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00:11<matsp888>i made fat32 file systems on the "root" device, for example /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sdb1, etc. I suppose this won't pose any implications? it seems to work fine so far at least
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00:12<sney>that's fine, you're just stuck with one partition
00:12<matsp888>indeed
00:12<matsp888>thanks
00:12<sney>also, windows might have a fit depending on what kind of device it is
00:12<matsp888>they are only used as backups
00:12<sney>if it's a removable drive of some sort it'll probably be fine
00:12<matsp888>hm, i tried with xp though, and it didn't complain
00:12<matsp888>yes, i suppose so
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00:12<matsp888>thanks
00:13<sney>also, did you know there's an ext2 driver for windows that can read ext2/3/4?
00:13<matsp888>nope
00:13<matsp888>nifty
00:13<sney>read and write, that is. I've given up vfat entirely
00:13<matsp888>heh
00:13<matsp888>well, it's kind of limited
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00:13<sney>http://www.fs-driver.org/
00:13<matsp888>thanks for the pointer
00:14<matsp888>i may consider it
00:14<matsp888>but then we have mac...
00:15<matsp888>i suppose there isn't such a solution for it yet
00:15<matsp888>i just want it to be "ulitimately portable"
00:15<matsp888>ultimately even
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00:15<sney>hmm indeed
00:16<matsp888>if not, i would use ext2/3 in a wink
00:16<sney>there's no good reason for osx to not be able to read ext volumes, but that doesn't mean it can
00:16<matsp888>yes
00:17<matsp888>now i have to tar.gz my linux stuff before backing up, since that will retain the permissions, etc. no big deal though
00:18<matsp888>when using fat32, that is
00:18<matsp888>or vfat, whatever
00:18<matsp888>ok end of my fat ranting
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00:29<user01>is there a way i can trick google into accepting iceweasel stable? it says i need to download a modern browser
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00:29<sney>maybe with the user agent switcher addon
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00:34<user01>sney, nope, probably an html 5 thing
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00:34<sney>user01: rough. well, there's http://mozilla.debian.net/ for iceweasel backports
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01:50<devil>!bt
01:50<dpkg>i guess bt is Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>, or <bttv>.
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02:00<Hydroxide>hah, that's an awesome dpkg factoid :)
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02:19<Jonny>I can't play a game worth heck, how do I get the drivers for my video card?
02:19<Jonny>i have plenty ram so thats not the problem
02:20<Jonny>i have nvidia
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02:23<devil>Jonny: what driver are you using now?
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02:24<Jonny>i have no idea....
02:25<devil>Jonny: ok, so you probably want the proprietary nvidia driver
02:25<devil>Jonny: what debian suite are you tracking?
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02:26<Jonny>um, i downloaded the net install
02:26<devil>Jonny: squeeze aka stable?
02:27<Jonny>yeah
02:27<devil>!nvidia
02:27<dpkg>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
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02:28<devil>Jonny: read the part in the link for non-free drivers
02:28<devil>Jonny: what nvidia card is that?
02:28<Jonny>man, sorry im not sure, is there a command i could pastebin you more info
02:29<devil>Jonny: lspci
02:29<ganeshp>hello all, I wanted some help in configuring selinux on my debian sqeeze on virtualbox. I have followed the steps given in http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup. This works fine with default settings i.e. with permissive mode. But when I execute command "selinux-config-enforcing" and reboot the vm it fails to login.
02:30<Jonny>devil: pastebin.com/hRnqUnvp
02:31<Jonny>i included the line that was important
02:31<devil>clickable link please? :)
02:32*devil is lazy
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02:32<Jonny>does this work, http://pastebin.com/hRnqUnvp
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02:33<devil>yup
02:33<devil>Jonny: ok, follow the non-free part of http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
02:34<Jonny>ok thanks a lot ill see if I can install a driver from that guide
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02:39<Jonny>in the process i got "unable to lock administration directory"
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02:53<devil>Jonny: where?
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02:54<devil>Jonny: in front of the commands in the wiki you have $ and #, where $ means: do this as user, and # means: this command needs root
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03:07<Jonny>sorry for the extremely late reply, i did the command "apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common" as root and it told me "unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/) is another process using it?"
03:11<devil>Jonny: you probably have synaptics or some such open?
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03:12<Jonny>oh, yeah i do
03:12<devil>there can be only one :)
03:12<Jonny>lol
03:12<Jonny>now it says unable to locate the package
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03:12<devil>what package?
03:12<Jonny>nvidia-kernel-common
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03:13<devil>Jonny: it says: 0. Make sure APT has non-free and contrib sources (consult the sources.list(5) man page for help on doing this)
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03:14<devil>so, you want to append contrib non-free after main to your debian line in sources.list
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03:14<Jonny>..where is sources.list?
03:14<devil>to make it look like: deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
03:15<devil> other than the sid, which will be squeeze for you
03:15<devil> /etc/apt
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03:16<Jonny>wow seems to have worked
03:16<Jonny>sweet
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03:20<Jonny>it says to then run command "m-a auto-install nvidia-kernal${VERSION}-source" ... can I find the VERSION thru lspci?
03:22<devil>Jonny: why not try to run it as is? :)
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03:22<Jonny>well, that would be because I loath errors haha, il try it
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03:23<Jonny>awesome
03:24<Jonny>i have never seen a GUI interface in the terminal before...!!
03:25<Jonny>its finished, do i need to restart?
03:26<devil>you need to create a xorg.conf stanza first
03:26<Jonny>alright, how do i do that
03:27<Jonny>oh haha sorry it says so in the docs
03:27<devil>Jonny: mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
03:27<devil>Jonny: touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
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03:28<devil>put the following lines in that file:
03:28<devil>#
03:28<devil>Section "Device"
03:28<devil> Identifier "Device 0"
03:28<devil> Driver "nvidia"
03:28<devil>EndSection
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03:28<devil>and hit enter after doing so to get an empty line. save and exit
03:30<Jonny>ug, i can only read, how can i edit?
03:31<devil>as root
03:31<devil>in your favourite editor (as you did for sources.list
03:31<Jonny>so i should add those lines through terminal? i dont' know how to open a file as root
03:31<Jonny>sorry jk i got it
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03:33<Jonny>ok i made it
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03:36<Jonny>am i finished? I see "Restart X" in the docs but I'm not sure what that is
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03:38<Jonny>devil: so should i restart now? and my nvidia driver is finally usable?
03:39<devil>Jonny: hopefuly
03:39<devil>Jonny: read it again to make sure you got everything done
03:39<devil>Jonny: nvidia-glx is installed?
03:40<devil>and the dkms stuff?
03:41<Jonny>nope
03:41<Jonny>il do that
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04:24<rsmith_>Do CGI scripts need the read bit set (in addition to the execute bit)? I'm using Lighttpd and I get a 403 error unless I have the script's read bit set
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04:25<Jonny>when i try to boot, it is stuck on a flickering underscore in the corner
04:25<weasel>rsmith_: the interpreter has to read the file in order to run the program.
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04:28<rsmith_>weasel: The program is a C binary. I (the owner) can execute it with the read bit unset (but the execute bit set )
04:29<weasel>if it's a binary then read shouldn't be required.
04:29<weasel>it might be that lighttpd adds that restriction
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04:29<rsmith_>ok, thanks! I'll have to investigate further
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04:31<chaosIrssi>how do i see which source in my sources.list provides a specific package?
04:31<weasel>apt-cache policy
04:31<chaosIrssi>thx
04:32<Jonny>anyone know why my debian is stuck on flickering underscore?
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04:47<Gh0Sty2k>can someone tell me when i login why it keeps saying unlock login keyring and it wont go away?
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04:53<gertt>hi people I am trying to add a printer to a squeeze debian box through localhost:631 it seemed to be installed OK but the test page does not go through stopped i"/usr/lib/cups/filter/pstopdf failed"
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04:53<gertt>any help?
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04:54<zapotah>im running out of ideas fast with this... A windows server 2008 r2 4disk software raid5 array with gpt partition table and dynamic disks. The raid5 volume just wont show up no matter what ive tried. Either im missing something or my skills are somewhat lacking. dmraid and mdadm have failed me or i just dont know what to tell them to do.
04:55<gertt>1 sec, trying to change the driver
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04:56<zapotah>running 6.0.2.1 of debian and ive been banging my head against the wall for the last two days now
04:56<chaosIrssi>what's the difference between libares0 and libc-ares2?
04:56<zapotah>is it just not going to happen or am i truly missing something here
04:56<weasel>zapotah: windows software raid?
04:57<zapotah>weasel, a raid5 array created with ldm
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04:57<weasel>and linux can read those?
04:57<zapotah>as i understand it ldm, gpt and ntfs support should all be pretty good nowadays
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04:59<zapotah>the disks show up just fine but there is some kind of a weird problem with the partitions showing up
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05:00<gertt>Hi I changed the driver for the printer this did not help - the status of the printer: could not read xref table. any help?
05:00<zapotah>this would certainly be easy enough if i had 6tb worth of spare hdds to move all the stuff to temporarily
05:05<zapotah>im quite certain that there is a way to do this but so far i havent been able to figure it out
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05:05<zapotah>hopefully its not a random bug or such
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05:14<gertt>another problem: installing a modest package I get a message: /usr/bin/mandb: can't write to /var/cache/man/11392: No space left on device
05:14<gertt>any help?
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05:16<scinl>gertt: what does "df -h" command say?
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05:17<gertt>scinl - 5.6 gig of 5.8 for / are used
05:18<scinl>Do you have anything other than / or does your disk only have one partition?
05:18<scinl>gertt: Your issue is that you have over 95% of your HD taken up, and that package you're trying to install is over 5%...
05:18<gertt>1 sec
05:19<scinl>5.6 of 5.8 gigs used, and the package you're trying to install may be over 200 megs (.2 gigs)
05:19<scinl>gertt: It's IRC, no hurry. :D
05:19<gertt>http://pastebin.com/k1JSaeVt
05:20<gertt>scinl I understand this but i do not know why the / is so full
05:20<cahoot>df -i ?
05:20<gertt>#apt-get clean does not help
05:20<ansgar>gertt: Maybe you just installed that much?
05:21<cahoot>df -i gertt (out of inodes perhaps)
05:22<gertt>cahoot: http://pastebin.com/z2L6Um50
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05:23<cahoot>that was redundant since df -h gave you the answer
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05:26<gertt>any advice?
05:27<cahoot>make room
05:27<gertt>this is the root partition I am afraid to erase things
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05:29<gertt>i can add 5 gig by gparted, fo u think it will help?
