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---Logopened Mon Jul 11 00:00:57 2011
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00:09<bones_was_here>gord: if you change the number of lines scrolled per wheel movement in your mouse settings it might affect it
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00:13<zalaey>does one still need to make the devices for a new system where a soundcard was installed?
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00:14<bones_was_here>only if its ISA/not pnp
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00:16<gord>bones_was_here, I was really hoping for a way to globally change the stepping so it would apply to both the mouse scrolling and the keyboard shortcuts. I miss being able to select the channel to adjust for the volume control. I'm stuck using gamix to get the volume low enough to use my headphones.
00:16<bones_was_here>ah ok
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00:16<bones_was_here>i dont use gnome but i just guessed the lines setting might work
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00:17<bones_was_here>mostly yeah
00:17<bones_was_here>but i've never tried to change that in kde either :p
00:17<gord>I've been thinking of switching to give it a try... but 3.xx seemed so cluttered to me.. are you using 4?
00:17<zalaey>why do ncurses based things look garbbled sometimes on termials?
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00:17<bones_was_here>yeah squeeze ships 4.4.something
00:18<stoniestfool>hello al did a destrapboot and in mnt/debian/boot i have the kernel source do i just need to complie it in order to make the vmlinux-2.6.38-05696-g42d2727-dirty i need
00:18<gord>How is it? I'm a minimalist kinda guy... used to use fluxbox but switched to gnome/xfce for convenience
00:19<bones_was_here>it'll probably still seem more cluttered than gnome 2.x (i havn't really used gnome 3)
00:19<zalaey>specifically using mc on an Eterm
00:19<bones_was_here>kde 4 is -not- a minimalist de though ;)
00:20<bones_was_here>and it kind of requires composition to look nice
00:20<bones_was_here>but you can toggle the composition at least (without resetting all the open windows)
00:21<bones_was_here>zalaey: not sure, sometimes my aptitude becomes garbled but idk if that's aptitude's fault or Konsole's
00:21<gord>I'm not really into things looking terribly nice. I'm rather against eye candy..
00:21<bones_was_here>ah probably avoid kde 4 then
00:22<gord>I'd rather have things move quickly than make me watch them bounce around, wink blink and dodge out of sight with random silly animations and sounds
00:22<bones_was_here>its nice but pretty heavy on the candy (and it shows in slow performance on older computers)
00:22<bones_was_here>i turn off the animations
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00:22<zalaey>gord, use the cls and just run "xinit applicationname" when you need something gui
00:22<bones_was_here>but its still a heavy de
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00:23<gord>zalaey, I might give that a try.
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00:24<gord>bones_was_here, I'll likely give xfce another shot, see how it's been developing and maybe try out kde4 if I get drunk enough and lose all sense of reason.
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00:25<jomartin>zalaey: Does something like 'xinit iceweasel' start just the single appliaction with an assist from X and leave you at the console or does it fireup X entirely?
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00:27<bones_was_here>i mostly use kde because kwin is probably the best compositing wm plus i dont really have time for learning de's, and my machines are fast enough its weight isn't an issue
00:27<zalaey>jormartin: it should just bring up iceweasel, was doing that earlier today
00:28<gord>bones_was_here, I'm sure my machine can handle it, I just can't help but obsess over the milliseconds I'm losing. I'm neurotic like that.
00:28<zalaey>honestly its wonderful, i have the first thre terminals where im working, the fourth irc and the fifth and sixth and where i have a webbrowser and whatever else
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00:30<jomartin>zalaey: Cool, I'm on a Mac right now or I'd test it. If tht works without me having to fire up a full wm that would be great. I do 95% of my work in just vi and irssi but occasionally need to fire up some gui app. I'd strongly prefer not to run any wm at all. It sounds like you're using something like screen to switch, is that right?
00:30<gord>xfce is done, back in a moment (maybe)
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00:31<zalaey>jomartin: until this computer gets handed off to the owners i don't put any windowmanager in.
00:31<bones_was_here>zalaey: i guess you're not using AMD catalyst driver then (hangs kernel if one tries to start more than one X instance...)
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00:31<gord>I had forgotten how snappy this de is
00:31<rjsalts>gord: xfce?
00:32<zalaey>bones_was_here: no, id freak out. if im running a graphcs box i often would have to startx -- :1 and startx --:2
00:32<zalaey>bones_was_here: runnin an ancient geforce in this box :D
00:32<bones_was_here>ah yeah old geforces were good
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00:32<gord>I think I still have some geforce 3s or 4s kicking around
00:32<zalaey>at the time i wasn't happy with the gl support in linux, now years later tho it looks wonderful :D
00:33<rjsalts>fvwm is still way faster
00:33<bones_was_here>one can have multiple X instances with catalyst as long as there's only one instance per GPU
00:34<zalaey>jomartin: i first started doing tha when i had to hand roll an imac from scratch for scratch
00:34<jomartin>I can't wait to test it out. I'm tempted to install Xorg via macports but the comandline startup of OSX is awful and I can't justify the time to configure the display output.
00:35<rjsalts>jomartin: OS X has an X server built in
00:35<jomartin>At some point though I'd imagine the overhead of several X instances would be worse than just starting ratpoison or fluxbox.
00:35<zalaey>yeah i havent had a chance to play around witha mac since they got "offical" unix support so to speak. seems like microsoft took care of two of its problems with one solution
00:36<jomartin>zalaey: I've got one for work. It's pretty great except for the software.
00:36<jomartin>They gave me a Redhat option but I wanted as few tools differences between me and the other engineers as possible.
00:38<jomartin>I'm generally ssh'ed into a Solaris or Redhat box anyway so OSX doesn't get in my way too much. I miss my Debian environment every day though ;)
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00:40<jomartin>Has anyone here done any work with shoehorning debian software onto Android, or debian on embeded platforms?
00:41<Nickname>Hi all. Can someone confirm a problem with debootstrap?
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00:42<jaquer>I am trying to install sid from the businesscard installer.
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00:49<rjsalts>jaquer: ar t libacl1_2.2.51-2_i386.deb -> data.tar.bz2 and presumably you don't have bzip2 on the system
00:52<jaquer>rjalts: Yup, looks that way. I don't know why the installer is not downloading the .deb. I'm kludging it by hand as we speak.
00:52<rjsalts>jaquer: I'd say it's that the business card iso isn't installing bzip
00:53<rjsalts>jaquer: and I can't see a udeb for bzip2
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00:54<jomartin>jaquer: Which release is the installer from? If it's from a branch other than nightly/weekly you should probably file a bug if it's really missing.
00:54<jaquer>Well, installing bzip2 and libbz2 by hand got me past the error message. I'm not sure what package to file a bug against.
00:55<jaquer>Installer is the daily build dated July 11, 2011
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00:56<rjsalts>jaquer: I think it's against debian-installer, but I think this might have to do with recent changes in deb file format that allows bzip2
00:57<zalaey>im working on installing wine on here, im listening to music and viewing something on iceweasel, winecfg instists tho it can't find mozilla and that i have no sound, is there a wrapper for ALSA and wine?
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00:57<jomartin>Does anyone with more experience than me know what's most appropriate for making the installer team aware of a bug with nightly? quick copy/paste to the mailing list maybe?
00:58<th>hi, i've just installed debian squeeze. i accidentally /usr a different partition. is it okay to use debian this way?
01:00<fralle>th if u mean that u put /usr in a separate partition i think its ok
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01:00<th>yes, i put /usr in different partition. thanks for the info
01:00<stew>jomartin: see the installation-report package, or file a bug against the debian-instaler pseudo-package
01:01<fralle>i think that u r supposed to put it i a separate actually but there no must
01:01<jaquer>Well, I think I'll just report it as a bug to debian-installer, since debootstrap worked once I installed bzip2. Wish me luck, it'll be the first bug I ever report.
01:01<jomartin>th: having the filesystem span multiple partitions is not a problem in general. How large is the partition that usr is on? Running out of space could be an issue.
01:01<stew>jaquer: wait, what is the bug with debian-installer?
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01:01<jomartin>jaquer: Congratulations
01:02<th>/usr is 20GB
01:02<dabir>how do i get rid of jre1.6.0_26
01:02<stew>jaquer: if you are having a problem with debootstrap, i don't see what that has to do with d-i
01:02<jaquer>jomartin: Heh. stew: d-i is not downloading bzip2/libbz and that causes debootstrap to fail when encountering a .deb compressed with bzip2
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01:03<jaquer>Do you think debootstrap is the one at fault here? Is it its duty to download the programs it depens on?
01:03<rjsalts>jaquer: I'm not sure it's a bug either, maybe wishlist bug
01:03<stew>jaquer: how are you launcing the installer?
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01:03<jomartin>th: 20GB should be more than enough for a good long time. Did you use LVM by chance?
01:03<stew>jaquer: from a cd? from usb? hd-media?
01:03<jaquer>stew: from a CD image, on a virtual machine
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01:03<stew>jaquer: which cd image?
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01:04<jaquer>stew: Latest daily:
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01:04<stew>jaquer: but you are running debootstrap by hand?
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01:05<jaquer>No, when the installer calls debootstrap it fails with the error: "The bzcat is not available on the system", I simply ran debootstrap by hand to figure out why it was failing.
01:06<th>jomartin, no LVM, just plain msdos partition
01:07<rjsalts>th: it shouldn't matter too much, just slightly more inconvenient
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01:08<rjsalts>th: mind you, to fill up 20GB of /usr you'd need to install a substantial part of the debian archive
01:08<jaquer>stew: So, what do you think? Against d-i? deboostrap? I know sid install straight from d-i are unsupported, so maybe not filing anything at all? I haven't tried an installation of stable.
01:09<th>i'm worried because i've just read this:
01:09<jomartin>th: If it ever becomes a problem there are ways to copy|resize and sort things out but 20GB should absolutely be plenty. Unix-like filesystems are meant to span multiple volumes for security and management reasons. LVM is a beautiful thing and you should consider it in the future. But IMHO your current installation will be just fine.
01:10<th>i'm not worried about the space
01:11<stew>jaquer: i think the bug is that bzip2 needs to be made Essential:yes
01:11<rjsalts>If there are going to be other packages in essential using bzip2 data part
01:11<rjsalts>which libacl in sid is
01:14<zalaey>does wine no longer look for versions of windows on your system to "borrow" dlls from?
01:14<jaquer>So, it's actually against bzip2? Like I said, first bug report, so I wanna get it right. :P
01:16<jomartin>th: I just read your link and have no good answer. I always split off /usr /home /tmp /var etc and have never had issues even with udev rules. YMMV...
01:16<stew>jaquer: well, i don't know. we've had packages with .data.tar.bz2 for a long time, i'm not sure why it would suddenly be a problem
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01:18<stew>jaquer: oh, dpkg Pre-Depends on libbz2-1.0
01:19<stew>jaquer: so no, its not a bzip problem
01:19<th>jomartin, ok
01:20<stew>jaquer: though it oes mean that the priority of libbz2-1.0 must be raised
01:20<jomartin>th: Good luck. I tend to run a pretty lean system but as I said, no apparent issues related to systemd or my partitioning scheme.
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01:20<rjsalts>this is pre-dpkg though
01:21<rjsalts>debootstrap is unpacking the initial list of debs with ar and zcat data.tar.gz ...
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01:23<rjsalts>jaquer: I'd log the bug against debootstrap or debian-installer
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01:25<jm_>debootstrap is a shell script so should be easier to debug it
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01:26<jaquer>I think I'll file against debootstrap, and if the maintiners feel it's a d-i/something else issue, I'll let them re-assign.
01:27<karth> is there any package in debian as like ubuntu's ubiquity? (installing OS when we are in live mode)
01:27<jaquer>Thanks for your help everybody.
01:27<stew>i'll raise the prioroty of libbz2-1.0 tomorrow, its too late for me to be doing that kind of thing now :)
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01:28<jaquer>stew: Oh, you maintain that?
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01:28<zalaey>hmm the winehq says the squeeze version is 1.2.3 but my winecfg is saying i have 1.0.1
01:29<stew>jaquer: no, but i'm on the team the controls the repository
01:29<jaquer>Got you. Well, thanks again.
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01:33<jm_>karth: debian live supports installation nowadays, doesn't it?
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01:36<prem>jm_, does debian support a full installtion as that of ubiquity..?
01:36<jm_>prem: I'm affraid I don't quite understand the question
01:38<prem>jm_, i have seen only win32-loader kinda installation for debian.,where for partitioning we need to go as regular install
01:38<rjsalts>stew: I don't think that will help debootstrap on debian-installer, it sounded like it was using ar then extracting the data.tar.bz2 or whatever rather than using dpkg
01:40<karth>jm_, this image has a icon "install ubuntu 11.04", is there any option like this in debian..?
01:40<jm_>prem: yeah but that's not debian live - the live one can fire-up d-i nowadyas I believe
01:40<jm_>karth: best to ask in #debian-live for details, I haven't tried it for quite a while now
01:41<karth>ok jm_ thanks.. for info..
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01:43<stew>rjsalts: probably not. it needs to be fixed in any case
01:45<vook>got a weird problem - I'm on a vps, and no hwclock seems to exist, which I imagine is what is causing 'su' to hang.
01:45<vook>strace reports this :
01:45<vook>clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC, {388163, 913999440}) = 0
01:45<vook>poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}], 1, 25000
01:45<vook>any ideas how to work around it ?
01:46<rjsalts>vook: cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/available_clocksource
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01:47<vook>hmm, doesn't exist. this is what I get for going with the $60/year VPS
01:47<jm_>perhaps find out what FD 4 is about instead
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01:49<vook>jm_: what would that indicate ?
01:50<jm_>vook: well to me it looks like it's waiting for something to happen with FD 4, clock_gettime() returned successfully (zero means success)
01:50<jm_>vook: what it means depends on what FD 4 is I guess
01:50<vook>hmm, ok
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01:55<zalaey>hmm the winehq says the squeeze version is 1.2.3 but my winecfg is saying i have 1.0.1... how can i update with out breaking squeeze?
