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---Logopened Fri Jul 01 00:00:37 2011
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00:02<jmmccune>Using KVM my guest fails to find root filesystem on /dev/vda
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00:02<jmmccune>/dev/vda does not exist
00:03<jmmccune>(It is supposed to be /dev/vda; I have the guest's filesystem directly on a logical volume in the host. (It used to be a Xen VM)
00:03<jy>any chance you are using ATI?
00:03<jmmccune>jy: can you be more specific?
00:03<meridionaljet>Jy - Yes I am
00:03<meridionaljet>If you're talking to me
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00:04<jmmccune>sorry to have caused confusion
00:04<jy>jmmccune, that was directed at meridionaljet who has a gdm hanging problem
00:05<jy>did you have the ATI proprietary drivers installed meridionaljet
00:05<meridionaljet>Yes, I had them working
00:05<jy>do you recall changing any settings?
00:05<jmmccune>basically my setup is the same as the one described here:
00:06<jmmccune>I was successful using Ubuntu 10.04, and went to do the same thing in Squeeze (AMD64) and am having trouble booting
00:06<meridionaljet>Not really. After properly executing the install my graphics worked fine, didn't need to change anything
00:06<jy>meridionaljet, did you install them recently?
00:06<meridionaljet>Yes, a day before the error happened
00:07<jy>hmmm :/
00:07<meridionaljet>I was configuring a new install recently
00:07<meridionaljet>I did edit xorg.conf as well for compiz, but that had worked beautifully on a previous identical installation
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00:07<meridionaljet>don't know why anything of that nature would cause a problem now
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00:07<meridionaljet>I have this error from a gdm log
00:07<meridionaljet>(polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:2250): polkit-gnome-1-WARNING **: Error enumerating temporary authorizations: Remote Exception invoking org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Authority.EnumerateTemporaryAuthorizations() on /org/freedesktop/PolicyKit1/Authority at name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1: org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: Cannot determine session the caller is in
00:07<meridionaljet>polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
00:07<meridionaljet>The application 'polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1' lost its connection to the display :0.0;
00:07<meridionaljet>most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed
00:07<meridionaljet>the application.
00:08<meridionaljet>Not sure if it's related directly
00:08<jmmccune>might I need to do something special with the initrd that I use?
00:08<jy>there is something wrong with the ATI proprietary driver, I say this because I had a really tough time with all sorts of crazy display and hanging problems when I installed them. Since then I have wiped them out and have no problems since
00:08<jy>meridionaljet, maybe the other system had nvidia?
00:09<meridionaljet>No sir, this is the same laptop and the same Debian distribution
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00:09<meridionaljet>Does that log error seem to have anything to do with the boot error?
00:09<meridionaljet>Or is it unrelated
00:11<jy>well, taking a wild guess here but it is some session-related error - and thus a user-specific settings error. So maybe the hang happens when its getting ready to log you in. Do you have autologin set up in gdm?
00:12<meridionaljet>No I have to type my password at the login screen
00:12<meridionaljet>I never even get to that screen though
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00:13<jy>hm.. ideas here:
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00:14<jmmccune>indeed, I seem to be missing the virtio* modules in my initrd; is that expected?
00:15<meridionaljet>would fsck check anything that would be tied in with gdm3?
00:16<nyov>jmmccune: you shouldn't have an initrd on squeeze
00:16<jmmccune>/boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd64 ?
00:17<nyov>jmmccune: if you have an initramfs and want special module in there, put them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and run update-initramfs
00:17<jmmccune>nyov: ah, let me try that
00:19<jy>oh man. this person had the same problem and installed windows!
00:19<nyov>meridionaljet: that error message is probably the cause of your problem
00:19<jy>not that I am recommending it...
00:19<meridionaljet>nyov, that's good to know that it's related. Now the question is how to fix that error
00:19*jy thinks nyov might know about this better
00:20<nyov>meridionaljet: i could only guess
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00:21<jy>Good luck with your solutions meridionaljet... I have to go now, its getting late and I work early tomorrow....
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00:21<meridionaljet>Thanks for your help jy
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00:21<meridionaljet>nyov - any suggestions at all would be appreciated
00:21<jy>If I think of something I will post on the debian forums. I still think gdm has a conflict with ATI
00:22<meridionaljet>I have a forum post here
00:22<jy>I couldn't get it to work with the ATI driver and abandoned the idea
00:22<meridionaljet>if you have any ideas
00:23<jmmccune>nyov: that solved it! I have successfully booted my KVM guest. Many thanks!
00:23<jy>okay - good luck. I think you will find a solution here eventually..
00:23<nyov>jmmccune: great.
00:24<jy>It is up to you nyov!!
00:24*jy waves
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00:24<funkyHat>meridionaljet: do you happen to have an ssh server set up on the machine?
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00:26<nyov>meridionaljet: have you tried what the last poster in your thread suggested?
00:27<funkyHat>or I guess any other externally accessible service you can use to check whether the system is completely frozen or if it's just a graphics issue
00:27<meridionaljet>I am not using Nvidia, and I have already gone into recovery mode (that's how I got the logs)
00:27<meridionaljet>I may try renaming the xorg.conf anyway just to see if does anything
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00:28<meridionaljet>funkyHat - No
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00:28<funkyHat>meridionaljet: try moving xorg.conf first, that's a good idea
00:29<meridionaljet>I'll do that then, and probably report back here if it doesn't work
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00:42<majnemer>sney: I get strange things going on in the console
00:42<majnemer>rather, the default pseudo terminal
00:42<majnemer>when I type, I cannot see the resulting letters!
00:43<sney>is this a new behaviour or was it always like this? You can reset a terminal by typing 'reset' and hitting enter
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00:43<majnemer>this is the first I was able to get debian running on the box
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00:43<majnemer>before I stopped the mode switch, it would just give me blackness
00:44<majnemer>now I can sort of use it but sort of not
00:44<majnemer>I can type just fine at the login prompt
00:44<majnemer>but then things go weird
00:45<majnemer>once I type in my username and hit enter, I am at the password prompt
00:45<majnemer>but it does not actually print out "password: "
00:45<majnemer>just a bunch of blanks
00:45<sney>and when you type your password and hit enter, what happens next?
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00:45<majnemer>if I hit the space, I get many more blanks… which I assume is the standard login text
00:46<majnemer>and the bash prompt
00:46<majnemer>the bash prompt is actually visible for whatever reason
00:46<majnemer>if I type "ls", I see the ls
00:46<majnemer>if I hit enter, I get a line of nothing
00:46<majnemer>and the prompt is gone
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00:46<majnemer>when I type now, I see nothing
00:47<ani>i manually install kernel 2.6.39 in stable , bot header and image how to i get nvidia work now
00:47<sney>!nvidia dkms howto
00:47<dpkg>A manual for installing the proprietary <nvidia> drivers can be found at
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00:47<majnemer>if I run a command like top, I see the updates… if I type "top", I can see top output just fine...
00:47<majnemer>when I quit top, I see my prompt again
00:48<majnemer>running reset lets me see the prompt again
00:48<majnemer>"ls" output occasionally shows up
00:49<sney>majnemer: weird
00:49<majnemer>no kidding!
00:49<majnemer>maybe I should just install X
00:49<sney>what if you ssh into it?
00:50<majnemer>good idea, didn't think of that
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00:52<majnemer>sney: it works great
00:52<sney>ok, so it's a local tty problem only
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00:52<sney>depending on how you're using this machine, I guess that could either be a big problem or no problem at all
00:52<ani>sney, i already try those dkms cant build it , so i get the kernel source of nvidia 275 from sid and build it via m-a a-i
00:53<majnemer>sney: its not super big
00:53<majnemer>what X driver do you recommend?
00:53<meridionaljet>nyov if you're still around - I tried creating a new xorg.conf using Xorg -configure, and got a lot of errors
00:54<nyov>meridionaljet: why would you do that? have you tried running without an xorg.conf?
00:54<meridionaljet>Yes, it didn't work
00:54<meridionaljet>I heard that creating a new one might work
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00:55<sney>majnemer: the appropriate one for your gpu, of course. I don't know what mac pros ship with these days.
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00:55<sney>if it has a nvidia card, you can follow the howto that dpkg linked above
00:56<meridionaljet>I have this error after attempting "startx" from recovery terminal: (ww) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:002:0:1) found SELinux: Disabled on system, not enabling in x-server
00:57<ani>fglrx for Ati as far i know
00:57<nyov>meridionaljet: if it worked with your old xorg.conf, then keep that
00:58<nyov>meridionaljet: is that error also there, when starting startx with your old xorg.conf?
00:58<meridionaljet>startx without one
00:58<meridionaljet>will give black screen
00:58<meridionaljet>And as I said, new xorg.conf won't generate
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00:59<nyov>meridionaljet: but does it start x?