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05:29<scinl>I have been using "sudo apt-get -f upgrade --fix-missing" and think this may be a silly thing to do. Is that '-f' even doing anything?
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05:45<greshnik>Hello all, ppl!
05:45<greshnik>I need some help with ndiswrapper...
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05:45<greshnik>Currently running Squeeze 64bit with backported kernel 2.6.38
05:45<greshnik>Using broadcom 4318 wireless card
05:46<babilen>!enter
05:46<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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05:46<babilen>greshnik: "lspci -nn|grep -i network" please
05:46<greshnik>05:05.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4318] (rev 02)
05:47<cahoot>greshnik, you're sure you need ndis?
05:47<greshnik>open source driver b43 is not suitable, because I need Ad-hoc connection, and it seems does not work
05:47<babilen>You are sure that you need ndiswrapper?
05:47<babilen>What about wl?
05:48*babilen checks the wikis (in a second)
05:48<greshnik>Also it have a bad perfomance. I used ndiswrapper before upgrade to 2.6.38 all go smoothly
05:48<greshnik>babilen: wl does not support my card
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05:52<greshnik>I have tested working Windows XP drivers (64 bit). I using ndiswrapper-source from testing (wheezy) repo, because ndiswrapper in squeeze fails to compile under 2.6.38. With testing version all is ok... Installing, compilling. If i "modprobe ndiswrapper" with no any installed NDIS-drivers, all is ok, but if I probing ndiswrapper after adding my wireless drive (bcmwl5.inf) I have "kernel Oops"
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05:58<babilen>greshnik: Just out of interest: Why don't you use .32?
05:58<greshnik>Have 4Gb of RAM
05:58<ani>bigmem
05:58<babilen>You ^^^
05:58<greshnik>I know, but I using 64bit architecture all the time
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05:59<greshnik>I have a dual core cpu with EMT64 and I prefer to use it
05:59<ani>amd pc greshnik
05:59<babilen>You are using amd64 already? Why do you need/want .38 then?
05:59<babilen>And you can also install an amd64 kernel on i386.
06:01<greshnik>Yes, I'm using amd64 already. I know about amd64 kernel on i386, but I already on amd64, and all is going smoothly except wireless )
06:02<babilen>So, why do you want the .38 kernel if everyhting was working fine with .32?
06:03<greshnik>Heh, I know about much improvements in .38 version, and I want to taste them )
06:04<greshnik>I'm already thinking about downgrade, but I interested in finding solution
06:04<greshnik>Because I'm not alone with the similar problem
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06:35<dominick>Hi! How good is a 600MB system running squeeze as an application server with tomcat and mysql?
06:36<dominick>I'm talking about the Amazon EC2 micro instance: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/#instance
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06:46<bluegoon>hi guys
06:46<bluegoon>When I log onto ubuntu, there is a big red "1" up left
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07:08<Action>Hello all
07:09<greshnik>bluegoon: Go to monitor settings and disable the "Identify monitor" option
07:09<Action>Question: which channel is the best for the topic of iptables?
07:09<cahoot>greshnik, he's left - hopefully for #ubuntu
07:10<greshnik>okay, sorry)
07:11<Action>And no one answers
07:11<Action>Seems wrong server here
07:12<Action>Only server and channels for sinners, like greshnik
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07:12<Action>Not for real profis or so
07:12<Action><buzy>
07:12<greshnik>Action, cool down
07:12<greshnik>maybe ppl are busy right now
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07:12<cahoot>I doubt real 'profis' would seek their guidance on irc
07:13<scinl>Action: This is IRC, be prepared to wait for an answer.
07:14<Action>[back to here]
07:14<denjirou> 日本語通じる人いますか?
07:15<Action>cahoot You know, I have such an impression that one has better chances to find an earnest answer to a question on IRC, not in Web
07:15<scinl>!jp
07:15<dpkg>Japanese speakers: please use #debianjp on irc.debian.or.jp or speak English here.
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07:15<Action>cahoot All those web forums are parties of those who don't know
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07:16<Action>denjirou Connichi-waa
07:16<Action>denjirou , denjirou-san
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07:17<SynrG>Action: iptables on debian?
07:17<SynrG>!iptables
07:17<dpkg>[iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables . http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.freenode.net. See also <ferm>, <lartc>, <masq>, <ulogd>.
07:17<valdyn>Action: this is not a yellow pages channel
07:17<Action>SynRG Yep. Iptables on Debian i386
07:17<SynrG>come to the point and ask your question, then
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07:18<Action>valdyn What's with yellow pages? Whad did you mean to say?
07:18<scinl>!ask
07:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:18<Action>SynRG So this is the question: how to forward traffic with iptables, but without NAT/masquerading?
07:19<valdyn>Action: it means that you dont ask here "where do i go to get help with xy", thats offtopic like any other non-debian question
07:19<Action>SynRG Two machines on LAN, one of them is directly connected to Internet, other must be routed through it, both have public IPs
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07:19<valdyn>Action: that does not involve iptables
07:19<valdyn>!port forwarding
07:19<dpkg>methinks port forwarding is handled by ipmasqadm for <= 2.2.x kernels (ipmasqadm portfw -h), or by iptables -j DNAT for 2.4.x kernels (man iptables). See <transparent proxy> and <port forward> for more information.
07:20<valdyn>!port forward
07:20<dpkg>Ask me about <ip forwarding> ; iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -j DNAT --to-destination
07:20<valdyn>Action: ^^
07:20<Action>valdyn NAT works perfectly but is not what is intended, so is not port forwarding.
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07:20<Action>valdyn But thanks for nice try.
07:21<valdyn>Action: routing isnt covered by iptables, thats done by the tcp/ip stack itself
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07:21<Action>valdyn For sure, but something must be set in iptables to enable forwarding
07:21<valdyn>Action: no
07:22<valdyn>!forwarding
07:22<Action>valdyn sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 is not enough
07:22<valdyn>Action: thats enough
07:22<Action>valdyn It's for sure something about iptables
07:22<valdyn>Action: no!
07:22<Action>valdyn I worked around it, well, maybe it's some crap on the side of ISP, don't know.
07:23<Action>valdyn But in my situation it's up to iptables if routing works or not.
07:23<valdyn>Action: no!
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07:24<Action>valdyn Having /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward set to 1, I also have to enable NAT or masquerading to make the second machine be able to go to inet through the first one.
07:24<valdyn>Action: iptables only does stuff beyond the scope of the tcp/ip stack
07:24<valdyn>Action: no you dont, since both are public ips
07:25<Action>valdyn Maybe, but: the only thing which seems to make difference in this case, the only thing which decides if the second machine can go inet or not is iptables
07:25<valdyn>Action: then its not on a public ip
07:25<Action>valdyn Or, exactly to say, some rules of iptables. With masquerading, it goes.
07:26<valdyn>Action: are you trying to confuse us? either is a private non-routable ip, then you need iptables, or its a public ip, then iptables is not involved
07:26<Action>valdyn I thought that there must be a way to forward traffic directly, like "sudo iptables -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT", maybe "iptables -A FORWARD -o ppp0 -j ACCEPT", but it didn't work for me.
07:27<Action>valdyn Maybe it's all problems made intentionally by the ISP.
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07:27<valdyn>Action: your rule above is only useful if you first *block* traffic via iptables, then its an added exception to the general block
07:28<Action>valdyn Aynyway, I don't want to apply to ISP for help as I know from my own experience and that of others, it won't bring anything good.
07:28<valdyn>Action: thats useless, since you have a public ip that ip is probably meant to be reachable from the internet
07:28<Action>valdyn OK how would you do it? Forwarding traffic
07:29<Action>Let's say, IPs are 1.1.1.1 and 2.2.2.2. First is directly on Inet.
07:29<valdyn>Action: now if you dont need that public ip ( that box doesnt need to be reachable from the internet ), then you can do masquerading like with a private ip
07:29<Action>1.1.1.1 goes inet with no problem
07:29<valdyn>!masq
07:29<dpkg>hmm... masq is See: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L
07:29<Action>2.2.2.2 goes inet only with masq on first machine
07:29<Action>Direct forwarding doesn't work, don't know why.
07:30<Action>How can ISP check such things and block them? And is there way around?
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07:30<Action>valdyn I know that for private networks I don't need public IPs and can do all with masq, but in this case, it must be done different. Namely, with public IPs.
07:31<Action>valdyn As I already wrote, masq works perfectly, but is not what is needed in this case.
07:31<Action>denjirou Sayonara
07:31<valdyn>Action: isp router must have your 1.1.1.1 as gateway for 2.2.2.2 in his routing table
07:32<valdyn>Action: and your 2.2.2.2 must have 1.1.1.1 as gateway in his routing table
07:32<valdyn>Action: and 1.1.1.1 must have the forwarding enabled as with that echo 1 > ...
07:32<valdyn>Action: iptables is not involved
07:33<Action>valdyn so kinda there is no dynamic routing tables, all must be changed manually by ISP or so?
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07:33<Action>valdyn on my side is no problem, something like "route add default gw 1.1.1.1" or the IP of gw on the LAN
07:34<Action>valdyn ip_forward=1 is no question, as I always enable it first
07:34<valdyn>Action: right
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07:34<cripple>crips
07:36<valdyn>Action: i cant know if dynamic routing tables are involved and i have absolutely no idea about bgp and whatever dynamic routing protocol
07:36<valdyn>Action: you need to ask your ISP
07:37<Action>valdyn OK let's say with more details: the whole thing is for kinda authentication on organization's own servers accross inet.
07:37<valdyn>Action: what this is for is irrelevant
07:37<Action>valdyn They must see some special IPs to allow traffic from them
07:37<valdyn>Action: its also a very simple setup
07:37<valdyn>Action: but its also a setup where your isp has to mirror your setup
07:38<Action>valdyn OK it's clear.
07:38<valdyn>Action: because packets have to be routed in both directions
07:38<Action>valdyn For the case that setup may have to be changed, especially kinda in real time, like you know how it happens in real IT life, is there a way like with tunnels or so?
07:39<valdyn>Action: your 2.2.2.2 has to be made reachable by your isp
07:39<Action>Problem is that machine might change it's location, but public IP is still the same.
07:39<valdyn>Action: tunnels dont help you there, or its *still* your isp that has to do his part
07:40<Action>valdyn reachable by ISP - something like "iptables -A FORWARD -i ppp0 -d 2.2.2.2 -j ACCEPT"?
07:40<valdyn>Action: iptables is not involved
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07:41<valdyn>Action: why dont your traceroute your ips from somewehre else and see what your isp does with it
07:41<Action>valdyn Gonna look for shell account to tracerote from other machine
07:42<valdyn>Action: various websites do this
07:42<Action>valdyn By the way, can't the problem be that IP of ISP's router does not belong to the IP pool they offer?
