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---Logopened Wed Jul 06 00:00:38 2011
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00:03<sean>I'm having a problem with grub, it used to work but now its failing, I can't boot my windows partition, my keyboard is like totally ignored, it always defaults to the first choice, and I need to use photoshop on my windows side.
00:04<sean>its been so long since I needed to get into windows, but I know originally I used to switch back n forth to play certain games as well, it used to work.. here recently i needed to boot windows but grub ignores my keyboard.
00:05<xovan>does holding the shift button at boot help?
00:05<Granted>?
00:05<Granted>helps
00:05<sean>I can try, brb...
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00:06<xovan>How's the battle?
00:06<Granted>no
00:06<xovan>its an expression for how are you doing.
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00:07<sean>nope
00:07<sean>shift didnt' work
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00:08<Talon_>any other ideas?
00:08<Granted>1'm trying to register
00:08<Granted>noob :S
00:09<xovan>Talon_, you could try using a live cd to reinstall grub.
00:09<Talon_>what about a command line update?
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00:10<xovan>http://tinyurl.com/656oqb3
00:10<xovan>sure that would work too.
00:11<xovan>using the live cd thing though would be good for you should your mbr have a problem
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00:12<Talon_>but it boots fine, its just not recognizing my keyboard to switch between choices in the boot menu, it times out on my 1st choice and just boots linux
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00:14<xovan>does the keyboard get recognized by your bios settings? As in hitting Del at boot brings up the settings menu?
00:14<fireman112>how2 change disk from JFS to EXT$? i mean without format!
00:14<fireman112>anyone know?
00:14<Talon_>yes
00:14<Talon_>bios works fine
00:15<xovan>try a different keyboard?
00:15<Talon_>don't have any
00:15<fireman112>my jfs partion is 500G,i really do now want2 format
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00:16<xovan>Talon_, does your bios have a "USB Legacy Keyboard" option? Does changing it help?
00:17<Talon_>its on, if i turn it off, my keyboard doesnt work bios, i'd haveto go borrow a keyboard again.
00:17<Talon_>brb again, I tried a sudo update-grub2
00:17<xovan>k
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00:20<jaminwicha>i'm looking for a good walkthru on setting up kvm guests
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00:21<anirban>fireman112, is there any adventage ext4 over jfs
00:21<anirban>i will cover to bartfs if i can :D
00:21<anirban>btrfs *
00:23<sney>fireman112: you can't.
00:23<sney>fireman112: jfs is great anyway. the only thing it's missing is windows readability and resize support
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01:08<tam_>Anyone from UK?
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01:09<jm_>pudding eaters are
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01:33<fireman112>sney Than you
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01:40<ayaka>Framebuffer are't open in defualt ,are it?
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02:04<lindi->ayaka: ?
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02:05<ayaka>lindi-, Framebuffer, I don't see dev/fb
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02:08<anirban>ayaka, why you need fb
02:08<anirban>i am not using fbdev
02:08<ayaka>anirban, fbterm, I need show chinese without X
02:09<anirban>ya fbterm need fbdev
02:09<anirban>did you have installed xserver-xrog-video-fbdev
02:10<ayaka>anirban, no
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02:11<ayaka>anirban, no such package
02:11<anirban>xserver-xorg-video-fbdev
02:12<ayaka>xserver-xorg-video-fbdev
02:12<anirban>:D i typed xrog thats why
02:12<ayaka>done before
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02:13<anirban>ayaka, then mite you dont have permission to run frembuffer
02:13<anirban>ayaka, i think as root fbterm will run fine
02:13<ayaka>anirban, but I should have /dev/fb
02:14<ayaka>anirban, but it should have /dev/fb
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02:14<ayaka>it doesn't
02:14<Bushmills>ayaka: rxvt-unicode should show chines chars too
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02:14<Bushmills>though whether apps running from it do is a different matter
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02:16<ayaka>Bucciarati, can't open display 0 it need X?
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02:18<Bushmills>oh. right. /me needs coffee
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02:18<Bushmills>of course that's an X client, sorry.
02:18<ayaka>Bucciarati, th the same
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02:25<dattebayo>how can i remove repo from terminal?
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02:25<lindi->ayaka: why do you want to do this without X?
02:25<anirban>how can i check supported file system
02:25<kiran>hi i need to know how can i make cover switch in ubuntu. i have acer aspire 5570z
02:25<anirban>i want to convert home to btrfs
02:26<ayaka>lindi-, I only want to show chinese, X is too big
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02:26<lindi->ayaka: too big?
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02:26<jimmy>hello
02:26<jimmy>my name is jimmy
02:27<ayaka>lindi-, in a server I don't want to install a X on it
02:27<anirban>and?
02:27<lindi->ayaka: your server has a monitor?
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02:27<ayaka>lindi-, yes, I don't use ssh
02:27<kiran>hi i need to know how can i make cover switch in ubuntu. i have acer aspire 5570z
02:28<Bushmills>dattebayo: you edit the sources file in /etc/apt
02:28<anirban>kiran, join irc://irc.freenode.net/#ubuntu
02:28<ayaka>!ubuntu
02:28<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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02:28<dattebayo>source.list sources.list sources.list.d/ sources.list.save which one?
02:28<lindi->ayaka: ok
02:28<anirban>kiran, right click on that link and select connect
02:29<Bushmills>kiran: how could debian be of help concerning ubuntu questions?
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02:29<lindi->ayaka: for stability reasons that might make sense but "X is too big" is kind of odd :)
02:29<kiran>ok sorry i am new to this linux os
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02:30<lindi->ayaka: have you at least tested X on the hardware?
02:30<ayaka>lindi-, X much than 200M
02:30<Bushmills>ayaka: you could ssh to server, and run X on the local machine
02:30<lindi->ayaka: are you talking about hard disk space now?
02:30<Bushmills>that way, server can run X clients, without needing an X server
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02:31<lindi->Bushmills: well he doesn't want to use ssh and I can understand that
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02:31<Bushmills>ah. must have missed a part of the discussion
02:31<ayaka>lindi-, no,I just need fbterm
02:32<invisiblehero>I can't open a port using IPTABLES. the firewall isn't blocking it that I know of. iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 8088 -j ACCEPT is what I'm using
02:32<lindi->ayaka: right. even my openmoko with 128 MB of RAM runs normal Xorg
02:32<Bushmills>invisiblehero: what makes you think that the port isn't open?
02:33<invisiblehero>try and connect to it
02:33<invisiblehero>port 8088
02:33<lindi->ayaka: what graphics card do you have?
02:33<Bushmills>there may be other reasons than firewall that you're not able to
02:33<ayaka>lindi-, 7100GS nvidia it very slow
02:33<invisiblehero>nc -v 76.10.169.88 8088
02:33<invisiblehero>doesn't do it
02:34<Bushmills>there may be other reasons than firewall that you're not able to
02:34<jm_>ayaka: slow for what?
02:34<lindi->ayaka: have you tried vesafb?
02:34<ayaka>jm_, once I open a windows it take me 10s
02:35<ayaka>lindi-, I try fbterm --vesa-mode but it said wrong argument
02:35<lindi->ayaka: I have no experience on fbterm
02:35<ayaka>lindi-, I try fbterm --vesa-mode-list but it said wrong argument
02:35<jm_>ayaka: in X? what are hardware specs of this system? for FB you need vesafb
02:35<lindi->ayaka: but I have used vesafb
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02:36<Bushmills>it says "--vesa-mod requires an argument"
02:36<Bushmills>mode
02:36<ayaka>lindi-, how to know whether it support vesafb
02:36<invisiblehero>here's the proof that it goes through the router
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02:36<invisiblehero>Date and Time Severity Details
02:36<invisiblehero>2011-07-06T02:36:20-04:00 info src=8.23.224.110 dst=192.168.1.66 ipprot=6 sport=17665 dport=8088 Session Matches User Pinhole, Packet Passed
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02:37<Bushmills> --vesa-mode=num # specify VESA video mode
02:37<ayaka>lindi-, how to install vesafb?
02:37<invisiblehero>but it's the OS that doesn't allow the packet to go through
02:37<jm_>nvidia cards work fine with vesafb driver
02:37<Bushmills>it seems to support vesa, or the syntax error message would be unlikely
02:37<ayaka>Bucciarati, yes but 0 type --vesa-mode=list it show wrong argument
02:38<Bushmills>try a valid vesa mode
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02:38<ayaka>jm_, ok,but which program support it
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02:39<lindi->Bushmills: do you know why fbterm needs to know about the driver? shouldn't fb abstract it?
02:39<Bushmills>try 257 to begin with
02:40<Bushmills>lindi-: no, no idea. i'd guess that it can obtain required parameters, like fb resolution, from the driver
02:40<Bushmills>it *could*
02:40<ayaka>I have to go thank all
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02:42<lindi->Bushmills: seems my nvidia works with nouveaufb 'by default' and just running 'fbterm' works
02:42<lindi->Bushmills: even in stable
02:42<Bushmills>so does my intel n10 based netbook
02:43<Bushmills>i thought that was related to kernel video switching during boot
02:44<Bushmills>chances are that the proprietary drivers don't support kernel video switching
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02:44<ubuleo>ciao
02:44<ubuleo>!list
02:44<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
02:45<Ruusento>LOL!
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02:45<invisiblehero>Hmm... don't think I'll be finding information here sadly
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02:47<jm_>yup, that was the case with rivafb in the past too - don't use it together with nvidia binary only driver
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02:49<Zaba>heh, proprietary graphics drivers and fb drivers generally don't mix---some versions of fglrx screwed up even vesafb
02:50<Zaba>although I've had no issues with efifb + fglrx
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02:57<lindi->btw, I'm still looking for a way to tile windows in gnome :-)
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02:58<Bushmills>lindi-: a tiling wm instead of metacity should do
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02:59<lindi->Bushmills: maybe. I'd like to stay close to the "normal gnome" as possible to be able to report bugs and help others. I've got a long past of using only screen and terminal apps
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03:00<lindi->Bushmills: this x-tile seems to work with gnome but it's not packaged
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03:01<Bushmills>consider that bug reports related to using a different window manager with gnome may be helpful, as that condition is less well tested than gnome with metacity
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03:03<Bushmills>i was running fluxbox a while ago with gnome, mainly for its tabbed windows, but there were some things running not as well as with metacity.
03:03<lindi->Bushmills: sure but I want well tested desktop here. I'm engaging in a lot of other activities where I expose myself to less well tested stuff :)
03:04<lindi->Bushmills: currently: openmoko, kfreebsd, xpra, qubes
03:05<jm_>how good is xpra?
