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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-09-05

---Logopened Mon Sep 05 00:00:04 2011
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00:04<aussa>is this /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ the same as this /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ that last folder already exists and has some conf files for other things?
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00:34<Luminous>So I used unetbootin to install Debian on a computer, but it defaulted to the KDE desktop. Is there a transitional package somewhere to install all of the Gnome applications?
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00:36<sney>!install gnome
00:36<dpkg>To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome
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00:40<ima>What's a good backup tool for debian?
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00:41<amitz>duplicity? rsnapshot? each has... features.
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00:42<sney>rdiff-backup is nice
00:44<ima>Well I just want a simple way to go back to a time I've chosen to backup in case stuff breaks.
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00:54<eric>hi
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00:54<sney>hi
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00:55<boogzta>ello
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00:55<eric>what up
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00:55<boogzta>nada, you?
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00:55<eric>not a thing
00:56<boogzta>Just installed Ubuntu 11, trying out this IRC client
00:56<eric>same
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00:56<eric>i like it
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00:57<boogzta>Yeah, same here. It's really nice
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00:57<eric>yes
00:57<boogzta>I haven't used IRC in years lol
00:57<eric>this ie
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00:58<sney>boogzta, eric can you make your way to the ubuntu channel now?
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00:58<eric>this is my frist time irc
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00:58<sney>!ubuntuirc
00:58<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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00:58<boogzta>Sure, Sney. My apologies for getting off topic.
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00:59<eric>ok
00:59<boogzta>eric, just type /j #ubuntu
00:59<boogzta>see you there
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01:06<kop>zeus: To fix your problem you'd use resize2fs to shrink the fs and then a partition tool to shrink the partition. (You could also, very carefully, destroy and then re-create the partition.)
01:07<chealer>aussa: it's not the same, but related
01:07<kop>zeus: I believe you could predict the problem by careful examination of the partition boundaries. (But it all depends on what, exactly, the problem is.) Then you could fix per above before upgrade.
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01:07<IsoPop>anyone have suggestions on gui'd Xen management tool?
01:07<chealer>aussa: /usr/share/ contains files shipped by packages, /etc contains system configuration
01:08<aussa>ok
01:08<kop>zeus: And of course you could destroy the partion and it's fs and make a new one and reload from backup.
01:08<aussa>ty
01:08<chealer>customization, even
01:08<kop>!tell aussa about fhs
01:08<eric>hi
01:09<eric>ubuntu
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01:10<eric>any grils
01:10<IsoPop>Eric lets keep it on topic thanks.
01:10<eric>ok
01:10<kop>dpkg, ubuntuirc eric
01:10<dpkg>eric: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
01:11<IsoPop>Kop: thanks.
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01:12<eric>ying thanks
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01:14<Luminous>gdm3 is only for gnome 3 correct?
01:15<Luminous>gdm is for gnome 2.x?
01:15<ima>No
01:16<Luminous>Reason I'm asking is I installed Debian from the netinstall, and it defaulted to KDE, so I'm converting it over to the default Gnome install, which is Gnome 2.X, and upon installing gdm it wants to know whether I want to use gdm or gdm3
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01:18<ima>Luminous, it should have installed gdm3 if you had chosen gnome, so I think you should be safe going with gdm3
01:18<Luminous>k, thanks
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01:19<Luminous>Yeah I just noticed that on this machine, my laptop which defaulted to Gnome, it's using gdm3, :p
01:20<robertf>hello
01:21<robertf>i have two sound cards, how to change the default sound card?
01:22<robertf>i use debian squeeze
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01:25<Luminous>robertf: http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#Troubleshooting
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01:28<robertf>Luminous: is it possible to change as a normal user?
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01:31<robertf>/etc/asound.conf doesn't exist
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02:21<aussa>wols: I created /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf with its code, and failed to start X again :S
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03:22<mike__>MY TEXT IS REALLY SMALL
03:22<mike__>what do i do ???? help\
03:23<mike__>appearance setting does nothing
03:23<mike__>certain programs
03:23<mike__>xchat being one, the software centre being another
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03:23<mike__>the window in the middle everything is tiny
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03:25<ComradeHaz`>mike__: kde or gnome?
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03:26<mike__>gnome
03:26<mike__>so tiny
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03:27<mike__>the crazy thing is where i am typing the size is good
03:27<mike__>its the actual window of the channel
03:27<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, there does not seem to be a #debian-gnome (there is a #debian-kde), perhaps just try in #gnome over on freenode
03:27<mike__>basically unreadable
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03:27<mike__>ok
03:27<ComradeHaz`>(I use kde and am a total noob with even that, I'm afraid)
03:28<ComradeHaz`>You've got a while until our US brothers wake up :)
03:28<mike__>i can barely read
03:28<mike__>i have to paste down below
03:28<mike__>aight
03:28<ComradeHaz`>hehe, sounds bizare
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03:28<ComradeHaz`>I imagine it's something to do with your dpi setting
03:29<ComradeHaz`>but I have no idea how you mess with it
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03:45<zaba141>Hello
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03:57<robertf>Hello. I need help. I have two sound cards. How to change the default sound card
03:58<robertf>sometimes, i want to use the headset
03:58<robertf>it's in usb
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04:04<afuentes>hi, debian wheezy here. ive got some packages problem. Can anybody help me? --> http://paste.debian.net/128450/
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04:47<_Qman>Hello is map_static not supported by nfs-kernel-server anymore?
04:47<_Qman>exportfs: /etc/exports:3: unknown keyword "map_static=/etc/nfs_mapping/intranet.map"
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05:27<dirichlet>save
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05:33<xbayrockx>hey would someone be able to tell me the difference between the NUL characters in this txt editor and a new line? When is a new line being generater ? http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/unledbkq.jpg/
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05:35<themill>xbayrockx: randomly asking in as many unrelated channels as possible is not going to get you the answer
05:35<xbayrockx>Incorrect.
05:35<xbayrockx>but thankyou
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05:39<Black_Prince>*cough*
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06:10<__Alex_>I just changed my BIOS time to
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06:10<__Alex_>UTC, how to i set it in debian, so i can have displayed Local time?
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06:11<__Alex_>Simply put: How do i tell my Debian box i no longer use Local time?
06:12<amphi>__Alex_: just set your timezone
06:13<themill>__Alex_: and also check /etc/default/rcS
06:13<amphi>__Alex_: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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06:38<ComradeHaz`>Hey all, having some problem with high io by kswapd0 as per: ¦ 22 be/4 root 0.00 B/s 32.83 M/s 0.00 % 0.00 % [kswapd0] Also, I am getting log entries such as Sep 5 10:59:41 Hades udevd[29351]: failed to execute '/lib/udev/dmsetup_env' '/lib/udev/dmsetup_env 253 9': No such file or directory . I don't know if the two issues are at all connected but would appreciate some advice....
06:38<ComradeHaz`>... on solving them, particularly the fomer.
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06:39<ompaul>I'm not sure what way to even think of this problem. I have a multiuser box every person on the machine will have a common file foo.
06:40<ompaul>foo will live in different directories for each user.
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06:40<ompaul>I want to copy that file foo, oh I should have said different dot directories so .bar/some random stuff/foo
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06:40<ompaul>to the ~ of each user
06:41<ompaul>any suggestions on that little bit of insanity, oh for good measure there are lots of empty directories in the /home/ space
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06:41<ComradeHaz`>Oh, it's worth mentioning, there is RAM free.
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06:43<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: eh, what version of debian?
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06:44<ComradeHaz`>'Unstable', but actually, it is concievable it is running short of ram. I was just doing what I usually do and ignored the cache value, but I'm running a large copy job, so I probably cannot discount that on this occasion
06:45<ComradeHaz`>Does that sound reasonable?
