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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-06-30

---Logopened Thu Jun 30 00:00:01 2011
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00:00<gsb>Nemoder, wow, recoll is quite cool, reading wikipedia link
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00:00<gsb>Nemoder, oh yes, there is google desktop search for linux and they giving .deb files :)
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02:20<kusanagi>how can i get the sha1 of a file?
02:20<ansgar>kusanagi: sha1sum
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02:26<kusanagi>ansgar, pretty evident since i knew md5sum :/ damn my dumb head!
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03:28<ziirish>hi
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03:29<ziirish>I would like to be able to read a CF card containing a pfsense image
03:29<ziirish>of course the fs is ufs, I loaded the ufs module, but I still can't mount my device
03:30<ziirish>does someone succeed such a thing?
03:30<EmleyMoor>ziirish: What exact type of ufs+
03:30<EmleyMoor>?
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03:30<ziirish>I'd say ufs2
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03:31<ziirish>here is an extract of my dmesg: [ 1624.734359] ufs_read_super: bad magic number
03:31<adama>can you see the device with fdisk -l
03:31<ziirish>yes
03:31<ziirish>it says it's a FreeBSD fs
03:31<EmleyMoor>ziirish: What system was it created on?
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03:32<ziirish>well, I have no idea, I downloaded the dd image on the pfsense website
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03:32<ziirish>then dd'ed it to my cf
03:32<EmleyMoor>Ah - are you specifying a ufstype option?
03:32<ziirish>mount -r -t ufs -o ro,ufstype=ufs2 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/
03:33<EmleyMoor>It's possibly not ufs, or not ufs2
03:33<ziirish>hum
03:33<ziirish>what could it be then?
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03:34<adama>try mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/
03:34<ziirish>=> you must specify a fs
03:35<EmleyMoor>Try 44bsd as the ufstype
03:35<ziirish>same as ufstype=ufs2
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03:36<EmleyMoor>May well be something other than ufs then
03:36<ziirish>lsmod | grep ufs => ufs 72774 0
03:37<ziirish>ok thanks, I'll search that way then
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03:50<bogard>hey, running debian squeeze, icedove and iceweasel, and I cannot get icedove to open http-links in iceweasel, rather than konqueror. tried the usual recipes without success, any ideas?
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04:00<itzurabhi>is there a touch friendly ui that works on debian,for using on devices like tablets?
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04:05<looorentz>hi
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04:07<looorentz>i just installed debian from a usb alongside my windows installation, but when I try and boot, it gets to a black screen and then just hangs and makes a repeating sounds over and over. anyone know what's wrong?
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04:07<jm_>looorentz: do you see any kernel messages if you remove the 'quiet' option for the kernel?
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04:09<looorentz>i don't know how to do that haha, when I boot I just get the options< i have ubuntu windows and debian, I select debian and it goes through some loading and then gets to the black screen
04:10<looorentz>i'm not sure where the 'quiet' option is
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04:11<jm_>doesn't your boot loader list keyboard commands to edit the selected boot entry (at the bottom)?
04:11<looorentz>oh i'm not sure, I will go check it out
04:11<looorentz>ty
04:12<jm_>if it does, select the debian entry and press the corresonding key and simply remove the quiet option and then boot it
04:12<looorentz>okay - thanks
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04:22<looorentz>hey man
04:22<looorentz>so i took the quiet off, i could see everything load
04:22<looorentz>and it doesn't hang until after, when the gui should be loading
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04:23<looorentz>and then it hangs at a black screen and makes a beeping noise
04:24<looorentz>jm_: any clue what i'm doing wrong haha?
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04:52<kusanagi>im using lvm with ext3. i run out of space on / . I am trying to shrink /home to enlarge / . I am on a live cd. I am trying to resize2fs /dev/debian/home as that is the name of the partition that lvdisplay shows, but it does not exist. does anybody knwo what am i missing here?
04:52<weasel>vgchange -a y?
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04:54<kusanagi>weasel, thank you very much! that was it :D
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05:09<jm_>looorentz: still here?
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05:13<kusanagi>is it possible to enlarge a lv in lvm to get all the available free space?
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05:17<cthuluh>kusanagi: see lvresize and the -l option, combined with FREE
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05:18<AQUARO>ESPAÑOL?
05:19<AQUARO>e
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05:22<kusanagi>thanks cthuluh! and for shrink a lv to match the size of the partition? i dont quite see the option for that, if any :/
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05:23<weasel>kusanagi: what I usually do is a) resize the filesystem to something smaller than I want in the end, b) resize the LV to the size I want, c) grow the filesystem to the block device size.
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05:29<cthuluh>kusanagi: I don't understand. are there several PV in your setup?
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05:45<matthijs>hi
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05:48<kusanagi>no cthuluh, just one pv
05:49<kusanagi>i meant to shrink a lv to meatch the size of the partition inside the lv
05:49<kusanagi>match*
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05:50<cthuluh>wait. unless you use a lv to hold a whole disk (including a partition table)...
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05:50<cthuluh>the lv is supposed to be *inside* the partition
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05:51<cthuluh>(inside the pv which is inside the lvm partition, more precisely)
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05:52<kusanagi>cthuluh, i meant the ext3 partition inside my lv. ext3 partition i just shrinked
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05:54<cthuluh>kusanagi: then you're talking about a file system, not a partition. see what weasel said
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05:55<kusanagi>cthuluh, yes, the file system, sorry about the confusion. Is that the only way? i rather not using blocks and tell lvm to match the partition
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05:55<kusanagi>but if thats the only way, ill try it like that
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06:03<weasel>or you could use one of those livecds that do it all for you
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06:04<kusanagi>is there a live cd for that?
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06:07<scinl>acpid starts automatically, but I run a desktop system... can I disable it with no ill-effects?
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06:09<matthijs>hi
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06:09<matthijs>how often should you run fsck?
06:09<scinl>matthijs; Every 30-odd boots... or anytime you think you should check your filesystem for errors.
06:10<matthijs>yeah, but i haven't rebooted in months
06:10<matthijs>12:16:59 up 169 days, 23:02, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
06:10<matthijs>i'm now on ssh
06:11<matthijs>actually, i have no monitor or keyboard attacted, so almost everything is done remotly
06:11<scinl>... or anytime you think you should check your filesystem for errors.
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06:11<matthijs>ok, but when i check my logs, everything seems ok, then it shouldnt be neccesary
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06:19<si458>hi people
06:19<si458>ive got a question about NAT ?
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06:19<si458>is it possible for people inside an ip range to go out of a different lan card other than the one with the default gateway on?
06:19<si458>cause i have 2 lan cards on with .214 and other with .219
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06:20<si458>when people vpn into the .214 then get an internal ip address and then the inetnet works but gets the .214 external ip address
06:20<si458>can i set it to go down the .219 lan card instead?
06:20<si458>sorry if ive just confused everyone!
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06:24<Pitxyoki>si458, you've just confused everyone.
06:24<Pitxyoki>I can't see what is the problem there.
06:25<babilen>si458: You might also want to ask in ##networking on irc.freenode.net
06:25<Pitxyoki>Just set the default route to the .219 lan card.
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06:26<si458>yes sorry its very confusing my setup :)
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06:26<si458>should i start from the beginning?
06:27<Pitxyoki>You could start by making a drawing.
06:27<Pitxyoki>:>
06:27<si458>trust me it would have to be A1 SIZE!!!
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06:27<Pitxyoki>I tend to understand better network setups with pencil-and-paper drawings.
06:28<si458>basically...
06:28<si458>i have 1 card on .213 and another on .214
06:28<si458>both external ip addresss!
06:28<Pitxyoki>yeeees...
06:28<si458>people connect into .213 via vpn
06:28<si458>which gives them an internal ip number
06:28<si458>and then then have secure connection to internet
06:29<si458>wen i check the ip is says .213
06:29<si458>but is the away of sending all the data off of the .214 number instead?
06:29<Pitxyoki>If it says .213 it's probably because the connections are using that card as gateway.
06:29<Pitxyoki>It'd be hard to use .213 and have the connections going out of the other card.
06:29<si458>thats wat i through?
06:30<Pitxyoki>route add default gw .241-card or something, no?
06:30<si458>could i just simply put the gateway in the other card and it will use 214 instead?
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06:30<Pitxyoki>If the setup is as simple as it seems, it should. :)
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06:30<si458>i just basically want to load balance the server :) so in one and out other
06:30<Pitxyoki>Also, you should remove the other default gw.
06:31<si458>ok ill try now
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06:31<Pitxyoki>Watch out so you don't get disconnected.
06:31<si458>i wont :)
06:31<Pitxyoki>ohh
06:31<si458>its a QEMU machine :P
06:31<si458>i have vnc access :P
06:32<Pitxyoki>I hope that by "in one and out other" you don't mean that incoming connections should use one card and outcoming ones should use the other.
06:32<Pitxyoki>I think that'd be a more complex setup. And I couldn't help you there without a bit of research.
06:33<si458>thats wat i was thinking
06:33<si458>is that bit more difficult to setup?
06:33<si458>well ive just swopped the gateway over and it worked :D
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06:33<si458>now say 214 not 213 :)
06:33<si458>thanks Pitxyoki
06:33<Pitxyoki>Are those incoming connections that you're talking about all from the VPN or do you want all incoming connections from the net to use a single card?
06:34<Pitxyoki>(And use the other for the outgoing traffic?)
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06:37<si458>only by the vpn
06:37<Pitxyoki>That should be OK.
06:38<Pitxyoki>:)
06:38<si458>well its just worked :P
06:38<si458>so thank yoU!
06:38<si458>id been at it for a few hours n couldnt find out wat i was doing wrong! :S
06:38<Pitxyoki>No prob.
06:38<Pitxyoki>hmm
06:38<Pitxyoki>There are some tutorials on the net for that.
06:38<Pitxyoki>(I suppose)
06:38<si458>1 more quick q
06:39<si458>the vpn is for myself
06:39<si458>however my mate has asked for his own vpn
06:39<si458>but a different ip address on yet another lan card!
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06:39<si458>how would i go about that?
06:39<Pitxyoki>Are you using openvpn?
06:39<si458>no just standard vpn pptp
06:39<si458>i have looked at the openvpn
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06:40<Pitxyoki>No idea. :-)
06:40<si458>thank u :)
06:40<si458>i think its sumthing to do with the iptables
06:40<Pitxyoki>With openvpn it's just copy/paste a server file and change IPs.
06:40<Pitxyoki>(And keys, if you need it)
06:41<si458>ok
06:41<si458>well ive solved 1 prob :P
06:41<si458>onto another now :P
06:41<Pitxyoki>There are other ways, but that's just the fast-and-dirty one I used. :P
06:41<si458>can i have multiple ip ranges with vpn?
06:42<Pitxyoki>Is there a reason why you shouldn't?
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06:42<si458>well like i sed, 1 ip range e.g 99.100-.200 for me and .100.100-200 for my mate
06:42<si458>and then assign ip addresses for that user
06:42<si458>would that work?
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06:43<Pitxyoki>Sure, why not?
06:43<Pitxyoki>:)
06:43<si458>:)
06:44<Pitxyoki>You're just beginning with networking, aren't you?
06:44<si458>i know abit but not alot
06:44<Pitxyoki>eheh
06:44<si458>i used all the different linuxes so i get myself confused sumtimes
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06:44<si458>centos, ubuntu, debian, rhel
06:44<kusanagi>weasel, cthuluh amazing!, i just find out that resize2fs takes all the free space if you dont specify size... i can now do your process without worrying about blocks... weasel, i dont know if thats what you meant me to do
06:44<kusanagi>thanks!
06:45<Pitxyoki>At this level I don't think they are that different.
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06:45<si458>true true
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06:45<jez>Hi guys. I'm trying to generate a self-signed cert for my server. OpenSSL is generating the cert, but for some reason the expiry date is being set to July 1905. :-) Any ideas what I could be doing wrong?
06:46<Pitxyoki>What's the command you're using?
06:46<Pitxyoki>man <command> ?
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06:47<jez>i'm using: openssl x509 -req -in server.csr -signkey server.key -out server.crt
06:47<jez>it generates server.crt
06:47<Pitxyoki>man openssl
06:47<jez>heh
06:47<jez>you could spend a lifetime reading that
06:49<Pitxyoki>man openssl -> search for x509
06:50<Pitxyoki>See a reference for x509 manpage on the bottom.
06:50<Pitxyoki>man x509
06:50<scinl>My /dev/sdb1 is usually mounted on /zulu but has been unmounted. I've just run mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1 Is there a next step? It's good to go?
06:50<Pitxyoki>-> search for "date"
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06:50<Pitxyoki>I think you'll figure the rest.
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06:51<weasel>kusanagi: that's what I meant.
06:51<Pitxyoki>Oh, sorry, jez.
06:52<Pitxyoki>I said "search for date" but your answer is actually on a -days-related zone.
06:52<Pitxyoki>I found it by searching for date anyway.
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06:52<kusanagi>weasel, thanks! knowing that about resize2fs your process seems great now! ;)
06:53<jez>hmm maybe it was because i was specifying the days argument as too high.
06:53<Pitxyoki>You didn't mention any -days argument when you showed the command line.
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07:13<leoleen>hey people
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07:15<leoleen>ok I've got a SATA 250G drive which keeps on appearing and disappearing on when connected to my laptop or desktop PC, if it stays connected it won't be for long and trying to read/write something on it all I get are I/O errors can anybody help
07:16<grove>leoleen: Sounds like a dead disc, throw it away
07:17<leoleen>grove: but the disk is new and my friend got another one with the same prob
07:18<jm_>how is it connected?
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07:19<CoaxVex>leoleen: did it come from the same shop? :-)
07:19<th>SATA enclosure with USB interface?
07:19<th>or worse: SATA<->USB adapter, US$5
07:20<th>no case at all, full of surprises
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07:20<robinetd>leoleen: Can you hear the disk spin down when it disappears?
07:20<CoaxVex>I once had lots of problems with my disks, and it turned out it was the powersupply
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07:20<CoaxVex>but if it happens on two different machines, that becomes unlikely
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07:22<soloflyer>leoleen: get gddrescue
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07:23<sekon_>I cant compile even simple C programs
07:23<sekon_>http://pastebin.com/L27j9Xnn
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07:23<jm_>!b-e sekon_
07:23<dpkg>sekon_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
07:24<sekon_>jm_: please look at my paste
07:24<sekon_>i dont even include stdio.h
07:24<sekon_>i am getting linker errors
07:25<soloflyer>sekon_: do you have /usr/lib/crt1.o
07:25<jm_>sekon_: uhm I have looked at it ....
07:26<jm_>why are you asking for help if you ignore what people tell you to do?
07:26<sekon_>jm_: I already have build essentials
07:27<jm_>sekon_: and libc6-dev too?
07:27<grove>sekon_: Then say so instead of assuming the ones trying to help you haven't read what you provide
07:27<clock>jm_, now I am afraid you maybe feel unfairly accused when you're told that you ignore what people tell you to do
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07:28<clock>sorry, was for sekon_
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07:28<sekon_>soloflyer: no i dont
07:28<sekon_>dpkg -s /usr/lib/crt1.o
07:28<dpkg>You Fool! /usr/lib/crt1.o is installed!