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00:59<nyov>meridionaljet: I mean, even with that warning, it could still start
00:59<meridionaljet>It gives the error I spoke of
00:59<meridionaljet>It doesn't I get no graphics
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01:00<nyov>meridionaljet: can you pastebin that xorg.conf? and /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
01:01<ani>i may need to upgrade to sid :|
01:01<ani>or boot in to old kernel
01:03<meridionaljet>Here is Xorg.0.log - Note that some of the errors at the end I believe are from attempting Xorg -config
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01:03<meridionaljet>xorg.conf I'll have to reboot again to get
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01:04<nyov>meridionaljet: then let's ignore that for now
01:05<nyov>meridionaljet: your X is segfaulting. no wonder it won't start
01:05<meridionaljet>Not sure what that means
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01:08<nyov>meridionaljet: are you running squeeze?
01:08<ani>1 thing guys why ntfs-3g not working while i am booting , its saying unknown file system ntfs-3g. but after boot mount -a working file
01:08<nyov>ok, I heard fglrx is broken in unstable. but no idea why it fails for you there.
01:09<meridionaljet>Do you suppose I would be able to boot if I uninstalled my graphics drivers
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01:11<nyov>it's definitely fglrx' fault. but maybe someone here is interested in fixing it with you. maybe it's a bug
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01:12<nyov>meridionaljet: wait a second, can you check your xorg.conf,
01:12<meridionaljet>I'm almost done downloading a faster liveCD, at which point I'll get on IRC and be able to access files without rebooting
01:12<nyov>tell me if you wrote PCI:0@2:0:1 in there for the gfx card?
01:13<meridionaljet>I don't believe so. I only edited it for Compiz window manager
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01:16<nyov>meridionaljet: well if you can, paste that xorg.conf
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01:16<meridionaljet>I'll be booting into a LiveCD in 5 mins or so, then I will
01:17<nyov>but I'll have to leave now
01:17<nyov>someone else can probably help you better anyway
01:17<meridionaljet>Well thanks for your help
01:17<kusanagi>hi, I think i found out a bug installing request-tracker3.8. Can anybody help me recover my broken package system?
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01:19<nyov>kusanagi: you don't have a hostname?
01:20<kusanagi>$ hostname --> backend
01:20<kusanagi>Id say i do have
01:22<nyov>probably your apache can't verify that hostname and rt install errors out because of that
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01:23<sney>when you restart apache (with /etc/init.d/apache2 restart) does it complain about not reliably being able to determine the hostname?
01:23<nyov>put it in your /etc/hosts with your IP
01:23<nyov>i'll be gone now.
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01:25<kusanagi>mmm that may be it :o
01:25<kusanagi>im going to investigate further
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02:13<bills>so... linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common on debian squeeze was updated a couple of a weeks ago, and since then, i have been unable to build compat-wireless ... i tried to file a bug report, but it didn't seem to work
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02:14<s_i_m>bills, no other changes besides updating linux-headers?
02:14<bills>s_i_m: not that i'm aware of, the compile error specifically relates to the kernel headers... do you have a preferred pastebin?
02:15<s_i_m>use any
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02:15<bills>builds fine on my workstation at work which is debian testing... unfortunately, i'm not quite sure how to turn the drivers into a deb, so i can install them on my laptop
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02:16<bills>the compile problem happens with all the nightlies from compat-wireless i tried, even the ones that built fine, previously.
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02:17<jm_>this needs a fix in compat-wireless
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02:19<bills>jm_: are you certain? the compat-wireless code hasn't 'changed', but the headers have... if you remove that definition from the headers, it continues on to another error about seq not being a member of netlink_something
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02:19<bills>and it builds fine on debian testing...
02:19<jm_>bills: yes, debian includes netdev_name in that version
02:20<jm_>bills: with which kernel version in debian testing?
02:20<bills>jm_: oh, cool, thanks... i can't tell you how much searching through google i've done up until today, when i finally just searched 'debian irc' :P
02:21*bills applies the linked patch
02:21<jm_>yeah possibly wireless-compat just checks for kernel version and omits that part of the code, haven't checked
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02:22<jm_>possibly = most likely
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02:24<bills>jm_: awesome, thank you... it built fine this time... :)
02:25<bills>finally i can use the non-janky realtek driver again
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02:30<jm_>bills: no worries
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02:31<mihkel>Hi. I installed brand new wheezy yesterday, but now I have a problem. In pekwm and in urxvt I can't type non-ascii chars
02:32<mihkel>and for non-root user locale is set to posix. Why
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02:35<mihkel>I can type non-ascii chars in iceweasel
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02:35<mihkel>and in bash (ctrl+alt+f2)
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02:46<Jarlaxe>hi guys, i rushed out a machine from boxes (amd 1,5GHz), installed the last testing (2.6.39 taste), and surprise, PS/2 mouse and keyboard don't function once system installed (but does during installation) ! I found a hint to fix the mouse with psmouse. any hint for the keyboard ?
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02:49<nevyn>keyboard not working is odd.
02:49<nevyn>or is it just not working in X?
02:50<Jarlaxe>it worked perfect during installation phase, once installed, it doesn't work in tty and in x
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03:01<noob542>hello, is anybody here?
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03:02<Jarlaxe>hi, there's me ^^
03:02<noob542>i wonder if i could get any help from here in booting issue...
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03:06<noob542>...i guess not
03:06<jm_>all people I know don't have mind reading skills so I guess not
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03:08<noob542>my prob is that i have a partitioned hard drive in which i had windows partition and a linux debian partition...
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03:08<noob542>however i installed a newer version of windows and it messed up the boot config so now i can't boot to linux
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03:09<noob542>i'm not familiar in how to restore the config so if you guys could help that would be ok
03:09<Jarlaxe>you setup again grub and it's ok
03:10<Jarlaxe>grub wiki are well done
03:10<jm_>crap :)
03:10<jm_>boot with the rescue/install CD, chroot into your installation and reinstall boot loader
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03:10<noob542>i tried this rescatux disk, but it just gives error when i'm trying to restore it
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03:11<noob542>and by it i mean grub
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03:12<s_i_m>debian should produce a CD which will boot and display a big red button with a text "restore it!"
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03:12<jm_>it has some recovery mode doesn't it?
03:12<jm_>or maybe I remember that from something else
03:13<s_i_m>yes, but it seems nobody knows about it or uses it
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03:13<jm_>no surprises there
03:13<noob542>well, the debian was installed with the internet-installation cd but i don't have it anymore
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03:14<jm_>any linux cd with chroot will do
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03:14<jm_>or something simple as grub cd or ...
03:15<Jarlaxe>indeed. Otherwise : grub-mkconfig, then dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc, then update-grub, then grub-install /dev/hd# (#= your device w/o partition number)
03:17<noob542>i'll try
03:18<Jarlaxe>keep us posted
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03:18<Jarlaxe>any idea for a PS/2 keyboard ? I tried playing with the atkbd now, but no results
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03:20<jm_>did you use the same kernel during installation?
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03:22<Jarlaxe>absolutly, if i reboot, keyboard works in grub
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03:24<s_i_m>looks like a bug of udev?
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03:25<Jarlaxe>some forum told "it happens" ...
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03:25<kusanagi>is there an easy way to diff the original .conf files of my system and the ones on the packages?
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03:26<kusanagi>i mean, the original .conf in package and the one on my system
03:26<s_i_m>kusanagi, I doubt if there is one
03:26<Jarlaxe>kusanagi: i would say with a livecd in, then chroot there, and compare
03:26<kusanagi>that would be rather handy
03:26<jm_>Jarlaxe: which mouse related options do you need to use? tried without mouse attached?
03:27<jm_>kusanagi: not easily, but it's easy when upgrading packages (in most cases anyway)
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03:27<s_i_m>Jarlaxe, LiveCD unlikely has the same set of packages installed
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03:27<kusanagi>jm_, its done when upgrade, but it would be handy to check out messed up systems :)
03:27<Jarlaxe>jm_: i just tried, i have same result : k works in grub, nothing after syst loaded (tty nor X)
03:28<Jarlaxe>kusanagi: chroot a livecd
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03:29<Jarlaxe>kusanagi: or livecd launched in a VM
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03:29<s_i_m>Jarlaxe, you keep your server or desktop installations synchronized to a livecd? =)
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03:30<Jarlaxe>s_i_m: ha ha ha, it would be the hell ^^
03:30<kusanagi>that shouldnt be hard to implement you can get where the file came from with apt-file
03:31<kusanagi>then dw that package and extract it and do a diff
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03:31<kusanagi>i dont have time to do it now tho... ill have to do it by hand :)
03:32<s_i_m>kusanagi, you obviously want to reinstall from scratch, right?
