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---Logopened Wed Aug 31 04:41:02 2011
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04:41<mikegrb_>in a makefile for a target I want the dependency to be all files in a given directory tree, is there some magic to accomplish this?
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04:43<daemonkeeper>Try some magic with $(shell (find . -name '*.c' -print))
04:43<daemonkeeper>(or whatever)
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05:11<stomanata>What problem may i have with skype
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05:12<daemonkeeper>An ethical one, as it is not free?
05:12<stomanata>it is actual version. i start it from console with "skype" and now hi was closed
05:12<stomanata>in console i saw aborted
05:12<stomanata>it`s free, but not open source :)
05:13<daemonkeeper>Its non-free and not distributable by Debian.
05:13<daemonkeeper>So we can't really help.
05:13<stomanata>where can i found help?
05:13<daemonkeeper>If your program fails with no helpful error reason you can't do anything more than asking Skype for help
05:15<daemonkeeper>Its a binary program with obfuscated source, as of our (and your) perspective its a blob.
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05:37<stomanata>stupid skype :P
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06:03<gob_bluth>hi, i've just installed deb5 onto a server, and during the install it installed and encrypted the disk to /dev/sdc, but on boot the kernel's renamed it to /dev/sda and i can't figure out how to change grub to find it on /dev/sdc anymore
06:03<gob_bluth>anybody have any ideas
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06:04<daemonkeeper>Grub does not care. Grub itself is loaded by the BIOS and looks for the kernel configured in its configuration file (pretending it is found)
06:05<gob_bluth>so how do i change the crypt target
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06:06<daemonkeeper>You need to have an unencrypted /boot partition (obviously). From there you can point to a kernel and initrd, doing the decryption.
06:06<daemonkeeper>Or, alternatively, only encrypt useful data, e.g. /hom
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06:12<armani>is there a vp8 video converter for squeeze?
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06:34<lamby_>hi all. what rotates auth.log in debian? in /var/log/ i can see compressed and rotated auth.logs but I can't see anything in the logrotate daemon config, so something else must be responsible for its rotation?
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06:40<rpetre>lamby_: /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog
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06:40<rfx>When I install apt-listchanges and I execute aptitude upgrade, I see the changes. I read the man page and I get the impression I can use it "standalone", i.e. without doing aptitude upgrade. It describes the option --apt, but I fail to understand what I need to pipe to apt-listchanges. Any idea?
06:40<rpetre>(or whatever syslogd you have installed)
06:40<rfx>My end goal is to see all packages needing upgrade, old and new package version number, and their changes (ChangeLog) in between
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06:43<gob_bluth>k i 've gotten access to /boot, where would the pointer for the crypt device be ?
06:44<lamby_>rpetre: thanks
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06:55<nitalaut> Hello. I'm using Debian Squeeze and selinux-default policy. I'm able to start python http server (python -m SimpleHTTPServer) as unprivileged user. I'd like to prevent such things. Should I use strict policy and disable unconfined module or there're other possible solutions ?
06:57<daemonkeeper>If you are sure you are enforcing and it still works, you may want to modify your policy.
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06:58<nitalaut>yes sestatus shows enforcing
06:59<nitalaut>when I use strict policy it denies too much
06:59<nitalaut>I'm even unable to ssh to that box
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06:59<daemonkeeper>I'd suggest you to customize the default policy for your requirements then.
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07:00<daemonkeeper>Install selinux-policy-src and start working :)
07:00<d0ct0r>anyone know why i can't install TrueCrypt in debian?
07:00<nitalaut>daemonkeeper, thanks )
07:00<daemonkeeper>d0ct0r: TrueCrypt is non-free
07:01<dpkg>TrueCrypt is a <non-free> (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. Not in Debian, RFP in bug #413070.
07:02<d0ct0r>daemonkeeper: yes but i downloaded it from truecrypt website
07:02<lamby_>can't you just use LVM encrypted volumes ?
07:02<daemonkeeper>A binary?
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07:03<d0ct0r>daemonkeeper, yes. lamby_: i want to open an truecrypt file
07:03<lamby_>I've found a bug in rsync. Do I report it to the rsync debian maintainers or the rsync people ?
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07:03<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>.
07:03<daemonkeeper>d0ct0r: Try to recompile it from source, or bug the provider of the packages.
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07:04<daemonkeeper>lamby_: Additionally to what Bushmills pointed you to: Both is equally fine. Its the Debian maintainer's job to forward bugs to upstream if neede
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07:04<d0ct0r>daemonkeeper, i dont know how to compile from source
07:04<lamby_>Bushmills, daemonkeeper thanks
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07:05<daemonkeeper>d0ct0r: There is probably an INSTALL or doc/ file giving you pointers
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07:24<jaco>do i need anything to install bundle archives??
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07:25<d0ct0r>anyone know how to auto-mount my two other harddrives when i start my computer?
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07:27<babilen>jaco: What is a "bundle archive" ?
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07:30<jaco>the error comes from
07:30<jaco>it does not can open the archive..
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07:33<Zathras>jaco, it is probably a binary installer, not so much a package or archive
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07:33<Zathras>d0ct0r, check out fstab
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07:34<Zathras>or automount
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07:35<nate_>can somebody help with config compiz
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07:35<nate_>help help help
07:35<babilen>nate_: #compiz on might be a good place.
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07:36<babilen>nate_: And you might want to ask a more specific question -- /msg dpkg smart questions
07:36<gob_bluth>ahhh why can't debian find the encrypted disk ?
07:37<gob_bluth>i just installed debian5, encrypted a hwraid device and now when it boots it says it can't find /dev/sda2
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07:37<gob_bluth>if i boot with a cd into rescue mode, it asks to unlock /dev/sda2
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07:37<babilen>gob_bluth: why lenny?
07:38<gob_bluth>babilen: because our systems aren't ready for squeeze yet
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07:40<gob_bluth>dmesg shows: sd 0:2:0:0: [sda] attached scsi disk
07:40<babilen>gob_bluth: sry, lunch is ready, bbl
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07:45<lamby_>do squeeze-backports get the same kind of security / criticl bug, treatment as squeeze ?
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07:45<lamby_>and is there any reason to not run a package from backports on a production server? I ask because I had to install ntop and it wasn't in stable due to a release critical issue
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07:50<jaco>babilen, it is not a binaries archive..the installation notes explanes this for install: (sudo sh VMware-Workstation....)
