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| 01:13 | <Vambo> | sney, I had to reinstall gdm3, dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 and lastly... invoke-rc.d gdm3 reload |
| 01:13 | <Vambo> | :-) |
| 01:13 | <Vambo> | thank you for your time! |
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| 01:49 | <pdtpatrick> | Question ..saw this earlier -- "ar vx mypackage.deb" .. where is that ar tool? |
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| 01:54 | <jm_> | what do you mean where? it's in /usr/bin |
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| 01:55 | <pdtpatrick> | here's everything ^ar |
| 01:55 | <pdtpatrick> | arch arecord arecordmidi arm2hpdl |
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| 01:56 | <jm_> | !tell pdtpatrick -about search |
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| 01:56 | <jm_> | the apt-file related info from dpkg will help you |
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| 02:00 | <pdtpatrick> | jm_, did u have to install a package to get that or came with your standard system? |
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| 02:01 | <jm_> | pdtpatrick: binutils is optional |
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| 02:04 | <pdtpatrick> | jm_, thanks. It would be helpful if the wiki mentioned that u needed this package in order to follow along. Rather than assume you'll have it installed. Thanks again |
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| 02:05 | <jm_> | pdtpatrick: it's trivial to find which package provides given binary |
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| 02:09 | <pdtpatrick> | jm_ for instance.. if u type ar .. there's many possibilities to which it could belong to so that could be quite a chase. And it would be easy if u knew for instance ar should be in /usr/bin/ar then one can run apt-file search /usr/bin/ar and get the package name. But if you don't know -- then doing a search for ar (which is part of many words) could be a bit difficult? If you have a better way - im willing to learn. |
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| 02:11 | <jm_> | pdtpatrick: for binary gnereally a good option is to simply do: apt-file search 'bin/ar' or to be more restrictive apt-file -x search 'bin/ar$' |
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| 02:16 | <chl501> | a few questions. when using virtualbox ose, pae kernel would have influence on performance of a process inside the vm? in addition, would choosing nic intel pro/1000 mt server would better than PC fast III in vm? |
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| 02:24 | <vook> | question. I need to tunnel through host X to access host Y, but on host Y I need to access a freenx server (via port 22). Is this possible ? If I do -L 22:localhost:22 (with ssh), it will eessentially kill it's own ssh access right ? Any ideas ? |
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| 02:26 | <vook> | I love asking these story problems... |
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| 02:27 | <vook> | ah! I can redirect port 22 on host Y to a different port. nm |
| 02:27 | <jm_> | you can use proxy command in ssh to do this if I understand you correctly |
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| 02:28 | <vook> | ok |
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| 02:29 | <vook> | thanks |
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| 02:30 | <jm_> | no worries |
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| 02:36 | <vook> | yeah, weird -L 2022:localhost:22 doesn't work well - authentication failing. |
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| 02:38 | <Gerowen> | I'm trying to secure my Samba server for browsing by both a Linux laptop and a Windows 7 desktop |
| 02:40 | <th> | vook, where do you run that ssh command? host Z? |
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| 02:47 | <Gerowen> | I added browseable = true and security = share to the global section and was finally able to open the folder on my win7 box, but it is authenticating me as guest |
| 02:47 | <Gerowen> | The only way to modify the files is to chmod a+rwx it, and I don't want to do that, I've got some groups set up for certain folders |
| 02:48 | <Gerowen> | All I want to do is have it actually authenticate me as me so I don't have to open everything up |
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| 02:52 | <bones_was_here> | Gerowen: windows does tend to have stupid behavior with regard file sharing... at work samba is kerberized and only allows windows machines to connect if they provide the user's ticket, at home i have only 1 share that windows computers can access and its globally writable without password because i couldn't be bothered trying to get it working for all the different versions of windows :p |
| 02:52 | <bones_was_here> | maybe try #samba on freenode |
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| 02:53 | <Gerowen> | Yeah, it works just fine from my Linux laptop to the Linux server, but Windows is being a pain, I'm gonna just a+rwx it and move my sensitive files to another drive, thanks! |
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| 03:00 | <ringneckparrot> | hey |
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| 04:10 | <pravin> | hi |
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| 04:11 | <pravin> | hi |
| 04:12 | <pravin> | r u there |
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| 04:14 | <pravin> | is there any one |
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| 04:15 | <pravin> | hi |
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| 04:16 | <pravin> | hi m pravin |
| 04:16 | <pravin> | need ur help |
| 04:16 | <streuner> | !ask |
| 04:16 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 04:17 | <pravin> | i m debian user debian lenny 5 on my device with mips arche |
| 04:17 | <pravin> | i written a script which will copy the contnt from usb to device when device is booting |
| 04:18 | <pravin> | but i cant see the debug message on my screen as the kernel image i m using is preempt and our developer might hv switch off verbos mode |
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| 04:19 | <chl501> | Is it correct to have /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf with value net.ipv6.bindv6only=0, if I need my app to talk in ipv4 only? |
| 04:19 | <pravin> | i ji just want to see that wen i connect usb to device and will boot it it copies files to device and it should show cpmplition status on device screen |
| 04:20 | <pravin> | can you help me how can i do that |
| 04:20 | <pravin> | ? |
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| 04:32 | <chl501> | !bindv6only |
| 04:32 | <dpkg> | net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 was set in netbase 4.38, no longer set by default since netbase 4.42 (BTS #560238). net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 breaks networking in Java for sun-java6-jdk (BTS #560044). For older Squeeze installations, use "sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart" to revert. |
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| 04:34 | <flakk> | hello people I am trying to get an internet access through dhcp in my new squeeze debian box. i have a problem: the #network-admin does display the item "connections" at all. anyhelp? |
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| 04:53 | <pharm> | Anyone else had their gnome-panel disapper? It seems to be causingthe X server to burn cpu as well. |
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| 04:58 | <mehmeh> | hello, i have spilled coffee on my laptop and now my keyboard turns off at random times for some reason. i was wondering if linux is capable to reset the keyboard with some command... |
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| 04:59 | <mehmeh> | because if i suspend the laptop, like in stand by, the keyboard works |
| 04:59 | <mehmeh> | when i power it back |
| 05:00 | <mehmeh> | the thing is, i can't always suspend it because that breaks my network connection and i can't have that. any solution please ? |
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| 05:03 | <mehmeh> | btw, restarting GDM didn't worked. at least that didn't reset my network connection |
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| 05:12 | <fnmueller> | mehmeh: seriously, just clean your laptop / keybiard |
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| 05:13 | <mehmeh> | i think it's damaged... |
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| 05:13 | <mehmeh> | but also i have no idea how to open it up |
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| 05:13 | <devil> | mehmeh: screwdriver? |
| 05:13 | <mehmeh> | it's a hp pavillion and they make them so you can't open then |
| 05:13 | <mehmeh> | no screwes |
| 05:13 | <devil> | mehmeh: seriously? |
| 05:13 | <mehmeh> | yes |
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| 05:14 | <mehmeh> | there is a lid |
| 05:14 | <devil> | cant believe that |
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| 05:14 | <cpatrick08> | hp pavillion what |
| 05:14 | <mehmeh> | dv6600 series |
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| 05:14 | <mehmeh> | i have checked the tech manual |
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| 05:14 | <mehmeh> | and they show the order of things to remove in order to access the cpu etc |
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| 05:15 | <devil> | mehmeh: how do you get to change the harddisk? |
| 05:15 | <mehmeh> | and first step is removing the fromtal thing around the keyboard, and when i've tried, it broked a corned |
| 05:15 | <mehmeh> | so i said, better leave it like that |
| 05:15 | <mehmeh> | the hdd is on the other side |
| 05:15 | <mehmeh> | you can access it with screwes |
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| 05:16 | <mehmeh> | also the ram |
| 05:16 | <mehmeh> | and the wireless card |
| 05:16 | <cpatrick08> | mehmeh, try this link http://www.insidemylaptop.com/disassemble-hp-pavilion-dv6500-dv6600-dv6700-dv6800-notebooks/ |
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| 05:16 | <devil> | ah, so no screws for the kbd |
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| 05:16 | <mehmeh> | yes devil |
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| 05:17 | <mehmeh> | cpatrick08 check step 6 |
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| 05:17 | <mehmeh> | that's where something went wrong and it craked |
| 05:17 | <mehmeh> | i'm aware of the tutorials |
| 05:18 | <mehmeh> | so i'm looking for a soft reset command rather than have a super glued laptop |
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| 05:20 | <devil> | mehmeh: i would have it cleaned by a notebook-service |
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| 05:20 | <mehmeh> | yea, but i'd rather buy a usb keyboard than paying them the price i could buy a bluetooth one |
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| 05:24 | <rpetre> | mehmeh: you forgot to factor in the trouble of having to deal with an external keyboard :) |
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| 05:24 | <mehmeh> | :/ |
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| 05:26 | <fnmueller> | mehmeh: coffee in laptop might also lead to some other permanent oder non-permanent malfunction. In the end, the whole thing could just rust away. |
| 05:26 | <mehmeh> | yea but it was a very small spill |
| 05:26 | <rpetre> | all in all, the price of buying the part or having it cleaned by service may be worth it after all |
| 05:26 | <mehmeh> | and it dried out |
| 05:27 | <rpetre> | don't attempt to clean it yourself, it takes a few broken keys until you learn the trick to reassemble it (i know) |
| 05:27 | <mehmeh> | yea... |
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| 05:30 | <devil> | yeah, notebook-keyboards are a PITA to reassemble. disassembling is easy ;) |
| 05:34 | <rpetre> | made me feel like a 5-year-old again :) 5 minutes to disassemble, 1 hour to reassemble |
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| 05:49 | <mehmeh> | i think my solution is to manual reinstall the keyboard drivers each time it turns off. but i have no idea how to do it |
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| 05:51 | <coolGuy> | Hello |
| 05:51 | <coolGuy> | Can't seem to get X to work properly |
| 05:52 | <coolGuy> | screen is small and doesn't cover the whole monitor screen |
| 05:52 | <coolGuy> | also refresh rate shows as 0 |
| 05:52 | <devil> | coolGuy: any relevant info at hand? :) |
| 05:53 | <devil> | coolGuy: like pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 05:53 | <coolGuy> | ah, one moment |
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| 05:55 | <_chaos_> | hi |
| 05:56 | <_chaos_> | i managed to fuck up my debian good :) |
| 05:56 | <scardinal> | _chaos_: you chose an apropriate nick then ;) |
| 05:56 | <cliworksbetter> | Debian fonts suck, regardless of whether or not you install the ttf-mttcorefonts (that doesn't seem to be the issue, by the way). Interestingly, this doesn't happen in ubuntu and it looks very different even if you use exactly the same set of fonts. What could be causing this? graphic card drivers? lack of auto-hinting/aliasing? |
| 05:57 | <_chaos_> | upgraded to wheezy and my /dev/disks/ is gone |
| 05:57 | <fnmueller> | _chaos_: go to #d-next |
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| 05:57 | <_chaos_> | http://pastebin.com/3JcgVDxW <-- that's what i get on boot |
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| 05:58 | <bernat> | cliworksbetter: iirc there was some patch for debian libs to fix it |
| 05:58 | <cliworksbetter> | bernat: what does iirc mean? (besides Internet RElay Chat) |
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| 05:58 | <cliworksbetter> | ok, "If I remember correctly" ? |
| 05:59 | <themill> | cliworksbetter: there is no way that debian would be relying on msttcorefonts for nice fonts. Think about it. |
| 05:59 | <coolGuy> | devil, here is my Xorg.0.log file. http://pastebin.com/et3yNP7S |
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| 05:59 | <bernat> | cliworksbetter: a fast google search showed me this: http://lovingthepenguin.blogspot.com/2010/07/ubuntu-font-rendering-in-debian-squeeze.html |
| 05:59 | <cliworksbetter> | themill: yeah, what I am trying to say is that the solution is not about installer other fonts but about how the already installed fonts are displayed |
| 06:01 | <devil> | coolGuy: sorry, this is not debian |
| 06:01 | <coolGuy> | It's a debian derivative, tho |
| 06:01 | <coolGuy> | it's a live distro |
| 06:01 | <devil> | coolGuy: well, this is the debian channel. i never heard of privatix |
| 06:02 | <_chaos_> | fnmueller, what's that< |
| 06:02 | <bernat> | _chaos_: channel #debian-next |
| 06:02 | <devil> | coolGuy: as a hint: you got hundreds of lines with: (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUTCMAP: Invalid argument |