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03:33<kusanagi>s_i_m, not really, just check out the diff from the conf file i have and the one that comes in the original package
03:33<kusanagi>and that for a buch of files
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03:34<kusanagi>too be able to tell apart easily what is been touched
03:34<s_i_m>kusanagi, if you dont mind doing a complete install to a virtual machine then you can clone your selection of packages with dpkg --get-selections and then compare the content of /etc/
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03:35<kusanagi>s_i_m, that seems like it would work... easier to do a debootstrap tho
03:36<kusanagi>actually i think thats whay im going to do
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03:37<mihkel>Any ides why after wheezy minimal install (+xorg and pekwm) I can't type non-ascii chars in urxvt and can't see them in pekwm menu. I can however type them in iceweasel
03:37<kusanagi>it would be handy to have some tool that makes this automatically to compare files... ill make a mental note to make something like this in the future when i have more time ^^
03:39<s_i_m>mihkel, locale?
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03:40<mihkel>s_i_m, locale is set to et_EE.UTF-8 in .bashrc
03:40<s_i_m>mihkel, and you login at the console and start X with startx?
03:41<mihkel>I use qingi login manager
03:41<s_i_m>that thing is unknown to me
03:41<s_i_m>just run a terminal in X and see if locale is set there
03:42<mihkel>how do I do that
03:42<s_i_m>type locale
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03:45<mihkel>I also use tint2 as pager and this one does not use my locale setting either
03:45<mihkel>eg. clock
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03:52<s_i_m>mihkel, I guess, you did not touch /etc/inputrc so that the shell input is 8 bit clean?
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03:52<mihkel>I have not edited /etc/inputrc
03:54<s_i_m>mihkel, can I also see just in case the output of locale -a
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04:03<penguin2011>what is the quickest way to get flash running on either epiphany or iceweasel?
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04:05<rjsalts>penguin2011: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
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04:06<s_i_m>milhkel, can you check one stupid thing: run urxvt and then inside it do a LANG="et_EE.UTF-8" urxvt
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04:06<penguin2011>rjsalts: it's saying there is no installation candidate
04:07<mihkel>s_i_m, wow now I can see my non-ascii chars
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04:07<s_i_m>and then check what happens in the second urxvt
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04:07<s_i_m>now I understand what is going on
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04:07<dabir>still trying to get my wireless to work for RTL8188CE (realtek)
04:07<dabir>wlan0 IEEE 802.11bgn ESSID: off/any
04:08<dabir>Mode: managed access point: not-associated Tx-power=0 dBm
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04:08<s_i_m>mihkel, so, just to confirm, in the second urxvt you can see non-ascii
04:08<dabir>retry long limit: 7 RTS thr=2347 B Fragment thr:off
04:08<dabir>encryption key: off power management: off
04:08<mihkel>s_i_m, yes and I can type them too
04:08<dabir>wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
04:08<dabir>anyone know what i should be doing?
04:09<dabir>i've installed firmware-realtek and wireless-tools
04:09<dabir>on linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64:amd64
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04:09<s_i_m>mikhel, I would recommend placing your locale setting into /etc/environment
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04:09<s_i_m>mihkel, ^^
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04:10<dabir>how do i turn on my wireless?
04:10<Jarlaxe>dabir: you use wicd ?
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04:10<dabir>pretty sure.. i have it
04:10<dabir>but it just says "Network Connections"
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04:11<mihkel>s_i_m, do I need to reboot then?
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04:11<Jarlaxe>dabir: in preferences > advanced settings, wpa dupplicant driver, pass it in "wext", and it should work
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04:13<dabir>hmm.. don't see a preferences > advanced settings. -- alternative?
04:13<mihkel>s_i_m, still no good.
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04:15<Jarlaxe>dabir: left clic on wicd icon in systray, preferences button
04:15<s_i_m>mihkel, you do not need "export" there
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04:17<s_i_m>mihkel, you basically just need to set LANG there
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04:17<dabir>where is my wicd? it just says "Network Connections" .. no "wicd"
04:18<dabir>how do i start it/
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04:18<Jarlaxe>dabir: do you use network manager in gnome, or wicd ?
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04:19<dabir>the network manager in gnome it appears
04:20<s_i_m>... then why do you need wicd...
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04:21<dabir>i'm not sure.. what is wrong?
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04:21<dabir>do i have to remove one?
04:21<Jarlaxe>dabir: remove wicd, and check preferences in network manager, you have to select wext driver somewhere (i don't remember NM in gnome)
04:21<penguin2011>how do I get a good source for non-free?
04:21<mihkel>s_i_m, I set my locale in /etc/environment and then in /etc/default/locale (because environment in deprecated), but still I can't see non-ascii chars
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04:22<jm_>penguin2011: it's on the same debian mirrors as "main"
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04:24<dabir>there doesn't seem to be a preferences ANYWHERE. just an "Edit Connections" that show wireless, vpn, wired, etc
04:25<s_i_m>mihkel, but as the simple check you did showed the problem is locale dependent, as if you start the second urxvt as LANG="et_EE.UTF-8" urxvt you can type and see non-ascii
04:25<penguin2011>jm_ what is? the non-free?
04:26<jm_>penguin2011: yup
04:26<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system run "aptitude search '~i~snon-free'". For the non-free tracking system, see
04:26<jm_>penguin2011: ^^^^^^^^^^^
04:26<mihkel>s_i_m, yes I know that, but I can't type now when locale setiings are in /etc/default/locale
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04:27<s_i_m>you use a rather non-standard login manager, does it respect .Xsession?
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04:28<s_i_m>if it does, you may put export LANG="et_EE.UTF-8" there
04:28<mihkel>I'll try
04:29<dabir>i've been coming back here every day because no one will walk me through getting my wireless to work :(
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04:30<s_i_m>mihkel, i got to go, good luck! =)
04:30<dabir>i'm using NetworkManager Applet 0.8.1
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04:30<Jarlaxe>dabir: just set wext driver !
04:30<dabir>how do i "set wext driver" ?
04:32<dabir>this is what i'm talking about .:/ send me a message or something please.. if i'm to newbie for this chat room -_-
04:32<penguin2011>I added non-free to my sources.list and updated it and I'
04:32<penguin2011>m still getting the same error when I go to install flash..
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04:33<jm_>penguin2011: flashplugin-nonfree is in contrib, not in non-free, so add this too
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04:35<Jarlaxe>dabir: i don't use network manager, so i don't remember how it is. In wicd, there's a "preferences" button where you select wext driver. So try to figure it out in your soft
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04:37<penguin2011>jm_ done, thankyou
04:38<penguin2011>I have to say that I am very impressed with how well squeeze meshes with virtualbox
04:38<penguin2011>It is brilliant
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04:40<jm_>penguin2011: as in works in vbox?
04:41<dabir>i found wicd.. it was already set to wext
04:41<dabir>and it doesn't find any networks scanning.
04:43<Jarlaxe>dabir: use wicd OR network manager. remove one
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04:50<dabir_>ok it still not finding any wireless networks
04:50<dabir_>completely deleted the other network manager (i kept wicd)
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04:51<Jarlaxe>dabir_: have you setup wext driver ?
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04:51<dabir_>it is selected.. is there more that i actually have to set up?
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04:52<Jarlaxe>no it should work. wireless is active in BIOS ?
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04:53<dabir_>root@c-98-232-32-185:/home/dabir# iwlist wlan0 scan
04:53<dabir_>wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
04:53<dabir_>it recognizes it when i put in "iwconfig wlan0"
04:54<dabir_>wlan0 IEEE 802.11bgn ESSID:off/any
04:54<dabir_> Mode:Managed Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=0 dBm
04:54<dabir_> Retry long limit:7 RTS thr=2347 B Fragment thr:off
04:54<dabir_> Encryption key:off
04:55<dabir_>Power Management:off
04:55<penguin2011>jm_ yes I'm running it in vbox on a windows 7 machine.. and it works amazingly, with mouse and keyboard integration and it resizes perfectly etc.
04:56<jm_>penguin2011: yup, that's due to gues additions
04:56<Jarlaxe>dabir: doyou have any wireless light on ?
04:56<dabir_>yes it is orange
04:56<mihkel>Anyone else have some ideas why I can't see/type non-ascii chars?
04:56<penguin2011>jm_ 'guest additions'?
04:57<Zaba>dabir_, ifconfig wlan0 up
04:58<dabir_>now what?
04:58<Zaba>dabir_, does iwlist wlan0 scan still give the same error?
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04:58<dabir_>yes :(
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04:59<Zaba>dabir_, anything in dmesg?
04:59<Jarlaxe>dabir_: have you wireless lights on ! = does wireless enabled in BIOS ?