07:29<sekon_>is also empty
07:29<jm_>it's dpkg -S, not dpkg -s
07:29<soloflyer>sekon_: dpkg -l libc6-dev
07:29<sekon_>jm_: i did that on my system
07:29<leoleen>roboinetd: nope I don't hear it spin down on dissappearing
07:30<jm_>sekon_: libc6-dev provides it, are you really using debian?
07:30<sekon_>ii libc6-dev 2.13-7 Embedded GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files
07:30<sekon_>jm_: debain sid for a long time
07:30<robinetd>leoleen: Perhaps your method of connection between the drive and the computer is faulty.
07:30<soloflyer>sekon_: ls -l /usr/lib/crt1.o really doesnt exist?
07:30<clock>sekon_, I just tried to find which package contains crt1.o
07:31<clock>sekon_, but I didn't get any result
07:31<sekon_>root@master:/home/zomg# ls /usr/lib/crt1.o
07:31<sekon_>ls: cannot access /usr/lib/crt1.o: No such file or directory
07:31<jm_>sekon_: which architecture is this?
07:31<sekon_>jm_: x86
07:31<clock>sekon_, on my system I have /usr/lib/crt1.o
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07:31<leoleen>soloflyer: how do I use gddrescure? When the drive is connected to my router wl-500w it works well but at speeds not more than 500kb/s
07:31<jm_>sekon_: in sid it's /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/crt1.o
07:32<soloflyer>leoleen: gddrescue is for data recovery
07:32<leoleen>robinetd: I tried changing the cable with no avail
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07:32<sekon_>jm_: yep its there
07:33<sekon_>but the error message is also there
07:33<sekon_>its a fairly recent one
07:33<sekon_>i cant remember when this message started showing up
07:33<leoleen>soloflyer: but how do I recover the data when the disk keeps appearing and dissappearing coz I can't have it staying mounted for more than 2 mins
07:34<soloflyer>leoleen: with great difficulty :)
07:34<sekon_>soloflyer: < jm_> sekon_: in sid it's /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/crt1.o
07:34<sekon_>that is there ^
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07:34<soloflyer>leoleen: but if its working on your router i suspect that its not the disk... its either power draw issues or the other thing that i cant remember at the moment to do with usb data sizing...
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07:35<bernat>!tell sekon_ multiarch
07:35<clock>sekon_, I can compile and when I rename /usr/lib/crt1.o to crt1.o.bak then compilation fails with message about crt1.o
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07:35<jm_>sekon_: which version of gcc is it?
07:35<clock>sekon_, so I wonder why there is a file that is needed by GCC, but doesn't occur in any package, according to apt-file search
07:35<soloflyer>leoleen: is the hard drive your using externally powered or powered throught he usb port?
07:36<leoleen>soloflyer: externally powered by a 12V adapter
07:36<sekon_>gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-5)
07:36<sekon_>jm_: ^
07:36<sekon_>and no i am not a X86_64
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07:36<jm_>sekon_: you need a newer one due to multi-arch AFAIK
07:37<clock>sekon_, ah! after apt-file search updte I get it occurs in: libc6-dev
07:37<clock>sekon_, do you have libc6-dev installed?
07:37<sekon_>clock: yes
07:38<clock>what u get from apt-file search crt1.o?
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07:38<clock>sekon_, I would maybe try remove and install libc6-dev. Does the file appear?
07:39<sekon_>clock: i dont have apt-file
07:39<sekon_>root@master:/home/zomg# dpkg -S crt1
07:39<sekon_>libc6-dev: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/Scrt1.o
07:39<sekon_>libc6-dev: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/Mcrt1.o
07:39<sekon_>libc6-dev: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gcrt1.o
07:39<sekon_>libc6-dev: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/crt1.o
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07:39<sekon_>Bad day is bad
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07:40<clock>sekon_, aha, your file is in different directory than mine
07:40<clock>sekon_, what CPU do you have? I have Interl 32
07:40<sekon_>clock: yep
07:40<sekon_>also dpkg-reconfigure libc6-dev
07:40<sekon_>did not help
07:40<jm_>you need to use newer gcc
07:40<bernat>sekon_, doesn't multiarch wiki page help?
07:41<clock>sekon_, what about cp /usr/lib//i386-linux-gnu/crt1.o /usr/lib ?
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07:41<sekon_>bernat: sadly no
07:41<sekon_>clock: did that
07:42<sekon_>also did a symlink
07:42<clock>sekon_, what CPU do u have?
07:42<sekon_>clock: X86, P4
07:43<leoleen>How can I install a gimp 2.7.3.deb if when I get this error massage? Breaks existing package 'gimp-data' that conflict: 'gimp-python'. But the '/home/leon/.gvfs/LinuxMintUpdates-Lee-CD1.iso/packages/gimp_2.7.3-2011042102~nn_i386.deb' provides it via: 'gimp-helpbrowser,gimp-python'
07:43<sekon_>i have no driver issues
07:43<sekon_>etc
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07:44<lindi->leoleen: you are trying to install linuxmint packages to debian?
07:44<clock>sekon_, that should be identical like me. and /etc/debian_version? Me 6.0.2
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07:45<leoleen>lindi- : linux mint is a debian based distro!
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07:45<jm_>!tell leoleen -about based on debian
07:45<sekon_>clock: mine says wheezy/sid
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07:46<sekon_>off to the mailing list i go ..
07:46<sekon_>thank you folks
07:47<clock>sekon_, can u use the Windows approach? Reinstall the whole system?
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07:47<soloflyer>clock: lol
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07:47<clock>maybe faster that debugging why it fails?
07:47<jm_>mailing list will reply the same way - use a newer gcc
07:48<clock>sekon_, or they will reply it's your fault no matter what it actually os
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07:48<sekon_>jm_: I am using sid .. i updated it today
07:49<clock>sekon_, I would also do fsck
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07:49<DeFiniTi0N>hello
07:49<clock>sometimes Linux behaves schizophrenic for me when a file is damaged
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07:49<DeFiniTi0N>i need some support
07:49<sekon_>clock: will do that before writing a mail ..thanks
07:50<olasd>clock: imho no file has been damaged. libc has just been updated to use multiarch pathes and it seems to confuse gcc
07:50<olasd>sekon_: ^
07:50<clock>DeFiniTi0N, what supoprt u need?
07:50<DeFiniTi0N>ok
07:50<DeFiniTi0N>its about my sound drivers
07:50<DeFiniTi0N>i got them
07:50<DeFiniTi0N>but when i try to install them
07:50<clock>my god
07:50<clock>Linux and sound
07:50<DeFiniTi0N>it seas it needs kernel
07:50*clock enters panic
07:51<sekon_>olasd: can you please tell me if there are any workaround to make things work
07:51<olasd>sekon_: if you have problems with sid you should ask on #debian-next
07:51<sekon_>olasd: thanks
07:51<jm_>sekon_: if gcc says 4.3.5 then it most definitely is not the latest
07:51<clock>DeFiniTi0N, kernel sources or kernel headers?
07:51<DeFiniTi0N>sources
07:51<soloflyer>leoleen: try reducing the max_sectors on the usb drive before mounting it and using it
07:51<olasd>I didn't have this kind of problem anyway (but your gcc seems VERY old)
07:51<soloflyer>leoleen: echo 64 >/sys/block/sdb/device/max_sectors
07:51<DeFiniTi0N>im a newbie to linux
07:51<CoaxVex>DeFiniTi0N: have you tried 'alsactl init' first?
07:52<DeFiniTi0N>nope
07:52<CoaxVex>try that
07:52<CoaxVex>as root
07:52<DeFiniTi0N>sec opening terminal
07:52<jm_>now if you used gcc 4.6.1 it shall work
07:52<soloflyer>leoleen: replacing sdb with your usb disc
07:52<DeFiniTi0N>CoaxVex
07:52<DeFiniTi0N>i know whast my sound card
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07:52<sekon_>olasd: #debain-next on irc.debian.net/irc.oftc.net ??
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07:53<CoaxVex>yeah, but that should load the module and stuff
07:53<CoaxVex>I think
07:53<DeFiniTi0N>Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "VIA VT1708S" "HDA:11064397,18490397,00100000" "0x1849" "0x0397"
07:53<DeFiniTi0N>Hardware is initialized using a guess method
07:53<sekon_>or is it a mailing list ??
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07:53<DeFiniTi0N>coaxvex thats what i get
07:53<DeFiniTi0N>what should i do next ?
07:53<soloflyer>DeFiniTi0N: which kernel are you using? uname -a
07:53<DeFiniTi0N>i dont know
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07:53<DeFiniTi0N>i installed
07:53<olasd>sekon_: that's a channel right here on oftc
07:53<DeFiniTi0N>the latest
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07:53<DeFiniTi0N>version of the linux
07:53<clock>DeFiniTi0N, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-to-properly-install-kernel-source-in-debian-159252/
07:54<DeFiniTi0N>ok but
07:54<clock>DeFiniTi0N, but it doesn't make me more wise on the first look how to install kernel sources
07:54<DeFiniTi0N>my main prob is the sound
07:54<soloflyer>DeFiniTi0N: type uname -a on the command line
07:54<sekon_>olasd: apparently its invite only
07:54<clock>DeFiniTi0N, what problem with the sound u have?
07:54<DeFiniTi0N>soloflyer:second
07:54<DeFiniTi0N>clock
07:54<DeFiniTi0N>i dont have sound
07:54<DeFiniTi0N>thas the prob
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07:54<DeFiniTi0N>i dont have snd drivers
07:55<TCW>how do I re-initialize alsa as it is done while booting?
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07:55<DeFiniTi0N>soloflyer : Linux Jovan 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 14 09:42:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
07:55<CoaxVex>DeFiniTi0N: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-amd64 ?
07:56<jm_>TCW: /etc/init.d/alsa start perhaps
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07:56<clock>DeFiniTi0N, so you tried to install the drivers but it said it needs kernel source?
07:56<jm_>DeFiniTi0N: you can try 2.6.38 kernel from backports
07:56<DeFiniTi0N>yes
07:56<DeFiniTi0N>clock
07:56<DeFiniTi0N>root@Jovan:/home/jovan# apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-amd64
07:56<DeFiniTi0N>Reading package lists... Done
07:56<DeFiniTi0N>Building dependency tree
07:56<DeFiniTi0N>Reading state information... Done
07:56<DeFiniTi0N>E: Unable to locate package linux-headers-2.6-amd64
07:56<DeFiniTi0N>E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-headers-2.6-amd64'
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07:56<soloflyer>DeFiniTi0N: you probably want a newer kernel im assuming you have a pretty new motherboard try at least 2.8.38
07:56<clock>OMG
07:56<TCW>jm_, there is only alsa-utils and nop, restart does not help
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07:56<jm_>TCW: what is the actual intention in doing this?
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07:56<DeFiniTi0N>sry about that
07:57<DeFiniTi0N>i get an error
07:57<soloflyer>DeFiniTi0N: you probably want a newer kernel im assuming you have a pretty new motherboard try at least 2.8.38
07:57<clock>Daniel_Duesentrieb,
07:57<DeFiniTi0N>soloflyer
07:57<DeFiniTi0N>Unable to locate package linux-headers-2.6-amd64
07:57<DeFiniTi0N>:P
07:57<TCW>jm_, editing asound.conf / ~/.asoundrc to test back and forth without the need to reboot everytime
07:57<jm_>TCW: did you also try "invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset"?
07:57<sekon_>bernat: Apparently you were probably the first to "really help" .. just having a bad day thanks
07:57<clock>DeFiniTi0N, how do you know the problem is caused by missing driver?
07:57<TCW>jm_, nope... let's see
07:57<DeFiniTi0N>becouse i dont have sound
07:57<DeFiniTi0N>lol
07:57<clock>I wondef if HDA-Intel shouldn't work automatically in Debian
07:58<jm_>TCW: that just means restart your app, no need to use the init script etc.
07:58<DeFiniTi0N>clock mine is VA
07:58<DeFiniTi0N>:P
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07:58<DeFiniTi0N>on windows the sound works great
07:58<DeFiniTi0N>PS i cant even install team viewer
07:58<DeFiniTi0N>so im on my own
07:58<clock>DeFiniTi0N, unfortunately, not every thing that works great on Windows works on Linux too :(
07:58<DeFiniTi0N>i know
07:59<DeFiniTi0N>but when im done setting up linux
07:59<DeFiniTi0N>ill be ok
07:59<DeFiniTi0N>so
07:59<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: lspci -nn .. what is the sound device? also, which version of debian are you on?
07:59<DeFiniTi0N>6.0
07:59<DeFiniTi0N>Debian
07:59<DeFiniTi0N>latest
07:59<clock>DeFiniTi0N, how did u get the listing of the type of your sound card?
07:59<DeFiniTi0N>chees i all ready told
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07:59<DeFiniTi0N>soloflyer
07:59<DeFiniTi0N>gave me the command
07:59<DeFiniTi0N>for the terminal
07:59<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: and your sound device?
07:59<bernat>sekon_, np, I hope it gets better
07:59<abrotman>!enter
07:59<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
07:59<clock>DeFiniTi0N, but maybe the "Unknown Device" could be problem
07:59<DeFiniTi0N>alsactl init
08:00<DeFiniTi0N>but
08:00<DeFiniTi0N>it needs drivers
08:00<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: does your network work?
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08:00<DeFiniTi0N>yes
08:00<DeFiniTi0N>it dose
08:00<DeFiniTi0N>as you can see
08:00<abrotman>STOP HITTING ENTER, it's impossible to read
08:00<clock>DeFiniTi0N, for me is OK to read
08:00<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: run 'update-pciids' .. then do a 'lspci -nn' and show us the sound device
08:00<DeFiniTi0N>ok secound
08:00*jm_ bets upgrading to 2.6.38 would work
08:01<TCW>jm_, restarting app does not help... see, I defined another mixer element called "pre-amp" (basically an ampli plugin), I can see it in alsamixer but want to get rid of it (as somehow I managed to break dmix with it) but regardless what I doo, the mixer element is still shown in the mixer
08:01<abrotman>jm_: i know .. i'm getting there
08:01*soloflyer worked for me on my sandy bridge system
08:01<clock>DeFiniTi0N, I suspect the Linux doesn't know the ID number of your USB sound card
08:01<DeFiniTi0N>secound i need to go to paste bin
08:01<abrotman>clock: can i finish with him for a minute?
08:01<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: paste.debian.net if you can't find another
08:02<soloflyer>clock: support for his sound card didnt even exist until 2.6.34 hes running 2.6.32
08:02<DeFiniTi0N>http://pastebin.com/fSmV1Lpm
08:02<DeFiniTi0N>here is what it seas
08:02<abrotman>moment
08:02<jm_>TCW: are you using something like pulseaudio or a similar sound server?
08:02<TCW>jm_, nope
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08:02<jm_>judd pciid 10de:03f0
08:02<judd>[10de:03f0] is 'MCP61 High Definition Audio' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:03f0 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
08:02<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: do you know how to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
08:02<clock>abrotman, no idea
08:02<abrotman>wasn't asking you
08:03<DeFiniTi0N>abortman
08:03<DeFiniTi0N>dunno
08:03<DeFiniTi0N>:\
08:03<abrotman>less enter key
08:03<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: do you know how to use vi or nano ?
