
14:32<dpkg>Debian mirror sites are listed at and ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
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14:32<daemonkeeper>hilander-tux: perhaps. However, as said, use netselect-apt
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14:33<jmmccune>lindi-: good point on the camera, though i'm no longer right in front of the machine
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14:49<PekopT>hello all!
14:49<PekopT>need help with debian6 & php5.3 downgrading
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14:49<PekopT>хто нить может помочь?)))
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14:52<hilander-tux>thanks are the repos provided by my university would be very fast when i am in the campus
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14:53<PekopT>need help with debian6 & php5.3 downgrading
14:53<dpkg>Russian speakers, please talk (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
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15:09<sml>quickie. is totem-plugin-airplay available for Debian?
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15:12<vrkalak>I am currently using Linux vrkalak-debian 2.6.39-generic kernel ... anyone tried the Linux 3.0 kernel yet?
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15:22<sml>can anyone recommend a Debian friendly nano wirless USB? Am looking at Edimax EW-7811 UN..
15:22<anonfriese>hi guys
15:23<anonfriese>is there an script/app that sends an notification via libnotify for every new device plugged in (especially via usb, but not only mass storage.)?
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15:27<Ionic>Hi, is there really no way to install Debian via WiFi/WPA using the debian-installer yet?
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15:28<Ionic>I'm seeing a list post marking it as due for wheezy D-I but other than that, no information available
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15:28<lindi->Ionic: afaik it's not possible yet
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15:30<vangelis>anonfriese: is this what you're looking for? " "
15:30<anonfriese>well thats libnotify, yes
15:30<anonfriese>i think ill need to make an udev-rule
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15:31<Ionic>The current testing netinstaller doesn't seem to include it yet either :(
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15:32<sml>anyone here use totem?
15:32<Ionic>Seems like I have to tether my mobile phone and using the WEP hostap option, argh
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15:33<Ionic>Oh wait, it can't do WEP, just none or WPA2, uhm..
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15:38<SynrG>Ionic: or else do a base install, netless, then configure network and install the rest of the system afterwards.
15:38<SynrG>(apologies if this is too later or out of context, composed blindly on the bus between hotspots)
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15:40<Ionic>SynrG: well uhm, I guess the base install doesn't come with the packages needed for that :)
15:41<Ionic>Ok... interesting, I configured my phone to act as an WLAN AP with no security, but dhcp doesn't seem to be working, now that's weird
15:43<sml>how do I find out what support a binary has ? i..e check for python support in totem
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15:44<daemonkeeper>loceur_wee: Why not? netinst is sufficient to get a fully working system, including wpa-supplicant?
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15:48<Ionic>Ok, very interesting indeed, re-running device detection made it work
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15:48<Ionic>daemonkeeper: does it? Dunno :)
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15:49<sml>has squeeze changed things so that commands no longer follow symlinks?
15:49<sml>by that I mean, if I do cd blah where blah is a symlink I get NO such file or directory
15:49<daemonkeeper>Ionic: It dos. baseinstall installs you a minimal, but full-featured system suitable to install everything further you are interested in
15:49*daemonkeeper wonders what happend to the keyboard
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15:53<sml>other than getting a source package and looking in debian/rules is there any way to find out with which options a package was compiled?
15:54<Ionic>Ok, thanks
15:54<daemonkeeper>sml: Some binaries support to display compile time options, besides no
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15:55<sml>daemonkeeper: yes, I've seen that. OK thanks
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15:59<jmmccune>lindi-: boot messages at
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16:00<Ionic>sml: actually, you may want to take a look at pkg-config
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16:02<daemonkeeper>pkg-config is for libraries only.
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16:03<Ionic>May be enough for his needs though
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16:06<jmmccune>should the UUID's in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf for a software RAID volume match those in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ ?
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16:06<SpeedyG>hi, i'm having multiple virtual servers running and would like to create some form of secure centralized authentication.... what would be the recommended solution for that ?
16:07<lindi->jmmccune: hmm
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16:07<lindi->jmmccune: what do you see with "ls /dev/xvd*" in that shell?
16:07<Guest347>Hi guys, just trying out LUbuntu. Can anyone give me a quick tip to create desktop launchers?