04:59<Zaba>dabir_, pastebin dmesg | tail -n40 or so
05:01<dabir_>i don't think there is anything in the bios about wireless
05:01<Zaba>dabir_, you need firmware
05:01<penguin2011>are there any known viruses that infect linux pc's via flash bugs?
05:01<Zaba>dabir_, install firmware-realtek
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05:01<Zaba>dabir_, it's in non-free, so you might need to add that to sources.list
05:02<Zaba>Jarlaxe, nothing to do with bios settings AT ALL
05:03<dabir_>i've gotten the firmware-realtek
05:03<dabir_>all sources.list are main contrib non-free
05:03<dabir_>deb squeeze-backports main
05:03<dabir_>but i don't think that's relevant
05:03<Zaba>it isn't
05:03<Zaba>dabir_, you installed firmware-realtek? ifconfig wlan0 down; ifconfig wlan0 up
05:03<Jarlaxe>Zaba: it's just it's possible to have wireless off. I do the mistake sometimes and search why wireless doesn't work
05:04<Zaba>Jarlaxe, missing firmware is a much more obvious reason
05:04<Zaba>happens way more often than any obscure bios quirks
05:05<Jarlaxe>Zaba: of course, but he said it was installed at the beginning
05:05<dabir_>so why am i getting the firmware failure error?
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05:05<Zaba>dabir_, ok, do you have /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin
05:06<Zaba>dabir_, I think it's missing in the squeeze version of firmware-realtek
05:06<dabir_>no, i have rtl8712u.bin though
05:06<Zaba>dabir_, well, you need a newer firmware-realtek, the one in squeeze doesn't have firmware for rtl8192ce
05:06<dabir_>okay.. that makes sense. how do i get?
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05:07<dabir_>and thank you for everything..
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05:08<Zaba>dabir_, if it's not in backports, you probably can download a newer package from and install it manually...
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05:08<Zaba>it shouldn't have any dependency issues.
05:08<Zaba>of course, that's not nice.
05:08<Zaba>for the record, the version in testing has the needed firmware
05:08<Jarlaxe>I use ralink too, i get the package to the eeepc wiki
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05:11<foxxx0>hey guys
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05:11<foxxx0>i'm planning to build a new raid5 with 4* 2TB Samsung F4, with 4k-avanced-format -> are there any advices or rules which i should know? filesystem ext3 or ext4 ? should be a simple SW-raid with mdadm
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05:21<jm_>foxxx0: watch out for alignment with 4k drives
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05:23<jarek>Hello people
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05:24<jarek>who speaking polish language
05:25<dpkg>well, pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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05:26<foxxx0>jm_: which alignment should i use, or how do i change it at formatting ?
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05:26<Caelum>my aptitude runs out of memory resolving dependencies
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05:28<foxxx0>jm_: thanks, now i'm away for around 1h
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05:30<Caelum>I'll just do a regular apt-get upgrade instead of aptitude safe-upgrade
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05:33<mkad>reportbug broken on sid?
05:33<mkad>AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'as_string'
05:33<Caelum>looks like a python error
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05:38<Jarlaxe>dabir_: are you good ?
05:39<Jarlaxe>is there here anybody with a PS/2 keyboard connected to paste me his /proc/bus/input/devices please ?
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06:00<the9a3eedi>Hi, is anyone running debian (squeeze unstable here) with opensource ati radeon drivers? my graphic cards seem to be heating up when I do, and the fan speed increases significantly, so I'm worried that it'll ruin my hardware. Is there a workaround for this? I tried googling but I couldn't find anything useful.
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06:10<amitz>the9a3eedi: are you using acer?
06:11<Nemoder>the9a3eedi: I would check the temperature with lm-sensors, if it's not overheating I doubt there would be a problem
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06:14<nyov>the9a3eedi: to clarify, your cards are heating up when running the radeon driver, but not with fglrx?
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06:15<the9a3eedi>amitz: It's a custom build
06:16<manishe>the9a3eedi: you can set up fan speed, core and memory frequency to your wish with fglrx. so you can downclock it while monitoring temperatures.
06:16<the9a3eedi>nyov: I haven't tried fglrx, and I don't want to either. but before switching to debian, I was using gentoo, and with gentoo I was using fglrx. During that time, the cards would get very hot, but the fan slows down (so it doesn't cool properly, and yet it doesnt overheat afaik)
06:16<the9a3eedi>Nemoder: will do that, thanks. I forgot about lm-sensors
06:17<the9a3eedi>I'm mostly complaining about the noise that the fan unnecessarily generates due to the unnecessary heat
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06:17<Nemoder>verify that it is a heat issue and not just software ramping up the fan because it thinks it should
06:17<the9a3eedi>manishe: is there anything like that with the opensource radeon driver?
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06:18<the9a3eedi>Nemoder: it is a heat issue, so the fans get ramped up. My point is that the heat shouldn't be there. When I'm on windows, the graphics cards are cool even though I'm running Aero (I'm not running any desktop effects on linux)
06:19<manishe>the9a3eedi: unfortenately, no. but if you decide to use fglrx, you can add those options to autostart and just forget about problems.
06:19<the9a3eedi>manishe: I see. Guess I should sit down and decide between the two drivers.
06:19<manishe>the9a3eedi: card probably using 3D mode on simple desktop work (with open source driver), so it's getting hot and fan turn on
06:19<manishe>the9a3eedi: yep
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06:20<the9a3eedi>manishe: is that considered a bug with the driver? I'm not running any 3D stuff (no desktop effects either)
06:21<manishe>first you have to confirm it - check vcore, frequencies and temperature.
06:21<the9a3eedi>kk will do
06:21<manishe>only one tool which i know can do that, its aticonfig bundled with fglrx:)
06:22<the9a3eedi>._. well for now I'll try lm-sensors as Nemoder suggested
06:22<the9a3eedi>look at the temperature at least
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06:29<the9a3eedi>hmm my cards seem to be 67C .. that's higher than normal considering that they're not doing anything and that the fan is higher than normal.
06:29<the9a3eedi>but it's not going to kill the card I guess
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06:30<the9a3eedi>guess I'm going to have to live with the noise. Get a bunch of expensive bose noise cancelling headphones? :P
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06:39<nyov>the9a3eedi: or you ask the pals over at #radeon on freenode
06:39<nyov>if there is someone there that is :P
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06:48<the9a3eedi>nyov: thanks, will do. Didn't think that they'd have a channel
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06:56<the9a3eedi>Cool. I found the solution. Basically I had to change the power mode to "low" instead of "default" It worked like a charm
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07:05<Ben020>hello guys how i can add to dolphin ftp and config than i can download file in multi threed mode ?
07:05<Ben020>i have kde 4.6.3
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07:36<Pontus>Anyone who knows where to get drivers or instructions for installing drivers for SAS 9265-8i @ debian 6
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07:48<SynrG>Pontus: says that support was added feb. 28 of this year, which would imply squeeze 6.0.0, at least, did not have that driver ...
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07:51<adb>dpkg, installation report
07:51<SynrG>Pontus: what's unclear to me is if you need to get a driver from the vendor for this hardware, or if it may be included in a later release of the kernel
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07:52<nyov>adb: you killed dpkg! bad bad adb
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07:53<Pontus>SynrG, since the driver doesen't seem to be in debian 6 stable, I would need the driver
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07:54<adb>dpkg, come back
07:54<SynrG>Pontus: or a kernel backport
07:54<SynrG>Pontus: is unspecific about which hardware models are supported
07:55<dselect> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>.
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07:55<SynrG>you might try the bdo kernel
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07:55<Slydder>anyone here use iwatch?
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07:56<Fudgey>hi when update-grub finds my 6.0.1 it says /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: unknown filesystem.
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07:59<dselect>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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08:01<Pontus>SynrG, is it possible to get the bdo kernel when performing a netinstall ?
08:01<SynrG>Pontus: i believe kenshi muto has made unofficial netinst images with bdo kernel
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08:02<dselect>Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.38) are available from . To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>.
08:03<Pontus>SynrG, Thanks :)
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08:03<SynrG>Pontus: no guarantees that will work for you, tho :/
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08:04<SynrG>Pontus: aha!;a=blob;f=Documentation/scsi/ChangeLog.megaraid_sas;hb=4f788dce0baf44295a8d9708d3f124587158c061
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08:05<SynrG>Pontus: looks like support for 9265 was added back in Dec. 2010 according to that changelog
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08:06<SynrG>Pontus: this one instead:;a=commitdiff;h=5f7bb3a439ce51ae8b92ca1dc93b91712224b69a;hp=9c915a8c99bce637226aa09cb05fc18486b229cb
08:07<SynrG>Pontus: so that suggests that yes, kmuto's image should work
08:07<Pontus>SynrG, well I will try it out, thanks again :)
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08:15<Slydder>why doesn't this regexception work in iwatch? /etc/sed.+
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08:18<jm_>Slydder: does it say it supports extended regexs?
