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00:33<chaos>aptitude seems to have gone apeshit ... it's been resolving dependencies for like a day (seriously) i killed it a few mins ago when my load was 20 it opened 34649 closed 29304 defer: 303; conflict: 1306 (i suppose packages)
00:33<chaos>any ideas? :)
00:35<babilen>chaos: Sure, run aptitude full-upgrade -- You are not running squeeze, right?
00:35<chaos>testing
00:36<babilen>chaos: There is a channel for that (#debian-next) -- Just run a full-upgrade, it is needed.
00:37<stew>chaos: or use apt-get for the big upgrade, which doesn't have the brain capacity to over think the big upgrade as much as aptitude does
00:37<chaos>:)
00:37<babilen>chaos: If you are not aware of the differences between "safe-ugrade" and "full-upgrade" I would recommend to read "man aptitude" -- It essentially boils down to the removal of packages.
00:38<chaos>distupgrade?
00:38<babilen>chaos: And yeah, apt-get might not overthink this, but this is typical for safe-upgrade vs full-upgrade.
00:38<chaos>is a dist-upgrade what i need or just upgrade?
00:39<babilen>chaos: Yes, but that name is obsolete.
00:39<babilen>chaos: You want "aptitude full-upgrade"
00:39<babilen>chaos: (or apt-get dist-upgrade)
00:39<chaos>thank you
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00:40<chaos>gonna give aptitude one more chance ... if it can't get the job done till tomorrow i'll go back to the good-old trusty apt-get :)
00:42*babilen whispers full-upgrade
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00:43<babilen>chaos: This is a "normal" upgrade within wheezy? Not the squeeze→wheezy upgrade, right?
00:43<chaos>dunno
00:43<chaos>haven't run upgrade for ages :P
00:43<babilen>That is not really recommended.
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00:44<babilen>But meh, have fun. aptitude should be done by now.
00:44<sney>how long is ages?
00:44<sney>and does it say 'wheezy' in your sources.list or does it say 'testing'?
00:44<chaosIrs1i>open: 7262; closed: 20126; defer: 48; conflict: 62 oNo solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n]y
00:44<chaosIrs1i>Resolving dependencies...
00:45<chaosIrs1i>open: 11528; closed: 114566; defer: 136; conflict: 191
00:45<sney>don't paste that here.
00:47<chaosIrs1i>it says testing
00:48<babilen>chaos: And when was your last upgrade?
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00:48<chaosIrs1i>no idea
00:48<babilen>4 years? 10 years? 2 months?
00:48<chaosIrs1i>a year ago? 2?
00:48<babilen>*sigh*
00:48<babilen>sney: Can you take this? I head to bed :)
00:49<sney>chaosIrs1i: ok, so you're upgrading from squeeze to wheezy.
00:49<babilen>or from pre-squeeze to wheezy
00:49<chaosIrs1i>i'm a follower of the "don't fix it if it ain't broke" rule :)
00:50<sney>since the last time you upgraded, testing was frozen, released as stable, and work was started on a new testing
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00:50<sney>since your sources.list says 'testing', you are now trying to skip all of that and move to where testing is right now
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00:51<sney>the most painless way to accomplish this upgrade would probably be to uninstall damn near everything, then apt-get dist-upgrade, then install the stuff you need.
00:52<sney>it's all going to be replaced anyway. this way, there will be fewer transitional headaches.
00:52<chaosIrs1i>well i'm looking for the solution which involves the least human input :)
00:52<sney>that's it.
00:52<bones_was_here>sney: maybe he should try upgrading to current stable, since its newer than his testing
00:52<sney>well, besides backing up /home and doing a fresh install.
00:52<sney>bones_was_here: but unknown how much upgrade he's done already.
00:53<bones_was_here>yeah true
00:53<bones_was_here>it isn't -that- hard to get out of this if you know what you're doing
00:53<bones_was_here>but pretty hard for someone else to give instructions on how to do it
00:54<sney>strip the system down to the bare essentials, dist-upgrade *that*, then install what you need. That's my story and I'm sticking to it
00:54<chaosIrs1i>it wants to remove 88 packages, leave another 30 at their current version and ~10 dependencies unresolved
00:54<bones_was_here>chaosIrs1i: if you want a system that works reliably, doesnt need to be fixed when it doesnt work, and requires little human input, you should use stable releases
00:54<bones_was_here>er
00:54<bones_was_here>*doesnt need to be fixed when it isnt broken
00:55<bones_was_here>testing and unstable need to be treated like rolling release distros, ie they're high maintenance and you need to know how to resolve these kinds of situations
00:56<sney>chaosIrs1i: if you continue the way you're going, chances are very good you'll end up with a broken system.
00:56<chaosIrs1i>yay... i'll just quit it then :P
00:57<sney>did you do any of the upgrades yet or did you just stop at aptitude's first output?
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00:57<chaosIrs1i>i think i haven't let it upgrade squat yet
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00:58<sney>ok, so bones's other suggestion may work.
00:58<sney>open your sources.list and replace where it says 'testing' with 'squeeze'
00:58<sney>then aptitude update and try again
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00:58<chaosIrs1i>and will not that break my system for sure if i have any wheezy in it yet?
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00:59<sney>it's much less likely to break your system then trying to jump to current wheezy from circa-2010 squeeze
00:59<bones_was_here>^ this will probably still cause issues, but there will be less, at least, than you have now, and you'll be upgrading to something appropriate for the way you use the machine
00:59<sney>exactly. if you want to leave it forever and not touch upgrades, stable is what you want.
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01:03<mplicit>how do I set the default dimensions of the gnome terminal?
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01:06<chaosIrs1i>http://paste.debian.net/122288/ <-- does that look safe?
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01:08<sney>chaosIrs1i: is that safe-upgrade or full-upgrade?
01:08<chaosIrs1i>full
01:09<sney>can you pastebin your sources.list just so I can check?
01:09<chaosIrs1i>http://paste.debian.net/122289/
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01:10<sney>yeah, do it
01:12<chaosIrs1i>thx
01:12<sney>you'll have to do a few more probably
01:13<chaosIrs1i>well... i'll do that another time :)
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02:00<tehrabbitt>I have an ATI 5770 graphics card I just picked up... I noticed that on boot, both monitors display the exact same thing all the way into the login prompt for KDE... I log in, and I see my taskbar on the right side, rather than the left.... I try to select multiple monitors in sys settings, but it says that this system does not appear to have multiple monitors... I'm lost :-\
02:02<tehrabbitt>any ideas?
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02:09<tehrabbitt>ok, figured out that if I swap the DVI cables, the monitors switch sides... however... I notice, one of the monitors will only go as high as 1024x768 however i KNOW the monitor is capable of 1280x1024.... the monitor in quesiton is VGA... any ideas?
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02:37<Quite>updating the kernel to 2.6.38 from the backports solved my issue with the backlight not switching off on the samsung r540. hallelujah
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02:37<Quite>thank you debian
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02:51<madadam1>Hi, I have a debian pc that works like an ap using hostapd, how can I control the hosts connected to the ap?
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03:23<varun>Hi, I needed some help executing a command bones_was_here had recommended yesterday. To check if there are any hardware faults with a harddrive that is throwing up filesystem panic errors, he had suggested to boot from a USB and dump a large file on the device raw (not the filesystem) and then run a checksum. If the checksum matched, then the blocks were probably ok. If not, then there was probably a corruption. I am quite new to linux, and not sure how to e
03:23<varun>xecute this command. Could anyone help?
03:24<helino>hello everyone! If I have installed a local .deb package with dpkg --ignore-deps, because I installed the deps myself (some boost libraries not avialable), can I tell apt to not consider it broken?
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03:29<__Alex_>helino: Apt considers it broken maybe because you haven't installed all the dependencies of the deb, and BTW, NEVER install a package from a diferrent release of Debian or a different OS
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03:30<th>varun, can you paste the command to any pastebin?
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03:31<__Alex_>helino: If you want to inport apps from different Releases, or OSs, backport them, don't just install them
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03:32<jm_>varun: which command exactly?
03:34<varun>th: there aren't any commands yet - I need to figure them out
03:34<varun>jm_: I assume I need to use dd
03:34<jm_>varun: dd, cat, ...
03:34<varun>The objective is to copy a large media file onto the raw
03:34<th>how large the disk is?
03:34<varun>It is 8 GB
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03:35<varun>The thing is I don't know how to phrase the dd command, so jm_ could you potentially elaborate?
03:35<helino>__Alex_: thanks for your help. The reason I did this was because the package depended on libboost-system1.40.0 and only libboost-system.1.42.0 was available in the repo (Ubuntu 11.04). So I compiled boost1.40 myself, and told dpkg to ignore that dep. Is there a better way to do this?
03:35<jm_>varun: cat foo > /dev/bar, be very careful obviously
03:35<th>cat /dev/sda | md5sum
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03:36<th>oh
03:36<varun>jm_: What's the worst that could happen?
03:36<th>into the device
03:36<varun>Also, what does it do?
03:36<jm_>varun: you'll overwrite something on the device that you didn't want to
03:40<__Alex_>helino: Well, does it really prefer an older release over a never one? What does it say? libboost-system <= 1.40.0
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03:43<helino>__Alex_: it says libboost-system >= 1.40.0-1, and I did install libboost-system1.42.0 from the repo, but that didn't work (note that boost isn't binary compatible between releases)
03:43<varun>jm_: Apologies if these questions may seem stupid, but what is 'foo', and '/dev/bar'. I booted from my USB (by loading into the RAM), and there is no 'bar' entry in /dev
03:44<jm_>!tell varun -about foo
03:44<jm_>varun: you need to replace foo and bar with appropriate values :)
03:44<varun>Ok :)
03:45<varun>So if my partitions are usually hda1, hda2, etc., and I want to write to raw
03:45<varun>I should replace /dev/bar with /dev/hda?
03:45<varun>And foo with the media file I want to write?
03:45<varun>I have deleted all the partitions already
03:45<__Alex_>You want to rewrite the whole Disk, or just the partition?
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03:45<__Alex_>Aha
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03:46<__Alex_>Yes
03:47<varun>__Alex_: that was referring to my question right? Not helino's?
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03:48<varun>jm_: also if I write to raw, how would I reverse it (or how would I delete of the raw). Just want to cover my tracks by making sure I can go back on what I've done
03:49<__Alex_>Yes, to your it was
03:51<th>varun, do you want to make a backup of that device first?
03:51<__Alex_>varun: You can just use gParted to make a new Partition table and then add partitions (SWAP=2x you'r ram, /=All that's left)
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03:52<jm_>varun: just create partitions again and populate file-systems
03:53<varun>ok, so that'll overwrite anything on raw? I can't use gparted, etc - cause I don't have a GUI - everything is command line. I am working through the serial on an embedded device
03:54<varun>I'm just going to create a 7Gig file with dd, and then copy that to raw. Do the checksum in both places and see if they match up - should tell me if the hda has bad blocks
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03:54<helino>in case anyone want to know, I followed theses instrusctions to lie to apt about the deps: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=187293 . Not the cleanest solution, but it works for now...:)
03:55<__Alex_>!ubuntu
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03:56<__Alex_>What's wrong with dpkg the Bot? He doesn't seem to work
03:56<TCW>__Alex_, it is just not here...
03:57<th>sulking
03:57<__Alex_>aHA
03:57<TCW>mybe it got split away...
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03:57<jm_>varun: if the file is shorter than the device, make sure you use the right way to compare check-sum
03:57<varun>which is?
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04:01<jm_>%check iso image
04:01<dselect>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the iso image on the mirror.
04:01<jm_>similar to this
04:03<varun>oh, I was simply gonna md5sum and check both
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04:37<cristina>ok
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04:37<cristina>kien eres?¿
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05:02<tt>hi, I have here a debian squeeze that was installed without the "standard" (or "base"?) packages (the option in task-sel at the end of installation). If I call task-sel now, I don't have this option anymore. Can I install some meta-package?
