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---Logopened Wed Jul 13 00:00:32 2011
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00:04<mARCUs>shizzerfizzle..... ithink my router just died
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00:06<zalaey>calvinow: yeah i know, the only processors in my house that are allowed to idle and sleep p are the laptops.
00:06<zalaey>Hydroxide: saving power?! bah, lol.
00:07<mARCUs>haha....yeah i cant cuss, its not healthy :)
00:07<zalaey>Hydroxide: actually power generation techniques were what i was last working on before kids :(
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00:14<zalaey>is there a.deb of gecko by chance included with iceweasel?
00:17<mARCUs>random: A little bit of powder, a little bit of paint, makes a girl’s complexion seem what it ain’t.
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00:18<magyar>hi how do i combine in a certificate the certificate key the rsa key and dh parameters?
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00:20<zalaey>magyar: oh, i know that. damn it. apparently that information didn't save in my brain. i know i was just going through that too early setting up stunnel
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00:22<zalaey>its like the link is down in my brain. everytime i think about iti can almost see the manpage i was reading from when i was editing the site certificates
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00:22<zalaey>magyar: i want to say "man openssl"
00:23<zalaey>magyar: but dont quote me on that :)
00:23<magyar>zalaey: i think i got it
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00:35*bignose would suggest GNU ‘certtool(1)’ but magyar seems to be fine now
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00:36<magyar>thanks bignose
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00:37<bignose>magyar: seriously?
00:37*bignose doesn't know whether ‘certtool’ is a whole lot better interface than ‘openssl’
00:37<bignose>I mean, *I* prefer it
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00:38<zalaey>is gecko by chance included with iceweasel?
00:39<bignose>zalaey: Gecko is the rendering engine Iceweasel uses
00:40<bignose>so, by installing the latter, you will get the former
00:40<bignose>but I don't know if that's the question.
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00:40<zalaey>but to update the former in playonlinux i might break the latter?
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00:41<bignose>zalaey: you should update all packages in step, unless you know what you're doing
00:41<sney>playonlinux keeps everything it uses self-contained, iirc
00:41<zalaey>sney: ah... interesting.
00:42<magyar>bignose: openssl is a bit confusing
00:42<sney>doesn't it also offer multiple wine versions simultaneously or something
00:42<magyar>i've been taring my hair out for the past 5 hours
00:42<Arrowmaster>and the gecko used in wine isnt the same as iceweasel, the one for wine is compiled for windows instead of linux
00:43<zalaey>sney: i think so. i know the wine that loads up from this computers terminals is 1.0.1 however pol seems to being 1.2
00:43<bignose>magyar: okay, glad to help. I do find the ‘gnutls-bin’ tools a whole lot more straightforward to use.
00:43<magyar>i tried req reqnode sign you name it
00:43<sney>ff/iceweasel is also fairly self contained. it doesn't even share gtk with the rest of the system.
00:43<zalaey>Arrowmaster: so i should let it do its own thing then? it kind of asked that and i was looking through apt-cache to see what had gecko in it
00:43<magyar>but postfix / courier still complain about the cert
00:43<Arrowmaster>zalaey: yeah let it do its own thing
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00:44<zalaey>Arrowmaster: should i manually update PoL in squeeze or just use the squeeze thats with it?
00:45<zalaey>or just use the PoL thats with squeeze
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00:46<Arrowmaster>one in squeeze should be fine
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01:09<That_Dude>Hey guys, anybody know how to file shred?
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01:11<That_Dude>Hello? Anybody there?
01:12<zalaey>That_Dude: kind of here. horrible headache. what do you mean yb file shread? get ride of what?
01:13<zalaey>That_Dude: i mean i dont want to know what what
01:13<zalaey>That_Dude: just like from your signifcant other? your parents? cops? the feds?
01:13<bignose>That_Dude: does the ‘wipe’ package meet your needs?
01:13<That_Dude>OH thank god someone is here. I just need a program that I can use to shred business documents before I give my old laptop to my daughter. Google didnt help.
01:14<bignose>That_Dude: or perhaps ‘bleachbit’?
01:14<That_Dude>Is that a program?
01:14<zalaey>yeah i can only give youa few commands, i don't know programs like that :)
01:14<sney>or just use DBAN and then install a clean os
01:14<That_Dude>as long as it gets rid of the porn :)
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01:14<bignose>That_Dude: or the core GNU tools includes ‘shred(1)’
01:14<That_Dude>sney: I cant reformat the whole system
01:15<sney>why not?
01:15<bignose>That_Dude: (all found with ‘aptitude’ search, by the way. it's your friend.)
01:15<That_Dude>im on a pissy 5GB a month internet cap and I dont have the installation disc
01:15<That_Dude>aptitude? Whats the difference between aptitude and apt-get?
01:15<bignose>That_Dude: Aptitude is nicer :-)
01:15<sney>%why aptitude
01:15<dselect>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Read the release notes and
01:16<That_Dude>Aptitude swore at me... :P
01:16<That_Dude>I actually heard that apt-get is the newer version?
01:16<zalaey>That_Dude: best i can say is wherever the files were, do this to that partition (/dev/foo)"mkfs.ext2 -v -cc /dev/foo" then mount it "mount /dev/foo /mnt" scrub it "cat /dev/urandom > /mnt" once its "full" then "umount /mnt" and remake a file system on it
01:17<That_Dude>zalaey: Essentially a format?
01:17<bignose>That_Dude: they both use APT, which is the package management system.
01:17<That_Dude>bignose: Thanks
01:17<sney>zalaey's solution assumes you have your /home directories on a separate partition
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01:18<zykotick9>bignose, i think you mean, they both use dpkg ;)
01:18<zalaey>That_Dude: yeah not sure how tech save your daughter is, lol. i was saying as if she'd go and undelete your buisness files
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01:19<bignose>zykotick9: no, I mean they both use APT (which itself uses dpkg)
01:19<That_Dude>zalaey: Took a test... Top 10 in the state :P
01:19<That_Dude>bignose: Ok thanks :)
01:19<zalaey>That_Dude: yeah... personally im the type of parent that'd wipe the drive clean ;p
01:19<sney>I suppose if you wanted to be extra paranoid, you could fill every file from /dev/urandom before deleting it
01:20<bignose>zykotick9: the ‘apt’ package installs APT, and also installs several programs which use APT. then there are several other separate packages which also install programs that use APT.
01:20<That_Dude>zalaey: It is so tempting to do so but I only have a 5GB quota at the moment and no installation disc
01:20<That_Dude>What about the command 'shred' from terminal?
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01:21<bignose>sney: that's not paranoid enough. the ‘wipe’ and ‘bleachbit’ packages go further than that.
01:21<zalaey>sney: i was kind of assuming that all original partions were deleted so that /dev/foo was the only parition.
01:21<bignose>That_Dude: that's one of the options I pointed you to, yes.
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01:21<bignose>That_Dude: evaluate them all.
01:21<zalaey>That_Dude: how is your laptop paritioned then?
01:21<That_Dude>bignose: Thanks, that should be fine :)
01:21<That_Dude>zalaey: It is all on one partition
01:22<bignose>zalaey: that's the default, and is fine for most single-user computers.
01:22<zalaey>bignose: i know, its what i normally install on single user computers, unless of course there is an obvious need for a /home partition
01:23<That_Dude>OK, I shall try scrub
01:23<bignose>heh, I never heard of that one
01:23<zalaey>bignose: i just personally said oi because i personally normally pizza-cut a partition to avoid data loss over time.
01:24<jm_>what a pointless task - like your daughter can't find her own porn ...
01:24<bignose>That_Dude: well, now that I look for it, there is *also* a ‘scrub’ package :-)
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01:24<That_Dude>jm_: That was a joke :P But yes she could find her own porn
01:24<bignose>That_Dude: as though you needed more options for this.
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01:25<zalaey>bignose: /boot ; / ; /home; and the swap sapce.
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01:26<zalaey>then sometimes ill go brooklyn style and cut it in sixs for a /usr and a /tmp
01:27<That_Dude>ok that is brilliant, shred worked fine. Thanks for your help guys!
01:27<zalaey>and a regular eight cut if i need two other partitions for backup mirrors.
01:27<bignose>zalaey: you use pizza parlour lingo like a pro.
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01:28<zalaey>bignose: in college i had a roommate who in highschool worked at a pizza parlour. guess i picked up a few ideas from being around him ;p
01:29<bignose>The volume of a pizza, of thickness ‘a’ and radius ‘z’, is:
01:29<zalaey>bignose: i also have cut up alot of partitions especially when people need to dual boot
01:29<zalaey>bignose: thats the awesomest thing ive read all night ^_^
01:30<jm_>why not type ¶ ?
01:30<bignose>er, why would I need a pilcrow sign?
01:31<zalaey>wouldnt also be pizza then.
01:31<bignose>and if you mean “why not type π”, then it wouldn't be “pi” which is the joke.
01:32<zalaey>it'd be qizza
01:32<bignose>I can explain it for the next forty minutes if that would make it funnier.
01:32<zalaey>what'd be funnier is if i didn't have to apparently wait for what i just copied over to download.
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01:41<jm_>ahh shame on me, should read character description before using it based on its looks
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01:51<Black_Prince>dpkg hello
01:51<dpkg>hola, black_prince
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01:52<AgentC__>how to remove exim4-base package forced with ignoring depencies ?
01:53<AgentC__>aptitude tries to install another mailer on removing that packge, but there is still xmail installed.
01:54<AgentC__>(by hand)
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01:59<bignose>AgentC__: package xmail, would be the best way to not break the dependency system.
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01:59<jm_>AgentC__: look at equivs
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02:00<bignose>IMO if you're replacing system packages, do so by putting other correctly-packaged ones in their place. don't subvert the packaging system.
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02:00<bignose>(or use Gentoo.)
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02:04<Black_Prince>s/(or use Gentoo.)/(or use Linux From Scratch)
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02:11<AgentC>bignose: xmail is installed by hand, selfcompiled, that's a reason that it is not in aptitude-installed-database
02:11<AgentC>and the exim4-base package disturbing the xmail processing
02:11<AgentC>dunno why exim4-base was installed.
02:11<AgentC>result is, that php mail() functin does not work
02:12<bignose>AgentC: yes, my point is to package it if you want it to behave properly in the package system.
02:12<AgentC>sendmail (link to xmail) works
02:12<Black_Prince>AgentC, postfix also works with php mail()
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02:14<AgentC>dunno how that happend, it was working as i made a backup of that VPS, than a spammer abused my xmailserver, i restored that backup and since that day php mail() function does not work anymore, and sendmail link was linked to exim4 wonder why
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02:15<AgentC>Black_Prince: but only 1 mailer can access to pop3/smtp ports
02:17<AgentC>I Think it would be enough to remove that exim4-base package, but when i try - dpkg/aptitude wants to install another mailer
02:17<AgentC>how to manage this ?
02:17<Black_Prince>remove exim4-daemon-light first or whatever
02:18<AgentC>as result it wants to install another daemon in same step :-/
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02:18<Black_Prince>well, those programs provide a mta virtual package which seems to be depended on by some program
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02:44<AgentC>hmpf. kde hanged the cpu :(
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03:39<Helel>hi to everyone
03:39<Helel>I'm in pain with my wifi connection
03:40<Helel>I've got an ipad and I tried to share internet connection between my computer and my apple device
03:40<Helel>I create a bridge but it doesn't work at all
03:41<Helel>so I'm searching a different way to operate
03:41<Helel>if I ping (the ipad2)
03:41<Helel>it respond just if I create an ad-hoc connection without any type of bridge
03:42<Helel>it connect to wlan0
03:42<Helel>my computer with debian, with 2.4.39-2 pae in 686 platform
03:43<Helel>is connected at internet through cable
03:43<Helel>and I need to share the internet connection from eth0 to wlan0
03:44<Helel>eth0 is and it connect to my router that's and it is not wireless
03:44<Helel>someone can help me ? :-)
03:44<Helel>many thanks
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03:44<Fudgey>has anybody received any spam from a email?
03:45<Helel>yeah me but just in a non-gmail account
03:45<Helel>it's a fake address from a remailer
03:46<Helel>gmail drops and remove the emails of the ones that steal identities
03:46<Helel>think about it ;)
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03:47<Helel>however ... someone can help me for the question i've asked a little ago ?
03:47<Helel>pleaseeeee ...
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03:48<Fudgey>my mail was:
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03:49<Fudgey>i dont know about your question Helel sorry
03:49<Helel>don't worry
03:49<Helel>but are you sure its spam ?
03:50<Fudgey>no but i would suspect so
03:50<Helel>because Rupali B. is a developer of android
03:50<Fudgey>what is OSS?
