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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-07-17

---Logopened Sun Jul 17 00:00:01 2011
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00:38<dh123>hello,eveybody.
00:39<dh123>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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01:23<owen1>i want to setup a file server and access the files from a browser. what package/solution should I use?
01:25<Latino>I use vsftpd *shurgs*
01:25<sney>or apache and something like horde
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01:35<owen1>Latino:(i did some gooogling) vsftpd + Webmin for the browser access?
01:36<Latino>web browser, or file browser?
01:37<Latino>I can ftp it with a file browser
01:37<owen1>Latino: i want to be able to open a web browser when i am not home
01:37-!-as [~as@ip-46-73-237-171.bb.netbynet.ru] has joined #debian
01:37<Latino>( I do have apache, tho)
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01:37<owen1>Latino: and download the files from my server
01:37<supaplex>ssh/sftp ftw (wfm)
01:37<Latino>you should use vstfpd then use filezilla
01:38<Latino>still, filazilla for ssh
01:38<Latino>!google filezilla portable
01:38<owen1>Latino: i want a non-technical user with browser to download a few files from my server. just making sure I was clear.
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01:40<Latino>then you don't need a ftp server. you need a web server
01:40<gertt>hi people I have a very basic question maybe smb would be willing to help. I want to connect my debian box (squeeze) to the Internet. I know the necessary numbers like addresses of the DNS servers etc. what should I do?
01:41<Latino>it would be easier for the user to use http:// than ftp://
01:42<supaplex>http is more firewall friendly (users behind NAT)
01:42<Latino>gertt wire[d|less]?
01:43<gertt>wired adsl
01:43<Latino>you're using a router>
01:44<Latino>http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
01:44<gertt>i use a modem with 4 eth plugs
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01:45<Latino>auto eth0
01:45<Latino> iface eth0 inet dhcp
01:45<owen1>Latino: ok. i'll look for a webserver. but a webserver is not enought. i need a simple app that runs on it and let my user download a few files i put in a dir.
01:45<Latino>in /etc/network/interfaces should do it
01:46<gluesniffmonkey>Problem with gnome. gnome panels appear to be off screen
01:47<gluesniffmonkey>I am using an acer aspire zg1
01:48<gluesniffmonkey>aa1 zg5 I mean.
01:48<Latino>owen1, I'm just trying to help and that's how *I* would do it with the knowldge I have. I'm sure someone else might offer a way better solution
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01:48<owen1>Latino: got it. thanks a lot
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01:50<gluesniffmonkey>The background is also 'over sized'.
01:50<gertt><Latino> I know now how to make the dhcp work. My question is a bit different. I do not want to use a protocol which seeks for available connections. Assume I know the numbers. what do I do then? (iface is not known to my box)
01:51<gertt>oh it seems the web page giiives the answer
01:51<gertt>1 sec
01:51<Latino>static?
01:52<owen1>Latino: this works: python -c 'import SimpleHTTPServer;SimpleHTTPServer.test()'
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01:52<gertt>yes
01:52<owen1>1 liner webserver
01:52<Latino>gernot, then yeah http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Configuring_the_interface_manually
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01:54<Latino>oh cool
01:55<Latino>awesome
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01:57<owen1>python -m SimpleHTTPServer (for python2)
01:57<gertt>Lation oh i see 'iface" is not a command :)
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02:01<Latino>kinda creepy a regular user can run it, tho
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02:19<fborges22>hello?
02:19<fborges22>anyone here?
02:20<zeref>h
02:20<fborges22>h?
02:20<zeref>soz, *hi :P
02:20<fborges22>hello :)
02:21<zeref>early in the morning
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02:21<fborges22>i wake up too early
02:22<zeref>o0o0
02:22<fborges22>where are you from?
02:22<zeref>RSA
02:22<zeref>u?
02:22<fborges22>from sao paulo in bra
02:22<zeref>win
02:23<fborges22>here is GMT-3
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02:23<zeref>go to sleep :-)
02:23<omg_onoez>i have to fsck mounted ext4, is it a bad and dangerous idea?
02:23<fborges22>i think that is a good ideia
02:23<fborges22>well i am going
02:23<fborges22>bye
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02:24<omg_onoez>but it says that if i continue i "...***WILL***
02:24<omg_onoez>cause ***SEVERE*** filesystem damage."
02:25<omg_onoez>and i've shit my pants and decided to ask you first =)
02:25<zeref>if your / is on the ext4 then yes
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02:26<omg_onoez>talking of /home
02:26<zeref>yes
02:26<omg_onoez>but there is no way i can umount it
02:26<zeref>nah
02:27<omg_onoez>it is truecrypt partition mounted on boot
02:27<zeref>you dont need to run fsck
02:27<zeref>unless system crash or powerloss
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02:27<zeref>but then then its auto run when you boot up
02:27<omg_onoez>it happened several times
02:27<omg_onoez>and i can't start it on boot
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02:28<zeref>hmmmm
02:29<omg_onoez>its encrypted and system won't determine it
02:29<omg_onoez>i mean i need to run it only while it is mounted
02:31<zeref>hmmm
02:31<zeref>i think is your using trucrypt
02:31<zeref>you have to boot from liveCD
02:31<omg_onoez>and?
02:31<zeref>then fsck the disk from there
02:31<omg_onoez>:/
02:32<omg_onoez>encrypted partition doesn't contain the proper partition table
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02:32<omg_onoez>until it is mounted
02:32<omg_onoez>i still have to mount it in order to make it visible as a correct ext4 partition for system
02:33<zeref>k, when you mount it, find out where its located
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02:33<anarchy>nickname
02:33<omg_onoez>i know it )
02:33<omg_onoez>/dev/mapper/truecrypt1
02:34<omg_onoez>but its kinda virtual stuff
02:34<zeref>thats fine
02:34<anarchy>hey, I'm super new to operating a terminal, can someone point me to a good tutorial for basic commands and what not?
02:34<zeref>when you run off liveCD, fsck /dev/mapper/truecrypt
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02:34<omg_onoez>after i will umount it /dev/mapper/truecrypt1 will disappear lol
02:35<zeref>nah, fsck will finds it
02:36<omg_onoez>physically it is located at /dev/sda3
02:36<omg_onoez>lol it won't find it
02:36<omg_onoez>but /dev/sda3 doesn't contain the proper partition table
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02:37<omg_onoez>so i can make it visible for system only after mounting it with truecrypt
02:37<zeref>anarchy: http://www.unixguide.net/linux/linuxshortcuts.shtml
02:37<omg_onoez>"/
02:37<zeref>o0o0
02:37<omg_onoez>and how do u think, where does it lead?
02:37<anarchy>thanks zeref!!
02:38<omg_onoez>i mean /dev/mapper/truecrypt1 ? =)
02:38<omg_onoez>nevermind
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05:12<EmleyMoor>If I intend to dd something to a USB stick, does it need to be "cleared" first?