16:07<Ionic>SpeedyG: hostapd can act as an RADIUS server, if that's what you need
16:07<lindi->jmmccune: ah sorry, /dev/sd* probably since that's dom0
16:07<SpeedyG>Ionic: not really sure what I need.... well, in terms of what package
16:08<jmmccune>assuming you mean the busybox shell...
16:08<SpeedyG>what I basically want is one system to perform authentication for all systems here
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16:08<Ionic>SpeedyG: define authentication ;)
16:08<SpeedyG>Ionic: ssh login mainly
16:08<SpeedyG>on all *nix boxes
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16:08<SpeedyG>and if possible, even on windows.. but that's not required with only one windows box
16:09<SpeedyG>oh, and some integrated solution with my KDE login on my desktop
16:10<Black_Prince>Damn, why they must write tomboy in C#
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16:12<SpeedyG>Ionic: hm, given that it runs in the application layer, that should be able to do the trick
16:13<jmmccune>lindi-: there is nothing named /dev/sd*, /dev/x*, or /dev/md*. There are a bunch of tty's and some other stuff, including a lot of hvc*
16:13<Ionic> though I fail to see hostapd in there for some reason
16:13<daemonkeeper>RADIUS is primarily to control network access of a given host
16:14<daemonkeeper>For central _authentication_ you may really want LDAP
16:14<Ionic>Oh yeah, or something like this
16:14<SpeedyG>daemonkeeper: only 'issue' with LDAP is that it's not secure by nature... with plaintext user/pass over the network
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16:14<Ionic>Kerberos, LDAP, whatsoever
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16:15<daemonkeeper>SpeedyG: Well, this really depends on your setup.
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16:15<jmmccune>lindi-: want to make sure you saw my question about the UUID's as well
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16:16<lindi->jmmccune: ok, if the kernel does not see the disks then uuids are not your only problem
16:16<SpeedyG>daemonkeeper: what do you mean exactly?
16:16<SpeedyG>daemonkeeper: asin, in combination with kerberos it'd be safe.. but on its own LDAP would not be right?
16:16<lindi->jmmccune: 'dmesg | grep sd'
16:18<daemonkeeper>SpeedyG: LDAP is a deep data trash store. What you store is up to you, how you secure access as well. In fact its rather easy to encrypt and authenticate by using LDAP even without Kerberos
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16:18<jmmccune>lindi-: nothing. Although dmesg has a bunch of errors about sata_nv failing
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16:19<SpeedyG>daemonkeeper: do you know of any good how-to (or similar) Documents for that? i've been googling for a while already but most links point to combination of kerberos and LDAP
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16:20<daemonkeeper>SpeedyG: You could use SSL (with client authentication) or more complicated single sign on approaches
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16:20<lindi->jmmccune: aha, that might be a clue
16:21<SpeedyG>daemonkeeper: thanks, i'll start looking into those things now
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16:22<lindi->jmmccune: I wrote so that I can access the initramfs environment over network easily
16:22<lindi->jmmccune: it's not exactly production ready but it's quite simple
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16:26<jmmccune>lindi-: before I try that, let me get a serial dump
16:26<chrisign>hello out there, what about the package nvidia-kernel-270.41.06?
16:27<chrisign>I need it for my nvidia-glx driver, but it absent
16:27<rsmith>anybody remember the link with all the debian kernel config files for all archs? My googling is falling short.
16:28<berarma>chrisign, install nvidia-kernel-dkms
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16:29<lindi->jmmccune: you should be able to just use netcat from the initramfs
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16:30<jmmccune>lindi-: can you elaborate please?
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16:32<chrisign>berarma: yeah, I read about it:
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16:32<chrisign>but why nvidia-glx still demands nvidia-kernel-270.41.06?
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16:33<lindi->jmmccune: you can setup networking by typing commands on the initramfs prompt
16:33<lindi->jmmccune: this way you can send dmesg over network
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16:33<chealer>chrisign: nvidia-kernel-270.41.06 is a virtual package
16:33<chealer>!tell chrisign about ngd
16:34<chrisign>chealer: thanks
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16:34<Ionic>Anywho thanks all
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16:35<chealer>rsmith: did you see ?