05:02<tt>There are lots of small tools missing, like time etc.
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05:04<jm_>tt: aptitude can do this
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05:05<lindi->tt: sudo tasksel install standard?
05:05<tt>lindi-: thx, looks good
05:05<varun>jm_: how would I checksum a file in /dev/hda? It isn't a directory
05:06<tt>lindi-: or not
05:06<varun>th: how would I checksum a file in /dev/hda? It isn't a director
05:06<tt># tasksel install standard
05:06<tt>tasksel: aptitude failed (255)
05:07<tt>jm_: how can aptitude do this?
05:07<jm_>varun: please don't ask specific people/repeat questions - the same way you generate it for a file : md5sum /dev/hda, but like I said before, if your device is bigger than the file you have written to it, your checksum won't match
05:07<jm_>tt: ~p
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05:07<themill>"aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"
05:08<jm_>see people can read my mind
05:08<tt>thanks, folks
05:09<tt>I installed postfix afterwards which is now conflicting with exim
05:09<themill>tt: yes, you should only have one m-t-a installed
05:09<tt>probably the reason why the first approach didnt work
05:09<tt>I only have one
05:09<themill>yep, tasksel isn't that bright
05:09<varun>jm_: thanks for the answer, and point noted :)
05:09<tt>but ~p wants exim again
05:10<themill>tt: how did you install postfix?
05:10<tt>themill: apt-get install postfix? ;)
05:10<tt>what do you mean?
05:10<themill>that should have removed exim
05:10<tt>yes it has
05:10<tt>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
05:10<tt> postfix: Conflicts: mail-transport-agent which is a virtual package.
05:10<tt> exim4-daemon-light: Conflicts: mail-transport-agent which is a virtual package.
05:10<tt> exim4-config: Conflicts: postfix but 2.7.1-1+squeeze1 is installed.
05:10<tt>The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
05:10<tt> Remove the following packages:
05:10<tt>1) postfix
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05:10<tt>sry for long outout
05:10<jm_>say N
05:10<themill>(please use a pastebin)
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05:13<themill>if saying "N" doesn't convince aptitude to come up a better solution (it should), then "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant ~nexim_"
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05:17<tt>themill: thx, i just removed postfix to make aptitude happy and installed it afterwards again
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05:28<melkart>whenever i try to switch on recording in the gnome mixer, when i close and restart, it is switched off again, like this: http://picpaste.com/pics/Bildschirmfoto-Lautstaerkeregler__HDA_NVidia__Alsa_mixer_-04Rvs9hK.1310104157.png i can't get my microphone working. does anybody have an idea what i could do?
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05:32<jm_>melkart: try changing it and run alsactl store
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05:33<melkart>jm_: thank you, but that didnt work
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05:34<jm_>melkart: does it not write info for it in this file? i'll be away for a while now
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05:37<melkart>jm_: i dont know, the command didnt give me any output. i just tried "alsactl restore", when i look at the gnome mixer now, recording is (still - or again?) switched off
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05:37<melkart>jm_: i dont know how this works
05:40<nde_at_end>do you know where I can find documentation about openldap on squeeze ?
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06:01<Fudgey_>hi ive been trying to find out why when i install new kernels i also get .dbg which is huge. how can i avoid it and is it because i have/have not got something else installed?
06:04<ayaka>Fudgey_, do you install kernel by aptitube?
06:04<Fudgey_>via apt-get
06:05<Fudgey_>from sid, linux-image-2.6.39 and im using 686-pei
06:05<Fudgey_>im doing it via an update script, so maybe i have doen something wrong
06:05<Torsten_W>it's the wron channel for sid
06:06<Torsten_W>+g
06:06<Fudgey_>i had the exact same problem when i was doing it from squeeze backports
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06:06<Torsten_W>Fudgey_, pastebin the output of dpkg -l | grep linux-image
06:06<Fudgey_>i dont understand why dbg gets installed and adds like 1.4gig to the install
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06:07<Fudgey_>this includes and when i installed it http://pastebin.com/jJJN645r
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06:08<Fudgey_>i can still pastebin what you suggested if that pastebin wasnt good enough
06:08<babilen>Torsten_W: fwiw -- dpkg -l 'linux-image*' -- works just as well and involves less pipes.
06:10<Torsten_W>babilen, but the grep only shows installed packages
06:10<Torsten_W>i don't want to see packages, which are not installed
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06:11<Fudgey_>this is how it looked from the netinstall with ssh http://pastebin.com/vt5qEA0A
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06:12<babilen>Torsten_W: Right! I'd use "aptitude search ~i~n^linux-image" for that, but meh.
06:12<Fudgey_>sorry Torsten_W there were just two originally http://pastebin.com/ys69yj5T
06:13<Torsten_W>Fudgey_, apt-get install linux-image-2.6.39 <== that's your fault
06:13<Fudgey_>is it the megapackage that is causing the problems?
06:13<Fudgey_>meta
06:13<Torsten_W>linux-image-2.6.39 <== this is not a meta
06:14<Fudgey_>what should i be installing to update the kernel to say bp 2.6.38-2 to only get the new image for the current arch?
06:15<Fudgey_>oh i see
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06:15<Fudgey_>Torsten_W i dont know why i didnt notice that before
06:16<Fudgey_>do i need the linux-headers at all?
06:17<Torsten_W>if you need to build external kernelmodules, yes
06:17<Torsten_W>if not, no
06:18<Fudgey_>what i need then is linux-image-2.6.39-2-686-pae
06:19<Fudgey_>Torsten_W ext kern modules, such as compiling new things into the kernel? everything works as it is and i dont think need to do that, :)
06:19<Torsten_W>no
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06:19<Fudgey_>im a bit slow picking some stuf fup sorry lol
06:19<Torsten_W>what you need is linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem
06:19<Torsten_W>this is the meta-package for the kernel
06:20<Fudgey_>oh oh
06:20<Fudgey_>a metapackage is like a package that provides a list of packages to isntall?
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06:21<devil>Fudgey_: yes, and an ext module could also be a proprietara gfx-driver for nvidia or ati
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06:22<Fudgey_>is what you said a squeeze kernel?
06:22<Fudgey_>i wanted a higher kernel because speakup ships static in the kernel, instead of having to rebuild it on new installs
06:24<Torsten_W>what does apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem tell you?
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06:26<Fudgey_>N: Unable to locate package tell
06:26<Fudgey_>everything else i believe sid installed none
06:27<Torsten_W>no prosa
06:27<jm_>heh
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06:27<Torsten_W>facts
06:27<Fudgey_>http://pastebin.com/KavknwpM
06:27<Torsten_W>what should that be?
06:27<Torsten_W>will you joke us?
06:27<Fudgey_>im lost
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06:28<Torsten_W>is it hard to type ' apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem' in a terminal?
06:28<Fudgey_>it must be if i didnt do it right Torsten_W
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06:29<Fudgey_>http://pastebin.com/JfBM9Vpt
06:30<Fudgey_>i didnt see the part you siad on the end when i pasted
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06:30<Fudgey_>i use text to speech fyi
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06:32<varun>!IDENTIFY
06:32<jm_>Fudgey_: did you note this in the output "2.6.39+35.1 0" ?
06:33<Fudgey_>yes i just upgraded to that tonight, but due to my noobness its the same problem i was having with earlier kernels, not understandign enough to figure out why i was including everything, instead of the metapackage
06:34<Fudgey_>think ill just stick with the standard kernel and people will have to upon installing a new kernel rebuild speakup
06:34<jm_>so installing this package shall be OK for you
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06:36<Fudgey_>jm_ what do you mean?
06:37<Fudgey_>oh jm_ to install 2.6.39+35.1 you mean?
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06:37<jm_>Fudgey_: wasn't the idea to have it install the latest kernel?
06:37<Fudgey_>yes
06:37<jm_>Fudgey_: yup
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06:38<Fudgey_>as this is targetted for blind ppl and its noot nice to lose console speech just because you updated a kernel, 2.6.37+ includes speakup in the kernels now
06:39<jm_>yeah you just need to ensure they have backports in sources.list for squeeze (it provides 2.6.38)
06:39<Fudgey_>thats how i did it initally
06:39<Fudgey_>initially, i thought it was going to work well but i must have just chose the wrong kernel
06:40<Fudgey_>it really confuses me, why 486 686 amd64 dbg all these images were being installed
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06:41<gnugr>Fudgey_:do you have unstable lines(sid) in sources.list?
06:41<jm_>it even tells you why: Note, selecting 'linux-image-2.6.39-2-amd64' for regex 'linux-image-2.6.39'
06:41<Fudgey_>As I am trying to make sure everything will work from a basic install as a netinstall i wanted to like install a kernel that matches the arch of the system and the same with currently as i remove the other installed images before building the iso accept linux-imgae uname -r
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06:41<jm_>so basically "linux-image-2.6.39" is not the exact package name so it installs all packages matching it
06:41<MrFrood>gnugr: stable gets kernel updates too
06:41<Fudgey_>oh well tha tmakes sense
06:41<jm_>i guess it's trying to be user-friendly which works better for other packages
06:42<Fudgey_>very stupid oversight on my behalf
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06:42<gnugr>sure MrFrood, with bpo
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06:42<Fudgey_>jm_ before this buils an iso i have apt-get purge -y -qq linux-image* | grep -v linux-image-$(uname -r)
06:42<MrFrood>Fudgey_: each one is optimized for a differn't architecture
06:43<Fudgey_>but i couldnt find a uname switch or a way to install the kernel for the current arch
06:43<MrFrood>gnugr: was not talking about 2.6.39 specifically
06:43<gnugr>i know m8
06:43<jm_>Fudgey_: you mean to install the most suitable kernel?
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06:44<MrFrood>Fudgey_: is the speach a kernel module?
06:44<varun>Would anyone know if the 'head' command has a limit to the size possible?
06:45*gnugr wonders what packages Fudgey_ needs
06:45<Fudgey_>yes thats right, speakup is in the kernel, i have installed currently Linux vinux 2.6.38-bpo.2-686-bigmem #1 SMP Tue Jun 14 12:25:05 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
06:46<Fudgey_>oops didnt mean uname -a, but i do wonder which i cant find in man what flags calls i686 there so i can with the script install the best kernel for the persons computer
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06:46<Fudgey_>to get tts in a console basically alsa espeakup speech-dispatcher and kernel modules for speakup
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06:47<jm_>Fudgey_: I would install the same one as the installer puts on, so parse that out
06:48<Fudgey_>vinux is linux for the blind, it originally was based on debian, then moved and im porting the vinuxscripts back to debian, in a git branch for some of us that want debian systems as well, plus i think that vinux has good goals and its nice to get an accessible system ready to go working with console/X speech straight from a live cd without the need of sighted assistance. so though i def appear to have low skills i am determinned.
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06:49<Fudgey_>6.0.2 is shipping with 2.6.32-5 isnt it?
06:49<MrFrood>question to the forum re Fudgey's stuff - should not debian be offering kernels with the text to speach built in, after all a sighted person would not be happy if the kernel came without vidio support..?
06:50<Fudgey_>MrFrood kernels after 2.6.37 have it included, which is why im wanting to upgrade this :)
06:51<themill>the squeeze kernel has CONFIG_SPEAKUP=m (that's all I can tell you about it)
06:51<MrFrood>Fudgey_: ok with you now but I still think this is a fail of the current standard stable kernel
06:52<MrFrood>Fudgey_: so bpo would cover you on the speech thing?
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06:52<MrFrood>Fudgey_: I'm asking because I have a nerd'ish blind friend who has been asking about linux
06:52<jm_>so what's the difference to 2.6.39 then? it's built-in as opposed to modular?