05:14<cahoot>doesn't dd act as windows, i e without any concern to present inhabitants?
05:14<Bushmills>what kind of concern?
05:15<EmleyMoor>I thought it did... so when a site says "an empty USB stick", it really means one without wanted content?
05:15<EmleyMoor>(actually, the contents of the stick in question are the earlier version of the same thing)
05:16<Bushmills>dd doesn't know about stick "empty" or not. that judgement requires knowledge of structure of data on a device, i.e. a knowledge of the file system used.
05:17*EmleyMoor is experimenting with ext4 conversion and wondering if grml can be used to do it - hence updating a stick
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05:21<EmleyMoor>(I converted my sid VM using its own contents - going to try using grml to do my wheezy VM, then probably my laptop...)
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05:47<kuka77>hi!
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05:57<Osiris_X>hi!
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06:14<TobiX>Hi!
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06:16<TobiX>It seems OpenJDK crypto stuff got broken by MultiArch transistions. Should I file a bugreport against openjdk-6-jre-lib or will that get fixed automatically?
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06:17<Osiris_X>TobiX: maybe ask in #debian-java
06:18<TobiX>Oh. Looked at the wrong package, #632794 already tracks this. Never mind :)
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06:26<opalepatrick>bee trying to get iceweasel 5.0 but get a 404 so it cant get it. Has it been moved from backports?
06:26<opalepatrick> squeeze-backports iceweasel-5.0
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06:30<babilen>opalepatrick: Take a look at http://mozilla.debian.org
06:30<babilen>s/org/net
06:30<babilen>:-\
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06:33<opalepatrick>the dropdown on that one babilen only goes up to 3.6
06:34<babilen>opalepatrick: it does not, there are some others ;) -- http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2115 -- you probably want the released versions, but you have to decide that yourself.
06:35<opalepatrick>Thanks babilen, yeah you are right :-) thanks for that link
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06:37<babilen>np :)
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06:37<vipinb>Hi ALL
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06:39<vipinb>Is there anyway to c install GRUB2 and linux environment. Mean I can install Grub2 using grub-install after that i want to boot a kernal and form a $ prompt
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06:39<cahoot>you want a plain non-gui env?
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06:40<cahoot>if so - yes
06:41<vipinb>yes
06:41<vipinb>cahoot : yes
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06:41<cahoot>the answer to your question is: yes
06:42<vipinb>cahoot: how can i do that.. can you help me with some link..
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06:42<cahoot>instll debian, probalby via expert mode, do not choose any desktop env or xorg
06:42<PerfDave>vipinb: Just install Debian, and don't select "graphical environment" in the installer.
06:43<cahoot>no expert mode needed I guess
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06:43<PerfDave>Most installer CDs will select "graphical environment" by default so you'll need to deselect it.
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06:44<vipinb>perfDave:Ok
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06:45<vipinb>perfDave:If I want to manually do this without using a installer. Means like I required a root,boot , etc folder.. Is there anyway to config this manually.
06:46<PerfDave>vipinb: You want to install Debian on something... without using an installer? Perhaps you can elucidate more precisely what you're trying to achieve.
06:46<PerfDave>What are you trying to install on? Physical hardware? A virtual machine? Setting up a chroot?
06:47<opalepatrick>babilen. Thanks, sorted now. Should have paid a bit more attention to the full repo addresses on the first link :-)
06:48<vipinb>PerfDave: I have debian installed in my Virtualbox.. I created a VirtualDisk and formated with ext4. After doing this i installed grub2 loader.. I tried to copied the files from the debian installed machine to this new. But not working..
06:49<PerfDave>vipinb: OK, so you've got a VM that's already running Debian, and you're trying to clone it? Does Virtualbox not give you tools for doing that?
06:49<vipinb>PerfDave: At this case what all thing need to be copied to setup a environment..
06:49<PerfDave>vipinb: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to do.
06:51<babilen>opalepatrick: Great :)
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06:51<PerfDave>vipinb: To check, do you already have a virtual machine in Virtualbox running Debian?
06:51<vipinb>PerfDave: I'm just try to understand what all minimum thing required for shell to setup manually..
06:52<petemc>vipinb: you could look at debootstrap to see what it does
06:52<vipinb>PerfDave: without using tool can i do this manually from existing installation
06:52<PerfDave>vipinb: In that case go and read Linux From Scratch or From Boot Prompt To Bash Prompt :)
06:52<lindi->valdyn: can't you just clone the disk image?
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06:53<vipinb>perfDave: Can you Please give me some link, which will be related to debian
06:53<PerfDave>vipinb: What you're asking isn't related to Debian.
06:54<PerfDave>vipinb: It would help if you could actually tell us what you're trying to do and why.
06:54<PerfDave>Because generally copying arbitrary files from a working install to an empty disk image isn't a great idea for all sorts of reasons.
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06:55<PerfDave>Q: I'm running Debian 6.0.2 on a laptop with a USB wifi stick, with rt2800usb driver. I've installed firmware-ralink. I've got network-manager and I'm running nm-applet (gnome) on LXDE. It looks like n-m isn't scanning for networks - any idea why? http://pastebin.com/pbv0117G
06:56<vipinb>perfDave: I'm just try to understand.. After the GRUB2 boot what and all happened and what all required to form a shell prompt.. So that I can understand linux internal. In theory I know it invoke a init script. but i want to do this manually
06:56<PerfDave>vipinb: OK, that's not related to Debian. The documents I mentioned before will help you understand that.
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06:58<vipinb>PerfDave: Thanks. I will try to search on it..
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07:09<HelpNeeded>good morning, could anyone help me?
07:10<lapfrog>no.
07:11<HelpNeeded>so sad
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07:11<cahoot>!ask
07:11<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
07:12<HelpNeeded>ty
07:12<lapfrog>help us help you help us all
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07:14<HelpNeeded>I'm trying to install debian squeeze on a ps3 trough a netinstall and it goes ok till the point it checks for my hard disk but fails to do so, tried using scsi drivers, ide drivers and ps3disk with no success. Keeps saying disk drive not found. TY in advance
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07:16<PerfDave>HelpNeeded: You might want to check #debian-ps3 on OFTC
07:16<daemonkeeper>This is OFTC.
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07:17<HelpNeeded>ty anyway perf
07:17<PerfDave>daemonkeeper: This is Sparta!
07:17<daemonkeeper>That too.
07:18<yosh>This is madness ._.
07:20<lapfrog>guys any idea why dns is so slow whenever i do a fresh install of debian?
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07:20<lapfrog>same machine + windows = works fine
07:21<PerfDave>"why DNS is so slow?"
07:21<PerfDave>What do you mean by that?
