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00:00<Rainbowtron>I have an unpartitioned truecrypt disk right now.
00:01<robinetd>Are you guys taking plausible deniability into account?
00:01<notr00t>that's the goal robinetd
00:01<Rainbowtron>yes, that's the entire point
00:01<robinetd>Oh, okay. Nevermind me then. <3
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00:01<notr00t>welcome back jasonsmr
00:02<jasonsmr>hi , thanks something to fix in grub .P
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00:02<Rainbowtron>also, I strongly advise against using rw media for a live disk for loading an encrypted system.
00:02<jasonsmr>so whats the HEADER look like? and what language were you going to develop this mechinism with? sh script
00:03<notr00t>easy to flip the read-only switch on your usb stick
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00:04<notr00t>jasonsmr, do this -> 1) dd if=/dev/random of=/tmp/container bs=1M count=100 2) losetup /dev/loopX /tmp/container
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00:04<notr00t>where loopX is your first available loop device (losetup -f)
00:05<jasonsmr>oh allrighty you set up losetup with a random raw data
00:05<notr00t>well no i was just gonna show you what a header looks like
00:05<jasonsmr>thats your unpartioned disk there
00:05<notr00t>that file though is supposed to represent the unpartitioned disk
00:05<notr00t>then you cryptsetup luksFormat it
00:06<notr00t>luksOpen it
00:06<notr00t>build a file system
00:06<notr00t>luksClose it
00:06<jasonsmr>cool man , Im unfamilure with luks
00:06<notr00t>luksDump to get the payload offset (i.e. find out how big the header is)
00:06<Rainbowtron>ok, walk me through what my VM needs to start testing this with you.
00:06<notr00t>hold on Rainbowtron
00:07<jasonsmr>im sure I can figure out his far though
00:07<jasonsmr>I have a walk through about something simmular
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00:08<jasonsmr>so I get the offset how?
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00:08<jasonsmr>luksdump. allright
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00:09<jasonsmr>Ill need to do this some time..
00:10<notr00t>luksDump has a line for Payload offset
00:10<jasonsmr>wiill it tell the headed type too?
00:10<notr00t>depending on the algorithm/hash you're using, its size changes
00:10<jasonsmr> I dont want to asume anything here
00:10<notr00t>you got a hex editor?
00:10<notr00t>sudo apt-get install bless if you don't. works good
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00:12<jasonsmr>it will break down into human readable ? IDK
00:12<notr00t>i'm writin a quick script to set this all up
00:12<Rainbowtron>When we're done, I plan on sending instructions for this to Iran and Libya to help the rebels avoid detection.
00:12<notr00t>yep, it's easy to see
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00:12<notr00t>check out the post i made on anti-forensics about a random-key-encrypted RAMdisk
00:12<notr00t>(as Watson_DE)
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00:16<Rainbowtron>"overhead of saving to an encrypted container"? If there's noticable overhead, you're doing it wrong.
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00:17<Rainbowtron>Modern encrpytion is pretty seemless.
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00:19<notr00t>hold on i'm gonna put it on pastebin
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00:20<Rainbowtron>Oh, one note. make your RAM nodes as hard to physically access as possible. if they somehow know ahead of time that you're using encrpytion, a properly equipped attacker will rip open your case and put your nodes on ice to preserve the encryption keys.
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00:21<notr00t>Rainbowtron, yes that's why i suggested epoxying RAM to the boards
00:23<Rainbowtron>unfortunately, that's a big clue that you're using encryption, so in a place where they'll imprison you for not giving up the keys, that could be dangerous.
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00:23<notr00t>that's true
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00:24<Rainbowtron>I would do something that's more likely to just look like an antitheft measure for the entire box and its contents.
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00:24<notr00t>of course, newer intel CPU's have AES instructions built in so that keys can be kept out of RAM
00:25<notr00t>to my knowledge, there's no cold attacks against CPU's
00:25<Rainbowtron>I wouldn't risk it.
00:25<notr00t>well it's certainly harder
00:25<notr00t>RAM you can directly read with a reader
00:25<Rainbowtron>besides... the decrypted data will still be in your RAM
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00:26<notr00t>nothing is failsafe
00:26<notr00t>if they're doing cold-ram attacks though you've got other problems
00:26<notr00t>THEY KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT YOU being chief
00:27<Rainbowtron>or they suspect too much about you.
00:27<notr00t>i confess though - part of my goal is to help the rebels around the world
00:27<notr00t>encryption is good
00:27<notr00t>but can lead to trouble if it's detectable
00:27<Rainbowtron>in libya, they're searching everyone, whether they suspect or not
00:28<notr00t>not surprising
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00:28<notr00t>btw, did you get that script?
00:29<notr00t>you have to enter a passphrase twice to create the cryptainer then once to open it
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00:29<notr00t>ok, now if you open /dev/loop0 in a hex editor, you'll see the LUKS headers
00:29<notr00t>well at least the start
00:30<notr00t>the rest is basically unintelligible to humans
00:30<notr00t>even though it has structure
00:30<Rainbowtron>wait, is this for /boot?
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00:30<notr00t>you have the cryptainer created?
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00:31<Rainbowtron>not yet. I'm still trying to set up my VM. you have yet to tell me what it needs.
00:31<notr00t>just a basic linux distro with cryptsetup, lvm2 and hashalot
00:32<Rainbowtron>Ok, so I'll give it a debian CLI.
00:32<Rainbowtron>how many physical disks are involved?
00:33<notr00t>let's stick with 2 for now - a usb key and a hard drive
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00:33<notr00t>i've not used VM's too much
00:33<notr00t>my box is slow
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00:34<Rainbowtron>ok. where am I installing my system to start? USB or internal?
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00:35<Rainbowtron>I was recently using VMs on a system with less than 1GB or RAM. it's not as demanding as you might think if you use the right OS.
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00:37<notr00t>do you know how to do a luks/lvm system?
00:37<Rainbowtron>yeah, set them up all the time
00:38<Rainbowtron>I'm on one
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00:38<notr00t>ok, make ur VM that way
00:38<notr00t>unencrypted boot, encrypted everything else
00:38<Rainbowtron>on the internal?
00:38<notr00t>i'm still working this whole thing out
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00:43<Rainbowtron>oh great my install cd image is corrupt.
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00:47<notr00t>it's not really a failure though. cuz if we can figure out how to mount ANY dmsetup loop device during boot i can probably work it out the rest of the way
00:47<lindi->hmm, doesn't debian support encrypted root already?
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00:49<notr00t>you can use the installer to install to encrypted partitions and it will get updated into the initrd, yes
00:50<lindi->yep, cryptsetup has initramfs hooks and scripts
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00:51<Rainbowtron>lindi-: We're trying to take it a step further
00:51<lindi->without headers on disk?
00:51<Rainbowtron>if lybian rebels are caught with an obviously encrypted disk, they'll be executed.
00:52<notr00t>Rainbowtron, i think you missed the part earlier where i want to make the whole system be a "normal" windows system unless you know the key
00:52<notr00t>Rainbowtron, are they prohibited from HAVING encryption tools?
00:52<notr00t>i.e. is it acceptable to have truecrypt at all?
00:52<lindi->disk full of urandom is quite suspicious
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00:54<notr00t>not really
00:54<notr00t>it's a wiped disk
00:54<Rainbowtron>I don't know, but if they don't reveal the the contents of a disk known to be encrypted, they'll at least be imprisoned, and if they do because they were tortured for the passwords, and the information shows that they're rebels, they will be executed.
00:54<notr00t>don't want anything unorthodox on it
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00:55<notr00t>that's nuts
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00:56<Rainbowtron>They've promised to execute anyone with any connection to the rebelion.
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00:56<notr00t>it's funny
00:56<Rainbowtron>and they're so paranoid that they're sure that anyone who's hiding something is a rebel.
00:56<notr00t>how few people in the world realize that a few anonymous guys are sitting around at night trying to save lives with encryption :)
00:57<notr00t>scary how important it is to get it right though
00:57<notr00t>if we fuck up, people could die
00:57<notr00t>that's scary
00:57<Rainbowtron>that's why I have been quiet about it. I don't want anyone trying any of my half-baked ideas.
00:58<notr00t>let's ensure our ideas are well-done
00:58<jasonsmr>notr00t, couldent you do something with the image by storing the program in memory somewhere? in the drive at all?
00:59<jasonsmr>how about in the script itself, how much do you know about 4th code?
00:59<nevyn>hrm so the problem that is being attempted to solved is this:
00:59<jasonsmr>you could if a rom storage is out of question do that level of tokenizer right?
00:59<nevyn>by a stenography type thing where it looks like a normal windows system unless you press magic key combos?
01:00<jasonsmr>sounds about what I though of
01:00<Rainbowtron>nevyn: Is it sad that I didn't have to click on that to know what it was?
01:00<nevyn>Rainbowtron: very ;)
01:00<notr00t>nevyn, something like that
01:00<notr00t>undetectable encryption that looks like a normal system
01:00<nevyn>interesting but difficult.
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01:01<jasonsmr>its just a hideen script in a hiden script at a low level format drive, excuted while the system is called, and wit h a triggr hidden some wher..
01:01<notr00t>iow, an encrypted system inside of a normal system
01:01<jasonsmr>or if your real smart just some how in the code, Like I said, however I am just talking teory here
01:01<Rainbowtron>"difficult" which is why I've been working on it for years.
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01:01<notr00t>well there can't be any nonstandard tools
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01:02<notr00t>that will be a dead giveaway
01:02<jasonsmr>well isnt grub prety standard anymore?
01:02<notr00t>i don't know how smart the Libyan authorities are with encryption/steganography, but assume a brilliant adversary with unlimited resources and no legal restrictions
01:02<jasonsmr>that is compiled using simmulareabstracts
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01:04<jasonsmr>well you could place it in plain site. in a grid . I suppose in a macro level?
01:04<notr00t>you're talking things i dont understand
01:04<jasonsmr>lol I keep thinking about a beautiful mind all day
01:04<jasonsmr>that guy took one look at a screen of code and broke it
01:05<jasonsmr>what about using two encryptions?
01:05<notr00t>i love hacker movies
01:05<notr00t>they're so funny
01:05<notr00t>great big ACCESS DENIED flashing and beeping
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01:05<jasonsmr>on that uses an insertion method to the second while the forst is loading it kind of unlocks the second?
01:05<notr00t>and it's all graphical
01:06<Rainbowtron>Great, now I have "Row, row, row your boat" stuck in my head
01:06<notr00t>one idea is to store the encrypted headers using dmcrypt in the free space of the live stick
01:06<notr00t>so that to unlock it you need to know the offset
01:07<notr00t>*to access it
01:07<jasonsmr>thats a good idea
01:07<notr00t>only problem is dmcrypt requires an AES key directly
01:07<Rainbowtron>that's the best encryption idea I've heard in years.