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07:50<jaco>sorry for my bad explanation
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08:29<jaco>what is sh for??
08:29<lamby_>jaco: it's a shell
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08:46<babilen>!es-social sonia
08:46<dpkg>sonia: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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09:01<lamby_>do squeeze-backports get the same kind of security / criticl bug, treatment as squeeze ?
09:01<lamby_>and is there any reason to not run a package from backports on a production server? I ask because I had to install ntop and it wasn't in stable due to a release critical issue
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09:05<Bushmills>those problems may be reasons not to.
09:05<Bushmills>no. security support is for distribution packages
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09:07<daemonkeeper>lamby_: There is some security support for backports, but its drivern by the backporter. That implies it is not on the same level as stable security support, and may vary on a per package basis
09:07<lindi->Bushmills: hmm? backports do have security support
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09:08<Bushmills>doesn't correspond to what thought to know, which is that there's no certainty that backported packages will be regarded for security support
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09:08<lindi->Bushmills: "This means, you have to keep track of the changes in unstable, update your backport when a new version enters testing and provide security updates when needed." --
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09:09<Bushmills>oh well. keeping track yourself implies that about everything has security support :)
09:10<lindi->Bushmills: "you" in that sentence is the developer
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09:11<daemonkeeper>The bottom line is, as I implied before: backports has no security support from the security team, but from the uploader on a best effort basis.
09:11<daemonkeeper>(One could argue, the security team does best effort security support as well)
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09:25<jaco>packet for dual monitor with ati readon?
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09:27<XayOn>jaco: did you try xrandr --auto ? don't think ati radeon doesnt have dual monitor with open source drivers
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09:29<jaco>and to use it as secon monitor??
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09:30<babilen>jaco: Please elaborate what you mean by that. How exactly do you use a "ati radeon" as a second monitor? Wouldn't you just use a second monitor as a second monitor and connect *both* to different outputs of the same card?
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09:31<jaco>both with a same card
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09:31<babilen>Yes, check out the *randr tools. xrandr works, but you might prefer arandr/grandr or whatever your desktop environment provides.
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09:32*babilen uses xrandr and arandr fwiw
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09:35<jaco>i use squeeze
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09:42<jaco>absolutly incredible
09:43<jaco>love debian
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09:53<Kagee>XayOn: i go 2,5 running before i switched to flgrx
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10:03<lamby_>what is the relationship between Alsa and PulseAudio. Are they different ways of doing the same thing or do they compliment one another?
10:04-!-mode/#debian [+l 509] by debhelper
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10:04<lindi->lamby_: alsa is lower level
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10:05<quitte>also pulse can provide an alsa interface to applications, if i'm not mistaken
10:05<lindi->lamby_: in common desktop setups applications send their audio to pulseaudio which mixes it and feeds it to alsa
10:05<lindi->quitte: yes
10:05<quitte>i'd like to know, too. how is pulse not yet another soundserver?
10:05<lindi->quitte: it is another sound server
10:06<lindi->quitte: quite popular one
10:06<duan_huiqiang>I only have a desktop without gnome-panel when I start on my laptop sometimes.So I have to excute "killall gnome-panel".How can I repair it completely?
10:08<lamby_>quitte, lindi- thanks
10:08<jaco>what app installs .deb packeges??
10:08<lindi->duan_huiqiang: squeeze?
10:09<quitte>lindi-: so there's esd arts jack and pulse. probably a couple more i forgot. each come with their own set of trouble. why would i pick pulse?
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10:10<quitte>jaco: dpkg
10:10<nevyn>quitte: because it solves the problem less badly than any of the others.
10:10<dpkg>Oracle VM VirtualBox is a virtual machine solution. To install, ask me about <vbox-install squeeze> or <vbox-install lenny>. #vbox on See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest-utils>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>.
10:11<quitte>alsa seems to manage playing multiple audio sourc es just fine without an additional server
10:11<lordmadnes>!vbox-install squeeze
10:11<dpkg>As root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` virtualbox-ose". After <DKMS> builds the necessary kernel modules, VirtualBox can be started.
10:11<lindi->quitte: alsa does not support chaging volumes of applications that play sound on the fly
10:11<lindi->quitte: or switching audio from speakers to headphones on the fly
10:12<quitte>ah. forgot about that. i guess it could also switch to output to another machine on the fly?
10:12<lindi->quitte: also alsa is not available on kfreebsd
10:12<lindi->quitte: it can but network transport is not really very commonly used
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10:14<duan_huiqiang>lindi-: yes,squeeze.
10:15<lindi->quitte: I think jackd still has uses for cases where you need lower latency
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10:18<quitte>lindi-: do you have some getting started guide? i'd like to see my netbook switch audio from headphones to network and then decide wether i like pulse.
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10:19<lindi->quitte: I don't think I have one for that
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10:23<zykotick9>lordmadnes, FYI if you are using squeeze, VBox 4 (with USB support) is in backports
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10:24<lamby_>it is normal for Debian to use swap space even if it has plenty of RAM? and does it have much of an impact on performance ?
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10:24<lamby_>vbox 4.1 supports cloning which is nice for a freebie VM product
10:24<quitte>yes and no
10:25<quitte>lamby data that is never accessed goes to swap so that the ram can be used to buffer files
10:25<lordmadnes>zykotick9, thanks
10:25<quitte>at least that's what's supposed to happen
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10:29<lamby_>not sure I'm too happy about Oracle owning it though
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10:30<quitte>since there's cpu extensions i'm perfectly happy with kvm.
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10:32<lamby_>err is that kernel level virtualisation ?
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10:36<lindi->lamby_: kvm emulates a complete machine
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10:36<quitte>lamby_: it's hardware virtualization. . kqemu is what i think of as kernel level virtualization.
10:36<waldo22>still need some help with a botched upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze, I think it may be related to the Udev issue
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10:37<waldo22>Seeing a lot of udevd[1875]: add_to_rules: unknown key 'TAG' in /lib/udev/rul
10:37<waldo22>es.d/70-acl.rules:81 type things in the daemon.log
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10:37<babilen>waldo22: Did you follow the release notes? Those messages might also be due to you still having outdated configuration files around. What does "aptitude search ~c" give you?