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06:45<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: what does free say and yes it does sound reasonable that you are running out of ram
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06:46<ComradeHaz`>Mem: 2060736 1960072 100664 0 234948 755696
06:46<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: kswapd0 writes to virtual memory stuff you have accessed recently if your file is big enough it is going to cause a lot of flushing
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06:46<ComradeHaz`>files. over a TB of them
06:47<ComradeHaz`>Reason I'm watching it is because I'm trying to get my software RAID running as best I can
06:47<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: of course it is going to be busy
06:47<ComradeHaz`>Performance is not my main priority, but obviously want it as good as I can get it.
06:47*ompaul hands ComradeHaz` the obvious hat championship hat
06:47<ComradeHaz`>;D
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06:48<ComradeHaz`>I didn't expect it to waste time writing to swap stuff it only needs to copy from one drive to the other
06:48<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: sometimes in life we are better off just accepting that the machine is busy and does not have as much free space as we would like
06:48<ComradeHaz`>especially as the swap is on the raid it's copying from.
06:49*ComradeHaz` visualises his r/w heads and feels sorry for them
06:49<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: go read about virtual memory and how it is handled to explain to you why it is you see such use
06:49<ComradeHaz`>Or is it not as bad as that?
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06:49<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: it's busy as hell in there - you are belting around a TB of data what do you expect
06:50<ComradeHaz`>well, not to copy it twice ;)
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06:50<ompaul>that is not what is happening go look at how VM is handled
06:50<ComradeHaz`>Ah, ok
06:50<ComradeHaz`>I'll do that when I have my lunch :)
06:50*ompaul tries to find a nice way to say I'm screwed by my own problem
06:50<ComradeHaz`>A little light entertainment for me :)
06:51<ComradeHaz`>Hehe
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06:51<ComradeHaz`>I wish I could help, pal xD
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06:51<ComradeHaz`>I know a man who probably could, but he's not about
06:51<ComradeHaz`>Either that or he's hiding from me ;)
06:52<red>hiis this thing wotking?
06:52<ompaul>file foo living /home/user/.bar/some random stuff goes here/foo - I want to copy them all to /home/user
06:52<ompaul>red: no it is however, working! ;-)
06:52<red>lol
06:52<red>ok kool
06:53<ompaul>lovely I have a two brain cells that collided I was over complicating the problem
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06:53<red>question the site audiobooks dont work on ubuntu is there ny way i can make it or hear the books?
06:53<ComradeHaz`>ompaul: I was about to say
06:54<ComradeHaz`>Can't you just find and then pipe that into a cp
06:54<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: you don't want to run find over this much data
06:54<ComradeHaz`>Ah, fair enough.
06:54<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: well maybe you do, I certainly don't
06:54<ComradeHaz`>xD
06:54<ComradeHaz`>But I have a vedetta against my HDD's ;)
06:55<ompaul>red: ask in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net I guess
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06:55<red>ok thank you so much
06:55<ComradeHaz`>lol
06:55<ComradeHaz`>Why do so many people end up here with ubuntu questions?
06:56<ompaul>I hear they open xchat it has irc.debian above irc.ubuntu etc
06:56<ComradeHaz`>I can understand people doing it the other way as their channel is more likely to be full, but coming here is odd
06:56<ompaul>which of course arrive on the wrong server and channel combination
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06:56<ComradeHaz`>lol
06:56<ComradeHaz`>Great.
06:56*ComradeHaz` has never opened xchat
06:57<ompaul>it is rather nice with a great scripting api
06:57<ompaul>currently irssi and konversation at home but then I have kde love
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06:59<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: running locate in a script (and yes I know that is just a proxy for find but the way updatedb is run on the box once an hour to catch changes
06:59<ompaul>i.e. new files
06:59<ompaul>and so on
06:59<ompaul>I could use other stuff but meh
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07:01<ComradeHaz`>ompaul: yup, makes sense.
07:01<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, isn't updatedb just as hungry as funning a find -r?
07:02<ComradeHaz`>*running
07:02<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: think of it like this if you run it very often it takes a lot less energy to run
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07:02<ComradeHaz`>Oh, does it indeed? I didn't realise that
07:03<ComradeHaz`>How does that work then?
07:03<ComradeHaz`>Where does it get info about changes from?
07:03<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: never read enough docs on it, but I know this, first updatedb with a full file system takes ages, do it again almost an hour later and it flies
07:04<ComradeHaz`>I like the sound of this. So run it as 'me' or as root?
07:04<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: lazy testing is lazy
07:04<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: I do it in a cron job
07:04<ompaul>as root
07:05<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: and don't do it while you are doing your current copy
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07:05<ComradeHaz`>hmm, cool, I will look at doing that too
07:05<ComradeHaz`>haha
07:05<ComradeHaz`>I won't xD
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07:37<tecno-java>hello
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07:40<wp>quick Q. if i have a kernel package installed via 2.6.specific version and i then install 2.6 meta package for latest kernel, how do i then remove kernel package relating to specific version?
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07:44<catsup>just remove the package with apt-get remove
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07:44<catsup>or aptitude, w/e
07:45<wp>catsup: even if im using that kernel and the 2.6 meta package points to the same kernel?
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07:46<catsup>well don't remove the kernel you're using
07:46<catsup>how will the system boot?
07:46<themill>wp: so what kernel package did you install then? the output of "aptitude versions ~nlinux-image~i" might be useful
07:46<spacefish>hello, if i have coded a webinterface for a dns daemon, which is already in debian and want to get my code into the debian reposity, what do i have to do?
07:46<catsup>removing the package will remove the meta package if necessary
07:46<catsup>but... you do need a kernel... and you should not remove a kernel unless you are already using another different one
07:46<wols>!tell spacefish about nmg
07:47<spacefish>new maintainer guide?
07:47<catsup>spacefish: there is a channel on oftc #debian-mentors specifically for questions about this issue
07:47<spacefish>ok thanks!
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07:48<wp>themill: linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 via squeeze backports but i also installed linux-image-2.6-amd64 meta package so i get a more recent one if a more recent one appears
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07:49<wp>my question is shoudl i now remove the former?
07:49<wols>since you apparently want a backports kernel for some reason, you shouldn't remove it
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07:50<themill>wp: it would be easier if you provided real output rather than filtering it for us.
07:50<wp>wols: need it for hardware support that it has for my laptop
07:50<wp>themill: i'll run that command for you
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07:51<wp>themill: it shows exactly what i wrote above
07:51<themill>it does not.
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07:52<wp>themill: i 2.6.39+35.1~bpo60+1 squeeze-backports 100
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07:52<wp>themill: i A 2.6.39-3~bpo60+1 squeeze-backports 100
07:52<wp>thats it
07:53<SynrG>if your question is "how do i remove an *earlier* specific kernel after upgrading to the latest" the answer is simply:
07:53<SynrG>remove it
07:53<themill>wp: that is not the entire output. Please stick the entire output in a pastebin.
07:53<SynrG>since the metapackage depends on the latest, removing the earlier one will not break it
07:53<wp>themill: will do..
07:53<SynrG>can we move on? this one is getting boring :)
07:53<themill>SynrG: depending on whether the metapackage is also from bpo or if it's from squeeze... and we can't find that output until we actually get some real output...
07:54<SynrG>oh, very well. i will just sit and sip my coffee, then :)
07:54<SynrG>you can do the tooth extraction
07:55<wp>themill: https://paste.debian.net/128475/
07:56<themill>wp: removing your old kernel won't remove the metapackage in that case.