16:35<berarma>!tell berarma about ngd
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16:35<chealer>!tell berarma about selftell
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16:36<berarma>thanks, I'll do
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16:38<Fpunch>hey guys I am looking for a way to grep lines with \\ in them.
16:38<jmmccune>lindi-: neat, I hadn't realized the busybox environment was that rich. Anyways, I'm pretty good with a serial port, so here are all the Xen and Linux boot messages:
16:38<Fpunch>sorry for the enter there***** I have tried "\\" but get errors.
16:38<lindi->jmmccune: It's quite rich. I've mounted stuff over NFS to the initramfs and then chrooted to those NFS mounts to start X :P
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16:40<lindi->jmmccune: your problem is clearly this '"sata_nv: probe of 0000:00:05.0 failed with error -38"'
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16:41<jmmccune>lindi-: strange that it works without Xen, no?
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16:42<lindi->jmmccune: bit
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16:49<jmmccune>lindi-: that doesn't seem like the exact problem; I don't have any of the PNP / iomem messages
16:49<jmmccune>lindi-: seems like the root cause may be that the kernel gave up on ACPI?
16:49<jmmccune>lindi-: would you like to see the happy dmesg when the ordinary kernel boots?
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16:53<jmmccune>lindi-: here is the dmesg output of a successful linux (without Xen) boot:
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16:59<NET>hi wolf
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17:00<wolf>hi NET
17:00<NET>hi argold
17:00<berarma>what's the /root/.rpmdb directory for?
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17:04<Jarlaxe>hi there ! i'm just stuck with a sound issue on a eeepc 1000he (testing, lxde), after an upgrade from the 2.6.38 to the 2.6.39. I mutted the sound via acpi (fn+F10), then resumed it, no sound anymore. I tried play with alsa, relanch the module, but still no soud. Any hint ?
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17:05<CoaxVex>Jarlaxe: isn't there some ncurses config thing called alsaconfig M
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17:05<CoaxVex>yeah, alsaconf
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17:05<NET>will use databases located in /var/lib/rpm (or /root/.rpmdb on Ubuntu 10.10); will keep track of the packages installed by the STLinux distribution ...
17:06<NET>@berarma: will use databases located in /var/lib/rpm (or /root/.rpmdb on Ubuntu 10.10); will keep track of the packages installed by the STLinux distribution ...
17:06<CoaxVex>ah damn, "alsaconf was removed from alsa-utils at 1.0.17-1. From the package changelog: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards."
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17:08<berarma>NET, nothing related to DKMS?
17:08<Jarlaxe>CoaxVex: indeed, no sign of alsaconf... damned ! i'm stuck !!!
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17:10<CoaxVex>Jarlaxe: alsactl init
17:10<berarma>got this when updating nvidia drivers in SID
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17:11<berarma>jared0x90, have you tried alsamixer?
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17:16<dpkg>alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at version 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <default alsa>. See also /usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/NEWS.Debian.gz
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17:19<jmmccune>lindi-: I now see that the BIOS in this system is ancient, and has ACPI as a configurable option. The system freezes before grub if I enable ACPI. Perhaps if I go to a newer BIOS ACPI will work and the SATA controller will be auto-detected in a sane way
17:19<rsmith>chealer: thanks! that's what I was looking for
17:19<Jarlaxe>CoaxVex: bingo ! it works ! i gonna read this alsactl ! i can go to bed now ! thanks a lot !
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17:36<CoaxVex>Jarlaxe: sleep tight ;-)
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17:58<vidkun>when i try to start up synaptic to install the latest upgrades the accursed thing consumes 100% cpu and hangs...any explanation for this ridiculously crappy behaviour?
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18:04<chealer>vidkun: which Debian suite do you use?
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18:07<vidkun>chealer: squeeze, but i suspect pigdin unstable might be responsible for things screwing up now
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18:12<lifedj>I'm having problem with updates
18:12<lifedj>If i try to get updates the system says
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18:15<Black_Prince>change your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to not
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18:19<lifedj>i modified file /etc/apt/sources.list
18:20<lifedj>but now in the settings of Update Manager
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18:20<lifedj>exist only 2 server: italian servers
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18:20<lifedj>what can i do?