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10:38<waldo22>No, I didn't see them until I'd already done a dist-upgrade
10:38<waldo22>any suggestions on how to proceed after having made that mistake?
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10:39<babilen>waldo22: You mean you didn't follow the release notes?
10:39<waldo22>I'm able to use grub2 to boot into the Lenny kernel with all the Squeeze packages, and it's "working"
10:39<waldo22>correct, I didn't follow them
10:39<babilen>waldo22: Well, upgrade udev and boot into the new kernel, then continue with dist-upgrade.
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10:40<babilen>waldo22: That wasn't a particular good idea btw, but I am sure that you are aware of that now.
10:40<babilen>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
10:40<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>.
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10:41<waldo22>I skipped the "install linux-image" part
10:41<waldo22>that would pretty much do it.
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10:42<AlexMax>Is it advisable to disable the root account and handle all admin tasks through sudo?
10:42<AlexMax>like Ubuntu does?
10:42<babilen>AlexMax: You don't need to disable root if you want to use sudo. And yes, using sudo makes sense. /me wouldn't disable root though.
10:42<lindi->AlexMax: you need to tell us a bit more about your situation
10:42<waldo22>forgive the noobish question, but apt-get install udev says udev is latest version
10:43<mff>hi everyone! do i need to add somthing to host allow for ssh to work? it answer on internal ip, but not external ip, port is open in the router..
10:43<babilen>waldo22: Which is? What does "apt-cache policy udev" give you?
10:43<quitte>AlexMax: having a password different from your users password to become root isn't the worst idea.
10:43<srtu>@mff you mean the host.allow file in /etc ?
10:44<mff>srtu: yes
10:44<srtu>no you don't need to add anything there
10:44<mff>ok, it wont answer on ssh, thats why i asked.. then i need to check somthing else.. =)
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10:44<babilen>waldo22: Yep, that is squeeze's version. Make sure you have the .32 kernel installed, reboot into that kernel and continue with "apt-get dist-upgrade"
10:44<srtu>@mff yeah it seems so
10:45<waldo22>will do thanks a bunch
10:45<babilen>waldo22: Not sure if you'll run into other problems though. And *please* read the release notes. *now*
10:45<srtu>but you can check host.deny, if this is empty everythings fine, BUT in both files there must be a empty line at the end!!!! thats important
10:45<AlexMax>lindi-: I have a Linode VPS that I just installed debian on. I'm used to ubuntu server, and I don't really see the point of a separate root login
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10:45<AlexMax>I have to type a password in either way
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10:46<AlexMax>And it's not like I'm sending my password over ssh in cleartext, I use my private key
10:46<quitte>AlexMax: if your user password gets compromised and sudo can be used the attacker automatically gains root permissions
10:47<AlexMax>quitte: If my root password gets compromised and su can be used the attacker automatically gains root permissions
10:47<lindi->AlexMax: having sudo ask for a password is mostly useless as a security feature. it is useful for avoiding accidents
10:47<quitte>AlexMax: root login from remote should be disabled by default
10:47<AlexMax>It is
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10:47<AlexMax>As is plaintext password login
10:47<lindi->quite the opposite. root login remotely with RSA key would be ok
10:47<AlexMax>I use public keys for remote access
10:48<AlexMax>so the only time I enter my own password is when i need to su/sudo
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10:48<lindi->AlexMax: I tend to use "lindi" and "lindi-sudo" accounts where "lindi-sudo" can sudo without password
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10:49<lindi->AlexMax: this means that if a program that I run as "lindi" has a bug it can not escalate to root by aliasing "sudo" to send my passwords to attacker
10:49<AlexMax>What if a program alises su?
10:50<lindi->AlexMax: I don't run su
10:50<lindi->AlexMax: "lindi" is for non-root tasks
10:50<lindi->AlexMax: I login as "lindi-sudo" from gdm3 or via ssh
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10:51<mff>srtu: files have a empty line at the end, so dont have anything to do with that..
10:51<taleon>This is why you should use the full paths like /bin/su for example. :-)
10:51<lindi->taleon: full path won't help
10:52<taleon>It works against aliases I mean. :-)
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10:52<lamby_>lindi-: to use sudo in debian do you have to be a member of the sudo group or do you need to add your user to /etc/sudoers ?
10:53<lindi->lamby_: "lindi-sudo" is just listed in sudoers
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10:53<lamby_>lindi-sudo ALL:ALL {ALL} or whatever ?
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10:53<AlexMax>lamby_: You can add yourself to the sudo group for the sam eeffect
10:54<lindi->lamby_: I can't read sudoers to check :)
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10:54<lamby_>AlexMax: I tried that and it didn't work. the wiki implies it should work (it says people in group sudo will be able to sudo)
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10:54<lamby_>lindi-: sudo tail /etc/sudoers ? ;-P
10:54<lindi->lamby_: you forgot that lindi can't sudo
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10:55<lamby_>ah indeed. sorry I'm half asleep. poor lindi. safe lindi :)
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10:55<babilen>lamby_: And yes, just add yourself to the sudo group if you don't want anything fancy
10:55<lindi->this ensures that I do all my experiments on somebody else's machine
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10:59<chrisign>hello out there, I have a problem with kernel package propably udevd
10:59<chrisign>waiting for /dev to be fully populated
11:00<chrisign>after that the boot process stalls
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11:24<AlexMax>Where does netfilter write logs in debian?
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11:27<grove>/var/log/kern.log (I believe, I don't have any machines with netfilter LOG rules to check on)
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11:29<lindi->AlexMax: it depends on what level and category you set
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12:16<Freddy105>I'm trying to create a debian boot USB
12:16<Freddy105>following the instructions I should zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX
12:16<Freddy105>but, when I do this I receive the message "permission denied"
12:16<Freddy105>so, how do I do it?
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12:21<Freddy105>ok, changed the permissions on /dev/sdb and it is copying, lets see if it works
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12:24<Freddy105>it worked
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12:27<rog>i've got a naive ubuntu/gnome question - is here an appropriate place to ask?
12:27<rog>(hi, BTW)
12:28<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:29<rog>cool, thanks, i'll go there.
12:29<babilen>Freddy105: Just do it as root next time
12:29<babilen>rog: Good luck!