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02:03<dyek>vook: /proc/<su_pid>/fd/4
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02:04<dyek>vook: ls -l /proc/<su_pid>/fd/4
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02:06<vook>what is fd ? I notice that I have no /dev/fd*'s
02:06<vook>which is causing freenx to fail
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02:10<bones_was_here>vook: floppy drive lol
02:10<vook>nah, I don't think so
02:13<jm_>zalaey: version 1.2 is not in debian
02:13<rjsalts>vook: file descriptor
02:13<jm_>FD=File Descriptor
02:13<zalaey>so winehq really means sid not squeeze?
02:13<bones_was_here>vook: are you sure you mean /dev/fd* or do you really mean /dev/fd/*
02:14<jm_>no, sid has 1.0.1, experimental has 1.1.24 - no idea what they meant
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02:14<rjsalts>bones_was_here: it was /proc/pid/fd/...
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02:14<vook>fair enough bones, I meant /dev/fd/*
02:14<jm_>yeah those are packages provided by a third party site, not by debian
02:15<zalaey>oh i see in small grey at the top, wine for debian
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02:15<zalaey>whats the command then to make ones own debs from tar balls?
02:15<dselect>FreeNX is a GPL implementation of the <NX> server and client components. There are no FreeNX packages in official Debian repositories, see Debian bug #255850. #nx on
02:16<jm_>!tell zalaey -about checkinstall
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02:17<zalaey>jm: thanks, had to ask dselect manually tho ;p
02:18<jm_>zalaey: ahh sorry forgot to use % instead of ! - force of habbit
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02:19<bones_was_here>has dselect replaced dpkg?
02:20<rjsalts>bones_was_here: no, dselect always used dpkg and dselect has been superseded by apt
02:20<jm_>rjsalts: he means dselect the bot
02:20<rjsalts>oh, heh
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02:21<zalaey>actually speaking of dselect and apt, when i was lasting using apt was the new kid on the block, does dselect even live in debian any more?
02:21<jm_>sure it does
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02:22<dselect>If /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted (or generating warnings about illegal version numbers etc), "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available". Alternatively, you can try "rm /var/lib/dpkg/available; dselect update".
02:22<zalaey>if im getting the latest stable wine for my own packages so i get the binaries or just compile them by hand?
02:22<zalaey>jm_: good to hear n_n
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02:30<vook>weird...I haven't used dselect in over 13 years.
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02:33<lindi->if there's some python/object guru: sometimes goes to a state where aux_button is open but not included in the poll() syscall anymore. any tips? ;)
02:33<lindi->this is very annoying since it happens maybe fives times a year but causes me to miss calls
02:35<vook>lindi-: you may have more success in a python channel
02:35<lindi->valdyn: possibly yes
02:36<vook>you can call me valdyn if you like
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02:37<lindi->vook: whoops :)
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02:38*lindi- still thinks IRC clients should have a reply button :)
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02:47<zalaey>vook: lol thats how i fealt about dselect :)
02:49<streuner_>feeling for a bot?
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03:04<zalaey>wow, the owner of the computer moved a few of their pictures, one of which was used by wm for an image, now wmpref complains when it loads and crashed when clicked on some things. i tried linking the old file to its old location but that wouldnt work, so i tried copying it to the old location but it still wont recognize it
03:05<lindi->zalaey: hmm, I can't find any file named wmpref
03:05<zalaey>or wmakerconf
03:06<zalaey>either wont find it, however wmakerconf wont crash when i goto the option the image is being used for
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03:29<zalaey>can apt be configured with ubuntu ppas?
03:30<mns>zalaey, no
03:30<mns>zalaey, each distro with their own repo
03:30<zalaey>kk thanks
03:30<mns>zalaey, =]
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03:56<zalaey>if two users on the system wanted to have firefox not iceweasel and were going to download it to their home directories for use, should i instead install locally an if so i couldn't really use checkinstall. what is the program thats used to make ones own debs?
03:57<lindi->zalaey: you could just install it to /opt
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03:57<jm_>any particular reason to use firefox?
03:58<zalaey>not my preference, owners were asking for it, thier kids chimed in that they'd just install it their home directory
03:58<jm_>ok so just ignorance due to a different name
04:00<lindi->jm_: names do matter :)
04:02<zalaey>yeah personally i like how konqueror worked on their system, b ut its not mine to work with regularly so i felt no authority in responce.
04:03<zalaey>now to get a newer wine working... would i need to uninstall *everything* wine?
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04:04<zalaey>lindi-: so mv /tmp/firefox /opt/ ? or /opt/bin/firefox ?
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04:04<lindi->zalaey: what's /tmp/firefox?
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04:05<th>usually it's /opt/firefox
04:05<zalaey>lindi-: the directory the firefox bz2 un tard into
04:05<zalaey>th: kk thanks
04:05<sml>wols: if you're there, it works :)
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04:07<lindi->zalaey: last time I checked it had some sort of installer
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04:08<zalaey>lindi: yeah as of 5.0 apparently they just have you untar it to your home and run it from there
04:08<sml>if you compile drivers from a manu's website and they stick their modules under the modules dir of your current kernel, does this mean you have to recompile if you update your kernel at some point?
04:09<zalaey>lindi didn't want a phone call at 3 am because their "internet wont work" (they think port 80, 25 and 113 are all the internet is)
04:10<jm_>sml: depends, updating kernel automatically rebuilds modules if dkms packages are used
04:11<sml>jm_: dkms packages?
04:11<s_i_m>zalaey, there is iceweasel which is a rebranded firefox. just install it and tell the kids it is specifically tuned for Debian and therefore is better ;)
04:11<jm_>sml: apt-cache search dkms
04:12<zalaey>s_i_m: yeah iceweasel is installed, i tried tricking them originally by having it called with mozilla, but i forgot to change the about: screen to note show the angry white weasel
04:13<sml>jm_: thanks
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04:13<jm_>sml: no worries (in general it's true that you need to recompile yes)
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04:15<s_i_m>zalaey, hm, for me it does not look angry :)
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04:20<zalaey>s_i_m: its an angry cute creature ;p see its eyes are all \ _ /
04:21<zalaey>LOL about:mozilla on iceweasel is great
04:21<zalaey>glad to see the book of mozilla has been changing over the years
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04:23<Odd_Blok1>Hello all. I've just started a new job and been given a MacBook Pro. I would like to install Debian on it, and could care less about keeping OS X. The wiki pages suggest that I might run into problems, but they are also suggesting that I would be dual-booting. Can anyone tell me if just doing a full install is going to work?
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04:24<sml>Odd_Blok1: why not just get some vm software for it and run Debian in a vm?
04:24<sml>that;s what I do
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04:25<Odd_Blok1>sml: I could do that, I guess. But installing on the hardware itself seems likely to be more successful...
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04:25<Odd_Blok1>Things like dual monitors etc.
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04:25<sml>Odd_Blok1: Could be. It is just intel hardware but then you may run into issues with the track pad and sleep light on the side and other minor niggles
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04:25<Elena5>Hello everyone !
04:25<sml>you certainly WONT get the wireless card working for love nor money
04:26<sml>or at least you may go insane first
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04:26<jm_>Odd_Blok1: it's the opposite - installing in VM will be more successfull these days
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04:27<sml>Odd_Blok1: I run Debian squeeze in a Parallels VM and it's a very nice experience. But you may be able to get Virtual Box or some other free product for Mac OS X since Paralles cost me £40
04:28<Elena5>I have encountered a bug in xorg in Debian Squeeze. The Xorg log says: (EE) [drm] drmOpen failed; (EE) CHROME(0): [dri] DRIScreeninit failed
04:28<Elena5>How can I fixe this?
04:29<Quite>just *one* ?
04:29<Bushmills>Elena5: that's not a bug. that's an error message
04:29<simonlnu>that's not a bug.
04:29<Quite>not a bug
04:29<Elena5>But I worked out of the box
04:30<Bushmills>Elena5: i console you for your working conditions
04:30<Elena5>Yeah x)
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04:31<Elena5>This is an error I haven't got in the past
04:31<Elena5>So for me it's some kind of bug x(
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04:31<sml>Elena5: have you installed anything new since it last worked? or changed any settings that you can remember?
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04:32<Elena5>I just reinstall Debian Squeeze on the computer
04:32<sml>Elena5: OK so you've re-installed and now it doesn't work?
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04:33<Elena5>It was on Debian Sid before and all worked perfectly fine. I just wanted to experience the stable branch :'(
04:33<Quite>probably due to the newer kernel in sid
04:33<Quite>2.6.38 or something
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04:34<jm_>which is also available on backports for stable
04:34<Elena5>Yeah I thought it was that and I actually upgrade to this kernel...
04:35<Elena5>But it still doesn't work
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04:36<varunja>Hi guys - I had a question regarding filesystems. Due to some errors I've been facing with a FAT32 partition, I tried using ext2. That was giving problems to, so I decided to give a shot at Minix (I used this also because fsck is only available for minix on this device). Minix seems to be working fine, but one really weird thing happens - it doesn't show up in # mount
04:36<varunja>This means that I can't umount and mount the partition (but it gets mounted on bootup)
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04:37<Quite>that sounds scary
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04:37<Quite>i just reformatted my external hdds with fat32
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04:38<Quite>is fat32 writing solid in debian in general?
04:38<lindi->fat is one of the most robust filesystems in debian
04:38<Quite>thank you
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04:40<varunja>I don't honestly think it is a problem with FAT. I know many many systems use it. It seems to be either a hardware problem or something to do with the configuration of the IDE which is causing the FAT/ext2 partition to behave funny
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04:41<varunja>That is why I want to try out Minix. I'll be able to run fsck if I run into the problems, and figure out if its the hardware
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04:41<varunja>Does anyone know why minix wouldn't be shown in the mount command? It shows up in fdisk, and actually mounts during startup too (so I can copy files to it, goto /mnt/hda7, which is where it is mounted, etc.)
04:42<Bushmills>"fsck is only available for minix on this device" .. can't you aptitude install or apt-get fsck for other file systems?
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04:42<Quite>as a parenthesis, i noticed that when i tried to "safely remove" my hdds in the past when they were formatted with NTFS, the computer would occasionally lockup with a blinking caps lock
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04:42<Quite>not so when i use fat32
04:42<Quite>so it's hardly a hardware problem
04:42<jm_>see /proc/mounts
04:43<jm_>blinking LED-s indicate kernel panic
04:43<Quite>works fine with fat32, once again
04:43<Quite>ok jm_
04:43<Quite>well, something is going haywire during the "safe removal" when using ntfs
04:43<sml>these distros that utilise debian's packages. why do they do that? especially since they don't use apt.
04:44<devil>sml: distros like what?
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04:44<sml>devil. mint debian edition
04:45<devil>sml: mint does not use apt?
04:45<devil>that would surprise me, as their branches build on ubuntu and on debian testing (lmde)
04:46<Bushmills>#mint could tell you why. #debian doesn't really know why mint does that
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04:46<sml>maybe it does. so the short answer would be the distros which do use debians repos do use apt
04:46<sml>Bushmills: that logic is counter-intuitive and presumably wrong
04:46<devil>sml: either apt or a gui to obfuscate it :)
04:47<varunja>Bushmills: no I can't use aptitude/apt-get etc. Those tools haven't been provided with the embedded device for security purposes! And now it is proving to be difficult. I can rebuild the system with those tools, but it would take me quite some time - cause I don't have experience with that side
04:47<Bushmills>sml: what's wrong about the logic that if mint does something in particular, mint knows why it's doing that?
04:47<sml>devil. ok cool. I'm guessing the apt in synaptic explains the part I was missing. I guess the real question is I was wondering what the difference would be from runnign Debian wheeze and Mint Debian Edition since they use the same packages?
04:47<varunja>jm_: Will look at /proc/mounts and get back
04:48<zalaey>if i needed to upgrade this squeeze's wine (1.0.1) to (1.2.x) would i be better getting the source and making a deb out of it, or getting the binarys?
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04:48<Bushmills>varunja: does that device even run debian?
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04:48<sml>Bushmills: my question was why do distros use .deb but not use apt. and I think the answer is they do use apt.
04:48<devil>sml: you might get more support for testing in mint lmde as you do right now in debian. as soon as (or if) debian-rolling becomes a reality, that will change.
04:49<sml>devil: oh there will be a debian rolling at some point? that's ace!
04:49<lindi->zalaey: imho the best solution is to use an unstable chroot and help with wine packagers
04:49<Bushmills>sml: debian uses apt. or aptitude
04:49<devil>sml: well, i sure hope so, and my energy will go there, but lets see....
04:49<varunja>Bushmills: Yeah it does
04:49<sml>Bushmills: I know debian does. my question was with regards to other distros that use debians packages.
04:49<zalaey>lindi-: clarify?
04:49<varunja>A stripped down version of it, though
04:50<sml>devil: well I'll keep an eye out for any announcements.
04:50<devil>sml: upcoming debconf will probably give it the push it needs to set up the required infrastructure
04:51<devil>given, manpower can be allocated to keep it afloat
04:51<zalaey>lindi-: what do mean by an unstable chroot?
04:51<zalaey>s/do/do\ you
04:51<lindi->zalaey: you install debian unstable to a directory
04:52<lindi->zalaey: then you use 'schroot' to run programs from it
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04:52<sml>devil: so currently even testing has a fixed release cycle?
04:52<th>i hope a rolling debian will be called Debian Swirling
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04:52<lindi->zalaey: should have the steps
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04:52<zalaey>lindi-: i feel as tho that might be a little over their heads when someone is looking to go through their itunes or play some warcraft.
04:53<Quite>Debian Volvo
04:53<lindi->zalaey: the unstable chroot should be reasonably easy, helping wine team package a new version not so
04:55<Bushmills>sml: well, maybe you find a mint expert on #debian then who can tell you why
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04:55<zalaey>lindi-: yeah the chrooting certainly was familiar to me, from woody until now with squeeze, ive been rolling my own boxen. now the wine team is only working with sid or is looking to update squeeze at some point too?
04:55<sml>Bushmills: my question is distro agnostic. you still haven't understood have you?
04:56<lindi->zalaey: probably mainly sid
04:56<lindi->zalaey: but you should ask them
04:56<Bushmills>sml: ah, right. #linux :)
04:57<devil>sml: testing is not released at all in debian
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04:59<devil>sml: atm there is only one release, which is stable. there might be debian-rolling release in the future (where release is the wrong term for rolling
04:59<sml>devil: in which case how to new packages/updates filter through to testing then? Could it not be described as rolling?