08:03<DeFiniTi0N>no
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08:03<DeFiniTi0N>im rely new at linux but i can do what you tell me
08:04<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: *very* carefully, type *exactly* this: echo "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
08:04<leoleen>soloflyer: thanks for your help but still dis and reappearing
08:04<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: the ">>" is extremely important
08:04<DeFiniTi0N>typed
08:04<DeFiniTi0N>next ?
08:05<Zaba>press return :>
08:05<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: so "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" ... verify the line is there
08:05<abrotman>uh .. yeah, hit enter :)
08:05<soloflyer>lol
08:05<DeFiniTi0N>echo "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
08:05<DeFiniTi0N>thas what i typed
08:05<DeFiniTi0N>and nothing happened
08:05*soloflyer is pretty sure that DeFiniTi0N knows how to hit enter :)
08:05<jm_>TCW: defined it in the asoundrc file?
08:05<abrotman>and then hit enter, correct?
08:05<DeFiniTi0N>yep
08:05<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: right, so you "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" to verify it worked
08:05<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, usually, "nothing happened" means "success"
08:06<DeFiniTi0N>sec
08:06<DeFiniTi0N>cat /etc/apt/sources.lis made a list of some stuff
08:06<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, correct.
08:06<DeFiniTi0N>want me to paste it on to pastebin ?
08:06<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: is the line i gave you the last line ?
08:06<abrotman>(or part of it)
08:06<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, does it contain the squeeze-backports line?
08:07<DeFiniTi0N>yes
08:07<DeFiniTi0N>:)
08:07<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: aptitude update
08:07<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, good. Now type 'aptitude update'
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08:07<DeFiniTi0N>its dling
08:07<DeFiniTi0N>done
08:07<TCW>jm_, the last time yes, but before in /etc/asound.conf... both are gone now, so I want to restart alsa without the need to reboot, that's all :)
08:07<DeFiniTi0N>next ?
08:08<soloflyer>leoleen: im out of ideas... sorry :(
08:08<DeFiniTi0N>Zaba Abortman
08:08<DeFiniTi0N>next ?
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08:08<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: what is your current kernel ?
08:08<abrotman>uname -r
08:08<jm_>TCW: heck, even man page says alsactl init restores it to the initial state; even this agrees http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc
08:08<soloflyer>abrotman: 2.6.32 ... scroll up ;)
08:08<DeFiniTi0N>2.6.32-5-amd64
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08:09<abrotman>soloflyer: i wanted the architecture :)
08:09<DeFiniTi0N>next ?
08:09<soloflyer>abrotman: fair enough ;)
08:09<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64
08:09<jm_>TCW: agrees as in agrees with restart the app/sound server
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08:09<DeFiniTi0N>ok im dlin
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08:10<DeFiniTi0N>abortman when we finish im buyin you and soloflyer ice cream :)
08:11<abrotman>oh yay!
08:11-!-mode/#debian [+l 504] by debhelper
08:11<DeFiniTi0N>ok done downloading
08:11<DeFiniTi0N>abortman what next ?
08:11<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, well, now you should have a .38 kernel installed
08:11<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: reboot, say a prayer .. come back here when it's done
08:11<TCW>jm_, http://paste.debian.net/121508/ <- alsactl init, pkill mixer, restart mixer, pre-amp still there
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08:11<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, when you reboot, check the version it shows in the bootloader menu
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08:11<DeFiniTi0N>it says end
08:11<DeFiniTi0N>what should i type ?
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08:11<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, the default entry should be the .38 kernel
08:12<abrotman>i was going to verify that when he came bakc
08:12<Zaba>never hurts to pay attention at what you're booting :P
08:12<DeFiniTi0N>http://pastebin.com/sp1n7nBD
08:12<DeFiniTi0N>this is what it shows me
08:12<DeFiniTi0N>abortman Zaba
08:12<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: oh, hit q
08:12<Zaba>yeah, hit q
08:13<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, it's showing you the changelog
08:13<jm_>TCW: what about "amixer info"?
08:13<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, it hasn't installed the new kernel yet
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08:13<TCW>jm_, http://paste.debian.net/121509/ just as you see, there is no alsa config left, I moved all config stuff away so it should all be default now after restarting apps... but it is not, the one mixer element I try to get rid of is still there.
08:14<DeFiniTi0N>http://pastebin.com/9k9rPVNL
08:14<DeFiniTi0N>this is what it shows me now
08:14<TCW>jm_, http://paste.debian.net/121510/
08:14<DeFiniTi0N>abortman
08:14<DeFiniTi0N>Zaba
08:14<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: and you're back at the prompt?
08:14<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, ok, that means it has installed the new kernel fine
08:15<DeFiniTi0N>ok
08:15<DeFiniTi0N>what next ?
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08:15<jm_>TCW: ok, so only one card - "amixer controls" or "amixer contents" will show more details
08:15<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: reboot, pray, come back here
08:15<DeFiniTi0N>ok
08:15<DeFiniTi0N>;)
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08:15<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: if it fails to work, you can choose the .32 kernel at the bootl .. brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
08:15<TCW>jm_, anything special I should have a look there?
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08:16<TCW>numid=39,iface=MIXER,name='Pre-Amp' <- jm_, that is the one I'd like to get rid of btw :)
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08:16<jm_>TCW: so it's still there; hten I am out of ideas, sorry :)
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08:17<DeFiniTi0N>im back
08:17<DeFiniTi0N>:D
08:17<jm_>TCW: probably unloading sound modules and reloading them would help
08:17<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: what does 'uname -r' say now ?
08:17<DeFiniTi0N>sec
08:17<TCW>jm_, /usr/sbin/alsa reload does exactly that... btdt
08:18<DeFiniTi0N>abortman
08:18<DeFiniTi0N>2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64
08:18<abrotman>looks good, now how is the sound working ?
08:18<DeFiniTi0N>still not working
08:18<DeFiniTi0N>:\
08:19<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: it could be a separate issue now
08:19<DeFiniTi0N>but
08:19<abrotman>soloflyer: said suupport was added when ?
08:19<DeFiniTi0N>i need to istall
08:19<DeFiniTi0N>the drivers
08:19<DeFiniTi0N>^^
08:19<TCW>abrotman, in short words... what issue does DeFiniTi0N have?
08:19<abrotman>TCW: sound no workie
08:20*abrotman can be succinct :)
08:20<jm_>TCW: interesting, perhaps try stracing amixer to see where it gets the info from
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08:20<TCW>abrotman, ok... a bit more detail would be nice I guess :p
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08:20<DeFiniTi0N>im still getting an eror
08:20<DeFiniTi0N>seci ll paste it
08:20<abrotman>TCW: his sound card is too new .. got a .38 from bpo .. not sure it is new enough, we'll find out
08:20<jm_>DeFiniTi0N: verify your mixer settings with "amixer scontents",a lso check /proc/asound/cards
08:20<DeFiniTi0N>http://pastebin.com/ZiFEhFeF
08:21<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: whoa .. don't do that ..
08:21<DeFiniTi0N>but i need sound
08:21<DeFiniTi0N>:\
08:21<DeFiniTi0N>how can i set it up then ?
08:21<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: test your sound first .. is it working ?
08:21<DeFiniTi0N>no its not
08:21<DeFiniTi0N>i told you
08:21<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: there are other things to check first
08:22<DeFiniTi0N>ok hit me
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08:22<abrotman>the version of alsa in squeeze is way newer than 1.0.11 anyway
08:22<TCW>http://paste.debian.net/121511/ <- jm_, strace -o /tmp/asound-figgn.txt amixer controls
08:22<DeFiniTi0N>abortman
08:22<DeFiniTi0N>what next ?
08:23<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: are you running X as root?
08:23<DeFiniTi0N>what you mean X ?
08:23<DeFiniTi0N>just playing old root
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08:23<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: what are you using to test sound?
08:24<DeFiniTi0N>songs
08:24<DeFiniTi0N>xD
08:24<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, aplay -l
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08:24<Zaba>or, hell, pastebin /proc/asound/cards
08:24<DeFiniTi0N>card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 0: VT1708S Analog [VT1708S Analog]
08:24<DeFiniTi0N> Subdevices: 2/2
08:24<DeFiniTi0N> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
08:24<DeFiniTi0N> Subdevice #1: subdevice #1
08:24-!-DeFiniTi0N was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
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08:25<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: paste.debian.net ;)
08:25<jm_>TCW: this just confirms everything you said so far, maybe try #alsa on freenode, sorry I'm out of ideas
08:25<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, why did you suddenly stop pastebinning?
08:25<DeFiniTi0N>http://paste.debian.net/121512/
08:25<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, whenever somebody tells you to show something, be it a file or output of a command, you pastebin
08:25<DeFiniTi0N>ok ^^
08:25<abrotman>(a single line is okay)
08:25<Zaba>abrotman, no, it's not
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08:25<Zaba>abrotman, because it keeps scrolling away
08:26*abrotman has a long scrollback
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08:26<abrotman>anyway .. carry on!
08:26<Zaba>I might want to make my coffee, count to 10, concentrate and calmly read that single line, I don't want to go looking for it :P
08:26<abrotman>seems like his card is recognized now
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08:26<DeFiniTi0N>abortman
08:26<DeFiniTi0N>zaba
08:26<DeFiniTi0N>what next ?
08:26<abrotman>!alsa checklist
08:26<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
08:27<TCW>jm_, that channel is as responsive as a dead penguin :)
08:27<TCW>but... let's see
08:27<DeFiniTi0N>abortman
08:27<DeFiniTi0N>command not found
08:27<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, what did you try to run?
08:27<DeFiniTi0N>i ran mp3s
08:27<mekt>What is a tool for doing text search and replace of multiple-line matches for multiple files?
08:28<Zaba>...
08:28<DeFiniTi0N>they are playing but i dont here anything
08:28<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, run 'alsamixer'
08:28<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: which command not found ?
08:28<DeFiniTi0N>!alsa checklist
08:28<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
08:28<abrotman>mekt: you mean matches over multiple lines?
08:28<mekt>DeFiniTi0N: an alternative is to try Open Sound System.
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08:29<Zaba>mekt, please no
08:29<abrotman>mekt: please don't confuse him
08:29<Zaba>yes, that
08:29<Zaba>it's bad enough as it is
08:29<mekt>abrotman: matches which span multiple lines.
08:29<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, did you run 'alsamixer'?
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08:29<abhilash>hello any one here !!
08:30<DeFiniTi0N>zaba
08:30<DeFiniTi0N>abortman
08:30<DeFiniTi0N>im in the
08:30<DeFiniTi0N>Alsa mixer
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08:30<DeFiniTi0N>what next
08:30<abrotman>mekt: you can use sed .. google "sed multiple line match" should get you something to get started
08:30<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, well, it should be showing you a bunch of stuff
08:30<mekt>!newline
08:30<abhilash>i have a usb HDD , installed ubuntu 11.04 , how i can add this hdd to my laptop grub ??
08:30<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, something along the lines of 'Master' and 'PCM' in particular
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08:31<DeFiniTi0N>what in those lines zaba
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08:31<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, do you see the labels on blue backgrounds?
08:31<mekt>abrotman: no, sed would not work because sed only processes individual lines.
08:31<DeFiniTi0N>what blue background
08:31<DeFiniTi0N>i see
08:31<abrotman>mekt: did you see what i said to google ?
08:31<DeFiniTi0N>playback option sound theme tabs
08:32<DeFiniTi0N>playaback i see head phones PCM front mic and Center
08:32<mekt>abrotman: will try.
08:32<abhilash> i have a usb HDD , installed ubuntu 11.04 , how i can add this hdd to my laptop grub ??
08:32<DeFiniTi0N>abortman zaba
08:32<daemonkeeper>Ask #ubuntu
08:32<abhilash>Which file i have to edit ?
08:33<daemonkeeper>!ubuntuirc
08:33<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
08:33<abrotman>he didn't his grub came from ubuntu
08:33<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, well, generally, you want things to be unmuted and their volume to be high
08:34<DeFiniTi0N>all of them ?
08:34<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, pcm, front, center sound like they might be relevant
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08:35<DeFiniTi0N>zaba
08:35<DeFiniTi0N>still not working :P
08:35<mekt>abrotman: sorry i didn't correctly processes your recommendation. Thanks for it.
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08:36<DeFiniTi0N>abortman
08:36<DeFiniTi0N>zaba
08:37<mekt>!enter > DeFiniTi0N
08:37<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root?
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08:37<DeFiniTi0N>working but im not hearing anything :P
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08:38<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, can you pastebin output of 'amixer'
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08:38<DeFiniTi0N>zaba amixer is a window
08:38<DeFiniTi0N>no text :S
08:38<Zaba>no
08:38<Zaba>amixer prints stuff
08:39<DeFiniTi0N>lol
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08:39<DeFiniTi0N>give me the command for it
08:39<Zaba>it is NOT the same as alsamixer
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08:39<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, the command is 'amixer'!
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08:39<DeFiniTi0N>here it is im pasting it to pastebin
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08:39<DeFiniTi0N>http://pastebin.com/T8g3aP3U
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08:40<DeFiniTi0N>here you go zaba abortman
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08:40<abrotman>are you using gnome or kde ?
08:41<DeFiniTi0N>gnome
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08:41<mekt>How do you get bot dpkg to direct a message to a certain user?
08:41<abrotman>!tell mekt about tell
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08:41<DeFiniTi0N>abortman
08:41<DeFiniTi0N>what next ?
08:42<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, try turning headphones off, maybe
08:42<Zaba>I'm not really sure
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08:42<mekt>!tell DeFiniTi0N about enter
08:42<DeFiniTi0N>but i am using headphones
08:42<Zaba>oh
08:42<DeFiniTi0N>:S
08:42<Zaba>well, I dunno, you'd need somebody who knows how alsa works for this
08:42<DeFiniTi0N>what do you use ?
08:42<DeFiniTi0N>abortman do you know how to fix this ?
08:42<Zaba>alsa, but it works out of the box for me :P
08:43<SynrG>!nick completion
08:43<dpkg>Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one.
08:43<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: he means you may want to ask the #alsa on irc.freenode.net
08:43<SynrG>DeFiniTi0N: use it. you've consistently typoed abrotman's nick
08:43<Zaba>well, ok, not really, but I don't know it in depth
08:43<abrotman>SynrG: you mean my nick isn't abortman ?
08:43<SynrG>abrotman: gotta admit, it's an amusing one. sounds dangerous
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08:44<abrotman>SynrG: it happens frequently enough that I highlight on it :/
08:44<SynrG>heh
08:44<SynrG>you should change it for a day just to mess with people's heads
08:44<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: #alsa is on irc.freenode.net .. not this network
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08:45*abrotman would be .. abotman!
08:45<si458>hi again people
08:45<si458>im going to ask a really dum ass question ere
08:45<si458>how do u set your network so 192.168.190.0 can see 192.168.180.0 network?!
08:45<si458>my minds going blank and has been all day! :(
08:45<SynrG>!route
08:45<dpkg>To add a static route in Debian, just put "up /sbin/route add -net ...." for the relevant network interface in /etc/network/interfaces . See also <interfaces>.