08:19<Slydder>since version 0.2.1
08:19<Slydder>back in 2007
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08:54<Pontus>SynrG, Seems to work for me with the installation,
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08:56<SynrG>Pontus: nice
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09:02<mihkel>Hi. How do I make xscreensaver to lock screen after suspend?
09:02<mihkel> <- found this, but it does not work
09:03<mihkel>eg. I copy that script /etc/pm/sleep.d, but nothing
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09:04<mihkel>I laso gave that script +x
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09:06<lindi->mihkel: that tip sounds very wrong
09:06<screenn>after trying dist upgrade to squeeze grub upgrade end with error
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09:07<mihkel>lindi-, what is the correct way to do it?
09:09<lindi->mihkel: looks better
09:11<mihkel>this is for gnome-screensaver. I use xscreensaver
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09:14<lindi->mihkel: ah so you don't use gnome?
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09:14<lindi->mihkel: how do you suspend then?
09:15<lindi->mihkel: by opening a root terminal and typing pm-suspend?
09:15<mihkel>I press Fn+F4 on my thinkpad
09:15<lindi->mihkel: aha hmm
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09:16<lindi->mihkel: do you know how that works?
09:16<mihkel>no :)
09:16<lindi->mihkel: you probably need to figure out that first
09:17<r4co0n>mihkel, try to find out if the problem also occurs when calling pm-suspend from root shell
09:17<mihkel>r4co0n, I'll try
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09:19<mihkel>well pm-suspend from root terminal did exactly the same as Fn+F4... did not lock screen
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09:19<lindi->r4co0n: well having a pm-suspend hook ,which runs as root, read the home directory of a user sounds very wrong
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09:21<r4co0n>lindi-: you propose moving the file to /root and change the ownership? i just wanted to help find out if it is pm-suspend being called. apparently, it is.
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09:21<r4co0n>nah, wait. who reads user home?
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09:22<mihkel>In /etc/acpi/ is script, which I think is responsible for Fn+F4 and it uses pm-suspend
09:22<lindi->r4co0n: X clients do
09:22<lindi->r4co0n: xscreensaver is an X client
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09:23<lindi->r4co0n: it accesses $HOME/.Xauthority unless you use gdm3
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09:23<screenn>grub2 installation ended with this error -> how to fix that?
09:23<r4co0n>mihkel, how about adding a screen lock command to
09:24<mihkel>In /etc/default/acpi-support I have LOCK_SCREEN=true
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09:25<lindi->screenn: 'Auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/md0 failed.' is probably the problem. what does "file -sL /dev/md0" print?
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09:25<screenn>yeah, there is almost 500 people at the channel
09:25<screenn>waiting for happy 500 user
09:26<screenn>lindi- now I'll check that
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09:26<mihkel>r4co0n, I just add xscreensaver-command -lock to the end of file?
09:26<lindi->mihkel: you probably need to set DISPLAY and su to the user and all that ugly stuff too?
09:27<screenn>lindi- /dev/md0: ReiserFS V3.6
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09:27<mihkel>dammit... too advanced for me. Guess I have to live without screen locking :(
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09:27<r4co0n>mihkel, as lindi- pointed out its an ugly hack, you arent allowed to call your system debian anymore when u show it to friends :p
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09:28<lindi->mihkel: just switch to gnome :-)
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09:28<mihkel>Don't want to
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09:29<lindi->mihkel: or add a menuentry that runs xscreensaver as normal user and calls sudo pm-suspend
09:29<lindi->mihkel: then bind that to some easy key
09:29<r4co0n>mihkel, this has got to work somehow, maybe ask in a forum or on a mailing list, where more people get a chance to solve your problem. i suppose there is a trick that works...
09:29<mihkel>r4co0n, I'll do that
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09:30<lindi->screenn: you really use reiserfs?
09:30<nyov>lindi-: gah. gnome-screensaver is crap compared to xscreensaver
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09:31<lindi->nyov: can you be bit more specific?
09:32<screenn>lindi- it's remote server so situation can be criticall after reboot
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09:32<lindi->screenn: well you could try running the suggested "/usr/sbin/grub-probe --device-map=/boot/grub/ --target=fs -v /boot/grub"
09:34<nyov>lindi-: gnome-screensaver just includes most of xscreensavers' binaries, with some default settings. you can't tweak anything about them, as you can in xscreensaver
09:34<screenn>lindi- ->
09:34<lindi->nyov: it also supports dbus and gdm?
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09:35<dedeibel>A few days ago I noticed that "halt" is not quite the same as "shutdown -h now" - the network card was powered down when using halt although I entered not to shut it down in /etc/defaults/halt is this well known? What is the indended use case of halt?
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09:37<nyov>lindi-: I don't know about gdm, don't think so. there was a patch for dbus iirc
09:37<tealc_210>Hi, someone could tell me how to configure sendmail, to make it send a warning to an external sender, when an attached file is too big?
09:37<dedeibel>"halt" surely seems less clean than shutdown according to the man page, but from a user's perspective the shutdown procedure looked similar
09:38<lindi->nyov: and at least by default it looks very ugly. maybe I need to edit some configuration file to make it use antialised fonts for example?
09:38<Zaba>halt and poweroff are equally "clean" for the OS
09:38<Zaba>the difference is that with halt, the power is not turned off when it's shut down
09:38<Zaba>dedeibel, ^
09:38<lindi->nyov: also in squeeze the "New Login" button just prints "no longer supported"
09:38<Zaba>dedeibel, shutdown -h now defaults to 'poweroff'
09:39<dedeibel>on my sys it is turned off
09:39<Zaba>dedeibel, 'halt' is from the times when computers couldn't turn their own power off
09:39<nyov>lindi-: you can tweak it in ~/.Xdefaults I like mine pretty much
09:39<lindi->nyov: whereas with gnome-screensaver the "switch user" works
09:39<lindi->nyov: but there's no UI for that?
09:39<Zaba>dedeibel, 'shutdown -h' means 'poweroff', which is 'half' + platform-dependent 'turn the power off'
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09:39<dedeibel>Zaba: what you are saying is, that halt should equally respect to keep the network card running?
09:40<lindi->nyov: I'm just trying to argue that it's not "crap" to many people :)
09:40<nyov>lindi-: not that I know of ;) same goes for xpdf and the likes
09:40<lindi->nyov: maybe to you
09:40<Zaba>dedeibel, the power of the network card would rather be controlled by wake-on-lan settings than that
09:40<nyov>lindi-: true
09:40<lindi->nyov: yeah, xpdf is very bad at that too
09:41<lindi->nyov: I hope that it's going away soon. security team will appreciate it at least. one less near-copy of poppler to worry about
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09:42<lindi->afaik all debian pdf viewers are based on either gs, xpdf (/poppler) or mupdf
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09:43<dedeibel>"-i Shut down all network interfaces just before halt or reboot." this makes the change for me weather WOL works or not - I don't know if that is what you mean by WOL setting. But surely the bios must be configured aswell.
09:43<dedeibel>from man halt
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09:43<nyov>lindi-: I don't think so, but you can hope ;) don't know poppler though
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09:43<Zaba>dedeibel, wol can be configured with ethtool
09:43<Zaba>at least to some extent
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09:43<dedeibel>Zaba: a right, did that too
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09:44<screenn>lindi- hm, seems it's a known bug ->
09:44<dedeibel>Zaba: but I fear that the setting is lost or something if "halt -i" is invoked. I also heard it is not required for all drivers.
09:44<dedeibel>Zaba: anyway. Thanks for clearing the history behind halt and shutdown
09:45<Zaba>no idea, sorry, I never used wol
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09:50<screenn>lindi- so, maybe downgrade grub helps solve my problem
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09:55<screenn>downgrade looks good ->
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09:56<screenn>going to reboot ...
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10:08<screenn>ok, with downgraded grub from lenny it's booting ok, now waiting for bug fixing.
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10:35<foxxx0>hey guys, for my new sw-raid5 (4*2tb, correct alignment done) ext3 or ext4 ?
10:36<dvs>foxxx0: I'd do ext3 but a 2TB RAID 5 array is not mathematically stable.
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10:38<foxxx0>dvs: not mathematically stable ?
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10:39<foxxx0>dvs: what does that mean ?
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10:43<dvs>foxxx0: it means because of the capacity of the drive and the error rate of the drive, it is possible to lose data on the array.