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05:00<sml>or better, how would debian-rolling differ from the current way testing works?
05:01<sml>Bushmills: yes but concerning #Debian's repositories which I guess people in #Debian would know something about (I'd hope)
05:02<devil>sml: it would differ in so far as rolling would be a (for a start) synchronous branch besides testing. the difference is that broken packages in testing would get updated from sid manualyor scripted
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05:02<Bushmills>sml, long way from "concerning other distributions than debian" to "distribution agnostic" to "therefore debian"
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05:02<sml>Bushmills: the common denominator is the .deb repo. sorry it wasn't obvious
05:02<sml>devil: I see
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05:05<zalaey>i know dselect says that the lamaresh debs arent supported, but has one here used them with our with out success?
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05:07<sml>Bushmills: you ever tried Jameson's?
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05:08<varunja>jm_: I tried to cat /proc/mounts, and it showed up the same thing as when I type #mount. hda7 (which is the minix partition) is missing from it completely
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05:08<jm_>varunja: in that case I don't know - but why bother with all this; the test that we mentioned last week with checksum is far better
05:10<varunja>jm_: I agree that test is better - I am unfortunately not able to generate a file the exact size of the partition - it always seems to make it a few MB smaller (which would need me to use the check iso method, which doesn't work because of the 32bit limit)
05:10<varunja>I am still trying it right now on another computer though
05:11<jm_>varunja: well you could use dd instead of head and that shall be fine too
05:11<jm_>so unless the problem is with the last part of the device such test would be Ok too
05:12<sml>does grub store a backup of any bootloader that may be present in the MBR when it installs itself?
05:12<jm_>it didn't occur to me last week to swap head with dd
05:12<sml>i.e. can I recover it somehow
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05:15<jm_>sml: don't think so
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05:16<varunja>could you suggest the full dd command?
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05:21<jm_>please don't ask yes/no questions -- dd if=foo bs=... count=... | checksum_cmd
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05:25<varunja>thanks. though yes/no? it was just a request :)
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05:30<Quite>the "stable" branch is now up to 6.0.2... i have 6.0.1.... i suppose this is only security fixes, and nothing else, right?
05:31<Quite>sorry for a possibly stupid question
05:33<Quite>ok, thanks
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05:36<zalaey>i think im just going to "apt-get remove wine libwine " and get the wine sources and compile them by hand
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05:40<bernat>zalaey: if you just need to run some app in wine you can try playonlinux
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05:42<zalaey>bernat: i had thought about that, however the wine squeeze is 1.0.1 while winehq states that 1.2.x is the stable release currently. one of the things i need to do for this computers owner(s) is getting itunes and world of warcraft 4.2.0 to work. 1.0.1 wasn't loading either so i was going to try an upgrade of wine
05:43<bernat>playonlinux installs its own wine versions
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05:45<zalaey>bernat: oh yeah? ill give that a gander then
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05:58<Odd_Bloke>So I've decided that I can't bear using OS X at all because it does everything different to how I expect.
05:58<Odd_Bloke>So I'm booting in to a Debian install CD, having first resized the main partition and installed rEFIt.
05:58<Odd_Bloke>However, the installer can't detect the network interface.
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05:59<Odd_Bloke>It's BCM43xx firmware (according to OS X), but choosing the b43 driver does nothing.
05:59<Odd_Bloke>Does anyone have any idea what on earth is going on?
05:59<Bushmills>describe "does nothing"
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06:00<Odd_Bloke>It returns me to the driver selection screen.
06:00<Bushmills>"driver selection screen"?
06:00<Bushmills>what is selected where?
06:01<Odd_Bloke>When the installer attempts to auto-detect the hardware, it fails.
06:01<Odd_Bloke>It then asks me to select the driver for my network card.
06:01<Bushmills>wlan link is not done by only installing a driver. you need to assiciate with an access points, and possible give your credentials
06:01<Odd_Bloke>I select (what I think is) the appropriate driver, and it returns me to that screen with no further details.
06:01<Odd_Bloke>I'm not talking about the WLAN link.
06:01<Odd_Bloke>I am talking about the Ethernet interface.
06:02<Bushmills>bcm43xx? that's wlan
06:02<Odd_Bloke>I hate Apple.
06:02*devil likes apples
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06:03<Odd_Bloke>Well, the correct network device is listed as "Ethernet".
06:03<Odd_Bloke>Thanks, Apple.
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06:04<Bushmills>"I am talking about the Ethernet interface." ... which "is listed as "Ethernet"." :D
06:04<Odd_Bloke>But it gives no hardware information.
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06:05<Odd_Bloke>And the installer doesn't detect it.
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06:05<Odd_Bloke>lspci where?
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06:05<Bushmills>l next to k
06:05<Bushmills>s netween a and d
06:06<Odd_Bloke>Bushmills: In what operating system?
06:06<_SeriousSam_>Hi! There is command "start" in Windows. Does analogue of this command exist in Linux?
06:06<Odd_Bloke>OS X does not have lspci.
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06:06<lindi->_SeriousSam_: what does it do in windows?
06:06<mjr>_SeriousSam_, it would help if you told us what it _does_
06:07<Bushmills>Odd_Bloke: guess, linux does
06:07<_SeriousSam_>starts program simultaneously
06:07<Bushmills>prog1 & prog2 & prog3
06:07<_SeriousSam_>without waiting while it running
06:07<Bushmills>... prog3 &
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06:08<_SeriousSam_>no, you can continue use console whuile the program is running
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06:08<lindi->_SeriousSam_: is there some documentation which we could read?
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06:09<Bushmills>_SeriousSam_: redirect output, or use bash's coproc
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06:11*Bushmills figures that _SeriousSam_ hasn't even tried prog &
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06:15<bernat>I guess what he's looking is more like the screen comand
06:15<_SeriousSam_>Thanks for help guys!
06:15<bernat>or maybe just running a new terminal window with a command as parameter
06:16<_SeriousSam_>"prog &" really rules :)
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06:24<CaBa>i'm having trouble remotely executing X11 applications on a squeeze machine. up to lenny i just installed xbase-clients on the server side, are there any additional requirements since squeeze?
06:25<jm_>using ssh?
06:26<jm_>is xauth installed on the remote end? is X11 forwarding enabled?
06:26<CaBa>yes, xauth is there and forwarding is enabled in sshd_config
06:27<jm_>does ssh -X -v ... yield anything useful?
06:28<CaBa>i tried with maximum verbosity, didn't reveal anything
06:28<CaBa>Warning: untrusted X11 forwarding setup failed: xauth key data not generated
06:28<CaBa>Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding.
06:28<CaBa>this shouldn't be a blocker i guess
06:29<Myon>are you ssh'ing from a terminal where X stuff works?
06:29<zalaey>arg, why would glx report my gl driver was blocked
06:29<CaBa>yeah, connecting to a lenny machine works fine
06:30<jm_>wait, I thought squeeze is the local server - what's running there?
06:30<CaBa>locally i'm on os x
06:30<CaBa>remote lenny works, remote squeeze fails
06:31<jm_>in that case try running sshd in debug mode or use strace (with -f switch) to see what happens when sshd calls xauth
06:33<grummund>Hi, "rec sample.wav" records only silence... how can i check the sound card input is working?
06:33<grummund>...also is there anything else to set up? (debian squeeze, and command line only)
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06:34<zalaey>what package is fbconfig included with? apt-cache search revealled nothing
06:34<CaBa>jm_: i'm pretty sure there must be an obvious solution for this. so let me put it this way: should x-forwarding work on a squeeze server simply be installing xbase-clients?
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06:35<jm_>zalaey: apt-cache doesn't search for filenames
06:35<jm_>CaBa: yup, since it depends on xauth
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06:42<CaBa>jm_: hmmmmm...
06:42<lindi->CaBa: sshd_config can disable it, so can ssh_config on client
06:42<CaBa>well the client is not in question, since it can use X11 on other servers
06:42<CaBa>and the server sshd_config says X11Forwarding yes
06:42<lindi->CaBa: also note that if somebody gets access to your account on the server they also get access to your desktop this way
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06:43<zalaey>jm_: yeah was hoping it was the name aof package :)
06:43<lindi->CaBa: and then they also get access to all those other servers as well
06:43<zalaey>CaBa: do all the computers you are connecting too have site certificates?
06:44<jm_>CaBa: regular ssh client has per-host options so one option can be disabled for one system but enabled for another
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06:44<CaBa>zalaey: site certificates?
06:45<zalaey>if ive updated glx and its switched my nvidia server, why haven;t i had to log out yet?
06:46<zalaey>CaBa: um yeah, the things made when using ssh? at least ive always had to make them so when th one server is talking to the other they can verify its them.
06:47<CaBa>lol... you are talking about the host key
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06:49<zalaey>caba, sure i just know when im using daemons that are ssl'd that each client and server needs its own x.509 certificate.
06:49<zalaey>so i thought using X from one computer to another still used encryption.
06:50<zalaey>and if it was working from the one installation but not the other, maybe the other didn't have a certificate
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06:51<jm_>in that case there would be no connection at all, but this seems to not be the case
06:51<lindi->CaBa: ah so you are not using ssh from debian
06:51<lindi->CaBa: then ssh -Y instead of ssh -X might make the difference. In debian both do the same
06:51<CaBa>-X falls back to -Y automatically
06:52<CaBa>i enabled server debugging now
06:52<CaBa>thats what i get in the server log:
06:52<CaBa>sshd[2039]: error: Failed to allocate internet-domain X11 display socket.
06:52<lindi->CaBa: that doesn't sound safe :)
06:52<zalaey>jm_: yeah just looked over right after you responded to me, havent beng following your thread
06:54<lindi->CaBa: is the server really running normal squeeze?
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06:54<jm_>strace should show what happens there
06:55<CaBa>i'm not in range of the machine and i won't strace sshd remotely ;)
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06:55<lindi->CaBa: what does "ip addr" list on the server?
06:56<lindi->CaBa: your loopback might be broken
06:56<themill>%dbugs 422327
06:56<dselect>#422327:N[openssh-server] openssh-server: Fails to bind port for X11 forwarding, ipv4/ipv6 mess (); Sat, 05 May 2007 07:09:02 UTC []
06:56<themill>(perhaps of relevance -- and where lindi- is going right now, I suspec)
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06:57<jm_>yeah strace will eat your /usr/sbin/sshd
06:58<lindi->yep Sami did all the debugging there
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07:00<CaBa>i have v6 disabled on that machine
07:00<CaBa>maybe thats causing the trouble
07:02<CaBa>AddressFamily inet
07:02<CaBa>in sshd_config fixed it
07:02<CaBa>oh my who would have thought about that...
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07:04<themill>CaBa: absolutely... it's pretty weird. Getting an error message out of sshd was the key though sticking 'debian "error: Failed to allocate internet-domain X11 display socket." ' gave that bug as the first hit ;)
07:05<CaBa>yeah i also had just found that on google after enabling debug
07:06<lindi->themill: that Sami's bug was one part of the puzzled that inspired me to find :)
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07:06<CaBa>well thanks for the support... i'm lucky i have it running now :P
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07:09<emmetea>i went from my MESA to debians package and now glxinfo reports nothing
07:12<emmetea>do i need to recompile everything again?
07:13<emmetea>or is there some obvious debian setting/program im missing ?
07:13<jm_>emmetea: perhaps try to include some more details, like "which debian package", "which version of debian", ...
07:13<emmetea>jm_: sorry, squeeze, nvidia drivers, the um 173xx ones.
07:14<emmetea>jm_: when x first starts i get the brief nvidia logo before kdm loads.
07:14<jm_>emmetea: squeeze has 195.x, 173.x is from lenny
07:15<abrotman>sounds like nvidia, not mesa
07:15<emmetea>jm_: apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx ?
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07:16<jm_>emmetea: ok right, so legacy driver -- what exactly did you do so far?
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07:17<emmetea>abrotman: not sure as of yet, originally i can downloaded Mesa and compiled it, gl worked fine, tried some of the xscreensaver-gl ones, looks smooth as duck shit, something updated mesa and now glxinfo states that it can't find RGB GLX visual
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07:18<emmetea>jm_: apt-get install playonlinuxm, it choose a bunch of things including things like nvidia-vdpau-driver and the 195.xx
07:19<jm_>emmetea: well you can only use the legacy or the regualr driver, not both
07:19<emmetea>jm_: that alerted to me i was somehow missing glx, so i removed the regular and reinstalled the legacy
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07:19<jm_>emmetea: which card do you have?
07:20<emmetea>jm_: geforce fx 5200
07:21<jm_>emmetea: you will need the legacy yes
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07:22<emmetea>jm_: yeah thats why i reinstalled it. 173.14.27 according to nvidia-settings
07:22<emmetea>jm_: should i try and figure out what package is breaking it, or just recompile and reinstall MESA?
07:22<jm_>emmetea: grep GLX /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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07:23<jm_>or grep -i for some more lines
07:23<babilen>emmetea: Could you tell us a bit more about the things you've done before? In particular the "downloaded Mesa and compiled it" what did you do there?
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07:24<abrotman>he means nvidia, not mesa
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07:24<abrotman>AFAICT anyway
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07:25<jm_>yeah, software renderer would probably not classify under "smooth as duck shit"
07:25<babilen>abrotman: that might very well be the case :)
07:26<emmetea>babilen: went to grabbed 7.10.3, untarred, ./configure; make; make install...
07:26<babilen>abrotman: hehe
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07:26<babilen>emmetea: That wasn't the brightest idea you had. Try a "make uninstall" and pray to $DEITY.
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07:27<emmetea>jm_: thats shows that the GLX module was loaded
07:27<jm_>also: make -n install and record all files it touches and reinstall all pacakges that own any possibly overwritten files
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07:27<jm_>emmetea: which one?
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07:27<emmetea>babilen: no, the brightest idea i had was not sleeping last night, compiling code isn't something to pray over.
07:28<emmetea>jm_: 173.14.27
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07:29<jm_>emmetea: and there are no errors about this in the X logfile?
07:29<jm_>emmetea: did it also load nv-glx extension?