12:29<Freddy105>babilen: I used sudo
12:29<Freddy105>babilen: it did not work
12:29<babilen>Freddy105: You have to be root.
12:29<ansgar>How can one remove the jab at Ubuntu in the factoid? (The "unlikely to live up to Debian's standards" part)
12:30<blarson>ansgar: get ubuntu to live up to debian's standards?
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12:30<babilen>Freddy105: In order to untangle your head right now: Consider that "sudo zcat image.gz > /dev/sdb" will run "zcat image.gz" as root, but the I/O redirection is excempted.
12:31<babilen>Freddy105: sudo -c "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX" would have worked though.
12:31<kop>Freddy105: (So, easier to just use 'su'.)
12:32<babilen>or "sudo -i" :)
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12:34<Freddy105>ok, I'll try to remember next time
12:34<Freddy105>thanks for the explanation
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12:36<kop>Freddy105: (FWIW, same issue crops up when supplying a command to ssh. Do you want the > to be on the local or the remote side....)
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12:37<Freddy105>never used it trough ssh
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12:39<lamby_>much of a difference between using an rsa or dsa key when using ssh-keygen? or is it pretty much , much of a muchness ?
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12:40<ansgar>lamby_: IIRC dsa might leak private key material if you don't have a good random number generator.
12:40<mshuler>lamby_: DSA seems to be out of style, due to algorithm weakness
12:40<kop>lamby_: You want the default, which is IIRC a rsa key. B
12:41<mshuler>lamby_: and if you wish to contribute to Debian, for instance get an Alioth account, DSA ssh keys are not accepted
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12:43<lamby_>I was thinking of doing some help with translations if they still need people, but my code would put in more bugs than it would fix ;-)
12:43<lamby_>i'll use rsa then thanks :)
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12:47<aussa> hi, I'm trying to install wheezy nvidia-graphics-drivers on my squeeze system, I downloaded the source code and built it, it created some .deb files, the problem is I don't know which of those to install, files:
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12:51<lamby_>all my other keys are dsa.. oops. will have to re-generated my pks on my other systems. as for random generator.. all systems (both client and server) are debian so I assume they'll be pretty good
12:51<lamby_>(though you know what they say about assumptions)
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12:55<lamby_>righty i'm off. later all
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13:21<arand>I'm trying to use live-boot to build a usb bootable, but somehow it has stuck on using the server and consistently fails to get stuff from there, I've tried "lb clean --purge" removing the directory config contents, and then doing lb configure with another server and then lb build, but it still ends up trying to pull from the german mirror, where could this setting be stored?
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13:25<wols_>have you checked your sources.list?
13:26<arand>My own points to (not .de.)
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13:29<arand>Program is called live-build rather than boot, typo above^
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13:31<jhutchins_lt>arand: Have you looked in the program's directories for configuration files? Have you read /usr/share/doc/live-build/*?
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13:42<arand>Hmm, seems german mirror is hardcoded in /usr/share/live/build/functions/, I wonder if I need to set more that --mirror-binary to change mirror...
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13:57<Adolf>hi, is anyone aware if there is any site that recorded in comparison linux distros benchmarks ? or desktop environments if that influences anything related to video playback performance, file transfer, browsing and stuff like that. i can't seem to find anything with google. i'm looking for something very very fast as a desktop
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13:58<lindi->Adolf: that is very tricky
13:58<ansgar>Adolf: Buy a very, very fast computer.
13:58<lindi->Adolf: what distro are you using now?
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14:01<grove>Adolf: Drop KDE and gnome and go for the most lightweight wm you can stand working with
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14:01<Adolf>the last ubuntu lts on my desktop and debian 6 on my server. both in gnome
14:02<Adolf>i have tried xfce and lxde a while ago and they sucked
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14:02<Adolf>maybe they work better if i make a clean install with one of them as default
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14:04<Adolf>but anyway, could there be a big difference between a deb or deb based system vs fedora centos mint or other distros they use for servers nowadays ?
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14:05<valdyn>Adolf: speedwise, no
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14:06<Adolf>thanks, i guess that's why there aren't any benchmarks i can find valdyn
14:06<valdyn>Adolf: no, youre looking at the wrong place
14:07<Adolf>dunno where to ask
14:07<valdyn>Adolf: video playback is *very* different, depending on a few factors that are unrelated to distro and unrelated to desktop environment
14:08<valdyn>Adolf: likewise for browser speed, which mostly depends on just your gfx cards driver and the browser, nothing else
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14:10<valdyn>Adolf: and file transfer is limited by physical limits, not really by software
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14:10<wols_>valdyn: better ask xingu about that :P
14:11<valdyn>wols_: im not assuming hes doing metadata intensive tasks
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14:12<wols_>xingu debugged all of yesterday why under certain circumstances his AES-NI wasn't used with encrypted volumes
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14:19<max>oie todo mundo
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14:19<max>alguma menina aqui?
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14:32<mff>hi! i have a problem with ssh, i get timed out when i try connect to it. hosts.allow and hosts.deny looks ok to me, somone that have a idea on what more to look at.. ? thnx in advance...
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14:38<wols_>mff: ssh actually listens on port 22? portforwarding is set up? you tried ssh -vvv ?
14:39<ompaul>nomada_: you have a debian question?
14:39<mff>wols_: port 22 is open, and it answer on internal ip, but not on external..
14:40<ompaul>mff: port forwarding isn't?
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14:40<ompaul>!tell ask about ask
14:40<wols_>from where are you trying the external IP? from your internal LAN? if so: your router is shit most probably
14:40<babilen>ompaul: heh
14:41<nomada_>ifsense can be virtualized on Xen?
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14:41<babilen>nomada_: pfsense?
14:42<mff>wols_: i think somone here tested it today, and said the same to me..
14:42<babilen>nomada_: Yes
14:42<wols_>mff: you haven't answered the portforwarding question yet
14:42<nomada_>could help?
14:43<nomada_>some tutorial?
14:43<wols_>about what? if your interface works in your xen guest you can use pfsense. the end
14:43<mff>porwols_: port forwarding is setup..
14:43<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
14:44<mff>wols_ even
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14:44<babilen>nomada_: Have you installed a *bsd (e.g. Debian/kFreeBSD) already?