06:53<Fudgey_>jm_ i really dont know
06:53<MrFrood>jm_: if modulur, no speech on kernel update
06:53<Fudgey_>its not a biggy for me, im very happy to jsut use a bp one
06:53<jm_>Fudgey_: try grep SPEAKUP /boot/config-*
06:54<Fudgey_>do u want the output?
06:54<Fudgey_>basically all the modules are there
06:54<MrFrood>Fudgey_: use a pastebin for any output
06:54<jm_>well I was thinking it would be more interesting for you ;)
06:54<Fudgey_>grep SPEAKUP /boot/config-*
06:54<Fudgey_>opos
06:54<Fudgey_>http://pastebin.com/Rh6GJRkU
06:55<Fudgey_>MrFrood id be more than happy to help your friend
06:55<jm_>Fudgey_: so that's the same as 2.6.32 kernel
06:55<Fudgey_>the state of gnome-orca with firefox though is not a good experience if your friend has had experience with windows/jaws
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06:56<Fudgey_>jm_ im just confused now
06:56<Fudgey_>that is good though
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06:56<jm_>Fudgey_: well perhaps it's another one that is relevant, I'm not familiar with it
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06:57<MrFrood>Fudgey_: thanks for the offer but if after 11 years of messing with *nix I'can't figure it out I'll sell the computers and buy some dot-to-dot books
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06:57<MrFrood>Fudgey_: any other browsers better?
06:58<MrFrood>Fudgey_: any mail lists etc I should know about
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06:59<Fudgey_>loL MrFrood , I enjoy it. but yeah for soft synths speakup in kernel, speech-dispatcher controls the sound server for speech, then espeakup or speechd-up espeakup is better, but speechd-up allows extra voices such as the mac voices cepstral sells, or oralux which is the debricated viavoice that jaws uses updated libraries of, eloquence. then muffled pico voices
06:59<Fudgey_>debian accessibility vinux-support vinux-development speechd mailing lists, be good start
07:00<Fudgey_>ill run anothe rbuild with standard kernel
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07:00<MrFrood>Fudgey_: I've observed my friend using jaws and I'm always quite impessed by it all
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07:01<ayaka>I want to know whether linux supports usb to parallet ports device
07:01<Fudgey_>its expensive though MrFrood
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07:01<MrFrood>I know
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07:01<Fudgey_>i have win7 on my netbook dual boot just for working with clients as i work i nadaptive technology but when im in windows its hard to get used to even just one desktop or not being able to grep somethign as easily loL
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07:02<Fudgey_>unles of course you stumble across those jaws 12 dll that does pretty things to auth
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07:03<koosha>why does 'x86_64' appear in uname of i386?
07:03<koosha>that seems so foolish
07:03<koosha>and causes many problems
07:04<Fudgey_>arent the jig images multi arch?
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07:05<jm_>ayaka: some seem to be supported
07:05<ayaka>kolter, are you sure the OS installed is AMD64?
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07:05<ayaka>jm_, can you give me a list?
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07:06<jm_>ayaka: quick search found this one USS720 parport driver
07:07<ayaka>kolter, sorry
07:07<koosha>nobody answers me!
07:07<ayaka>koosha, are you sure the OS installed is AMD64? if you install debian x86 it will show like it
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07:07<koosha>I'm pretty sure
07:08<koosha>the installed is i386
07:08<koosha>but it shows x86_64
07:08<koosha>it prevents me from doing some things
07:08<jm_>it must be running a 64bit kernel
07:08<koosha>how can you switch to a 32-bit kernel?~
07:09<abrotman>koosha: dpkg --print-architecture
07:09<jm_>compare "uname -m" and "dpkg --print-architecture"
07:09<ayaka>koosha, reinstall
07:09<varun>jm_: the command you suggested if the file is not the size of the hda seems to be throwing up some error - do you know if there are some size limitations there?
07:09<koosha>root@debian:koosha# dpkg --print-architecture
07:09<koosha>i386
07:09<jm_>varun: please always mention the exact error message, not "some error"
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07:11<tingle>morning
07:11<varun>jm_: i did mention it, a little above. Here goes though:
07:11<varun>I was using the command: dd if=/dev/hda | head -c 'stat -c %s zerofile.tst' | md5sum
07:11<varun>but it gives an error: "head: invalid number 'stat -c %s zerofile.tst'
07:11<varun>In fact, even if I enter: dd if=/dev/hda | head -c 7168000000 | md5sum, it gives an error "head: invalid number '7168000000'"
07:12<varun>It seems as if there is a limitation to the size of that number to about 4.2 GB. Is that true?
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07:12<abrotman>ayaka: that's silly .. awful advice
07:13<ayaka>abrotman, I know but I don't know another way, can you tell me
07:13<abrotman>ayaka: how about getting more information first?
07:13<themill>ayaka: another way to do what? the only problem here is that there is no problem...
07:13<jm_>varun: that sounds like a 32bit limit
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07:14<ayaka>abrotman, you means I shall just look?
07:14<Torsten_W>varun, your 1st command shold be dd if=/dev/hda | head -c `stat -c %s zerofile.tst` | md5sum
07:14<ayaka>themill, but why the uname show x86_64
07:14<themill>ayaka: because you're running a 64 bit kernel, apparently.
07:14<Torsten_W>varun, see the difference beween ' and `
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07:15<ayaka>themill, not me,why koosha's uname show x86_64
07:16<themill>ayaka: because he's running a 64 bit kernel, apparently.
07:16<jm_>varun: to avoid this problem I recommend you create a file that first your entire block device
07:16<jm_>fits, not first
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07:17<Fudgey_>is it wise to update sources.list to include multimedia repo?
07:17<Torsten_W>if you like problems
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07:17<amitz>but normally it works, the debian-multimedia.org
07:18<amitz>but don't expect here if it breaks ;-)
07:18<amitz>help
07:19<Fudgey_>can i ask though, after adding the repo do i apt-get update or get the key, does the key come from that repo?
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07:21<jm_>Fudgey_: keyring package for dmm comes from there yes
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07:23<mercutio22>been trying to make an IDE called geany understand the environment variable PYTHONPATH I set in ~.bashrc and I found this: http://www.joshstaiger.org/archives/2005/07/bash_profile_vs.html. Now I tried to follow the concluding recommendation but that hasn't worked here. Where should I set this PYTHONPATH so my gui IDE recognizes it?
07:23<abrotman>mercutio22: what's wrong with the geany package in Debian ?
07:23<Fudgey_>wouldnt the update after adding it though fail because the key isnt installeD?
07:24<jm_>it will give you a warning and demand that you type YES to proceed
07:24<stew>Fudgey_: no, it would warn you, not fail
07:24<jm_>mercutio22: does it work if you start it from a terminal?
07:24<mercutio22>abrotman: nothing wrong with it. It seems I should not be setting PYTHONPATH in ~.bashrc because geany does not understand that
07:24<mercutio22>jm_: yes
07:25<Fudgey_>ah that stage i use --force-yes :)
07:25<jm_>mercutio22: so what's the issue then? starting it from your desktop menu?
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07:26<mercutio22>jm_: yeah, for instance. Or launching it via gnome panel or run command shortcut ALT+F2
07:27<estudante>hi
07:27<stew>mercutio22: why do you need to set PYTHONPATH at all?
07:28<jm_>mercutio22: even if you login again?
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07:29<mercutio22>stew: so I can avoid typing absolute paths to some python modules I have lying in non-standard locations
07:29<varun>jm_: got disconnected again, could you please resend the message in case you had replied?
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07:29<mercutio22>jm_: yes. Even then...
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07:29<jm_>varun: that sounds like a 32bit limit; to avoid this problem I recommend you create a file that first your entire block device
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07:30<varun>ok, how would I do that - how do I check the exact size of harddrive?
07:30<jm_>varun: cat /proc/partitions
07:30<stew>mercutio22: well if it were me, i'd put the modules into standard locations
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07:31<jm_>mercutio22: you could set it/source it in ~/.xsession or similar
07:32<jm_>varun: note that the value there is in blocks
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07:32<mercutio22>stew: yea... maybe I should but the problem is I update those a lot and keep them in sync across different machines using a dropbox folder. I CCCCconsider sharing a system folder
07:33<mercutio22>oops
07:33<mercutio22>my brain is failing
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07:35<mercutio22>What is the standard place for python modules anyway?
07:35<estudante>mercutio22: calm
07:35<stew>mercutio22: /usr/local/lib/pythonX.X/site-packages
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07:37<mercutio22>stew: would it work if I put all my sources in a subfolder there?
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07:38<mercutio22>stew: no can't do
07:39<mercutio22>hasn't fixed the geany problemo
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07:40<themill>(might be dist-packages depending on the version of python you're using)
07:44<mercutio22>themill: 2.6.7
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07:44<mercutio22>sigh.. unix can be quite complex at times
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07:45<themill>"/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages" is on sys.path for python2.6 onwards
07:45<varun>jm_: thanks for the pointer. I was using a dd command to create the file, and in that I was mentioning the block size and the number of blocks. (basically 1kb blocks and 7G of blocks). how would I use the actual number of blocks?
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07:46<jm_>varun: well you can say bs=1024 count=number_from_/proc/partitions IIRC
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07:47<mercutio22>themill: thanks. Geany still don't understand that though
07:47<mercutio22>but maybe it really is a geany thingy
07:48<mercutio22>let me focus on that then
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07:48<varun>jm_: IIRC?
07:48<jm_>%IIRC
07:48<dselect>IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly"
07:48<themill>I doubt that geany would be removing things from sys.path but it may not search the entire path for modules.
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07:49<varun>ah
07:49<varun>:)
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07:51<mercutio22>brb
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07:52<ross232>Can't believe I didn't try Debian earlier. Finally found a stable distribution :)
07:52<swarna>how to generate index files for the repository in which i have two distributions of debian namely lenny and squeeze
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08:06<Fudgey_>when i spoke earlier about multi-media, these packages are only available from that debian repo? libdvdcss2 w32codecs skype
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08:07<Black_Prince>Fudgey_: dmm?
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08:07<babilen>Fudgey_: hmm
08:08<babilen>Fudgey_: skype also has its own repo IIRC
08:09<Fudgey_>yes dmm
08:09<Fudgey_>oh skypes not in any debian repos?
08:09<jm_>no
08:09<lindi->Fudgey_: debian is a free operating system. skype is non-free :)
08:10<Fudgey_>why does it class as nonfree, because there are licensing?
08:11<lindi->Fudgey_: because you can't share and change it
08:11<chocobo>I erm... need some help. I want a mIRC-like chat client. Is Xchat a good alternative?
08:12<Black_Prince>use irssi ... :P
08:12<chocobo>Eh?
08:12<lindi->chocobo: I switched to quassel a month ago
08:12<jm_>chocobo: try it and see
08:12<lindi->chocobo: give it a try
08:13<chocobo>Which package do I get from the software center?
08:13<Fudgey_>chocobo you can if you really want to use mIRC with wine
08:13<Fudgey_>lindi- i understand, not open souce
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08:14<lindi->chocobo: quassel
08:14<chocobo>There's 4 different Quassels.
08:14<lindi->chocobo: yes, get 'quassel'
08:14<bernat>Fudgey_: the README in libdvdread4 says to use the repo in http://unofficial.debian-maintainers.org/ to install CSS support
08:14<chocobo>lol, nvm
08:15<Fudgey_>bernat Whats CSS?
08:15<chocobo>WHAT?
08:15<chocobo>CSS is everything.
08:16<Fudgey_>isnt it a stylesheet loL
08:16<jm_>in this context it's decss that is meant
08:16<Fudgey_>cascade style sheet or something
08:16<Zaba>css is the dvd encryption stuff.
08:16<chocobo>Zaba? That frog thing?
