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---Logopened Sat Jul 09 00:00:28 2011
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00:56<jasonsmr> Query does any body know where I can find or where to start finding a list of intelegent translations from common electronic components used in the pc repair world today? Translated to Japanese from English,
00:56<jasonsmr>Im living in Japan now, and I dont know the language
00:58<sney>most pc repair stuff is made in taiwan and has manuals in many languages
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01:07<bignose>I would like to have a device (e.g. an audio player) mounted at a known mount point when it's plugged into this machine
01:07<bignose>e.g. ‘/mnt/sansafuze’
01:07<bignose>what do I need to configure to get that happening?
01:07<bignose>hmm, that would be ‘/media/sansafuze’ of course
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01:10<ompaul>bignose: I think this is what you are looking for
01:11<cthuluh>there are several ways. most desktop environments provide an automounting feature
01:11<bignose>ompaul: looks good, thank you
01:12<bignose>cthuluh: this is Debian Wheezy, with Gnome
01:12<sney>could also just do it with fstab if it's always the same media player
01:12<sney>make a line with the uuid and the mount point
01:12<cthuluh>sney: hmm, automounting at plug time?
01:13<cthuluh>bignose: unless gnome is broken again, it should provide that feature, yes
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01:15<cthuluh>bignose: haha, nice, gnome-volume-manager doesn't seem to be available in wheezy :)
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01:17<bignose>okay. it gives it an arbitrary name though.
01:17<bignose>what do I need to use in Gnome to change that?
01:18<cthuluh>you mean, nautilus allowed you to automount it?
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01:21<bignose>I mean, it presents as a device in nautilus
01:22<bignose>but there's no mount point listed when I type ‘mount’
01:22<bignose>so Gnome is discovering it, and allowing Nautilus to browse it
01:22<bignose>but it doesn't appear to have a filesystem mount
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01:26<hamed>any one here ?
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01:26<cthuluh>bignose: sorry but I have no idea how to solve that
01:26<hamed>hi aranax
01:26<cthuluh>!ask > hamed
01:26<hamed>hi every body
01:27<cthuluh>hi hamed. just ask your question
01:27<bignose>cthuluh: there's ‘gvfs-mount’ but it doesn't seem to know the options of usual mount commands
01:27<hamed>i want to convert my keyboard to dvorak
01:27<bignose>hamed: <URL:>
01:28<hamed>thank you very much i will try
01:28<sney>wheezy is in the middle of the gnome3 transition so it's expected that some gnome stuff will be incomplete/missing/broken
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01:31<hamed>Configuring keyboard-configuration
01:31<hamed>i didnot find dvorak
01:32<hamed>i saw many keybards but no dvorak
01:33<hamed>hi cthuluh
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02:07<dattebayo>is debian compatible with HP?
02:10<ompaul>dattebayo: HP what?
02:10<devil>dattebayo: where HP is Hewlett Packard devices?
02:12<bignose>dattebayo: where “compatible with” means “can be installed to run on”?
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02:24<dattebayo>HP Probook 4530s , becuz we tried to installed fedora and ubuntu and both of them we boot up but after we installed ATI radeon everything become mess
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02:25<devil>dattebayo: installed ati radeon? it is installed already
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02:28<dattebayo>yea but it gives error when i run ati catalyst and when fglrxinfo it says no adapters selected
02:28<akerl>dattebayo: So what you really mean is "How good are the linux drivers for my graphics card?"
02:29<devil>dattebayo: well, fglrx !=radeon
02:29<akerl>Because the graphics card support has almost nothing to do with the brand of the laptop, and even less to do with the particular linux distro.
02:30<devil>dattebayo: so you installed fglrx on Ubuntu?
02:32<devil>dattebayo: to be precise: xserver-xorg-video-radeon is the free driver whereas fglrx is the proprietary one
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02:39<Fudgey_>is there a trick to not installing pulse, i removed it from my script and it keeps getting installed?
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02:39<devil>Fudgey_: debian does not install pulseaudio by default
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02:40<devil>but as we do not know what 'my script' is...
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02:43<Fudgey_>loL sorry
02:44<Fudgey_>whats good ways to track down what requested pulse to be installed?
02:44<devil>Fudgey_: apt-cache polica rdepends pulseaudio
02:44<devil>policy even
02:45<devil>damn, its too early :)
02:45<devil>apt-cache rdepends pulseaudio
02:46<devil>mpd is a common candidate
02:46<Fudgey_>mplayer and speech-dispatcher
02:47<Fudgey_>but speech-dispatcher I know, can work with alsa or pulse
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02:47<Fudgey_>shoudl i mark it as to be not installed?
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03:03<Fudgey_>when i go to install speech-dispatcher notice the libpulse and pulseaudio packages
03:04<Quite>my samsung r540 laptop paused for a long time at "waiting for /dev to become fully populated" after having disconnected my logitech trackman wheel.... i rebooted, and then there was no pause... known issue? i suspect it's related to udev in some way
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03:05<Quite>it's really minor, but i wanted to mention it
03:06<valdyn>Quite: kernel interacts with udev at that point, so it can be either, I guess
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03:06<Quite>apart fram that it works pretty dandy
03:06<Quite>from, even
03:06<valdyn>Quite: it can also be just your crappy usb controller
03:06<Quite>who knows
03:06<Quite>i wouldn't think so, though
03:06<devil>Quite: maybe dmesg knows more
03:06<Quite>never had any such delays in windows
03:07<Quite>it works fine now, so...
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03:07<valdyn>Quite: windows drivers should be alot less robust usually and might just ignore errors
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03:08<valdyn>Quite: i mean you get a seperate driver from each vendor where linux uses one driver for alot of devices..
03:08<Quite>yes indeed
03:08<Quite>i'm generally a happy camper, so...
03:09<Quite>i had random audio dropouts in windows, i have tried just about everything you can, and i finally had enough
03:09<valdyn>Quite: i think i know your error from own experience but i also cant reproduce it
03:09<Quite>usb audio
03:09<Quite>works just great in debian
03:09<Quite>yes, it's somewhat intermittent
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03:12<Quite>today was the first time i experienced it, actually... and the only change in my setup was that i disconnected the trackball
03:12<Quite>i wanted to see if the touchpad behaved better in 2.6.38... it didn't ;)
03:12<Quite>anyway, it's easier to use a trackball anyway, so i'm ok
03:14<Quite>i suppose it's more of an xorg issue
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03:15<Quite>the trackball is at least recognized as being elan in 2.6.38
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03:15<Quite>touchpad, not trackball
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03:16<Fudgey_>is aptitude install pulseaudio= which should hold it from installing/upgrading etc the right command? i.e it wont install when a package claims it depends on it
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04:01<valdyn>Fudgey_: that command doesnt hold anything
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04:41<zalaey>so im trying to get mesa to compile on squeeze and it insists i need libdrm 2.4.24 while 2.4.21 is whats with squeeze. is there a deb of 2.4.24 or even 2.4.26 ?
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05:24<_julian_>do I have to install gtk to get gdk on a debian squeeze system?
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05:48<skilz>< skilz> The /etc/securetty file lists the devices on which "root" may log in. If I remove all entries except for tty1 through tty8, it should prevent network logins for root?
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05:48<skilz>Is that okay to do?
05:51<lindi->skilz: that does not prevent network logins
05:52<lindi->skilz: at least ssh by default does not even use login
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05:57<skilz>ok then so just leave it how it was and edit ssh?
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05:59<skilz>gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
05:59<skilz>tar: Child returned status 1
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06:18<mu574n9>I am trying to install apache2 with apt-get install but it says the package exists.
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06:18<mu574n9>I had purged removed it and also deleted the /etc/apach2 file by hand
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06:27<wols>what file exists?
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06:45<Simy>Hello, I was an idiot and did an apt-get dist-upgrade without knowing what was to be installed. I lost my nvidia driver. I've tried a few others but my screen is stuck in low res with neuvaeu (sp?) and mesa was just as horrible.
06:46<Simy>I'm apparently running a hybrid system... :/
06:47<Simy>nvidia-glx wont install because libgl1-nvidia-glx depends on libgl1-nvidia-alternatives but it breaks libgl1-mesa-glx
06:47<thuldin>try install by hand latest nvidia bin
06:47<thuldin>for now
06:47<thuldin>worked for me
06:47<Simy>I thought of that but...
06:48<Simy>I wont remember when the next kernel comes out to reconfigure it, lol
06:48<Simy>I don't update often but I guess thats my only choice at this point?
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06:49<Simy>Do you happen to have a link to the nvidia installer?
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06:49<thuldin>just leave the installer someplace you remember so you can install it again when new kernel comes along
06:49<devil>Simy: you are on testing?
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06:49<Simy>devil, I'm not sure to be honest...
06:49<Simy>devil, how can I check?
06:49<thuldin>this problem sounds like something that was on sid last month
06:50<devil>thuldin: its in testing now
06:50<Simy>uname -r outputs: 2.6.39-2-686-pae
06:50<Simy>if that helps
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06:50<devil>Simy: show your sources.list in a pastebin
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06:51<Simy>ok... give me a second...
06:51<dselect>Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
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06:52<babilen>... that much was obvious. Please paste your sources.list
06:52<Simy>(from cat'ing /etc/debian_version
06:52<devil>Simy: then forget nvidia, or install it from sid or stable
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06:53<Simy>i believe i typed that in correctly
06:53<Simy>I'm on two different computers
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06:54<Simy>devil, thats with the -t sid flag in apt-get correct?
06:54*Simy knows just enough to be dangerous but not enough to fix it anymore
06:54*Simy 's system is too stable to remember how to do most of the internal things :/
06:55<devil>Simy: line 13 is fugly (but not related to your rob)
06:55<Simy>even in unstable or testing or whatever I happen to be running now
06:55<Simy>I have no idea what is where :/
06:55<devil>you are running testing. nvidia is broken in testing
06:55<Simy>why what is where
06:56<devil>Simy: maybe running stable would be a good idea?