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07:57<wp>themill: super. i only installed the meta package because i thought that if a newer kernel appears then i'll be prompted when i update my packages.
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07:57<wp>is that what the meta package is for?
07:58<themill>yes
07:58<wp>because at the moment i have to use some hand compiled driver module and so when 3 appears in backports... i'd like to grab it and use that. since it has native support. and i can ditch the third party modules
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08:01<wp>themill: if i try and do apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 it wants to remove the meta package also..
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08:01<themill>why are you trying to remove the newer kernel that you want?
08:01<wp>the following packages will be removed: linux-image-2.6-amd64 linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64
08:03<wp>themill: if you have the meta package do you see the name of the meta package AND the name of the specific package in normal circumstances?
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08:03<themill>they are two separate packages. If you list the packages that are installed, you will see both of them
08:04<wp>themill: OK. well i installed the specific package. i then installed the meta package. i then thought that since the meta one provides the same kernel i should delte the specific package. it may well be that i in fact need to do nothing..?
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08:05<themill>correct. metapackages don't provide anything, they only cause other packages to be installed. Take a look at the list of files installed with "dpkg -L packagename"
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08:06<wp>themill: in that case i don't need to do anything :) thanks
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08:09<wp>is there a recommendation page on the debian site for people wanting to install on a 64 bit system? to advise on whether to install 32 bit or 64?
08:10<petemc>most of the problems are with non free software like flash and skype
08:10<wp>petemc: i meant to help decide whether to use a 32bit or 64bit debian system. as i have a 64bit computer but it only has 3g or RAM. so it may be slower to use 64?
08:11<petemc>probably not noticably if at all
08:11<wp>ok that's great. i dont' use flash and skype. flash is the work of Satan's sister
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08:21<EmleyMoor>Any Nokia N8 users about? If so, can it be used for Dial-up Networking over Bluetooth? (from a Debian box, of course)
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08:33<wols>EmleyMoor: supposedly working fine via "blueman"
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08:35<EmleyMoor>wols: Good - part of my N97 broke earlier and I am thinking about an N8 as a replacement
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08:39<wols>you want to buy nokia right now? after all this? :) get an android, root it and run openvpn on it :)
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08:40<daemonkeeper>You need to root Android to run OpenVPN
08:40<daemonkeeper></OT>
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08:43<wols>daemonkeeper: as I wrote. and you get around carrier restrictions which usually forbid usage of laptops with their plans
08:44<akerl>(until they catch you and charge huge fees (but again, OT))
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08:51<wols>akerl: he asked for usage with debian anyways, so your point is moot. unless you know a phone that connects to the network via BT and runs debian :)
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09:38<devil>!br
09:38<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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09:39<insigne>Brasil?
09:39<wols>!br
09:39<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:39<vidkun>what would be the preferred method of installing wheezy on a laptop, using a USB stick?
09:40<Sark>vidkun - you can boot the netinst image from a flash drive, and install the bulk of it over the network.
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09:40<wols>vidkun: installing squeeze by simply dd-ing the netinst ISO to the stick. installing debian and then upgrading to wheezy
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09:40<vidkun>wols: why take the roundabout over squeeze first?
09:41<wols>vidkun: no need to use the network at all with the netinst image. only the upgrade to wheezy needs the network. squeeze will be minimal, nothing except the netinst iso
09:41<wols>vidkun: only works if you use ethernet to connect to the internet tho
09:41<wols>cause wheezy installers have the habit of breaking. often
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09:43<vidkun>wols: which netinstall image would you recommend me using? there's a confusing jungle of them...
09:44<Sark>You need to use the one for your architecture.
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09:44<Sark>Is it an x86 laptop, or is it a 64 bit machine?
09:44<vidkun>Sark: x86
09:44<wols>there is only one squeeze netinstaller (for each arch)
09:44<wols>!netinst
09:44<dpkg>well, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
09:44<Sark>then use the i386 version
09:45<wols>you can also try the kmuto installer /msg dpkg kmuto if you want a newer kernel, e.g with a sandy bridge cpu
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09:47<vidkun>so, recommendation is to stay away from the wheezy installers?
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09:48<wols>yes. it can work, but no one guarantees it. and using squeeze installers with minimal install which you then upgrade is so easy and fast, there is no reason to not do it. at least if you want your installation to actually work :)
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09:49<vidkun>using minial squeeze netinstall will mean manually installing wireless, gnome etc. though?
09:49*sekt0r Hello, i'm using wheezy and trying to get virtualbox working on it. After the installation of virtualbox, he is asking me to install virtualbox-dkms package and execute 'modprobe vboxdrv' as root. But when i'm doing 'modprobe vboxdrv' he says 'FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found'. What can i do to fix it?
09:50<wols>sekt0r: where did you get your virtualbox from? vbox.org or debian repos?
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09:50*sekt0r wols: from debian repos
09:50<wols>vidkun: you can just run "tasksel" after you upgraded to wheezy. it's all the debian installer does
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09:51<wols>sekt0r: then the virtualbox-dkms install went wrong and gave an error somewhere
09:52*sekt0r wols: i did 'dpkg-reconfigure' and he is saying 'Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the
09:53<sekt0r>kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed.'
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09:53<wols>sekt0r: install the kernel headers for your kernel
09:54<wols>linux-headers-$(uname -r)
09:54<vidkun>wols: so, i install minimal squeeze, changes my sources.list to wheeze, then apt-get dist-upgrade...then run tasksel?
09:54<wols>yes
09:54<vidkun>this would seem feasible
09:55<wols>vidkun: you can only use ethernet however this way. no sensible wlan support
09:55<Sark>wols - you have any experience modifying xkb keymaps?
09:55<georgian>does anyone know how I can filter protocols in iptables?
09:55<vidkun>wols: that's ok, ethernet is all i have right now
09:55<georgian>I know you can block by ports, but not the content itself
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09:56<wols>georgian: http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/
09:56<georgian>wols: isn't there anything in iptables?
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09:59<vidkun>wols: what to the with the netinst.iso? just dd to the usb stick?
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10:00*sekt0r wols: after installing the kernel headers it works. thanks
10:00<wols>!tell vidkun about hybrid image
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10:03<vidkun>wols: alright, i will try...thanks
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10:35<Sark>Is it just me, or is X blindly ignoring it's configuration files?
10:35<Sark>At least.. when it comes to the input section
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10:36<wols>probably you. or a wrong config file :)
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10:37<Sark>It must just be me. This is not the first time this has happened. Any time I try to modify the way input devices work, it just doesn't.
10:37<georgian>exigt
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10:38<Sark>I spent two full days messing with crap on my laptop to disable the goddamn "scroll the window when you slide your finger on the edge of the trackpad" misfeature. Nothing I did could affect X in the least.
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10:38<Sark>And now that I'm trying to set and xkboption, it ignores that too.
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10:39<Sark>and this is a different computer, running a newer Debian even.
10:39<ulukay>use a usbmouse?
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10:39<Sark>That's about what I have to do, the trackpad on the laptop is borderline unusable, but I don't like having to carry a USB mouse around with the laptop.
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10:40<Sark>But that's neither here nor there. There *ought* to be a way to affect the input devices on X. There just has to be.
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10:41<cargill>hi, anyone has a problem sending emails to bugs.debian.org? My ISP's smtp server does not want to relay them (retains them for a week and then says "This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. <submit@bugs.debian.org>: CNAME lookup failed temporarily. (#4.4.3)"
10:42<cargill>however I can resolve the MX record for bugs.debian.org without problems
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10:46<blarson>cargill: bugs does ues greylisting, which does not get along well with some mailers.
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10:47<blarson>cargill: but there is no CNAME, and I see no error in the MX.