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10:43<foxxx0>never heard sth like that before
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10:48<foxxx0>now it's time to drink some tea:
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10:53<foxxx0>dvs: so i just can hope that wouldn't affect me :( using sw-raid6 is no alternative for me, i need the disk-space of 3*2tb
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10:58<mihaum>Hello, how can I disable powersave while using vlc, i have xscreenserver removedo, xset set to -dpms, using squeeze + xfce; had fresh installation few days ago, but before I have managed to overcome that problem, but can't remeber how :P
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11:01<lindi->mihkel: xset q?
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11:02<r4co0n>lindi, autocomplete mistake...
11:02<lindi->ah indeed
11:02<lindi->mihaum: ^
11:03<lindi->quassel does not have reply button :-)
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11:05<mihaum>No matter what, it turns off after exactly 10 minutes.
11:06<mihaum>Oh, I see screen saver option is probably enabled.
11:06<lindi->mihaum: yeah you have the Xorg screensaver feature there
11:07<mihaum>System probably gonna reset these setting after reboot, am I right?
11:07<lindi->mihaum: in gnome you'd just System->Preferences->Screensaver and uncheck "Activate screensaver when computer is idle" I think
11:07<mihaum>lindi-, I use xfce
11:07<lindi->mihaum: they are reset on logout too
11:07<lindi->mihaum: maybe xfce too support screensaver somehow?
11:07<mihaum>I did xset s off
11:07<mihaum>and now it says: timeout: 0 cycle: 600
11:09<mihaum>ok, gonna try these settings, will be back in ~10 minutes
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11:13<debianewb>hello, can I get some help with ICE1724-based card (ESI Juli)? i am using debian squeeze, just installed, and I can't seem to get this card to work. there is no sound at all, however, i am sure my equipment is working, just tested cable and amplifier with other device.
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11:23<mihaum>xset s off seems to work.
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11:24<lindi->mihaum: I would still expect xfce to support screensaver at least so much that you can turn it off :)
11:25<SynrG>%tell debianewb about alsa
11:25<SynrG>debianewb: if the squeeze kernel doesn't work, one from backports might
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11:26<SynrG>%dell debianewb about bdo kernel
11:26<SynrG>%tell debianewb about bdo kernel
11:26<debianewb>SynrG, can it be that older kernels work and 2.6.32 doesnt?
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11:26<debianewb>especially talking about debian
11:26<SynrG>regressions are possible but rare
11:26<grove>debianewb: It should be supported in all 2.6-kernel
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11:26<SynrG>if older kernels worked with this hardware, it may be a simple mixer problem
11:26<SynrG>pastebin the output of 'amixer'
11:27<grove> says it is in 2.6.39
11:27<SynrG>another common problem is when multiple sound devices exist and the 'wrong' one is made the default
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11:28<debianewb>I get error when trying to specify a device to aplay:
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11:30<mihaum>lindi-, turning off the screen via dpms is enough for me ;-) Never been using the screen saver, even on gnome ;-)
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11:30<SynrG>debianewb: i don't see anything obviously wrong with the amixer output (if that is indeed for the device you're testing)
11:31<SynrG>debianewb: what about 'aplay -L'?
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11:31<debianewb>SynrG, aplay -l : aplay -L:
11:31<SynrG>not -l
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11:32<debianewb>second link
11:32<SynrG>oh, i see. missed that. i'm distracted :)
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11:32<SynrG>so it's just the second card ... is the first one even in use?
11:33<SynrG>the simplest way to deal with this is to just disable the onboard sound in your BIOS config
11:33<debianewb>well, I'm "upgrading" over it. first one works... when i extract ESI
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11:34<SynrG>but if you really want to support both devices and want to make the second one the default, it's just a matter of configuring that in ~/.asoundrc or alsa.conf
11:34<SynrG>as per whatever the alsa wiki says about that
11:34<debianewb>yeah, i know, i won't have both, i need ESI. and it doesn't work :(
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11:37<SynrG>debianewb: aplay -D hw:1,0 -f cd test.wav maybe?
11:38<SynrG>oh, wait. it says *only* S32_LE is offered?
11:38<SynrG>that does seem a bit ... odd
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11:39<debianewb>well, that's normal "flac -d" outputted wav
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11:42<debianewb>seems there are only questions for this card with no answers...
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11:43<debianewb>or people say it just works out of box, which is not my case
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11:45<SynrG>debianewb: *my* problem is i have limited exposure to various kinds of issues with alsa
11:45<SynrG>you may get better results at #alsa on or so
11:45<debianewb>same here :(
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11:46<SynrG>it may be a simple misconfiguration ... or it may be something like wrong codec detected and used for your card ...
11:46*SynrG shrugs
11:46<SynrG>i've seen funky stuff like that for intel-hda
11:46<SynrG>where i've had to force a model=xxxx (some model name) when i load the module to workaround lagging support for correct model detection
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12:05<debianewb>SynrG, thanks for your time, i'll go on with further digging :)
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12:12<Aloysius>How does one remove an application in squeeze? Clicking the remove button in Software Center > Installed Software doesn't seem to do anything
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12:14<gkaklas>Aloysius: Try searching the application you want to remove in Synaptic Package manager (System>Administration)
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12:17<Aloysius>gkaklas: thanks i was just trying that
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12:17<ani> , while booting its must need to load my ntfs drive , but its saying unkown file system ntfs-3g , i have to mount it manually after login. auto mount not working. any idea?
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12:18<Aloysius>But when I try to remove an application (brasero in this case) it's telling me it also will remove gnome and gnome-desktop-environment - which is not good I think. :|
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12:19<ani>i use mount -a after login to mount all partition from fstab
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12:22<dselect>methinks metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
12:22<Black_Prince>Aloysius: gnome and gnome-desktop-environment are metapackages
12:23<ani>if you game gnome-session and all other soft no need to worry for them i think
12:23<Aloysius>Hmm I see thank you
12:24<ani>Black_Prince, any idea on my problem
12:24<Black_Prince>ani do you have ntfs-3g installed?
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12:25<ani>Black_Prince, after login its works fine with mount -a
12:25<ani>i did several update no luck
12:25<Black_Prince>ani: change to ntfs-3g to ntfs only. (it will mount it with ntfs-3g since there should be /sbin/mount.ntfs symlinked to ntfs-3g)
12:26<Black_Prince>ani: also, what debian version are you using?
12:26<ani>stable one
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12:27<Black_Prince>ani: for me works with ntfs ... I never used ntfs-3g as file system. (that is an userspace (fuse) filesystem)
12:27<ani>Description: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.2 (squeeze)
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12:27<ani>Black_Prince, i use ntfs-config works before with no issue ..
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12:27<Black_Prince>ani: since /usr is on another partition
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12:28<Black_Prince>ani: let it be mounted before ntfs file systems because ntfs-3g executables are in /usr hierarchy.
12:28<ani>humm got it , thanks
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12:29<ani>why i can't about that ._.
12:29<vagvaf>hello all, i have a debian 6.0 stable installed on my desktop and i want to turn into into a server, how can i do it ?
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12:30<ani>brb rebooting
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12:31<Black_Prince>vagvaf: it depends what do you want to use server for
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12:31<vagvaf>Black_Prince, i want to use it to have web pages
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12:32<vagvaf>Black_Prince, thanks a lot :)
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12:33<gkaklas>Black_Prince couldn't he also run tasksel?
12:33<ani>yep.. thanks Black_Prince to point my error
12:33<Black_Prince>ani you welcome
12:34<Black_Prince>gkaklas: he could that too ... But in my experience that app always installs some unneeded stuff
12:36<gkaklas>Black_Prince, oh, ok.
12:36<Black_Prince>(I haven't tried installing server software with it, tough)
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12:38<Rehnquist><Rehnquist> uh, i've broken fglrx by running automatic updates just now
12:38<Rehnquist>it removed fglrx-gl
12:38<Rehnquist>if i try to get it from synaptic it marks half the system as TO BE REMOVED
12:38<Rehnquist>and i don't have 3D
12:38<Black_Prince>Rehnquist: What Debian version?
12:39*Black_Prince points Rehnquist to #debian-next
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12:44<chaos>is there a live linux with nfts fsck for xp sp3?
12:45<chaos>i have a laptop here with broken fs and nobody knows the admin pass
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12:45<anirban>is there any fscheck for ntfs ?
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12:46<gkaklas>chaos, do you have your installation disk?
12:46<chaos>but when i go to repair the first thing this shit asks for is administrator password :)
12:46<gkaklas>anirban, yeah, i think you can fscheck ntfs with gparted
12:47<chaos>i do know the pass for a user with admin account but that doesn't work either
12:47<anirban>chaos, aminpass can be change in single user mode
12:48<chaos>umm... sorry... it's a win xp sp3 ... not a linux i want to fix
12:48<Black_Prince>They said windows password could be reset with chntpw (Anyways windows is not supported here)
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12:48<anirban>my bad
12:49<chaos>well ... windows is not supported anywhere :)
12:49<anirban>there is a ##windows in freenode
12:49<Black_Prince>It is ... You must PAY for it, tough ... (Telephone, Live Support) doh
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12:50<chaos>yeah and they gonna tell me to reinstall it ... that's not what i call "support"
12:50<Black_Prince>chaos: I told you, just use chntpw with some linux distribution to reset windows admin password ...