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07:30<emmetea>jm_: yup, loaded NV-GLX
07:30<emmetea>jm_: nope, no errors.
07:30<Quite>compiling, no, but installing over already installed packages
07:30<jm_>emmetea: can you put your Xorg.0.log and glxinfo output on some pastebin?
07:31<gnufan2>apt-xapian-index --- err seems to eat memory when doing the weekly index update -- purged it since I don't know that I use it, but seems to come in as standard on upgrade from Lenny. Was this a bad idea to purge it - or sensible on a low memory box?
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07:33<emmetea>jm_: yeah sure give me a sec
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07:34<Quite>i'm scared to death of messing up the dependencies, i only place stuff that i compile myself in my home, at least in debian
07:34<Quite>i suppose it's a wise idea
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07:34<emmetea>jm_: however glxinfo i can't since its not giving me anything other than what ive said "Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig"
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07:38<abrotman>gnufan2: you can probably do without it
07:39<babilen>Quite: You can also install to /usr/local safely, which is eased by tools such as stow. You might want to ask the dselect (our bot) about stow, stow usage and usrlocal. For example: /msg dselect stow usage
07:39<Quite>oh so /usr/local is safe... good to know
07:39<Quite>that was my favorite place in freebsd
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07:40<lindi->Quite: you can create your own unofficial packages quite easily and safely too
07:41<jm_>emmetea: where does glxinfo binary come from?
07:41<babilen>Quite: checkinstall does that
07:41<Quite>there hasn't been a lot that i have had to compile myself in debian except some homebrew stuff.... which i'm thankful for
07:41<Quite>not that i'm afraid of it
07:41<babilen>Quite: But I personally prefer stow.
07:41<emmetea>jm_: mesa-utils
07:42<jm_>emmetea: ok, I'll ask in a different way - are you sure it wasn't overwritten when you installed new mesa from source?
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07:43<jm_>emmetea: cd / && md5sum -c /var/lib/dpkg/info/mesa-utils.md5sums
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07:43<emmetea>jm_: i had originally installed from source, however mesa-utils were included with the recommends from playonlinux
07:44<abrotman>jm_: feel like playing soccer on a mine field?
07:44<jm_>abrotman: almost
07:44<emmetea>jm_: everything comes up as OK
07:44<jm_>emmetea: do you know where mesa from source was installed to?
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07:45<Quite>yep... /usr/local is clean like a babie's ass
07:45<Quite>baby's even
07:45<emmetea>jm_: not off the top of my head, give me a sec
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07:47<Quite>slackware had a bad habit of installing stuff there, at least in the past
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07:47<Quite>i prefer the debian way of leaving it alone
07:49<gnufan2>abrotman: seems that gets rid of a big chuck of python from that box - which is probably a good thing - thanks.
07:49<abrotman>dunno about that .. but okay!
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07:52<emmetea>jm_: yeah, looks like /usr/local/
07:53<wols>what an unexpected coincidence. NOT!
07:53<gnufan2>abrotman: it is trying to be "just a DNS server", but that currently takes 540MB of disk space and 200MB of RAM. Trying to do DNS and update the index was too much for 200MB - sad but true.
07:53<jm_>emmetea: hmm glxinfo connects to X server and gets the info from there, can't quite imagine what's broken
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07:55<abrotman>gnufan2: ah okay
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07:56<jm_>emmetea: what does ls -l /usr/lib/ say?
07:56<gnufan2>abrotman: apparently it still have python 2.6 installed so snake lovers can rest easy.
07:56<emmetea>jm_: kind of how i feel.
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08:03<emmetea>jm_: was just looking into that myself, one sec
08:03<jm_>emmetea: your seconds seem quite long
08:03<jm_>emmetea: :>
08:04<emmetea>jm_: no such file or directory.
08:04<jm_>emmetea: how about ?
08:05<emmetea>jm_: what i meant more was seeing if there was a libgl seperate from what was in /usr/local/lib
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08:05<jm_>emmetea: quite natural there should be more such files on a debian system
08:06<emmetea>jm_: /usr/lib/ links to /etc/alternatives/
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08:06<jm_>emmetea: and that one links to nvidia/libGL?
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08:07<emmetea>jm_: yup, /usr/lib/nvidia/
08:07<jm_>emmetea: ok then it beats me why this isn't working
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08:09<emmetea>jm_: yeah me too.
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08:16<emmetea>jm_: im just going to trying recompiling but using checkinstall before make install
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08:17<jm_>emmetea: recompiling what?
08:17<emmetea>jm_: the newer libmesa
08:18<Quite>knock on wood
08:18<jm_>emmetea: please don't do this
08:18<emmetea>jm_: why? :(
08:18<Quite>stop knocking
08:19<jm_>emmetea: because you end up with a messed up system - upgrade to testing if you need newer versions of packages, possibly in chroot
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08:21<emmetea>jm_: the only newer version of any package i really need is wine, and that doesn't justify to me using testing. i'd just like this work how it was 24 hours ago before playonlinux's installation broke it.
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08:21<jm_>emmetea: you mean you had GLX working then?
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08:21<babilen>"smooth as duck shit"
08:22<emmetea>yes, thank you babilen
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08:22<abrotman>duck liver?
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08:22<babilen>emmetea: sounds as if something went wrong when you installed "playonlinux", can you provide more information about that ?
08:22<emmetea>abrotman: nah i avoid anything meatish from animals.
08:23<abrotman>meat-ish? rules out hot dogs ...
08:23<abrotman>might still allow for scrapple .. not entirely sure
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08:23<Odd_Bloke>I solved my earlier Macbook problem: I asked work for a different machine.
08:23<abrotman>maybe emmetea should try debsums to see what libraries haven been altered, then reinstall those packages?
08:24<emmetea>babilen: yeah, saw someone meantion that playonlinux could be used to run WoW, so i apt-get installed playonlinux, it went and got over 50M of extra files and the when it started up it complained that it couldn't find glx
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08:24<kyentei>emmetea: Anything meat-ish from animals. Meaning you do eat other animal bodyparts? o.O Interesting!
08:24<abrotman>and also note which packages have been installed by PoL
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08:24<babilen>emmetea: "it" couldn't find GLX -- what is "it" here?
08:24<emmetea>kyentei: nah, just don't really eat animals at all. they meantioned liver and well liver to me isn't "meat" even tho it comes from an animal
08:24<kyentei>emmetea: If you're looking to run WoW, a clean install of Wine is usually enough. And then when you start WoW, use wine ./wow.exe -opengl
08:24<emmetea>babilen: playonlinux
08:25<abrotman>emmetea: it's "organ meat" FWIW ..
08:25<Quite>playonlinux isn't in the apt database... i suppose it installs stuff as it likes
08:25<abrotman>judd: versions playonlinux
08:25<Quite>at least i'm afraid of it
08:25<judd>Package playonlinux on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 3.7.6-1; sid/contrib: 3.8.8-1
08:25<babilen>emmetea: Well, I'm with abrotman there. I would recommend to remove your installation from /usr/local (shouldn't be hard) and check debsums.
08:26<abrotman>playonlinux overwrote a library that was being "managed" by your source installatoin .. now something is out of whack ..
08:26<abrotman>or something playonlinux installed anyway
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08:26<Quite>ah ok
08:27<emmetea>abrotman: yeah i noticed when i went to install 195.xx rather than 173.xx which nvidia said was the supported one
08:27<babilen>abrotman: How can that be if emmetea installed to /usr/local as emmetea claims?
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08:27<emmetea>babilen: the only thing to /usr/local/ i installed was 24 hours ago i had compiled libmesa from scratch, it installs there by default
08:28<babilen>emmetea: Was that before or after "smoot as duck shit" turned into "raspy as apeshit" ?
08:29<jm_>emmetea: is /usr/local in or*?
08:29<emmetea>babilen: before, hence how i noticed the difference, tried viewing a few of the xscreensaver-gl screensavers which look i was ina k hole. compiled libmesa and suddenly its organic.
08:30<emmetea>jm_: ill check after debsums is done
08:31<jm_>makes no sense as nvidia cards need nvidia binary driver for decent 3D in squeeze
08:31<babilen>emmetea: I guess that the interplay of your local mesa installation and X is not working out (and has essentially never been tested before) -- Could you try to (re)move it somewhere else and check if that changes anything? Please also run debsums.
08:31<dselect>rumour has it, debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files.
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08:32<babilen>And I still don't quite understand why you want to mess with a newer mesa anyway.
08:33<emmetea>babilen: debsums has been running for a bit now.
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08:34<emmetea>jm_: well nvidia sent me to opengl which sent me to mesa3d. i then added contrib and non-free. went with the nv xorg server and it was running fine
08:34<jrib>what do I need to do to get grub to detect my ubuntu and windows install on other partitions?
08:34<abrotman>it takes awhile
08:34<abrotman>jrib: os-prober
08:36<jrib>abrotman: that should be run when I run update-grub right?
08:36<jrib>abrotman: at the moment, when I run "update-grub" it finds my debian kernels, spits out 5 "umount: /var/lib/os-prober/mount: not mounted", and then says "done"
08:37<abrotman>never seen that error
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08:37<abrotman>jrib: when i run update-grub, yes, it picks up windows
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08:37<jrib>abrotman: ok, I shall investigate os-prober further
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08:38<jrib>was just checking there was not some simple thing I needed to do on an initial debian install
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08:38<emmetea>woohoo, finally done dubsumsing.
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08:40<emmetea>jm_: no, the only thing listed in /etc/ points to /etc/
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08:42<emmetea>however i did add the path to the locally installed libs.
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08:42<Quite>i think i would run WoW on a dedicated windows box, but that's me... linux' main focus hasn't been and will probably never be on gaming... but then i'm an old conservative fart that only plays doom once a year
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08:42<abrotman>Quite: that's silly, lots of people do gaming on linux
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08:43<Quite>ok so i'm silly
08:43<jrib>abrotman: found an ubuntu bug . I had loop-aes-utils and it seems to break os-prober somehow... Anyway, I'm satisfied with just removing it for now
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08:43<emmetea>quite: honestly, i can't stand windoze.
08:43<kyentei>Quite: That's like suggesting to buy a gaming console in order to solve the issue.
08:44<Quite>not quite, eh
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08:44<kyentei>Yes quite.
08:44<jrib>abrotman: thanks for your time :D
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08:44<exutux>hi all
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08:44<kyentei>Also, Quite: I get more FPS using Ubuntu/Debian combined with Wine inside World of Warcraft, than I do using Windows.
08:45<exutux>where I can find md5sum list for verify debian iso?
08:45<Quite>wow.... i didn't know wine was useful for anytning
08:45<jm_>exutux: on the cdimage site
08:45<Quite>at least it was quite buggy in the past
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08:46<exutux>jm_: I cannot find list :-/
08:46<emmetea>jm_: actually ldconfig -v shows that /usr/local/lib's gl files are there.
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08:47<abrotman>Quite: so you haven't used it in 10 years?
08:47<emmetea>yeah i wouldnt have used wine ten years ago either @_@
08:48<exutux>kyentei: I downloaded this debian-
08:48<jm_>emmetea: are they used too? try ldd /usr/bin/glxinfo
08:48<Quite>something ilke that
08:48<Quite>like, even
08:48<Quite>i suppose it has improved somewhat since then
08:48<Quite>nice to hear that WoW works nice in it
08:48*Quite never played WoW
08:49<jm_>exutux: this is a better link: - you can find signed files this way
08:49<kyentei>exutux: Look up "debian-" in the url(s) jm_ just gave you.
08:49<emmetea> jm_ ldd shows that glxinfo is using the from /usr/local/lib and the also. everything else is /usr/lib
08:50<exutux>jm_: thanks
08:50<jm_>emmetea: ok, try renaming /usr/local to /usr/local_duck_shit
08:50<jm_>exutux: no worries
08:50<exutux>kyentei: thanks too
08:50<jm_>emmetea: or at least /usr/local/lib
08:50<kyentei>Quite: I was surprised to see WoW works rather out-of-the-box on Wine.
08:50<kyentei>Quite: But it does, which is great.
08:51<emmetea>jm_: fire up ldconfig or anything?
08:51<jm_>emmetea: I was thinking glxinfo
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08:54<emmetea>jm_: hey nvidia-settings again registers it.
08:54<jm_>emmetea: ok so remove the stuff from /usr/local as previously suggested
08:55<jm_>(after renaming it back)
08:55<emmetea>jm_: where would i look to find out what from playonlinux caused this to happen?
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08:56<jm_>emmetea: if playonlinux is from debian then it didn\t, but your installation of mesa from source did
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08:58<emmetea>jm_: regardless if you believe it or not, the installation of mesa from source was working fine for 24 hours, glxinfo diplayed everything correctly, i intalled playonlinux from apt, removed the 195.xx, added the 173.xx and it stopped working.
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09:02<abrotman>dselect: it
09:02<dselect>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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09:07<Germ>Hello, I have a bit of a problem with my system.
09:07<Torsten_W>that helps no one
09:07<Germ>When I start up, Ubuntu doesn't load properly.
09:07<Germ>It only loads a full screen terminal.
09:07<Torsten_W>here is #debian
09:08<babilen>%ubuntuirc Germ
09:08<dselect>Germ: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
09:08<Germ>I'm banned from freechode.
09:08<Torsten_W>freechode != freenode
09:08<abrotman>Germ: that isn't our problem, take it up with the freenode people, not us .. we still don't support Ubuntu in this channel
09:08<Torsten_W>and btw, it's your fault, if you are banned there
09:09<babilen>Germ: There is nothing *we* can do about that. This is still not the right channel.
09:09<Germ>why would you need a ' , ' after fault ?
09:09<Germ>it's not required.
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09:09<wols>yay, a grammar nazi too. how to make friends and influence people
09:10<Germ>Torsten_W, aren't you so cool with your !='s.
09:10<Germ>That makes you look like a pro.
09:10<devil>Germ: not everyone is a native speaker. so your criticism isn't needed either
09:10*abrotman asks why Germ is banned from #ubuntu .. he's not banned from freenode
09:10<Germ>I request that wols be banned. The word ' nazi ' offends me, because I'm Jewish.
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09:11<devil>Germ: you asked for it
09:11<Germ>devil, I'm banned from the freenode network.
