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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-07-14

---Logopened Thu Jul 14 00:00:29 2011
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00:54<tash>I guess this is a known problem, but, I have problems with the gif on iceweasel
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01:21<kota>Sup?
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02:44<maxexcloo>Hey, anyone know of a way to list every package not required by any other package? All my packages are explicitly installed and any help would be appreciated :)
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02:54<jm_>maxexcloo: deborphan/aptitude can help
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02:54<maxexcloo>is there any way to print a full package list and then a list of all dependancies?
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02:56<jm_>yes
02:57<kingsley>How would you check if a sendmail daemon has received any emails? Does it have a log file or queue?
02:58<maxexcloo>jm_, I hate to ask but could you show me the commands? My google fu is bringing up blanks
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03:02<jm_>maxexcloo: dpkg-awk or grep-dctrl
03:02<jm_>grep-status even
03:03<maxexcloo>thanks!
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03:03<maxexcloo>I'll look at that :)
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03:04<jm_>in general 'aptitude why' can tell you why something is installed
03:04<maxexcloo>:)
03:05<matsp888>"aptitude why".... neat one
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03:08<maxexcloo>jm_, sorry about asking so much, what would the simplest way to list packages that aren't required by any others? Should I list all packages and then remove the depancies from the list (I'm messing around but not sure how I'm going to make it work :)
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03:09<jm_>maxexcloo: I'd try deborphan first
03:09<maxexcloo>I have, it seems to come up blank which is kinda weird
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03:10<maxexcloo>Or only lists a small ammount of packages
03:10<jm_>maxexcloo: I noticed that aptitude has %r - see /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README (I will be gone for a while now)
03:10<valdyn>maxexcloo: whats wrong with deborphan?
03:11<jm_>try using that
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03:11<maxexcloo>ok
03:11<maxexcloo>:)
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03:13<maxexcloo>valdyn, this just seems too small to me...
03:13<maxexcloo>http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xbzeNJtA
03:13<maxexcloo>although I could just be missing something (a brain :p)
03:13<valdyn>maxexcloo: it lists only libraries
03:13<valdyn>maxexcloo: *apps* generally dont have apps depending on them
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03:14<valdyn>maxexcloo: theres exceptions like metapackages, but generally you dont need metapackages either
03:14<maxexcloo>so can deborphan list all packages that aren't required by any others (or am I doing that already)
03:15<valdyn>maxexcloo: probably, look at the manpage
03:15<valdyn>maxexcloo: -a
03:15<nadir>or deborphan --guess-all
03:16<maxexcloo>Thank you!
03:16<maxexcloo>:)
03:16<nadir>np, but take care when removing.
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03:16<maxexcloo>nadir, don't worry I will
03:16<maxexcloo>and anyway, the system is empty anyway :p
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03:56<Rehnquist>peeps, i just have to say this
03:56<Rehnquist>Debian is f*cking awesome
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04:13<ilea>i choose maximum speed to write with brasero disk burner and it writes at 2,4 x what could be the problem
04:13<ilea>i am writing a dvd
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04:14<fnmueller>ilea: bad dvd, bad burner, incompatibilities
04:14<ilea>with nero i dont have this problem
04:14<ilea>and the dvd writer is new
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04:17<jm_>try using a different tool to burn
04:18<ilea>i will use nero i wanted to see if brasero is good for something or not
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04:18<ilea>and my opinion is that brasero is a application good for garbige
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04:19<fnmueller>why did I see that one coming?
04:19<fnmueller>lindi-: have fun using nero, problem solved, eod
04:19<diceroll>i use brasero almost everyday without any problem ilea
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04:42<fnmueller>lindi-: sorry, yes
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05:43<Mkaysi>Hi, I have a problem when installing Debian. It freezes in partition manager "reading discs 50%". I am trying to install it on HP Compaq-mini netbook with Kingston datatraveller 4gt USB stick.
05:45<ty_dye77>in the partition manager?
05:45<Mkaysi>Yes, it says "Loading partition manager" and "Reading discs"
05:45<ty_dye77>when partitioning the harddisk or your usb stick to prepare the install?
05:46<Mkaysi>In installation
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05:46<ty_dye77>what format?
05:46<Mkaysi>USB stick? FAT32.
05:47<bernat>are you sure is completely freezing?
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05:47<Mkaysi>Yes, because it doesn't do anything in 15 minutes after getting to 50%
05:47<ty_dye77>does that have the atom proccessor ?
05:47<bernat>the partition manager might take some time to start
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05:48<bernat>15min is a lot
05:48<ty_dye77>id say
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05:49<bernat>I've understood it's freezing when looking for drives and reading existing partitions
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05:49<Mkaysi>I think so
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05:53<bernat>are you installing squeeze?
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05:53<Mkaysi>Yes
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05:58<Mkaysi>Hardinfo report from that computer: http://pastebin.com/2cJgS1DZ
05:58<Mkaysi>Looks like it has Atom
05:58<ty_dye77>wasnt their specific install directions for atom netbooks?
05:59<ty_dye77>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne
06:00<Mkaysi>Thanks, I'll try that
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06:10<Osiris_X>can anyone give me an example where GPIO is used on a laptop/desktop ?
06:11<ty_dye77>in speakers i believe
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06:20<Rehnquist>uhm, interesting problem: trying to set up a home IRC server, so i installed ircd-hybrid via apt-get. the application is installed in root bin folder, so i can't run it as normally, but if i run it as root, it says don't run this program as root!!
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06:22<babilen>Rehnquist: What about "service ircd-hybrid start" ?
06:22<bernat>Rehnquist: you shouldn't run it directly
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06:24<Rehnquist>lemme try that
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06:25<Rehnquist>service is running
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06:25<Rehnquist>but, uh, what now?
06:26<bernat>you have an IRC service running, what more?
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06:27<abpier>hi
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06:27<babilen>Rehnquist: You might want to configure it -- Please read ircd-hybrid's README.Debian and other applicable documentation.
06:28<Rehnquist>okay, thanks!
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06:29<babilen>!ell robertf -about readme.debian
06:29<babilen>*phew*
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07:26<heXhex>Hi. I have a little problem - can` uninstall application with Software Center. Can anyone help me with this problem?
07:26<heXhex>*can`t
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07:27<babilen>heXhex: Can you try to uninstall the same package with "aptitude remove PKG" on the command line and paste the output? Please also include output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy PKG" and your sources list. Put all that on http://paste.debian.net -- You also have to replace PKG with the package in question.
07:28<babilen>Or paste the error you get in software-center, never used it :-\
07:28<matsp888>wrong channel!
07:28<matsp888>ah sorry
07:28<matsp888>forget it
07:28*matsp888 is confused today
07:29<babilen>Obviously :)
07:29<matsp888>:p
07:29<matsp888>too much crack lately
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07:46<varun>Hello everyone - I have debian installed on an embedded system, and the bootup is in quiet mode because I don't want the users to see the boot messages. Now I want certain messages to be displayed (for example if a USB is inserted) - is that possible to do?
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07:51<bernat>varun: I think syslog or one of its alternatives could manage it, I don't know if that can be done in kernel without touching code
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07:53<varun>would you know what I would need to change to make this possible?
07:54<cliworksbetter>In debian squeeze, I've got a race condition between device mapper and mount. That is, at startup, mountall doesn't wait enough for crypttab's operations to complete, which results in a failure to mount the /dev/mapper/X device. How can I make mountall wait for this to complete?
07:54<varun>also, if I were to use syslog to solve the problem - how would I do it?
07:55<jm_>cliworksbetter: for root fs or what?