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14:45<nomada_>not like riding the pfSense as a domU
14:46<wols_>then you shouldn't ask "can X be virtualized"
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14:46<nomada_>No, that's what I do
14:46<wols_>and you should start fully explaining what the actual problem is. but I have a suspicion it would be easier in your native language
14:46<ompaul>nomada_: what is your usual language?
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14:46<babilen>nomada_: What do you do and what is your question?
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14:47<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:48<mff>wols_: what should i see with "ssh -vvv", i see how i set up som things, [-D [bind_address:]port] [-e escape_char] [-F configfile] and so on..
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14:48<nomada_>My question is how to install pfSense on a domU, knowing that the host is debian / squeeze?
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14:48<wols_>mff: you should see why it times out?
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14:50<mff>wols_: nothing like that there, only text like i pasted.. nothing else..
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14:52<wols_>mff: trying to connect to your remote host obviously...
14:52<wols_>ssh -vvv <host>
14:52<ompaul>mff: two things, your router could be blocking it because it is not set up right, and your isp might prevent connections remotely to 22 and that is more or less it. SSH works
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14:52<mff>new installation, squeeze. maybe somthing i need to config?
14:52<wols_>no you don't
14:53<mff>ok =) new to this, so maybe newbe questions, but that is what i am ;)
14:53<ompaul>mff: see what I said, if it works it works, if it does not the problem is elsewhere.
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14:55<mff>ompaul: router is set to open port 22, and a port scanner tells me its open, and i dont think my ISP is blocking port 22, but i can change the port to somthing else..
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14:57<ompaul>mmf have you access to a box on the internet?
14:57<wols_>mff: using a portscanner from your LAN is useless
14:57<wols_>mff: and there is not a port to "open" but to forward. different thing
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14:59<ompaul>mmf it might be called nat on your router, whatever it is, it needs to say "lan ip" 22 inside <--Router hardware--> 22 outside
14:59<wols_>mff: I can connect to your IP at port 22 just fine. works as it should and there is a ssh running
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15:00<mff>wols_: ok.. =) then i have som problem with my connection, thnx :)
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15:00<wols_>mff: no. it's your router that is shit. typical for around 90% or so fo consumer routers
15:01<wols_>get a linux based one
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15:01<mff>when i know enough i can set one up.. but for now im to new to this. =)
15:01<ompaul>mff: IT IS SET UP
15:02<wols_>it's better to have a router be a dedicated device. not your debian desktop doing it
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15:03<mff>ok. thnx for the help :)
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15:08<mff>wols_: was thinking of one other computer dedicated to it.. but i saw netger and linksys have linux routers..
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15:08<mff>linux based maybe i should say :)
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15:18<cavefish>hey i'am running debian in parallels 6 and was wondering if anyone else had network problems / slow connections?
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15:19<jhutchins_lt>dondelelcaro: dpkg does not return useful info (probably the wrong factoid) for "apache-ssl"
15:19<ompaul>cavefish: no idea what parallels is, I can say I get good though put on my office gig network.
15:19<dpkg>[sv] a Perl "scalar value" in C <-> Perl glue code - also SV. Swedish's alpha-2 ISO 639 code. It is not <subversion>.
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15:24<dinus>Suggestion for configuration of Debian-Live : /Application/System Tools/New Login is executing gdmflexiserver -but this is loccking the screen where it is invoked - but root and user don't have a passwd - so it is better to execute gdmflexserver -l -- this is not locking a screen
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16:14<Nikola>hi guys can somebody help me with my graphic card problem
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16:16<wols_>actually state your problem, don't just ask for generic help
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16:16<Nikola>sorry for that i'm actually fix that before 1 minutes
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16:45<lzamparo>hi folks, I'm trying to recompile the python debian package from the source package, does anyone know how to add some new make configure options?
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16:49<jhutchins_lt>lzamparo: There's probably a better way to accomplish whatever you're trying to do.
16:51<lzamparo>jutchins_lt: I need a version of python that works properly with gdb macros, and I'd rather not install another parallel verison of debian since the software I'm debugging depends on 2.6.6; re-installing 2.6.6 from source (build with the flags I need) makes the most sense.
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16:54<Freddy105>quick help X11forwarding, with regular user it works, with sudo application it returns: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: localhost:10.0
16:54<Freddy105>what did I miss in the configuration?
16:54<Black_Prince>Never use sudo to start graphical application as root.
16:55<Black_Prince>Use gksu or gksudo
16:55<lzamparo>Freddy105: probaby setting the DISPLAY environment var
16:55<jhutchins_lt>We'll tell you why that's happening if you'll promise not to do it.
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16:56<Freddy105>Black_Prince: ok, why?
16:57<Freddy105>jhutchins_lt: I don't know if I understood, but ok, go ahead
16:57<Black_Prince>gksu(do) transfers variables that are necesary for graphical environment. sudo does not do that.
16:58<jhutchins_lt>Freddy105: It's because your local screen is not owned by root, it's owned by the user logged in. When you run something in sudo, it runs as root, and root doesn't have access to your screen.
16:58<jhutchins_lt>Freddy105: What application are you trying to run remotely? A file manager?
16:59<lzamparo>Freddy105: this link (& comments) may help:
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17:00<Freddy105>jhutchins_lt: well I meant to open virt-manager
17:01<Freddy105>Black_Prince: tried gksu and my system became really slow. :P
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17:02<Black_Prince>I don't blame it :P
17:03<Freddy105>Black_Prince: apparently it works, but it is now asking for a password
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17:03<Black_Prince>gksudo uses sudo as backend.
17:03<Black_Prince>gksu uses su as backend (by default)
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17:05<Black_Prince>You can change backend of gksu by typing gksu-properties ... (if you wish to use sudo as backend with gksu) ... how complicated :/
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17:09<Freddy105>ok, my system freezes for a bit, but in the end all is well, it works :)
17:09<Freddy105>maybe forwarding a graphical application, trough ssh, over vpn on a weak internet connection is not thar good
17:09<Freddy105>anyway, I appreciated very much all the help
17:09<Freddy105>thanks Black_Prince, jhutchins_lt and lzamparo
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17:10<lzamparo>sooo, anyone know how to add a couple of simple configure flags to a debian source package?
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17:11<Black_Prince>DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS += insertthemhere ...