06:56<Simy>devil, I prefer testing, did they just recently change it over again?
06:56<Simy>change testing -> stable and unstable -> testing ?
06:56<wols>Simy: no
06:57<chealer>_julian_: no
06:57<Simy>They just updated part of the driver without all the dependencies then?
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06:58<devil>Simy: no, its in the middle of the multiarch transition
06:59<Simy>Will this likely be fixed soonish (like within a week) or not?
06:59<Simy>if not I'll go the official nvidia route for now
06:59<devil>Simy: 7-10 days to get from sid to testing
07:00<devil>Simy: official route? no workee either
07:00<Simy>nvidia's installer isnt working?
07:01<Simy>can I assume that no other driver will give me a resolution better then 640x480?
07:01<devil>not afaik
07:01<wols>Simy: we dunno. but it's not supported here
07:01<devil>Simy: vesa will give you more
07:01<Simy>well let me try that then =-)
07:01<devil>nouveau will give you all you want resolution wise
07:02<Simy>devil im currently using nouveau!
07:02<devil>are you sure?
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07:02<Simy>90% sure
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07:03<Simy>lshw says its that driver, and its in the xorg file
07:03<Simy>or maybe it was lspci ?
07:03<wols>Simy: pastebin the xorg log then
07:03<Simy>whats the easy command line way to do that?
07:03<wols>lspci and lshw don't tell you what drivers you have loaded
07:03<dselect>pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit".
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07:04<Simy>wols, are you sure? It says driver in kernel or something like that
07:05<wols>is xorg your kernel now?
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07:05<Simy>the xorg file? I believe I did it right:
07:05<Simy>wols, I don't understand
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07:07<Simy>if it matters I'm trying to change the resolution by clicking on system->preferences->monitors
07:07<Simy>in Gnome
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07:08<chealer>wols: lspci can tell you about loaded LKM-s
07:09<Simy>Am I missing something stupid about how to change the resolution, or should that interface do it for me?
07:10<devil>gotta run, sorry
07:10<Simy>devil, Ok, Thanks for your help thus far =-) its appreciated!
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07:11<Simy>wols, your still here right =-)
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07:12*Simy just checked and that same point and click UI lets me change resolution on my netbook, so I don't think its the issue
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07:15<Simy>I'll try removing the xorg.config file and restarting X and see if that helps
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07:25<Simy>YAY that worked...
07:25<Simy>I think...
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07:25<Simy>Yup it worked, I'm not sure why but I'm happy
07:26<Simy>chealer, devil, and wols thanks for your help =)
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07:28<thuldin>does 3d work too?
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07:32<TCW>iceweasel looks kinda ugly in KDE... is there a package to install a somewhat KDE compatible theme for it? I've heard it does not use gtk so a gtk theme does not help there much.
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07:40<mekt>TCW: iceweasel uses gtk. you can see the deps
07:41<mekt>though it uses it somewhat indirectly at times.
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07:44<TCW> <- mekt, I had that conversation yesterday... so I am looking for something similar as the first message in the paste suggests (but apt-getable)
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07:46<mekt>i remember seeing a crystal theme for firefox , so maybe there is an oxygen one.
07:50<TCW>Hmm... what is the KDE approach for booksmarks of folders? On Xfce / Gnome I had a panel ENtry called "places"... how is it best done with KDE?
07:51<TCW>Oops... kinda EWIN I guess :)
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07:58<mns>TCW, install the gtk2-engines-oxygen package, then set it as the default gtk theme
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07:58<mns>TCW, it will match kde's theme
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07:59<mns>TCW, also the oxygen-icon-theme pack
08:01<Rainbowtron>I'm looking for a way to constrain maximized windows to prevent them from covering the start menu in my seemless VM. Any suggestions?
08:01<daemonkeeper>mekt: Oxygen KDE. This is how the theme is called. Best used with a Qt widget engine for KDe
08:01<daemonkeeper>*for GTK
08:02<TCW>mns, so whatever KDE theme I choose, the gtk apps will try to look alike?
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08:03<TCW>DO I need to reszart the apps / some KDE process? As I do not see any change in a gtk app right now...
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08:03<daemonkeeper>TCW: You can even use Qt engines for GTK widgets. This really _draws_ GTK widgets in Qt. That way they look very native.
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08:04<daemonkeeper>e.g. gtk2-engines-qtcurve
08:05<TCW>daemonkeeper, installed that too before (with abunch of other apps that looked like they may be what I need) and now I try to go through the kde system config thing to make it work... :)
08:06<mns>TCW, here i had to put some line in my ~/.gtkrc-2.0
08:06<daemonkeeper>Or just use gtk-chtheme to activate that.
08:07<mns>daemonkeeper, yes!
08:07<daemonkeeper>In KDE's systemsettings options can be change
08:07<mns>TCW, follow what daemonkeeper said
08:08<mns>TCW, should do the job gtk-chtheme
08:08<mns>gtk-chtheme should do the
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08:09<TCW>Where do I find that? Hell... is that weird if you are used to Gnome all those years :)
08:10<TCW>Right now I am in the system settings GTK+ appearance... and regardless of what I change there I don't see a difference...
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08:10<TCW>the KDE style is set to QtCurve btw.
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08:14<TCW>oh hell... I am using compiz! ALmost forgot to mention that :)
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08:14<TCW>so compiz is drawing the decorations, no wonder regardless what I change in system settings it does not change a thing :)
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08:15<daemonkeeper>TCW: You need to install gtk2-engines-qtcurve, once you did you need to switch your Gnome theme to that. The easiest way to achieve this is to use gtk-chtheme (install this as well). The qtcurve settings can be tweaked in the KDE systemsettings.
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08:17<TCW>funny... gtk-window-decorater is running.... maybe kde4-window-decorator is the better choice ;)
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08:21<TCW> <- which crashes...
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09:03<ylmfos>I don't know English
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09:04<dselect>Ruguo nin xihuan dedao zhongwen de banzu, qin yi bu ben fuwu qi sang de #debian-zh pindao, jiaru fangfa wei zai surukuan zhong suru "/join #debian-zh" (bu yao jia yin hao), xiexie nin de hezuo!
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09:08<TCW>damn... kde IS confusingly loaded with options to set...
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09:12<thuldin>tcw some people all those options and buttons to tinker with and do not like a dumbed down environment.
09:13<TCW>thuldin, no problem with that... you must know I used Gnome for years ;)
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09:14<penguin2011>where is the apache directory in a package selected apache install?
09:14<TCW>Hmm... different images as wallpaper for every workspace is a no go even with KDE?
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09:15<TCW>penguin2011, "apache directory"?
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09:15<thuldin>you have to select .. let me check
09:15<penguin2011>TCW: well where is the httpd directory
09:15<penguin2011>that I can change files etc
09:15<TCW>penguin2011, /var/www but it is configurable in /etc/apache2/...
09:15<penguin2011>that's it.. /var
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09:16<TCW>don't confuse "webserver (document) root" and config directory :)
09:16<penguin2011>I love squeeze
09:17<penguin2011>tempted to ditch windows 7
09:17<penguin2011>debian gives me a fuzzy warm feeling
09:17<TCW>penguin2011, why didn't you just have a look in the apache config in /etc/?
09:17<Constantin>hi people. can anyone say why Qt Creator 2 still can't get out of unstable? I couldn't find anything critical in the bug tracker, so that looks a bit strange and disappointing
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09:17<penguin2011>TCW: I'd forgotten where apache is installed
09:17<penguin2011>is there an easy way to check
09:17<penguin2011>whereis apache*
09:17<TCW>penguin2011, huh?
09:18<Bushmills>penguin2011: dpkg -L apache2
09:18<rss>Constantin: unstable is upgrade their QT libs right now.
09:18<thuldin>when you select different widgets for each desktop ub virtual desktop settings
09:18<thuldin>you will also be able to set other background for each
09:18<penguin2011>TCW: nifty
09:18<Constantin>rss: to fix the broken-documentation bug?
09:18<rss>Constantin: if i were to do a full upgrade then I would lose the kde apps I use
09:19<Bushmills>or dpkg -L apache2.2-bin
09:19<TCW>penguin2011, on (most) GNU/Linux (distros) all packages are installed in various locations. Config goes in /etc/, binariies in /usr/bin/, not so static content to /var/...
09:20<Constantin>rss: I'm on testing, so Qt is already up-to-date (4.7.3, the latest upstream version)
09:20<themill>%why is qtcreator not in testing
09:20<dselect>qtcreator is not in testing for the reasons listed in
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09:22<skilz>how can I get a picture of tux in the top left of my console screen like this --->
09:22<rss>Constantin: qt in sid is upgradeing to 4.7.3-5 and breaks most kde aps installed
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09:22<themill>dselect, tell skilz about cross-post
09:22<Constantin>rss, themill: ok, thanks
09:23<thuldin>knotify in sid has a memory leak
09:23<penguin2011>TCW: cool, why does ifconfig not exist
09:23<thuldin>it grows to 4 gb
09:23<penguin2011>TCW how do I check my network device status/config
09:23<TCW>penguin2011, ip a s
09:23<rss>thuldin: i gues you should not use knitify then.
09:24<thuldin>not sure if that is possible
09:24<penguin2011>ifconfig is defunct?
09:25<TCW>penguin2011, and ifconfig is there for sure... have a look at /sbin/ifconfig... only root "sees" it as /sbin/ is not in the path of the users.
09:25<thuldin>i just kill the process
09:26<penguin2011>tcw ahhh, what does sbin stand for? secure binaries?
09:26<bluewater>ifconfig -a ( will gives output of eth / wlan)
09:26<TCW>penguin2011, I suggest you read a book about unix / GNU/Linux basics :)
09:26<penguin2011>yeah I need a refresher
09:26<penguin2011>ive got the debian handbook up
09:26<TCW>a refresher?!