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07:25<PerfDave>Q: I'm running Debian 6.0.2 on a laptop with a USB wifi stick, with rt2800usb driver. I've installed firmware-ralink. I've got network-manager and I'm running nm-applet (gnome) on LXDE. It looks like n-m isn't scanning for networks - any idea why? http://pastebin.com/pbv0117G
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07:27<lapfrog>blah nevermind
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07:31<TobiX>PerfDave: That one? "148f:3070 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2870 Wireless Adapter"
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07:32<PerfDave>TobiX: Different device, same driver - mine's a Gigabyte-branded one that shows up as "Chu Yuen Enterprise Co., Ltd CN-WB32L 802.11n USB WLAN card"
07:35<TobiX>Does "iwlist scan" give any output?
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07:36<TobiX>Or "iw dev wlan0 scan" - Can't remember which is the right tool for the job ;)
07:36<PerfDave>TobiX: "wlan0 No scan results"
07:37<PerfDave>I know there's a wireless network here, because the laptop I'm typing on uses it ;)
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07:37<TobiX>PerfDave: Does it work if you add that network by hand to network manager?
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07:38<SynrG>http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta
07:38<SynrG>needs firmware-ralink and you need to use the rt2870sta driver, not rt2800usb
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07:40<PerfDave>TobiX: I'm trying with cnetworkmanager now
07:40<SynrG>PerfDave: ^^
07:40<SynrG>changing frontends won't help
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07:41<SynrG>you can't use rt2800usb with this device in squeeze. that's for wheezy.
07:41<PerfDave>SynrG: I'm doing what TobiX suggested I do.
07:41<TobiX>SynrG: Shouldn't those drivers have been merged... Meh...
07:41<SynrG>PerfDave: but read the page above. you are using the wrong driver. that changes everything
07:41<PerfDave>SynrG: Well, rt2800usb is what the kernel loads when it detects the stick.
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07:42<TobiX>PerfDave: Yes, device support overlaps, since the *sta driver is from staging...
07:42<SynrG>PerfDave: do you have firmware-ralink installed?
07:42<TobiX>I don't have the driver in sid.
07:43<PerfDave>SynrG: I do
07:43<SynrG>try blacklisting rt2800usb, then
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07:43<babilen>PerfDave: Did you paste the pciid already? If not, please give us the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network"
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07:44<SynrG>babilen: USB
07:44<PerfDave>babilen: It's not a network device, it's a USB device. USB ID is 1044:800d
07:44<babilen>ah!
07:44<babilen>ok, disregard me :)
07:44<PerfDave>Ok, how do I blacklist drivers these days?
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07:45<SynrG>create a file in /etc/modprobe.d/
07:45<SynrG>e.g.
07:45<SynrG>rt2800usb-blacklist
07:45<SynrG>just put this in it:
07:45<SynrG>blacklist rt2800usb
07:45<SynrG>er, the file should have a .conf suffix.
07:45<TobiX>Ah, it was merged after squeeze. Mea culpa.
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07:46<SynrG>echo "blacklist rt2800usb" > /etc/modprobe.d/rt2800usb-blacklist.conf
07:46<babilen>SynrG: Are you sure that the rt2800usb is the culprit here? Both (rt2800usb and rt2870sta) claim to support this device. Or do you just think that trying a different module is worth a try?
07:47<SynrG>babilen: i'm just going by what the wiki says, and it specifically refers to 2.6.32 ...
07:47<gsimmons>babilen: rt2800usb is buggy (e.g. dropped packets, affecting association and DHCP) in anything prior to Linux 2.6.35.
07:47<SynrG>but perhaps the wiki needs to be updated re blacklisting?
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07:47<SynrG>anyway, we'll see.
07:48<babilen>gsimmons: Ok, given that rt2870sta has been removed in newer kernels, I guess we could also try a newer kernel from bdo
07:48<PerfDave>Just gonna give rt2870sta a go first :)
07:49<babilen>gsimmons: Thanks, I've been battling with it quite often and tried different modules and was just curious now.
07:49<babilen>PerfDave: sure
07:49<PerfDave>TBH I'd be happy to try wheezy on this laptop. I tend to stick to stable on my systems, but this is intended to just be a simple print server :)
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07:54<PerfDave>OK, using rt2780sta now, and one big problem:
07:54<PerfDave><info> (wlan0): driver does not support SSID scans (scan_capa 0x00).
07:54<PerfDave>Can try connecting by hand again
07:55<SynrG>vendor drivers are a little uneven with strict conformance with wireless-tools specifications :/
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07:56<PerfDave>Trying to connect directly is failing with: <warn> Activation (wlan0/wireless): association took too long.
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07:57<SynrG>maybe time to try a bdo kernel or, if you're moving to wheezy, that
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07:57<babilen>Don't forget the remove the blacklist
07:57<PerfDave>*nods*
07:58<babilen>!tell PerfDave -about bdo kernel
07:58<PerfDave>There's a newer version of firmware-ralink in Wheezy too
07:58<PerfDave>Hmm, dist-upgrading might be less faff than a backport kernel, given this is a fresh and minimal install
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08:02<EmleyMoor>I've got a filesystem that won't umount, no clues in lsof or fuser
08:02<EmleyMoor>Ah... think I may know why
08:02<PerfDave>EmleyMoor: How are you tryign to unmount it, what errors do you get?
08:03<EmleyMoor>umount /mnt ; device is busy
08:05<raboof>EmleyMoor: 'sudo lsof | grep mnt' - there's probably a more direct way of doing that but it should work :)
08:05<EmleyMoor>raboof: That gave nothing
08:05<raboof>might not work if it's in use via a symlink though, not sure
08:05<raboof>hmm
08:07<EmleyMoor>found it...
08:07<raboof>how?
08:07<EmleyMoor>It contained mounted filesystems
08:08<EmleyMoor>(it's where my VM images live - they are mounted ro when not in use, so that the backups catch them
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08:25<jonah79>Gosh I love Debian!!! Playing around with it to get it how I like it is awesome! The question I have is this, do folk think it's okay to add the testing sources (temporally) in order to install XFCE 4.8 on Squeeze?
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08:25<PerfDave>jonah79: Trying to mix binary packages from different branches is rarely a good idea. Look at backporting or using backports.org
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08:27<yosh>jonah79: I run testing and have experimental packages installed
08:27<yosh>works fine for me
08:27<yosh>*i'm
08:27<yosh>whatever, just got up
08:27<jonah79>All I want to do is install XFCE
08:27<jonah79>I don't want to update other packages
08:28<yosh>depends on what the new xfce depends on
08:28<yosh>might break things
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08:28<jonah79>Well I'm going to risk it
08:28<jonah79>lol
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08:28<jonah79>you never know unless you try
08:28<jonah79>:)
08:28<yosh>indeed =)
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08:39<PeterNL>Hi everyone!
08:39<PeterNL>Is debian.org down?