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07:55<cliworksbetter>jm_: nope, for home partition
07:56<jm_>cliworksbetter: in that case I'd just introduce a delay in the init script
07:57<cliworksbetter>jm_: in what part ?
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07:57<cliworksbetter>jm_: would the delay still works if both cryptdisks-early and mountall.sh run in parallel?
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07:58<jm_>cliworksbetter: mount_all_local function I guess
07:58<cliworksbetter>jm_: wait I'm going to look at that
07:58<jm_>cliworksbetter: well it would only work if cryptdisks-early starts before it
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08:07<mkods_>what's the irc of ubuntu?
08:07<mkods_>I can't find
08:07<jm_>!tell mkods_ -about ubuntu
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08:08<mkods_>ei my english is very bad
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08:09<babilen>mkods_: What is your native language? Or which languages do you speak?
08:09<mkods_>chinese
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08:09<mkods_>i'm a chinese
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08:10<babilen>!otherchannel mkods_ #ubuntu-zn irc.freenode.net
08:10<dpkg>mkods_: The channel you are looking for is #ubuntu-zn on irc.freenode.net. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu-zn. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.freenode.net/#ubuntu-zn
08:11<mkods_>haha qqq
08:11<babilen>mkods_: Qing jiaru #ubuntu-cn de pindao. ^^^
08:11<mkods_>thank you == qqq
08:13<mkods_>babilen:haha ni ye shi zhong guo ren a
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08:18<cliworksbetter>in squeeze, I've got a problem with an ipw2100 wireless device. After looking at the syslog, relevant information says that: the firmware fails to load and the device fails to power on.
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08:21<bernat>you need the firmare files
08:21<bernat>apt-file search ipw2100
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08:22<jm_>!tell cliworksbetter -about ipw2100
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08:23<cliworksbetter>jm_: how can I download the firmware if the pc cannot work due to the network not working? Is the firmware-ipw2x00 provided with the dvds?
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08:24<jm_>cliworksbetter: no doubt it is on some DVD-s, but otherwise I recommend USB or similar to transfer the packages
08:24<jm_>!cd contents
08:24<dpkg>To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/).
08:24<jm_>cliworksbetter: ^^^^^^^^
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08:25<babilen>No, it is *not* on the DVDs as those contain only software in Debian. (i.e. not non-free for example) -- You can get it on the netinstall firmware images.
08:25<jm_>cliworksbetter: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
08:25<babilen>cliworksbetter: Have you already installed?
08:25<jm_>are you saying non-free dvds no longer exist?
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08:26<babilen>jm_: Not sure, but it is not on the normal DVDs. Where did you get the non-free ones from?
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08:27<jm_>babilen: you mean that URL?
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08:27<cliworksbetter>babilen: yeah, why wouldn't I?
08:27<babilen>Yes, where from?
08:28<jm_>http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Firmware_during_the_installation
08:28<cliworksbetter>jm_: thanks!! :)
08:28<babilen>cliworksbetter: So you already finished the installation and you just need the firmware?
08:28<cliworksbetter>babilen: yes, that's it
08:28<babilen>cliworksbetter: You don't have to install again in that case, but you can download the package directly and install it manually with "dpkg -i"
08:29<babilen>http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-ipw2x00
08:30<cliworksbetter>babilen: that's what I am going to do, I already have a pendrive here, hehe. Don't know whether downloading the .deb package or the tarball, how am I more likely to learn how the system works?
08:30<jm_>cliworksbetter: definitely the .deb
08:30<cliworksbetter>babilen: I went with the link you provided, thanks, gonna try it right away
08:30<babilen>cliworksbetter: I would download the .deb and install it, that way the packaging system known about the files.
08:31<cliworksbetter>jm_: babilen you guys are great ! :)
08:31<babilen>s/I would/Whatever you do/
08:31<cliworksbetter>babilen: why does this firmware not come included with the main distribution? Is it because its source code is not open?
08:32<babilen>cliworksbetter: Do not praise us before it is working, we might just call it a day ;)
08:32<babilen>cliworksbetter: Yes
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08:45<akg>hey tehre
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08:48<jm_>looking for virtualbox-ose on buildd I can only find version 4.04bpo60, but there's now 4.08bpo60 which does not show up there - does it mean the person who uploaded it built it on their own system?
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08:53<egwk>jm_, I suppose you are on backports repo.. Did you try "apt-get update" first to get the latest info on packages?
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08:54<jm_>egwk: not sure how this will help with my question - I see 4.0.8 from bpo just fine
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08:56<jm_>I just want to know if it's always built on buildd or not - mostly to check if 4.0.10 will show up in bpo now that's in testing (and if it would be built on buildd I could sport it there)
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08:56<jm_>sport=spot
08:57<jm_>anyway off now
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09:21<clocker>I have 18 packages being held back from upgrading. If "dist-upgrade" does not fix this how do I best resolve these package updates?
09:22<clocker>2.6.32-5-686
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09:29<heinvd>hi everyone... quick issue im having... i have 5 virtual domains setup 4 of which i can ping from external, and 1 i cant
09:29<heinvd>all 5 pings from the server.... what am i overlooking?
09:31<daemonkeeper>You are using what for virtualization?
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09:32<heinvd>i have a default file in the sites-enabled folder
09:32<heinvd>all VirtualHosts are setup there
09:32<daemonkeeper>You speak about Apache?
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09:32<duytruong>hello
09:32<heinvd>apache yes running on debian lenny server
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09:33<daemonkeeper>I see. Now some of your explanations actually make sense.
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09:33<daemonkeeper>So, now you set-up 5 name based virtual hosts, but you can ping only 4 of those by using their respective host names?
09:34<duan>My system was hanged when booting sometimes.Anybody can help me?
09:34<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell duan about anyone
09:34<heinvd>that is correct
09:34<daemonkeeper>Do all of those host names resolve to the same IP address?
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09:35<heinvd>i can ping all 5 from the server itself (same ip yes)
09:35<heinvd>but from remote location i can only ping 4 of them
09:36<daemonkeeper>If you can't ping, that's not related to Apache. I guess the one name which does not ping, resolves to a different IP. Can you name the hosts in question?
09:36<heinvd>i can, the ip is 46.4.59.211
09:36<daemonkeeper>I care about the host name, not the IP
09:37<daemonkeeper>i.e. your domain name
09:37<heinvd>host that pings are www.toploto.co.za www.giantlottos.com www.whoisthebest.co.za
09:37<heinvd>one that does not ping is www.giantaffiliates.com
09:38<daemonkeeper>The .com domain does not resolve to any pointer, in fact no NS feels responsible.
09:38<daemonkeeper>This is a problem with your domain registrar.
09:39<daemonkeeper>Apparently you registered this domain on hetzner.co.za?
09:39<heinvd>i hear you... that is correct yes
09:39<daemonkeeper>If so, ask them for technical assistance. They need to fix your problem.
09:40<daemonkeeper>Your problem is, there is no name server known to resolve your domain. It is either very new, or a technical problem on Hetzner's site.
09:40<daemonkeeper>Well, or you didn't configure it appropriately in their control panel, if any.
09:41<heinvd>ah ok, that makes sense... the domain is almost 11 months old and worked until about a week ago...
09:41<heinvd>thanks for your guiding. will have a chat with them
09:41<daemonkeeper>Welcome.
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09:43<daemonkeeper>By the way, your domain expires in a month, you should renew it, if you care :>
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09:45<heinvd>thanks, yes. I have it to renew automatically. the payment deducts from credit card. :)
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09:53<chealer>hum, why do I have a big 1 on my main screen and a big 2 on my external screen in my KDE session after starting and closing a second X server?
09:53<chealer>I'm running testing. the numbers are in white on red at the top left.
