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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-09-10

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00:19<Smatic>hello
00:20<Smatic>squeze and gnome is probability
00:20<Smatic>squeze and gnome3 is probability
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00:29<kenyon>judd: versions gnome
00:29<judd>Package gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:2.30+11; wheezy: 1:2.30+11
00:29<kenyon>Smatic: not likely since it's not in any version of debian
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01:00<Caceous>Can I get some help with an install on a HP dmz-1 netbook with the netinst installer?
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01:26<Smatic>thank you <kenyon> other quetions, suorce.list complete for debian 6 ultimate update
01:26<Smatic>package
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01:29<kenyon>Smatic: no idea what that means
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01:35<blarson>!tell Caceous about ask
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01:42<linkslice>I'm trying to install my printer drivers, which Canon has thoughtfully provided a .deb package for but it has a dependency on a package called libcupsys2 which seems to be called libcups2 now, how can I tell dpkg that this is really OK, or tell the deb what the new package name is?
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02:13<nyov>linkslice: if you're sure that's ok and want to enforce it, try with dpkg --force-depends
02:14<nyov>not tested though. you can also repackage the deb and change the control file
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02:18<miggs>hello. i mistakenly upgraded to unstable from testing. everything's fine but i'd like to go back. do i have to do anything or just wait until all the packages reach that version?
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02:31<mask>how can I get the latest app
02:32<ompaul>for?
02:33<ompaul>why?@
02:33<ompaul>mask: do you understand the concept of beta and stable?
02:33*ompaul wonders if you want to
02:33<mask>... no
02:34<ompaul>lovely. "no" to what exactly
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02:37<mask>can you explain your understanding to me
02:38<nyov>miggs: as long as all is good, remove unstable sources and just wait for testing to catch up
02:38<ompaul>mask: I could recite here for years, so the question is this. What do you mean by the latest app, in what context and why do you need it?
02:39<ompaul>mask: basically debian releases a version (current stable 6.0.2) and it keeps everything working in that
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02:39<nyov>troll?
02:39<ompaul>99%
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02:40<ompaul>mask: so if you stick something random in there it may break your box. This ain't windows thankfully, so its modus operandi if false for this setup.
02:41<mask>I completely have no idea, I just come here .....isn't sequeeze some kind of media software?
02:41<ompaul>mask: so say package X breaks on Debian stable, it gets fixed in relation its bug, it is very rare that a new version would be created.
02:41<ompaul>mask: go read http://www.debian.org you need to.
02:42<ompaul>s/created/installed
02:42<ompaul>nyov: does that help. ;-)
02:42<mask>ok i'll try ....and thank you for your answer
02:43<miggs>nyov: ok thanks
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02:45<nyov>ompaul: lol
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02:46<ompaul>nyov: I thought you'd like that.
02:46<ompaul>nyov: mind a pm
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02:46<nyov>no, go ahead
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02:49<mask>so debian is a piece of operation system.....and what's the advantage agaist windows
02:51<ompaul>mask: it is an alternative, and I for one prefer it, more uptime, more fun, more work, I can do anything I want on it.
02:53<ompaul>mask: I have not asked what antivirus do I need since the end of 1993, so I guess that is one advantage. I don't have to install a desktop firewall.
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02:54<mask>how about the software for this os.....can usual apps run under this os?
02:54<ompaul>that would be stupid, you have alternative applications.
02:54<ompaul>They do the same jobs.
02:55<ompaul>if you want to play games and that you can run wine, but for day to day use you don't need that crap
02:55<Bushmills>"usual apps" - yes. linux programs, even usual ones, can run
02:55<nyov>an operating system by definition is THE groundworks for an app to run on. so, no usually apps from one OS don't run on another OS
02:55<ompaul>Bushmills: good morning, it's very early over your way of a morning. :)
02:56<mask>and can they be easily got ? I mean the apps...
02:56<Bushmills>given that you're an hour behind, i guess that you're still up
02:56<ompaul>mask: apt-get install ap-name is about as hard as it gets
02:57<ompaul>Bushmills: I am still up, I got up an hour ago.
02:57<Bushmills>ouch. it's weekend, you know?
02:57<ompaul>Bushmills: yes, and there are people on IRC who have questions to be answered!
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02:58<Bushmills>duty calls
02:58<ompaul>that and the geek breakfast is on in 1.5 hours less about half an hour of driving time
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02:58<ompaul>there or thereabouts
02:59<Bushmills>half an hour driving, or 15 min walking kind of distance?
02:59<mask>while that's quite different situation here in china.....most apps are not compatible with linux , macos....
02:59<ompaul>Bushmills: eh, half an hour on the m50
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02:59<Bushmills>right, you wouldn't want to walk there
03:00<ompaul>Bushmills: no the traffic might not like me
03:00<mask>so it's really tough situation
03:00<ompaul>and the police might want to arrest me if I did, so I think I'll drive it
03:01<ompaul>mask: that is complete and utter nonsense, I know a lot of Chinese people use linux in mainland China
03:01<Bushmills>mask: even in china, linux apps are compatible with linux
03:01<ompaul>mask: come to think of it I know europeans who use linux in mainland China
03:02<ompaul>mask: so answer me this, how did you find #debian on irc.oftc.net
03:02<ompaul>i.e. this channel
03:03<ompaul>were you directed by some microsoft loving puppy?
03:03<nyov>channel zapping ...
03:03<mask>....i used linux before, as of resut of the software, and I give it up....
03:04<ompaul>mask: that does not say how you found the channel
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03:05<ompaul>ohh noes its simified
03:05<ompaul>woops
03:05<ompaul>ohh noes its simonlnu even
03:05<ompaul>simified: sorry bad tab
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03:06<Bushmills>mask: giving up is a great way to learn about something to the extent of being able to compare it with alternative solutions
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03:06<mask>ok.....i got a palm ...and got a app called" wirc"...and I am using it to talk to you
03:07<mask>am I clear?
03:07<Bushmills>some errors are in the text. something gets replaces by lots of dots
03:09<ompaul>mask: that does explain how you are here, not how you found yourself in this particular channel.
03:09<Bushmills>very dotty dots, IMHO
03:10<nyov>maybe this wirc, on a palm, has debian as the default channel. huh. would be strange
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03:10<Bushmills>just shows how popular debian is :)
03:10<mask>ok there hundreds of channels , and choose the one with the most people, clear?
03:11<ompaul>that makes some sense
03:11<Bushmills>good to hear that there's a larger debian community than windows community :)
03:11<ompaul>aye
03:11<nyov>at least on oftc ;)
03:12<ompaul>that is a fair point, and well made.
03:13<ompaul>mask: what is your local time?
03:14<mask>I just come here to talk, and at the very beginning ,i completely have no idea what's this all about
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03:14<mask>ok 15:13 exactly
03:15<ompaul>mask: if you want to just talk we have a smaller chat channel, which is for none support it is #debian-offtopic
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03:15<ompaul>mask: this place is for debian support
03:15<mask>and now, I finally get some clue
03:15<Bushmills>well, that happens that someone has no idea, but it tends to be the exception
03:16<ompaul>mask: it is not very busy at this hour of a Saturday
03:16*Bushmills reckons that "having no idea" and "giving up" are somehow related
03:17<ompaul>you do not learn if you do not strive to learn
03:17<mask>ok I kow it, and sorry for my interruption
03:18<nyov>did you know you can run debian on a palm?
03:18<nyov>:)
03:19<mask>kidding me?
03:19<mask>how ?
03:19<ompaul>nyov: all yours
03:20<nyov>well, depends on the palm. debian can also run on supercomputers ;)
03:20<nyov>ompaul: eh I won't go though installation support here
03:20<ompaul>http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/palm_pre/
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03:21<ompaul>mask: you might want to run it on a PC first so you get a feel for what you are looking at
03:21<ompaul>dual boot your pc and learn for a while
03:22<mask>ok I wil try tonight
03:23<nyov>or if debian is too strange for the beginning, there is always ubuntu to start with
03:23*nyov hides
03:24<ompaul>nyov: you trying to turn mask off linux completely?