03:50<Fudgey>anyone in here would know im not a programmer so perhaps he is misinformed
03:51<Helel>oss means open source software
03:51<Helel>of course :)
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03:51<Helel>maybe he's searching something else
03:51<Helel>that isn't a programmer
03:51<Helel>like a beta tester
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03:52<Helel>someone that's pleased to install android in his/her system
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03:53<Helel>and the only OS i work with are linux (only with Debian or Linux From Scratch based however on Debian minimal)
03:53<Helel>and ios 4.3.3 for the tablet
03:53<Helel>the ipad
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03:54<Helel>so I cannot be a beta tester for android (that is based on linux whatever ...)
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04:15<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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04:36<fosser_josh>hello hackers, i am configuring proxy server in my college network, i am trying to setup nat using iptable and i used these commands 1> "/sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" 2> "/sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT 3> "/sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT" but its not working. please help me
04:37<fosser_josh>even i changed net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1
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04:38<fosser_josh>i am using debian squezz
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04:56<shanet>Hey guys, I have 2 HDDs on my computer, and I require a password to mount the other one, however when I insert an external HDD it does not require a password? I guess this is because internal is connected via SATA and external via USB, however is there any way to make it so I do not need a password to mount the internal HDD?
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04:59<weasel>just always mount it? edit /etc/fstab
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05:21<shanet>weasel: I use the utility provided with debian. However it prompts me for a password.
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05:28<Fudgey>its your sudo or root password to grant permission, if as suggested you use /etc/fstab to mount at boot a hard drive which is always presnet it will be available with a password being needed.
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05:29<fosser_josh>hello hackers, i am configuring proxy server in my college network, i am trying to setup nat using iptable and i used these commands 1> "/sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" 2> "/sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT 3> "/sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT" but its not working. please help me
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05:33<diceroll>What kind of "permission" is granted to a user in the group : disk ?
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05:36<diceroll>cause maybe shanet can add his user to this group and avoid the password prompt... it s just an idea i dont really know what im talking about :)
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05:38<rpetre>diceroll: storage devices are made with disk gid, so they might access the disks directly. not sure if it's a good idea to grant that to users lightly
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05:42<rpetre>there's some udev->hal->dbus->pmount magic that can be done to allow regular users to mount usb drives, but i'm not very familiar with the toolset
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05:50<lorenzo>Hello, I have a problem with my server. Every 12/14 day it make a automatically reboot and I don't know why. Which is the log with wroten the last operation made bafore reboot?
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05:56<DistroJockey>lorenzo, /var/log/syslog.1 is probably worth a look
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05:58<fosser_josh>hello all
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05:58<fosser_josh>i am trying setup nat on debian 6 but its nt working
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05:59<fosser_josh>i run following commands
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05:59<fosser_josh>1) /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
05:59<fosser_josh>2) /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
06:00<fosser_josh>3) /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT
06:00<fosser_josh>please help me
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06:04<rpetre>fosser_josh: if your external interface is eth0, the internal is eth1, you have ip_forward on and there's no other firewall rules blocking, you should be good (for the usual values of "not working")
06:04<Fudgey>is there a pulseaudio dummy package?
06:05<fosser_josh>rpetre: i had unbled ip forwarding. how can disable other rules
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06:05<rpetre>fosser_josh: rule number one should also have -s or whatever network class you're using in the LAN, it might mess up your router's own connections
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06:08<fosser_josh>rpetre: i had enabled ip forwarding
06:09<fosser_josh>rpetre: my net got disconnected can u tell me set of instructions again if i missed any thing
06:09<rpetre>fosser_josh: in this case, you may want to investigate better how it's not working and provide more details
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06:11<fosser_josh>rpetre: when i am trying to access from internal network say from then it says host not found, but on server i can access internet or
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06:12<rpetre>what nameserver is using?
06:13<rpetre>please try a traceroute to a numeric ip
06:13<fosser_josh>well i kept network on dhcp
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06:14<fosser_josh>so in /etc/hosts i dnt find any nameserver its just a localhost entries are der
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06:15<rpetre>you may want to find a networking tutorial and follow it with a bit more attention, there are some steps you skipped
06:16<Rehnquist>hi peeps, i'm trying to set up a home irc server on squeeze, are there any good tools/guides out there?
06:16<weasel>(make it stop hurt)
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06:16<fosser_josh>rpetre: i can ping from to but cant ping to
06:16<fosser_josh>this is the problem
06:16<rpetre>fosser_josh: and please don't message people in private, it's considered impolite
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06:17<bernat>Rehnquist: install an irc daemon package and I guess that's almost everything you have to do, and read the readme
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06:19<rpetre>the problem is you started dhcp without making sure your routing/nat works, that your name resolution is uncertain and that you're extremely unfamiliar with the whole process. take it slow and one step at a time, then come ask if you have specific problems
06:19<weasel>and listen to people and try what they ask you to try.
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06:25<fosser_josh>rpetre: i tried this manual
06:25<Fudgey>Rehnquist what ircd pacakge
06:25<fosser_josh>for nat settings
06:26<rpetre>from the "make it stop hurt" department, i've been trying to get urxvt to display fonts the same as gtk with no succes. are there some font magicks i need to do to make them crisper?
06:29<fosser_josh>rpetre: what else u need information so that u can porperly help me to find out soution
06:30<rpetre>fosser_josh: you need to learn a bit more about networking, because copy-pasting commands will be unlikely to help
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06:32<rpetre>if you can't find someone to teach you, try reading (just the concepts, don't try the commands there since they're too generic and mostly obsolete)
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06:32<rpetre>and come back when you think you can isolate the individual components (IP, routing, firewall, name resolution)
06:33<rpetre>otherwise we'll just keep guessing and a solution you'll happen to stumble upon won't last long
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06:37<fosser_josh>this is my network interface file
06:38<fosser_josh>i had enabled ip forwarding on server
06:39<fosser_josh>i done it before it was working
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06:39<fosser_josh>but now i dont know what happend this time
06:39<fosser_josh>stucking into setting up iptables
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06:41<fosser_josh>i tried to setup these rules
06:41<fosser_josh>after setting up its nt working
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06:42<dattebayo>how can i change Splash-Screen?
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06:45<joar>dattebayo Splash-Screen for gnome ? kde ? or the boot splash screen ?
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06:52<gnugr>dattebayo: through your startup-manager disable splash screen themes
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07:15<zalaey>where'd dselect go?
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07:15<themill>!slap zalaey
07:15*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across zalaey's face
07:15<themill>zalaey: dpkg came back from holiday so dselect is sulking because he's now unloved
07:16<zalaey>themill: but i like talking to dselect more ;p
07:16<abrotman>no one really likes talking to dselect ...
07:16<zalaey>themill: yeahi noticed, signed off with ouch that hurt
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07:18<debianbest>how can I set up my system to carry out some commands everytime the system shuts down? (i.e. like rc.local for shutting down instead of for booting up)
07:20<abrotman>debianbest: ask #ubuntu on
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07:20<debianbest>abrotman: in ubuntu they don't answer debian related questions
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07:21<abrotman>debianbest: --> debianbest ( has joined #debian .. you sure oyu're not using ubuntu ?
07:21<streuner_>debianbest: why do you use a ubuntu live CD? :-)
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07:22<bernat>silly assumption
07:22<debianbest>abrotman: I am using ubuntu on this computer, but intend to do that in other computer that's using debian
07:22<abrotman>not silly, but an assumption
07:22<debianbest>streuner_: why do you think I am using a live CD?
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07:23<abrotman>debianbest: you create a script, place it in /etc/init.d/ then link to it from /etc/rc0.d/ and/or /etc/rc6.d/ .. have a nice day!
07:23<debianbest>abrotman: why didn't they include an easier way such as the rc.local thing?
07:23<babilen>!tell debianbest -about init script
07:23<zalaey>when debian install broke earlier and i was looking why i used a gentoo live cd on a usb since it fits non my usb driver
07:24<abrotman>debianbest: an init script is easy
07:24<debianbest>babilen: thank you :)
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07:25<debianbest>abrotman: the difficult thing is following the protocol (i.e. make it compliant to the constraints defined to design it)
07:25<abrotman>i suppose ..
07:25<debianbest>abrotman: I mean, including those headers and all that and respecting the order (the numbers of the script is that which confuses me)
07:25<abrotman>!lsb tags
07:25<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, Debian is using a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires that all init scripts have appropriate headers in them so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from Sarge and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added:
07:25<themill>debianbest: machines are probably more likely to go down because of unexpected problems (power failures, crashes whatever) so actually requiring something to happen on shutdown is a problem. You normally deal with things on next start-up instead.
07:25<babilen>debianbest: Just base it on the skeleton and make sure you get the lsb tags right. Not that hard, but something to keep in mind.
07:26<abrotman>good practice anyway!
07:26<babilen>debianbest: What is it you want to do?
07:26<zalaey>was really annoying actually i couldn't log in as anyone. on any of the linux installs on the computer.
07:26<debianbest>dpkg: that's what I am talking about, I get lost when it comes to all that headers thing
07:26<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, debianbest
07:27<zalaey>debianbest: dpkg i sa bot you can ask things of
07:27<babilen>debianbest: dpkg is a bot, there is not point in trying to have a meaningful conversation with it.
07:27<zalaey>debianbest: try /msg dpkg random_key_word
07:27<abrotman>babilen: untrue!
07:27<babilen>abrotman: ;-D
07:27<abrotman>dpkg: marry me
07:27<dpkg>but I've been playing The Sims all day, and I've finally got enough friendship points to propose to someone else...
07:27<debianbest>okay, I'll need some time to get used to how this channel works. Please, have some patience with me (you'll need it)
07:28<babilen>Anyway, what are you *really* trying to achieve, debianbest? If we knew that we might be able to give better advice. It might just be that you are solving a xy problem ...
07:29<lipfi>hey guys, does anyone know if there is a way to have 2 ethernet devices in the same subnet but with 2 different hostnames? are there any keywords i should look up?
07:29<debianbest>babilen: nevermind, I just want to have a good methodology in order to achieve a set of eventual {xy's} that would profit from executing at shutdown
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07:30<babilen>debianbest: That sentence contained almost no useful information :)
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07:30<abrotman>babilen: "good methodology" :)
07:30<babilen>lipfi: Different IPs?
07:30<debianbest>babilen: what I am really trying to tell you is that there's no specific xy , xy could be a number of things that I might eventually need. To sum up, xy is an undefined variable at this moment, right? :)
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07:31<abrotman>lipfi: eh .. why would you do that? why not give the same hostname to the same device?
07:31<themill>debianbest: you don't worry about the numbering, just on what the script depends on
07:31<debianbest>abrotman: I could say "good modus operandi" if you prefer :)
07:31<abrotman>erm .. two hostnames to the same device
07:31<lipfi>jepp, i want to create 3 hosts out of one with ethernet devices, is this possible?
07:31<abrotman>debianbest: makes you sound a bit .. criminal :)
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07:32<debianbest>abrotman: would it be okay if I had said "method" instead of "methodology"? xD
07:32<abrotman>methodology was fine
07:32<abrotman>debianbest: but what themill said may have more value to you .. you can't always count on a graceful shutdown ..
07:33<babilen>lipfi: Why? It is one host :) -- Is this not better handled by, for example, VirtualHosts in apache, or whatever you are actually trying to achieve.
07:33<babilen>debianbest: All I am saying is that it is hard to *really* help you if you don't tell us what you actually want to do.
07:33<debianbest>abrotman: 95% of the time I shutdown the PC myself (i.e. no hangup), so that's not really gonna be a problem, depending on what you are trying to achieve
07:34<themill>(actually, "methodology" is not fine; "method" would be fine)
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07:34<abrotman>themill == grammar terrorist!
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07:34<debianbest>babilen: to give you an example, I might want to invoke tar to do something everytime the PC is shut down
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07:35<babilen>debianbest: Whatfor?
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07:35<debianbest>babilen: that doesn't really matter, nor is it pertinent to the problem
07:35<babilen>That sounds like an incredibly bad idea, but please continue
07:35<babilen>debianbest: How so?
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07:35<themill>debianbest: irc doesn't deal with hypotheticals. Please ask concrete questions so you can get concrete answers.
07:36<dpkg>[xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See or
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07:36<babilen>debianbest: I think that the best help can be provided if your discourse partner actually understands what you are trying to achieve.
07:36<lipfi>babilen: i want the network to believe there are 3 individual boxes, bec. i have to book 3 ip's fro the network admin :-)
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07:36<babilen>themill: thank you, I was about to invoke to too
07:36<babilen>lipfi: Assign three different IPs to the three devices then?
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07:36<abrotman>lipfi: you can give three IPs to one device
07:37<babilen>Or that ...
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07:37<abrotman>or three hostnames to one system
07:37<babilen>lipfi: But I understand that you actually have more than one NIC in the box, or did I misunderstood that?
07:38<lipfi>abortman: so just setting up 3 ips and adding them to /etc/host will fit?
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07:38<debianbest>I disagree with that. If someone tells that he wants to execute tar at shutdown, it really does not matter all the "what for's", "why's" or whether "it is a good/bad idea". You just find a method to accomplish that (i.e. the execution of xy - or tar or whatever -). The solution to the problem doesn't depend on all the other questions you have raised. I hate to sound just as if I were dpkg's husband, but this is how I view things
07:38<abrotman>lipfi: i assume you have some internal DNS or something? or resolving via netbios?
