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---Logopened Tue Sep 06 00:00:12 2011
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00:00<peterS>oh, is going to live again? the reason libreoffice forked is because sun, I mean oracle, played a very convincing imitation of a dead upstream
00:00<peterS>(but were unwilling to let go of their trademark)
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00:00<k1lumin4t1>now we have two versions of the same thing, with two versions within
00:00<k1lumin4t1>just insane
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00:01<peterS>as much as I want to cheer for anyone who took an open source project away from Sun, I mean Oracle, and decided to go their own way with it, I do wish they hadn't decided that they needed to call it something more awkward than
00:03<k1lumin4t1>peterS, well, Oracle have kept OO free and LGPL
00:03<nevyn>isn't libreoffice better than
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00:03<k1lumin4t1>peterS, of course, they're not releasing at the frantic pace of LO
00:03<k1lumin4t1>nevyn, that's QUITE arguable
00:03<peterS>nevyn: not to me. what language is 'libreoffice' supposed to be in, anyway? it sounds French, but I don't think it quite is.
00:04<k1lumin4t1>peterS, spanish
00:04<peterS>k1lumin4t1: ahh. 'office' didn't sound very Spanish to me, but I don't know
00:04<k1lumin4t1>peterS, Libre
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00:05<peterS>k1lumin4t1: yes but that's only half the name. 'Office' is the other half. so, what language is it?
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00:05<k1lumin4t1>peterS, I guess English, so it's Spanglish
00:05<peterS>k1lumin4t1: so then, if 'Office' is supposed to be an English word, then I can pronounce that half. how do I pronounce the first half? I could try for a Spanish lilt, or I could try for a French one, or maybe it's something else?
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00:06<k1lumin4t1>peterS, it's pronounced Leebreh
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00:07<peterS>k1lumin4t1: I have to say, if I put the French pronunciation of 'libre' with the English pronunciation of 'office', it sounds ridiculous. maybe it would be better if I used Spanish or Italian or something to try to pronounce the 'libre', but still kept English for 'office'?
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00:07<nevyn>lib rof is ?
00:08<peterS>as in, gcc -lreoffice ?
00:08<k1lumin4t1>peterS, hehehe
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00:09<peterS>that's it. I'm gonna start pronouncing it as "lib ree-office" from now on, as though 'lib' were from it being a library
00:09<peterS>or maybe lib 're-o-,fiss
00:10<nevyn>drop the E and it becomes actually usable
00:10<peterS>(primary stress on 're', secondary stress on 'fiss')
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00:11<nevyn>the hard bit is the handling of the eo in the centre. I prefer dropping the e and putting the stress on the o
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00:18<k1lumin4t1>LibreOffice 3.4.3 screws up tables done in previous versions
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00:18<k1lumin4t1>which LibreOffice 3.3.4 displays and manages well
00:19<bones_was_here>oh fun, incompatability between libre and OOo :/
00:20<bones_was_here>it should be considered a bug, given that open document is an ISO standard
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00:24<k1lumin4t1>bones_was_here, not only between LO and OO
00:24<k1lumin4t1>bones_was_here, between two versions of LO itself
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00:26<peterS>the distinction is meaningless. LO 3.3 _is_
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00:47<robbiethe1st>Oh, that explains it. I was just about to come in here complaining and trying to figure out why in the world 'linux-kbuild-3.1.0' wasn't available when it was a dependancy for linux-headers-3.1.0-*... then I realized that it was in Experimental. That explains it.
00:48<robbiethe1st>Now I just have to go disable the experimental repo... Still not sure why it's enabled <_<
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01:04<relajo>hello how can i specify a diferent branch from a netinstall ? i have the stable netinstaller but i need to install oldstable
01:05<LesleyL>Hi all. I built a new kernel, and now LVM doesn't work. The device files of the physical volumes exist, but pvscan says "no matching physical volumes found". Any suggestions?
01:06<LesleyL>New kernel is 2.6.32 on etch (yes, I know)
01:09<kop>relajo: You need the old installer, or I'd say that's the safe way to do it. I could be wrong. See the install guide for gobs of details on things you can do.
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01:15<relajo>kop i thoght there my be a way to rollback or something
01:15<relajo>but is ok let me find the oldstable installer then
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01:35<LesleyL>is there another channel more suited to kernel questions? or is it the wrong time of day?
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01:39<sney>wrong time of day
01:40<sney>try again in about 8 hours or so
01:40<LesleyL>Thanks. I'll be asleep but maybe I'll have better luck first thing.
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02:53<mercutio22>did something bad. Resized partitions now can't boot
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02:55<piyagh>Anyone here answer questions
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02:56<wols_>!ops please remove piyagh
02:56<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: wols_ complains about: please remove piyagh
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02:56-!-mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ
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02:56<wols_>thanks. and a good morning to you peterS
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02:57<tsquad>hey, i have a non graphical install of squeeze on a p4, and it keeps randomly not responding, until i hard restart the pc
02:57<piyagh_>fuck duck doog norgs answer me
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02:58<tsquad>does anyone know something that may be causing this?
02:58<tsquad>its a fresh install
02:58<wols_>hardware most likely :(
02:58<tsquad>could it be ram failing?
02:58<wols_>I suggest a serial console logging
02:59<tsquad>what is that exactly?
02:59<wols_>it could be anything. no way to know. for ram testing use memtest. run it for 24h+
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02:59<wols_>if you have no serial console, a remote syslog (over the network)
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02:59<_numpfin_>please stop banning
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03:00<_numpfin_>my keyboard isn't working in X. I don't know why but it just isn't
03:00<tsquad>ok, the odd thing is, i just had an install of ubuntu desktop, set up as a server running for almost a year and this never happened
03:00<peterS>_numpfin_: your IRC client is sending random non-word characters to the channel. what are we supposed to think?
03:01<_numpfin_>my problem is that it works in Linux's version of "DOS" (the text-only console) but not the X server
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03:01<wols_>_numpfin_: you run knoppix and you spammed the channel
03:01<_numpfin_>I don't know how to fix it... I tried editing xorg.conf, removing xorg.conf altogether, and even searching google and Xorg.0.log
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03:01<peterS>nothing wrong with Knoppix, but we don't support it here
03:01<_numpfin_>I'm running Knoppix because I can't boot up Debian and type on IRC with it
03:02<peterS>the X server configuration and the kernel configuration are exactly the sorts of things where Knoppix differs from Debian
03:02<wols_>_numpfin_: boot debian, install irssi on the console and use that for irc then
03:02<_numpfin_>I already did... but no one was answering my question
03:02<_numpfin_>That's why I go :
03:02<_numpfin_>J-g_q*d %Q&-tTC M5Ky!W( <-<Vk.j G[p-S(p ~g,}'ZOo =.+r~y"Y
03:02<_numpfin_>Because people don't answer my question
03:02<wols_>then do it again. and we don't knoe everything and in the nighttime not many people are awake
03:02<peterS>that's a good way to get banned 3 times in a row, you know
03:03<tsquad>thats not the way to get it answered
03:03<wols_>_numpfin_: you tempt me to simply ignore you from now on
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03:03<_numpfin_>Anyway, what could be the cause of a non-working keyboard at the login screen?
03:03<_numpfin_>Would some sort of xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3" only with the keyboard work
03:03<wols_>I think I do. destructive childish behaviour like this cannot be encouraged. have a nbice day
03:03<_numpfin_>I'm using a PS/2 keyboard by the way
03:03<peterS>_numpfin_: what version of debian are you running, when you aren't running knoppix?
03:03<_numpfin_>Debian 6.0.2
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03:04<_numpfin_>squeeze version, the unchanging one
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03:04<peterS>usually with an X server as new as debian squeeze, you don't need an xorg.conf at all
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03:04<_numpfin_>yes, that's why I removed it entirely
03:04<wols_>tsquad: withut any logs why it stops, it's hard to say. and P4 is old hardware which should be supported just fine, e.g. no new drivers needede
03:04<peterS>try renaming /etc/X11/xorg.conf to something else, so it won't find it, and see what it does to your keyboard then
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03:04<peterS>what happened when you did that, then?
03:04<_numpfin_>I did what you just said, and it still doesn't work
03:05<_numpfin_>the keyboard is still not typing the account name letters on the login screen
03:05<peterS>"doesn't work" is not very descriptive. what does it do or not do?
03:05<_numpfin_>It does not create or show any letters at all
03:05<peterS>this is a normal squeeze install? or an upgrade from a previous version like lenny?
03:05<tsquad>wols_ yea thats what i figured, the hardware can run it, sep. if its a non gui install, which it is, ill have to learn to do that network syslog thing you were talking about
03:06<_numpfin_>Well, this was a normal squeeze install that I ascrewed up with init.d files, I then started running the Debian 6.0.2 install CD to overwrite the existing installation
03:06<_numpfin_>I got to the partition step but it wouldn't let me write the partition table... miraculously my problem of init.d files was solved by the partial installation
03:06<_numpfin_>but then the keyboard stopped working
03:06<peterS>_numpfin_: what I'm getting at is: if it's an upgrade from a previous debian release, it would be running an older kernel. if it's a squeeze install from the beginning, it will be running some 2.6.32 kernel. that's what I was getting at.
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03:07<_numpfin_>I wasn't doing an upgrade at all... it still is squeeze, just like the previous installation
03:07<peterS>so ... your keyboard previously worked. when did it break?
03:07<peterS>right after you did the partial reinstall? or some time later?
03:07<_numpfin_>right after the partial reinstall
03:08<_numpfin_>Really I want to do a whole wipe of everything with a NetInstall from the Debian 6.0.2 net install CD
03:08<_numpfin_>without formatting, but installing over it
03:08<_numpfin_>but since one of the problems was fixed, all I need to know to fix the problem is how to get the keybaord workiung
03:08<peterS>do you have valuable data that is not backed up, so that reformatting the disk would be bad?
03:08<_numpfin_>not really
03:08<peterS>because if you don't mind wiping the partition table out and reformatting, that actually would be easier
03:08<_numpfin_>I have data in the /home directories
03:08<_numpfin_>Yeah, maybe I'll go do that
03:08<_numpfin_>It's not hard
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03:09<peterS>what I'd probably do, if you have a backup of /home or whatever you will want to keep, is to wipe the partition table, then power cycle and reinstall. wiping the partition table effectively wipes the disk, since the installer won't be able to find the existing partitions
03:09<_numpfin_>Also I want to ask this question of nerds... what kind of family makes their kids only use exercise equipment like NordicTrack or treadmills while they watch TV or program
03:09<peterS>to wipe the partition table, I'd probably do something like: dd bs=1024 count=1 < /dev/zero > /dev/sda
03:10<peterS>then just hit the power button
03:10<_numpfin_>I'll try that
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03:10<peterS>good luck
03:10<_numpfin_>thank you for your generous help
03:10<peterS>(also 'cat /proc/partitions' to see if your hard disk really is /dev/sda, or what it's called. It is probably sda but you can't be sure.)