08:16<Fudgey_>oh part of our script and easyinstall scripts allow users to install nonfree stuff like codecs that we cant ship with in some countries etc
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08:17<Zaba>nothing to do with frogs, but congratulations on being the 10,000th person asking that
08:17<Fudgey_>which i guess is pretty standard
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08:17<Fudgey_>loL
08:17<chocobo>XD
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08:19<chocobo>So this Quassel thing... can I just make scripts with the text editor and place them in a directory?
08:20<bernat>Fudgey_: CSS is what you want from libdvdcss2, I guess :)
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08:21<bernat>Fudgey_: I don't need w32codecs since long
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08:22<bernat>Fudgey_: skype has to be downloaded and installed from its web
08:22<Fudgey_>tks
08:22<Black_Prince>skype has it's repo, but it isn't signed
08:22<bernat>I used Debian Multimedia but not anymore since I don't really need it
08:22<bernat>it gives some problems
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08:24<chocobo>I finished downloading Quassel; how do I install it?
08:24<babilen>huh?
08:24<babilen>chocobo: You are running Debian aren't you?
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08:25<chocobo>Ubuntu
08:25<chocobo>So yes
08:25<babilen>%ubuntuirc
08:25<dselect>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
08:25<chocobo>Ah, sorry about that.
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08:26<babilen>chocobo: And you want to install packages with a package manager. You do not have to download applications manually, just use aptitude, apt-get or one of the other package managers. But please ask further questions in the #ubuntu channel.
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08:27<babilen>chocobo: No problem, the "you are using debian" question was rather meant to express my surprise that you did not use the package manager. As it turns out it was the best question I could answer. Good luck!
08:27<Quite>ubuntu is not debian
08:27<Quite>never forget that
08:28<chocobo>It's a port of debian.
08:28<Quite>it's only *based* on debian
08:28<chocobo>Details..
08:28<Quite>yup, in a way
08:28<abrotman>chocobo: no, it's not
08:28<babilen>lets not have this discussion again, please. :)
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08:28<abrotman>chocobo: it is another OS that uses .deb packages .. it is not supported in this channel
08:28<Quite>it's not a port... that's a too nice word
08:28<babilen>%tell chocobo about based on debian
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08:29<Quite>it's basically debian unstable with its own amendments
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08:29<Quite>more or less
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08:29<abrotman>Quite: not anymore
08:29<Quite>well, unity is ubunty proprietary
08:30<Quite>ubuntu even
08:30<Quite>ah you mean it's not based on debian at all
08:30<abrotman>Quite: okay .. done?
08:30<bernat>chocobo: you can find irc support in irc.ubuntu.com
08:30<abrotman>it's not supported here, end of discussion
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08:34<chocobo>Sigh... I almost wish I hadn't wiped my hard drive of Windows..
08:35<abrotman>chocobo: you can get lots of support in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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08:35<chocobo>I know, I know
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08:35<Aleric>My P3-128 SSD only gives 96 MB/s with hdparm :/
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08:35<Aleric>That should be like 400 MB/s
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08:36<devil>Aleric: what make/model?
08:36<Aleric>Corsair P3-128
08:36<abrotman>MB or Mb ?
08:36<devil>Aleric: ist that sata3?
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08:36<Aleric>MB
08:37<Aleric>devil: yes, it's SATA 3 ... It's connected to a SATA 300 PCI card...
08:37<abrotman>Aleric: the specs say 400 read, 200 write
08:37<jm_>what kind of test?
08:37<abrotman>jm_: hdparm he said
08:37<Aleric>abrotman: I'm looking at benchmarks of others.
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08:37<devil>Aleric: what command did you run hdparm with?
08:38<Aleric>How can I see/check if my sata cable is being used at SATA 3 speed?
08:38<Aleric>hdparm -t -T /dev/sdc
08:38<abrotman>(aren't all sata cables the same?)
08:38<jm_>kernel shall report your link speed
08:38<Zaba>Aleric, dmesg should tell you somewhere what speed a device is at
08:38<jm_>but 96MB/s doesn't even max out sata 3Gbps
08:38<Zaba>Aleric, try dmesg|grep SATA
08:38<Aleric>jm_: where can I see that?
08:38<jm_>Aleric: <Zaba> Aleric, dmesg should tell you somewhere what speed a device is at
08:38<Zaba>96MB/s might max out PCI bandwidth, unless you meant PCIe.
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08:39<ross232>Does anyone know how to setup a remote under the 2.6.38 backport kernel? I've got an MCE remote which is detected but not all buttons work.
08:39<devil>Aleric: mine says: Timing buffered disk reads: 1146 MB in 3.01 seconds = 381.36 MB/sec
08:39<Zaba>(but only if it's not the only device on the bus)
08:39<Zaba>Aleric, type 'dmesg | grep SATA' in a terminal
08:39<Zaba>Aleric, it should tell you link speeds, among other things
08:39<Zaba>like, 'SATA link up <something> Gbps'
08:40<Aleric>I'm not sure what ata this drive is on?
08:40<Aleric>[ 2.736154] ata4: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
08:40<Aleric>[ 3.648036] ata6: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)
08:40<Aleric>etc
08:40<jm_>next line will show the device name
08:40<jm_>or model or whatever
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08:41<Zaba>dmesg | grep -A1 'SATA link up'
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08:41<Aleric>[ 2.736154] ata4: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
08:41<Aleric>[ 2.744380] ata4.00: ATA-8: Corsair Performance3 SSD, 1.0, max UDMA/133
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08:43<jm_>so all's fine
08:43<Aleric>So, ... I'd expect to get at LEAST 200 MB/s for sequential reads :/
08:43<Zaba>Aleric, anyway, your sata controller is a pci card? Or a pci-express one?
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08:44<Aleric>http://codepad.org/inBq4f17
08:44<jm_>if it is it's probably faster to use on-board sata 1.5Gbps ports
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08:45<Aleric>jm_: What would be the max bandwidth of that PCI card?
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08:46<Aleric>Wouldn't it be kinda nonsense to sell a "SATA 300" card that can never get close to 3 Gb/s because of the PCI bandwidth :/ I never assumed that could be the problem :/
08:47<Zaba>did you try connecting it to the on-board sata ports and comparing the speed?
08:47<Aleric>I'm not sure I have SATA 3 on board, probably not.
08:48<th>don't worry, my 3G provider sells me a 7.2Mb/s modem for 64kb/s plan
08:48<Zaba>1.5Gbps is 187MB/s, which is better than what you're getting now
08:49<th>AFAIK, PCI is 133MB/s
08:49<jm_>Aleric: it depends on what other devices you have etc., but 133MB/s is max I believe
08:49<Zaba>33MHz 32-bit PCI is 133MB/s, yes. For the whole bus, too.
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08:49<Aleric>What I pasted says it
08:49<Aleric>What I pasted says it's 66MHz
08:50<Zaba>that'd be 266MB/s for the whole bus
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08:50<Zaba>(if the bus is really is 66MHz)
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08:50<Zaba>s/ is//
08:50<jm_>this reminds me I never tried hdparm -t with my ssd, i'll test it just for comparision
08:51<Aleric>Can you suggest another way to benchmark it?
08:51<Zaba>hdparm -t on my netbook's hdd gives me 80MB/s
08:52<jm_>40G intel SSD gives 183MB/s on one machine at work
08:52<Aleric>So, this is REALLY bad (96 MB/s) :/
08:53<Aleric>On the forums people even complained when they only got 200 MB/s
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08:53<heinvd>Hi All
08:53<Zaba>Aleric, try connecting it to an on-board port and comparing, just for science
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08:54<Aleric>Zaba: ok... but I should first find out which ports on board have which speeds I think...
08:55<jm_>they are probably different only if it's a board with sata 6Gbps and 3Gbps ports, which it probably isn't or you wouldn't be buying such a card
08:55<heinvd>i set up a debian lenny server, with postfix and sasl authd..... but when i set up the account in outlook, and send a mail to myself, it works... if i try to send to anyone else, it gives me a relay access denied error.... any help will be appreciated.
08:55<Aleric>Is SATA 2 1.5 Gb/s and SATA 3 3 Gb/s? I thought that SATA 3 was 6 Gb/s ? :/
08:56<Zaba>Aleric, sata 1 is 1.5, sata 2 is 3 and sata 3 is 6 Gb/s
08:56<Zaba>Aleric, but (almost?) nothing can saturate the 6Gb/s bandwidth yet anyway
08:57<jm_>heh those new SF22xx based drives should be very very close
08:57<jm_>but off now
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08:58<Zaba>although.. well, it still makes sense if you have an ssd that saturates 3Gb/s, which isn't that far-fetched
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08:59<heinvd>ehlo
08:59<Aleric>I found my motherboard (P5B Deluxe) user guide, and it says 6 x SATA 3.0 Gb/s ports
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08:59<Aleric>damn, I hate rebooting... but ok
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09:01<steveno>clear
09:01<heinvd>anyone that can assist me with the relay error im getting when sending mail out from outlook?
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09:01<heinvd>using postfix with saslauthd?
09:01<lUtilisateur>Bonjour
09:01<abrotman>!fr
09:01<abrotman>%fr
09:01<dselect>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
09:01<steveno>heinvd:you using OUTLOOK for windows?
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09:02<abrotman>heinvd: does it work without the sasl?
09:02<heinvd>steveno: yes.
09:02<heinvd>abrotman: havn't tried that...
09:03<heinvd>i can send from outlook to myself, and any other user on the box, but the moment i want to send to another domain outside, it gives relay access denied.
09:03<heinvd>im sure i screwed something up in my main.cf file
09:03<steveno>heinvd:OUTLOOK used from "wine" interface in debian linux? or windows OS?
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09:04<heinvd>steveno: outlook is on a windows 7 pc on a different network than the debian box
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09:06<Aleric>Now: [ 7.220072] ata10: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300) [ 7.220314] ata10.00: ATA-8: Corsair Performance3 SSD, 1.0, max UDMA/133
09:06<abrotman>heinvd: there are quite a good number of postfix/sasl docs out there
09:06<abrotman>(on the internet i mean)
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09:08<heinvd>abrotman: i know, but i just can't seem to get this error sorted. spent 2 days on it already.... with no luck... even uninstalled the config and re-setup postfix etc... also tried using exim4 but with no luck
09:08<Aleric> Timing buffered disk reads: 674 MB in 3.00 seconds = 224.39 MB/sec
09:09<Aleric>Well, that's a lot better :)
09:09<abrotman>heinvd: did oyu want ot paste your main.cf somewhere for people to look at?
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09:10<Aleric>How would people make a RAID of 7 fast harddisks if you can't connect a controller to the PCI bus and get decent speeds? :/
09:10<heinvd>where do i paste it?
09:10<abrotman>paste.debian.net
09:10<abrotman>Aleric: magic
09:11<Aleric>I bought the SATA card cause I have more disks than six :/
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09:14<heinvd>sweet... i pasted it at paste.debian.net name hein
09:15<devil>heinvd: it has a new url
09:15<abrotman>heinvd: uh .. pretty sure you want that to be the sender/client restrictions, not recipient
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09:16<heinvd>http://paste.debian.net/122310
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09:17<heinvd>abrotman: i am a noob, and got that from one of the many tutorials i looked at
09:17<abrotman>heinvd: no way
09:17<heinvd>lol
09:18<abrotman>let me read it again
09:19<abrotman>heinvd: try "smtpd_sender_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks"
09:19*abrotman had sasl/tls working .. has a conf file somewhere too!
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09:21<heinvd>cool, restarted postfix
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09:21<heinvd>gonna send a mail quickly
09:22<abrotman>hpoefully you mean?
09:22<heinvd>lol
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09:23<heinvd>received the mail sent from me to me, but it rejected the one to the other domain again
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09:23<abrotman>heinvd: let me see if i can find that file
09:24<heinvd>abrotman, thanks... much appreciated
09:25<heinvd>if it helps, i get the error Jul 8 15:22:03 giantlottos postfix/smtpd[7960]: warning: 41.15.51.69: hostname vc-gp-n-41-15-51-69.umts.vodacom.co.za verification failed: Name or service not known
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09:27<abrotman>heinvd: i msged the URL .. i sanitized it a bit .. use at your own risk :(
09:28<heinvd>:) thanks abrotman... im gonna check it quickly...