17:11<htcwild>somebody just do me a favour and wget this url, what do you see, a "1" or a "0" ??
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17:12<Black_Prince>lzamparo, I suggest you ask in #debian-mentors ... They will tell you why that isn't a good idea.
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17:17<babilen>lzamparo: I would strongly recommend to install your Python version to /usr/local and manage module installation with virtualenvs and pip
17:19<babilen>lzamparo: And what are you actually trying to do?
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17:19<babilen>lzamparo: You know about python-dbg don't you?
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17:29<lzamparo>babilen: I'm trying to debug a hung process that results from a python extension; I'd like to inspect the python stack at the point it seems to hang, but can't figure out how to do this other than attaching the thread to gdb
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17:30<Black_Prince>judd, info python-dbg
17:30<judd>Package python-dbg (debug, extra) in squeeze/i386: debug build of the Python Interpreter (version 2.6). Version: 2.6.6-3+squeeze6; Size: 1.0k; Installed: 36k; Homepage:
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17:43<joshritger>I just installed the most recent stable version of debian with gnome 2 and for some reason when ever I try to click on an app that requires root I get an error that reads "Failed to execute child process "su-to-root" (No such file or directory)" how do I fix this?
17:44<Black_Prince>yikes ...
17:44<Black_Prince>joshritger, install menu package. (I still wonder why such bugs aren't fixed. I reported same one with synaptic nearly half a year ago)
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17:45<joshritger>will try
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17:45<Black_Prince>joshritger, try not. do, or do not.
17:46<joshritger>Black_Prince: am doing right now
17:46<joshritger>brb, have to restart to test
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17:46<Black_Prince>Don't ..
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17:50<joshritger>Black_Prince: seems to be working now, thanks
17:50<Black_Prince>you welcome.
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17:56<jaco>how can i change: User set screen size larger than max screen size??
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18:27<scisteffan>Hi, just a quick question: I have kernel source, but I want to build it with xen.. how do I do this?
18:27<lindi->scisteffan: what are you trying to do?
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18:33<scisteffan>lindi- I want to upgrade kernel to 2.6.39 to apply a patch for a xen bugfix, because it fails to load x properly - I have the kernel ready but want to build it with xen. If this doesn't work, I will try removing the nvidia driver
18:34<aiwass>hi, how can i manually start notification-daemon, since no notifications are working after i made some upgrades? notify-send won;t show any notification
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18:34<lindi->scisteffan: so you are talking about dom0 now?
18:35<lindi->scisteffan: I run squeeze with Xorg in dom0 with linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 2.6.32-35 -- what bug is it?
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18:35<lindi->aiwass: you are now probably 20th person to ask about that :)
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18:36<hoaxblades>no channel list?
18:36<scisteffan> scroll to "Dom0 console doesn't show any output and remains blank"
18:37<lindi->scisteffan: does that bug affect 2.6.32?
18:37<hoaxblades>xserver 1.1 upgrade bricked my graphics, even the nvidia "compatible" drivers dont work
18:37<aiwass>never read an answer. just that the problem was fixed by upgrading to 0.7.1-15. i did same thing, and still nothing
18:37<aiwass>sry, 0.7.1-5
18:38<scisteffan>lindi - yes, if it's not an nvidia driver problem..
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18:39<hoaxblades>anyone? i have homework to do and i can't :(
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18:39<scisteffan>I mean: yes it does, but in my case it could be nvidia problem
18:39<XayOn>hoaxblades: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep EE
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18:39<XayOn>and see what it says
18:40<hoaxblades>absolutely nothing.. just went back to the next line thing
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18:42<zykotick9>XayOn, i think you meant "grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log". hoaxblades
18:43<hoaxblades>"Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
18:43<hoaxblades>"No drivers available"
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18:46<hoaxblades>but the drivers either install and do nothing or dont install claiming something about doesnt work with kernel 3.0+
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18:47<XayOn>zykotick9: Yep, sorry xD
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18:49<hoaxblades>please help? :(
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19:00<Black_Prince>hoaxblades, is your nvidia driver upgraded/installed? -dkms package installed?
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19:01<hoaxblades>yeah i had version 280.13 on it
19:01<hoaxblades>it wasnt compatible with the new version of xserver i guess?
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19:01<Black_Prince>Define HAD
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19:02<Black_Prince>You had it, but you removed it?
19:02<hoaxblades>remove in order to put on version 270.30 which claimed compatiblity
19:02<Black_Prince>And do you have 270.30?
19:02<hoaxblades>and then 270.30 only works with kernel 2.4 or 2.6
19:02<hoaxblades>so no it wont install becuase i have kernel 3.0
19:03<Black_Prince>Well that is the problem. You don't have nvidia driver, but you have your xorg.conf or somefile.conf in /etc/xorg/xorg.conf.d to load nvidia driver.
19:03<Black_Prince>The error clearly states "Failed to load module "nvidia"" ... which you removed.
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19:04<hoaxblades>... even if i reinstall version 28.013 it doesnt load graphically
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19:04<Black_Prince>hoaxblades, ...
19:05<lindi->scisteffan: ok, I have intel so I'm probably safe :)
19:06<lindi->scisteffan: there's enough QA work required for xen support in official packages so I'm not terribly thrilled about trying xen with some custom kernel
19:06<lordmadnes>how can i install a debian amd64 bitn in a virtualbox 4.2 ?
19:07<lordmadnes>i have vbox 64 bit
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19:08<lordmadnes>and my debian is 64 bit, but i can't install cause vbox say this kernel ia a x86_64 CPU but only detect i686
19:08<daemonkeeper>lindi-: As of 3.0, dom0 support is usable out of the box in the vanilla kernel.
19:08<hoaxblades>thanks for the temp fix Black_Prince !!! :D
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19:29<r0ger>i installed a range of ipv6 addresses allocated to me on my server and it takes literally 60-120 seconds for aptitude update to connect to, though ping6 reports 83ms latency
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19:29<r0ger>is there a way to test using ipv4 without removing the v6 ips to make sure it's not like that with the ipv4 addresses as well or what should i do to test this?
19:30<r0ger>Fetched 11.7 MB in 6min 0s (32.4 kB/s) <- that's discouraging when it's a 100mbit connection
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19:49<scisteffan>how do undo this action? m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source Is it "m-a purge --force nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source"?