18:21<Black_Prince>in 3rd party software?
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18:22<devil>lifedj: please put LANG=C in front of your commands, then you get english output we can read
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18:23<devil>and as Black_Prince said, its deb
18:23<lifedj>yes in 3rd party software
18:24<Black_Prince>lifedj, those aren't 3rd party software. Those are official ones.
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18:24<lifedj>but what i can't understand is that it can't find updates even if I did'nt check for them from yesterday
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18:25<Black_Prince>lifedj, debian is stable distribution.
18:25<Black_Prince>lifedj, it just recieves security updates.
18:25<CyL>Is it safe to mount /var with noexec option?
18:28<pickcoder>CyL: that depends on whether or not you have executables in /var/www/
18:29<pickcoder>I can't think of any application that would need X perms in /var/ apart from misplaced cgi scripts
18:29<pickcoder>you'll find out, though.. :)
18:29*Black_Prince thinks that nodev is best option to mount /var with :P
18:29<CyL>pickcoder: well, that raises another question, as I understand, the FHS states that this kind of data should got into /srv. Also, I had some problems with apt when running /var noexec
18:30<retrospectacus>try running find /var -type f -executable
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18:30<retrospectacus>many many /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst
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18:30<chealer>vidkun: did you check the BTS?
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18:31<CyL>retrospectacus: so, better leave it with execution permissions...
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18:31<pickcoder>CyL: actually CGI scripts should go under /usr/lib/cgi-bin
18:31<pickcoder>but that doesn't mean that a source install won't put stuff under /var/www/
18:32<CyL>pickcoder: I mean www data
18:32<retrospectacus>CyL: I'd say so, but you could try it
18:32<pickcoder>it can also go under /usr/share/
18:32<Black_Prince>dpkg's *.post* and *.pre* files need to be executed.
18:32<Black_Prince>(not to be confused with killed)
18:32<Black_Prince>Since those are scripts that are run on right events (postinst, postrm, preinst prerm)
18:33<retrospectacus>you could symlink /var/lib out if you really do want /var to be noexec
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18:34<CyL>retrospectacus: I do not _really_ want, I'm just running a VPS, and thought that maybe could be a secure option
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18:35<pickcoder>CyL: you are hosting one or renting one
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18:35<CyL>pickcoder: I'm renting one
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18:36<vidkun>chealer: BTS?
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18:36<Black_Prince>bug tracking system
18:37<vidkun>i did not
18:37<vidkun>i tried installing with apt from the command line now
18:38<vidkun>synaptic has screwed up before so i'm not entirely surprised
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18:39<Black_Prince>apt/aptitude is prefered way for installing/upgrading/removing/etc packages
18:39<pickcoder>I see the dpkg scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info
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18:41<pickcoder>CyL: you can try mounting /var/lib/dpkg/ as a separate partition
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18:41<vidkun>it didn't complain, i will try restarting and hope it hasn't screwed something up
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18:42<retrospectacus>silly windows users... restarting pssshhh
18:43<Black_Prince>Since kexec there is no need for that too ...
18:44<retrospectacus>:) 22:31:25 up 360 days, 21:07, 2 users, load average: 10.41, 6.69, 4.05
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18:45<retrospectacus>she's a hard worker, that one
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18:46<pickcoder>retrospectacus: are you running that off a floppy drive?
18:46<Black_Prince>do you ever even suspend it?
18:46<retrospectacus>no and no
18:47<pickcoder>what's your iowait avg
18:47<Black_Prince>poor machine. I wonder it hasn't sued you yet for not giving it a rest ...
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18:48<retrospectacus>pickcoder: 12ms
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18:49<retrospectacus>if she blows up there's another waiting in the wings to pick up where it left off
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19:17<Superman>hey guys
19:17<Superman>i just ditched evolution for thunderbird!
19:17<Superman>newest version!
19:18<Superman>its quite slick
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19:18<retrospectacus>endorsed by Superman. Can't argue with that
19:19<Superman>do u guys make web sites?
19:20<Superman>anything better than kompozer?