07:38<lipfi>babilen: jeah i have 3 nics
07:39<babilen>lipfi: Give them all a different IP and configure your DNS in such a way that the hostnames associated with the IPs differ.
07:39<themill>debianbest: executing tar at shutdown would be a bad plan for a lot of reasons and we would try to offer better options for you instead. That's the way we view things.
07:40<debianbest>themill: if your life doesn't depend on the 5% of the time your system shuts down inappropiatedly , it might not be such a bad idea
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07:41<zeus>Hi all, i'm under squeeze and i'm running a little postfix + spamassassin server. i'd like to write a rule to raise spam score (+2.0) to all email coming from vsmtp[0-9]* I've added this rule "header TIN_DESPAM Received =~ /\bvsmtp[0-9]*\b/i" to /etc/mail/spamassassin/ but it seems spamassassin is ignoring this rule. Can anyone help me please?
07:41<babilen>debianbest: What do you plan to tar during the shutdown and what will you use it for?
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07:41<themill>debianbest: 5%? you're doing well. I think I've probably only cleanly shut down a linux machine a handful of times in the last few years. Normally they run till the go bang.
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07:43<debianbest>themill: I shutdown my PC everytime I go to bed
07:43<debianbest>babilen: I already answered your question
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07:43<Skills_>same here dude
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07:44<themill>debianbest: anyway, context will let us help; I can't be bothered fighting with you to try to understand what you're doing any more so do enjoy reading the information on lsb tags for init scripts yourself.
07:44<Skills_>hey a quest. to u ppl
07:45<Skills_>when using IRC how to hide u r IP address
07:45<debianbest>themill: that's what I am doing right now (i.e. printing what dpkg asked me to read)
07:45<babilen>debianbest: I give up, have a nice day and good luck!
07:45<debianbest>babilen: I hope you don't get angry at me. I think you've been of good help, I am printing the documents you requested dpkg to highlight
07:45<lipfi>babilen: the main idea is the following: we have a small research room at university and need the admin to believe that there are 3 desktop pcs in order to get ips allocated :-)
07:46<themill>Skills_: you might like to ask in #oftc or in #backtrack-linux on (or in #ubuntu on, which ever is more appropriate)
07:46<Skills_>ok dude thnks
07:47<debianbest>themill: given the generic nature of Skills_'s question, why would it be more appropiate at #ubunto than at #debian ?
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07:47<babilen>lipfi: Well, you have three NICs -- either assign different IPs or send out DHCP requests with different/no hostname. Is the admin not cooperative?
07:47<themill>debianbest: because he's not running debian...
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07:48<debianbest>themill: and do you think such a fact implies that whatever he is trying to achieve is going to have a different solution in ubuntu as compared to debian?¿
07:49<themill>debianbest: can we not go through this? this network does not offer cloaks, freenode does and #ubuntu, which will provide him with ubuntu support will be able to help him. In fact, I'd put money on him running some crappy leet hacker derivative of ubuntu ...
07:50<lipfi>babilen: we already have one ip and need 2 more for our netbooks, there is no wlan in this part of the building. we don not have the netbooks here right now
07:50<babilen>debianbest: No, but it means that the question is off-topic in here *even* if (s)he were asking about an administration problem.
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07:51<babilen>lipfi: Ah, you basically want to hand out addresses to your netbooks from your own machine?
07:51<zalaey> anyone happen to know what package would contain scanpci?
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07:51<babilen>lipfi: Can't you just give them addresses yourself and route the traffic through the machine that is "officially" connected?
07:52<babilen>lipfi: Are the netbooks connection wirelessly to the "router" or wired? If the latter: why can't they request addresses themselves?
07:53<lipfi>babilen: no, we want the admin to believe there are 3 hosts totay. he wants to avoid that people request for ips they dont need.
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07:54<babilen>lipfi: Why can't you request three addresses? One for each NIC?
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07:55<lipfi>babilen: ok, so this is possible? :-)
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07:57<lipfi>babilen: thx alot the solution was so easy ;D
07:57<jak0>i have a problem usin the facebook plugin for pidgin
07:58<jak0>i have squeeze
07:58<jak0>i installed the plugin for pidgin and it doesnt work properly
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08:02<abrotman>jak0: don't use it .. setup the XMPP stuff instead
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08:03<abrotman>jak0: that fb plugin is buggy as hell
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08:05<abrotman>jak0: did you choose a username for facebook?
08:05<abrotman>like ? or whatever it might be?
08:05<jak0>yes i know it and im trying to eneble
08:06<jak0>ok now it is working... thx
08:06<abrotman>okay ...
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08:09<jak0>i have another problem with debian updates.... when i update the os i get sometimes a bot error
08:09<abrotman>a bot error?
08:09<jak0>and it doesnt start at all
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08:10<jak0>like an exception or somthing
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08:10<abrotman>we'd hve to know what it says
08:10<jak0>i have an old comuter..
08:10<jak0>a p4
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08:11<abrotman>still have to know what it says
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08:11<jak0>at this time im disabling the security updates
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08:11<abrotman>that's not good
08:12<jak0>i know..
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08:13<jak0>how can i fread the error messege, it is impossible!
08:14<jak0>i just can understand little
08:14<jak0>or nothing
08:14<jak0>the beast option is not to uipdate
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08:18<heinvd>I would like to thank you guys, abrotman and you that guided me to get my mail server working
08:18<heinvd>much appeciate
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08:19<abrotman>we who wha?
08:19<abrotman>oh, the sasl guy!
08:19<heinvd>thanks for the help
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08:19<heinvd>i have a new problem i cant sort... lol
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08:20<heinvd>I have 2 websites on my server
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08:20<heinvd>both is set up identically, 1 works and the other doesnt
08:20<abrotman>same websites?
08:20<heinvd>i can ping 1 but the other not
08:20<heinvd>no different websites
08:21<heinvd>one located in /var/www/site1 and one in /var/www/site2
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08:21<heinvd>site1 works
08:21<heinvd>site 2 not
08:21<heinvd>i then tried setting up site3
08:21<heinvd>also not working
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08:22<Bushmills>"can't ping one" .. they both resolve to the same ip address, assuming you're using one address for both web hosts?
08:22<heinvd>true, yes
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08:22<abrotman>so NameBased VirtualHosts?
08:22<heinvd>that's it
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08:23<Bushmills>they actually do, of they are meant to do?
08:23<heinvd>i have a default file in /etc/apache2/sites-available
08:23<heinvd>they are set-up there
08:23<heinvd>using a2ensite and a2dissite
08:24<heinvd>my apache2.conf includes /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
08:24<Bushmills>seems he's not into answering questions
08:24<heinvd>and if i look at the 000-default a2ensite creates there, its identical to the other
08:24<Bushmills>oh well
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08:25<abrotman>heinvd: is this a public server that we can attempt to contact?
08:25<heinvd>bushmills: yes, both sites, 1 ip
08:25<heinvd>its public, yes
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08:25<jm_>i thought the idea was to create individual files in /etc/apache2/sites-available and a2ensite then symlinks to that
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08:26<Bushmills>"they both resolve to the same ip address?" "they actually do, of they are meant to do?" have you tested?
08:26<heinvd>jm_: i done that initially... then reverted back to 1 config file for the vhosts
08:26<abrotman>jm_: it is
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08:26<heinvd>bushmills: they meant to... but only site1 does
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08:27<Bushmills>so don't bother about your web server. see that the other host name resolved to your ip address first
08:28<heinvd>bushmills: i have site 2 setup in the dns server same as site 1.... but still it does not resolve...
08:28<heinvd>done the same with site 3 , also with no luck
08:29<Bushmills>yes, that's why i suggested to fix that first
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08:29<Bushmills>and it's not a matter of luck, but of configuration
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08:30<heinvd>bushmills: lol.... true that...
08:30<heinvd>to give me some direction, where can i start looking for the error?
08:31<Bushmills>name server setup. zone file. or, a cached negative in your resolver.
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08:32<Kolt>Hi! How do I enable 3d acceleration ?
08:32<abrotman>in what, with what?
08:33<Kolt>debian. I dunno. I just cannot run openGL apps due to 'segmentation fault'
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08:33<Kolt>I have an ATI mobility radeon x700 using 'radeon' driver
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08:34<Kolt>I think so
08:34<rpetre>heinvd: dig +trace is a wonderful tool ;)
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08:35<heinvd>great... i dont have dig or trace installed
08:36<heinvd>those zone files are located in /etc/bind right?
08:36<Bushmills>they are located where you bind configuration specifies them to be
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08:46<heinvd>i pasted my entry for the domain that does not work in
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08:48<heinvd>that gets created by Hetzner using the server robot login
08:50<damie>I've tried installing php-mysql but will not install because I have php-common version squeeze3 and not squeeze1 how do I solve this problem ?
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08:51<vmassuchetto>I need some environment variables set for the scripts being run by the crontab. Where's the right place to set them?
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08:52<jm_>damie: do you have security in sources.lists?
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08:52<abrotman>vmassuchetto: in the script itself?
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08:53<jm_>vmassuchetto: you can set them in the crontab files
08:53<billy_e>hello, can someone please help me with installing aircrack-ng?
08:53<vmassuchetto>abrotman, python scripts cant set some environment variables
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08:53<vmassuchetto>vmassuchetto, like, just before the script i want to get those variables?
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08:54<jm_>vmassuchetto: talking to yourself? man 5 crontab
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08:54<vmassuchetto>jm_, yeah... ridiculous... =)
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09:06<ustunozgur>Is there a way to tell dpkg to install dependencies for a custom .deb file, like gdebi does?
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09:07<themill>ustunozgur: "dpkg -i foo.deb; apt-get -f install"
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09:07<Kolt>Hi! I have a sound problem. I have no sound from the headphone jack. When I plug the headphones the speakers mute and there's no sound.
09:07<themill>(or use gdebi)
09:07<ustunozgur>themill: ah, thanks, nice trick
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09:08<ustunozgur>The reason I hesitated using gdebi was gdebi doesn't come preinstalled, I guess
09:08<themill>ustunozgur: note that this approach doesn't verify that the dependencies are actually available prior to unpacking the package. i.e. you can make mess that is fun to clean up later.
09:08<themill>ustunozgur: using apt is a much better solution
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09:09<ustunozgur>hmm, ok in that case I should use something like deb file:/path/to/file unstable main contrib non-free in my apt repo list, right?
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09:10<themill>dpkg: tell ustunozgur about own repo
09:11*gnugr wonders why should use unstable repos for no reason
09:11<ustunozgur>themill: OK, thank you.
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09:14<ustunozgur>Is there an advantage to signing custom packages if it's for internal use?
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09:20<vidkun>i want to get rid of the synaptic packet manager cause it's buggy as hell, but when i tried purging it apt-get also wanted to kill gnome, which i certainly do not want to do...suggestions?
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09:24<themill>vidkun: you need to mark the bits of gnome you want to keep as being "manually installed". aptitude unmarkauto '~R^gnome$' '~RRecommends:^gnome$'; aptitude remove synaptic
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09:27<gnugr>vidkum: why you should remove it? synapric manager is to warn you about mess you did with sources.list
09:27<vidkun>themill: hm, tried that but apt still wants to remove gnome
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09:28<vidkun>gnugr: synaptic is no longer in agreement with apt about which packages to install, it also crashes
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09:28<gnugr>ok if it craches, sorry
09:29<rpetre>vidkun: otoh, you can just not use it :)
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09:29<Bushmills>vidkun: gnome is just a meta package. no real loss if that gets removed lest you keep the package it depends on
09:29<vidkun>rpetre: it's popping up an annoying notification by default about 3 packages it wants to install
09:30<rpetre>vidkun: that's not synaptic
09:30<rpetre>it's update-notifier
09:30<dpkg>i guess aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see or
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09:30<rpetre>and it's a bit stupid, indeed
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09:30<vidkun>rpetre: so i should kill update-notifier instead?
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09:31<vidkun>and that wouldn't break anything essential?
09:32<rpetre>it's just a reporting utility
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09:32<Bushmills>even the while of gnome desktop environment is not considerd "essential" :D
09:32<rpetre>at worst you won't get periodic package refreshes
09:32<ricardocopano>i good morning
09:32<ricardocopano>i need a help
09:33<Bushmills>medical attention?
09:33<Bushmills>ambulance coming
09:33<babilen>ricardocopano: What is your problem?
09:33<vidkun>update-notifier was easier to get rid of, thanks
09:33<ricardocopano>i´m try configure domain server... server's role (logon server) conflicts with share-level
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09:34<themill>vidkun: sounds like what you really need to do is to convince apt to be more happy...
09:34<Bushmills>logon server? share level?
09:34<Bushmills>sounds very microsoftish
09:35<rpetre>themill: if you're happy and you know it, dpkg --configure -a !
09:35<themill>*clap* *clap*
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09:36<Bushmills>do you also have a debian related question?