01:08<jasonsmr>thats a give away maybe?
01:08<notr00t>it doesnt have a very good method for deriving a key from a passphrase
01:08<notr00t>i suppose it wouldn't matter much because you'd have to know the offset AND the key
01:08<Rainbowtron>wait... if you know the offset, DD it into a file on a ram disk
01:08<notr00t>yes but you still need to be able to decrypt it
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01:09<notr00t>and to securely encrypt it in the first place using dmcrypt you need to either type an AES key directly into the command, or use some other key derivation function
01:09<jasonsmr>dd will get to a image via offset
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01:10<jasonsmr>couldent you use simlinks to other sections in the offsets? so that when you use dd your only getting a symlink?
01:10<Rainbowtron>We'll crunch this soon. I know it.
01:10<Rainbowtron>I'm not sure that makes any sense
01:11<Rainbowtron>if i'm understanding you, dd doesn't work that way
01:11<Rainbowtron>nor symlinks
01:11<jasonsmr>how about a pointer to another memory alocation?
01:11<notr00t>jasonsmr, i think we're on different pages here
01:11<jasonsmr>like in ROM
01:11<notr00t>the problem is how to securely encrypt the data in the first place
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01:11<notr00t>becaues dmcrypt doesn't use a good key derivation function
01:11<jasonsmr>probably , ;^^
01:12<Rainbowtron>and truecrypt has to exist somewhere so plausible deniablity is ruined
01:12<notr00t>what we need to accomplish is truecrypt's hidden volume feature--without using truecrypt
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01:13<Rainbowtron>or a way to hide truecrypt
01:13<notr00t>that might work
01:13<notr00t>but i think the hide-encrypted-headers-in-free-space idea will work
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01:14<notr00t>we just have to figure out how to encrypt them in a secure manner
01:15<Rainbowtron>more unconventional thinking needs to happen here.
01:15<notr00t>figuring out how to hide truecrypt would accomplish the goal of hiding hte headers but overcomplicate it
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01:17<Rainbowtron>it would also be best if we make the process idiot-proof so many people can do it without screwing up.
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01:18<Rainbowtron>why can't we use truecrypt hidden volumes, anyway?
01:18<notr00t>you want IDIOT-PROOF undetectable encryption?
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01:18<notr00t>we could, but you said you weren't sure if they could have truecrypt
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01:19<notr00t>that was my original idea was just to hide the headers, kernel and initrd in a truecrypt hidden volume
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01:19<jasonsmr>not00t have you seen this >>
01:19<Rainbowtron>well... if we use hidden volumes and they reveal the outer volume, it could be something that's just embarassing, not against the regime.
01:20<imperium>hi, package xserver-xorg-video-nvidia has disappeared from wheezy and stable. whats wrong?
01:20<notr00t>that's the point of a hidden volume
01:20<notr00t>but would they be OK with that?
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01:21<jasonsmr>in that example I pasted they used /dev/zero opposed to /dev/urandom, what do you suppose is the significance to that?
01:21<Rainbowtron>notr00t: I'm trying to revisit the idea to see if it's really a problem
01:21<notr00t>or would the authorities suspect them of having a hidden volume?
01:22<Rainbowtron>I think we should move this so we don't clutter out the strictly debian question.
01:22<notr00t>where to?
01:22<Rainbowtron>join #cryptrebels
01:23<Rainbowtron>jasonsmr: are you coming?
01:24<Rainbowtron>imperium: I'll take a moment away from my crypt project to see what you're talking about.
01:25<imperium>Rainbowtron: thx
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01:30<Rainbowtron>imperium: would you object to using closed-source drivers? those seem to still be available.
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01:31<vladuke>what is the fastest method to remove 100,000 files in one directory?
01:31<sney>100,000 specific files? some kind of for loop, I would guess
01:31<vladuke>"find -delete" or "rm"?
01:31<vladuke>just text files
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01:32<sney>for i in *.txt; do rm $i; done
01:32<sney>or whatever pattern you have
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01:32<vladuke>it's very long arguments list for "for"
01:33<notr00t>rm ./*.txt
01:33<vladuke>is rm build list of files before remove them?
01:33<jm_>use find + xargs if there are too many files
01:33<Rainbowtron>are you trying to clean out all 100,000 files in a directory, or picking and choosing?
01:33<jm_>vladuke: no, shell does
01:33<vladuke>Rainbowtron: only remove
01:34<vladuke>jm_: it's to long
01:34<vladuke>find -delete -- faster, than find + xargs.
01:35<jm_>vladuke: use it correctly and it won't be: find -name '*.txt' and yes, for delete find can do it directly
01:36<vladuke>is something faster than find?
01:36<imperium>Rainbowtron: no, im using that nvidia package. after i apt-get update and reboot, xserver didnt work. then i reinstalling using apt-get -tsid to fix
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01:38<dattebayo>hey guys recently im having problem with usb-creator, when i add file.iso it shows me nothing so i cant create flash bootable
01:39<vladuke>thanks for help.
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01:40<Rainbowtron>imperium: what graphics adapter are you using?
01:41<imperium>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G98M [GeForce G105M] (rev a2)
01:43<imperium>its ok its working now using sid package. i just wonder why the package missing from wheezy repository
01:44<jm_>imperium: nvidia driver exsits in wheezy
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01:45<imperium>jm_: nope :(
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01:49<Rainbowtron>imperium: you were using the open-source driver. try the closed-source driver.
01:51<sney>the proprietary driver in squeeze/wheezy is available as nvidia-kernel-dkms.
01:51<sney>%nvidia dkms howto
01:51<dselect>A manual for installing the proprietary <nvidia> drivers can be found at
01:51<sney>it can be a little annoying to set up, but it rebuilds itself automatically on kernel changes
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02:00<jm_>imperium: you are usign wrong package name
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02:02<sney>xserver-xorg-video-nvidia does exist in sid/experimental, but it looks like a new way to handle the source/dkms thing
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02:03<jm_>interesting, perhaps in the future we will no longer have to explain how to install the nvidia driver with a wiki page
02:03<sney>that would be nice.
02:03<sney>(or a howto)
02:04<sney>I didn't really want to update that howto until the end of time anyway.
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02:24<astronut>where's the bot?
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02:24<sney>astronut: dselect is the dpkg backup bot
02:24<sney>dselect: test
02:24<dselect>Test failed.
02:24<astronut>i remember using dselect...
02:26<astronut>nvidia seems broken in wheezy
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02:41<charlie>need ubuntu help
02:41<streuner>#ubuntu (
02:41<streuner>We support Debian, please respect that.
02:41<Vampirekiller>rly ? so get out of here lol
02:41<nyov>not very nice, Vampirekiller
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02:42<charlie>i was being friendly
02:42<Vampirekiller>me too
02:42<charlie>and also i am in the ubuntu support teem
02:43<dselect>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
02:43<babilen>charlie: ^^^ Click & Go for your convenience
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02:47<opalepatrick>Hello, just trying to use Empathy but the new accounts list only has Jabber Facebook & Google. Does anyone know how to enable other chat services like WindowsLIve etc?
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02:47<charlie>i do
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02:48<opalepatrick>Thanks Charlie. And how would that be?
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02:48<charlie>opalepatrick: i do
02:49<charlie>first thing is what vershon are you ysing
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02:50<astronut>shouldn't libgl1-nvidia-glx provide: libgl1?
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02:51<opalepatrick>there is a bug listed astronut
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02:52<astronut>it's broken in testing
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02:53<babilen>astronut: Yes, it is. Pull it from unstable.
02:53<astronut>i need to figure out which to pull from unstable
02:54<opalepatrick>So charlie am I being impatient?
02:55<charlie>I am looking it up.
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02:55<charlie>I need more informatian
02:55<opalepatrick>Apologies charlie, thought you knew, didnt mean for you to have to do my work for me :-)
02:55<astronut>looks like experimental... *sigh*
02:56<charlie>What ubuntu vershon do you have?
02:56<babilen>astronut: Two things: IIRC you just want libgl1-mesa-glx from sid and you know about #debian-next on
02:56<nyov>opalepatrick: for MSN you'll have to install telepathy-butterfly
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02:56<opalepatrick>charlie it is debain 6
02:56<nyov>no idea if that is windows live :P
02:56<opalepatrick>thanks nyov
02:56<babilen>astronut: Are you sure you need the version in experimental? I seem to remember that this bug is fixed in sid.
02:57<astronut>babilen: i'm checking sid
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02:57<astronut>wow, it's amazing how working on RHEL will make me lose all my debian skills
02:57<babilen>astronut: Stop working on it! ;)
02:58<charlie>im not shure.....
02:58<astronut>babilen: well, given that it's for work...
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02:59<opalepatrick>NO worries charlie
02:59<babilen>astronut: Yeah, sure :)
02:59<astronut>babilen: i/m not contributing to RHEL, but work is one of the larger RHEL-installations in the world :-)
02:59<charlie>let me check with someone ok
02:59<opalepatrick>nyov suggestion worked to install msn on the list
02:59<astronut>ya, sid looks good
02:59<babilen>%dbugs 630775
02:59<dselect>DONE:#630775:I[libgl1-nvidia-glx] libgl1-nvidia-glx: Does not provide libgl1 and breaks libgl1-mesa-glx (); Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:27:02 UTC []
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02:59<babilen>astronut: Should be ^^
03:00<opalepatrick>charlie ^^
03:00<screenn>I've got kernel panic at the server, after boot mdadm resync process began, that's a dmesg output -> should it be hardware problem?
03:00<astronut>babilen: ya, but if you looked at the close message, it was an upload to experimental that marked it as closed
03:00<opalepatrick>Thanks charlie, thanks nyov
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03:00<nyov>so, what happened to dpkg anyway? long time no see. is the doctor doing a braindump? :o
03:00<charlie>let ne look at something
03:00<astronut>ffmepg was bugging me so i decided to upgrade my tv box from squeeze to wheezy... stupid thing to do at night
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03:01<babilen>astronut: Yeah, but we've had that in the /topic for #debian-next for a while and i've checked that the packages made it to sid.
03:02<babilen>astronut: Heh, the disastrous: "I'm sure it'll work when I upgrade everything to the very latest version" fallacy
03:02<astronut>looks like it didn't start playing theese badly encoded files anyway
03:02<astronut>what's -next, dont' remembr that one
03:02<opalepatrick>Charlie, I have it working now. I don't want you to waste your time. It was install telepath-butterfly as per nyov
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03:03<astronut>i'm basically on permenant VAC from debian until i can get through the approval process for floss contribution against my nda/non-compete
03:03<babilen>astronut: #debian-next is the channel for support of wheezy/sid users.