19:20<Black_Prince>bluefish, vim, emacs, nano, gedit, mousepad
19:20<Superman>im looking for something with a heavy gui i used to use dreamweaver
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19:21<Superman>yea ill prolly resort to that but i like linux natives
19:21<Black_Prince>just for a note, real web designers use one of those :)
19:21<Superman>well im not a professional hehe
19:21<Black_Prince>kompozer is more wysiwtf than wysiwyg
19:21<Superman>i just make some hobby fetish sites
19:22<raschipi>you should learn one of those, html isn't dificult
19:22<Superman>yea kompozer has been making me brush up on html a lot
19:22<Superman>i used to be quite alright making stuff in notepad but i forgot everything
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19:22<Superman>i was like 12 lol
19:22<Superman>smarter than i am at 24 now
19:23<Nemoder>is iceweasel 4.x in sid yet?
19:23<Black_Prince>judd versions iceweasel --release sid
19:23<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- sid: 3.5.19-2
19:23<Black_Prince>judd versions iceweasel --release experimental
19:23<raschipi>lear cs too, is quite handy
19:23<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- experimental: 5.0-1
19:23<themill>Nemoder: no, and it never will be; See mozilla.debian.netr
19:23<craigevil>nope use the repo
19:24<Superman>get official firefox wats the point of iceweasel
19:24<Black_Prince>5.0 is urgent security fix for 4.0.1 (I saw something at forums about that)
19:24<Nemoder>themill: i don't see any explanation, what's the reasoning?
19:24<craigevil>firefox 5 was the security fix for 4, so iceweasel 4 will not be in sid
19:24<Nemoder>oh skipping to 5.x, fair enough
19:24<themill>Nemoder: iceweasel 5 will be uploaded instead
19:24<Superman>firefox is going to be releasing versions fast now
19:24<craigevil>iceweasel 5 is in exp
19:24<Superman>they are going google chrome style
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19:25<Superman>debian repos are slow as shit to catch up to these things
19:25<Nemoder>not sure I want to move to experimental packages with something i use so much daily, but I am getting a bit annoyed with the bugs in 3.5
19:25<themill>Superman: you'd do well to understand why rather than just swearing about it
19:25<themill>Nemoder: ...
19:25<craigevil>really? iceweasel: Installed: 5.0-1 Candidate: 5.0-1
19:26<Superman>im just sayin why get this iceweasel buisness when you can get firefox from the trusted devs
19:26<themill>Superman: you'd also be interested to know that iceweasel 5.0 packages were released the same day as firefox 5.0
19:26<Superman>maybe it will work as good maybe not i rather trust official firefox
19:26<themill>Superman: you perhaps should ask mozilla corporation those questions.
19:26<Superman>i know they release them
19:27<craigevil>!why iceweasel
19:27<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>.
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19:27<Superman>thats worse lol
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19:27<Nemoder>Superman: it's mostly the same software, iceweasl has some advantages like using more of your system's libs instead of shipping with it's own
19:27<Superman>its like there replacing their logos on their own software making it like they own it
19:28<drewdavis>At the request of the Mozilla Foundation.
19:28<themill>Superman: please whinge to mozilla corp not us.
19:28<Superman>i dont care i dont use it anyway
19:28<Superman>i use chrome and firefox 5
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19:28<Superman>but chrome is still the winner for performance for me
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19:29<Superman>but my sys is crap so i have special needs
19:29<Superman>os[Linux 2.6.32-5-686 i686] distro[Debian 6.0.1] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N450 @ 1.66GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.66GHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 72.3% free] disk[Total: 120.1GB, 72.0% free] video[Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel]
19:29<themill>so you're just here to rant in general then. Yay.
19:29<themill>Superman: please be more signal and less noise.
19:29<Nemoder>Superman: a crappy system is all the more reason to use a browser installed with the OS
19:29<Superman>not really
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19:30<Nemoder>you just waste memory loading all the libs multiple times
19:30<Superman>iceweasel didnt come with my debian anyway
19:30<Superman>i installed everything myself from scratch
19:30<cthuluh>we. don't. care.
19:30<cthuluh>take it back to #backtrack
19:31<Superman>what kernels u guys run?