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08:39<PeterNL>Can someone point me to a mirror in or close to the netherlands for a netinst image?
08:41<patrickh>debian.org is working for me
08:42<patrickh>PeterNL: still having problems with debian.org?
08:42<PeterNL>It's working now
08:42<patrickh>k
08:43<PeterNL>But I'm sure it was broken, I trien on two different machines
08:43<patrickh>glad it's working now
08:43<PeterNL>Maybe some DNS failure somewhere
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08:44<rakso>hi
08:44<PeterNL>Where do I find the pros and cons of the 32 and 64 bit versions?
08:45<jonah79>apt tells me that 50 files will need to be upgraded if I install XFCE 4.8 from Testing. Is it worth it on a stable machine? Probably not, I enjoy my main box being stable. :) I will try playing around on my laptop.
08:45<PeterNL>What is the most important reason to use the 64 bit version?
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08:45<patrickh>i think if you want to addres over 4GB memory
08:46<PeterNL>Well, there's PAE for that
08:46<jonah79>y
08:46<patrickh>i think 64 bit is more efficient?
08:46<jonah79>sorry, that was supposed to be for my terminal. :)
08:47<patrickh>:-) your passwords are too easy to guess
08:47<PeterNL>How more efficient? I've read that some programs are faster on a 32bit os and some others are faster on 64bit, but those differences are supposed to be unnoticable, right?
08:47<jonah79>Perhaps I had better make them longer than 1 letter. :)
08:47<PeterNL>Is there any differnce in security?
08:47<patrickh>jonah79: yes, at least more than 3
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08:47<PeterNL>Is there any difference in compatability in multimedia codesc?
08:48<PeterNL>I've heard the flash plugin has audio problems on 64
08:48<jonah79>Maybe I could have yes instead of why. :)
08:48<nevyn>PeterNL: X86_64 provides a bunch of useful extensions that have been in ia32 for ages but are mandatory in x64
08:48<patrickh>PeterNL: i think the performance difference is marginal, and i also think you can still run 32 bit apps within a 64 bit os
08:48<lindi->PeterNL: you mean non-free codecs I presume
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08:49<PeterNL>Does my HD4570 work on both versions? (I've always have has problems with ATI's drivers on any OS...)
08:49<PeterNL>Yep, like mp3, h264 and others
08:50<patrickh>i think stuff like drivers are the only thing to worry about if you want to switch to 64 bit, but i'm not sure
08:50<PeterNL>I've heard of the compatibility libs, but those aren't perfect ;)
08:50<PeterNL>But most software works just fine on 32 and 64
08:50<Centallith>Isn't there a command to force architecture on anything though? Driver inclusive?
08:50<PeterNL>natively ;)
08:50<patrickh>if you are in doubt and you don't need more than 4GB then just install 32 bit
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08:51<PeterNL>Is there any information on the opensource drivers for Radeon chips on 32 vs 64 bit?
08:51<PeterNL>That's probably the most importans aspect
08:51<PeterNL>Oh, and wine ;)
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08:52<PeterNL>I *need* to play RCT1 wich works great in wine on 32, but I've never tried on 64
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08:53<yosh>if you've got a 64bit system, why not run a 64bit OS?
08:53<PeterNL>Because I don't know ;)
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08:53<Centallith>Is there a downside to running a 64-bit OS on a 32-bit system? I pulled it off before but I'm not sure if it was wise to do.
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08:54<patrickh>haha is that possible?
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08:54<PeterNL>If you've got a 32 bit system (e.g. a pre-2007 cpu) then it's not possible
08:54<PeterNL>Any recent x86 cpu is a x68_64 cpu :)
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08:55<Centallith>Okay, well I am far from a hardware expert. So this is 64-bit then.
08:55<PeterNL>s/68/86/
08:55<PeterNL>Centallith: yep, unless it's old
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09:00<PeterNL>Well, I'll just try. I'll install the 64 version, and if grapics fail I'll install the 32 version.
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09:01<chaos>i need to start some stuff on system boot... how do i do that?
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09:01<PeterNL>Why do I always get a swedish mirror? There are closer mirrors out there for me
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09:04<bernat>chaos: see /etc/rc.local and /etc/rcS.d/README
09:04<chaos>yeah rc.local what i found too but how does that set the user which starts the program?
09:05<bernat>it doesn't
09:05<chaos>so who's gonna own the process?
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09:05<bernat>root
09:06<chaos>and if i need to start stuff which won't start with root owner? :)
09:06<bernat>use su
09:06<chaos>hmm... why didn't i think of that :x
09:06<jonah79>I never set up a root account. I would rather used the sudo setup.
09:06<chaos>sorry
09:07<bernat>:)
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09:07<chaos>jonah79: my root account is disabled to
09:07<chaos>o
09:07<devil>jonah79: debian has real root, no need to set one up
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09:09<PeterNL>Are there netinst images of debian testing?
09:12<abrotman>PeterNL: yes, but people have been reporting issues
09:12<towo`>
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09:13<PeterNL>abrotman: Such as?
09:13<jonah79>I watched this week in linux sometime back and the host mentioned how each Debian distro is named after a Toy Story Character. Has this always been the case?
09:13<PeterNL>abrotman: (on 64bit?)
09:13<abrotman>PeterNL: not working
09:13<abrotman>jonah79: yes
09:13<PeterNL>abrotman: at all?
09:13<abrotman>!release history
09:13<dpkg>Debian releases are named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives
09:13<abrotman>PeterNL: from what the guy said ...
09:13<abrotman>PeterNL: of course .. they are 'dailies' .. might work today: )
09:13<abrotman>:)
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09:14<PeterNL>But when I have installed it, can it break tomorrow (or next week)?
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09:14<abrotman>oh hell yes
09:14<abrotman>!meaning of unstable
09:14<abrotman>booh
09:14<jonah79>So before 1996, the distro was just titled Debian?
09:14<PeterNL>No, not unstable, testing ;)
09:14<abrotman>jonah79: no, there were no releases
09:14<abrotman>PeterNL: same issues
09:14<PeterNL>Same?!
09:14<abrotman>PeterNL: what makes you think testing is some magically stable setup ... that we just call testing?
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09:15<PeterNL>I tought testing was actually kinda stable, like most beta versions of other projects
09:15<jonah79>From my recent Debian reading, isn't testing used in terms of preparation for the next stable release?
09:15<abrotman>PeterNL: it gets more stable as the next release nears .. but currently, it's not really much better than unstable, and worse in some cases
09:15<abrotman>jonah79: yes
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09:16<PeterNL>Oh, so if I want a beta-ish release I shoudl wait for testing to become more near-stable?
09:16<abrotman>PeterNL: right .. currently there isn't a huge amount of separation between squeeze/stable and wheezy/testing .. this will grow in the next few months, then it will begin to stabilize
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09:17<PeterNL>How easy is it to upgrade from stable to testing (or from oldstable to stable)?