08:46<si458>thats the prob tho
08:46<si458>the is no network interfaces
08:46<si458>its a pptp session
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08:46<SynrG>eh? i don't know how you have a network without a network interface. sorry :)
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08:46<SynrG>there has got to be at least a virtual one
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08:47<mbruins>any good gif edit tool?
08:47<si458>when i vpn into my server i get the server address 192.168.174.174 and an ip of .1
08:47<si458>but i have set my other users to a different address of 192.168.190.1
08:48<si458>and i want the 190 user to see the 174 user
08:48<si458>they need to be seperate ip ranges
08:48<SynrG>mbruins: good for what?
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08:49<SynrG>si458: i have not messed with VPNs in aeons, so i'm perhaps not the best person to answer this, but /sbin/ifconfig should show you a list of all network interfaces. it ought to be possible to set up some rule that triggers on the creation of the interface to create the appropriate route(s)
08:49<mbruins>SynrG: i want to turn this gif i leeched into a loop
08:50<Bushmills>SynrG: animated gif you want to view?
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08:52<Bushmills>ehm... mbruins, i mean
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08:52<mekt>si458: which VPN software?
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08:53<SynrG>mbruins: perhaps gifsicle
08:53<mbruins>Black_Prince: no i want to edit it now it only playes once i want to make a loop for it
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08:53<SynrG>mbruins: that's a function of the viewer
08:54<SynrG>a standalone image viewer will probably just play it once
08:54<DeFiniTi0N>Zaba abortman the dudes in the alsa channel cant help me -.-
08:54<mbruins>SynrG: rly?
08:54<SynrG>a web browser will loop it
08:54<Bushmills>convert of imagemagick might be able to
08:54<TCW>jm_, funny... the mixer element is still there, but at least dmix does work again... so I guess I will ignore that one and see if it is gone next time I restart that box :)
08:54<Black_Prince>mbruins: ?
08:54<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: what did they say?
08:54<SynrG>not sure about this, though.
08:54<DeFiniTi0N>TCW seas i need to be more specific
08:54<DeFiniTi0N>how can i be specific if i dunno what the problem is i just dont get sound
08:54<SynrG>i think i used gifsicle for this before, and observed that behaviour, anyway
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08:54<DeFiniTi0N>If i knew what the prob is i would google it
08:54<mbruins>SynrG: iceweasel doesnt loop it
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08:55<SynrG>hmm. then probably is a function of the file
08:55<Bushmills>-loop n is one of the convert functions for generating animated gifs
08:55<TCW>DeFiniTi0N, yeah... as a new user this can be a bitch :) That's why I asked you if there isn't one around which mal help you... a freind, aperson that can drop by, maybe even e linux group in your city...
08:55<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: but it doesn't throw an error ? can you boot into windows and make sure sound is still working?
08:55<mbruins>Bushmills: thanks ill have a look
08:56<TCW>s/mal/may/
08:56<SynrG>Bushmills: --loop n?
08:56<Bushmills>-loop n, iirc
08:56<DeFiniTi0N>abortman i had windows 10 hrs ago i played songs yt everything :P
08:56<jm_>try using different sound outputs
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08:57<jm_>but off now
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08:57<Bushmills>"-loop iterations add Netscape loop extension to your GIF animation" says the man page
08:57<SynrG>Bushmills: of which tool?
08:57<SynrG>imagemagick, ah
08:57<Bushmills>"-loop n is one of the convert functions for generating animated gifs" ... "convert"
08:57<SynrG>i was talking about gifsicle :)
08:58<Bushmills>i wasn't :)
08:58<SynrG>it has options to tune existing animated gifs.
08:58<SynrG>which is the use case presented
08:58<Bushmills>well, my presented case was "Bushmills: convert of imagemagick might be able to"
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08:58<SynrG>lost in the scroll :)
08:59<si458>im back sorry
09:00<si458>had to go restart my server
09:00<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: is this a laptop or desktop ?
09:00<DeFiniTi0N>destkop
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09:07<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: can you boot windows and make sure it's working
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09:08<DeFiniTi0N>i dont have windows man
09:08<DeFiniTi0N>and its working 100%
09:08<abrotman>huh?
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09:09<mer_at>anyone got experience with the Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, AMD 980FX mainboard and debian squeeze?
09:11<DeFiniTi0N>Zaba Abortman its wokring thanks guys :)
09:11<Zaba>DeFiniTi0N, what did you do to fix it?
09:12<SynrG>DeFiniTi0N: use of pptp on non-windows systems is ... a confusing choice. normally pptp is only chosen for the sake of cooperating with windows systems.
09:12<DeFiniTi0N>Zaba
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09:12<DeFiniTi0N>i just unplaugged and plugged it back
09:12<DeFiniTi0N>xD
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09:12<Zaba>aha
09:12<DeFiniTi0N>the head phones
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09:12<DeFiniTi0N>Zaba where are you from ?
09:12<Zaba>who cares?
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09:12<DeFiniTi0N>your nick sounds like serbian
09:12<SynrG>DeFiniTi0N: sorry, i confused your question for a moment with si458
09:13<DeFiniTi0N>np ;)
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09:15<KotH>moin
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09:15<KotH>can someone tell me how i can force a sequential boot? after an upgrade from stable to testing, my machine is freezing up
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09:16<mbruins>hi, i really dont like the background of grub in debian squeeze i want it minimal how can i change it
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09:18<mbruins>any suggestions? should i join #grub?
09:19<KotH>mbruins: background as in grafics? that should be set in /etc/grub/something
09:19<mbruins>KotH: yes
09:19*KotH has no graphical grub, so does not know where to set/unset it
09:20<mbruins>KotH: no problem thanks for awnsering :)
09:21<KotH>and i'm currently fighting against a freezing system... at boot up
09:21<mbruins>tell me more
09:21<mbruins>after grub?
09:22<mbruins>because for me it freezes 1/3 times
09:22<mbruins>after grub
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09:22<KotH>after grub, when switching graphics modes
09:22<mbruins>yes me too
09:23<mbruins>same prolly not always though
09:23<KotH>the last thing i see is something about drm and then the screen goes into noise
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09:24<KotH>i'm currently looking for a way to force sequtial init, so that i can see what causes it
09:24<KotH>but i cannot figure out how to do so
09:24<mekt>A half way convenient answer to the multiple line search and replace problem: KFileReplace
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09:27<shiloh25_>can anyone point me to a "how to install non-free flashplayer" i have been unable to find one that simply explains installation
09:27<SynrG>hm. too late. but it would be GRUB_BACKGROUND in /etc/default/grub
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09:30<mekt>shiloh25_: packages flashplugin-nonfree.*
09:30<mekt>(though I don't use them)
09:30<shiloh25_>mekt, in synaptic?
09:30<mekt>flash is mostly spam anyway. synaptic search does not handle regular expressions (.*) .
09:31<mekt>but you can use it.
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09:32<hopper7>Since I got a 64-bit machine now, I am switching from i386 to amd64. Is there anything to obey?
09:33<_spOOn_>laws of physics?
09:34<hopper7>_sp00n_: for example
09:34<hopper7>_sp00n_: anything
09:34<TCW>hopper7, you are sure you need a 64bit OS?
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09:35<hopper7>TCW: what's wrong with it?
09:35<KotH>TCW: if you run firefox, you do want a 64bit os :)
09:36<hopper7>KotH: and when running lynx?
09:36<KotH>hopper7: then an 8 bit os is enough ;)
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09:36<hopper7>KotH: where do I get one?
09:36<TCW>hopper7, in general it needs more RAM... but true, it is the only way to install and use MASSIVE amounts of RAM and use it :)
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09:37<hopper7>TCW: yeah, the machine got 4GB of RAM now and I am considering an upgrade to do more virtualization
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09:38<TCW>hopper7, does you MoBo support all of the 4G? For instance, this asus crap I have here does not support the whole 4G... only 3G are "seen"
09:38<hopper7>TCW: It's an HP notebook with 4GB preinstalled and the instructions say max. 8gb. If it is false I will complain at HP
09:39<Zaba>TCW, does it happen to have integrated graphics?
09:40<KotH>hopper7: write one
09:40<KotH>hopper7: doesnt take more than a couple 100 lines of coede :)
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09:40<shiloh25_>tyvm mekt
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09:41<TCW>hopper7, then I guess amd64 is a valid way for you... and no, apart from small details which may need a little love (installing a 32bit chroot for firefox and flash maybe, no idea how good the fairly new 64bit port of adobe flash is...) no issues to consider prior installation.
09:41<hopper7>KotH: hmm... good idea. Especially the part where it comes to integrate Hypervisor capabilities into the core OS is a piece of cake
09:42<KotH>TCW: flash works fine in a 64bit env with debian
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09:42<TCW>Zaba, nope... and I've checked every edge here, this MoBo does just not support all of the RAM installed... 4G are in it, only 3G are seen.
09:42<hopper7>TCW: I will install no proprietary software on the host system. Shit like Flash goes into a 32-bit VM
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09:42<Zaba>TCW, nasty..
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09:43<Zaba>TCW, my netbook just uses ~500MB of RAM as video memory, thus making them unavailable
09:43<KotH>argh... udev crashes my system!
09:43<TCW>Zaba, it's more like *crap* but... :)
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09:43<hopper7>Is there any problem with software in the "main" archive of amd64?
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09:45<TCW>hopper7, sometimes I get the feeling most devs (or at least a really huge number of 'em) use amd64 boxes nowadys... so I guess amd64 should be the one "arch" that gets really a lot of love from the devs.
09:46<TCW>maybe it even surpases i386, maybe it is even there...
09:46<hopper7>TCW: I am surprised to hear this statement from you now; your first was "hopper7, you are sure you need a 64bit OS?" :)
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09:48<TCW>hopper7, 64bit is the future... and if you have more than 4GB installed this is the only way to use it in a sensible way, I know that... but that does not change tha fact that *I* have no benefit at all from 64bit... no box here has more than 4G installed and I really do not need the RAM overhead that amd64 needs compared ti 32bit software, I do not do any sort of number crunching, I do not have exabytes of storage... so, no need for amd64 here ;)
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09:51<hopper7>TCW: okay, memory addresses are twice as large in 64bit systems than in 32bit ones. But this seems to be a disadvantage only for systems that are low on memory
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09:53<mekt>shiloh25_: for more browser fun, try this as a search or limit in aptitude "~Dxulrunner"
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09:54<tdrusk>Hi guys. Trying to get my graphics card to work better. http://pastebin.com/hWdHJWZf I used to use the fglrx driver(I think, whatever ubuntu installed), but I am willing to use the open source driver if it works good. What open source driver should I try?
09:54<TCW>hopper7, I use gnome on some boxes and iceweasel on all of them... so memory IS short! :)
09:54<mekt>tdrusk: what maker?
09:56<tdrusk>mekt: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200]
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09:57<hopper7>TCW: that's a reason to use 32bit systems
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09:57<TCW>hopper7, I couldn't agree more there ;)
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10:12<DeFiniTi0N>Zaba
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10:12<DeFiniTi0N>abortman
10:12<DeFiniTi0N>e again ^^
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10:14<hopper7>the recommended filesystem for standard workstations is still ext3, isn't it?
10:14<TCW>hopper7, that depends... but I guess ext4 is now a good choice
10:15<DeFiniTi0N>TCW
10:15<DeFiniTi0N>hello
10:15<adds>ive been using ext4 for a while now
10:15<adds>havent had any issues...
10:15<adds>*touch wood*
10:15<hopper7>I am not sure if I wanna use an interim filesystem
10:15<DeFiniTi0N>TCW need help cant install some stuff becouse of some errors
10:15<adds>have extended, shrunk, done lvms etc
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10:16<TCW>DeFiniTi0N, ask the channel and not one person :)
10:16<DeFiniTi0N>ok so peapole
10:16<DeFiniTi0N>i get
10:16<DeFiniTi0N>lib32
10:16<DeFiniTi0N>errors
10:17<DeFiniTi0N>Dependency is not satisfiable
10:17<DeFiniTi0N>this is what i get for skype Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: lib32stdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-21)
10:17<DeFiniTi0N>and this is what i get for team viewer Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: lib32asound2
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10:18<TCW>team viewer? O_o
10:18<DeFiniTi0N>yep
10:18<weedeater64>support ekiga
10:18<themill>DeFiniTi0N: please use keys other than "enter" to tell us things, and please put the entire output in a pastebin
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10:18<DeFiniTi0N>themill this is the entire output o.O
10:19<DeFiniTi0N>when i install it via terminal it dosen't work :P
10:20<themill>,versions lib32stdc++6 --arch amd64
10:20<judd>Package lib32stdc++6 on amd64 -- lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.4.5-8; wheezy: 4.6.0-10; sid: 4.6.1-1
10:20<themill>DeFiniTi0N: what version of debian are you running?
10:20<DeFiniTi0N>6.0
10:20<DeFiniTi0N>the newest
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10:20<themill>and what's the output of "uname -r; dpkg --print-architecture"
10:21<DeFiniTi0N>wait wait
10:21<DeFiniTi0N>what do i need to type in the console ?
10:21<everamzah>if i chmod 644 /dev/input/mouse how can i make that change persistent across reboots?
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10:21<lindi->everamzah: why are you doing that?
10:21<cthuluh>with an udev rule, probably. but why do you need this?
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10:22<everamzah>lindi-, quakeworld client ezQuake has evdev mouse support
10:22<everamzah>but requires device file be readable
10:22<themill>DeFiniTi0N: please keep it in the channel so that others can help too when I get called away.
10:22<DeFiniTi0N>ok
10:22<DeFiniTi0N>sure
10:22<DeFiniTi0N>umm how can i recive what you sent me ?
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10:23<DeFiniTi0N>and is that the solution to the problem i am having
10:24<DeFiniTi0N>any one ?
10:25<DeFiniTi0N>themill
10:25<DeFiniTi0N>2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64
10:25<DeFiniTi0N>amd64
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10:26<bst>!tell DeFiniTi0N about enter
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10:27<DeFiniTi0N>can anybody help me ?
10:27<themill>DeFiniTi0N: and can you pastebin the output of "aptitude -f install"?
10:27<themill>!pastebin
10:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
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10:28<DeFiniTi0N>themill : http://pastebin.com/3F87d15L
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10:33<DeFiniTi0N>themill
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10:35<kusanagi>i get this http://paste.debian.net/121522/ when i try to ping the server from the machine thru an vpn with openvpn. Does anybody knows what could be wrong?
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10:38<TCW>what may be the most easy UI for a elderly person who does not use computers in general? Preferable apt-get-able, but... I am fine getting it from elsewhere if it is more or less perfect for non-computer folks...
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10:39<DeFiniTi0N>guys i rly need help with this ?
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10:41<cthuluh>TCW: lxde and xfce are good candidates, imho. though gnome and kde may have better support for accessibility
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10:42<TCW>cthuluh, so much for the general purpose UIs... not what I had in mind :)
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10:44<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: show us the error when you try to install skype
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10:45<DeFiniTi0N>sec
10:45<DeFiniTi0N>Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: lib32stdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-21)
10:45<DeFiniTi0N>abortmn
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10:46<TCW>DeFiniTi0N, 1.) use nick tab complete 2.) the WHOLE output and use a paste service
10:46<DeFiniTi0N>nick tab ?
10:47<TCW>!nick complete
10:47<TCW>!nick completion
10:47<dpkg>Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one.