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09:35<heinvd>abrotman: it is fine to use the following for the mynetworks setting?
09:35<heinvd>mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 46.4.59.211
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09:35<abrotman>uhm .. seems a bit off
09:36<abrotman>heinvd: you might get more help from #postfix on irc.freenode.net .. a few times i've had questions .. they've been very helpful
09:36<heinvd>best security is that it sends from localhost only, right... 127.0.0.1/8
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09:37<stew>heinvd: i belive mynetworks should be a comma separated list
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09:38<abrotman>ah, yes, that part is true
09:38<abrotman>i'm surprised it starts like that .. so maybe not?
09:39<heinvd>let me see..
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10:12<lucas_>Hello from Utrecht, The Netherlands
10:12<lucas_>I have a question about network bridging
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10:13<lucas_>I want to setup several bridges without I address.
10:13<lucas_>IP address
10:13<lucas_>The idea is to create a number of VMs in separate networks on 1 machine
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10:13<nevyn__>mmm...
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10:13<lucas_>Which line do I need in interfaces for that?
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10:14<nevyn>so you want to make a bunch of bridges between the vm interfaces and seperate physical interfaces?
10:14<lucas_>I tried simply 'iface brlan inet manual' but I don't get a bridge
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10:15<lucas_>nevyn: yes, but the dom0 should not have an IP address on the physical interface
10:15<lucas_>only the VMs
10:15<nevyn>the dom0 has a different interface with an ip tho right?
10:16<mewmin>is debian and Ubuntu the same? almost?
10:16<lucas_>nevyn: well, sort of, I just connect the dom0 to one bridge
10:17<lucas_>for example: my box has 2 physical interfaces, 1xWAN, 1xLAN, I run a firewall in a VM
10:17<lucas_>The firewall should NAT the LAN to the WAN
10:17<lucas_>so I will connect my dom0 to the LAN interface of the firewall
10:17<lucas_>even though the physical WAN interface is n dom0 itself
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10:19<lucas_>put simply (I don't know if I make myself clear), I want to add an entry to interfaces so the bridge will be brought up and nothing more
10:20<lucas_>so it will show up in 'brctl show'
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10:21<bzed>lucas_: man bridge-utils-interfaces
10:21<bzed>lucas_: there should be enough examples
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10:22<bzed>lucas_: what you need at least is a bridge_ports line in your config if I remember right
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10:22<bzed>lucas_: just use none so no interfaces will be added
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10:23<lucas_>ah that was my next question :)
10:23<gnugr>lucas_: what do you have in /etc/network/interfaces
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10:25<lucas_>now it is: iface brlan inet manual
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10:25<lucas_>but nothing happens
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10:25<lucas_>'static' (with no further options) gives an error
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10:26<heinvd>me again
10:26<gnugr>you don't use dhcp?
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10:26<lucas_>gnugr: Well, the idea is that the bridge does not get an IP on dom0
10:27<lucas_>only in my guests, which are connected to the bridge
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10:27<lucas_>so I get some sort of virtual network within my box
10:27<gnugr>oh its virtual
10:28<lucas_>yes, I want to create bridges without IP on the physical machine, and connect the virtual machines to those bridges
10:28<lucas_>It works if I just say 'brctl addbr brlan'
10:28<lucas_>then it also shows up in 'brctl show'
10:29<lucas_>and I can connect VMs to the bridge, which can then see each other when they are both connected to the same bridge
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10:29<lucas_>but the physical host has no IP on that bridge, which is what I want
10:30<lucas_>So the question is: what should I put in interfaces, to have the bridge setup automatically at reboot
10:32<rpetre>lucas_: bridge-utils adds some if-up.d scripts, iirc there are some examples in /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/ (sorry, i don't have at hand any debian machine that has bridges)
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10:33<rpetre>oh, found one, there aren't any examples
10:33<rpetre>wait a sec
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10:35<lucas_>ah the answer was in man bridge-utils-interfaces
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10:35<rpetre>lucas_: http://paste.debian.net/122317/ - this is my current setup
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10:35<lucas_>this worked: add option bridge_ports none
10:35<rpetre>(i only do one eth since i bridge vms to it)
10:36<rpetre>cool
10:36<lucas_>rpetre: thanks
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10:37<rpetre>lucas_: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/bridge does the gory work, it's simple to read once you know that options are passed as IF_NAME variables by ifup
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11:05<johnbender>Hi All
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11:07<johnbender>Please I need help with debian post-installation. I just finished installing squeeze and logged with newly created account. The system is basically empty and I can't find network manager for configuring my connections. Please i need directions.
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11:17<jhutchins_lt>dselect: interfaces
11:17<dselect>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>.
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11:26<johnbender>Please how can I get to see the Network manager GUI app from my non-root login
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11:27<gnugr>johnbender: read above what dselect bot says
11:27<sney>it's included in the desktop environment task, I think. if you didn't select that during your install you can run 'tasksel' and select it again
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11:30<zykotick9>johnbender, if you use Gnome install the network-manager-gnome package (FYI if anything IS configured in /etc/network/interfaces, and if you did minimal it likely is, you need to remove the entry for that interface for NM to config it)
11:30<johnbender>sney: what option do I select when tasksel comes up cos I don't see network manager as a n option there
11:30<sney>desktop environment
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11:31<johnbender>graphical desktop enviroment was highlighted already
11:31<sney>hmm, does network manager exist in your program menu? it might not run by default
11:32<johnbender>not at all, have searched dick and harry for it but can't find it
11:33<sney>ok, do what zykotick9 said
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11:34<johnbender>alright will follow that and see what happens
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11:41<sney>any luck
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11:41<sney>how did you install? network-manager is a gnome dependency so it should be installed by default, unless you went with the kde cd1 or one of the others
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11:41<johnbender>please do you have any idea under waht category to look for network-manager-gnome?
11:42<zykotick9>johnbender, try "nm-applet" (i think) from terminal or alt+f2
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11:43<sney>category? just install it with your package manager. network-manager-gnome is the package name so you can search for it, or use aptitude/apt-get in a terminal
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11:43<zykotick9>johnbender, oh sorry, thought you had it installed
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11:45<johnbender>The problem is I don't have any other means of internet connection except wifi or my huawei modem and i can't get it configured without network manager
11:45<johnbender>any suggestions please?
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11:46<sney>how did you install?
11:46<johnbender>downloaded first cd from debian website from another syste burnt it and installed
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11:47<ompaul>johnbender: huawei modem will work with wvdial
11:47<johnbender>any howtos?
11:47<ompaul>but each supplier is different you'd need to search low and lower for them
11:47<ompaul>s/supplier/isp
11:47<gnewb>ompaul: Thank you.
11:48<sney>johnbender: can you open a terminal and type 'apt-cache search network-manager'
11:48<sney>tell me what it says
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11:48<johnbender>ok
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11:49<johnbender>sney: it returned nothing
11:49<sney>is the install cd still in the drive?
11:49<johnbender>no
11:49<sney>can you put it back in
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11:50<johnbender>yes, i have done so
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11:50<ompaul>run the apt-cache search network-manager again and tell sney what you see
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11:51<sney>scratch that, looks like network-manager isn't on cd1, wtf
11:51<johnbender>did it again it returned nothing still probably there should be a way of directing it to the cd cos it;s not spinning
11:52<johnbender>that's what I suspect
11:52<sney>http://mbalmeida.wordpress.com/2011/04/16/wireless-tools-debian-squeeze/
11:52<sney>this would get you going
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11:52<johnbender>i'm on my way
11:52<sney>or you can download cd2 as well, it's probably on there
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11:53<johnbender>I just don't want to download cd 2 and it's not there
11:53<gianluca>hello. what's the channel for debian italian irc support?
11:53<ompaul>johnbender: did you install the machine attached to the internet?
11:53<ompaul>!it
11:53<ompaul>%it
11:53<dselect>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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11:53<johnbender>ompaul: I downloaded cd1 from debian website
11:54<gianluca>thanks
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11:54<gnewb>Thank you all, good day.
11:54<ompaul>johnbender: was the machine attached to the internet during the install?
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11:55<johnbender>ompaul: I downloaded cd1 from debian website
11:55<johnbender>no it wasn't attached
11:56<ompaul>johnbender: that might be a good idea when installing debian
11:57<sney>I have to leave, I hope you can actually help him fix his problem ompaul
11:57<ompaul>you can do it other ways however I always like to have a wire attached to the internet when I install gives me access to everything
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11:57<johnbender>ok sney thanks for all your help\
11:57<ompaul>sney: good louck
11:57<ompaul>luck
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11:58<ompaul>johnbender: the install is about what an hour old?
11:58<johnbender>ompaul: that will be a good idea when next i install debian on a machine
11:59<johnbender>like 24 hours old
11:59<ompaul>johnbender: I hope that CD2 has that package else you are going to be in the same space, I would be inclined to install connected to the internet rather than download and burn a new cd
11:59<ompaul>thats just me
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12:00<johnbender>but first I have to find a way of getting my huawei working on the machine
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12:00<ompaul>?
12:01<johnbender>huawei modem e160g or wifi cos that's my only means of internet now
12:01<ompaul>can you install wvdial and tell me who your wireless isp is please
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12:01<ompaul>johnbender: you have "no ethernet" cables at all?
12:01<johnbender>ok but i have to download wvdial and transfer it to the machine.. will that work?
12:02<johnbender>no
12:02<ompaul>try apt-cache search wvdial
12:02<ompaul>with the CD in
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12:02<johnbender>ok
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12:03<ompaul>johnbender: I also want to know who your isp is
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12:03<ompaul>for the huawei
12:03<johnbender>returned nothing.. the command didn't attempt to search the cd cos I can't see it spinning
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12:06<johnbender>for the huawei my ISP is globacom
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12:09<ompaul>johnbender: they are not giving out their settings
12:09<ompaul>at least that I can find
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12:13<ompaul>johnbender: there is no point in installing wvdial unless you can get access to the internet, you won't manage that without the settings for that provider, I have searched for them.
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12:16<scinl>I've never had a problem before, running openbox on Debian Wheezy, but when I try $startx after boot, it tells me "fatal server error, no screens found". Is this a known issue?
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12:16<ompaul>johnbender: earlier someone pointed you at this, did you notice it? Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>.
12:16<scinl>Failed to load module "nvidia" Module does not exist, 0. No drivers available.
12:17<scinl>My last uptime was 3 days, and like I said, no changes other than apt-get update.
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12:19<ompaul>johnbender: food being served back in a bit
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12:21<gianluca>i got a changelog on the terminal after a "apt-get upgrade". how to close it and start real upgrading?
12:21<matttis>hello
12:22<scinl>gianluca: "q" key
12:22<matttis>how can I disable 1 of my two 2 network devices?
12:22<gianluca>thanks!
12:22<johnbender>ompaul: yes i followed that
12:22<matttis>I have eth0 and eth1 and both have a IP that work
12:22<johnbender>in /etc/network/interfaces there is only one entry for lo
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12:25<jhutchins_lt>matttis: Are you running a network manager?
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12:26<matttis>jhutchins_lt, not at the moment
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12:26<jhutchins_lt>matttis: Something configured the interfaces.
12:26<johnbender>ok
12:27<matttis>jhutchins_lt, yes, system upgrade to the new stable
12:27<jhutchins_lt>I've confused the two of you, sorry.
12:27<gnugr>johnbemder: please pastebin the output of " cat /etc/network/interfaces "
12:29<gnugr>johnbender, even
12:29<matttis>http://pastebin.com/5J6Asb0b
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12:29<matttis>wait... johnbender aint me...