03:24*ompaul beats nyov with a usb stick
03:24<nyov>hehe
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03:25<nyov>well, debian has much better support here so maybe it's better to start with after all ;)
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03:26<ompaul>nyov: I'll have you know I sit here in my debian good things come to those who wait
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03:28<nyov>ok
03:28<nyov>wait. what?
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03:29<ompaul>nyov: :-)
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03:37<ompaul>nyov: here http://www.einval.com/~steve/DebianT/guinness-debian-open.gif
03:37<nyov>haha
03:38<ompaul>nyov: I had to slim down to get one ...
03:38<nyov>i also like to wait for good things
03:38<ompaul>I plan on wearing a 2xl by the end of the year and smaller again next year
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04:29<samineru>Hi, I'm having a little trouble with my wireless. I have a w500 with and Intel 5100. I've installed firmware-iwlwifi and wireless-tools and modprobe'd iwlagn, yet iwconfig does not show wlan0. Any ideaS?
04:30<d0ct0r>Anyone know if Radeon HD 5770 is supported in Debian?
04:30<d0ct0r>!hd5770
04:30<d0ct0r>!radeonhd
04:30<dpkg>radeonhd is a deprecated open source display driver for Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx chipsets. Packaged as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd, ask me about <radeon firmware>. radeonhd does not support <KMS> (Debian bug #575226). http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeonhd #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net. Removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #612190, ask me about <radeon>.
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04:52<jby__>como ?
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04:53<jby__>coo se coloca o modo + i
04:53<streuner>!br
04:53<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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04:59<root__>hello
04:59<root__>how to hack my network pc
05:00<root__>help any one
05:00<ansgar>root__: Axes are easy to use. Just try to not hit parts of your own body with it.
05:00<root__>right now i am using a backtrack operating system
05:01<root__>which tool used
05:02<root__>give response
05:02<root__>i need to help
05:02<root__>plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
05:03<Aketzu>chocolate bars are useful for hacking networks
05:04-!-Luminous [~Luminous@c-71-231-21-246.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
05:05<root__>thnks aketzu
05:05<root__>but where i can get
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05:05<root__>inbuild backtrack
05:05<root__>give me reponse
05:05<root__>i am waiting
05:06<runciter>YOU'RE WAITING?? OH NO
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05:06<mosno>root__: backtrack is offtopic in this channel
05:06<root__>hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii runciter
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05:06<root__>what
05:06<root__>i can't understand
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05:07<root__>backtrack is off
05:07<root__>which channel are available backtrack channel
05:08<root__>hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii runciter
05:08<root__>hiiiiiiiiiiiiii osno
05:08<root__>any body listen
05:09<root__>plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
05:09<mosno>root__: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=backtrack+linux+irc
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05:09<mosno>huh, doesn't work on epiphany
05:10<amphi>heh
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05:14<Luminous>Alright, so what happened in last night's kernel upgrade? I know a regression made it so you have to run gnome-system-monitor as root now, or the you get a kernel oops, but now today after upgrading I've gotten a kernel oops about 5 times while doing searches with Google Chrome. Is there a way to regress to the previous kernel version so I can avoid these problems?
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05:15<kinky>Luminous: aptitude install package-name-of-kernek=version? look up the previous version in /var/log/aptitude or apt log
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05:16<root__>mosono
05:16<root__>hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
05:16<root__>sir
05:16<root__>this is not working
05:16<root__>what i do
05:17<root__>hello sir
05:17<root__>plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
05:17<root__>help somebody
05:18<ansgar>root__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe You should try grabbing it at the handle.
05:18<mosno>root__: 1) stop spamming the channel, 2) my name is "mosno", 3) READ what has been given to you, 4) ensure brain is on
05:19<Aketzu>how to verify that last item :)
05:19<root__>what sir
05:19<root__>hiiiiiiiiiiiiii mosno
05:19<ansgar>root__: Stay away from the sharp side (you might injure yourself). Come back once you feel comfortable holding it (this will only happen after at least 200 days). Then we can try helping you with the "hacking" part.
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05:20<root__>how to use backtrack os
05:20<mosno>we only can support bareback os in here
05:20-!-mosno [~mosno@c114-77-11-48.brasd3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving]
05:20<root__>and i want to hack my network by backtrack
05:21<root__>what sir you can support only bareback
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05:21<root__>plzzzzzzzzzzzz sir
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05:21<kinky>well, on freenode there would be a flamefest already..
05:21<root__>i hope you do my help
05:21<ansgar>root__: You ignore my help...
05:21<root__>you will
05:21<root__>hellooooooooooooooooo
05:22<root__>help somebody
05:22<Luminous>This seems like a good time for a rm -rf /, lol
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05:22<Luminous>For the new guy spamming the channel
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05:23<root__>help some body
05:23<deeprokcs31>hello
05:23<kinky>root__: http://www.backtrack-linux.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page http://www.backtrack-linux.org/tutorials/ http://www.backtrack-linux.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ gl&hf, please leave now.
05:23<root__>thanks bro
05:24<deeprokcs31>i want to set up my wireless network any can help me.>>>? this is my first time on BT4 r2
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05:25<root__>which type ntwork
05:25<kinky>Luminous: have got any luck with the kernel?
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05:26<Luminous>kinky: I found in the apt log where I performed the upgrade, but not having any luck figuring out the specific name of the previous kernel's package.
05:27<Luminous>Unable to locate package linux-image-2.6.32-35-amd64
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05:28<deeprokcs31>i am online via usb dongle
05:28<Luminous>I mean it's not a huge issue, I'm sure the issues will be fixed in a future upgrade, and the kernel oops doesn't happen when I google the same things in other browsers, so maybe it's just something weird in Chrome
05:28<Luminous>I'm not freaking out or anything, it's just weird that I've been getting all these "Oops!" messages since I upgraded, :p
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05:29<deeprokcs31>how to use brutessh ..?
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05:29<deeprokcs31>any one to help script kiddie
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05:30<kinky>Luminous: well, paste your apt/aptitude logfile so I can have a look at it: http://paste.debian.net/
05:31<lindi->deeprokcs31: stop.
05:31<deeprokcs31>what.?
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05:32<root__>use saki3g
05:33<root__>ski3g
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05:33<Luminous>kinky: http://paste.debian.net/129175/
05:33<root__>skai3g is useful tool for
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05:33<root__>any wireless devices and datacard
05:34<Luminous>kinky: The current kernel version that's giving me issues is 2.6.32-5-amd64 x86_64, and I'm pretty sure the one I replaced was 2.6.32-35-amd64 x86_64
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05:36<kinky>Luminous: are you running stable, testing, or unstable?
05:36<nocturnal>so if I want to install a package from sid on squeeze, is this right? deb-src http://debian.lth.se/debian/ sid main
05:36<lindi->kinky: the security upgrade went to stable and broke this
05:37<nocturnal>I ran apt-get update but apt-cache search still can't find qmail, which the packages website shows in sid.
05:37<lindi->Luminous: if you run "grep linux-image /var/log/dpkg.log" you should see the real version numbers
05:37<kinky>lindi-: yep, saw the squeeze version tag
05:37<lindi->nocturnal: mixing packages from two different distros is not recommended
05:37<Aketzu>nocturnal: "deb" instead of "deb-src"
05:38<nocturnal>thanks, I just wanted to see if I could do it with only debian tools and up until the qmail package it worked. but qmail was not available in stable
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05:38<nocturnal>that worked Aketzu
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05:39<lindi->Aketzu: hi btw, I hope you are around to solve the breakage that happens :)
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05:40<Aketzu>probably
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05:43<jasonsmr>hello debian channel, anyon here using debwrt?
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05:43<biagio>Hello debian channel, qualche italiano?
05:44<ansgar>!it
05:44<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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05:44<biagio>grazie dpkg ;.)
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05:46<kinky>Luminous: try aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64=2.6.32-35
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05:55<ayaka>does debian support 4K disk now?
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06:02<valdyn>ayaka: I don't know if fdisk does the right thing now, but you can do it either way
06:02<ayaka>valdyn, thank you
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06:03<valdyn>ayaka: that is place partition beginnings at blocks that are divisible by 8
06:03<valdyn>ayaka: btw, i thought the new disks are 2k, not 4k, but what do I know..
