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---Logopened Fri Jul 15 00:00:59 2011
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01:13<Vambo>sney, I had to reinstall gdm3, dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 and lastly... invoke-rc.d gdm3 reload
01:13<Vambo>thank you for your time!
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01:49<pdtpatrick>Question ..saw this earlier -- "ar vx mypackage.deb" .. where is that ar tool?
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01:54<jm_>what do you mean where? it's in /usr/bin
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01:55<pdtpatrick>here's everything ^ar
01:55<pdtpatrick>arch arecord arecordmidi arm2hpdl
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01:56<jm_>!tell pdtpatrick -about search
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01:56<jm_>the apt-file related info from dpkg will help you
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02:00<pdtpatrick>jm_, did u have to install a package to get that or came with your standard system?
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02:01<jm_>pdtpatrick: binutils is optional
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02:04<pdtpatrick>jm_, thanks. It would be helpful if the wiki mentioned that u needed this package in order to follow along. Rather than assume you'll have it installed. Thanks again
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02:05<jm_>pdtpatrick: it's trivial to find which package provides given binary
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02:09<pdtpatrick>jm_ for instance.. if u type ar .. there's many possibilities to which it could belong to so that could be quite a chase. And it would be easy if u knew for instance ar should be in /usr/bin/ar then one can run apt-file search /usr/bin/ar and get the package name. But if you don't know -- then doing a search for ar (which is part of many words) could be a bit difficult? If you have a better way - im willing to learn.
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02:11<jm_>pdtpatrick: for binary gnereally a good option is to simply do: apt-file search 'bin/ar' or to be more restrictive apt-file -x search 'bin/ar$'
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02:16<chl501>a few questions. when using virtualbox ose, pae kernel would have influence on performance of a process inside the vm? in addition, would choosing nic intel pro/1000 mt server would better than PC fast III in vm?
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02:24<vook>question. I need to tunnel through host X to access host Y, but on host Y I need to access a freenx server (via port 22). Is this possible ? If I do -L 22:localhost:22 (with ssh), it will eessentially kill it's own ssh access right ? Any ideas ?
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02:26<vook>I love asking these story problems...
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02:27<vook>ah! I can redirect port 22 on host Y to a different port. nm
02:27<jm_>you can use proxy command in ssh to do this if I understand you correctly
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02:30<jm_>no worries
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02:36<vook>yeah, weird -L 2022:localhost:22 doesn't work well - authentication failing.
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02:38<Gerowen>I'm trying to secure my Samba server for browsing by both a Linux laptop and a Windows 7 desktop
02:40<th>vook, where do you run that ssh command? host Z?
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02:47<Gerowen>I added browseable = true and security = share to the global section and was finally able to open the folder on my win7 box, but it is authenticating me as guest
02:47<Gerowen>The only way to modify the files is to chmod a+rwx it, and I don't want to do that, I've got some groups set up for certain folders
02:48<Gerowen>All I want to do is have it actually authenticate me as me so I don't have to open everything up
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02:52<bones_was_here>Gerowen: windows does tend to have stupid behavior with regard file sharing... at work samba is kerberized and only allows windows machines to connect if they provide the user's ticket, at home i have only 1 share that windows computers can access and its globally writable without password because i couldn't be bothered trying to get it working for all the different versions of windows :p
02:52<bones_was_here>maybe try #samba on freenode
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02:53<Gerowen>Yeah, it works just fine from my Linux laptop to the Linux server, but Windows is being a pain, I'm gonna just a+rwx it and move my sensitive files to another drive, thanks!
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04:12<pravin>r u there
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04:14<pravin>is there any one
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04:16<pravin>hi m pravin
04:16<pravin>need ur help
04:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
04:17<pravin>i m debian user debian lenny 5 on my device with mips arche
04:17<pravin>i written a script which will copy the contnt from usb to device when device is booting
04:18<pravin>but i cant see the debug message on my screen as the kernel image i m using is preempt and our developer might hv switch off verbos mode
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04:19<chl501>Is it correct to have /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf with value net.ipv6.bindv6only=0, if I need my app to talk in ipv4 only?
04:19<pravin>i ji just want to see that wen i connect usb to device and will boot it it copies files to device and it should show cpmplition status on device screen
04:20<pravin>can you help me how can i do that
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04:32<dpkg>net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 was set in netbase 4.38, no longer set by default since netbase 4.42 (BTS #560238). net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 breaks networking in Java for sun-java6-jdk (BTS #560044). For older Squeeze installations, use "sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart" to revert.
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04:34<flakk>hello people I am trying to get an internet access through dhcp in my new squeeze debian box. i have a problem: the #network-admin does display the item "connections" at all. anyhelp?
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04:53<pharm>Anyone else had their gnome-panel disapper? It seems to be causingthe X server to burn cpu as well.
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04:58<mehmeh>hello, i have spilled coffee on my laptop and now my keyboard turns off at random times for some reason. i was wondering if linux is capable to reset the keyboard with some command...
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04:59<mehmeh>because if i suspend the laptop, like in stand by, the keyboard works
04:59<mehmeh>when i power it back
05:00<mehmeh>the thing is, i can't always suspend it because that breaks my network connection and i can't have that. any solution please ?
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05:03<mehmeh>btw, restarting GDM didn't worked. at least that didn't reset my network connection
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05:12<fnmueller>mehmeh: seriously, just clean your laptop / keybiard
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05:13<mehmeh>i think it's damaged...
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05:13<mehmeh>but also i have no idea how to open it up
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05:13<devil>mehmeh: screwdriver?
05:13<mehmeh>it's a hp pavillion and they make them so you can't open then
05:13<mehmeh>no screwes
05:13<devil>mehmeh: seriously?
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05:14<mehmeh>there is a lid
05:14<devil>cant believe that
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05:14<cpatrick08> hp pavillion what
05:14<mehmeh>dv6600 series
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05:14<mehmeh>i have checked the tech manual
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05:14<mehmeh>and they show the order of things to remove in order to access the cpu etc
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05:15<devil>mehmeh: how do you get to change the harddisk?
05:15<mehmeh>and first step is removing the fromtal thing around the keyboard, and when i've tried, it broked a corned
05:15<mehmeh>so i said, better leave it like that
05:15<mehmeh>the hdd is on the other side
05:15<mehmeh>you can access it with screwes
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05:16<mehmeh>also the ram
05:16<mehmeh>and the wireless card
05:16<cpatrick08>mehmeh, try this link
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05:16<devil>ah, so no screws for the kbd
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05:16<mehmeh>yes devil
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05:17<mehmeh>cpatrick08 check step 6
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05:17<mehmeh>that's where something went wrong and it craked
05:17<mehmeh>i'm aware of the tutorials
05:18<mehmeh>so i'm looking for a soft reset command rather than have a super glued laptop
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05:20<devil>mehmeh: i would have it cleaned by a notebook-service
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05:20<mehmeh>yea, but i'd rather buy a usb keyboard than paying them the price i could buy a bluetooth one
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05:24<rpetre>mehmeh: you forgot to factor in the trouble of having to deal with an external keyboard :)
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05:26<fnmueller>mehmeh: coffee in laptop might also lead to some other permanent oder non-permanent malfunction. In the end, the whole thing could just rust away.
05:26<mehmeh>yea but it was a very small spill
05:26<rpetre>all in all, the price of buying the part or having it cleaned by service may be worth it after all
05:26<mehmeh>and it dried out
05:27<rpetre>don't attempt to clean it yourself, it takes a few broken keys until you learn the trick to reassemble it (i know)
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05:30<devil>yeah, notebook-keyboards are a PITA to reassemble. disassembling is easy ;)
05:34<rpetre>made me feel like a 5-year-old again :) 5 minutes to disassemble, 1 hour to reassemble
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05:49<mehmeh>i think my solution is to manual reinstall the keyboard drivers each time it turns off. but i have no idea how to do it
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05:51<coolGuy>Can't seem to get X to work properly
05:52<coolGuy>screen is small and doesn't cover the whole monitor screen
05:52<coolGuy>also refresh rate shows as 0
05:52<devil>coolGuy: any relevant info at hand? :)
05:53<devil>coolGuy: like pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
05:53<coolGuy>ah, one moment
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05:56<_chaos_>i managed to fuck up my debian good :)
05:56<scardinal>_chaos_: you chose an apropriate nick then ;)
05:56<cliworksbetter>Debian fonts suck, regardless of whether or not you install the ttf-mttcorefonts (that doesn't seem to be the issue, by the way). Interestingly, this doesn't happen in ubuntu and it looks very different even if you use exactly the same set of fonts. What could be causing this? graphic card drivers? lack of auto-hinting/aliasing?
05:57<_chaos_>upgraded to wheezy and my /dev/disks/ is gone
05:57<fnmueller>_chaos_: go to #d-next
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05:57<_chaos_> <-- that's what i get on boot
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05:58<bernat>cliworksbetter: iirc there was some patch for debian libs to fix it
05:58<cliworksbetter>bernat: what does iirc mean? (besides Internet RElay Chat)
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05:58<cliworksbetter>ok, "If I remember correctly" ?
05:59<themill>cliworksbetter: there is no way that debian would be relying on msttcorefonts for nice fonts. Think about it.
05:59<coolGuy>devil, here is my Xorg.0.log file.
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05:59<bernat>cliworksbetter: a fast google search showed me this:
05:59<cliworksbetter>themill: yeah, what I am trying to say is that the solution is not about installer other fonts but about how the already installed fonts are displayed
06:01<devil>coolGuy: sorry, this is not debian
06:01<coolGuy>It's a debian derivative, tho
06:01<coolGuy>it's a live distro
06:01<devil>coolGuy: well, this is the debian channel. i never heard of privatix
06:02<_chaos_>fnmueller, what's that<
06:02<bernat>_chaos_: channel #debian-next
06:02<devil>coolGuy: as a hint: you got hundreds of lines with: (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUTCMAP: Invalid argument
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06:02<cliworksbetter>bernat: thanks
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06:03<coolGuy>Yeah, I saw that, I'll google it
06:03<cliworksbetter>bernat: by the way, how are you able to live with debian fonts? doesn't it feel uncomfortable to you?