09:26<rss>penguin2011: root or superuser has exclusive access to some binaries
09:27<penguin2011>so s in sbin is for superuser?
09:27<TCW>basics are called basics because they are "basic" as in breathing and that stuff :)
09:27<rss>penguin2011: check out sudo
09:27<lindi->penguin2011: system binaries is I how I read it
09:27<penguin2011>no prob
09:27<lindi->no idea about the history
09:28<lindi->also, ifconfig is ancient history too. The modern tool is "ip"
09:28<rss>penguin2011: try sudo ifconfig
09:28<penguin2011>how hard is it to bridge a network interface in a virtualbox virtual machine to the same network on which the machine running the virtual machine is on?
09:28<TCW>rss, why encourage a user to use a depricated tool?
09:29<TCW>penguin2011, that depends on your skillset I suppose :)
09:29<rss>TCW: I had no idea it was deprecated. I never use it myself
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09:29<penguin2011>how is 'ip
09:30<TCW>penguin2011, pardon?
09:30<penguin2011>how is 'ip' different to 'ifconfig'
09:30<TCW>penguin2011, you can figure it out yourself... run ip and ifconfig and compare, see the manpage of both...
09:30<lindi->penguin2011: it support more features
09:30<lindi->penguin2011: and I think it is also bit more intuitive to use
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09:31<penguin2011>cool bananas
09:31<TCW>but basically "ip" is a mixture between ifconfig / route (and maybe several other tools) now combined in one tool.
09:31<penguin2011>I have been fiddling with linux since mandrake 7
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09:31<thuldin>i found a bug on bugs kde that looks like my knotify problem. so it is already known.
09:31<penguin2011>however it has always been on and off
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09:32<penguin2011>I wish I could be in a room and fiddle with linux forever
09:32<penguin2011>become a master
09:32<thuldin>but maybe not everyone gets it
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09:33<mns>penguin2011, that would be awesome!
09:33<TCW>btw. why do all sysmon applets suck imho compared to Gnome applets? :)
09:33<penguin2011>mns :)
09:33<TCW>thuldin, any suggestion for some "widgets" that do not suck there?
09:34<thuldin>some widgeds require python qt
09:34<thuldin>oh i only use weather and moon thingy
09:34<Bushmills> <- gkrellm
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09:35<TCW>thuldin, I want to see the network usage, temperatures of hddtemp / sensors / acpi, fan speed... all on one tiny panel as I am used to on Gnome / Xfce... but somehow all widgest suck, do look ugly like hell, do not display what I want, don't display anything useful...
09:36<ayaka>where is dpkg(bot)
09:36<thuldin>you can change the theme . i do not know of a widget that showed hd temp
09:36<TCW>Bushmills, never liked gkrellm... it is just too... dunno... big
09:37<Bushmills>disable plugins. make it narrower. pick a thinner theme.
09:38<TCW>Bushmills, nah... I tried gkrelm every once in a while... it just does not work for me :)
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09:38<themill>ayaka: pining for the fjords. dselect is here though
09:38<TCW>That's what I liked about the Gnome 2.x applets... small, useful, shoed infos, no hassle.
09:39<thuldin>there are various of such to install
09:39<rss>please guys no gnome / kde bashing
09:39<thuldin>but maybe not hd temp
09:39<thuldin>sensor monitor says hd temp
09:40<thuldin>but for some reason the widget doesnt show up
09:41<mns>nothing beats that =]
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09:42<TCW>mns, you think? I beg to differ! :)
09:42<ayaka>themill, , I heard dpkg(bot) wasn't here I shall as other bot instead?
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09:43<mns>TCW, did you saw that? that's just an example of what can be done with a default kde install
09:43<mns>kde 4.6 btw
09:44<ayaka>dselect, systemd
09:44<TCW>mns, saw what? The deviantart link about that not so bad looking theme / desktop appearance?
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09:44<mns>TCW, yeah. clean, fast ad professional apps
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09:45<TCW>mns, maybe so... but the sensors output is just horrible :)
09:45<thuldin>i found this milky icon theme looks nice with oxygen
09:45<mns>TCW, yeah, but you can do different with plasma
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09:46<mns>TCW, and do the way you like it
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09:46<ayaka>themill, , I heard dpkg(bot) wasn't here so,I shall ask other bot instead?
09:46<TCW>hold on a second... I'll log in in gnome and make a screenshot and explain with that screenshot what I need / want.
09:46<babilen>ayaka: yes, use dselect or systemd as mentioned by themill earlier
09:47<ayaka>babilen, no I want to know the bot dpkg, I need to ask him somethinf
09:48<themill>dselect: spank ayaka
09:48*dselect bends ayaka over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK*
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09:48<babilen>ayaka: dpkg is not here -- use the dselect bot instead.
09:48*mns be back later
09:48<themill>dselect: tell ayaka dselectbot
09:48<themill>dselect: tell ayaka about dselectbot
09:48<Aleric>Isn't there a digital scope for debian of sorts? Something that life shows me the audio input/output of a soundcard?
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09:49<lindi->Aleric: there's xoscope but it's quite crappy if you ask me
09:49<lindi->Aleric: what are you trying to do?
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09:50<Aleric>lindi-: Currently, determine the maximum signal input that I should use.
09:50<lindi->Aleric: ah, audio stuff
09:51<Aleric>I'm building a microphone preamplifier that will be connected to line-in.. I need to know what the output signal voltage should be :/
09:51<ayaka>dselect seems stupid than dpkg, will dpkg add support for utf-8 this time
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09:53<themill>ayaka: dselect is an exact clone of dpkg...
09:53<ayaka>themill, if dpkg don't know something, he will say I don't know in joke way
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09:58<mihau>Hello, is there a way to change file system from ntfs to ext without dataloss?
09:59<TCW> <- mns, thuldin, Bushmills, one panel, all infos I want, just one look and I know whats going on (in this case.... I should clean the CPU cooler, probably too much dust in the cooler)
09:59<lindi->mihau: you are trying to do this without backups?
09:59<madadam1>how could I control which ntfs I've installed on my debian?
09:59<mihau>lindi-, well, I don't have another 450+GB device :P
10:00<lindi->mihau: you can just move files in small sets from ntfs to ext and then resize to be able to copy more
10:00<mihau>Just wanted to ask if there is a way w/o backup.
10:00<TCW>mihau, there is no direct conversion possible... but I guess a bold man could do something there... shrink ntfs, add extN partition, move files from one to the other, shrink ntfs again, enlarge extN partition, move again...
10:00<babilen>mihau: No, you can not convert NTFS to ext* in place AFAIK
10:01<TCW>mihau, that may work... but I consider it a very dirty hack
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10:01<mihau>lindi-, TCW, I believe it takes a lot of time
10:01<mihau>which I don't have
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10:02<mihau>well, all I really hope is a friend with an empty 500GB disk ;-)
10:02<TCW>mihau, why do you want to change the partition now?
10:02<babilen>I would just create a ext* fs that is large enough somewhere else and move the files over. That, however, requires that you have a different harddisk or partition around.
10:02<babilen>mihau: That will do.
10:03<babilen>mihau: What is your goal with this? Why do you want to convert it?
10:03<TCW>mihau, come over, I have lots of free space... bring pizza as well! ;)
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10:04<mihau>TCW, where to find you? :P babilen, as I have already written - I don't have another device, TCW, it takes a lot of time to copy, shrink, convert, etc.
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10:04<rss>mihau: 1TB usb disk going for less 100 euro now
10:04<babilen>mihau: I was referring to the 500GB hdd you've mentioned.
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10:05<mihau>rss, I don't need new device
10:05<babilen>mihau: But please enlighten us -- What is your goal?
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10:06<mihau>babilen, I want to convert it because ntfs-3g driver on the other machine uses lots of cpu while writing/reading with high speed (the machine is intel celeron 1,8, 256MBDDR1, pure shell)
10:07<rss>mihau: it sounds like you do! Clearly you cannot make backups.
10:07<babilen>mihau: Ack, good reason. No, head over to your friends place (bring pirogi and beer) and trade them for the hdd
10:08<Bushmills>mihau: even if in-sito conversion was possible, doing so without backup would still be a bad idea
10:08<dselect>Test failed.
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10:10<mihau>rss, it's multimedia data
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10:10<mihau>rss, it doesn't need a backup :P
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10:10<Bushmills>"multimedia" aka "uncritical, can be re-obtained any time"?
10:11<TCW>mihau, then delete the partition, create a new ext4 partition and all is well :)
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10:12<TCW>But ok... there is a gap between "don't want to backup" and "sad if lost"... which takes about most of the diskspace I own :)
10:12<rss>mihau: if data loss is not a problem then use a small usb device to copy relavant kernal and system files to it using a live cd /reformat your partition and copy relevant content back
10:12<mihau>TCW, exactly :P
10:13<TCW>but it is a lot more than just 500GB... if it would be so little I *would* backup :)
10:13<mihau>rss, the system is on a different device, jsut the data is on the USB disk, as TCW said, it doesn't need a backup, but I would be sad if i have lost it :p
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10:16<rss>mihau: there are live cd's using gparted that can resize patitions and you can then copy content from one to the other. repeat process untill conversion is complete. That would preserve the that if it works and if it does not then simply format and live with the loss.
10:17<mihau>rss, I think I haven't understood you previously, now it's clear ;-)
10:17<rss>mihau: hirens boot cd with a mini linux comes to mind
10:17<TCW>rss, exactly what U suggested early (if he is bold enough to try that without backup) but no live CD needed, it is an external media...