10:47<cargill>ok, I found this too: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google%20Apps/thread?tid=34f43e3e3c59b834&hl=en could it be it?
10:48<lamby_>cargill: looks like your ISP's DNS has issues
10:48<cargill>blarson: the ISP's server actually is qmail according to the failure notice, so that might the issue I guess?
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10:50<wols>no. cname lookup pretty much looks like your ISP's mailserver has shitty dns
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10:51<cargill>wols: according to the link above, the problem might be in qmail doing "ANY" requests while it cannot handle long responses
10:52<cargill>but still the ISP would be to blame...
10:53<cargill>that looks bad, my ISP's technical support is substandard
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10:56<lamby_>cargill: run your own DNS and SMTP.
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10:56<wols>many remote MTAs don't accept mail from dialup ranges. you'd need to use gmail or such as smarthost...
10:56<wols>but I guess bdo wouldn't fall into that category (I think)
10:57<blarson>cargill: that looks like it might be the problem. RRSIG and DNSKEY enteries in the DNS make the ANY answer long.
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11:00<blarson>Hmm, the verizon DNS servers seem to have problems with TCP. Good thing my mail goes elsewhere.
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11:04<chealer>how are httpd 2.2.19 response cache headers determined (by default)? I'm trying to understand the Expires headers values set on my JavaScript files. mod_expires is disabled. I don't see any configuration on that.
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11:11<themill>cargill: reportbug's default configuration is to contact reportbug.debian.org directly which then helps with these problems.
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11:15<cargill>themill: it appears that I have been using an old smtp server, setting my postfix to relay through the new one gets me a warm "Bug#640529: Acknowledgement" :)
11:15<themill>excellent
11:16<cargill>so many changes after one ISP takes over another
11:17<cargill>thank you all
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11:39<zeus>kop: Are you here ?
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11:53<mmgc84>jelou!
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11:58<kop>zeus: You need to ask the channel. If I'm here and have time I can help.
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12:26<sergant>всем привет
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12:29<Vlam>Is there something I can add to my grub boot line to make my DVI monitor stop shutting off after booting? I've had this problem before but I forgot what I added to GRUB
12:29<Vlam>It is a freshly installed system with a nvidia graphics chipset
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12:35<wols>Vlam: blacklist nouveau.
12:36<Vlam>Add that on the grub configuration line?
12:36<wols>!kms
12:36<dpkg>Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting
12:36<Vlam>Alright one second
12:37<sney>he'd only want to blacklist nouveau if he was going to use the nvidia binary driver
12:39<Vlam>adding nomodeset worked, thank you. It's only acting as a server so I just needed the display to install ssh and other thigns
12:39<wols>true
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12:50<albech>having a problem where my notification area cannot be added to the panel anymore
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12:55<Vlam>The machine can't connect to my network, I have the configuration file right and when I try /etc/init.d/networking restart it says something about some interfaces won't start orsomething
12:56<Vlam>There was no eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces so i added that in
12:57<Vlam>No PC has the IP I specified
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13:03<Vlam>Apparently if I run lspci
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13:03<Vlam>My network card does not appear ont he list
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13:08<sney>Vlam: can you pastebin lspci -nn?
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13:09<Vlam>I wouldn't know since I can't copy it and paste it anywhere
13:09<sney>ah right
13:10<sney>no chance of a serial console either I guess
13:10<sney>well, does lspci -nn |grep -i net give you anything at all?
13:10<Vlam>One second
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13:13<Vlam>Yes, nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller
13:13<albech>Vlam, sounds like a missing firmware
13:13<Vlam>ifup eth0 Does not provide any errors
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13:14<Vlam>I selected do not configure network at this time during installation so maybe that had something to do with it?
13:14<albech>Vlam, but does it come up?
13:15<Vlam>As far as I can tell no, I cannot ping google.com or run a aptitude update
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13:15<albech>does itconfig show an interface now that you have done ifup?
13:15<albech>ifconfig that is
13:16<sney>Vlam: the module for that one is forcedeth, try 'modprobe forcedeth' and then see if you can bring up eth0
13:16<sney>forcedeth does not require firmware, albech
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13:17<Vlam>I have a feeling I'm missing a nameserver because ifconfig shows it's up but I cannot resolve hostnames such as debian.org
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13:18<albech>Vlam, ping 8.8.8.8
13:18<albech>sney, yes i just noticed ;)
13:19<sney>Vlam: if you run 'route' with no arguments, does it show a default route?
13:19<Vlam>Desintation host unreachable with 8.8.8.8
13:19<albech>then listen to sney
13:19<albech>sney, most likely the default route as he say
13:20<Vlam>It shows 2 ips in route table
13:20<sney>does one of them say 'default' on it
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13:22<Vlam>Just realized i didn't have the cable plugged in when I pinged 8.8.8.8, I plugged it in and ping was successful
13:22<Vlam>and there is a "default" in route
13:22<sney>ah, layer 8 issue
13:22<sney>carry on
13:22<Vlam>So I guess I can't resolve hostnames?
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13:23<albech>Vlam, check your /etc/resolv.conf
13:23<sney>Vlam: is your interface set up with /etc/network/interfaces and if so did you specify nameservers? otherwise there may be an issue with your dhcp server
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13:32<Vlam>There wasn't a /etc/resolv.conf so I created one and added nameserver 192.168.1.1 and nameserver 8.8.8.8 and I also added dns-nameserver in /etc/network/interfaces as 8.8.8.8
13:33<Vlam>Still cannot resolve ftp.debian.org or www.google.com
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13:36<Vlam>I have added auto eth0 to my interface configuration file
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13:36<Vlam>It works now
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13:37<Vlam>One line and it all goes down the drain, sorry about that my mistake, thank you for helping.
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13:52<Guest8975>hello
13:52<sney>hi
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13:53<Guest8975>how do you do?
13:53<sney>is this your first time using xchat?
13:54<Guest8975>yes
13:54<sney>ok, I won't be mean
13:54<sney>this channel is for helping people who use the Debian operating system.
13:54<Guest8975>how could you be mean?
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13:54<sney>It's the first one on the list because Ubuntu is based on Debian, and they didn't bother to change that
13:54<Guest8975>its just a chatroom...right?
13:55<sney>it's a very specialized chatroom and it's not for hanging out
13:55<Guest8975>gotcha...
13:55<sney>if you want to talk to people, type: /join #moocows
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13:59<user_>hey
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13:59<user_>im new here... wats up?
13:59<user_>hellow?
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14:00<sney>user_: look at the left part of the screen. at the top you'll see the name of the network you're connected to, and then something that says #debian
14:00<user_>k
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14:00<user_>then wat?
14:00<sney>#debian is the name of the channel you are in. It's a support channel for people who use the Debian operating system.
14:00<sney>It's not a social hangout.
14:00<user_>ahhh
14:00<user_>k
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14:01<sney>And you have the same ip address as the last guy I tried to explain this to.
14:01<user_>so u dont like 2 hang out???
14:01<sney>not in here. it's an official support resource
14:01<user_>how old r u???
14:01<sney>if you want to chat with people, there are like 20982342342 other channels where you can do that
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14:01<user_>like wat?
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14:02<sney>www.searchirc.com
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14:04<jrk_>I want to create new package. Is it safe to take description from OpenSUSE RPM?
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14:04<sney>#debian-mentors for packaging questions, but if it's just the text description that is probably ok
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14:08<pedro>hola
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14:49<fake_handle>hello
14:50<veenoom>hi
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14:50<veenoom>Heelloo Room
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14:51<maya_A>hi
14:51<veenoom>hi MAya
14:51<maya_A>hi
14:51<veenoom>Hows your Day =)
14:51<veenoom>where ARe You Fr0M?