06:04<ayaka>valdyn, I'm not sure but WD said 4k advantage block
06:05<valdyn>ayaka: mind that "fdisk" uses 1k in non-expert mode
06:06<valdyn>ayaka: where the old physical block size is 512 byte
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06:16<amphi>ayaka: I have a 4k block disk; I was just careful to align partitions to 4k boundaries
06:16<amphi>there are various howtos on the internet
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06:18<amphi>ayaka: some disks, like mine, say the logical sector size is 512 bytes, which confuses the issue
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06:28<kinky>Luminous: did it work?
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06:32<Luminous>kinky: The old kernel files aren't even on my drive any more, and the only thing in synaptic is the new version. I habitually did an apt-get autoremove && apt-get clean immediately after upgrading.
06:32<kinky>Luminous: did you try to install them of the mirror as I messaged you before?
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06:33<Luminous>Oh I missed the mirror address
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06:33<kinky>Luminous: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64=2.6.32-35
06:34<Luminous>kinky: You're my hero, :-)
06:34<Luminous>The following packages will be DOWNGRADED
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06:41<Luminous>kinky: All is good now, you are awesome, :-)
06:41<Luminous>I just opened gnome-system-monitor and googled "Virgin Mobile" using Google Chrome, and no kernel oops, :-)
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06:55<ayaka>amphi, THANK you
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07:14<wrgwr443>hello to all
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07:14<wrgwr443>i'm falling in love again with linux
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07:14<wrgwr443>:)
07:15<wrgwr443>i have to know how do i RUN 'Steam Software' on debian, please help!
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07:15<wrgwr443>i want to play games
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07:18<ysonoko>anyone here available to help me with a soundcard problem?
07:19<SynrG>there are 457 people here, waiting for you to state your actual problem
07:19<ysonoko>oh
07:19<ysonoko>i have a Asus K52F
07:20<ysonoko>it will not let me use the headphone jack for saound
07:20<ysonoko>i looked all over for a solution
07:20<ysonoko>and nothing
07:20<ysonoko>running debian gems
07:21<ysonoko>anyone know how to fix this?
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07:23<SynrG>using a pastebin (like paste.debian.net) show us the output of the command 'amixer'
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07:24<SynrG>also 'uname -r' and 'grep -i codec /proc/asound/card0/codec#0'
07:25<ysonoko>just a moment
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07:25<Domochevsky>Mentlegen.
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07:27<Domochevsky>I have a debian related issue that i am unable to resolve on my own. Is there someone willing to provide me with assistance?
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07:27<SynrG>just state your problem. people don't know if they can help until you do that.
07:27<Domochevsky>Fair enuff
07:28<ysonoko>http://paste.debian.net/129190/
07:28<Domochevsky>So i have a debian (Lenny) server rented, which has the issue of randomly crashing due to apparently running out of memory due to java eating it all up
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07:28<Domochevsky>I don't know how to get a handle on that issue short of "don't run java"
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07:29<Domochevsky>The server becomes completely unresponsive once that happens and cant be reached via SSH. It has to be hard reset by my provider
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07:29<SynrG>ysonoko: and the other two commands?
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07:29<kinky>Domochevsky: you can specify how much RAM java should use: java -Xmx512m -jar /path/to/jar 512M means java can use 512M of RAM
07:30<Domochevsky>Im already using these parameters, to no aail
07:30<Domochevsky>*avail
07:30<Domochevsky>It's set to 1024mb
07:30<SynrG>either the process really does need more than that, or else it leaks
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07:31<ysonoko>the second command is not working for me
07:31<Domochevsky>I suspect the latter, as i see it on top using 1.9+ GB of memory
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07:31<Domochevsky>Rising to 2.4 occasionally
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07:32<SynrG>is the java software packaged by debian or third party?
07:32<SynrG>ysonoko: uname -r
07:32<Domochevsky>openJDK, i think it is called
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07:32<Domochevsky>I was using sun java before, but that had the same issue
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07:33<ysonoko>2.6.33.2-crystal-33
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07:33<SynrG>ysonoko: as for the second command, try:
07:33<SynrG>grep -i codec /proc/asound/card*/codec*
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07:33<SynrG>ysonoko: you have a self-compiled kernel, then?
07:33<ysonoko>no
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07:33<ysonoko>its from a friend
07:33<ysonoko>so maybe
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07:33<ysonoko>im still learning linux lingo
07:33<SynrG>then you should see that friend for support
07:34<valdyn>Domochevsky: maybe you cant read top properly, but java also has switches to set its maximum memory usage
07:34<SynrG>it is possible he or she did not include the necessary support for your device
07:34<valdyn>Domochevsky: obviously the java program needs to be able to run in that restricted memory
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07:34<Domochevsky>So i guess my primary question for this is... how do i prevent java (and the user running it) from using more than a fixed amount of memory
07:34<wrgwr443>i have to know how do i RUN 'Steam Software' on debian, please help!
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07:34<wrgwr443>Before i'm going to install debian
07:34<valdyn>Domochevsky: java has nice documentation
07:35<ysonoko>so thats all then?
07:35<Domochevsky>RES is the memory usage, right?
07:35<ysonoko>/proc/asound/card0/codec#0:Codec: Conexant CX20585
07:35<ysonoko>/proc/asound/card0/codec#3:Codec: Intel IbexPeak HDMI
07:35<valdyn>Domochevsky: res is the lower boundary
07:35<SynrG>wrgwr443: once upon a time there was a steam package in debian (old release, 'lenny'). it is apparently no longer present in debian, except for in debian 'sid'. but that is the 'unstable' branch and not recommended for users. so the thing is, i guess, to go see steam's site and see if they have instructions for installing it on debian
07:36<valdyn>Domochevsky: so if res is 1.9 then its at least that
07:36<Domochevsky>So that means VIRT is it?
07:36<SynrG>wrgwr443: failing that, perhaps someone has some unofficial package of it, but if so, i don't know anything about it
07:36<valdyn>Domochevsky: virt is not necessarily backed by physical memory
07:37<valdyn>Domochevsky: virt can be any amount without really using memory
07:37<Domochevsky>Orly
07:37<ysonoko>I did try thos out before and got it to work, using a program or something.
07:37<ysonoko>cant remeber which though
07:37<ysonoko>that was the fix
07:38<SynrG>ysonoko: hmm. thinking ...
07:38<ysonoko>using something other than alsa
07:38<Domochevsky>That doesnt sound very useful at all then to determine the issue
07:38<SynrG>ysonoko: maybe try using the official debian kernel instead?
07:38<ysonoko>it does the same
07:38<SynrG>ysonoko: this is not a debian report, but: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=103470
07:38<SynrG>so you are not alone
07:38<Domochevsky>Incidentally: there appears to be a java crash related to this event
07:39<SynrG>ysonoko: armed with the codec name, you can do some searching of your own
07:39<Domochevsky># Problematic frame:
07:39<Domochevsky># V [libjvm.so+0x56c428]
07:39<valdyn>Domochevsky: figuring out how much memery a program uses precisely *can* be very hard. Normally its not hard to get a good enough value
07:39<ysonoko>what use is the codec name to me?
07:39<ysonoko>im still noobish with linux
07:39<SynrG>you can use it as a search term in google
07:39<SynrG>that's all i did to show you the above article.
07:39<valdyn>Domochevsky: if you dmesg does not show the oom-killer active then its probably not a ram issue
07:39<ysonoko>hmm
07:40<SynrG>ysonoko: it makes some suggestions that may help
07:40<Domochevsky>dmesg?
07:40<valdyn>Domochevsky: but then again your java vm size is limited and the vm will abort if the program running on it uses to much
07:40<Domochevsky>And yet it completely locks up the machine at random times
07:40<valdyn>Domochevsky: everything have man pages
07:41<Domochevsky>With java throwing this error, it seems
07:41<valdyn>Domochevsky: machine lockups dont happen by a single process like java using any amount of ram
07:41<Domochevsky>That's good to know, but i can't thumb through all of them without knowing what causes this issue
07:41<Domochevsky>Right, but how do i get a handle on the issue
07:41<valdyn>Domochevsky: nah, but you can look at the dmesg manpage
07:41<SynrG>ysonoko: of course, some of the suggestions from that particular article may not be applicable to debian, but i've looked it over and you could at least try the model= trick
07:41<valdyn>Domochevsky: if you dont know the basics then you cant
07:42<Domochevsky>Yay.