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09:54<toote>chealer: looks like monitor identification numbers
09:55<chealer>toote: right. why would they be showing? and how to get rid of them...
09:55<toote>chealer: not a KDE user myself so I have no idea, but I'd search near the screen properties configuration section
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09:57<chealer>toote: what do you mean by section, a panel of configuration?
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09:57<toote>chealer: no idea, never used KDE :S
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09:57<toote>but I assume there is a section for configuring screen properties somewhere
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09:59<chealer>toote: a "section" as in a control panel/configuration screen?
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10:00<chealer>there is a Screen panel in System settings which offers to identify screens, but that uses a different kind of labels
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10:05<chealer>well, starting a new KDE session unsurprisingly got rid of them
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10:22<Knorrie>hm, I upgraded my nginx package from a 0.7.67-1 backport i once made to a 1.0.4-1 backport (still on lenny). now I have this: http://paste.debian.net/122874/ I cannot purge the nginx package, because that throws away all my nginx config, logs etc
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10:23<Knorrie>is there a way to manually resolve this?
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10:34<SynrG>Knorrie: i don't know where you're finding new backports of packages for lenny
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10:36<cliworksbetter>how can I make pcmanfm add a pendrive to the list automatically when one is connected to usb?
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10:38<SynrG>Knorrie: anyway, if i understand you, two packages claim ownership of the same files in /etc, the two packages conflict, and now if you purge the old package you're worried it will remove the material owned by the newer, conflicting package?
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10:39<Knorrie>SynrG: exactly, and the backports, i made them myself
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10:40<SynrG>if that is in fact what happens, i guess backing up and restoring those files before/after the purge is the only way around it
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10:42<Knorrie>yeah, i guess so
10:42<SynrG>when you did the package split, did you specify the new one Replaces the old?
10:43<SynrG>i don't know if that actually helps in this case, but it ought to
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10:43<SynrG>er, i mean "ought to be done"
10:43<Knorrie>by I made them myself, I actually mean, i took nginx from wheezy, and rebuilt the package in a lenny pbuilder
10:43<SynrG>not "ought to help" :)
10:44<SynrG>ah
10:44<Knorrie>that works wonderful, only this annoyance...
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10:45<Knorrie>the new nginx-common has this: Replaces: nginx (<< 0.8.54-4), nginx-extras (<< 0.8.54-4), nginx-full (<< 0.8.54-4), nginx-light (<< 0.8.54-4)
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10:45<SynrG>yeah, i was just looking at that.
10:46<Knorrie>probably upgrading is 'more supported' when going to 0.8.54 first
10:46<SynrG>possible. but not necessarily.
10:46<Knorrie>but still, I was asking here because I wonder if this exact same issue could occur more often when packages are being renamed
10:46<kristianpaul>why cpan in lenny always have problems like Couldn't untar xx.tar when it already downloaded a .tar.gz file..
10:46<Knorrie>and how that is normally being handled
10:47<SynrG>right. and i hadn't thought it through before. i just don't know.
10:47<Knorrie>i could ask the maintainer via a bug report
10:47<chaos>ctrl+pause+b is the magic key for reboot, right?
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11:01<nyov>i'm using official mirror scripts to keep a private debian repository for a handful of machines and a bunchload of vm's
11:01<nyov>i know it's not officially endorsed to exclude suites, but since it's totally private, is there some rsync magic to do it anyway?
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11:03<nyov>none of these boxes is ever touching unstable or experimental, but since this is where most updates occur, I'd like to cut some useless traffic there
11:03<zeus_>Hi all, how can i install a php extension called ZipArchive under squeeze ?
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11:04<iiv>Hi. I'm using Debian testing and I can't find kernel package with OpenVZ support. When trying to start vz service it says: Running kernel is not an OpenVZ kernel.
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11:05<iiv>Does OpenVZ support kernel version 2.6.38 and higher or not?
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11:06<nyov>iiv: that depends on which kernels the openvz guys release
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11:10<iiv>But if there's not such precompiled kernel package with OpenVZ support, most likely that there is no other way to get it i think.
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11:12<nyov>,versions linux-image-openvz-686
11:12<judd>Package linux-image-openvz-686 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29
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11:13<nyov>iiv: looks like .32 is the last openvz kernel currently
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11:14<Knorrie>SynrG: ah... in wheezy, there's a nginx package, and "This is a dummy package that selects nginx-full", so I think when upgrading, you have to install nginx (and nginx-full) first, then install nginx-light, which will remove nginx-full and the nginx package
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11:14<Knorrie>:|
11:15<Knorrie>the new nginx package will replace the old, and the new can be purged
11:15<Knorrie>if necessary
11:15<iiv>nyov: thanks, but i have 2.6.38-2-amd64. And just updated to 2.6.39-2
11:15<nyov>then you'll have to downgrade. or forget about openvz
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11:23<iiv>Well, can anyone say something about lxc (Linux Containers) as it seems there is no better alternative for OpenVZ?
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11:24<daemonkeeper>What's your purpose
11:25<weasel>to seek the holy grail
11:25<nyov>iiv: sure, lxc is the upcoming alternative. but it's rather unpolished still, so you'll probably invest some time to get it working right
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11:26<babilen>Where can I get more information about the entries and syntax of the /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates file?
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11:32<zeus_>Hi all, how can i install a php extension called ZipArchive under squeeze ?
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11:35<daemonkeeper>If there is a package, install it. If not, install it like every other PEAR/PECL extension
11:38<zeus_>daemonkeeper: ok
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11:47<tzafrir_laptop>I have an lxc that starts, but I can't connect to it though either lxc-console or ssh
11:48<tzafrir_laptop>The guest is a Debian Etch system (don't ask)
11:48<tzafrir_laptop>I generally copied it over from an existing linux-vserver installation
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11:49<nyov>does it start?
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11:49<tzafrir_laptop>yes, it starts. I see processes in the cgroup
11:50<nyov>have you enabled ttys in the guest?
11:50<tzafrir_laptop>I added to inittab:
11:50<tzafrir_laptop>lxc.tty = 6
11:51<tzafrir_laptop>I have e.g.:
11:51<tzafrir_laptop>1:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --autologin root tty1
11:51<tzafrir_laptop>in /etc/inittab
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11:51<tzafrir_laptop>Jul 14 18:13:08 etch init: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
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11:52<nyov>do you have the corresponding devices allowed in the lxc config?
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11:52<nyov>i.e. lxc.cgroup.devices.allow = c 5:1 rwm
11:52<nore>salve
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11:53<galador>hi
11:53<tzafrir_laptop>http://pastebin.com/Az1dMUsA - already there
11:53<galador>i'm trying to share files using nfs
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11:53<tzafrir_laptop>nyov, ==^
11:54<nyov>also "lxc.tty = 6" doesn't belong in inittab
11:54<galador>i've followed a few tutorials, but i can't connect between a debian wheezy machine and a linux mint lxde
11:54<nyov>tzafrir_laptop: they are commented out in your paste
11:54<galador>using private network
11:54<tzafrir_laptop>(reduced it to 4 now, as you can see in the pasted config)
11:54<nyov>tzafrir_laptop: then uncomment /dev/tty0-4
11:55<nyov>/dev/tty0-3 sorry
11:55<tzafrir_laptop>nyov, that means that I give it access to my physical ttys, right?
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11:55<tzafrir_laptop>Is that a good idea?
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11:56<nyov>actually, what you want to uncomment is : 4:0,4:1,5:0,5:1
11:56<tzafrir_laptop>http://pastebin.com/mhRRadMq - this one works. It's a squeeze guest
11:56<SynrG>Knorrie: ah. since the transitional package no longer owns the confs, it doesn't remove anything when you purge it. brilliant. and i should've thought of that, as experienced as i am. for shame that i did not.