14:51<maya_A>france
14:51<maya_A>u?
14:52<veenoom>Mla
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14:52<veenoom>. . . Maya
14:52<veenoom>you Like Online Gameing
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14:54<Rehnquist>hello all
14:54<veenoom>hi =)
14:55<Rehnquist>i really need to find out what memory pressure is... can't find much about it anywhere
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14:55<ompaul>veenoom: have you a specific debian question?
14:56<veenoom>...Nohting..=)
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14:57<Rehnquist>from what i understand at this point, memory pressure is created when a system has an excessive amount of memory - as in, more than it has physically instaleled - allocated to virtual machines. while this is not strictly a Debian question, i believe you bunch are the most qualified to help with anything :D
14:58<ompaul>Rehnquist: build too many vms and watch your machine come under pressure for resources.
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14:58<Rehnquist>ompaul: is there any other possible context for memory pressure?
14:58<veenoom>There are two types of memory pressure a process can be exposed to external and internal. To maximize its performance and reliability a process might want to react to both of them. External memory pressure might cause a process and whole system go into paging . Internal memory pressure might cause OOM conditions and eventual process's crash.
14:58<ompaul>forgetting
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14:59<Rehnquist>veenoom: thanks, but i can use google myself.
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15:00<veenoom>=)
15:01<fake_handle>i'm looking for the kernel headers for 2.6.33.2.
15:01<fake_handle>linux-headers-2.6.33-2-486
15:01<Rehnquist>a question perhaps more to the point: is there a command in (any) linux that would show the system to be under memory pressure?
15:01<fake_handle>i think
15:01<ompaul>free
15:03<veenoom>Kernel memory management works on top of the computer system hardware
15:03<veenoom>which manipulates memory in units called pages. Page size is determined solely by
15:03<veenoom>the underlying hardware. The page size is 4096 bytes on IA32 hardware platforms.
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15:03<anbe>fake_handle, look at snapshot.debian.org
15:04<Rehnquist>veenoom: you're not helping.
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15:05<ompaul>Rehnquist: free
15:05<evgeniy>Кто тут?
15:05<ompaul>!ru
15:05<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
15:05<Rehnquist>ompaul: oh, that's a command... thanks
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15:06<ompaul>given that we know tor was subverted using it seems strange
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15:07<veenoom>yes
15:08<wp>ompaul: ?
15:08<veenoom>Rehnquist, ompaul, fake_handle & maaya..Thank u..Brb =)
15:08<veenoom>:)
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15:08<fake_handle>anbe: yes. ty
15:09<ompaul>wp: there was an interesting article on tor - I see someone joining from it perhaps I can find it
15:09<wp>I thought tor exit nodes were banned on this network
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15:10<ompaul>http://www.osguides.net/news/34-software/238-compromised-tor-servers.html
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15:11<wp>If mistakes are found in a debian wiki, who to contact?
15:12<ompaul>wp: it is a wiki fix it yourself ;-) that is the idea
15:12<wp>ompaul: the page is imutable :(
15:13<ompaul>wp: then look at the editors and see what they have to say
15:13<ompaul>there is a docs team
15:13<wp>I'll just email the guy that wrote it
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15:16<themill>wp: create a login and then you can edit it (usually, there are very few truly immutable pages)
15:17<wp>themill: thanks :)
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15:17<ompaul>wp: make sure you fill in the comment field
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15:27<Akuw>hi
15:28<Akuw>is the any application to create electronic music ?
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15:30<ompaul>Akuw: apt-cache search rosegarden
15:31<Akuw>thnkz
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15:43<fake_handle>is there an application that will download a package and all of it's requirements... on windows?
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15:43<fake_handle>maybe even zip them...
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15:50<lindi->fake_handle: haven't heard of any. if you really need to do that I would just boot a debian live environment with qemu.
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15:53<fake_handle>lindi: yeah. let me rephrase my question. if i want to download qemu for example... qemu has dependencies. besides looking at the dependencies list on it's page on packages.debian.org, is there another place where the dependencies are stored?
15:54<ompaul>fake_handle: apt-cache search kvm / qemu as you want
15:54<fake_handle>like, when aptitiude "calculates the dependencies" for a package, what is it using to calculate what packages the original package needs?
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15:54<fake_handle>does that make sense?
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15:54<ompaul>there is a file - I can't remember where it is but it just gives the answers
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15:55<fake_handle>ompaul: you mean the dependency list?
15:55<ompaul>yes
15:56<fake_handle>is it a part of aptitude, or apt, or dpkg or something?
15:56<ompaul>it is not part of it is read by
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16:02<ompaul>fake_handle: it is a flat file I still can't remember what it is called
16:03<wols>ompaul: the dpkg status file? why would one need it?
16:03<ompaul>wols: to answer the question asked?
16:03<wols>ompaul: the pkgcache.bin or qwhatever its called is not a flat file
16:03<ompaul>na
16:04<ompaul>we had it here a couple of weeks ago
16:04<ompaul>less /var/backups/dpkg.status.0
16:04<ompaul>fake_handle: ^^
16:04<wols>that is a backup. and I wrote about it above: the dpkg stagtus file. and that is NOT used by apt
16:04<ompaul>ah
16:05<wols>ompaul: /var/lib/dpkg/status and that is the file dpkg keeps to see what is installed and what not
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16:05<fake_handle>so the dpkg status file contains the dependencies for all packages? like a modules.dep file does?
16:05<fake_handle>*for modules
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16:06<fake_handle>oh... didn't see that
16:06<fake_handle>ty
16:06<ompaul>wols: thanks (again)
16:06<wols>fake_handle: that file is used by dpkg., not by apt
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16:07<wols>apt might use /var/lib/apt/... maybe. dunno really if it keeps stats at all or asks dpkg for what is installed (apt doesn't install anything. apt does dependecy checking and downloading, nothing else. installing is dpkg only)
16:08<wols>and the debian release.gz file has the package info and dependencies as well
16:08<fake_handle>well, i'm only interested in a list of dependencies for packages, not whether it it used by apt or dpkg
16:08<fake_handle>wols: great. ty
16:08<wols>fake_handle: the trouble is packae a depends on package b which in turn depends on package c and so on...
16:08<wols>and when you look at package a, all you see is "depends on: b" nothing else, nothing about c
16:09<fake_handle>wols: yes. that is exactly what i wanted. the chain of dependencies
16:09<wols>so resolving them is a fools game :( and very tedious
16:09<dirichlet>fake_handle: maybe the best thing to look is http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
16:09<wols>for this you want help froma computer program. likt apt-cache, apt-get and aptitude
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16:10<fake_handle>yeah. that's what i've been doing. one at a time. VERY tedious.
16:11<fake_handle>i'd like to avoid parsing raw html as much as possible
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16:11<wols>but there is not single place to look them up which is easy to use for a human. except the family of apt* programs coming with debian
16:11<wols>well, the status file is raw ascii. easier to parse by far imho
16:11<fake_handle>exactly. i'm going to try to script it so that's it's all done automatically
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16:12<fake_handle>couldn't be that hard
16:12<wols>just make sure you only ever open it ,rb only, cause if it's corrupted dpkg will be very angry and your debian very broken
16:12<dirichlet>fake_handle: you can always give a look to the apt-get source code
16:12<dirichlet>that's wath it does
16:12<dirichlet>*what
16:12<fake_handle>dirichlet: yes. i know
16:13<fake_handle>where would i find the source for something like apt-get, or any other utility for that matter?
16:13<dirichlet>fake_handle: you already use debian or ubuntu?