09:11<devil>Germ: i can't help that
09:11<Germ>I *
09:11<jeff_hann>sweet Lord
09:12<abrotman>did they k-line you?
09:12<rpetre>i'm beginning to understand why he's banned :)
09:12<wols>abrotman: we wish
09:12<Germ>You know, let me check.
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09:12<Germ>Yes, I am klined.
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09:13<Germ>* You are banned from this server- Not helping out users. mail if in error
09:13<Germ>* Closing Link: (*** Banned )
09:13<Germ>* Disconnected (Remote host closed socket).
09:13<stew>Germ: email ; this is not the channel to get help with either freenode or ubuntu. if you cannot use the ubuntu channel for help on irc, use
09:14<Germ>Doesn't meat go good with stew?
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09:14<exutux>now he's banned hear too lol he's out of the net world :p
09:15<stew>now lets please move on...
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09:19<kyentei>Awww, darnit. Did I just miss all the fun? *sighs*
09:19<emmetea>but but but i can see his ip address...
09:20<abrotman>move along ..
09:20<emmetea>kyentei: you said wow ran out of the box with squeeze?
09:20<kyentei>emmetea: With wine.
09:21<kyentei>emmetea: In my experience, yes.
09:21<Rehnquist>i've just installed squeeze on an older acer travelmate with atheros chipset. i don't seem to have wifi at all. where should i start?
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09:21<kyentei>emmetea: Obviously, if you need have your graphicscard driver installed
09:21<wols>Rehnquist: dmesg and ifconfig -a/iwconfig
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09:22<kyentei>I hope that helps
09:22<wols>if there is no wifi stuff to be found there, check lspci -nn what atheros chip it is
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09:22<emmetea>kyentei: okay, when i had checked with winehq the furthest back it would list that it was certified for was 1.2.something and i was a tad bit concerned since squeeze has 1.0.1 iirc
09:22<emmetea>kyentei: yeah i know that about the graphics card, hence all the problems from earlier >_<
09:23<kyentei>emmetea: I must note that I haven't tried since Wrath. But over a timespan of three years ago till now, everything up till wrath has worked out of the box to me.
09:23<kyentei>emmetea: It does, however, require you to run WoW in opengl mode though. (I never noticed any difference)
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09:24<emmetea>kyentei: yeah i had stopped around wrath due to the sudden introduction of two back to back kids in my life, just have finally gotten a chance to get back into it again. haven't been using windows and didn't want to have to go back :)
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09:25<bschneider>I have a problem with OpenSwan
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09:26<bschneider>I have this error: error: ERROR: netlink response for Add SA comp.a34d@XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX included errno 22: Invalid argument
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09:26<bschneider>follow by: add_sa ipcomp failed
09:26<bschneider>any idear ?
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09:27<kyentei>emmetea: ^.^ Are you going to be playing Cataclysm now? Or did you decide to go for one of the less legal ways to play the game?
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09:28<rpetre>emmetea: fwiw, 3.x was working out-of-the-box with wine, 4.0 segfaults (but i do have testing, and nvidia)
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09:29<emmetea>kyentei: yeah i was looking to, would be nice to be able to fly in the rest of the world besides northrend.
09:29<rpetre>i have a friend that plays from linux
09:29<kyentei>rpetre: Oh, thanks for that info. I didn't know that
09:29<rpetre>so it works
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09:30<emmetea>rpetre: 4.0 is broken eh? im using a nvidia card however im not running testing.
09:30<rpetre>i've given up and use a dedicated gaming windows install in dual-boot
09:30<kyentei>emmetea: I am aware that we're in #debian, but Ubuntu has a great wiki on how to play WoW using wine:
09:30<rpetre>try -opengl
09:31<kyentei>rpetre: Yes, the -opengl parameter is a requirement in my experience.
09:31<emmetea>kyentei: ill have to check that out.
09:31<rpetre>my friend said he uses both directx and opengl
09:32<rpetre>and picks whatever he feels works better
09:32<Powerfuldevice>How do you explicitly open a port for a program?
09:32<kyentei>emmetea: It says there someone is able to play just fine on Wheezy, rating the gameplay as Gold.
09:32<abrotman>Powerfuldevice: in what context?
09:32<Powerfuldevice>Say you execute a hosting program in the command prompt or via a shell script.
09:32<Powerfuldevice>How do you ensure that a port is always open for that program?
09:34<abrotman>you mean, how do you make sure it's not in use by something else?
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09:34<emmetea>Powerfuldevice: edit /etc/inetd.conf and /etc/services ?
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09:35<Powerfuldevice>Thanks a bunch
09:35<Powerfuldevice>Debian is sexy.
09:35<abrotman>not sure that answered hsi question ..
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09:38<emmetea>abrotman: i dont see why it wouldnt have? services would be the port and the inetd would be for whatever program they needed to keep open?
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09:39<petemc>why would anyone ever edit /etc/services?
09:39<wols>emmetea: thw whole script thing...
09:39<wols>petemc: boredom!
09:39<abrotman>emmetea: he was asking how to see if the port was already in use
09:39<Powerfuldevice>port 2125 is blocked
09:39<Powerfuldevice>I was hosting a game server for about three hours.
09:39<petemc>lsof -i :25
09:40<Powerfuldevice>I have no idea why its blocked.
09:40<petemc>erm, 2125
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09:41<Powerfuldevice>Incoming pastebin
09:42<abrotman>see ...
09:42<emmetea>abrotman: i figured when he said the part of ensuring it says open he'd need to make it a service.
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09:43<emmetea>Powerfuldevice: what kind of game server are you hosting?
09:43<petemc>emmetea: man services
09:43<emmetea>petemc: and?
09:44<Powerfuldevice>Keep in mind I have about ten days of Linux experience but I do understand how to use shell commands via SSH.
09:44<petemc>emmetea: you seem confused about what it is for
09:45<abrotman>Powerfuldevice: fuser -n tcp 2125 should give you a PID
09:46<Powerfuldevice>abrotman: 1888
09:46<abrotman>you're suupposed to see what 1888 is
09:46<wols>Powerfuldevice: now check what process the PID 1888 is
09:46<jhutchins_lt>ps ax | grep 1888
09:46<emmetea>petemc: not really... he was at first being quite vague. he was talking abour leaving a port open and ensuring it stayed open, normally that implies a daemon.
09:47<Powerfuldevice>Apologies, just trying to be clear about an issue in a generally understandable way.
09:47<emmetea>petemc: so if he was using, lets say stunnel, he'd have to edit both the /etc/services for where he wanted it wrapped and /etc/inetd.conf to tell the computer what program should be run when that port is accessed
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09:48<Powerfuldevice>858 pts/1 S+ 0:00 grep 1888
09:48<Powerfuldevice>1888 ? R 587:38 DreamDaemon tgstation.dmb 2125 -safe
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09:49<wols>so now you know what program listens on that port
09:50<jhutchins_lt>emmetea: afik, the only thing /etc/services is used for is when you specify a port by name and an application needs to look up the number.
09:50<jhutchins_lt>emmetea: It isn't actually a control file.
09:50<Powerfuldevice>I need to open up 2125 for DD to be able to receive connections. :/
09:50<jhutchins_lt>Powerfuldevice: The way to make sure a port is available is to not run another program that uses the same port.
09:51<jhutchins_lt>Powerfuldevice: Tell dd to use 2125 then.
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09:51<Powerfuldevice>That's what I don't get. The program was up and open on 2125 earlier. Now it appears 2125 is blocked.
09:52<wols>it's blocked since that process you listed above is using the port
09:52<wols>probably the exact same program you are trying to start a 2nd time
09:53<Powerfuldevice>So kill that process and restart it?
09:53<emmetea>jhutchins_lt: in /etc/services if i needed to do that, wouldn't dreamdaemon 2125/tcp ddaemon be an entry?
09:53<wols>one possible way
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09:54<emmetea>jhutchins_lt: then add a line to /etc/inetd.conf with maybe ddaemon stream tcp nowait root /usr/local/dreamdaemon ?
09:54<jhutchins_lt>emmetea: Only if you needed to look up the ddaemon port by name.
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09:54<jhutchins_lt>inetd.conf is for launching daemons when they are called.
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09:55<jhutchins_lt>emmetea: THat would work if you didn't want to leave the daemon running.
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09:55<Powerfuldevice>kill pid 1888
09:55<Powerfuldevice>That's not shutting it down.
09:55<emmetea>jhutchins_lt: i try to never let anything extra be running >_>
09:56<emmetea>Powerfuldevice: kill -9 1888
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09:56<wols>emmetea: don't tell people to use -9 from the start...
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09:58<emmetea>wols: but its so much better than -HUP
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09:59<emmetea>wols: they had already stated kill 1888 wasn't hanging it up
10:01<Powerfuldevice>-9 means what?
10:01<Powerfuldevice>kill kill?
10:01<Powerfuldevice>I really appreciate it
10:01<Powerfuldevice>I understand what's going on. The program is hanging.
10:01<fnmueller>man kill
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10:01<fnmueller>learn to use man :-)
10:02<jww>may I suggest man man ;)
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10:02<emmetea>Powerfuldevice: they are right, man kill would be good to look over
10:02<sylar>I have a dvd of debian, and everytime I try to install from it, it complains that the package can not be authenticated
10:02<Powerfuldevice>That's incredibly handy.
10:02<Powerfuldevice>I was using a pocket fedora guide
10:02<sylar>I have installed debian-keyring, debian-archive-keyring
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10:02<sylar>what else can I do?
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10:04<fnmueller>sylar: did you check the md5 sum of the dvd?
10:05<jhutchins_lt>Powerfuldevice: See also kill -l
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10:06<Powerfuldevice>Thanks again, everyone.
10:07<sylar>fnmueller, yes, it was good
10:07<fnmueller>Powerfuldevice: np
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10:07<fnmueller>sylar: which package throws the error?
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10:08<sylar>fnmueller, all
10:08<abrotman>sylar: can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin and also the output of 'apt-get update;aptitude update' ?
10:09<sylar>abrotman, I have in the source list just that dvd
10:09<abrotman>sylar: you don't use any http sources?
10:09<sylar>abrotman, correct
10:10<abrotman>eh .. why not?
10:10<sylar>no network
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10:15<sylar>abrotman, apt-get update and aptitude update produce the same output
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10:16<sylar>abrotman, there are about 9 lines of Ign file: mydvdpath file
10:16<abrotman>that's normal
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10:17<sylar>including squeze release.gpg
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10:18<sylar>... so ... how do I resolve that authentication issue?
10:18<sylar>anything more to do beside installing debian-keyring from that dvd?
10:19<abrotman>debian-archive-keyring should be enough
10:19<sylar>I had it installed too
10:20<sylar>from the dvd
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10:20<sylar>it didn't help
10:20<sylar>its like that dvd dislike itsle
10:20<abrotman>sylar: likely, the key is expired .. how old is your DVD set ?
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10:21<abrotman>sylar: apt-key list .. find the key that matches the one it is complaining about, look at the expiration date
10:21<sylar>abrotman, I don't know
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10:23<sylar>the expiry in apt-get key is soonest at 2012, but what is on the packages that has problems?
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10:25<sylar>how to find out the key on a *.deb file?
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10:27<stew>sylar: .deb files are not signed, so there is no key
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10:30<kyentei>sylar: Only repositories are signed. Deb files indeed aren't.
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10:32<sylar>so... where does that dvd have the sigs?
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10:32<sylar>when I use it as a repository?
10:33<sylar>and how do I tell source.list where the sigs are?
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10:34<Black_Prince>sylar, you add keys with apt-key
10:35<fnmueller>sylar: well, as you have no network connection and as you trust the dvd. Just disable the signature checks
10:35<Black_Prince>sylar, also I don't think that DVD's are signed, and if they are, they are surely included in debian-archive-keyring packages.
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10:36<fnmueller>also, there is apt-cdrom iirc
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10:37<fnmueller> --> " It is necessary to use apt-cdrom to add CDs to the APT system, it cannot be done by hand." (don't ask me why)
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10:39<fnmueller>sylar: also, just found that:
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10:46<jeremiah_>So ld all of a sudden can't find crt1.o
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10:47<Black_Prince>jeremiah_, libc6-dev installed?
10:47<lindi->jeremiah_: wheezy?
10:47<jeremiah_>Yes - libc6-dev installed
10:47<jeremiah_>Yes - Wheezy
10:47<lindi->jeremiah_: sounds like the multiarch migration
10:47<jeremiah_>I thought it might be that. :)
10:48<jeremiah_>So I need to point out to ld where the crt1.o lives?
10:48<babilen>lindi-: Do you happen to know the bug for this? I'd like to adjust the topic in #debian-next
10:49<babilen>jeremiah_: btw -- we have a new channel for wheezy/sid users/problems called #debian-next :)
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10:49<lindi->babilen: possibly 629819
10:49<babilen>lindi-: Ta!
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10:49<srtu>join OFTC'
10:50<sylar>I will just continue to answer yes, to install without authentication , I guess
10:50<babilen>srtu: There is no unfortunately. You have to stick to English or ask in
10:50<srtu>yeah i see it allready ;-)
10:51<fnmueller>sylar: I gave you the link on how to disbale the check
10:51<sylar>now when trying to reinstall packages, apt-get complain about immediate configuration of bash, and point me to man 5 apt.conf , which is not so much understood
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10:52<sylar>I have no apt.conf in /etc
10:52<sylar>fnmueller, what is that link?
10:53<babilen>jeremiah_: You might want to read /usr/share/doc/libc6/NEWS.Debian.gz and the bug lindi- mentioned.
10:53<fnmueller><fnmueller> sylar: also, just found that:
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10:53<sylar>fnmueller, I read that thanks
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10:54<fnmueller>sylar: hmm, you are most welcome. Just create the file with this contents and it should work
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10:55<sylar>k, now on to the next problem
10:56<sylar>the reinstall fail due to immediate configuration
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10:57<jeremiah_>Thanks everyone
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11:00<JuanDosSantos1991>Hello, I have successfully compiled a kernel module, it's located at /lib/modules/, but I can't load it:
11:00<JuanDosSantos1991>modprobe iscsi_trgt: FATAL: Module iscsi_trgt not found.