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11:57<nyov>tzafrir_laptop: with lxc-console?
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11:58<tzafrir_laptop>yes
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11:59<nyov>tzafrir_laptop: then diff your guests inittabs
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12:01<nyov>tzafrir_laptop: make sure you have the ttys enabled in the inittab as well
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12:02<tzafrir_laptop>the lines in inittab are the same
12:03<tzafrir_laptop>What might cause mingetty to fail?
12:03<nyov>tzafrir_laptop: are you sure you started the squeeze guest with those tty's commented?
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12:03<tzafrir_laptop>nyov, I don't follow. Sure about what specific detail?
12:03<Knorrie>SynrG: Depends: nginx-full | nginx-light :) it works, already have the new packages running
12:04<SynrG>super
12:04<nyov>tzafrir_laptop: for me it only used to work if the guest can access those devices. so try uncommenting them in your lxc config
12:05<tzafrir_laptop>nyov, does this work if you have more than one guest running at a time?
12:05<nyov>yes
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12:05<tzafrir_laptop>(host is Squeeze)
12:06<tzafrir_laptop>That's odd. Because this is what I originally did. But it failed in odd ways when I tried to add the second guest
12:06<tzafrir_laptop>BTW: the kernel is 2.6.32-5-vserver-686
12:06<Knorrie>SynrG: now I can upgrade from the old nginx directly to new nginx dummy package and nginx-light :) I think I'm going to send this as a wishlist-bugreport
12:07<Knorrie>and then purge the dummy package
12:08<SynrG>why is there any bug needed?
12:08<SynrG>looks like it 'just works' so long as you do the right thing here as an admin
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12:09<Knorrie>not a bug, a wishlist item, for the nginx-full | nginx-light dependency instead of only nginx-full. it will not change default behaviour, but it could be quite useful if you explicitely want to go to -light
12:09<nyov>tzafrir_laptop: vserver kernel should work, unless lxc-checkconfig says otherwise
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12:16<cliworksbetter>I cannot "ifup" my network interface because the wpa_supplicant daemon fails to start, why could this be?
12:16<Bushmills>cliworksbetter: faulty configuration?
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12:16<cliworksbetter>what kind of configuration?
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12:17<Bushmills>the config file you specify wpa_supplicant to use
12:17<cliworksbetter>I don't specify any file to use by wpa_supplicant because I already use wpa stanzas in my /etc/network/interfaces configt file
12:18<tzafrir_laptop>nyov, another point: what might cause the console log file to be empty?
12:18<Bushmills>i suppose you could call that "configuration" too
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12:25<nyov>tzafrir_laptop: what console log?
12:25<Osiris_X>cliworksbetter: then why have you got wpa_supplicant installed?
12:25<tzafrir_laptop>nyov, lxc.console = /var/log/lxc/console_etch.log
12:25<tzafrir_laptop>That file is empty
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12:26<nyov>tzafrir_laptop: sorry, never used it. no clue
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12:32<Osiris_X>cliworks1etter: then why have you got wpa_supplicant installed?
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12:38<cliworks1etter>Osiris_X: wpasupplicant is necessary if you have a wireless connection
12:39<Osiris_X>cliworks1etter: as far as I know, only if you need WPA encryption
12:40<cliworks1etter>Osiris_X: yes, I am using that too
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12:43<chinna>hi
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12:44<chinna>] Evolution +Exchange mail 2010 Not working only ubuntu
12:44<chinna>any one help me
12:44<chinna>no folder
12:45<chinna>during configuration its fine but not showing folder
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12:48<Osiris_X>cliworks1etter: have you tried using NetworkManager?
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12:49<cliworks1etter>Osiris_X: I don't want to install networkmanager, that's the first thing I uninstalled when I used ubuntu. It sucks 100%. I only use CLI to configure most things.
12:50<Osiris_X>"it sucks 100%" - in what way?
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12:52<cliworks1etter>Osiris_X: In all ways :). 1) It cannot manage hidden ssid connections. 2) If you don't uninstall it, a perfect /etc/network/interfaces config file won't work because networkmanager gets in the way. 3) There are certain details that you can control via /etc/network/interfaces that you cannot control thru networkmanager 4) You don't learn anything using it, which is natural since it just tries to look up to windoze so that most
12:52<bernat>maybe it sucks less than you at setting up network connections that work :)
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12:53<cliworks1etter>bernat: don't expect me to get into an ego fight, right? :)
12:53<bernat>I think it can manage hidden ssids, and you can tell it to ignore the interfaces you want
12:53<Osiris_X>cliworks1etter: it can manage hidden ssid connections (I can personally vouch for that),
12:53<bernat>cliworks1etter: no, I don't want that ;)
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12:54<Osiris_X>cliworks1etter: it is only natural for 2 pieces of software trying to do the same job, to conflict - otherwise it would just be a front-end to the /etc/network/interfaces file
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12:55<tzafrir_laptop>ok. udevd init script was hung and kept the init process from progressing
12:55<bernat>cliworks1etter: I think you could give a try, it can save some work and it can work together with /etc/interfaces when told to
12:55<tzafrir_laptop>diagnostics: watch -n1 'ps `cat /var/local/cgroup/etch/tasks `'
12:56<tzafrir_laptop>disabled it. Now things are sort of working
12:56<Osiris_X>cliworks1etter: your 4th point is tenuous at best - but the 1 thing it does well, is switch between different network seamlessly - so on my laptop I can switch between wired, wireless, 3G USB automatically
12:56<cliworks1etter>Osiris_X: the problem is that, were it not for the fact that I became aware of the networkmanager getting in the way back then, I would have thought that my /etc/network/interfaces configuration was the problem, when it wasn't. There should be a way to track all those apps that could get in the way of an otherwise good manual setup.
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12:57<cliworks1etter>bernat: installing networkmanager is out of the question. That's not the way I do things. Plus, my previous experience with it has been terrible, while I can say that manual setup worked well for me
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12:58<cliworks1etter>Osiris_X: I can also do that by having a /etc/network/interfaces setup properly. Or even using manual ifconfig and iwconfig commands, which is the option I like best (since it allows me to fine-tune things to a greater detail, while fixing things that cannot be easily fixed via /etc/network/interfaces)
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12:59<cliworks1etter>To me the only 100% clean setup is that which allows you to do things without having to rely on X-windows. That should be the most basic thing to always take care of.
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13:14<M>hi all
13:14<M>my provider had debian in the list of images to place on a server so i went ooo and installed it but im having this weird issue and wondering if you might know where to fix it
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13:14<M>i was having a java app moan about server being overloaded and it turns out it was talking about the time changing
13:15<M>i just spammed date to the console once every second for a while and noticed it jumped from 11 minutes past the hour to 15 minutes past the hour
13:15<M>any ideas?
13:17<jhutchins_lt>M: This is one of the worst problems with VM's. Nearly impossible to keep the clock on real-world time.
13:18<jhutchins_lt>M: Some of the virtualization platforms have special driver that may help, but you'll have to contact your provider about installing them.
13:19<M>ok so it's not something i need to configure inside the node?
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13:20<jhutchins_lt>M: Probably nothing you can do.
13:20<M>basically hes telling me its my fault
13:20<M>ok!
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13:20<M>exactly what i wanted to hear
13:20<jhutchins_lt>M: Do you know what platform it is?
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13:21<M>openvz i eblieve
13:21<jhutchins_lt>M: I don't have any specifics for that platform, but it is a problem with almost all VMs.
13:21<jhutchins_lt>M: There may be nothing they can do either.