07:43<valdyn>Action: pointless speculation
07:43<valdyn>Action: ask them
07:43<Action>valdyn I know, just like I know they made accounts available for limited time only, to keep using one must tell his real name
07:44<Action>valdyn With different IPs: I know it from PPPoE
07:45<Action>..
07:45<Action>Anyway, no matter.
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07:45<Action>valdyn Thanks for answers and help.
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07:49<_SeriousSam_>Hi! I am interesting is there an opportunity to do line feed without executing command in console in Linux? I. e. to write multiline scripts right in the console.
07:51<weasel>; \
07:51<weasel>or &&
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07:51<weasel>or many other ways
07:51<Action>_SeriousSam_ Try, for example, prepending newline by backslash
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07:53<_SeriousSam_>Thanks a lot, guys!
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08:27<zozo>Good day! I need help with configuring network in Proxmox VE for virtual environment. Does anybody coild help?
08:28<Action>zozo Tell more.
08:29<Action>zozo What's the problem, what is the intention, target to be reached?
08:29<zozo>I've ordered new server on hetzner.de, installed Proxmox VE, ordered additional IP with separated MAC, read many manuals, tried different configs but still no luck :(
08:29<zozo>So..
08:29<zozo>I need to run several (not more than 4) guset on this server
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08:30<zozo>I have one main IP for host server and one (one for now, later - more) IP with MAC for guest. I need to run guest with that additional IP.
08:31<Action>zozo Did I understand it correctly that you do everything over web-based control panel only?
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08:31<zozo>As i understand old days hetzner killed all packets that is not from original MAC of server. And now you can use seperated MAC that is allow to use bridget networking.
08:32<zozo>No, I have SSH access to host server and tried many different configs
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08:33<zozo>I've installed Proxmox manually throu rescue system, so I'm an absolutely newby :)) I'm not scary about ssh and editing configs in vim
08:33<zozo>i'm NOT and ansolutely newby :))
08:34<abrotman>zozo: and what's the server OS?
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08:34<zozo>Proxmox VE use Debian 5
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08:34<ansgar>zozo: What is "Proxmox"?
08:34<abrotman>a closed proprietary vm system
08:35<Action>zozo It seems to be about virtualzation. In this topic, I can't help a lot now.
08:35<Action>Especially with closed software
08:35<zozo>http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Main_Page
08:35<zozo>it's opensource
08:35<zozo>Proxmox Virtual Environment is an easy to use Open Source virtualization platform for running Virtual Appliances and Virtual Machines.
08:35<abrotman>zozo: so what is the host OS?
08:36<zozo>debian 5
08:36<abrotman>did you try anything like wireshark to see what is going on with your data?
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08:36<abrotman>so a VM from proxmox using Debian5 sits on top of a Debian5 host?
08:36<zozo>the server is in Germany and I'm in Indonesia now, so its not so easy to do it
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08:37<zozo>basicly, proxmox is just an web-interface to manage VMs on OpenVX and KVM
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08:37<abrotman>did you try anything like wireshark to see what is going on with your data?
08:37<zozo>OpenVZ
08:37<zozo>i need only KVM
08:38<zozo>the server is in Germany and I'm in Indonesia now, so its not so easy to do it
08:38<zozo>I didn't tried wireshark
08:38<zozo>and for now I don't understand how it could helps me
08:38<zozo>I can't configure the additional IP
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08:42<Bushmills>zozo: "i need only KVM" - why not use kvm then?
08:43<zozo>I use kvm. but I prefer to manage my VMs throug web-interface instead of console.
08:44<Action>bye all
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08:45<abrotman>zozo: so the problem is the VM or the proxmox?
08:45<zozo>i don't understand how to configure host and guest to make it works
08:46<Bushmills>ah. the benefits of a comfortable web interface :)
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08:48<zozo>I told that problem is not in the web-interface. I can configure network through vim /etc/netwokr/interfaces but still didn't find the right confiuretion
08:48<Bushmills>well, they do say that it's Proxmox VE is licensed under GPLv2 , not not, as purported otherwise, proprietary
08:48<Bushmills>and not ...
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08:48<abrotman>Bushmills: i was looking at something else on their site .. what i thought he was trying to use .. i was wrong :)
08:49<Bushmills>zozo, for kvm, i bridge several tap interfaces to the physical nic. the bridge has no ip address, only th physical nic and the tap interfaces have
08:50<Bushmills>each tap gets its own MAC, determined by the VM boot script.
08:50<Bushmills>no idea how to translate that to a web interface
08:50<zozo>forget about web-interface :)
08:50<zozo>i can configure everything manually
08:52<zozo>look.. me host-server ip is 11.22.33.103, gateway: 11.22.33.97. additional ip is 11.22.33.123. I want guest os to use this additional IP
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08:52<zozo>how can I configure that?
08:53<Bushmills>first you'd add the additional ip addresses, st like up if addr add ... in your interfaces file
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08:54<Bushmills>then, with brvtl, tunctl, create bridge, add tap interface
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08:55<Bushmills>setting qtap0 - the host side tap, to promisc, and adding host route to guest ip address through bridge
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08:55<Bushmills>then start guest, with -net tap, ifname=qtap...
08:56<Bushmills>roughly
08:56<Bushmills>sorry. qtap0 is guest side, not host side, tap
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08:59<zozo>thanks! I'll try to do it...
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09:00<Bushmills>docs in the net all seem to give bridge an own ip address. this doesn't seem to be necessary, and saves you from wasting one address for the bridge
09:01<Bushmills>alternatively, docs don't assign address to eth interface, and use it for bridge. which makes live config more difficult because of temporary network dropout
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09:02<Bushmills>so i just left eth0 its ip adress, didn't assign one to bridge, but only to client taps. no network interruption occured that way, and i was able to hot-config it in the running system, no need for rescue system.
09:02<Bushmills>made it easier to test the results and effects
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09:08<SynrG>Bushmills: or you can use virtualbox, configure the interface to 'bridged' and hey-presto, it just works
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09:09<Bushmills>SynrG: i was considering virtualbox but the decided that i might like kvm better
09:09<Bushmills>then
09:09<SynrG>for my limited deployment on my workstation at work, it's the least hassle. i have it set up to run headless
09:09<Bushmills>a bit of configuration needs is nothing what worries me
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09:10<Bushmills>the "it just works" paradigm may be at the base of technical unawareness
09:10*SynrG shrugs
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09:10<SynrG>in my case, it's a matter of what i have time to mess with
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09:11<Bushmills>you could hire a consultant :)
09:11<SynrG>if kvm were vastly superior in some way that justified the extra time ...
09:11<SynrG>i'd happily switch
09:11<SynrG>anyway, rather OT to this particular discussion :)
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09:14<abrotman>Bushmills: KVM is probably a bit better in terms of resource consumption, but yeah, vbox makes it easier to do some of the "advanced" configuration
09:15<Bushmills>SynrG, abrotman, it may help zozo to know that, as it may ease his setup woes
09:16<abrotman>Bushmills: i don't believe there is a web interface .. which seems to be what he's after
09:16<Bushmills>(14:50:53) zozo: forget about web-interface :)
09:16<SynrG>i think he means the guest OS has a web interface
09:17<SynrG>zozo: correct me if i'm wrong
09:17<SynrG>ah
09:18<SynrG>abrotman: and yes, if i were mass deploying multiple VMs on big iron, i might consider kvm for that very reason
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09:18<abrotman>SynrG: and usually that "advanced" setup bit only happens once or twice :)
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09:33<Rehnquist>peeps, can anyone please help me apply a kernel patch? :\
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09:39<abrotman>Rehnquist: man patch ?
09:39<Rehnquist>abrotman, say what?
09:40<chaos>is there any way to resize an encrypted partition?
09:40<grove> /msg judd 0582:00ea
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09:40<abrotman>grove: you want a command in there too
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09:43<grove>abrotman: I kinda guessed that, now I just need to remember what the commands judd understands are
09:43<abrotman>judd: pciid 0582:00ea
09:43<judd>[0582:00ea] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=0582:00ea
09:43*abrotman thinks judd needs an "update-pciids" or something
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09:44<abrotman>grove: you sure that's a PCI ID?
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09:45<grove>abrotman: No, it's from lsusb
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09:46<abrotman>well, there you go!
09:46<abrotman>though, it's still not in the usb.ids file that i just updated
09:47<jhutchins_lt>abrotman: Does judd do usbid?
09:47<abrotman>judd: usbid 0582:00ea
09:47<cripple>crip
09:47<abrotman>he didn't say it was an invalid command ...
09:48<grove>When I said "help usbid" in a om to judd he said 'Error: There is no command "usbid".'
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09:49<abrotman>okay then ...
09:49<abrotman>regardless .. i used update-usbids .. and there's no such id in the file
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09:51<jhutchins_lt>Perhaps there is an error in the id.
09:52<abrotman>perhaps .. but i can't say .. it's his ID
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09:55<grove>The id is fine, it's a "Cakewalk UA-1G" USB audio interface, I bought some months ago, and back then I found a page online saying it was supported from 2.6.35 (I think it was), and now I finally had the time to try it out, so I plugged it in and couldn't immediately see it in the xfce mixer, so I thought I'd start by asking judd if he knew anything (having forgotten that it was pci ids he knew about)
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09:56<cliworksbetter>how can I use mplayer under the CLI (no X windows) with the svgalib without being superuser? (SVGAlib requests root priviledges in order to run)
09:57<grove>Today, I've found http://alsa.opensrc.org/Cakewalk_UA-1G which says it's not supported by Alsa, but that page hasn't been updated for a year
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09:59<grove>That page also says "UDev is able to recognise the audio device. Just plug and play." -
10:00<abrotman>grove: and whne you plug it in .. does anything show up in /var/log/messages ?
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10:00<petemc>cliworksbetter: directfb
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10:01<abrotman>cliworksbetter: why aren't you asking #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net ?
10:01<cliworksbetter>petemc: but directfb isn't svgalib, I want to use svgalib
10:02<cliworksbetter>abrotman: why should I ?
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10:02<abrotman>you're using ubuntu ?
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10:03<cliworksbetter>yes and no. Let me elaborate: I am using ubuntu right now in this computer, but the question I am asking is intended to be applied to other computer. Moreover, the fact that I have chosen ubuntu as a hostname doesn't mean that that's what I am using on this machine (which I am, but that's not something that necessarily stems from the chosen hostname)
10:03<petemc>its your username rather than hostname
10:04<grove>abrotman: Yes, five lines, one telling that it uses ehci_hcd address 7, one giving idVendor and idProduct, one giving USB device strings and two telling me which product it is and who manufactured it. All looks rather normal
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10:04<cliworksbetter>petemc: change hostname for username in my sentences and the meaning will apply
10:04<abrotman>heh
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10:04<abrotman>grove: but nothing saying it's an audio device?