11:01<sylar>it is similar to this problem:
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11:02<JuanDosSantos1991>sylar: I don't think so..
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11:04<JuanDosSantos1991>If I do a modinfo /lib/modules/ I get the hole information about the module
11:06<wols>JuanDosSantos1991: depmod -a
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11:07<sylar>JuanDosSantos1991, I was talking about my problem ...
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11:08<JuanDosSantos1991>sylar: ah ok I am sorry
11:08<supaplex>I think I don't have enough video ram to run two monitors at the resolution I want. I checked the bios settings for my laptop, and there's no field entry to modify this. How do I tell how much video ram I have, and how can I increase it?
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11:10<wols>you increase it in bios and then it's picked automatically
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11:16<grummund>Hi, any suggestions for command line tools for removing scratch/clicks/pops from audio files?
11:16<grummund>i've tried sox with lowpass filter but it's not very effective
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11:17<themill>,info gwc
11:17<judd>Package gwc (sound, optional) in squeeze/i386: Audio file denoiser. Version: 0.21.05-1.2; Size: 139.9k; Installed: 440k; Homepage:; Screenshot:
11:18<themill>grummund: ^^ only based on apt-cache search and not on personal experience of it. There are various editing tools that can do this too (one click at a time, I believe)
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11:18<grummund>themill: ok thanks for the heads up, i'll take a look.
11:18<grummund>themill: i need it to run from a script with no manual intervention
11:19<themill>,info audacity
11:19<judd>Package audacity (sound, optional) in squeeze/i386: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. Version: 1.3.12-6; Size: 2596.1k; Installed: 6944k; Homepage:; Screenshot:
11:19<themill>grummund: I've done it by hand with that before; there may be automagical tools within it too
11:19<themill>ahh.. from a script probably rules out audacity
11:19<grummund>it's on a headless box
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11:21<kop>grummund: You can always run X over the network....
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11:21<kop>grummund: (Not that that's what you want, but.)
11:21<grummund>yeah it doesn't help but thanks :)
11:22<kop>grummund: See what searching with debtags finds.
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11:50<nash_>hello friends
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11:54<yossarian>i've installed squeeze on an older acer travelmate and i've run into a problem: wifi is not working. it's got an intel 2200BG chip. i can't even connect it via ethernet because the socket seems to be faulty :))
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11:55<yossarian>iwconfig returns lo, eth0 and pan0, all with 'no wireless connection'
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11:58<Rehnquist>i see that a package exists for this chipset in the contrib repos, but, erm, i can't connect it to any network
11:59<Rehnquist>nevermind, i can get it as a .deb as well :D
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12:03<Rehnquist>problem solved :)
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12:09<dupondje>At what interval is updated ?
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12:10<emmanuel>Please I need a help
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12:11<koollman>emmanuel: formulate a question, then
12:11<emmanuel>I want to setup VOIPusing asterik, but am confuse of the things I need to achieve this
12:12<emmanuel>I need this to establish some extensions for pc to pc calls only for now
12:12<emmanuel>what do I please need to work this out?
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12:12<cahoot>Rehnquist, my guess is you need firmware
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12:13<Rehnquist>cahoot, yes, i did :)
12:13<koollman>emmanuel: I would use an asterisk-oriented distribution. I used asteriskNow to setup a voip server at work. simple enough to install, works well, decent setup interface (freepbx plus some other stuff)
12:13*Rehnquist figured it out himself
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12:14<cahoot>Rehnquist, don't worry , I won't take credit
12:14<emmanuel>koollman: can can u pls refer me to the documentation you used?
12:14<emmanuel>and what are the stuff needed?
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12:16<emmanuel>Koollman: do are need any additional hadware other thank the pcand network card?
12:17<koollman>emmanuel: just for voip, no. if you need to also direct calls through a real telephone line (numerical or analogic) then you will need adapter cards for this
12:17<koollman>s/numerical/digital/ ... it's getting late
12:18<emmanuel>koollman: that is good
12:18<emmanuel>is it free?
12:19<koollman>(well, there's paying support if you want some, but it's free software and free to get the install cd iso)
12:20<emmanuel>does it come with it own operating system or what? what is the cd iso about?
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12:21<emmanuel>koollman:does it come with it own operating system or what? what is the cd iso about?
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12:22<koollman>emmanuel: yes. it's a complete linux distribution. you put the cd in some machine you reserved for that use, and install it. then you have a voip server
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12:22<koollman>you could install the various components mentionned and configure them correctly. but the 'fully integrated' approach works well too
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12:23<emmanuel>koolman:any extra configuration require?
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12:25<emmanuel>koollman:are you there pls?
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12:25<vrkalak>uh, no
12:26<emmanuel>koollman: I will please like to establish contact with you
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12:27<vrkalak>sorry, wrong chat
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13:00<grummund>anyone know what the "Hd:N.N" means in sox console output?
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13:09<grummund>In:0.00% 00:00:25.43 [00:00:00.00] Out:1.22M [ | ] Hd:3.1 Clip:0
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13:16<stew>vattente via
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13:17<emmanuel>who can pls help me with asterisk?
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13:17<stew>emmanuel: just ask your real question
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13:18<babilen>emmanuel: And be aware that there is a #asterisk channel over at -- But yes, ask a real question.
13:18<emmanuel>am currently downloading the AsteriskNow iso image, but I can't find any handy documentaion on it, who can pls help me with some docs?
13:19<valdyn>emmanuel: thats not debian
13:19<emmanuel>am on the #asterisk channel but there is only one person there
13:19<babilen>emmanuel: Please ask #asterisk as AsteriskNow has nothing to do with Debian. We could probably help you to setup Asterisk on Debian though.
13:19<babilen>emmanuel: The channel is on
13:19<emmanuel>who is not responding
13:19<stew>emmanuel: #asterisk is on, not this network, and currently i see 221 people in that channel
13:19<babilen>%otherchannel emmanuel #asterisk
13:19<dselect>emmanuel: The channel you are looking for is #asterisk on Please do /server and then /join #asterisk. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://
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13:21<emmanuel>ok thank you guys
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13:51<stew>i would love to know why it is always people from italy that do this
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13:51<wols>I miss dpkg
13:51<naadde>can anyone tell me why I can't join irc-server with X-hat
13:51<naadde>it says I mispell it
13:52<naadde>but earlier i've could
13:52<MrFrood>even bots are alowed holidays
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13:53<wols>naadde: what's the error message?
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13:53<naadde>"server not found maybe you mispelled it
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13:54<naadde>* Looking up newserver
13:54<naadde>* Unknown host. Maybe you misspelled it?
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13:55<rww>you didn't put the server address into the server properties window
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14:00<naadde>I did
14:00<naadde>it just doesn't connect
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14:01<rww>considering that "newserver" is the default value that's used if you don't put anything in there...
14:01<naadde>it says newserver/6667
14:01<naadde>thanks man
14:01<naadde>now I got it
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14:04<parkour>salu les personne
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14:06<dselect>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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14:12<mattmatteh>having trouble getting sound working. tried several apps, checked alsa mixer and i still get nothing
14:14<cahoot>mattmatteh, speaker-test -t wav -c2 - error?
14:15<mattmatteh>no error and silent
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14:16<cahoot>mattmatteh, cat /proc/asound/cards - only one?
14:16<mattmatteh> 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
14:16<cahoot>mattmatteh, try this: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0; speaker-test -t wav -c2
14:17<wols>cahoot: as what does a nvidia HDMI device show up in cards?
14:17<cahoot>no chance of cable/connector dysfunction?
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14:18<cahoot>is it a hdmi? in a monitor?
14:18<mattmatteh>cahoot: thought it was working fine in gentoo the other day
14:18<mattmatteh>cahoot: display is dvi, sounds is using optical spdif
14:18<cahoot>ouch - I bail out
14:18<mattmatteh>there is unused hdmi on the board
14:19<cahoot>btw spdif enabled in alsamixer?
14:19<mattmatteh>strange, rarely have problems with gentoo. but any time i try any other distro its a huge pain in the butt
14:19<mattmatteh>cahoot: yes, i checked that
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14:19<mattmatteh>if you tell me what to compare i can reboot to gentoo and verify it works
14:20<cahoot>mattmatteh, I'd just cp the mixersettings
14:20<cahoot>(forgot where they reside)
14:21<mattmatteh>ill reboot and check whats up with gentoo
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14:21<cahoot>wols I know nothing about hdmi
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14:22<wols>cahoot: just curious since it would show up in there too
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14:22<wols>me neither, not having a hdmi capable videocard
14:22<sney>mattmatteh: also, try adding to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf: options snd-hda-intel model=auto
14:22<sney>oh bloody hell
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14:24<ox>#join blenderchat
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14:25<cahoot>wols, though I'm in the possession of macbookpro-displayport-dvi cable to an eizomonitor that insists on keep silent contrary to advertisment (so much for it just works)
14:25<ox>looking for a good blender laptop. any ideas?
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14:26<wols>ox: ##hardware sounds like a good idea
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14:26<sney>for debian os compatibility, ati graphics are currently easier to get working
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14:29<ox>good info. thanks!
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14:39<matt2>now it works
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14:40<matt2>weird, the same option i was toggling before does it
14:41<sney>matt2: in debian or gentoo?
14:41<calvinow>I've got a question regarding Kernel compiles: I want to use the kernel-package system, but the machine I'm compiling for is quite old, and compiling the kernel takes upwards of 2 hours... I have access to a 24-core Xenon box that can compile the kernel in 5 minutes, which is what I usually do for other distros. Is there a way to tell "make-kpkg" that the kernel has already been built? I don't see any functionality like that me
14:42<sney>matt2: the wide diversity of audio chips that use snd-hda-intel means that sometimes the detection is wrong, or there's some minor incompatibility with your specific chip... it's annoying, good to see you got it working without having to rebuild alsa-source
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14:42<sney>calvinow: #debian-mentors would surely know, they're the packaging experts
14:42<wols>calvinow: you simply build it on the 24core Xeon and copy over the .deb package to the old, slow PC
14:43<calvinow>sney: Thanks
14:43<calvinow>wols: Yeah, but I don't have root access to the 24-core machine, and it's running Red Hat
14:43<wols>calvinow: ccache
14:43<sney>I wonder if you could debootstrap in a home directory. probably not though
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14:44<calvinow>sney: There's a 200MB quota on the home directory, so probably not... I use /tmp to compile when I do
14:45<matt2>sney: debian
14:45<calvinow>wols: I do need to try that...
14:45<matt2>sney: well, i recall having to unset another spdif, but forgot which and why. i tried that in debain the first time but didnt work.
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14:45<calvinow>Thanks guys
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14:46<sney>matt2: if your problem returns, adding 'options snd-hda-intel model=auto' to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf may fix it permanently
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14:57<emmanuel>does asterisk hv a GUI for administration?
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14:58<matt2>sney: ok
14:58<matt2>sney: still kinda stuck though
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14:58<sney>matt2: stuck?
14:59<matt2>mplayer that was compiled and installed to ~ works
14:59<matt2>totem and rhythmbox installed through the package manager do not work
14:59<alex-johnson>I've set vm.swappiness to 0 but every time I run a virtual machine using Virtualbox it uses about half of my RAM (2GB out of 4GB) and then starts to use swap space even when the RAM isn't close to being full, can anyone tell me why?
15:00<jhutchins_lt>matt2: Why not use the debian mplayer?
15:00<sney>or, if he needs all the stuff left out, the dmm mplayer
15:00<matt2>jhutchins_lt: messing with gentoo prefix, which is a source install of packages in ~ as user. great for software testing
15:01<matt2>jhutchins_lt: that way if i wanted to install something that could break the system i can in ~ without breaking
15:01<jhutchins_lt>matt2: Possibly you have used a source which does not have the correct library paths for debian.
15:01<matt2>jhutchins_lt: that doesnt make sense. its the debain packages that do not work
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15:03<sney>%doesnt work
15:03<dselect>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
15:03<matt2>jhutchins_lt: mplayer from debian works.
15:03<matt2>ill test totem again in a moment
15:04<sney>gentoo prefix sounds like stow
15:04<matt2>sney: sound versus no sound
15:04<matt2>sney: what do you mean ?
15:04<dselect>extra, extra, read all about it, stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>. . See also <usrlocal>, <uupdate>.
15:04<matt2>sney: /usr/local is not ~
15:04<matt2>sney: /usr/local usually requires root
15:04<sney>clearly. but otherwise it sounds similar.
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15:05<matt2>sney: not really, gentoo prefix started out for installing on mac osx. and spread to other operating systems. while most users have control, some find it useful at work where they might not.
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15:05<sney>I'm not saying they ripped it off or anything.
15:06<matt2>sney: sure, it has its uses
15:06<sney>sheesh, you make an offhand comment
15:06<matt2>hmm ?
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15:08<matt2>sney: tried totem and rhythmox again, both say they are playing the file and there is no sound
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15:08<sney>if you run them from a terminal, do any relevant messages show up in the terminal window while it's trying to play the file?
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15:10<matt2>jack server is not running or cannot be started and Cannot connect to server socket
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15:10<matt2>is jack used by default on debain ?
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15:11<sney>I'm pretty sure it isn't. most people have bare alsa and some have pulse
15:12<matt2>i dont recall doing anything with jack or sounds stuff other than try to use it
15:12<matt2>should be a default set up
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15:13<sney>well, check if pulseaudio is installed and you'll have your answer
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15:14<matt2>searched pulseaudio in synaptic package manager and it doesnt show it being installed
15:15<matt2>wouldnt that be a dependency of totem ?
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15:15<matt2>there is libjack-jackd
15:16<matt2>there is libpulse installed
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15:52<Class>hello folks
15:53<Class>i wonder can i crack the sniffed information transmitted via scp ?
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15:54<babilen>Class: Wrong channel
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15:57<kyentei>Class: I suggest you try hanging around in some backtrack IRC channels with that question. Though, scp = ssh: goodluck.
15:57<valdyn>Class: no you cant
15:58<xta|>Class: mitm it when its happening.
15:58<xta|>who checks fingerprints anyways.
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16:09<ompaul>Class: and now the test, how many different answers did you get?