13:22<M>even if the time was wrong but it didnt change i wouldnt mind
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13:22<M>its the jumping by 4 minutes
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13:26<Bushmills>m: installing and running ntp should help
13:26<flakk>Hi people today I made an antivirus scan for my new sqeeze debian box and to my surprise i have 3 files infected. I used clamscan - but i do not understand one thing: did it cope with the viruses, or just found them?
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13:28<jhutchins_lt>flakk: clam is notorious for not cleaning up viruses. Whethere it even tries depends on what options you run it with.
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13:28<jhutchins_lt>flakk: I recommend avg.
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13:29<flakk><jhutchins_lt> is there a version of avg for debian?
13:29<jhutchins_lt>Yes, a free (of charge) one.
13:30<flakk>.deb package?
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13:30<jhutchins_lt>Bushmills: Unfortunately the skew isn't consistent, so ntp is unable to adjust it, and it will often get too far off for ntp to cope with.
13:31<flakk>i know avg for XP and it is a good thing - will try now
13:31<jhutchins_lt>M: What I've done in the past is run ntp and monitor it with nagios for when it inevitably goes out of sync.
13:32<jhutchins_lt>flakk: No .deb iirc, it's propritory.
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13:33<flakk><jhutchins_lt> i do not find any linux programs on the site of avg, where does one get it from?
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13:34<jhutchins_lt>flakk: That's where I got it, let me look at what I have.
13:34<Bushmills>jhutchins_lt: that's what i do too, ntp+monitoring, on VPS, which those VPS keeping time well. as far, at least: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1310664798769889691d.png
13:35<Bushmills>may depend on what virtualisation software runs on the host, of course
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13:37<jhutchins_lt>flakk: Apparently I downloaded a deb file from them...
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13:38<flakk><jhutchins_lt> that s great! could you give me the link?
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13:39<jhutchins_lt>flakk: sez here http://www.avg.cz/linux
13:41<jhutchins_lt>flakk: They may have changed the license, I see a 30 day trial but not a free version.
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13:43<flakk><jhutchins_lt> well it is all in some language which i do not understand chekoslovak apparently
13:44<coruja>flakk, http://download.avgfree.com/filedir/inst/avg85flx-r874-a3473.i386.deb
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13:44<flakk>coruja: thanks! trying
13:44<jhutchins_lt>flakk: Czek. Click the phrase to the right of the flag in the upper right corner.
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13:45<flakk>oh yes
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13:47<flakk>i could guess it... trying
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13:52<jthomas_>does anyone have issues with Wireless on Debian 6? I have two netbooks and a notebook and all have horrible wireless and different chipsets
13:52<retrospectacus>lots of people have issues with wireless...
13:52<retrospectacus>!wireless
13:52<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
13:52<flakk>well i will try to install 85 version. somewhat funny that I was so happy with my advantages over XP users who struggle with viruses, and now apparently to update the avg for linux I will pay something, while the XP users do it for free...
13:53<jthomas_>retrospectacus yes and we're still no better off, even though there are now open/free drivers?
13:53<retrospectacus>there are some
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13:53<retrospectacus>we'll be great when the chip manufacturers provide linux drivers
13:54<retrospectacus>until then we have to rely on volunteers to make them
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13:56<jthomas_>i have an Edimax chip with a Linux driver; I have a EeePC with a linux driver (intel I think?); these are both still so flakey :(
13:57<flakk>coruja: I have installed the .deb package. with some errros though update-rc.d: warning: avgd start runlevel arguments (2 3 4 5) do not match LSB Default-Start values (3 5)
13:57<flakk>how do i launch it ? man avg says it does not exist
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13:58<jthomas_>flakk its a daemon (avgd) so you probably launch it from the init scripts that start at bootup, or manually with: /etc/init.d/avgd start
13:59<flakk>jthomas: does this imply that it will launch automatially at boot?
13:59<M>the provider says its not drifting
14:00<jhutchins_lt>M: Sounds like you needd to replace the provider.
14:00<M>ah ok
14:00<jhutchins_lt>M: Dead Parrot Sketch.
14:00<Osiris_X>cliworks1etter: unfortunately my line of work doesn't permit to deal in idealism
14:01<retrospectacus>marketing eh
14:01<jthomas_>flakk that is the idea, "start runlevel arguments (2 3 4 5)"
14:02<flakk>jthomas_ : well i said /etc/init.d/avgd start and it worked for about 2 seconds, now it is not htere any more and where should I read the result?
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14:03<coruja>flakk, http://free.avg.com/us-en/faq.num-3909
14:03<jthomas_>not here, where?
14:03<jhutchins_lt>network-manager is useful if you do wifi roaming, but as far as I can tell it's quite different from the similar package in other distributions such as Ubuntu and Mandriva.
14:03<flakk>jthomas_ - "top" does not show avg soft working
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14:04<jthomas_>it may not be int he top processes. what about "ps auwx |grep -i avg"
14:04<retrospectacus>flakk: try ''ps fax|grep -v grep |grep avg''
14:04<jhutchins_lt>flakk: ps ax shows all processes.
14:05<jhutchins_lt>flakk: Make sure you read the docs, they are installed under /opt instead of /usr/share/doc
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14:08<flakk>suddenly I have an info that in my root directory is almost no free place.
14:09<flakk>I left 6 gig for the root when installing
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14:12<valdyn>flakk: run apt-get clean
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14:13<flakk>valdyn: thanks , done
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14:16<flakk><retrospectacus> yes it gives a lot of info about avg - apparently it is still working
14:18<flakk>well, if I want to stop the avg (and to read the docs first) what do I do?
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14:19<valdyn>flakk: /etc/init.d/avgd stop
14:20<flakk>valdyn: thx
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14:21<retrospectacus>flakk: type retr<TAB> - using your copy paste or w/e does not alert me that someone is talking to me
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14:23<flakk>retrospectus: i am sorry i do not understand what you mean
14:23<flakk>valdyn: if I still do not want the avg to run each time at boot, should I cange smth now?
14:23<retrospectacus>flakk: see what I did just now
14:24<retrospectacus>I typed your name. Your IRC client HIGHLIGHTED that line because I was talking to you (not this line)
14:24<retrospectacus>you should try to do the same
14:24<retrospectacus>you can use tab completion
14:24<retrospectacus>you put "retrospectus " which is close but don't work
14:25<retrospectacus>so type retr<tab>
14:25<flakk>retrospectacus, like this?
14:25<retrospectacus>exxxxactly (assuming you pressed tab)
14:26<flakk>ok I am sorry for being slow
14:26<retrospectacus>now when I am over in #debian-offtopic and you do that, my client alerts me that someone is talking to me over here
14:26<flakk>so if I do not want AVG to run at boot, but prefer to launch it when I want, what do I do?
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14:27<jthomas_>flakk: to stop it from bootup you'd need to become root, and at the command prompt run: 'runlevel' to see what runlevel you're in (for example, R2). then run 'cd /etc/rc2.d/' where that number is the same as the number from your 'runlevel' output. then, run 'ls' to see what Starts (S) and bootup and what is killed (K). move the (example) S89avgd to K11avgd and that will prevent it from starting when entering Runlevel 2 (
14:27<jthomas_>at bootup or any other time you're entering Runlevel 2, which isn't really a concern much anymore but runlevels used to be used for different services)
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14:27<retrospectacus>hmmm you don't have to get into all that
14:27<retrospectacus>''man update-rc.d''
14:28<retrospectacus>or insserv if you have fresh squeeze
14:28<flakk>retrospectacus, I am afraid it will use a lot of CPU
14:28<jthomas_>notice the S89avgd and K11avgd have numbers, which correspond to the order that they start or are killed. those numbers, when added together, should equal 100.