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03:08<chealer>jm_: someone was calling it buggy a couple of days ago. I installed it but it couldn't save me, you have to use it before running the program you want to control
03:08<jm_>chealer: heh like with xnest/xmove in the past
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03:09<lindi->jm_: promising
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03:09<lindi->chealer: I'm calling it buggy still
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03:12<lindi->It's interesting how gnome has these features that almost nobody knows about. For example in gnome-terminal you can copy rectangular areas if you hold ctrl while selecting text
03:13<lindi->also if you ctrl-click otp-md5 374 sa1665 ext, Response: you get a popup for calculating the response to the challenge
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03:15<lindi->and ctrl-shift-up scrolls one line up
03:15<chealer>jm_: no idea about those
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03:16<chealer>oh yes, it was lindi- calling it buggy
03:18<lindi->but at least when xpra crashes your clients will survive
03:18<lindi->unlike with vnc4server
03:18<lindi->and you can also upgrade to newer version without killing them
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03:24<mercutio22>hi. I just learned that ubuntu has this software which I need to use in debian but it is not in our repository yet: http://ugene.unipro.ru/. How could I make a request for having this added?
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03:25<cthuluh>dpkg: tell mercutio22 -about rfp
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03:25<cthuluh>mercutio22: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623731
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03:27<mercutio22>cthuluh: cool! It was already asked for
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03:28<mercutio22>This looks amazing
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04:34<esam>hi
04:35<esam>any one known about inorganic chemistry
04:36<esam>none
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04:37<pavi>I need to open up all the ports on my debian squeeze box , it has selinux on it .
04:37<pavi>should I uninstall selinux ?
04:37<petemc>selinux isnt a firewall
04:37*daemonkeeper wonders if esam saw the channel name
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04:45<pavi>petemc, selinux enforcing mode kind of likes to block everything . I changed it to disabled and was facing issues
04:45<pavi>That machine was a remote one and after changing selinux mode I couldn't ssh into it
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04:46<daemonkeeper>Let me repeat what petemc said: Selinux isn't a firewall.
04:46<daemonkeeper>Its a MAC system.
04:46<daemonkeeper>If you couldn't login through SSH, chances are your policy was broken.
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04:47<pavi>daemonkeeper, exactly policy was broken
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04:49<pavi>so daemonkeeper what do I do to do things safely
04:50<daemonkeeper>Well, find out what's broken with your policy. Probably ssh is not allowed to touch certain files or so.
04:51<pavi>ohh ok .
04:51<pavi>there were something like m: cannot remove `/etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key': Read-only file system
04:53<daemonkeeper>I don't know why you would remove the host key at all, but there you go.
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04:55<linye>which adb
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05:19<gob_bluth>hey, for lenny ( i know i need to upgrade, but that's not possible atm) is it possible to run it as a xen system that can run both PV and HVM guests at the same time ?
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05:40<gnugr>gob_bluth: read this, it will help you " http://wiki.debian.org/Xen "
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05:51<daemonkeeper>gob_bluth: You certainly can
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05:56<roberto>hi
05:56<tedd>hi
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05:56<roberto>im trying to install debian on an embedded pc and im having trouble
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05:58<roberto>someone knows how to install debian from a usb stick?
05:59<petemc>!usb install
05:59<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
06:00<tedd>and http://live.debian.net/
06:00<daemonkeeper>roberto: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
06:00<daemonkeeper>Oh, sorry, petemc was faster
06:01<roberto>i can get my usb stick to boot but i can get through with the instalation
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06:02<roberto>i tried with the normal cd image but the computer ran out of memory while loading it
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06:03<gob_bluth>ah yes! thanks i just tried it out
06:03<roberto>the netinst won't boot and the mini image stop loading and show color rectangles in the screen
06:03<gob_bluth>saved me from throwing my fucking boss out the window
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06:08<sml>hi. got a question concerning non-latent links and VPN technologies (OpenVPN, IPSEC). Is it "normal" to lose half your bandwidth by utilising a VPN?
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06:08<sml>The link in question is a public link but with 100Mb/s
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06:12<daemonkeeper>sml: There is certainly room for improvement as most VPN approaches are somehow an overlay on top of regular IP traffic.
06:13<daemonkeeper>The impact however mainly depends on your setup.
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06:19<roberto_>someone know what does little color squares mean during debian instalation?
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06:20<Guest1120>hello
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06:21<jm_>roberto_: which image are you using? does the same happen with text based installer?
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06:24<roberto_>im using the text based installer
06:24<roberto_>i have tried with the net installer and the small cd images
06:24<jm_>then try various troubleshooting options mentioned on one of the boot screens
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06:25<roberto_>ok, thanks
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06:32<sml>daemonkeeper: Could you be more specific?
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06:39<daemonkeeper>sml: You didn't say which VPN you are using?
06:40<dattebayo>anybody use wine here?
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06:40<daemonkeeper>!anyone
06:40<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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07:05<{James}>Hi, I don't know if this is the correct place to ask for help but how do I pre-compile software and upload it to a VPS? I don't have sufficient ram to run make...
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07:07<acer>df
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07:08<daemonkeeper>{James}: You can compile on a local system of your choice. For best results use the same operating system.
07:09<daemonkeeper>Or distribution even.
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07:12<{James}>daemonkeeper: I get a GLIC error when I attempt to run make install on the vps (simply ./configure and make on my computer and then upload)
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07:12<{James}>Actually when i run the software I get the error
07:12<daemonkeeper>You get what?
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07:13<{James}>I'll run it again, sec
07:13<ZoOl>Hi, WIFI question : how come I always need to supply the root password if I connect to to hidden ssid? I'd like it to connect automatically. Default debian 6 install on laptop
07:14<lindi->ZoOl: can you connect to a non-hidden ssid without that?
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07:16<ZoOl>lindi : Just tested it on an open network and yes - I can connect without supplying my root pass
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07:17<lindi->ZoOl: ok, that sounds like some sort of feature then
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07:17<LL>Hello everyone.
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07:18<lindi->ZoOl: possibly https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=448437 is this?
07:18<LL>...
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07:20<hz1>hi. is there any documentation for getting a bluetooth microphone to work in squeeze? nothing i've tried has worked, but the output part of the headset works fine
07:21<hz1>i'm in asoundrc hell right now
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07:24<devil>hz1: the documentation of bluetooth seems to be in the same state as bluetooth itself
07:25<devil>there is a few debian wiki that are not really helpful
07:25<lindi->hz1: you might have a lot more luck by using the GUI
07:25<lindi->hz1: command line users have not really been active in writing documentation or tools to do it
07:26<lindi->hz1: there are some compatibility wrappers for bluez3 stuff that still might work with bluez4 but it's not the future :)
07:26<devil>hz1: there is http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothAlsa, but not sure it helps, as i use bluertooth very sparsely and never did for a mic
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07:27<ZoOl>lindi : that seems to be it yes. I come from an ubuntu install on the same machine and it worked. Hmm... I'll have al look at it - thank you
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07:29<tedd>how can i put iceweasel by defaut for local files ? i don't want to use epiphany for local.
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07:29<lindi->devil: hz1: that page clearly admits that bluetooth-alsa is deprecated indeed
07:30<devil>yes
07:30<hz1>yeah, i looked at the wiki links, mostly outdated unfortunately
07:30<hz1>the biggest comedy is that the entire bluez wiki disappeared more than a year ago and now there's apparently NO documentation for it anywhere
07:31<hz1>anyway, i muddled through far enough to get the output part of the headset working. it was quite painful but it does work
07:31<hz1>but no luck at all with the mic
07:31<hz1>i have a feeling this might just be a bluez bug :/
07:31<lindi->hz1: your bluetooth dongle might also be buggy
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07:32<lindi->hz1: is it A2DP headset?
07:32<hz1>bluetooth integrated in the laptop
07:32<hz1>yes
07:34<Zaba>I've also ran into the issue of bluez having no docs whatsoever
07:34<Zaba>fortunately, all I needed was obex and that was pretty easy to figure out by guesswork
07:34<hz1>arecord -D <bt device> test.wav just produces zero-length recording
07:34<{James}>How do I fix this: ./sbnc: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.8' not found (required by ./sbnc) ./sbnc: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.11' not found (required by ./sbnc)
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07:35<hz1>Zaba: it's pretty amazing that a package with so many utilities and non-obvious configuration settings has no docs
07:36<Zaba>yup
07:36<hz1>i suppose only the bluez developers can use it effectively
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07:37<jm_>{James}: build it on an older release
07:37<hz1>do any of you guys have a bt mic working and can show me your config and/or sample arecord commandline?
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07:41<hz1>..well, maybe it's time to move to wheezy :D
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07:44<lindi->hz1: well you should use the GUI :)
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07:44<lindi->hz1: and also note that bluetooth-alsa is deprecated
07:45<hz1>i'm not using bluetooth-alsa
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07:45<hz1>it doesn't even exist in squeeze afaict
07:45<hz1>and i'm not convinced using a gui will help since this looks like a low-level problem
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07:46<hz1>and i definitely don't want to install 900mb of gnome junk just to get the mic working
07:46<bernat>hz1: are you using pulseaudio?
07:46<hz1>no
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07:46<lindi->hz1: then you are using alsa?
07:46<hz1>yes
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07:47<hz1>i have an asoundrc that works fine for bluetooth output, just not input
07:47<bernat>it might be an alsa configuration problem
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07:47<hz1>that is entirely possible
07:47<Guest1140>hi
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07:47<lindi->hz1: I understood that with pulseaudio you wouldn't use alsa with bluetooth audio
07:47<hz1>if you have any suggestions on how to configure alsa for bluetooth capture, i'd love to hear them
07:47<Guest1140>i new
07:48<hz1>nothing i've found so far suggests that any separate capture configuration is needed, but who knows
07:48<daemonkeeper>{James}: As I said you before, you need a matching libc. I presume you are compiling on newer system than your server runs.
07:48<{James}>how do i downgrade to previous version of a package?
07:48<bernat>hz1: I don't, I have used with pulseaudio that I guess makes it easier not having to deal with the low level staff
07:48<lindi->hz1: so if I were you I'd download a live system with all the gnome stuff and test if it works with pulseaudio there
07:48<daemonkeeper>You can't downgrade your libc.
07:48<daemonkeeper>Or better: You really don't want.
07:48<{James}>so what do you propose?
07:48<jm_>{James}: don't - install older release in chroot if you really need it
07:49<daemonkeeper>What jm_ said. Get $your_release in a chroot and build there.
07:49<Guest1140>helloo
07:49<daemonkeeper>{James}: Use debootstrap to install $your_release, chroot into it, re-compile.
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07:50<hz1>on another subject, how is wheezy for general use these days?