03:03<astronut>so i stopped reading -devel and such
03:03<astronut>ah, cool
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03:03<astronut>that's newish - i assume it's part of the cut stuff?
03:03<screenn>seems ata error in the end of the dmesg
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03:03<babilen>astronut: No, we've decided that better support for those users is important.
03:04<screenn>I've got kernel panic at the server, after boot mdadm resync process began, that's a dmesg output -> should it be hardware problem?
03:04<babilen>astronut: I mean, yeah it was also spurred by all the discussion on CUT/rolling
03:04<astronut>heh, it would have been nice back when i cared more... desktop tracks sid, but mostly sticking with stable now that i'm playing less and working (for work) more
03:04<astronut>got you
03:04<screenn>going to drink a tea, be right back
03:05*astronut &
03:05<Ruusento>screenn, one of the disks got the first sector damaged or it's not DMA-compliant
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03:07<Ruusento>in this case the faulty disk is [ 1.316933] ata4.00: ATA-8: WDC WD3200AAKS-00L9A0, 01.03E01, max UDMA/133
03:08<Ruusento>check the serial and the model on the disk and you'll find it
03:09<Ruusento>then try using WD tools (connecting the disk on another PC) and give an extended SMART test
03:09<Ruusento>if it's recoverable, it will fix the problem for you, if it's not, it will say you that there are too much damaged sectors
03:10<screenn>Ruusento why you think it's not a controller?
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03:11<nyov>Ruusento: do you know of such a tool for Samsung disks? preferably one running on linux :)
03:11<screenn>Ruusento thanks, I'll run the smart test
03:11<Ruusento>screenn, yeah, it could be a controller, but it's only one disk that has the problem.
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03:11<Ruusento>nyov, afaik the Samsung tools are DOS-bootdisk based
03:12<screenn>what kind of smart test would you recomment for this time?
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03:13<jm_>smartd can run short/long self tests too
03:13<jm_>then there's badblocks
03:13<Ruusento>screenn, since you are mirroring all data on the other disk, you can try any test
03:14<screenn>wd tools, ok, it won't be easy connect to another pc, it's a remote server and people at the another side of console could just power on/off this machine
03:15<nyov>Ruusento: gah. found them, but ...ugh dos crap on floppies
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03:15<demooriaan>have a look at hiren boot cd or similar
03:15<screenn>jm_ smartd is for hdd testing?
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03:17<jm_>screenn: apt-cache show smartmontools
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03:18<Gerowen>How do I modify what NTP servers my system points to? I'm running Debian 6 and just installed ntp to keep the clock sync'd, but I'm not sure how to modify what ntp servers I'm actually using and when it syncs.
03:18<screenn>jm_ thanks, it could be nice to bind smart reports with nagios, I was thinking about that some time ago
03:18<astronut>Gerowen: /etc/ntp.conf
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03:26<Ruusento>jm_, it's better using vendor tools that use non-standard SMART routines, even if they are non-free...
03:26<jm_>Gerowen: run 'ntpq -c peers'
03:27<Ruusento>nyov, you could use syslinux on a USB drive to load the floppy image
03:28<Ruusento>or even grub/grub4dos, so you can load even ISOs from the external drive
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03:29<Gerowen>jm_ I found a walkthrough with Google after astronut pointed me to the ntp.conf file, so I'm pretty sure I'm up and running now, thanks though! :-)
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03:33<jm_>Gerowen: the command I gave you tells you which NTP server(s) you are using
03:33<screenn>Ruusento resync process going very slowly at the end [===================>.] resync = 99.2% (309351104/311620736) finish=4.0min speed=9326K/sec
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03:34<screenn>so, md: md0: resync done. looks good.
03:34<Gerowen>jm_ Ah, sweetness
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03:34<astronut>screenn: probably goes from outside in
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03:40<Ruusento>screenn, try rebooting that box
03:40<Ruusento>and see if it makes the same error
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03:41<Ruusento>if continues complaining about sector 0
03:41<Ruusento>that disk needs a little check up
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03:42<Ruusento>or in the bad case, a replacement
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03:43<screenn>Ruusento so mdadm resync done, errors disappears after reboot
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03:45<Ruusento>perfect, but always keep an eye on that disk
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03:47<Ruusento>eventually, if the data stored is important, buy a NAS with rsync, and setup a little backup storage
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03:50<screenn>Ruusento I asked people to check hdd's contacts, maybe they fixed that, but I'm still going to check this hdd and controller. I cant place it to another pc as I said. Is it good idea to stop hdd in md0 and check at this server?
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03:51<Ruusento>since it's part of a mirror, you can let it work until it dies, but keep in mind that you should keep another copy off-site
03:51<Ruusento>if the disk dies, it's replacement time :P
03:53<screenn>it's a raid-1, but when controller will died it could damage all my mirror
03:53<notr00t>Ruusento or screenn, are either of you familiar with the initrd boot process?
03:53<screenn>notr00t what's a question?
03:54<Ruusento>screenn, actually it may be only a disk problem and not controller-related
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03:54<notr00t>i'm trying to figure out how to use dmsetup to create a loop device during boot that can be used by cryptsetup later in boot
03:55<notr00t>basic problem - before cryptsetup runs in the initrd's init, i need to run dmsetup
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03:56<lindi->notr00t: initramfs hooks are actualy pretty easy
03:56<lindi->notr00t: just unpack the initramfs and read all the scripts
03:56<lindi->notr00t: then you see where you can add hooks easily
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03:56<notr00t>problem is i don't know where, or in which script, to do that
03:56<notr00t>its a new area for me
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04:13<screenn>Ruusento oops, server is down :(
04:13<screenn>I think kernel panic again
04:14<Ruusento>so probably it's the disk
04:14<screenn>ok, I'm going to remove error hdd from raid and check it now
04:14<Ruusento>the disk going down brings the md0 down
04:14<Ruusento>maybe it's the root
04:14<Ruusento>and the kernel dies for "tried to kill init"
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04:15<screenn>yeah, resync going again
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04:17<screenn>Ruusento -> that's what going on now
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04:21<Ruusento>screenn, there's no disk error at the moment
04:22<Ruusento>maybe it's really the controller as you were saying
04:22<screenn>yeah, I wonder, there is no previous errors
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04:28<CyberDomovoy>using stable, my system doesn't ask for a password when resuming from a suspend to disk (it should ask for the password of the logged-on user, right?). How can i fix that?
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04:37<lindi->CyberDomovoy: that's a bug in gnome I think
04:37<lindi->CyberDomovoy: was reported this year
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04:39<Lykkepillen>Hi, Im running Debian 5 on my server running Minecraft. I just updated to the latest version of Minecraft (1.7.2) and now im getting the following error in putty when accessing the screen running Minecraft - I tried the Minecraft IRC but they have no clue
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04:40<jm_>minecraft doesn't seem to be in debian
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04:40<Lykkepillen>It's a Java based multiplayer game
04:41<Lykkepillen>But since it's a charset error i hoped you guys might know what to do
04:41<jm_>yeah but they need to help you with it - debian doesn't ship it so it's unlikely you'll find someone here that can help with it
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04:42<bernat>it could be a java or jline problem, try asking for help there
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04:43<Lykkepillen>Thanks guys :)
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05:05<Shadowdancer>apt-get dist-upgrade on a "mostly squeeze" system wants to remove apt because aptitude depends on libapt-pkg4.10, which is only available from experimental. What gives?
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05:06<ckop64>hi people. flashplugin-nonfree on debian stable fails to install (not found). is this common/anyone else getting this? here is my sources.list:
05:06<ompaul>Shadowdancer: I'd point at your "mostly" squeeze, so you'd really want to show the upgrade offered in a pastebin, furthermore you might like to pastebin your sources file.
05:07<Shadowdancer>I'll quickly nuke the package cache and see if that helps
05:07<ompaul>ckop64: apt-get update and try it again, if you already did that
05:08<ompaul>Shadowdancer: you won't share with us the info I asked for first?
05:08<ompaul>ckop64: change the hu for de for a few minutes apt-get update and try it again but I'd find that strange
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05:10<ckop64>ompaul: eorks now, thanks.
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05:10<ompaul>ckop64: drop a note to the maintainers of the hu mirror
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05:10<ckop64>ompaul: I've tried that actually, and on both mirrors flashplugin-nonfree disappeared for a while (like 20 minutes)
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05:10<Shadowdancer>knock yourself out :-D
05:10<ompaul>ckop64: ohh
05:11<ompaul>Shadowdancer: you can't mix stable and testing
05:11<Shadowdancer>worked pretty well for the past 3 years
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05:12<ompaul>Shadowdancer: welcome to the day of your personal exception ;-)
05:12<Shadowdancer>and it doesn't even seem to be related to testign in this case
05:12<Shadowdancer>seeing how aptitude stays put at squeeze
05:12<Shadowdancer>and yet depends on a lib from experimental
05:12<ompaul>Shadowdancer: there is a lolcats for this I'm sure ... I can has unpossible pleze or something
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05:14<ompaul>Shadowdancer: the right way is to run one system - if you understand what you are doing you might I say might get away with pulling in something from upstream and it all goes funky, if the problem was squeeze don't you think this channel would be littered with people screaming about the problem?
05:15<Shadowdancer>oooh I see the problem
05:15<ompaul>I didn't look that hard when I saw the repos :)
05:16<Shadowdancer>stable apt "Provides: libapt-pkg4.10", but the non-virtual in experimental breaks it
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05:17<ompaul>most certainly not what we could call a stable system --- :)
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05:18<Shadowdancer>there are some things you cannot do with stable, but there are also things in virtuozzo that tend to break in weird ways when a guest OS is too advanced :-P
05:18<Shadowdancer>at least they apparently stopped injecting init scripts that break insserv
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05:21<Shadowdancer>heh this is fun. Installing and upgrading seem to use different dependency resolvers
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05:31<Shadowdancer>oh yeah, this explains a lot more. Can't use a current libc on this server because they bumped the kernel req :-/
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05:34<ompaul>Shadowdancer: whatever it is, it is not debian, debian does old stable, stable, testing, unstable and something called experimental, but what you got there is a lump that will break now, again, and again also. ;-)
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05:34<Shadowdancer>whatever, I can't go forward anymore :-/
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05:38<liz>I have a local debian pool. I need to generate the package list for the most recent version of the package. How to do it?
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05:47<lindi->liz: you maintain an unofficial repository? Consider using reprepro
05:47<liz>lindi-, what is it?
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05:48<lindi->liz: a tool for managing such repositories
05:48<lindi->liz: I use it with my repo
05:48<lindi->liz: and it's quite popular
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06:15<gunkamanti>is there some deadman's switch like program for debian already? sure one can program one oneself, but it would probably be more failsafe if one used vetted code
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06:16<jm_>deadman's switch for what?