09:17<PeterNL>(e.g. compared to ubuntu, wich suxks at that)
09:18<jonah79>Are you a recent Debian user PeterNL?
09:18<abrotman>pretty easy .. i had a machine at my office that went from sarge to lenny without reinstall
09:18<babilen>PeterNL: The upgrade from oldstable to stable is detailed in the release notes. (/msg dpkg release notes) -- An upgrade to testing depends on the state testing is currently in and how different it is from stable.
09:18<abrotman>and it couldn't go to squeeze because they dropped that architecture :)
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09:18<Bushmills>PeterNL: would be easier to answer if you told us first how much more difficult ubuntu update, compared to debian, is
09:18<PeterNL>I switched from ubuntu to debian squeeze one year ago because I got fed up with ubuntu upgrades always breaking something
09:18<PeterNL>and I don't want to do a reinstall every six months
09:19<Bushmills>!lenny>squeeze
09:19<PeterNL>that is on my desktop. My laptop is still tunning ubuntu 9.10, wich is old, but I decided I don't want to do ubuntu upgrades anymore.
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09:19<zeref>PeterNL, why not use ubuntu LTS?
09:20<Bushmills>usually, upgrade is a snap. sometimes it isn't, but that's commonly for policy reasons
09:20<zeref>thats what i used to use
09:20<PeterNL>because I want new versions of most packages
09:20<chaos>you don't have reinstall ever if you figure out what you broke and fix it
09:20<PeterNL>e.g. I want firefox5 to be in the repos ;)
09:20<jonah79>Amen!!! When I first started using Linux in 2007, I used to get so excited about the 6 month updates but then I got so fed up with it.
09:20<PeterNL>(even while I'm an opera user)
09:20<chaos>i want firefox to be dead
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09:20<chaos>yes, go opera!
09:20<babilen>PeterNL: For squeeze take a look at http://mozilla.debian.net please (you want the release suite)
09:20<jonah79>Firefox 5 is easy enough to run on Squeeze.
09:20<Bushmills>for running latest stuff, run it in a VM
09:21<PeterNL>Heheh, but this isn't about browsers. it's also about all other packages
09:21<Bushmills>keep the host system nicely stable. break the guest.
09:21<zeref>true
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09:21<PeterNL>And I don't have the disk space and memory to run VM's all day
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09:21<Bushmills>then don't bother
09:22<bernat>you want the latest now and you want it stable, haha
09:22<PeterNL>(I'll probably install a windows 2000 guest for an old game wich is unstable in XP and newer)
09:22<Bushmills>not enough space - but for whole windows for a *game* you do.
09:22<bernat>problems with ubuntu upgrades usually have to do with user customizations and installation from non-official repositories
09:22<Bushmills>oh well, that's priorities
09:22<chaos>hehe
09:23<PeterNL>The game requires 60mb, and windows 2000 (not win7 or something) like 2gb
09:23<bernat>you can have the same problems and more with debian testing
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09:23<valdyn>somehow i doubt that "upgrades are hard" is a good reason to use debian over ubuntu
09:23<jonah79>I have testing on my laptop because It will not cause me problems if there is a breakage
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09:24<bernat>valdyn: I think not
09:24<PeterNL>It doesn't have to be rock solid, as long as it's usable. I don't have problems with something being slighly broken for a while, as long as it's mostly-working for most-of-the-time
09:24<zeref>o0o0
09:24<PeterNL>valdyn: upgrades on ubuntu aren't "hard" but they are annoying because they usually break something
09:24<zeref>heh
09:24<valdyn>PeterNL: upgrades *always* break something
09:25<PeterNL>like grapics drivers
09:25<valdyn>PeterNL: thats the nature of things, has always been like that, will always be like that
09:25<bernat>the same problems you had with Ubuntu will hit you with testing but harder since is more changing and has some grave bugs from time to time
09:25<PeterNL>that's the main reason for me to switch to debian
09:25<valdyn>PeterNL: invalid reason
09:25<PeterNL>so what distro should I be using?
09:25<valdyn>PeterNL: none, theres none for you
09:26<PeterNL>A debian-based rolling-release distreo would be nice, but I haven't heard of one yet
09:26<bernat>you should learn about upgrades
09:26<valdyn>PeterNL: rolling does not equal "upgrades dont break stuff"
09:26<bernat>there's no magic than can upgrade your system no matter what you've done to it
09:26<jonah79>11.04 has problems with my graphics card. Speaking of Firefox 5, a simple download from Mozilla will allow you to use Firefox 5
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09:26<bernat>jonah79: ubuntu 11.04 already has Firefox 5, doesn't it?
09:27<PeterNL>firefox5 was just an example. I want recent, stable versions of most (or all) packages
09:27<jonah79>Unstable is classed as a rolling distro isn't it? Well LMDE labels itself as a rolling distro.
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09:27<Bushmills>"recent", "stable" :D
09:27<zeref>lol
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09:28<PeterNL>Bushmills: yes. firefox5 was released on june 21, and thet is recent and stable
09:28<nate_>If I'm not mistakin' Chrome is going to be the default browser in 11.10. Might as well get used to that.
09:28<valdyn>PeterNL: theres a few things about software that will not ever change, but youre asking for that
09:28<Bushmills>debian considers firefox 5 "unstable", and that's only shortly ago that it was "experimental"
09:28<PeterNL>on june 20, I'd call firefox 4 recent
09:28<PeterNL>But not today
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09:28<abrotman>okay .. this is NOT #ubuntu
09:28<abrotman>go talk about it somewhere else
09:29<nate_>It isn't? Oh crap.
09:29<bernat>Bushmills: it's not that debian considers X unstable, it's the package that is in unstable
09:29<nate_>Why is Debian default now?
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09:29<PeterNL>Damn, I was just asking if I should use testing or stable, and now this?
09:29<Bushmills>PeterNL: you may want to try ubuntu. it is rolling release, and comes with upgraded, more frequently than debian
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09:29<zeref>PeterNL: stick with stable
09:29<bernat>PeterNL: don't go for testing or unstable if you want stability
09:30<PeterNL>wait a second, what does "rolling release" mean exactly?
09:30<PeterNL>Because I might have it wrong ;)
09:30<abrotman>PeterNL: debian doesn't hvae a true rolling release
09:30<valdyn>PeterNL: constant breakage or constant upgrades, depending on where you are standing at
09:31<jonah79>Rolling release means you get all the latest packages without having to go through an update cycle
09:31<abrotman>PeterNL: new software comes in constantly .. this can be good/bad .. but the idea is that it's stable enough for every day usage .. in reality, usually not so much
09:31<Bushmills>it means, from debian p.o.v., that the distro can never be tested well enough to ever become stable
09:31<abrotman>jonah79: except you update every day? ;)
09:31<jonah79>yes
09:31<jonah79>every day
09:31<PeterNL>I want the latest stable versions, regardless of how stable it exactly is. If the developer of package X says it's stable, then i want it.