03:10<_numpfin_>yeah, it is thanks
03:11<_numpfin_>'ll try dd
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03:24<stefan_>i was wondering why i am having trouble getting debian to boot on a macbook while ubuntu does it without problems
03:25<peterS>probably the boot loader. maybe debian's installer installs a boot loader that can't handle EFI, by default
03:25<stefan_>is there any way to go around that without having chain-load mac os ?
03:25<peterS>(I believe Apple's BIOSes only speak EFI, not the legacy BIOS. but that's just a rumor, I don't own any Apple hardware)
03:26<stefan_>do you think i could somehow use a ubuntu CD and rebuild GRUB so it loads the debian system thats installed ?
03:26<peterS>yes, that probably can be done
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03:27<peterS>assuming of course that ubuntu is using grub to boot your system. I was not aware grub had EFI support at all
03:27<wols_>stefan_: there are wiki articles about installing on macbooks (EFI issue) usually rEFIt afaik
03:27<dpkg>well, macbook is . For the Pro model, ask me about <macbookpro>. For the Air series, ask me about <macbookair>. See also <laptop>.
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03:30<stefan_>yeah i read a few
03:30<stefan_>they tell me about how to resize the mac os partition and all
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03:30<stefan_>but i dont want that
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03:30<stefan_>i had Ubuntu on here for the past year
03:30<stefan_>i want to switch to debian
03:30<stefan_>and everything is nice .... except the booting
03:30<stefan_>i can only boot if i put in a ubuntu cd and tell it to boot from first HDD
03:31<stefan_>so i do get into the debian system ... just not sure what to do from there
03:32<peterS>sounds like you want to 'apt-get install refit' and go from there
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03:33<peterS>but I don't have any experience with Linux on EFI systems (the only EFI system I ever configured was an Itanium2 running HP-UX back in about 2001....)
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03:40<stefan_>what does refit do
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03:53<unxbm3r1>im on lenny but I want to track the sid branch
03:53<unxbm3r1>is the only thing i do is change my source.list?
03:54<blarson>!tell unxbm3r1 about lenny->squeeze
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03:54<unxbm3r1>thank you
03:54<blarson>unxbm3r1: debian does not support skipping release, you'll need to upgrade to squeeze first
03:55<Myon>also, you don't want sid
03:55<Myon>if you need to ask any questions about it
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04:02<unxbm3r1>why dont i want sid?
04:02<sney>!sid faq
04:02<dpkg> ; it doesn't hurt to read the FAQ, even if you are using <testing>. See also and <sid upgrade test>.
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04:03<unxbm3r1>ahh so just squeeze shoule be cool?
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04:03<sney>to clarify: you don't want sid on a system you need. if it's expendable and yours to burn, go ahead, but be warned. "unstable" isn't just 3 random syllables.
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04:04<unxbm3r1>would Wheezy be stable enough for a good production system?
04:05<wols_>unxbm3r1: what is in wheezy that you really need for your production system?
04:05<sney>wheezy is stable enough for personal use by people who know how to fix things and who are careful about tracking update changes.
04:05<wols_>and don't just say "newer software": that is BS: state actual things you really need. specifics
04:05<sney>Only stable should be used in production; if you need a newer version of something, look into backports.
04:06<unxbm3r1>wols_: nginx
04:06<wols_>,versions nginx
04:06<judd>Package nginx on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.67-3; squeeze-backports: 1.1.0-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1.1.0-1; wheezy: 1.1.0-1
04:07<unxbm3r1>ahh ok
04:07<wols_>see how there is a backport for it already which is the sid version?
04:07<unxbm3r1>spueeze should be cool then
04:07<unxbm3r1>ahh yes
04:07<unxbm3r1>im gonna upgrade to squeeze
04:08<sney>make sure you follow the instructions dpkg gave you.
04:08<unxbm3r1>ahh yes
04:08<unxbm3r1>doing that now
04:09<unxbm3r1>thanks for the help
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04:22<jaycococ>who can tell me some interesting channel,thank you
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05:18<unxbm3r1>there is no php5-fpm in squeeze-backports?
05:18<unxbm3r1>i only see it in Wheezy
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05:20<lamby_>if a box has 8 cores, 4 virtal (hyper threading) and 4 physical, what is 100% load? 8 or 4 ?
05:21<lamby_>just wondering what load averages I should be 'afraid' of.
05:21<rpetre>lamby_: there is no "100% load"
05:21<rpetre>load and cpu are different metrics
05:21<lamby_>rpetre: what would be a good setting for a load average warning in zabbix and such like?
05:21<rpetre>lamby_: leave the box running for a while and look at the graphs
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05:22<rpetre>load by itself means noting
05:22<unxbm3r1>nevermind found a repo for it
05:22<rpetre>except "it's higher than usual"
05:22<grove>lamby_: Depends on what the machine is doing. I've seen machines run fine with a load of 200, and machines dying with a load of 10
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05:23<rpetre>lamby_: put a threshold of 2 times what's right now and raise it if you get bogus alerts or lower it if you feel you should be alerted more
05:23<bzed>lamby_: load on linux also includes processes waiting for IO, so it is not only a question of CPUs unfortunately
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05:24<bzed>lamby_: I usually assume that a load of X is just fine if I have X cores, and 2X should give me a warning
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05:25<rpetre>lamby_: unrelated, hyperthreading might work with you or against you, depending on what kind of stuff the machine is running
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05:25<bzed>lamby_: depending on what your system does you have to change these numbers of course
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05:26<lamby_>well it's just im getting bogus warnings at the moment
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05:26<lamby_>and it's set to 5 currently.
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05:26<lamby_>current load is 1.61, and it's just a samba server
05:26<rpetre>lamby_: do you graph the value?
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05:26<lamby_>rpetre: not currently no. that would be a great idea though.. err... a nice package i can use ?
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05:27<rpetre>you mentioned zabbix, iirc it did some graphs
05:27*rpetre uses nagios for alerting and different other tools for graphs
05:27<lamby_>rpetre: then i've not got that far with it yet, just using email triggers. but will consult the man page. ta
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05:28<rpetre>lamby_: add graphs and figure out what's usual
05:28<lamby_>rpetre: i've heard good things about nagios. did hear that it was a pain in the backside to configure though. is that still true?
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05:28<rpetre>and in loadavg's case, you may want to monitor 5-min or 15-min averages, in order to even out the spikes
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05:29<rpetre>lamby_: i don't know, i'd rather have plain text configuration over "click-based" web interfaces, but i'm old school :)
05:29<lamby_>rpetre: that's a good idea too. currently it's 5 min averages.. but 15 is probably better. it'st just a backup job to the samba box that triggers the alert.
05:29<lamby_>rpetre: me too but then that's because I've never used Linux on the desktop. Am happy enough with vi.
05:29<rpetre>lamby_: it really depends on what you want that alert to mean
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05:30<lamby_>rpetre: well i want the alert to warn about sustained heavy load. but it trips out over a backup job every day. which means people ignore the warning.
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05:30<lamby_>I just wanted to get an idea on how load works. I though that 8 cores meant 8.0 was 100% cpu.
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05:30<rpetre>lamby_: what does "sustained heavvy load" mean
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05:31<rpetre>lamby_: yes and no
05:31<lamby_>rpetre: to be honest that's the question I need to answer :-S
05:31<rpetre>it's way more complicated (or simpler)
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05:31<rpetre>loadavg means "average number of processes in the cpu run queue"
05:31<lamby_>My god it's like being in the Matrix speaking to the Oracle. Can we have some concrete answers plz :) trying to understand
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05:32<rpetre>my answer (oracle-ish, i admit, but meh) is that the loadavg value should not be taken as anything else than a rough indicator of how loaded the system is
05:33<rpetre>and it should be interpreted only as relative to past value of itself, on the same machine
05:33<rpetre>not cpu usage, not number of procs, not other machines
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05:33<lamby_>rpetre: cool. so relative load (diff x min).
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05:33<xun>lamby_, for example when I had problems with my raid i got loads of 10+, even though the cpu was idle, just because the processes where waiting for io
05:34<rpetre>lamby_: i mean, figure out what "normal" is for that machine, and set up alerts accordingly
05:34<Rehnquist_>guys, i need some clarification... i'm reading up on virtual memory and as i knew beforehand, Intel platforms use paging to accomplish this. however, i can't find much on the topic for AMD cpus
05:34<lamby_>rpetre: I'll see if I can do that. ta.
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05:34<rpetre>and those alerts will mean nothing more than "something is probably wrong"
05:34<lamby_>rpetre: super. thanks people.
05:34<rpetre>lamby_: regarding the backup job, you can probably put some time-based exceptions
05:35<rpetre>like "don't alert on this value between 3am and 4am" or something
05:35<rpetre>Rehnquist: amd cpus are just another implementation of intel platform
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05:36<Rehnquist>rpetre, ah-ummm... so the platform is still the same, regardless of chip manufacturer
05:37<lamby_>rpetre: I can setup the hours that the trigger is valid for. I did think of that.
05:37<lamby_>rpetre: but what happens if something 'bad' happens during that hour ?
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05:37<lamby_>i.e. a genuine problem with the system whilst the backup is being done ?
05:37<Rehnquist>rpetre, thanks!! :)
05:37<rpetre>lamby_: how would you tell, if it cries wolf anyway?
05:38<lamby_>rpetre: it would be evern more loaded maybe ?! i.e. if it hits 5 then that's an expected spike but 10 should issue an email ?
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05:38<rpetre>lamby_: that's why you need to have relevant metrics, loadavg by itself is nothing else than a general flag
05:38<rpetre>lamby_: you can have some other problems that do not raise loadavg much
05:38<lamby_>rpetre: will go away and have a good long think. thanks for your suggestions
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05:39<lamby_>rpetre: oh but htere are many alerts per host. it's jsut host unreachables and load average alerts that i get spammed with when there aren't actual issues
05:39<lamby_>I'd like to make the alerts 'better quality' to increase signal to noise ratio. and therefore the attention the emails get from support
05:40<lamby_>because currently support ignore the load and uncreachable ones and only respond to the others
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05:41<rpetre>lamby_: so if they are ignored anyway, sending them makes support even more insensitive to real alerts
05:41<rpetre>"oh, that machine always complains at this time"
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05:41<rpetre>sometimes, a good alerting strategy is to cut down on the alerts instead of sending more
05:42<rpetre>that's why i asked you what do you intend for the alert to _mean_
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05:43<rpetre>host unreachables might mean you have bad networking and maybe you need to do better monitoring of netw. equipments
05:43<rpetre>(sorry everyone, i think we're getting offtopic)
05:43<rjsalts>lamby_: or the check timed out
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05:44<rjsalts>lamby_: nagios has a default of 10 seconds for checks
05:46<cixuz>need some help sorting out my sources.list, this are the current contents:
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05:47<cixuz>problem: apt complains about conflicting dependencies whenever i try installing a package
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05:48<rjsalts>cixuz: it's probably something doing a transition into testing
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05:49<cixuz>rjsalts: indeed, i dist-upgraded from squeeze to wheezy
05:50<cixuz>rjsalts: but i've replaced everything in sources.list with wheezy, so why is it not accepting this?