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06:19<nyov>what's a deadman's switch :O
06:19<nyov>i think i heard that before... hmm
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06:20<gunkamanti>when i'm dead, a way that somebody gets my passwords etc., but ONLY when i'm dead :)
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06:21<nyov>i heard there is a U.S. based firm specialized in this...
06:21<gunkamanti>without me having to type "i'm dead" somewhere :P
06:21<jm_>heh there's been an article on LWN about what happens with your stuff once you die
06:21<petemc>sounds like escrow
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06:21<vtts>gunkamanti, you could constantly type "i'm still alive"
06:21<vtts>and delay some action
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06:22<gunkamanti>vtts: yes, something like that.
06:22<nyov>gunkamanti: what do you want to do with such a program?
06:22<gunkamanti>but i had hoped there's already a program for that, so i don't have to foolproof it myself
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06:23<gunkamanti>give people access to a system that they shouldn't have access to while i'm still there.
06:23<gunkamanti>so the system doesn't die with me.
06:23<nyov>gunkamanti: basically the watchdog software is such a thing. but for the system
06:23<ompaul>gunkamanti: there is a notebook my wife knows where to find it, my job has a notebook in a firesafe -
06:23<vtts>gunkamanti, you could simply provide instructions for password reset in an closed envelope
06:24<vtts>with a requirement for physical access
06:24<notr00t>you write out three wills
06:24<gunkamanti>vtts: not a good solution, the people to grant access in case live in different countries
06:24<notr00t>give them to three separate lawyers who don't know each other
06:24<gunkamanti>i was looking for something easy+cheap (!=lawyers)
06:25<notr00t>the first one has orders to --upon yoru death of course--publish a notice in the newspaper that says "bob jones should call [second lawyer]"
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06:25<gunkamanti>notr00t: :P
06:25<notr00t>third lawyer has orders to watch the papers for a note to bob jones
06:25<notr00t>second lawyer has a usb key with all your stuff password protected
06:25<notr00t>and the third one has the password
06:26<vtts>gunkamanti, what are the safeguards against you going rogue?
06:26<gunkamanti>i was more thinking of getting periodical mails, if i don't answer it after a week or so, another mail gets sent to my successor
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06:26<gunkamanti>vtts: going rogue in what respect?
06:26<vtts>like you get angry with someone and refuse to provide passwords
06:26<ompaul>gunkamanti: I can suggest many the thing that would floor you for beyond a week or two but not more than three and you really couldn't do anything about it
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06:27<gunkamanti>ompaul: ok 4 weeks then
06:27<notr00t>or you could just have another system that will e-mail the passphrases to someone you trust if you don't log in once a week or so
06:28<gunkamanti>notr00t: something like that, but i was hoping somebody already went to the hassle of implementing it.
06:28<ompaul>gunkamanti: can you take this to #debian-offtopic we can muse this for hours and it really isn't on topic but it is intereeting
06:28<notr00t>they did
06:28<notr00t>it's called cron
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06:28<ompaul>notr00t: hehe
06:28<gunkamanti>notr00t: ;)
06:29<nyov>and then there was the power outage...
06:29<gunkamanti>nyov: which is why i don't want it on my own machine
06:29<gunkamanti>i'm on #debian-offtopic now btw
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06:30<notr00t>well you could always just tell someone "hey, if i don't call you once a month, call so and so and read them this"
06:30<notr00t>one person has a list of passwords
06:30<notr00t>another has a list of systems they're used for
06:30<notr00t>but neither knows about each other
06:31<notr00t>and both papers are useless by themselves
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06:37<heyman>Is it possible to make such a copying of files/dir.s so that whole the content becomes owned by another user - the owner of the dir. that the content is copied to? Thank You.
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06:41<Nemoder>heyman: file ownership only changes to the user copying the files, only root can change them otherwise
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07:38<gnufan2>Argh.... icedove default browser setting is set to a locally installed copy of firefox (~/Desktop/Firefox/firefox) but where? I must have set this but I can't remember how. Now /etc/alternatives none of those work. Not settings in icedove config editor. Not KDE4 settings I can find (Preferred Applications), Where else should I look? strace the application just hung everything which seemed a sensible try.
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07:39<gnufan2>Oops "Not /etc/alternatives" none of those point to the relevant executable.....
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07:40<anirban>gnufan2, its mite ~/.mozilla
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07:43<gnufan2>anirban: sorry which file in .mozilla? A quick grep shows nothing (but then a REALLY big grep showed nothing obvious earlier....
07:44<anirban>gnufan2, its profile what you searching for?
07:44<notr00t>another option - change the preferences in whatever browser you WANT to be your default browser and turn on the "check to make sure XXXXX is your default browser"
07:44<notr00t>then restart that
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07:47<anirban>default browser ? gnufan2 i thought you searching for profile
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07:47<gnufan2>notr00t: that works although I'm not sure I do want this browser to be my default, I just want it to be the one opened by Icedove. The Mozilla site advice is set app handlers, but clearly something is overriding that as well.
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07:48<anirban>not a good process coz its create sumlink here and there but you can try, update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
07:48<anirban>gnufan2, ^
07:49<gnufan2>anirban: as I said update alternatives is not the culprit. I guess I'll have to put up with this, but I'm curious what "Make my default" browser tweaks and presumably that is KDE settings somewhere?
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07:50<kazoom>I can't use virtualization. On boot one message says "module kvm_amd failed to load..."... Googling didn't help me out. Any idea what's going on?
07:50<notr00t>you could find out by installing tripwire or something
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07:50<notr00t>then watching what files change
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07:51<gnufan2>notr00t: I'm trying "find" and "ls" at the moment.... grr
07:51<anirban>kazoom, kmv installed ?
07:51<kazoom>anirvan, kvm and qemu-kvm
07:52<heyman>Nemoder: OK, then, may I (how?) make another solution: every file/subdir. will have the same ownership/permissions as the dir. to which the content is copied?
07:52<anirban>kazoom, then try aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade
07:52<Zaba>kazoom, try 'modprobe kvm_amd'
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07:54<gnufan2>notr00t: sets a setting for "BrowserApplication" in ./.kde/share/config/kdeglobals --- hmm presumably there is a KDE util that exposes this somewhere.
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07:54<kazoom>anirban: I did apt-get dist-upgrade
07:54<kazoom>Zaba: it says: "FATAL: Error inserting kvm_amd (/lib/modules/2.6.39-2-amd64/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-amd.ko): Operation not supported"
07:55<gnufan2>notr00t: argh that isn't the whole story either
07:55<anirban>kazoom, modprobe need root privilege
07:55<Zaba>kazoom, dmesg | grep -i kvm?
07:55<Zaba>kazoom, well yes, run modprobe as root
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07:56<kazoom>anirban, Zaba, lol, I did run it as root :)
07:56<Zaba>kazoom, does dmesg|grep kvm come up with anything/
07:56<kazoom>Zaba: kvm: disabled by bios
07:56<Zaba>kazoom, fix that, then
07:56<kazoom>Zaba: as far as I have inspected BIOS settings
07:57<kazoom>there is not switch for virtualization
07:57<Zaba>kazoom, if there's no option for it in the bios, you are probably out of luck
07:57<kazoom>Zaba, when I buy a computer the first thing I do is checking the BIOS for settings and stuff... but will do it again because that's strange
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08:00<gnufan2>Argh - I don't believe it having set Chrome to be default browser, and set the default back to Firefox, now Chrome has the option greyed out because it thinks it is already the default browser.
08:00<kazoom>aah, grml, those notbook BIOSses are so diverse and twisted, found the honking switch... thanks for support
08:01<Zaba>kazoom, good to know that the option -was- there, at least :>
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08:10<skilz>hey I can startx and it works for a few seconds (little bit slow when I drag terminal windows ect). Then it just hangs and I get this error in console '(EE) intel(0): Detected a hung GPU, disabling acceleration.'
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08:11<skilz>also when I type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it doesnt do anything
08:11<skilz>!reconfigure x
08:11<skilz>!tell skilz about xorg
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08:44<nyov>,versions wine
08:44<judd>Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3.1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.0.1-3.1; experimental: 1.1.24-2
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08:48<kazoom>,versions wine
08:49<judd>Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3.1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.0.1-3.1; experimental: 1.1.24-2
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09:01<Jarlaxe>hi everybody ! I have (always had) trouble running CD burners on a eeepc 1000he (wheezy/2.6.39). I could try 2 burners on this one and another pc. Both work on this one, but don't on mine. Any hint ?
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09:04<balmani>hi people
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09:05<Bushmills>Jarlaxe: what cd writing software are you using?
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09:06<nyov>wine packaging efforts seem to have stalled? no one wants the job anymore?
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09:07<nyov>can't find wine on wnpp, though. but from the repo (if I got the right one), last update was about a year ago
09:08<tal>I got fglrx-glx, because it's in conflict with all gtk and qt apps, in testing. Any one does the same?
09:08<nodisc>nyov: i use packages from , works well in wheezy
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09:09<tal>nodisc: you mean fglrx-glx is supported there?
09:10<tal>nodisc: Never mind, I tought you talked to me
09:10<Jarlaxe>Bushmills: problems are even to recognize any cd/dvd
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09:10<tal>Am I the only one who try to use Radeon non-free driver?
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09:11<nyov>nodisc: ah, they're building debs, too. nice, thanks
09:11<Bushmills>Jarlaxe: my cheap-o LG GP08 usb burner works nicely on an EEE PC, and i'm sure that one is not an exception
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09:13<Jarlaxe>Bushmills: mine is a cheap benq, work perfectly on the friend's one ...
09:13<Bushmills>try to plug both usb plugs into your netbook. your cable has two usb plugs computer-side, right?
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09:15<Jarlaxe>Bushmills: i do the power's cable of course. can you tell me wich device is recognize one yours ? mine is /dev/sr0, but vlc never wants it
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09:16<Bushmills>wodim -scanbus shows scsibus5: 5,0,0 500) 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVDRAM GP08NU6W ' '1.00' Removable CD-ROM
09:16<Bushmills>device is /dev/sr0
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09:18<Jarlaxe>Bushmills: try to install wodim and i check dmesg
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09:19<gnufan2>Jarlaxe: what is not working? I had trouble yesterday with Squeeze, and a know bug that causes some files to be written as all zeros (to the right length).
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09:21<Jarlaxe>gnufan2: i had the problems since i get the cd burner. it seems a hardware problem or something : any os on this eeepc makes the device troubling
09:22<gnufan2>Recent Squeeze changes - we had a C program that called Perl script after calling setuid and friends. With the latest updates I needed to recompile the script. Did we break some promised backward compatibilty in Squeeze somewhere?
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09:23<lindi->gnufan2: needed to recompile?