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| 06:02 | <cliworksbetter> | bernat: thanks |
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| 06:03 | <coolGuy> | Yeah, I saw that, I'll google it |
| 06:03 | <cliworksbetter> | bernat: by the way, how are you able to live with debian fonts? doesn't it feel uncomfortable to you? |
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| 06:05 | <bernat> | I use testing/unstable in my desktop machines and I think they don't look so bad, don't know if it's me or they've fixed it |
| 06:05 | <devil> | coolGuy: also, if it is a live-cd, give it some cheatcodes. like xmodule=vesa xres=[your desired resolution] |
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| 06:05 | <coolGuy> | yeah, I may try that, thanks |
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| 06:06 | <_chaos_> | umm... that channel doesn't seem to be alive :\ |
| 06:07 | <bernat> | _chaos_: alive or not, questions about testing/unstable go there |
| 06:07 | <_chaos_> | nm |
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| 06:14 | <mehmeh> | any idea how should i script a command like ctrl+alt+f1 so i can run it without a keyboard? is it possible ? |
| 06:14 | <Bushmills> | mehmeh: chvt 1 |
| 06:15 | <mehmeh> | command? |
| 06:15 | <Bushmills> | affirmative |
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| 06:16 | <Bushmills> | comes from package kbd |
| 06:17 | <mehmeh> | @PC:~$ chvt 1 |
| 06:17 | <mehmeh> | Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console |
| 06:17 | <Bushmills> | or console-tools. not sure which one |
| 06:17 | <Bushmills> | try running as root, or suid it |
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| 06:28 | <mehmeh_ghost> | thanks Bushmills it worked |
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| 06:28 | <mehmeh_ghost> | but lol, my keyboard didn't worked in command mode as well |
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| 06:28 | <mehmeh_ghost> | had to hard reset it |
| 06:28 | <mehmeh_ghost> | at least i've tried it :) |
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| 06:29 | <mehmeh> | thank you for the help everyone, i'm buying a usb kbd |
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| 06:31 | <etenil> | Hi there |
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| 06:37 | <etenil> | I'm having a problem with the package libpam-ck-connector, the installation (or uninstallation) of the package is just stuck with it |
| 06:38 | <etenil> | I couldn't manage to install it as it's stuck at the "setting up libpam-ck-connector" stage, and I can't remove with 'dpkg -r' either |
| 06:38 | <etenil> | what can I do to sort this out without reinstalling debian? |
| 06:38 | <bernat> | no error message? |
| 06:38 | <etenil> | no |
| 06:38 | <bernat> | squeeze? |
| 06:38 | <etenil> | nothing, it justs sits there |
| 06:38 | <etenil> | yes, squeeze |
| 06:39 | <etenil> | i386 |
| 06:39 | <jm_> | check process tree (pstree) |
| 06:39 | <etenil> | ok |
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| 06:40 | <etenil> | it's doing "pam-auth-update" |
| 06:41 | <jm_> | which is a perl script |
| 06:41 | <lindi-> | pam-auth-update: update /etc/pam.d/common-* from /usr/share/pam-configs |
| 06:42 | <jm_> | maybe it tried to show a debconf question and you don't see it or whatever |
| 06:42 | <etenil> | perhaps |
| 06:42 | <etenil> | but then I don't know what to do about it |
| 06:42 | <lindi-> | there are several loops that might not terminate |
| 06:42 | <etenil> | maybe I'll try from a tty instead |
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| 06:43 | <lindi-> | bug #601825 [i| |=] [libpam-runtime] libpam-runtime: Loops on "No PAM profiles have been selected" in some installation case |
| 06:44 | <lindi-> | "I've looked at this a couple times more while going |
| 06:44 | <lindi-> | through the pam bugs, but have come up with no ideas as to the cause |
| 06:44 | <lindi-> | " |
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| 06:45 | <lindi-> | etenil: do you have time? maybe we could ask Steve to join the conversation here? |
| 06:45 | <etenil> | well it work this time |
| 06:45 | <etenil> | from tty |
| 06:45 | <etenil> | or maybe I was just lucky |
| 06:45 | <lindi-> | etenil: oh no, so you don't see the bug anymore? |
| 06:45 | <etenil> | I seemed to have a zombie pam-auth-update process though |
| 06:46 | <etenil> | had to kill it with -9 message |
| 06:46 | <etenil> | although I didn't see any error message of any kind |
| 06:46 | <lindi-> | etenil: you can't kill zombies with kill -9 |
| 06:47 | <bernat> | maybe it wasn't this bug, he didn't get an error message |
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| 06:48 | <nshine> | hey all, i have installed the samba package from the official repo, but from time to time (some hours) it just "stop" - not the service it self, but it seems like the listening port (139) is down, nmbd keep listening but smbd is just stop |
| 06:48 | <nshine> | i was trying to restart the service, didnt help, only reboot is helping, any ideas? |
| 06:49 | <lindi-> | etenil: can you try to make the bug occur again? |
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| 06:50 | <bernat> | nshine: see the logs in /var/log/samba |
| 06:50 | <etenil> | lindi-: I'd rather not :D |
| 06:50 | <lindi-> | etenil: well we'd like to fix the problem very much |
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| 06:51 | <etenil> | well I only need to uninstall/reinstall it? |
| 06:51 | <lindi-> | etenil: possibly |
| 06:52 | <etenil> | there you go |
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| 06:52 | <etenil> | it seems pretty reproductible |
| 06:52 | <lindi-> | great |
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| 06:52 | <etenil> | it does that only when started from xterm |
| 06:52 | <etenil> | it seems to work fine in tty |
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| 06:52 | <etenil> | if there's any test you'd like me to do, fire away |
| 06:53 | <lindi-> | etenil: It's Steve who'd probably know what to test |
| 06:53 | <lindi-> | etenil: are you going to be here later today? |
| 06:53 | <etenil> | yeah |
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| 06:55 | <etenil> | yup, I re-confirm, it works just fine in TTY |
| 06:55 | <jm_> | etenil: how is your debconf front-end configured? |
| 06:55 | <etenil> | I don't know what you mean by that |
| 06:55 | <etenil> | sorry, I'm afraid I'm not a debian wizard yet |
| 06:56 | <jm_> | debconf-show debconf | grep frontend |
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| 06:56 | <etenil> | debconf/frontend Dialog |
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| 06:57 | <jm_> | ok so that's likely not it |
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| 06:58 | <lindi-> | etenil: kill the pam-auth-update process |
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| 06:58 | <lindi-> | etenil: does running "pam-auth-update --package" manually as root also loop? |
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| 06:59 | <etenil> | in xterm or tty? |
| 06:59 | <jm_> | i'd just run it through perl with PERLDB_OPTS to trace it |
| 06:59 | <etenil> | hum |
| 07:00 | <etenil> | could you explain how I do this? |
| 07:01 | <lindi-> | etenil: you can try both in tty and xterm |
| 07:02 | <etenil> | alright |
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| 07:03 | <jm_> | etenil: first try running it manually to see if you can reproduce the bug |
| 07:03 | <lindi-> | etenil: if it behaves differently it should not be hard to figure out the cause |
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| 07:06 | <etenil> | alright |
| 07:06 | <etenil> | pam-auth-update is stuck when started in xterm |
| 07:06 | <etenil> | it runs fine in tty |
| 07:06 | <etenil> | both as root without sudo |
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| 07:08 | <treaki> | hello, i want to install debian on a Power Macintosh 7600/132 |
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| 07:08 | <treaki> | what i have to do for that? |
| 07:08 | <treaki> | i think i need a floppy image to boot but... |
| 07:08 | <treaki> | in the squeeze folder there are only cd images |
| 07:09 | <treaki> | and the images from http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-powerpc/20070308/images/powerpc/floppy/ dosnt work.. |
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| 07:10 | <flakk> | Hi people I amtrying to connect to Internet from my new squeeze box through DHCP. The standard way to do this - through #network-admin does not work. any help? |
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| 07:10 | <devil> | flakk: #network-admin? |
| 07:11 | <flakk> | devil: yes |
| 07:11 | <lindi-> | etenil: great |
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| 07:11 | <devil> | flakk: please be more verbose. is this wired or wireless? |
| 07:11 | <jm_> | etenil: man perlrun, search for PERLDB_OPTS |
| 07:11 | <devil> | flakk: and what is #network-admin? |
| 07:13 | <lindi-> | etenil: script -c 'PERLDB_OPTS="NonStop=1 AutoTrace=1 frame=2" perl -dS /usr/sbin/pam-auth-update --package' |
| 07:13 | <etenil> | ok |
| 07:13 | <etenil> | lindi-: I try |
| 07:13 | <lindi-> | etenil: that should produce a file named "typescript" |
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| 07:13 | <lindi-> | etenil: so rename it to typescript.tty and typescript.xterm |
| 07:14 | <flakk> | devil: wired connection ADSL in fact. I succeeded once to make the connectin through pppoe but it does not work any more. I would prefer dhcp anyway. #network-admin is a toolfor configuring the internet connections |
| 07:14 | <flakk> | see for example http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gnome-network-admin |
| 07:14 | <lindi-> | etenil: so maybe even script -f -c 'PERLDB_OPTS="NonStop=1 AutoTrace=1 frame=2" perl -dS /usr/sbin/pam-auth-update --package' typescript.tty |
| 07:14 | <lindi-> | etenil: and script -f -c 'PERLDB_OPTS="NonStop=1 AutoTrace=1 frame=2" perl -dS /usr/sbin/pam-auth-update --package' typescript.xterm |
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| 07:15 | <etenil> | lindi-: got it |
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| 07:19 | <flakk> | treaki: i thought one can not instlal another OS on a MAc machine |
| 07:21 | <treaki> | @flakk its sould work look at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch02s01.html.de#id376589 |
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| 07:22 | <flakk> | treaki OK then it is just my ignorance |
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| 07:25 | <devil> | flakk: can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 07:28 | <flakk> | devil: http://pastebin.com/u38FZSpz |
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| 07:30 | <devil> | flakk: from a quick glance, anything below line 10 is not needed normaly |
| 07:30 | <devil> | bbl |
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| 07:31 | <flakk> | ok so how do i launch the connection |
| 07:32 | <etenil> | lindi-: In TTY: http://dpaste.com/569188/ and in xterm: http://dpaste.com/569190/ |
| 07:33 | <etenil> | dunno if it helps at all though |
| 07:33 | <etenil> | note that I've rebooted my machine between the tests |
| 07:33 | <etenil> | and now pam-auth-update runs in xterm |
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| 07:34 | <etenil> | maybe it was related to another process that got terminated when shutting down the PC |
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| 07:36 | <bernat> | etenil: why did you reboot? something related to the problem? |
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| 07:42 | <flakk> | I have another problem with squeeze: no sound. any help? |
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| 07:43 | <jm_> | !alsa checklist |
| 07:43 | <dpkg> | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 07:43 | <jm_> | flakk: ^^^^ |
| 07:44 | <flakk> | jm_ thanx trying |
| 07:44 | <jm_> | flakk: also run: cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 07:46 | <flakk> | the user is already member of audio |
| 07:46 | <jm_> | yeah that's the default nowadays |
| 07:46 | <jm_> | the factoid is a bit older |
| 07:46 | <lindi-> | etenil: ok |
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| 07:46 | <lindi-> | etenil: the trace indeed shows that both exit successfully |
| 07:47 | <flakk> | and this is good - also the keyboard managing is great in squ |
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| 07:49 | <etenil> | bernat: no, I rebooted to get my graphics card running with the right drivers |
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| 07:50 | <steki> | hi |
| 07:50 | <steki> | i have a problem packing an application |
| 07:51 | <steki> | i want to use the dbconfig scripts |
| 07:51 | <steki> | but the script doesn't create a password |
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| 07:51 | <steki> | it just leaves it empty |
| 07:51 | <Black_Prince> | steki, for packaging questions join #debian-mentors |
| 07:51 | <steki> | k |
| 07:51 | <steki> | ty ;) |
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| 07:51 | <flakk> | jm_ the section headphon in alsamixer is "MM" - does that mean mute? |
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| 07:52 | <jm_> | flakk: yes |
| 07:52 | <flakk> | how do i unmute it? |
| 07:53 | <jm_> | flakk: press F1 for help, you can also use a GUI version of alsamixer if you prefer that |
| 07:53 | <flakk> | oh both Masters are a lso unmute |
| 07:53 | <flakk> | alsamixergui? |
| 07:53 | <jm_> | well if they are unmuted then that's fine |
| 07:53 | <jm_> | for example yes |
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| 07:54 | <Black_Prince> | flakk, what sound card do you have? |
| 07:54 | <flakk> | 1 sec |
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| 07:55 | <swex_h> | can anybody help me with apt-get prlm |
| 07:56 | <flakk> | I do not have a dedicatd sound card - just a motherboard |
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| 07:56 | <Black_Prince> | flakk, intel? |
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| 07:57 | <swex_h> | my apt-get update returns me |
| 07:57 | <swex_h> | E: Encountered a section with no Package: header |
| 07:57 | <swex_h> | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.ru.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 07:57 | <flakk> | asus |
| 07:57 | <swex_h> | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened |
| 07:58 | <jm_> | swex_h: did you try any other mirrors? |
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| 07:58 | <win7> | Ø® |
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| 07:58 | <flakk> | <Black_Prince> alsamixer says intel ich5 |
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| 07:58 | <swex_h> | yep |
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| 07:59 | <Black_Prince> | flakk, and model? |
| 07:59 | <swex_h> | jm_, same thig with others |