05:50<rjsalts>cixuz: I mean with testing there is no guarantee a particular package will have all its dependencies
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05:50<cixuz>rjsalts: you would expect SOME package to have? i can't install anything
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05:51<themill>rjsalts: actually, testing should be entirely self contained. It might be broken in all sorts of exciting ways, but it should be complete.
05:51<themill>cixuz: real output would be handy to see in a pastebin; /msg dpkg bat
05:51<cixuz>rjsalts: hang on
05:52<rjsalts>themill: ah, I just assumed stuff might not get through from unstable atomically
05:52<rjsalts>themill: and I know Xorg is in flux on unstable at the moment
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05:53<cixuz>rjsalts: updated the paste with output from apt-get
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05:55<rjsalts>cixuz: personally I'd go into aptitude and search for broken packages with the b key
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05:58<cixuz>rjsalts: not very familiar with aptitude, what command to use?
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05:59<rjsalts>cixuz: aptitude
05:59<cixuz>rjsalts: aptitude -b ?
05:59<rjsalts>cixuz: then you'll get to a menu driven curses interface, and then hit the b key
05:59<cixuz>rjsalts: oh
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06:01<fektom>hi all
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06:02<fektom>I need help with mount, maybe someone can help me
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06:03<OpenTokix>fektom: maybe, ask your questin
06:03<fektom>I use DEbian 6.0.2 with gnome and I build a company machine
06:03<fektom>this machine has apache mysql php
06:03<Rehnquist>another question... is there any way to tell if a system is under memory pressure?
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06:04<OpenTokix>Rehnquist: top, free -m, htop
06:04<OpenTokix>Rehnquist: give you various info about memory usage
06:04<fektom>and I dont want this machine to automount every single pendrive, only a selected one
06:04<cixuz>rjsalts: ok, removing google-chrome seems to have done the trick
06:04<Rehnquist>would this work on other linux systems? fedora, for ex
06:05<fektom>so how can i disable automount but enable it in the mean time for a special pendrive?
06:06<fektom>i tried things with fstab and UUID options but didn't work
06:06<OpenTokix>fektom: can't you just disable automount and manually mount the actual pendrive?
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06:07<fektom>well I'll be the admin so if there is no other chance I will do manually
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06:07<fektom>but i have problem with manual mount as well
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06:07<fektom>if I give a command like this:
06:08<fektom>mount -t -o rw,exec -U (UUID of the pendrive) /home/myusername
06:08<fektom>the shell gives a line that only root can do this
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06:10<fektom>I'm a bit lazy, and dont want to mount the pendrive by root every day... Can I mount by normal user as well?
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06:12<cixuz>rjsalts: packaing is still broken though: there are 4 updates available, but they are not installable
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06:13<lamby_>fektom: you could just add it to /etc/fstab
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06:13<fektom>ok, but I realised if I add it to fstab and make a reboot
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06:14<fektom>and the pendrive is still connected, it will work, but the mount directory will get the root permissions, and a normal user can not save anythingg into
06:14<grove>fektom: Put noauto,user in the options in fstab
06:15<lamby_>and nosetuid
06:15<fektom>I'll try it
06:16<fektom>give a try and come back
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06:16<lamby_>otherwise normal people will be able to run potentialy harmful scripts. they could put a setuid script on the pendrive (which they mounted on their own computer) and then execute it when it's mounted on yours
06:16<lamby_>so I think for removable media such as pendrives it makes sense a security precaution.
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06:18<lindi->grove: "user" is kind of tricky option especially on multiuser machines
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06:19<lindi->grove: since some user can leave a background process that clones every usb flash drive that is ever connected to the machine
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06:21<grove>lindi-: Well, normally users won't have the permissions to read other user's drives, but yes, caution should be excerted
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06:30<fektom>re all
06:31<fektom>I tried the things with fstab but nosetuid,noauto,user options didn't mount automatically
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06:32<fektom>I tried mount from the shell, but shell said only root can do it
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06:33<fektom>than I tried without noauto option, debian tried to mount, but it said I have to give the filesystem information in fstab...
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06:34<fektom>sorry I'm really lost with the mount function
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06:37<Myon>fektom: wrong filesystem type, probably
06:38<lamby_>what is debian's stance with regareds to systemd. any plans for it? is it already in Sid/testing ?
06:38<Myon>systemd 29-1.1 | wheezy | source, amd64, armel, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc
06:38<Myon>systemd 29-1.1 | sid | source, amd64, armel, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc
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06:38<babilen>lamby_: Read
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06:39<lamby_>babilen: thanks
06:39<babilen>lamby_: It is a *loooong* thread, but that it should contain all there is to the "official" position of Debian regarding systemd
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06:40<babilen>lamby_: I hope you enjoy reading it, as you will probably spend the rest of the day doing so.
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06:40<matsp888>good day to you, babilen
06:42<matsp888>i'm still a happy debian camper (especially happy since USB audio works flawlessly)
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06:42<babilen>matsp888: Great :)
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06:42<lamby_>babilen: I'm just reading the systemd author's response. chuckle :)
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06:46<babilen>lamby_: The main problem with systemd is that it is aimed at Linux and Debian targets other kernels as well (kfreebsd, hurd) -- The consensus seemed to be that sysvinit should go eventually, that scripts for only a single system should be maintained and that it *might* be advantageous to switch to systemd *if* this does not increase the maintainence work for kfreebsd, porters and the project.
06:48<lindi->babilen: does hurd even use sysvinit?
06:49<babilen>lindi-: I have absolutely no idea and have to confess that I don't really care.
06:49<lindi->babilen: my understanding was that it doesn't
06:49<babilen>lindi-: Ok, thanks for pointing that out.
06:50<lindi->since that was mentioned at the kfreebsd bof
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06:50<babilen>What is hurd using?
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06:53<lindi->babilen: no idea,,-first-steps-td32123050.html from 2011 starts with "since a couple of days, I've started trying to integrate sysvinit in
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06:54<lindi->so let's not bring hurd to the systemd discussion :)
06:55<babilen>s/hurd/though-shall-not-speak-its-name/ then :)
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06:56<babilen>s/though/thou/ -- grrr
06:57<matsp888>typical metallica word...
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07:25<chechu>ay algun español por aqui
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07:26<lastnode>chitchat: #ubuntu-us
07:26<lastnode>er it turns out i cant read /part notices
07:27<chitchat>lastnode: was that for me?
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07:27<lastnode>no, chitchat, for the user who left. sorry
07:27<chitchat>no probs
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07:54<imperium>hi, sorry for my english. i still cant use my wifi (last time it worked >6 months ago using 2.6.32 kernel). im using ath5k driver. after boot, the interface was soft blocked. i tried to rfkill unblock, but the nm-applet shows "disconnected". after that, if i restart the network-manager, rfkill list result shows Hard blocked. any hints?
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08:01<lastnode>imperium: i wish i could help. you want to try #debian on too?
08:01<cixuz>how to configure the synaptics touchpad for gnome? the steps listed here ( for creating xorg.conf won't work
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08:07<imperium>lastnode: ok i will ask there, thx :)
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08:08<wols_>cixuz: normally it just works
08:09<cixuz>wols_: multitouch etc don't work...not even clicking on the pad works without setting gnome-specific changes
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08:24<cixuz>tried booting into single user mode as well...but Xorg -configure still fails
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08:34<babilen>cixuz: I would recommend to configure it without a xorg.conf, but with a device specific configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d). Something like: would do. See "man 4 synaptics" for further options.
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08:35<babilen>cixuz: You can name it /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-synaptics.conf for example, but the only invariant in the name is that it has to end in .conf - That would allow Xorg to configure the rest of the deviced automatically. See also "/msg dpkg empty xorg.conf"
08:36<cixuz>babilen: there is not X11/xorg.conf.d/ either
08:37<babilen>cixuz: Yes, sure. Please read "/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d" as it mentions that you have to create that directory manually if it does not exist already.
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08:46<cixuz>babilen: sorry, had to part because this irssi is screwed up...anything else i have to do after creating xorg.conf.d/synaptics.conf?
08:46<babilen>cixuz: Restart X
08:46<cixuz>babilen: but it will find this new .conf by itself?
08:46<babilen>cixuz: yes
08:47<babilen>cixuz: Please also make sure that you *do not* have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf
08:48<cixuz>babilen: i don't...but...still no clickable pad
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08:50<babilen>cixuz: Could you paste the output of "egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices", "synclient -l", "xinput list" and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to please? (You have to install xinput)
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08:54<babilen>cixuz: Please put it all in a single paste. Thank you :)
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09:02<cixuz>babilen: alright, one BIG paste:
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09:04<babilen>cixuz: "TapButton1 = 0" -- Does it work when you run "synclient TapButton1=1" ? May I also see your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/synaptics.conf?
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09:07<cixuz>babilen: updated paste with current .conf (that's the one that worked on arch linux); yes, synclient as above got the tapping working
09:07<babilen>cixuz: Please note line 502, 504 and 505 in your paste. There is, apparently, something wrong with your synaptics touchpad.
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09:09<babilen>cixuz: Ok, good news that it is working with synclient. Please give me a second.
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09:12<babilen>cixuz: seems to be what is happening here. +
09:12<babilen>cixuz: Oops. mentioned the bug report twice -- I meant -- Which version of Debian are you running?
09:13<babilen>cixuz: Looks like squeeze, just want to make sure.
09:13<cixuz>babilen: no, it's wheezy
09:13<babilen>cixuz: Why are you running a .32 kernel then?
09:13<babilen>,versions xserver-xorg-core
09:13<judd>Package xserver-xorg-core on i386 -- lenny: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny3; lenny-proposed-updates: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny4; squeeze: 2:1.7.7-13; squeeze-backports: 2:1.10.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:1.10.4-1; sid: 2:1.11.0-1
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09:14<babilen>cixuz: Right, the Xorg version matches the one in wheezy.
09:14<cixuz>babilen: probably because my upgrade from squeeze didn't update the kernel as it should have?
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09:16<babilen>cixuz: Ok, you probably have the wrong metapackage installed. Due to the new version (3.0) you now want to have either: 1. linux-image-{amd64,686} installed (recommended) or 2. Install the 3.0 kernel package directly.
09:16<babilen>cixuz: Could you paste the output of "aptitude search ~i~n^linux-image" please?
09:16<themill>("aptitude versions ~i~n^linux-image" ftw!)
09:17<babilen>themill: Uuuh, fancy :-D
09:17*babilen rewires neurons and muscle memory
09:18<themill>babilen: versions is >=squeeze though. gives you pinning information too :)
09:18*babilen hugs dburrows
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09:18<cixuz>babilen: updated the paste
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09:19<rpetre>themill: nice, too bad the aptitude bash-completion script seems unaware of it
09:19<themill>rpetre: make it so!