16:09*ompaul whistles
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16:10<Class>ompaul, i joined to backtrack and someone asked me if scp can encrypt the packages :(
16:11<valdyn>Class: asking how to crack ssh is almost as silly
16:11<ompaul>Class: wrong asnwer
16:11<ompaul>answer even
16:11<MrFrood>Class: step 1: get your self a major super computer
16:11<Class>valdyn, i dont think that ssh and scp's encryption is exactly the same
16:11<ompaul>Class: let me help you here, you have asked how to break ford knox with a penknife
16:12<valdyn>Class: might want to read the documentation then
16:12<stew>Class: they are, and this entire conversation is really beyond the scope of this channel
16:13<ompaul>Class: the trick is in defending not in using some found in the net script that plays games until the cops come knocking on your door in a play called "not really a social call!"
16:13<xta|>Class: if you can sniff the traffic i'm guessing you're somehow inbetween the scp client and the server. most scp/ssh certs aren't CA signed, scp clients don't check the signature, and people don't check the fingerprints. just terminate the connection (ssl) on both sides with socat, and read plaintext inbetween.
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16:14<Class>xta|, sslstrip ?
16:14<xta|>yah whatever.
16:14<xta|>it will do.
16:14<babilen>Stop it please -- this is *not* on-topic here.
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16:14<xta|>sorry babilen. i've said all i was gonna say :-)
16:14<babilen>sure :)
16:15<Class>ok sorry guys
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16:25<xta|>not much on-topic conversation going on though :)
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16:26<daemonkeeper>Its Debian, it just works.
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16:27<s_i_m>or just dont.
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16:29<anni>Hi. I just installed the latest debian on my new laptop but I am not sure how to configure the webcam. I am not really sure how to even start so if someone could give me some help getting started I would appreciate it
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16:32<dselect>For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>. See also <quickcam>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <m560x-driver>, <w9968cf>, <pwc>, <sn9c20x>.
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16:32<jhutchins_lt>anni: I didn't have to do anything for mine. Install cheese and see what it sees.
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16:35<anni>thank you i installed cheese but its very choppy and slow
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16:35<anni>just like me
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16:36<chaosIrssi>Could not resolve ' :( what's wrong?
16:36<babilen>chaosIrssi: You broke the internet!
16:36<chaosIrssi>yeah i bet i did :P
16:36<babilen>chaosIrssi: But on a more serious note -- it is probably your DNS resolution that is broken. How do you connect? Where do you get your DNS servers from?
16:37<retrospectacus>you broke it in your location. The internet is OK here. has address
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16:37<chaosIrssi>my ISP
16:37<babilen>chaosIrssi: And other websites "just work" ?
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16:37<chaosIrssi>resolves to the same ip here
16:38<retrospectacus>why'd you say could not resolve ... then
16:38<chaosIrssi>and aptitude update ran without any errors now
16:38<babilen>Ah, but aptitude/apt-get can not resolve the name? Please, be specific :)
16:38<chaosIrssi>i ran it once it was bitching ... then i was bitching here ... i ran it after seeing it resolves to the same ip and then it was fine
16:39<babilen>chaosIrssi: Probably a buggy resolver on your ISPs side -- It took some time to look it up. You might want to use your own DNS (like unbound) or at least use one of the free ones. ( or come to mind)
16:40<chaosIrssi>also .. i have no clear idea what dns servers my system uses since the resolv.conf was blown up into a bunch of badly named files
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16:40<anni>I have another problem. I can not get skype to recognize my mic. what software could i use to test that locally_
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16:41<flor>arecord | aplay
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16:45<anni>flor, those dont exist (unless you were talking to someone else)
16:46<flor>arecord and aplay are in the alsa-utils package
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16:47<flor>arecord without arguments record the audio from the default alsa device and outputs it to stdout, aplay plays the audio through the default alsa device
16:48<anni>is there no simple record program?
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16:48<flor>I don't know simpler record program for alsa than arecord
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16:49<anni>cant find package alsa-utils
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16:50<retrospectacus>,versions alsa-utils
16:50<judd>Package alsa-utils on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.16-2; squeeze: 1.0.23-3; sid: 1.0.23-5+b1; wheezy: 1.0.23-5+b1
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17:01<anni>Hi again. I am trying to make wireless work on this fresh install but the little icon that usually is present on the top bar showing the network situation is not there and I dont know where to get a gui for the wireless
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17:02<zykotick9_>anni, network-manager-gnome is one option (if you use Gnome).
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17:02<dselect>NetworkManager is a network management framework daemon. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions and ask me about <nm squeeze>. #nm on See also <nmcli>, <wireless connection managers>.
17:03<babilen>anni: Read the wiki page ^^^
17:03<babilen>... which is not linked in that factoid ;-\
17:03<babilen>ah, it is ...
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17:04<anni>Ok. I installed network-manager-gnome. I will logout and log back in and hope for the best
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17:07<anni>I logged out and back in but this network-manager-gnome isnt showing any of the wireless networks around even though there are a lot around me right now
17:08<babilen>anni: You have to configure it -- did you read the wiki? Nothing scary, but a little bit needs to be done.
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17:10<anni>babilen, I read the wiki but it doesnt say anything about how to setup the wireless network. I know in Lenny there was a simple network box that you would click and it would show the available wireless connections, nice and easy. How do I get that back?
17:11<babilen>anni: You don't have the icon at all?
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17:11<anni>babilen, I _now_ have the network-manager-gnome icon but this is a different looking one than in Lenny and it doesnt mention anything about wireless networks
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17:12<anni>The icon in Lenny was just the wireless "bars" and you just clicked that to view the available connections. I dont remember having to do anything special to get it to show up, it seamed to just come with the gnome-core packages
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17:13<babilen>anni: Did you edit /etc/network/interfaces as described in the wiki (so it does not contain *anything* about the device) ?
17:13<babilen>anni: Is the card even working?
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17:14<anni>babilen, the card shows up in lspci and the light saying it is on is on. What wiki page do you mean, I didnt see anything about that
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17:14<anni>babilen, but also, there is nothing about wifi0 in /etc/network/interfaces
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17:15<babilen>anni: There shouldn't be. Could you run "ifconfig -a ; iwconfig" and "cat /etc/network/interfaces" and paste the results?
17:15<zykotick9_>anni, what card is it? do you have the required firmware installed (if required)?
17:15<babilen>anni: Ah, throw in a "lspci -nn| grep -A2 -i network" too
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17:17<grummund>Hi all, i'm trying to fix a sound distortion problem and i read some advice to edit /etc/asound.conf but i don't have that file, can i just create it? AFAIK alsa *is* installed.
17:17<babilen>anni: thanks
17:18<babilen>anni: That worked with lenny?
17:19<babilen>,pciid 10ec:8172
17:19<judd>[10ec:8172] is 'RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also
17:19<dselect>The Realtek RTL8191SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172) and RTL8192SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174, some 10ec:8192) are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192se) is in mainline since Linux 3.0-rc1, enabled in Debian kernel images at linux-2.6 3.0.0~rc1-1~experimental.1. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware>.
17:19<anni>babilen, I did not try lenny on this one. This computer is brand new, the lenny stuff was on another laptop (a few years old)
17:20<babilen>anni: Alright -- I would have been *very* surprised if lenny worked with that card. As you can see you need a brand new kernel from experimental. I would suggest to download linux-base from sid and the 3.0.0 -rc6 kernel from experimental and to install them manually.
17:21<babilen>anni: No idea how good the support for that card is though -- You also need firmware, /msg dpkg realtek firmware
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17:21<babilen>anni: You can, naturally, also compile the kernel yourself.
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17:21<babilen>anni: Did you follow?
17:21<anni>babilen, wow, thats quite the situation. I think I might just try the latest version of Ubuntu and hope for the best. I dont really want to start compiling my own kernel, etc, and maintaining it because this laptop is not mine, it is a friends who I am helping out
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17:22<babilen>anni: Ubuntu won't have that kernel either.
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17:22<babilen>anni: I can help you to achieve that, but I am not sure where I have to start in the explanations.
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17:24<babilen>anni: The easiest way is probably to download the linux-base package from sid and the linux-image package from experimental. You can install them with "dpkg -i the_debs.deb"
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17:24<anni>babilen, ok. give me a second while i consult the gods of the room i am in
17:24<babilen>anni: And I am quite sure that other distributions will not support that card yet either.
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17:25<babilen>anni: Which room is that and what does $DEITY say?
17:25<babilen>or $DEITIES ;)
17:26<anni>babilen, I will very much appreciate your help right now. The $DEITIES have given me time to work on this so if you could give me a second to let a friend out of my apartment I will very much appreciate your help
17:26<babilen>anni: Sure, take your time. I will also take a short break and be with you in ~5 minutes.
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17:27<babilen>There are many other helpful souls around apart from me though :)
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17:34<anni>babilen, I am back whenever you are
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17:35<babilen>anni: Ok, I'm too -- So, you have a working network connection on that box, don't you?
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17:36<anni>babilen, yes, I am on it right now
17:36<babilen>anni: wonderful, which architecture do you use?
17:36<exutux>hey guys is normally that I have X on tty8 instead tty7?
17:36<babilen>exutux: It happens once in a while -- does it start there every time? (some gdm/xdm/kdm/whatev fuckup)
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17:36<anni>babilen, 32 I am pretty sure but not positive. Is there an easy way to check?
17:37<babilen>anni: Could you paste the output of "dpkg --print-architecture" ?
17:37<exutux>babilen: uhm lemme check I know that I have only gdm but how can i check it?
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17:38<anni>babilen, i386
17:38<jhutchins_lt>exutux: Do you have anyting on tty7?
17:38<babilen>exutux: No, I mean does it start there every single time? It is likely to be a gdm/gdm3 fuckup -- there is a bug report IIRC -- Check the BTS.
17:38<babilen>anni: Ok, thank you
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17:40<babilen>anni: You have to download and
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17:41<exutux>babilen: uhm I don't know
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17:41<exutux>babilen: what is BTS?
17:41<babilen>exutux: What don't you know? I know that my crystal ball is not working that well right now
17:42<babilen>exutux: The bug tracking system
17:42<dselect>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>.
17:42<anni>babilen, all downloaded
17:42<babilen>exutux: Sorry, I should have spelled that out. ;)
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17:42<exutux>babilen: I don't know if it start in tty8 every single time
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17:43<babilen>anni: Ok, now change to root and change to the directory in which those two files have been saved and install them with "dpkg -i *.deb" (make sure that there are no other .deb files though -- run "ls *.deb" before)
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17:43<babilen>anni: You can also give the complete filenames, which is probably the best idea, but I am lazy and don't want to type them out. :)
17:44<exutux>babilen: and...I don't know how to search on BTS which keyword i searching for?
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17:45<jhutchins_lt>Searching the BTS is like identifying a specific grain of sand in the Gobi desert.
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17:45<babilen>exutux: I would start with bugs reported against gdm3 -- another good idea is to goodle for something like "tty7 tty8"
17:45<anni>babilen, with linux-base there were no problems but linux-image gave me errors. Output here:
17:46<babilen>anni: damn
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17:46<babilen>anni: Apparently a new version of initramfs-tools is also needed ...
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17:47<exutux>babilen: yeah google gives me more results about it
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17:50<anni>babilen, success. No errors or anything but it did give me a big warning about needing firmware for a lot of devices because it is only available in the contrib non-free repos
17:50<babilen>anni: yes, we will do that now.
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17:51<babilen>anni: Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn" to ?
17:51<babilen>You definitely need to install the firmware for realtek devices. Give me a second and I'll hunt them down.
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17:51<exutux>babilen: does this bug referre to gdm3 only? I don't have gdm3 anyway
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17:52<PovAddict>is it possible to configure a single USB port to use USB1?
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17:53<grummund>How can i tell what options a kernal module has been loaded with?
17:53<PovAddict>well, have one port on USB1 and another on USB2
17:53<babilen>anni: Which means that you need too -- (cf.
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17:54<babilen>exutux: I can't give you the particulars, but I know this behaviour and saw a bug report once. I don't have the bug number right now.
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17:55<babilen>anni: Sorry, but that is *really* new hardware.
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17:56<exutux>babilen: ok thanks a in progress ..
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17:57<anni>babilen, no problem, it is a brand spanking new computer. I installed the firmware-realtek but what should I do with the other thing that was in the bug report?
17:57<babilen>anni: which other thing? I just wanted to provide my references ...
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17:58<babilen>anni: Oh, one second please.
17:58<anni>babilen, ah. ok. I saw the report with a link to download the firmware from realtek and started downloading it, I didnt install it or anything
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17:59<babilen>anni: Yes, please install that. I would also like to try one more thing with you. I will explain the reasoning behind it, but I'll have to check first.
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18:00<babilen>anni: The bug report mentions (in contrast to our bot) that a RTL8191SEvB card is working fine with a 2.6.38 kernel -- this kernel is available in backports too. The major advantage is that the backport kernel is easier to install and to upgrade.
18:00<dselect>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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18:00<PovAddict>where's dpkg?
18:01<babilen>anni: If it does indeed work with a 2.6.38 kernel I would suggest to use that kernel and forget about the 3.0.0 as *you* would have to make sure that it is updated regularly. (basically go to and install the kernel manually, but there are other ways)
18:01<babilen>PovAddict: On holiday
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18:01<babilen>%tell PovAddict -about dselectbot
18:02<PovAddict>traveling anywhere nice? :)
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18:02<anni>babilen, Hummm, so should I uninstall all of the .deb packages I have installed and take the 2.6.38 from backports and try that?
18:02<zalaey>zomg my eyeballs hurt.
18:02<babilen>anni: Do you follow so far? The card should work now *once* you reboot into the 3.0.0 kernel, but it is a bit of a hassle to keep it up-to-date.
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18:03<zalaey>holy shit, linux is in 3.0.0 now ?! @_@
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18:03<babilen>anni: No, you can leave the 3.0.0 kernel for now too, but I would *also* try the backported kernel. If the backports one works, it is fine and you can remove the linux-image 3.0.0
18:03<anni>babilen, I understand this part. I did not do one thing though - what do I do with the .tar.gz file that I downloaded from the Realtek site?