07:42<valdyn>Domochevsky: basics is being a somewhat experienced linux user / admin
07:42<Domochevsky>Im neither
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07:42<Domochevsky>And my provider is pointing at "yo, too much memory is used, causing it to lock up"
07:42<valdyn>Domochevsky: but you can show people the dmesg output and the stack strace so *they* can get a handle
07:42<Domochevsky>Orly
07:43<valdyn>Domochevsky: plus your "top" output that you thought significant
07:43<SynrG>ysonoko: i have to go now. good luck
07:43<Domochevsky>Said top output what was last shown before the console stopped updating
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07:44<ysonoko>take care
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07:44<valdyn>Domochevsky: if your provider claims that your system locks up because of using to much memory then its probably not debian anyway
07:45<Domochevsky>Meaning?
07:45<valdyn>Domochevsky: since debian, though easy to lock up, will not lock up by a single runaway process
07:45<ysonoko>how do i insert module snd_hda_intel with model=asus?
07:45<Domochevsky>We are pretty certain that this is java related by now, as it only started happening once that was installed
07:45<valdyn>Domochevsky: this is not a general java debugging channel but a debian support channel
07:46<Domochevsky>And it can go for random times, sometimes a full week, sometimes barely a day
07:46<Domochevsky>...are you telling me to gtfo?
07:46<ysonoko>how do insert a module?
07:46<valdyn>Domochevsky: no, im telling you to ask elsewhere if this isnt a debian issue
07:47<valdyn>ysonoko: "modprobe snd_hda_intel model=asus"
07:47<Domochevsky>Fair enough, i guess. So one last question: how do i add a hard memory limit for a specific user
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07:47<ysonoko>is that a command i enter into the terminal?
07:47<Domochevsky>Maybe the crowbar method works for this
07:47<valdyn>ysonoko: yes
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07:47<valdyn>ysonoko: obviously that wont do much if its already loaded
07:48<ysonoko>so
07:48<ysonoko>i entered it
07:48<ysonoko>no reply from terminal
07:48<ysonoko>just next command line
07:48<ysonoko>did it work?
07:49<valdyn>Domochevsky: man limits.conf
07:49<Domochevsky>Mhm
07:49<valdyn>ysonoko: the module was loaded or was already loaded
07:50<ysonoko>do i need a reboot, or should it work now?
07:50<valdyn>ysonoko: first, check if its loaded with "lsmod", then you need to unload it if its already loaded
07:50<valdyn>ysonoko: rebooting will reset things, your modprobe command is not persistent
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07:51<valdyn>ysonoko: what you really want to do is something else, but you probably asked the wrong question
07:51<ysonoko>Trying to get my sound card to recognize the mic and headphone jack
07:51<valdyn>ysonoko: im guessing you want to load snd_hda_intel with the options model=asus each time on system startup
07:51<ysonoko>yes
07:52<valdyn>ysonoko: create a file of your choice in /etc/modprobe.d/, make it contain nothing else but "optons snd_hda_intel model=asus"
07:52<valdyn>ysonoko: create a file of your choice in /etc/modprobe.d/, make it contain nothing else but "options snd_hda_intel model=asus"
07:52<valdyn>ysonoko: mind the typo in my first line..
07:53<ysonoko>how do i create a file from terminal?
07:53<valdyn>ysonoko: "nano"
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07:54<ysonoko>snd_page_alloc 4925 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
07:54<ysonoko>is that the line i am looking for?
07:54<ysonoko>to see if it worked
07:54<valdyn>ysonoko: you cant see if it worked if you dont know if the module was not already loaded prior to you trying to load it
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07:56<ysonoko>do i type "nano options snd_hda_intel model=asus"?
07:56<ysonoko>or nano
07:57<valdyn>ysonoko: do you understand what a "text editor" is ?
07:57<ysonoko>then the text into the window that pops up
07:57<ysonoko>i understand editing text
07:57<ysonoko>yes
07:57<valdyn>ysonoko: ok, "nano /etc/modprobe.d/mynewfile" will let you to edit that /etc/modprobe.d/mynewfile
07:58<valdyn>ysonoko: then you enter the text i told you before and save and you're done
07:59<valdyn>ysonoko: a reasonable name would be something like "snd_hda_ysonokos_workaround" or anything else that will let you notice what you did a year from now
08:00<valdyn>ysonoko: oh and i forgot: all those files need to have the .conf suffix
08:00<lindi->hmm, why does the module not automatically detect the hardware?
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08:00<ysonoko>ok
08:01<valdyn>lindi-: no idea
08:01<ysonoko>so how do i save it now?
08:01<lindi->sounds so wrong
08:01<valdyn>lindi-: yes
08:01<valdyn>ysonoko: Ctrl-x
08:01<valdyn>ysonoko: oops, probably ctrl-o
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08:02<lindi->valdyn: source says it just is not always possible to autodetect
08:03<valdyn>lindi-: yea i know it is, but i have no idea how ysonoko came to the conclusion that he needs this workaround
08:03<ysonoko>nothing else is working
08:03<valdyn>lindi-: but beside that i just noticed that he's not running debian anyway.
08:03<lindi->ok
08:03<ysonoko>and finding help in the debian forums and what not provide nothing
08:04<ysonoko>i am running debian
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08:04<valdyn>ysonoko: debian has no kernel "13:33 < ysonoko> 2.6.33.2-crystal-33"
08:04<ysonoko>how do i verify the file is saved?
08:05<ysonoko>its debian gems
08:05<valdyn>ysonoko: "cat /etc/modprobe.d/filename"
08:05<valdyn>sounds like trademark violation
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08:07<duan_huiqiang>I open qtdemo on debian, but I can't see all words clear except a few big words.There is no menu bar.
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08:08<duan_huiqiang>I net this problem before with another software.
08:09<valdyn>this is funny, debian gems is a debian derivative that sell binary kernel packages
08:09<ysonoko>keeps saying no such file
08:09<valdyn>quite an unusual approach
08:09<valdyn>ysonoko: then you never saved that file
08:10<ysonoko>tried both
08:10<ysonoko>ctrl+x and +o
08:10<ysonoko>saved filename /etc/modprobe.d/soundfix.conf
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08:13<ysonoko>ok there it is
08:13<ysonoko>got it saved
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08:15<ysonoko>do i need to restart, or when does the file come into effect?
08:18<valdyn>ysonoko: whenever you load the module
08:18<valdyn>ysonoko: since you probably cant unload it, a restart will do
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08:18<ysonoko>ok
08:18<ysonoko>be back in a minute
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08:20<Black_Prince>note: alsa force-reload can reload all sound modules :-|
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08:22<ysonoko>nothin
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08:22<ysonoko>Oh well, thank you for the help.
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08:25<Black_Prince>Try using debian kernel. The one you are using could be compiled wrong or whatever.
08:26<Black_Prince>If squeeze's 2.6.32 is too old, you can use backported 2.6.39 one
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08:27<ysonoko>it does same thing on debian kernal
08:27<ysonoko>the whole thing has to do with the card being integrated
08:27<ysonoko>its a laptop
08:27<Black_Prince>there is always model= option ...
08:28<ysonoko>is that a command?
08:28<Black_Prince>2.6.32 has alsa 1.0.21 ... 2.6.39 has alsa 1.0.23 ... so it should be supported.
08:28<Black_Prince>modprobe snd-hda-intel model= blabla ... whatever
08:28<ysonoko>i just did that
08:29<Black_Prince>zcat /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz | less
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08:29<Black_Prince>ysonoko, on debian kernel, or?
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08:29<ysonoko>yes
08:29<ysonoko>on the debian kernel
08:29<ysonoko>it is the same
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08:31<ysonoko>echo “options snd-hda-intel model=hp-laptop” > /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf
08:32<ysonoko>is what the asus/debian help site is saying
08:32<ysonoko>i dont understand what to do with that
08:33<Black_Prince>ysonoko, to write it onto terminal maybe?