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10:05<infinity0>anyone got any good resources for learning GNU make?
10:06<grove>abrotman: No
10:07<babilen>infinity0: http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/ seems to be a good choice ;)
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10:10<grove>http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-audio-users/msg69757.html says the device should have been supported since 2.6.33
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10:12<FybonaX>Hi !
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10:13<infinity0>babilen: thanks but reference manuals are generally best for someone that's already familiar with something. for a beginner there are often better resources to use, which is what i was asking for
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10:28<grove>Hmm, when I plug in the device, /dev/audio1, /dev/dsp1 and /dev/mixer1 appears along with some extra entries in /dev/snd (and /dev/char), so something in the kernel must know that it's sound related
10:29<ayaka>how to swich tty in vbox? it swich the host
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10:33<padski>ayaka, screen is handy
10:34<ayaka>padski, I see
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10:36<grove>Okay, some of my problem might just be the xfce mixer, alsamixer sees the device, but tells me it has no controls (but I think I read somewhere that it is supposed to be that way)
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10:45<grove>`ogg123 -d alsa -o dev:"hw:1" <file>` was all it took to get music through the device, so it is supported - strange that it's not in usb.ids
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10:50<TCW>I guess wheezy is about to be shiped with gnome-shell/3 when it is released? At least that is the most obvious way imho, right?
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10:51<abrotman>TCW: i think that's the general idea at this point
10:51<abrotman>!gnome3
10:51<dpkg>GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>.
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10:52<Black_Prince>grove, update-usbids, maybe your usb.ids is a bit old.
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10:54<TCW>I really wonder how the upgrade will go there and how many users will get offended in some way... either just because it is gnome3/shell, or because something got messed up during upgrade...
10:54<abrotman>Black_Prince: i did, still not htere
10:54<abrotman>TCW: same thing happened kde3->4
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10:54<TCW>abrotman, what was the user experience there?
10:55<abrotman>generally, a lot of people were unhappy with kde4 .. so much so that there's a project somewhere to keep kde3 alive
10:55<TCW>and I am somewhat very disappointed about KDE4 (4.6!!). It still feels like a beta version.
10:55<abrotman>!trinity
10:55<dpkg>Trinity is a project to keep <KDE> 3.5 alive by making packages of this distribution available for Debian squeeze (Squeeze has KDE 4.4 packaged). It is not part of Debian, and their packages are neither supported by #debian nor by the Debian Security Team. http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ #trinity-desktop on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <kde squeeze>.
10:55<TCW>abrotman, yeah... trinity
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10:56<grove>Black_Prince: As abrotman said, updating usb.ids doesn't help
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10:58<TCW>I never was a fan of the appearance of KDE3, it was somewhat... dunno... ugly. As ugly as gnome2 but gnome2 was never that much... obtrusive... as KDE3 was. KDE4 looks great, but it has so many bugs, very obvious and annoying bugs, just hard to believe.
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11:00<TCW>I am not talking about stability issues... they got fixed. It is just... the ui-feeling... looks nice but the handling is so... unhandy...
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11:01<TCW>Somewhat like the devs were on persuit of something so damn hard, that the implementation did not matter as much as the persuit itself.
11:02<TCW>pursuit even :)
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11:02<abrotman>TCW: i'll be happy with gnome3 gets into unstable ..
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11:05<TCW>abrotman, I guess gnome3 will at least be somewhat "mature" when it comes to its design and user interface. Yeah it will be somewhat different and may annoy some users, but once one is used to it, he will most likely see the benefit of it. And over time (gnome 3.2 something) the still most rough edges will be soothed.
11:06<abrotman>TCW: i think they took a lot of care after seeing the kde4 'debacle' ..
11:06<TCW>I mean... KDE has a gadzillion options, but there is no way to tell the clock / date in the tray to NOT be a two-liner (und so almost unreadable small)
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11:07<TCW>abrotman, yeah... that could have been an inspiration for them ;)
11:07<TCW>hmm... to them? *scratches head*
11:09<TCW>and a real joke... I really can't overcome this one... the 'cube'... what did they smoke as they were implementing that 'thing'?
11:09<TCW>s/as/while/
11:11<TCW>it is so damn inconsitent... just a poser-feature, you just feel the jealousy they must have had looking at compiz...
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11:35<randomguy>Can I install debian from another linux os? Without downloading any Iso?
11:36<petemc>the install guide lists methods for installing from other operating systems
11:36<patrickh>http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ ;-)
11:36<patrickh>from windows
11:36<sney>!debootstrap
11:36<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap
11:37<TCW>randomguy, debootstrap
11:38<randomguy>Ok. Thanks.
11:38<randomguy>Will stable be too updated for regular desktop usage?
11:38<randomguy>*outdated
11:38<sney>no
11:38<TCW>not at all
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11:39<patrickh>will iceweasel 3.6 come into squeeze?
11:39<sney>stable was released only a few months ago, it's still pretty current. and there are backports available for some newer software, such as iceweasel/firefox
11:39<patrickh>it's current until google plus i think
11:39<randomguy>Debian doesnt support ppa's like ubuntu. Does it?
11:40<sney>no, no ppas. there are some 3rd party repositories but nothing official, and you're on your own when using those
11:40<TCW>randomguy, me as a debianer I have a hard time figuring out what a "ppa" actually is... could you please explain?
11:41<sney>TCW: it's a system for installing packages made by other users that are not actually in the OS tree
11:41<sney>licenses, coding practices, quality etc... all over the map
11:41<randomguy>TCW, dont know exactly. I am a archlinux fanboy.
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11:41<TCW>sney, same goes for unofficial debian repos all over the net... so where is the big difference?
11:43<randomguy>How do i manage daemons in debian?
11:43<TCW>randomguy, define "manage"
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11:43<randomguy>On archlinux I just have to add an entry to /etc/rc.conf file.
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11:43<TCW>randomguy, to do what?
11:43<sney>TCW: it's hosted by canonical and there's a tool built in to ubuntu to add them.
11:43<sney>randomguy: update-rc.d
11:44<Black_Prince>or insserv :-|
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11:44<sney>or insserv, yeah
11:44<TCW>sney, ahh... so software with less quality with an official touch, great! :)
11:44<sney>TCW: exactly.
11:44<randomguy>TCW, suppose a package xyz provides a daemon. Will I be able to not run it at boot while keeping it installed?
11:44<TCW>to be blunt... a crappy concept.
11:44<ansgar>They are however so popular that Debian might get (a different sort of) PPAs as well ;)
11:45<sney>randomguy: yep, read the man page for update-rc.d as it has several options
11:45<TCW>randomguy, yes... sure... if all fails you are the admin and can do whatever you want ;) but as said, update-rc.d or insserv are the tools you want.
11:46<sney>well, debian has alioth, so it's not out of the question that alioth projects with their own repos could have a tool to facilitate adding them... but I can't see it going further than that
11:46<Black_Prince>or use "insserv service" to enable service, or "insserv --remove service" to disable a service.
11:46<randomguy>Ok. I had a problem with bootchartd. That damn thing kept running at every boot even though i needed it only once. Had to uninstall it at last.
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11:50<chealer>patrickh: no
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11:54<abrotman>patrickh: you can see mozilla.debian.net if you want something newer
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11:57<patrickh>abrotman: that page is pretty cool
11:57<patrickh>is there a html5 enabled browser in debian without using backports?
11:58<abrotman>patrickh: IW 3.5 in squeeze does HTML5 ..
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11:59<patrickh>but the google +1's don't show up and does google plus work in it?
11:59<chealer>patrickh: HTML5 is not released yet
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11:59<abrotman>patrickh: i'm aware .. but it doesn't mean it doesn't support it .. it just may not work correctly
12:00<patrickh>yes okay sorry, it would be nice though if the whole google plus stuff will be going to work in stable without having to do anything special
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12:01<abrotman>patrickh: talk to google .. not us
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12:02<patrickh>nice answer, what do you think google will say?
12:02<patrickh>install chrome
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12:03<stealthboy>hi i am thinking of if i use debian can i have wine and ati open source drivers working for wine i need the most uptodate
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12:03<abrotman>patrickh: let's try that theory
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12:05<sney>stealthboy: I'm using wine and the ati open source driver. I haven't installed the most up to date wine because 1.1 is doing the job just fine, but it should still work.
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12:06<abrotman>patrickh: it does work with chromium in squeeze
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12:07<gruetzkopf>hey. i have x86 machine with lenny on it. I had the hard drive with lenny on it and it boots fine. i need it to configure network on boot (DHCP), instead of after gdm login
12:07<gruetzkopf>what shall i do?
12:07<sney>replace network-manager with something that isn't gui-dependent, like interfaces
12:07<patrickh>maybe i should go chrome, firefox is declining anyway :-P
12:07<sney>or wicd
12:08<patrickh>thanks for trying it out btw
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12:08<abrotman>patrickh: i'm using the stuff from mozilla.debian.net with plus .. works pretty well
12:09<abrotman>(i haven't tried opera, but that probably works also)
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12:09<patrickh>abrotman: i know i can install it, but it's just that i think it would be nice to have iceweasel working with the new hype out of the box
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12:10<abrotman>patrickh: well, website technologies change .. the browser hasn't :)
12:11<sney>makes me wonder how Debian is going to handle the new trend of fast browser version changes
12:11<patrickh>nice point
12:12<patrickh>in my opinion debian should just go along with it
12:12<patrickh>i think one can still be 'stable' when upgrading front end stuff
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12:15<ansgar>patrickh: Well, there are packages that depend on iceweasel's javascript libraries. As far as I know this already breaks with each new (major) iceweasel version...
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12:18<patrickh>ansgar: i really love debian, but every release there's something i hate about it ;-)
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12:20<lukasoft>i've been having issues with debian freezing; i'm using it as a home media server/workstation so i leave it on all day, so i'm not sure why its freezing. Are there any logs to check or anything?
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12:20<weedeater64>"go along with it" ? That is a horrible thought. One primary reasong for choosing Debian is *STABILITY!!*.
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12:27<jy>Hi, does anyone know of an online resource where you can just search the descriptions of ALL possible terminal commands for ready reference
12:28<valdyn>jy: google
12:28<bittin>jy, man ?
12:28<jy>heh
12:28<jy>as in a dedicated site...