07:50<Zaba>wheezy works fine for me on a netbook
07:50<hz1>i usually run testing but wanted to wait a while after the squeeze release
07:50<bernat>hz1: a bit funny :)
07:50<hz1>to let things settle a bit
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07:51<hz1>bernat: funny as in amusing, or funny as in "OH MY GOD MY BOOTLOADER OVERWROTE /HOME"
07:51<babilen>hz1: There were some problems with the nvidia drivers and a few other things in the last months, but it is more or less OK. You'll have to pull from sid once in a while though. I would also recommend to read the sid FAQ linked in the /topic of #debian-next
07:52<lindi->I use unstable on my openmoko and I constantly hit irritiating bugs :)
07:52<hz1>babilen: k. i'm familiar with sid
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07:54<hz1>it looks like the bluez versions in squeeze vs wheezy are pretty different
07:54<hz1>so maybe that will help
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07:56<babilen>hz1: And yeah, there were quite some unpleasant bugs in the last weeks. The multiarch transition caused some havoc -- See #629534 or #627446 for a glimpse ...
07:56<babilen>(udev too, and Perl, and ...)
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08:01<devil>libc-multiarch-transition will add to that
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08:08<ZoOl>lindi : just found out that if you clear the available to all users checkmark in NetworkManager I can edit the connection without it asking me for a root pass... it's probably that... not home now - I'll test it this evening
08:09<{James}>daemonkeeper: installed version using debootstrap now do i just cd to the directory and configure it there?
08:09<daemonkeeper>No, you chroot in there.
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08:09<jm_>{James}: schroot is useful for that, but in generla chroot command is OK too
08:09<daemonkeeper>That's a a command.
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08:11<{James}>then install...?
08:11<daemonkeeper>Then do whatever you want, e.g. copy your program in, do ./configure, ...
08:12<daemonkeeper>Actually you have to copy your program before chrooting.
08:12<daemonkeeper>Note you may need to install several packages.
08:12<daemonkeeper>At least build-essentials
08:12<{James}>ok thanks
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08:27<james4cc>i'm having a hard time building a 2.6.32 openvz kernel.. according to http://wiki.debian.org/OpenVz the patches should be included, however there ist no openvz option in make menuconfig.. did i miss some sort of magic switch ?
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08:31<ryanakca>Could someone point me to a shared library that conflicts with a previous ABI version (ex, libfoo3 conflicts with libfoo2)?
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08:34<abrotman>ryanakca: grep Conflicts /var/lib/dpkg/available ?
08:34<ross232>Has anyone had any experience in getting lirc to work with an mce remote on the 2.6.38 kernel in backports?
08:34<abrotman>ryanakca: not sure if that's what youre looking for
08:34<ross232>I know 2.6.35+ have lirc modules in the kernel and my remote is detected- but only a few buttons work
08:35<artur>hello guys
08:35<artur>can i ask something?
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08:35<ryanakca>abrotman: Not really, that just gives me a list of all the packages that are conflicted with, not the packages that do the actual conflicting and those that are conflicted with.
08:35<ryanakca>artur: Just ask :)
08:35<abrotman>ryanakca: you can use grep-dctrl
08:35<abrotman>i think
08:36<artur>how can i enter a channel?
08:36<abrotman>artur: /join #foochannel
08:36<artur>thanks
08:37<artur>how can i change my nickname?
08:37<koollman> /nick yournewnickname
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08:37<gob_bluth>so i'm running Ubuntu 11 server under Debian 5 / Xen (HVM), and everything goes well until i use dd to create a 2gig disk with random data, it starts throwing errors in the console about IO
08:38<rpetre>gob_bluth: what filesystem you create the file on?
08:38<gob_bluth>the dom0 is fine, no problems, and it's a dell poweredge with 6 disks in a raid
08:38<ade>the channel i choosed to enter has no people
08:38<bernat>!tell ade about irc tutorial
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08:38<gob_bluth>rpetre: it's an lvm disk, i think the ubuntu server selected ext4 - but i'm also getting really slow perf. out of the disks, like 600kb/sec
08:38<rpetre>ade: you're sure you're on the right IRC network?
08:38<ade>no
08:39<abrotman>gob_bluth: is the error under ubunut or Debian?
08:39<gob_bluth>abrotman: ubuntu
08:39<rpetre>that might be it, this is OFTC, you probably want Freenode or something else
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08:39<abrotman>gob_bluth: i'd think you'd want to ask the ubuntu people? .. if you run another guest OS, do you get the same problem ?
08:40<ade>i want to enter this /server dissonance.nl.eu.synirc.net
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08:40<abrotman>ade: so type "/server dissonance.nl.eu.synirc.net" in your IRC client
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08:41<gob_bluth>abrotman: i could, but i'm really thinking i's a config issue with debian/xen/hvm - there's a whole bunch of PV domUs that are going along fine ...
08:41<ade>i just tried here
08:42<ade>but it says : no protocol manager found
08:42<abrotman>gob_bluth: i'm asking you to test it with another guest .. to verify that it's not just that guest ...
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08:42<gob_bluth>abrotman: yeah i might have to do that (deadline so i don't have a lot of time)
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08:42<gob_bluth>is this normal though: ps faux on the dom0
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08:43<gob_bluth>http://pastebin.com/24u6aJs4
08:43<{James}>daemonkeeper thank you :)
08:43<{James}>got there eventually ;)
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08:44<{James}>painful but worked
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08:57<thehyd>hello
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08:58<thehyd>pls help me!
08:58<devil>thehyd: please just ask
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08:59<thehyd>i don't can boot to win 7 :((
08:59<devil>thehyd: that is not nice, but the wrong question for a debian channel most probably
09:00<devil>unless its a grub problem
09:00<thehyd>i don't see menu boot
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09:01<devil>what debian version?
09:01<thehyd>i setup win 7 befo
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09:01<thehyd>version 11.04
09:01<devil>there is no debian 11.04
09:01<devil>is it debian squeeze?
09:02<devil>that would be debian 6
09:02<devil>are you using ubuntu?
09:02<thehyd>yes
09:02<devil>then this is the wrong channel, ubuntu is not debian
09:02<devil>!ubuntuirc
09:02<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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09:33<jason_>hello channel
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09:33<jasonsmr>hello again channel
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09:39<devil>james4cc: please just ask your question
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09:41<abrotman>devil: gone
09:41<james4cc>?!
09:42<devil>abrotman: i'd rather talk to someone gone than turn on alle the I/O traffic
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09:42<devil>james4cc: sorry, mistabbed
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09:43<abrotman>heh
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10:04<e-ndy>hi all, tasksel installed for desktop environment in sid only 292 packages on armhf platform, while in squeeze it installed 1000+
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10:13<SynrG>e-ndy: for sid support, see #debian-next and in any case, not terribly surprising
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10:14<e-ndy>SynrG, thanks
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10:23<Sk1talec>Çäðàâñòâóéòå, ìîæåò êòî ïîìî÷ü ïàðîé ñîâåòîâ?
10:23<devil>Sk1talec: english please
10:23<Sk1talec>ok
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10:25<Sk1talec>can anyone help with debian installation?
10:25<devil>!ask
10:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
10:26<Sk1talec>thx))
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10:31<Sk1talec>I installed debian from my usb-flash. During the installation process i didn`t setup an internet connection. How can i do it after installation? And how can i edit some files?
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10:32<Ruusento>Sk1talec, you can install Ceni/wicd or some other network manager to ease you on the configuration
10:32<Ruusento>or a plain ol' nano /etc/network/interfaces
10:32<Ruusento>(obviously as root)
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10:33<Ruusento>and you can setup your connection. Is it wireless or ethernet?
10:33<Sk1talec>wireless
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10:33<Ruusento>do you know the model of the WiFi card?
10:33<Ruusento>and, even better, the chip it mounts?
10:34<Sk1talec>but i cant understand how can i edit files? Vim isnt exist.
10:34<Sk1talec>Sorry for my english :(
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10:34<Ruusento>there should be nano installed
10:34<Sk1talec>yes
10:36<Ruusento>Sk1talec, don't worry about your english, I also don't speak english as my mother tongue :P
10:36<Sk1talec>but i need an redactor to configure my network and i need network to install my text redactor? Do i understand correctly?
10:36<Sk1talec>ok =)
10:36<Ruusento>in any case, nano is a CLI text editor
10:37<Ruusento>and it's usually installed by default
10:37<stew>Sk1talec: if not "vim", is "vi" installed?
10:37<Sk1talec>thanks
10:37<Sk1talec>vi is installed
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10:42<SynrG>Sk1talec: btw, 'redactor' is not the right word. use 'editor'
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10:50<Sk1talec>SynrG thx
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10:52<tagny>on crunchbang, my cpu burn a lot. Please help
10:52<SynrG>!crunchbang
10:52<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
10:52<sney>!otherchannel tagny #crunchbang irc.freenode.net
10:52<dpkg>tagny: The channel you are looking for is #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #crunchbang. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.freenode.net/#crunchbang
10:53<SynrG>sney: ah. nicer
10:53<sney>I think babilen is responsible for that one
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10:54<SynrG>kudos to babilen-or-whoever-wrote-it then :)
10:54<tagny>tank u!
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10:55<luc>new to linux any body know how to set up a security camera using a pci card
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10:55<sney>luc: zoneminder?
10:55<tagny>my computer snore a lot
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10:56<ceipha>Why, actually, downloading list of changes always fails when updating Debian Squeeze using Update Manager? I experience it on my both machines.
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10:57<sney>!bat
10:57<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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10:59<xovan>luc, did you try reading up on zoneminder? http://www.zoneminder.com/
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11:00<luc>no not yet
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11:00<tagny>ZoneMinder is a free video camera security application suite
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11:01<ceipha>sney, I used the GUI, Update manager. Where do I get the complete output of its run?
11:02<luc>is it in the software center
11:02<cahoot>luc, if not look for motion
11:04<xovan>yes
11:04<luc>only 8 matches up up for motion and none are any thing call ed motion
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11:04<tagny>luc : here is the documentation of zoneMinder : http://www.m-ryser.ch/zmdoc.pdf
11:04<ceipha>I wander, when installing security updates using gnome-update-manager, are the list of changes provided at all?
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11:04<xovan>version 1.24.2-8
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11:06<tagny>can anybody tell me who is the moderator of this chat?
11:06<abrotman>lots of people, why?
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11:06<abrotman>tagny: ?
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11:07<tagny>I think they are doing a good job! thanks a lot1
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11:08<tagny>Ubuntu 11.04 seems to me unstable, what do you think
11:08*abrotman thought he meant chanops ...
11:09<abrotman>tagny: you would ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
11:09<tagny>what is debian last version?
11:09-!-safinaskar [~quassel@178.205.34.193] has joined #debian
11:09*__Alex_ thinks Ubuntu sucks ballz, and all ways did.