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16:14<fake_handle>dirichlet: more or less
16:14<altShar>apt-cache showpkg xchat | grep -A 3 -i dependencies
16:15<ompaul>apt-get source apt
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16:16<dirichlet>or browse the bazaar code online
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16:16<fake_handle>ompaul: is there a way to get the source without using apt? from a windows box?
16:16<fake_handle>or... what is the name of the package?
16:16<dirichlet>http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/apt
16:17<dirichlet>look at the right box
16:17<wols>fake_handle: have you seen apt-rdepends? apt-redepends shows you ALL dependencies and the dependencies of the dependencies
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16:17<fake_handle>yes. i just found this page that explains that nicely http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/02/get-source-code-for-any-linux-command/
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16:19<fake_handle>wols: ty. but, again, i'm not on a linux box
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16:19<ompaul>fake_handle: you need to get one
16:19<ompaul>you are at sea tbh on that other thing
16:19<fake_handle>what other thing?
16:19<ompaul>it ain't debian anyway
16:20<fake_handle>dont' really think it will be that dificult
16:20<ompaul>hehe
16:20<fake_handle>i'll post it when i'm done
16:20<ompaul>apt-get install build-essential and you can compile anything
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16:21<ompaul>fake_handle: and next upgrade kills it off or some such ... it is a 30k package count or some such
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16:21<wols>fake_handle: if you want reinvent the wheel, your choice. but in the age of VMs I'd think it a stupid thing to do
16:23<fake_handle>yes. well i have alot of spare time
16:23<ompaul>fake_handle: and you could do so much more with debian sitting on the machine than that other thing you currently run ;-)
16:24<d0ct0r>is debian a secure operating system?
16:24<fake_handle>no.
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16:24<d0ct0r>why do i have to be root when i write ifconfig in terminal?
16:24<ompaul>try /sbin/ifconfig
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16:24<ompaul>it is not on a usual users path
16:24<wols>d0ct0r: you don't. write /sbin/ifconfig instead. /sbin is not in path for nomal users
16:24<fake_handle>because an average user should not be able to take down a network interface
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16:25<wols>fake_handle: average user isn't. even when he calls ifconfig
16:25<ompaul>fake_handle: na, you don't need to have permission to read
16:25<ompaul>fake_handle: you do however to alter
16:25<slimshady84>hi there
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16:25<fake_handle>wols: exactly
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16:26<ompaul>slimshady84: the real one was was here standing up not 10 minutes ago (sorry couldn't resist)
16:26<fake_handle>i think he meant when he "types" ifconfig
16:26<slimshady84>lol
16:26<fake_handle>write=types
16:26<slimshady84>im the real shady, maybe he was popping some purple pillz :)
16:27<d0ct0r>fake_handle: how can you take down network interface with ifconfig?
16:27<ompaul>fake_handle: you can type ifconfig as anyone it does nothing as an ordinary user, you can type it as root or you can prefix it with /sbin/ifconfig thus as an ordinary user and it will tell you stuff, HOWEVER to change the network you need to be root
16:27<fake_handle>ompaul: yes i was saying that a normal user does not have the ability to say `ifconfig eth0 down`
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16:32<fake_handle>ompaul: yes specifying the path will allow you to run the command if it is not specified the users PATH
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16:35<slimshady84>is it ok to ask a question
16:35<ompaul>!ask
16:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:37<ompaul>slimshady84: what is your question?
16:37<slimshady84>i'm new to debian, while installing i had a problem with grub starting the windows 7 bootloader..this problem has been solved. but now while in grub loader i see three different loaders for windows, but only one is correct.
16:37<slimshady84>all of the options reffer to different disks
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16:38<slimshady84>is it correct to assume that other disks got bootloader options in their mbr, and grub is listing them?
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16:40<slimshady84>and mainly, how do i cleam those faulty bootloaders :)
16:40<slimshady84>*clean
16:40<ompaul>slimshady84: it is never good to assume anything /boot/grub/grub.cfg careful now - how are you going to test I'll have the bot send you some docs on grub if you are stuck with anything ask the channel
16:40<ompaul>!tell slimshady84 about grub
16:41<ompaul>slimshady84: no need to use the < > around the keywords in a pm with the bot
16:41<slimshady84>i do get the purpose and workings of grub itself, the problem lies in cleaning the faulty bootsectors on those disks.
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16:43<slimshady84>if i tell any diskpartitioner of diskutil to fix the mbr, it wil automatically fix the mbr on de primary disk (sda) but i need to clean out the bootsector of sdb and sdf
16:43<computer>i have Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2630QM CPU @ 2.00GHz, should i download ia64?
16:44<ompaul>amd64
16:44<ompaul>computer: ^^
16:44<computer>thanks!
16:44<ompaul>slimshady84: well ya see that is a job for a disk editor and I would not suggest that to anyone ever
16:45<ompaul>because get it wrong and you will not see that partition again
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16:45<ompaul>slimshady84: look at fdisk -l to see what you the machine thinks it sees
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16:45<slimshady84>the other way is to clean that disk out and repartition ?
16:46<ompaul>that is a way
16:47<slimshady84>fdisk is telling me that both sdb and sdf are bootable
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16:47<ompaul>obviously it believes that
16:47<slimshady84>isnt there a way to deselct the drive as bootable?
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16:48<ompaul>cfdisk gparted and many many more tools
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16:48<slimshady84>which is prefferred ?
16:48<ompaul>choose one
16:48<ompaul>this is what I am not getting into
16:49<slimshady84>the grey area?
16:49<__Alex_>fdisk is good old tested, and works, cfdisk is simplified Fdisk, and GParted is the easyest
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16:49<ompaul>nothing grey about it
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16:50<slimshady84>maybe i should read about mbr a bit more
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16:51<__Alex_>Wanna rewrite your MBR? FDisk can do!
16:51<ompaul>slimshady84: what worries me is you have a bootable box and if you fluff up your grub you won't
16:52<slimshady84>if i deselct those drives as bootable and after that update grub, it should not be a problem...would it?
16:52<ompaul>slimshady84: read and read again, think about this measure with a micrometer, mark with a pencil cut with an axe
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16:52<ompaul>in theory it is not
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16:55<__Alex_>Is there a way i can find in debian, if my HDD is IDE or SATA? (It's a netbook, and i don't want to pull it apart... Yet.)
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16:56<ompaul> __Alex_ lshw
16:56<slimshady84>hd is ata...sd if sata/scsi
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16:56<Eivvia>WeEeEeEeEeEeEeEeEe
16:57<ompaul>!it
16:57<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:59<ompaul>slimshady84: have a look at lshw if you didn't before ;-) its a nice little tool
16:59<__Alex_> slimshady84: NO longer, from squeeze to future, ata and SATA both show as sd
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17:00<altShar>look at disk:0 description:
17:00<__Alex_>Where?
17:00<altShar>lshw
17:00<__Alex_>sorry, i'm nub
17:01<__Alex_>sudo: lshw: command not found
17:01<multoplex>just installed a fresh squeeze system with the intention of upgrading to wheezy, this is not quite working out though; edited sources.list and replaced "squeeze" with "wheezy", then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade...but dist-upgrade just runs through without doing anything
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17:01<altShar>mb install it
17:02<__Alex_>Hehe
17:02<bzed>multoplex: are you sure that apt-get update worked?
17:02<ompaul>multoplex: (A) why didn't you install the testing repos (B) is the machine on any network?
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17:03<ompaul>multoplex: there is a testing install disk
17:03<multoplex>ompaul: i was recommended in this channel not to use it...
17:03<multoplex>bzed: it worked
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17:05<multoplex>sources.list has deb http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main
17:05<multoplex>sources.list has deb-src http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main
17:05<multoplex>is this right?