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14:28<jthomas_>or, yes, as retrospectacus said :D
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14:28<retrospectacus>jthomas_: that is all true but nobody needs to go futz around in there
14:29<jthomas_>i don't know your way, I should learn that
14:29<retrospectacus>flakk: well did it use a lot when it was running?
14:29<retrospectacus>jthomas_: it was update-rc.d until squeeze then they moved to insserv
14:29<jthomas_>it didn't show in flakk's 'top' process
14:30<flakk>nope it did not bother me much
14:30<retrospectacus>might as well let it run then, if you're into the whole AV thing
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14:31<flakk>retrospectacus, I know that rkhunter eats a lot of CPU and AVG for XP the same. now you explained me that avgd does not show up at "top" but this does not mean apparent;y that it does not need CPU does it?
14:31<retrospectacus>heh
14:32<retrospectacus>everything needs cpu
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14:32<flakk>how much would it need?
14:32<retrospectacus>but if it did not appear in "top" then it needed less CPU (at the time) than everything else that did appear in 'top'
14:32<retrospectacus>no idea
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14:33<flakk>well there were even the PIDs with 0 % cpu :)
14:33<flakk>less would mean negaitve
14:33<retrospectacus>run it for a long time, then ''ps faux'' will show you in the TIME column how much real time of CPU cycles it's used
14:34<flakk>ok for the moment I can stop it manually each time - would be fine for the moment I am really frightened with the viruses now
14:34<retrospectacus>compare that to other processes like rhythmbox, compiz, X and judge for yourself if it's using "too much"
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14:35<jthomas_>flakk what worries you with the viruses on the Debian box?
14:35<retrospectacus>flakk: not familiar with AVG but you should be able to run a scan on demand without having the daemon up all the time
14:36<flakk>retrospectacus, that is what I would like
14:37<flakk>jthomas_ I am now sure that I have viruses - clamScan found three files, and more or less the same was said by rkhunter and chkrootkit
14:37<flakk>I had also a strange apparition of a remote printer in my printer list
14:37<jthomas_>imho, start over with that box. backup the data and reinstall the OS.
14:37<flakk>I do not like all this
14:38<jthomas_>is this a server or a desktop/laptop
14:38<jthomas_>?
14:38<flakk>jthomas - yes I am thinking about it , it is a desktop
14:38<jthomas_>ouch
14:38<retrospectacus>flakk: what files did it find? Stuff you downloaded? Or you don't know what they are doing there
14:38<flakk>the prob is that apparently there is a lot of viruses in the network,
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14:39<flakk>retrospectacus, i just run clamscan since was hoping for 0 infection, so did not ask him to list them
14:39<flakk>so I do not know
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14:43<flakk>People, thanks a lot for your help. It is fine for today. I will re try tomorrow.]
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15:13<dontworry>hello
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15:14<retrospectacus>dontworry: hi
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15:16<dontworry>aside from fdisk, cfdisk, parted... are there any more advanced partition editing utilities? using the advanced commands in fdisk, i moved "the beginning of data" and now that partition is inaccessable.
15:16<retrospectacus>gparted
15:16<dontworry>fdisk does not offer any option to move the data BACK. only forward
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15:16<dontworry>neither does gparted
15:17<retrospectacus>can you explain more clearly what you did and are trying to do?
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15:18<retrospectacus>you are *not* resizing or moving partitions, you're moving data inside *a* partition? Why? what FStype?
15:18<dontworry>ext2
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15:19<retrospectacus>I did not know you could do that, and I am not sure why you would
15:19<dontworry>yeah...
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15:22<etherion>hi, guys
15:22<etherion>i need some help
15:22<retrospectacus>!ask
15:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:23<etherion>i was in the process of installing debian 6, and i got a error message saying grub installation failed
15:24<retrospectacus>was this in a VM
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15:24<etherion>then the power cut, now when i reoobt i'm taken to grub rescue
15:24<etherion>nah, not in VM
15:24<retrospectacus>did the installation finish?
15:25<etherion>nope
15:25<retrospectacus>start over
15:25<etherion>thing is, when i reboot, i'm taken to grub rescue
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15:26<retrospectacus>means there is a bit of grub stuff but not enough to run an OS or even show a menu. Boot the installer CD and start over.
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15:28<etherion>ummm, i initially tried to installed debian via unetbootin because my cd drive is busted
15:28<clocker>I have a problem with updates being held back. I'm running Debian version 6.0 Many seem to fix this with "dist-upgrade", but that's not working for me. I would love to know how to trouble shoot this.
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15:29<retrospectacus>clocker: apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade. Then copy and paste the output of apt-get dist-upgrade to paste.debian.net and tell us your paste URL
15:29<clocker>I have 18 packages being held back now.
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15:30<retrospectacus>etherion: boot the USB disk then
15:30<retrospectacus>installer
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15:30<clocker>gracias
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15:30<etherion>tried that, not working
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15:31<etherion>changed bios and all
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15:31<retrospectacus>"not working" - that's my favourite error message.
15:31<chaos>can i modify the businesscard iso to start a specific automated install? :)
15:31<etherion>o0o0
15:31<daemonkeeper>chaos: you want to learn about preseeding
15:32<chaos>the thing is.... it seems my kvm access to this box i want to install on loses keyboard control if i add a virtual media :P
15:33<daemonkeeper>I'm pretty sure, you can debootstrap Debian easily for KVM.
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15:34<clocker>apt-get update output - http://paste.debian.net/122909/
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15:34<retrospectacus>clocker: you mean apt-get dist-upgrade
15:34<retrospectacus>clocker: looks fine.
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15:34<clocker>It doesn't matter, the output is the same
15:35<retrospectacus>...no
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15:35<dontworry>well, is there a way to manually edit the partition table?
15:35<retrospectacus>''apt-get update'' and ''apt-get dist-upgrade'' will not ever have the same output
15:35<clocker>OK give me a second
15:36<clocker>http://paste.debian.net/122910/
15:36<retrospectacus>clocker: it's fine
15:36<clocker>So, no worries in packages not being updated?
15:36<clocker>or upgraded?
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15:37<retrospectacus>!tell clocker about kept back
15:37<retrospectacus>it's not a big problem
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15:37<clocker>It wouldn't have bugged me, but I can't install mplayer now and I suppose assumed, maybe wrongly that the two were connected
15:38<clocker>mplayer was held back so I took it out and now can't put it back
15:38<retrospectacus>removing it was foolish
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15:39<retrospectacus>you just have to wait until your system is ready for the new version
15:39<clocker>I'll be grateful for vlc then, thanks
15:39<retrospectacus>keep trying apt-get update && apt-get install mplayer
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15:41<retrospectacus>dontworry: I thought you had not touched the partition table, just the ext2 data inside one of the partitions
15:41<etherion>ummm
15:42<dontworry>no
15:42<dontworry>i altered the partition table with fdisk
15:43<retrospectacus>altered how
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15:45<dontworry>using fdisk. i went to the advanced menu and chose to move the beginning of the data. i moved it forward by 2. not the partition is visible, but unmountable.
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15:48<retrospectacus>dontworry: ahmmm I think you need to mount it with a specific magic block number that is 2 more than it was
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15:49<retrospectacus>dontworry: read ''man mount'' - the section for "Mount options for ext2" sb=n part
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15:50<retrospectacus>and by 2 I mean 8192 (or something) - my expertise ended about 3 minutes ago
15:51<dontworry>yeah. that was the first thing i tried. an alternate superblock...
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15:53<retrospectacus>welp, I think that is your problem but I dunno how to fix it
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16:00<dontworry>i need a scsi module for a 2.6.25. do i need to compile this myself ?