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10:18<rss>TCW, mihau: I had not realised external media was involved
10:19<TCW>rss, ever saw a linux root filesystem on a ntfs filesystem? :)
10:19<rss>no but i have devices with a linux and ntfs partition
10:20<mihau>anyway, livecd wouldn't be that bad idea since I have pure shell on that machine
10:21<mihau>somehow I dont think I am bold enough to do it :P
10:21<rss>mihau: agreed gparted in commandline is a bitch
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10:22<mihau>another problem would be that I don't have any cdrom and not sure if mobo supports usb boot, quite old machine
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10:22<mihau>I will just wait for a friend with enough space :P
10:22<TCW>mihau, btw. do you want to copy TO that disk or from it?
10:23<mihau>TCW, I want to copy from, then make it ext, then copy again :P
10:23<rss>mihau: usb boot with live on usb device should be possible. the test to find out would be nondestructive. if is doesnt boot then no problem
10:24<TCW>mihau, if the linux machine is the one that tends to only read off that media, I'd try the other ntfs drivers which may perform better but can't write reliable...
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10:24<mihau>TCW, it needs write funcion as well
10:25<Pavin>connected via n900 :)
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10:26<rss>mihau: waiting for a friend is an option. as I said a new disk as extra is not that expensive. Again I may be biased. I remember when 1500 euro equivalent needed to be paid for mere megabytes. now for less that 100 euro 1 Terabyte available. if usb speed is ok, then spend the mony place the drive format it cop content and retire old drive
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10:29<mihau>rss, that is an option too, but recently I started new job and I can't afford that kind of luxury, also, I am a student, I work only when I'm free from university
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10:29<rss>mihau: understood
10:30<mihau>because of the job, I don't have much time to spend with resizing/moving/resizing/moving thing.
10:30<mihau>I work 6 days per week about 9-10 hours as a driver
10:30<mihau>thing is exhausting
10:30<rss>mihau: that was implied when you said job as a student :)
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10:31<mihau>maybe next month I will re-think buying new device ;-)
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10:34<mihau>Ok guys, thanks for all the answers, tomorrow is a sunday, so I'm gonna get hammered today ;-) have a nice saturday as well :)
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10:35<rss>mihau: have a nice time
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10:41<kal>hello guys, anyone free to help me with some problems?
10:42<sney>just ask and if anyone knows they will help
10:42<kal>ok, so no program or even the terminal recognices teh "r" and "c" keys
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10:43<kal>however "r" key seems to be mapped t "volume down"
10:43<kal>and i can write them in capitals "R" and "C"
10:44<kal>hope anyone knows anything about this "remapping" (?)
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10:46<sml>hi people
10:47<rss>kal: is that in an X environment or on the console
10:47<sml>my new laptop has just arrived. HP G62. cheap but fairly well spec'd. Anyhow I want to install Debian on it (that's why I bought it). Now it came with Win 7 (had no choice) and no CD came with it. it has a recovery partition and an HP Tools and System partition. how do I install Debian in a way that co-exists quite happily with that setup
10:48<MrFrood>%tell kal about keymap
10:48<kal>on X enviroment
10:48<wols>sml: first thing you do is making a recovery DVD
10:48<sml>wols: OK. then I nuke the partitions or I still need them?
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10:49<rss>kal: that means your desktop environment is doing something. what desktop do you use
10:49<babilen>sml: You probably have to resize the windows partition which can be done during the installation or before with a gparted boot CD. Then just install Debian, make sure that "os-prober" is installed and everything should be fine.
10:49<wols>and as long as you don't remove the partitions HP put on there for the recovery stuff, you are fine
10:49<wols>you supposedly don't need them with the DVD made
10:49<babilen>%dual boot guide
10:49<dselect>A guide for setting up dual booting with various combinations of Linux and Windows (XP, Vista, 7) can be found at . The guide covers both Windows and Linux being installed first on the machine. Also ask me about <fixmbr>, <supergrub>.
10:49<babilen>sml: Also take a look at ^^^^
10:50<sml>super. thanks! thought I may have to just use dd to make a disk image to an external HD or summink
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10:50<sml>babilen: is the resize thing during install a new thing? Not seen it before? And is it safe to resize a partition?
10:51<rss>kal: I am no a gnome expert. I do not run a gnome desktop. However check in system settings, the input related suff. you should find something there
10:51<babilen>sml: I would also recommend to create the recovery DVDs from within Windows, but I can not tell you how to do that. What kind of network connection do you have (wireless (wpa(2), wep, open) ethernet) and what controllers are in use there?
10:51<babilen>sml: It is quite safe (I have done it multiple times) but a backup is still a good thing.
10:52<sml>babilen: Well I don't really know either as I don't use Windows (but since I paid for it I thougth I'd leave it installed anyway - never know when there's some app that wont play ball with WINE) but can work it out. thanks.
10:52<babilen>Do Windows filesystems still need defrag before that?
10:52<petemc>you can resize safely within windows 7
10:52<babilen>sml: You don't know how you connect to your network?
10:52<babilen>petemc: Ah, even better.
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10:53<kal>ok i will check
10:53<babilen>sml: See petemc's remark -- Apparently you can resize from within Windows too.
10:53<sml>babilen: Eh? I meant I don't know how to make the recovery DVDs though I read on the HP site a way to do it so..
10:53<babilen>sml: Ah! Ok, what about your network connection?
10:53<sml>babilen: yeah well I think I'd be happier using gparted..
10:53<sml>babilen: it's Wireless. WPA2
10:53<sml>though I have gigabit ethernet too
10:53<babilen>sml: Do whatever you are most comfortable with.
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10:54<babilen>sml: Ok, I would use ethernet for the installation. Which chipset/NIC do you have?
10:54<sml>babilen: OKay cool. but basically the consensus here is make some re-install DVDs.. leave the partitions there.. (don't nuke em) and re-size the partition either in windows or via the Debian installer. Oh, and make sure I install os-prober. Will GRUB pick up those system partitions then?
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10:55<sml>babilen: I have Debian on DVD.
10:55<babilen>sml: Yes it will -- I am just trying to figure out which installation ISO to recommend, which depends on your network connectivity *and* the hardware involved. If you want to play safe you can just get the firmware images.
10:56<babilen>%tell sml -about firmware image
10:56<babilen>sml: How proficient are you with Debian/Linux?
10:56<sml>babilen: Ah OK. get ya. Well not sure which I have since the copy of Debian I have came on the cover of a magazine.
10:56<sml>babilen: very
10:57<sml>just extremely rubbish with hardware.. as I haven't bought a PC since the 486 days!
10:57<babilen>sml: Hmm, not sure if that "cover of a magazine" one is to be trusted or if it is outdated. I would recommend to download an ISO directly from Debian, and I would recommend the netinstall with firmware in your case.
10:57<rss>sml: use a wired network and the business card iso is my recommendation
10:58<sml>babilen: well it came with this month's Linux Format. ALong with a few other distros. Was just going to use that as it saves me dowloading the ISO from debian
10:58<babilen>sml: As you are very proficient you probably know which desktop environment/window manager you want ... I would recommend to just install the standard task + laptop and take it from there. You can also use the business card ISO as rss noted.
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10:58<sml>babilen: very proficient with servers. in fact the reason why i wanted to buy the laptop was to play with GNome 3 and Unity etc
10:59<babilen>sml: Well, ok. I *will* blame them if something breaks though and it does most likely not contain firmware which you *might* need.
10:59<sml>babilen: last window manager I used was window maker about ten years ago
10:59<rss>babilen: business card iso is installable to usb stick as an installer no need to burn
10:59<babilen>sml: Well, gnome3 is not that well supported on Debian (yet) and definitely not in Debian stable.
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10:59<sml>babilen: OK well I'll take your advice
11:00<babilen>rss: As are all the others. The main for my recommendation is that I can not be sure if firmware is needed. But that can be remedied with firmware on a USB stick too as discussed in the installation guide.
11:00<sml>babilen: I was also planning on running testing or installing interesting stuff via backports. basically been running Debian stable for years and this laptop was just a chance to play with some desktop stuff and maybe some less stable stuff. not an important machine.
11:00<babilen>%tell sml -about gnome3
11:01<sml>babilen: ah, so it's not even really in sid then even?
11:01<babilen>sml: Check that website for the current status. If you plan to run testing, note that we have a specific channel for testing (#debian-next) and I would recommend to read the sid FAQ linked in its /topic.
11:01<babilen>sml: Indeed -- Hang on, I'll dig up a recent post by Raphaël on that topic.
11:01<rss>babilen:for the wireless you probably need firmware for most hp they use broadcom wired nic that does not need firmware to work. I have not tested this recently though
11:02<sml>ok well thanks for the good advice. will run along and have a play now. am sure it'll all be OK I just wanted to make sure i avoided any pitfalls
11:02<sml>was also going to play with btrfs etc. basically a toy to play with new stuff.
11:03<rss>sml: my experience with btrfs is good
11:03<babilen>sml: (the situation might have changed slightly by now) -- I also don't agree with Raphaël that "testing" should be in your sources.list, but would recommend to use "wheezy"
11:03<rss>sml: that is i run it and am satisfied
11:03<babilen>sml: btrfs is *not* ready for production or even halfway serious use.
11:03<sml>rss: I've heard it's good but it's still experimental right? though like I said I'm not running it on any important live machine.
11:04<rss>sml: for production use avoid btrfs
11:04<babilen>sml: It might also turn out that you'll have problems with nvidia/fglrx -- I haven't checked the situation today, but there were some bugs. Ask about it in #debian-next please
11:04<sml>snapshots without using LVM would be nice
11:04<rss>babilen: I use btrfs on my laptop and it works well
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11:05<sml>babilen: well Ill get it up and running and if i run into any problems i'll go over to #debian-next
11:05<sml>is there a debian SID channel too?
11:05<babilen>rss: I will *not* recommend its usage in here as I believe that official endorsement is *way* to early.
11:05<babilen>sml: #debian-next is the wheezy/sid channel.
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11:06<rss>sml: btrfs snapshots are really cool. both origanl and snapshot can remain writable if you need that
11:06<sml>babilen: well LVM leads to massive corruption quite regularly. btrfs sounds a good prospect for the future. but will leave it alone for now if it really is that scary.