09:37<ricardocopano>i´m try configure domain server in debian
09:37<dpkg>Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). Documentation resources: , . Backported packages available, ask me about <bdo>. #samba on See also <swat>, <dfs>.
09:37<dpkg>WINS is the Windows Internet Name Service, Microsoft's implementation of NetBIOS Name Service. For a WINS implementation on Unix-like systems, ask me about <samba>.
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09:38<ricardocopano>ok thanks
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09:40<ricardocopano>nobody in chanel #samba
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09:40<themill>ricardocopano: wrong network
09:41<themill>ricardocopano: #samba is on; this is
09:41<ricardocopano>i need configure a domain server, somebody help?
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09:43<gnugr>ricardocopano: you need, apache2, mysql-server-5.1 , phpmyadmin and server is ready!!!!
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09:45<fla>I need to run a program wich requires a higer version of than the one installed on my system. Is there any way i can have two lib version installed without breaking everything ?
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09:45<lifulinghan>hello anyone
09:46<abrotman>fla: not generally
09:46<abrotman>fla: which libc6 do you have, which does it want?
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09:46<lifulinghan>sorry for my english ,my mean is all of people that at xchat
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09:47<fla>abrotman: system has 2.3, progra, needs 2.9. Is there any trick ?
09:47<fla>maybe force a special load_library path for my program ?
09:47<themill>fla: upgrade to lenny and then to squeeze (running a supported release is always nice too)
09:48<abrotman>wtf version of Debian is that?
09:48<abrotman>really? etch?
09:48<themill>etch had 2.3.mumble
09:48<fla>themill, it's a special embed system, I can't update
09:48<lifulinghan>could me see your code?
09:48<abrotman>see your code?
09:49<fla>I'm really looking for a way to tell a program to load libraries from a specific path
09:49<AzaToth>I've got an question regarding rsyslog, I notice in rsyslog.conf selector-action like "kern.* -/var/log/kern.log", though I can't find in man rsyslog.conf anything defining the meaning of that dash before the filename; Do anyone of yee know what the purpose of the dash is?
09:49<abrotman>fla: your version of Debian hasn't had support in like three years .. why haven't you upgraded yet?
09:50<fla>it's a proprietary system based on debian, not made by me
09:50<fla>all i have is a program and a root shell
09:51<AzaToth>My direct suspicion is that the lone dash makes rsyslog output in both syslog and in the file given; Or am I wrong here?
09:51<AzaToth>(perhaps it's the other way around)
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09:52<abrotman>fla: but you want to mess it up with a random libc6?
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09:53*AzaToth glares towards themill...
09:53*themill glares back
09:53<babilen>fla: And you can not upgrade it to a later version? Does the vendor provide support for it? Can you run a chroot on that device (i.e. do you have enough disk space) ?
09:53<fla>abrotman: only for that single program that I need to run
09:53<abrotman>and you can't run it on a real server .. why?
09:53<AzaToth>themill: did my question make any sense?
09:54<fla>it's an embed device
09:54<babilen>fla: And it has to run on your severely outdated system? What is this program and what is the embedded system? Don't you have a different box you can run it on?
09:54<fla>running on arm cpu
09:54<themill>AzaToth: I'm actually just walking out the door of the office...
09:54<fla>unfortunately no :/
09:54<babilen>fla: Why is that? (all my questions)
09:54<AzaToth>themill: excuse :-P
09:56<fla>babilen: it shoud be able to chroot. its this device
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09:56<fla>its a media player used for digital signage
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09:58<babilen>fla: And you are sure that you can not upgrade it to a *supported* version of Debian? Have you talked to the vendor? Is this by any chance connected to the internet? (if so → security risk)
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09:58<babilen>fla: Well, run your program in a chroot or try to recompile it against the libc6 version on that box.
09:58<alazare619>ok im trying to install firefox 5.01 from linux mint repos into debian any help guys it installs it to opt but it wont launch no matter what i do
09:58<babilen>fla: deboostrap will come in handy for that -- /msg dpkg debootstrap
09:58<fla>actually, the device has the latest vendor release
09:59<babilen>alazare619: Why do you want to use the linux mint repositories and why do you think we would support that?
09:59<babilen>alazare619: do you know about ?
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09:59<fla>bablient, will look at it, thanks
09:59<fla>babilen, sry
09:59<alazare619>babilen, because thats the only repository with firefox so synaptic keeps it updated?
09:59<rpetre>fla: my oppinion is to virtualize it and manage it as a separate server with tighter security controls
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10:00<alazare619>babilen, and its a debian repository
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10:00<babilen>fla: Pro tip: Try "bab<TAB>" in your IRC client ;) -- I would talk to the vendor. They are doing something wrong and should be made aware of that.
10:00<fla>yeah, figer ripped ;)
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10:00<babilen>alazare619: iceweasel is available in all versions of Debian.
10:01<fla>yeah I keep telling them, but they are stubborn
10:01<alazare619>babilen, iceweasel isnt supported on some sites
10:01<babilen>alazare619: Change the user agent in that case
10:01<alazare619>babilen, tried
10:01<alazare619>babilen, google+ catches it instantly
10:03<babilen>alazare619: Works fine here (IW 4.0.1)
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10:03<babilen>alazare619: Still, using the mint repos is definitely the wrong thing to do. If you want FF you can download it from mozilla and "install" it to /opt or in your ~
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10:04<rpetre>g+ works with m.d.n's iceweasel just fine
10:04<alazare619>babilen, but then synaptic wont keep it updated urrrr
10:04<rpetre>i'm using it on both stable and testing
10:05<alazare619>rpetre, m.d.n's?
10:05<alazare619>rpetre, whats
10:05<babilen>alazare619: I already linked you to that site -- Did you have a look?
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10:06<babilen>alazare619: It is the repository for newer IW versions from the Debian's mozilla team
10:06<alazare619>babilen, didnt see it
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10:07<alazare619>babilen, hmm looking at it now
10:07<babilen>alazare619: Please also read
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10:09<alazare619>babilen, so that is more or less the official iceweasel repo?
10:10<alazare619>babilen, is "RELEASE" the current debian build or is that the current firefox build?
10:10<babilen>alazare619: It is *not* part of any Debian release or branch, but it is maintained by the same team as IW in Debian.
10:10<MrFrood>release is 5.0
10:10<babilen>alazare619: Read the blog -- it is explained there.
10:10<alazare619>babilen, reading it now
10:10<babilen>alazare619: "Currently, that channel contains Iceweasel 5.0, but as soon as 6.0 is released, that’s what the “release” channel will contain."
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10:11<alazare619>babilen, yea i see that whatever is release with mozilla is release with them makes sense and that gives them awhile to get all the bugs worked out before the next stable debian
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10:14<rpetre>alazare619: release will track whatever mozilla considers the current release. or that's how i understood it (and use it)
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10:15<rpetre>the gentleman maintaining that repo is iceweasel maintainer in debian as well, afaik, so i'd expect it to play nice
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10:29<alazare619>i really kinda feal bad knowing that all users of ubuntu never really taste how light and nimble debian really honestly suprised at how much more responsive it is and just better then ubuntu...
10:30<lindi->alazare619: how do you measure that?
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10:30<Boss_227>Ciao at all
10:30<alazare619>lindi-, for like every 10 users of ubuntu maybe 1 will try out debian
10:31<lindi->alazare619: sure but I mean how do you measure responsiveness?
10:31<MrFrood>alazare619: linux is about choice
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10:33<alazare619>lindi-, honestly i measure it by in general boot times, processor usage when idle, time it takes to open a certain program when all other variables are the same, and running a prime test i get better results too
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10:33<lindi->alazare619: that sounds very odd
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10:33<lindi->alazare619: would be interesting if you could find out the cause
10:34<fnmueller>alazare619: well, it's not like debian is in competition with $distro for users. Who cares about ubuntu, esp. those users? (which is OT, I know, there I shut up in this # for now)
10:34<fnmueller>and from a technical standpoint, lindi- is correct
10:34<lindi->I'm surely all for making debian more usable for my friends :)
10:35<alazare619>fnmueller, idk why but you would figure something that is based off something would be better but its just not necessarly the true, i just cant figure out why but all the numbers are better...
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10:35<lindi->so it's not competing with some other distro for me, it's improving debian
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10:36<lindi->alazare619: what prime test did you use?
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10:36<lindi->alazare619: and yes, let's drop to #debian-offtopic please
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10:50<checoimg>alazare619, you think so alazare
10:50<checoimg>alazare619, i have thought of using debian
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10:51<checoimg>alazare619, i have mint to test it
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10:56<crmbl>why can a chroot access locations outside the chrooted environment? The chroot is /sid, I did "schroot -c /sid -p -- wine /install.exe" and wine did the following: "wine: created the configuration directory '/home/user/.wine'" outside the chroot. How can that be?
10:56<abrotman>dpkg: tell checoimg about netinst
10:57<scardinal>crmbl: you are sure it hasn't created a /home/user in your chroot env ?
10:58<alazare619>stupid ting wont let me upgrade to iceweasel 5.0 cause some other dependency is at 2 low of a version number
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10:58<weasel>schroot probably bind mounts /home
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10:59<crmbl>scardinal, /home inside the chroot is empty
10:59<alazare619>yea abrotman xulrunner 5.0 wont update
10:59<crmbl>weasel, I am not sure
10:59<abrotman>alazare619: i'd have to see your sources.list and the error
10:59<alazare619> Depends: libcairo2 (>=1.10.2-1.1~bpo60+1) but 1.8.10-6 is to be installed
10:59<crmbl>weasel, the chrooted fstab is empty
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11:00<abrotman>alazare619: i'd have to see your sources.list and the error
11:01<abrotman>in a pastebin
11:01<abrotman>alazare619: don't forget to aptitude update before installing
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11:01<crmbl>how do I just forbid the schrooted system to access any files in any way outside the chroot, something that I thought was the principle of chrooting...
11:01<weasel>it doesn't access anything outside the chroot.
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11:02<weasel>and you're not using chroot, you are using schroot.
11:02<crmbl>weasel, it actually did as I posted above about the .wine config dir
11:02<weasel>which by default bind mounts /home into the chroot.
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11:02<weasel>it did that in /sid/home/user
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11:04<crmbl>weasel, /etc/fstab and /home are empty. Where is the bind-mount defined you told me about?
11:04<weasel>probably somewhere under /etc/schroot
11:05<abrotman>alazare619: i said before, Crunchband is NOT Debian, and not supported here, try #crunchbang-linux on, or ask me how to install Debian
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11:06<abrotman>ugh, and mixing in Mint packages .. that can't be good
11:06<abrotman>dpkg: tell alazare619 about netinst
11:07<abrotman>"We'll take some Ford parts, some VW parts, some Toyota parts .. and we have a car .. that goes nowhere"
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11:07<crmbl>weasel, in /etc/schroot/mount-defaults file systems are somehow bind-mounted on themselves... /proc on /proc, /sys on /sys and the same for /dev, /dev/pts /home and /tmp
11:07<weasel>you are using schroot.
11:07<weasel>maybe you should go and read its documentation
11:08<crmbl>weasel, ah got it. Sorry
11:08<crmbl>weasel, mount points are prefixed by the chroot path so all the stuff makes sense now
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11:08<crmbl>weasel, thanks for assistance :)
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11:13<alazare619>can someone copy all the debian repositorys on a stock install?
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11:17<abrotman>alazare619: i said before, Crunchband is NOT Debian, and not supported here, try #crunchbang-linux on, or ask me how to install Debian
11:17<abrotman>alazare619: you're going to end up banned .. either instlal Debian or get support in the correct place (this isn't it)
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11:18<alazare619>abrotman, i just asked for a stock source list as im trying something here
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11:38<shiloh25>can anyone assist me with an error
11:38<shiloh25> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
11:38<shiloh25>im unable to find lib4 in the repos
11:40<bernat>package libcurl3
11:40<shiloh25>found it
11:41<raboof>next time: apt-file search
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11:41<shiloh25>ahhhh, tyvm raboof
11:41<raboof>or use the web interface at
11:41<raboof>packages, sorry
11:42<shiloh25>wow, oks pen and paper, :-)
11:42<shiloh25>this has got to be the best learning distro in the world
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12:47<diatribe>my new wheezy installation has a CUPS server that expects a username and password but when i enter my main username and password i get "forbidden" and it refuses to let me try any more access to the /admin section of the CUPS server... any other login attempts are declined (there is no root user on this system)... i tried adding CUPS users and logging in with those names and passwords and they failed... information at's FAQ d
12:47<diatribe>oesn't help... so how do i access the admin section of a new CUPS installation (what is the right username and password or how do i tell CUPS what the right one is)??? thanks
12:48<bernat>no root? why?
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12:49<diatribe>no root user so there isn't an account called 'root' for some attacker to find... is it necessary for solving this problem?
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12:50<retrospectacus>the cups login is root and root's pw.