10:47<DeFiniTi0N>wait TCW,are you talking about my issue now or IRC ?
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10:48<grove>That's about IRC, because you mis-speleld abrotman
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10:49<abrotman>TCW: FWIW, !nicktab
10:49<grove>TCW's second point above is about your problem (or how to get help with it)
10:49<DeFiniTi0N>abortman
10:49<TCW>DeFiniTi0N, you do type abrotmans nick wrong, several times no... I would be pissed if someone types my name so often wrong... so use that nifty feature almost all IRC clients have, which is called "nick-completion" and dpkg explained how it works a few lines above... any problems understanding what it (dpkg is a bot) told you?
10:49<DeFiniTi0N>TCW sry im in a rush :\
10:50<grove>Using nick-completion usually saves time
10:50<abrotman>i'm not going to highlight, so you'll be further slowed
10:50<DeFiniTi0N>sorry abrotman
10:50<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: i want to see the command and the full error in paste.debian.net
10:50<DeFiniTi0N>what command ?
10:51<TCW>abrotman, thanks, wasn't aware of that one :)
10:51<DeFiniTi0N>im installing skype via package installer
10:52<abrotman>wtf is a package installer?
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10:52<DeFiniTi0N>lol
10:52*abrotman doesn't see a joke
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10:53<DeFiniTi0N>the main thing is i cant install it becouse of Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: lib32stdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-21)
10:53-!-mode/#debian [+l 518] by debhelper
10:54<TCW>DeFiniTi0N, and to help you with that, we asked you several times to do something... e.g. paste EVERYTHING... why is that an issue?
10:54<DeFiniTi0N>becouse i use the package installer
10:55<DeFiniTi0N>he specifys only that errror
10:55<abrotman>judd: versions lib32stdc++6
10:55<judd>Sorry, no package named 'lib32stdc++6' was found in i386.
10:55<abrotman>judd: versions lib32stdc++6 arch=amd64
10:55<judd>Sorry, no package named 'lib32stdc++6' was found in i386.
10:55<abrotman>bleh ...
10:55<abrotman>judd: versions lib32stdc++6 --arch=amd64
10:55<judd>Package lib32stdc++6 on amd64 -- lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.4.5-8; wheezy: 4.6.0-10; sid: 4.6.1-1
10:55<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin ?
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10:55<DeFiniTi0N>sure
10:56<TCW>DeFiniTi0N, and abrotman asked you what "the package installer" is. We have no idea what you are reffering to there... is it snyptic? Software sources something (dunno how it is called)?
10:56<DeFiniTi0N>nope its GDebi
10:56<abrotman>ugh
10:56<DeFiniTi0N>and what is the command for /etc/apt/sources.list
10:56<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
10:57<TCW>DeFiniTi0N, or upload it directly with http://paste.debian.net it has a botton to upload text.
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10:57<TCW>button even
10:57<DeFiniTi0N>http://pastebin.com/CHbqrQFv
10:58<grove>Or install pastebinit, and use `pastebinit -i /etc/apt/sources.list`
10:58<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: again .. be very careful .. use this command: echo "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
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10:58<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: remember the ">>" is VERY important
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10:58<DeFiniTi0N>again nothing happened
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10:59<DeFiniTi0N>abrotman
10:59<abrotman>that's fine .. verify it's there with 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list'
10:59<grove>DeFiniTi0N: That command is not supposed to provide output, but to fix a missing line i sources.list
10:59*abrotman gives grove an 'n'
10:59<DeFiniTi0N>http://paste.debian.net/121527/
10:59<grove>abrotman: Thanks
11:00<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: "aptitude update;apt-get update"
11:00<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: then run your gdebi thing again
11:00<mekt>abrotman: why do update in both aptitude and apt-get?
11:01<abrotman>they used to not share .. shouldn't break anything
11:01<grove>What's the point in running both aptitude and apt-get with "update", aren't they supposed to do exactly the same thing?
11:01<abrotman>if they did *exactly* the same thing, would they both exist?
11:01<mekt>grove: are you thinking of 'upgrade'?
11:01<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: did you get skype installed?
11:02<grove>mekt: No, I was asking exactly the same question you asked - just typed slower
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11:02<DeFiniTi0N>no
11:03<abrotman>why not?
11:04<DeFiniTi0N>i will now
11:05<DeFiniTi0N>ok its installed
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11:13<DeFiniTi0N>abrotman big thanks man :)
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11:13<abrotman>oh yeah ... more skype, yay
11:14<DeFiniTi0N>you fixed my issues with this lib32 all of them thanks,so this command is the fix tool for everything ey ?
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11:24<abrotman>DeFiniTi0N: uh what?
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11:26<LuisV>hi there [_]P
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11:33<nerea>hola
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11:33<nerea>hay alguien que quiera hablar con migo?
11:33<sney>!es
11:33<nerea>tu?
11:34<sney>este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en ingles
11:34<gnugr>%es
11:34<dselect>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:34<nerea>no hablame sobre algo mas divertido
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11:36<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:44<detly>I'm using wheezy, with gnome + metacity (shiki theme), and I upgraded gnome-terminal — not realising it would look awful afterwards (there's a few other bits and pieces that seem to have followed suit, too)
11:45<sney>detly: welcome to the gnome3 transition. wheezy/sid support goes to #debian-next also
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11:45<detly>so I should ask there?
11:45<sney>yes
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11:45<detly>thanks :)
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11:48<shiloh25_>sney, tyvm again for the nvidia assistance the other day :-)
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11:50<hopper7>in the Setup it asks me for the time zone and gives choice between "eastern", "central", [...]. Can't I just say gmt+1 somehow?
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11:56<bernat>hopper7, how are you doing it?
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11:58<hopper7>bernat: problem is solved now. The problem was that I couldn't pick German time when setting territory to US at the beginning
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12:13<dingdong>hello
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12:13<dingdong>where can i find the xorg.conf file?
12:13<dingdong>i can't find it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf!!!
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12:13<lindi->dingdong: Xorg works well without it nowadays
12:14<mekt>dingdong: it iss no longer needed, but you can make it. you might want to check out xorg.conf.d
12:14<dingdong>nothing there too
12:14<dingdong>the reason i ask here about it is
12:14<mekt>dingdong: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
12:14<dingdong>the AMD driver doesn't work well on this
12:15<mekt>categorically speaking, that is not surprising.
12:15<dingdong>so i have installed the xorg.radion driver... now i need to add this on to xorg.conf file
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12:15<mekt>(category is AMD / ATI video)
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12:16<dingdong>http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/ati-radeon-hd-5600-help-197167351.html
12:16<dingdong>i guess that will explain or you guys might have a better solution for me
12:17<opalepatrick>bit mad with myself, I was advised a few months ago how to sort out a prob with imperceptible sound in radio broadcasts form bbc and youtube. I seem to remember that I was missing some codecs on install. Thought they were w32 or w64?
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12:18<ballison>I have a stupid user question -- > When I'm using Thunderbird and I click a link it sends me to Chrome. How do I switch that back to using Firefox instead?
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12:18<opalepatrick>I have the W64 installed OK but cant find w32 codecs?
12:19<ZykoticK9>opalepatrick, you only need one, eitehr w64codecs or w32codecs (both from !dmm)
12:19<dingdong>mekt : sorry that file seems to be empty
12:20<opalepatrick>hmm, thanks ZykoticK9, so then it is a different set.
12:20<mekt>ballison: galternatives
12:21<ZykoticK9>opalepatrick, it's the same set just for different architectures
12:21<mekt>ballison: if it is using that, otherwise it might be a different XDG registration.
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12:22<opalepatrick>Sorry I meant that it is something else that I need to install to get the sound working correctly. It took me ages to suss it out last build. You'd think I would make a note of everything wouldn't you?
12:23<ZykoticK9>opalepatrick, sound, in a particular video/audio file or sound generally on system?
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12:25<opalepatrick>good question, all youtube videos and the like, radio podcasts from bbc. All imperceptibly low, just hear a murmur on max.
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12:26<ZykoticK9>opalepatrick, i doubt w64codecs will help with that - sounds like a flash issue
12:26<dingdong>mekt : can u give me a help on this xorg.conf.d
12:26<patrickh>do you have adobe flash?
12:27<opalepatrick>actually I dont, but I just tried a cd in sound juicer and no sound either
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12:27<opalepatrick>I will gewt flash
12:27<opalepatrick>get
12:27<ZykoticK9>opalepatrick, cd audio is also not a w64codec issue, try your mixer - see if CD is muted or turned down
12:27<ballison>Where is the "system default browser" set in debian? Somehow Chrome is now my default.
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12:27<patrickh>i doubt if its the problem of you also have the problem with a cd
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12:28<mekt>dingdong: you can try Xorg -configure . I have no other idea.
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12:28<patrickh>maybe try to take a look at 'alsamixer' from the command line (are you using pulse audio?)
12:28<opalepatrick>It looks like an alsa mixer, now I am sure previously I had pulse working
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12:29<dingdong>Oh, i just need to add the driver in there..
12:29<ZykoticK9>ballison, the values of gnome-www-browser and x-www-browser - the program galternatives is a GUI method to set them
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12:30<opalepatrick>nice one patrickh - the LFE was on 0 - I turned that up and bingo
12:30<patrickh>i remember i also had some problems with the sound but after removing all pulse audio packages and fiddling with the command line version of alsamixer stuff started working again
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12:30<opalepatrick>for CD anyway :-)
12:30<patrickh>ah nice
12:30<opalepatrick>What the hell is LFE
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12:32<patrickh>dunno subwoofer?
12:32<ballison>Zykotick9: thanks - that worked!
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12:33<dingdong><lindi->
12:34<dingdong>lindi- : can u give me a help on xorg.conf
12:34<dingdong>i just need to add just driver on this file..
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12:34<SynrG>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-frequency_effects
12:35<opalepatrick>Thanks SynrG. And thanks patrickh & ZykoticK9 - all sorted quicker than I expected :-)
12:36<patrickh>glad i could help you
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12:37<dingdong>patrickh : any help over here with xorg.conf
12:37<SynrG>counterintuitive what you did should have solved the problem :/
12:37<SynrG>opalepatrick : ^^
12:38<SynrG>a case of mislabelled channels?
12:38<patrickh>dingdong: let me know
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12:38<opalepatrick>Yeah I just read your reference and it doesnt make sense as sound went up across the board.
12:38<dingdong>patrickh : this is my issue
12:38<dingdong>http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/ati-radeon-hd-5600-help-197167351.html
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12:39<dingdong>i need to add the radeon driver in the xorg.conf file
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12:39<dingdong>now i can't find the xorg.conf file,
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12:39<jhutchins_lt>!xorg.conf
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12:40<patrickh>i have a laptop with a radeon card and i use the open source driver
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12:40<patrickh>sry i meant he debian packaged driver
12:40<patrickh>darn he = the
12:40<dingdong>nstalled xserver-xorg-video-radeon
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12:41<jhutchins_lt>dingdong: xorg.conf is optional these days. You can create it with X --configure
12:41<patrickh>and xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd? i don't know you card's chipset
12:42<bernat>dingdong, better not having xorg.conf unless your really need it
12:42<dingdong>lspci out put is VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Redwood [Radeon HD 5600
12:42<patrickh>maybe you need the package i showed you
12:42<jhutchins_lt>bernat: Using radeon drivers is a case of needing it.
12:42<patrickh>xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
12:43<dingdong>i didn't use the hd ?
12:43<patrickh>you didn't say so
12:43<jhutchins_lt>!tell dingdong about radeon
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12:43<jhutchins_lt>Where's the blasted bot now?
12:43<bernat>jhutchins_lt, I didn't deny it
12:44<jhutchins_lt>dselect: radeon?
12:44<dselect>Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>.
12:44<bernat>it has disconnected
12:44<jhutchins_lt>dondelelcaro: dpkg mia again.
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12:44<bernat>jhutchins_lt, dselect is the same as dpkg?
12:44<jhutchins_lt>bernat: I think it's a backup of the same database.
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12:44<jhutchins_lt>bernat: Or not, I'm not sure.
12:45<bernat>ok, thanks
12:45<dingdong>i have installed already... i need to see if there is any difference
12:46<bernat>!radeonhd
12:46<dpkg>radeonhd is a deprecated open source display driver for Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx chipsets. Packaged as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd, ask me about <radeon firmware>. radeonhd does not support <KMS> (Debian bug #575226). http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeonhd #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net. Removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #612190, ask me about <radeon>.
12:46<jhutchins_lt>dpkg: Welcome back.
12:46<dpkg>it's good to be home :)
12:46<jhutchins_lt>bernat: So no, dselect doesn't duplicate dpkg.
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12:47<patrickh>dingdong: and what screen resolution do you get without and xorg.conf?
12:47<jhutchins_lt>Er, again, I'm probably wrong.
12:47<dingdong>1366x768
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12:48<themill>!dselectbot
12:48<dpkg>The bot "dselect" is a back-up bot for dpkg when dpkg needs a rest. His database is a snapshot of dpkg's and factoid editing is disabled.
12:48<mekt>dingdong: if you only need 2D, you can try the fbdev driver.
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12:49<dingdong>patrickh: i prefer this driver since this guy had a better result...
12:50<patrickh>maybe create an xorg.conf then with a device section pointing to driver 'radeon'
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12:50<dingdong>yes.. thats what i need to do..
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12:51<dingdong>i just created the file.. but no idea what shall i write there? do u think its better to kill the current one with ctrl+backspace then run xorg - configure?
12:51<bernat>ah, wonderful bot land
12:51<patrickh>Section "Device" Identifier "Radeon blah blah card" Driver "radeon" EndSection
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12:51<patrickh>Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "Radeon blah blah card" Monitor "Generic Monitor" EndSection
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12:55<bernat>I just need the device section -> man xorg.conf
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12:55<dingdong>how to kill the current gdm
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12:56<br0kend>t
12:56<daemonkeeper>/etc/init.d/gdm stop
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12:57<daemonkeeper>(eventually you do have gdm3 actually)
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12:58<dingdong>and that command not working...
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12:58<dingdong>daemonkeeper: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
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12:59<SynrG>as root, obviously. and as daemonkeeper said, it's either 'gdm' or 'gdm3'
12:59<SynrG>depends on which one you have installed
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12:59<SynrG>both are present in squeeze.
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13:22<EmleyMoor>Is there a limit to the size of a smbfs that can be seen by a Win7 box?
13:23<EmleyMoor>(getting rather odd "out of space" messages when the actual disk is under 50%)
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13:28<EmleyMoor>Ah, found the problem
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13:28<abrotman>it really was full ?
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13:29<EmleyMoor>No - there's not enough space on the Windows box to create the system image
13:29<EmleyMoor>(that's not important anyway really - but the files are)
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13:31<EmleyMoor>(still only at 47% even now - with the backup of this system still going!)
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14:06<adeyemi>hello
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14:07<adeyemi>i want to add a windows xp network printer to my lubuntu. how please?
14:08<adeyemi>i want to add a windows xp network printer to my lubuntu. how please?
14:08<adeyemi>i want to add a windows xp network printer to my lubuntu. how please?
14:08<adeyemi>i want to add a windows xp network printer to my lubuntu. how please?
14:08<adeyemi>i want to add a windows xp network printer to my lubuntu. how please?