11:07<rss>babilen: agreed. DO NOT USE BTRFS FOR PRODUCTION USE.
11:08<babilen>I agree that btrfs is a nice filesystem, but I will not endorse its usage in #d as it is far from being ready to be used in production. (personal laptop, to huge clusters/servers for banks)
11:08<babilen>rss: heh :)
11:08<babilen>sml: Well, have fun and see you in #d-next soon. :-D
11:08<sml>babilen: LOL :)
11:08<rss>babilen: Do as I say not do as I do
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11:09<sml>aparantly i can sell my licence back to M$. though I didnt' get a cd so not sure how i'd do that. but anyway, todays games start :)
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11:10<madadam1>I've a problem mounting by ntfs-3g a external usb hd. in fstan I've wrote /dev/sdb1 /mnt/storage ntfs-3g rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 0 0, but it doesn't mount
11:10<cahoot>no error msg?
11:11<madadam1>cahoot, no
11:11<sml>madadam1: what happens if you try and mount it manually?
11:11<madadam1>sml, it works
11:11<sml>madadam1: weird :)
11:12<madadam1>mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt/storage/
11:12<madadam1>it works
11:12<rss>madadam1: looks like the auto is missing from your option list
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11:12<cahoot>try mount /mnt/storage
11:12<towo`>auto is not needed
11:12*sml runs off to break his new laptop
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11:13<towo`>and btw /dev/sdb1 /mnt/storage ntfs-3g defaults should be enougth on a recent version of ntfs-3g
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11:13<Bushmills>i think auto is not needed when "defaults" is specified, as defaults included auto
11:13<alazare>i need some help with xorg.conf manually editing debian / ubuntu / linux mint none of them see my laptops external monitor adapter and i want when i have a cable connected to it to make 1 big desktop ne ideas where to start editing it at?
11:13<towo`>auto is never needed
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11:13<madadam1>cahoot, it works
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11:14<Aleric>alazare: I can show you mine.. it's got a welth of info /tricks... much better than anything else I found on the net ...
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11:14<alazare>could you pastebin it?
11:14<jak0>i have a problem with vidalia...i cant conect..
11:14<Aleric>just as guide then.. no time to tune it for you :p.. Ok, lemme paste it.
11:14<madadam1>cahoot, mount /mnt/storage works
11:15<alazare>Aleric, i would appreciate it if you could pastebin it or something im about to head to work so if you uped it ill take a look after work :P
11:15<rss>madadam1: how about mount -1
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11:15<rss>madadam1: how about mount -a
11:15<jak0>i have squeeze
11:15<madadam1>rss, mount -a nothing
11:15<Aleric>what's the debian paste site?
11:15<Bushmills> /etc/init.d/ does mount -a, and about auto option the man page says "auto Can be mounted with the -a option"
11:16<dselect>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
11:16<madadam1>rss mount -l
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11:16<rss>madadam1: mount -a mounts all filesystems specifies in fstab that do not have a noauto option
11:16<madadam1>rss, ok
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11:17<s_i_m>what happened to our fellow dpkg bot?
11:17<jak0>this is my log....
11:17<jak0>Jul 09 11:08:44.221 [Notice] Tor v0.2.1.29 (r318f470bc5f2ad43). This is experimental software. Do not rely on it for strong anonymity. (Running on Linux i686)
11:17<jak0>Jul 09 11:08:44.222 [Notice] Initialized libevent version 1.4.13-stable using method epoll. Good.
11:17<jak0>Jul 09 11:08:44.222 [Notice] Opening Socks listener on
11:17<jak0>Jul 09 11:08:44.222 [Warning] Could not bind to Address already in use. Is Tor already running?
11:17<jak0>Jul 09 11:08:44.223 [Warning] Failed to parse/validate config: Failed to bind one of the listener ports.
11:17<jak0>Jul 09 11:08:44.223 [Error] Reading config failed--see warnings above.
11:17<jak0>Jul 09 11:09:19.308 [Notice] Tor v0.2.1.29 (r318f470bc5f2ad43). This is experimental software. Do not rely on it for strong anonymity. (Running on Linux i686)
11:17<jak0>Jul 09 11:09:19.320 [Warning] ControlPort is open, but no authentication method has been configured. This means that any program on your computer can reconfigure your Tor. That's bad! You should upgrade your Tor controller as soon as possible.
11:17<jak0>Jul 09 11:09:19.320 [Notice] Initialized libevent version 1.4.13-stable using method epoll. Good.
11:17<jak0>Jul 09 11:09:19.321 [Notice] Opening Socks listener on
11:17<jak0>Jul 09 11:09:19.321 [Warning] Could not bind to Address already in use. Is Tor already running?
11:17<jak0>Jul 09 11:09:19.321 [Warning] Failed to parse/validate config: Failed to bind one of the listener ports.
11:17<jak0>Jul 09 11:09:19.322 [Error] Reading config failed--see warnings above.
11:17<jak0>Jul 09 11:16:30.209 [Notice] Tor v0.2.1.29 (r318f470bc5f2ad43). This is experimental software. Do not rely on it for strong anonymity. (Running on Linux i686)
11:17<nyov>jak0: can't you read?
11:17<cahoot>why isn't he kicked?
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11:17<jak0>Jul 09 11:16:30.264 [Warning] ControlPort is open, but no authentication method has been configured. This means that any program on your computer can reconfigure your Tor. That's bad! You should upgrade your Tor controller as soon as possible.
11:17<jak0>Jul 09 11:16:30.264 [Notice] Initialized libevent version 1.4.13-stable using method epoll. Good.
11:17<jak0>Jul 09 11:16:30.265 [Notice] Opening Socks listener on
11:17<s_i_m>jak0, do not flood
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11:17<madadam1>rss, any idea?
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11:18<wols>cahoot: some clients, e.g. irssi slow down after 3 lines...
11:18<jak0>ok tor is the problem???
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11:19<jak0>i tried on google
11:19<nyov>cahoot: debhelper is on vacation
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11:19<cahoot>gone somewhere with dpkg?
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11:20<TCW>17:06:34 <sml> babilen: well LVM leads to massive corruption quite regularly. btrfs sounds a good prospect for the future... <- what?! Massive and regular LVM corruption? -vvvv please! :)
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11:20<alazare>ahhh so the dual screen section makes for it using screen0 and a second sub section with screen 1 just adding a 1 at the end but identical displays
11:20<rss>madadam1: no sorry. As far as i know mount -a should work. I use is if I forget to attach my external usb drive before I power on my laptop. It mounts exactly where i want it then.
11:20<alazare>is that each displays size or the combined?
11:20<mekt>jak0: this log seems irrelevant. tor is started already. check netstat or similar and ps. "[Warning] Could not bind to Address already in use. Is Tor already running?"
11:21<rss>going AFK
11:21<madadam1>rss, mount - a works to me too, but I need that the device mount automatically at start up
11:21<jak0>ok, what should i do when i install vidalia
11:21<jak0>it asks for some
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11:22<jak0>tor configuration
11:22<alazare>well gotta go hope your on when i get back Aleric
11:22<Aleric>alazare: The most important trick here is to use a single fake "Monitor" (S205BW_S205BW_TwinView) for twin view, and the fact that I put ....
11:22<Aleric>whatever.. go
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11:22<SpeedyG>hm, anyone here know what might be the reaseon that after a restart, my screen resolution changed to 1024x768 and that has become the max reso ?
11:22*Aleric wonders why people ask complex questions when they have only 3 minutes left.
11:22<SpeedyG>while during last run, it had 1680x1050
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11:23<TCW>SpeedyG, what gfx chipset / driver / hardware do you have there?
11:23<SpeedyG>TCW: nvidia GF8500
11:23<SpeedyG>nvidia driver installed
11:23<mekt>jak0: perhaps tor is started by the SysV init scripts? check in /etc/init.d
11:23<SpeedyG>TCW: and as far as I know, between the last run and today nothing has changed..
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11:24<TCW>SpeedyG, Debian stable? VGA or DVI?
11:24<mekt>--or by pppd . Check in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d
11:24<SpeedyG>TCW: squeeze with vga
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11:25<jak0>yes is started...
11:25<TCW>SpeedyG, if you are sure nothing has changed, then maybe the VGA cable is broken (one wire may be corrupt) and so the card can't figure the TFT specs out anymore
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11:26<SpeedyG>TCW: nope, works just fine on other systems
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11:26<TCW>SpeedyG, how do you try to change the resolution anyway?
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11:27<TCW>Uh... how well is nouveau in stable btw.?
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11:27<sney>TCW: 2d only but it works
11:28<jak0>ok here is the answer to my question:
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11:29<TCW>SpeedyG, I'd suggest to test nouveau... so remove nvidia, remove xorg.conf, make sure xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is installed, reboot, log in, run xrandr -q
11:29<SpeedyG>TCW: restarting KDM seems to have helped...
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11:30<TCW>SpeedyG, ok... then maybe just a loose contact
11:30<SpeedyG>I tried to change the resolution using the standard KDE settings manager
11:30<TCW>SpeedyG, oops? Does that work with the binary nvidia drivers?
11:32<SpeedyG>TCW: the first (and last) time I tried it did.. it nicely gave me all options that I needed (which was basically to change from 1024x768 to 1680x1050)
11:33<TCW>as I have the binary nvidia drivers installed as well, but the driver is not very good with xrandr which all free / open GUI resolution settings tool use... here, DualHead and xrandr can't change a bit of the settings and thinks my display is just one with the size of 3360x1050...
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11:34<jak0>ok the problem was the port on 9050...
11:34<SpeedyG>hm, if only the linux community could make these kind of issues more 'userfriendly' to be solved..
11:34<TCW>SpeedyG, pardon? It is nvidias fault...