09:31<PeterNL>Maybe like Arch
09:32<Bushmills>yes, and you want the blackest white there is
09:32<abrotman>PeterNL: then go use that .. this is still a Debian support channel
09:32<PeterNL>But I still prefer a debian-based distro like that
09:32<PeterNL>like arch with apt-get ;)
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09:32<PeterNL>But that doesn't exist, right?
09:32<valdyn>PeterNL: thats not a problem -> use sid, but you are *also* asking for no serious bugs -> thats not possible
09:32<jonah79>I would recommend a distro that you may fancy trying but I don't know if I can mention it here. It's a Mint take on Debian which is a rolling release but can I mention it? lol
09:32<bernat>Bushmills: xD
09:32<abrotman>Could we get back to Debian support?
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09:33<PeterNL>sid doesn't have stable versions of packages, right?
09:33<abrotman>PeterNL: by whose definition ?
09:33<PeterNL>developer of that package
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09:33<Bushmills>"sid" "stable versions" hahaha
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09:33<PeterNL>in the case of firefox, I'd like firefox5 to appear in the repo on june 21 (or 22)
09:33<abrotman>PeterNL: generally it would .. but just because DevA says packageC is stable, does'nt mean it will work with DevB's fancy new packageD
09:34<abrotman>PeterNL: good luck!
09:34<abrotman>!sns
09:34<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
09:34<PeterNL>abrotman: that is still when I want to try. You know the worlsd most-used OS works that way?
09:34<abrotman>PeterNL: Windows XP?
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09:34<PeterNL>!ssb
09:34<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
09:34<abrotman>:)
09:34<PeterNL>abrotman: any version of windows
09:35<Bushmills>PeterNL: there may be some discrepency what you call "stable" and what debian considers "stable"
09:35<Bushmills>between ...
09:35<PeterNL>I call it stable when the mozilla devs remove the "beta" label
09:35<valdyn>PeterNL: your idea of windows xp wouldnt even qualify to be a distro of any kind
09:35<bernat>PeterNL: again, if you want to try the newest and still have a stable system you should use VMs
09:35<abrotman>PeterNL: but, that's not how it works .. people don't upgrade because "my machine works fine the way it is, i don't need to upgrade anything" .. and then they get trojaned
09:35<jonah79>And that's why Firefox on stable is called Iceweazel
09:35<Bushmills>but, as we are used to think in debians terms of "stable", why not try to adept to that idea, rather to introduce your own intead?
09:36<PeterNL>abrotman: the wibdows users I know *do* upgrade, and they all use firefox 5 (if they are ff users)
09:36<valdyn>PeterNL: you can do the windows way
09:36<PeterNL>and non of them has problems with firefox
09:36<Bushmills>grrr... adapt ... instead ... than to ...
09:36<valdyn>PeterNL: but that does not involve a distro
09:36<bernat>PeterNL: you can download firefox as a Windows user would do and run it in your home
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09:37<jonah79>When Debian calls something stable, it points to a long process of bug squashing that the debian devs undergo
09:37<lamah>how can i enter WPA2-PSK to wlan0 in network setup 'network configuration' in Debian 6.0.2 DVD installer under expert mode ?
09:37<Bushmills>PeterNL: "stable" in debian terminology is "stable distribution, stable released", not "one stable program"
09:37<abrotman>!meaning of stable
09:37<dpkg>"Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting#s-updatestable
09:37<PeterNL>I could but I want to have those things in a repo, so I can have the latest "stable" version of everything (firefox, the kernel, X, grapics drivers, whetever
09:37<Bushmills>release ...
09:37<PeterNL>)
09:37<lamah>it is only WEP I see by default
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09:37<abrotman>lamah: the installer doesn't support WPA
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09:38<lamah>abrotman: and then i cant enter to the internet?
09:38<Bushmills>latest stable of everything is stable. squeeze right now.
09:38<PeterNL>Bushmills: does squeeze have ff5 in the repos?
09:38<Bushmills>no
09:39<bernat>,versions iceweasel
09:39<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-6; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-8~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-8; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-8; wheezy: 3.5.19-3; sid: 5.0-3; experimental: 6.0~b2-1
09:39<PeterNL>so that's not the latest stable of everything
09:39<babilen>PeterNL: I mentioned it earlier -- take a look at http://mozilla.debian.net (you want the release suite)
09:39<jonah79>just download the zip file from Mozilla, extract it to your harddisc and run it
09:39<PeterNL>and ff5 is just *one* example
09:39<babilen>jonah79: No
09:39<jonah79>it really is quite simple
09:39<Bushmills>yes. it is. debian stable was frozen before ff5 was even out
09:39<zeref>PeterNL, latest and stable are not really related
09:39<babilen>!tell PeterNL -about stable
09:39<Bushmills>one can't put programs into a release which even don't exist
09:40<PeterNL>So debian testing doesn't even have ff4? lol
09:40<babilen>PeterNL: "stable" has a very specific meaning within Debian that should not be confused with "rock-solid and bug-free". We very much try to ensure those two, but that is not what stable means.
09:40<PeterNL>I'm talking about "mozilla-stable" and not "debian-stable"
09:41<Bushmills>but debian stable doesn't have "mozilla stable" whatever that might be
09:41<PeterNL>(in this example)
09:41<PeterNL>testing doesn't have that either (as I see now)
09:41<babilen>PeterNL: It has already been pointed out to you that there are ways to install IW 5.0 on squeeze from a repo that is maintained by Debian's mozilla team
09:41<jonah79>I think you must understand though Peter, each distro has a philosophy
09:42<Bushmills>PeterNL: if you have a problem with that, don't use debian
09:42<Bushmills>use ubuntu, for example. they have shiny new stuff
09:42<babilen>PeterNL: If you want the latest and shiniest you have to run unstable, with all the problems that are associated with that. Or wait until rolling is implemented ...
09:42<zeref>hmmmm, shiny
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09:42<bernat>it's a problem in understanding how distros work
09:43<Bushmills>or use sid, and fix it yourself :)
09:43<jonah79>They don't all have the same motves
09:43<babilen>PeterNL: I do *not* encourage you to run unstable without at least understanding what that means, but Debian stable is just that. Stable.
09:43<lindi->PeterNL: I use stable and then run some programs from unstable chroot
09:43<lindi->PeterNL: I think it offers best of both worlds
09:43<PeterNL>So, once again, is theer a distro wich (a) has firefox 5 added to its repo after mozilla released it (and other packages treated the same way) (b) doesn't crash every day (c) is based on debian
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09:43<PeterNL>Arch has a and b, but not c, right?