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12:50<stealthboy> hi all how do you compile wine
12:51<retrospectacus>stealthboy: why, there are precompiled releases
12:51<retrospectacus>apt-get install wine
12:51<stealthboy>no i mean like manual
12:52<stealthboy>debian i need wine on
12:52<retrospectacus>I know what you mean, I'm telling you you don't have to
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12:52<stealthboy>but if so how
12:52<dpkg>Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: . The beta Wine packages from are not supported in #debian. #winehq on See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries.
12:53<stealthboy>look how if so give link then i will be on my way
12:53<retrospectacus>stealthboy: well you download the source and apt-get install build-essential and type something like ./configure && make
12:53<stealthboy>link please
12:54<stealthboy>it get it
12:54<retrospectacus>no you don't
12:54<bernat>you don't know how to download it and you will compile it?
12:54<abrotman>what's wrong with the Debian wine package?
12:54<stealthboy>old out of date
12:54<abrotman>stealthboy: then go to and figure out how to compile it ..
12:55<abrotman>they have lovely docs
12:55<abrotman>in english even!
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12:56<stealthboy>thank you i last ask of all of you which is better linux distro for gaming
12:56<retrospectacus>wineHQ also provides a line for sources.list where you can get newer versions
12:57<stealthboy>but which is the best linux distro for gaming
12:57<abrotman>stealthboy: which distro are you using now?
12:58<stealthboy>ubuntu for support at moment
12:58<diatribe>retrospectacus: is there a way via terminal to tell CUPS to allow a non-root user access?
12:58<abrotman>why are you asking #debian for help?
12:58<stealthboy>well i just want to see if you will say debian or something else for gaming
12:58<retrospectacus>diatribe: don't know
12:59<retrospectacus>stealthboy: read some phoronix articles, they are the source for linux gaming info
13:00<diatribe>abrotman: were you asking that of me? if so, i'm running debian and i don't see a cups channel
13:00<stealthboy>about my last question my freind uses debian and i want to see if it is any good for gaming but he is having a hell of a time with wine i sayed i will ask you guys for help with wine compiling so here i am
13:01<abrotman>diatribe: nope
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13:01<abrotman>and then he runs off
13:01<retrospectacus>someone needed to tell him that wine is not "Linux gaming"
13:02<diatribe>i'm sure he knows it... if not he'll figure it out
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13:03<diatribe>so, if i installed debian without a root user can i add it back in and have it behave like a normal root user?
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13:04<abrotman>retrospectacus: be better if it didn't matter which OS you were on .. oh well
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13:06<diatribe>i figure whichever os is better at low latency video handling....
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13:08<retrospectacus>need more games built on this engine methinks
13:08<retrospectacus>was checking out some videos of Oilrush - good graphics
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13:09<retrospectacus>unfortunately I think you need a license to develop on that engine
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13:18<Katterin>Hi all..
13:18<Katterin>New Debian User here.
13:18<scardinal>Katterin: hi :)
13:18<Katterin>I have some questions.. since I am not having a real good time.. with Debian as of yet.
13:19<Katterin>How can I get / install a newer kernel? for debian.. or is grabbing one of the "Pristine" kernels and build that the best option?
13:20<Katterin>Hi scardinal
13:20<scardinal>Katterin: why'd you want to get a newer kernel ?
13:20<scardinal>usually the stock one works fine :)
13:20<Katterin>Because my craptop is a toshiba.. and I have to always do the ACPI=off
13:20<Katterin>to get it to boot
13:21<Katterin>and not only is that a pain.. but alot of the functionality is missing i kinda need :)
13:21<Katterin>when I do the ACPI=off
13:23<themill>dpkg: tell Katterin about bdo
13:23<themill>Katterin: there's a 2.6.38 kernel available for stable from
13:23<Katterin>how do I enable my system to get the 2.6.38
13:23<scardinal>themill: bdo ? short for ? or ?
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13:25<themill>Katterin: have a look at what dpkg told you
13:27<abpier>hi, how can i restaure xserver, because it freeze before login, with dark screen and some strange caracteres ?
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13:30<Katterin>themill, thanks.. Will have a look.. I finally got some changes to my video card drivers.. I still have to finish that project..
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13:31<EmleyMoor>How do I calculate the offset to each partition on the qemu image I am using for Debian kFreeBSD?
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13:32<daemonkeeper>Which image?
13:33<daemonkeeper>Don't know about the qemu image type, but presuming they're just raw data partitions, either manually, or if you are lazy by using kpartx
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13:34<EmleyMoor>It's a raw disk... You say "manually" - nothing I know is working
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13:35<daemonkeeper>By manually I mean, you use fdisk -l image.file, and then do mount -o offset=block_size*start_position image.file /mnt
13:35<daemonkeeper>However kpartx is just more convenient.
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13:36<daemonkeeper>(It has nothing to do with a GUI for KDE, just in case you are irritated)
13:36<EmleyMoor>I'm irritated but not by that. Done this many times with traditional BSD and Linux
13:37<EmleyMoor>How do I identify the block size?
13:38<daemonkeeper>fdisk prints it
13:38<EmleyMoor>Yes, but what does it call it?
13:38<daemonkeeper>sector size
13:39<daemonkeeper>So a partition starting at position 1337 with sector size 512 results in a offset=684544
13:40<EmleyMoor>Hmmm...not good
13:41<EmleyMoor>Complains about wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock...
13:41<daemonkeeper>Which file system are you expecting there?
13:41<daemonkeeper>Ah, try -t then
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13:41<EmleyMoor>I have
13:41<daemonkeeper>Your kernel has UFS support?
13:42<EmleyMoor>daemonkeeper: Yes. I have ufs2 and bsd4 partitions already mounted
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13:42<Bushmills>EmleyMoor: qcow images?
13:42<EmleyMoor>Bushmills: No - raw ones
13:42<daemonkeeper>That would be my next assumption, ye
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13:44<Bushmills>EmleyMoor: i suppose you could use disktype on the file, which then tells your the sector offset to the data partition
13:44<EmleyMoor>I can get the first partition mounted, offset 32256
13:45<EmleyMoor>I could use what?
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13:45<Bushmills>that's 63*512 bytes
13:45<Bushmills>disktype. a utility
13:45<daemonkeeper>Or kpartx as said
13:46<EmleyMoor>I can't, short of actually using kpartx, make head nor tail of its output
13:46<daemonkeeper>But given that EmleyMoor was able to use the offset correctly for another partition, the problem might not be his calculation
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13:47<Bushmills>disktype would say something like "...417690 sectors from 4209030.." which would probably be a partition at byte offset 4209030*512 -> 2155023360
13:48<EmleyMoor>Bushmills: I can't see how, from what the partition table says, the 63 fits - though it is what I tried because it works on all others
13:48*EmleyMoor is investigating disktype
13:49<Bushmills>EmleyMoor: about my first partition, disktype happens to say "...4208967 sectors from 63"
13:49<EmleyMoor>I'll see what disktype says for me
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13:49<Bushmills>before is track 0. mbr, boot loader, etc. 63 sectors
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13:50<EmleyMoor>Hmmm...disktype says for my first "681984 sectors from 2048" - I can't see where 2048 fits in
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13:51<Bushmills>try offset 2048*512
13:51<EmleyMoor>No go
13:51<EmleyMoor>32256 works, not 1048576
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13:53<Bushmills>maybe the raw qemu image doesn't have a pc partition table, where disktype gets its data from. instead it begins its data partition after sector 63, regardless of that first sector says or contains.
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13:53<katterine>themill, what's the worst that could happen if I just compile a pristine kernel? and use that instead of the debian one? since I can't select it from the repo for some un-met dependency issues?
13:54<EmleyMoor>Bushmills: It does have one, I think
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13:54<Bushmills>i can tell you how to mount qcow images :)
13:55<EmleyMoor>Bushmills: I have to say, to do that interests me
13:56<flakk>couldyou help me people? I have a probmlem with my debian box. It began very strangely - I was printing a document when I noticed that my machine suggests two remote printers which I never installed. I tried to remove them through localhost:631, it did not work. I never seen such a thing, and I reinstalled my debian (it was anyway old, the lenny 2009 version). Now I have a new squeese, but the problem is still there! I havenot yet installed my
13:56<flakk>printer, but the two obsolete ones are already there! any help?
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13:56<EmleyMoor>flakk: Do you have another system on your network which used to serve those printers?
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13:57<Bushmills>flakk: somebody on your network may be sharing those, and your cups was configured to offer them to you
13:57<flakk><EmleyMoor> - I do not know about this. That is, I do not have a network, I just use what my ISP goves me
13:58<Bushmills>could even be a windows machine with shared printers, though i thought that needed some explicit cups configuration to include those too
13:58<flakk>OK so can I get rid of these printers?
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13:59<Bushmills>try to tell your cups to not probe for printers of other cups
13:59<flakk>I have also another problem - suddenly my machine became much slower than before
13:59<flakk>I have now about 30% CPU taken by gtk-gnash
13:59<flakk>10% by dbus-daemon
14:00<flakk>neve have seen this before
14:00<Bushmills>gnash is some flash interpreter. most likely eating performance
14:00<Bushmills>kill it. purge it. forget it.
14:00<kyentei>Close websites using flash (for videos)
14:01<flakk>do you mean that gnash tries to substitute for flash and therefore eats my CPU?
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14:02<Bushmills>whether flash plugin or gnash eats your cpu doesn't really matter
14:02<lindi->flakk: well you are running a program written in actionscript
14:02<katterine>ok can any one answer that question for me? is it inherently a BAD idea to compile and run a "Pristine" kernel on my debian system? what will I be missing from the debian patches?
14:02<lindi->katterine: bug fixes
14:02<flakk>lindi: I am running it??
14:02<lindi->flakk: if you install gnash and go to a website that has actionscript it will execute it
14:03<flakk><Bushmills> OK I closed firefox completelyand gnash disappeared
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14:03<flakk>but I have dbus-daemon who eats 20% cpu
14:03<Bushmills>and suddenly - performance again :)
14:03<katterine>I am so new at all this kernel stuff? I really need the 2.6.38 kernel.. but for some reason I can't select it due to some dependency issues? any suggestions?
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14:03<Bushmills>squeeze backports has 2.6.38 kernel
14:04<flakk><Bushmills> - not really - the usualterminal opens much slower than before
14:04<Bushmills>much slower than before ... you killed gnash?
14:04<abpier> how can i restaure x, because it freeze before login, with dark screen and some strange caracteres ?
14:04<flakk>I mean yesterday - with lenny
14:04<flakk>faster though than with firefox
14:05<Bushmills>well, close or kill or whatever those processes which use CPU
14:05<flakk>what does dbus-daemon do?
14:06<Bushmills>it is meant to allow programs to communicate to each other with it
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14:07<lindi->it also starts services on demand
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14:07<Bushmills>something was killed successfully
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14:08<katterine>lindi-, also my wireless card doesn't seem to be working with this 2.6.32 kernel... but as I mentioned before I can't get to the 2.6.38 installed from the debian repo's... any ideas ?
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14:09<jhutchins_lt>abpier: Can you start in rescue mode? If so, determine your chipset and what driver you should be using.
14:09<jhutchins_lt>abpier: It may help to disable kms, although that might leave you witout a GUI.
14:09<dpkg>Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.
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14:10<flakk>Bushmills: I killed dbus-daemon and the screen became black ))
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14:10<flakk>so i better live it alive
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14:11<flakk>it has disappeared though after reboot
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14:12<Bushmills>maybe some program using it was stuck
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14:13<flakk><Bushmills> can I return to these strange printers? - do you think it can be a virus or some malicious intrusion? - i really nebver have seen this, I am about 10 years with Linux
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14:13<Bushmills>a virus wouldn't be the first thing i'd think of
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14:13<flakk>well a spy or smth like this
14:14<Bushmills>also not.
14:14<flakk>it was not here yesterday, since I printed out smth yesterday there was only 1 printer
14:14<Bushmills>though i can't exclude that possibility, i consider it not a very likely scenario
14:15<Bushmills>cups can find printers for you. on networks. maybe that's what it did.
14:15<flakk>well why did not it do this during 10 years?? only yesterday
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14:15<jhutchins_lt>I would guess that you either have a corrupt cups configuration file or possibly that there are networked printers broadcasting their availability.
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14:16<flakk><Bushmills> <jhutchins_lt> do you think it is dangerous for the security of the machine?
14:17<katterine>lindi-, Yep I enabled the backports repository..
14:17<Bushmills>being on a network? yes, definitely.
14:17<katterine>but am having some dependency issues
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14:17<retrospectacus>katterine: make a pastebin of your command and its output:
14:18<katterine>hang on
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14:18<Bushmills>katterine: drugs? alcohol?
14:18<flakk><Bushmills> I am sorry - when you say "being on a network" do you mean connect to Internet?
14:18<Bushmills>flakk: such as
14:18<katterine>retrospectacus, I was using synaptic.. not sure what I need to install from the CLI.. hang on tho perhaps I can figure it out.