09:19<rpetre>(debian's b-c fueled my bad habit to tab-complete everything)
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09:19<rpetre>themill: i hope i will ;)
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09:21<babilen>cixuz: Yes, please install "linux-image-686" and paste your sources.list along with the output of the command mentioned in "/msg dpkg not available" -- After you have done that, reboot and test if the touchpad is working now. If it is still not working, please refer to the bug report I linked to earlier and try the fixes mentioned therein (if any) and the one from the arch wiki.
09:21<babilen>cixuz: I'll be back in a second
09:21<cixuz>babilen: right
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09:24<cixuz>could someone please repaste the last lines babilen said for me?...i hate this broken irssi :-(
09:25<jww_>it the last time he talked to you.
09:26<cixuz>jww_: thanks
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09:30<cixuz>babilen: ok, installed and rebooted...sadly, the pad is not working
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09:39<babilen>cixuz: Please read the bug report, it contains links to all relevant bug reports upstream (kernel) and links to fixes. It seems that adding "MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"" to your .conf file works, but Cyril makes a valid point.
09:40<cixuz>babilen: i tried adding just the MatchDevicePath...still not working though
09:41<babilen>cixuz: In the kernel bug report the variant of booting with the "i8042.nomux" kernel option ... All I can personally do right now is to read the bug reports and try the solutions mentioned in there, but you can do that yourself. Are you running a desktop environment?
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09:43<cixuz>babilen: yes, it's the gnome desktop
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09:44<babilen>cixuz: Can you enable tapping in Gnome's mouse configuration settings? (gnome-control-center → mouse → touchpad → Enable mouse clicks with touchpad)
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09:44<cixuz>babilen: yes, i would think so, but that won't handle multitaps
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09:46<babilen>cixuz: I know, but it is better than the status quo -- It seems though as if you can enable it with synclient and xinput (you have to install that if you want to use it as mentioned earlier) that might be a valid workaround. Please pay attention to the bug reports, I ran out of ideas.
09:47<cixuz>babilen: yes, with synclient even multitapping works perfectly
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09:48<cixuz>babilen: after upgrading the kernel as you suggested the old kernel is still around as an option in this right?
09:48<babilen>cixuz: So write a little script that runs synclient and run it automatically when you open a gnome session. Apart from that: Read *all* referenced bug reports and in particular the kernel one. I would also try the different i8042.* options
09:48<babilen>cixuz: Sure, but you can remove/purge it if you want.
09:49<cixuz>babilen: minor issue as well: gnome insists on using a huge text in all my xterminals, how to correct this?
09:50<babilen>cixuz: In gnome-terminal?
09:50<cixuz>babilen: hm, simply going into preferences and reducing font size did that the best option?
09:51<babilen>cixuz: In gnome-terminal?
09:51<mosno>cixuz: or dpi
09:51<cixuz>babilen: yes, it's gnome-terminal
09:52<cixuz>mosno: but it's just the terminal font, other text looks ok
09:52<babilen>cixuz: Right click → profiles → edit profiles → edit font size
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09:52<babilen>cixuz: (right click on a gnome-terminal that is)
09:52<babilen>edit current profile IIRC
09:52<mosno>cixuz: then what babilen said
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09:59<armani>is there a command to clear the keyboard buffer? my qu?>< don:t correspond to the proper settings?
10:01<babilen>armani: "clear", "reset" or "stty sane" ?
10:01<babilen>armani: I also do not know what a "qu?><" is if that is of any relevance for your question.
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10:15<grummund>Hi, would someone be able to confirm the correct ownership and permissions on /usr/local/bin for a new install pls?
10:16<grummund>ls -ld /usr/local/bin
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10:16<OpenTokix>grummund: drwxrwsr-x 2 root staff 4096 Jul 13 13:28 /usr/local/bin
10:16<grummund>OpenTokix: great, thanks for that.
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10:40<jsosa>hello guys, i need some help with a testing distribution and pulseaudio
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10:42<grummund>What's the correct term for the 's' in drwxrwsr-x ?
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10:44<jsosa>why my testing stars a pulseaudio for an unknow user (only appears its userIDnumber) that blocks my pulseaudio process ?
10:44<grummund>thank you
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11:27<murgraal>Mitäs täällä tapahtunee
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11:34<murgraal>pärinäkeittiö :D
11:34<murgraal>miten mä oon täällä murgraalina
11:34<dpkg>methinks fi is Finland, or the end of an if block, or an abbreviation for in FIFO First In First Out, or /join #debian-fi
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12:25<dpkg>pl is, like, polska -> #debian-pl (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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12:31<Dromik>mam problem z debianem
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12:32<dpkg>well, pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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12:33<jhutchins_lt>Which is to say we lazy Americans don't understand Polish.
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13:29<alazare619>can anyone here help me im having an issue with livebuild and no one is in the lb channel
13:29<ompaul>alazare619: and you ask on freenode and on oftc
13:29<ompaul>you will be ignored by people in both channesl for that one I guess
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13:32<chealer>Alam_Lenny: did you try #debian-live ?
13:32<chealer>Alam_Lenny: sorry
13:32<zaduma>Can anyone help me with an issue I am having with flashplugin-nonfree (or i assume that is where the problem lies). When I fullscreen a video (youtube, hulu, etc) It acts very choppy, I have been googling this for some time and have not found anything that works, so I am here...
13:32<chealer>alazare619: did you try #debian-live ?
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13:34<zeus_>kop: are you online ? I'm zeus, and days ago you helped me about a parted problem. May I have your attention please ?
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13:36<chealer>alazare619: please request permission before sending non-personal messages in private. if #debian-live doesn't know, I'm afraid we won't. try a mailing list.
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13:37<jlarson>zaduma: unfortunately, there is probably nothing you can do short of getting a faster processor
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13:38<zaduma>jlarson: that should not be an issue
13:39<jlarson>zaduma: what do you mean? just curious, what proc do you have at the moment?
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13:39<zaduma>i7 3.06
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13:40<jlarson>well that sucks...
13:40<jlarson>video card?
13:40<zaduma>i forget which exact model but it is an ati hd 6000 series
13:41<zaduma>and i have the drivers installed for it properly
13:41<jlarson>flash is notoriously crappy on both linux and mac
13:41<themill>s/ on.*//
13:41<jlarson>i agree
13:41<ompaul>jamuraa: you don't even need the the on
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13:44<zeus_>Hi all, I need some help. Days ago i've dist-upgraded a debian lenny to squeeze. All the upgrade process was ok without errors. But when i rebooted with the new kernel i noticed that some partitions was not detected by squeeze. Launching fdisk -l i got error "Unable to seek on /dev/sda"
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13:45<zeus_>It seems it was a partitioning error made by the old partman.
13:46<zeus_>Now i have to dist-upgrade my servers and i'd like to prevent this type of errors. Can anyone tell if there i a way to predict this wrong partitioning error ?
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13:47<zaduma>Any input as to what is the best hex editor? Might as wells ask before I install one since I'm in the channel.
13:48<Bushmills>"the best" according what criteria?
13:48<valdyn>zeus_: why do you think that your error has *anything* to do with partitions beyond that fact that partitions on a broken disk cant be read?
13:48<zaduma>personal opinion
13:48<zaduma>i need to edit some hex values
13:48<Bushmills>zaduma: in that case, the one which you like best
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13:48<zaduma>You do realize that this is why people stick with windows?
13:49<zeus_>valdyn: because i think i 've used tha same installation cd
13:49<valdyn>zeus_: so no real reason
13:49<valdyn>zeus_: theres a non-sequitor there. Fdisk said that it cannot read your disk. that is all
13:50<zeus_>valdyn: anyvay partition were not broken. If i reboot using the old kernel (2.6.26) i remember i was able to see all partitions
13:50<valdyn>zeus_: for all we know the reason can be anything from broken hardware to broken software
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13:51<valdyn>zeus_: the error indicates that you found a bug in the kernel or managed to expose a bug in your hardware that isnt visible with the old kernel
13:51<valdyn>zeus_: this is nothing you can take precautions against
13:51<Bushmills>zaduma: why, do windows people give better answers to questions regarding personal opinion?
13:52<zeus_>valdyn: googling about "can't have a partition out side the disk" it seems many other users had similap problems.
13:52<valdyn>zeus_: you said "Unable to seek on sda", thats not the same
13:52<zaduma>Bushmills: no, it's because they don't have problems like these that require them to hex edit some files. And, if they do, there is support for almost every problem, you can get a better answer on yahoo answers about a windows problem than you can in an IRC channel with 502 people in it about the OS your using.
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13:53<Bushmills>Bushmills: "the best" according what criteria? - zaduma: personal opinion
13:53<zeus_>valdyn: ok, call me paranoyd, but i think the a server running an old debian is better then a server running squeeze but unable to read partitions :-)
13:53<themill>zaduma: okteta and ghex are both popular. I can't recall the last time I needed a hex editor for solving a debian problem though
13:53<Bushmills>feel free to give a better idea of what your "best" criteria are
13:53<valdyn>zeus_: sure
13:53<zaduma>Bushmills: stop trolling man.
13:53<zeus_>valdyn: infact fdisk sayd cannot seel and parted "can't have a partition out side the disk"
13:53<themill>(and I can't imagine how a hex editor is going to make flash better)
13:54<zaduma>themill: thanks, I am trying ghex now.
13:54<Bushmills>zaduma: learn to ask proper questions
13:54<zeus_>valdyn: infact fdisk sayd cannot seek and parted "can't have a partition out side the disk"
13:54<valdyn>zeus_: I see
13:54<zaduma>themill: something i read here 3rd to last post
13:54<themill>zaduma: Bushmills has a perfectly valid point. I think ghex is crap, personally, but others seem to like it. No doubt they don't like my choice of okteta...
13:54<valdyn>zeus_: i have a feeling this is a bug with your hardware or hardware driver, but this is still speculation
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13:55<zaduma>themill: The point he has is valid, however his answer is full of him just being a troll. He knew what I meant, surely.
13:55<valdyn>zeus_: if you care to fix this you can try finding the kernel where this starts
13:55<zaduma>themill: All reviews are merely opinion, no?
13:56<valdyn>zeus_: and if you just want a newer debian you can try the kernel on kmutos installers and debian backports kernels
13:56<zeus_>valdyn: for what i know it was a partitioning error. The old partman made partitions aligned to sectors and not to cylinders. And this was causing the problem under 2.6.32 kernel
13:56<simonlnu>s/he who smelt it, dealt it
13:56<valdyn>zeus_: fdisk has no problem reading empty or wrong partition tables
13:56<themill>zaduma: we have no idea what your criteria for "best" are. And you don't really want 500 people all telling you what their favourite hex editors are, do you? "axi-cache search hex edit role::program" would be a good thing for you to do if you want to know what is available.