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09:43<lindi->PeterNL: all distros have firefox 5 in their repo _after_ mozilla has released it :)
09:44<bernat>supposedly, Ubuntu has all 3
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09:44<jonah79>Peter, try LMDE, it's Debian Testing with a touch of Mint and Firefox 5 is in the repos
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09:44<PeterNL>bernat: no, but ubuntu breaks every six months
09:44<zeref>use LTS
09:44<bernat>not if you understand how upgrades work
09:44<PeterNL>So, once again, is theer a distro wich (a) has firefox 5 added to its repo after mozilla released it (and other packages treated the same way) (b) doesn't crash every day (c) is based on debian (d) doesn't break on upgrades
09:45<babilen>PeterNL: Software has to be tested in order to find bugs. That can *not* be done by just uploading whatever has been released by upstream authors. A distribution is very much about ensuring that software in combination works bug free and Debian's release model ensures that packages are well tested.
09:45<Bushmills>"stable" in debian terms is abour "mutability", not just about "doesn't crash"
09:45<valdyn>PeterNL: what you want is not possible
09:45<Bushmills>about
09:45<valdyn>PerfDave: stop asking already
09:45<valdyn>PerfDave: sorry
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09:45<jonah79>Mint also has an update system (if you should choose to use it) in which the mint team tests them before you install them onto your machine
09:45<PeterNL>bernat: ubuntu has an update-button somwhere. You click it, wats an hour, restart, and your graoics drivers/pulseaudio/fonts/whatever is broken
09:45<PeterNL>s/wats/wait/
09:45<Bushmills>if ff5 comes with a bug fix version next week, it has no place for a stable distribution
09:46<bernat>PeterNL: no distro will assure that can't happen
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09:46<PeterNL>bernat: sure, I don't expect any guarantees, but ubuntu just sucks at that
09:46<zeref>heh
09:46<Bushmills>PeterNL: why didn't they test their stuff better, then?
09:47<bernat>then Debian testing or unstable sucks even more
09:47<PeterNL>Something based on ubuntu withous those problems every six month would be great as well. Is that Mint?
09:47<PeterNL>bernat: yep, I figured
09:47<bernat>and other distros that put out the latest without much testing will suck the same
09:47<zeref>PeterNL, what you are looking for deos not exist
09:47<Bushmills>PeterNL: debian stable is "debian without updates", unless grave security problems were found.
09:47<PeterNL>bernat: so why does it work in Arch (and on Windows)?
09:48<bernat>but of course everyone has a different experience
09:48<valdyn>PeterNL: it does not work on windows
09:48<Bushmills>thus, no update button needed. no breaking.
09:48<bernat>Windos puts out a version every 10 years?
09:48<PeterNL>valdyn: well, it does
09:48<Bushmills>and no FF5
09:48<PeterNL>Not the OS itself, but all of the packages
09:48<bernat>I haven't tried Arch, but I don't think they're immune to bugs
09:48<valdyn>PeterNL: who was that guy who wants to install a windows 2000 vm to run a game that broke in later versions?
09:48<valdyn>PeterNL: wasnt that you?
09:49<PeterNL>valdyn: that is about childhood memories. Can't fix that xD
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09:49<valdyn>PeterNL: so you cannot claim that windows does not break stuff on upgrade
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09:49<PeterNL>valdyn: no, but Windows is actually the best at that. They suck less that both ubuntu and debian. But it has tons of other problems ;)
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09:50<bernat>you are sounding like a troll
09:50<PeterNL>(and I type way too fast)
09:50<valdyn>this is starting to annoy me
09:50<PeterNL>me as well ;)
09:50<bernat>I think as far as Debian advise is concerned we'd tried to help, now it's you
09:52<PeterNL>So is LMDE or Mint what I'm looking for?
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09:53<PeterNL>*silence*
09:53<babilen>PeterNL: I think what you really want is the result of: http://penta.debconf.org/dc11_schedule/events/759.en.html
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09:53<PeterNL>Yes, that's exactly what I'm looking for
09:53<PeterNL>But it doesn't exist yet?
09:54<bernat>yes, but still devs should be punished in case a bug slips in
09:54<PeterNL>Are there any plans yet? Or will there be plans after the 26th?
09:55<nthykier>PeterNL: Depends on the outcome of that event
09:55<PeterNL>Okay
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09:56<abrotman>lamah: just not during the installer, or use a wired connection
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10:03<Osiris_X>bernat: "devs should be punished in case a bug slips in" - really? seriously?
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10:04<Osiris_X>bernat: "are you under some mistaken impression that the devs get compensated for their work or that they owe us?
10:05<abrotman>Osiris_X: i think it wsa a bit of an embellishment .. bakc off
10:05<abrotman>back
10:05<PeterNL>devs should not be punished in anyway, they should be encouraged to fix those bugs :D
10:05<yosh>candy and beer for devs? :>
10:06<PeterNL>Yep. That's what donations are for, right?
10:06<Osiris_X>abrotman: I hope so ...
10:06<nthykier>all in favour? *raises hand*
10:06<koollman>one candy for every bug closed, one beer for every 10 bug closed ? :)
10:06<PeterNL>koollman: good idea!
10:06<yosh>^^
10:06<yosh>I want in on this :D
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10:06<PeterNL>I have heard of such a project somewhere
10:06<nthykier>koollman: Rather we should go for balmer's peak, simply send a lot of beers to the dev :P
10:07<PeterNL>I don't remember where :(
10:07<abrotman>anyone near Bosnia next week would have a chance to buy Debian Developers lots of beer
10:07<nthykier>Ballmer*
10:07<abrotman>well, this week too
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10:08<PeterNL>CUT sounds like a great idea, but for now I'll use LMDE (64 bit)
10:08<abrotman>!mint
10:08<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
10:09<abrotman>have a nice day!
10:09<PeterNL>Thatks :)
10:09<PeterNL>Thanks :)
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10:10<PeterNL>Bye!
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10:27<chaos>how do i find out which package is on hold?
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10:28<towo`>dpkg --get-selections | grep hold
10:28<dpkg>towo`: are you smoking crack?
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10:30<chaos>i did dpkg --list |grep ^h
10:31<chaos>but didn't find what i was looking for :)
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10:31<chaos>thanks anyway
10:31<towo`>if you use aptitude hold, dpkg does not know about it
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10:31<chaos>aptitude upgrade was leaving a single package not upgraded and didn't know how to find it
10:32<chaos>but full-upgrade fixed it
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10:37<chaos>can i add cryptsetup luksOpen type commands to rc.local?
10:38<chaos>how is it going to ask for pass?
10:38<diederik>Hi, I'm looking for a DLNA capable server to run on my debian server. What are my options and/or recommedations?
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10:59<root_>hi
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11:21<mekt>Which package can be dpkg-reconfigured to change whether the initrd for Linux is generic or custom/trimmed?