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17:06<Mannequin>sorry if too dumb question: can a Debian/GNU-linux based distro be a non-GPL distro?
17:06<ompaul>!tell multoplex about paste
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17:06<ompaul>multoplex: if that is all then that is wrong
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17:06<d0ct0r>!tell ompaul about wget
17:06<multoplex>ompaul: replace with what then?
17:06<Mannequin>I ask because I was looking at AV Linux (http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html), and the website states it's a non-GPL distro
17:06<ompaul>d0ct0r: why?
17:07<Mannequin>(please, if offtopic, let me know where to ask)
17:07<d0ct0r>sorry just testing
17:07<ompaul>d0ct0r: that's wheezy
17:08<lindi->Mannequin: that page is very unclear but the footnote explains that their distro contains non-free stuff
17:08<Mannequin>lindi-: thanks for clarifying. Now I think I get it.
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17:10<ompaul>multoplex: here is my problem, I know it should say something like that deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ main and so on
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17:10<ompaul>multoplex: deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main (and a src one also)
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17:10<ompaul>multoplex: but if you don't know this you should not really be running testing - it will break and you may not be able to reach irc
17:11<chealer>Mannequin: something based on Debian can be anything. you can take Debian, strip everything, burn an empty disc and say the result is based on Debian. however, it would be quite an effort to build something based on Debian that uses no GPL code at all. it's certainly not AVLinux's case.
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17:11<chealer>Mannequin: but if by "non-GPL" you simply mean "not completely under the GPL", then even Debian is non-GPL.
17:12<multoplex>ompaul: does that replace the security.debian.org lines above? or should i have both?
17:12<ompaul>Mannequin: it is offtopic - a one line answer they most likely added in codecs but they can't claim that it is all non-GPL
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17:12<ompaul>multoplex: you should consider both if you are going to run that box as wheezy
17:12<multoplex>ompaul: what is the difference between them?
17:13<sosaited>I just added a few IPtable rules but rebooted afterwards. I also thought of looking at the current rules to see if the ones I added were still there, but something else caught my eye. http://pastebin.com/0NYkrQg2 Does this mean all incoming traffic is allowed???
17:13<ompaul>multoplex: eh, is it not obvious they are not the same, one is the "base system" the other is security updates
17:13<slimshady84>ah, i found a way
17:13<multoplex>ompaul: cdn.debian.org is the base? ...why wasn't it in sources.list from the beginning?
17:14<ompaul>multoplex: cdn is just a random repo - however it is not security
17:14<slimshady84>windows 7 uses not only a bootloader in mbr, but bootable images (like linux) to start windows from a disk. i deleted those bootmanager files. now the options are no longer visible in grub
17:14<ompaul>multoplex: I don't know where you are if you were in italy it might be it.debian ec
17:14<ompaul>etc
17:15<multoplex>ompaul: since i'm in sweden i should be using se.debian.org?
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17:15<ompaul>multoplex: I don't know so cdn will work for you
17:15<ompaul>multoplex: you deleted the right ones when you changed the file :-(
17:16<slimshady84>gone for testing.. brb
17:16<ompaul>multoplex: in other words I don't know, there you now have a working answer
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17:17<multoplex>ompaul: i didn't delete anything, file had just security.debian /squeeze/updates main
17:18<ompaul>multoplex: I beg to differ.
17:19<Mannequin>chealer, ompaul, thank you too.
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17:19<ompaul>multoplex: it would have been above those lines
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17:21<slimshady84>worked perfectly
17:22*slimshady84 thanks ompaul
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17:22<ompaul>multoplex: I'm going to suggest unless you have a really compelling reason you don't upgrade from squeeze and you learn the basics of managing and installing things on a debian system as it
17:23<ompaul>multoplex: I want to is not really compelling ;-)
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17:24<multoplex>ompaul: i need certain packages uptodate, i.e. not stable
17:24<ompaul>!ssb
17:24<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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17:25<ompaul>multoplex: there is more than one way to skin a cat ... please tell people what you actually want to achieve, they have a wealth of experience here, if you make your mind up on a course you may make your life really hard when you don't have to.
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17:27<multoplex>ompaul: i could backport from wheezy, yes...but, would that make anything EASIER?
17:28<ompaul>it means the rest of your system does not blow up in your face if someone brings in stuff you were not expecting it being a test environment
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17:33<ompaul>multoplex: the only thing someone here wants for you if they are helping is that you can use the machine as and how you like, however if you don't know a lot about debian, the first break in testing and it is called testing for a reason (right now the testing version is wheezy) could leave you dead in the water, not a great way for a new user to be.
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17:36<multoplex>ompaul: my previous debian WAS stahle...with some unstable packages...which was a very bad setup indeed
17:37<ompaul>multoplex: mixing can kill a box so running straight stable is usually best unless you really know what you are doing / wanting
17:37<multoplex>ompaul: and i do NOT want everything stable, for example i need updates from pidgin
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17:38<ompaul>need?
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17:39<ompaul>multoplex: why "need"?
17:39<multoplex>ompaul: things regularly break in pidgin, and if you don't feel like sitting around for 4 months waiting for the fix to reach debian stable...you'll need to run non-stable packages
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17:39<ompaul>or build it yourself
17:39<ompaul>multoplex: I don't run it myself, however I would have thought it was tightly tied to gnome.
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17:47<wols>ompaul: there variously have been bacports for pidgin
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17:47<ompaul>wols: not disputing it, but it needs not to be unstable and stable
17:48<ompaul>it needs to be something that people tested as working together
17:48<ompaul>if I may ask why does pidgin change so much?
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17:58<Kyon0>Ìû
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18:04<Kyon0>Ìû
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18:05<Kyon0>Ìû
18:06<themill>Kyon0: can we help?
18:07<Kyon0>sorry, strange bug it seems with the last version of xchat oO
18:07<Kyon0>when i launch a dcc transfert, many strange things... happen -_-'
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18:14<Kyon0>Sorry for strange flood, little bug with Xchat.... | Desolé pour le flood, petit bug avec Xchat
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18:47<Rafterman>Fuck U 2
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18:54<Abad__>¿donde puedo hacer preguntas de novato en Ubuntu 11.04?
18:55<Abad__>Gracias por la ayuda. Bye!
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18:56<alberto>oolllaa
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18:56<Guest9031>por k
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18:57<Guest9031>eeeooo
18:57<Guest9031>ke pasaaa
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18:58<wols>!es
18:58<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
18:58<Guest9031>hablllaaaaadd
18:59<Guest9031>cabron
18:59<wols>!ops please show Guest9031 the door
18:59<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: wols complains about: please show Guest9031 the door
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18:59<themill>!es-social Guest9031
18:59<dpkg>Guest9031: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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20:24<Fufufu>Alright, I need help
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20:25<Fufufu>anyone available?
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20:30<anndruu12>if i am running debian from the command line, what commands can i use to brighten up the text?
20:31<anndruu12>it's running through qemu if that makes a difference
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20:31<Nemoder>anndruu12: check the setterm manpage
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20:36<Fufufu>i absolutely cannot get proftpd to install after dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze
20:36<Fufufu>i have apt-get remove --purge proftpd-basic and installed again
20:36<Fufufu>it just won't do it
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20:37<plugwash>am I correct in thinking that all the versions of g++ currently in debian are abi compatibile
20:37<plugwash>I'd think they would be as they all use libstdc++6 but i'd like confirmation
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20:39<Fufufu>Cannot start proftpd, please check syntax of your configuration file /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf
20:39<Fufufu> yet i have not edited proftpd.conf
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20:44<strefli3>Anyone know of a laptop that can handle two external displays?