16:01<weasel>the interesting question is why are you running a 2.6.25?
16:02<dontworry>it's an old system...
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16:06<weasel>maybe you should upgrade it?
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16:28<ballfire>hello there
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16:36<etherion>k, i'm currently using an ubuntu live cd, but i want to install debian, i tried installing debian via unerbootin since my cdrom is busted, my usb stick is also busted :-(, i was wondering if it would be possible to install the debian.iso file on my unmounted partion, whilst in live mode?
16:37<lindi->etherion: how did you boot ubuntu live cd?
16:38<etherion>i've got an ubunt live cd
16:38<etherion>oh wait
16:38<etherion>soz
16:38<etherion>i meant to say was i dont have debian on a cd
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16:39<daemonkeeper>etherion: You can install Debian by bootstrapping it to your disk. But this is not that simple.
16:40<daemonkeeper>etherion: If possible, find a boot medium. You can also boot from your network.
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16:41<etherion>kk, thanks daemon
16:42<ballfire>does anyone has some experience installing debian in a MacBook Pro ?
16:42<etherion>btw, i was going to try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1599293
16:42<retrospectacus>!macbookpro
16:42<dpkg>The MacBook Pro is a laptop series produced by Apple Inc., succeeding the PowerBook G4. http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro . See also <bcm4331>, <laptop>.
16:42<ballfire>more precisely... the regression in the installer for the CD ?
16:42<etherion>but not to sure if it will work using debian
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16:43<ballfire>retrospectacus: yep... i read that... the problem is that it mentions a regression
16:43<ballfire>but i would like to speak with someone with experience in that...
16:43<scinl>ballfire: There are some good Debian tutorials if you google it... there's also a good planet.debian.org article about why Debian on a MacBook Pro is nice but why you shouldn't buy one JUST for Debian because he hardware isn't SO nice compared to what else you can get for the price...
16:43<ballfire>(i've already installed debian into the macbook ,but the CD does not work, while in stable it worked)
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16:43<scinl>...in ADDITION to the MBP not having native pageup, pagedown, home, or end keys!
16:44<osa>mn
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16:47<daemonkeeper>etherion: That works likewise, but be aware you can't reformat the partition holding the disk image.
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16:48<aTo|Defi>Hello, i have a problem with my wifi, it don't work on boot and after boot i ifdown / ifup it work :x
16:49<etherion>daemonkepper: i think i'll try http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/05/15/howto-bootstrapping-debian-linux-system-using-debootstrap/
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16:49<etherion>i've already partitioned my drive such that
16:50<etherion>and /home were separate
16:50<etherion>*/ and /home
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16:50<daemonkeeper>etherion: This is what I was thinking about. However this is a bit of a hassle, unless you know what you are doing.
16:50<etherion>so i can just bootstrap on to /
16:50<daemonkeeper>ehm
16:51<daemonkeeper>wait
16:51<retrospectacus>not /
16:51<daemonkeeper>Your tutorial is incomplete.
16:51<etherion>oh
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16:51<daemonkeeper>That's the first step only. You can't boot from this deboostrapped Debian.
16:51<daemonkeeper>You still need to install a kernel, boot loader, and configure /etc/fstab at least.
16:52<daemonkeeper>Probably you also want to edit /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf. Also don't forget to setup an user account-.
16:52<etherion>yeah
16:53<etherion>k, i'll give it a shot
16:53<etherion>thanks
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18:13<neko>holaa
18:13<neko>buenas nochess
18:13<neko>tengo una duda dudera
18:14<neko>resulta que tengo una nvidia 8800gtx
18:14<neko>instalé los drivers
18:14<Fresh>And, in English ? :)
18:14<neko>ok
18:14<neko>sorry!
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18:14<neko>i have nvidia 8800gtx graphic card
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18:15<retrospectacus>!nvidia
18:15<dpkg>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
18:15<neko>uhm
18:15<retrospectacus>sorry, go ahead
18:15<neko>just a doubt
18:15<neko>i move xorg.conf
18:15<neko>to xorg.conf_orig
18:16<neko>and rebooted my pc
18:16<neko>and suddenly, my resolution was ok again
18:16<neko>if i have not xorg.conf
18:16<neko>where is the configuration of my screen and my resolution?
18:17<retrospectacus>it is all automatic
18:17<retrospectacus>what are you asking?
18:17<neko>i want to add another resolution
18:17<neko>but i dont know how to do it
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18:17<neko>(i thought resolution was configured into xorg.conf)
18:18<retrospectacus>it can be
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18:18<retrospectacus>you should be able to choose in the menu System - Preferences - Monitors
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18:18<retrospectacus>or on a terminal: xrandr -s 800x600
18:18<retrospectacus>e.g.
18:19<neko>ok
18:20<neko>xorg.conf ==> nvidia software configuration?
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18:20<retrospectacus>!nvidia dkms
18:20<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
18:20<retrospectacus>that's what I use ^
18:21<retrospectacus>also install nvidia-settings - this will let you set resolutions and multimonitor and stuff
18:21<neko>i've already installed all of these stuff
18:21<neko>but the resolution was not correct
18:22<neko>thanks a lot
18:22<neko>ill try with xrandr
18:22<neko>;)
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18:27<chealer>I'm not sure the nvidia proprietary drivers will work well with xrandr
18:27<chealer>use nvidia-settings indeed if they don'T
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18:27<neko>hey chealer!
18:27<neko>i resist to go with ubuntu :D
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18:28<retrospectacus>I'm not clear on what driver he is using - he said he removed the xorg.conf - neko do you have snippets in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ?
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18:29<chealer>oh, right, good remark
18:29<neko>uhmmm let me see
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18:29<chealer>neko: which desktop environment do you use?
18:30<neko>im using oficial nvidia drivers
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18:30<neko>i havent that dir on X11 directory
18:30<neko>gnome
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18:31<retrospectacus>neko: I believe the system will not use nvidia driver unless it is specified in xorg.conf or xorg.conf.d/*
18:32<neko>right
18:32<chealer>I confirm
18:32<neko>when i use System -> Preferences -> Nvidia X Server Settings
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18:33<neko>it says: You do not appear to be using the nvidia X driver"
18:33<neko>haha
18:33<neko>which one then?
18:33<retrospectacus>probably nouveau
18:34<neko>uhmm
18:34<neko>ok
18:34<retrospectacus>/var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you
18:34<retrospectacus>anyways what are you needing to do exactly?
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18:34<neko>i want to add 1280 x 1024 resolution to feel good
18:34<neko>:)
18:35<retrospectacus>do you want to use nvidia or nouveau?
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18:35<neko>tell me, which one i should choose?
18:37<retrospectacus>well did xrandr -s 1280x1024 work with nouveau?
18:37<neko>size not found
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18:38<retrospectacus>right you want !nvidia dkms
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18:38<retrospectacus>which we saw earlier
18:39<neko>ook
18:39<neko>now its clear for me!
18:39<neko>thanks a lot!
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18:39<retrospectacus>once you reboot into X on nvidia, the xrandr should work, or the Nvidia system settings thing
18:40<cliworksbetter>I tried LXDE in debian, but fonts suck (even after installing ttf-mttcorefonts). I don't know why this is so, they seem like very "fragile" (I don't know how to define). The thing I know is that how they look doesn't have anything to do with what they'd look like with ubuntu and LXDE. Could this be related to antialiasing and font smoothing? Whatever the answer, what could be done?
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18:52<Phr3sh>Hi there, could i have one of you guys to hilight me?
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18:52<Knorrie>Phr3sh: no
18:53<retrospectacus>Phr3sh: never
18:53<Phr3sh>thank you, i guess! :D
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19:01<babilen>Phr3sh: There is a #test channel over at freenode.