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19:51<chealer>scisteffan: no. that does several things. why would you want to undo it?
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19:55<scisteffan>chealer: I'm experimenting with a stock kernel with xen and running xen. After I installed this kernel, I could boot into it, but after adding nvidia non-free drivers using above command, xorg would not start
19:55<scisteffan>I changed xorg.conf to use nv driver, but still x would not start. I get a black screen
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19:59<wea0>Hello, I am experiencing slow USB transfer speed (~1MB/s). The storage device is capable of much higher speed. Any ideas what I could do?
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20:01<nevyn>wea0: use a usb2 port on your machine?
20:02<chealer>scisteffan: most likely the problem happens because X is configured to use the nvidia driver, you just need to undo that
20:03<wea0>nevyn: According to the spec sheet this laptop has only usb 2.0 ports.
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20:04<nevyn>wea0: have you plugged the drive in since booting?
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20:04<wea0>Doesn't matter whether is was already plugged during boot or not.
20:05<nevyn>it makes a difference to where in the dmesg the stuff about it is
20:05<nevyn>if you boot the box then plug it in it's in the last 20 lines or so.
20:05<nevyn>if you plug it in then boot the box the device is enumerated when ehci initialises
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20:06<wea0>What I meant is that it is always slow, no matter when I plug it. Relevant dmesg is here:
20:09<okeey>Hey everyone! I have a small question regarding exim/smtp. I've done a new clean installation of Debian squeeze, and now I'm trying to remove stuff I dont need. I've done some reading regarding exim4, and after what I can understand the exim4 runs a mailserver on port 25. However exim4 is a MTA, which is required for stuff like cron? As I am never going to use the machine as a mail server I
20:09<okeey>thought it would be okay to remove the smtp service.
20:09<Black_Prince>dpkg, why a mta
20:09<dpkg>An MTA should be on most Unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of MySQL). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. See also <nullmailer>.
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20:10<okeey>What is right in this case, and is it in any case possible just to remove the smtp service?
20:10<Black_Prince>It won't hurt if you have it installed. You can always disable listening on network ips
20:11<okeey>where can I configure that? Do you know what file?
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20:12<okeey>dpkg, nullmailer
20:12<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, nullmailer is a minimal <MTA> for hosts which just sends directly to smart relays, packaged for Debian. Does not support /etc/aliases; define a catch-all alias in /etc/nullmailer/adminaddr instead, see adminaddr(5). See also <ssmtp>.
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20:19<okeey>I was also wondering whether it may be smart to block icmp in the iptables - which makes the machine unpingable. But may there be other drawbacks?
20:19<Black_Prince>okeey, exim has configuration file in which you can disable it listening on ip's ...
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20:23<okeey>dpkg, icmp
20:23<dpkg>i heard icmp is Internet Control Message Protocol. or DO NOT BLOCK ALL ICMP or someone will thwack you and you will have deserved it., or use --state RELATED in iptables to selectively block and still have legal icmps pass
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20:31<scisteffan>chealer: great, that had a positive effect (nv driver) by allowing kdm to load, but the dom0 machine after loading kdm goes to a shell login prompt. kdm works fine when xen is not running..
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20:35<anndruu12>anyone that runs debian under QEMU? Is there a way to keep the screen from blacking out when it sits idle for a couple minutes?
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20:37<dpkg>To configure the screen-blanker for virtual (text) consoles, use the setterm(1) utility or edit /etc/console-tools/config for permanent changes. To configure the X screen-blanker and screen power management settings, use the xset(1) utility or set the appropriate options in xorg.conf; see "man xorg.conf | less +/^SERVERFLAGS".
20:38<lindi->or if you use a desktop system you use System->Preferences->Screensaver
20:39<anndruu12>thank ya much guys
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20:47<kingsley>Does anyone here happen to know if a package replaced the one named "limo", which is like "ls" on steroids? (limo was removed from most unstable architectures).
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20:50<Black_Prince>"ls" on steroids? Did it also went to a gym?
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21:04<wea0>Hello, I am experiencing slow USB transfer speed (~1MB/s) on a USB 2.0 port. The storage device is capable of much higher speed. Any ideas what I could do? dmesg:
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21:05<nevyn>wea0: have you checked that it's being assigned to the EHCI controller correctly I can't see that in your dmesg
21:06<wea0>How to check? This is all that appears when plugging in a device.
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21:17<wea0>nevyn: There is no mention of ehci is the whole dmesg. But the ehci_hcd module is loaded.
21:18<nevyn>wea0: look at lspci
21:19<wea0>00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #1 (rev 04)
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21:19<nevyn>that's not a usb2 controller
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21:20<wea0>There are 4 of those and no other usb controllers.
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21:23<wea0>I haven't used this laptop for some time, so there is a slight chance that I might be wrong here, but as far as I can remember the hardware is fully usb 2.0 capable and I do not recall ever having such slow usb speeds.
21:24<wea0>I would think that this is purely a software problem.
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21:27<nevyn>you need an EHCI controller for usb2
21:27<nevyn>OHCI and UHCI are usb 1.1
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21:33<nevyn>!tell okeey about help
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21:41<wea0>OK I'm gonna get Windows and see what that has to say about the hardware.
21:41<wea0>See you tomorrow maybe.
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21:59<AtaraxiaRS>What's a good program for unrar-ing files on Squeeze?
22:00<dpkg>Roshal ARchive (RAR) is a proprietary archive format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz. To extract, use either "rar", "unrar" or "p7zip-rar" in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" in main cannot extract RAR3 archives. The rar package can create archives, but costs money (see the license). Install libclamunrar6 (non-free) for support in ClamAV.
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22:22<Onryo_>Is there anyway to install testing/wheezy without getting hit with Iceweasels problems?
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22:23<Onryo_>little debugging and you see that uses sysems from gnome-vfs. Its depended on gnome-vfs. This is REALLY lame since all these features should be from libgio and not deprecated gnome-vfs!
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22:25<nik_>please tell me someone else's network has been cutting out
22:26<nik_>I'm so annoyed
22:26<Onryo_>Anybody been able to get a testing/wheezy box up in the last 2 weeks or so?