11:09<xovan>last version in reference to what?
11:09<xovan>stable?
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11:10<tagny>yes
11:10<abrotman>!squeeze
11:10<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.2>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
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11:11<safinaskar>how to install woody?
11:11<abrotman>really?
11:11<xovan>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Releases
11:11<__Alex_>Simple
11:11<safinaskar>abrotman: yes
11:11<tagny>First what is woody?
11:12<abrotman>tagny: do you have a debian related question ?
11:12<__Alex_>a Old debian Release
11:12<safinaskar>tagny: it is some old release of debian
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11:12<jhutchins>tagny: About three releases back.
11:12<__Alex_>tagny: You wanna install Debian or wut?
11:12<safinaskar>__Alex_: _I_ want install woody
11:12<tagny>is it not more fun to install a later release?
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11:13<abrotman>safinaskar: you realize it's completely unsupported, right?
11:13<abrotman>safinaskar: you want CDs or floppies?
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11:13<safinaskar>abrotman_: CD
11:14<safinaskar>abrotman_: I don't need really write CD. I just want CD image. and then i could connect it to qemu
11:14<tagny>yes I wanna install Debian, but I wnat somebody to tell me the best stable release1
11:15<abrotman_>tagny: we already told you .. squeeze
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11:15<safinaskar>tagny: stable is squeeze
11:15<abrotman>safinaskar: the bot gave you a link to the ISOs
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11:15<tagny>excuse me!
11:15<bernat>!debian
11:15<dpkg>debian is probably http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
11:15<tagny>where can I get a copy?
11:16<tagny>tank u
11:16<safinaskar>tagny: ftp://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-CD-1.iso
11:16<tedd>Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (a.k.a. woody) was released on 19th of July, 2002
11:16<__Alex_>tagny: Squeeze for servers, Wheezy for Desktops, Sid for people who love Broken Dependencies
11:16<safinaskar>tagny: just download and boot
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11:16<abrotman>__Alex_: no, don't say that
11:16<__Alex_>XD
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11:16<abrotman>__Alex_: that is not true, and don't repeat taht again
11:16<__Alex_>ok
11:16<abrotman>right now testing is a minefield ..
11:16-!-tudon [~quassel@s529c8e76.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #debian
11:17<__Alex_>I luv testing!
11:17<ompaul>__Alex_: that is not the mantra - someone who doesn't have a good handle on debian should not be anywhere near testing (wheezy)
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11:17<tagny>I need a squeed with a desktop manager installed
11:18<safinaskar>abrotman: The requested URL /cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/ was not found on this server.
11:18<sney>so download the link safinaskar gave you
11:18<ompaul>__Alex_: I love broken deps but you don't see me telling people to run it here, when they have the skill level to run a system they may be very happy with stuff that just works
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11:18<safinaskar>tagny: my link includes desktop manager
11:18<safinaskar>tagny: but you need check checkbox to get desktop manager
11:19<sney>it'll probably be another 6 months at least before wheezy is predictable enough for normal users who don't need ultra stability. Too many transitions going on still.
11:19<bernat>tagny: debian.org has everything you need, docs and downloads
11:19<__Alex_>safinaskar: You're giving him Woody?
11:20<abrotman>safinaskar: let me correct it
11:20<sney>__Alex_: no, he linked squeeze 6.0.2...
11:20<__Alex_>Aha
11:20<abrotman>safinaskar: try the new URL
11:21<luc>looked up zoneminder and i dont know how to change the language on it to english
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11:21<sney>zoneminder is english by default
11:22<sney>must be a setting on your end, or you clicked a translation by accident.
11:22<safinaskar>abrotman: it does not work too
11:22<luc>not the one im on
11:22<tagny>luc : don't U download the documentation for which i give U the link
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11:22<abrotman>safinaskar: i just used it!
11:22<abrotman>safinaskar: i updated the ISO url
11:23<sney>luc are you on www.zoneminder.com ?
11:23<luc>yes it come up in another lang
11:23<safinaskar>abrotman: sorry, it is my internet
11:23<abrotman>i thought so!
11:23<safinaskar>abrotman: thank you. it works
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11:23<sney>luc: looks like tagny linked you something in french, just ignore that and go to zoneminder.com
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11:24<tedd>my wheezy is more stable than my squeeze :)
11:25<sney>until the next multiarch bump, or udev/initscripts change, or gnome3 move anyway
11:25<tagny>tedd tell me more
11:26<abrotman>please don't
11:26<abrotman>tagny: use squeeze
11:26<tedd>i now testing wheezy (official testing from debian) since 1 week and no trouble with X gnome kde
11:26<abrotman>tedd: please stop
11:26<__Alex_>tagny: If you're new to debian, listen to us, and use the stable release!
11:26<sney>tagny: if you're using squeeze and you end up wanting newer versions of software, there is http://backports.debian.org/ ... wait until you are more experienced before you try using testing
11:27<__Alex_>Yea, he's right
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11:27<tedd>sure, use the stable squeeze in first
11:27<sney>tedd: congratulations, you happened into a relatively smooth time. how do you think it'll go when the next batch of gnome3 packages moves down from sid? you may be okay with the drastic changes ahead, but please don't recommend it to new people.
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11:28<abrotman>he must not use nvidia or ati :)
11:28<abrotman>!fr
11:28<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
11:29<tedd>anyway, i just share my experience...
11:29<abrotman>keep it to yourself please
11:29<sney>tedd: #debian-next is also a safe place to discuss using wheezy/sid
11:29<tedd>thanks sney
11:30<tedd>i notice that
11:30<MrFrood>#debian-next is safe..?
11:30<__Alex_>#debian-next contains toxic waste!
11:31*MrFrood never goes to #debian-next without his titanium spork ;)
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11:32<xovan>titanium spork? What about an amulet of lifesaving?
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11:34<MrFrood>xovan: spork conversation moved to offtopic
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11:42<beer>hi
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11:45<beer>I have been trying to get my multi screen settup to work under Debian. At this moment my X-file looks like http://pastebin.com/Bdh3Un5K . I have 2 problems. It seems that some games cannot handle this way of settings. eks if I run warzone 2100 my screen 1 and 2 turns black while warzone runs smoothly on screen 0. Is there a way to fix that? Any ponter?
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11:50<shundake>Hello there!
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11:51<Arrowmaster>beer: i believe all programs that try to take fullscreen control will cause that
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11:51<shundake>Somebody knows how I can install the 3dsp wireless + bluetooth driver on Debian 2.6.38-2-686?
11:52<xovan>if i recall, you can set up flightgear to span across 3 screen fullscreen.
11:52<bernat>beer: you can ask in #debian-games too
11:52<bernat>bernat: btw, isn't this handled by the desktop/window manager?
11:52<xovan>main thing i'd do is instead of going full screen just stretch a window across
11:52<shundake>I've tried to install using the package of https://github.com/reyiyo/3dsp/ but its output an error on make install
11:52<bernat>beer: btw, isn't this handled by the desktop/window manager?
11:53<beer>I think it is a thing for X-org
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11:54<beer>if I have Option "Xinerama" "0" it workd nicly but then I cannot move windows from one screen to another
11:54<poromo>help?
11:54<poromo>i have a problem with debian installation
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11:55<poromo>can someone help me please?
11:55<bernat>poromo: just go ahead and ask
11:56<beer>so I should go and talk with debian-games or debian-kde about it
11:56<beer>tanks for you time
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11:57<poromo>im trying to install the newest version on my computer. it has 2 hds. hd 1 has 1 ntfs partition(250gb) with windows 7 installed on it. i installed debian on the other half of the hd but now i cant boot
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11:58<Bushmills>"newest version"?
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11:58<Bushmills>that's squeeze?
11:58<poromo>oh well the stable one
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12:01<bernat>poromo: no more info?
12:02<poromo>well i installed debian on ext4 partition size about 240gb swap 9,6gb
12:02<poromo>home is on other hd
12:02<poromo>500gb ext4
12:03<poromo>windows 7 partition is in the beginning of the disk
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12:03<poromo>thats pretty much anout it
12:03<poromo>*about
12:04<poromo>it asked the permission to install grub and i allowed it to do it, but when booting the message is the same : "Reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device"
12:05<poromo>something wrong with the mbr i guess?
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12:06<poromo>how should i try to fix it? live cd or something??
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12:07<bernat>poromo: I guess you got the installation setup wrong
12:07<SynrG>poromo: when the installer asked you to install grub to the mbr, how did you answer?
12:07<poromo>yes
12:07<SynrG>did you confirm it was actually installing to your boot drive?
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12:08<poromo>the grub?
12:08<SynrG>yes
12:08<SynrG>oh, i hazily recall win7 can hose your mbr
12:08<poromo>i guess... i tried to run the installation 3 times, but failed every time :(
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12:08<SynrG>have you booted back to windows before booting to squeeze?
12:09<SynrG>i understand certain things can write to the mbr when you boot win7 that must be disabled.
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12:09<poromo>oh
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12:09<SynrG>google "booting windows 7 breaks grub" or something
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12:10<poromo>no no the message came at the first boot
12:10<poromo>i havent even seen the grub on my computer
12:10<SynrG>ok
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12:12<SynrG>poromo: did you change the device it installs grub to or did you just accept the default?
12:12<poromo>default
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12:13<poromo>i choose the guided partitioning and everything on same partition and the hd i wanted debian to be installed. after that i created partition for /home to another hd
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12:14<bernat>poromo: why don't you try default partitioning?
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12:15<bernat>later you can create the home partition
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12:15<poromo>ok. ill be back :)
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12:15<SynrG>i'm not certain this will yield different results where grub is conerned
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12:15<SynrG>concerned*
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12:16<SynrG>bernat: explain where you think it may have gone wrong with /home on another disk?
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12:16<bernat>I know, more ideas?
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12:16<bernat>SynrG: I'm not sure, but I guess he might have gone wrong somewhere
12:16<SynrG>that particular experiment has a large time cost to the user with low chance of success :p
12:16<bernat>poromo: wait
12:16<gkaklas>hi guys, i just came here... what's the problem?
12:17<poromo>ok
12:17<bernat>I'm not too familiar with the standard installation process, have used it few times
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12:17<SynrG>poromo: boot the 'rescue' option and try reinstalling grub, i guess
12:18<poromo>well i tried to do tjat once
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12:18<bernat>SynrG: I doubt he'll be succesful at that if he failed in the installation process :P
12:18<poromo>it simply looks like the normal installation but i'll give it a try
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12:19<SynrG>bernat: but at least it gives something we can collect info from.
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12:19<SynrG>poromo: how many drives? on which drive is grub being installed?
12:19<bernat>poromo: did you add the second hdd at the same time you tried installing Debian?