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11:21<mekt>(it is not initramfs-tools)
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11:23<th>how to disable dependency based boot?
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11:31<mekt>th, if you don't get an answer to that, you might try 'upstart'
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11:32<th>uh, i just want the old style init
11:32<daemonkeeper>th: Please ignore mekt's advise. Moreover there is no supported way back to plain sysv, once you enabled dependency based boot.
11:33<daemonkeeper>th: You were warned upon migration. :)
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11:33<th>my system now is using makefile something something init, it starts scripts in init.d in paralel
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11:34<lamah_>how can I run a 'setup' configuration like in cd/dvd install ?
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11:34<lamah_>after installed sys
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11:34<th>lamah_, is there any particular configuration you want to change?
11:35<lamah_>base-config ?
11:35<lamah_>network settings i need
11:35<th>you can configure it in /etc/network/interfaces
11:35<lamah_>i need menu
11:35<lamah_>not edit mode
11:35<lamah_>that I am asking
11:36<th>found it, putting CONCURRENCY=none in /etc/default/rcS does it
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11:37<daemonkeeper>th: That's quite different to "disabling" it, though.
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11:37<daemonkeeper>You still use dependency based boots, just not concurrent.
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11:38<th>ah, i see. hehe, i think i need the latter
11:38<th>no concurrency
11:39<scinl>I am wondering, is there a functional difference between debian and debian-update (other than the 1 day difference) at this location? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/sparc/iso-cd/
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11:40<sney>I believe the update disc contains the updated packages for offline installation
11:41<sney>whereas the regular one is a standard installer
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11:42<scinl>sney: But if I have net connect, the debian-update are moot? Like an incremental backup being run after the last full, kind of ?
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11:43<sney>scinl: if you are going to install debian from one of those discs, you don't need the -updates disc. also, if you have an existing debian stable machine and have been updating it regularly, you also don't need the -updates disc
11:43<th>i'm trying to pinpoint where my laptop freezes (no response at all, even with magic sysrq) during init 6 or init 0. i hope i can find the culprit by using no concurrency
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11:44<scinl>sney: Thank you so much. I <3 Debian.
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12:06<EmleyMoor>I just fitted a small TV (with VGA) to one of my servers - the text is barely readable - is there an easy way to switch to a basic text mode?
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12:08<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: TV's don't have basic text mode.
12:09<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: Text is universally poor on standard television displays.
12:09<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_lt: Well, I am not expecting it to be great, just better than it is
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12:10<sney>it can be tolerable at 320x240 ish but then you can hardly see anything before it scrolls off
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12:10<EmleyMoor>My box is using a 1024x768 mode, it seems
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12:11<sney>you can use vga= or gfxpayload boot parameters to change that, but I don't know if you can change it per display
12:12<EmleyMoor>sney: It's the only display... some guidance as to those parameters would be good
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12:12<sney>I usually default to vga even though grub whines that it's deprecated, because I can find a mode table by googling vga=775
12:13<sney>I'm not sure where to find the gfxpayload docs
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12:15<lamah>how can I setup a mirror?
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12:17<yosh>one nail to the wall should do it
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12:20<EmleyMoor>I need to stop it switching into a graphical mode, if I can
12:20<armido_>ok
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12:25<EmleyMoor>Still can't see a way to stop it going "graphical"...
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12:26<EmleyMoor>I just want basic 80x25... surely that can't be too much to ask
12:28<EmleyMoor>I think what I actually want is "no framebuffer"
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12:32<Black_Prince>EmleyMoor, what gpu does your server havE?
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12:33<EmleyMoor>An onboard nVidia...
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12:34<Black_Prince>EmleyMoor, maybe if you boot with nomodeset command line, it won't switch resolution.
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12:35<EmleyMoor>I'll try that if I am going to reboot again...
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12:35<Bossonline>hey anybody please need help
12:36<Bossonline>need heelp
12:36<EmleyMoor>!ask
12:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:36<Bossonline>!ask Server error, HTTP Error 500 (Internal Server Error)
12:37<Bossonline>!ask Server error, HTTP Error 500 (Internal Server Error) devian version 6.0
12:37<Bossonline>!ask Server error, HTTP Error 500 (Internal Server Error) debian version 6.0
12:37<EmleyMoor>Bossonline: Stop using !ask that way
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12:37<Bossonline>okay
12:37<EmleyMoor>Read what dpkg said
12:37<jhutchins_lt>Bossonline: If you want to query the bot use /msg dpkg
12:38<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_lt: I don't think that's what Bossonline wants
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12:39<Bossonline>please anybody really people help me, i cant speak english well and i can`t speak with bot. i have really roblem and i know really developer can help me. i started debian squizee 6.0 apache2 php5 mysql server and client, but have error on some script to i want install it. after upload script server give me error : Server error, HTTP Error 500 (Internal Server Error)
12:40<EmleyMoor>What language can you speak well?
12:40<Bossonline>georgian and russian
12:40<EmleyMoor>!ru
12:40<dpkg>Russian speakers, please talk (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
12:40<jhutchins_lt>Bossonline: less /var/log/apache2/error.log
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12:43<jhutchins_lt>Bossonline: Perhaps you need to set your locale correctly so that it logs in russian.
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12:45<jhutchins_lt>Bossonline: Your error is also more likely to be specific to the script you tried to install than to Debian. What was the script for and where did you get it?
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12:47<Bossonline>vacation rental script i want install
12:47<Bushmills>internal server error from http server which cgi scripts is often due to missing or bad doctype
12:48<Bushmills>not sure abnout that specific error 500 though
12:48<Bushmills>content type, i mean
12:49<Bossonline>and what i can do ?
12:49<Bushmills>very first line of the script. run it from command line, directly, instead of through the web server. look at its first line, that would be the content type description.
12:49<Bossonline>can anybody give me really good manual for install example home server for 1 website
12:49<Bossonline>?
12:49<Bushmills>if that's missing or bad, fix the script.
12:50<Bossonline>server 46.49.110.226
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12:50<Bushmills>it would look like, for example, Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
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12:50<Bossonline>main site worked 100% but example.com/rentmyplace not work
12:50<Bushmills>and i think it needs cf+lf following, not just lf
12:50<Bushmills>cr + lf
12:51<Bossonline>?
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12:51<Bossonline>cr + lf
12:51<Bossonline>? i don`t know
12:51<Bossonline>i`m newbie
12:51<Bushmills>single line feed at its end is as far as i know not sufficient.
12:52<Bossonline>i can give user and pass please can any help me ?
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12:52<Bushmills>well, i can't talk you through fixing your scripts. check whether that's could be the problem - knowing the problem is the large part of fixing it.
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12:54<Bushmills>you're welcome
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13:00<nasrullah>hi
13:00<nasrullah>how to convert xubuntu 11.04 into debian
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13:01<cahoot>a clean install
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