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09:30<gnufan2>lindi-: Well that is how I fixed the issue. We have this as a wrapper script for a CGI app (password protected in Apache). It says "setuid(500) \n setuid(27) \n execve("$cgiserve",arvp,envp) \n" it was producing execve error saying the script being called doesn't exist (but it clearly does). Since it is relatively simply, I thought I'd start with recompiling the wrapper, it made a slightly larger wrapper script (4600bytes v 3108bytes) and the
09:30<gnufan2>larger one worked first time.
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09:33<gnufan2>lindi-: oops "s/simply/simple" the C is actually a here document in a 33line bash script since it is so trivial. But don't see why a recompile should be needed. I assume execve error means what it says, and that it couldn't execute the script for some reason. Surprising amount of churn since last Monday when it was last known to work correctly. Not least point release and perl-suid update.
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09:33<nodisc>nyov: yes the playonlinux repo works fine, just pay attention to the package names (they're called wine-stable and wine-unstable i think)
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09:38<gnufan2>lindi-: hmm the old version looks to be VERY old. Like urm wrong architecture (setuid setgid ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, stripped) versus the new (setuid setgid ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped) - the new values look sensible - how on earth did the old one ever work I
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09:39<funkyHat>Fun. aptitude's dying from a SIGABRT again when I try to use ~ in search
09:39<nyov>nodisc: yeah, found them, no problem there. now let's see how they work
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09:43<nodisc>nyov: just out of curiosity, can i ask what app youre trying to run?
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09:43<nyov>nodisc: office related
09:43<nyov>nothing interesting
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09:59<Chaos4>Hi, i have a VPS and i don't know modified connection host to irc, they appear like this:
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10:00<akerl>Chaos4: ??
10:00<Chaos4>sorry for my english i'am french ^^'
10:00<petemc>Chaos4: that is your reverse dns, most likely you cant change it
10:01<petemc>you can sign up for a cloak
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10:02<petemc>but thats specific to each irc network
10:02<Chaos4>cloak is proxy?
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10:02<notr00t>or you can use tor or something if you want to hide yourself
10:02<petemc>no, its the irc network masking your hostname
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10:03<Chaos4>I don't want hide, but i have psybnc, and i want create vhost
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10:03<gnufan2>Ha - mystery solved - problem exists between chair and keyboard. Wednesday last week I purged libc6-i386 and this stopped the hideously old and unreformed executables from running.
10:03<gnufan2>That will teach me to tidy up after a point release of Debian :(
10:04<petemc>Chaos4: check to see if your provider allows you to configure ptr records
10:05<Chaos4>my provider is 1&1 i know it?
10:05<petemc> ive heard of them...
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10:06<Chaos4>ok ok ^^ i search
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10:10<Chaos4>there is a report to named.conf ?
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10:20<jerryclunsford>I have two computers with two ethernet cards in each can set them up to use one card for internet and one for local network?
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10:21<daemonkeeper>Yes, you can, but you don't need to.
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10:22<jerryclunsford>I know that but they are gigabit cards and going through the modem router it is on 100. I would like to use the whole 1000 for local.
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10:23<Bushmills>jerryclunsford: proper routing does that for you
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10:24<Jarlaxe>Bushmills: in user.log, I find : mtp-probe: checking bus 1, device 73: "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-4/1-4.3" ; mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 73 was not an MTP device
10:24<jerryclunsford>A 100 mega bit router will only give 100 megabit through put right?
10:25<Bushmills>Jarlaxe: that should by all right
10:25<daemonkeeper>jerryclunsford: Why do you think, your packages destined to your local network would be go through the IP layer on the router?
10:25<Jarlaxe>Bushmills: I keep searching ...
10:26<daemonkeeper>jerryclunsford: As long as your local network is not segregated, local addressees are contacted _directly_ on layer 2, i.e. by using Ethernet/MAC addressing.
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10:27<jerryclunsford>I don't know that much about routers etc. but I assumed that a 100 megabit router modem would only give 100 megabit on the local net too.
10:27<petemc>that is correct
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10:28<akerl>jerryclunsford: Is it a router? Or a modem. Pick one.
10:28<petemc>that seems a bit pedantic
10:28<jerryclunsford>It is an ISP supplied modem with a router built in so I can't really pick one.
10:30<nevyn>right but you can reconfigure it.
10:30<ml|>you could connect a 1000 switch to that router and all should be fine, for local stuff at least
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10:33<jerryclunsford>I was thinking of running a crossover cable between the two unused gigabit cards to get 1000 on the local and using the ones that are already connect to the internet for the internet.
10:33<daemonkeeper>jerryclunsford: How does your topology look like? You connect your computers and your router to a switch, or is your router thingie also a bridge with 4 or so ethernet ports?
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10:35<jerryclunsford>4 port router bridged to modem in one unit no switch.
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10:36<daemonkeeper>So you are right, you need to interconnect your computers directly to get full wire speed.
10:36<daemonkeeper>No need to use cross over cables though, your cards will have auto-mdi
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10:37<jerryclunsford>Ok, but is there any set up to get the local to use it?
10:38<daemonkeeper>Sure, you need to configure an IP network between your computers.
10:38<jerryclunsford>that all?
10:38<daemonkeeper>That's all
10:38<jerryclunsford>Thanks I figured it would be a lot sticker than that.
10:38<daemonkeeper>Obviously you can't use DHCP, so you need to configure IPs statically.
10:39<daemonkeeper>But besides, that's all.
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10:41<jerryclunsford>I figured that Been through static IP setup before I have a web server on one of my computers. I am running two HP Proliants one G3 one G4p for web production.
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10:41<jerryclunsford>Well, Thanks again and have a good 4th.
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10:49<Nik05>does the dpkg bot still work?
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10:49<petemc>its not in the channel
10:49<daemonkeeper>dpkg is on holiday
10:49<daemonkeeper>He was tired of helping all the day, but nobody thanked him for his commitment.
10:50<ml|>Nik05: you can /msg dselect
10:50<Nik05>ah ok :)
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10:58<kirjuha>guys please can someone help me?
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10:59<kirjuha>can anyone help me?
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11:00<petemc>kirjuha: you need to ask a real question before anyone can know if they can help you
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11:00<kirjuha>Debian 6 xorg configuration
11:00<kirjuha>wrong configuration
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11:01<kirjuha>wrong screen resolution
11:01<akerl>Still not a question there
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11:01<Bushmills>kirjuha: medical emergency? legal advice?
11:01<dselect>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
11:02<kirjuha>i have configured screen resolution
11:02<kirjuha>but then
11:02<Bushmills>or economic disaster pending?
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11:02<cahoot>kirjuha, the inevitable question is if you've already tried without any xorg.conf at all
11:03<Rehnquist>peeps, what's the general consensus on the preload daemon?
11:03<Rehnquist>is it worth using?
11:04<kirjuha>ok how to install flas on debian?
11:04<kirjuha>a true question
11:04<dselect>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
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11:05<fnmueller>basically it's something like apt-get install flash-plugin
11:05<cahoot>kirjuha, so the resolutionmatter is fixed/obsolete?
11:06<kirjuha>the screen is moved to the right and i do not know how to center it
11:07<kirjuha>half of it is unseen
11:07<fnmueller>kirjuha: use the oncreen menu of the screen in order to adjust the horizontal position?
11:07<kirjuha>i have already done this
11:08<kirjuha>it seems the problem is in my driver
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11:08<kirjuha>i can send my xorg.0.log
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11:10<kirjuha>also the sound in movies is quiet, but supposed to be louder
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11:13<weedeater64>kirjuha: alsamixer
11:13<kirjuha>how to unpack archive with administrator rights?
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11:15<kirjuha>where to unpack archive with flash in it?
11:15<weedeater64>apt-get install flash-plugin will do nothing without alterig your sources.list first. But , apt-get install gnash should let you watch youtube crap
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11:16<weedeater64>better to install clive to get youtube crap ,and play it with mplayer
11:17<weedeater64>altering* dang
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11:18<kirjuha>how to make compiz to work?
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11:20<kirjuha>how to install skype on debian 6?
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11:20<ckop64>hello, I'm using debian stable with KDE. After a plasma crash my desktop looks like this: . I can't rightclick it or anything. How do I bring it back?
11:21<akerl>kirjuha: This may shock you, but some questions are better answered by google then by shotgunning questions at the irc channel
11:21<fnmueller>kirjuha: esp. if you have no clue
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11:28<BashProblem>Hi, I have a little problem with my "postinst" install script. I am trying to use checks with an exit code inside the script - my problem is, if exit !=0 is called, even the postinst script exits. :-/ Does anyone have an idea how to solve this?
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11:30<maxb>Most likely you need read about the precise meaning of "set -e"
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11:40<BashProblem>maxb: set -e means more or less that the command exists immediately if the command is not part of "if, until,..". Does this mean that if I use "/usr/bin/id" inside an if command directly, that it will not totally exit?
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11:41<BashProblem>maxb: ok I will try this. thanks. currently I run $ID $USER if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then what does not work. Thanks.
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11:52<FRAN>hay alguien???
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11:52<FRAN>olaaaa Razy
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11:52<FRAN>ola r4co0n
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11:53<FRAN>olaa olita chealer
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11:57<Mendax>stupid question: when you are downloading debian do you have to download all of the images:
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11:57<Guest884>Mendax: no. just the first one
11:58<notr00t>Guest884, are you familiar with the initrd init scripts?
11:59<Mendax>why do you guys like debian better than ubuntu (assumption)
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12:00<notr00t>ubuntu is based on debian
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12:01<notr00t>i use ubuntu and backtrack myself
12:01<cahoot>mainly because you don't have to explain why
12:01<fnmueller>Mendax: maybe because the community does not tend that much to impose stupid questions
12:01<notr00t>haha fnmueller makes a good point
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12:02<MrFrood>notr00t: probablly a question for offtopic but 1: not so locked down 2: the non-commercial phillosophy
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12:02<coolGuy>so I'm trying to compile kernel 3.0 and it's almost at the end but it says it can't find ./debian/source-link directory
12:03<notr00t>sorry coolGuy, i dunno how to help you there
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12:03<akerl>coolGuy: What feature of 3.0 do you need?
12:03<notr00t>is anyone in here familiar with initrd's init script?
12:03<coolGuy>well, do you need more information or what, I'm searching all over the internet and finding nothing
12:04<notr00t>well 3.0 is pretty new, so that's to be expected
12:05<notr00t>if anyone in here is familiar with init scripts, i'm trying to figure out how to do losetup, then dmsetup, then cryptsetup--in that order--during boot
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12:07<coolGuy>akerl, I need to use the updated kernel to resolve a freezing bug with my nvidia card
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12:13<notr00t>this may seem like a dumb question, but when scripting with /bin/sh --not bash-- what does a line that starts with > do?
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12:13<notr00t>is it still the redirect operator?