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06:05<bernat>I use testing/unstable in my desktop machines and I think they don't look so bad, don't know if it's me or they've fixed it
06:05<devil>coolGuy: also, if it is a live-cd, give it some cheatcodes. like xmodule=vesa xres=[your desired resolution]
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06:05<coolGuy>yeah, I may try that, thanks
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06:06<_chaos_>umm... that channel doesn't seem to be alive :\
06:07<bernat>_chaos_: alive or not, questions about testing/unstable go there
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06:14<mehmeh>any idea how should i script a command like ctrl+alt+f1 so i can run it without a keyboard? is it possible ?
06:14<Bushmills>mehmeh: chvt 1
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06:16<Bushmills>comes from package kbd
06:17<mehmeh>@PC:~$ chvt 1
06:17<mehmeh>Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console
06:17<Bushmills>or console-tools. not sure which one
06:17<Bushmills>try running as root, or suid it
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06:28<mehmeh_ghost>thanks Bushmills it worked
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06:28<mehmeh_ghost>but lol, my keyboard didn't worked in command mode as well
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06:28<mehmeh_ghost>had to hard reset it
06:28<mehmeh_ghost>at least i've tried it :)
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06:29<mehmeh>thank you for the help everyone, i'm buying a usb kbd
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06:31<etenil>Hi there
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06:37<etenil>I'm having a problem with the package libpam-ck-connector, the installation (or uninstallation) of the package is just stuck with it
06:38<etenil>I couldn't manage to install it as it's stuck at the "setting up libpam-ck-connector" stage, and I can't remove with 'dpkg -r' either
06:38<etenil>what can I do to sort this out without reinstalling debian?
06:38<bernat>no error message?
06:38<etenil>nothing, it justs sits there
06:38<etenil>yes, squeeze
06:39<jm_>check process tree (pstree)
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06:40<etenil>it's doing "pam-auth-update"
06:41<jm_>which is a perl script
06:41<lindi->pam-auth-update: update /etc/pam.d/common-* from /usr/share/pam-configs
06:42<jm_>maybe it tried to show a debconf question and you don't see it or whatever
06:42<etenil>but then I don't know what to do about it
06:42<lindi->there are several loops that might not terminate
06:42<etenil>maybe I'll try from a tty instead
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06:43<lindi->bug #601825 [i| |=] [libpam-runtime] libpam-runtime: Loops on "No PAM profiles have been selected" in some installation case
06:44<lindi->"I've looked at this a couple times more while going
06:44<lindi->through the pam bugs, but have come up with no ideas as to the cause
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06:45<lindi->etenil: do you have time? maybe we could ask Steve to join the conversation here?
06:45<etenil>well it work this time
06:45<etenil>from tty
06:45<etenil>or maybe I was just lucky
06:45<lindi->etenil: oh no, so you don't see the bug anymore?
06:45<etenil>I seemed to have a zombie pam-auth-update process though
06:46<etenil>had to kill it with -9 message
06:46<etenil>although I didn't see any error message of any kind
06:46<lindi->etenil: you can't kill zombies with kill -9
06:47<bernat>maybe it wasn't this bug, he didn't get an error message
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06:48<nshine>hey all, i have installed the samba package from the official repo, but from time to time (some hours) it just "stop" - not the service it self, but it seems like the listening port (139) is down, nmbd keep listening but smbd is just stop
06:48<nshine>i was trying to restart the service, didnt help, only reboot is helping, any ideas?
06:49<lindi->etenil: can you try to make the bug occur again?
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06:50<bernat>nshine: see the logs in /var/log/samba
06:50<etenil>lindi-: I'd rather not :D
06:50<lindi->etenil: well we'd like to fix the problem very much
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06:51<etenil>well I only need to uninstall/reinstall it?
06:51<lindi->etenil: possibly
06:52<etenil>there you go
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06:52<etenil>it seems pretty reproductible
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06:52<etenil>it does that only when started from xterm
06:52<etenil>it seems to work fine in tty
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06:52<etenil>if there's any test you'd like me to do, fire away
06:53<lindi->etenil: It's Steve who'd probably know what to test
06:53<lindi->etenil: are you going to be here later today?
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06:55<etenil>yup, I re-confirm, it works just fine in TTY
06:55<jm_>etenil: how is your debconf front-end configured?
06:55<etenil>I don't know what you mean by that
06:55<etenil>sorry, I'm afraid I'm not a debian wizard yet
06:56<jm_>debconf-show debconf | grep frontend
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06:56<etenil>debconf/frontend Dialog
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06:57<jm_>ok so that's likely not it
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06:58<lindi->etenil: kill the pam-auth-update process
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06:58<lindi->etenil: does running "pam-auth-update --package" manually as root also loop?
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06:59<etenil>in xterm or tty?
06:59<jm_>i'd just run it through perl with PERLDB_OPTS to trace it
07:00<etenil>could you explain how I do this?
07:01<lindi->etenil: you can try both in tty and xterm
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07:03<jm_>etenil: first try running it manually to see if you can reproduce the bug
07:03<lindi->etenil: if it behaves differently it should not be hard to figure out the cause
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07:06<etenil>pam-auth-update is stuck when started in xterm
07:06<etenil>it runs fine in tty
07:06<etenil>both as root without sudo
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07:08<treaki>hello, i want to install debian on a Power Macintosh 7600/132
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07:08<treaki>what i have to do for that?
07:08<treaki>i think i need a floppy image to boot but...
07:08<treaki>in the squeeze folder there are only cd images
07:09<treaki>and the images from dosnt work..
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07:10<flakk>Hi people I amtrying to connect to Internet from my new squeeze box through DHCP. The standard way to do this - through #network-admin does not work. any help?
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07:10<devil>flakk: #network-admin?
07:11<flakk>devil: yes
07:11<lindi->etenil: great
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07:11<devil>flakk: please be more verbose. is this wired or wireless?
07:11<jm_>etenil: man perlrun, search for PERLDB_OPTS
07:11<devil>flakk: and what is #network-admin?
07:13<lindi->etenil: script -c 'PERLDB_OPTS="NonStop=1 AutoTrace=1 frame=2" perl -dS /usr/sbin/pam-auth-update --package'
07:13<etenil>lindi-: I try
07:13<lindi->etenil: that should produce a file named "typescript"
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07:13<lindi->etenil: so rename it to typescript.tty and typescript.xterm
07:14<flakk>devil: wired connection ADSL in fact. I succeeded once to make the connectin through pppoe but it does not work any more. I would prefer dhcp anyway. #network-admin is a toolfor configuring the internet connections
07:14<flakk>see for example
07:14<lindi->etenil: so maybe even script -f -c 'PERLDB_OPTS="NonStop=1 AutoTrace=1 frame=2" perl -dS /usr/sbin/pam-auth-update --package' typescript.tty
07:14<lindi->etenil: and script -f -c 'PERLDB_OPTS="NonStop=1 AutoTrace=1 frame=2" perl -dS /usr/sbin/pam-auth-update --package' typescript.xterm
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07:15<etenil>lindi-: got it
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07:19<flakk>treaki: i thought one can not instlal another OS on a MAc machine
07:21<treaki>@flakk its sould work look at
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07:22<flakk>treaki OK then it is just my ignorance
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07:25<devil>flakk: can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces?
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07:30<devil>flakk: from a quick glance, anything below line 10 is not needed normaly
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07:31<flakk>ok so how do i launch the connection
07:32<etenil>lindi-: In TTY: and in xterm:
07:33<etenil>dunno if it helps at all though
07:33<etenil>note that I've rebooted my machine between the tests
07:33<etenil>and now pam-auth-update runs in xterm
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07:34<etenil>maybe it was related to another process that got terminated when shutting down the PC
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07:36<bernat>etenil: why did you reboot? something related to the problem?
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07:42<flakk>I have another problem with squeeze: no sound. any help?
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07:43<jm_>!alsa checklist
07:43<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
07:43<jm_>flakk: ^^^^
07:44<flakk>jm_ thanx trying
07:44<jm_>flakk: also run: cat /proc/asound/cards
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07:46<flakk>the user is already member of audio
07:46<jm_>yeah that's the default nowadays
07:46<jm_>the factoid is a bit older
07:46<lindi->etenil: ok
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07:46<lindi->etenil: the trace indeed shows that both exit successfully
07:47<flakk>and this is good - also the keyboard managing is great in squ
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07:49<etenil>bernat: no, I rebooted to get my graphics card running with the right drivers
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07:50<steki>i have a problem packing an application
07:51<steki>i want to use the dbconfig scripts
07:51<steki>but the script doesn't create a password
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07:51<steki>it just leaves it empty
07:51<Black_Prince>steki, for packaging questions join #debian-mentors
07:51<steki>ty ;)
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07:51<flakk>jm_ the section headphon in alsamixer is "MM" - does that mean mute?
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07:52<jm_>flakk: yes
07:52<flakk>how do i unmute it?
07:53<jm_>flakk: press F1 for help, you can also use a GUI version of alsamixer if you prefer that
07:53<flakk>oh both Masters are a lso unmute
07:53<jm_>well if they are unmuted then that's fine
07:53<jm_>for example yes
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07:54<Black_Prince>flakk, what sound card do you have?
07:54<flakk>1 sec
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07:55<swex_h>can anybody help me with apt-get prlm
07:56<flakk>I do not have a dedicatd sound card - just a motherboard
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07:56<Black_Prince>flakk, intel?
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07:57<swex_h>my apt-get update returns me
07:57<swex_h>E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
07:57<swex_h>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/
07:57<swex_h>E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened
07:58<jm_>swex_h: did you try any other mirrors?
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07:58<flakk><Black_Prince> alsamixer says intel ich5
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07:59<Black_Prince>flakk, and model?
07:59<swex_h>jm_, same thig with others
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07:59<jm_>swex_h: are you using some kind of a proxy?
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07:59<swex_h>jm_, no, but im under nat, cause of virtual machine
08:00<jm_>swex_h: what's md5sum of that file:
08:01<swex_h>jm_, d84ea6521deaeaf680d0bc0494b102c2
08:01<jm_>swex_h: I downloaded it and when uncompressing it I get b4074460f17e47205ebd859c53299a21
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08:02<swex_h>hm ok
08:02<jm_>swex_h: hmm but your error is complaining about merge lists
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08:03<jm_>swex_h: did you check if there are any kernel errors in dmesg output? did you try removing (or moving them elsewhere) files in /var/lib/apt/lists/* ?
08:04<swex_h>tryed to remove all files
08:05<swex_h>no errors in dmesg
08:05<swex_h>jm_, ..