19:31<Superman>can i see ur uname -r
19:31<themill>Superman: this is a help channel, not a social channel. Perhaps you wanted #moocows
19:31<Black_Prince>If you don't like how software is built then built it yourself. If you even like even more customised software (hardware specific) use Gentoo. See <install gentoo> for more info.
19:31<Superman>ur such a buzz kill man just have fun and chat it up
19:32<craigevil>Superman, Kernel~3.0.0-rc4-486 i686 ,just noticed -rc5 was in repo will update to it later tonight
19:32<Superman>oh really?
19:32<Superman>only thing my kernel 2.6.32-5 doesnt support is my sdcard reader
19:32<Superman>but i dont even use it lol
19:33<cthuluh>we. don't. care. this is off-topic
19:33<cthuluh>anyway, *plonk*
19:33<Superman>blah blah blah why r u so boring
19:33<Superman>internet relay CHAT
19:33<Superman>so chat it up
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19:34<themill>Superman: social chatter belongs elsewhere. Please stick to the topic of the channel you're in.
19:35<Fpunch>superman quit being annoying.
19:35<Black_Prince>he +quited it ... heh
19:36<Fpunch>oh hmm his user name was surpressed. Thanks.
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19:40<raschipi>This is off-topic, you should goto #debian-offtopic
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19:47<hopper7>what desktop environment would you install on your mother's Debian laptop when she were unable to use a command line?
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19:48<raschipi>gnome, its simpler to learn, i think
19:48<hopper7>(and I am thinking about something lightweight, so no GNOME or KDE)
19:48<Black_Prince>lxde, xfce, gnome, kde (from ligthest to heaviest)
19:48<raschipi>there's a new kde, or no?
19:48<hopper7>lxde is not mature enough; Gnome sucks completely, KDE is too heavy and xfce is in some way strange. Folks, don't advise me that mainstream garbage
19:49<hopper7>aren't there any good alternatives?
19:49<Black_Prince>hopper7, use window manager like fluxbox, sawfish, twm (my favourite), openbox etc
19:49<raschipi>i heard the kde project changed so much their DE, so a new team took the old one to continue
19:49<craigevil>kde isnt that heavy especially if you disable the stupid effects, Memory 470.7/1009.9MB thats in kde with firefox 6 tabs, xchat, thunderbird, and shell-fm running
19:49<hopper7>Black_Prince: I do, am using openbox; but I am talking about a solution for my mom
19:50<nevyn>hopper7: use a window manager and pretend it's the 80's put on some jackson 5 and cold chisel and you're golden
19:50<craigevil>hopper7, try icewm , menu is pretty much in Windows 98 style/looks
19:50<Black_Prince>hopper7, doh ... use gnome 3
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19:50<nevyn>hopper7: srsly the whole option A is too heavy but has features and option B is lightweight but doesn't have the featureset I want is kinda a duh.
19:50<Black_Prince>It doesnt suck that much (but it sucks)
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19:51<hopper7>I heard GNOME 3 sucks even more since it thinks it knows things better than its users
19:51<hopper7>thinking about icewm. You think it's good for someone who can't use a command line?
19:51<nevyn>hopper7: gnome has always taken the position that it's writing the desktop for your mom
19:52<nevyn>hopper7: so I wouldn't write it off. (but I don't want to use it)
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19:52<nevyn>hopper7: the problem with gnome is gnome fails the dogfood test and once you're no longer writing software that the developers want to use in free software you're on a fail trail
19:53<hopper7>okay, you know, Linus Torvalds is a wiseass but when there is something I totally agree with him than it's his opinion towards GNOME. He made the same experience I made
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19:53<raschipi>iif i i think this is not on-topic anymore...
19:53<craigevil>sure just set it up with rox-filer, you might also take a look at Easy Linux for the Elderly
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20:01<hopper7>isn't the ROX Desktop in the official repos?
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20:12<chealer>hopper7: ROX desktop is supposed to be minimalist. it may not be packaged as the ROX Desktop but the components are probably there. did you check ?
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20:22<hopper7>chealer: no, I did not but would have been a good idea :) thanks
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20:22<Superman>hey guys i got a debian question now
20:23<Superman>i installed the latest wine 1.3 but now synaptics keeps telling me they are broken packages
20:23<Superman>everytime i wanna install something from synaptic it tells me it needs to remove them
20:23<themill>debian doesn't have wine 1.3 packages
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20:24<Superman>how do i make synaptic stop trying to remove it?