08:33<ysonoko>did
08:33<ysonoko>gives errors
08:33<Black_Prince>ysonoko, as root user?
08:33<ysonoko>or no such file
08:33<ysonoko>yes
08:33<ysonoko>su
08:34<ysonoko>is root isnt it?
08:34<Black_Prince>sure. but watch your enter ...
08:34<Black_Prince>dpkg, enter
08:34<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
08:34<Black_Prince>ysonoko, have you tried backported kernel? I've seen that some say that it has been fixed in 2.6.38 one ...
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08:35<ysonoko>I am rather interested in resolving this problem while using the current kernel
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08:39<Black_Prince>ysonoko, then install newer alsa driver on current one? you need module-assistant and alsa-driver
08:39<ysonoko>is that in the synaptic package manager?
08:40<Black_Prince>And try not to use gui tools, you'll just screw up.
08:41<Black_Prince>dpkg, new alsa
08:41<dpkg>To compile newer <ALSA> drivers for your running kernel (not applicable to Lenny/2.6.26): first download an alsa-source .deb from http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/alsa-source/download ; install it with dpkg -i ; then run "aptitude install module-assistant ; m-a a-i alsa" ; you will need to reload your ALSA drivers.
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09:54<rebli>hi to all
09:54<memento>do I need module assistant to install nvidia-kernel?
09:55<memento>this is what I did: dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-source_280.13-1_amd64.deb , is that ok? how do I know if it installed ok?
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09:56<rebli>did anyone tell anything about genisoimage -iso-level 4 ?
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10:23<wozza_>memento - do you need to install the kernel source, this is what I have
10:23<wozza_>ii glx-alternative-nvidia 0.1.93 allows the selection of NVIDIA as GLX provider
10:23<wozza_>ii libgl1-nvidia-alternatives 280.13-2 transition libGL.so* diversions to glx-alternative-nvidia
10:23<wozza_>ii libgl1-nvidia-glx 280.13-2 NVIDIA binary OpenGL libraries
10:23<wozza_>ii libglx-nvidia-alternatives 280.13-2 transition libgl.so diversions to glx-alternative-nvidia
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10:51<aussa>gdm or gdm3?
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10:55<Martinus>I'm trying to get the USB modeswitch working for Huawei E1750.
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10:56<Martinus>I noticed the product ID is not in the product list.
10:56<wrgwr443>SNOOP DOG!
10:57<Martinus>on linux?
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10:58<Martinus>I don't think I need a driver. The device works with sakis3g
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10:59<wrgwr443>i want to become a whiteHACKER
10:59<wrgwr443>help!
11:00<wrgwr443>to protect ur kids
11:00<wrgwr443>and divels
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11:00<wrgwr443>SNOOP DOG!
11:01<sakthi>hello
11:01<sakthi>are you talking to me?
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11:01<sakthi>hello everyone
11:01<wrgwr443>to myself
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11:01<sakthi>i am start using IRC from today
11:02<sakthi>just exploring
11:02<sakthi>what kind of help i can get from folks
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11:02<MrFrood>!ask
11:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
11:02<MrFrood>shouls sum it up
11:02<MrFrood>*should
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11:03<wrgwr443>Before i'm going to install debian
11:03<wrgwr443>i have to know how do i RUN 'Steam Software' on debian, please help!
11:03<aussa>I'm getting this message at boot: startpar: service(s) returned failure: gdomap ... failed!, what is that?
11:03<sney>!wine
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11:03<dpkg>Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are not supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See <newer wine>.
11:03<wrgwr443>wine don't WORK!
11:03<wrgwr443>wine dsent run STEA<M
11:03<sney>it does.
11:03<wrgwr443>i have cheak that
11:04<wrgwr443>i have 25game
11:04<sney>sometimes it's a pain in the ass to get it working, but I've done it a few times
11:04<wrgwr443>and i want to play them,
11:04<wrgwr443>sney
11:04<wrgwr443>plz help me to run STAEM on debian
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11:04<sney>I'm not going to walk you through it, though. you just have to mess with the settings. eventually you'll get it.
11:05<sakthi>is it possible to run TeamViewer using wine
11:05<wrgwr443>setting of steam program or wine settings?
11:05<aussa>do I need module assistant to install nvidia-kernel? is did this: sudo dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-source_280.13-1_amd64.deb, is that wrong?
11:05<sakthi>or what software i can use to take remote desktop of windows machinde
11:06<aussa>(I did this)*
11:06<Black_Prince>aussa, why the source? why not prebuilt module?
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11:06<Black_Prince>judd, versions nvidia-kernel-dkms
11:06<judd>Package nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; wheezy/non-free: 280.13-1; sid/non-free: 280.13-5; experimental/non-free: 285.03-2
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11:07<wrgwr443>aussa> i'll help you in a min'
11:07<wrgwr443>i have nvidia too
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11:07<aussa>wrgw443: ok
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11:08<wrgwr443>you have to update the sources.list
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11:09<lindi->some polish guy is exploiting the recent quassel bug
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11:09<wrgwr443>and to add two options
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11:09<__Alex_>How can i remove keyrings?
11:10<wrgwr443>that in under debian software
11:10<wrgwr443>thy are "non-free"
11:10<wrgwr443>2.
11:10<__Alex_>#debian-sw?
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11:10<__Alex_>c/part
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11:11<wrgwr443>in terminal: apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernal-common
11:11<aussa>wrgwr433: ok wait
11:12<wrgwr443>m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-source
11:12<wrgwr443>1 after 1
11:12<wrgwr443>3.
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11:12<wrgwr443>do reset
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11:12<wrgwr443>4.
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11:13<wrgwr443>apt-get install nvidia-xconfig
11:13<wrgwr443>nvidia-xconfig
11:13<wrgwr443>5.
11:13<wrgwr443>reset again
11:13<wrgwr443>print that
11:13<wrgwr443>thats ALL
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11:15<aussa>wrgwr433: this is how I installed nvidia-kernel: sudo dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-source_280.13-1_amd64.deb is that the wrong way
11:15<aussa>?
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11:15<Black_Prince>dpkg, enter
11:15<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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11:15<Black_Prince>aussa, I asked you 3 times - Why the source? why not prebuilt module?
11:15-!-mode/#debian [+o babilen] by ChanServ
11:15-!-mode/#debian [-o babilen] by babilen
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11:16<aussa>Black_Prince: I don't know what are you talking about?
11:16-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*zz@*.adsl.inetia.pl] by babilen
11:16<Black_Prince>aussa, nvidia-kernel-dkms is prebuilt kernel module.
11:16<mix22891>aussa> plz print what i've sayed
11:16<mix22891>or save the txt log
11:16<Black_Prince>dpkg, nvidia dkms
11:16<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
11:17-!-mode/#debian [-o babilen] by ChanServ
11:17<mix22891>SNOOP DOG!
11:17<aussa>I also installed nvidia kernel dkms: sudo dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-dkms_280.13-1_amd64.deb
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11:17<Black_Prince>aussa, is there any specific reason why are you installing with dpkg -i ?
11:17<archpollux>hi all
11:18<archpollux>what's going on with the nvidia driver in sid?
11:18<Black_Prince>archpollux, xserver migrated to abi 11
11:18<Black_Prince>and nvidia is for abi 10 and less iirc
11:18<archpollux>and not nvidia i guesS?
11:18<mix22891>I HAVE
11:18<archpollux>crap
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11:18<mix22891>FALLING IN
11:18<mix22891>LOVE
11:18<mix22891>WITH
11:18<archpollux>FALLEN dude
11:18<mix22891>LINUX
11:19<aussa>Black_Prince: because I was told in this channel that in order to install wheezy nvidia drivers I had to download nvidia-graphics-drivers source and built them
11:19<archpollux>:P
11:19<Black_Prince>dpkg, ops mix22891 is trolling
11:19<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: black_prince complains about: mix22891 is trolling
11:19<Black_Prince>archpollux, you can try nvidia driver from experimental.