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| 07:59 | <jm_> | swex_h: are you using some kind of a proxy? |
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| 07:59 | <swex_h> | jm_, no, but im under nat, cause of virtual machine |
| 08:00 | <jm_> | swex_h: what's md5sum of that file: |
| 08:00 | <jm_> | ? |
| 08:01 | <swex_h> | jm_, d84ea6521deaeaf680d0bc0494b102c2 |
| 08:01 | <jm_> | swex_h: I downloaded it and when uncompressing it I get b4074460f17e47205ebd859c53299a21 |
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| 08:02 | <swex_h> | hm ok |
| 08:02 | <jm_> | swex_h: hmm but your error is complaining about merge lists |
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| 08:03 | <jm_> | swex_h: did you check if there are any kernel errors in dmesg output? did you try removing (or moving them elsewhere) files in /var/lib/apt/lists/* ? |
| 08:04 | <swex_h> | tryed to remove all files |
| 08:05 | <swex_h> | no errors in dmesg |
| 08:05 | <swex_h> | jm_, .. |
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| 08:06 | <jm_> | swex_h: hmm can't try that mirror myself now |
| 08:07 | <swex_h> | jm_, I've got the same with any mirror... |
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| 08:07 | <swex_h> | jm_, seems like problem isn't in mirror something broken in apt.. |
| 08:07 | <thewanderer> | what package do I install to enable Internet radio in rhythmbox, again? |
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| 08:07 | <jm_> | swex_h: that sounds unlikely or many other people will experience it |
| 08:08 | <swex_h> | jm_, tried to clear apt cache and clean lists/* |
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| 08:09 | <swex_h> | jm_, looks like i just cant fetch packages.. |
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| 08:10 | <bernat> | swex_h: I've experienced a similar problem and fixed it removing the bad files, I don't remember more details though |
| 08:11 | <swex_h> | bernat, ))) thx thats very helpful!) |
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| 08:11 | <swex_h> | I'm googlin it for about 2 hours and still no glue.. |
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| 08:12 | <bernat> | swex_h: do you get the same file and complains again? |
| 08:12 | <jm_> | swex_h: perhaps try to use apt's debug options to see what is going on |
| 08:13 | <swex_h> | bernat, yep |
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| 08:14 | <mattcen> | Hi all. My server has both tty[0-4] and ttyS0 usable as consoles (so I can view either on local head, or via serial). |
| 08:15 | <mattcen> | How can I output messages such as 'Starting <service>...' and (when in recovery mode) 'Give root password for maintenance' etc to either both tty0 and ttyS0, or just ttyS0? |
| 08:15 | <mattcen> | currently all this output is on tty0 only |
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| 08:16 | <swex_h> | jm_, bernat : miracle I changet mirror and ... problem solved |
| 08:16 | <jm_> | swex_h: heh |
| 08:16 | <thewanderer> | mattcen: http://redsymbol.net/linux_boot_parameters/ -- search for console= |
| 08:17 | <jm_> | mattcen: some more details in serial-console.txt |
| 08:17 | <bernat> | swex_h: your download was going wrong for some reason, maybe your network |
| 08:18 | <thewanderer> | mattcen: as far as I know, you can't output the messages (printk and friends) to many places - there is only one stdin and one stdout for the kernel itself |
| 08:18 | <jm_> | thewanderer: actually serial-console.txt says you can |
| 08:18 | <thewanderer> | jm_: hm okay |
| 08:19 | <thewanderer> | so multiple output, single input |
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| 08:19 | <jm_> | yup |
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| 08:25 | <mattcen> | Ah ok, so the *last* console defined displays /dev/console (which shows the output I was looking for), rather than the first (which is what I'd have expected) |
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| 08:26 | <mattcen> | jm_: Where are you looking for the multiple output bit? I can see that *kernel* messages appear on multiple consoles, but not other (printk?) messages |
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| 08:28 | <jm_> | mattcen: <jm_> mattcen: some more details in serial-console.txt |
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| 08:29 | <mattcen> | jm_: I meant, where in serial-console.txt. I can't see (or am overlooking) the bit you're referring to |
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| 08:30 | <jm_> | mattcen: You can specify multiple console= ... |
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| 08:31 | <mattcen> | Ah, OK, then I've misunderstood what you were implying (or you've misunderstood exactly what console= does). |
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| 08:32 | <mattcen> | Yes, I have the following: console=tty0 console=ttyS0,38400n8 |
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| 08:34 | <mattcen> | This outputs kernel messages to both ttys (and later, I start a getty on both). But messages about services going up/down, and (i suspect) fsck progress will still only appear on the last tty specified by the last console= argument |
| 08:34 | <jm_> | yes I reread it and I see I got it backwards, sorry |
| 08:35 | <mattcen> | OK, cool. Well at least I know that I can change which tty displays that output by re-ordering the arguments, so that's a small win. Thanks guys |
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| 08:41 | <zombie51> | hello |
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| 08:42 | <Classical> | what was the name of the package that gives you ability to use mouse cursor in virtual terminal ? |
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| 08:43 | <Classical> | i forget the name of it can someone reminder me ? |
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| 08:44 | <_chaos_> | which uk mirror supports squeeze< |
| 08:44 | <_chaos_> | ? |
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| 08:44 | <_chaos_> | i tried ftp.uk.debian.org and debian.man.co.uk both failed :P |
| 08:44 | <jm_> | Classical: gpm |
| 08:45 | <Classical> | jm_, oh thanks |
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| 08:54 | <_chaos_> | anybody got any guesses why i can't fetch packages to install squeeze from ftp.*.debian.org? |
| 08:54 | <petemc> | what happens when you try? |
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| 08:55 | <_chaos_> | WARNING **: mirror does not support the specified release (squeeze) |
| 08:55 | <_chaos_> | from the debug screen |
| 08:56 | <petemc> | can you pastebin your sources.list |
| 08:56 | <_chaos_> | i'm running an install cd |
| 08:56 | <_chaos_> | i have no sources.list |
| 08:56 | <petemc> | which cd are you using? |
| 08:57 | <_chaos_> | well... can't really say some1 else put it in the box :) |
| 08:57 | <petemc> | can you see the url its trying to access? |
| 08:58 | <jm_> | check other tty-s - alt-f2 alt-f3 ... |
| 08:58 | <jm_> | but off now |
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| 08:58 | <_chaos_> | wget -q http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian//distssid/Release -O - | grep -E '^(Suite|Codename):' |
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| 09:13 | <lexi> | hi |
| 09:13 | <lexi> | I'm having trouble installing debian stable |
| 09:13 | <lexi> | am64 |
| 09:13 | <lexi> | *amd64 |
| 09:13 | <_chaos_> | join the club :P |
| 09:13 | <lexi> | it's saying that it can't install grub |
| 09:13 | <Classical> | lexi, error ? |
| 09:14 | <lexi> | only if I get a laminate membership card |
| 09:14 | <lexi> | I didn't get an error except could not install grub onto sda |
| 09:14 | <lexi> | how do I get the full error |
| 09:14 | <lexi> | it's in graphical mode... |
| 09:14 | <Classical> | lexi, switch to virtual console |
| 09:14 | <lexi> | how do I do that? |
| 09:15 | <Classical> | ctrl alt f1 f2 |
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| 09:15 | <Classical> | to come back in graphical mode use ctrl + alt + f7 |
| 09:16 | <lexi> | ok, will have to restart the installation was about to give up and so shutdown machine |
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| 09:16 | <lexi> | also I have two harddrives.. is it possible to encrypt them both with the same password and have only to type it in once |
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| 09:17 | <lindi-> | lexi: just use LVM to combine them |
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| 09:17 | <lexi> | ok but they are dramaticly different in speed I want to be able to differenciate between them |
| 09:18 | <sicomz-ch3unk> | hi |
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| 09:19 | <sissie> | HI could someone help ? I'm trying to install Math::Pari (tried with Cpan and source without success) |
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| 09:25 | <geek> | http://test.com/sdnsdlkndsflksdnfsdlknfsldkfnsdlkfnsdlkfnsdlkfsdnflksdnflaksndfsn000testtestsfvlnadfvlkasdnvsdlakvnsadlvksnasdvksldnvsldkvnsdlkvnasdlvkansdvlskndvlaksvnsdlkvn |
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| 09:27 | <geek> | never mind |
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| 09:36 | <ayaka> | welcome back dpkg |
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| 09:36 | <_chaos_> | dpkg left? |
| 09:36 | <dpkg> | Don't you just hate when a user leaves right in the middle of your writing a reply? |
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| 09:36 | * | _chaos_ slaps dpkg |
| 09:36 | <rpetre> | !beer dpkg |
| 09:36 | * | dpkg deftly decants a fine Stone Arrogant Bastard for dpkg |
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| 09:37 | <_chaos_> | my box is killing me ... i burnt a live cd but it won't boot from it even tho another box did boot from the same dvd! |
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| 09:44 | <lindi-> | _chaos_: try usb? |
| 09:45 | <_chaos_> | i don't think this mobo supports usb boot :) |
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| 09:46 | <abrotman> | burn at a slower rate .. and does the other system have a CD or DVD drive? |
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| 09:47 | <_chaos_> | i only have dvd-rw drives :) |
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| 09:47 | <_chaos_> | trying a knoppix now .. if that fails too i'll try burning @ 2x |
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| 09:48 | <_chaos_> | but 1x ... yuck! |
| 09:49 | <lexi> | ok I got it installed |
| 09:49 | <lexi> | must have made a mistake partitioning it |
| 09:51 | <flakk> | hi people I have problems with sound in my new squeeze box - there is no sound |
| 09:51 | <flakk> | any help? |
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| 09:54 | <Bushmills> | insert an audio card? |
| 09:55 | <_chaos_> | funny |
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| 09:55 | <Bushmills> | if he had one, he surely had let us know which one. |
| 09:55 | <Bushmills> | he didn't, ergo he doesn't have one |
| 09:56 | <flakk> | Bushmills - sorry do not understand what you suggest. I so not have a dedicated audio card - only tha motherboard. |
| 09:56 | <Bushmills> | you motherboard doesn't seem to come with audio controller |
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| 09:57 | <Bushmills> | insert an audio card |
| 09:57 | <flakk> | Bushmills - well I used it all the times with lenny and it worked |
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| 09:57 | <flakk> | just 3 days ago ) |
| 09:57 | <Bushmills> | you didn't quite pick up the hint of "not letting us know which one", did you? |
| 09:58 | <_chaos_> | /lspci? |
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| 09:59 | <flakk> | alsamixergui says Intel Ich5 |
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| 10:02 | <devil> | flakk: as you are in alsamixer already, check if everything is unmuted and vol up |
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| 10:05 | <flakk> | devil: I unmuted all three masters columns - and the column Headphon also - but the column headphon has only one cell namely OO and I can not do "vol up" |
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| 10:06 | <clegg> | okay guys |
| 10:06 | <clegg> | im having some problems with my iceweasel |
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| 10:07 | <_chaos_> | burnt dvd @ 2.4x still can't boot from it |
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| 10:07 | <lexi> | how do I find drivers for my graphics card... they don't need to be amazing, just able to show the right resolutions |
| 10:07 | <_chaos_> | and i just checked the bios no usb boot option |
| 10:08 | <lexi> | is there a database of hardware |
| 10:08 | <lexi> | I can search in |
| 10:08 | <devil> | lexi: do we know your card? |
| 10:08 | <_chaos_> | i would start @ producers homepage |
| 10:08 | <Holborn> | :-) |
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| 10:09 | <lexi> | 1GB AMD RADEON™ HD6670 - DVI,HDMI,VGA - DX® 11 |
| 10:09 | <MTecknology> | I'm trying to do an automated install process. I was wondering how hard it would be to make the install cd (using the net install disk) automatically select the Automated Install option, add a kernel parameter, then answec No to 'Load CD drivers from removable Media?' then 'Yes' and '/dev/cdrom' and 'eth0' to the next three that pop up |
| 10:09 | <Bushmills> | lexi: drivers for what program? xorg? |
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| 10:10 | <clegg> | so I was doing apt-get update, and then I get this: W: Failed to fetch http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/squeeze-backports/Release |
| 10:10 | <clegg> | Unable to find expected entry iceweasel-5.0/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 10:10 | <lexi> | for gnome..? |
| 10:10 | <clegg> | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 10:10 | <Bushmills> | gnome does't need own drivers. gnome programs talk to X |
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| 10:10 | <_chaos_> | clegg fix your /etc/apt/sources.list :) |
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| 10:11 | <clegg> | hmmm, I'll have a look |
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| 10:11 | <Bushmills> | just using "ati" as video driver should do. xorg should even detect that by itself |
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| 10:12 | <lexi> | Bushmills: well I started it up and it load up gnome etc |
| 10:12 | <lexi> | but the resolution is wrong |
| 10:12 | <lexi> | and it won't let me change it to higher |
| 10:12 | <lexi> | than 1280*1024 |
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| 10:12 | <Bushmills> | how do you try to change resolution? |
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| 10:13 | <lexi> | through the gnome interface |
| 10:13 | <lexi> | hmm good point |
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| 10:14 | <clegg> | okay so I have this in my sources.list: |
| 10:14 | <clegg> | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib |