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14:19<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc6-686-pae (3.0.0~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3)
14:19<dpkg>i guess aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see or
14:19<flakk><Bushmills> well I will not stop connecting to internet
14:20<flakk>how can I get rid of the printers?
14:20<retrospectacus>katterine: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo-686 ...I think, or -amd64 on the end perhaps
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14:20<Bushmills>flakk: ebay?
14:20<flakk>never visited ebay
14:20<flakk>I was printing out a train timetable
14:21<flakk>today and probably it was at this moment
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14:21<flakk>that these printers appeared
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14:21<Bushmills>if those printers are real, and not yours, maybe trying to print 1000 pages of pitch black results in whoever shares them unknowingly to cease doing so.
14:21<retrospectacus>katterine: what I put there is not the correct package name. Use apt-cache search linux-image to see what it's called - you want the 2.6.38 bpo one
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14:23<flakk><Bushmills> is it not possible to tell my cups to uninstall them?
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14:24<Bushmills>you could tell your cups to not offer you printers which haven't been configured on that particular cups
14:24<flakk>how does one do this?
14:24<Bushmills>by running through its configuration. i forgot where and how.
14:25<flakk>ok how do you configure your CUPS in general?
14:25<retrospectacus>katterine: try this: sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 linux-base firmware-linux-free
14:25<flakk>I can do nothing through the localhost
14:25<retrospectacus>katterine: probably more errors - pastebin
14:25<Bushmills>either through its http interface, on port 631, or editing its config files, or using the one or other cups frontend
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14:26<katterine>retrospectacus, it's fetching files. and installing.. wierd
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14:26<retrospectacus>katterine: right on. Just needed to tell it to get those other packs from bpo as well
14:28<retrospectacus>flakk: you could also try: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh <package> where <package> is cups, cups-client, cups-common and/or cups-server
14:28<flakk><Bushmills> I am now on the localhost 631 page - actually the address of these printers is visible
14:28<flakk>and the totality of the printed documents...
14:28<katterine>I dont' quite understand what happened?
14:29<retrospectacus>it's just warning you that your disk names may change in /dev if you have a HP Smart Array raid controller
14:30<retrospectacus>meaning you'd have to change /etc/fstab or other configs
14:30<katterine>ok now something new.. I'm sorry would you be so kind as to help me figure this new one out?
14:31<retrospectacus>I think after you reboot into the new kernel you will need to update your radeon video drivers
14:31<abpier>thank you for reply jhutchins_lt i can start in rescue mode, and try to reinstall gdm , without succes, sorry i'm a little newb
14:32<retrospectacus>katterine: I am not familiar with this. Presumably you did something before to use this driver, you'll have to do it again is all (probably)
14:32<katterine>ok.. I was having driver issues.. for my video card. was stuck in a very low mode
14:33<katterine>ok it finished.. 2 errors.
14:33<katterine>one for the virtualbox driver
14:33<katterine>and the other for my fglrx video driver stuff.
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14:33<katterine>ok.. well I'm gonna reboot.. and see how badly this goes down in flames.
14:33<retrospectacus>those kernel modules will need to be upgraded / re-made
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14:35<flakk><retrospectacus> I tried the "dpkg-reconfigure" as you suggested. It said: Stopping Common Unix Printing System: cupsd. Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd. And both printers are still here
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14:37*retrospectacus shrug - guess it doesn't have any user-interactive configuration except the 631 page
14:38<retrospectacus>dpkg -L <packname> may show you some configs you may be able to edit
14:38<dpkg>No packages found matching <packname> may show you some configs you may be able to edit
14:38<retrospectacus>dpkg: welcome back
14:38<dpkg>it's good to be home :)
14:39<flakk>Bushmills: there is a phrase in the cupsd.conf: # Show shared printers on the local network.
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14:42<Black_Prince>dpkg kiss
14:42<dpkg>methinks kiss is Keep It Simple Stupid!!!
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14:50<flakk>retrospectacus: shoud I conclude that I am on some local network containing a small number of machines so that the people can suggest their printers? I guess for somebody who is just connected to the Internet it woulod not be possible to suggest hisprinter to me?
14:50<retrospectacus>flakk: you should know whether you are connected to a local network or directly to the Internet
14:51<flakk><retrospectacus> I really do not know
14:51<flakk>how could I figure that out
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14:53<retrospectacus>observe the path of your Ethernet cable
14:54<retrospectacus>see if there is a Router between your machine and your DSL or whatever
14:54<retrospectacus>or see what kind of IP address you have - public or private
14:55<flakk><retrospectacus: this is not a dsl, it is a cable connection
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14:55<retrospectacus>that's covered by "whatever"
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14:56<flakk>there is no router, the cable just comes out of the wall (well, there may be a router in the building<0
14:57<flakk>you can see my IP typing /whois flakk
14:57<retrospectacus>how do you know you have cable
14:57<retrospectacus>that's your public IP - if your local machine ''ifconfig'' says the same thing then you are not on a LAN
14:58<retrospectacus>if it says 192.168.x.y or 10.x.y.z or another private IP then you are on a LAN
14:58<flakk>1 sec
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14:59<flakk><retrospectacus> oops
14:59<flakk>ifconfig says smth different
14:59<bernat>flakk: just type "ip address" in a terminal
15:00<flakk>namely inet addr 10.3 ... etc
15:00<flakk>and btw the address of these localhost printers are of the same kind
15:00<retrospectacus>right, you're on a LAN and any machines sharing their printer on the LAN, you will (may) see it in cups (apparently)
15:00<flakk>LAN you mean local network
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15:00<retrospectacus>or network printers who advertise themselves
15:01<retrospectacus>yes Local Area Network
15:01<flakk>ok so basically it is maybe one or several buildings who share the same LAN right?
15:01<flakk>bernat : yes it says the same thing as ifconfig
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15:04<flakk>do you think my printer is also visible to other people??
15:05<retrospectacus>what kind of printer is it? Usb or network (or something else)
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15:05<flakk>my printer? or his printer??
15:05<retrospectacus>the one you are talking about
15:06<bernat>flakk: ok, I didn't see retrospectacus advice, they are the same in some cases
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15:06<bremner>are the lines " host.domain.tld host" in /etc/hosts useful in a machine that gets its IP via DHCP? It is causing me some troubles on a kvm instance where "dig physical-server" returns
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15:07<flakk><retrospectacus> my printer is a USB one btw the other printer is also an usb one
15:08<flakk>as far as localhost says
15:08<retrospectacus>flakk: if you check the lil box "share my printer" then yes he will see it
15:08<whirli1>Hey, Im running debian squeeze with lxde and learning all the time. Im trying to build pidgin from the source but with ./configure it gives me error that I dont have Glib 2.16.0 installed. According to synaptic I have libglib2.0-0, installed version 2.24.2-1. what should I do to get this running?
15:08<retrospectacus>whirli1: apt-get install pidgin?
15:08<whirli1>I know, I know :) just trying this out
15:08<flakk><retrospectacus> where is this lil box??
15:09<saulo>Hello, I'm receiving an error who apparently comes from xulrunner package. (Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.1 and 1.9.2.*.) When trying something I found at internet, I do "xulrunner-1.9.1 --register-global" but receives the error "Error: unrecognized application.ini path." Somebody can help me?
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15:09<saulo>I'm using Debian testing
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15:09<bernat>saulo: go to #debian-next
15:10<saulo>ok :)
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15:10<saulo>bernat: thanks
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15:10<retrospectacus>flakk: when you are adding your printer it's there
15:10<bernat>saulo: np, #debian-next is for future releases
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15:11<saulo>bernat: ok
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15:12<flakk><retrospectacus> - so any printer in my LAN can be shared?
15:12<retrospectacus>if it's in your lan and you can add it, it's already shared
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15:15<emmetea>im using squeeze with iceweasel and konqueror, yet whenever wine loads up or playonlinux does both complain that gecko isn't installed.
15:16<retrospectacus>emmetea: wine uses its own gecko
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15:17<retrospectacus>I think running ''wine explorer http://anywebsite'' will install it
15:17<emmetea>retrospectacus: ah. i see. so i should install netscape in wine?
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15:17<retrospectacus>nah just use its exploder
15:17<emmetea>retrospectacus: ah, thank you :)
15:17<retrospectacus>there is also a winetricks command to install it if you have that
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15:19<jeremy-77>can I install firefox on debian squeeze in terminal
15:19<flakk><retrospectacus> OK thank you I guess I understand . I guess that this is not dangerous for my machine, is it?
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15:19<retrospectacus>flakk: if you check "share printer" people will be able to print things on your printer
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15:19<retrospectacus>that's it
15:20<retrospectacus>jeremy-77: apt-get install iceweasel
15:20<jeremy-77>I have iceweasel already installed
15:21<flakk>yes I understand - I will not check it ) - I was wondering whether the fact that there asre two moreprinters added to my cups is dangerous for my machine
15:21<retrospectacus>jeremy-77: then you're done
15:21<retrospectacus>flakk: not at all, how could it be?
15:22<flakk>oh I do not know. Somewhat this means that the members of the same LAN are sort of very close to my machine
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15:22<jeremy-77>retrospectacus, iceweasel is firefox?
15:22<retrospectacus>jeremy-77: nailed it
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15:23<jeremy-77>retrospectacus, so I can install addons from firefox like xmarks and such? or addblock foof?
15:23<Zaba>emmetea, see
15:24<flakk><retrospectacus> OK thanks -
15:24<Zaba>emmetea, wine's gecko has nothing to do with your system's iceweasel's gecko or whatever
15:24<retrospectacus>jeremy-77: it just has a different logo and name because mozilla un-coolly does not release their logo as FREE
15:24<retrospectacus>jeremy-77: yes it is identical code, you can install any FF plugin
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15:26<jeremy-77>retrospectacus, awesome! came from ubuntu so just need a little time to adjust to debian.... so far I am impressed!
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15:26<flakk><jeremy-77> why did you change from ubuntu to deb??
15:27<retrospectacus>you may also notice we have a better support IRC
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15:29<jeremy-77>retrospectacus, they are moving to a different desktop that I am not liking and every new version of ubuntu has different problems for me.. wireless on some wont work or my video card wont work with others and they dont seem as stable as debian seems to be so far
15:30<emmetea>zaba: the link you sent me to says that it should be in /usr/share/wine/gecko and if its not there it will get it for you? but wine hasn't yet whenever i've tried to use it.
15:30<flakk><retrospectacus> so thanks for your patience, I guess I understand the thing now
15:30<Zaba>emmetea, re-read the text on that page
15:30<retrospectacus>sure thing flakk
15:30<retrospectacus>jeremy-77: nicely done then :)
15:30<emmetea>zaba: kk.
15:30<Zaba>emmetea, you, or your distro packager, is supposed to place it there.
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15:30<jeremy-77>retrospectacus, its cool ubunutu is comming out with new distros all the time to see it advance is great but they loose hardware in new distros
15:32<emmetea>Zaba: yeah, i just haven't been able to find what debian package will place it there and last time i compiled something and ran it i got yelled at in here so im not trying it again
15:32<Zaba>emmetea, well, again, read more carefully, from the beginning to the end
15:32<retrospectacus>jeremy-77: enjoy the good stuff
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15:34<emmetea>Zaba: rereading just makes me want to compile it more >_>
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15:34<Zaba>emmetea, then learn English
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15:34<jeremy-77>retrospectacus, only thing I need help on with debian right now is suspend and wake... it takes almost 2 minits to wake from suspend and I guess there is a way to change where it suspends to memory or hard drive but not sure how that works. I have 100 gig drive and 1 gig memory that shares with video and the drive is 5400rpm do you know any about suspend and wake ?
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15:35<Zaba>emmetea, that page tells you what commands download a .msi file for gecko that wine expects to find
15:35<retrospectacus>jeremy-77: do you have a swap space?
15:35<Zaba>emmetea, it doesn't even mention compiling anything in the paragraphs that are relevant to your problem
15:35<Zaba>emmetea, I've got trouble imagining how you're reading that
15:35<jeremy-77>retrospectacus, not sure?
15:36<retrospectacus>jeremy-77: enter 'free' on the terminal and if it's all 0 on the swap line then no. Otherwise yes
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15:37<emmetea>Zaba: because as i said earlier im using squueze and squeeze has 1.0.1 wine.
15:37<Zaba>not much point in using old wine versions, I'd say
15:37<retrospectacus>emmetea: go to and follow the directions to get 1.2 on debian thru apt-get
15:37<jeremy-77>retrospectacus, 1746936 total and 1746936 free
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15:38<emmetea>retrospectacus: ive tried that the information there points on how to get it for testing
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15:38<jeremy-77>retrospectacus, 0 used
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15:38<emmetea>Zaba: yeah thats i guess more why the more i read it the more i wanted to compile
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15:38<jeremy-77>should it use swap instead?