13:57<valdyn>zeus_: alignment is not a problem for fdisk
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13:57<valdyn>zeus_: and you can create partitions of any size, aligned or not aligned in fdisk
13:57<zeus_>valdyn: WOW ! this is a good news ! because i'm already running a backpoted kernel on lenny and it's 2.6.32
13:57<themill>zaduma: I also doubt that a 2 year old posting about making flash work is likely to be correct.
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13:57<zaduma>themill: I have no other choice, no no other solutions have worked.
13:57*Bushmills thinks somebody saying "that's why people stick to windows" because "502 people can't tell what his personal preferences are" is much more a troll than somebody pointing that out
13:58<simonlnu>Bushmills: hence my comment ;)
13:58<valdyn>no one cares if people stick to windows, except microsoft finance department and shareholders.. why should we care
13:58<Bushmills>glad we agree :)
13:58<themill>zaduma: if you've really got the fglrx drivers installed, do you have SGI in the render string anyway?
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13:59<zaduma>themill: I'm about to find out
13:59<themill>umm.. you could just run glxinfo...
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14:00<alazare619>is anyone here fluent in the lb process?
14:00<zeus_>valdyn: please give me your help another minute ! How can i know if my partitions are aligned to cylinders ?
14:00<zaduma>glxinfo doesn't work
14:01<themill>dpkg: tell zaduma about doesn't work
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14:01<valdyn>zeus_: i have no idea
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14:02<valdyn>zeus_: i just know that this is irrelevant
14:02<zeus_>valdyn: well ... ok ! I have to risk !
14:02<zaduma>themill: When I type glxinfo into console, where I assumed I should. It returns, bash: glxinfo: command not found
14:03<valdyn>zeus_: for fdisk your harddisk is a stream of bytes or a stream of 512 byte sized blocks
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14:03<simonlnu>zaduma: see, "doesn't work" is different from "it's not installed". your lack of communication like this is irritating.
14:04<themill>zaduma: are you using fglrx? istr they have a slightly different command
14:05<zaduma>simonlnu: Trying to work on fixing my communication, or lack there of. I am not used to speaking to people who do not imply information from context, but I will try to be better about it.
14:05<simonlnu>zaduma: we all try, doing our best is the only thing that's expected of us
14:05<zeus_>I also have antoher questions about dist-upgrading from lenny. I'm running a backported kernel (2.6.32). The squeezw release-notes says that i have to remove all non debian packages. If i revert with official debian 2.6.26 kernel my hardware will block linux boot. What to do in this case ?
14:06<simonlnu>at least, with myself ;)
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14:06<themill>zaduma: doesn't work could mean "segfaulted" could mean "locked up X" could mean "gave jibberish". I've seen it do all of those... I never imagined that "doesn't work" meant "I didn't install it when it was suggested to me"
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14:08<zaduma>themill: I do not mean to be disrespectful, I understand how it could be taken as many things. apt-get install glxinfo returns unable to locate package, so I am unsure of how to proceed.
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14:08<themill>dpkg: tell zaduma about apt-file
14:09<themill>zaduma: but as I said, I've not touched fglrx for years and don't know what their equivalent command is that you've probably already got.
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14:09<valdyn>theres fglrxgears I think, i dont know about any fglrxinfo
14:09<zaduma>themill: lapfrog was correct fglrxinfo was the command, or at least it produces information. What do you want?
14:09<themill>valdyn: that sounds familiar
14:10<themill>zaduma: nfc. You're the one who's looking for SGI in the renderer string...
14:10<simonlnu>glxutils or such...
14:10<zaduma>themill: There was no instance of <null>SGI<null> as the forum thread I linked showed.
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14:11<simonlnu>doh, mesa-utils
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14:14<jgoppert>how can i use cmake install to install to an absolute path and make cpack realize to append its packaging directory?
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14:47<bgat>Anyone here using virtualbox with sid? I'm trying to follow the instructions on (which I know are written for squeeze), and not having any luck...
14:48<jhutchins_lt2>bgat: You might try #debian-next
14:49<bgat>jhutchins_lt2: thanks, will do. I'm also doing a reinstall of virtualbox-ose, and this time it seems to be trying to generate kernel modules--- which it didn't do last time (perhaps because I didn't have linux-headers installed).
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14:51<wp>bgat: using it in stable, via backports
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15:04<awaxa>what would you guys use to generate a report from a bind9 querylog?
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15:05<awaxa>something like webalizer/awstats/calamaris
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15:25<sohmestra>is there a trick to make wget give me the page displayed when a 404 is encountered?
15:25<sohmestra>I actually want to download the 404 page
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15:25<sohmestra>wget -O foo.file
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15:25<sohmestra>gives me an empty foo.file
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15:26<jhutchins_lt>sohmestra: What actual URL?
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15:27<sohmestra> wget -O /home/david_clymer/Temp/error-template.html
15:27<sohmestra>that should result in a 404
15:28<jhutchins_lt>sohmestra: There's no actual html in that page, it's a script.
15:28<jhutchins_lt>sohmestra: Also doesn't generate a 404.
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15:29<sohmestra>that's odd, because wget reports a 404
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15:29<sohmestra>at least when I run that exact command
15:31<sohmestra>anyway, it shouldn't matter how it is generated. The response should contain HTML.
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15:32<sohmestra>or rather, I happen to know that in this case, HTML is returned.
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15:34<sohmestra>anyway, curl gets me the data, even if wget doesn't.
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15:35<d0ct0r>Anyone know how to download multiple files with wget? wget -r http://random.url/software/wget it starts also downloading stuff from "software" directory -- i only want the files in "wget" dir
15:36<jhutchins_lt>sohmestra: I don't get any html.
15:36<jhutchins_lt>jceweasel - 6.0
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15:43<jlarson>sohmestra: if you want to retrieve an http error page, use curl: curl -O
15:43<jlarson>heh, i'm slow... you can't do it with wget though
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16:04<rpetre>awaxa: see "bindgraph" package, it's what i used
16:04<awaxa>rpetre, thank you
16:05<rpetre>it does rrd graphs, not sure if it's what you want
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16:06<awaxa>i'm a big fan of rrd graphs and cacti, etc. anything to make log reading require less brain power
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16:37<tidux>quick question: how do I get urxvt to fall back to the GNU unifont when no other font on the system has an appropriate glyph?
16:38<tidux>and yes, I have the unifont installed
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16:43<tomcruise>hi- if my destop is on and the subnet mask is, then I shouldn't be able to connect to a ip addr, right?
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16:44<blarson>tomcruise: wrong
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16:44<tomcruise>blarson: why?
16:45<blarson>tomcruise: it's in the same /23
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16:45<tomcruise>what does /23 mean?
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16:47<tomcruise>if my subnetmask (which i got through dhcp) said, could i change it to to get it to work?
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16:54<blarson>tomcruise: are they on the same net, or is there a bridge or proxy-arp router?
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16:56<d0ct0r>Anyone know if hardware acceleration (in VLC Player) works in Debian?
16:56<Bushmills>xv? yes, depending on video card and -driver. most do.
16:57<d0ct0r>Radeon HD 5770
16:57<Bushmills>oh, that wasn't your question. yours was "anyone knows". answer: probably
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16:59<tidux>even CPU decoding in VLC is fine for most systems made in the last seven years
16:59<tidux>unless you're on an ARM system or something else really, really small, GPU decoding shouldn't matter
16:59<tidux>but yeah, it should be enabled for you
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17:09<nicolas>Hi, I have a removable disk I want to mount with pmount using its UUID. It works with mount in root. But with pmount with the following error:
17:09<nicolas>Error: could not determine real path of the device: No such file or directory
17:09<nicolas>Any idea ?
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17:11<babilen>nicolas: How do you mount it?
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17:12<nicolas>pmount -t ext4 UUID=fc264689-4306-4adf-bc9e-862fd642c3c9 /media/backup
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17:13<nicolas>babilen: /media/backup has 777 permissions
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17:14<babilen>nicolas: pmount works *only* on block devices in /dev -- so you need something like /dev/sdXN or /dev/disk/by-uuid/UUID (haven't tried the latter though) -- Read the pmount manpage
17:14<Uuuuser>nicolas: acording to pmount man-page there is no mountpoint-parameter
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17:14<babilen>nicolas: You can also drop the -t ext4 parameter and you wouldn't use /media/backup but just "backup"
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17:17<nicolas>babilen: Seems to work using /dev/disk/by-uuid/UUID => Thanks !
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17:24<Knorrie>why... does apt-cache policy say 'Package pin: (not found)' I cannot find out why
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17:27<szad>Hello, i have a problem with SLIM on lxde in debian. I have only a logout message in my quit system option. I want to have possibility to reboot shutdown and halt from my user. What can i do? I cant find an answer on deb wiki.
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17:34<winsen1>hi everybody
17:34<tomcruise>hey- what is the best way to migrate a table on a mysql server running debian over to microsoft sql server?
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17:34<wp>tomcruise: export it as sql
17:34<Goldline>plz anyone i messed up etc/interfaces now i cant come online - does anyone have an example line
17:35<Goldline>heres what I have
17:35<Goldline># The primary network interface
17:35<Goldline>allow-hotplug eth0
17:35<Goldline>iface lo dhcp
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17:36<chealer>Goldline: did you check /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz ?
17:37<tomcruise>wp: can ms sql server read mysql's sql export?
17:37<Goldline>ok heres the prob im able to go online with the default setting but im unable to use the local mysql server using localhost dunno why it worked before
17:37<wp>tomcruise: SQL is SQL. just use mysqldump --add-drop-table
17:37<LesleyL>Hi all. I built a new kernel, and now LVM doesn't work. The device files of the physical volumes exist, but pvscan says "no matching physical volumes found". 2.6.32 on etch (yes, I know), config is here: - any sugggestions?
17:37<tomcruise>this table is very very large
17:37<tomcruise>like 2TB
17:38<tomcruise>is there anything i should consider for a table that larger?
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17:38<wp>tomcruise: oracle. though personally i hate MS SQL and Oracle
17:38<prahal>Goldline: "autlo \n iface lo inet loopback"
17:38<tomcruise>i know- but i didn't have a choice when we bought lisences
17:38<tomcruise>i just have to clean up the mess
17:38<prahal>"auto lo"
17:39<Goldline>auto lo is enough?
17:39<tomcruise>but now we are stuck with ms sql server
17:39<prahal>not autlo (bad keyboard )
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17:39<wp>tomcruise: just export the SQL and then you can import it in Enterprise Manager. this is offtopic here
17:39<winsen1>need to install mail client Icedove, but i can not, can you help me, iam new user, thank you
17:39<tomcruise>is there anyway to write a shell script to do that?
17:39<prahal>Goldline: no , only a few characters were eaten by the keyboard so I only given the fixed first line
17:39<wp>I think even mysql is owned by big bad Oracle now. is nothing safe?
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17:40<prahal>then add second line "iface lo inet loopback"
17:40<Goldline>whatst he exact line please ,and i wanna be able to use localhost on my mysql server
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17:40<winsen1>i 've got evolution but i prefer thunderbird
17:40<tomcruise>wp: can i do this with a shell script?