| 10:14 | <clegg> | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 10:14 | <clegg> | # deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib |
| 10:14 | <clegg> | deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-5.0 |
| 10:14 | <Bushmills> | preferred method to change resolution is nowadays by using xrandr. alternatively, specify reoslutions in an xorg config file which you'd have to create for that purpose. |
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| 10:15 | <Bushmills> | what and how the gnome interface changes resolutions, i can't tell |
| 10:15 | <lexi> | xrandr says the maximum is 1280 * 1024 |
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| 10:15 | <Bushmills> | xrandr allows to configure new modes |
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| 10:16 | <lexi> | however the monitor is built for 1920 * 1024 |
| 10:18 | <Bushmills> | there's also a xserver-xorg-video-radeon driver, instead of xserver-xorg-video-ati |
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| 10:19 | <clegg> | what should I do in my sources.list then |
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| 10:19 | <clegg> | looks cool to me |
| 10:19 | <lexi> | Bushmills: that seems to be installed |
| 10:20 | <lexi> | tried installing the proprietary drivers too |
| 10:20 | <lexi> | but they couldn't detect the graphics card |
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| 10:32 | <JuanDosSantos1991> | Hello |
| 10:33 | <JuanDosSantos1991> | What I should use, aptitude or apt-get ??? |
| 10:33 | <lindi-> | JuanDosSantos1991: only one question mark :-) |
| 10:34 | <JuanDosSantos1991> | I like three :) :) :) |
| 10:34 | <devil> | JuanDosSantos1991: coffee or tea? |
| 10:34 | <JuanDosSantos1991> | devil: coffee |
| 10:34 | <devil> | JuanDosSantos1991: ok, so apt :) |
| 10:34 | <babilen> | !tell JuanDosSantos1991 -about why aptitude |
| 10:34 | <babilen> | !tell JuanDosSantos1991 -about why not aptitude |
| 10:34 | <clegg> | anyone know why I cant update my Iceweasel then? |
| 10:34 | <devil> | clegg: from? |
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| 10:35 | <clegg> | 5.0 |
| 10:35 | <devil> | clegg: you want 6/7? |
| 10:35 | <clegg> | I got a triangle in the notification area in GNOME telling me that its old |
| 10:35 | <devil> | iceweasel 5 is not old |
| 10:35 | <babilen> | JuanDosSantos1991: I prefer aptitude and have not regretted that choice. The main reasons for this choice comprise: 1. Vastly superiour search functionality 2. Interactive dependency resolution |
| 10:35 | <clegg> | no I want to apt-get update without error messages |
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| 10:36 | <devil> | clegg: well, do you have debian.mozilla in your sources.list? |
| 10:36 | <clegg> | deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-5.0 |
| 10:36 | <clegg> | it says |
| 10:36 | <babilen> | JuanDosSantos1991: There are however situations in which it is not the right choice, so in short: Use the right tool for the job. |
| 10:37 | <JuanDosSantos1991> | babilen: a.e on dist-upgrade You should use apt-get |
| 10:37 | <devil> | clegg: ummh, no idea about backports for mozilla |
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| 10:38 | <lexi> | ok I managed to find a more up to date driver |
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| 10:38 | <babilen> | JuanDosSantos1991: Not necessarily, but for the lenny->squeeze update it is the recommended tool and I use apt-get for dist-upgrades (in the meaning of "upgrading between releases") |
| 10:38 | <lexi> | that recognised my card |
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| 10:38 | <babilen> | clegg: What error do you get? |
| 10:38 | <lexi> | but for some reason it still doesn't use the full size of the monitor |
| 10:38 | <JuanDosSantos1991> | babilen: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrading-full |
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| 10:39 | <clegg> | Unable to find expected entry iceweasel-5.0/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 10:39 | <clegg> | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 10:39 | <babilen> | clegg: I guess it is due to the reorganisation of the repository -- http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2115 -- But that is a shot in the dark as I haven't seen any errors/output yet. |
| 10:39 | <JuanDosSantos1991> | babilen: Have You noticed mysql-server problems on upgrade from lenny to squeeze? |
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| 10:39 | <JuanDosSantos1991> | I need always to purge mysql-server and reinstall it... |
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| 10:40 | <babilen> | JuanDosSantos1991: Yes, I am aware of the recommendation for lenny->squeeze. No, I haven't as I use postgres whereever I can ;) |
| 10:40 | <JuanDosSantos1991> | babilen: ah ok :) |
| 10:40 | <clegg> | nice google-fu, babilen ^_^ ill have a look at this |
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| 10:41 | <babilen> | clegg: You might want to consider to read http://planet.debian.org -- no google-fu involved in this case. :) |
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| 10:44 | <clegg> | so what are these "channels" then |
| 10:44 | <clegg> | it said in the blog that i need to update my sources.list to the corresponding channel |
| 10:44 | <fnmueller> | mozilla.d.org - I guess - have a look |
| 10:45 | <flakk> | Hi people I havae a problem with my new squeeze box - there is no sound. I fulfilled the recs given by dpkg as !alsa checklist but still no sound. any help? |
| 10:46 | <fnmueller> | clegg: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 10:47 | <lexi> | hi |
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| 10:47 | <lexi> | there is a large gap around my desktop |
| 10:48 | <clegg> | so I should just replace where it says "iceweasel-5.0" in my sources.list with "iceweasel-release"? |
| 10:48 | <fnmueller> | clegg: I would say so |
| 10:48 | <lexi> | the screen is the correct resolution for the monitor but for some reason it's still not working |
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| 10:51 | <fnmueller> | $b_{ic} gibt in einer multiplen regressionsanalyse an, in wie wit eine unabhängige ariable einen Beitrag zur Erklärung aller anderen unabhängigen Variablen in der Gleichung hinausgeht. |
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| 10:52 | <fnmueller> | argl, wrong programm, sorry |
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| 10:52 | <lexi> | Bushmills: |
| 10:52 | <clegg> | perfect, it worked! |
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| 10:52 | <clegg> | thank you gentlemen |
| 10:52 | <fnmueller> | np |
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| 10:53 | <Bushmills> | lexi: proprietary driver? |
| 10:53 | <lexi> | yes |
| 10:53 | <Bushmills> | i suppose ATI/AMD is the best address for support with proprietary stuff |
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| 10:53 | <lexi> | true |
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| 10:55 | <anirban> | i think its nvidia |
| 10:55 | <flakk> | I found my audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
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| 10:55 | <anirban> | nvidia support better then ati/amd |
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| 10:56 | <lexi> | had I known that |
| 10:56 | <lexi> | would have went with nvidia |
| 10:57 | <anirban> | ati did not support old cards |
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| 10:58 | <lexi> | Bushmills: is there anything within debian that controls the size of the screen |
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| 11:00 | <Bushmills> | the size of screen is given by hardware. the displayed resolution and virtual screen resolution by software. xorg, in your case |
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| 11:01 | <lexi> | ok so it's probably more my monitors fault than anything else |
| 11:01 | <lexi> | hmm.. |
| 11:01 | <lexi> | unless I use vga instead of hdmi |
| 11:01 | <lexi> | that might work |
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| 11:02 | <Bushmills> | "the size of the screen" - that's a hardware characteristic. measured in inches or cm |
| 11:02 | <fnmueller> | lexi: those screens normally have an on-scrren menu where corrections may be applied |
| 11:02 | <fnmueller> | I need a new keyboard |
| 11:03 | <anirban> | lexi, you can set via xrander |
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| 11:03 | <lexi> | hmm ok vga works.. hdmi doesn't |
| 11:04 | <lexi> | will have a look at that later... for now it will do |
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| 11:04 | <fernando-DF> | hi |
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| 11:06 | <flakk> | Hi people I havae a problem with my new squeeze box - there is no sound. I fulfilled the recs given by dpkg as !alsa checklist but still no sound. any help? |
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| 11:07 | <sney> | flakk: what sound device? |
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| 11:10 | <flakk> | sney: I do not know. so far I know the name and detalis of my sound card. Is this what you are asking for? i am sorry I am not an expert |
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| 11:11 | <sney> | flakk: run lspci -nn , find your sound card in the list, and tell me the part of the line that looks like [abcd:1234] |
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| 11:17 | <flakk> | sney: there are several lines citing my sound card the numbers you ask for are 8086:24d2, 8086:24d7 , 8086:24de and several others |
| 11:17 | <sney> | only one of them is your sound card |
| 11:17 | <sney> | the rest are other integrated intel devices |
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| 11:18 | <sney> | all three of those were usb devices, please find the one that actually says 'audio controller' |
| 11:19 | <flakk> | you are right sorry the correct line is 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:24d5] (rev 02) |
| 11:19 | <sney> | ,pciid 8086:24d5 |
| 11:19 | <judd> | [8086:24d5] is '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-intel8x0' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:24d5 http://wiki.debian.org/slmodem and the out-of-tree 'snd-intel8x0' module. |
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| 11:19 | <sney> | do 'lsmod' and see if snd-intel8x0 is loaded |
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| 11:20 | <flakk> | snd_intel8x0 19595 3 |
| 11:20 | <flakk> | is the answer to lsmod |
| 11:20 | <sney> | ok |
| 11:20 | <flakk> | so i guess it is loaded? |
| 11:21 | <sney> | yes |
| 11:21 | <sney> | run speaker-test -t wav |
| 11:22 | <flakk> | err - it works |
| 11:22 | <bernat> | /proc/asound/ may give more info |
| 11:22 | <flakk> | Time per period = 1.472024 0 - Front Left |
| 11:22 | <sney> | ok, so your hardware and drivers are fine, you just have a possible permissions issue |
| 11:22 | <flakk> | and so on |
| 11:22 | <sney> | sound comes out? |
| 11:22 | <flakk> | nope |
| 11:22 | <sney> | well that's not "works" |
| 11:23 | <sney> | try running it as root |
| 11:23 | <flakk> | i meant to say that speaker-test -t wav is oupputting constantly some numbers like Time per period = 1.472024 0 - Front Left |
| 11:23 | <bernat> | flakk: you mean "no errors" |
| 11:23 | <flakk> | yes i am sorry i am not an expert |
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| 11:24 | <sney> | flakk: does sound come out if you run the speaker-test command as root? |
| 11:24 | <bernat> | have you looked at /proc/asound/cards and devices? |
| 11:25 | <flakk> | sney: no there is no sound even as root |
| 11:26 | <sney> | how many entries are there in /proc/asound/cards? |
| 11:26 | <fnmueller> | flakk: did you make sure everything is hooked up correctly and turned on? |
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| 11:27 | <flakk> | 0 [ICH5 ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH5 Intel ICH5 with AD1888 at irq 17 |
| 11:27 | <flakk> | = /proc/asound/cards |
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| 11:27 | <sney> | ok hmm |
| 11:28 | <flakk> | alsamixergui does not allow me to up the volume |
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| 11:28 | <flakk> | lenny aloowed though |
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| 11:32 | <flakk> | of course it can happen that my motherboard is defective but i really had normal sound only 3 days ago (with lenny) |
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| 11:33 | <sney> | flakk: did you upgrade from lenny to squeeze or did you reinstall? |
| 11:34 | <flakk> | reinstall |
| 11:34 | <flakk> | from 3 cds |
| 11:34 | <flakk> | once i tried to upgrade from sarge to lenny I willnever do it again |
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| 11:35 | <flakk> | sney - anyway thanks a lot for your help |
| 11:35 | <sney> | np |
| 11:35 | <flakk> | i get to go now |
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| 12:04 | <treaki> | nobody knows... ;( i will go off, bye |
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| 12:37 | <_chaos_> | well |
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| 12:41 | <_chaos_> | what's /etc/NetworkManager/ ... how do i get rid of it? |
| 12:42 | <_chaos_> | poking the /etc/network/interfaces file is just dandy for me :( |
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| 12:43 | -!- | Guest2230 is now known as mentor |
| 12:44 | <drucik> | hi guys, know somebody if i can install amd64 bit kernel on installed 32bit installation debian system ? (procesor is 64bit) |
| 12:44 | <lindi-> | drucik: sure, just apt-get install it |
| 12:44 | <drucik> | but how |
| 12:44 | <drucik> | i need change repositories ? |
| 12:44 | <lindi-> | drucik: no |
| 12:44 | <drucik> | because aptitude still search only 32 bit appliccation |
| 12:44 | <lindi-> | drucik: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 12:45 | <lindi-> | drucik: how did you search? |
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| 12:45 | <drucik> | lindi-: oh, it works, thks |
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| 12:45 | <drucik> | aptitude search kernel not searched it |
| 12:46 | <drucik> | but now is good |
| 12:46 | <lindi-> | drucik: you should search for linux-image instead |
| 12:46 | <drucik> | jop |
| 12:47 | <lindi-> | drucik: "apt-cache search kernel" does list it |
| 12:47 | <drucik> | lindi-: hmm, yes, but i used aptitude search :) |
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| 12:48 | <drucik> | but doesn't matter, problem solved :) |
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| 12:50 | <lexi> | hey |
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| 12:50 | <lexi> | I have a second hard drive |
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| 12:50 | <lexi> | my first hard drive is encrypted |
| 12:50 | <lexi> | I would like my second hard drive to also be encrypted |