15:39<retrospectacus>jeremy-77: nah you have >1G of swap so it should suspend to that
15:40<retrospectacus>(should be fine) - when I press power I get buttons for "hibernate" or "suspend"
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15:41<retrospectacus>actually suspend doesn't need swap, it's hibernate
15:41<jeremy-77>retrospectacus, I went to power options and it is set to suspend when lid is closed and hibernate when battery is critically low
15:41<retrospectacus>jeremy-77: it sounds like you are hibernating not suspending. Try using the Shut Down thing and click suspend
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15:42<Zaba>yeah, suspend just turns everything but RAM off
15:43<jeremy-77>retrospectacus, so when I suspend it should use swap ? ill try to suspend that way and see.. how do I make it wake to see how long it will take?
15:43<Zaba>jeremy-77, no, suspend does NOT use swap
15:43<Zaba>jeremy-77, suspend is a hardware feature that turns everything off except for RAM
15:44<Zaba>hibernation saves RAM to swap and shuts down
15:44<retrospectacus>press the power button to wake it up
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15:45<retrospectacus>yes suspend does not use swap - hibernate does - hibernate takes a while, with the disk light on. Suspend should be very fast
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15:46<Zaba>if you have doubts regarding which is which, you probably want suspend
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15:47<bernat>now that you're talking about suspend, if I need to unload some module before suspend and reload it after resume, where can I do that?
15:47<emmetea>how robust is debians f32 support? could i install it entirely on a f32 formatted partition?
15:48<emmetea>sorry havent used debian since slink or woody then i went to macintrash world for a while
15:48<retrospectacus>fat32?? I suppose you probably could
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15:48<Zaba>emmetea, no
15:48<retrospectacus>fat32 does not support case-sensitivity in filenames though. that might not be good
15:48<Zaba>fat32 does not support permissions
15:49<Zaba>a unix system won't work well on it, if at all
15:49<emmetea>a uses home directory maybe for dual booting?
15:49<retrospectacus>good point
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15:49<Zaba>even that will break
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15:49<retrospectacus>why not use NTFS (presuming you are looking for some kind of windows compatibility)
15:50<Zaba>something wants to create a fifo or a socket in your ~? Tough luck, random breakage because 99% of things assume a sane filesystem.
15:50<Zaba>and you know, they do a right thing
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15:50<emmetea>how about a mount -B /mnt/fat32 /home/foo/bar/ ?
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15:50<Zaba>that would work better, as long as you're careful about what goes where
15:50<Zaba>(that is, if only a subset of ~ is on a fat partition)
15:50<retrospectacus>emmetea: fat32 support is fine, you just can't do a lot of things on a fat partition
15:50<jeremy-77>ok it takes about 35 seconds to boot my pc and it takes about 1 minit 10 seconds to wake from suspend?
15:51<Zaba>jeremy-77, pastebin output of 'dmesg'
15:51<emmetea>retrospectacus: imma a..a .. a bit scared of lin ntfs support from breaking some important drives tat weren't mine in the early 2000s
15:51<Zaba>emmetea, use ntfs-3g, not in-kernel ntfs
15:52<retrospectacus>emmetea: ntfs support is good. /msg dpkg ntfs-3g
15:52<emmetea>Zaba: yeah i was thinking like a directory named scratchspace in the users home directory
15:52<emmetea>@_@ dselect is offline?
15:53<emmetea>lol same functions as dselect? that is dpkg?
15:53<retrospectacus>dselect: hi
15:53<dselect>hi, retrospectacus
15:53<retrospectacus>dpkg: hi
15:53<dpkg>privet, retrospectacus
15:53<retrospectacus>they're the same
15:53<emmetea>weird... dselect is ignoring me :(
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15:54<themill>dselect: slap emmetea
15:54*dselect strikes a resounding *THWAP* across emmetea's face
15:54<emmetea>too small a font to see that typpo >_>
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15:55<Zaba>jeremy-77, you have missing firmware for your graphics driver
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15:55<Zaba>[ 2776.164076] radeon_cp: Failed to load firmware "radeon/R300_cp.bin"
15:56<Zaba>fix that and retry
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15:56<Zaba>the firmware loading timeout is what's causing it
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15:56<jeremy-77>Zaba, ok that makes sense but not sure how to fix it?
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15:58<retrospectacus>jeremy-77: enable <non-free> and install firmware-linux-nonfree
15:58<Zaba>yeah, that
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15:59<jeremy-77>ok thanks guys.. got about 6 minits of updates that are installing now and then I will do that
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16:06<jeremy-77>ok I enabled non free. do I install firmware-linux-nonfree from terminal or dose it do it in updates for me?
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16:08<emmetea>abrotman: i feel like i keep having to load it everyother or so.
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16:08<jeremy-77>oh found it in synaptic package manager
16:08<abrotman>emmetea: put it in /etc/modules ?
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16:18<retrospectacus>jeremy-77: faster?
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16:19<jquerier>iam installing kde on my debian machine via putty. After installation i will do startx. How to connect to the gui?
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16:21<jeremy-77>I enabled non free and installed firmware-linux-nonfree with synaptic package manager but still dose not seem fast yet. here is dmesg again
16:21<zykotick9>jquerier, ssh forwarding isn't typically used for full remote desktop access. Plus, if you are on Windows you'd need a local XServer on Windows.
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16:22<WofFS>jquerier, you can start Xvnc as X server and connect via windows vnc client
16:22<Zaba>jeremy-77, that doesn't contain anything suspend-related
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16:22<jquerier>Xvnc == vnc4server ?
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16:23<lindi->jquerier: that's one implementation yes
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16:23<jquerier>it is allready included in kde did i have to install Xvnc?
16:24<WofFS>jquerier: install some vncserver
16:24<WofFS>but maybe there is some included, dunno. no kde user. gnome has vino.
16:24<lindi->WofFS: vino is just for sharing existing display though?
16:25<jquerier>vino runs windows apps?
16:25<WofFS>lindi-: right. that's a different setup. :-)
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16:25<WofFS>vino != wine
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16:26<jquerier>sry its a remote admin tool :)
16:26<kop>jquerier: I like x11vnc as a server to serve the whole desktop.
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16:27<jquerier>ok another question is 2GB RAM enough to run debian with kde ?
16:27<lindi->jquerier: on server: 1) vnc4server :7 2) DISPLAY=:7 xterm on client: 3) xvnc4viewer -via server :7
16:27<lindi->jquerier: but this assumes your client and server both run debian
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16:37<jquerier>i have installed kde but if i do startx i get:
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16:37<jquerier>==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed Jul 13 22:33:14 2011
16:37<jquerier>(==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
16:37<jquerier>FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/ No such file or directory
16:37<jquerier>(EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
16:37<jquerier>SELinux: Disabled on system, not enabling in X server
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16:37<kop>jquerier: Sure 2G is enough. (Of course if you run some giant memory eating app there's no guarentee.) I've run it on 1G.
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16:38<retrospectacus>jquerier: is there a video card in there?
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16:41<jquerier>its a root server
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16:41<jquerier>here is the error iam getting while doing startx please help
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16:43<jhutchins_lt>jquerier: xorg is expecting a framebuffer and not finding it.
16:43<jhutchins_lt>jquerier: lspci -nn | grep VGA
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16:43<jquerier>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2772] (rev 02)
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16:44<jhutchins_lt>jquerier: You're on squeeze?
16:44<retrospectacus>why install X at all if it has no video
16:45<retrospectacus>oh it does
16:45<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: To forward X apps?
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16:46<dpkg>Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.
16:46<jhutchins_lt>A stock install should cover it though.
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16:50<EmleyMoor>That's got my Debian kFreeBSD VM onto my backups
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16:51<EmleyMoor>Is kernel building in Debian kFreeBSD done in a Debian way? If so, is there any guidance on it?
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16:52<dpkg>Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. #debian-kbsd on
16:52<EmleyMoor>Also, is it easy to switch to serial console?
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16:52<EmleyMoor>Ah, good
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16:55<paco>hola a todos
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16:56<retrospectacus>paco: hello there
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16:56<paco>simple question from a nerd
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16:59<sylar>I have 100% cpu IOWait, while disk consumption seem low at iotop
17:00<sylar>main processes are kjournald
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17:00<sylar>and dpkg when I install, and it cause that
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17:03<paco>how can i restart X (i dont know if that is the correct name for window manager)
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17:06<valdyn>paco: it is not
17:07<chealer>paco: if you don't mind, what are you trying to do?
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17:07<valdyn>paco: maybe you really want to restart X, maybe your window manager
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17:07<paco>ok, i have add several resolutions into xorg.conf
17:07<paco>so i think i have to restart X
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17:08<valdyn>paco: or you could just use xrandr
17:08<valdyn>paco: you know that xorg.conf is nearly redundant usually?
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17:08<paco>whats the meaning of redundant?
17:09<valdyn>paco: useless
17:09<paco>(sorry for my english level)
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17:09<craigevil>xrandr doesnt store the settings permanently, still need to use xorg.conf to set modelines/resolution
17:09<valdyn>paco: run "xrandr", see if the resolutions you want are listed
17:09<paco>where i have to configure my resolution, colour depth..
17:09<paco>ok valdyn
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17:09<daemonkeeper>paco: Try it. Just move your xorg.conf to another location (that is, not having a xorg.conf anymore) and try whether your xserver starts. :)
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17:10<paco>it isnt
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17:10<valdyn>craigevil: lcd displays have a native resolution, no one really wants to use anything but that one
17:10<paco>just 1024, i need 1280 x 1024
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17:11<valdyn>paco: which gfx chip, which driver is being used?
17:11<paco>daemonkeeper:whats happen if my xserver doesnt start again? :'(
17:11<daemonkeeper>Move it back.
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17:11<paco>nvidia 8800 gtx
17:11<paco>great graphic card 4 years ago :D
17:12<paco>which is the command to restart x server without reboot?
17:12<valdyn>paco: which driver is being used?
17:13<paco>privative nvidia driver
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17:13<valdyn>paco: privative?
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17:13<valdyn>paco: the one from you mean?
17:14<paco>(privative is so cool...)
17:14<valdyn>paco: thats not a word
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17:14<valdyn>paco: ctrl-alt-backspace and pray
17:14<chealer>paco: which display manager do you use?
17:14<paco> spain, when you install ubuntu it says "Drivers privativos"
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17:14<paco>*in spanish
17:15<paco>chealer: how can i know that? :P
17:15<salazar>Hey. Could someone help me with my fstab? I'd like to configure my automounting with correct permissions
17:15<craigevil>or just restart whichever display manager, /etc/init.d/gdm restart, kdm,xdm, slim etc
17:15<chealer>paco: which desktop environment do you use?
17:16<valdyn>chealer: nice
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17:16<chealer>paco: then you presumably use gdm (you could check if that package is installed)
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17:17<paco>dpkg -s gdm -> not found
17:17<dpkg>You Fool! gdm -> not found is installed!
17:17<valdyn>paco: -l
17:18<valdyn>might aswell be gdm3
17:18<paco>not installed
17:18<paco>whats the difference?
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17:18<valdyn>paco: the code
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17:18<paco>hehe, sure
17:19<valdyn>paco: i mean, the difference is technical, not necessarily visible
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17:19<paco>which one is installed by default with debian?
17:19<valdyn>paco: not gdm3
17:20<valdyn>paco: theres no real default for that in debian, chances are its gdm but it could be kdm i suppose
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17:20<paco>i understand
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17:21<paco>so, i would have to move xorg.conf
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17:21<paco>and restart
17:21<valdyn>paco: you dont have to restart your whole system
17:21<paco>i wouldnt like to do that
17:22<chealer>ah, right. paco: gdm3 contains the current version of GDM. gdm contains an older one.
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17:22<chealer>valdyn: why would you?
17:22<paco>ok chealer
17:23<valdyn>chealer: hmm?
17:23<chealer>valdyn: sorry
17:23<chealer>paco: why would you?
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17:24<paco>the only way i know to see the changes is rebooting
17:24<paco>for that is my question about restart X
17:24<chealer>paco: I meant, why would you have to move xorg.conf?
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17:25<paco>uhmm, one guy just tell me i have to move xorg.conf for checking if x starts
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17:26<paco>dont let me back to Ubuntu! :'(
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17:26<chealer>paco: there is no need to. I thought X already starts
17:27<paco>chealer: yes, but if i add new resolution and i apply it, have i to restart?
17:27<paco>i think "NO"
17:28<paco>but i dont know how to apply changes without rebooting
17:28<chealer>paco: if you add a new resolution to xorg.conf? you need to restart if you want to test your change, if you just want the new resolution you should only need to use RANDR
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17:29<chealer>paco: one easy and secure way to restart gdm is to reboot. you could also close your session, go to a terminal and run as root # invoke-rc.d gdm restart
17:29<daemonkeeper>Its an ancient anachronism to hard code resolutions to the xorg.conf.