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08:06<jm_>swex_h: hmm can't try that mirror myself now
08:07<swex_h>jm_, I've got the same with any mirror...
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08:07<swex_h>jm_, seems like problem isn't in mirror something broken in apt..
08:07<thewanderer>what package do I install to enable Internet radio in rhythmbox, again?
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08:07<jm_>swex_h: that sounds unlikely or many other people will experience it
08:08<swex_h>jm_, tried to clear apt cache and clean lists/*
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08:09<swex_h>jm_, looks like i just cant fetch packages..
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08:10<bernat>swex_h: I've experienced a similar problem and fixed it removing the bad files, I don't remember more details though
08:11<swex_h>bernat, ))) thx thats very helpful!)
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08:11<swex_h>I'm googlin it for about 2 hours and still no glue..
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08:12<bernat>swex_h: do you get the same file and complains again?
08:12<jm_>swex_h: perhaps try to use apt's debug options to see what is going on
08:13<swex_h>bernat, yep
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08:14<mattcen>Hi all. My server has both tty[0-4] and ttyS0 usable as consoles (so I can view either on local head, or via serial).
08:15<mattcen>How can I output messages such as 'Starting <service>...' and (when in recovery mode) 'Give root password for maintenance' etc to either both tty0 and ttyS0, or just ttyS0?
08:15<mattcen>currently all this output is on tty0 only
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08:16<swex_h>jm_, bernat : miracle I changet mirror and ... problem solved
08:16<jm_>swex_h: heh
08:16<thewanderer>mattcen: -- search for console=
08:17<jm_>mattcen: some more details in serial-console.txt
08:17<bernat>swex_h: your download was going wrong for some reason, maybe your network
08:18<thewanderer>mattcen: as far as I know, you can't output the messages (printk and friends) to many places - there is only one stdin and one stdout for the kernel itself
08:18<jm_>thewanderer: actually serial-console.txt says you can
08:18<thewanderer>jm_: hm okay
08:19<thewanderer>so multiple output, single input
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08:25<mattcen>Ah ok, so the *last* console defined displays /dev/console (which shows the output I was looking for), rather than the first (which is what I'd have expected)
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08:26<mattcen>jm_: Where are you looking for the multiple output bit? I can see that *kernel* messages appear on multiple consoles, but not other (printk?) messages
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08:28<jm_>mattcen: <jm_> mattcen: some more details in serial-console.txt
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08:29<mattcen>jm_: I meant, where in serial-console.txt. I can't see (or am overlooking) the bit you're referring to
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08:30<jm_>mattcen: You can specify multiple console= ...
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08:31<mattcen>Ah, OK, then I've misunderstood what you were implying (or you've misunderstood exactly what console= does).
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08:32<mattcen>Yes, I have the following: console=tty0 console=ttyS0,38400n8
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08:34<mattcen>This outputs kernel messages to both ttys (and later, I start a getty on both). But messages about services going up/down, and (i suspect) fsck progress will still only appear on the last tty specified by the last console= argument
08:34<jm_>yes I reread it and I see I got it backwards, sorry
08:35<mattcen>OK, cool. Well at least I know that I can change which tty displays that output by re-ordering the arguments, so that's a small win. Thanks guys
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08:42<Classical>what was the name of the package that gives you ability to use mouse cursor in virtual terminal ?
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08:43<Classical>i forget the name of it can someone reminder me ?
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08:44<_chaos_>which uk mirror supports squeeze<
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08:44<_chaos_>i tried and both failed :P
08:44<jm_>Classical: gpm
08:45<Classical>jm_, oh thanks
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08:54<_chaos_>anybody got any guesses why i can't fetch packages to install squeeze from ftp.*
08:54<petemc>what happens when you try?
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08:55<_chaos_>WARNING **: mirror does not support the specified release (squeeze)
08:55<_chaos_>from the debug screen
08:56<petemc>can you pastebin your sources.list
08:56<_chaos_>i'm running an install cd
08:56<_chaos_>i have no sources.list
08:56<petemc>which cd are you using?
08:57<_chaos_>well... can't really say some1 else put it in the box :)
08:57<petemc>can you see the url its trying to access?
08:58<jm_>check other tty-s - alt-f2 alt-f3 ...
08:58<jm_>but off now
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08:58<_chaos_>wget -q -O - | grep -E '^(Suite|Codename):'
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09:13<lexi>I'm having trouble installing debian stable
09:13<_chaos_>join the club :P
09:13<lexi>it's saying that it can't install grub
09:13<Classical>lexi, error ?
09:14<lexi>only if I get a laminate membership card
09:14<lexi>I didn't get an error except could not install grub onto sda
09:14<lexi>how do I get the full error
09:14<lexi>it's in graphical mode...
09:14<Classical>lexi, switch to virtual console
09:14<lexi>how do I do that?
09:15<Classical>ctrl alt f1 f2
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09:15<Classical>to come back in graphical mode use ctrl + alt + f7
09:16<lexi>ok, will have to restart the installation was about to give up and so shutdown machine
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09:16<lexi>also I have two harddrives.. is it possible to encrypt them both with the same password and have only to type it in once
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09:17<lindi->lexi: just use LVM to combine them
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09:17<lexi>ok but they are dramaticly different in speed I want to be able to differenciate between them
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09:19<sissie>HI could someone help ? I'm trying to install Math::Pari (tried with Cpan and source without success)
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09:27<geek>never mind
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09:36<ayaka>welcome back dpkg
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09:36<_chaos_>dpkg left?
09:36<dpkg>Don't you just hate when a user leaves right in the middle of your writing a reply?
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09:36*_chaos_ slaps dpkg
09:36<rpetre>!beer dpkg
09:36*dpkg deftly decants a fine Stone Arrogant Bastard for dpkg
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09:37<_chaos_>my box is killing me ... i burnt a live cd but it won't boot from it even tho another box did boot from the same dvd!
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09:44<lindi->_chaos_: try usb?
09:45<_chaos_>i don't think this mobo supports usb boot :)
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09:46<abrotman>burn at a slower rate .. and does the other system have a CD or DVD drive?
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09:47<_chaos_>i only have dvd-rw drives :)
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09:47<_chaos_>trying a knoppix now .. if that fails too i'll try burning @ 2x
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09:48<_chaos_>but 1x ... yuck!
09:49<lexi>ok I got it installed
09:49<lexi>must have made a mistake partitioning it
09:51<flakk>hi people I have problems with sound in my new squeeze box - there is no sound
09:51<flakk>any help?
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09:54<Bushmills>insert an audio card?
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09:55<Bushmills>if he had one, he surely had let us know which one.
09:55<Bushmills>he didn't, ergo he doesn't have one
09:56<flakk>Bushmills - sorry do not understand what you suggest. I so not have a dedicated audio card - only tha motherboard.
09:56<Bushmills>you motherboard doesn't seem to come with audio controller
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09:57<Bushmills>insert an audio card
09:57<flakk>Bushmills - well I used it all the times with lenny and it worked
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09:57<flakk>just 3 days ago )
09:57<Bushmills>you didn't quite pick up the hint of "not letting us know which one", did you?
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09:59<flakk>alsamixergui says Intel Ich5
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10:02<devil>flakk: as you are in alsamixer already, check if everything is unmuted and vol up
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10:05<flakk>devil: I unmuted all three masters columns - and the column Headphon also - but the column headphon has only one cell namely OO and I can not do "vol up"
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10:06<clegg>okay guys
10:06<clegg>im having some problems with my iceweasel
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10:07<_chaos_>burnt dvd @ 2.4x still can't boot from it
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10:07<lexi>how do I find drivers for my graphics card... they don't need to be amazing, just able to show the right resolutions
10:07<_chaos_>and i just checked the bios no usb boot option
10:08<lexi>is there a database of hardware
10:08<lexi>I can search in
10:08<devil>lexi: do we know your card?
10:08<_chaos_>i would start @ producers homepage
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10:09<lexi>1GB AMD RADEON™ HD6670 - DVI,HDMI,VGA - DX® 11
10:09<MTecknology>I'm trying to do an automated install process. I was wondering how hard it would be to make the install cd (using the net install disk) automatically select the Automated Install option, add a kernel parameter, then answec No to 'Load CD drivers from removable Media?' then 'Yes' and '/dev/cdrom' and 'eth0' to the next three that pop up
10:09<Bushmills>lexi: drivers for what program? xorg?
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10:10<clegg>so I was doing apt-get update, and then I get this: W: Failed to fetch
10:10<clegg>Unable to find expected entry iceweasel-5.0/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
10:10<lexi>for gnome..?
10:10<clegg>E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
10:10<Bushmills>gnome does't need own drivers. gnome programs talk to X
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10:10<_chaos_>clegg fix your /etc/apt/sources.list :)
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10:11<clegg>hmmm, I'll have a look
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10:11<Bushmills>just using "ati" as video driver should do. xorg should even detect that by itself
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10:12<lexi>Bushmills: well I started it up and it load up gnome etc
10:12<lexi>but the resolution is wrong
10:12<lexi>and it won't let me change it to higher
10:12<lexi>than 1280*1024
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10:12<Bushmills>how do you try to change resolution?
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10:13<lexi>through the gnome interface
10:13<lexi>hmm good point
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10:14<clegg>okay so I have this in my sources.list:
10:14<clegg>deb squeeze-updates main contrib
10:14<clegg>deb squeeze main
10:14<clegg># deb-src squeeze-updates main contrib
10:14<clegg>deb squeeze-backports iceweasel-5.0
10:14<Bushmills>preferred method to change resolution is nowadays by using xrandr. alternatively, specify reoslutions in an xorg config file which you'd have to create for that purpose.
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10:15<Bushmills>what and how the gnome interface changes resolutions, i can't tell
10:15<lexi>xrandr says the maximum is 1280 * 1024
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10:15<Bushmills>xrandr allows to configure new modes
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10:16<lexi>however the monitor is built for 1920 * 1024
10:18<Bushmills>there's also a xserver-xorg-video-radeon driver, instead of xserver-xorg-video-ati
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10:19<clegg>what should I do in my sources.list then
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10:19<clegg>looks cool to me
10:19<lexi>Bushmills: that seems to be installed
10:20<lexi>tried installing the proprietary drivers too
10:20<lexi>but they couldn't detect the graphics card
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10:33<JuanDosSantos1991>What I should use, aptitude or apt-get ???