12:28<valdyn>jy: im sure theres no single dedicated site
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12:29<valdyn>( even google is most certainly incomplete )
12:30<jy>hmmm.. that is the problem
12:30<jy>Something like this
12:30<jy>http://www.mynitor.com/2009/11/24/the-ultimate-linux-reference-guide-for-newbies/
12:30<valdyn>jy: it isnt, no one needs this
12:30<jy>but more complete
12:30<jy>really/
12:30<jy>?
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12:31<jy>I think it might be handy...
12:31<valdyn>jy: when you have an actual problem come back and ask that..
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12:31<weedeater64>jy: whatis
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12:32<valdyn>jy: you really need a way to solve a problem at hand, not a list of anything
12:32<jy>that's true...
12:33<jy>whatis is a cool tool thanks. :)
12:33<jy>I am sort of thinking of how we go to a library to pull something off the shelves.. a sort of "everything"
12:34<jy>anyway, thanks
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12:36<Squid>Hi Guys I have res-erected an old Etch stable system using an amd duron 700mhz processor. Is it capable of being upgraded to a later stable version or would it be better to start from scratch with new kit and squeeze.
12:36<jy>AHA! http://ss64.com/bash/
12:37<jy>cheerio
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12:38<grove>Squid: Upgrading shouldn't be impossible, but installing squeeze from scratch might be faster than doing etch->lenny->squeeze (and don't attempt to go directly)
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12:44<Squid>grove: Thanks, Its a scrap box project so will go the long way as suggested.
12:47<Rehnquist>i need some help... i need to apply a kernel patch, namely this one: http://patches.aircrack-ng.org/channel-negative-one-maxim.patch
12:47<Rehnquist>can someone please help?
12:47<Rehnquist>i have no idea how to go about it
12:48<abrotman>man patch
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12:48<abrotman>to be fair, that patch is small, you could do it manually with a text editor :)
12:48<lindi->abrotman: but that does not yet help him at adding the patch to the package
12:48<Rehnquist>how? :\
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12:49<abrotman>lindi-: which doesn't?
12:49<Squid>TTFN
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12:49<lindi->abrotman: man patch
12:49<abrotman>he didn't say anything about a package?
12:49<jhutchins_lt>Rehnquist: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+apply+a+kernel+patch
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12:50<lindi->abrotman: so you are suggesting him to get kernel from kernel.org?
12:50<Rehnquist>i've tried googling, i wouldn't ask if i weren't confused
12:51<Rehnquist>especially since i don't want to brick anything
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12:51<abrotman>lindi-: he just asked how to apply the patch .. he didn't say where he was getting his sources from
12:51<jhutchins_lt>Rehnquist: The first article listed above is How to Apply a Kernel Patch.
12:51<Rehnquist>if i do sudo patch -i filename?
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12:51<lindi->abrotman: yeah we need more information
12:51<lindi->Rehnquist: are you using a kernel from debian?
12:51<Rehnquist>yes
12:51<Rehnquist>wheezy
12:51<jhutchins_lt>Rehnquist: No need for sudo. Read the article above.
12:51<Rehnquist>ok
12:52<lindi->jhutchins_lt: does lmgtfy.com give the same results for everyone? ;)
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12:52<jhutchins_lt>lindi-: Theoretically.
12:53<jhutchins_lt>lindi-: In practice we know google does customize results, but I doubt it would change that one.
12:53<lindi->jhutchins_lt: I get advice on using 2.2.14
12:53<jhutchins_lt>lindi-: Do you think the process has changed?
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12:53<lindi->jhutchins_lt: the debian integration has
12:54<jhutchins_lt>2nd article is Kernel Hacking Chapter 9.
12:54<lindi->Rehnquist: the debian documentation is http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html
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12:54<lindi->Rehnquist: 4.2.3 Applying patches or configuration changes
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12:55<lindi->Rehnquist: but you might want to start from the main page http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/index.html#contents
12:55<Rehnquist>lindi-, now i have even less of an idea as to what i'm doing
12:55<lindi->Rehnquist: heh, some reading to do
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12:56<Rehnquist>i need to rebuild the kernel?
12:56<lindi->Rehnquist: that you can't avoid yes
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12:57<gsb>hello
12:57<bittin>hi
12:57<lindi->Rehnquist: the patche changes the source code. you need to compile the changed source code for it to have any effect
12:57<gsb>how do i stop google desktop from auto starting?
12:58<jhutchins_lt>Rehnquist: That's what patching the kernel means. You don't patch the binary, you patch the source and compile.
12:59<jhutchins_lt>Rehnquist: If it's something like php you can patch it directly.
12:59<Rehnquist>ah i see
12:59<Rehnquist>so if i follow the manual i should be safe, i take it
13:00<lindi->Rehnquist: sure, please free to ask for more info
13:00<lindi->+feel
13:00<jhutchins_lt>Rehnquist: Most real cracking requires knowing how the system is supposed to work normally, then modifying part of that normal operation to obtain the illicit access.
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13:05<gsb>someone please tell me how do i disable google desktop from auto starting?
13:06<devil>google desktop?
13:07<gsb>devil: yeah, in debian
13:07<devil>hm, cant find a package of that name
13:07<babilen>gsb: I wasn't aware that google desktop is in Debian. Which desktop environment/window manager do you use? How did you install it? How is it started now?
13:07<gsb>devil: its not in repos
13:08<devil>gsb: where is it from?
13:08<devil>uh, babilen is at it :)
13:08<babilen>gsb: Well, it might be that #debian is not the right channel in that case, but where is it from?
13:08<gsb>babilen: devil got it from http://desktop.google.com/linux/
13:09<babilen>404's here
13:09<devil>no, i get to it, its got .deb & rpm
13:09<gsb>babilen: opening on my side
13:09<yosh>works for me
13:09<babilen>Anyway, can you answer my earlier questions? But you should probably contact google (i.e. upstream) about that as we have no clue about that software.
13:09<devil>gsb: well, my guess is, not many here use it, so expertise might be hard to find
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13:10<devil>gsb: i even never heard of it. what does it do?
13:10<gsb>devil: babilen actually i am trying to find a common place to add/remove programs for autostarting
13:10<devil>gsb: that depends on your DE+
13:10<devil>DE even
13:11<babilen>gsb: Yes, please answer my earlier question as my answer depends on that. :)
13:11<jhutchins_lt>gsb: Debian packages put their documentation in /usr/share/docs - perhaps google does too.
13:11<gsb>babilen: i think i answered when i sent link
13:11<babilen>devil: IIRC it is a "search engine" for local files, much like tracker or beagle
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13:11<babilen>gsb: I was referring to: Which desktop environment/window manager do you use? How did you install it? How is it started now?
13:11<devil>babilen: oh, i gots lotsw of nepomuks and akionadis her for that already ;)
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13:12<gsb>babilen: how my mistake your one more question left unanswered
13:12<babilen>devil: yup, thats the idea
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13:12<babilen>heh
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13:13<jhutchins_lt>gsb: My guess would be that the documentation for the google package would be the best place to find out how to start/stop it.
13:13<devil>desktop environment of gsb seems to be a secret
13:13<devil>:
13:13<jhutchins_lt>babilen: Doesn't 404 for me.
13:13<babilen>jhutchins_lt: I guess it wants to set some cookies or execute some JS that I block. Anyway, no loss there ;)
13:13<gsb>babilen: i am using stock gnome on squeeze. installed .deb file of it. i don't know how is it starting everytime i log in. thats why i am trying to find out. there is no rc script even.
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13:14<jhutchins_lt>gsb: So dpkg -L <google package name> | grep doc
13:14<babilen>gsb: Ok, you should start Gnome's control center. There is a session setting something or autostart and it is probably enabled there.
13:14<babilen>gsb: Why don't you just purge that package though?
13:15<babilen>gsb: And I will try to flesh out the "somethings" in my earlier statement. One second :)
13:15<gsb>oh found it. start up application from preferencs menu can entry for it.
13:15<babilen>Yup, that is it.
13:15<gsb>babilen: yean i could uninstall it but i was curious what is the place from where it is starting.
13:15*babilen closes gnome-control-center
13:17<gsb>babilen: when u wrote about autostart. then it came to mind that there is one such tool under preferences
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13:17<gsb>babilen: thanks
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13:17<babilen>np
13:17<gsb>and i guess these autostart entries ultimately go in gconf-editor. right?
13:19<jhutchins_lt>gsb: Stuff that starts within X is usually configured within X rather than on a system level.
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13:19<gsb>jhutchins_lt: there must be some file from where "Startup Applications" in Preferences picking up entries
13:20<jhutchins_lt>gsb: Doesn't gnome use a binary registry?
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13:20*jhutchins_lt avoids gnome like the plague.
13:20<gsb>jhutchins_lt: i think its XML based
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13:21<chaos>hi
13:21<gsb>chaos: hello
13:22<chaosIrssi>http://pastebin.com/1hAxJ1sW <--
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13:24<chaosIrssi>trying to encrypt a device but it rather seg faults
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13:26<jhutchins_lt>chaosIrssi: Hope you've got a backup of the data.
13:26<chaosIrssi>it's an empty disk
13:27<chaosIrssi>i'm trying to encrypt it
13:27<gertt>Hi people. Could somebody explain me how to obtain a dhcp connection to internet ? I am on squeeze
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13:27<gsb>can someone tell me what backend does gnome's "startup application" tool use?
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13:31<jhutchins_lt>chaosIrssi: Perhaps dhclient <device>?
13:31<gertt>thanx trying
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13:32<chaosIrssi>dhclient?
13:32<gertt>err - bash: dhclient: command not found
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13:32<jhutchins_lt>gertt: maybe dhcpcd?
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13:33<chaosIrssi>jhutchins_lt: any idea why i can't encrypt it?
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13:33<jhutchins_lt>!tell gertt about networking
13:33<gertt><jhutchins_lt> what package should be installed to use dhcp?
13:33<jhutchins_lt>chaosIrssi: Sorry, I don't know squat about encrypted partitions.
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13:34<Rehnquist>lindi-, i got as far as 4.2.2 in the handbook, now i'm not sure how i should actually add the patch. it gives an example: $ bash debian/bin/test-patches ../fix-bug123456.patch ../add-foo-driver.patch but i have no idea what to do with this
13:34<jhutchins_lt>gertt: I would expect something to be installed by default.
13:34<chaosIrssi>gertt apt-cache search dhcpclient
13:34<chaosIrssi>or something :P
13:34<gertt>oh dhcPclient - OK
13:34<chaosIrssi>maybe it's dhclient
13:35<jhutchins_lt>gertt: isc-dhcp-client seems to be the default.