12:19<SynrG>poromo: and does your BIOS consider that the boot drive, or is it somehow finding a different bootloader on a different drive?
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12:19<SynrG>poromo: yeah, and what bernat said
12:21<poromo>2 drives
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12:22<poromo>500 and 500. i guess the grub is probably installed on the 1st drive. the one including windows 7 and debian installation
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12:25<noam>hi
12:25<noam>i have an quastion
12:26<gg>yeaaar !
12:26<gg>we're proud to introduce noam
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12:26<gg>who'll ask a question :
12:26<noam>the upper line of the window sometimes disappear
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12:28<noam>i mean that the cross disapear
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12:28<noam>and i always reboot the computer
12:28<noam>and this is annoying me
12:28<gg>? in all display managers
12:29<noam>i'm new with ubuntu and didn't find solution to the problem
12:29<gkaklas>noam, is it just the buttons or the whole bar?
12:29<noam>all bar
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12:29<noam>in all windows
12:30<gg>you use gnome or kde ?
12:30<noam>gnome
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12:30<noam>i use the last version 11.04
12:30<gg>it bugs in KDE too ?
12:31<noam>i don't use KDE
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12:31<noam>i like gnome more
12:31<gkaklas>did you install anything or configured sth that could affect this?
12:31<stew>noam: you should be in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net for help with ubuntu
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12:32<noam>stew ok, i will, sorry, gkaklas: no
12:32<gg> try a reset of gnome/desktop setupmaybe its a function
12:33<noam>how i do this?
12:33<noam>i mean what is the fuction?
12:33<gg>maybe its a function for hide it. Well. I'll not stay a long time :)
12:33<noam>ok thaks
12:34<noam>thanks
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12:36<noam>what the aim of this chat?
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12:37<noam>i mean which issues go on here?
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12:38<Erbureth>noam: Debian :)
12:38<noam>ok
12:38<stew>noam: debian end-user support
12:38<gkaklas>noam, if a user has any problem with his debian installation, he may ask a question here...
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12:40<noam>ok thank you , i think i am in a wrong chat...
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12:47<FybonaX>hello
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12:47<FybonaX>Any tip for notebook squeeze-ready ?
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12:54<mewmin>wich is best, debian or ubuntu?
12:55<daemonkeeper>Which answer do you expect from a channel called #debian?
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12:55<coorrecaminos>buenas tardes
12:55<mewmin>dunno
12:56<mewmin>i dont know how to install drivers on debian (ATI graphic card)
12:56<daemonkeeper>!fglrx
12:56<dpkg>fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>; see <fglrx lenny> for oldstable. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net.
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12:57<mewmin>are there no open source drivers?
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12:57<daemonkeeper>Both, radeon and radeonhd are
12:58<mewmin>no, it says " proprietary"
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12:58<daemonkeeper>This refers to fglrx
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12:58<imperium>!ati
12:58<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
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12:59<stew>mewmin: "aptitude install xorg" would install the open source drivers along with the x server
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13:01<dudz_>oki, i've just re-imaged some filesystems and now i'm trying to use grub-install from the debian rescue shell though i'm geting no such device errors
13:01<dudz_>do i perhaps need to rebuild my /dev if so how would i go about doing that ?
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13:09<daemonkeeper>dudz_: These days /dev is managed by udev
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13:09<stew>daemonkeeper: is that running in the rescue environment though?
13:09<daemonkeeper>No
13:09<poromo>should the debian istallation be on primary partition? or does it matter?
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13:09<Erbureth>mewmin: if you use opensource drivers for newer radeon (r600 or newer), you would want to install latest mesa
13:10<mewmin>Erbureth: how?
13:10<daemonkeeper>Hence, depending on the use case, you possible want to bind mount /dev in the chroot or create the device temporarily statically.
13:11<Erbureth>mewmin: there is 7.11 development version in experiemental, however you need xorg from unstable, as it was recently recompiled for multilib support
13:11<Erbureth>mewmin: what card do you have?
13:11<mewmin>Erbureth: Radeon HD 5770
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13:12<funkyHat>poromo: don't think it matters
13:13<Erbureth>mewmin: Evergreen, i see :) then if you want the greatest performance, you need that mesa I mentioned,
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13:13<poromo>ok. does it matter is the boot partition "placed within the first 1024 cylinders"
13:13<Erbureth>mewmin: newest ati drivers, from testing (6.14.2-1)
13:13<poromo>or is this old bios thing?
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13:14<mewmin>Erbureth: is there a link or guide on how to install/download the drivers
13:14<Erbureth>mewmin: and xserver-xorg 1.10.2 from testing
13:14<funkyHat>poromo: I think that depends on the bios, yeah
13:14<Erbureth>mewmin: are you using squeeze or wheezy?
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13:15<Erbureth>mewmin: anyway, you need to learn about release mixing
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13:16<poromo>should i install debian on ext3 or ext4 partition?
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13:16<bernat>poromo: both should be ok
13:17<funkyHat>poromo: if you're not sure, the defaults are probably the most sensible choice
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13:17<Erbureth>!tell mewmin about apt-preferences
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13:18<poromo>ok. ill try to reinstall it now with defaults..
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13:19<funkyHat>poromo: why are you reinstalling? Have you tried to install and it's not worked?
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13:21<bernat>funkyHat: yes, can you check the discussion about one hour ago?
13:21<poromo>i try to dual boot with win7
13:21<poromo>250gb for win7 and 250gt for debian
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13:22<poromo>on the same drive. installation was ok, but on first boot bios tells me no bootable media was found
13:22<poromo>grub reinstall attempts just causes some errormessages
13:23<SynrG>usually a reinstall is *not* indicated in such a case
13:23<SynrG>did you pastebin the error messages?
13:23<SynrG>it's important to tell us exactly what they are or we can't help
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13:24<troll>hey... anyone has time to help a little kid with his noob problems on debian?
13:24<funkyHat>Ok, think I'm up to speed now poromo, thanks bernat
13:24<SynrG>!anyone
13:24<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
13:24<poromo>oh the message was just something like exited with fatal error code 1
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13:25<SynrG>"something like" doesn't help either. was that the exact error code?
13:25<troll>first one: i cant get my debian to use my headset (logitech usb) as default output
13:25<lluad>Anyone happen to know where I can find an Etch ISO? The jigdo files in the archive on cdimage.debian.org point to a lot of files that don't exist any more, so no joy there.
13:25<funkyHat>It certainly sounds like grub is getting installed to the wrong drive
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13:26<poromo>no, but it had no information other than fatal error and code 1
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13:26<poromo>sorry but i was impatient and the reistallation is already on progress
13:26<troll><funkyHat> i certanly have no idea what grub even is -.-
13:27<funkyHat>troll: I was referring to poromo's issue, not yours
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13:27<roxor>ahlan wissem
13:27<troll>so im hopeless and will die without sound =(
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13:28<wissem>ahla roxor :)
13:28<SynrG>troll: regarding headset that should just be a matter of ~/.asoundrc configuration. the alsa wiki should have the answer.
13:28<funkyHat>troll: try installing pulseaudio
13:28<funkyHat>poromo: did you (or can you) make a note of which hard drive gets called sda and which gets called sdb by the debian installer?
13:28<roxor>kif 7alek ?
13:29<troll>funkyHat> done! do i have to restart pc? how to run it?
13:30<SynrG>pulseaudio is 'magic sauce' that makes headsets 'just work'? who knew?
13:30<funkyHat>troll: are you using a desktop environment, gnome or kde for instance?
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13:30<poromo>yes
13:30<funkyHat>SynrG: ⢁)
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13:30<SynrG>funkyHat: pardon my skepticism. my pulseaudio experiences have been not quite as uniformly good as yours, apparently.
13:30<streuner>s/pulseaudio/OSS4/
13:31<funkyHat>SynrG: I wouldn't say mine have been uniformly good
13:31<SynrG>and in particular, jackd and pulseaudio are a bloody nuisance to get working together
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13:32<funkyHat>SynrG: that's something that's improving at the moment, I think (the idea is pulseaudio will give up soundcards for jack, and then attach as a jack client, so pulseaudio clients playback carries straight through
13:33*SynrG nods
13:33<poromo>funkyHat: sda:160gb, not relevant a drive with truecrypt encryption
13:33<SynrG>in theory
13:33<funkyHat>I don't think that's working perfectly yet though ⢁)
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13:33<SynrG>:)
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13:33<SynrG>the other thing is applications which insist on autoconfiguring for the currently detected soundserver in some obscure dotfile ...
13:34<SynrG>and then when you switch out from under it which soundserver you use, it's by no means obvious how to disabuse the app of its notions of how to handle sound :p
13:35<poromo>funkyHat: http://img52.imageshack.us/i/20110706002z.jpg/
13:35<bernat>SynrG: I have pulseaudio+jack working now smoothly in sid
13:35<SynrG>(i think at least one certain popular web browser did this to us ... i remember being highly annoyed)
13:35<funkyHat>SynrG: but... I can play sound using any of the soundcards in my house!
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13:35<SynrG>funkyHat: yes! it's full of promise! :)
13:35<poromo>sdd is the installation media
13:35<bernat>it's delivering more and more everyday
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13:35<SynrG>bernat: nice. i gave up on it and just nuked pulseaudio
13:36<SynrG>wasn't giving me enough bang for my buck
13:36<troll>funkyHat yes standard gnome
13:36<SynrG>especially on a multiuser system ...
13:36<SynrG>things got a bit crossed up about which server to contact, methinks
13:36<funkyHat>troll: run gstreamer-properties and change output and input to pulseaudio
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13:36<SynrG>but i digress :)
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13:37<bernat>for my daily use is working well, good control over app's audio without issues, and plays nicely with jack when needded
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13:38<troll>funkyHat yes! it worked! thx <3
13:39<funkyHat>⢁)
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13:39<SynrG>note to self: attempt another kick at the can with pulseaudio sometime
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13:40<funkyHat>poromo: I'm wondering whether that truecrypt drive being detected first is causing the problems
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13:41<funkyHat>When you get to the grub stage, which drive does it ask to install on?
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13:42<poromo>ill check i
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13:49<bernat>funkyHat: truecrypt? I just see he has 3 drives instead of the 2 he told us
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13:52<mewmin>is it possible to encrypt whole harddrive in debian/ubuntu? with truecrypt it says i cant encrypt harddrive, it says i can only make container
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13:52<poromo>well the 160gb is a drive with truecrypt encryption now reinstall in progress with that drive pluuged ogg
13:53<bernat>ok
13:53<poromo>mewmin: i have one system with lvm encryption
13:53<mjr>you can use lvm to encrypt almost the whole hard drive, with the exception of /boot
13:53<mjr>luks I mean, though lvm over luks is good
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13:54<mjr>if you want, you could kludge around to put /boot on a usb stick or something, that might not be so straightforward though
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13:54<mjr>anyway, you do need _some_ unencrypted bootstrap stuff to boot the computer up
13:54<nana>ola
13:55<funkyHat>mewmin: you can't encrypt boot. My /boot is on an SD card and all the storage in the laptop itself is encrypted by dm-crypt (available in the debian installer)
13:55<nana>speeq spanish
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13:56<mewmin>funkyHat: if i have windows partition and linux partition, from Windows can i encrypt both?