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14:08<dingdong>horrible
14:08<ompaul>not like that I guess
14:08<dingdong>can't get this xorg.cong work well
14:08<dingdong>errrr
14:08<dingdong>i will be so happy if someone could help me...
14:08<ompaul>!ask
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14:09<dingdong>ompaul : i have downloaded the driver (xorg.radionhd)
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14:09<dingdong>i need to add this on my xorg.conf
14:09<ompaul>dingdong: stop - one moment please
14:10<dingdong>ompaul : stopped : for 1 min
14:10<jhutchins_lt>dingdong: Have you considered following the directions at http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo ?
14:10<ompaul>dingdong: please don't suggest a solution, now what version of debian are you using
14:10<ompaul>dingdong: the ideas of most sites other than the debian ones tend to break on debian which is why debian has its own howtos and wikis
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14:12<dingdong>ompaul : debian release 6.0.2
14:12<dingdong>squeeze
14:12<dingdong>kernel version linux 2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64
14:12<dingdong>gnome 2.30.2
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14:12<ompaul>dingdong: in that case I strong advise you to look at the link that jhutchins_lt pointed to
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14:14<ompaul>dingdong: also note that if you want unsupported except by ati drivers there is this page, http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
14:14<ompaul>but the latter won't help clean upgrades
14:15<dingdong>Radeon HD 5600
14:15<dingdong>this card is not listed there...
14:16<ompaul>dingdong: please read the line again it says "For Debian Squeeze and later releases, you will need to install proprietary firmware if you have one of the following Radeon-based cards: "
14:16<ompaul>your card is not listed which makes it a plus I guess
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14:16<dingdong>ok
14:16<dingdong>sorry bad english...
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14:17<ompaul>dingdong: not a problem
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14:19<dingdong>if i read correctly i should follow the "the radeonhd page "
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14:20<wargreen>hi everybody
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14:21<wargreen>anyone know how to select an frequency up to 85hz for the screen with gnome-display-properties ?
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14:21<wargreen>(and sorry for my english...)
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14:21<SynrG>dingdong: i think that is incorrect ...
14:22<dingdong>:(
14:22<shiloh25>wargreen, what vid card, driver, etc?
14:22<SynrG>dingdong: as the radeonhd page refers back to the radeon page for HD 5000 series
14:22<SynrG>and in any case, that's 'for more details' not a howto for debian
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14:23<shiloh25>wargreen, normally its here, Menu>System>Preferences>Monitors
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14:24<wargreen>shiloh25 > it's an radeon 9200 card and Diamond pro 2020u screen
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14:25<shiloh25>wargreen, i dont do ATI, so if it isnt there someone else will have to assist you
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14:25<wargreen> shiloh25> I just make xrandr --prop, and I think it's a false EDID
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14:26<wargreen> shiloh25> under windows I can go up to 100hz 1600*1200
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14:29<SynrG>you would specify it in the normal way via /etc/X11/xorg.conf or if you like, some file in /etc/X11/conf.d/
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14:30<SynrG>wargreen: so, for example, when the EDID was screwed on my radeon + Viewsonic monitor, i just made /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/viewsonic_p810.conf containing: http://paste.debian.net/121542/
14:30<SynrG>it's possible you could go even more minimal than this
14:31<SynrG>in particular, i don't know if i even need a ServerLayout section, as i think in the absence of one, it will use the first matching sections
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14:32<wargreen>SynrG > Thx, I go look this !!!
14:32<SynrG>the Modes is probably not needed
14:32<SynrG>i've added it because i actually want *fewer* modes than would otherwise be available
14:32<SynrG>as the high res modes on this CRT really suck
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14:35<SynrG>wargreen: oh, and it goes without saying (but for the sake of completeness i will anyway) HorizSync and VertRefresh must be adjusted for your specs
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14:37<mihaum>hi, so, I've got a HP LaseJet P1102, compiled foo2jzs drivers, installed cups, but cannot print, debian squeeze, no xorg, plus, wanna share it via samba with other machines, anyone up to help me?
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14:38<mihaum>tried google for last 2h, no results
14:38<wargreen>SynrG > hum, first I look if my card can really display 1600*1200 @ 100Hz... Maybe the DAC is lower than an other 9600 pro... ?
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14:39<mihaum>"Backend /usr/lib/cups/backend/hp does not exist!" - got this arror @cups managing system
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14:50<retrospectacus>!qotd0
14:50<dpkg><pickcoder> good grief.. why is it so tough to get usb cam working <abrotman> no one wants to see you
14:50<EmleyMoor>In a file manager window, how do I get the "drive/folder browser" to appear on the left? (as opposed to not at all)
14:50<retrospectacus>EmleyMoor: F9
14:51<retrospectacus>also, the "View" menu
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14:52<EmleyMoor>retrospectacus: Not working
14:53<EmleyMoor>No action on F9 - nothing relevant on View menu
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14:53<EmleyMoor>(nautilus if it helps and wasn't assumed)
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14:55<retrospectacus>same - I have View - Side Pane (F9)
14:55<retrospectacus>nautilus 2.30.1
14:55<EmleyMoor>Same here but no mention of Side Pane
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14:57<retrospectacus>odd. I don't know
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15:00<EmleyMoor>Got it - needs "always use browser" ticked in Configuration Editor
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15:05<mihkel>Hi. I'm trying to install debian into previously encrypted partition. During installation process it deletes data on that partition. It is painfully slow. Like on 160 gig hdd it thakes hours. Is it supposed to be that slow?
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15:05<mihkel>I'm using 6.0.2.1 businesscard iso
15:05<daemonkeeper>mihkel: Yes, because you are securely erasing data.
15:06<daemonkeeper>That's not really necessary though
15:06<rudi_s>(Which isn't really secure though.)
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15:07<mihkel>So I just have to wait :(.... I really hoped that there was a bug in debian installer :)
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15:07<daemonkeeper>Well, you could skip this step ...
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15:10<mihkel>but then it won't delete previous LVM groups
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15:11<daemonkeeper>Sure, just don't choose to "erase data" upon installation, just get rid of partitions (or volumes)
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15:17<mihaum>Ok, I dealt with it, but got another problem -- how to add a network printer in xfce?
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15:18<daemonkeeper>xfce perhaps uses Cups?
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15:19<daemonkeeper>if so, point your browser to http://localhost:631
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15:21<mihaum>daemonkeeper, the printer is connected to the other machine, I want to print via network
15:21<daemonkeeper>Same
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15:21<mihaum>ok
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15:25<jackdaniels>hello
15:25<jackdaniels>can someone help me with an init-script to unmount, remount and mount ??
15:26<mihaum>hmm, CUPS doesn't find that printer while I can print via windows XP/7
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15:27<daemonkeeper>mihkel: Try instructions from http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/database/databaseintro
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15:30<priyesh>hi, my debian server fails to boot, seems to be a problem with the SATA disk, i got this error once from GRUB: "hd0,msdos1 out of disk". now I get nothing. Just: No boot device available. sometimes i get "ata3: SRST failed (errno=-16)" from the debian live cd
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15:42<dominick>Hi! I just tried to aptitude upgrade, which returned with an error saying "no space left on device", and df shows / partition is used 100%. What can I do to make space?
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15:43<priyesh>what does 'error: hd0,msdos1 out of disk.' mean?
15:44<nyov>dominick: first try 'aptitude clean' to remove downloaded packages in the cache
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15:44<nyov>unless you want to keep them
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15:45<dominick>nyov, but wouldn't that also remove the files downloaded for upload?
15:45<dominick>s/upload/upgrade
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15:46<nyov>dominick: yes, you would need to get them again. are you doing something large, like a dist-upgrade?
15:46<r4co0n>dominick, check the instructions to free disk space from the release notes on upgrading: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#sufficient-space
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15:47<xlorn_>?
15:47<xlorn_>help /?
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15:48<dominick>nyov, not a dist-upgrade. Anyways, to remove the old cache, I ran aptitude clean, and aptitude upgrade, it's begun downloading about 400 MB, but / still is used up 100% with Available 0
15:49<dingdong>http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo in this section explain about rebuilding kernel
15:49<Knorrie>hmz, i just aptitude upgraded my wheezy desktop, and now the mouse is disfunctional X (wmii). I have a mouse arrow, I can move it around, but window focus does not follow the movements, clicking and scrolling has no effect either
15:49<dingdong>can someone point out how to do that?
15:49<r4co0n>dingdong, the howto cant?
15:50<dingdong>r4co0n : didn't understand.. (sorry bad english here)
15:50<nyov>dominick: if your /var is another partition than /, you'll have to manually make some space from whatever is using it up on /
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15:51<dominick>nyov: my /var is separate. how do I find out what's taking up the space?
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15:52<dingdong>to rebuild the kernel ! thats the part i don't understand, how to get the kernel rebuild?
15:52<Black_Prince>dominick, I would guess files in /var/log
15:52<dingdong>terminal or some another command?
15:52<patrickh>dominick: du -a /var | sort -n -r | head -n 10
15:52<dominick>Black_Prince: but my /var is a different partition.
15:52<patrickh>then du -a / | sort -n -r | head -n 10
15:53<Black_Prince>dominick, /var/log is on that partition for gods sake ...
15:53<Black_Prince>My logs used to grow to 2.5 GB ...
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15:53<nyov>dominick: or du -h --max-depth=1 / for some indication
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15:54<r4co0n>dingdong: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage
15:55<r4co0n>dingdong, first google hit for "rebuild debian kernel"
15:55<jackinthebox>i have a problem with pxe can someone help it is outlined on http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/13913/pxe-help-please/
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15:55<dominick>nyov, the output of the last command is http://paste.debian.net/121543/
15:56<dingdong>OMG ! i will screw up that for sure,,,
15:56<r4co0n>dingdong, u probably are gonna break something, use backups
15:56<dominick>nyov: that's not the complete output. Wait.
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15:57<dingdong>all i need was just getting better screen resolution
15:57<Diboc>o.o?
15:57<dominick>nyov: http://paste.debian.net/121544/
15:57<patrickh>dingdong: still dont have the right screen resolution?
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15:58<r4co0n>dingdong, maybe u ask a question about how to achieve that, including your setup, system asoasf
15:58<dingdong>http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/ati-radeon-hd-5600-help-197167351.html
15:58<r4co0n>apparently he did that...
15:58<Diboc>sh archive.run
15:58<Diboc>Next, next
15:58<patrickh>dingdong: did you manage to create a xorg.conf?
15:58<dingdong>yes
15:59<dingdong>now i can see the refresh rate appeared...
15:59<dingdong>earlier it was blank
15:59<nyov>dominick: what does df -h say?
15:59<dingdong>driver is radeon
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15:59<dingdong>now i need to change the resolution
15:59<patrickh>what is your current screen resolution?
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16:00<dingdong>1366x768
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16:01<dominick>nyov: err... I had a debian installation iso in /mnt/. deleted that, and it now shows 41%.
16:01<dominick>thanks guys!!
16:01<patrickh>i could give you my complete xorg.conf of my radeon laptop, but it was tailored to disable the screen of the laptop
16:01<dingdong>oh
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16:02<dingdong>i can give a try
16:02<patrickh>k sec
16:02<Diboc>o.o
16:02<Diboc>go ati.com
16:03<Diboc>search your driver :/
16:03<dingdong>Diboc: the ati driver from there doesn't work well
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16:03<dingdong>with help of another person here i had achieved better results..
16:03<Diboc>okay
16:04<Diboc>*.*
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16:08<patrickh>ingdong: http://paste.debian.net/121545/
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16:08<patrickh>but be careful with it or you have no display at all
16:08<sney`>argh dnsmasq, why must you hardcode your config file's location
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16:15<biduzido>hey guys, i've downloaded firefox in my debian, it runs but the interface is odd
16:15<biduzido>squared buttons, and so on
16:15<biduzido>iceweasel is okay though
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16:17<daemonkeeper>So, use Iceweasel?
16:18<biduzido>i'd like to give FF5 a run
16:18<biduzido>but I do use iceweasel
16:18<tdrusk>biduzido: did you follow these instructions? http://mozilla.debian.net/
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16:19<biduzido>oow, no, I just downloaded from getfirefox.com
16:20<biduzido>tdrusk, i'll give it a look, thanks
16:20<tdrusk>no prob.
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16:20<daemonkeeper>Note those packages are unsupported
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16:21<bernat>biduzido, I think iceweasel 5 is in experimental
16:22<daemonkeeper>judd: versions iceweasel
16:22<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-6; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-7~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-7; sid: 3.5.19-2; wheezy: 3.5.19-2; experimental: 5.0-1
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16:22<daemonkeeper>mozilla.d.n may (or may not) provide a backport though.
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16:23<biduzido>bernat, true, experimental...
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16:24<biduzido>what if I'd like to run it right from the tar file? Provided by mozilla
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16:25<biduzido>I think I met the dependencies, but it still with a weird interface
16:26<daemonkeeper>You may ask this Mozilla people, its beyond our control what they put in their tarballs and if that suits your requirements.
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16:27<biduzido>daemonkeeper, hmm okay.. I'll reach to them =D thx
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16:27<themill>daemonkeeper: I presume you're ware that mozilla.debian.net is provided by the iceweasel maintainers
16:27<daemonkeeper>themill: biduzido meant the mozilla tarball
16:27<themill>ack
16:28<daemonkeeper>He was pointed to mozilla.d.n afterwards.
16:28<themill>I thought you were referring to them as being "unsupported"
16:28<daemonkeeper>Ah, well that too. But for another level of unsupported.
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16:29<themill>they're in the "if they break the maintainer wants to know and they shouldn't eat your first born" category.
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16:31<daemonkeeper>Since those packages come from the same maintainers as official packages you can presume, the overall quality is high and the packages are in good shape. Yet they are unsupoorted (with the same meaning as is Debian stable is supported)
16:31<daemonkeeper>-is
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16:36<alberror>hi !
16:36<daemonkeeper>!hi
16:36<dpkg>hello, daemonkeeper
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16:36<alberror>would someone be kind an help me with a little wifi problem ?
16:36<daemonkeeper>This was not exactly what I wanted
16:36<alberror>didn't find any solution on the Internets
16:36<daemonkeeper>Just ask.,
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16:37<alberror>thx, actually, my wifi login interface just says "peripheral not ready"
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16:37<alberror>(sorry for the translation, i don't know it in english)
16:38<alberror>i installed iwlwifi
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16:38<alberror>it should be up and running
16:38<alberror>but nothing :'(
16:39<alberror>i have to say : i had wifi connection at first, but it disapeared after a few days
16:39<daemonkeeper>Did you install the firmware? By the way, we have a French channel as well
16:39<alberror>i installed the firmware
16:39<alberror>and wireless-tools
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16:40<daemonkeeper>What exactly do you mean by "wifi login interface"?
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16:41<alberror>the options close to the clock, on the navigation bar on the top of my desktop
16:41<alberror>where you have your battery, etc
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16:41<alberror>don't know the name
16:41<alberror>:$
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16:41<themill>nm-applet
16:42<alberror>GLib-GIO:ERROR:/build/buildd-glib2.0_2.28.6-1-i386-A3fp41/glib2.0-2.28.6/./gio/gdbusconnection.c:2279:initable_init: assertion failed: (connection->initialization_error == NULL)
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16:42<daemonkeeper>That's not your problem.