10:33<lindi->JuanDosSantos1991: only one question mark :-)
10:34<JuanDosSantos1991>I like three :) :) :)
10:34<devil>JuanDosSantos1991: coffee or tea?
10:34<JuanDosSantos1991>devil: coffee
10:34<devil>JuanDosSantos1991: ok, so apt :)
10:34<babilen>!tell JuanDosSantos1991 -about why aptitude
10:34<babilen>!tell JuanDosSantos1991 -about why not aptitude
10:34<clegg>anyone know why I cant update my Iceweasel then?
10:34<devil>clegg: from?
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10:35<devil>clegg: you want 6/7?
10:35<clegg>I got a triangle in the notification area in GNOME telling me that its old
10:35<devil>iceweasel 5 is not old
10:35<babilen>JuanDosSantos1991: I prefer aptitude and have not regretted that choice. The main reasons for this choice comprise: 1. Vastly superiour search functionality 2. Interactive dependency resolution
10:35<clegg>no I want to apt-get update without error messages
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10:36<devil>clegg: well, do you have debian.mozilla in your sources.list?
10:36<clegg>deb squeeze-backports iceweasel-5.0
10:36<clegg>it says
10:36<babilen>JuanDosSantos1991: There are however situations in which it is not the right choice, so in short: Use the right tool for the job.
10:37<JuanDosSantos1991>babilen: a.e on dist-upgrade You should use apt-get
10:37<devil>clegg: ummh, no idea about backports for mozilla
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10:38<lexi>ok I managed to find a more up to date driver
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10:38<babilen>JuanDosSantos1991: Not necessarily, but for the lenny->squeeze update it is the recommended tool and I use apt-get for dist-upgrades (in the meaning of "upgrading between releases")
10:38<lexi>that recognised my card
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10:38<babilen>clegg: What error do you get?
10:38<lexi>but for some reason it still doesn't use the full size of the monitor
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10:39<clegg>Unable to find expected entry iceweasel-5.0/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
10:39<clegg>E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
10:39<babilen>clegg: I guess it is due to the reorganisation of the repository -- -- But that is a shot in the dark as I haven't seen any errors/output yet.
10:39<JuanDosSantos1991>babilen: Have You noticed mysql-server problems on upgrade from lenny to squeeze?
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10:39<JuanDosSantos1991>I need always to purge mysql-server and reinstall it...
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10:40<babilen>JuanDosSantos1991: Yes, I am aware of the recommendation for lenny->squeeze. No, I haven't as I use postgres whereever I can ;)
10:40<JuanDosSantos1991>babilen: ah ok :)
10:40<clegg>nice google-fu, babilen ^_^ ill have a look at this
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10:41<babilen>clegg: You might want to consider to read -- no google-fu involved in this case. :)
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10:44<clegg>so what are these "channels" then
10:44<clegg>it said in the blog that i need to update my sources.list to the corresponding channel
10:44<fnmueller> - I guess - have a look
10:45<flakk>Hi people I havae a problem with my new squeeze box - there is no sound. I fulfilled the recs given by dpkg as !alsa checklist but still no sound. any help?
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10:47<lexi>there is a large gap around my desktop
10:48<clegg>so I should just replace where it says "iceweasel-5.0" in my sources.list with "iceweasel-release"?
10:48<fnmueller>clegg: I would say so
10:48<lexi>the screen is the correct resolution for the monitor but for some reason it's still not working
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10:51<fnmueller>$b_{ic} gibt in einer multiplen regressionsanalyse an, in wie wit eine unabhängige ariable einen Beitrag zur Erklärung aller anderen unabhängigen Variablen in der Gleichung hinausgeht.
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10:52<fnmueller>argl, wrong programm, sorry
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10:52<clegg>perfect, it worked!
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10:52<clegg>thank you gentlemen
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10:53<Bushmills>lexi: proprietary driver?
10:53<Bushmills>i suppose ATI/AMD is the best address for support with proprietary stuff
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10:55<anirban>i think its nvidia
10:55<flakk>I found my audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
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10:55<anirban>nvidia support better then ati/amd
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10:56<lexi>had I known that
10:56<lexi>would have went with nvidia
10:57<anirban>ati did not support old cards
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10:58<lexi>Bushmills: is there anything within debian that controls the size of the screen
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11:00<Bushmills>the size of screen is given by hardware. the displayed resolution and virtual screen resolution by software. xorg, in your case
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11:01<lexi>ok so it's probably more my monitors fault than anything else
11:01<lexi>unless I use vga instead of hdmi
11:01<lexi>that might work
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11:02<Bushmills>"the size of the screen" - that's a hardware characteristic. measured in inches or cm
11:02<fnmueller>lexi: those screens normally have an on-scrren menu where corrections may be applied
11:02<fnmueller>I need a new keyboard
11:03<anirban>lexi, you can set via xrander
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11:03<lexi>hmm ok vga works.. hdmi doesn't
11:04<lexi>will have a look at that later... for now it will do
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11:06<flakk>Hi people I havae a problem with my new squeeze box - there is no sound. I fulfilled the recs given by dpkg as !alsa checklist but still no sound. any help?
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11:07<sney>flakk: what sound device?
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11:10<flakk>sney: I do not know. so far I know the name and detalis of my sound card. Is this what you are asking for? i am sorry I am not an expert
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11:11<sney>flakk: run lspci -nn , find your sound card in the list, and tell me the part of the line that looks like [abcd:1234]
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11:17<flakk>sney: there are several lines citing my sound card the numbers you ask for are 8086:24d2, 8086:24d7 , 8086:24de and several others
11:17<sney>only one of them is your sound card
11:17<sney>the rest are other integrated intel devices
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11:18<sney>all three of those were usb devices, please find the one that actually says 'audio controller'
11:19<flakk>you are right sorry the correct line is 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:24d5] (rev 02)
11:19<sney>,pciid 8086:24d5
11:19<judd>[8086:24d5] is '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-intel8x0' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-intel8x0' module.
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11:19<sney>do 'lsmod' and see if snd-intel8x0 is loaded
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11:20<flakk>snd_intel8x0 19595 3
11:20<flakk>is the answer to lsmod
11:20<flakk>so i guess it is loaded?
11:21<sney>run speaker-test -t wav
11:22<flakk>err - it works
11:22<bernat>/proc/asound/ may give more info
11:22<flakk>Time per period = 1.472024 0 - Front Left
11:22<sney>ok, so your hardware and drivers are fine, you just have a possible permissions issue
11:22<flakk>and so on
11:22<sney>sound comes out?
11:22<sney>well that's not "works"
11:23<sney>try running it as root
11:23<flakk>i meant to say that speaker-test -t wav is oupputting constantly some numbers like Time per period = 1.472024 0 - Front Left
11:23<bernat>flakk: you mean "no errors"
11:23<flakk>yes i am sorry i am not an expert
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11:24<sney>flakk: does sound come out if you run the speaker-test command as root?
11:24<bernat>have you looked at /proc/asound/cards and devices?
11:25<flakk>sney: no there is no sound even as root
11:26<sney>how many entries are there in /proc/asound/cards?
11:26<fnmueller>flakk: did you make sure everything is hooked up correctly and turned on?
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11:27<flakk>0 [ICH5 ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH5 Intel ICH5 with AD1888 at irq 17
11:27<flakk>= /proc/asound/cards
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11:27<sney>ok hmm
11:28<flakk>alsamixergui does not allow me to up the volume
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11:28<flakk>lenny aloowed though
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11:32<flakk>of course it can happen that my motherboard is defective but i really had normal sound only 3 days ago (with lenny)
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11:33<sney>flakk: did you upgrade from lenny to squeeze or did you reinstall?
11:34<flakk>from 3 cds
11:34<flakk>once i tried to upgrade from sarge to lenny I willnever do it again
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11:35<flakk>sney - anyway thanks a lot for your help
11:35<flakk>i get to go now
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12:04<treaki>nobody knows... ;( i will go off, bye
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12:41<_chaos_>what's /etc/NetworkManager/ ... how do i get rid of it?
12:42<_chaos_>poking the /etc/network/interfaces file is just dandy for me :(
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12:44<drucik>hi guys, know somebody if i can install amd64 bit kernel on installed 32bit installation debian system ? (procesor is 64bit)
12:44<lindi->drucik: sure, just apt-get install it
12:44<drucik>but how
12:44<drucik>i need change repositories ?
12:44<lindi->drucik: no
12:44<drucik>because aptitude still search only 32 bit appliccation
12:44<lindi->drucik: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64
12:45<lindi->drucik: how did you search?
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12:45<drucik>lindi-: oh, it works, thks
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12:45<drucik>aptitude search kernel not searched it
12:46<drucik>but now is good
12:46<lindi->drucik: you should search for linux-image instead
12:47<lindi->drucik: "apt-cache search kernel" does list it
12:47<drucik>lindi-: hmm, yes, but i used aptitude search :)
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12:48<drucik>but doesn't matter, problem solved :)
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12:50<lexi>I have a second hard drive
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12:50<lexi>my first hard drive is encrypted
12:50<lexi>I would like my second hard drive to also be encrypted
12:50<lexi>and to mount /home to it
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12:51<lexi>I only want to enter in my password once
12:51<lexi>I hear you can do this with keyfiles
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12:52<jhutchins_lt>_chaos_: Network Manager is for managing roaming, like wifi.
12:53<jhutchins_lt>_chaos_: Figure out which packages are installed and purge them.
12:54<_chaos_>i'll try
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13:06<bernat>_chaos_: aren't you using wheezy anymore?
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13:06<_chaos_>i'm messing with more than one box at a time
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13:07<bernat>ah, ok, excuse the intromission :)
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13:37<lexi>hey still trying to solve this problem, I have system encryption setup, did it at debian install, however I have another hard drive that I'd also like to encrypt and I want to be automaticly mounted at startup
13:37<lexi>without having to type a passphrase in
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13:38<daemonkeeper>Ehm, why would you like to use encryption, if you want it automatically mounted?
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13:42<TheSky>Hello, i wanna download an ISO cd image with a special packet on it - how can i find out in which CD iso the special packet is ?
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13:43<TheSky>Thank You DaemonKeeper :)
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13:47<SynrG>daemonkeeper: sounds like he doesn't want to have to enter *another* passphrase after starting the system for the additional partition
13:47<daemonkeeper>Well, one could hack a chained setup then.