17:40<Goldline>can you paste it in pastebin
17:40<Goldline>thats easier
17:40<wp>tomcruise: it's a one liner. mysqldump -h foo -u user -p db_name | bzip2 -c > for_msql.sql.bz2 , should do ya
17:40<prahal>I believe I should buy a new rf dongle for this keyboard . bad thing is one have to buy the full set of keyboard/mouse/ dongle . And I dislike new keyboards
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17:41<wp>winsen1: evolution is a crock of poo
17:41<tomcruise>no- like to automatically load the file into mssql?
17:41<tomcruise>so i don't have to click around
17:41<wp>tomcruise: if you're having that hard a time, and i assume you're using debian!!, there is myphpadmin
17:41<tomcruise>cuz i have to do this on a lot of servers for a lot of BIGASS tables
17:41<wp>or is it phpmyadmin? meh. know knows
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17:41<tomcruise>what is phpmyadmin?
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17:42<winsen1>wp: sorry , crock of poo? i didn't understand what do you mean
17:42<wp>tomcruise: it's a web UI for mysql
17:43<Goldline>localhost will work as hostname in mysql ifi m using those lines?
17:43<winsen1>can you help me?
17:43<prahal>should if your /etc/hosts is not broken too
17:44<Goldline>perhaps i should restart the whole network im not comeing online - isnt there a cmd for it elsei i restart
17:44<wp>why is GNU Backgammon no longer in debian :'(
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17:46<blarson>wp: You don't like the way xgammon segfaults all the time or something?
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17:47<Goldline>Alright im just rebooting it
17:47<prahal>tomcruise: if you want to load into mssql and ms does nto provide comand line tools or any mean to do the work programmatically there is no way to do it
17:48<prahal>I mean if they do not provide an api
17:48<wp>blarson: well since rosetta was deprecated in Mac OS X i've had to run a buggy verion in Lion that uses non PPC. God knows what the best way of running it now is? Windows Vm in virtual box no less. bit drastic but hey.
17:49<Goldline>localhost works
17:49<wp>tomcruise: you importing INTO mysql or INTO mssql?
17:49<Goldline>im not online
17:49<wp>Goldline: you look pretty online to me
17:50<Goldline>On my Vm :P
17:50<Goldline>the localhost works now
17:50<Goldline>i cant use the internet
17:50<Goldline>im not online
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17:50<Goldline>any idea?
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17:51<Goldline>Im able to use localhosto n mysql - but im not online
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17:54<Goldline>the networks is OK
17:54<Goldline>the internet is NOT OK
17:54<Goldline>Network: Online
17:54<Goldline>Internet: Offline
17:54<Goldline>Localhost: Working
17:54<Goldline>ANy idea?
17:55<prahal>sure but stop spamming /) ! I was looking after mssql stuff
17:55<amarc>Goldline> call your ISP ?
17:55<Goldline>Im talking about that im unable to use the Internet on my VM
17:56<Goldline>However the Network and LocalHost r working
17:56<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
17:56<Goldline>Using bridged
17:56<prahal>network is working ?
17:56<amarc>so problem is betwen your gateway and ISP's peer ?
17:56<prahal>so it is not a gateway box
17:56<Goldline>yes ive set it to bridged with replicated unchecked in vmware player
17:56<Goldline>that usually works
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17:58<wp>anyone played world of goo on debian?
17:58<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
17:58<prahal>could we stick to the non vm stuff first .) does the host box eth0 is up ?
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17:59<prahal>also I don't get the topology of your network . internet <-> isp device <-> hub <-> host box <-> vm guest ?
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18:00<Goldline>DSL Modem -> Router > PC 1 -> PC 2 -> PC 3
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18:00<prahal>might be only that you have to force eth0 up after config change (or just unplug / plug the ethernet cable to trigger the config update
18:01<Goldline>oh hang on
18:01<Goldline>the interface his name is Auto Eth0
18:01<Goldline>perhaps that is the issue
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18:02<prahal>in networkmanager ? if you use it you do not need eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces
18:02<Goldline>yes im using the network manager cause thats easier
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18:03<d0ct0r>Does anyone know how to connect to VPN in debian?
18:03<Goldline>Ii remove that and see what happens
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18:03<prahal>after removintg eth0 in interfaces file either ask networkmanager to redo the config or restart networkmanager
18:04<prahal>d0ct0r: depends : via gui / console . Which kind of VPN (vpnc / openconnect/ppptp, ...
18:06<d0ct0r>prahal: is it possible to connect to vpn via terminal?
18:06<prahal>winsen1: what is the issue you get from attempting to install icedove ?
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18:07<prahal>d0ct0r: I guess so but I am spoiled by networkmanager way of doing it via gui . That s why I was asking . So I find out if I was up to the task to help you
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18:08<carbon>Quick question about BASH
18:08<carbon>while [1]; do
18:08<carbon>ssh *@*.com
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18:08<prahal>[1] cannot work
18:08<carbon>What's wrong with that keep alive script?
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18:08<carbon>Can you help me fix it?
18:08<prahal>[ 1 ] may
18:08<carbon>I'll try that
18:08<prahal>[ true ] should
18:09<Goldline>prahal: please clarify can i remove the eth0 throughout the whole file?
18:09<prahal>especially since 1 is false in shell code
18:09<themill>,info autossh
18:09<judd>Package autossh (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: Automatically restart SSH sessions and tunnels. Version: 1.4b-4; Size: 28.7k; Installed: 136k; Homepage:
18:09<carbon>It worked.
18:09<carbon>That was a stupid mistake on my part :x
18:09<prahal>Goldline: comment the lines with '#' at the start of them . That will let you go backward if you want to disable networkmanager or need to for a while
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18:10<Bushmills>while 1; do ..
18:10<themill>carbon: also just "while :; do…" or "while true; do…"
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18:10<themill>Bushmills: -bash: 1: command not found
18:10<Bushmills>ehm ... while true
18:11<Bushmills>or while (( 1 ))
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18:12<Goldline>Rebooting VM hopefully this is working
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18:12<Goldline>removed "eth0" at all the lines
18:12<prahal>Goldline: restard networkmanager ?
18:12<Goldline>didnt work
18:12<Goldline>note: its a VM thats proly the issue
18:12<Goldline>just rebooting
18:12<prahal>you should have the internet working on the host system first
18:13<Goldline>Im usiang a static IP could this be the issue?
18:13<winsen1>oh sorry i forgot e at the end , i am stupid
18:13<prahal>I mean this was not clear from the previous backlog if this was already the case
18:13<Goldline>im using
18:13<Goldline>in the network manager
18:13<Bushmills>though for keepalive, while sleep 10; do may make more sense
18:14<prahal>I mean can you ping from the host box where the vm run
18:14<Goldline>so prahal ur saying that if ur not mentioning an interface that it will refer to the network manager by default?
18:14<prahal>by the way did someone managed to get rtsp client to work behing an iptables firewall ?
18:15<Goldline>odd man
18:15<Goldline>ok prahal
18:15<Goldline>the network / internet are working now
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18:16<Goldline>but now the localhost isnt working
18:16<prahal>Goldline: the interface will be named eth0 either way . It only need to be up and nothing preventing you from reaching the internet from the host box (then if there is a config issue on the vm manager that can be looked after
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18:16<prahal>did you remove "lo" too ?
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18:17<Goldline>no, should i ?
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18:18<Goldline>can i flush the network its freezing
18:19<Goldline>ur sure that i have to remove lo aswell?
18:19<prahal>no do not remove it
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18:19<prahal>I was wondering if you did (as localhost broke)
18:19<Goldline>i dont get it now the network/internet are down
18:19<Goldline>Do you have teamviewer?
18:20<Goldline>im gonna reboot but if that doesnt work
18:20<Goldline>renamed the network interface to eth0
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18:23<prahal>Goldline: not yet . I took a quick look at it . Might be anightmare to setup my firewall to let it work :/
18:23<d0ct0r>if i have the source code for a program "iceweasel" (aka icecat) -- how can i compile it? (
18:23<prahal>otherwise there is empathy desktop sharing
18:24-!-mode/#debian [+l 482] by debhelper
18:24<prahal>d0ct0r: ./configure && make
18:24<themill>d0ct0r: iceweasel and icecat are different things; there's an #icecat on freenode.
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18:24<d0ct0r>prahal: will that also install it for me?
18:24<jhutchins_lt2>d0ct0r: Why compile it yourself? Binaries are available.
18:24<dpkg>Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy or sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other xul-using applications. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>.
18:24<prahal>make install as root or via sudo
18:25<jhutchins_lt2>prahal: Which breaks package management.
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18:25<prahal>though be prepared for a lot of dependencies to build too
18:25<prahal>jhujhiti: in /usr/local ?
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18:25<themill>jhutchins_lt2: precisely where on do you get icecat packages?
18:26<jhutchins_lt2>Oh, crud, it's either iceweasel or icedove.
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18:26<jhutchins_lt2>In that case, best to build a .deb yourself.
18:26<prahal>Goldline: I am afraid we might spend a lot of time before completion this way . Firs reboot is of no use except when upgrading the kernel
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18:27<jhutchins_lt2>themill: I don't use dove or cat, so didn't remember that.
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18:27<jhutchins_lt2>(Wonder why they don't do all three)
18:27<d0ct0r>jhutchins_lt2: is it icecat 6.0?
18:28<jhutchins_lt2>d0ct0r: Sorry, as themill pointed out, they don't have icecat, just iceweasel and icedove.
18:28<themill>d0ct0r: why not use iceweasel instead of icecat?
18:28<themill>make life easier for yourself...
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18:29<d0ct0r>themill: yes, but is there a newer version of iceweasel?
18:30<themill>d0ct0r: if you'd asked that at the start, we could have pointed you to ...
18:30<jhutchins_lt2>,versions icecat
18:30<judd>Sorry, no package named 'icecat' was found in i386.
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18:32<prahal>Goldline: I still do not understand if you host box has internet issues or if it is only the VM on top of it
18:32<Goldline>prahal: ok the network and internet are working but i cant reach the mysql server using localhost
18:32<Goldline>is this due to that im using the network manager
18:32<prahal>from the vm or the host box ?
18:33<prahal>so host box has both internet and localhost ?
18:33<Goldline>you mean the physical machine?
18:33<jhutchins_lt2>I'm really showibng off my ignorance here, aren't I?\
18:33<Goldline>aswell as the vm
18:33<Goldline>the prob is mysql
18:33<Goldline>i cant use localhost
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18:33<Goldline>to connect to mysql
18:34<Goldline>it did work
18:34<Goldline>network / internet seem to be working as intended
18:34<prahal>mysql is on the vm ?
18:34<nyov>where does apt/dpkg extract deb control contents to? I need to fix some postinstall script to make the install finish properly
18:34<Goldline>cant connect to it using root as username and localhost as hostname neither with
18:35<prahal>cannot to it from inside the vm ?