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20:24<themill>either install the packages that it requires or remove the wine packages
20:25<Superman>but i need the newest wine why would i need to remove it?
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20:25<Superman>how can i make synaptic stop saying they are broken?
20:26<Superman>i just installed all the .debs for wine 1.3 and its working right
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20:29<akerl>Superman: Sounds like debian doesnt like your debs
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20:30<Superman>why does synaptics see them as broken?
20:30<themill>debian doesn't have wine 1.3 packages
20:30<Superman>i dont care about debian repos they have old crappy stuff
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20:30<Superman>but it shouldnt list my packages as broken
20:31<Superman>wats the fix for that?
20:31<themill>Superman: well, your out-of-debian packages are the problem, so perhaps you should care about where you got them from
20:31<shiloh25>um, debian repos are tested an solid,
20:31<Superman>i installed the official wine 1.3 from their site i shouldnt have problems like this
20:31<Superman>linux is linux
20:31<themill>how did you install them?
20:31<Superman>debian or not
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20:32<Superman>i just used dpkg
20:32<shiloh25>Superman, you have a wine problem, not a Debian one
20:32<themill>no, packaging systems have dependencies. You satisfy the dependencies or you have a broken package management systme
20:32<Superman>i have all of them my wine works perfect
20:32<akerl>Superman: Maybe people aren't "helping" you satisfactorily because you come to the debian channel, bash debian, and ignore requests to help you fix your problem
20:32<themill>have fun then
20:32<Superman>just synaptics keeps telling me to remove them when i try to install anything from it
20:32<Superman>bash debian?
20:32<Superman>debian is my wifey man
20:33<Superman>i masturbate to it
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20:33<shiloh25>then id follow what is clearly typed, remove them since your Wine works fine
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20:33<shiloh25>thank you
20:33<shiloh25>who ever booted
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20:36<chaos>is there a tool to identify what exactly is hogging how much ram? according to top nothing uses significant amount yet new processes get mem by swapping shit
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20:44<shiloh25>chaos, you can use conky for that, but will have to tweek your conky cfg, ill be glad to send you mine, has what top 3 things are using ram and proc percentage
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20:46<chaos>shiloh25: cool
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20:49<chaos>no luck
20:49<shiloh25>ill paste bin it
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20:51<chaos>worx too
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20:56<chaos>thank you
20:56<shiloh25>you have to make a gedit file
20:56<shiloh25>paste that
20:57<chaos>i'll check it out tomorrow tho .. gotta get up in 4 hours
20:57<shiloh25>name the file .conkyrc
20:57<CyL>Well, while running aptitude on my VPS, it showed me a bunch of packages that were selected for installation that I did not choose, including some kernels, how do I avoid this?
20:57<shiloh25>gl hollar if you need some assistance
20:58<akerl>CyL: Were you running update/upgrade?
20:59<CyL>akerl: I had just run it before running aptitude, I don't believe debian released 47 updates in a such small period of time
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21:00<akerl>So confused. What command did you run that prompted this set of new packages?
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21:02<CyL>akerl: aptitude
21:02<CyL>akerl: I selected some package to be purged and when I pressed g, aptitude showed this 47 packaged to be installed
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21:13<CyL>Shouldn't purge also remove a package's configuration files?
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21:18<bst>CyL: yes, remove config files
21:19<CyL>bst: it looks like not, I'm reinstalling mysql-server after a purge, but the insall script is not asking for the sql root password again
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21:23<akerl>CyL: Did you specifically purge mysql-server, or just mysql?
21:24<CyL>akerl: I was using aptitude, I used the purge command
21:24<akerl>I like how you didn't even answer my question at all.
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21:25<cipher__>lol ^
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21:28<CyL>akerl: sorry, I had just overlooked your question, I purged mysql-server, but aptitude doesn't seem to be getting this right, using apt-get --purge remove and also specifying all other dependencie packages solved this issue. I believe this is some sort of aptitude misbehaviour, thanks for you advice
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21:30<CyL>still can't run mysql_secure_installation
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21:47<dpkg>README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
21:47<kop>CyL: No idea if that will help....