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11:35<SpeedyG>TCW: i'm not interested in who's fault it is tbh... it's just that if these kind of issues would be less, linux adoption would become much easier
11:35<TCW>no one in the open community can hack the nvidia drivers to support xrandr as every other driver does.
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11:36<sney>TCW: but nouveau has 3d support upstream now. it's only a matter of time before the free driver replaces the proprietary one completely
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11:36<TCW>SpeedyG, it does matter whose fault it is... it is just dumb (sorry) to be ignorant there.
11:36<TCW>sney, I know... but it may need another year or two until it is "there" :)
11:37<sney>especially since unlike xorg radeon, they don't have help from the gpu maker
11:37<SpeedyG>TCW: it depends from which perspective you're looking.... from a dev/*nix guy's perspective you're absolutely right... from and end-user perspective 'the damn thing should just work'
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11:37<TCW>SpeedyG, and to be blunt.. those guys that do all the "hacking" don't give a f... about the wide adoption of Linux to Mainstream-WIndows-market
11:38<TCW>SpeedyG, I am an enduser, but not an ignorant one.
11:38<sney>I've been telling people buying new hardware that if they want to install debian, that they should get an ati gpu
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11:39<TCW>SpeedyG, so it only depends on the ignorance, PERIOD! ;)
11:39<SpeedyG>sney: thats a good thing to keep in mind when buying my next computer
11:40<sney>though by then it may have changed. the thing to keep in mind is just to find what has the best compatibility with everything before you drop cash
11:41<SpeedyG>true, until a few months ago I didnt care much about compatibilty since I only ran windows anyway... but wanted to get rid of windows since it started giving more and more issues
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11:42<TCW>But to be fair... the nvidia drivers are not that bad, in general they work like a charm. Some things suck (like the only-binary character) but a GNU/Linux powered with a Nvidia GPU works very well :)
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11:43<SpeedyG>yeah, it does :)
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11:43<SpeedyG>its just that the mayor issue that i've always had with *nix had something to do with display drivers doing awkward stuff
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11:43<mekt>The NVidia drivers are better in how they handle DPI than recent Xorg drivers.
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11:44<sney>if only they could put similar effort into compatibility with normal X tools
11:44<TCW>SpeedyG, and am advise... if you want to get rid of Windows and feel "home" in the GNU/Linux world... try to abandon that ignorance and feel the freedom with all its pros and cons :)
11:44<SpeedyG>(where always is like... in the past 12 years or so...)
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11:45<SpeedyG>TCW: it's not full ignorance.. it's just a bit of both sides ;)
11:45<SpeedyG>'the damn thing should just work' and nvidia should've been much more cooperative to start with! :)
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11:46<batista>iae galera... boa noite a todos!
11:46<SpeedyG>(and depending on the level of frustration with this display-issues, one of both is taking the lead in my wording probably)
11:46<batista>ou boa tarde no Brasil =)
11:46<sney>dselect: br
11:46<dselect>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
11:47<TCW>sney, how long do you think it may take until you realise that dpkg is not there at the moment? :p
11:47<batista>ooww... sorry all
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11:48<zykotick9>sney, my recent research into video cards with open drivers seemed to suggest ATI didn't have open drivers with 3d support? Is your recommendation based on ATI's proprietary driver, or am I wrong about the open driver situation?
11:48<TCW>SpeedyG, your statement a few minutes ago, was full of ignorance, sorry :p
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11:49<TCW>zykotick9, uh? Most radeon chips have working 3D with the free radeon driver
11:49<SpeedyG>TCW: my level of frustration was quite high at that moment, but it's ok now ;)
11:49<sney>you're wrong about the open driver situation. the 'radeon' driver has full 3d support for most ati gpus except the very newest. the only non-free requirement is firmware, which is conveniently packaged inside the firmware-linux-nonfree
11:49<mekt>sney: what tools does nvidia have trouble with in compatibility?
11:49<sney>mekt: scroll up, it was discussed in SpeedyG's support issue
11:49<wols>zykotick9: radeon supports 3D just fine. xserver-xorg-radeon
11:49<TCW>mekt, xrandr
11:49<zykotick9>sney, TCW wols thanks
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11:51<zykotick9>sney, TCW wols = ati / works with 3d / "No video cards found.. " --- strange?
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11:52<sney>zykotick9: I have no idea what you just said. but right now I'm on a machine with a radeon x1300, and using the 'radeon' driver, I can play 3d games with hardware acceleration.
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11:53<zykotick9>sney, is FSF approved hardware listing - they have a little database. I certainly trust you, i just think it's strange that site doesn't list any ATI cards with 3d support.
11:53<sney>zykotick9: indeed. maybe it just hasn't been updated for a while.
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11:54<zykotick9>sney, if the Radeon ATI firmware is non-free that would explain it (re-read your post above).
11:54<mekt>zykotick9, sney: ATI is arguably (or suspected of) violating the GPL license.
11:55<sney>ah, fsf approved.... ok, yeah
11:55<sney>the driver is free-ish, since it doesn't need firmware for 2d support
11:56<zykotick9>sney, in there database chaning to "works without 3d" has lots on entries ;) Thanks though.
11:56<sney>it's a long shot more free than fglrx at least.
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12:09<wols>!ops please show luigi what happens to spammers
12:09*babilen hands wols a %
12:10<babilen>luigi: Please don't do that -- Goodbye.
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12:11<opalepatrick>HI I installed wine and since I have had no sound on debian 6. Any checklist style walkthru's to test?
12:13<wols>%alsa checklist
12:13<dselect>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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12:14<opalepatrick>excellent wols thanks a lot
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12:36<babilen>How can I search for packages that build-depend on others? I am surprised to realise that aptitude does not offer that search term.
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12:39<chealer>babilen: hum, so which packages build-depend on a certain package?
12:39<babilen>chealer: yup
12:39*babilen hugs themill
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12:47<andalepaco>Facundo cabral die in Guatemala
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12:51<chealer>babilen: you could use grep-dctrl
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12:53<babilen>chealer: Does that make sense on my local machine or would I have to run that somewhere else?
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12:54<themill>build-rdeps uses grep-dctrl
12:54<opalepatrick>strange. alsa sound stopped working after wine install - all looks fine, levels, users etc.
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12:54<babilen>themill: Ah, I'll read build-rdeps source code then.
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12:55<opalepatrick>and it has been working OK for the last month or so
12:55<chealer>babilen: you can use it on your local machine, will work fine if you have a deb-src source. it's part of dctrl-tools
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12:55<themill>babilen: grep-* are just pseudo-rfc822-aware tools that give you information stanza at a time.
12:56<babilen>chealer: yeah, I've found it already. Might have been one of those "alioth"-only tools ..
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12:56<chealer>babilen: it's not... try something like $ grep-dctrl -s Package -F Build-Depends libc6-dev /var/lib/apt/lists/
12:57<chealer>or on main...
12:57<jak0>does exist any aplicationfor this web page :
12:58<babilen>chealer: perfect, ta! (/me adds build-rdeps and grep-dctrl to the toolbox)
12:58<jak0>i have squeezze
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13:01<TCW>jak0, that application is called "flash plugin" there is a free flash player (should already be installed and just work) if that does not work, use adobe flashplayer
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13:01<dselect>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
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13:01<scinl>What's the new debian-testing/unstable channel name?
13:01<TCW>jak0, see what dselect wrote
13:01<TCW>scinl, see the topic?
13:01<themill>scinl: /topic
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13:02<Black_Prince>wasn't it easier just to write channel name? :/
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13:03<TCW>Black_Prince, help one so that he can help himself is (most) always better then just the most straight answer
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13:04<scinl>TCW: themill: Thank you both, due to nvidia being broken in testing, I'm using IRSSI at something like 600x320 resolution without startx, so it wasn't so visible/present! Thanks all, and Black_Prince, I preferred their answer. :D
13:04<chealer>Black_Prince: you're lucky we're not in the good ol' days
13:04<chealer>!topicsmite scinl
13:04<chealer>%topicsmite scinl
13:04<dselect>And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon scinl. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.
13:04<TCW>44 Duos for Two Violins: Volume 1, 5-6-7-8-9 [BB 104] <- jak0, and btw. thanks for the link :)
13:05<jak0>it is a great page!
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13:09<jak0>TCW: what does mean what you typed??
13:09<TCW>jak0, indeed! *looking at the Johann Sebastian Bach playlist* not very complete, but...
13:09<dselect>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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13:10<jak0>well not a lot of old music, try new one and youll see...!!!
13:11<ibbe>hi all
13:11<scinl>ibbe; hallo!
13:11<TCW>jak0, 44 duos for two violins... that is a classical piece from Bela Bartok... anyway, as the allmighty scinl with help from his almost-as-mighty sidekick dselect just told us... no offtopic talk her, so shhhh! :)
13:12<TCW>here even
13:12<scinl>(10:08) < chealer > Black_Prince: you're lucky we're not in the good ol' days
13:13<ibbe>how r u?
13:13<jak0>We had a problem loading Flash. You may have a Flash blocker installed. If so, please disable the blocker (or add an exception) and reload to start listening.
13:13<jak0>what about?
13:14<ibbe>jako hw r u?
13:14<jak0>doing well
13:14<themill>ibbe, jak0: perhaps you were looking for #moocows for social chatter
13:15<scinl>What about #debian-offtopic?
13:15<wols>#d-o has standards
13:16<ibbe>yap themil
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13:29<cmg>I could use some help configuring wifi using iwconfig. i believe i hav all the needed libs loaded aswell as removed all competing drivers for the broadcom4313 card. but i get a error message when i try to enter the WEP 10digit is a printout of my attempt if anyone has time to check it out and here is my lsmod
13:29<cmg>im using squeexe business card base install with openbox
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13:40<scinl>cmg: That's awesome. #openbox is pretty dead. Feel free to PM me about openbox anytime.
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13:40<scinl>cmg: Debian's blazing fast. Thanks for going with Debian rather than CrunchBang (#!)