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21:14<egoga>I've been trying to get Debian installed from the netinstall CD and it couldn't save the partition data... also it wouldn't let me start installing because it didn't finish the partition step
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21:16<Lumsi>hi
21:16<Lumsi>need help
21:16<egoga>Then when I rebooted, my init files were fixed, but my keyboard wouldn't work at all in login graphical screen
21:17<Lumsi>does anyone know how can kow if my card WINTV Express is compatible with motherboard PC?thank you
21:17<egoga>Then when I rebooted, my init files were fixed, but my keyboard wouldn't work at all in login graphical screen
21:17<egoga>Only in the non-X command prompt
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21:17<egoga>during bootup, so what do I do to make the keyboard work
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21:17<egoga>how can I make my PS/2 keyboard work
21:18<Lumsi>TV card is HAUPPAUGE wintv express pal-B/G-I- D/K-SECAM 44809, and motherboard PC is ASUS P5GC-MX/1333
21:18<Lumsi>can you help me?
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21:19<egoga>I would try #debian on irc.freenode.net, no one seems to answer here
21:20<rsmith_>any suggestions for adding 100 users with predefined passwords? Google keywords?
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21:29<Lumsi>HELP
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21:34<kop>Lumsi: Are you using debian?
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21:34<egoga>how can I make my PS/2 keyboard work
21:34-!-ubuntu is now known as Guest9043
21:35<Lumsi>kop: hi, thanks for answer , yep and winos too
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21:35<Lumsi>kop: can you help me?
21:35<andy__>What you got?
21:36<Lumsi>andy__: hi, you're talking to me?
21:37<andy__>Good
21:37<Lumsi>andy__yep or no?
21:37<andy__>What you got?
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21:37<Lumsi>sorry, idn't anderstand your question?
21:38<andy__>What did you need help eith. I'll see if I can help.
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21:39<kop>Lumsi: What is your problem? Are you wondering if you can install debian?
21:39<andy__>Hello, Lumsi ...
21:39<Lumsi>i need to install TV card, but i don't know how can i know if it's compatible with my motherboard or not?
21:40<andy__>I don't know of any tv receiver cards that work with *nix
21:40<Lumsi>kop: just need to know how can i know if my TV card is compatible with my motherboard or not
21:40<kop>Lumsi: Hardware questions are offtopic here, but if it's physically attached the way to tell if it works with debian is to boot the installer so we can get some info out of you.
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21:41<kop>!hardware
21:41<dpkg>Before buying any hardware, make sure it is supported by all operating systems you want to use; ask me about <hcl>. To acquire details about your current hardware, ask me about <whats my hardware>. Please ask all non-Debian-specific hardware questions in ##hardware on irc.freenode.net.
21:41<Lumsi>kop: but i am using debian
21:42<Lumsi>and i need to know how...
21:42<Lumsi>this is my TV card : HAUPPAUGE wintv express pal-B/G-I- D/K-SECAM 44809, and motherboard PC is ASUS P5GC-MX/1333
21:43<relajo>how can i build a fglrx version from source???
21:43<Lumsi>nobody can tell me if it's compatible or not?
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21:45<Lumsi>kop: don't you think that i'll dammage motherboard if i try to attach TV car with ?
21:45<kop>Lumsi: Ok, so you've debian running.
21:45<Lumsi>yes
21:45<kop>as root type "lspci -nn" and tell us the pciid of the video card.
21:45<kop>Lumsi: The pciid looks like [xxxx:yyyy]. The card should be identifiable from the description.
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21:46<kop>Lumsi: As to plugging in the card, ask in the hardware channels.
21:46<Lumsi>but i don't attach TV card yet
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21:47<Lumsi>i didn't
21:47<kop>Lumsi: I'd say "no, if it plugs in it won't be damanaged. But if you don't know that much about hardware then you could break things by accident so better go get hardware support.
21:47<kop>Lumsi: Do it wrong and the hardware will break.
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21:48<Lumsi>kop: that's the question,
21:48<kop>Lumsi: Then go get hardware support and come back if you need debian help.
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21:49<Lumsi>hardware support , do you mean that i need to look in Asus website or wintv website?
21:49<kop>!tell Lumsi about hardware
21:50<kop>Lumsi: Go where you like but the factoid suggests another irc channel.
21:51<kop>!tell Lumsi about irc tutorial
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21:51<Lumsi><kop: ok, i see , tell me with irc?
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21:52<Lumsi>witch irc i've to..
21:53<kop>Lumsi: How you change channels is up to your irc client, the irc program you're using now. You want the freenode.org server and the ##hardware channel.
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21:54<Lumsi><kop: ok thank you
21:55<Lumsi>thank you, i hope that i will solve that
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22:11<jack>hello out there
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22:11<jack>my name is jack
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22:12<jack>im new to this xubuntu
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22:14<andy_>Hello ...
22:14<Chris_>hi
22:15<andy_>How do I get to the wifidog channel on irc freenode net?
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22:21<andy_>Can someone tell me how to get to the wifidog channel on irc.freenode.net?
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22:23<sney>!otherchannel andy_ irc.freenode.net #wifidog
22:23<dpkg>andy_: The channel you are looking for is irc.freenode.net on #wifidog. Please do /server #wifidog and then /join irc.freenode.net. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://#wifidog/irc.freenode.net
22:23<sney>oops
22:23<sney>!otherchannel andy_ #wifidog irc.freenode.net
22:23<dpkg>andy_: The channel you are looking for is #wifidog on irc.freenode.net. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #wifidog. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.freenode.net/#wifidog
22:23<sney>that one.
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22:26<andy_>Thank you sney. I got side tracked there for about two minutes.
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22:29<andy_>Thank you dpkg
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23:01<aussa>hi, trying to "make" a program I get this error: Makefile:3: Common/common.mk: No such file or directory; make: *** No rule to make target `Common/common.mk'. Stop.
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23:05<aussa>hi, trying to "make" a program I get this error: Makefile:3: Common/common.mk: No such file or directory; make: *** No rule to make target `Common/common.mk'. Stop. how do I fix that?
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23:16<plugwash>you are going to have to provide a lot more info than that if you want someone to help you. What program are you trying to make? what do the instructions say? do you have all the dependencies installed?
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23:51<k1lumin4t1>can openoffice and libreoffice be installed in a parallel way?
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23:52<peterS>k1lumin4t1: probably not ... why would you want them both? libreoffice is openoffice after someone apparently had a contest to see if they could come up with an even _more_ awkward name than "OpenOffice.org" for a product
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23:53<k1lumin4t1>peterS, I want it because latest LibreOffice version stinks, in my opinion
23:53<k1lumin4t1>peterS, it isn't propperly managing previous version documents
23:54<peterS>k1lumin4t1: sounds like you want to downgrade to squeeze, then, and reinstall openoffice.org-writer
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23:54<k1lumin4t1>peterS, good idea
23:54<k1lumin4t1>peterS, I'm on SID
23:55<k1lumin4t1>peterS, I'm dlding previous version from the site anyway
23:55<peterS>I don't really envy you, removing all the droppings of openoffice.org / libreoffice, but once you've found them all, you just need to change your sources.list file to say squeeze instead of sid, then apt-get update and then install openoffice.org-writer and bob's your uncle
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23:58<k1lumin4t1>peterS, explain the first part about the envy :)
23:58<peterS>k1lumin4t1: just saying, the various support packages that are built from, and installed alongside, openoffice.org and libreoffice, are not necessarily easy to find
23:59<k1lumin4t1>peterS, now the LibreOffice people have two versions running up
23:59<k1lumin4t1>peterS, and OpenOffice one version with Betas
23:59<k1lumin4t1>peterS, so we have around 4 different office suites versions
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