| 12:50 | <lexi> | and to mount /home to it |
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| 12:51 | <lexi> | I only want to enter in my password once |
| 12:51 | <lexi> | I hear you can do this with keyfiles |
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| 12:52 | <jhutchins_lt> | _chaos_: Network Manager is for managing roaming, like wifi. |
| 12:53 | <jhutchins_lt> | _chaos_: Figure out which packages are installed and purge them. |
| 12:54 | <_chaos_> | i'll try |
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| 13:06 | <bernat> | _chaos_: aren't you using wheezy anymore? |
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| 13:06 | <_chaos_> | i'm messing with more than one box at a time |
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| 13:07 | <bernat> | ah, ok, excuse the intromission :) |
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| 13:37 | <lexi> | hey still trying to solve this problem, I have system encryption setup, did it at debian install, however I have another hard drive that I'd also like to encrypt and I want to be automaticly mounted at startup |
| 13:37 | <lexi> | without having to type a passphrase in |
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| 13:38 | <daemonkeeper> | Ehm, why would you like to use encryption, if you want it automatically mounted? |
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| 13:42 | <TheSky> | Hello, i wanna download an ISO cd image with a special packet on it - how can i find out in which CD iso the special packet is ? |
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| 13:42 | <daemonkeeper> | http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ |
| 13:43 | <TheSky> | Thank You DaemonKeeper :) |
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| 13:47 | <SynrG> | daemonkeeper: sounds like he doesn't want to have to enter *another* passphrase after starting the system for the additional partition |
| 13:47 | <daemonkeeper> | Well, one could hack a chained setup then. |
| 13:47 | <daemonkeeper> | Or use a key setup. |
| 13:48 | <SynrG> | reading the key for the 2nd filesystem from a file stored on the 1st |
| 13:48 | <daemonkeeper> | That's what I was thinking about. Or a special partition storing keys to unlock remaining partitions |
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| 13:52 | <SynrG> | lexi: ^^ so, consider one of these alternatives |
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| 13:53 | <lexi> | SynrG: so how is that done? |
| 13:53 | <lexi> | been googling for that |
| 13:53 | <lexi> | maybe I used the wrong search terms |
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| 13:53 | <SynrG> | http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#2._Setup |
| 13:53 | <SynrG> | why google when you can just go straight to the doc? |
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| 13:55 | <SynrG> | or if you didn't know it was LUKS that was involved, start with http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html#_data_encryption_tips |
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| 13:55 | <SynrG> | that took me in turn to the upstream doc where i found the FAQ |
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| 14:05 | <raygalinato> | Hello, can someone please assist me in install NVIDIA drivers? |
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| 14:05 | <daemonkeeper> | !nvidia dkms |
| 14:05 | <dpkg> | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
| 14:06 | <retrospectacus> | raygalinato: are you following the directions on the debian wiki? what seems to be the problem? |
| 14:06 | <retrospectacus> | raygalinato: and what debian version do you have |
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| 14:06 | <raygalinato> | I'm reading the wiki right now. Still wondering which method would be better - to install it the "Debian way" or manually with the NVIDIA .run file. |
| 14:07 | <raygalinato> | I would like to install it with the .run file. |
| 14:07 | <enderst> | sh filename.run |
| 14:07 | <retrospectacus> | !nvidia-installer |
| 14:07 | <dpkg> | rumour has it, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). More specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel-related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead. See also <why nvidia-installer sucks>, <remove nvidia>. |
| 14:08 | <retrospectacus> | raygalinato: that is the bad way, you will get bitten in the ass later. Follow the wiki and <nvidia dkms> |
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| 14:10 | <tacitone> | Hi all, I'd like to be schooled on the proper entry of NOPASSWD in visudo. |
| 14:10 | <raygalinato> | Where would I go to see whether or not APT has non-free and contrib sources, as stated in step 0? |
| 14:10 | <SynrG> | examine /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:10 | <raygalinato> | Thank you. |
| 14:10 | <tacitone> | I've scoured the internet high and low for the right way to use NOPASSWD in visudo. No dice. |
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| 14:10 | <SynrG> | by default you would just have "main". that's a space-delimited list. just change to "main contrib non-free" and you're set. |
| 14:11 | <retrospectacus> | after apt-get update ;) |
| 14:11 | <SynrG> | well, yes |
| 14:11 | <tacitone> | I have the following: tacitone ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL \ tacitone ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/aptitude |
| 14:11 | <tacitone> | But aptitude continues to prompt me |
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| 14:12 | <tacitone> | Any help / correction is appreciated. |
| 14:12 | <SynrG> | !tell raygalinato about non-free sources |
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| 14:12 | <SynrG> | tacitone: maybe order sensitive? |
| 14:13 | <raygalinato> | How to get the "latest" version of the driver? |
| 14:13 | <tacitone> | SynrG: I've read as much, and from what I understand the NOPASSWD entry must be below any prior declarations for a given user. |
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| 14:13 | <SynrG> | ah, hmm |
| 14:13 | <SynrG> | yeah, just verified that against sudoers man page. well ... |
| 14:14 | <enderst> | tacitone: try 'tacitone ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/aptitude' been awhile since i've played with sudo |
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| 14:15 | <SynrG> | i'm sure the blank is not significant |
| 14:15 | <SynrG> | maybe logout and login again? |
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| 14:15 | <tacitone> | Good idea, SynrG :) |
| 14:15 | <SynrG> | i have something very similar for one user and it seems to work |
| 14:15 | <tacitone> | I'll try logging into a tty |
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| 14:16 | <tacitone> | No joy in a tty |
| 14:16 | <valessio> | marga: ping |
| 14:16 | <valessio> | eof: pong |
| 14:16 | <marga> | valessio: pong |
| 14:16 | <valessio> | Hii, PVT |
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| 14:16 | <eof> | pong |
| 14:17 | <tacitone> | Reading http://wiki.debian.org/sudo and there is no example usage of NOPASSWD |
| 14:17 | <SynrG> | tacitone: oh ... |
| 14:17 | <enderst> | tacitone: try the line i gave ya? |
| 14:17 | <tacitone> | enderst: Yes, tried it. |
| 14:17 | <SynrG> | aptitude is a symlink to the alternatives ... |
| 14:17 | <retrospectacus> | there are alternate aptitudes? O.o |
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| 14:18 | <tacitone> | SynrG: Doesn't work with `sudo su` either :) |
| 14:18 | <SynrG> | retrospectacus: alternative UIs |
| 14:18 | <SynrG> | mine points at /usr/bin/aptitude-curses |
| 14:18 | <enderst> | tacitone: so with the line i gave you 'sudo aptitude update' still wants a password? |
| 14:18 | <tacitone> | I'm not gonna let this one go - my sixteen character password is wearing these knuckles away :) |
| 14:18 | <tacitone> | enderst: correct |
| 14:19 | <retrospectacus> | hmm |
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| 14:21 | <tacitone> | Could it be something in .profile? |
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| 14:21 | <SynrG> | don't think so. for a moment i thought maybe being a symlink was relevant, but i couldn't find any documented evidence |
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| 14:24 | <tacitone> | This is insane. I've even tried this "working" solution from serverfault: http://serverfault.com/questions/247909/using-nopasswd-for-specific-commands-in-sudoers-file-passwd-for-all-others |
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| 14:27 | <retrospectacus> | tacitone: fwiw, they might know more about sudo in #linux on freenode - debian is not a "sudo-fanboy" distro |
| 14:27 | <cybersphinx_> | tacitone: Is your user in the sudo group, and the respective line in /etc/sudoers active? |
| 14:27 | <valdyn> | tacitone: ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL |
| 14:28 | <tacitone> | cybersphinx: I think you may have hit it. Since I am in sudo group it's possible the last declaration at the bottom was overriding my previous. |
| 14:29 | <tacitone> | WIN :) |
| 14:29 | <tacitone> | Thanks cybersphinx! |
| 14:29 | <tacitone> | You too can wear a nose mitten. |
| 14:31 | <cybersphinx_> | You're welcome. |
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| 15:42 | <LuisV> | hi there [_]P |
| 15:42 | <retrospectacus> | hi |
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| 15:43 | <LuisV> | is possible in KDE4 to place 4 workspaces in a row? I can't see how in th preferences panel |
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| 15:47 | <chealer> | LuisV: in a row, as opposed to 2x2 or what? |
| 15:48 | <LuisV> | chealer: ok I wish 4 workspaces in a only one roww |
| 15:48 | <LuisV> | no 2x2 |
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| 15:48 | <LuisV> | 1x4 |
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| 15:49 | <chealer> | LuisV: it is. which Debian suite do you use? |
| 15:50 | <LuisV> | chealer: debian suite? I don't understand.. |
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| 15:51 | <LuisV> | chealer: I got debian 6.0 (squeeze) |
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| 15:52 | <chealer> | LuisV: OK. I use a newer KDE version, but when you talk about the preferences panel, do you mean System Settings or what? |
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| 15:54 | <LuisV> | chealer: no, when you right clik on workspaces, a dialog box appear, on the top you can see "configure virtual desktops" |
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| 15:55 | <chealer> | LuisV: oh? it could have changed, but on KDE 4.6, if I right-click the workspaces, I get a contextual menu and then I click "Configure: Workspaces manager" |
| 15:55 | <chealer> | then I get a screen with 4 "vertical tabs", do you see that too? |
| 15:56 | <LuisV> | chealer: no, I can't see 'workspaces manager" |
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| 15:58 | <LuisV> | chealer: now I got it!! on the menu "pager settings" |
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| 15:59 | <LuisV> | chealer: ok thanks for your time and help[_]P |
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| 16:07 | <retrospectacus> | what the heck is [_]P |
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| 16:09 | <devil> | looks like a mug |
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| 16:10 | <kop> | Or perl. |
| 16:10 | <retrospectacus> | heh |
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| 16:16 | <anonymouszer0> | Hello |
| 16:16 | <retrospectacus> | hi |
| 16:16 | <anonymouszer0> | Whats up? |
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| 16:18 | <anonymouszer0> | lol eeryone's quitting |
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| 16:21 | <devil> | anonymouszer0: this is a debian support channel |
| 16:21 | <ukleinek> | installing udev in a container fails for me. I think the relevant issue is: "mknod: `//tmp/udev.GWbpjZ/ppp': Operation not permitted". Does someone has an idea? |
| 16:21 | <weasel> | "don't install udev in a container"? |
| 16:22 | <anonymouszer0> | yea and I use debian lol |
| 16:22 | <ukleinek> | weasel: this implies "don't install systemd in a container". |
| 16:22 | <weasel> | works for me |
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| 16:23 | <ukleinek> | weasel: with or without udev? |
| 16:23 | <ukleinek> | weasel: using lxc? |
| 16:24 | <weasel> | ukleinek: sorry, I meant "not installing systemd" would not be a problem for me |
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| 16:24 | <dba> | ukleinek: udev doesn't currently work in an lxc. |
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| 16:24 | <ukleinek> | dba: thanks, too bad |
| 16:24 | <weasel> | ukleinek: the fact remains that udev in most containers is probably not all that useful, and if systemd really relies on udev then it probably won't work either |
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| 16:25 | <dba> | ukleinek: you can try with lxc.cgroup.devices.allow = a, but i doubt it helps. |
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| 16:25 | <dba> | ukleinek: and for systemd, just see bts.. |
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| 16:26 | <ukleinek> | dba: #604631 is about systemd on the hosting machine, not the virtual I think |
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| 16:28 | <dba> | ukleinek: i think that i remember that there was a bug against systemd about it. |
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| 16:33 | <ukleinek> | dba: "lxc.cgroup.devices.allow = a" worked a bit. I could install udev at least |
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| 16:41 | <ukleinek> | hmm, but starting systemd killed my host system |
| 16:43 | * | ukleinek retries with kvm |
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| 16:57 | <plmb33> | hi, I have just upgraded my Debian system from stable to unstable and CUPS is not working my printer anymore. So I deleted my printer from the list of known printers and tried to resetup. When I click on "Administration" --> "Add Printer" the only option for local printers is "SCSI Printer"; it seems not do recognize my plugged-in USB printer. Any idea? |
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| 16:58 | <craigevil> | try asking in one channel for starters, #debian-next on this server and not on multiple channels |
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| 17:07 | <kingsley> | plmb33: Maybe the command... |
| 17:08 | <kingsley> | plmb33: $ lsusb -v |
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| 17:08 | <plmb33> | kingsley, installing hplip solved the problem |
| 17:08 | <kingsley> | plmb33: would reveal diagnostic info. |
| 17:08 | <kingsley> | plmb33: Very good. |
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| 17:12 | <jquerier> | Hello i want to make a ns1 for my debian machine to use it for my domain |
| 17:12 | <jquerier> | how? |