16:42<alberror>erf sorry :D
16:43<alberror>kind of a newbie
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16:43<daemonkeeper>However this goes beyond my knowledge, I never used NetworkManager. My suggestion would be to take a look into dmesg and use some iwconfig.
16:44<alberror>ok thx for your help, i'll try to explore this way
16:44<daemonkeeper>Basically try: ifconfig wlan0 up, look into dmesg, if everything seems ok, try to configure your WLAN by using iwconfig and/or wpa_supplicant
16:45<alberror>[18338.346451] iwlagn 0000:0c:00.0: Driver unable to support your firmware API. Driver supports v5, firmware is v0.
16:45<alberror>could this be the problem ?
16:46<alberror>ifconfig wlan0 up just prints an invalid argument
16:46<daemonkeeper>This is your problem, yes
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16:46<alberror>I seem to have a compatibility problem between my driver and my firmware, right ?
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16:47<daemonkeeper>Yep, which kernel and firmware are you running?
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16:48<alberror>uname
16:48<alberror>oups
16:48<alberror>2.6.32-5-686
16:48<alberror>^^
16:48<daemonkeeper>So that's the Squeeze kernel
16:48<alberror>and for the firmware... ?
16:48<daemonkeeper>And how did you install the firmware?
16:49<alberror>from there http://packages.debian.org/fr/squeeze/firmware-iwlwifi
16:50<alberror>sourcing the repository non-free, installing firmware-wifi and wireless-tools
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16:50<daemonkeeper>Hmmm
16:50<Black_Prince>Are you sure you are using card supported by that firmware?
16:50<daemonkeeper>This could be a kernel bug
16:50<daemonkeeper>http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/longterm/linux-2.6.32.y.git;a=commit;h=6f63415fc1b690cb50c2ad48ba6e9e6e88e271b4
16:51<daemonkeeper>Or actually a Debian bug
16:51<daemonkeeper>Because of the kernel change
16:51<alberror>black-prince : yes, i have an intel 5100
16:51<alberror>a kernel bug ?
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16:51<Black_Prince>ah, ok. does dmesg show anything strange about wifi?
16:51<alberror>GLib-GIO:ERROR:/build/buildd-glib2.0_2.28.6-1-i386-A3fp41/glib2.0-2.28.6/./gio/gdbusconnection.c:2279:initable_init: assertion failed: (connection->initialization_error == NULL)
16:52<Black_Prince>I don't think dmesg would show that.
16:52<alberror>so I guess I just have to wait for a fix ? Or can I change anything ?
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16:52<alberror>yes it does, Black_Prince, I just did it again, and that's the only strange thing I can read
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16:53<Black_Prince>alberror, just for information, which debian release are you using?
16:53<alberror>squeeze stable
16:54<Black_Prince>I am just wondering why it does show about glib 2.28.6
16:54<daemonkeeper>Do you still have older kernels installed, alberror?
16:54<alberror>No, I made a fresh install
16:54<alberror>from scratch, I mean
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16:55<alberror>do you think I could fix it by downgrading to lenny ?
16:55<daemonkeeper>Not that far
16:55<daemonkeeper>I am curious if an older squeeze kernel works for you
16:55-!-pengyang [~pengyang@dyn-155-98-5-34.coe.utah.edu] has joined #debian
16:56<daemonkeeper>i.e. one released before May.
16:56<alberror>I would love to do such a strange thing ;)
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16:56<Bushmills>alberror: one with basic and apl in rom?
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16:56<alberror>basic and apl, Bushmills ?
16:56<Bushmills>oops, srry... "intel" not "ibm", grin
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16:57<Bushmills>ibm 5100, aka scamp, i somehow read
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16:57<alberror>erf, you mean : not a good wifi card ?
16:58<daemonkeeper>alberror: Could you try with this kernel: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux-2.6/2.6.32-34/ - beware, this kernel has security flaws, use it just for testing purposes
16:59<alberror>ok, so I should probably make a big backup first
16:59<daemonkeeper>Well, this kernel is not going to eat your hard disk
16:59-!-cjuner [~cjuner@frnk-590d2647.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #debian
16:59<daemonkeeper>Just don't keep it running.
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17:00<alberror>ok ^^
17:00<daemonkeeper>Making backups never hurts though ...
17:00<daemonkeeper>You know which packages you need?
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17:02<alberror>tar.gz probably ?
17:02<daemonkeeper>This one http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20110505T002605Z/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.32-5-686_2.6.32-34_i386.deb
17:02<daemonkeeper>Most likely you also need http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20110505T002605Z/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-base_2.6.32-34_all.deb
17:03<alberror>error : a later version is already installed
17:03<ernesto_>hola
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17:04<daemonkeeper>Yes, unfortunately.
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17:05<alberror>this non-free / free thing is a pain, sometimes :D
17:05<Black_Prince>use --force-downgrade
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17:06<jy>Hi if I am on debian squeeze latest version but I have the wheezy line in my sources.list and I am installing upgrades from this wheezy repository, will I run into any trouble?
17:06<daemonkeeper>alberror: That said, what Black_Prince mentioned, be aware you could make your system unbootable. Make sure you know how to recover if your system won't boot anymore.
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17:07<alberror>mmm ok
17:07<alberror>so I'll probably won't try that
17:07<jy>More specifically I am installing the latest version of Recoll from the wheezy rep..
17:07<alberror>I'm sorry, you lost your time, but I don't feel comfortable enough to do it
17:07<daemonkeeper>Well, its a bit tricky yes.
17:07<Black_Prince>Don't do it. Your box may explode :P
17:08<Black_Prince>Also, dpkg should only print warning when downgrading package ...
17:08<jy>Black_Prince, was that meant for me?
17:08<Black_Prince>Since --force-downgrade is enable by default according to dpkg --force-help
17:08<Black_Prince>jy no
17:08<daemonkeeper>Black_Prince: The problem is not the force-downgrade but the fact, he's replacing his running kernel
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17:09<Black_Prince>Ah yes, well that can't hurt if done correctly ...
17:09<daemonkeeper>If he's not entirely sure the kernel will work, he ends in a broken system, he has to recover from a cd
17:09<daemonkeeper>alberror: Never mind, However your problem seems to be a bug in Debian, hence I was curious. If you don't feel brave enough to try it, that's fair enough.
17:10<alberror>ok great
17:10<alberror>thank you very much for your time, folks
17:10<alberror>you've been really nice
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17:10<daemonkeeper>Alternatively you could install a bpo kernel or so, and try to boot from that one, in case of a problem
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17:11<alberror>the next kernel update could fix this, right ?
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17:12<daemonkeeper>Only if we can report the issue :>
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17:12<alberror>han ok
17:12<daemonkeeper>judd: kernels
17:12<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc5-686-pae (3.0.0~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3)
17:12<alberror>but the link you gave me, isn't it a report of the issue ?
17:13<daemonkeeper>the link I mentioned is a commit in the long-term support tree of the Linux kernel changing your driver to support v5 firmware.
17:13<alberror>han ok
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17:13<daemonkeeper>I suspect the iwlwifi firmware shipped in a separate Debian package is incompatible.
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17:14<daemonkeeper>So my idea would have been to try an older kernel and see how things go. If your driver works, that's a bug.
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17:14<alberror>ok
17:14<alberror>then I'll find this recovery distro and try to force a downgrade
17:15<alberror>after a good backup :D
17:15<daemonkeeper>Would you mind to try the backports kernel? You could use that one as backup boot kernel
17:15<alberror>ok
17:15<daemonkeeper>!bpo
17:15<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905
17:15<daemonkeeper>Please follow instructions and install 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 then. This should be safe, as it can be installed parallel to your kernel.
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17:16<alberror>ok
17:16<alberror>thank you, I try this and I tell you
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17:19<jy>what is the command to remove a package completely along with all the libraries it exclusively uses? will apt-get purge remove packagename remove everything?
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17:19<daemonkeeper>jy: purge will do what you want. If you want to remove dependencies as well, use apt-get autoremove afterwards.
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17:20<jy>so if I understand this correctly, if I do apt-get purge autoremove package_name will it remove dependencies in one go?
17:20*Black_Prince prefers apt-get autoremove --purge
17:21<daemonkeeper>jy: Those are two separate commands, actually
17:21<jy>Ah so prefers apt-get autoremove --purge package is (purge + autoremove)?
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17:22<daemonkeeper>jy: you do apt-get remove --purge whatever; apt-get autoremove
17:22<Bushmills>jy: or use aptitude purge ...
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17:22<jy>what is aptitude? Like the full form of apt?
17:22<daemonkeeper>!aptitude
17:22<dpkg>it has been said that aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude
17:23<jy>!why-aptitude
17:23<daemonkeeper>without -
17:23<jy>ah
17:23<jy>thanks
17:23<daemonkeeper>Also please use /msg dpkg keyword
17:23<jy>will do. thanks
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17:25<jy>wow - dpkg is very well written. Does it have an online (http) equivalent?
17:25<Bushmills>jy: it may be useful to have a script like for example http://scarydevilmonastery.net/rc which lists or purges the configs of autoremoved packages in case those weren't purged but only removed
17:26<daemonkeeper>jy: ircbots.debian.net
17:26<jy>thanks Bushmills, how do I use that script then. make it executable and run it?
17:27<Bushmills>yes. without args it lists, with arg "purge" it purges remaining configs
17:27<jy>nifty! (@ daemonkeeper!)
17:27<jy>bookmarked that
17:28<jy>going to try it out Bushmills
17:28<daemonkeeper>jy: See also ask.debian.net
17:28<s_i_m>have not check the script, but aptitude purge "~c" does similar thing
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17:32<jy>If I may ask, how do all manage to be here and answer questions day after day without getting bogged down with the tedium of it all?
17:33<jy>does that even have a simple answer...
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17:33<s_i_m>he. I am here only when I feel like it would be fun
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17:35<jy>ask.debian.net --> is amazing!
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17:35<jy>thanks so much for that daemonkeeper
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17:36<Spewns>hello folks
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17:37<s_i_m>hello, Spewns
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17:39<jy>hello
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17:44<Spewns>there seems to be a recent update to network-manager pushed to squeeze-backports
17:44<Spewns>but it wants to remove network-manager-gnome when you install it for some reason
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17:46<Black_Prince>Spewns, it looks like network-manager-gnome isn't backported yet
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17:47<priyesh>hi.. i've got boot problems. any ideas (details here: http://bit.ly/kr9H4M)
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17:51<Spewns>Black_Prince: is there a reason why the updates wouldn't be pushed out simultaneously? (just curious)
17:52<Black_Prince>Spewns, I don't know. That's up to maintainers
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17:52<daemonkeeper>And maintainers may be different, for a backport that's another story again
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17:52<Black_Prince>judd versions network-manager-gnome
17:52<judd>Package network-manager-gnome on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.6-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.6.6-4+lenny1; lenny-backports: 0.7.3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8.1-2; sid: 0.8.4-2; wheezy: 0.8.4-2; experimental: 0.8.9997-1
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17:53<Black_Prince>You can always backport it yourself ...
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17:56<Spewns>yes, thank you
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18:16<jy>Bushmills, I think I might not be entirely clear on the usage of that script you linked. I made it executable. But I am not seeing the place for arguments.
18:16<jy>how do I do this?
18:17<Bushmills>jy: call it either "rc" or "rc purge"
18:17-!-Kaimei is now known as zz_Kaimei
18:17<Bushmills>"rc purge" purges configs of those packages listed by "rc"
18:17<jy>renamed it rc purge (with the space?)
18:18*Bushmills headscratches
18:18<Bushmills>try: echo foo
18:18<Bushmills>try it until you see a new line showing "foo"
18:19<jy>I mean I saved the script as rc purge
18:19*cthuluh prefers aptitude search ~c / aptitude purge ~c
18:19*Bushmills is too lazy for that
18:19<cthuluh>that's what you get for drinking bourbon ;)
18:21<jy>I admit I am quite confused... so what does echo foo have to do with anything?
18:21<jy>it gives foo
18:21<jy>but how does that link up to the script I saved as "rc purge"
18:22<Bushmills>now take the mental step of replacing "echo" against "rc" and "foo" against "purge"
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18:22<jy>okay..
18:22<jy>what now?
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18:22<Bushmills>call your script simply "rc"
18:23<jy>AHA!
18:23<jy>lol
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18:23<cthuluh>or learn how to use aptitude :)
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18:24<jy>I typed aptitude search ~c as well and got aptitude search ~c
18:24<jy>I mean I got c linux-image-2.6.30-2-amd64
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18:24<jy>If I now do aptitude purge ~c it will delete this file..
18:25<Bushmills>grin ... http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1309472710829132120d.png time comparison
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18:26<jy>Reading this now: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/index.html
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18:27<jy>So bushmills after I named the script rc and made it executable what should I do. I am sorry I am not able to connect some dots here
18:27<jy>right clicking and executing it does nothing
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18:28<Bushmills>are you sure you're running debian, and not, maybe, ubuntu?
18:28<s_i_m>Bushmills, aptitude starts slowly but its patterns are in general more powerful.
18:28<jy>yes, debian it is
18:28<jy>(crunchbang, actually)
18:28<s_i_m>search patterns, i mean
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18:29<daemonkeeper>Crunchbang is not Debian
18:29<jy>really?
18:29<daemonkeeper>No, its a derivative.
18:29<jy>All of my kernels are debian
18:29<s_i_m>all your kernels are linux
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18:30<Bushmills>none of your kernels are belong to us
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18:31<Bushmills>that "right clicking" gave you away :)
18:32<jy>hehe - yes, I am also on windows
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18:32<jy>and I am very recent convert
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18:32<jy>tried ubuntu too, but crunchbang was faster
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18:33<jy>also tried a debian netinstall from scratch
18:33<jy>but missed a ton of things I usually take for granted
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18:33<jy>went back to crunchbang since that was the closest thing to debian and yet, not ubuntu or windows
18:34<jy>(history in short)
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18:34<Bushmills>usally people add stuff to their basic netinstall installation
18:34<jy>have been reading quite a lot...
18:35<Bushmills>and there are rumours that nowadays debian even allows installation of graphical user interfaces
18:35<Bushmills>(those one can do right-clicks in)
18:35<jy>Yes, I tried adding quite a lot of stuff... but new things that I missed kept popping up and it was a effort to find out what everything was individually. I didn't even have a clue about what search-terms to use to get what I wanted
18:36<Bushmills>how can you miss things if you don't know what you're missing?
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18:37<jy>As a example when I click "show in folder" in chrome instead of turning up in say, Thunar. it would show the file within a directory structure in chrome. I had no idea how to link them up.
18:37<jy>But something like crunchbang solves these little things for me
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18:39<Bushmills>but - recognizing that crunchbang and debian are different makes your earlier statement that you're running debian somehow questionable
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18:39<Bushmills>they can't really be the same if they're different, can they?
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18:40<Bushmills>consider also the possibility that answers you get, suitable for debian, may not work for crunchbang
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18:42<jy>I thought CB was a live-debian cd with some applications... Not true?
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18:42<jy>All my sources are debian
18:42<jy>So I am not sure I get the difference...