13:47<daemonkeeper>Or use a key setup.
13:48<SynrG>reading the key for the 2nd filesystem from a file stored on the 1st
13:48<daemonkeeper>That's what I was thinking about. Or a special partition storing keys to unlock remaining partitions
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13:52<SynrG>lexi: ^^ so, consider one of these alternatives
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13:53<lexi>SynrG: so how is that done?
13:53<lexi>been googling for that
13:53<lexi>maybe I used the wrong search terms
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13:53<SynrG>why google when you can just go straight to the doc?
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13:55<SynrG>or if you didn't know it was LUKS that was involved, start with
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13:55<SynrG>that took me in turn to the upstream doc where i found the FAQ
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14:05<raygalinato>Hello, can someone please assist me in install NVIDIA drivers?
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14:05<daemonkeeper>!nvidia dkms
14:05<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
14:06<retrospectacus>raygalinato: are you following the directions on the debian wiki? what seems to be the problem?
14:06<retrospectacus>raygalinato: and what debian version do you have
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14:06<raygalinato>I'm reading the wiki right now. Still wondering which method would be better - to install it the "Debian way" or manually with the NVIDIA .run file.
14:07<raygalinato>I would like to install it with the .run file.
14:07<dpkg>rumour has it, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). More specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel-related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead. See also <why nvidia-installer sucks>, <remove nvidia>.
14:08<retrospectacus>raygalinato: that is the bad way, you will get bitten in the ass later. Follow the wiki and <nvidia dkms>
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14:10<tacitone>Hi all, I'd like to be schooled on the proper entry of NOPASSWD in visudo.
14:10<raygalinato>Where would I go to see whether or not APT has non-free and contrib sources, as stated in step 0?
14:10<SynrG>examine /etc/apt/sources.list
14:10<raygalinato>Thank you.
14:10<tacitone>I've scoured the internet high and low for the right way to use NOPASSWD in visudo. No dice.
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14:10<SynrG>by default you would just have "main". that's a space-delimited list. just change to "main contrib non-free" and you're set.
14:11<retrospectacus>after apt-get update ;)
14:11<SynrG>well, yes
14:11<tacitone>I have the following: tacitone ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL \ tacitone ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/aptitude
14:11<tacitone>But aptitude continues to prompt me
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14:12<tacitone>Any help / correction is appreciated.
14:12<SynrG>!tell raygalinato about non-free sources
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14:12<SynrG>tacitone: maybe order sensitive?
14:13<raygalinato>How to get the "latest" version of the driver?
14:13<tacitone>SynrG: I've read as much, and from what I understand the NOPASSWD entry must be below any prior declarations for a given user.
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14:13<SynrG>ah, hmm
14:13<SynrG>yeah, just verified that against sudoers man page. well ...
14:14<enderst>tacitone: try 'tacitone ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/aptitude' been awhile since i've played with sudo
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14:15<SynrG>i'm sure the blank is not significant
14:15<SynrG>maybe logout and login again?
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14:15<tacitone>Good idea, SynrG :)
14:15<SynrG>i have something very similar for one user and it seems to work
14:15<tacitone>I'll try logging into a tty
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14:16<tacitone>No joy in a tty
14:16<valessio>marga: ping
14:16<valessio>eof: pong
14:16<marga>valessio: pong
14:16<valessio>Hii, PVT
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14:17<tacitone>Reading and there is no example usage of NOPASSWD
14:17<SynrG>tacitone: oh ...
14:17<enderst>tacitone: try the line i gave ya?
14:17<tacitone>enderst: Yes, tried it.
14:17<SynrG>aptitude is a symlink to the alternatives ...
14:17<retrospectacus>there are alternate aptitudes? O.o
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14:18<tacitone>SynrG: Doesn't work with `sudo su` either :)
14:18<SynrG>retrospectacus: alternative UIs
14:18<SynrG>mine points at /usr/bin/aptitude-curses
14:18<enderst>tacitone: so with the line i gave you 'sudo aptitude update' still wants a password?
14:18<tacitone>I'm not gonna let this one go - my sixteen character password is wearing these knuckles away :)
14:18<tacitone>enderst: correct
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14:21<tacitone>Could it be something in .profile?
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14:21<SynrG>don't think so. for a moment i thought maybe being a symlink was relevant, but i couldn't find any documented evidence
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14:24<tacitone>This is insane. I've even tried this "working" solution from serverfault:
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14:27<retrospectacus>tacitone: fwiw, they might know more about sudo in #linux on freenode - debian is not a "sudo-fanboy" distro
14:27<cybersphinx_>tacitone: Is your user in the sudo group, and the respective line in /etc/sudoers active?
14:27<valdyn>tacitone: ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
14:28<tacitone>cybersphinx: I think you may have hit it. Since I am in sudo group it's possible the last declaration at the bottom was overriding my previous.
14:29<tacitone>WIN :)
14:29<tacitone>Thanks cybersphinx!
14:29<tacitone>You too can wear a nose mitten.
14:31<cybersphinx_>You're welcome.
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14:48<sunfizz98>anyone have experience with xdelta3 and patching mkvs?
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15:42<LuisV>hi there [_]P
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15:43<LuisV>is possible in KDE4 to place 4 workspaces in a row? I can't see how in th preferences panel
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15:47<chealer>LuisV: in a row, as opposed to 2x2 or what?
15:48<LuisV>chealer: ok I wish 4 workspaces in a only one roww
15:48<LuisV>no 2x2
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15:49<chealer>LuisV: it is. which Debian suite do you use?
15:50<LuisV>chealer: debian suite? I don't understand..
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15:51<LuisV>chealer: I got debian 6.0 (squeeze)
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15:52<chealer>LuisV: OK. I use a newer KDE version, but when you talk about the preferences panel, do you mean System Settings or what?
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15:54<LuisV>chealer: no, when you right clik on workspaces, a dialog box appear, on the top you can see "configure virtual desktops"
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15:55<chealer>LuisV: oh? it could have changed, but on KDE 4.6, if I right-click the workspaces, I get a contextual menu and then I click "Configure: Workspaces manager"
15:55<chealer>then I get a screen with 4 "vertical tabs", do you see that too?
15:56<LuisV>chealer: no, I can't see 'workspaces manager"
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15:58<LuisV>chealer: now I got it!! on the menu "pager settings"
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15:59<LuisV>chealer: ok thanks for your time and help[_]P
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16:07<retrospectacus>what the heck is [_]P
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16:09<devil>looks like a mug
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16:10<kop>Or perl.
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16:16<anonymouszer0>Whats up?
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16:18<anonymouszer0>lol eeryone's quitting
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16:21<devil>anonymouszer0: this is a debian support channel
16:21<ukleinek>installing udev in a container fails for me. I think the relevant issue is: "mknod: `//tmp/udev.GWbpjZ/ppp': Operation not permitted". Does someone has an idea?
16:21<weasel>"don't install udev in a container"?
16:22<anonymouszer0>yea and I use debian lol
16:22<ukleinek>weasel: this implies "don't install systemd in a container".
16:22<weasel>works for me
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16:23<ukleinek>weasel: with or without udev?
16:23<ukleinek>weasel: using lxc?
16:24<weasel>ukleinek: sorry, I meant "not installing systemd" would not be a problem for me
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16:24<dba>ukleinek: udev doesn't currently work in an lxc.
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16:24<ukleinek>dba: thanks, too bad
16:24<weasel>ukleinek: the fact remains that udev in most containers is probably not all that useful, and if systemd really relies on udev then it probably won't work either
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16:25<dba>ukleinek: you can try with lxc.cgroup.devices.allow = a, but i doubt it helps.
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16:25<dba>ukleinek: and for systemd, just see bts..
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16:26<ukleinek>dba: #604631 is about systemd on the hosting machine, not the virtual I think
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16:28<dba>ukleinek: i think that i remember that there was a bug against systemd about it.
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16:33<ukleinek>dba: "lxc.cgroup.devices.allow = a" worked a bit. I could install udev at least
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16:41<ukleinek>hmm, but starting systemd killed my host system
16:43*ukleinek retries with kvm
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16:57<plmb33>hi, I have just upgraded my Debian system from stable to unstable and CUPS is not working my printer anymore. So I deleted my printer from the list of known printers and tried to resetup. When I click on "Administration" --> "Add Printer" the only option for local printers is "SCSI Printer"; it seems not do recognize my plugged-in USB printer. Any idea?
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16:58<craigevil>try asking in one channel for starters, #debian-next on this server and not on multiple channels
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17:07<kingsley>plmb33: Maybe the command...
17:08<kingsley>plmb33: $ lsusb -v
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17:08<plmb33>kingsley, installing hplip solved the problem
17:08<kingsley>plmb33: would reveal diagnostic info.
17:08<kingsley>plmb33: Very good.
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17:12<jquerier>Hello i want to make a ns1 for my debian machine to use it for my domain
17:12<jquerier>i have to add it only to etc/hosts?
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17:13<jquerier>like ""
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17:20<jhutchins_lt>jquerier: What do you hope this will accomplish?
17:20<jquerier>i have a domain on a hoster. and a server on another hoster with debian 16gb. i want that the domain transfer to my hoster
17:21<jquerier>by adding my private nameserver
17:21<jquerier>to the hoster where i have the domain
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17:24<user>HI all
17:24<user>what's up
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17:24<bim_ir>is it easy to up to unstable from testing?
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17:24<bim_ir>testing is *too old*
17:25<Guest2318>is anyone who knows SQL-i ?
17:25<bim_ir>or is it better to build firefox and transmission?
17:26<bim_ir>iceweasel: 3.5.19 !!! 3.5!
17:26<bim_ir>transmission: 2.03!!! 2.0!
17:26<bim_ir>I just can't live with such oldies
17:26<jhutchins_lt>jquerier: An entry in your hosts file will allow just that computer to access the host by name at that IP.
17:26<Guest2318>bum_ir do you know sql-i method ?
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17:27<retrospectacus>bim_ir: look into <tum>
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17:28<bim_ir>Guest2318: all I know is DROP DATABASE :)
17:28<jhutchins_lt>jquerier: If you need other computers to access that host by name, you will need to run some sort of DNS. For your own lan you could run dnsmasq pretty easily, or set up a bind9 server. For the public to access that host by name, you will need to have it set up on a public DNS. Most domain registrars will allow you to do this or do it for you.