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18:03<PovAddict>zalaey: yes
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18:04<babilen>anni: No, you do not need that tar.gz *at all* -- You need the firmware-realtek package >= 0.31
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18:04<zalaey>tar xvzf foobar.tar.gz ; cd foobar ; ./configure ;make; checkinstall make install ?
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18:04<zalaey>zalaey: nvm >_>
18:04<anni>babilen, great. Ok, I will do the first test and reboot and hope for the best. I shall hopefully be back soon with good news
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18:05<babilen>anni: Ah, from the link in the bug report?
18:05<zalaey>PovAddict: thats crazy to me. i was graduating high school when 2.0 just became stable
18:05<anni>babilen, yes
18:05<babilen>anni: Yeah, sure. See you in a second! (you installed the firmware-package didn't you?)
18:05<themill>zalaey: young whipper snapper
18:06<anni>babilen, sure did
18:06<zalaey>themill: yup, wasted most of the late ninties trying to get old 386s and 486s to run linux. even got minix to work ona 286.
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18:06<zalaey>themill: actually i used help with tik and toc
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18:07<zalaey>never got too far up the heirarchy tho because i didn't have a drivers license ;p
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18:09<zalaey>oh, what is the "normal" installation method for squeeze? i apparently used a rescue disc with ncurses and manually installed what i needed. and is there a debian rescue disc that could fit on a 100MB flash drive?
18:09<anni>babilen, Greetings from the Wireless network!
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18:10<babilen>anni: \o/
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18:11<babilen>anni: Great -- Try the .38 in backports too. Anything else we can help you with?
18:12<anni>babilen, Just the question of how unstable would it be to keep running the 3.0.0. I know for sure the owner of this computer will _not_ install any updates because they are lazy and just wont do it
18:12<exutux>babilen: uhm it happens when I restart session not at reboot
18:12<anni>babilen, Basically, I dont want to start breaking something that is currently working. What are the risks of installing the .38 over the 3.0.0 (sorry, my kernel flipping expierence is very limited)
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18:14<babilen>anni: You can install many different kernels at the same time -- You have the .32 and the 3.0.0 installed right now. The question is which one will be used by default. The problem is that the kernel you are using right now is a release candidate and you should eventually install the released version. As well as *all* security updates.
18:15<babilen>anni: So you are not the owner and the owner will not install updates *at all* ? Not even if some nice icon reminds her/him of it?
18:15<babilen>exutux: yeah, that is exactly the behaviour. Did you find the bug report?
18:16<exutux>babilen: nope :|
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18:16<anni>babilen, the odds are against it but that would give better chances. I am up and its not tooo late so where do I find the .32 kernel?
18:16<babilen>exutux: I'll have a look ...
18:16<babilen>anni: The kernel was the one that was installed when you installed Debian. What does your question mean?
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18:17<babilen>anni: I would therefore install the backported kernel and try that too -- Chances are that it might work. We can then install synaptic or update-manager-gnome in order to ease the installation of upgrades.
18:17<exutux>babilen: if I don't have bug number I don't know how can find ecxatly... ok babilen thanks
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18:18<anni>babilen, Sorry, I meant to say the .38 kernel. How do I install it from backports?
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18:19<babilen>exutux: One second, I'll have a look.
18:19<babilen>%bdo sources
18:19*babilen pokes dselect
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18:19<babilen>anni: ← follow that
18:20<babilen>%bdo kernel
18:20<dselect>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via Ask me about <bdo> to add to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 See also <bdo kernel lenny>.
18:20<exutux>babilen: np I'm here ;)
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18:20<anni>babilen, Thank you for all of your help. I will check that out now and thanks for making this very painless
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18:22<babilen>exutux: My google-fu is stronger than yours -- try to google for "+tty7 +tty8 gdm3"
18:22<babilen>anni: You are most welcome. May you have a nice day!
18:23<babilen>exutux: Ah, what the hell -- it is #603767 I was thinking of
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18:24<anni>babilen, Sorry. One more question. Is this the right backports package: linux-headers-2.6.38-2-all
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18:24<exutux>babilen: argh I have just read that...but there is no solution, isn'it?
18:25<babilen>anni: No, you want one that starts with linux-image -- But look at what dselect just said. It gives you the exact command you have to run.
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18:25<babilen>exutux: No idea, you now know more than I do as I haven't read the bug report in some time. I just remembered that it does exist :)
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18:25<babilen>anni: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686
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18:27<zykotick9_>babilen, i'd like to thank you as well. I used the steps you gave to anni as a guide to installing 3.0.0-rc6-amd64 on a VM.
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18:27<exutux>babilen: :) thanks a lot... have a beer anyway :p
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18:28<babilen>zykotick9_: I would like to point out that *another* way to do this (probably easier) is to add experimental to your sources.list and run "aptitude -t experimental install ...."
18:28<babilen>exutux: Oh, I have my dram of Talisker :)
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18:30<babilen>zykotick9_: The problem with that approach is that initramfs-tools and linux-base are needed from sid, which means that you also have to set some pinning. Most easily done via setting the default release
18:30<babilen>%default release
18:30<dselect>Put APT::Default-Release "foo"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf (create if needed) and replace foo with squeeze, wheezy, sid or experimental. That will make foo the standard release that packages will be fetched from. Also ask me about <tum> and see Debian bug #97564 if you are using a release earlier than squeeze.
18:30<babilen>zykotick9_: So you can add sid and experimental sources safely -- Just remember to install *nothing else* than the kernel from there.
18:31<babilen>Oh, anni left ... probably trying the bdo kernel.
18:31<zykotick9_>babilen, pinning is something I have yet to tackle. I've only glanced over the documentation so far, and there are certainly some pieces that I haven't gotten my head around YET :)
18:31<babilen>zykotick9_: That was the next thing I wanted to walk anni through, but you go ahead.
18:31<babilen>zykotick9_: you don't actually have to configure pinning -- just set the default release and you are done.
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18:32<zykotick9_>babilen, that sounds easy enough. Thanks again - you're a fountain of knowledge :)
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18:32<babilen>zykotick9_: Pinning gives you more fine-grained control in that it allows you to define the priority of packages individually. Setting the default release will just make sure that only packages from that release are installed by, well, default.
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18:33<babilen>zykotick9_: Thank you *blush* :)
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18:34<exutux>babilen: sorry another little question, doesn't lxdm is on the repo's? I would like to try if is a single gdm's problem...
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18:36<babilen>exutux: lxdm?
18:36<babilen>,versions lxdm
18:36<judd>Sorry, no package named 'lxdm' was found in i386.
18:36<babilen>exutux: Does not appear to be packaged
18:36<exutux>babilen: yeah login manager of lxde
18:36<exutux>ok I'll try xdm
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18:37<babilen>exutux: But hang on -- #617458
18:37<winsen>hello eveybody
18:38<winsen>witch is the best webmail? gmail, yahoo...and why? thanks for answer
18:38<MrFrood>SLiM works fine with LXDE (but be aware SLiM will not do remote graphical log-ins)
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18:39<grummund>Hmm, "The requested URL /cgi/search.cgi was not found on this server."
18:39<exutux>babilen: argh well
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18:39<babilen>grummund: try
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18:40<babilen>winsen: This is not a Debian related question at all. Choose whatever you feel most comfortable with.
18:40<grummund>babilen: perhaps i'm dumb but couldn't see how to work that... ;-/ the other page is linked to from there, btw.
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18:41<winsen><babilen>hi, like what?
18:41<babilen>grummund: What is the problem with ?
18:41<babilen>grummund: It works fine here
18:42<grummund>babilen: ok, how would i search for bugs related to snd_via82xx ?
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18:43<rony>Ciao gente cosa fatte
18:43<babilen>grummund: google? kernel bugs?
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18:44<grummund>how can i search for *debian* bugs related to snd_via82xx ?
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18:44<grummund>not via // i take it?
18:45<grummund>google works fine btw
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18:45<babilen>grummund: Something like "+search_term1 search_term2 ~related_area" works most of the time.
18:46<babilen>grummund: And as you know that those bugs would have been reported against your kernel, you can check bugs for that package.
18:47<grummund>babilen: that's fine... but as i was saying links to which is "not found"
18:48<babilen>grummund: No idea what problem you have there -- it works perfectly fine for me as well as
18:48<babilen> OTOH does not
18:48<babilen>Ugh, wrong URL -- I meant
18:48<grummund>babilen: sorry, how does it work perfectly for you?
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18:49<grummund>does work?
18:49<babilen>grummund: I don't get "not found" for example?
18:49<grummund>hmm, ok.
18:49<babilen>grummund: No, that does not work and I get "no found" for that page as well. (As opposed to )
18:49<grummund> is definitely "not found" here
18:49<babilen>same here
18:50<grummund>babilen: right... well what i said is links to which is "not found"
18:50<babilen>grummund: I don't see that behaviour here
18:50<grummund>what behaviour?
18:50<babilen>But I understand your problem
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18:50<babilen>the linking
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18:51<grummund>babilen: page down to - "You can search bug reports using our HyperEstraier based search engine."
18:51<babilen>ah, yeah. that seems to be broken
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18:51<babilen>(you could have told me that a bit earlier!)
18:52<babilen>check with #debian-www
18:52<babilen>or report a bug against the website
18:53<grummund>so i must use google, or there is a search engine on debian? (just askin' like...)
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18:53<babilen>grummund: see
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18:54<babilen>grummund: I would encourage you to file that bug, so it can get fixed. I always use google/duckduckgo -- never tried that hyperastraier thingie there.
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19:00<grummund>To load a kernel module with different options, is it sufficient to "rmmod xxx; modprobe xxx option=nnn" ?
19:00<grummund>...and how can i check what options a module has been loaded with?
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19:02<zykotick9_>babilen, it seems that adding the wheezy/sid/experimental repo to try 3.0.0 may not be easier after all. I'm guessing squeeze simply has to many, outdated packages, for aptitude to figure out an acceptable dependency resolution for everything. I've been pressing "n" in aptitude for a while now, and most options involve removing most of gnome. Thanks so much for the info, I certainly learned something new :)
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19:05<zykotick9_>babilen, DOH - was trying the header package instead of the image package - this method is easier, if you exclude operator error ;)
19:05<babilen>zykotick9_: Huh? May I see your setup? Did you set the default release and did you install linux-base+initramfs-tools from sid *first* (aptitude -t sid ...) before you install the kernel?
19:05<babilen>zykotick9_: hehe
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19:05<zykotick9_>babilen, yup!
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19:06<zykotick9_>babilen, i'm gonna go with Tab Fail ;)
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19:06<babilen>ok, if you insist
19:07<zykotick9_>babilen, re reply to the initramfs question, no i didn't -- but it is reported as a package being "updated"
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19:10<zykotick9_>vm rebooted successfully and "uname -r" reporting 3.0.0-rc6-amd64 :) VMs are wonderful for experimenting.
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19:12<babilen>zykotick9_: indeed
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19:21<dang6>when aligning an ssd, should I ignore head and cylinder counts and just partition by sector number?
19:21<tp43>I just plugged in a wireless router today. And funny thing is, I can't connect using my cable anymore
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19:37<tp43>something is wrong with my network. I used to be able to use synergy sharing my input, and even play movie through telnet/ssh
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19:40<retrospectacus>tp43: do you have a debian question?
19:41<tp43>well, my desktop is debian, and my laptop is ubuntu
19:41<tp43>But anyway, I shutdown for the night, maybe tomorrow
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19:42<d4r10>hi guys
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20:17<xcatx>alguien puede ayudarme???
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20:19<xcatx>disculpen, alguien me puede ayudar???
20:19<dselect>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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20:21<xcatx>hola alguien me puede ayudar???
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20:40<vook>I have a strange problem. On NIS server X, which has several mounts to NFS server Z, I have one user, and only one, who is unable to access files owned by groups that he is a part of, except for one group, of which he has no problem accessing files. User is able to access all files for respected groups while logged in via NIS to the NFS server, and can access files for said groups on NIS server and clients if the files are local. This happens w
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20:43<vook>I have tried most of the obvious - restarting nis on clients and server, unmounting and remounting on clients, restarting portmap, etc... executing /var/yp/make over and over. removing user from all groups, readding user to all groups, etc...
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21:06<zykotick9>,pciid 8086:4222
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21:06<judd>[8086:4222] is 'PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'iwl3945' in squeeze. See also
21:07<dselect>iwlwifi is a driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 and WiFi Link 4965 devices since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. If upgrading from Etch, see to switch from ipw3945 to iwl3945. See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on
21:07<zykotick9>Is there a method to get ,pciid info privately, by means of /msg?
21:07<retrospectacus>zykotick9: /msg judd pciid xxxx:yyyy
21:07<zykotick9>retrospectacus, thanks
21:07<retrospectacus>sure thing
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21:45<gsimmons>babilen: Linux 2.6.38 has no support for the RTL8191SE. Julien Eula in #609784 is using the out-of-tree vendor driver ("Kernel driver in use: rtl819xSE").
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21:47<babilen>gsimmons: Thanks, it was quite evident that it got enabled in 3.0.0, but it might have been ported.
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22:13<gbarnett>folks, I which to distribute a file with a debian package, which contains the version of the package
22:13<gbarnett>whats the prefered way to get the version in the debian/rules file from the changelog?
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22:43<Jones>Hi. What command can I run to list all network devices connected to my machine (including ethernet card and USB wifi)?
22:44<Jones>ifconfig is only showing eth0
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22:45<Jones>but lsusb shows my wifi adapter
22:45<abrotman>then your wifi isn't configured
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22:46<Jones>how do I find out what name it has like eth0?
22:47<chealer>hide: $ lshw -class net
22:47<chealer>Jones: $ lshw -class net
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22:50<nevyn>Jones: ifconfig -a is a good start
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22:53<Vantage>Hi all, I'm getting bit by anyone know if there's a workaround?
22:53<Vantage>I'm using a 32 system, but I've got the same RAID/LVM config as the original reporter
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22:54<Vantage>This has worked with previous versions of grub, the start of the drive is at 63 sectors...
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23:03<Jones>lshw gives me command not found error
23:04<zykotick9>Jones, you might need to install it
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23:05<Jones>zyk: ok thanks. what is the package called?
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23:09<babilen>%tell Jones -about apt-file
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23:10<babilen>Jones: apt-file search -x "bin/lshw$"
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