18:35<Goldline>Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
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18:35<Goldline>thats what it says
18:35<Goldline>if im trying to connect
18:35<prahal>sockets are not localhost
18:35<Goldline>yes, inside the vm environment
18:36<prahal>mysql -h localhost -u youuser -p ?
18:36<Goldline>How can i fix this?
18:37<Goldline>sam error appears ifi m using the mysql console
18:37<prahal>with -h localhost ?
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18:38<Goldline>confirmed - same error
18:38<Goldline>with -h localhost
18:38<prahal>grep socket /etc/mysql/my.cnf | wc -l
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18:39<Goldline>and after that?
18:40<prahal>shoudl return a number
18:40<Goldline>number 4
18:40<prahal>and ps ax |grep mysqld should return something too
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18:40<prahal>ok 4 should be the same config as mine (estock debian)
18:40<Goldline>6511 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep mysqld
18:41<prahal>this is the config . The socket file is created by mysqld . That is why I ask about ps ax | grep mysqld to see if it is running
18:41<prahal>ok so mysqld is not running
18:41<Goldline>and how can i fix that?
18:41<prahal># /etc/init.d/mysql restart
18:41<Goldline>without # ?
18:41<prahal>if it returns [fail] then we will look into syslog and mysql logs
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18:42<prahal># is only the prompt for admin user
18:42<prahal>I use to add it so one knows if he needs to run the command as root/sudo or as his user
18:42<Goldline>Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!
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18:43<prahal>tail -f /var/log/syslog . Does it tells something obvious ?
18:43<nyov>hello. where does apt/dpkg extract deb control contents to at install time? I need to fix some postinstall script once to make the install finish properly
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18:43<Goldline>its a long list of errors ii use pastebin
18:43<prahal>also tail /var/log/mysql.err
18:44<prahal>hum for syslog I would first tell to check if anything relevant appear then pastebin
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18:45<diederik>nyov: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ (found through "locate postinst")
18:45<themill>nyov: /var/lib/dpkg/info, but either you've got a bug that wants fixing or you're doing it wrong™
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18:46<Goldline>tail /var/log/mysql.err that file does not exist
18:47<Goldline>says that mysqld.sock does not exist
18:47<nyov>themill, diederik, thanks a lot!
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18:48<Goldline>Do you have any idea lookins at
18:48<Goldline>tail /var/log/mysql.err
18:49<prahal>Goldline: weird it looks like it fails but at the stop
18:49<nyov>themill: yeah, it's a stupid ubuntu package for openbravo, that's not done quite correctly. but I already did postinstall manually, just need to make dpkg see it as installed for now
18:49<prahal>coudl youi try /etc/init.d/mysql start
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18:49<Goldline>yes but the question is why
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18:50<prahal>you should also have failure but this time the tail /var/log/syslog will be more helpfull
18:50<themill>nyov: trying packages designed for ubuntu on a debian box? Where could it go wrong...
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18:50<prahal>nyov: why don't you repack ?
18:51<prahal>at least or better a rebuild
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18:51<nyov>themill: good thing it's a vm that does not much else :) and the rest worked pretty good, it just assumes i have postgres 8.4 when it's 9.0 and fails
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18:53<nyov>prahal: i'm not trying to fix it, really. it's a test-run
18:54<prahal>Goldline: I do nto get it . THe output shows "/usr/sbin/mysqld: Shutdown complete" ... could you look at tail -n 50 /var/log/syslog (50 is for 50 last lines)
18:56<prahal>also your version of mysql package would help (the init script looks way diferrent from the sid one I have , from the output )
18:56<prahal>ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full!
18:57<prahal>$ df -h ?
18:57<Goldline>prahal can you use teamviewer?
18:57<prahal>well shit happens . Could be automatic download of new packages that filled /var partition or hundreds of things
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18:58<prahal>Goldline: I am installing it but it might take a while before I manage to setup the firewall to let it run with all its services
18:58<prahal>though we now know that the partition is full so mysqld cannot start
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19:00<Goldline>is there anyway to verify the mysql version number without having access to it
19:00<prahal>dpkg -l mysql-server
19:00<dpkg>No packages found matching mysql-server
19:01<Goldline>ii mysql-server 5.1.49-3 MySQL database server (metapackage depending
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19:06<miraenvigado>hello i've got a question
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19:11<LesleyL>any kernel experts out there? I've built a new kernel and now LVM doesn't work. Config:
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19:11<streuner_>if you searching for kernelgurus /j #kernelnewbies
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19:14<Goldline>prahal thanks so far perhaps we can conitnue later i havent solved it yet looking into the my.cnf config file
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19:15<kusanagi>i have an interface automaticallY created that i dont want, virbr0. Its created automaticallY everYtime i reboot, but i dont know where... i removed kvm* and qemu* and shutdown the interface with brctl but its still there
19:15<streuner_>miraenvigado: we prefer to just ask, if you have have a question just ask
19:15<kusanagi>evertime i reboot
19:16<streuner_>dpkg, ask
19:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
19:16<prahal>Goldline: teamviewer isntalled
19:16<prahal>ok gone
19:16<streuner_>miraenvigado: see what dpkg (bot) tell about ^^^
19:16<prahal>gasp I have not been clear about what I meant by /var behing full :(
19:17<streuner_>prahal: prolly wrong size of partition, who knows
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19:17<prahal>yes but the issue is that he did not understand that I meant there was no space to run mysql
19:18<prahal>it was so obvious to me that I took it for granted he got the hint
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19:20<miraenvigado>who know if is possible to install a wireless driver for win xp in linux
19:21<streuner_>you mean, you dont have a Linux driver for your wireless chip?
19:21<streuner_>ndiswrapper, but thats crap...
19:22<streuner_>miraenvigado: is that a notebook by any chance?
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19:22<miraenvigado>i tried ndiswrapper but it said that the driver is not the correct
19:22<streuner_>miraenvigado: notebook is laptop?
19:22<miraenvigado>is a laptop
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19:23<miraenvigado>it is a travelmate 2200
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19:23<miraenvigado>a old machine
19:23<diederik>kusanagi: look in /etc/udev/rules.d/ probably 70-pers...-net.rules
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19:24<streuner_>miraenvigado: did you search for your chipset and Linux (its supported or not)?
19:24<miraenvigado>no yet
19:24<miraenvigado>i dont know how
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19:24<miraenvigado>i'm a new user
19:25<kusanagi>thanks diederik
19:26<streuner_>miraenvigado: what does "lspci -nn" for example say about the wireless NIC? (please dont paste here)
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19:28<streuner_>an example - IDE Controller [8086:27c4] (rev 02)
19:28<streuner_>02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:001c] (rev 01
19:28<streuner_>judd, pciid 8086:27c4
19:28<miraenvigado>it doesn't show me the wireless card
19:28<judd>[8086:27c4] is '82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) SATA IDE Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'ata_piix' in squeeze. See also
19:28<abrotman>lsusb ?
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19:29<prylox>for some odd reason i lack the "less" program...which package is this hidden away in?
19:29<abrotman>!tell prylox about apt-file
19:30<streuner_>miraenvigado: it should be listed by lsusb/lspci, otherwise you have a problem
19:31<prylox>streuner_: as in "not more"
19:31<miraenvigado>not any
19:31<prahal> miraenvigado is there a hardware switch to power off the wifi ?
19:31<miraenvigado>it is turn on
19:32<prahal>on any box I owned the switch completely power off the device so it was no shown anymore
19:32<streuner_>miraenvigado: we need to know what kind of chipset is in the laptop
19:32<miraenvigado>i downloaded the correct driver in acer but the driver is only for xp
19:32<prahal>might be in bios (old box)
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19:33<miraenvigado>the bios does not allow changes
19:33<prahal>k so no
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19:33<miraenvigado><streuner what's the comand to do it?
19:33<streuner_>miraenvigado: lspci/lsusb
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19:34<miraenvigado>i tried lspci
19:34<prahal>dmidecode ?
19:34<miraenvigado>and the other one
19:34<miraenvigado>if you want i'll copy
19:35<d0ct0r>Anyone know if its possible to install a FREE BIOS on a computer thats debian on?
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19:35<nyov>d0ct0r: depends on the bios, not on the OS
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19:35<miraenvigado>i used lshw, copy and paste the answer?
19:36<icebrain>!tell miraenvigado about paste
19:37<prahal>d0ct0r: coreboot project list the hardware this is doable on
19:37<miraenvigado>look yourself
19:38<streuner_>02:02.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Linksys, A Division of Cisco Systems [AirConn] INPROCOMM IPN 2220 Wireless LAN Adapter (rev
19:38<streuner_>thats the wireless NIC
19:39<streuner_>judd, pciid 17fe:2220
19:39<judd>[17fe:2220] is 'IPN 2220 802.11g' from 'InProComm Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also
19:40<miraenvigado>how to download the driver?
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19:41<streuner_>well, Linux doesnt have a solution, if the manufactor doest provide some solution, you are on your own
19:41<miraenvigado>and so?
19:41<streuner_>means, you are using ndiswrapper or just use some other NIC
19:41<prahal>ndiswarpper . Where did you get the driver for xp you tried to use ?
19:42<miraenvigado>official web page
19:42<nyov>apparently the company is dead and hasn't released a source code or linux drivers
19:43<prahal>the instruction on do not work out ?
19:43<streuner_>nyov: or they dont give a damn about it (its a old laptop)...
19:43<miraenvigado>very old
19:43<nyov>yeah, so it's ndiswrapper
19:44<miraenvigado>but there's any solutions?
19:44<streuner_>buy some other NIC?
19:45<prahal>Lynksis is far from dead . It is a division of cisco nowadays :/
19:45<nyov>prahal: InProComm is dead, the chip manufacturer
19:45<miraenvigado>good solution, but is possible to install the original one?
19:46<streuner_>via ndiswrapper according to these infos, but its a nightmare
19:46<prahal>ah chip . Yes . baidu at the rescue :)
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19:48<nyov>i had no problems though with linksys being cisco, yet :) got some nice IP phones from them
19:49<miraenvigado>who has another idea? ....
19:50<nyov>miraenvigado: don't use wireless. or reverse-engineer your own driver. I think that's all the options you have.
19:50<streuner_>maybe you /msg dpkg laptops - they have on or similar sometimes good ideas
19:51<miraenvigado>this was the driver that i downloaded
19:52<miraenvigado>guys, if i shop a usb wireless card how to install?
19:52<prylox>annoyingrandomissue#2: tab-completing man pages does not to fix?
19:52<miraenvigado>using ndiswrapper?
19:52<streuner_>miraenvigado: install process shouldnt be a problem as long as its supported...
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19:53<streuner_>miraenvigado: keep in mind, USB wireless NICs arent well supported in Linux, so you should find out before...