17:28<bim_ir>retrospectacus: into ? tum?
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17:28<retrospectacus>!tell bim_ir about tum
17:29<retrospectacus>bim_ir: that's "testing-unstable mix"
17:29<jhutchins_lt>!tell jquerier about de
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17:30<bim_ir>retrospectacus: ah, got it; so editing sources.list is better than building, you think... okay
17:30<jhutchins_lt>bim_ir: Also known as "yet another clean install".
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17:31<retrospectacus>bim_ir: much better
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17:31<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: I have heard otherwise here.
17:31<bim_ir>jhutchins_lt: nope, leave clean install for *that os* users
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17:32<jhutchins_lt>Mixing releases and/or distros can bring much grief and frustration.
17:32<Guest2320>what you talking about
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17:32<bim_ir>retrospectacus: but by building I can help devs in testing, upstream devs... okay, time for apt-get -y dist-upgrade
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17:32<lindi->would be nice if there was a tool that inspected your system and listed what you have changed so that you wouldn't need to do a clean reinstall to get back to a working state :-)
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17:32<retrospectacus>I have wheezy, sid, experimental sources - default wheezy but I can get e.g. the latest chromium from experimental
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17:33<retrospectacus>haven't had any big problems... ofc it could happen
17:33<Guest2320>I have just joined this group!
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17:34<Guest2320>Can somebody tell me what this chat is all about please. Lisa
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17:34<lindi->Guest2320: see
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17:38<Guest2320>Oh, a little bit above my head I think!
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17:41<bim_ir>may I just ask? why do you use very new gcc 4.6.1, well-new linux 2.6.39, but are stuck with iceweasel 3.15 in testing?
17:42<lindi->Guest2320: don't be so sure :)
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17:44<Guest2320>I don't know
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17:46<craigevil>bim_ir, look in in the howto section there is a nice howto on how to run a mixed testing/sid system
17:47*weasel wonders how a howto that teaches the layman how to shoot off his own foot cleanly could be considered nice
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17:48<chealer>bim_ir: testing contains Iceweasel 3.5, and is not stuck with it
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17:50<bim_ir>chealer: oops, of course s/15/5/; but why? there's fox 5
17:50<bim_ir>ah, I mean 5.0 vs 3.5
17:50<bim_ir>having just-released gcc, but mozilla 3.5... is it really "nice", you think?
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17:53<craigevil>iceweasel: Installed: 5.0-3 , if you want newer versions of iceweasel you the repo
17:54<craigevil>whoops left the word 'use' out of that statement
17:54<chealer>bim_ir: having Firefox 3.5 is surely nice compared to not having Firefox. if you compare to having Firefox 5, surely not.
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17:55<jhutchins_lt>I believe iceweasel 7 is not available.
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17:55<jhutchins_lt>Er, is NOW available.
17:55<unixabg>Greetings, if I want the bts to ack a patch can I just send tag bugnumber patch in body?
17:56<unixabg>or do I have to do Tags: patch ?
17:56<jhutchins_lt>Mozilla is being utterly ridiculous with version numbers. Some think they're just trying to "version up" to chrome, which is what, 14?
17:56<lindi->unixabg: mail with "Package $package" and "Tags $bug patch"
17:56<jhutchins_lt>I will say 5 is a nice upgrade from 3.5.
17:56*bim_ir has nothing versus GCC 4.6.1
17:57<bim_ir>chealer: it is nicely compared to build firefox by myself agains using 2-years old stuff
17:57<bim_ir>I know the solution: just *kill* iceweasel's maintainer and get a new one
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17:57<unixabg>lindi-: ok thanks. I have messed this up on a couple of bugs so I will have to correct.
17:57<retrospectacus>bim_ir: you can be it
17:57<chealer>jhutchins_lt: there is no such thing as Iceweasel 7
17:58<jhutchins_lt>chealer: Are you sure?
17:58<bim_ir>retrospectacus: I doubt I can handle it
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17:58<retrospectacus>then don't complain
17:58<jhutchins_lt>chealer: Isn't aurora 7 now?
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17:59<jhutchins_lt>chealer: release is at least 5.
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17:59<chealer>jhutchins_lt: yes, even Firefox 6 doesn't exist yet
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18:00<cquinn>weasel: Which howto shoots off feet?
18:00<chealer>jhutchins_lt: it *is* 5, yes
18:00<devil>aurora is iceweasel 7 and works fine so far
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18:01<bim_ir>retrospectacus: okay, I'm ready then; what I need to do?
18:01*bim_ir asked only for mozilla browser (whatever called) v5.0.x
18:01<retrospectacus>find out who the current maintainer is and kill him, apparently
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18:02<jhutchins_lt>craigevil: Where can you find that?
18:02<jhutchins_lt>craigevil: Or find out what the latest is?
18:02<devil>must be nightlies
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18:02<craigevil>latest firefox nightly
18:02<bim_ir>retrospectacus: I'd better ask him *why* .. no, *WHYYYYY THE HELL* is there only 2yo 3.5 in testing
18:02<jhutchins_lt>craigevil: Where?
18:03<devil>bim_ir: glandiums blog explains it
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18:03<craigevil>bim_ir, read the bugs on iceweasel there are many reasons, pretty much the same reasons 5 isnt in sid
18:03<ansgar>craigevil: iceweasel 5 is in sid ;)
18:03<jhutchins_lt>bim_ir: Because the 3.5 in testing is well tested, thoroughly patched, and more stable than the latest cutting-edge beta, and every firefox release since 4 has been a beta.
18:03<bim_ir>devil: okay, master, will google for "glandiums iceweasel"
18:03<devil>yep, 5.0-3 0
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18:04<jhutchins_lt>bim_ir: Would you like to know how to get iceweasel 5?
18:04<jhutchins_lt>craigevil: thx
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18:05<bim_ir>jhutchins_lt: ?
18:05<bim_ir>but it would be fox, not weasel
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18:06<jhutchins_lt>bim_ir: Go to and choose "release".
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18:06<ukleinek>IIRC there is a repo somewhere to get newer iceweasel
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18:07<zeref>yay, finally installed debian xD
18:07<jhutchins_lt>!congratulate zeref
18:07<dpkg>Nice one zeref, you did it!
18:08<retrospectacus>finally, jeez
18:08<chealer>jhutchins_lt: no, Firefox 5 is the current stable version.
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18:09<jhutchins_lt>chealer: I don't care what Mozilla says, their "stable" releases have had nowhere near enough testing to call them anything but betas. 5 is pretty good and pretty clean, but they're just moving too fast for real testing/debugging.
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18:09<jhutchins_lt>chealer: 5 is the current _release_.
18:10<craigevil>Mozilla is trying to play catch up with Chrome 14
18:10<jhutchins_lt>They played this game with Netscape and Explorer.
18:10<retrospectacus>MOAR BIGGER NUMBERRRRR
18:11<craigevil>latest nightly is already called 8, in a month or so it will be higher than chrome's version #
18:12<retrospectacus>they should switch to logarithmic versioning :D
18:12<zeref>*must get bigger number*
18:12<craigevil>higher number means better right? :)
18:12<retrospectacus>double it each time
18:12<bim_ir>3.0, 3.5, 3.6, release, aurora... what to choose?
18:12<bim_ir>!congratulate bim_ir
18:12<dpkg>Yay bim_ir, you did it!
18:12<bim_ir>jhutchins_lt: but... isn't "testing" a testing release? so nothing about "stability", no?
18:12<bim_ir>for "stability" there's "stable" debian, no?
18:12<bim_ir>they even took some code from chromium, I know
18:12<bim_ir>and ditched osx-ppc too :(
18:12<bim_ir>nope, it depends on versioning sheme
18:12<bim_ir>for example, debian-based finnix now is at version 101 ;)
18:13<retrospectacus>must be way the fuck better
18:13<chealer>jhutchins_lt: well, I disagree then
18:13<bim_ir>but... 3.5 is really really really old, despite all versioning and vs chrome stuff
18:14<chealer>bim_ir: I don't see why you would choose 3.0 or 3.6. and I wouldn't uses "aurora" unless you have a particular reason to
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18:15<bim_ir>chealer: lemme finish apt-get -y dist-upgrade first ;)
18:15<bim_ir>and my connection is unstable
18:15<bim_ir>Err unstable/main libsoup2.4-1 amd64 2.34.2-2
18:15<bim_ir> Connection failed [IP: 80]
18:15<bim_ir>I'd repeat it
18:16<retrospectacus>^C up enter
18:16<craigevil>bim_ir, using deb squeeze-backports iceweasel-release will give you Iceweasel 5
18:16<bim_ir>craigevil: thx, 'll try
18:16<jhutchins_lt>bim_ir: It still works just fine, and a lot of add-ons haven't updated anything since it was current.
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18:17<bim_ir>jhutchins_lt: are you iceweasel's maint?
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18:17<jhutchins_lt>bim_ir: No, I'm not.
18:17<jhutchins_lt>,maint iceweasel
18:18<judd>Package iceweasel version 5.0-2 was uploaded by Mike Hommey on 2011-07-01, last changed by Mike Hommey and maintained by Maintainers of Mozilla-related packages.
18:18<jhutchins_lt>,versions iceweasel
18:18<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-6; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-8~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-8; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-8; wheezy: 3.5.19-3; experimental: 5.0-2; sid: 5.0-3
18:18<bim_ir>jhutchins_lt: got it; okay, it were okay if there was say gcc 4.3.6 in testing
18:18<craigevil>iceweasel: Installed: 5.0-3 Candidate: 7.0~a2+20110707042018-1 shiny
18:18<bim_ir>,versions gcc
18:18<judd>Package gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.6.0-6; sid: 4:4.6.1-2
18:19<bim_ir>hmm, in 2009 there was 4.4.x and 4.5-pre, as I can remember
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18:20<bim_ir>while I'm moving to sid, next question: what about gnome 3?
18:20<bim_ir>,versions gnome
18:20<judd>Package gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:2.30+11; wheezy: 1:2.30+11
18:21<unixabg>lindi-: thanks again. :)
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18:22<bim_ir>Get:204 unstable/main libreoffice-core amd64 1:3.3.3-4+b1 [38.5 MB] << wow, 3.3.3! cool
18:22<bim_ir>I just want to use *the lastest stuff*
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18:23<bim_ir>okay, s/use/try/
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18:24<retrospectacus>bim_ir: you have SNS syndrome? That can be a dangerous problem
18:24<bim_ir>retrospectacus: what is SNS syndrome?