13:35<chaosIrssi>just apt-cache search it
13:35<gertt>empty with dhcpclient and dhclient
13:35<gertt><jhutchins_lt> thx trying
13:36<jhutchins_lt>gertt: dhcpcd is also available.
13:36<Rehnquist>bash debian/bin/test-patches
13:36<Rehnquist>whoops, not here
13:36<gertt><jhutchins_lt> - yes thx
13:36<gertt>installing
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13:37<gsb>can someone tell me what backend does gnome's "startup application" tool use?
13:38<gertt><jhutchins_lt> - isc-dhcp-client was alreayd there now dhccd as well
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13:39<jhutchins_lt>gertt: That's probably a bad thing.
13:39<jhutchins_lt>gertt: I should have mentioned that you need to be root to run dhclient.
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13:39<gertt>should I purge dhcpcd?
13:39<jhutchins_lt>gertt: Yes.
13:39<lindi->Rehnquist: aha
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13:39<jhutchins_lt>gertt: Then aptitude -f install to make sure dhclient is complete.
13:40<lindi->Rehnquist: simply download the patch you want to apply and put it to the parent directory
13:41<gertt><jhutchins_lt> - doing. could you tell me what d you mean by "make sure dhclient is complete"?
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13:42<gertt>reply: No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
13:43<Rehnquist>lindi-, parent directory?
13:43<gertt>#dhclient gives just silence
13:43<gertt>#dhcpclient command not found
13:44<jhutchins_lt>gertt: You could look at the manpage. There shouldn't be any output, but you do have to specify the interface (ie. eth0).
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13:45<jhutchins_lt>gertt: I don't rememver if the debian dhclient will default to the first interface, it may be running already and you may have your lease, you can look in the log files to see.
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13:55<chaos>is there any reason why lsof of anything should result in kernel errors?
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13:57<Jack_Johnson>hi, I've got a sid directory chroot on my wheezy system. Whatever command I run inside the chroot, I always get an error message like "E: Failed to change to directory ‘/home/abc’: No such file or directory" (where /home/abc is my cwd on the host). Any idea what's going on?
13:58<gertt><jhutchins_lt> you are right - the current connection is registered in dhclient.leases
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13:59<zeropiel>i
13:59<zeropiel>i'm running debian stable where the network has started to drop out
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14:03<abrotman>with an error?
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14:03<zeropiel>not that i am aware of
14:03<ubuleo>ciao a tutti
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14:05<gertt>ok I will try dhclient
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14:05<mercutio22>can someone remind me where or how can I find out where I can put my python source so I can execute it without having to type full paths? IIRC it is called the PATH environment variable.
14:06<abrotman>did you check man python ?
14:06<abrotman>there is a $PYTHONPATH
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14:09<mercutio22>abrotman: yes. But I was just learning that if I put executable, readable by everyone python source inside say /usr/local/bin then that would also let every user in the system execute this code
14:09<mercutio22>lemme teste that
14:09<mercutio22>brb
14:11<abrotman>yes .. that's true
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14:13<scinl>gertt: Welcome back
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14:13<gertt>thx
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14:15<gertt>jhutchins-lt it works as a charm! just #dhclient eth0
14:15<gertt>no #network-admin or smth else
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14:16<gertt>can i do it without # ?
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14:18<smil3y>hello, all. I want to build debian entirely from source, I've have an idea but I don't know how good it is: 1. debootstrap minimal (stable) base 2. chroot into it and build the packages included in the base with apt-build 3. copy the builded packages to apt-cache folder to be used in the next step 4. debootstarp again using to build again the base but with those packages (if debootstrap is looking for existing packages in the cahe at all) . So my question
14:18<smil3y>is: is that a good idea? maybe I should use different aproach?
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14:18<zeropiel>I'm starting to have problems with my network dropping sometimes
14:19<zeropiel>http://pastebin.com/m3bJXu3d
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14:19<abrotman>smil3y: why would you do that?
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14:19<abrotman>zeropiel: wired?
14:19<zeropiel>abrotman: yes
14:19<smil3y>to learn and because it 's open-source :)
14:19<abrotman>zeropiel: tried another cable?
14:19<abrotman>!apt-build
14:19<dpkg>methinks apt-build is an apt-get front-end for recompiling packages; http://julien.danjou.info/projects/ . Warning -- this program will not optimize your packages for you as advertised; the gcc O flags and friends that you specify are not even parsed properly. In a breath, don't bother with it, because apt-get source/build-dep is far more useful.
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14:20<zeropiel>abrotman: no. I happened now this evening and i rebooted and its fine. Like a windows
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14:20<zeropiel>eh - It happened ....
14:20<abrotman>try another cable ..
14:21<abrotman>network-manager thinks the link is going down ...
14:21<smil3y>so if I shouldn't use apt-build and build them bu hand is the described method fare enough?
14:22<zeropiel>abrotman: should it not fail consistently if it is the cable?
14:22<zeropiel>its only once in a while
14:24<smil3y>I've noticed that apt-build uses the flags that I've set but I don't know how if this is the right aproach to do what I'm looking for
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14:43<dispi>hi, I have been trying to install debian wheezy to lemote yeeloong with this guide http://wiki.debian.org/DebianYeeloong/HowTo/Install but when it installs the base system it says the following error: Debootstrap Error The following error occurred: The bzcat is not available on the system Check /var/log/syslog or see virtual console 4 for the details
14:43<dispi>what to do? and fyi i am a noob
14:44<dispi>ok read topic, should I ask this @ #debian-next?
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14:46<dispi>asked there too
14:47<ml|>dispi: IMHO, you should install stable[squeeze] then move to testing[wheezy] afterwords if that is what you want to do
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14:48<Jack_Johnson>do I have to set up my user account as root user inside a chroot in order to run iceweasel or something?
14:48<jonah79>Hello folk
14:48<jonah79>I'm a new Debian user
14:48<jonah79>Had enough of Ubuntu
14:48<jonah79>lol
14:48<smil3y>lol
14:49<jonah79>I used Ubuntu for years and once unity started to kick in
14:49<jonah79>I started switching between distros
14:49<jonah79>Namely Fedora, Linux Mint and LMDE
14:49<jonah79>And all of a sudden it hit me
14:50<smil3y>eventually everyone that used Ubuntu ended to Debian :)
14:50<jonah79>Why not go to pure debian
14:50<jonah79>Well LMDE was the final straw for me
14:50<jonah79>I like it a lot but due to being unstable
14:50<smil3y>never tried it myself but it's based on Debian so it should be good :)
14:50<jonah79>it kept changing my graphics card settings
14:51<babilen>dispi: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=633782
14:51<jonah79>with updates
14:51<jonah79>so I installed stable on this machine
14:51<jonah79>which is an old old P4 2.8Ghz machine
14:51<smil3y>isn't there LMDE version based on stable branch?
14:51<jonah79>and I have testing running on my newer laptop
14:52<jonah79>No LMDE is based on unstable
14:52<jonah79>Sid
14:52<jonah79>to be precise
14:52<babilen>dispi: Please note that there is a specific channel for wheezy/sid users/problems (#debian-next)
14:52<smil3y>ok, but I'm running pure unstable and I don't have problems with my nVidia drivers
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14:53<dispi>will move there
14:53<jonah79>I think it's due to the age of my card
14:53<jonah79>the current drivers used now will not support it
14:53<smil3y>install some old versions and see how it will go
14:53<jonah79>i have to use the 173.xx.xx
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14:53<jonah79>series
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14:54<smil3y>it depend on your video card
14:54<craigevil>jonah79, LMDE is based on testing not sid, anyway LMDE is offtopic
14:54<babilen>!nvidia dkms-173xx
14:54<dpkg>For Squeeze users (GeForce 5xxx / GeForce FX GPUs supported). Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
14:54<smil3y>I'm using the latest without any glitches
14:54<jonah79>I think you will find it's unstable
14:54<babilen>jonah79: ^^^^ that 173?
14:55<babilen>jonah79: If so that command should install and configure it, or do you have additional problems?
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14:55<jonah79>no I'm fine now thanks
14:55<jonah79>it was that problem though which led me here
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14:55<jonah79>I am a new from of the big D
14:55<jonah79>fan
14:55<babilen>jonah79: Alright, welcome to Debian in that case. If you still have/want to install the nvidia driver that would be the way to do it.
14:56<jonah79>I've done it
14:56<jonah79>:)
14:56<jonah79>i spent time figuring it out yesterday
14:56<mihau>Hello, anyone uses conky? Is it possible to split audacious_title to two lines?
14:56<mihau>does anyone use* :F
14:56<jonah79>My first experience with Debian was interesting
14:57<jonah79>First I downloaded the 1st disc of the install set
14:57<jonah79>CD that is
14:57<jonah79>And then I looked down the list and saw 40+ install cd's
14:57<jonah79>that scared me a bit
14:57<jonah79>:)
14:58<smil3y>:)
14:58<jonah79>and the install from disc 1 didn't give me wireless access
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14:58<jonah79>so I just downloaded the first DVD and I was good to go
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14:58<jonah79>The only things I needed to tweak in order to get working was the graphics card and grub
14:59<jonah79>Google was my friend yesterday
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14:59<smil3y>google is my best friend! lol
15:00<jonah79>The Linux community though is awesome
15:00<smil3y>if you are looking for something just ask him or the man pages politely :)
15:00<weedeater64>^
15:00<jonah79>Friends ask me why I stopped using windows in 2007
15:01<jonah79>and the community plays a big part
15:01<jonah79>of course I believe in free software
15:01<jonah79>and the GNU principles
15:01<jonah79>but the community is a big part for me too
15:02<smil3y>i live for the open-source, however when i say that I'm using Linux to my friends they look at me like I;m some kind of ghost!
15:02<jonah79>Open source is great too
15:02<jonah79>But my Linux Format magazine tells me that GNU and open source are not the same
15:02<jonah79>lol
15:03<babilen>jonah79: Two things ;) -- It would be wonderful if you could hit enter less often and use punctuation and I am curious how you installed the nvidia driver?
15:03<smil3y>Linux is open-source and it's free!
15:04<babilen>mihau: I use conky, but can not answer your question. There is a small #conky channel on irc.freenode.net though.
15:05<mihau>babilen, thanks.
15:06<meberhart>i hate being forced to use windows for certain apps and games...
15:06<jonah79>I installed nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx nvidia-xconfig via the terminal
15:07<babilen>jonah79: Ah, nvidia-xconfig might not have been necessary, as you can just rely on Xorg autoconfiguration + the snippet mentioned by dpkg above.