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12:16<SynrG>notr00t: this is #debian, not shell 101. read the doc. test it yourself. you've proclaimed you use backtrack and ubuntu, so i'm not sure why you think your questions are relevant here ...
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12:16<notr00t>hence the reason i said it seems like a dumb question
12:16<SynrG>it's not a dumb question. it's an interesting question. just not for here.
12:17<SynrG>this channel is for support of debian. if you're here for reasons other than a debian support, you're in the wrong channel.
12:18<SynrG>s/a //
12:18<notr00t>it's funny how we just use regex to talk
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12:19<notr00t>well my project is debian-based, and debian users will greatly benefit from it :)
12:19<bws42>hi, I'm trying to use dpkg-buildpackage to compile a 32bit package on my 64bit machine, it does create a package with the architecture set to i386, but the binaries inside are all 64bit binaries (heh) is there a guide on how to do this properly?
12:19<dselect>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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12:20<bzed>bws42: search for linux32
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12:21<SynrG>notr00t: on the other hand, if you're actually using debian to make a derivative, that's a whole other topic than being a user of a debian derivative. but equally off-topic for here, i think.
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12:21<notr00t>well at this point i'm somewhere in between
12:22<bws42>bzed, so something like `linux32 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b` ? (I'm running that)
12:22<bzed>bws42: no. why don't you go to the page I linked you to and acutally read whats written there?
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12:24<bws42>I did, the only mention of linux32 is on bullet 24. amd64 and i386-mode where it shows how to run something using linux32
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12:24<bws42>or should I be using pbuilder instead of dpkg-buildpackage?
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12:24<bzed>bws42: indeed. you need a proper build chroot.
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12:25<bws42>ahh phooey I didn't want to make a chroot
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12:26<bzed>bws42: well you might be able to try multiarch in unstable... but what you really want to do is to use a chroot.
12:27<bws42>bzed: I've got a bunch of multiarch stuff installed from my current attempts though I'm on Squeeze, I'll just give the chroot a shot since it looks like pbuilder will make it for me
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12:28<bzed>bws42: yeah, you just have to call it with the proper options
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12:29<bzed>bws42: my .pbuilderrc might be helpful for you
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12:30<linkforsoad>Whoops, I'm sorry, wrong server. Goodbye!
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12:38<bws42>bzed: that's awesome
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14:22<Jarlaxe>hi everyone ! I come back with my cd driver problem on a eeepc. So it doesn't work on it (any OS, nor another cd driver), but work on another laptop.
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14:22<__Alex_>EEEPC has a cd drive? 0_0? Awsum
14:23<bremner> /part
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14:23<Jarlaxe>external one
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14:36<chealer>hi. my X session was interrupted while synaptic was running. how can I "re-attach" to the synaptic process from my new session?
14:37<Jarlaxe>let it finish a while, then you restart gdm, i would do that
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14:39<Jarlaxe>you can verify if it still running with a htop like tool in tty1, for instance
14:40<chealer>dondelelcaro: what happened to dpkg?
14:41<chealer>Jarlaxe: I don't use gdm. I'm asking how to re-attach to the process, to be able to continue the operation
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14:42<Jarlaxe>chealer: *dm, whatever you use. I don't think synaptic can afford a "re-attach"-like function as a screen or tmux
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14:43<chealer>Jarlaxe: my display manager was already restarted
14:44<lindi->Jarlaxe: I use xpra for that but it's still very new
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14:44<lindi->Jarlaxe: it's even better than screen. if xpra itself crashes you can still restart xpra and continue using your X apps
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14:44<anirban>lindi-, xpra display manager?
14:45<Jarlaxe>lindi-: what is xpra ? i use tmux and screen for now
14:45<lindi->anirban: Jarlaxe: 'X Persistent Remote Applications'
14:45<Jarlaxe>chealer: it was already restarted ? so check in process if synaptic is still running, if it's not, you have to launch it again, and be carefull with mistakes.
14:45<lindi->it hit debian this year but as I said we still need to fix bugs
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14:46<chealer>Jarlaxe: the process is still running. I'm asking how to re-attach to the process.
14:46<Jarlaxe>chealer: if it was during a packages dowloading process, it's ok, otherwise, need to go slowly
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14:47<Jarlaxe>lindi-: i think i heard about it, but it was still experimental, so i did not test it
14:48<sney>looks interesting, I'm going to see if I can build it
14:48<lindi->Jarlaxe: the worst bugs are being fixed in SVN as we speak
14:48<Jarlaxe>chealer: process stil running : ok, but as i told you, i don't know if it possible to "re-attach" it. I use aptitude
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14:49<Jarlaxe>lindi-: ok, i could have a look, i like multiplexing sessions ^^
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14:52<Garp>Help: my xine, mplayer and vlc are broken and unable to read any .avi files. aptitude upgrade returns me unconsistancies, is there a know problem? Thanks.
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14:53<dselect>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
14:53<Jarlaxe>Garp: first, check with aptitude if you have broken packages
14:53<jhutchins_lt>Garp: Also consider pastebin-ing your sources.list
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14:54<Garp>(how do I dfind broken in aptitude, thanks?=
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14:54<Jarlaxe>Garp: and a good purge reinstall those soft.
14:55<lindi->Jarlaxe: don't use the version from debian, it's too buggy still
14:55<chealer>nevermind, I killed the process
14:55<Garp>the aptitude error:
14:56<Jarlaxe>Garp: in aptitude, do a ctrl+t, and you find "search broken" in menus (as launch aptitude in CLI mode)
14:56<Garp> source list
14:56<Jarlaxe>lindi-: an arch one would be good ? wich systeme you tried it on ?
14:57<lindi->Jarlaxe: arch one?
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14:57<Garp>Jarlaxe: i didnt even known aptitude has a menu driven command
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14:57<Jarlaxe>Garp: so ctrl+t, and navigate in it
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14:58<Garp>Jarlaxe: I selected Find Broken, but I saw no obvious output
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14:59<Jarlaxe>Garp: so nothing is broken.
14:59<Jarlaxe>paste us your sources.list please
14:59<Garp> source list
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15:03<Jarlaxe>Garp: you could decomplement your multimedia file, update, upgrade, purge and reinstall your softs
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15:04<jgoppert>can you guys help, logged into my system today and tried to copy, got this: ~$ cp test test2
15:04<jgoppert>cp: closing `test2': Input/output error
15:04<jgoppert>its only on the nfs mount i think
15:05<Jarlaxe>Garp: why you don't have any "base" lines ?
15:05<jgoppert>local disk cp works fine
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15:06<Jarlaxe>jgoppert: have you checked rights ? what gives you a ls -l ?
15:06<Garp>Jarlaxe: dunno, wjhat shoud it looks like?
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15:07<jgoppert>Jarlaxe test has read write access with my user name
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15:07<jgoppert>if i log into the server whre the nfs drive is mounted from i can perform the copy without error
15:08<sney>Garp: uncomment debian-multimedia, aptitude update, and try again.
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15:09<Garp>sneysame thing
15:09<Garp>My GF is upste now ;(
15:09<Garp>well... I give up for tonight
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15:09<Jarlaxe>Garp: if you want, you can adapt mine, you put "squeeze" instead all of my "testing" (squeeze is the stable one now), update and upgrade
15:09<Garp>We'll use a dvd player
15:10<Garp>Jarlaxe: I taje note, but after the movie now.
15:10<Garp>thanks everyone
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15:10<Jarlaxe>good luck Garp !
15:10<bernat>Garp: if you installed packages from debian-multimedia you might have broken libraries
15:11<bernat>you might need to downgrade to debian versions
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15:11<jgoppert>started working randomly... i'm good now
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15:11<bernat>I used to have that kind of problems
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15:11<Jarlaxe>bernat: debian-multimedia is "testing only" ?
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15:12<Jarlaxe>jgoppert: great ^^
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15:12<sney>Jarlaxe: he had a main mirror, and your sources.list is redundant
15:13<bernat>Jarlaxe: nop, at least testing and unstable
15:13<sney>dmm has oldstable, stable, testing and unstable.
15:13<Jarlaxe>sney: yes, i added some lines because i always miss stuff, but i'm not a sources.list master yet ... !
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15:13<sney>(lenny, squeeze, wheezy, sid)
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15:14<sney>Jarlaxe: I don't know why you added a second mirror for contrib and non-free. surely you see the similarity between those lines and your "base" lines?
15:14<Jarlaxe>but maybe Garp would be good using a testing.
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15:15<Jarlaxe>sney: one was supposed to be for security, the other for "general use". Maybe is redundant ?
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15:18<Jarlaxe>something else : do you know any software tool able to give good mesure and architecture view of the computer ?
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15:19<sney>I have no idea what you're saying
15:19<sney>maybe you should try #debian-fr ?
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15:20<Jarlaxe>sney: i did, wainting answers. it would be useful and interesting
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15:36<fLoo>hi folks
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15:36<fLoo>i'm having a serious issue with the latest kernel ( after upgrading from 2.6.36
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15:36<fLoo>udevadm keeps generating annoying errormessages like "udevadm settle timeout of 180 seconds reached the event queue contains"
15:36<fLoo>which is pointing to my cd-rom drive
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15:37<fLoo>so boots takes like 10 minutes, afterwards system is fully booted and usable, i just dont find an answer why i'm getting these errors, just because i upgraded my kernel
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15:40<Bushmills>fLoo, there were some reports of udev in testing being broken.
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15:41<fLoo>so wow, i'm using stable
15:41<fLoo>so i thought - hey it might work
15:41<fLoo>may you supply me with a link the the bugreport please ß
15:41<Bushmills>backports kernel?
15:41<fLoo>brand new compiled + patched with latest vserver-patches
15:42<fLoo>but even without vserver-patches the errors keeps occuring
15:42<Bushmills>try stable kernel. 2.6.32 that is, i think
15:42<fLoo>this works, as 2.6.36 does
15:42<fLoo>just 2.6.38 doesnt and i really would like to know why this keeps happening
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15:43<fLoo>havent found any changes in udev tbh
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15:43<Bushmills>udev from stable should be fine. chances are that the problem is your kernel compilate. or the kernel.
15:43<fLoo>well, titles "" as stable
15:44<fLoo>so actually its somehow a broken dependency or something i really cant figure out
15:44<fLoo>because i cant strace it while booting the system up
15:44<Bushmills>debian stable is 2.6.32
15:44<Bushmills> has no say in that :)
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15:44<fLoo>well, there are people running debian squeeze with .38 kernel, so it should work (normally?!)
15:45<Bushmills>may work for some, not for others. i have problems with 2.6.38 and 2.6.39
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15:53<Kolt>Hi! I have some issues with my ati mobility radeon x700 driver. I tried to start caesar3 with wine the terminal output is: how shall I get it working?
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16:01<SynrG>Kolt: and that's a radeon driver issue how?