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13:47<zykotick9>Is there a method to list all installed packages from a specific repository? In this case d-m.
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13:49<daemonkeeper>dselect: apt-listrepositories
13:49<dselect>daemonkeeper: are you using Windows?
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13:50<daemonkeeper>Thanks. The database seems outdated, therefore
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13:52<zykotick9>daemonkeeper, thanks - looks to be exactly what i was looking for
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14:09<cmg>I could use some help configuring wifi using iwconfig. i believe i hav all the needed libs loaded aswell as removed all competing drivers for the broadcom4313 card. but i get a error message when i try to enter the WEP 10digit is a printout of my attempt if anyone has time to check it out and here is my lsmod
14:09<cmg> im using squeexe business card base install with openbox
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14:19<Your_Dragon113>Anyone homee?
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14:20<Your_Dragon113>hey drew
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14:20<scinl>Your_Dragon113: I'm homee, homie. Welcome to #debian, it's homey.
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14:21<Your_Dragon113>I'm somewhat a noob here.....just installed ubuntu and trying to leearnit
14:22<dselect>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
14:22<Your_Dragon113>(and has a keyboard that lovees to throw in double E;s too. lol)
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14:23<Your_Dragon113>what's better than ubuntu?
14:23<scinl>Debian is the GOAT.
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14:24<MrFrood>Your_Dragon113: nothing is "better" it is about what works for you - but I think we are all Debian fans here
14:24<scinl>"better", used by itself as a standalone descriptive word, is a terrible way to compare Linux distributions. It all comes down to what you USE the distro for...
14:25<Your_Dragon113>points well to be taken
14:25<ompaul>Your_Dragon113: how did you end up here - given that the ubuntu irc clients point to #ubuntu on
14:25<Your_Dragon113>as I said.....I'm pretty new to this world. lol
14:26<scinl>Your_Dragon113: Debian's actually a great desktop distro, not nearly as hard to use as people that preach ubuntu would have you believe.
14:26<vrkalak>while Ubuntu is loosely based on Debian-unstable ... the Ubuntu Devs have changed everything so much, that Ubuntu and Debian are no longer compatible nor interchangeable
14:26<scinl>Is Mint Debian Edition supported in #debian?
14:26<ml|>no mint has it's channel
14:26<dselect>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
14:27<scinl>ompaul: THank you. AHHH thanks!
14:27<MrFrood>Your_Dragon113: I like sability so I use Debian, my 14 year oldd godson likes SNS so he uses Ubuntu
14:27<Your_Dragon113>I installeed a client that was to get me into IRC....but this client is nothing like mIRC......I'm still feeling lost. lmao
14:27<vrkalak>scinl, LMDE is a basic Debian with the Mint repros, Apps and tools added . . . they are totally compatible
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14:27<socratesxd>i just have a problem after i reinstalled debian
14:28<socratesxd>i don't have sound
14:28<socratesxd>can someone help me?
14:28<scinl>vrkalak: But I'm right in assuming that LMDE is supported only SOMEWHAT (not where repository stuff or other proprietary Mint stuff's concerned) in #debian-next, and not at all in #debian
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14:29<wols>vrkalak: but they are not debian
14:29<wols>%tell socratesxd about alsa checklist
14:29<ompaul>mint is on and #linuxmint-help not here
14:29<vrkalak>wols, correct 'they' are not Debian
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14:30<scinl>With these support differences, and oftc#debian, #debian-next and feeN#debian being so great, I don't know why anybody would even want to use MintDE or Aptosid, seriously.
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14:31<scinl>This should be in the FAQ: Q. Why should I use Debian? A. Because jm_ uses Debian.
14:33<cmg>socratessxd : try looking here first
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14:35<vrkalak>as my "for work" OS, I use a vanilla Debian 6 'stable' -- because, Debian-stable is just that ... rock-solid stable - always
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14:54<zykotick9>I've encoded all my video files to webm format. After removing the d-m repsoitory, mplayer or vlc from default squeeze repo is unable to play them (they do work in Iceweasel, but that's not ideal). Is there a way to add support for webm (other then adding d-m)? Would a library from sid installed using !ssb method work?
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14:56<socratesxd>i don't have sound yet
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14:58<ras>can someone help me, I don't have any sound on my new squeeze
14:58<ras>with this card : 00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1)
14:58<scinl>%tell ras about alsa checklist
14:59<scinl>ras: also try looking here:
14:59<weedeater64>apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils
14:59<MrFrood>%tell ras about alsactl
14:59<weedeater64>alsactl init
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15:03<ras>Unknown hardware: "NFORCE" "Realtek ALC650F" "AC97a:414c4723" "0x1043" "0x8095"
15:03<ras>Hardware is initialized using a guess method
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15:04<ras>everything else is ok weedeater64, except Noise.wav doesn't play even in root
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15:11<ras>can't find what's wrong weedeater64 :\
15:12<ras>everything is not appliable to me apparently ...
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15:13<socratesxd>hey, i don't have sound yet
15:14<ras>me neither :D
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15:14<socratesxd>someone help us!!
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15:15<ras><scinl> %tell socratesxd about alsa checklist
15:15<ras><scinl> ras: also try looking here:
15:15<ras>%tell socratesxd about alsa checklist
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15:16<ras>scinl, everything is okj for me (except Noise.wav in root) : \
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15:17<socratesxd>yes, i did that
15:17<socratesxd>and i don't have sound yet
15:17<ras>ow, cool
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15:27<kingsley>Is there a way to tell if the version of package <x> to be installed depends on package <y>, without upgrading package <x>? If so, how?
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15:27<weedeater64>ras: got alsamixer ?
15:28<chealer>kingsley: which package manager do you use?
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15:28<kingsley>chealer: I use dpkg, apt-get and aptitude.
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15:29<weedeater64>apt-get show package
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15:30<chealer>kingsley: you could check apt-cache or
15:30<weedeater64>erm, ya apt-cache show, sorry
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15:33<kingsley>chealer: "apt-cache showpkg" reports the installable version's dependencies. Thanks. Now I just need a way to winnow out just the dependencies.
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15:34<babilen>kingsley: Upgraded your box to squeeze yet? Or are you still trying to fix your status file problem?
15:34<kingsley>babilen: The later.
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15:36<babilen>kingsley: Really? You could have installed and configured Squeeze at least 5 times by now :) -- But meh, I am strangely impressed and wish you good luck!
15:37<kingsley>babilen: Have you seen the histogram of the ages of packages on my computer?
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15:37<babilen>kingsley: No, I have not. Is it online somewhere?
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15:40<babilen>kingsley: ta!
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15:41<kingsley>babilen: Wharbat darbid yarbou sarbay?
15:41<babilen>kingsley: Thank you (ta == brit for ty)
15:41<kingsley>babilen: You're welcome.
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15:50<scinl>Why dselect? Where has dpkg gone?
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15:52<Osiris_X>how do I find out what my system terminal font is?
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16:01<jhutchins_lt>dpkg is on summer break.
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16:11<jak0_>is there a dafoult flash player blocked on sqeeze?
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16:12<jak0_>i mean
16:12<jak0_>could be any blocker installed
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16:16<towo`>jak0_, there is default none
16:16<towo`>jak0_, if you want it, install it
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16:31<Anti-T>i need to install debian on my acer 4830TG
16:31<Anti-T>but ethernet card is not found
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16:32<Anti-T>after install i need to do that : echo "1969 1083" > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/atl1c/new_id <=
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16:32<Anti-T>and it work with module atl1c
16:32<Anti-T>how can i put this command on install ?
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16:42<sml>is LDE the default desktop environment in Debian 6.0 ?
16:44<towo`>the thing is named LXDE and no
16:44<grove>sml: Whether you mean KDE or LXDE, the answer is no, the defalt desktop environment is Gnome
16:45<sml>hmm something is wrong then. i've just installed debian 6 and it's the default for me
16:45<sml>also my wireless doesn't work. do I need to install some package to get wifi working?
16:46<towo`>possible missing firmware
16:46<towo`>but since your hardware is a secret, no one knows
16:46<sml>ah... there was a message about missing firmware earlier
16:47<sml>or rather the message said 'possible missing firmware'
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16:48<sml>towo`: HP G62.
16:48<towo`>that helps nothing
16:48<towo`>i will not google for the hardware in this computer
16:51<devil>sml: pastebin lspci -nn
16:51<sml>towo`: doesn't even say on the manufacturers site what the card actually is
16:51<sml>devil: ok
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16:55<sml>devil: see above
16:56<devil>sml: yeah, need to check
16:56<sml>babilen: the laptop install went well
16:56<chealer>sml: it's not the "default default", no. KDE is the "default" for some install images.
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16:56<dselect>Experimental support for Ralink RT53xx PCI-E 802.11n devices (e.g. RT5390: PCI ID 1814:5390) was added to the <rt2800pci> driver at Linux 2.6.39 (CONFIG_RT2800PCI_RT53XX), enabled by default since Linux 3.0-rc1. Support of HP's RT5390 variant (PCI ID 1814:539f, found in the DM1-3000 and DM1Z-3000) was added at linux-2.6 3.0.0~rc4-1~experimental.1 (BTS #630960).
16:56<sml>chealer: Ah OK. Just wondering where it came from as I wasn't given any choice anywhere and I've never seen this desktop before. Has a big whtie bird like thing as part of the logo
16:56<devil>sml: ^
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16:57<sml>devil: OK I'll check what kernel I'm running..
16:57<sml>that'll be it then :)
16:58<devil>sml: bit oldish for the chipset
16:58<sml>devil: was the one the installer installed
16:58<devil>sml: you want 2.6.39
16:58<devil>sml: sure
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17:00<sml>devil: you know what the package name for it is?
17:01<towo`>2.6.39 isn't in debian stable
17:01<towo`>so there is no package name
17:01<sml>that explains why apt-cache search came up blank
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17:02<zykotick9>sml, 2.6.38 is in backports (if that works for your needs?)