18:24<bim_ir>inb4 googleing
18:24<craigevil>bim_ir, welcome to the darkside, keep in mind sid is not supported in #debian
18:24<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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18:25<bim_ir>heh, I just upgraded to unstable :)
18:26<bim_ir>yeah, I'm sick with SNS
18:26<retrospectacus>how's the stability
18:26<bim_ir>I do like to build git and svn stuff
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18:26*craigevil runs sid and runs apt-get dist-upgrade daily
18:26<bim_ir>retrospectacus: in debian stable, I suppose :)
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18:27<sander_m>Hi. Can someone give me some advice about PEAR usage in PHP? I'm in need of some PEAR packages that are not provided by Debian, but I am afraid to start mixing PEAR packages installed though Aptitude and packages installed through the PEAR installer. I worry about conflicts and such. Is PEAR just as problematic as e.g. Ruby Gems?
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18:29<bim_ir>!moving unstable
18:29<bim_ir>!moving experimental
18:30<dpkg>awwwww, whats the matter??
18:30<bim_ir>dpkg: you said ask for <moving target>
18:30<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
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18:30<bim_ir>now I want experimental
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18:30<edbian>Is Anything wrong with my sources.list?
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18:32<craigevil>edbian, add deb squeeze-updates main contrib non-free feel free to use whichever mirror
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18:33<retrospectacus>edbian: dmm has also a non-free part
18:33<craigevil>and you might not want to use proposed-updates
18:34<edbian>There are no backports right?
18:34<edbian>craigevil: What's the different between your squeeze-updatesa nd my security line?
18:34<craigevil>yes backports still exist, For information visit -
18:35<edbian>Are there any backports in my sources.list ?
18:35<craigevil>squeeze-updates used to be called volatile
18:35<edbian>Well I don't have any volatile anything in there.
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18:36<retrospectacus>you have no backports
18:36<retrospectacus>which is not a problem
18:36<edbian>yeah, making sure
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18:36<edbian>My open office is being weird. I removed it, now I'm making sure my repos are fine. Then I'll re-install it.
18:36<edbian>Some of the menus text displayed as boxes instead of letters
18:37<edbian>It was strange
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18:38<edbian>craigevil: The link you gave says that they call volatile squeeze-updates now. I have something pointing to squeeze-updates. Should I not? I'm confused.
18:39<edbian>What is the difference between squeeze/updates and squeeze-updates? Anything? mirror syntax?
18:39<craigevil>you have squeeze/updates which is the security repo, squeeze-updates is the new volatile
18:39<edbian>exit ?
18:40<craigevil>whoops that was meant to be in yakuake
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18:40<craigevil>edbian, nice list of repos
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18:41<edbian>craigevil: thanks!
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18:43<edbian>There is no multimedia contrib ?
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18:44<edbian>Installing now...
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18:48<edbian>Fixed. Thanks for the help!
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18:57<greshnik>hello ppl
18:57<bim_ir>wow, iceweasel 5.0 is cool
18:57<bim_ir>I glad to be able to try it
18:58<bim_ir>(before year 2055, heh)
18:58<greshnik>squeeze-backports )
18:58<greshnik>it is now available here
18:58<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, mdn is or
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18:58<bim_ir>mdn... hmm... *that company* developers network?
18:59<greshnik>mozilla :D
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19:01<bim_ir>ah okay
19:01<bim_ir>thank you guys
19:02<greshnik>you welcome!
19:02<greshnik>anyone know something about how to make work Broadcomm 4318 on kernel 2.6.38? Just installed it from backports, now wireless totally missing (i mean even in lspci)
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19:06<bim_ir>greshnik: make-kpkg for new kernel?
19:07<greshnik>bim_ir: Will give it a try
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19:14<devil>greshnik: firmware-b43-installer should work for that
19:14<greshnik>devil: not really... I need ad-hoc
19:14<greshnik>also b43-fw have a very bad perfomance
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19:20<dpkg>Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>. For Ethernet chipset support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>.
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19:53<jerryclunsford>I have a usb sound device after reinstalling debian lenny it does not have the volume that it used to, where should I look for the problem?
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19:55<devil>jerryclunsford: had a look at alsamixer?
19:55<jerryclunsford>The mixer volumes are all the way up.
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19:57<lindi->jerryclunsford: are you using gnome?
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19:58<jerryclunsford>yes using gnome
19:59<weedeater64>How can I run ~$ xterm -fa Nimbus Momo -fs 16 -bg black -fg white; vim &
19:59<nevyn>pulse might be messing with you.
19:59<jerryclunsford>I just installed the alsa mixer gui and it showed the volume all the way down I turned them up there and looks like it is fixed
19:59<lindi->jerryclunsford: what program are you using to play the sound?
19:59<weedeater64>That is to say, start the new xterm with vim running in it, or is that possible ?
20:00<jerryclunsford>Rythmbox and games
20:00<lindi->jerryclunsford: ok
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20:00<jerryclunsford>Thank you for the Help looks like It is working now.
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20:01<jerryclunsford>I guess I didn't know what I was doing earlier.
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20:02<lindi->jerryclunsford: the gnome volume applet should work too
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20:03<jerryclunsford>Yes I have full volume now. I had tried the volume on the task bar but it didn't do any good the alsamixer gui got it Thanks all and have a good weekend.
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20:09<TCW>why is acx100-source in contrib? The firmware is non-free and not included in debian non-free anyway, checked LICENSE in the driver tarball it seems to be GPLv2...
20:09<tash>I just installed a sttandard system with GUI(gnome) , and right now, every time I insert a pendrive it shows an error, I installed pmount, and nothing happened
20:09<TCW>tash, squeeze?
20:09<tash>TCW yep
20:10<TCW>tash, how did you install?
20:10<tash>TCW: Pendrive, netinstall
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20:11<TCW>tash, and teh meta-package gnome is installed?
20:11<tash>let me see
20:12<tash>synaptic manage the metapackages? TCW
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20:12<TCW>tash, dpkg -l gnome
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20:12<TCW>tash, synaptic just sucks imho... use a terminal. Faster and paste-able if errors happen
20:13<tash>ii gnome 1:2.30+11 The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components
20:13<lindi->but terminal is not exactly user friendly :)
20:13<tash>I like terminal
20:14<TCW>tash, ok... a default squeeze install should just work ootb with pendrives... let me check... I installed one right this afternoon... let me plugin a hdd
20:14<tash>I had this problem before, is just that I came from lxde
20:14<tash>and I forgot the package
20:15<zeref>guys, is there a need to create a xorg.conf in debian 6?
20:16<tash>is *a
20:16<lindi->TCW: "You can get this firmware from the Microsoft Windows driver."
20:16<lindi->TCW: from the acx100-source description
20:16<TCW>lindi-, pardon?
20:16<lindi->TCW: it's in contrib since it doesn't work without that non-free stuff
20:16<TCW>lindi-, I am past all that, card is working...
20:17<tash>TCW: usbmount? maybe?
20:17<TCW>lindi-, oh... ok... so I did forget about that if it NEEDS non-free stuff even if that stuff is not in debian itself it must go to contrib...
20:17<lindi->TCW: anyways, acx100-source might disappear soon since nobody seems to be be interested in maintaining it
20:17<lindi->TCW: yeah
20:18<TCW>tash, pardon?
20:18<lindi->TCW: that's exactly what contrib is for
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20:18<lindi->TCW: free software that depends on non-free software
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20:18<TCW>tash, oh... dn did try on a squeeze-gnome-box, works like a charm
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20:19<tash>TCW: you know, I guess I didn't say my problem as it is
20:19<TCW>tash, what error do you get again?
20:20<tash>TCW: I have 3 pendrives, and just 1 works, others shows errors about fs or don't mount at all, or permision problems, that didn't happen with them before I Install squeeze
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20:20<TCW>tash, so show the exact error message... and fdisk -l for those
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20:23<TCW>tash, and for the working drive?
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20:25<TCW>and as the message suggests... see if dmesg shows additional stuff (it may show the same stuff as there but who knows)+
20:26<lindi->tash: you might want to check if there's a filesystem at all. sudo file -sL /dev/sdb1
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20:27<tash>lindi-, the pendrive has some anime
20:27<tash>lindi-, I have been using it
20:28<tash>TCW, how do I 'extend' what tail crops?
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20:28<tash>I mean, get more lines from the bottom of dmesg
20:28<TCW>tash, tail -50 shows the last 50 lines
20:28<lindi->tash: still, is the filesystem information printed by file the same for all of them?
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20:30<lindi->tash: syslinux?
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20:33<lindi->tash: sounds like you've copied some live usb image there or something
20:33<tash>maybe before
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20:34<tash>but lindi- the pendrive right now just have some video files
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20:34<TCW>tash, try mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt/someplace
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20:34<tash>that works, but, permissions...
20:35<tash>in anycase I'll try
20:35<TCW>tash, man mount
20:35<TCW>tash, the thing may be the syslinux stuff may confuse gnomes automatisms
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20:35<tash>TCW: what do in that case?
20:35<lindi->my first guess is that the block device was too short for the image that was written there
20:36<TCW>so I would mount the pendriv, copy all data to the computer (backup) and then erase the first 1k of that drive (dd may help there) and readd a partition, format it, copy contents back
20:37<lindi->tash: hmm, I thought the mount failed?
20:37<tash>lindi-: no, it doesn't
20:37<lindi->tash: what failed then?
20:38<tash>the automatically thing
20:38<lindi->tash: ah
20:38<TCW>lindi-, are you with us? ;)
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20:38<tash>lindi-: kinda lazy I am
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20:39<lindi->tash: you might indeed want to do what TCW suggests. backup the data and recreate the filesystem
20:40<tash>lindi-: am on it
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20:41<lindi->and maybe check what Applications -> System Tools -> Disk Utility thinks about it
20:41<tash>ok the backup is ready, how is the dd thing?
20:41<lindi->tash: no need to use dd if Disk Utility works :)
20:42<tash>ok lindi- am on the diks utility
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20:42<tash>lindi-, format?