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13:57<funkyHat>mewmin: no
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13:59<nkadun>hi all, how to reset console resolution to 640x480 with no framebuffer support?
14:01<__Alex_>Why would you do that?
14:01<nkadun>I don't like the high resolution in console mode
14:01<__Alex_>Lulz
14:02<maya_A>:o
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14:02<nkadun>I'm using squeeze for the first time and don't know how to proceed...
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14:03<maya_A>u prefer low resolution than high resolution?
14:03<nkadun>the characters are too small to read...
14:04<daemonkeeper>nkadun: I presume you want to configure /etc/default/console-setup
14:04<maya_A>mmm ok
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14:04<daemonkeeper>nkadun: if you really want to change resolution, do this in /etc/default/grub
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14:04<robertf2>Hello
14:04<maya_A>Hi
14:05<nkadun>daemonkeeper: No, I just wanna get a low resolution without framebuffer
14:05-!-babilen [~babilen@87-194-152-68.bethere.co.uk] has joined #debian
14:05<nkadun>and /etc/default/grub does not work...
14:05<robertf2>I can't subscribe to debian's mailing list. I use an ip address located in France
14:05<daemonkeeper>nkadun: it does. You have to call update-grub afterwards though.
14:05<robertf2>i sent an e-mail to debian-announce-request@lists.debian.org with subscribe in subject & body.
14:05<daemonkeeper>that's even noted straight on top.
14:05<GreenJim>Hi chaps
14:06<robertf2>is the ip address blacklisted?
14:06<GreenJim>I have two minues to ask if somebody can help me
14:06<nkadun>daemonkeeper: How to disable framebuffer / vbe in console mode?
14:06<GreenJim>I run a Squeeze and I had problems to install LibreOffice from the backports repository
14:06<daemonkeeper>robertf2: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/ fill in your email address and reply when asked to
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14:06<lindi->nkadun: why do you want to disable the framebuffer? you should be able to setup it to user larger font
14:07<maya_A>@GreenJim: why not with libreoffice .deb?
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14:07<nkadun>framebuffer make my notebook hot...
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14:07<nkadun>while pure console does not
14:08<GreenJim><maya_A>why from a .deb ?
14:08<daemonkeeper>nkadun: As I said, this is clearly denoted in the configuration file.
14:08<GreenJim>actually, i added backports in my source.list, made a dist-upgrade and tried to install LO
14:08<nkadun>daemonkeeper: Let me try it
14:08<GreenJim>but it failed because of dependencies
14:08<robertf2>daemonkeeper: thank you
14:09<robertf2>daemonkeeper: i don't receive the e-mail
14:09<daemonkeeper>robertf2: look in your spam filter
14:09<robertf2>daemonkeeper: i don't use spam filter
14:09<GreenJim>and dependencies are all the other LO components (writer, calc, ...)
14:10<maya_A>@GreenJim: personnaly, i use .deb at http://www.libreoffice.org/download/
14:10<daemonkeeper>robertf2: perhaps you mistyped your email address?
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14:11<GreenJim>i tried after the official annoucement from Debian news (http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110623)
14:11<nkadun>daemonkeeper: Do I need to set gfxpayload=keep in 00_header?
14:11<GreenJim>another thing: it is also supposed to uninstall OO
14:12<maya_A>@GreenJim: mmmm, dunno
14:12<GreenJim>do you think it is a good idea to report it as a bug ?
14:13<GreenJim>may be it can help
14:15<SynrG>GreenJim: exact errors?
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14:15<SynrG>GreenJim: pastebin the apt command and its output
14:15<babilen>nkadun: No, you *never* should have to edit the scripts themselves. Configure it in /etc/default/grub
14:15<SynrG>GreenJim: yes, it's supposed to uninstall OO. it supercedes it
14:16<nkadun>babilen: OK
14:17<__Alex_>nkadun: Because if you change the scripts, and after time update-grub2, you'r changes will disappear
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14:17<poromo>funkyHat: success
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14:19<poromo>the grub was probably on the wrong drive. now im afraid the earlier installations have ruined the truecrypt volume... well i'll see
14:19<babilen>nkadun: Do you have the reference to info in the header of that file?
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14:20<nkadun>babilen: I'm trying /etc/default/grub
14:20<nkadun>with vga=769 etc..
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14:24<daemonkeeper>did you see "# Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)"?
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14:24<nkadun>When I install xorg, graphic console is auto-enabled.....
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14:24<nkadun>Why?
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14:25<babilen>nkadun: vga=769 is not the way to go. Configure GRUB_GFXMODE and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX -- See "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'" for a discussion of the options. (that is the "info" I was referring to earlier)
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14:26<babilen>nkadun: KMS (kernel mode setting)
14:26<babilen>nkadun: What are you trying to achieve?
14:27<nkadun>babilen: um...I misunderstand what you said ealier, sorry
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14:27<GreenJim><SynrG>: OK
14:27<babilen>nkadun: No problem -- "info" was quite ambiguous :)
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14:27<nkadun>babilen: I just wanna get a PURE console without any graphic effect
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14:28<babilen>nkadun: I think daemonkeeper's comment comes in handy then.
14:28<GreenJim>SynrG: http://pastebin.com/MnRKXjw8
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14:29<robertf2>daemonkeeper: i don't receive the mail. What's happening
14:29<SynrG>GreenJim: ouch. please use LANG=C in future ...
14:29<robertf2>Is there an e-mail address to reach the list master?
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14:30<SynrG>GreenJim: and 'apt-cache policy libreoffice-java-common' ?
14:30<GreenJim>SynrG: http://pastebin.com/KR4pTn2U better like that ?
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14:31<GreenJim>i tried apt-cache policy for all dependencies and they are all OK
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14:32<GreenJim>any clue ?
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14:33<dimakx>hi
14:33<GreenJim>OK, sorry, i have to leave now
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14:33<dimakx>my name is dimakx
14:33<SynrG>GreenJim: clearly one of the deps isn't ...
14:33<SynrG>GreenJim: try apt-get install libreoffice-java-common
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14:34<dimakx>and you?
14:34<GreenJim>SynrG: do you thing i have to install dep's one by one ?
14:34<SynrG>GreenJim: no. but you asserted the deps are fine
14:35<SynrG>GreenJim: if that fails, it proves your assertion is false. if it succeeds, we have a mystery
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14:36<GreenJim>libreoffice-java-common : Depends: libreoffice-common but it is not going to be installed
14:36<GreenJim>it seems to work when i try to install libreoffice-common
14:36<GreenJim>but the Debian news told you need to install libreoffice
14:37<GreenJim>see http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110623
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14:37<GreenJim>OK. i will try again with libreoffice-common
14:37<stew>GreenJim: if you are trying to install from sqeueze-backports, use "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install packagename"
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14:37<SynrG>stew: he did
14:37<SynrG>stew: also, my instruction above which omits it is incorrect
14:37<GreenJim>it is what i did
14:37<SynrG>sorry
14:37<stew>SynrG: ok
14:38<SynrG>typing in a hurry as he was going to leave :)
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14:38<GreenJim>OK, thank you for your help
14:38<stew>GreenJim: have you installed any packages from wheezy?
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14:39<GreenJim>stew: wheezy ?
14:39<stew>testing
14:39<GreenJim>stew: no, none
14:39<SynrG>GreenJim: yeah. just the output of 'apt-cache policy' would help here.
14:39<SynrG>just as a sanity check
14:39<GreenJim>SynrG: it seems to work with libreoffice-common
14:40<SynrG>and once you've installed that, installing 'libreoffice' works?
14:40<SynrG>did it force any removals?
14:40<GreenJim>SynrG: yes, it did
14:41<SynrG>maybe it has to do with pin priorities, with apt refusing to remove the higher priority stuff from squeeze
14:41<GreenJim>but i really have to leave now
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14:41<SynrG>so until you explicitly provide a solution it can't figure it out
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14:41<SynrG>GreenJim: k. sorry to have kept you :)
14:42<GreenJim>SynrG: i think i will come back on this later. Thank's for your help.
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14:42<SynrG>yeap. later
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14:46<ZykoticK9>re: GreenJim's libreoffice issue - after adding backports, updating, "aptitude install -t squeeze-backports libreoffice" it is installing just fine (including removing OO). So I think there must have been some specific issue with GreenJim's process/box to cause the issue.
14:47<stew>we're guessing he's got some funky pinning
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14:47<SynrG>hm. possibly
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14:48<SynrG>notice the instructions say apt-get, not aptitude
14:49<SynrG>difference in how the resolver for each works?
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14:50<nkadun>Thank you all, what I want is "radeon.modeset=0" and I get the final result
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14:51<ZykoticK9>SynrG, beside "aptitude safe-upgrade" I don't personally see much/any difference between apt-get/aptitude these days -- beside the Debian community strongly favouring aptitude ;) [lenny->squeeze does use apt-get]
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14:53<kop>nkadun: Lordie. It took me forever to figure out how to do that and get rid of the teensey fonts on the console.
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14:55<nkadun>kop: I can't quite follow u with my poor English......
14:55<nkadun>sigh...
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14:58<ZykoticK9>apt-cacher-ng question: if I have my host apt-cacher box pointing to the cache, will it get updates for the apt database from the "real" repos, or am I preventing this system from getting updates?
14:59<kop>nkadun: I needed to do what you did. And it took me some time.
14:59<nkadun>:)
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15:05<scisteffan>how do I change the motor speed of a canoscan n650u using sane?
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15:15<jhutchins_lt>scisteffan: You don't.
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15:17<scisteffan>jhutchins_lt I'm having a 'grinding' noise come from my scanner (first attempt at using it). Found a bug report with the solution "To solve this problem you might try to play with the settings in
15:17<scisteffan>plustek-usbdevs.c line 2044/2045. Try to reduce the dMaxMotorSpeed and
15:17<scisteffan>dMaxMoveSpeed until the noise dissapears."
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15:17<scisteffan>sorry for the triple post
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15:18<jhutchins_lt>scisteffan: Interesting, that's usually hardware controlled.
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15:18<jhutchins_lt>scisteffan: It sounds like they're suggesting modifying the driver code and recompiling it.