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12:30<jhutchins_lt>matttis: What about ifdown eth2?
12:30<jhutchins_lt>matttis: or eth0.
12:30<matttis>"ifdown: interface eth1 not configured"
12:31<jhutchins_lt>matttis: What interfaces do you have? ifconfig?
12:32<matttis>eth0 and eth1
12:32<ompaul>johnbender: did you not do what gnugr asked already?
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12:33<ompaul>I'm back
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12:35<ompaul>ah that explains it
12:36<gnugr>matttis: your output has only "eth0"
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12:36<matttis>ifconfig has both
12:36<matttis>selfping works on both
12:36<gnugr>wich one you use now?
12:37<gnugr>wich eth cable?
12:37<matttis>probably the configured one, 231
12:37<matttis>eth0
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12:37<gnugr>which******
12:37<ompaul>matttis: can you ping www.google.com
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12:37<gnugr>so, you must config only "eth0" tho
12:37<matttis>ompaul, sure
12:38<matttis>www.wieistmeineip.de (how is my IP) tells me I'm surfing with eth1
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12:41<ompaul>matttis: put a # in front of all other ETH2 or 1
12:41<xc1024>Anybody ever flashed BIOS on ASUS K7M-RM?
12:41<ompaul>matttis: if you pastebin all the file someone will edit it for you so you can see what it should look like if eth0 is the working ip
12:42<ompaul>xc1024: that might be more a question for ##hardware on irc.freenode.net
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12:43<xc1024>thanks
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12:43<matttis>ompaul, i've pastebin the whole file
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12:43<ompaul>matttis: can we have a url please
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12:45<matttis>ompaul, http://pastebin.com/4s3BD4TX
12:45<matttis>the other expired, sorry
12:45<ompaul>that is ok
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12:45<ompaul>matttis: the thing is there are 14 lines in that file you say you have entries for other ethN in your interfaces file - we don't see any evidence for that, therefore we can't really advise you about stuff
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12:46<matttis>it is the whole file, I can pastebin ifconfig if you wish
12:47<ompaul>no
12:47<ompaul>I want the interfaces file if it is only 14 lines long then ifconfig -a is what I want ;-)
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12:48<matttis>http://pastebin.com/mrWc8DG9
12:49<ompaul>matttis: ok, you are most definitely not seeing stuff or something
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12:49<ompaul>you are using eth1 I can see the TX and RX on it
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12:50<ompaul>eth0 is not being used
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12:50<matttis>~# ifdown eth0
12:50<matttis>SIOCDELRT: No such process
12:50<ompaul>matttis: hang on a second - please
12:51<matttis>yes, no prob
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12:51<ompaul>matttis: please type wc -l /etc/network/interfaces
12:52<ompaul>and give me the number
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12:52<matttis>it is like in the pastebin... 13
12:53<ompaul>something funky there
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12:53<matttis>yes
12:53<ompaul>have you wires plugged into both?
12:53<scinl>I'm recieving an error when I try to $startx that says my nvidia driver does not exist... it worked a day ago with no notable changes to kernel etc, on Debian Wheezy. Xorg.0.log says that it tried to load module nvidia but couldn't open it, so unloaded module nvidia. lsmod shows that nvidia is a loaded/valid module - currently using IRSSI from command line login, can anybody help or has anybody seen this before?
12:54<ompaul>matttis: have you wires plugged into both?
12:54<ompaul>matttis: have you wires plugged into both interfaces?
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12:55<ompaul>matttis: have you wires plugged into both interfaces eth0 and eth1 ?
12:55<matttis>no, only 1
12:55<ompaul>ok that one is eth1
12:55<jhutchins_lt>scinl: Restore the backup you made before yesterday's update. That's why they call it testing.
12:56<ompaul>are you on it at this time?
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12:56<ompaul>are you on that box with irc ?
12:56<matttis>yes
12:58<matttis>ompaul, is it possible to deactivate the hardware?
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12:59<matttis>there is a plugin-in card providing the 2nd slot
12:59<ompaul>matttis: yes I'm just a little confused, is the
12:59<ompaul>usb eth?
12:59<ml|>scinl: wheezy/sid: #debian-next
12:59<scinl>jhutchins_lt: Is this likely to fix itself over time, or do systems running testing branch of and break, becoming unfixable except by backing them up to a previous state?
12:59<scinl>ml|: Thank you
12:59<matttis>ompaul, usb?
13:00<matttis>like in usb printer? :)
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13:00<ompaul>matttis: no the network card
13:00<ompaul>usb eth or something like that
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13:00<matttis>its on the board
13:01<matttis>built-in
13:01<ompaul>you say card just hash out all the entries in the interfaces file starting at line allow-hotplug eth0 and ending gateway 141.30.81.129 put a # in front of them
13:01<ompaul>matttis: that will stop them from appearing when you look
13:02<matttis>but eth1 will still work?
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13:02<ompaul>matttis: there is no reason to think it won't
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13:02<matttis>ok
13:03<ompaul>matttis: who told you to put those settings in there?
13:03<matttis>ompaul, so eth1 is automatically configured?
13:03<jhutchins_lt>scinl: It will probably eventually be fixed, but until someone defines a work-around or posts a new version of whatever broke, going to backup is the quickest way to get it working.
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13:03<jhutchins_lt>scinl: Was it the xorg nvidia driver or the one from nvidia that broke?
13:03<ompaul>matttis: it should not be
13:03<matttis>ompaul, i think those where the old ones. maybe the cable was plugged into eth0 before changing the computers place
13:04<ompaul>matttis: possible
13:04<scinl>jhutchins_lt: nvidia the "Debian way"
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13:05<ompaul>matttis: ok the nasty test is to restart the box if it fails to connect to the network - you don't have to but it means you don't get stuck if the box breaks in three weeks and this is the problem
13:05<jhutchins_lt>scinl: Assuming you mean that it's the driver from nvidia, you probably need to recompile it due to a kernel update.
13:05<ompaul>matttis: if it fails you go to that file and uncomment the various lines
13:05<scinl>Hrm. Thanks, will try!
13:05<ompaul>matttis: also a good idea to cp /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/Original-interfaces
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13:06<matttis>yes :)
13:06<matttis>ompaul, thx, so I will try that now
13:06<matttis>Trying to come back :)
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13:06<chealer>scinl: there are 2 nvidia modules, a LKM and a X video driver
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13:07<chealer>scinl: X is complaining about the latter
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13:09<estudante>understand now the problem of "ifconfig"
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13:10<scinl>I believe I've found resolution. Thanks for the help!
13:10<scinl>!testing
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13:10<zykotick9>%testing
13:10<dselect>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
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13:11<matttis>ompaul, now ifconfig still tells me about eth0, but it has no ip adress
13:12<ompaul>matttis: that is not a problem -
13:12<ompaul>unless you want it to be ;-)
13:12<ompaul>matttis: the eth0 is a 3 com nick the one you are on now is Asusrock
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13:14<matttis>actually I need the other IP, because theres a dns entry for it... hopefully replugging and changing interface-file OR rebooting helps
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13:14<ompaul>matttis: no you just add it back in by removing the #s in the interfaces file
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13:15<ompaul>ahh you need wire on it also
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13:17<jthomas>I have LDAP set up on soe Debian 5 machines and now on one Debian 6. Running 'getent shadow' on the Deb5 machines gives results like: " someuser:ZZIth4dB3fq.g::::7::: " But on the Deb6 machine, I get " someuser:*::::7::: " and I need that password hash (not the *) to create htaccess files. How can I make this work like Deb5 ?
13:17<estudante>how capture display using icewm?
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13:18<ompaul>estudante: try prt scrn button if that fails you can use tools in gimp and other locations to grab screenshots
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13:20<abrotman>%screenshot
13:20<dselect>To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot, xwd. For framebuffer consoles, use fbgrab. http://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots http://screenshots.debian.net/
13:21<estudante>thanks
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13:24<matttis>ompaul, thx for your help
13:24<ompaul>matttis: hope it was a useful experience for you
13:24<ompaul>matttis: remember always back up config files to something like that file name before you change them
13:25<matttis>sure, there will come more exp in this direction :)
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13:25<matttis>yes
13:25<matttis>so good bye
13:25<ompaul>cheers
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14:05<weedeater64>What happen to dpkg ?
14:05<jthomas>I have LDAP set up on soe Debian 5 machines and now on one Debian 6. Running 'getent shadow' on the Deb5 machines gives results like: " someuser:ZZIth4dB3fq.g::::7::: " But on the Deb6 machine, I get " someuser:*::::7::: " and I need that password hash (not the *) to create htaccess files. How can I make this work like Deb5 ? This page discusses my issue but is very unclear: http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM
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14:08<Osiris_X>anyone know of an alterative IRC client to xchat-gnome?
14:09<towo`>xchat pure
14:09<stew>dselect: best irc client
14:09<dselect>from memory, irssi is the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net.
14:10<towo`>or weechat, or irssi, or oidgin
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14:10<weedeater64>Osiris_X: irssi is the shite.
14:10<Osiris_X>ok looks like irssi is the 1st to be checked out
14:10<Osiris_X>is it still maintained?
14:10<bluenemo>hi guys. how do i determine if i have a sata / pata / scsi disk on the command line?
14:10<gnugr>pidgin as well
14:11<Osiris_X>ok maybe this is like sacrilege here, but is there a gui version of irssi?
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14:13<daemonkeeper>There was once
14:13<daemonkeeper>As far as I know, development stopped at some point
14:14<abrotman>Osiris_X: generally, the answers you'll get for IRC users: irssi, xchat, smuxi, kirc (if it still exists), pidgin
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14:14<abrotman>kvirc?
14:14<abrotman>whatever it is called
14:14<weedeater64>Well, gnome-terminal is a gui app, no ?
14:14<daemonkeeper>konversation these days.
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14:14<daemonkeeper>Where none is actually a screen GUI though.
14:15<Osiris_X>brb - going to try mirc through wine
14:15<daemonkeeper>...
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14:16<abrotman>eww
14:16<abrotman>who the hell would want to do that
14:16<Zaba>yup, that's quite disgusting
14:16<abrotman>"Hi, I'd like to intentionally put a windows virus on my linux box .. can you tell me how?"
14:16<Zaba>wine has its share of uses, and irc is not among them
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14:18<bluenemo>its hdparm -I /dev/sdX
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14:26<Osiris_X>well mirc works nicely on wine 1.3.23 - but you now have to pay to register?!?!
14:27<chealer>weedeater64: it presumably has a connectivity problem since a few days
14:27<daemonkeeper>Osiris_X: We didn't quite understand why on earth you want mIRC on wine. There are better alternatives, try xchat, konversation, quassel and half a dozen more if you want a GUI client.
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14:28<gnugr>bluenemo: iirc its "smartctl -a /dev/sdx"
14:28<Osiris_X>daemonkeeper, it was simply a nostalgia thing - it was the 1st client I used back in '95 / '96
14:28<daemonkeeper>It were nostalgia if you were using ircII
14:28<daemonkeeper>Not mirc ;)
14:28<weedeater64>chealer: thanks, I got an answer in #d-o
14:29<Osiris_X>daemonkeeper, lol but back then I was windows
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14:30<gnugr>daemonkeeper: its nostimon imar (better than nostalgia)
14:30<Osiris_X>mother of god! 264mb to install Konversation! Sweet Jesus ....
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14:31<daemonkeeper>Osiris_X: Its a KDE program, if you are using Gnome, use xchat.
14:31<daemonkeeper>Same for Quassel
14:31<Osiris_X>right
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14:32<Osiris_X>well Quassel (+deps)- 54mb as opposed to 264mb
14:33<daemonkeeper>After this operation, 11.6 MB of additional disk space will be used. - But I'm using KDE
14:34<s_i_m_>264 Mb for XChat?! Impossible.