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17:31<paco>just one more thing
17:32<paco>in xorg.conf
17:32<paco>there arent resolutions there
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17:34<chealer>paco: or rather, at least in your case, # invoke-rc.d gdm3 restart
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17:37<paco>thank you chealr, valdyn
17:37<paco>i love people like you
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17:37<retrospectacus>poor valdyn
17:37<retrospectacus>!beer valdyn
17:37*dpkg pulls out a tasty Green Flash IPA for valdyn
17:37<Helel>this is the third time I ask here for help
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17:38<Helel>eheh :D
17:38<Helel>I've got a x86 32 bit with kernel 2.6.39-2 (the new pae version of the Debian recompiled kernel)
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17:39<Helel>that machine is connected to internet through a cabled ethernet modem router
17:39<Helel>the eth0 is and the router is
17:39<Helel>i've also got a pci wifi card
17:39<Helel>my wlan0 interface is
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17:40<Helel>i tried to create a bridge to share my internet connection between my computer and my ipad
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17:40<Helel>but the bridge doesn't work at all
17:41<Helel>if I set up an ad-hoc interface from wlan0 to my ipad2 it reply to echo request icmp
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17:41<Helel>so I'm searching a mode for tells wlan0 to forward packets to the ethernet interface
17:42<Helel>so I can share internet :)
17:42<Helel>someone can help me ?
17:43<lindi->Helel: most wifi cards can't be used as part of a bridge
17:43<retrospectacus>Helel: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE && echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
17:43<Helel>lindi-, my wifi support master mode :)
17:43<Helel>retrospectacus, thanks but I also tried that :D
17:43<Helel>it doesn't work at all :P
17:43<lindi->Helel: I'm still not sure if you can bridge it
17:44<retrospectacus>you may also need to tell your ipad that your laptop is his default gateway (usually done with dhcp)
17:44<Helel>I do that
17:44<Helel>but I connect my ipad2 in ad-hoc mode to my wlan interface
17:44<Helel>the lan works great
17:45<Helel>I can connect to ipad2 with ssh (yeah it's jailbreaked and I installed opensshd on ipad)
17:45<Helel>and it reply pings
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17:45<Helel>but when I try to open an internet page with safari, nothing works
17:46<Helel>after a little it say that there is no internet connection
17:46<retrospectacus>what is the ipads default gateway? Does it have correct DNS servers? can it ping those?
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17:46<Helel>the default gw is, my network iface
17:47<Helel>and I don't think its a problem of dns
17:47<Helel>cause when I tried to connect to google from resolved ip
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17:47<Helel>it doesn't work
17:48<Helel>I tried that rules of iptables too
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17:48<Helel>iptables -A FORWARD -o wlan0 -i eth0 -m conntrack --ctstate NEW -j ACCEPT
17:49<retrospectacus>standard network router debugging - fire up wireshark, watch the packets on wlan0, check the s/d IPs, look for them on eth0
17:49<Helel>iptables -A FORWARD -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
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17:49<retrospectacus>where did you get those - looks like ipmasq stuff
17:49<Helel>iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE && route add default gw
17:49<Helel>the is my router that isn't wifi and I connect to it through cable
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17:50<retrospectacus>and /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward contains 1?
17:50<Helel>i did not get this from anywhere
17:50<Helel>i make in a little try to share my connection using ipmasq and iptables for routing
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17:51<Helel>yeah it contains 1
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17:51<Helel>on windows it works easily
17:51<Helel>and I can share through wireless my connection to ipad without problem
17:52<Helel>but I hate windows and I doesn't have installed it on this machine
17:52<Helel>I installed it on an old machine just to try
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17:52<retrospectacus>you only need one iptables rule: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
17:52<Helel>I removed my internet card from that computer and pushed in the one with windows and it works
17:52<retrospectacus>yours is missing the -o part and the other rules are not needed
17:53<Helel>ok but just a little question
17:53<Helel>after I do that rule
17:53<Helel>I simply connect to my ad-hoc wifi
17:53<Helel>to wlan0 ?
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17:54<Helel>wlan0 is ... I don't need to link in some mode the eth0 and wlan0 =
17:54<Helel>like iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -i wlan0 -j MASQUERADE
17:54<Helel> ?
17:54<Helel>I try this now :) thank you
17:54<Helel>I'll tell you if it works
17:54<retrospectacus>don't forget to clear your iptables rules first
17:55<Helel>yeah I do it everytime :)
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17:58<Helel>it doesn't work, sorry
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17:59<Helel>retrospectacus, another idea ?
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17:59<retrospectacus>Helel: debug with wireshark
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17:59<retrospectacus>you can pastebin your route -n and iptables -t nat -L and whatnot if you want I'll take a look
17:59<Helel>ok I give a try to debugin :)
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18:03<Helel>OH GREAT
18:03<Helel>IT WORKS
18:03<Helel>I FIX ALL :D
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18:03<Helel>eheh with wireshark I viewed that it route the packages to a wrong destination
18:04<Helel>the old gw that I've got
18:04<Helel>THANK YOU!
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18:05<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
18:09<kyentei>Don't we love happy customers.
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18:12<Helel>retrospectacus, I'm in debit with you
18:13<retrospectacus>no worries. Pay it forward. Hang around here and maybe you'll make someone happy as well :)
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18:14<Helel>yeah I'll do it and I'll write a little howto too :)
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19:02<jose>disculpen alguien me dice como funciona esto del xchat?
19:02<themill>!ubuntu-es jose
19:02<dpkg>jose: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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19:03<jose>ok muchas grax
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19:11<mephibosheth>Hello all!
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19:14<mephibosheth>I have a bunch of remote servers in different networks that should share a lot of configuration files (E.g. /etc/ssh/sshd_config). Some of these are for custom in house software, again shared. Is there any reason why I shouldn't roll our config files into debs? Is this semantically wrong?
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19:16<kyentei>I would personally prefer using a script to do this, but I don't see how debs could cause any harm.
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19:25<lindi->mephibosheth: well generally packages are not allowed to edit configuration files of other packages...
19:26<lindi->mephibosheth: I would suggest you use something like puppet instead
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19:27<daemonkeeper>However dpkg-divert is a mechanism which works for debs. Note concerns of the manuals regarding conffiles.
19:27<lindi->mephibosheth: just package the custom in-house software
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19:29<mephibosheth>Hmm, fair enough. However, one the of lead python devs wants to distribute our in house stuff (mostly python) through our own Cheese Shop (pip, etc.)
19:29<nevyn>mephibosheth: I'dmanage that stuff with puppet
19:29<nevyn>cheese shop?
19:30<daemonkeeper>mephibosheth: While lindi- is completely right, you can still insist on your original idea and work with diversions as said. Again, this might not work well for conffiles.
19:30<mephibosheth>I.e. "# pip install gevent", not "# apt-get install gevent"
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19:31<nevyn>oh goddamn secondary package managers
19:31<nevyn>mephibosheth: puppet can deal with that tho.
19:32<nevyn>so you'd do something like
19:32<nevyn>package { gevent: ensure => latest; provider=> pip }
19:32<nevyn>and it lets you tie the whole thing together as a service.
19:33<nevyn>but secondary package managers are evil.
19:34<mephibosheth>Ok. My boss also wants no "actual" debian packages to be rolled out; we are supposed to have our own mirrors, keys, hashes, etc. As far as trusting the debian repositories, etc. I think they are safe, but my boss wants to be certain no packages can be installed except what we whitelist. I take that to mean, no packages can be installed through ordinary means such as "apt-get update && apt-get install foo" or "apt-get upgrade".
19:34<daemonkeeper>apt-get upgrade your boss.
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19:35<nevyn>mephibosheth: do release management at your mirror not on the boxes
19:35<nevyn>mephibosheth: have you seen puppet before?
19:35<nevyn>mephibosheth: have you used, cfengine or any sort of configuration management system?
19:36<mephibosheth>no :)
19:36<nevyn>how many systems are there in your organisation?
19:36<nevyn>10's hundreds, thousands?
19:38<mephibosheth>So far? One or two. But we are developing a product which is just about hitting release 1.0 status (well in terms of hardware :) for the digital signage industry. There is a linux box in every sign. We are in talks with distributors now, and should shortly be in the ballpark of 10's to 100's.
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19:39<nevyn>mephibosheth: is there going to be ongoing connectivity to the signs?
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19:40<mephibosheth>The signs will ideally be reachable from the interwebz 100% of the time, but that is not something we can depend on, as many will have cellular data.
19:40<edson>someone tried to install thunderbird 5?
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19:40<mephibosheth>So the config files can't be NFS mounted, etc.
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19:41<mephibosheth>Damn I love Innis & Gunn
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19:42<babilen>mephibosheth: oh, yeah -- one of the great locals!
19:42<babilen>oh, this isn't #d-ot -- disregard that!
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19:43<mephibosheth>Yeah, sorry!
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19:44<mephibosheth>Thank you all for the advice. I will read up on puppet, cfengine, and dpkg-divert to try to assess what will meet our needs.
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21:13<baronobeefdip>hello i have a questions about bind
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21:15<willian>make it
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21:15<greatercow>the question being?
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21:16<baronobeefdip>what is the naming scheme for the reverse lookup zone. where do the numbers go
21:17<baronobeefdip>for the filename i mean
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22:09<nvt>what's the chance to get HP ZR24W + ubuntu + Thinkpad T60 with integrated intel 950 working? :)
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22:09<kop>nvt: You'd have to ask #ubuntu on
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22:21<R_esh>hi, is there any way to temporarily increase the size of /tmp?
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22:22<R_esh>i've tried changing the size setting in mtab, but it seems to reset every time the system boots.
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22:26<kop>R_esh: You probably need to read the reference guide. You resize the partition. (using parted or gparted or something else) and then the filesystem (if what you use to resize the partition does not work.) Of course that's not really temporary.
22:26<kop>R_esh: Otherwise look into "bind" mounting. "man mount"
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22:27<kop>R_esh: (But you wouldn't want to mount over something that's in use. So you'd have to, say, change /etc/fstab and reboot.
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22:49<coolGuy>does anyone know how to make a bootable usb from a snapshot taken with live-snapshot?
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22:52<forrest>coolGuy, i've always used unetbootin to make bootable usbs
22:52<coolGuy>hm...let me look into that, thanks forrest
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22:56<forrest>I'm trying to make a chroot jail on a usb drive with debootstrap, and I'm wondering how to get the usb automount to not use the nodev option
22:56<Guest2050>when is debian sid going to be released?
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22:57<forrest>sid will always be unstable
22:57<forrest>which you would understand if you saw toy story
22:57<koollman>forrest: I don't know how to change the default, but you can probably do something like : mount -o remount,dev /your/mount/point
22:57<Guest2050>forrest: no, I get it :) i always love that answer
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23:01<forrest>koollman: good idea, i'll try that
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23:04<forrest>koollman, works! thanks
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23:05<forrest>i was really hoping to be able to write a script that resides on the disk itself which would set up the chroot, though ... somehow i doubt i can remount a disk from a script that resides on that disk
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23:05<koollman>forrest: you probably can do that
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23:08<forrest>koollman, oh yeah, it does work
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23:22<anirban>i am compiling kernel 3.0 in sid but getting " make: *** Documentation/lguest: No such file or directory. Stop.". but i have bzip2 and lzma-dev packages install
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23:39<jeremy-77>i have a hard drive that acts funny. its a WD 500 gig sata drive that only works if its the only hard drive installed. I also have a 36 gig sata raptor and a 250 gig sata drive that work fine together but wont work with the 500 plugged in. what I mean by not working is the pc wont get past post or wont even let me into bios. it will try and then freeze and even tries on different mother board for same problem. any one have an idea??
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23:40<koollman>jeremy-77: not enough power available for two ?
23:42<jeremy-77>koollman, have plenty of power and it will run other 2 drives together but if I swap one of them for the 500 it wont finish the post at boot or go to bios. its a 600 watt power supply
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23:42<koollman>find the firmware version (with a tool like hdparm) and check vendor website to see if updates have been made
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23:44<jeremy-77>koollman, have not tried that but wouldnt I have to have it plugged in as a slave to install firmware? or would wd have a cd version of the software? I dont run floppy anymore.
23:45<koollman>I have no idea what they have as tools to flash firmware now. I rarely handle hardware, nowadays
23:45<jeremy-77>ok thanks for info ill try there website and see
23:45<koollman>although I just though of something ... it's sata2, right ?
23:45<jeremy-77>yes I think so
23:46<koollman>it's hotplug. boot without it, add it later, see if it's detected
23:46<koollman>it could show if it's a bios problem or a disk problem, too
23:46<jeremy-77>ill try that too
23:47<cybersphinx_>For sata hotplug, you need the correct bios settings though.
23:47<jeremy-77>its a newer asus motherboard
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23:49<cybersphinx_>The default settings are usually the conservative IDE mode, so that Windows XP works. You need to set it to AHCI, and disable everything sata related with legacy, shared... in the name.
23:49<koollman>oh, right. but you should do that anyway. IDE emulation generally sucks
23:50<cybersphinx_>Well, and if you're using XP, you need to install an ahci driver first.
23:51<cybersphinx_>In case you need to update some bios/firmware, use unetbootin. That can make a bootable USB stick with Freedos, then you copy the updater onto the stick as well, boot it, go to d: and run it.
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