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15:19<jhutchins_lt>scisteffan: You can also dig through the scanner definition files for sane and see if there are variables for that which can be modified without recompiling. I had to change mine to look for the correct device.
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15:20<mewmin>Can i Encrypt my systemdrive with LUKS?
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15:23<scisteffan>at http://www.sane-project.org/sane-backends.html#S-CANON my scanner is listed under the plustek backend, presume I look in the .so file?
15:23<mjr>If you mean root filesystem, yes. /boot needs to be unencrypted for, well, the machine to boot up
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15:24<mjr>You may put /boot on a removable media if you wish, of course, though that may require some manual tinkering (not sure about the current debian installer state)
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15:27<troll>hey guys someone know where empathy saves the chatlog?
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15:29<mewmin>mjr
15:30<mewmin>why cant i do that with Truecrypt?
15:30<mewmin>it says "ubuntu doesnt support system encryption" with truecrypt
15:30<Sk1talec>How to connect to WI-FI network using /etc/network/interfaces?
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15:31<mjr>truecrypt has licensing conflicts with the linux kernel which have pretty much hampered its adoption and support by distributions
15:31<kop>Sk1talec: I don't know but isn't there instructions in the reference manual?
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15:32<mjr>presumably you _could_ kludge together system encryption with truecrypt - by hand...
15:32<troll>hey guys someone know where empathy saves the chatlog?
15:32<troll>i googled it but no good
15:32<mjr>but just use luks instead
15:32<Sk1talec>I cant understant where do I need to specify the network name?
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15:33<kop>Sk1talec: I don't know wireless. I heard wicd recommended. I don't know if that uses the interfaces file. ("man interfaces" helped me regarding this once, long ago. I think.) If you don't get help ask again after a while.
15:34<kop>Sk1talec: You could try the factoids.
15:34<kop>!wireless
15:34<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
15:34<kop>!wlan howto
15:34<dpkg>The Linux Wireless LAN HOWTO is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux . Additional resources and links to related information/websites are also available. See also http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi and http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse . Related: <wireless-tools>, <adhoc>, <hostapd>, <rfkill>.
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15:35<Sk1talec>In the manuals used wicd or wpa_supplicant but i need internet to install them
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15:38<troll>someone know a good chat? im bored -.-
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15:40<maya_A>@troll: for what? msn? jabber?
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15:45<troll>maya_A never mind found it
15:46<troll>maya_A just used a lame search engine -.-
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15:46<maya_A>pidgin? kopete?
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15:52<mewmin>mjr: IS dm-crypt or LUKS best for system encryption?
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15:53<mjr>luks is basically dm-crypt with some metadata on the partition. I would recommend luks unless you have a spesific reason to use raw dm-crypt
15:53<mjr>(metadata that allows key management, for instance)
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15:58<mjr>(also, the debian installer allows for automatic luks installations, don't know with dm-crypt)
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15:59<daemonkeeper>It supports LUKS only, there is virtually no point to go with plain dm-crypt.
15:59<mjr>indeed
15:59<mjr>some want it for the theoretical deniability, but that's probably of not much actual use
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16:00<mjr>if you live in a fascist enough country, they're probably not gonna skip fucking you up if you don't cough up the keys because there's a theoretical chance that there's just random bytes there
16:01-!-mode/#debian [+l 511] by debhelper
16:01<mjr>and if you don't live in such a country, there's a decent chance that they can't make you cough up the keys anyway
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16:02<daemonkeeper>If deniability counts for you, you are most likely paranoid enough to have a highly tweaked system where you don't partition with help of the Debian installer anyway.
16:03<scisteffan>if I'm installing an earlier version of a packing using "make install", does aptitude recognise the downgrade and can I set the newer version to hold?
16:03<Bushmills>in those cases you have a synthetic "customer"
16:03<scisteffan>package*
16:04<felice>ciao
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16:04<daemonkeeper>scisteffan: Certainly not.
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16:05<daemonkeeper>scisteffan: If you act without letting apt know, you shouldn't expect it is able to track what you did.
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16:06<odam>is it normal for my nipples to be tender after i install debian?
16:07<daemonkeeper>odam: Yes.
16:07<mjr>Yes. Expect to soon start lactating for your Debian child.
16:07<mewmin>Ubuntu is better than debian because debian doesnt allow auto-updates
16:07<odam>oh i think it just that i have a boner its ok
16:08<bzed>mewmin: stop trolling please
16:08*bim_ir_ is doing apt-get -y dist-upgrade every day
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16:09<mewmin>bzed: it certanly doesnt allow auto-updates for applications such as pidgin, gimp, firefox. you'll have to compile it yourself
16:09<odam>what is a troll?
16:09<odam>:O
16:10<daemonkeeper>.oO( people associating nipples with Debian )
16:10<bzed>mewmin: you neither want to have automatic updates, you want a stable system and manually look at updates. and if you really need more recent versions in a stable system, there is backports.debian.org
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16:10<Bushmills>even worse. debian requires you to write all apps from scratch before you can use them
16:11<bim_ir_>in pure assembly ? :)
16:11<Bushmills>coded in hex
16:11<daemonkeeper>Way to high level. You directly write ELF binaries.
16:11<bim_ir_>wow
16:11<bzed>no, on punch cards
16:12<bim_ir_>1000 cards for 1 ELF binary
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16:13<Bushmills>that's about 50 kilobytes
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16:14<bim_ir_>oh
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16:15<coolGuy>I've just updated my kernel and find that the netconsole module is no longer available. Do I have to recompaile again?
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16:16<bim_ir_>what does this module do?
16:16<lindi->coolGuy: cat /proc/version?
16:17<coolGuy>it sends dmesg messages over the network to another computer
16:17<bim_ir_>lindi-: wow, it's like uname -a, but more info!
16:17<bim_ir_>even gcc version
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16:17<bim_ir_>who is this guy? ben@decadent.org.uk
16:18<coolGuy>linux version 3.0.0-rc5 gcc version 4.4.5-8
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16:18<bim_ir_>3.0.0 o_0
16:18<maya_A>wtf
16:18<maya_A>:D
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16:19<coolGuy>Well, I thought that the 3.0 kernel fixed a bug with nouveau, but apparently not, since I'm still getting freezes
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16:20<coolGuy>At this point, I think it may be hardware related
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16:20<bim_ir_>coolGuy: self-made kernel?
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16:21<coolGuy>yes, but I used the exact same config as before, the only thing is I disabled ehci_hcd (USB 2)
16:21<bim_ir_>I disabled PS/2 keyboards and mouses, all of them
16:21<coolGuy>The one before was a precompiled deb package and the one before just came with the distro
16:21<SynrG>Sk1talec: at this point your options are: ethernet, usb key with the debs on them, or weaken wifi security temporarily so you can install without wpa_supplicant.
16:22<SynrG>Sk1talec: personally, i'd find an ethernet cable, plug in, install the rest of the system. it's simplest.
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16:23<coolGuy>so, I'm not sure how modules work. Can you install a loadable module without having to do a kernel recompile?
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16:23<mjr>yes
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16:24<coolGuy>that's what I needed to know mjr, thanks
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16:24<maya_A1>.
16:26<mjr>(the module itself will [most likely] have to be compiled for that kernel version though)
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16:26<koosha>I'm trying to install NVIDIA driver but it throws an error: "Unable to build kernel module"
16:26<lindi->coolGuy: sounds like custom kernel to me
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16:26<koosha>any idea?
16:26<Blacker47>hello. i have now a ati radeonhd 6850 video card and don't find the way to make advance of it. now it runs with vesa. what do i need?
16:26<lindi->bim_ir_: Ben Hutchings works for the kernel team
16:27<coolGuy>Ah, I see, any good tutorials mjr?
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16:27<coolGuy>lindi-, custom in so far as I made one minor little modification...
16:27<towo`>Blacker47, an up to date fglrx
16:27<devil>Blacker47: radeon and firmware-linux-nonfree
16:27<lindi->coolGuy: quite large modification if it doe snow your name in /proc/ersion
16:28<maya_A1>@koosha : kernel?
16:28<towo`>devil, in stable for a 6xxx card, not realy
16:28<koosha>2.6.38.4
16:28<koosha>custom compiled
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16:28<koosha>but I had no problem with amd64
16:28<koosha>now I'm using i386
16:28<koosha>and that has problem
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16:28<maya_A1>headers?
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16:29<koosha>Yes the entire source is available at /usr/src
16:29<mewmin>whats the difference between using x64 or x86 debian?
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16:29<lindi->mewmin: debian calls then "i386" and "amd64"
16:29<maya_A1>@koosha: symbolic link linux too in /usr/src?
16:29<coolGuy>Ok, I'm going to go try to compile and install this module. Thanks for the help everybody!
16:29<mewmin>lindi-: is it faster?
16:30<lindi->mewmin: amd64 works only on 64-bit intel and amd processors. you can use more memory and some operations are faster
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16:30<koosha>no, But I don't think that would be a problem
16:30<mewmin>lindi-: will there be compability problems with 64-bits?
16:30<lindi->mewmin: with some non-free software yes
16:30<towo`>koosha, how you install the driver?
16:30<koosha>tried different ways
16:30<Blacker47>devil, i would prefer to use debian respositories and for the first it would be ok to has only 2D support. i use stable, but i may be able to update to a kernel from backports
16:30<lindi->mewmin: they are something that debian can't fix :(
16:30<koosha>the nvidia script refuses to install
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16:31<koosha>but after extraction I tried to install manually
16:31<maya_A1>@ koosha: u stop X server before install?
16:31<towo`>koosha, all methods do write logfiles
16:31<devil>Blacker47: give it a try and see if it does all you need
16:31<koosha>of course
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16:31<maya_A1>@ koosha: paste log error plz
16:31<devil>Blacker47: you need to add non-free to your sources.list
16:32<koosha>nvidia-installer log file '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log'
16:32<koosha>creation time: Wed Jul 6 23:29:23 2011
16:32<koosha>installer version: 275.09.07
16:32<koosha>PATH: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/opt/links
16:32<koosha>option status:
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16:32<robertf2>I can't subscribe to debian's mailing list. Someone can send an e-mail to the mailing list
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16:32<Blacker47>devil, actually tried with fglrx-packages installed and aticonfig --initial... but it founds no supported hardware :-/
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16:32<robertf2>i use a smtp server located in France
16:32<towo`>Blacker47, fglrx in stable is way to old
16:32<Blacker47>devil, you mean, update to kernel from backports and try the same?
16:32<robertf2>but i can't subscribe to debian's mailing list
16:33<devil>Blacker47: i dont have much clue on fglrx, never owned an ATI card
16:33<Blacker47>or would it fail too, because fglrx is to old?
16:33<Blacker47>i see. me too
16:33<bim_ir_>robertf2: what does it mean "i can't subscribe"?