| 17:12 | <jquerier> | i have to add it only to etc/hosts? |
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| 17:13 | <jquerier> | like "192.168.1.1 ns1.domain.com" |
| 17:13 | <jquerier> | ? |
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| 17:20 | <jhutchins_lt> | jquerier: What do you hope this will accomplish? |
| 17:20 | <jquerier> | i have a domain on a hoster. and a server on another hoster with debian 16gb. i want that the domain transfer to my hoster |
| 17:21 | <jquerier> | by adding my private nameserver |
| 17:21 | <jquerier> | to the hoster where i have the domain |
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| 17:24 | <user> | HI all |
| 17:24 | <user> | what's up |
| 17:24 | -!- | user is now known as Guest2318 |
| 17:24 | <Guest2318> | =)) |
| 17:24 | <bim_ir> | is it easy to up to unstable from testing? |
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| 17:24 | <bim_ir> | testing is *too old* |
| 17:25 | <Guest2318> | is anyone who knows SQL-i ? |
| 17:25 | <bim_ir> | or is it better to build firefox and transmission? |
| 17:26 | <bim_ir> | iceweasel: 3.5.19 !!! 3.5! |
| 17:26 | <bim_ir> | transmission: 2.03!!! 2.0! |
| 17:26 | <bim_ir> | I just can't live with such oldies |
| 17:26 | <jhutchins_lt> | jquerier: An entry in your hosts file will allow just that computer to access the host by name at that IP. |
| 17:26 | <Guest2318> | bum_ir do you know sql-i method ? |
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| 17:27 | <retrospectacus> | bim_ir: look into <tum> |
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| 17:28 | <bim_ir> | Guest2318: all I know is DROP DATABASE :) |
| 17:28 | <jhutchins_lt> | jquerier: If you need other computers to access that host by name, you will need to run some sort of DNS. For your own lan you could run dnsmasq pretty easily, or set up a bind9 server. For the public to access that host by name, you will need to have it set up on a public DNS. Most domain registrars will allow you to do this or do it for you. |
| 17:28 | <bim_ir> | retrospectacus: into ? tum? |
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| 17:28 | <Tone> | hi |
| 17:28 | <retrospectacus> | !tell bim_ir about tum |
| 17:29 | <retrospectacus> | bim_ir: that's "testing-unstable mix" |
| 17:29 | <jhutchins_lt> | !tell jquerier about de |
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| 17:30 | <bim_ir> | retrospectacus: ah, got it; so editing sources.list is better than building, you think... okay |
| 17:30 | <jhutchins_lt> | bim_ir: Also known as "yet another clean install". |
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| 17:31 | <retrospectacus> | bim_ir: much better |
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| 17:31 | <jhutchins_lt> | retrospectacus: I have heard otherwise here. |
| 17:31 | <bim_ir> | jhutchins_lt: nope, leave clean install for *that os* users |
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| 17:32 | <jhutchins_lt> | Mixing releases and/or distros can bring much grief and frustration. |
| 17:32 | <Guest2320> | what you talking about |
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| 17:32 | <bim_ir> | retrospectacus: but by building I can help devs in testing, upstream devs... okay, time for apt-get -y dist-upgrade |
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| 17:32 | <lindi-> | would be nice if there was a tool that inspected your system and listed what you have changed so that you wouldn't need to do a clean reinstall to get back to a working state :-) |
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| 17:32 | <retrospectacus> | I have wheezy, sid, experimental sources - default wheezy but I can get e.g. the latest chromium from experimental |
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| 17:33 | <retrospectacus> | haven't had any big problems... ofc it could happen |
| 17:33 | <Guest2320> | I have just joined this group! |
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| 17:34 | <Guest2320> | Can somebody tell me what this chat is all about please. Lisa |
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| 17:34 | <lindi-> | Guest2320: see www.debian.org |
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| 17:38 | <Guest2320> | Oh, a little bit above my head I think! |
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| 17:41 | <bim_ir> | may I just ask? why do you use very new gcc 4.6.1, well-new linux 2.6.39, but are stuck with iceweasel 3.15 in testing? |
| 17:42 | <lindi-> | Guest2320: don't be so sure :) |
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| 17:44 | <Guest2320> | I don't know |
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| 17:46 | <craigevil> | bim_ir, look in forums.debian.net in the howto section there is a nice howto on how to run a mixed testing/sid system |
| 17:47 | * | weasel wonders how a howto that teaches the layman how to shoot off his own foot cleanly could be considered nice |
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| 17:48 | <chealer> | bim_ir: testing contains Iceweasel 3.5, and is not stuck with it |
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| 17:50 | <bim_ir> | chealer: oops, of course s/15/5/; but why? there's fox 5 |
| 17:50 | <bim_ir> | ah, I mean 5.0 vs 3.5 |
| 17:50 | <bim_ir> | having just-released gcc, but mozilla 3.5... is it really "nice", you think? |
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| 17:53 | <craigevil> | iceweasel: Installed: 5.0-3 , if you want newer versions of iceweasel you the mozilla.debian.net repo |
| 17:54 | <craigevil> | whoops left the word 'use' out of that statement |
| 17:54 | <chealer> | bim_ir: having Firefox 3.5 is surely nice compared to not having Firefox. if you compare to having Firefox 5, surely not. |
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| 17:55 | <jhutchins_lt> | I believe iceweasel 7 is not available. |
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| 17:55 | <jhutchins_lt> | Er, is NOW available. |
| 17:55 | <unixabg> | Greetings, if I want the bts to ack a patch can I just send tag bugnumber patch in body? |
| 17:56 | <unixabg> | or do I have to do Tags: patch ? |
| 17:56 | <jhutchins_lt> | Mozilla is being utterly ridiculous with version numbers. Some think they're just trying to "version up" to chrome, which is what, 14? |
| 17:56 | <lindi-> | unixabg: mail control@bugs.debian.org with "Package $package" and "Tags $bug patch" |
| 17:56 | <jhutchins_lt> | I will say 5 is a nice upgrade from 3.5. |
| 17:56 | * | bim_ir has nothing versus GCC 4.6.1 |
| 17:57 | <bim_ir> | chealer: it is nicely compared to build firefox by myself agains using 2-years old stuff |
| 17:57 | <bim_ir> | I know the solution: just *kill* iceweasel's maintainer and get a new one |
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| 17:57 | <unixabg> | lindi-: ok thanks. I have messed this up on a couple of bugs so I will have to correct. |
| 17:57 | <retrospectacus> | bim_ir: you can be it |
| 17:57 | <chealer> | jhutchins_lt: there is no such thing as Iceweasel 7 |
| 17:58 | <jhutchins_lt> | chealer: Are you sure? |
| 17:58 | <bim_ir> | retrospectacus: I doubt I can handle it |
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| 17:58 | <retrospectacus> | then don't complain |
| 17:58 | <jhutchins_lt> | chealer: Isn't aurora 7 now? |
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| 17:59 | <jhutchins_lt> | chealer: release is at least 5. |
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| 17:59 | <chealer> | jhutchins_lt: yes, even Firefox 6 doesn't exist yet |
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| 18:00 | <cquinn> | weasel: Which howto shoots off feet? |
| 18:00 | <chealer> | jhutchins_lt: it *is* 5, yes |
| 18:00 | <devil> | aurora is iceweasel 7 and works fine so far |
| 18:01 | <craigevil> | firefox-8.0a1 |
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| 18:01 | <bim_ir> | retrospectacus: okay, I'm ready then; what I need to do? |
| 18:01 | * | bim_ir asked only for mozilla browser (whatever called) v5.0.x |
| 18:01 | <retrospectacus> | find out who the current maintainer is and kill him, apparently |
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| 18:02 | <jhutchins_lt> | craigevil: Where can you find that? |
| 18:02 | <jhutchins_lt> | craigevil: Or find out what the latest is? |
| 18:02 | <devil> | must be nightlies |
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| 18:02 | <craigevil> | latest firefox nightly |
| 18:02 | <bim_ir> | retrospectacus: I'd better ask him *why* .. no, *WHYYYYY THE HELL* is there only 2yo 3.5 in testing |
| 18:02 | <jhutchins_lt> | craigevil: Where? |
| 18:03 | <devil> | bim_ir: glandiums blog explains it |
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| 18:03 | <craigevil> | bim_ir, read the bugs on iceweasel there are many reasons, pretty much the same reasons 5 isnt in sid |
| 18:03 | <ansgar> | craigevil: iceweasel 5 is in sid ;) |
| 18:03 | <jhutchins_lt> | bim_ir: Because the 3.5 in testing is well tested, thoroughly patched, and more stable than the latest cutting-edge beta, and every firefox release since 4 has been a beta. |
| 18:03 | <bim_ir> | devil: okay, master, will google for "glandiums iceweasel" |
| 18:03 | <devil> | yep, 5.0-3 0 |
| 18:03 | <craigevil> | jhutchins, http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ |
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| 18:04 | <jhutchins_lt> | bim_ir: Would you like to know how to get iceweasel 5? |
| 18:04 | <jhutchins_lt> | craigevil: thx |
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| 18:05 | <bim_ir> | jhutchins_lt: ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/ ? |
| 18:05 | <bim_ir> | but it would be fox, not weasel |
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| 18:06 | <jhutchins_lt> | bim_ir: Go to http://mozilla.debian.net and choose "release". |
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| 18:06 | <ukleinek> | IIRC there is a repo somewhere to get newer iceweasel |
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| 18:07 | <zeref> | yay, finally installed debian xD |
| 18:07 | <retrospectacus> | YAY! |
| 18:07 | <jhutchins_lt> | !congratulate zeref |
| 18:07 | <dpkg> | Nice one zeref, you did it! |
| 18:08 | <retrospectacus> | finally, jeez |
| 18:08 | <chealer> | jhutchins_lt: no, Firefox 5 is the current stable version. |
| 18:08 | <zeref> | yeah |
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| 18:09 | <jhutchins_lt> | chealer: I don't care what Mozilla says, their "stable" releases have had nowhere near enough testing to call them anything but betas. 5 is pretty good and pretty clean, but they're just moving too fast for real testing/debugging. |
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| 18:09 | <jhutchins_lt> | chealer: 5 is the current _release_. |
| 18:10 | <craigevil> | Mozilla is trying to play catch up with Chrome 14 |
| 18:10 | <jhutchins_lt> | They played this game with Netscape and Explorer. |
| 18:10 | <retrospectacus> | MOAR BIGGER NUMBERRRRR |
| 18:11 | <zeref> | lol |
| 18:11 | <craigevil> | latest nightly is already called 8, in a month or so it will be higher than chrome's version # |
| 18:12 | <retrospectacus> | they should switch to logarithmic versioning :D |
| 18:12 | <zeref> | *must get bigger number* |
| 18:12 | <craigevil> | higher number means better right? :) |
| 18:12 | <retrospectacus> | double it each time |
| 18:12 | <bim_ir> | 3.0, 3.5, 3.6, release, aurora... what to choose? |
| 18:12 | <bim_ir> | !congratulate bim_ir |
| 18:12 | <dpkg> | Yay bim_ir, you did it! |
| 18:12 | <bim_ir> | jhutchins_lt: but... isn't "testing" a testing release? so nothing about "stability", no? |
| 18:12 | <bim_ir> | for "stability" there's "stable" debian, no? |
| 18:12 | <bim_ir> | they even took some code from chromium, I know |
| 18:12 | <bim_ir> | and ditched osx-ppc too :( |
| 18:12 | <bim_ir> | nope, it depends on versioning sheme |
| 18:12 | <bim_ir> | for example, debian-based finnix now is at version 101 ;) |
| 18:13 | <retrospectacus> | must be way the fuck better |
| 18:13 | <chealer> | jhutchins_lt: well, I disagree then |
| 18:13 | <bim_ir> | but... 3.5 is really really really old, despite all versioning and vs chrome stuff |
| 18:14 | <chealer> | bim_ir: I don't see why you would choose 3.0 or 3.6. and I wouldn't uses "aurora" unless you have a particular reason to |
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| 18:15 | <bim_ir> | chealer: lemme finish apt-get -y dist-upgrade first ;) |
| 18:15 | <bim_ir> | and my connection is unstable |
| 18:15 | <bim_ir> | Err http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main libsoup2.4-1 amd64 2.34.2-2 |
| 18:15 | <bim_ir> | Connection failed [IP: 130.89.149.226 80] |
| 18:15 | <bim_ir> | I'd repeat it |
| 18:16 | <retrospectacus> | ^C up enter |
| 18:16 | <craigevil> | bim_ir, using deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-release will give you Iceweasel 5 |
| 18:16 | <bim_ir> | craigevil: thx, 'll try |
| 18:16 | <jhutchins_lt> | bim_ir: It still works just fine, and a lot of add-ons haven't updated anything since it was current. |
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| 18:17 | <bim_ir> | jhutchins_lt: are you iceweasel's maint? |
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| 18:17 | <jhutchins_lt> | bim_ir: No, I'm not. |
| 18:17 | <jhutchins_lt> | ,maint iceweasel |
| 18:18 | <judd> | Package iceweasel version 5.0-2 was uploaded by Mike Hommey on 2011-07-01, last changed by Mike Hommey and maintained by Maintainers of Mozilla-related packages. |
| 18:18 | <jhutchins_lt> | ,versions iceweasel |
| 18:18 | <judd> | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-6; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-8~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-8; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-8; wheezy: 3.5.19-3; experimental: 5.0-2; sid: 5.0-3 |
| 18:18 | <bim_ir> | jhutchins_lt: got it; okay, it were okay if there was say gcc 4.3.6 in testing |
| 18:18 | <craigevil> | iceweasel: Installed: 5.0-3 Candidate: 7.0~a2+20110707042018-1 shiny |
| 18:18 | <bim_ir> | ,versions gcc |
| 18:18 | <judd> | Package gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.6.0-6; sid: 4:4.6.1-2 |
| 18:18 | <bim_ir> | wow |
| 18:19 | <bim_ir> | hmm, in 2009 there was 4.4.x and 4.5-pre, as I can remember |
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| 18:20 | <bim_ir> | while I'm moving to sid, next question: what about gnome 3? |
| 18:20 | <bim_ir> | ,versions gnome |
| 18:20 | <judd> | Package gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:2.30+11; wheezy: 1:2.30+11 |
| 18:21 | <unixabg> | lindi-: thanks again. :) |
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| 18:22 | <bim_ir> | Get:204 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main libreoffice-core amd64 1:3.3.3-4+b1 [38.5 MB] << wow, 3.3.3! cool |
| 18:22 | <bim_ir> | I just want to use *the lastest stuff* |
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| 18:23 | <bim_ir> | okay, s/use/try/ |