14:34<chealer>s_i_m_: for Konversation (but that's not the case)
14:35<s_i_m_>okay
14:35<gnugr>Osisris_X: since yesterday i use weechat, its amazing
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14:35<Osiris_X>s_i_m_ it's because I am gnome'd
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14:35<bluenemo>gnugr, where does this show if the device is sata / pata / scsi?
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14:35<gnugr>yes try it
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14:36<bluenemo>i just did :)
14:36<bluenemo>where?
14:36<gnugr>terminal
14:36<bluenemo>rofl
14:37<bluenemo>of course in the terminal :D when i hdparm -I it explicitly shows that the device is sata. with smartctl i dont see that anywhere, can you parse the line of yours please?
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14:37<gnugr>bluenemo: i get all infos with that
14:37<gnugr>hang on
14:38<bluenemo>thx
14:38<gnugr>i'll paste
14:38<bluenemo>thank you
14:38<weedeater64>irssi , Size: 1168428
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14:39<Omni_Lynk>Can anyone tell me the terminal command to install the Update Center / Synaptic Package? Or the equivalent in Debian?
14:39<Osiris_X>Omni_Lynk, sudo apt-get install synaptic ?
14:39<weedeater64>or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaLNP2BKmIo
14:39<bluenemo>Omni_Lynk, apt-get install software-center i think
14:39<weedeater64>Osiris_X:
14:39<Omni_Lynk>Osiris_X, Tried that.. didnt work..
14:39<bluenemo>check out your /etc/apt/sources.list
14:40<gnugr>bluenemo: http://paste.debian.net/122348/
14:40<Omni_Lynk>bluenemo, i was doing _ instead of - let me try that
14:40<Osiris_X>thanks weedeater64
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14:40<bluenemo>gnugr, which line shows that its sata / pata?
14:40<Osiris_X>if anyone knows how to get flash and java working in epiphany I would be eternally grateful
14:41<bluenemo>Osiris_X, apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree-*
14:41<bluenemo>Osiris_X, apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree* <= that one :)
14:41<gnugr>bluenemo: 5 to 16
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14:41<bluenemo>gnugr, ?? i see everything but not if its sata or pata :D
14:41<Osiris_X>bluenemo, for some reason it gives me working flash in Chromium and Iceweasel but not in epiphany
14:42<bluenemo>hm strange.. then no idea.
14:42<gnugr>mine its ATA not SATA
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14:42<bluenemo>yeah that defines the ata revision, not if its pata or sata
14:42<gnugr>if was SATA will be shown
14:43<bluenemo>nope :)
14:43<bluenemo>from hdparm -I: Transport: Serial, ATA8-AST, SATA 1.0a, SATA II Extensions, SATA Rev 2.5, SATA Rev 2.6
14:43<bluenemo>and i have a sata disk, one second
14:43<gnugr>pastebin your output
14:44<bluenemo>http://paste.debian.net/122350/
14:44<weedeater64>Osiris_X: forget flash, get clive and mplayer
14:45<Osiris_X>never heard of clive
14:45<weedeater64>Osiris_X: ~$ apt-cache show clive
14:45<Omni_Lynk>bluenemo, I'm not sure what i'm looking for in the Source.list... ther eare only 4 in the list. Security.debian (Squeeze) / deb-src security.debian (squeeze) / cdn.debian (squeeze) / src cdn.debian (squeeze) Should there be something else in there?
14:46<Osiris_X>hmmm so it is like get-flash-video or youtube-dl
14:46<bluenemo>pastebin your sources.list please
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14:46<bluenemo>you need contrib and i think non-free
14:46<bluenemo>for flash bull :)
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14:46<bluenemo>btw, try youtube.com/html5
14:46<bluenemo>:)
14:46<gnugr>yes,device model is there but not as ATA
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14:47<bluenemo>gnugr, wait i paste full output
14:47<bluenemo>http://paste.debian.net/122353/
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14:48<bluenemo>now please tell me the exact line where you see the device is sata / pata
14:48<weedeater64>yt html5 only works with limited browsers, no ?
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14:48<Omni_Lynk>bluenemo, http://pastebin.com/jP9wXu9t (typing it out, have not been able to install Xchat into Debian yet)
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14:49<bluenemo>weedeater64, i have no idea. works for me with ff4 or so...
14:49<weedeater64>BTW this should probably be in #debian-offtopic, no?
14:49<gnugr>bluenemo: you're right, has 2 errors, can't recognize it
14:50<bluenemo>Omni_Lynk, check mine: http://pastebin.com/0nd4Q4TE
14:51<Osiris_X>weedeater64, and latest epiphany has an html5 extension for youtube
14:51<bluenemo>gnugr, errors? which lines do you mean? i also still dont see where i could determine sata / pata in your paste. if you mean its showing ATA thats the ata command revision, used to determine which ata commands the hdd understands and which not. has nothing to do with if it is pata / sata
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14:52<gnugr>lines 41,69
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14:53<chealer>Omni_Lynk: # apt-get install synaptic
14:53<bluenemo>gnugr, on my or your paste?
14:53<gnugr>i tried your command, seems best
14:53<Omni_Lynk>chealer, Tried :( no luck
14:53<bluenemo>check blktool as well, quite a nice thing too
14:54<gnugr>i saw errors on mine command
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15:00<Osiris_X>ok I think weechat is going to win the race
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15:02<gnugr>Osiris_X: follow this " http://www.weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_quickstart.en.html#start "
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15:03<Osiris_X>cheers gnugr
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15:03<gnugr>break a leg
15:03<gnugr>haha
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15:04<Omni_Lynk>how do you get root command to edit the sorce.list file?
15:05<bluenemo>su (give password) then nano /etc/apt/sources.list
15:05<bluenemo>crtl x - y - enter
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15:05<Omni_Lynk>thank you.. i was trying gedit installed yet.
15:07<gnugr>ctrl+o - enter - ctrl+x
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15:09<bluenemo>yep works both. x is just quit.. he asks if he wants to save before. o is normal save
15:09<bluenemo>man nano :)
15:09<jhutchins_lt>vim!
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15:12<Omni_Lynk>bluenemo, allright, sorry for the delay, i'm still new to everything linux. i'm better w/ ubuntu than Debian. K, the source.list is the same as yours.
15:13<bluenemo>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-chache search foobar
15:13<bluenemo>then apt-get install foobar ;)
15:13<Omni_Lynk>what is foobar?
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15:14<Omni_Lynk>so with && you can start a new command all in the same line?
15:14<bluenemo>something like blabla for programmers.. ;) just take the stuff you want to search for for foobar
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15:16<jofe>Hi, I'm trying to install Wheezy on my Samsung X20 Notebook. But get a "No kernel modules where found" error with the testing installer usb+cd tested. Any Idee ?
15:17<chucky82>Hi!! :-) Does someone knows which files do I have to touch to configure exim4 ? I could not find any information by searching
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15:17<bluenemo>Omni_Lynk, when you do foobar && foobaz, foobaz will be executed if foobar exits with status 0 (worked). when you do foobar || foobaz, foobaz will be executed if foobar exits with status 1 (failed)
15:17<bluenemo>man bash ;)
15:19<Omni_Lynk>bluenemo, So if i know that the commands work doing && is fine, if i'm not sure if they will work using || is a better idea?
15:20<jofe>Same problem with businesscard iso
15:20<bluenemo>hm well... you can do foobar && foobaz || barbaz for example :D
15:20<bluenemo>google for a bash guide and join #bash on freenode. lots of info to learn about bash :)
15:21<Omni_Lynk>at the moment this is my side project to make the office run faster. I'll look into'em tho.
15:21<jofe> join /debian-next
15:21<jhutchins_lt>Omni_Lynk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar
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15:21<bluenemo>:D
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15:23<Omni_Lynk>I received this while doing the update / upgrade http://pastebin.com/XpBPD0Ky
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15:24<Omni_Lynk>hmm, i though i had samba installed.. guess not.
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15:24<jhutchins_lt>Omni_Lynk: Um, that's saying it's changing the behavior of samba during the upgrade.
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15:27<Omni_Lynk>jhutchins_lt, It pops up, but i do not see where to continue from there.
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15:28<M>how do i install java on debian with apt?
15:28<M>is it contrib or something?
15:28<babilen>%install java
15:28<dselect>For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) or icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>.
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15:28<babilen>M: I am fairly happy with openjdk-6, but YMMV
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15:29<M>thanks!
15:29<M>here she blows!
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15:29<babilen>(that is free and in main, sun's in non-free)
15:31<M>completely compatible?
15:31<Omni_Lynk>So when that Samba window pops up again (it takes over the whole terminal) what do i press to continue? Enter didnt work, space, shift enter esc.. nothing clears me out.
15:32<babilen>%openjdk
15:32<dselect>OpenJDK is the open source release of <Java> from Sun Microsystems (now Oracle America). All required functionality (according to the J2SE spec) is present, but some optional stuff is missing and some stuff uses different implementations from Oracle's binary JDK. Install the openjdk-6-jre package for the runtime environment or openjdk-6-jdk for the development kit. http://openjdk.java.net/ #openjdk on irc.oftc.net.
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15:33<M>which ftpd do you guys recommend that works out of the box?
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15:33<s_i_m_>M, vsftpd
15:34<M>ty!
15:34<weedeater64>cat >> sources.list
15:34<weedeater64>new entry
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15:34<weedeater64>Ctrl + c
15:35<M>vsftpd says this server is anonymous only
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15:35<M>local_enable option? :-)
15:35<s_i_m_>M, must be read the man
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15:36<s_i_m_>M, the config is simple and well-documented
15:37<chucky82>Hi!! :-) Does someone knows which files do I have to touch to configure exim4 ? I could not find any information by searching
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15:38<s_i_m_>chucky82, files in /etc/exim4/conf.d
15:38<M>hmm permission errors now
15:38<chucky82>s_i_m but I find variables that are nowhere defined, I don't know how the configuration is structured
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15:38<chucky82>I don't know where to start to begin customizing the install
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15:39<M>sorted, nm :-))
15:39<s_i_m_>chucky82, there is a good documentation in /usr/share/doc/exim4/
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15:40<chucky82>s_i_m thanks, I already found that, but I'm missing some point or something... :-(
15:41<chucky82>s_i_m there are some utilities related with this update-exim4.conf and I think there's another one
15:41<chucky82>s_i_m that I don't understand exactly what do they do?
15:41<s_i_m_>yes, try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
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15:43<chucky82>s_i_m I have some files on exim4.conf.template that I don't see defined anywhere, like MAIN_RELY_TO_DOMAINS where are those macros defined?
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15:43<M>guys, you're awesome as always - thank you very much!
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15:45<NITRO>Hi there
15:46<s_i_m_>chucky82, /etc/exim4/conf.d/. But are you sure that dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config is not enough for you?
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15:46<chucky82>s_i_m_ I need virtual domains, mysql user database....
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15:47<s_i_m_>chucky82, okay. Than you may prefer a customized config as a single file.
15:47<s_i_m_>Then*
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15:47<s_i_m_>It is also explain in the documentation.
15:47<s_i_m_>explained*
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15:49<chucky82>s_i_m thanks, I've found http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html#id280581 I'm givining it a read
15:49<chucky82>:-)
15:49<s_i_m_>chucky82, that is installed in yours /usr/share/doc/exim4/....
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15:50<chucky82>s_i_m thanks :-)
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15:50<s_i_m_>some guys really prefer indirect ways :/
15:50<chucky82>:-$
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15:53<Omni_Lynk>Ok, all of my problems fixed themselves after i restarted Debian.. Thank you all for your help!
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15:58<jhutchins_lt>Omni_Lynk: Sorry, real life.
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15:58<jhutchins_lt>Omni_Lynk: You may want to do aptitude -f install to make sure everything got installed completely and aptitude upgrade again to make sure you got everything. I believe q will close the information window that stopped you.