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16:02<dselect>Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: . The beta Wine packages from are not supported in #debian. #winehq on See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries.
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16:03<Kolt>SynrG: It's since I changed the driver. I managed to run it before, but with graphical errors.
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16:04<SynrG>Kolt: and that's the only thing that changed?
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16:05<SynrG>looks like it's using wine's 3d support. is that solid?
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16:06<Kolt>SynrG: yes. the only thing changed. But also when I try to use playonlinux it sais I have no direct3d enabled
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16:07<SynrG>Kolt: is that using the free 'radeon' xorg driver?
16:08<Kolt>SynrG: How do I find that out? I have no xorg.conf in /etc/x11
16:11<SynrG>if you took no additional measures on your system to install a different driver, then yes, that's what you have
16:12<Kolt>ok than that's what I have
16:14<SynrG>do you have libdrm-radeon1 installed?
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16:14<SynrG>and libgl1-mesa-dri?
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16:15<Kolt>SynrG: yes. both
16:15<Black_Prince>Kolt, and do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed?
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16:16<SynrG>Black_Prince: i don't think that's needed for RV410
16:16<SynrG>at least it's not listed with the others
16:17<Kolt>no I dont. I dont even see the package in the list. I guess its not available from my current repositories?
16:17<Black_Prince>SynrG, ah ok
16:17<SynrG>Kolt: well, it's from the non-free archive area. as i said, i don't think you need it
16:17<SynrG>Kolt: do gl apps (not wine) seem to work ok, performing reasonably well?
16:18<Kolt>SynrG: I dont really know, since I dont know which are gl apps
16:18<SynrG>any 3d games?
16:19<Kolt>but I installed firmware-linux-non free
16:19<Kolt>I havent tried any other 3d games
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16:19<SynrG>something native, like tremulous
16:20<Bushmills>warzone2100 demands a bit more
16:21<SynrG>well, i don't know what the x700. tremulous should work well on pretty much anything and will definitely perform poorly if 3d is broken :)
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16:21<SynrG>s/what the x700/what the x700 is/
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16:23<Kolt>Im installing tremulous
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16:40<Kolt>alright I added new repositories I need to reload package info after that Im gonna upgrade some things check if its working continue trying but now I need to go to sleep because Im failing an exam tomorrow
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16:40<Kolt>ty for your help anyway
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17:03<evaluate>If I only have ssh access to a remote VPS, is there any way for me to reinstall the OS on it?
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17:04<funkyHat>evaluate: potentially, but it's not for the feint of heart (and I'm not sure it's possible with every setup)
17:05<evaluate>funkyHat, could you give me a starting point please?
17:05<lindi->evaluate: might help. that's how I fsck the root filesystem interactively over network :-)
17:05<lindi->evaluate: but that's like ancient, from 2006
17:05<petemc>the install guides lists methods of installing over the top of existing operating systems
17:05<lindi->evaluate: today's initramfs technology is probably a lot easier solution for you
17:06<lindi->evaluate: just start sshd from initramfs and then write a rootfs tarball from there
17:07<funkyHat>evaluate: if you can create space for a new system without unmounting / you should be able to follow that, otherwise you'll have to do something like what lindi- suggests
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17:10<evaluate>funkyHat, would that mean I need another partition?
17:11<funkyHat>evaluate: yes
17:12<funkyHat>evaluate: why do you want to reinstall? Is it a problem that could be repaired instead?
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17:13<evaluate>Well, firstly it is running lenny, and I would preffer squeeze, and secondly it has a repository that is not a debian official one (seems to be one from the host) and I don't think I want that...
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17:15<Bushmills>evaluate: ", is there any way for me to reinstall the OS " depends on what virtualisation software is used. with some -> no.
17:15<Bushmills>openvz and vserver, for example, don't
17:15<evaluate>Or, even better, could you recommend a decently priced VPS seller that offers a bit more control over the VPS? (currently all I can do from the panel is rebooting -- I don't want anything fancy like adding domains or anything automated, I'd just like to be able to control the VPS more, like reinstalling the OS just in case...)
17:15<funkyHat>evaluate: it's entirely possible to upgrade to squeeze without doing a reinstall, and I'd be wary about removing a VPS provided extra repository, they might be using it to install some helpers that make it run as nicely as possible on their VPS platform
17:16<funkyHat>evaluate: any VPS host that uses solusvm should give you some more control than that, and some of them are very cheap
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17:17<Garp>Thanks ppl, as bernat said, mixing pkgs from multimedia seems to be sometimes problematic. I had to remove several pkgs installed with multimedia (libavcodec52 ffmpeg mainly) and reinstall the debian version. Then it worked. Thanks again.
17:17<evaluate>funkyHat, do you have experience with any that you could recommend?
17:18<funkyHat>evaluate: I currently have a VPS with
17:18<funkyHat>evaluate: not the most amazing reliability so far, but it's very cheap
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17:19<abrotman>who cares if it's available, as long as it's cheap!
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17:19<funkyHat>abrotman: ⢁)
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17:21<evaluate>funkyHat, could you be a bit more precise about reliability (sorry about being buggy)?
17:22<abrotman>dselect: hosting
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17:22<evaluate>abrotman, I've gone a bit through that list already. :-)
17:23<funkyHat>evaluate: I've had a couple of ~½ hour outages and one that was a couple of hours, in the past 3 months or so
17:23<funkyHat>That's on one of their UK hosts
17:24<evaluate>funkyHat, uhm, doesn't sound all that bad. Thanks for the tip!
17:24<funkyHat>They don't have the infrastructure to move VPSs to a new host if the host they are on is having problems, like some of the bigger VPS hosts have
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17:28<prahal>hi libglib2 (ie apt-get source libglib2.0-bin) has a wrong hash at least from french mirror . Could one test ?
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17:28<prahal>it is in experimental
17:29<abrotman>wrong hash? bad md5sum ? which architecture?
17:29<abrotman>oh .. durrr .. source package
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17:31<abrotman>prahal: there is no libglib currently in experimental ?
17:31<abrotman>judd: versions libglib2.0-bin
17:31<judd>Package libglib2.0-bin on i386 -- sid: 2.28.6-1; wheezy: 2.28.6-1; experimental: 2.28.6-2
17:31<abrotman>okay .. apparently it's lying to me
17:33<abrotman>eh .. source is glib2
17:35<abrotman>prahal: yeah, failing md5 check here also
17:35<prahal>yes weird . Thus I raise my hand (just found out as I have segfault on a line that should not at least looking at upstream code ... so I wanted to check the debian patches
17:35<abrotman>oh, no, it's not
17:35*abrotman read the wrong hash
17:36<abrotman>they all checked out for the source packages
17:36<abrotman>i used though
17:37<abrotman>prahal: but they all match from also
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17:39<prahal>what does apt uses as a reference for hashes ?
17:40<prahal>could it be that some key was upgraded on a master server but as I did not updated for two days I miss it ?
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17:42<prahal>or simply a breakag in apt from experimental thus a bugreport to fill
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17:49<newbienosound>hello to all!
17:49<newbienosound>please help me
17:49<newbienosound>i've installed squeeze on my mac mini late 2009. everything goes good, but i've no sound
17:49<newbienosound>'m changing volume in the mixer - no helps
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17:50<newbienosound>00:08.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP79 High Definition Audio (rev b1)
17:50<newbienosound> Subsystem: nVidia Corporation Device cb79
17:50<newbienosound> Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 23
17:50<newbienosound> Memory at d3480000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
17:50<newbienosound> Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2
17:50<newbienosound> Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
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17:52<newbienosound>what to od
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17:55<prahal>ok I found apt connect to (2a01:e0c:1:1598::2 and strace -s 1000 shows all MD5Sum-Hash = 0000000000000000000000000000000000
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17:57<newbienosound>tryin to reboot
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17:57<abrotman>prahal: did you read the md5sum man page?
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17:58<prahal>this server disappeared from the net and now apt-get source of glib works
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18:00<prahal>just before this server disappeared I did a wget of the file and found the md5sum matched the one on . Only weird thing is this server was sending via http wrong md5sums (ipv6 only issue it seems and transient)
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18:05<prahal>was what apt-get was reading from the net
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18:07<prahal>the ipv6 addess was resolving to this one when ping6 2a01:e0c:1:1598::2 : 2a01:e35:8a6b:8030:20f:b5ff:fe8c:1af0
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18:24<prahal>grumbl the issue remains in fact . Now I have a lot of valid md5sum, still glib2 has its md5sum at 0
18:24<prahal>the one that apt-get source read directly for the net
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18:26<prahal>though there are SHA256-Hash (but apt still fails)
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19:00<dselect>< primoturbo> how do I delete linux? < primoturbo> how do I delete debain and get something else < AciD> primoturbo > rm-rf / < primoturbo> Should I try OpenBSD? < asg> primoturbo: hahah
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19:03<ottoshmidt>dselect, you have a type in "debain"
19:03<dselect>I resemble that remark!
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19:04<ottoshmidt>dselect, don't resemble, just correct it
19:05<dselect>Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh!
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19:06<dselect>debian is, like, See
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19:06<retrospectacus>%confuse ottoshmidt
19:06<dselect>No, those is my hamster yesterday, ottoshmidt? Wellies of the People's Republic of Tibet with extra cheese.
19:07<dselect>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
19:08<ottoshmidt>dselect, ok
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19:08<dselect>Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others.
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19:09*Black_Prince wants dpkg back :(
19:09*MrFrood thinks this is bot abuse
19:09<retrospectacus>%beer Black_Prince & MrFrood
19:09*dselect deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for Black_Prince & MrFrood
19:10<Black_Prince>no, kthx
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19:16<jez>Anyone here have a Stackoverflow/StackExchange account? Even if you don't, you may be interested in signing up and joining a new Debian Q&A proposal:
19:16<jez>it will be very useful if it takes off, so follow and vote on the example questions today! ;-)
19:16<abrotman>eh .. just tell him to stop playing with the bot, not to msg it :(
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19:17<abrotman>jez: how is that useful ?
19:17<jez>because if it gets a good critical mass it will be a useful site to get informed answers
19:18<abrotman>or you could just use instead of splintering support?
19:18<themill>jez: just use "" ...
19:18<jez>i did
19:18<abrotman>then why would you propose using
19:18<jez>it's based on an old SE codebase, and it frankly looks rather rough round the edges compared to the new SEN sites
19:18<jez>also, it wont link into my other SE accounts
19:18<themill>jez: no, it's not based on stackexchange code at all.
19:18<abrotman>so f'in what .. it's the content .. not the way it looks
19:18<jez>it's not?!
19:18<jez>wow, it sure has a similar interface
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19:19<abrotman>jez: read the bottom of the page "Powered by Shapado 3.10.8 under the GNU Affero General Public License"
19:19<themill> is Free software; there's no way Debian is going to be using non-free software for a support website.