16:34<bim_ir_>robertf2: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subunsub
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16:34<robertf2>bim_ir_: i sent an e-mail to debian-announce-request@lists.debian.org - i never receive the confirmation to confirm.
16:34<robertf2>bim_ir_: it's the same problem with the website :)
16:34<bim_ir_>robertf2: with the word "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" as subject?
16:34<robertf2>if this ISP blacklisted?
16:34<robertf2>bim_ir_: subscribe
16:35<robertf2>Can you ask this problem to the mailing list for me please
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16:36<devil>robertf2: you should mail listmaster
16:36<stew>robertf2: put your email in the text box here and click subscribe: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/
16:36<bim_ir_>sounds like keymaster from matrix ;)
16:37<robertf2>stew: it was done. But it didn't works
16:37<robertf2>i don't have spam filter
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16:37<robertf2>if i can't subscribe to the mailing lists, i can't mail to the listmaster, isn't it
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16:38<bim_ir_>robertf2: wow, you are ipv6 guy! cool
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16:38<robertf2>bim_ir_: ipv4 & ipv6
16:39<bim_ir_>my provider doesn't like ipv6 by unknown reason :(
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16:41<robertf2>bim_ir_: i don't have ipv6 in Belgium. I'm connected to a vps in France
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17:09<Fpunch>hello everyone
17:09<maya_A1>hi
17:10<bim_ir_>howdy
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17:14<Fpunch>I know this is offtopic but there isn't any active questions. I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for Text expansion apps?
17:14<bim_ir_>text expansion? what's it?
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17:15<jhutchins_lt>Fpunch: command completion?
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17:18<Fpunch>its for programming or writing so if you type HR it fills in Human Resources.
17:18<lindi->Fpunch: many editors probably support that
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17:18<lindi->Fpunch: or do you want it to work with any application?
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17:20<Fpunch>just an editor. I have a list of programs that do it. I normally source #debian for software suggestions they tend to have insight / experience that is quite handy.
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17:26<tgp1994>Mind if I ask a question regarding Debian Sarge in here?
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17:29<tgp1994>Anyhow, I'm trying to install it (classics :)), although the package archive selection seems to be a bit more difficult. When I installed woody, I was able to manually edit the sources.list file, allowing me to choose exactly how the packages were installed. However, in sarge's installer, editing the sources.list file is no longer possible (it isn't created), so I'm at a lost as to what I have to do. Specifying the mirror as arch
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17:30<tgp1994>th. Does anyone know what I can do?
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17:31<bim_ir_>tgp1994: is that new version? they removed sources.list? they removed apt/dpkg? no!
17:31<tgp1994>bim_ir_: Same old version. The installer doesn't seem to be creating a sources.list file in the ramdisk like woody's installer did.
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17:33<tgp1994>Ok...
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17:36<jack_lt>man I can cry. how to mount a cdrom on debian
17:37<maya_A1>rofl
17:37<tgp1994>Yeah.
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17:38<lindi->tgp1994: surely you can install sarge from the cdrom?
17:38<maya_A1>@jack_lt: seriously?
17:38<tgp1994>Unfortunately, I don't have the capability to acquire a Cd :\
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17:39<jack_lt>maya_A1: yep
17:39<lindi->tgp1994: use virtualization
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17:42<tgp1994>lindi-: I'm actually installing it onto a laptop.
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17:43<lindi->tgp1994: well then approx as a proxy and configure it to use archive.debian.org
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17:45<mewmin>how can i download pidgin (the latest version) on debian?
17:46<jack_lt>how hard can it be to mount a cdrom
17:46<jack_lt>pff
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17:47<jack_lt>or audio cd
17:47<ml|>you can't mount audio cds
17:47<towo`>you can't mount an audiocd
17:47<lindi->mewmin: latest version?
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17:48<jack_lt>how do you go to an audio cd then?
17:48<jack_lt>to play in terminal
17:48<jack_lt>or copy it
17:48<ml|>use your favorite media player to play them
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17:49<mewmin>lindi-: Pidgin 2.9.0
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17:50<towo`>mewmin, build it yourself
17:50<lindi->mewmin: that's not available for stable at the moment unfortunately
17:50<towo`>mewmin, or wait for backports
17:50<lindi->mewmin: does it have some killer feature you need?
17:51<chealer>mewmin: which Debian suite do you use?
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17:51<mewmin>squeeze
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17:52<ml|>you could try a ssb /msg dpkg ssb
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17:54<ml|>jack_lt: if you want to play an audio cd from terminal, install cdtool and use cdplay to play them
17:55<Fpunch>jack_lt: i think they are saying that an audio cd isn't a file system. and you have mount file systems.
17:55<luc>anybody tell me the command line to run to see if my computer recoginized my pci video capture card for my camera to work
17:55<jack_lt>ml|: you know if cdplay supports jack?
17:55<ml|>no I do not
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17:56<kop>luc: Start with "lspci -nn"
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17:58<jack_lt>ml|: mplayer -ao jack -cdrom-device /dev/sr0 cdda://
17:59<luc>i dont see it there
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17:59<ml|>jack_lt: great forgot about mplayer
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18:00<chealer>mewmin: you can download from http://pidgin.im/download/
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18:00<mewmin>chahibi: yes but i have to compile it, and i dont know how to compile
18:01<jhutchins_lt>,versions pidgin
18:01<judd>Package pidgin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.9.0-1; wheezy: 2.9.0-1
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18:01<jhutchins_lt>mewmin: What does 2.9 have that 2.7 doesn't?
18:02<mewmin>i want to have the latest
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18:02<lindi->mewmin: you better invent some reason :)
18:03<luc>i see it camera connected but dont know to set up
18:03<babilen>mewmin: You can backport the package and its dependencies or you can use the version in squeeze. If you don't have a reason for upgrading, I wouldn't put the effort into it.
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18:19<apinski>what is the easiest way to have just the 32bit userland and have a 64bit kernel with debian on x86_64?
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18:19<daemonkeeper>To install Squeeze :)
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18:21<daemonkeeper>Unfortunately the d-i does not offer this at boot time, however you can just install http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 then.
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18:29<chealer>apinski: do you have Debian installed already? use i386
18:29<retrospectacus>how may I kill the "File Operations" dialog? It has some transfers listed that stalled & were cancelled days ago and won't go away
18:30<apinski>chealer, I want to redo a machine which was this way when I arrived at my job
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18:31<chealer>apinski: so it's not installed already then? then install Debian i386 then an x86-64 Linux image.
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18:31<apinski>ok thanks
18:32<retrospectacus>http://overdrive.polarcom.com/file_operations.png these were FTP transfers. I clicked the "Stop" buttons yesterday. Waiting for the window to go away but she won't
18:32<chealer>retrospectacus: which desktop environment do you use?
18:32<retrospectacus>gnome
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20:39<cybersphinx_>How can I find the filename location of a font?
20:40<tim_> Can someone please post their /user/share/gnome-screensaver/lock-dialog/default.ui into pastebin? I've messed mine up and I need an original.
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20:40<cybersphinx_>Ah, fc-list -v shows that.
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20:43<abrotman>tim_: you can get it from the package
20:43<abrotman>and it's /usr/
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20:44<cybersphinx_>tim_: apt-get install --reinstall gnome-screensaver
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20:45<tim_>cybersphinx_: Thanks. I messed up /usr/ :p
20:46<cybersphinx_>That's not good.
20:46<tim_>cybersphinx_: I mean I messed it up in the chat.
20:46<cybersphinx_>Ah.
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20:52<tim_>cybersphinx_: Thanks so much!
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21:50<nardev_>hello, can someone suggest me simple proxy for web. Someone blocked me youtube and i have dislocated server available :)
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21:50<akerl>You dislocated your server?
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21:54<fabzor3_>OW MINE SERVER
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22:08<Black_Prince>nardev_, pivoxy or squid
22:08<akerl>Or just socks over ssh
22:09<nardev_>Black_Prince, is it hard to set them?
22:10<Black_Prince>nah, there are plenty of guides
22:10<nardev_>would installing of them be security issue
22:10<nardev_>if you can tell me that ?
22:11<nardev_>Black_Prince,
22:11<Black_Prince>nardev_, if you do it correctly, then no
22:12<Black_Prince>nardev_, squid has many auth mechanisms
22:12<abrotman>uhm .. i think he wants to use a proxy, not install one for himself?
22:12<nardev_>abrotman, i want to install one but only for me
22:12<nardev_>because i have server
22:12<nardev_>and debian on it
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22:40<hachi>is there an option for disabling signed package repos support for apt-get other than --force-yes?
22:41<hachi>the docs say that this option is for things that 'could be dangerous', however that could mean anything
22:41<hachi>the only dangerous thing I need to enable in the short term is installing unsigned packages
22:41<akerl>Why?
22:41<hachi>because sigining packages, and then getting signatures all working with reprepo is going to take me another couple hours of toying, and I'm still not gpg adept
22:41<hachi>signing
22:42<hachi>this is me installing packages on machines I control, from a repo I control
22:42<hachi>so the likelihood of an attack is low
22:42<akerl>So force them
22:43<hachi>that's what I'm asking
22:43<hachi>can I say force only for signature related problems?
22:43<hachi>cause the --force-yes says generally things that are dangerous
22:43<hachi>so I dont' want to force all operations
22:43<akerl>...
22:43<akerl>You append the force-yes for the install from your repo
22:44<akerl>You're installing a specific package from your repo
22:44<hachi>sure, but I've got a good 500 machines here that I want to do this to
22:44<hachi>so I don't want to let it say... uninstall libc
22:44<akerl>Why would it uninstall something?
22:44<hachi>because that is a dangerous operation, and I am saying yes to all dangerous operations
22:45<akerl>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get --force-yes install myUnsignedCrap
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22:45<akerl>The force option says yes for all operations *on that command*. You're not permanently forcing
22:46<hachi>I'm using cfengine here, and there are other layers of indirection at play
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22:46<akerl>Letting a cave troll into your dungeon is a dangerous operation too, but a command line option on a single apt-get command is unlikely to cause it
22:46<hachi>can you answer my direct question, rather than helping show me how this easy is to do on one machine?
22:46<hachi>I'm trying to make this work on a lot of machines, in a half-sane way...
22:46<akerl>No. If you're deploying to 500 machines, sign your package
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22:51<abrotman>!apt secure
22:51<abrotman>dselect: apt secure
22:51<dselect>[apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. See also <key>, <no public key>.
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22:54<hachi>thanks, reading all that too
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23:56<varunj>Wanted help with a filesystem panic error that I am facing with a FAT32 partition on an embedded device that is running Debian
23:56<varunj>Is this the right place?
23:59<varunj>??
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