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18:43<s_i_m>jy, if you get tired of crunchbang and decide to move to debian but have the same selection of installed packages, you may do the trick described here http://www.mariusv.com/dpkg-selections-to-backup-and-install-packages/
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18:44<jy>Thanks, that is fabulous s_i_m
18:44<jy>I think that is an excellent way to build from netinstall
18:44<jy>The problem was knowing what to install to get where I wanted to go....
18:46<Bushmills>there'll be some problems with packages such as the mentioned "chrome" as debian doesn't provide a package with the same name
18:46<jy>hmm... didn't think of that..
18:47<veeblefeester>I have Mepis 11 running but want to go to Debian. Any way to get rid of the Mepis stuff and leave only Debian?
18:47<jy>the linux world needs uniformity in naming convention
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18:47<Bushmills>"Chromium serves as a base for Google Chrome, which is Chromium rebranded (name and logo)"
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18:48<craigevil>veeblefeester, install a debian kernel, reboot into debian kernel then remove the mepis packages in Synaptic
18:49<veeblefeester>Where find how-to on installing Debian kernel?
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18:50<s_i_m>Bushmills, jy: the problem with a few packages that do not belong to the official Debian repository is solved by either adding the non-official repos to sources.list or by just manual editing of the list of the packages.
18:50<Bushmills>veeblefeester: debian kernels are installed as any other package, through package manager
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18:51<craigevil>Google Chrome adds its repo to your sources.list unless you tell it not to, so does Opera
18:51<Bushmills>s_i_m: sure. but that's one needs to know when trying to restore installation state of another debian-based system to debian
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18:51<veeblefeester>Bushmills, craigevil: So I can use synaptic in Mepis to install Debian kernel? That's easy!
18:51<foxxx0>hey guys
18:52<Bushmills>veeblefeester: that's something you should ask the #mepis channel
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18:52<foxxx0>i'm planning to build a new raid5 with 4* 2TB Samsung F4, with 4k-avanced-format -> are there any advices or rules which i should know? filesystem ext3 or ext4 ? should be a simple SW-raid with mdadm
18:52<Bushmills>veeblefeester: you can install debian kernels into debian that way. nothing i can say about non-debian. it may burn down your house, if you're unlucky.
18:54<nyov>no, it can't
18:54<veeblefeester>Bushmills, craigevil : Thanks, will drop out of this Knoppix and try it.
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18:55<jy>craigevil, hmm... I don't see the chrome repo in my sources list
18:55<jy>and I didn't stop it from doing anything
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18:56<s_i_m>jy, look inside /etc/apt/sources.list.d
18:57<craigevil>jy: if it came preinstalled it may not be there but it is probably in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
18:58<cirzgamanti>hi, after updating to the 2.6.39 kernel, my soundcard (shown as HDA ATI SB ALC888 in phonon) is messed up. i suspect it's a firmware problem, as apt-get indicated something like that. it also suggested to install a certain package to remedy this, but i can't remember the name. any ideas?
18:58<cirzgamanti>(debian testing)
18:58<jy>Actually I removed Chromium (that came with the Crunchbang) and installed Google chrome. And there is nothing in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
18:59<cirzgamanti>soundcard still works in .38, so a way to put .38 as first grub choice (machine is for my father, needs to be foolproof) would be a solution
19:00<s_i_m>jy, deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
19:00<jy>ah, I installed chrome-beta
19:00<jy>Maybe they removed this behaviour....
19:00<foxxx0>simply edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg in case of grub2, but beware of grub-mkconfig - will overwrite
19:00<foxxx0>there should be options in /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub/* to set the priority
19:01<foxxx0>@ cirzgamanti
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19:03<cirzgamanti>foxxx0: thx, will try that
19:04<cirzgamanti>although a fix to make the new kernel run would definitely be nice too ;)
19:04<jy>thanks for that deb link. I added it manually to my sources list and changed stable to testing
19:04<jy>Now synaptic shows the latest chrome-beta
19:04<jy>nice1
19:05<jy>(another thing I didn't know how to do..)
19:05<foxxx0>cirzgamanti: you can try to get the sources, copy /boot/config-*.38 to src-dir, run make menuconfig (build-essential, gcc, make, libncurses5-dev required), check the options under device-drivers, and build the kernel manually
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19:05<cirzgamanti>maybe modifying /boot/grub/grub.cfg would even be a good idea, so that later updates will use the default order again, hoping that the problem will be fixed by then :)
19:05<retrospectacus>the correct method is to edit /etc/default/grub and then run update-grub2
19:06<cirzgamanti>foxxx0: i haven't built a kernel for many years, and would really like to keep it that way...
19:06<retrospectacus>that could work too but that file is a lil harder to make sense of
19:06<cirzgamanti>retrospectacus: but the worst that would happen would be that the next update nullifies my edits, right?
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19:06<foxxx0>cirzgamanti: place a copy of the modified grub.cfg to another directory and use an @reboot-cronjob to replace the grub.cfg with your version on every boot, could be a simple workaround
19:07<retrospectacus>ha... worst is your computer will not boot
19:07<retrospectacus>back it up at least
19:07<foxxx0>should be clear
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19:07<foxxx0>but he should be able to rebuild a working one with grub-mkconfig
19:08<jy>see you all later. thanks for your patience and time in answering my lame questions
19:09<foxxx0>but now i'm outta here, 1.08 AM @ GER, bye guys
19:09*jy waves
19:09<s_i_m>well, probably the simplest thing is to remove the 2.6.39 kernel if it is not going to be used (with the metapackage that depands on it).
19:09<retrospectacus>\o jy
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19:10*foxxx0 says gn8 @ all
19:10<cirzgamanti>s_i_m: i thought of that, but i'd like the system to get the newest kernel, and don't know if that will break this service
19:10<cirzgamanti>also, i'm still hoping to find a fix to make the sound card run with .39 and future kernels
19:10<cirzgamanti>it was working with .38 after all
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19:12<cirzgamanti>k, switched the .38/.39 in /boot/grub/grub.cfg for now
19:12<s_i_m>cirzgamanti, the sound card driver is loaded but no sound? or what problem precisely you have?
19:13<cirzgamanti>s_i_m: strange problem: with .39 the sound only appears on one output, and only very faint when pulling the hardware volume all to the right
19:13<cirzgamanti>with lots of static
19:13<cirzgamanti>so i guessed it's some messed up driver
19:13<s_i_m>cirzgamanti, have you checked the mixer levels in alsamixer?
19:14<cirzgamanti>i used kmix, but should be the same, no?
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19:15<s_i_m>well, I trust alsamixer more
19:15<s_i_m>and I do not have KDE
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19:20<s_i_m>good night, everyone
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20:16<Presently42>Though I have the kde-l10n-engb and kde-l10n-ja packages installed from debian unstable (KDE 4.6.4), the systemsettings in KDE doesn't list the languages. I tried in #kde, but some one suggested that I try here. Any clues?
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20:21<Axalon>I'm having a problem. I downloaded XFCE and the only way I know to switch to it would be from the log in screen. I have myself set to auto login so I went to Login Screen in the Gnome System menu and clicked the lock icon to make changes.
20:22<Axalon>Unfortunately, it won't unlock, it won't even ask me for my password. If no one knows what could be wrong with that, is there another way I can switch the default DE?
20:23<cthuluh>hmmm, perhaps do you need to gksudo that app?
20:23<cthuluh>to get root privileges
20:23<Axalon>I shouldn't need to, I never have before
20:24<cthuluh>I don't use gnome thus I can't help further, sorry
20:24<Axalon>Well thanks for trying
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20:26<chealer>Presently42: did you have this problem before?
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20:28<Axalon>Nope, never
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20:28<Axalon>Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize that wasn't directed at me. Carry on.
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20:31<Presently42>chealer, I've had it for some time, now.
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20:35<chealer>Presently42: approximately how long?
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20:47<jmmccune>considering migrating from Xen to KVM with Debian Squeeze. I have some existing VMs that use LVM volumes as disk partitions. It looks like KVM likes its virtual disks to actually have partition tables, etc. Is there an easy way around this without copying all of the data?
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20:49<ichdasich>jmmccune: direct kernel boot (http://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html#elementsOSKernel)
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20:50<ichdasich>boot the disks with initrd/kernel supplied via these arguments, and just use /dev/vda as root-device (root=/dev/vda)
20:50<Presently42>chealer, I can't recall the last time that the languages were available. It was certainly in the KDE4 series, but more than that I do not recall.
20:51<ichdasich>jmmccune: using plain kvm should work analogus. but i'd recon libvirt anyway.
20:51<Presently42>Switching between British and American English is subtle and can go unnoticed for some time. ;-)
20:53<jmmccune>ichdasich: thanks, i do plan to use libvirt. i guess my next battle is just figuring out the right syntax for everything :)
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20:53<funkyHat>I seem to be experiencing http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=559578 or some related bug, on wheezy with linux-image-686-pae 2.6.39+35.1 and eeepc-acpi-scripts 1.1.11. On an EeePC 900, but that bug was marked fixed archived long ago
20:53<funkyHat>I guess I should file a new bug?
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20:56<chealer>Presently42: well, it works for me with kde-l10n-fr 4:4.6.3-1
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20:57<chealer>Presently42: do you want to try that?
20:57<Yoamayaz>debian users?
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20:58<ZykoticK9>funkyHat, does your EEE 900 really have more then 4GB RAM?
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21:00<funkyHat>ZykoticK9: no (that would be nice). I can't remember why I chose that one. In fact I have a feeling it's just what the installer picked
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21:00<chealer>funkyHat: for such a general problem, I would recommend to open a new report, yes. you can mention the existing report anyway and reports can be merged later if necessary.
21:01<ZykoticK9>funkyHat, that's certainly possible, seems things default to PAE these days...
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21:04<funkyHat>ZykoticK9: I figured it wouldn't do any harm to leave it, I don't imagine it would have any effect on the issue I'm having
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21:04<funkyHat>Perhaps I'll try the 486 kernel just to be sure
21:04<funkyHat>Thansk chealer ⡈)
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21:04<funkyHat>Also thanks
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21:06<Presently42>chealer, I think I did try that, actually, both version and language.
21:06<Presently42>I'll try again.
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21:28<jh2os>Hey, has anyone seen jester45 recently?
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21:40<test>hi- how do i make the fonts in the terminal when i press ctl-alt-f1 look better?
21:42<cthuluh>if you have kms (intel chip for example), you have almost nothing to do except a dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
21:42<cthuluh>if you don't you'll have to boot with the proper grub parameter (GRUB_GFMODE or something)
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21:43<test>what are the differences between utf-8 and the iso stuff?
21:43<test>do i want to use utf?
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21:44<test>do i need to reboot after running dpkg-reconfigure?
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21:48<jmmccune>ichdasich: success all around. thanks again.
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21:57<th>test, AFAIK: no
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22:02<Presently42>chealer, I tried the kde-l10n-fr 4.6.4 (the repos no longer have 4.6.3); no joy.
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22:24<majnemer>I am having a bit of trouble installing Debian Testing on my Mac, anybody have experience with such things?
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22:26<majnemer>hmm
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22:26<majnemer>looks like it actually worked, but I cannot see anything on the screen… it must be using a different display...
22:27<finguesbass>hey
22:27<finguesbass>hello
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22:29<matt_>#mythtv-users
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22:31<majnemer>gah
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22:32<majnemer>how do I prevent linux from changing the frame buffer during boot?
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22:39<ZykoticK9>majnemer, i certainly don't know any specifics about Macs (I'd never own one) but you might want to try the nomodeset kernel option at boot, if the GUI is giving you a black screen
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22:40<majnemer>ZykoticK9: I installed without any GUI stuff, I figure that the kernel is just trying to up the rez
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22:46<sney>majnemer: what mac is it? old or new? intel or ppc? etc
22:46<majnemer>sney: Mac Pro, rather new, Intel
22:47<sney>yeah, the nomodeset kernel option should do it
22:48<sney>or something like vga=771 (which locks it to 8-bit 800x600)
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22:48<ZykoticK9>sney, i thought vga= lines where deprecated, am i mistaken?
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22:49<sney>ZykoticK9: they are, but they still work. grub just throws a warning.
22:49<ZykoticK9>sney, thanks
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22:49<sney>I use one on my system with nvidia graphics because I'm too lazy to look up gfxpayload syntax
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22:53<clocker>Need the perms and ownership of /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated anyone?
22:54<ZykoticK9>clocker, -rw-r--r-- 1 root Debian-exim 23348 Jun 25 13:50 /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated
22:54<clocker>Thanks very much ZykoticK9
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22:59<sret>doesnt debian still use any sort of SysV code anywhere?
22:59<sret>does*
22:59<sret>or sysv is entirelydead
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23:14<jy>Hi, does anyone know of a repository that I can add to my sources list - and which has pulseaudio 0.9.23 the latest?
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23:15<jy>I have the wheezy line on my sources list and after an update pulseaudio version in synaptic is still 0.9.21
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23:24<Nemoder>judd versions pulseaudio
23:24<judd>Package pulseaudio on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.10-3+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.9.10-3+lenny2; lenny-backports: 0.9.21-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.21-3+squeeze1; sid: 0.9.21-4; wheezy: 0.9.21-4; experimental: 0.9.22-1.1
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23:33<jy>hmmm so none of them has the latest version?
23:35<sney>jy: do you need a feature in the latest version? when there's a version lag it's usually because of build failures on some arch
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23:38<jy>ah, so maybe I shouldn't go in for the latest?
23:38<jy>I had alsa and it was causing a ton of crackling everywhere plus skype wouldn't work
23:39<jy>so I checked out pulseaudio
23:39<jy>and their page gave me the latest version
23:39<jy>which didn't match with the synaptic version
23:40<jy>I found this page: http://debian.orson.at/ meanwhile
23:40<jy>it has the latest pulseaudio http://debian.orson.at/list_repository/list_repository.php?s=experimental&c=main&a=amd64
23:40<jy>but you think its too risky?
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23:41<jy>I am not very experienced with linux - hence the question. I can tackle small problems etc. but not system failures or major crashes
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23:42<jy>also someone told me that the new version fixes the initial low default sound through laptop speakers
23:43<jy>(its always been okay with headphones but the volume is reallly low with laptop speakers)
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23:49<l0rd_w4rEz>gReEtz e^ery1
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23:54<jy>What happens to the older files when you run an apt-upgrade?
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23:54<jy>Do they lie around and clutter the system?
23:55<jy>or do they get deleted or overwritten when the new updates roll in
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23:56<meridionaljet>Hello. Is someone available to help me with an issue on Debian Squeeze?
23:57<jy>Also, when I mark something for installing synaptic, it upgrades a ton of stuff each time. Are all the upgrades actually linked to the package I selected for installation or is synaptic just pouncing on the opportunity to install systemwide random updates?
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23:57<jy>I am new to debian.. but I can try
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23:58<jy>Also, if you ask your question someone will see it eventually and post an answer if they know about the topic
23:58<jy>I have had answers after 4 hours even
23:58<jy>But that is still faster than posting on the net
23:59<meridionaljet>I'm on a Dell Laptop, and the story goes that my gnome randomly froze after a resume from suspend. I dismissed this as a random error and rebooted. My computer now won't boot, and hangs on "Starting Gnome display manager gdm3." I even left it for two hours to see if it would eventually boot, but it won't. I tried multiple times.
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