22:26<nik_>it's not my ISP, other devices get connection when this computer doesn't
22:26<Onryo_>nik did you pay your internet bill
22:26<nik_>it just periodically cuts out
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22:27<Onryo_>Do you have a dynamic line?
22:27<nik_>a dynamic IP?
22:27<nik_>i dont think so
22:27<nik_>this just started happening
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22:28<Guest8072>Evening folks
22:28<Onryo_>Try disabling ipv6. Not only will you get better net performence but it might help.
22:29<nik_>where do I do that?
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22:29<nik_>ipv6 is on ignore
22:31<Onryo_>nik_ sry had as smoke. If you get a 0 then your ipv6 is enabled cat /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6
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22:32<Onryo_>Not to mention there are privacy issues with ipv6 that make is sick
22:33<nik_>one sec
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22:33<nik_>i have a 0
22:34<nik_>I see
22:34<nik_>is that what would cause the problem?>
22:34<Onryo_>OK its enabled. To turn it off just go into /etc/sysctl.conf
22:34<Onryo_>Then add this at the end #disable ipv6
22:34<Onryo_>net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1
22:34<Onryo_>net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6 = 1
22:34<Onryo_>net.ipv6.conf.lo.disable_ipv6 = 1
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22:36<Onryo_>sry about that I got kicked
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22:37<Onryo_>nik_ I tripped the flood thing. Did you get what I pasted?
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22:38<nik_>do you think that will fix it?
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22:39<Onryo_>nik_ might but it wont hurt. It should even speed up your Internet. I also use macchanger a lot and that does not work with ipv6
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22:39<nik_>do I need #s before each line?
22:40<Onryo_>nik_ No just do this sudo nano /etc/sysctl.conf
22:41<nik_>I know
22:41<nik_>okay it's done
22:41<nik_>hopefully it will work?
22:41<nik_>I'll let you know if it cuts out, thanks for the help :)
22:41<Onryo_>Then test to see if you get a 1 and not a zero.
22:41<Onryo_>cat /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6
22:43<Onryo_>ahh right you need to reboot!
22:43<nik_>good point
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22:44<rjsalts>can't you echo 1 to it?
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22:46<nik_>yep, it's 1 now
22:46<Onryo_>lets hope this helps out
22:47<nik_>I'm going to try some network file transfers, it usually cuts out when I do that
22:48<Onryo_>rjsalts yeah he could have done it like this too echo "net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1" | sudo tee -a /etc/sysctl.conf etc
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22:58<nik_>yeah I just timed out again..
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23:01<Flakk>Hi people. I have a question which is not really debian-specific but maybe smb would be willing to help. How can ne configure the Epiphany browser so that it would not prompt me with the sites? I know how to do it with firefox, but this trick does ot wor for epiphany
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23:02<nik_>why dont you just use firefox
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23:05<txrugger86>is anyone talking?
23:05<nik_>god damn this network
23:05<txrugger86>wtf is the point of logging on and not talkin?
23:05<txrugger86>emo irc?
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23:06<nik_>when you aren't here we roleplay
23:06<txrugger86>no umadbro
23:06<bones_was_here>txrugger86: you new bro
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23:06<ima>Hey there, I just did an update and I am unable to install nvidia-glx due to broken dependencies
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23:06<txrugger86>yea i r n00b
23:07<bones_was_here>txrugger86: with irc, many people leave their client connected 24/7, or otherwise for long periods, even when there's nothing to say
23:07<bones_was_here>otherwise, how would they know when someone did say something?
23:07<ima>also, the nvidia-installer SIGTERMs after accepting the license
23:07<txrugger86>makes sense i guess
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23:09<txrugger86>i assume there is a way to connect to multiple ircs?
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23:10<ima>txrugger86: depends on the client you're using
23:10<bones_was_here>but then, people join, say hi, nobody responds inside of 30 seconds, so they leave again
23:11<bones_was_here>its unfortunate, but difficult to prevent
23:11<txrugger86>when people start talking about computer software problems i usually clam up so as to not screw them up anymore or sound dumb
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23:13<nik_>so I know that my network cut-outs are debian related because on my windows partition it doesn't happen
23:14<nik_>:( my drivers are stable..
23:14<nik_>what else should I check
23:14<ima>xserver-xorg-video-nvidia depends on xorg-video-abi-10 but it is currently not installable
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23:17<nik_>what command shows me my hardware?
23:17<nik_>ethernet drivers and stuff
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23:19<Onryo_>nik_ was doing some coding. You still having problems?
23:19<Onryo_>nik_ I like lshw
23:19<nik_>command not found...?
23:19<nik_>yeah it timed out while transferring a file
23:20<Onryo_>nik_ ahhh right this is Debian. But it comes with most other dists ie ubuntu
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23:20<Onryo_>just aptitude install lshw = list hardware
23:20<chealer>nik_: depends on your Ethernet card. probably lspci
23:21<nik_>ahh thats better
23:21<Onryo_>you get that massive list =)
23:21<ima>how often are the unstable repositories updated?
23:22<Onryo_>ima all the freaking time .... brake brake brake stuff =)
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23:23<nik_>well I know my card name but what do you think I could check to see if the driver is updated or old or whatever
23:23<Onryo_>nik_ what card do you have again?
23:24<nik_>it's a new one, Centrino Advanced-N 6205
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23:25<Onryo_>nik_ is that the 2.4 and 5GHz puppy from Intel?
23:26<nik_>uhh I think so
23:26<nik_>not sure
23:27<Onryo_>nik_ Are you using some kind of FOSS drivers or the "real" intel ones?
23:27<ima>Do the noveau drivers support recent OpenGL stuff? (3.2+)
23:27<nik_>define real?
23:27<nik_>im using iwlwifi
23:27<Onryo_>nik_ well a binary from intel =)
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23:28<nik_>oh wait apparently iwlwifi is only for up to 5000 cards?
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23:29<Onryo_>I keep away from blob firmware like fat chicks but when I read something as fancy as your card...well.
23:30<nik_>I guess I just have to wait until it gets released?
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23:30<Onryo_>That looks kind of spiffy and new nik_
23:31<nik_>it does
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23:32<Onryo_>Anyway I got to hit the sack. Its about bed time 5:30am. Been a long night of programing. All the best
23:32<nik_>alright, thank you :)
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