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20:42<lindi->tash: verify that your backups are ok first :)
20:42<tash>lindi-: they are =)
20:42<lindi->tash: and umount
20:43<lindi->the dialog should look like
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20:45<tash>lindi-, seems ok
20:45<lindi->tash: just click "delete partition", "create partition", FAT, Create
20:45<lindi->or hmm
20:46<lindi->tash: I think "Format Drive" indeed is a shortcut for all these steps
20:46<tash>lindi-: too late?
20:46<lindi->tash: not at al
20:46<tash>lindi-: =,=... lol xD
20:46<lindi->tash: "Format Drive" only erases the partitions
20:47<tash>lindi-: the problem still
20:47<lindi->tash: I see"New Volume 4.0 GB FAT" now
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20:49<tash>lindi-: in my case it just deleted the partitions
20:49<tash>lindi-: strange =/
20:49<lindi->tash: yes you need to click "create partition"
20:49<tash>lindi-, yep, I did, and the problem stills =/
20:49<lindi->tash: it doesn't create the partition?
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20:50<tash>lindi-: yep, the partition have been created, but the problem stills the same, even mounting it from
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20:50<lindi->tash: odd
20:50<tash>the disk utility
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20:51<lindi->tash: did you also choose "Format Volume"?
20:52<tash>lindi-: just did , and problem stills
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20:52<tash>a permison problem?
20:53<lindi->tash: not if the other usb drives work
20:53<tash>lindi-: true
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20:54<tash>lindi-: I'll check the file system of the other one
20:54<tash>lindi-: maybe there's a club waiting for us to discover it
20:54<lindi->if manual mount command works but gnome fails then gnome is giving more options to mount
20:55<tash>lindi-: now the other doesn't work =/
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20:55<tash>wait, it worked
20:56<lindi->anyways, I'm away now :)
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21:01<TCW>lindi-, the error is in the partition table, not in the partition itself... so I think dd *is* needed :)
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21:01<tash>I changed the filesystem to ext2 and the problem stills
21:01<tash>TCW: now it doesn't show de syslinux thing, but , we could try the dd thing
21:03<TCW>tash, as root: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1024 count=2 <<--- IF sdb is the pendrive, beware, it'll erase the first 2048 bytes on that blockdevice!
21:03<tash>what do you mean by erase?
21:03<TCW>tash, double- or triple-check before issueing that command that you have the right block-device
21:04<TCW>tash, overwrite it with "0"
21:04<tash>TCW: what could go wrong?
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21:05<TCW>tash, if sdb is your harddisk or any disk in your computer (internal or external) which holds important data gets screwed...
21:05<TCW>no hardware damage can be done though
21:05<tash>TCW, but that happen when you format it too, doesn't it?
21:06<TCW>tash, sure... I just want you to be cautious, that's all
21:06<tash>TCW: I just wanted to be sure
21:06<tash>lol, was quick
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21:07<tash>problem stills
21:07<TCW>tash, it should be... only 2048 bytes is not that much :)
21:07<Bonjour>Ello :)
21:07<TCW>tash, file -Ls /dev/sdb*
21:08<tash>TCW, /dev/sdb: x86 boot sector, code offset 0xb8
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21:08<TCW>tash, and sdb1?
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21:11<TCW>tash, fdisk -l
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21:14<TCW>tash, and manually mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/somewhere as root works?
21:14<tash>TCW: yep
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21:15<TCW>tash, and you did re-plug the pendrive?
21:15<tash>TCW: I have done it o couple of time since we are here
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21:17<TCW>tash, hmm... try a fresh gnome login... maybe nautilus is somewhat confused (or even a reboot to make sure nautilus gets started fresh)
21:17<tash>TCW: the pendrive that works, actually shows the same error, but it does mount automatically and with W/R permisions
21:17<TCW>tash, or pkill nautilus may work too
21:18<TCW>tash, what error?
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21:18<hoshi411>when i used to use ubuntu, I had a nice function to right click a .deb file and select install. Anyone know how I can get that back?
21:19<hoshi411>is that available in debian?
21:19<hoshi411>Im running debian squeeze 601
21:19<portentum>hoshi411: that's gdebi, it is available in Debian
21:19<hoshi411>port: thanks
21:19<tash>TCW: this one -->
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21:21<tash>TCW: am so sorry, I'm on wheezy
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21:22<tash>TCW: could it be a bug? =/
21:22<TCW>tash, then see the topic...
21:23<tash>TCW: what topic?
21:23<TCW>tash, sure... that's why it is called "testing" and not "stable"
21:23<TCW>tash, the topic if this channel here...
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21:25<tash>TCW: I really need the >2.6.37
21:26<TCW>tash, huh?
21:26<tash>TCW: I could use squeeze, but it uses 2.6.32 kernel
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21:27<TCW>tash, I am fine with you using wheezy/testing... but you could have used a newer kernel on squeeze as well
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21:28<tash>,versions linux-image-amd64
21:28<judd>Package linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; sid: 2.6.39+35.1; wheezy: 2.6.39+35.1; experimental: 3.0.0~rc5+38
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21:29<tash>TCW: I have 2 pendrives, one works and shows an error, the other shows the same error and doesn't mount
21:30<tash>TCW: could it be a bug of wheezy?
21:30<TCW>tash, and you have testing, that means, see the topic and realise you are in the wrong channel! :p
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21:30<TCW>tash, how often do you want to ask that question?
21:30<TCW>03:23:15 <TCW> tash, sure... that's why it is called "testing" and not "stable" <<--
21:31<tash>TCW: =P
21:31<tash>TCW: ty for all buddy ^-^ I learned a couple of things =D
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21:35<TCW> <- funny to read :)
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21:46<tash>TCW: the problem with squeeze is that it doesn't regonize the ethernet of this PC
21:47<TCW>tash, and I said you could use a newer kernel on squeeze
21:47<TCW>at least worth a try... most of the time newer kernel just work on stable... but I've heard of some occasions where it failed.
21:48<tash>TCW: is a netbook and I don't have a optical USB, and for some reason I cannot do a full install from the pendrive
21:48<TCW>tash, ?
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21:51<unixabg>TCW: Could you try installer from
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21:51<tash>unixabg: that was for me ^^
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21:52<TCW>unixabg, why should I? :p
21:52<unixabg>tash: Sorry just trying to be helpful since many are helpful to me.
21:53<TCW>I guess that was for me now? :D
21:53<tash>unixabg: yes I could try, but, IDK, I mean, I already have my system installed, do a reinstall because of the pendrives... IDK
21:53<unixabg>TCW: well you can try a live boot to see if the network card works on a live boot from pen drive.
21:54<unixabg>tash and TCW I just reread and sorry.
21:54<TCW>tash, I'd try the SAME pendrives in a debian stable box, if it does work without errors there, write a bug-report against udisks-something (I guess)
21:55<tash>TCW: they worked just fine in my previous system
21:56<TCW>tash, but the pendrive now differs... we did erase and recreate the contents... so maybe not compareable
21:57<tash>is kinda hard, because I could install debian only via that pendrive
21:57<TCW>tash, what is kinda hard?
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22:03<tash>TCW: my install method could not be the best
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22:07<TCW>tash, why could it not?
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22:11<TCW>04:07:24 <TCW> tash, why could it not?
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22:12<tash>TCW: I downloaded the regular iso and created a booteable usb, but, it didn't show the option to do a GUI installation, so I had to do a netinstall
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22:12<tash>TCW: by regular I mean disk 1
22:13<TCW>the media used (netinst or whatever) does not matter
22:14<TCW>and every debian installer has the option to install Gnome / KDE / Xfce and recently even LXDE directly from the start (chooseable in the boot-menu)
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22:15<TCW>and if one does install a plain "base" install without any GUI (Desktop Environment) it is as easy as apt-get install gnome to get a fully gnome install...
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22:17<tash>TCW. I kinda did the last one, but, I don't want to spend 2 hours downloading the 700mb installer and later download the gnome because of the option didn't show at the moment of the installation
22:18<tash>TCW: the option to install the GUI
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22:19<TCW>tash, how fast is your internet connection?
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22:20<tash>TCW: when I install something the speed is usually 50kbps, tried other mirrors, but the results aren't that diferent must be my ISP
22:20<TCW>tash, how fast is it when you download an iso?
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22:21<tash>TCW: same, like 50-70, unless I use something like !axel
22:21<TCW>tash, so if it is the same... why not just doenload a small business or netinstall iso?
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22:23<tash>TCW: I don't install a system that often, that happened to me like 2 times counting this, so, I guess next time I'll get the netinstall, right now am getting the live iso, I want to check if that one actually regonize my ethernet card, because the regular installer doesn't and I couldn't figure out how to use the firmware pack
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22:25<TCW>tash, it is all about the kernel... what kernel is there on it?
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22:26<tash>TCW: 2.6.32 I supose, am downloading stable
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22:26<weedeater64>Do they ever put Debian on those dvd's in the backs of some of the magazines ?
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22:27<weedeater64>And would that be a good source to obtain a copy ?
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22:39<emmetea>hey quick question... are there squeeze debs for adobe flash?
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22:39<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
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22:40<emmetea>thank you :)
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22:59<tash>if I want to install a newer kernel on squeeze, can I just take the debs from wheezy? or is that a bad idea?
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23:00<TCW>tash, yes
23:00<tash>TCW: what debs should I take? there are a lot of them
23:01<TCW>tash, one that fits? The same you had on wheezy I guess
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23:02<tash>TCW: is there any way to download the metapackage linux-image-2.6-amd64 and all its dependencies(automatically) to a folder?
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23:03<dvs>tash: you could use backports
23:04<tash>dvs: there is no backport for the kernel... I guess
23:04<tash>,versions linux-image-2.6-amd64
23:04<judd>Package linux-image-2.6-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; sid: 2.6.39+35.1; wheezy: 2.6.39+35.1; experimental: 3.0.0~rc5+38
23:05<TCW>tash, yes, but to much to fiddle around.... just download the kernel, dpkg -i ... see what it needs to be installed, get that too (if the package in stable is not new enough) and go on...
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23:06<tash> if my ethernet card is not detected, I wont be able download anything
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23:09<menageree>can anyone help me with using ssvnc with x11vnc and ssh? i'm pretty confused
23:09<asteroid1717>Can't, sorry.
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23:18<menageree>seems like the only way to get it working is to manually tell the client's ssh client to locally redirect to an already open ssh session... i thought with x11vnc and ssvnc this wasn't necessary
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