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19:02<Phr3sh>babilen: oh okay, sry, i didnt know that
19:02<babilen>Phr3sh: Which is why I let you know :)
19:02<Phr3sh>babilen: :)
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19:04<weedeater64>So you can do a better job of configuring you network than the utilities, but you can not work out fonts? Is that correct?
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19:09<sunami>cuanta gente
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19:09<sunami>como cambio de servidor?
19:09<themill>!ubuntu-es sunami
19:09<dpkg>sunami: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
19:12<sunami>ah, bueno creo que no he hecho la pregunta adecuada, como me transmuto a irc.hispano?
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19:15<babilen>!otherchannel sunami #ubuntu-es irc.freenode.net
19:15<dpkg>sunami: The channel you are looking for is #ubuntu-es on irc.freenode.net. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu-es. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.freenode.net/#ubuntu-es
19:15<babilen>sunami: click ^^^^
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21:51<Guest2201>hello any one can here me the's is q
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21:56<kd123>why do I keep getting the error: "Failed to fetch cdrom" when I try to install packages off an iso? I added the cdrom via 'apt-cdrom add'
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21:57<kd123>It will only install one package from the cd at a time. If you try to install multiple packages it fails after it fetches the first one.
21:59<kd123>does anyone have similar issues when installing packages off a cd?
22:03<kd123>hello is anyone here?
22:03<sney>I haven't seen that issue
22:04<sney>did you check the integrity of the iso when you downloaded it? also, did you burn it to a cd, and is the cd drive known good hardware?
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22:05<q__>hey is thes a free talk or no topic
22:05<sney>this is support for debian
22:05<sney>for free talk you can try #moocows
22:05<kd123>sney: yeah I've tried it with different dvds, and the dvd drive is only a few months old. It's in good shape
22:06<kd123>I noticed another user reporting the same problem here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/03/msg00596.html
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22:07<sney>is the drive making all the normal spinny noises when it gives those errors?
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22:07<kd123>could apt-get be running out of cache space when its fetching the packages off the drive?
22:07<kd123>sney: yeah you can hear the drive rotating like normal :)
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22:08<sney>apt caches on your hard drive so probably not
22:08<sney>unless you made /var really tiny
22:08<kd123>sney: this drive is particularly loud :)
22:08<kd123>sney: oh... no the root drive is large enough
22:09<kd123>sney: so /var should have enough space
22:09<Vambo>Good Evening! can someone point me to the general direction of configuring gdm3 to allow desktop choices?
22:09<kd123>I had this issue with lenny too. I'm using squeeze now, and it's throwing the same error.
22:10<sney>kd123: weird. and I guess installing packages over the internet isn't an option?
22:10<sney>Vambo: desktop choices? as in different window managers? under debian it should do this by default
22:10<kd123>sney: This computer is lacking an internet connection :P
22:11<Vambo>sney, yep thats what i want to do but I only get gnome-session
22:11<Vambo>metacity
22:11<Vambo><- would like E16
22:12<Vambo>No choices
22:12<sney>is e16 installed?
22:12<Vambo>yep I can kill gnome and run E16
22:12<kd123>sney: thanks for trying to help :)
22:13<sney>vambo: how was it installed?
22:13<Vambo>I have the scripts for e16 in /usr/share/xsession but /usr/share/sdm has nothing
22:13<Vambo>sney, using get-apt
22:14<Vambo>I lied sympatic package manager
22:14<Vambo>sympathetic
22:14<Vambo>that is
22:14<sney>hmm, the postinst should add it to your display manager. I don't have gdm installed currently so I can't go poking around, but check in /etc/default/gdm* and /etc/gdm* for relevant settings
22:14<sney>(synaptic)
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22:15<Vambo>cool perhaps I should have done a full reboot to have gdm re-read config filed
22:15<Vambo>thanks sney if it works, where do I send food?
22:16<kd123>It's strange because when running off a live squeeze cd it has no issue installing multiple packages from the disk.... but when running from the hd it will only install one package from the DVD at a time
22:16<sney>due north
22:16*Vambo knods I will be back to let you know...
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22:16<sney>kd123: I'd tell you to check the bug tracker but I don't know what package it'd be filed against, besides possibly apt-cdrom
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22:17<kd123>sney: yeah I know... Also when running apt-get update with only DVD sources it is fine.
22:18<kd123>sney: I've tried installing packages via apt-get, aptitude, and synaptic and they all throw the same error
22:18<gdzhang>can i use dpkg-buildpackage multi thread like make -j4,who know? help me, i compile something so slow..
22:19<sney>since it works one by one I wonder if it's trying to pull things simultanously and failing because optical doesn't do that
22:19<kd123>sney: ah that is a thought! I bet you are correct. Is there a way to set apt-get to pull packages sequential and not concurrently?
22:20<sney>dpkg: tell gdzhang about debian/rules
22:20<sney>I don't know offhand but it might be in the man page
22:21<sney>or you could do in the hacky way, make yourself a list of packages you want and script it one by one with a for loop. though that would take a lot of extra time
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22:22<kd123>sney: ok, let me take a look. Thanks :) I'll tell you what I find.
22:22<kd123>sney: yeah but what a pain :P
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22:25<valwak>Anybody here?
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22:25<kd123>hi valwak
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22:26<kd123>sney: I don't have an /etc/apt/apt.conf file. Could that be an issue? I installed debian on the computer using debootstrap via a live cd.
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22:28<gdzhang>thx sney
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22:29<sney>kd123: apt.conf would be empty by default so it doesn't exist on a base install. if you want to put things in apt.conf, create one
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22:31<kd123>sney: oh ok... maybe if I add a timeout like 'Acquire::file::Timeout "2";' it will allow the dvd a break between packages... I don't know
22:32<sney>!tias
22:32<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
22:32<kd123>sney: lol yeah :)
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22:51<kd123>sney: I think I found the answer! To set apt-get to fetch files one at a time you have to add this line to /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'Acquire::Queue-mode "access";'
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22:51<kd123>sney: I'll have to try it later, but I bet it works :) Thanks for the help!
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22:52<sney>np
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22:57<kd123>later :)
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23:37<Vambo>sney, I'm at a loss I gues I should be getting a window manager icon on the tool bar next to the "universal access" icon?
23:37<sney>I don't really know. I don't use gdm.
23:37<sney>repeat your original question and maybe someone else will know
23:37<Vambo>Aaa slim?
23:37<Vambo>k
23:38<sney>yeah or nothing at all
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23:39<Vambo><- has installe e16 but the gdm3 will not give me a option of selecting a windows manager - always gives me gnome without any options to change it
23:39<Vambo>sney, to use nothing at all, do you just come up in runlevel 3?
23:40<Vambo>then commandline to a winmanager?
23:40<sney>with startx
23:40<sney>alternatives handles which window manager I get.
23:40<Vambo>heh your not the only one who says that tonight
23:40<Vambo>:-)))
23:40<sney>I wonder if you could dig up the e17 login manager somewhere. that was pretty cool. entrance, I think it was called
23:40*Vambo looks at default-display-manager
23:41*Vambo compares rc3 and rc5
23:44-!-mode/#debian [+l 459] by debhelper
23:44<Vambo>Before I do that, can someone who has a window manager option on their gdm3, pm me a copy of their "greeter.gconf-defaults" file from /etc/gdm3 directory?
23:44<Vambo>would much appreciate it
23:44<Vambo>I simply think the a line is missing in the dabian package
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23:54*Vambo has figured out that config editor is using gdm instead of gdm3 I suspect wm scripts are doing the same thing wong
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