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| 18:24 | <retrospectacus> | bim_ir: you have SNS syndrome? That can be a dangerous problem |
| 18:24 | <devil> | heh |
| 18:24 | <bim_ir> | retrospectacus: what is SNS syndrome? |
| 18:24 | <bim_ir> | inb4 googleing |
| 18:24 | <craigevil> | bim_ir, welcome to the darkside, keep in mind sid is not supported in #debian |
| 18:24 | <retrospectacus> | !sns |
| 18:24 | <dpkg> | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 18:25 | <bim_ir> | heh, I just upgraded to unstable :) |
| 18:26 | <bim_ir> | yeah, I'm sick with SNS |
| 18:26 | <retrospectacus> | how's the stability |
| 18:26 | <bim_ir> | I do like to build git and svn stuff |
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| 18:26 | * | craigevil runs sid and runs apt-get dist-upgrade daily |
| 18:26 | <bim_ir> | retrospectacus: in debian stable, I suppose :) |
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| 18:27 | <sander_m> | Hi. Can someone give me some advice about PEAR usage in PHP? I'm in need of some PEAR packages that are not provided by Debian, but I am afraid to start mixing PEAR packages installed though Aptitude and packages installed through the PEAR installer. I worry about conflicts and such. Is PEAR just as problematic as e.g. Ruby Gems? |
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| 18:29 | <bim_ir> | !moving unstable |
| 18:29 | <bim_ir> | !moving experimental |
| 18:29 | <bim_ir> | !:( |
| 18:30 | <dpkg> | awwwww, whats the matter?? |
| 18:30 | <bim_ir> | dpkg: you said ask for <moving target> |
| 18:30 | <dpkg> | I resemble that remark! |
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| 18:30 | <bim_ir> | now I want experimental |
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| 18:30 | <edbian> | Is Anything wrong with my sources.list? http://paste.debian.net/123050/ |
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| 18:32 | <craigevil> | edbian, add deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free feel free to use whichever mirror |
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| 18:33 | <retrospectacus> | edbian: dmm has also a non-free part |
| 18:33 | <craigevil> | and you might not want to use proposed-updates |
| 18:34 | <edbian> | There are no backports right? |
| 18:34 | <craigevil> | http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2011/msg00000.html |
| 18:34 | <edbian> | craigevil: What's the different between your squeeze-updatesa nd my security line? |
| 18:34 | <craigevil> | yes backports still exist, For information visit - http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 18:35 | <edbian> | Are there any backports in my sources.list ? |
| 18:35 | <craigevil> | squeeze-updates used to be called volatile |
| 18:35 | <edbian> | Well I don't have any volatile anything in there. |
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| 18:36 | <retrospectacus> | you have no backports |
| 18:36 | <retrospectacus> | which is not a problem |
| 18:36 | <edbian> | yeah, making sure |
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| 18:36 | <edbian> | My open office is being weird. I removed it, now I'm making sure my repos are fine. Then I'll re-install it. |
| 18:36 | <edbian> | Some of the menus text displayed as boxes instead of letters |
| 18:37 | <edbian> | It was strange |
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| 18:38 | <edbian> | craigevil: The link you gave says that they call volatile squeeze-updates now. I have something pointing to squeeze-updates. Should I not? I'm confused. |
| 18:39 | <edbian> | What is the difference between squeeze/updates and squeeze-updates? Anything? mirror syntax? |
| 18:39 | <craigevil> | you have squeeze/updates which is the security repo, squeeze-updates is the new volatile |
| 18:39 | <edbian> | ahhh |
| 18:39 | <craigevil> | exit |
| 18:39 | <edbian> | exit ? |
| 18:39 | <edbian> | enter |
| 18:40 | <craigevil> | whoops that was meant to be in yakuake |
| 18:40 | <edbian> | haha |
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| 18:40 | <craigevil> | edbian, https://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/Home nice list of repos |
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| 18:41 | <edbian> | craigevil: thanks! |
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| 18:43 | <edbian> | There is no multimedia contrib ? |
| 18:44 | <craigevil> | no |
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| 18:44 | <edbian> | Installing openoffice.org now... |
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| 18:48 | <edbian> | Fixed. Thanks for the help! |
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| 18:57 | <greshnik> | hello ppl |
| 18:57 | <bim_ir> | wow, iceweasel 5.0 is cool |
| 18:57 | <bim_ir> | I glad to be able to try it |
| 18:58 | <greshnik> | ;D |
| 18:58 | <bim_ir> | (before year 2055, heh) |
| 18:58 | <greshnik> | squeeze-backports ) |
| 18:58 | <greshnik> | it is now available here |
| 18:58 | <Black_Prince> | !mdn |
| 18:58 | <dpkg> | extra, extra, read all about it, mdn is http://www.creaziona.com or http://www.mallorquinandenoduls.com |
| 18:58 | <Black_Prince> | whoops |
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| 18:58 | <bim_ir> | mdn... hmm... *that company* developers network? |
| 18:59 | <greshnik> | mozilla :D |
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| 19:01 | <bim_ir> | ah okay |
| 19:01 | <bim_ir> | thank you guys |
| 19:02 | <greshnik> | you welcome! |
| 19:02 | <greshnik> | anyone know something about how to make work Broadcomm 4318 on kernel 2.6.38? Just installed it from backports, now wireless totally missing (i mean even in lspci) |
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| 19:06 | <bim_ir> | greshnik: make-kpkg for new kernel? |
| 19:07 | <greshnik> | bim_ir: Will give it a try |
| 19:07 | <bim_ir> | ;) |
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| 19:14 | <devil> | greshnik: firmware-b43-installer should work for that |
| 19:14 | <greshnik> | devil: not really... I need ad-hoc |
| 19:14 | <greshnik> | also b43-fw have a very bad perfomance |
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| 19:20 | <retrospectacus> | !bcm |
| 19:20 | <dpkg> | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>. For Ethernet chipset support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
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| 19:53 | <jerryclunsford> | I have a usb sound device after reinstalling debian lenny it does not have the volume that it used to, where should I look for the problem? |
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| 19:55 | <devil> | jerryclunsford: had a look at alsamixer? |
| 19:55 | <jerryclunsford> | The mixer volumes are all the way up. |
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| 19:57 | <lindi-> | jerryclunsford: are you using gnome? |
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| 19:58 | <jerryclunsford> | yes using gnome |
| 19:59 | <weedeater64> | How can I run ~$ xterm -fa Nimbus Momo -fs 16 -bg black -fg white; vim & |
| 19:59 | <nevyn> | pulse might be messing with you. |
| 19:59 | <jerryclunsford> | I just installed the alsa mixer gui and it showed the volume all the way down I turned them up there and looks like it is fixed |
| 19:59 | <lindi-> | jerryclunsford: what program are you using to play the sound? |
| 19:59 | <weedeater64> | That is to say, start the new xterm with vim running in it, or is that possible ? |
| 20:00 | <jerryclunsford> | Rythmbox and games |
| 20:00 | <lindi-> | jerryclunsford: ok |
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| 20:00 | <jerryclunsford> | Thank you for the Help looks like It is working now. |
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| 20:01 | <jerryclunsford> | I guess I didn't know what I was doing earlier. |
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| 20:02 | <lindi-> | jerryclunsford: the gnome volume applet should work too |
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| 20:03 | <jerryclunsford> | Yes I have full volume now. I had tried the volume on the task bar but it didn't do any good the alsamixer gui got it Thanks all and have a good weekend. |
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| 20:09 | <TCW> | why is acx100-source in contrib? The firmware is non-free and not included in debian non-free anyway, checked LICENSE in the driver tarball it seems to be GPLv2... |
| 20:09 | <tash> | I just installed a sttandard system with GUI(gnome) , and right now, every time I insert a pendrive it shows an error, I installed pmount, and nothing happened |
| 20:09 | <TCW> | tash, squeeze? |
| 20:09 | <tash> | TCW yep |
| 20:10 | <TCW> | tash, how did you install? |
| 20:10 | <tash> | TCW: Pendrive, netinstall |
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| 20:11 | <TCW> | tash, and teh meta-package gnome is installed? |
| 20:11 | <tash> | let me see |
| 20:12 | <tash> | synaptic manage the metapackages? TCW |
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| 20:12 | <TCW> | tash, dpkg -l gnome |
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| 20:12 | <TCW> | tash, synaptic just sucks imho... use a terminal. Faster and paste-able if errors happen |
| 20:13 | <tash> | ii gnome 1:2.30+11 The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components |
| 20:13 | <lindi-> | but terminal is not exactly user friendly :) |
| 20:13 | <tash> | I like terminal |
| 20:13 | <tash> | =D |
| 20:14 | <TCW> | tash, ok... a default squeeze install should just work ootb with pendrives... let me check... I installed one right this afternoon... let me plugin a hdd |
| 20:14 | <tash> | I had this problem before, is just that I came from lxde |
| 20:14 | <tash> | and I forgot the package |
| 20:14 | <tash> | :$ |
| 20:14 | <zeref> | hmmm |
| 20:15 | <zeref> | guys, is there a need to create a xorg.conf in debian 6? |
| 20:15 | <zeref> | *an |
| 20:16 | <tash> | is *a |
| 20:16 | <lindi-> | TCW: "You can get this firmware from the Microsoft Windows driver." |
| 20:16 | <lindi-> | TCW: from the acx100-source description |
| 20:16 | <TCW> | lindi-, pardon? |
| 20:16 | <lindi-> | TCW: it's in contrib since it doesn't work without that non-free stuff |
| 20:16 | <TCW> | lindi-, I am past all that, card is working... |
| 20:17 | <zeref> | o0 |
| 20:17 | <tash> | TCW: usbmount? maybe? |
| 20:17 | <TCW> | lindi-, oh... ok... so I did forget about that if it NEEDS non-free stuff even if that stuff is not in debian itself it must go to contrib... |
| 20:17 | <lindi-> | TCW: anyways, acx100-source might disappear soon since nobody seems to be be interested in maintaining it |
| 20:17 | <lindi-> | TCW: yeah |
| 20:18 | <TCW> | tash, pardon? |
| 20:18 | <lindi-> | TCW: that's exactly what contrib is for |
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| 20:18 | <lindi-> | TCW: free software that depends on non-free software |
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| 20:18 | <TCW> | tash, oh... dn did try on a squeeze-gnome-box, works like a charm |
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| 20:19 | <tash> | TCW: you know, I guess I didn't say my problem as it is |
| 20:19 | <TCW> | tash, what error do you get again? |
| 20:20 | <tash> | TCW: I have 3 pendrives, and just 1 works, others shows errors about fs or don't mount at all, or permision problems, that didn't happen with them before I Install squeeze |
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| 20:20 | <TCW> | tash, so show the exact error message... and fdisk -l for those |
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| 20:22 | <tash> | TCW: http://pastebin.com/7QPmFWf2 |
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| 20:23 | <TCW> | tash, and for the working drive? |
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| 20:25 | <TCW> | and as the message suggests... see if dmesg shows additional stuff (it may show the same stuff as there but who knows)+ |
| 20:26 | <lindi-> | tash: you might want to check if there's a filesystem at all. sudo file -sL /dev/sdb1 |
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| 20:27 | <tash> | lindi-, the pendrive has some anime |
| 20:27 | <tash> | lindi-, I have been using it |
| 20:28 | <tash> | TCW, how do I 'extend' what tail crops? |
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| 20:28 | <tash> | I mean, get more lines from the bottom of dmesg |
| 20:28 | <TCW> | tash, tail -50 shows the last 50 lines |
| 20:28 | <lindi-> | tash: still, is the filesystem information printed by file the same for all of them? |
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| 20:29 | <tash> | lindi-, http://pastebin.com/NuE78K7k |
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| 20:30 | <lindi-> | tash: syslinux? |
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| 20:33 | <lindi-> | tash: sounds like you've copied some live usb image there or something |
| 20:33 | <tash> | maybe before |
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| 20:34 | <tash> | but lindi- the pendrive right now just have some video files |
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| 20:34 | <TCW> | tash, try mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt/someplace |
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| 20:34 | <tash> | that works, but, permissions... |
| 20:35 | <tash> | in anycase I'll try |
| 20:35 | <TCW> | tash, man mount |
| 20:35 | <TCW> | tash, the thing may be the syslinux stuff may confuse gnomes automatisms |
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| 20:35 | <tash> | TCW: what do in that case? |
| 20:35 | <lindi-> | my first guess is that the block device was too short for the image that was written there |
| 20:36 | <TCW> | so I would mount the pendriv, copy all data to the computer (backup) and then erase the first 1k of that drive (dd may help there) and readd a partition, format it, copy contents back |
| 20:37 | <lindi-> | tash: hmm, I thought the mount failed? |
| 20:37 | <tash> | lindi-: no, it doesn't |
| 20:37 | <lindi-> | tash: what failed then? |
| 20:38 | <tash> | the automatically thing |
| 20:38 | <lindi-> | tash: ah |
| 20:38 | <TCW> | lindi-, are you with us? ;) |
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| 20:38 | <tash> | lindi-: kinda lazy I am |
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| 20:39 | <lindi-> | tash: you might indeed want to do what TCW suggests. backup the data and recreate the filesystem |
| 20:40 | <tash> | lindi-: am on it |
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| 20:41 | <lindi-> | and maybe check what Applications -> System Tools -> Disk Utility thinks about it |
| 20:41 | <tash> | ok the backup is ready, how is the dd thing? |
| 20:41 | <tash> | =) |
| 20:41 | <lindi-> | tash: no need to use dd if Disk Utility works :) |
| 20:41 | <tash> | hmm |
| 20:42 | <tash> | ok lindi- am on the diks utility |
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| 20:42 | <tash> | lindi-, format? |
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| 20:42 | <lindi-> | tash: verify that your backups are ok first :) |