11:19<mix22891>ok
11:19<archpollux>Black_Prince: ah, it's in there, nice, thanks!
11:19<mix22891>it's jail time
11:19<Black_Prince>aussa, ah so ... Well in that case you may need module-assistant and kernel headers.
11:20<mix22891>in the middle of the trap
11:20<aussa>Black_Prince: ok so I install module assistant from wheezy or from squeeze?
11:20<babilen>mix22891: Please try to stay on-topic in this channel. Thank you.
11:20<mix22891>ok
11:20<mix22891>umm,.
11:20<mix22891>about STEAM
11:20<Black_Prince>aussa, from squeeze. However I can't assure you if it will work. That way is somehow ... different (wheezy has migrated to multiarch)
11:21<mix22891>i have buyed 25games, i want to install debian again and to play this games under debian
11:22<mix22891>before i'm going to install debian, i have to know that STEAM PROGRAM will work under debian
11:22<weasel>winehq might give you hints.
11:22<Black_Prince>mix22891, you have been answered ...
11:23<mix22891>to play with the settings?
11:23<weasel>however, please realize that #debian isn't usually in the business of supporting non-free software
11:23<mix22891>WHATEVER
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11:24<aussa>Black_Prince, how do I install kernel-headers?
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11:24<mix22891>i'll tell my dad
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11:24<weasel>you could just dual-boot.
11:24<babilen>mix22891: I would recommend to discuss this issue in #winehq on irc.freenode.net -- Theyprobably know a lot more about steam/wine than we do. This is also not really a Debian related problem, but rather a wine one.
11:24<mix22891>ok ok ok okok
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11:25<Black_Prince>aussa, linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`
11:25<aussa>Black_Prince, again, from squeeze?
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11:25<Black_Prince>aussa, that will install headers for currently running kernel.
11:25<mix22891>babilen> thanks!
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11:26<babilen>mix22891: Good luck!
11:26<aussa>Black_Prince, ok, installed...
11:26<chealer>Black_Prince: nvidia-kernel-dkms is not a prebuilt kernel module.
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11:27<Black_Prince>Yeah, it is rebuilt every time by dkms system.
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11:30<aussa>what do I do now?
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11:36<stomanata>hi
11:36<stomanata>can somebody help me mount my devices
11:36<stomanata>i receive ntfs-3g-mount: mount failed: Device or resource busy
11:36<aussa>brb
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11:38<mix22891>hey boys and girl! do you want to be happy and feel good?
11:38<chealer>aussa: you're still at the point where X fails to start for no clear reason when trying to use wheezy's current drivers under squeeze?
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11:40*mix22891 going to....INSTALL DEBIAN!!!! (again)
11:40<mix22891>sould i need SWAP?
11:40<mix22891>or wah?
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11:42<MrFrood>mix22891: try reading http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.en
11:43<mix22891>to real all that????
11:43<mix22891>for wha?
11:43<mix22891>i'm in love
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11:43<mix22891>with L I N U X !
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11:43<MrFrood>so you know the answers to your questions
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11:43<mix22891>no<MrFrood>
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11:44<mix22891>i lil drunk
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11:44<mix22891>oh i got it
11:44<mix22891>"FOR WHAT"
11:44<mix22891>oky
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11:44<mix22891>so what SWAP do anyway?
11:45<MrFrood>!swap
11:45<dpkg>Swap is RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM (say, less than 2GB), you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a <swap file> and use that. See also <am i swapping>. http://wiki.debian.org/Swap http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space#Linux
11:45<mix22891>last time i've gived 2.5G to swap
11:46<sney>the other useful purpose for swap is hibernate
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11:46<sney>you need a swap partition at least the size of your memory if you want to use hibernate/suspend to disk
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11:50<mix22891><sney> yea,thanks it was 2G
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11:50<mix22891>for my lucky
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11:51<mix22891>of memo
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11:51<mix22891>ok, i'm going to the coffe out side with my laptop
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11:51<mix22891>to sniff
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11:52<mix22891>! do you want to be happy and feel good?
11:52*dpkg eagerly does you want to be happy and feel good
11:53<mix22891>! do you want to be happy and feel good?
11:53*dpkg wouldn't dream of doing you want to be happy and feel good
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11:53<mix22891>big blow
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11:54<aussa>chealer, yes
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11:55<aussa>chealer, I get this when installing nvidia-glx, I don't know if that has something to do: http://paste.debian.net/129043
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11:55<aussa>chealer, I don't know if it's important to install nvidia-kernel through module assistant like this: m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
11:55<Black_Prince>argh
11:56<sney>the ${VERSION} part is only important if you need the legacy driver
11:56<Black_Prince>aussa, sorry to ask, but is something wrong with you? You asked "is this an error" at least 10 times and always got same answer "no, it is not"
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11:56<aussa>Black_Prince, I haven't been able to configure X to use the nvidia drivers
11:57<aussa>I don't know if the way I install it was ok
11:57<aussa>I have tried a bunch of xorg.conf file and none of them worked
11:57<aussa>well, one did but it detected 2 screens, and didn't showed me the login screen
11:58<Black_Prince>aussa, modinfo nvidia
11:58<aussa>Black_Prince, http://paste.debian.net/129220/
11:59<Black_Prince>aussa, so nvidia kernel module is installed correctly. Second grep -R nouveau /etc/modprobe.d
11:59<aussa>Black_Prince, /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf:blacklist nouveau
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12:00<Black_Prince>aussa, that part is also fine ...
12:00<Black_Prince>Third ... grep nvidia /etc/X11
12:00<aussa>Black_Prince, nothing
12:00<Black_Prince>aussa, so no xorg.conf for nvidia ...
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12:01<Black_Prince>aussa, mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf"
12:01*mix22891 in the way to install debian
12:01<mix22891>c'ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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12:02<Black_Prince>And channel's IQ rises by 100
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12:02<MrFrood>+1 Black_Prince
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12:03<aussa>Black_Prince, ok
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12:03<Black_Prince>aussa, that command will create basic config file for nvidia driver.
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12:04<aussa>ok, so /etc/init.d/xdm restart ? or what do I do?
12:04<fborges22>anyone here uses radeon X1550 on linux?
12:04<Black_Prince>aussa, let us check some more things. ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
12:04<fborges22>the fglrx does not work in this vga
12:04<Black_Prince>aussa, and find /usr/lib/xorg -name nvidia*
12:04<chealer>aussa: what is important is to install the LKM, it is not necessary to install that this is done using module-assistant.
12:05<sney>fborges22: I have an x1300, you just need to use the built-in 'radeon' driver and install firmware-linux-nonfree
12:05<sney>fborges22: no xorg.conf required, it will autodetect
12:05<aussa>Black_Prince, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 Sep 9 10:47 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> /etc/alternatives/glx--libGL.so.1
12:05<chealer>aussa: as I told you, you already succeeded to configure X to use the nvidia drivers.
12:05<fborges22>the opensource radeon driver have a good performance?
12:05<sney>it's okay. But it's your only option. fglrx only supports hd2000 series and above
12:06<Black_Prince>aussa, and ls -l /etc/alternatives/glx--libGL.so.1
12:06<aussa>chealer, ok so what do I do, why is it not working?
12:06<Black_Prince>aussa, and don't forget -> find /usr/lib/xorg -name nvidia*
12:06<aussa>Black_Prince, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Sep 9 10:47 /etc/alternatives/glx--libGL.so.1 -> /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1
12:06<Black_Prince>aussa, good ... just last one
12:06<fborges22>ok... the nvidia drivers are all opensource? i was thinking in the possibility of replacing the vga
12:06<chealer>aussa: as I said, I don't know why X is not starting.
12:07<aussa>find /usr/lib/xorg -name nvidia* shows nothing
12:07<chealer>aussa: please provide the output of # apt-get check
12:07<Black_Prince>then that is the problem ... nvidia X driver is not installed.
12:07<Black_Prince>judd, file nvidia_drv.so
12:07<judd>No packages were found with that file.