16:00<Omni_Lynk>jhutchins_lt, I'll remember that next time i get a stupid pop up window. I got Synaptic installed w/ apt-get (i still dont understand why it wouldnt before). Now i'm downloading all of the other things i needed.
16:00<s_i_m_>seems like we have got an increasing flow of new installs... nice.
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16:00<weedeater64>^
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16:02<Omni_Lynk>I think my co-worker said that Toyota and another big company were switching things over to Linux. I'd think that would get the downloads going for a bit.
16:03<s_i_m_>btw, is there any statistics on the percentage of users installing Debian as their first linux? Compared to the percentage of users switching from other distros and just experimenting?
16:03<jhutchins_lt>,versions iceweasel
16:03<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-6; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-8~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-8; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-8; sid: 3.5.19-3; wheezy: 3.5.19-3; experimental: 5.0-2
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16:18<rss>s_i_m: I've only used debian myself. I've had to crash restore one rhel in the past.
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16:20<estudante>iceweasel is good
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16:22<jhutchins_lt>Google+ won't accept iceweasel 3.5.16
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16:23<Black_Prince>Use 5.0 from m.d.n :/
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16:24*devil uses iceweasel 7.0a2 (2011-07-07) and has no idea what google+ makes of that
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16:24<Black_Prince>7.0? wtf
16:25<devil>aurora channel
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16:25<devil>7 moved from nightly to aurora yresterday
16:26<devil>Black_Prince: http://www.internet-magazin.de/news/mozilla-firefox-7-zum-testen-1157411,185.html
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16:26<devil>ups, thats german :)
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16:48<kingsley>FYI: A nice histogram of the ages of packages installed on my computer is at http://picpaste.com/pics/b9c736b47fe4efb2905ada0d4d64703f.1310155669.png
16:49<kingsley>It's my shrine to the genius of debian's package management.
16:49<estudante>how to install adobe flash player?
16:49<Black_Prince>%adobe flash
16:49<dselect>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>.
16:50<estudante>kingsley: what is this http://picpaste.com/tastatur.gif ?
16:50<estudante>kingsley: rs..rs
16:51<jhutchins_lt>Black_Prince: Mozilla is just messing with it's version numbering. I think it's the size thing - Microsoft's is bigger.
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16:52<Black_Prince>jhutchins_lt, it always was ... but I thing they are more up to catch chrome not to msie
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16:53<Black_Prince>Since most people will be "Oh look chrome has higher version, it is surely better, and use it "
16:53<jhutchins_lt>Black_Prince: Remember that IE started out as a rewrite of the mosaic code. Mosaic went on to become netscape and mozilla.
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17:07<devil>jhutchins_lt: its rather googles is bigger
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17:08<devil>jhutchins_lt: but it might bring a wider testbed for the moz developer
17:08<devil>developers, even
17:10<devil>aurora 7 has a complete workover of memory management and a telemetry module that lets users transfer their memory usage data to mozilla
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17:17<MrFrood>jhutchins_lt: can't comment about ie but as far as I am aware the last mosaic code was pulled from mozilla prodducts when the C blob providding gopher support was removed from firefox
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17:19<jhutchins_lt>MrFrood: Last I checked the history code still had a bug I reported on mosaic...
17:19<jhutchins_lt>Could be it's all gone now though.
17:19<jhutchins_lt>afik mozilla's never done a ground-up rewrite.
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17:20<MrFrood>most likly the bug was re-implemented in new code, mozilla made a big effort to loose the C code
17:20<MrFrood>iirc
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17:32<jhutchins_lt>For the most part firefox has gained more code than it's lost.
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17:43<MrFrood>jhutchins_lt: I can't argue with that
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17:53<Merrioc> Question: I finally have a 99% working preseed, but I get the error "Cannot access repository" during the apt-setup and it stalling the install, but the mirror is avail via wget in tty2 .. is there any way prevent this for stopping the install?
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17:59<zalaey>in /etc/fstab, what permissions should /tmp be set to allow for users to write to it?
18:00<akerl>zalaey: Who owns /tmp?
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18:00<ompaul>drwxrwxrwt 13 root root 4096 Jul 8 22:45 .
18:01<zalaey>akerl: root
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18:01<zalaey>ompaul: thank you
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18:02<ompaul>Merrioc: I fear if you need the repo and you can't get to the repo the install will fail?
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18:05<Merrioc>But I can get to the repo, in the other screens, I'm guessing that I need to add a protocal or something
18:05<Merrioc>because on the same instance in a differnt console I can wget packages.. so the path and network are correct
18:06<Merrioc>and the same repo works through all prior phases of the install
18:06<estudante>http://paste.debian.net/122368
18:07<estudante>helpe me !
18:07<estudante>help
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18:07<ompaul>Merrioc: I'll not claim this is the answer - however anything I've found seems to point to hostname and network problems http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs04.html#preseed-network
18:07<devil>estudante: for a start, please use LANG=C in front of your command
18:08<devil>estudante: that will give english output
18:08<ompaul>devil: looks like testing or higher with a dep fail but we will see in a mo
18:08<MrFrood>estudante: as devil said english would help
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18:08<estudante>http://paste.debian.net/122369
18:08<WillianPaixao>Calma estudante
18:08<devil>ompaul: yeah, i can guess what it says....
18:08<estudante>english
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18:09<devil>estudante: install libcurl3-gnutls
18:09<ompaul>devil: thought that ;-)
18:09<Merrioc>ompaul: thanx for the help, yep already tried that method
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18:09<ompaul>Merrioc: ooch
18:09<devil>estudante: does that work?
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18:09<WillianPaixao>você já deve ter feito isso, mas já tentou instalar esse pacote?
18:10<devil>estudante: if not, do you have packages on hold?
18:10<devil>WillianPaixao: english please
18:10<WillianPaixao>I speak Portuguese
18:10<estudante>devil: not
18:10<estudante>devil: http://paste.debian.net/122370
18:10<WillianPaixao>Okay
18:10<WillianPaixao>No problem
18:11<MrFrood>estudante: which version of debian?
18:11<devil>estudante: are you sure there is no packages on hold?
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18:13<estudante>MrFrood: squeeze
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18:13<estudante>devil: I don't
18:13<devil>estudante: you dont what?
18:13<devil>!hold
18:14<coruja>%hold
18:14<dselect>hold is, like, a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database.
18:15<estudante>devil: I dont have packages on hold
18:15<devil>estudante: dpkg --get-selections | grep hold says what
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18:15<flashbackradio>hello dears
18:15<flashbackradio>:q
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18:16<estudante>devil: one moment... I am using aptitude
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18:19<ompaul>estudante: did you upgrade this box from lenny to squeeze
18:19<Merrioc>ompaul: FYI host name has to be set with apt-set not just d-i mirror/http/hostname string 192.168.1.20 needs d-i apt-setup/local0/repository string \
18:19<Merrioc> http://192.168.1.20/debian stable main
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18:20<ompaul>Merrioc: thanks
18:20<estudante>ompaul: I dont
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18:21<hermogenes>estudante: the dependencies on libcurl3-gnutls on your error message are from the package on sid!
18:22<Aleric>Is there a way to clear any disk cache from ram (for benchmarking purposes)
18:22<estudante>hermogenes: but this mess the system?
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18:23<ompaul>estudante: please paste your sources.list into paste.debian.net
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18:24<estudante>ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/122371
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18:26<hermogenes>estudante: now, this is the problem "deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib" your should squeeze instead of sid in this line
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18:28<ompaul>estudante: I think what you wanted to do with have deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib there
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18:29<ompaul>you should delete the sid line
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18:29<estudante>but I used "aptitude" and works
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18:30<ompaul>estudante: and you got errors why because there was a sid line in there
18:30<ompaul>estudante: you can run sid you can run testing you can run stable usually they don't like to be together you said it yourself "23:22:39] <estudante> hermogenes: but this mess the system?" yes it does
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18:31<estudante>ompaul: yes, was incompatible
18:31<estudante>ompaul: oh right?
18:31<ompaul>aptitude update after that and see if you avoid trouble
18:32<estudante>yes, thanks
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18:33<ompaul>enjoy
18:34<estudante>ompaul: hibrid system?
18:34<ompaul>estudante: ehh you have been told to remove your sid line
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18:34<ompaul>you have been told to update the box
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18:34<ompaul>you have been asked to see if it is ok - and if you did that is good if not you have other issues we can talk about later
18:34<devil>estudante: use EITHER unstable, testing or stable, dont mix them, it will explode.
18:35<ompaul>estudante: you don't build a car from seat volkswagen and skoda parts do you ?
18:35<estudante>ompaul: rsrs... I dont
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18:36<ompaul>DONT mix sid stable (squeeze) testing
18:36<ompaul>you did
18:36<estudante>ompaul: the parts are incompatibles
18:36<ompaul>correct
18:36<ompaul>!br
18:36<ompaul>%br
18:36<dselect>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:37<ompaul>estudante: you seem to be struggling with the information I am typing so maybe they would be more help for you
18:37<dpalacio>hi. which software in Debian Sid would you recommend to make a word search puzzle?
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18:38<ompaul>dpalacio: what do you mean "word search puzzle" how does this puzzle work - can you give us an example
18:39<hermogenes>ompaul: I am already helping estudante in #debian-br . I dont know why he keeps asking here.
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18:39<ompaul>hermogenes: thank you, I'll leave it with you ;-)
18:39<dpalacio>ompaul: it is a NxN matrix of letters. there are some predefined words you must find in it.
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18:40<dpalacio>horizontal, vertical an diagonal words are allowed
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18:40<dpalacio>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_search
18:40<ompaul>apt-cache search word |grep puzzle
18:40<ompaul>gives only very few options
18:40<dpalacio>I have done that
18:42<estudante>hermogenes: thanks
18:42<estudante>ompaul: thanks
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18:42<dpalacio>none does word search puzzles
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18:45<ompaul>dpalacio: I guess you want something like "an" or some random greping of a dict to give you places you pick in your matrix
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18:45<ompaul>dpalacio: it is really a game begging to be written :)
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18:49<dpalacio>ompaul: It sure is. For now, I'll do this the hard way. Thanks.
18:49<ompaul>dpalacio: seems someone wrote something but I can't say http://www.novellshareware.com/info/wordsearch.html
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18:51<dpalacio>http://sourceforge.net/projects/wordsearch/
18:51*dpalacio checks
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19:29<chaos>how do i figure out which one package was not upgraded?
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19:29<lindi->chaos: was not upgraded?
19:30<chaos>aptitude says everything but one single package upgraded
19:30<stew>chaos: did you mean "which" or "why"?
19:30<stew>chaos: aptitude search '~U'
19:30<chaos>thx
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20:29<zalaey>whats a less glitz window manager for KDE rather than plasma?
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20:42<zalaey>how would i set my CC environment variable to the name of tthe gcc used to compile the kernel with squeeze? currently says mine is 4.4 and it needed a 4.3
20:42<jhutchins_lt2>%trinity
20:42<dselect>Trinity is a project to keep <KDE> 3.5 alive by making packages of this distribution available for Debian squeeze (Squeeze has KDE 4.4 in it). It is not part of Debian, and their packages are neither supported by #debian nor by the Debian Security Team. http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ #trinity-desktop on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <kde squeeze>.
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20:45<zalaey>does squeeze support the legacy geforce cards?
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20:47<MrFrood>zalaey: nouveau shouldd work fine & iirc the 96.43.xx drivers in non-free should also work
20:48<MrFrood>%nvidia
20:48<dselect>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
20:48<dontworry>is there command other than fdisk that offers more commands?
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20:48<zalaey>~~
20:48<zalaey>thank you
20:48<MrFrood>to do what?
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20:49<dontworry>using the expers menu i moved the beginning of the data on a partition. now that part is inaccessible
20:49<dontworry>*expert
20:49<dontworry>there is no option to move the data back
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