| 20:42 | <tash> | yep |
| 20:42 | <tash> | lindi-: they are =) |
| 20:42 | <lindi-> | tash: and umount |
| 20:43 | <lindi-> | the dialog should look like http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/gnome-disk-utility1.png |
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| 20:45 | <tash> | lindi-, seems ok |
| 20:45 | <lindi-> | tash: just click "delete partition", "create partition", FAT, Create |
| 20:45 | <lindi-> | or hmm |
| 20:46 | <lindi-> | tash: I think "Format Drive" indeed is a shortcut for all these steps |
| 20:46 | <tash> | lindi-: too late? |
| 20:46 | <lindi-> | tash: not at al |
| 20:46 | <tash> | lindi-: =,=... lol xD |
| 20:46 | <lindi-> | tash: "Format Drive" only erases the partitions |
| 20:47 | <tash> | lindi-: the problem still |
| 20:47 | <lindi-> | tash: I see"New Volume 4.0 GB FAT" now |
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| 20:48 | <lindi-> | tash: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/gnome-disk-utility2.png |
| 20:49 | <tash> | lindi-: in my case it just deleted the partitions |
| 20:49 | <tash> | lindi-: strange =/ |
| 20:49 | <lindi-> | tash: yes you need to click "create partition" |
| 20:49 | <tash> | lindi-, yep, I did, and the problem stills =/ |
| 20:49 | <lindi-> | tash: it doesn't create the partition? |
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| 20:50 | <tash> | lindi-: yep, the partition have been created, but the problem stills the same, even mounting it from |
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| 20:50 | <lindi-> | tash: odd |
| 20:50 | <tash> | the disk utility |
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| 20:51 | <lindi-> | tash: did you also choose "Format Volume"? |
| 20:52 | <tash> | lindi-: just did , and problem stills |
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| 20:52 | <tash> | a permison problem? |
| 20:53 | <lindi-> | tash: not if the other usb drives work |
| 20:53 | <tash> | lindi-: true |
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| 20:54 | <tash> | lindi-: I'll check the file system of the other one |
| 20:54 | <tash> | lindi-: maybe there's a club waiting for us to discover it |
| 20:54 | <lindi-> | if manual mount command works but gnome fails then gnome is giving more options to mount |
| 20:55 | <tash> | lindi-: now the other doesn't work =/ |
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| 20:55 | <tash> | wait, it worked |
| 20:56 | <lindi-> | anyways, I'm away now :) |
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| 21:01 | <TCW> | lindi-, the error is in the partition table, not in the partition itself... so I think dd *is* needed :) |
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| 21:01 | <tash> | I changed the filesystem to ext2 and the problem stills |
| 21:01 | <tash> | TCW: now it doesn't show de syslinux thing, but , we could try the dd thing |
| 21:03 | <TCW> | tash, as root: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1024 count=2 <<--- IF sdb is the pendrive, beware, it'll erase the first 2048 bytes on that blockdevice! |
| 21:03 | <tash> | what do you mean by erase? |
| 21:03 | <TCW> | tash, double- or triple-check before issueing that command that you have the right block-device |
| 21:04 | <TCW> | tash, overwrite it with "0" |
| 21:04 | <tash> | TCW: what could go wrong? |
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| 21:05 | <TCW> | tash, if sdb is your harddisk or any disk in your computer (internal or external) which holds important data gets screwed... |
| 21:05 | <TCW> | +it |
| 21:05 | <TCW> | no hardware damage can be done though |
| 21:05 | <tash> | TCW, but that happen when you format it too, doesn't it? |
| 21:06 | <TCW> | tash, sure... I just want you to be cautious, that's all |
| 21:06 | <tash> | TCW: I just wanted to be sure |
| 21:06 | <tash> | lol, was quick |
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| 21:07 | <tash> | problem stills |
| 21:07 | <TCW> | tash, it should be... only 2048 bytes is not that much :) |
| 21:07 | <Bonjour> | Ello :) |
| 21:07 | <TCW> | tash, file -Ls /dev/sdb* |
| 21:08 | <tash> | TCW, /dev/sdb: x86 boot sector, code offset 0xb8 |
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| 21:08 | <TCW> | tash, and sdb1? |
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| 21:10 | <tash> | TCW, http://pastebin.com/F8SzH7AE |
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| 21:11 | <TCW> | tash, fdisk -l |
| 21:13 | <tash> | http://pastebin.com/eYGwbPcT |
| 21:13 | <tash> | TCW, http://pastebin.com/eYGwbPcT |
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| 21:14 | <TCW> | tash, and manually mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/somewhere as root works? |
| 21:14 | <tash> | TCW: yep |
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| 21:15 | <TCW> | tash, and you did re-plug the pendrive? |
| 21:15 | <tash> | TCW: I have done it o couple of time since we are here |
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| 21:17 | <TCW> | tash, hmm... try a fresh gnome login... maybe nautilus is somewhat confused (or even a reboot to make sure nautilus gets started fresh) |
| 21:17 | <tash> | TCW: the pendrive that works, actually shows the same error, but it does mount automatically and with W/R permisions |
| 21:17 | <TCW> | tash, or pkill nautilus may work too |
| 21:18 | <TCW> | tash, what error? |
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| 21:18 | <hoshi411> | when i used to use ubuntu, I had a nice function to right click a .deb file and select install. Anyone know how I can get that back? |
| 21:19 | <hoshi411> | is that available in debian? |
| 21:19 | <hoshi411> | Im running debian squeeze 601 |
| 21:19 | <portentum> | hoshi411: that's gdebi, it is available in Debian |
| 21:19 | <hoshi411> | port: thanks |
| 21:19 | <tash> | TCW: this one --> http://pastebin.com/cywXsHj4 |
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| 21:21 | <tash> | TCW: am so sorry, I'm on wheezy |
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| 21:22 | <tash> | TCW: could it be a bug? =/ |
| 21:22 | <TCW> | tash, then see the topic... |
| 21:23 | <tash> | TCW: what topic? |
| 21:23 | <TCW> | tash, sure... that's why it is called "testing" and not "stable" |
| 21:23 | <TCW> | tash, the topic if this channel here... |
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| 21:25 | <tash> | TCW: I really need the >2.6.37 |
| 21:26 | <TCW> | tash, huh? |
| 21:26 | <tash> | TCW: I could use squeeze, but it uses 2.6.32 kernel |
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| 21:27 | <TCW> | tash, I am fine with you using wheezy/testing... but you could have used a newer kernel on squeeze as well |
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| 21:28 | <tash> | ,versions linux-image-amd64 |
| 21:28 | <judd> | Package linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; sid: 2.6.39+35.1; wheezy: 2.6.39+35.1; experimental: 3.0.0~rc5+38 |
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| 21:29 | <tash> | TCW: I have 2 pendrives, one works and shows an error, the other shows the same error and doesn't mount |
| 21:30 | <tash> | TCW: could it be a bug of wheezy? |
| 21:30 | <TCW> | tash, and you have testing, that means, see the topic and realise you are in the wrong channel! :p |
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| 21:30 | <TCW> | tash, how often do you want to ask that question? |
| 21:30 | <TCW> | 03:23:15 <TCW> tash, sure... that's why it is called "testing" and not "stable" <<-- |
| 21:31 | <tash> | TCW: =P |
| 21:31 | <tash> | TCW: ty for all buddy ^-^ I learned a couple of things =D |
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| 21:35 | <TCW> | http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable <- funny to read :) |
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| 21:46 | <tash> | TCW: the problem with squeeze is that it doesn't regonize the ethernet of this PC |
| 21:47 | <TCW> | tash, and I said you could use a newer kernel on squeeze |
| 21:47 | <TCW> | at least worth a try... most of the time newer kernel just work on stable... but I've heard of some occasions where it failed. |
| 21:48 | <tash> | TCW: is a netbook and I don't have a optical USB, and for some reason I cannot do a full install from the pendrive |
| 21:48 | <TCW> | tash, ? |
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| 21:51 | <unixabg> | TCW: Could you try installer from http://live.debian.net/ |
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| 21:51 | <tash> | unixabg: that was for me ^^ |
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| 21:52 | <TCW> | unixabg, why should I? :p |
| 21:52 | <unixabg> | tash: Sorry just trying to be helpful since many are helpful to me. |
| 21:53 | <TCW> | I guess that was for me now? :D |
| 21:53 | <tash> | unixabg: yes I could try, but, IDK, I mean, I already have my system installed, do a reinstall because of the pendrives... IDK |
| 21:53 | <unixabg> | TCW: well you can try a live boot to see if the network card works on a live boot from pen drive. |
| 21:54 | <unixabg> | tash and TCW I just reread and sorry. |
| 21:54 | <TCW> | tash, I'd try the SAME pendrives in a debian stable box, if it does work without errors there, write a bug-report against udisks-something (I guess) |
| 21:55 | <tash> | TCW: they worked just fine in my previous system |
| 21:56 | <TCW> | tash, but the pendrive now differs... we did erase and recreate the contents... so maybe not compareable |
| 21:57 | <tash> | is kinda hard, because I could install debian only via that pendrive |
| 21:57 | <tash> | =/ |
| 21:57 | <TCW> | tash, what is kinda hard? |
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| 22:03 | <tash> | TCW: my install method could not be the best |
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| 22:07 | <TCW> | tash, why could it not? |
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| 22:11 | <TCW> | 04:07:24 <TCW> tash, why could it not? |
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| 22:12 | <tash> | TCW: I downloaded the regular iso and created a booteable usb, but, it didn't show the option to do a GUI installation, so I had to do a netinstall |
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| 22:12 | <tash> | TCW: by regular I mean disk 1 |
| 22:13 | <TCW> | huh? |
| 22:13 | <TCW> | the media used (netinst or whatever) does not matter |
| 22:14 | <TCW> | and every debian installer has the option to install Gnome / KDE / Xfce and recently even LXDE directly from the start (chooseable in the boot-menu) |
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| 22:15 | <TCW> | and if one does install a plain "base" install without any GUI (Desktop Environment) it is as easy as apt-get install gnome to get a fully gnome install... |
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| 22:17 | <tash> | TCW. I kinda did the last one, but, I don't want to spend 2 hours downloading the 700mb installer and later download the gnome because of the option didn't show at the moment of the installation |
| 22:18 | <tash> | TCW: the option to install the GUI |
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| 22:19 | <TCW> | tash, how fast is your internet connection? |
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| 22:20 | <tash> | TCW: when I install something the speed is usually 50kbps, tried other mirrors, but the results aren't that diferent must be my ISP |
| 22:20 | <TCW> | tash, how fast is it when you download an iso? |
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| 22:21 | <tash> | TCW: same, like 50-70, unless I use something like !axel |
| 22:21 | <TCW> | tash, so if it is the same... why not just doenload a small business or netinstall iso? |
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| 22:23 | <tash> | TCW: I don't install a system that often, that happened to me like 2 times counting this, so, I guess next time I'll get the netinstall, right now am getting the live iso, I want to check if that one actually regonize my ethernet card, because the regular installer doesn't and I couldn't figure out how to use the firmware pack |
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| 22:25 | <TCW> | tash, it is all about the kernel... what kernel is there on it? |
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| 22:26 | <tash> | TCW: 2.6.32 I supose, am downloading stable |
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| 22:26 | <weedeater64> | Do they ever put Debian on those dvd's in the backs of some of the magazines ? |
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| 22:27 | <weedeater64> | And would that be a good source to obtain a copy ? |
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| 22:39 | <emmetea> | hey quick question... are there squeeze debs for adobe flash? |
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| 22:39 | <TCW> | !flash |
| 22:39 | <dpkg> | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
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| 22:40 | <emmetea> | thank you :) |
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| 22:59 | <tash> | if I want to install a newer kernel on squeeze, can I just take the debs from wheezy? or is that a bad idea? |
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| 23:00 | <TCW> | tash, yes |
| 23:00 | <tash> | TCW: what debs should I take? there are a lot of them |
| 23:01 | <TCW> | tash, one that fits? The same you had on wheezy I guess |
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| 23:02 | <tash> | TCW: is there any way to download the metapackage linux-image-2.6-amd64 and all its dependencies(automatically) to a folder? |
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| 23:03 | <dvs> | tash: you could use backports |
| 23:04 | <tash> | dvs: there is no backport for the kernel... I guess |
| 23:04 | <tash> | ,versions linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 23:04 | <judd> | Package linux-image-2.6-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; sid: 2.6.39+35.1; wheezy: 2.6.39+35.1; experimental: 3.0.0~rc5+38 |
| 23:05 | <TCW> | tash, yes, but to much to fiddle around.... just download the kernel, dpkg -i ... see what it needs to be installed, get that too (if the package in stable is not new enough) and go on... |
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| 23:06 | <tash> | if my ethernet card is not detected, I wont be able download anything |
| 23:07 | <dvs> | nope |
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| 23:08 | <asteroid1717> | Hey. |
| 23:09 | <menageree> | can anyone help me with using ssvnc with x11vnc and ssh? i'm pretty confused |
| 23:09 | <asteroid1717> | Can't, sorry. |
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| 23:18 | <menageree> | seems like the only way to get it working is to manually tell the client's ssh client to locally redirect to an already open ssh session... i thought with x11vnc and ssvnc this wasn't necessary |
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