15:08<babilen>jonah79: But apart from that it looks as if you done everything right. Enjoy your squeeze box!
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15:09<jonah79>Thanks very much. :) I was also thrilled to see Libreoffice made available for Squeeze too.
15:11<smil3y>it's in backports
15:11<sead>Hi somebody can help me?
15:11<jonah79>Welcome sead! I'm sure someone here will be able to give you all the help you need. :)
15:11<babilen>sead: You have to convince us that you have a problem first. It would be best if you provide as much applicable information as possible.
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15:14<hpvincent>hi all, I'd like to compile alsa-drivers from git sources, I managed to do it from the 1.0.24 tarball release (with a configure script), but not from git sources, could someone help me ?
15:15<babilen>sead: What is your problem? What can we help you with?
15:15<sead>yes my PC is a Dell inspiron 1420 intel core duo 1 GB of ram optical drive intel pro wireless and more but when I want install Debian squeeze on y pc it shows me that debian need non free drivers (iwlwifi3945-1.ucode and iwlwifi3945-2.ucode)
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15:15<sead>wath can I do
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15:16<babilen>!tell sead -about iwlwifi firmware
15:17<gruetzkopf>!lenny->squeeze
15:17<abrotman>!tell gruetzkopf about lenny->squeeze
15:17<gruetzkopf>ahh that bug
15:17<babilen>sead: You need to install the package dpkg just told you about. If you have a working network connection right, just configure the contrib and non-free suite in your sources.list and install it.
15:18<meberhart>i just bought a new dlink router and it will not allow me to successfully forward any ports to my linux server. it works just fine on my old router and i have tried every way to open up the ports from the router's configuration page. any suggestions?
15:19<abrotman>ask dlink ?
15:21<meberhart>i didn't have any luck with asking dlink. they told me they could not provide any support since i am using linux... i find that hard to believe. should i try asking dlink again? it doesn't seem to be a known issue with this router, either.
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15:29<valdyn>meberhart: use windows and ask dlink
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15:30<meberhart>thanks... i'm not sure why i didn't think of that.
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15:32<lowbudgetlaptops>hello
15:32<smil3y>hello!
15:32<yosh>arlo
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15:44<sead>so how can I do it on mid debian instalation?
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15:45<Black_Prince>sead, if I understood you need firmware during installation?
15:45<dvs>sead: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
15:46<sead>yes because I want a graphical debian and not a text mode
15:46<Black_Prince>sead, http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Firmware_during_the_installation
15:46<sead>theanks
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15:47<Zathras_>Hi. How can I link to JARs in /usr/share/java when issuing a mvn clean install please?
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15:48<sead>it will result helpfull to me
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15:51<Zathras_>I am a bit amazed that this is no default behaviour
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16:12<mamadou>hey
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17:02<Vambo><- installed portaudio package but for all the googling ... can not find the name of the portaudio lib to modprobe. Anybody know?
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17:04<devil>N: Unable to locate package portaudio
17:05<Vambo>package is libportaudio2
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17:08<devil>Vambo: no /usr/share/doc/..?
17:08<Vambo>looikng...
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17:08<devil>should have a README
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17:09<Vambo>poop changelog and copyright no readme
17:09<Vambo>Something so simple....
17:10<Vambo>I would think google would have the modprobe command line
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17:16<devil>Vambo: sorry, cant help, never heard of the package
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17:17<Vambo>looks like it's dying too
17:17<devil>Vambo: does lsmod show anything that resembles that package?
17:17<Bushmills>"a lib to modprobe"? a
17:17<devil>well, not a lib...
17:18<Vambo>devil, nope
17:18<devil>they seldomly get modprobed :)
17:18<Vambo>was expecting apt-get to install it but
17:18<Vambo>ic
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17:18<devil>Vambo: is there an manpage?
17:18<devil>n
17:18<Bushmills>that's maybe why google has nothing about one
17:18<devil>:)
17:18<devil>possibly
17:19<Vambo>heh no man page
17:19*Vambo looks at pulseaudio
17:19<devil>but i am watching a boxfight, so not googling, me
17:19<Bushmills>apt-file list libaudio2
17:19<Bushmills>though libaudio has a lot more files
17:20<Bushmills>portaudio ...
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17:41<jhutchins_lt>Vambo: dpkg -L portaudio?
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17:43<lindi->Vambo: what are you trying to do?
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17:45<Vambo>lindi-, run fldigi
17:46<lindi->Vambo: uh, looks exotic
17:46<Vambo>jhutchins, not installed
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17:47<Vambo>FLDigi says it can handle Pulse audio I'll try that
17:49<Vambo>other problem too is I'm running 3 audio cards but those are all showing up in the kernal so I think I'm good there :-)
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17:57<reebooot>anyone know anything about getting a steelseries usb soundcard to work in deb?
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17:59<lindi->reebooot: lsusb -vvv?
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18:01<reebooot>says C-Media
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18:01<lindi->reebooot: can you put all of it online?
18:02<reebooot>hm which part? I'd be flodding lol it's a huge page, I echo'd into a txt
18:02<reebooot>wait I can toss it on dropbox
18:03<lindi->reebooot: http://paste.debian.net
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18:04<reebooot>http://db.tt/CCdnPMO
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18:04<reebooot>it's a fresh install, just installed it today on a new hdd
18:04<reebooot>I've had it working before, I forget what got it working
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18:10<reebooot>hm I found something about oss4
18:10<lindi->reebooot: that looks like a standard USB sound device yes
18:11<lindi->reebooot: just plug it in
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18:11<reebooot>oh shit got it to play
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18:11<reebooot>osstest is playing music
18:12<lindi->reebooot: osstest?
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18:12<reebooot>yeah part of oss4 packages
18:13<reebooot>hm can't get sound from youtube yet
18:13<reebooot>but sound is coming through from osstest
18:13<lindi->reebooot: what desktop environment are you using?
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18:14<reebooot>openbox+tint2
18:15<lindi->ok, I know nothing about how that handles pulseaudio and/or audio device selection
18:15<reebooot>pretty much like xfce4 I think lol, trying a new desktop env, been using kde4 for ages
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18:20<reebooot>hm dev/dsp is properly linked, same as /dev/mixer, hm can't see anything else
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18:22<lindi->reebooot: I also haven't used OSS for ages
18:22<reebooot>yeah nor have I, finding an answer for this particular device is a pain
18:22<reebooot>alsa doesn't like it
18:23<lindi->reebooot: doesn't like it?
18:23<reebooot>says no soundcard
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18:24<lindi->reebooot: well you have the oss stuff loaded to the kernel?
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18:26<reebooot>yeah it found it and osstest plays music through it, so I got that far
18:26<reebooot>guess I'll keep digging after my dinner
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18:29<lith_>anyinw
18:30<lith_>anyone us wicd? config help
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18:36<lith_>kk i'll try somewhere else
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18:40<Bushmills>there they will probably know exactly how to help you, by guessing more appropriately
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18:40<Bushmills>try #clairvoyants
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18:42<mattmatteh>i tried to suspend to ram and i could only find 'suspend' in a log out menu. not sure what that is. but i tried it, the first time it worked perfectly. then i tried it again some time later, now it suspends fine and immediatly wakes. what can i do to get suspend to ram working ?
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18:46<valdyn>mattmatteh: you say its working, whats the actual problem?
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18:47<lindi->valdyn: that it immediately wakes up
18:47<valdyn>lindi-: i see
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18:48<lindi->mattmatteh: what hardware is that?
18:48<mattmatteh>lindi-: amd64 k8
18:49<lindi->mattmatteh: does it always wake up immediately now?
18:49<mattmatteh>yes
18:51<lindi->mattmatteh: can you put the contents of /proc/acpi/wakeup online?
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18:52<mattmatteh>lindi-: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/440417/
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18:56<lindi->mattmatteh: hmmhmm
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18:56<lindi->mattmatteh: it would help if we would know what causes it to wake up :)
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18:57<mattmatteh>lindi-: i have no idea either
18:57<lindi->mattmatteh: can you stop X and try suspending manually?
18:57<mattmatteh>i was googling and it was suggested it could be usb
18:57<mattmatteh>ok one moment
18:57<lindi->mattmatteh: "sudo pm-suspend"
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18:57<lindi->mattmatteh: yes disconnect extra usb devices
18:58<lindi->google also suggests usbcore.autosuspend=-1 option
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18:59<lindi->mattmatteh: and yes, you should try removing all the usb modules too. do you know how to do that with rmmod?
18:59<mattmatteh>unplugged usb and that didnt do much
19:00<mattmatteh>logged out and tried to suspend from the x login window
19:00<mattmatteh>how do i stop X and try from console ?
19:00<lindi->mattmatteh: are you familiar with using the command line?
19:00<mattmatteh>yes
19:00<lindi->mattmatteh: are you using gnome?
19:00*mattmatteh has used gentoo since 2004
19:01<mattmatteh>looks like gnome
19:01<lindi->mattmatteh: ok. then ctrl-alt-f1 and login and sudo /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop
19:02<mattmatteh>still woke
19:02<lindi->mattmatteh: try removing all the usb related modules then?
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19:02<mattmatteh>i think it went to sleep and woke, the lcd says its going to sleep, and then the light comes back on right away
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19:03<mattmatteh>all usb disconnceted
19:03<mattmatteh>ps2 keyboard plugged in
19:03<lindi->mattmatteh: ok but does lsusb still list usb stuff?
19:03<mattmatteh>there are nfs mounts, but they were mounted before when it worked
19:03<lindi->mattmatteh: not lsusb, I mean lsmod
19:03<mattmatteh>4 root hubs listed, i think those are on the main baord ?
19:04<lindi->lsmod | grep hcd
19:04<mattmatteh>ohci, ehci, usbcore
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19:04<lindi->mattmatteh: yeah, try using rmmod to remove those
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19:04<mattmatteh>:O
19:05<mattmatteh>that did it
19:05<mattmatteh>!!!
19:05<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
19:05<mattmatteh>:-D
19:05<mattmatteh>but do i need to sudo to remove modules each time ?
19:05<lindi->mattmatteh: ok
19:05<lindi->mattmatteh: now try booting with the usbcore.autosuspend=-1 option
19:05<mattmatteh>where do i set that ?
19:05<mattmatteh>or how do i set that ?
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19:06<lindi->mattmatteh: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" in /etc/default/grub
19:06<lindi->mattmatteh: and then sudo update-grub
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19:06<mattmatteh>lindi-: will that effect other OS's ?
19:07<mattmatteh>maybe that is needed for gentoo too ?