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21:47<Guest383>Little help anyone? :P
21:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:48<Guest383>How do you upgrade to the latest phpmyadmin :/
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21:50<Guest383>Anyone? :P
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22:15<weedeater64>oh crap, wrong channel, sorry.
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22:23<K0JIbKA>hi all. i got laptop Dell Latitude E 6410 with Vista on it. it's service job box and i can't just remove Win from it. It has 3 partitions called <OS>, <READER> and <RECOVERY>. How i may come to know to which of them GRUB bootloader should be installed at the end of Debian installation process?
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22:26<kingsley>K0JIbKA: My understanding is that grub would be installed to the hard drive's master boot record and the partition containing debian.
22:27<K0JIbKA>is it?
22:28<akerl>If you install grub to the mbr, you're gonna break windows
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22:29<sney>no, windows doesn't use the mbr. you'll just render it unbootable unless os-prober is installed. if you want to go back to normal windows booting behaviour, all the windows recovery cd does is erase the mbr
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22:38<bluewater>last time i just plain updated a win7 box that had debian on it, it took out grub, had to use a live cd to get it back via a chroot, needless to say, never booted to MS again, heh
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22:39<sney>bluewater: and if you do a windows install on a machine that already has a *nix installation on it, windows insists on trying to write something to that disk, and throws an error when it can't. I don't really have a problem with using windows, but it should not try to fondle disks that don't belong to it during install. /offtopic
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22:42<bluewater>sney: it was the other way round
22:42<sney>see: and
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22:45<dabir>can someone help me set up my wireless? I've been at this for almost a month
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22:46<dabir>Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter (rev 01)
22:46<dabir>i've installed a backported kernel.. linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64:amd64
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22:47<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide.
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22:48<dabir>does rtl8192e work with rtl8188ce?
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22:49<dabir>i've gotten the firmware
22:49<sney>dabir: that's what it says right there
22:54<dabir>is my card able to scan? how do i scan or find out? it recognizes my card so that's good..
22:56<sney>once you have wireless-tools installed, iwlist interface scanning (e.g. iwlist wlan0 scanning)
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22:57<windsofchange49>hi guys
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23:02<sney>dabir: please keep questions in the channel, that way if I have to leave someone else can pick up where I left off
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23:07<dabir>do i need anything else to make sure my wireless card SHOULD be able to scan and connect to wifi/wireless?
23:09<sney>if 'iwlist wlan0 scanning' gives you a lot of text output, then it's scanning fine
23:09<sney>you can use iwconfig (read the man page) to connect to an access point. I'd recommend starting with it unsecured so you can make sure it basically works before turning the encryption, if any, on
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23:12<dabir>do you know if i am able to check this without having a wifi hotspot nearby?
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23:14<sney>no, unfortunately you do need both ends of the wireless network to test it. if you have another linux machine with wifi, you may be able to run it in AP mode, though this varies from nic to nic and can be annoying to set up
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23:15<raschipi>hotspots usualy have dhcp servers
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23:43<dabir>hi, back with my wifi issue. i get this error scanning: Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
23:44<dabir>possible reason: the switch is turned off, but FN+f8 button doesn't do anything.. wifi light remains orange. is there a manual way to switch it on?
23:44<dabir>i've no idea if it means the switch is off/on or not, btw.
23:44<sney>usually lit up means it's enabled
23:44<sney>try just 'ifconfig wlan0 up'
23:44<sney>and then try again
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23:49<gsb>is there any package in Debian which can search for matching words inside pdf, doc files etc. I have installed tracker but it doesn't seems to support this.
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23:55<sney>well, there's catdoc for doc files, it can't search on its own but could be used with grep
23:56<Nemoder>and pdftotext in poppler-utils
23:57<Nemoder>gsb: might try recoll
23:58<gsb>sney, Nemoder thanks but i was lookgin for a gui based software like google desktop search
23:58<gsb>Nemoder, will take a look as recoll
23:59<gsb>Nemoder, will take a look on* recoll
23:59<Nemoder>google desktop search has a linux version though I don't think it's OSS
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