17:02<sml>think I need 2.6.39 minimum
17:03<sml>can always make my own using a kernel source package right?
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17:06<babilen>sml: great
17:07<sml>babilen: had to kill windows though. had no choice. ding dong the witch is dead.
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17:08<sml>babilen: other than my wireless card everything works great
17:09<babilen>sml: See about "make pkg-deb" for compiling a new kernel.
17:09<sml>will get that working tomorrow though, no biggie. wired is faster and more secure anywyay ;-)
17:09<babilen>sml: Which card is it? The Ultimate-N?
17:10<babilen>sml: Ok, "make pkg-deb" is AFAIK the recommended way to compile a new kernel these days.
17:10<sml>babilen: erm devil knows which one. some ralink
17:10<devil>02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink Device [1814:5390]
17:10<babilen>argh, ralink :)
17:11<sml>I've not made a kernel from source since when I used to use slackware back in the 90s
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17:11<babilen>sml: I would assume that you could also directly install the kernel package from sid (+linux-base) but compiling is more fun for sure ;)
17:12<sml>babilen: made a few .debs from source packages on debian when I've needed support for somethign that's not built in by the package maintainer. sure it's not too hard
17:12<babilen>sml: I would try the .38 from backports first though. Not much work and it might just do the trick.
17:12<lindi->compiling linux-2.6 is quite tricky, needs something like 40 gigabytes of hdd space and a lot of time :)
17:12<sml>babilen: to be honest I was going to run testing or sid anyway just to play with more recent packages
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17:13<devil>babilen: the factoid points to .39
17:13<babilen>sml: I've linked you to the DebianUnstable wiki page and gave you the lecture about testing/unstable already? Did I mention #debian-next?
17:13<babilen>devil: ah, ok. Sad :-(
17:14<sml>babilen: yeah you did give me the lecture :) strange thing is that I read that the G62 runs on Linux out of the box on most distros so I wasn't expecting any issues
17:14<sml>maybe Debian uses an older kernel than other distros? I wouldn't know..
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17:14<babilen>I would be surprised if many distros ship .39 by default these days.
17:15<sml>babilen: Oh well. I have wired ethernet at least :) it's faster and more secure anyway :P
17:16<sml>babilen: most annoying thing was the laptop comes with four primary partitions! so even when I resized win7 to make space for Debian I still couldn't use the available free space
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17:18<sml>babilen: took me about four hours to burn the 5 DVD resuce disks (and it told me I could only do it once!) and then I said goodbye to Windows. I never wanted it in the first place i just couldn't buy a laptop without it pre-installed :(
17:19<valsak>any one has heard about an error ext3-fs error (device sda7) in start_transaction journal has aborted?
17:19<lindi->valsak: yes
17:20<sml>sounds like an fsck is required
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17:20<jhutchins_lt>valsak: It's your main filesystem?
17:20<babilen>sml: Consider yourself lucky that you've used DVDs -- I used CDs by accident and it took me ages. They rot in the attic ever since though -- but this is getting off-topic. Is there anything else we can help you with?
17:21<babilen>sml: PM ok?
17:21<valsak>yes it's my root fs
17:21<jhutchins_lt>,pciid 1814:5390
17:21<judd>[1814:5390] is 'Unknown device' from 'Ralink corp.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also
17:21<sml>babilen: nah. I'm all good now thanks. Just need to wander off and work out the simplest way of getting the right kernel.
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17:21<jhutchins_lt>That says it's not in .38.
17:21<babilen>sml: Can I message you for a sec?
17:21<sml>babilen: ok
17:23<valsak>i have lost any tty or ssh access fs is unavailable
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17:27<lindi->valsak: boot live system
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17:30<valsak>lindi: i will, thank you
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17:45<rony>Ciao ariannah
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17:46<rony>ciao ivo
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19:22<vrkalak>been trying to install via squeeze-backports ... how do i find the apps in backports?
19:22<themill>%bdo list
19:22<dselect>To get a list of all the packages you have installed from aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' -F'%100p'. To list all packages in the backports repo: aptitude search '?origin(Debian Backports)' Also ask me about <which repo>.
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19:38<hampsterblade>Could anyone here assist me with a raid issue in dmraid?
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19:41<hampsterblade>Anyone here?
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20:30<chealer>%wayttd vrkalak
20:30<dselect>What Are You Trying To Do, vrkalak?
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20:32<vrkalak>nothing really ... i have had me Debian install set to 'stable' since Squeeze was first released ... and I have never used +backports
20:32<vrkalak>not really sure, if i know how?
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20:33<chealer>vrkalak: should give you an idea?
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20:36<vrkalak>thanks, for that link chealer . . . i have been looking through all the debian-wiki pages about backports
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21:19<eril>Bonjour ! quelqu'un parle ch'ti ici ?
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21:22<dselect>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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21:25<qaz2011>I'm using wheezy
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21:27<qaz2011>I'm using wheezy if i'm try to 8.861 Debian/testing
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21:28<babilen>qaz2011: Try #debian-next -- Are the dkms drivers in wheezy still not working? We do not support ATI drivers. /msg dpkg fglrx dkms -- /msg dpkg ati
21:28<qaz2011>i receive Generating package: Debian/stable cp: cannot stat `/home/qaz/ati/temp/x710_64a/*': No such file or directory
21:29<TCW>babilen, hint: dpkg is not here ;)
21:29<babilen>TCW: Oh, I *so* know that. That was my muscle memory :)
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21:30<babilen>qaz2011: Replace "dpkg" with "dselect" in the /msg commands there :)
21:30<TCW>babilen, it looked like a shortcut you defined... so you typed all this by hand? *eeks* :)
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21:31<babilen>TCW: I have a couple of shortcuts, yes. But /msg dpkg is not ... will be added now.
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21:32<qaz2011>nobody so using these drivers ...mmhhh
21:32<babilen>qaz2011: What?
21:35<wols_>qaz2011: we don't support ask ati about these
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21:41<qaz2011>wols_: tnx ...they said the --buildpkg is broken from years
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22:03<bremner>hrm. So far I only see the option to specify a listen address for UDP. Weird.
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22:44<debian-user-99>hi all
22:45<debian-user-99>I need help
22:45<debian-user-99>Its regarding checking ink level.
22:45<dselect>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
22:46<debian-user-99>I cannot seem to find the raw device.
22:46<debian-user-99>for my usb printer.
22:46<debian-user-99>When I use espcutil command, in order to check ink level,
22:46<debian-user-99>it request me to give them the raw device.
22:46<debian-user-99>But I cannot seem to find the raw device of my usb printer.
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22:47<debian-user-99>So I install ink, mtink, qink, etc.
22:47<debian-user-99>And also adduser for lp.
22:48<debian-user-99>But it just doesn't work.
22:48<debian-user-99>My printer is fine. I could use it to do printing.
22:48<debian-user-99>But I just cant seem to find the ink level of the printer.
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22:48<debian-user-99>And maybe also the clean nozzle feature, wat not.
22:48<debian-user-99>How could I find the raw device of my usb printer?
22:49<debian-user-99>I cannot find /dev/usb in the /dev directory
22:49<debian-user-99>Nor /dev/lp0.
22:49<MrFrood>debian-user-99: just a guess but would be the sort of thing you are looking for..?
22:50<debian-user-99>Okay, I go download it and install it now.
22:50<dselect>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
22:51<debian-user-99>I have it.
22:51<debian-user-99>Its in my debian system.
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22:52<debian-user-99>Erm, MrFrood, I have the usbutils in my system.
22:53<MrFrood>debian-user-99: take a look at the man pages
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22:54<debian-user-99>Which one?
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22:54<MrFrood>(it might not be what you need as I said - just a guess
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22:55<MrFrood>debian-user-99: lsusb man page
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22:59<debian-user-99>Suppose, I want to find the usb hard disk, the raw device, /dev/sdax
22:59<debian-user-99>Is there a command for it?
22:59<debian-user-99>Suppose I plug in a usb device, is there a command for me to locate its /dev/* ?
23:00<MrFrood>debian-user-99: usb is really not my thing, I was just trying to point you in the right direction
23:00<debian-user-99>One of the problem for me, right now, is the escputil need a raw device.
23:01<debian-user-99>When I type escputil -i, for checking printer ink level, it require me to point it to it where is the raw device,
23:01<MrFrood>lsusb should I think be able to give you that info
23:01<debian-user-99>but i dun noe where is the raw device of my usb printer.
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23:03<debian-user-99>When I use lsusb, there's a short list of item appear on the terminal.
23:03<debian-user-99>My usb printer is listed : Bus 007 Device 017: ID 04b8:0841 Seiko Epson Corp.
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23:03<MrFrood>debian-user-99: have you checked the man/info pages for lsusb?
23:03<debian-user-99>How do i translate it to something the escputil command could understand?
23:04<MrFrood>no idea
23:04<debian-user-99>But lsusb man page, don't have wat i want.
23:04<MrFrood>see if "info lsusb" has more
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23:06<MrFrood>failing that unless someone else chips in all I can suggest is a visit to your favourite search engine
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23:08<debian-user-99>wait... i am think i am close to the solution....
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23:16<debian-user-99>thanx... i guess i have to do some googling and thinking mysefl...
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23:22<bluenemo>can you advise a good forum software? there are so many and i dont have any experience yet. should be open source :)
23:23<MrFrood>bluenemo: forums are so last decade go social with elgg or use a mail list
23:24<bluenemo>MrFrood, not for me, for a customer of mine. he wants a forum :)
23:24<ml|>bluenemo: perhaps what uses?
23:25<bluenemo>ml|, indeed a nice idea.... :) do you know what they use?
23:26<ml|>Powered by
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23:26<bluenemo>ah ok i just visited that site. thanks ml|
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23:36<canaima>como te llamas
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23:47<chealer>bluenemo: phpBB
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