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12:09<Black_Prince>aussa, if you installed from testing, you need xserver-xorg-video-nvidia
12:09<aussa>chealer, http://paste.debian.net/129223/
12:09<Nemoder>xserver-xorg-video-nvidia is in non-free
12:09<Black_Prince>But hell if I knew what is wrong with packages.debian.org ... Every time I click on ANY nvidia's package "list files" I get "no such package"
12:09<aussa>Black_Prince, I installed: dpkg -i xserver-xorg-video-nvidia_280.13-1_amd64.deb
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12:10<chealer>aussa: as I already told you, there are several things you can do, including using a driver other than nvidia, changing your video card, asking #nvidia and using wheezy instead of squeeze.
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12:11<Black_Prince>judd, file nvidia_drv.so --release wheezy
12:11<judd>No packages were found with that file.
12:11<Black_Prince>buh
12:11<Black_Prince>aussa, try now restarting X ...
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12:11<Black_Prince>It *looks* fine ...
12:12<aussa>chealer, what driver other than nvidia with 3D acceleration? I can't change my video card, I have a laptop, I did ask #nvidia couldn't help me, I don't want to be full of errors with wheezy
12:12<Black_Prince>Just make sure you don't have any other xorg.conf with Device section.
12:12<aussa>Black_Prince, well I don't see anymore in /etc/X11
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12:12<Nemoder>aussa: you cannot use the wheezy driver on squeeze without also updating your kernel and xserver, at which point you'll need to update most everything else to wheezy anyway
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12:13<aussa>Black_Prince, is this the correct way to restart X?: /etc/init.d/xdm restart
12:13<Black_Prince>aussa, if you are using xdm as login manager, yes
12:14<aussa>ok, brb
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12:15<aussa>I'm on tty1 now, can't get into X
12:15<Black_Prince>aussa, what does error say?
12:16<chealer>Nemoder: he rebuilt the wheezy driver
12:16<Nemoder>ah ok
12:16<IsoPop>hey guys I maybe a little confused on tunneling just curious if i can do this. Laptop --SSH--> Debian Box. Then using the tunnel to laptop --VNC--> Another computer no the network.
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12:17<aussa>any error "Starting X display manager: xdm." alt+ctrl+f7, nothing
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12:17<Black_Prince>aussa, install pastebinit and paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
12:17<chealer>aussa: nouveau may have some 3D acceleration, though not as packaged in Debian.
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12:18<chealer>aussa: wheezy doesn't necessarily mean "full of errors"
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12:18<aussa>Black_Prince: how do I use it? pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
12:18<Black_Prince>nouveau is in debian.
12:19<chealer>Black_Prince: Debian's nouveau packages have no 3D acceleration.
12:19<Black_Prince>aussa, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit
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12:20<aussa>http://pastebin.com/3NKyDhW2
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12:22<Black_Prince>aussa, hmm 2 possible reasons. nvidia kernel module was not loaded or your card is not supported with that version of driver.
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12:22<Black_Prince>aussa, does lsmod | grep nvidia return anything?
12:22<aussa>Black_Prince: I don't think the second one is possible, I checked that
12:23<tutoan>i
12:23<tutoan>hi
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12:24<aussa>http://pastebin.com/L6HiS2rk
12:24<Black_Prince>hmm
12:25<Black_Prince>aussa, and readlink /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so
12:26<chealer>aussa: how are you trying to start X?
12:27<aussa>Black_Prince: /etc/alternatives/glx--nvidia_drv.so
12:27<aussa>chealer: maybe that is the problem, I just start xdm
12:27<Black_Prince>Bleh ... Looks fine.
12:28<Black_Prince>aussa, ps -aux | grep X
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12:28<chealer>aussa: how do you do that?
12:29<aussa>chealer: /etc/init.d/xdm start
12:29<aussa>Black_Prince: http://pastebin.com/GJRf5qak
12:30<Black_Prince>X isn't running. aussa, try /etc/init.d/xdm restart
12:30<CiccioPasticcio82>hello all... one very long question... I have given internet access to my server through one of it's two interfaces... while the other one is connected to the intranet network... but when I connect both of them, (since eth0-intranet is the default interface) internet via eth1 is no more available... how to configure my routing then? please note that eth0 is on dhcp (but I can put also...
12:30<aussa>Black_Prince: can I try that from tty2?
12:30<CiccioPasticcio82>...static) 172.20.147.251 (255.255.255.0 - gw 172.20.147.1) and eth1 is on dhcp (but I can put static for it as well) 172.20.130.251 - 255.255.255.0 - gw 172.20.130.1)... and they use two different proxies for the internet access (eth0 goes on authenticated proxy, I have credentials but it doesn't want to give me access...) so I use the one on eth1 (172.20.131.5 with no autentication)... how...
12:30<CiccioPasticcio82>...to set my routings? also consider that I am able to surf the internet from eth1 but I am unable to ping... I think ICMP packets are being blocked by the eth1-proxy)
12:30<chealer>aussa: just like that, did you try with a different display manager?
12:31<Black_Prince>aussa, try startx
12:31<aussa>chealer: I had slim, I thought that was the problem so I changed to xdm
12:32<aussa>Black_Prince: Fatal server error: no screens found
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12:32<chealer>aussa: could you please either provide a X server log with a working driver or try with a more widespread manager, like gdm?
12:34<aussa>chealer: ok, I will try that, I have to go now, I'm sorry, thank you for your help, I'll be back later
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12:43<CiccioPasticcio82>anybody there? question is a few line above... than you
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12:46<Goldline>Im receiving an update error on debian 64bit with the update manager
12:46<Goldline>http://pastebin.com/6D0QA1i4
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12:54<markmental>Hello,Can someone clue me in on a sound recorder for xfce and not gnome?
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12:56<MrFrood>markmental: audacity
12:56<markmental>thanks ill try it mrfrood!
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13:00<markmental>ok thank you for audacity. Now there is one more thing i need an xfce task manager is there one of those?
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13:03<egwk>Goldline, Can you choose another mirror and try again? and '#'(comment) the line that starts with cdrom://
13:03<Black_Prince>markmental, maybe htop could suit your needs
13:03<Black_Prince>it's a ncurses application, but it's great :)
13:03<markmental>okay thanks black_prince
13:03<Black_Prince>argh ... wait ...
13:03<markmental>what
13:03<Black_Prince>I always confuse task manager with system monitor ... (windows habit :/)
13:04<markmental>i want both of those
13:04<MrFrood>markmental: or did you mean something like osmo
13:04<Black_Prince>markmental, then htop is what you want.
13:04<Jess4k>Hi. I don't know if this is the right place to mention this, but the ftp.uk.debian.org mirror has been running really slowly over the past few weeks. I've swapped back to US for now. :)
13:05<markmental>is htop in the repos or do i have to compile it?
13:05<MrFrood>in the repros
13:05<markmental>thanks
13:05<markmental>sorry I don't like it it's ugly
13:06<markmental>any alternatives?
13:06<markmental>I like guis just a heads up
13:06<Black_Prince>xfce4-taskmanager ?
13:06<markmental>i will look it up
13:07<MrFrood>markmental: it contains several themes and it's buety can be greatly enhanced by tweakink your terminal app
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13:07*MrFrood must learn to type
13:08<markmental>found it thank you Black_Prince I like it i didn't know all i needed to type was xfce4-taskmanager and thanks for helping too mrFrood
13:08*Black_Prince sends MrFrood back to elementary school
13:09<MrFrood>Black_Prince: we don't have those in british english
13:09<Black_Prince>what? how do you call it then? Primary?
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13:10<MrFrood>Primary is the name for combined infant/junior schools
13:10<markmental>less than 250 mbs memory usage thanks now I can see it
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13:12<EmleyMoor>What these days is the longest possible data type for a positive integer in a C program on Debian?
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13:14<markmental>http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080313193559AAuUq42
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13:21<stomanata>hi
13:21<stomanata>how to install xmms?
13:21<stomanata>there is a lot of packages in synaptic....
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13:22<Black_Prince>xmms is not anymore in debian repositories. xmms2 is.
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13:24<stomanata>thanks
13:24<ProjektGhost>Hello. My clock is constantly going out of sync. I was wondering if there were some command to force a sync? Thank you.