12:50<chaos>ok, thx
12:51<chaos>is that included in any live version?
12:51<Black_Prince>(A basic Linux knowledge is required)
12:51<chaos>basic linux knowledge - check
12:51<Black_Prince>chaos: no it isn,t. But it is in debian repo
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12:52<chaos>umm... if i run a live debian, can i install packaged? :)
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12:52<Black_Prince>chaos: If you have internet connection or whole set, yes.
12:52<chaos>cool, thx
12:52<Black_Prince>cd/dvd set, that is.
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12:53<chaos>i got internet but can't put anything on local hdd
12:53<Black_Prince>Debian Live is running in memory, it doesn't touch your hard disks.
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12:56<chaos>Black_Prince: last question for a while ... iso-hybrid / net / usb-hdd / web?
12:57<Black_Prince>I guess you'd like to use iso
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12:58<chaos>also ... i see .img in every folder ... i do have an external hdd i could use but how do i get it on it?
12:58<Black_Prince>chaos: how did you got on irc anyways?
12:58<chaos>i have 4 pcs here
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13:02<Yossarian>back, sorry
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13:03<chaos>no worries
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13:12<chaos>any idea how i get a live cd image on an external hdd bootable?
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13:16<gkaklas>chaos, you just write the iso on it. you can also use usb flash or cd/dvd.
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13:17<chaos>umm... but how do i boot from a file?
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13:19<gkaklas>you can't boot from a file. you write the iso image on a usb/hdd/cd, insert the media, and then turn on the computer
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13:22<DreX>can anybody help me with bt4?
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13:23<DreX>to audit a network , do i have to have a wifi usb?
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13:25<DreX>thanks for the help -_-
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13:49<mh>I have a new install of Wheezy (and I'm new to debian). My machine is old and slow. How do I set XFCE as the default desktop environment? NB that I apparently have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
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13:55<weedeater64>mh: How are you starting X ?
13:55<jthomas__>What do I need to do so that my kernel is never upgraded unless there is also a matching kernel headers package also installed?
13:55<mh>weedeater64: I'm not sure, to be honest. The default install came with gnome, and that starts up by default
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13:56<jthomas__>mh: the xorg.conf is only needed if auto-config doesn't work. for xfce, you should be able to set the default on the login screen
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13:56<weedeater64>In that case I don't actually know. Have you already installed XFCE ?
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13:57<mh>jthomas: I've looked at the login screen but can't find any place where I can choose the desktop environment. What button should I be looking for?
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13:58<mh>weedeater64: I've installed the xfce4 meta-package via synaptic
13:58<jthomas__>mh i don't know what you use for login; if its GDM I have no idea. KDM has a button for "Session" i think
13:59<mh>jthomas: mine is probably GDM (since I'm using gnome)
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14:00<gkaklas>mh, when you click on the user you want to login with, there is a drop-down menu at the down edge of the screen
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14:00<jthomas__>mh sorry to hear that
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14:01<mh>gkaklas: I'll take another look. be back soon.
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14:11<mh>back again.. there was no obvious place to choose the desktop environment in the login screen. The white bar at the bottom just had the time/date and the accessibility button
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14:13<coruja>mh, btw, why don't you start with the stable release squeeze when you're new to debian?
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14:15<mh>coruja: good question.. and i have no good answer, other than I'm looking for a challenge. And that the machine is not my primary desktop, it's more for fun
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14:16<gkaklas>actually you have to select the account in order to see other login options like language, more accessibility options and of course, desktop environment.
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14:17<mh>gkaklas: hmm.. I'll have to look again. back again, soon
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14:21<bst>mh: gdm or gdm3?
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14:41<mh>it's solved! there was an option to choose the window manager after I clicked on my username. I'm now in xfce. Thanks, everyone!
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14:43<gkaklas>mh your welcome
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15:02<mercutio22>is there another parameter I can pass to aptitude safe-upgrade so it does not ask for confirmation?
15:02<hdb2>hey, for those of you that have sold your soul to google, what is the *best* (i.e. most secure) way to access gmail from the console? mutt? I'm just not doing my rtfm, so any suggestions/flames are welcome ;)
15:03<sney>whatever your favorite pop/imap console client is, really
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15:04<Bushmills>hdb2: if you have to use gmail, i suppose, forwarding your mail to your own MTA and fetch/read it from there
15:04<hdb2>sney: this might sound silly, but I'm afraid of making some stupid mistake and getting completely owned
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15:04<hdb2>Bushmills: that's a good idea, I did think about that
15:04<CodyThibault>Hi! Not sure if I'm in the right place.....
15:04<hdb2>so is IMAP the most secure method available right now?
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15:05<Bushmills>hdb2: to add security, if that's important, use a vpn to the mta server. pop3 or imap doesn't really make a difference then
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15:05<CodyThibault>There anyone here that can help with wireless setup? D:
15:06<sney>google's pop/imap uses ssl by default
15:06<sney>CodyThibault: just ask your question
15:06<Bushmills>consider though that your mail has in transit without encryption, so it is doubtful whether encrypting the last hop adds a lot of privacy
15:06<Bushmills>has been in transit ...
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15:07<CodyThibault>I'm confused. sorry. No idea how to set up the wireless in this thing. Just switched to lubuntu, and can't figure out mac address or BSSID. I'm very-much-so a newbie at all this.
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15:07<sney>CodyThibault: you're right, you're not in the right place. If you were using Debian I'd be glad to help you.
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15:07<sney>!otherchannel CodyThibault #ubuntu
15:07<CodyThibault>I thought ubuntu was a debian base/
15:07<CodyThibault>Sorry, shift key is finicky.
15:07<sney>it is, but it still isn't debian
15:08<sney> <- this is where debian comes from. other distros have to support their own users
15:08<Bushmills>CodyThibault: based on debian, yes. is debian, no
15:08<CodyThibault>Oie. alrighty, danke.
15:08<sney>%otherchannel CodyThibault #ubuntu
15:08<dselect>CodyThibault: The channel you are looking for is #ubuntu on Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://
15:08<CodyThibault>thank you.
15:08<sney>and if ubuntu's support is useless you're always welcome to try the original
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15:10<sney>the fact that something like "lubuntu" exists... sheesh
15:10<hdb2>hey thanks for the tips sney , Bushmills I appreciate it! :)
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15:11<hdb2>sney: hey, do you think we can register #lebian? *just kidding!!!*
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15:19<mercutio22>when using crontab can I input a command with arguments or do I have to prepare a bash script ?
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15:21<s_i_m>mercutio22, sure you can
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15:22<s_i_m>not just arguments, it can be any shell pipeline
15:23<mercutio22>s_i_m: so this should work without issues: * 7 * * * /usr/bin/aptitude safe-upgrade -y
15:24<s_i_m>mercutio22, * 7 * * * /usr/bin/aptitude update && /usr/bin/aptitude safe-upgrade -y
15:24<sney>mercutio22: why not use unattended-upgrades?
15:25<mercutio22>sney: haven't heard of it.
15:25<s_i_m>mercutio22, yep, better use the ready tools like apticron
15:25<sney>mercutio22: that's the package name, feed it into aptitude show
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15:26<mercutio22>cool. Can I set it to be conservative and use safe-upgrade
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15:26<s_i_m>mm. apticron sens mails on upgrade, sorry =)
15:26<sney>yeah, it's all in the scripts and I believe it has a /etc/default settings file as well
15:27<mercutio22>Nice. I will have a look.
15:27<sney>it's pretty common on stable production systems, where the chance of an update breaking the system is almost nil
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15:28<mercutio22>so which do you think is better? unattend-upgrades or apticron
15:28<sney>I have only used the first one and I have no complaints
15:28<s_i_m>mercutio22, apticron has a different purpose
15:28<s_i_m>my memory was wrong.
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15:29<ZykoticK9>sney, i'd never heard about unattend-upgrade before either - thanks
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15:29<s_i_m>apticron basically sends mails to root on the days when there are updates available
15:29<sney>looks like apticron does apt-get -d safe-upgrade, so it could probably be modified to actually perform the updates, but that's what unattended-upgrades does anyway
15:29<sney>(-d is only download)
15:30<s_i_m>mm. okay
15:30<s_i_m>I have only heard of it, but have not used yet.
15:30<mercutio22>cool. Thanks
15:30<s_i_m>I prefer to upgrade my systems manually =)
15:30<s_i_m>I have only a few.