19:53<miraenvigado>and how to know if the usb wireless is supported
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19:54<miraenvigado>google of course
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19:55<streuner_>mandrake had a DB for it, but you are using google for Debian
19:55<streuner_>its just easy
19:55<miraenvigado>guys, this is a laptop dont forget, i need a usb or something like that
19:55<nyov>miraenvigado: maybe you want to install ndisgtk
19:56<miraenvigado>for what <nyov> sorry?
19:56<nyov>that could help you through the installation process
19:56<streuner_>its a config thingie, but it doesnt alter the charakter of ndiswrapper
19:56<miraenvigado>could you gime some details?
19:56<streuner_>you just run ndisgtk
19:57<nyov>miraenvigado: the details are here
19:57<nyov>miraenvigado: except you don't install ndiswrapper from sourceforge
19:58<miraenvigado><streuner run ndisgtk to install a new driver or to install the old one?
19:58<miraenvigado>i mean the integrated one
19:58<prahal>hum more digging lead to mediatek and linksys . Ie INPROCOMM was bought by Mediatek but Linksys took the vendor id
19:58<streuner_>miraenvigado: ndisgtk is a configuration tool
19:59<streuner_>miraenvigado: it doesnt install/download/alter your driver you already using
19:59<prahal>someone did any attempts at finding out if he could reverese engineer the binary blob available in a D-Link pseudo GPL tarbal
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20:02<miraenvigado>guys, look at this please
20:02<miraenvigado>it said neti 2220 hardware presente: si
20:03<streuner_>why does sudo sounds always to me so strange? :-)
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20:03<miraenvigado>is because im using xubuntu
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20:04<streuner_>miraenvigado: we arent to help, ubuntu and Debian uses Linux kernels, and that NIC isnt supported
20:04<miraenvigado>we are not specking the same language
20:05<abrotman>why is this in #debian ?
20:05<miraenvigado>sorry, what do you think it will turn on already?
20:06<abrotman>miraenvigado: which version of Linux is on your computer?
20:06<streuner_><miraenvigado> is because im using xubuntu
20:06<abrotman>i'm asking *him* .. i can't understand you either
20:06<abrotman>miraenvigado: please go to #xubuntu on .. this channel is for Debian support
20:07<miraenvigado>ok but thanks you help was wonderful, thank you
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20:09<nyov>this is always so sad. people wasting time asking, people wasting time helping. maybe the topic is not enough and dpkg needs to message people on join?
20:09<streuner_>it does
20:09<streuner_>every you join the channel
20:10<nyov>ok, i don't join that often. well that is very sad then
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20:10<streuner_>#debian ist: squeeze (6.0.2) released; /msg dpkg squeeze ; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | lenny (5.0.8) /msg dpkg 5.0.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next | FAQ:
20:11<streuner_>that should be enough?
20:11<nyov>that's the same as the topic
20:12<streuner_>yeah, but thats the topic...
20:12<nyov>maybe it should message a big warning first
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20:12<streuner_>most people just ignore it
20:12<streuner_>some people think, they get better answers here
20:12<themill>We used to have "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu" in /topic. That didn't help either.
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20:13<nyov>:/ ok, some people are really clueless
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20:16<streuner_>nah, in '99 they told me, Debian is only for Gurus, and some people think its the same now....
20:17<nyov>eh, i remember that. maybe that's why i tried it. and then it just stuck, hehe. never looked back
20:20<streuner_>nyov: and some SuSE and Mandrake told me in a forum that Debian is crap, i dont trust them ;-)
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20:23<streuner_>nyov: it was the same like *bunt* nowadays, "Mandrake is easy to install/use"
20:24<nyov>streuner_: actually I moved from SuSE to Debian at that time, and felt much better after a short time. Yast was just crap at the time, not sure if it changed
20:25<streuner_>nyov: me to, i switched from 6.2 to Debian
20:26<nyov>oh, i think it was 6.3 or something for me. so they must have done something wrong back then. haha
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20:28<LittleDeadPenguin>this nick originated while i was trying to get red hat working, ended up getting debian (potato) from somebody with high speed internet and have been using deb since
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20:34<streuner_>LittleDeadPenguin: interesting :-)
20:35<streuner_>LittleDeadPenguin: what was the difference?
20:36<abrotman>anyway ...
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20:41<streuner_>dpkg, abrotman--
20:42<streuner_>dpkg, karma abrotman
20:42<dpkg>abrotman has karma of 47
20:42<diederik>I need some help figuring out why my udev remove rule isn't triggered:
20:42<abrotman>you should know better
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20:45<streuner_>diederik: there is a HOWTO about udev, but i guess its outdated
20:45<diederik>udevadm monitor output:
20:45<streuner_>diederik: the best thing is, to just google for each rule you made about in udev, IMO
20:46<streuner_>thats what i meant
20:47<diederik>I combined that with a post on
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20:48<diederik>I would understand if neither of my rules were triggered, that there's sth wrong with them, but the add rule is triggered ...
20:49<prahal>ATTR -> ATTRS
20:50<diederik>I thought ATTRS was when you're referring to a parent device
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20:54<diederik>tried it, but no difference
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20:56<prahal>indeed you are right . I was checking . ATTR is fine and match only the current device
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21:03<prahal>diederik: ?
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21:03<diederik>reading it now ...
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21:05<prahal>hum sorry for the noise . Your second pastebin shows the env and it seems the attr you use are available .
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21:05<prahal>weird at best
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21:06<diederik>it does show them, but I'll try to play around with ENV{}. Thanks for the pointer
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21:16<prahal>diederik: ENV might well be an old thing . have you tried "udevadm test <syspath>" ?
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21:18<diederik>yes, and with --action remove it shows it should call my script
21:19<canaima>como estan
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21:26<d0ct0r>what's the command to get the source code for an application in debian?
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21:28<diederik>d0ct0r: apt-get source <packagename>
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21:42<prahal>diederik: I wonder if comment at end of rules are allowed .
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21:42<prahal>the doc only state the # at start of line define a comment .
21:42<diederik>afaik it doesn't matter, but will try without
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21:43<prahal>yes . especially regarding the fact that udevtest works . Though as it makes no sense better check the basics
21:43<doodmang>Hi, I've been trying to build a program from source, but it depends on Lua, which I installed through the repos. It doesn't detect the library though
21:44<prahal>doodmang: dpkg -l liblua*-dev ?
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21:45<doodmang>It does say checking for LUA... configure: error: Package requirements (lua >= 5.1.3) were not met
21:46<diederik>comment removed: no change
21:46<doodmang>prahal, so I assume it means specifically lua, but I can try
21:47<prahal>diederik: I am puzzled . The pastebin shows that the uevent remove is triggered , the second one that the attributes are there when it happens , the udevadm test show that the rule syntaxxxx is correct
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21:47<doodmang>prahal, reading the package description though, I think you are right
21:47<abrotman>doodmang: it is looking for header files
21:48<abrotman>doodmang: in general, if you're compiling from source, and it says "Looking for FOO" .. you want libfoo-dev installed
21:48<doodmang>abrotman, prahal, you guys just saved me a life time of hassle :]
21:48<doodmang>abrotman, alright
21:48<doodmang>abrotman, I'll keep that in mind
21:49<prahal>diederik: the monitor logs were made when the real physical connect/disconnect happen ? Or via a trigger
21:49<diederik>prahal: maybe the trick is with ENV. the values you see in the pastebin may be ENV variables
21:49<abrotman>or something like that .. but generally, -dev is the key
21:50<abrotman>a lifetime ?
21:50<diederik>most examples I've found are with ENV, but haven't found much documentation on it
21:51<doodmang>abrotman, I am just curious; is using source code not provided in the repositories within the scope of normal practise or is it not recommended?
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21:55<diederik>HA, changing the rules to use ENV made the remove rule work, but not the add one!
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21:59<diederik>if I use ATTR for add action and ENV for remove action, they both work :D
22:01<abrotman>doodmang: ? sure .. but why do you ask?
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22:03<doodmang>abrotman, I use different distributions between my two computers and find that some are different, among other things
22:03<abrotman>that's why they're different distros :)
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22:04<prahal>diederik: thank you for the follow up . I take note about this weirdness
22:04<doodmang>abrotman, heh. Thanks.
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22:05<diederik>yw and thank you for thinking along. The lq post was the key
22:05<prahal>might have good reasons : ie could be that sysfs attr are nto available at disconnect (especially for RUN which happens after device open and I bet after device disconnect) so those values are made available as udev envrionment variables
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22:06<prahal>but why was it not documented if so is another story
22:06<diederik>indeed, and when plugging in maybe that the environment isn't populated (fully) therefor missing the match
22:07<diederik>it would indeed be nice if it was better documented. Most sites copy info from eachother it seems
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22:36<minnos>anybody out there?
22:36<abrotman>lots of people
22:36<minnos>so what are you up to?
22:38<dpkg>somebody said debian was See
22:38<minnos>just debian, no linux?
22:40<abrotman>minnos: do you have a Debian related question?
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22:41<minnos>I have no specific question about Debian packet management whatsoever..! But I do have questions regarding to linux :)
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22:41<blarson>!tell minnos about ask
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22:43<nevyn>minnos: debian kfreebsd too.
22:44<minnos>What's the best way of getting a good entropy over a soundcard or by other means on linux kernel?
22:44<abrotman>minnos: which linux is this?
22:44<minnos>just linux kernel it is..
22:45<abrotman>there's a ##linux or #kernelnewbies
22:45<minnos>this question is beyond of them abrotman, thnx anyway if you know the answers, tell me please
22:46<abrotman>minnos: which linux are you running?
22:46<minnos>what do you mean by which linux? :) linux kernel it is from
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22:46<mosno>minnos, randomsound
22:47<minnos>hmm thnx mosno, what else..?
22:47<abrotman>there's a ##linux or #kernelnewbies
22:47<mosno>minnos, i don't know if it is the best (or if it even works), but i came across it while browsing the Debian archive (a pastime of mine)
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22:49<minnos>awesome, thanx, I will give it a try later on..
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23:02<amitz>I want to file a bug report but I don't know if debian is the right place. Basically in debian/ubuntu, and probably some other I don't know, if I send data to a named pipe using subshell (&), and afterward some other process send data normally (;), and afterward I begin to read the pipe, only the second data is received, the first data never makes it "broken pipe". Where should I file this bug anyway? mkfifo package?
23:03<abrotman>amitz: which one are you using?
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23:03<amitz>debian squeeze. is that your question abrotman ?
23:03<abrotman>then why ask about ubuntu?
23:04<amitz>to give and idea about the commonality of the bug.
23:04<abrotman>if you're actually using Debian, then you'd file the bug in Debian
23:04<amitz>okay, which package is this bug relevant to, any idea?
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23:05<abrotman>and you mean you're backgrounding the process?
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23:06<amitz>yes, the backgrounded process of echo will be clobbered by the main process' echo, which is not a proper behavior of fifo.
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23:06<amitz>I can give you the code example if it will help...
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23:07<abrotman>did you check the BTS to see if a similar bug already exists?
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23:12<amitz>I need time to scan through it, there may be something related, thanks.
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23:14<amitz>the code:
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