19:07<lindi->mattmatteh: depends on how you have configured your boot
19:07<lindi->mattmatteh: you have gentoo and debian? something else too?
19:07<mattmatteh>i let debian manage all
19:07<mattmatteh>fedora
19:07<mattmatteh>just those 3 at the moment
19:07<mattmatteh>and bsd
19:08<lindi->mattmatteh: I think it won't affect the other OSes
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19:09<lindi->mattmatteh: please upload /boot/grub/grub.cfg after you have done the changes
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19:10<mattmatteh>lindi-: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/440430
19:12<mattmatteh>should i reboot ?
19:12<lindi->gpt partition tables, scary :)
19:12<mattmatteh>why is that ?
19:13<mattmatteh>and that was redundant :P the pt is partition table
19:13<lindi->mattmatteh: looks safe
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19:15<mattmatteh>ok first time suspended ok
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19:15<cliworksbetter>how can I know the inode number a given file/folder is occupying in my filesystem? Moreover, how can those sectors containing such inode be accessed (by number) ?
19:16<mattmatteh>any idea why that only says suspend, shouldnt that say suspend to ram and suspend to disk ?
19:17<lindi->cliworksbetter: ls -i lists it
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19:18<lindi->cliworksbetter: the second question depends on the filesystem
19:18<cliworksbetter>lindi-: ext2
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19:25<lindi->the debugfs tool can do it I think
19:27<Bushmills>cliworksbetter: stat file
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20:35<Latino>hi, I'm trying to work with this issue http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/issues/detail?id=1138 idk how to use ldconfig to fix this
20:35<Latino>http://paste.pocoo.org/show/440468/
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20:47<angasule>wtf? why is chromium spamming me?
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21:02<jyre>blah
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21:25<miguel>hola
21:25<Latino>o/
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21:26<miguel>como estas
21:26<Latino>bien y vos? tratando de areglar unas libraries depencecias
21:26<abrotman>!es
21:26<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
21:26<Latino>:P
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21:28<Latino>http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/issues/detail?id=1138
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21:44<lotus-blade>is there an easy way to get a 2 vid card system to work?
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21:45<compgrokker>lotus-blade: define 'easy'
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21:54<abrotman>did you ask #xorg on freenode?
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21:57<lotus-blade>gui tool? lol. this multiple screens need is killing me.
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22:02<Jenni_>hey guys, i'm having a problem with the automatic display sleeping
22:03<Jenni_>specifically, the display goes to sleep after a few minutes even though i told it not to
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22:18<Jenni_>okay...
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22:20<maro>i am having trouble downloading anything on my ubuntu 11.04 OS. It seems a previous installation/upgrade was incompleted somewhere along the line to have caused this. Not 100% sure though. phton-apt, python-apt-common came up as a reason why i am unabe to download new programs. Is this the right place to ask for this kind of help?
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22:21<Jenni_>what happens when you run apt-get check?
22:21<aggelos>hello
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22:24<maro>it appears to be normal. i am getting a list of options etc.
22:24<Jenni_>apt-get, or apt-get check
22:25<Jenni_>sorry, i probably wasn't clear
22:25<maro>apt-get
22:25<Jenni_>do "apt-get check" and see what it says
22:25<babilen>!ubuntuirc maro
22:25<dpkg>maro: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
22:25<Jenni_>...well that's just charming
22:26<maro>i got "could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open
22:26<maro>and
22:26<aggelos>stuck
22:26<maro>unable to lock the administration directory
22:26<Jenni_>have you tried rebooting?
22:26<maro>oh yes.
22:27<babilen>Jenni_, maro: If you are using Ubuntu it would be very much appreciated if you could head over to #ubuntu on freenode. Thank you! :)
22:27<Jenni_>hm
22:27<Jenni_>i'm using debian
22:27<babilen>Alright :)
22:27<Jenni_>i was hoping someone could help me with my screen turning itself off
22:27<maro>seems something got redundant or so along the way due to a late upgrade of programs or such.
22:27<TCW>Jenni_, don't encourage ubuntu folks to come here to ask for help...
22:27<Jenni_>come on man, where's your open-source spirit?
22:28<TCW>sooner or later something *bad* will happen then otherwise :)
22:28<Jenni_>: \
22:28<TCW>Jenni_, that has nothing to do with it, believe me.
22:28<maro>TCW: what does that mean?
22:28<Jenni_>alright maro, i guess you'll have to ask the ubuntu dudes for help
22:28<maro>i am pretty much new to al of this
22:28<maro>Jenni_: thank you :) very kind of you to try to help me.
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22:29<Jenni_>tcw and babilen, do either of you have any advice?
22:30<TCW>Jenni_, regardring?
22:30<Jenni_>i've gone into the Power Management window and set the display to never sleep, but it still sleeps after 10 minutes of inactivity
22:30<TCW>Jenni_, gnome?
22:30<Jenni_>yeah
22:30<TCW>Jenni_, does it go blank or turn to standby imediately?
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22:31<Jenni_>screen goes blank, but the computer's still running
22:31<TCW>Jenni_, just talking about the display here ;)
22:31<Jenni_>ah
22:31<TCW>Jenni_, see the screensaver options
22:31<Jenni_>it goes blank but it still on
22:31<Jenni_>oh...
22:31<Jenni_>lol there we go
22:32<Jenni_>much appreciated
22:32<TCW>screensaver and energy savings are two seperate things wichi are "loosly" integrated in each other (same as on windows :p)
22:32<Jenni_>yeah, the blank screen kinda threw me off
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22:33<aggelos>i wonder who had the idea of a blank screensaver
22:33<Jenni_>possibly not the best default
22:33<aggelos>must be an wwf activist :P
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22:34<Jenni_>alright, cheers guys
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22:35<TCW>aggelos, why not?
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22:36<aggelos>tcw well a little msg on the left or right corner would be helpfull
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22:36<TCW>aggelos, helpful for what?
22:36<aggelos>“this is a screensaver and your monitor is not broken”
22:37<maro>the very few people in the uuntu channel are seemingly asleep. Which other channel can you guys suggest?
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22:38<TCW>maro, as an ubuntu user I guess you will have more luck on ubuntuforums.com and not irc
22:38<aggelos>maro i guess some program is holding the lock on package manager
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22:38<aggelos>try to close running apps on sys tray
22:39<maro>aggelos: i did. But i still get the same message.
22:39<maro>TCW: thanks
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22:39<aggelos>maro try to kill X and run the apt-get in console
22:39<aggelos>ctrl+alt+backspace ?
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22:42<maro>aggelos: what does that command do? upon attempting to click them nothing happens.
22:43<maro>runnign apt-get returns a normal responce. but runnign apt-get check apt-get check
22:43<TCW>aggelos, you did notice this guy does use ubuntu?
22:44<maro>running apt-get returns a normal response. but running apt-get check returns the message: could not open lock file and aunable to lock the admin directory
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22:45<aggelos>tcw yes but i guess ctrl+alt+backspace is not a proprietry debian key secret code :)
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22:46<maro>TCW: what is so bad about people attempting to offer me help?
22:47<aggelos>maro do a psaxuf|grep apt
22:47<aggelos>and kill any apt-get instances
22:47<maro>ok
22:47<aggelos>killall apt
22:47<aggelos>killall apt-get
22:48<abrotman>wtf
22:48<maro>it returned: no process found
22:49<TCW>maro, this is a debian channel and we had lots of trouble with folks using ubuntu but they did say they are on debian just to get help. In the end it was an ubuntu bug, some speciality of ubuntu which we could not know of. That just sucks! Second, if an ubuntu guy gets help here, he will spread the word and more will come...
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22:50<aggelos>tcw maybe they will convert to debian ;)
22:50<Latino>amen
22:51<maro>First, i am a girl. non of my friends use ubuntu so there is no chance of any of the being interested in getting help from this channel. AND I didnt lie about my OS.
22:51<abrotman>okay, could we stop the ubuntu chatter? take it to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net ..
22:51<aggelos>maro cd /var/lib/dpkg/
22:51<aggelos>ls -la
22:51<aggelos>is there a lock file?
22:51<abrotman>aggelos: we do NOT support ubuntu here
22:51<TCW>aggelos, 1.) I am not sure we want that 2.) see, it is a girl... go on in a private chat if you wish...
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22:52<aggelos>abrotman i just have a conversation with a fellow linux user
22:52<aggelos>do you support apt package manager?
22:53<abrotman>we do NOT support ubuntu .. end of discussion
22:53<abrotman>if you want to support maro, do it somewhere else
22:53<aggelos>everything i said had to do with apt.not ubuntu
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22:53<Latino>ohshi
22:53-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@ppp-94-69-247-232.home.otenet.gr] by abrotman
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22:53<abrotman>aggelos: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic. Please take Ubuntu support to #ubuntu on freenode.
22:54<TCW>or a private chat :)
22:54<maro>TCW: and abrotman the last time i was in a IRC room the folks there were so supportive and thoughtful that they convinced me to use ubuntu. i did. AND most importantly they otld me that a linux community is open source and always helpful. live up to that image OR no need to be rude.
22:54<TCW>maro, mind if I talk to you in private?
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22:56<maro>TCW: why?
22:56<amakusa>a question, I'm trying to create a video DVD with brasero but it does not let me, it displays a message that says "please insert a supported CD/DVD" but the DVD is fine, any clues???
22:56<Latino>do you have two cd/dvd trays?
22:56<TCW>maro, to get that offtopic talk OFF this channel... I want to explain you why we are so damn hard on ubuntu users when it comes to supporting there systems.
22:57<abrotman>maro: There are dozens of Debian-based distros in the linux world ... #debian cannot possibly know all of their differences and does not have the resources to support them. It is a standing policy that we do not support anything other than Debian in this channel. Please understand and respect that. Advice we give you for Debian could destroy your Ubuntu system.
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22:57<Latino>" Advice we give you for Debian could destroy your Ubuntu system." k, that's very true
22:57<abrotman>maro: the #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net has over almost 1400 people .. i doubt it's a dead channel
22:58<abrotman>the #ubuntu on this server is almost empty
22:58<TCW>1400 peeps?! wtf?!
22:58<amakusa>Latino: nope, only one
22:58<maro>i am in there now. i am the fifth user.
22:58<Latino>um, /server irc.freenode.net
22:58<abrotman>maro: /server irc.freenode.net .. then /join #ubuntu
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23:00<maro>it doesn't matter. you guys were were pretty mean.
23:00<maro>bye
23:00<abrotman>have a good night
23:00<Latino>XD
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23:01<Latino>hopefully she didn't paste /server irc.freenode.net in the console, lol
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---Logclosed Sun Jul 17 00:00:01 2011