15:31<sney>I have one production server that I prefer not to touch if I don't have to, but everything else I DIY
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15:39<mercutio22>I already had unnatended upgrades installed!
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15:40<mercutio22>I guess it is not doing its thing
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15:44<ompaul>mercutio22: the -d makes it just download
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15:53<s3a>What's the difference between chmod +x something and chmod a+x something? I can't find it in the documentation
15:53<sney>it's who you're giving the permissions, essentially
15:53<sney>the a is short for all
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15:54<jackyf>"A combination of the letters ugoa controls which users’ access to the file will be changed: the user who owns it (u), other users in the file’s group (g),
15:54<jackyf>other users not in the file’s group (o), or all users (a). If none of these are given, the effect is as if a were given, but bits that are set in the
15:54<jackyf>umask are not affected."
15:54<s3a>sney, o i actually did find it in the documentation just now
15:55<s3a>i looked in options
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15:55<tucemiux>ahhh come on, how can debian be this dumb ???
15:55<s3a>sney, but thanks and also jackyf for pasting it lol but i found it right before ;)
15:55<sney>tucemiux: eh/
15:56<s3a>sney, so chmod +x only allows me to execute the program?
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15:56<tucemiux>Im trying to download ipw2200-bss.fw as prompted by the installer, there is a page on the wiki but Im trying to download the file and it's nowhere to be seen:
15:56<s3a>o nvm
15:57<s3a>sney, "If none of these are given, the effect is as
15:57<s3a> if a were given"
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15:58<sney>tucemiux: for installing, there's a separate iso that already has the required firmware. if you have the available bandwidth it's what I'd recommend.
15:58<sney>%firmware images
15:58<dselect>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from . See also <install guide>.
15:58<sney>tucemiux: also, the wiki is pretty outdated in a lot of places.
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16:15<tucemiux>488 users and no activity ha ha ha now I realize why ubuntu forked!
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16:16<tucemiux>sney, I wouldve downloaded the ISO but I downloaded some packages, put it on my thumb drive, the install is running
16:16<tucemiux>does debian use grub 2? or am i screwed??
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16:16<__Alex_>It can use Gub 2 or LILO, depending what you pic
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16:17<__Alex_>Grun2 is default
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16:18<dselect>[grub2] GNU GRUB 2 is the successor to GRUB Legacy (GNU GRUB version 0.9x), currently in development. Packaged as grub-pc (PC/BIOS version) and grub-ieee1275 (Open Firmware version). Manual: . See also <grub2 squeeze>, <grub2 config>, . #grub on
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16:22<tucemiux>EEEEEEEEEK!!!!!!!!!! I just kept clicking on "continue" and I realized I didnt agree to the install of the drivers I spent time downloading, I couldnt click on back, come on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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16:23<Marta>lamo el culoooooooooooo
16:23<tucemiux>yup yup
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16:24<tucemiux>apparently, installing debian is starting to be painful :-(
16:24<Bushmills>tucemiux: i doubt that you'll get happy with debian. i suggest to revert to ubuntu
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16:24<Guest609>Hay algui8en hayy?
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16:25<tucemiux>si, dime que es lo que quieres
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16:26<tucemiux>Bushmills, im installing a triple boot
16:26<tucemiux>Does debian have grub 2 or no?
16:26<s_i_m>it does
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16:36<gkaklas>tucemiux, what is your problem in installing debian?
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16:39<s_i_m>gkaklas, I guess, the main problem is the prehistory of being an ubuntu user.
16:39<tucemiux>gkaklas, its installing, the problem I had was with the wireless drivers, I got prompted -- I then downloaded the drivers, problem is the developers didnt force me to view all the way down when prompted if I agreed to install the drivers --drivers didnt get installed
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16:54<tucemiux>crap, the installation is failing, looks like there's something wrong with my hard drive
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17:02<gkaklas>tucemiux, do you get any errors?
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17:05<tucemiux>gkaklas, it's not debian -- my hard drive is going bad, the install failed, I guess I'll try another day
17:06<l0ck>ANybody know of a good irc server to go and ask for help on IRCd?
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17:07<gkaklas>tucemiux, ok...
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17:08<tucemiux>l0ckd0wn, on IRCd? what's that???
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17:51<zippy>i'm having problems with since upgrading to squeeze 6.0.2. kernel panics. wondering if anyone has had similar or any suggestions?
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17:52<ani>zippy, install a new kernel then upgrade
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17:53<zippy>my system has the defailt 686 & 686-bigmem in it. the bigmem one still loads up fine & from it i was able to purge the normal kernel & reinstall it, but same problem still.
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17:55<zippy>the kernel panic seems intermittent; sometimes i don't get it, sometime only a blinking cursor. i played aroung with passing noacpi & nosmp & nosplash to GRUB, which seemed to make it boot again but when i rebooted without those parameters it would then continue to boot ok, which is weird.
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17:56<zippy>before the kernel panic line it mentions perf_cpu_notify on the second line, but Googling that hasn't got me sorted yet.
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17:58<zippy>< > i'm not sure what you mean by what you said, are you saying to upgrade to debian wheezy?
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17:59<zippy>i made a thread at linuxquestions on Wednesday if anyone can help please? sorry to bother you.
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18:01<l0ckd0wn>good luck zippy
18:02<zippy>thanks :-)
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19:37<sney>I wish someone would break something so I could have something to do
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19:43<lotus-blade>Is there a way to install 2 different drivers into the kernel? I have an nvidia onboard which I finally got working and an ati radeon 9250
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19:43<lotus-blade>I am trying to have 2 monitors running
19:44<sney>the 9250 should work best with the free 'radeon' driver, which you already have - all you need to install to make it work is firmware-linux-nonfree
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19:44<sney>multi-monitor on separate cards may need xorg.conf tweaking, I'm not too sure
19:45<lotus-blade>I know that part
19:45<sney>which part?
19:45<lotus-blade>so all I need is firmware-linux-nonfree? I am getting an error about firmware now
19:45<lotus-blade>the xorg.conf tweeking
19:46<sney>yep, the radeon driver comes with most X installations (you can double-check and see if xserver-xorg-video-radeon is installed)
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19:46<sney>all it needs is the firmware package. if you installed the nvidia driver with dkms then you already have non-free sources
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19:48<sney>just make sure you install firmware-linux-nonfree, which is not the same thing as firmware-linux-free
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19:50<lotus-blade>it was, but firmware-linux-nonfree was not
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19:57<lotus-blade>ok this is something new since I installed the nvidia driver. ** (gdm3:14704): WARNING **: Failed to acquire org.gnome.DisplayManager ** (gdm3:14704): WARNING **: Could not acquire name; bailing out
19:57<wissem>i'm having a problem mounting a flash disk
19:57<lotus-blade>is this a permissions thing? I thought that root had permission to everything
19:57<wissem>its vfat and i used this command
19:58<wissem>mount -t vfat -o defaults,user,exec,uid=1000,gid=100,umask=000 /dev/sdb1 /media/fff
19:58<wissem>the flash disk is read-only
19:58<nyov>wissem: whats the problem?
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19:59<wissem>it is read-only
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20:00<wissem>nyov: the problem is the flash disk read-only
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20:09<nyov>wissem: umask=000 ?
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20:10<nyov>huh, can't test fat
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20:11<nyov>wissem: what does ls -l on the mountpoint say?
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20:12<wissem>oh this is wireed
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20:12<wissem> ls -al /media/fff
20:12<wissem>total 8
20:12<wissem>drwxrwxrwx 26 wissem users 4096 Jan 1 1970 .
20:12<wissem>drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4096 Jul 2 01:11 ..
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20:26<nyov>is symlinking a (custom) mountpoint in / to elsewhere feasible? or would "mount --bind" be better?
20:26<nyov>are there things that would choke on a softlink?
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20:26<nyov>... pretending it was /var and I had it in /storage/var ?
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20:40<Bushmills>nyov: mount --bind is mostly preferable
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20:41<Black_Prince>yay pulseaudio ... I am soo leet that I am playing sound from one computer on other one via pulseaudio server :/
20:41<Bushmills>or simply mount your volume somewhere else
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20:47<nyov>Bushmills: yeah I went with that, it looks 'cleaner' and I can easily mount it to somewhere else :) thanks
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20:50<shiloh25>Black_Prince, main reason i came to Debian was NO pulse audio, lol
20:51<Black_Prince>Meh, my sound card did not support hardware mixing (I could not play sound from several sources at once)
20:51<shiloh25>ya cant game on it ever, at all
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21:27<nevyn>pulseaudio is actually pretty awesome
21:27<nevyn>I use it for switching between soundcards and jack and stuff.
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---Logclosed Sat Jul 02 00:00:03 2011