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19:19<abrotman>certainly not with a referrer ID ...
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19:20<jez>weird. so someone must have coded 'Shapado' to basically emulate StackExchange
19:20<jez>well, I find its interface inferior unfortunately
19:20<abrotman>or stackexchange stole stuff from shapado
19:20<abrotman>then don't use it ..
19:20<themill>jez: sure, it's a nice idea. Send patches to help them improve it.
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19:20<jez>abrotman: well, i'm not really using it. which is why im proposing the SEN Q&A
19:20<abrotman>or just use :)
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19:21<jez>you could send patches to help them improve it
19:21<jez>but why bother when SE have coded them for you and will host it for you?
19:21<abrotman>me? i think it's just fine
19:21<retrospectacus>people hate having to sign up to use a site btw...
19:22<jez>what's your alternative?
19:22<abrotman>jez: because SE is *non-free* software .. why would a project like debian .. devoted to F/OSS ignore a working site and switch to something else that is closed?
19:22<jez>The Debian project wouldn't, at least they wouldn't host it.
19:22<abrotman>they wouldn't use it ..
19:22<jez>The Debian project have plenty of support outlets
19:22<abrotman>they wouldn't endorse it
19:22<jez>this would be another
19:22<jez>they don't endorse anything
19:23<jez>who cares
19:23<themill>jez: exactly. who cares. We already have ask.d.n
19:23<jez>it's about users making the community
19:23<abrotman>no, those are not official .. you're welcome to use whatever you want for your support, Debian wouldn't use stackexchange
19:23<jez>what do you mean 'Debian' wouldnt
19:23<jez>what is 'Debian' in that sentence?
19:23<abrotman>we have and .. how many more do we need?
19:23<jez>this would be a replacement for ask.d.n, honestly.
19:24<abrotman>you're not very bright
19:24<themill>jez: see above about Debian endorsing non-free software...
19:24<abrotman>jez: we already said, it wouldn't be endorsed or promoted by the group, it's non-free software
19:24<jez>do the Debian group endorse
19:24<jez>and i don't believe I ever said I wanted the Debian project to 'endorse' it.
19:24<abrotman>it is maintained by a DD
19:24<abrotman>jez: then go do whatever you want, no need to hassle us
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19:24<jez>i wouldnt expect them to
19:25<stew>so instead of using which already has plenty of experts, and works perfectly fine, we move instead to something else which is riddled by ads making someone else money on their non-free software, for what gain?
19:25<abrotman>stew: because it's shiny!
19:25<jez>stew: better software, and can be linked to other SEN accounts
19:25<abrotman>raise your hand if you have a stackexchange account ...
19:25*jez raises hand ;-)_
19:25<stew>jez: should we all just switch to macos?
19:25<stew>jez: or windows or something?
19:25*abrotman waits for anyone else to raise a hand
19:25<themill>so facebook is also good because people have accounts on it too, i guess
19:25<jez>no, i use Debian personally
19:26<stew>jez: why? isn't macos better software?
19:26<themill>stew: no
19:26<jez>i'm tired of Steve's garden
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19:27<jez>anyway, if you guys don't have stackexchange accounts, why do you even know what it is?
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19:27<abrotman>i don't have have a hotmail account, i know what it is
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19:27<abrotman>i don't use fedora, i know what it is
19:28*robinetd shivers at the mention of fedora.
19:28<jez>your liss, SE and co. are useful sites
19:28<themill>jez: so is ask.d.n
19:28<jez>yeah, it's ok
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19:28*abrotman will be sad, but will continue to live
19:28<jez>but i think we could get better
19:28<stew>ask.d.n is a better place to go for actual answers from experts
19:29<themill>jez: shadapo is Free software -- suggestions for improvements (or better patches) are accepted
19:29<stew>perhaps if you are more concerned about the user interface than getting help, something else might be good
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19:30<amakusa>hello, I was playing around the themes in gnome and I don't really know what I did but the buttons in the corner of my windows have disappeared, now I can't maximize minimize or close windows with the pointer, any sugestions?
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19:31<abrotman>amakusa: tried switching to a different theme?
19:31<abrotman>and/or restarting your WM?
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19:33<amakusa>abrotman: yes I tried both things and nothing, I even restarted thinking it was some sort of bug but to no avail
19:33<funkyHat>amakusa: so you still have the title bar, just no buttons?
19:33<amakusa>funkyHat: that's right
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19:34<funkyHat>amakusa: check the value of /apps/metacity/genera/button_layout in gconf
19:34<funkyHat>Using gconf-editor or gconftool
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19:36<amakusa>funkyHat: it reads:"minimize, maximize, close"
19:37<funkyHat>amakusa: with the spaces? Pretty sure it shouldn't have spaces
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19:38<LilleCarl>amakusa, you need to add a ; to one of the sides
19:38<amakusa>funkyHat: it doesn't have any spaces, my bad there
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19:38<funkyHat>LilleCarl: it's a : and actually it doesn't seem to be necessary
19:39<filippo>my first time here
19:39<LilleCarl>funkyHat, im 100% sure its a ; and it is there to decide on wich corner the buttins shall be
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19:40<LilleCarl>amakusa, atleast try that i think it shall work
19:40<amakusa>LilleCarl: funkyHat: copy&paste :":minimize,maximize,close"
19:40<LilleCarl>amakusa, ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
19:41<LilleCarl>see the diff :;:;:;:;
19:41<amakusa>LilleCarl: so just add the ";" at the end, ok lemme try that
19:41<funkyHat>amakusa: strange, I don't see anything wrong with that. I guess it's something else
19:41<LilleCarl>Or the beginning
19:41<LilleCarl>Depends on what side the buttons shall appear at
19:41<funkyHat>Unless LilleCarl is correct, which would be odd because I just tried replacing my : with a ; and it broke stuff ;D
19:42<LilleCarl>funkyHat, hmmmrmmmhhh gimme a minute ;)
19:43<amakusa>hahaha, well I just tried both sides and it's not working so it must be something else
19:44<LilleCarl>that is the correct one
19:44<LilleCarl>im sry
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19:44<LilleCarl>try this aswell
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19:47<Black_Prince>debhelper, \o/
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19:47<LilleCarl>what was that? :S
19:47<Black_Prince>it is lagged
19:47<LilleCarl>kicked me for inserting one line :S
19:47<funkyHat>You got kicked for "flooding"
19:47<amakusa>LilleCarl: strange but the very tip of the upper right hand corner of the window disappeared when I did that
19:47<funkyHat>You did 5 in a row, though
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19:48<LilleCarl>true, but "*You have been kicked from #debian by debhelper (use or /msg dpkg paste)" hell yeah i pasted ;D
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19:49<Black_Prince>LilleCarl, it tell you it is lagged, and when it's lagged all lines came suddenly to it in one moment
19:49<LilleCarl>im going to install debian in a virtual machine right now (im on my laptop)
19:50<LilleCarl>oh i see Black_Prince thank you :)
19:51<LilleCarl>Does anyone know if there is some article about debians infrastructure? i would love to know how it really works :)
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20:00<LilleCarl>Roar! My dvd drive is working so hard sho the computer is almost flying around the table xD
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20:10<sanmarcos>How can I see which boot time services are enabled or disabled in the console in squeeze?
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20:12<bones_was_here>i would do ls /etc/rc2.d (change the number if you're not on runlevel 2) but there's probably a better way provided by a script
20:13<sanmarcos>Is there a curses interface .
20:14<bones_was_here>possibly, i'm not aware of it though
20:14<Black_Prince>judd, versions rcconf
20:14<judd>Package rcconf on i386 -- lenny: 1.21; sid: 2.5; squeeze: 2.5; wheezy: 2.5
20:14<Black_Prince>try this one
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20:25<ZykoticK9>sanmarcos, if you happen to come from a redhat/fedora background you can install chkconfig to both view and change services
20:25<sanmarcos>Ah nice
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20:49<jhutchins_lt>There are a couple of other utilities as well.
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20:50<jhutchins_lt>LilleCarl: The basic infrastructure is pretty much the same as any linux distribution.
20:51<LilleCarl>jhutchins_lt, well i dont know how the infrastructure of a distro works :P
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20:58<stunkie>connect #backtrack
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20:59<ZykoticK9>stunkie, you are probably looking for #backtrack-linux on freenode
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21:07<abrotman>stunkie: /connect .. after it connects, /join #backtrack-linux
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21:41<roberts>更换介质:请将标签为“Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.1a _Squeeze_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20110322-16:05”的磁盘插入驱动器“/media/cdrom/”并按回车[Enter]
21:41<roberts>who know why?
21:41<robinetd>Dunno, can't read that language.
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21:42<bluenemo>when i set up a passwordless (with key file on a usb stick) system with cryptsetup, do i have to leave the usb stick in place all the time or can i unplug it after the disks are open?
21:42<roberts> aptitude install ltsp-client
21:43<roberts>aptitude install ltsp need the CD
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21:49<sney>roberts: your /etc/apt/sources.list (text file) still has an entry for the cdrom
21:49<sney>roberts: you can delete that line or put # before it
21:50<sney>roberts: make sure that file also has a main mirror entry:
21:50<sney>%squeeze sources.list
21:50<dselect>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb squeeze main" and "deb squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
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21:53<roberts>ok! thanks sney
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22:07<s3a>Why can't I use an image I put in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/ ? I tried the pidgin.png image which works but there is another image I downloaded as a jpeg and used gimp to convert to a png. When I choose it, it automatically goes to an "unknown image look" (I'm using GNOME/squeeze/stable).
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22:07<s3a>By the way, I'm trying to use an image for a launcher on the GNOME panel.
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22:11<sney>s3a: is it 48x48?
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22:14<jeremy-77>can I install my bcm4318 wifi card in terminal ?
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22:21<dselect>b43 is a driver for Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. #bcm-users on
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22:25<dselect>b43 is a driver for Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. #bcm-users on
22:25<abrotman>oh .. duh, misread
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22:25<s4a>sney, yes it is
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22:34<jeremy-77>mine is bcm4318. I dont see it in there
22:34<jeremy-77>and no luck getting it working yet
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22:42<roberts_>update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd64
22:42<roberts_>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3
22:42<roberts_>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso.bin for module tg3
22:42<roberts_>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3.bin for module tg3
22:42<roberts_>here error:
22:42<roberts_> /var/cache/apt/archives/ltsp-client-core_5.2.4-2_amd64.deb
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23:06<mmendes>is working?
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23:56<nyov>dpkg, welcome back
23:56<dpkg>it's good to be home :)
23:56<dpkg>Test failed.
23:56<sney>all systems go
23:57<bones_was_here>essential functions:
23:57<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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23:59<ayaka>dpkg is a bot, isn't it?
23:59<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, ayaka
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