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13:24<stomanata>i`ll install it :)
13:24<Black_Prince>ProjektGhost, define "out of sync" ... mean by "few hours" or "few minutes/seconds"
13:25<ProjektGhost>Minutes after a couple of days.
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13:26<Black_Prince>ProjektGhost, then you need some time sync utility. Install ntp
13:26<stomanata>i install it, but i can`t see it in K menu.
13:26<rigved>ProjektGhost: ntpdate, along with a few options. check the man page for more details.
13:26<Black_Prince>dpkg, ntp
13:26<dpkg>The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" for basic usage, use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>.
13:26<ProjektGhost>Package: ntp ?
13:26<ompaul>dtpd
13:26<Black_Prince>ProjektGhost, yes.
13:26<ompaul>ntpd
13:26<MrFrood>yes ntp
13:26<ProjektGhost>Would that require any configuration or I'd just install and be good to go?
13:26<Black_Prince>rigved, ntpdate is somehow deprecated
13:26<Black_Prince>ProjektGhost, I don't think so.
13:26<ProjektGhost>Ah, excellent. Thank you!
13:26<rigved>Black_Prince: hmmm. ok.
13:26<Black_Prince>ProjektGhost, only if you want to change servers that you sync from.
13:27<ompaul>ntpdate -u some.server works
13:27<stomanata>in console returns This program is deprecated and will be replaced by nyxmms2.
13:27<MrFrood>should work out of the box, you may want to configure it to use timeservers local to you
13:27<stomanata>but in synaptic thre isn`t nyxmms2
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13:28<rigved>stomanata: it must refer to wheezy.
13:28<Black_Prince>judd, versions nyxmms2
13:28<judd>Sorry, no package named 'nyxmms2' was found in i386.
13:28<Black_Prince>judd, versions nyxmms2 --release wheezy
13:28<judd>Sorry, no package named 'nyxmms2' was found in i386.
13:29<stomanata>you mean to change source.list?
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13:29<Black_Prince>stomanata, just ignore that ...
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13:34<stomanata>?
13:34<stomanata>i can`t uderstand
13:34<stomanata>what exactly to do?
13:34<Black_Prince>stomanata, just ignore the message about nyxmms2
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13:36<rigved>Black_Prince: maybe nyxmms2 is a file. try using apt-file to search.
13:36<Black_Prince>judd, file nyxmms2
13:36<judd>nyxmms2 in squeeze/i386: xmms2-client-nycli: usr/bin/nyxmms2
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13:37<Black_Prince>judd, info xmms2-client-nycli
13:37<judd>Package xmms2-client-nycli (sound, optional) in squeeze/i386: XMMS2 - new cli client. Version: 0.7DrNo+dfsg-2; Size: 119.8k; Installed: 240k; Homepage: http://xmms2.xmms.se/
13:37<Black_Prince>That is cli version of xmms iirc ...
13:37<rigved>Black_Prince: that does not seem related to ntp...
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13:38<Black_Prince>rigved, what? stomanata asked for xmms2 ... why the heck are you mentioning ntp?
13:38<stomanata>ok. but how to start it?
13:38<Black_Prince>stomanata, don't know ... I never used it. There should be a menu entry for it ...
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13:39<stomanata>i can`t find it :(
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13:42<rigved>Black_Prince: oh. sorry about that.
13:42<Black_Prince>stomanata, maybe xmms2-launcher ?
13:42<stomanata>i`ll try :)
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13:43<stomanata>there isn`t such package in synaptic
13:43<Black_Prince>stomanata, it could be just me, but xmms is more like cli player ... I don't see any gui component.
13:43<Black_Prince>stomanata, it is part of xmms2-core
13:43<stomanata>i have core
13:44<Black_Prince>stomanata, http://xmms2.org/wiki/Clients
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13:44<stomanata>thanks
13:44<stomanata>i`ll see it
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13:46<stomanata>KDE section is empty :)
13:46<stomanata>bad. very bad :)
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13:48<Black_Prince>KDE users are to kool to use xmms2 ...
13:49<Black_Prince>s/to/too/
13:52<chealer>stomanata: if you don't mind, do you know about Amarok?
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13:54<stomanata>i hear about it, but xmms look like winamp, and it is convinient for me
13:54<Black_Prince>xmms looks like winamp ... But has not been available for a long time ... it is unmaintained. xmms2 is a way different.
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13:55<miggs>hello. i get a lot of "not found" errors when i try to update debian-maintainers repo in testing. what could it be?
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13:59<egwk>stomanata, audacious has a winamp like skin too.
14:00<stomanata>i`ll try and this program :)
14:01<ComradeHaz`>Hey all, has anyone got any advice on how to get through to a machine that's unresponsive due to (probably) a rougue process or perhaps a dying disk on a software RAID
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14:04<stomanata>egwk, where to find this skin?
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14:06<CiccioPasticcio82>ComradeHaz`: til what point can you reach in the boot process?
14:07<ComradeHaz`>It's running, I can't cut power as RAID will freeze up and it won't boot
14:07<ComradeHaz`>I need to find a way of unfreezing the box
14:07<CiccioPasticcio82>all ttys are blocked?
14:08<ComradeHaz`>yep
14:08<ComradeHaz`>OK
14:08<ComradeHaz`>so confirmed failing drive
14:08<ComradeHaz`>I'm reshaping a RAID5 to RAID6
14:08<ComradeHaz`>I'm worried I have no redundancy :S
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14:09<CiccioPasticcio82>failing drive shouldn't crash the RAID... but in case of reshaping... that's not applicable, it depends on where you are
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14:09<CiccioPasticcio82>but the machine might be only busy in the re-sync... or is it completely frozen?
14:10<ComradeHaz`>completely frozen
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14:10<ComradeHaz`>probably because swap is on the RAID :/
14:10<CiccioPasticcio82>no hdd light even?
14:10<chatnix>how to change my timezone (running wheezy)?
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14:11<ComradeHaz`>yeah hdd light's solid
14:11<Black_Prince>chatnix, as root run -> dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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14:11<ComradeHaz`>it's spitting out the occasional ata26.00 error
14:11<ComradeHaz`>and logcheck confirms a bunch of unwritable sectors on the drive
14:12<ash_>My system had a Kernal Failure?
14:12<ash_>What does that mean?
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14:12<ash_>Seems ok now.
14:12<chatnix>Black_Prince: or just change it through gnome, apparently
14:12<CiccioPasticcio82>how can you perform logcheck if the system is frozen?
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14:13<ComradeHaz`>CiccioPasticcio82: logcheck mailed me earlier, before it froze
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14:14<CiccioPasticcio82>oh ok
14:15<CiccioPasticcio82>do you know which one is the failed drive?
14:15<ComradeHaz`>Physically, no
14:15<CiccioPasticcio82>ouch
14:15<ComradeHaz`>not unless I can get some info out of it
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14:15<CiccioPasticcio82>so there is no way to perform an hot swap... and even that i don't think will solve the frozen state
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14:16<ComradeHaz`>what would happen if I press power button and send halt command
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14:17<ComradeHaz`>do you have any idea if during a reshape from RAID 5 to 6 I still have redundancy?
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14:18<egwk>stomanata, well you can change skins from the preferences.. go View->Interface->Classic Winamp Interface. Then right click on an empty space and change the default to the one you like. (sorry it too me so long)
14:18<CiccioPasticcio82>how did you perform the reshape?
14:19<ComradeHaz`>New drive
14:19<ComradeHaz`>(add a drive)
14:20<CiccioPasticcio82>yes, of course
14:20<ComradeHaz`>md3 : active raid6 sdj[9] sdf2[0] sda1[7] sdc1[8] sdb1[4] sde1[5] sdd2[3] sdg2[1]
14:20<CiccioPasticcio82>the Q drive
14:20<ComradeHaz`>Sorry CiccioPasticcio82can you be more specific?
14:20<ComradeHaz`>You're saying I still have redundancy?
14:21<CiccioPasticcio82>the added drive to reshape from raid 5 to raid 6 is usually called Q drive (or Q disk)
14:21<ComradeHaz`>OK...?
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14:22<CiccioPasticcio82>but did you simply send that command while the system was running?
14:22<ComradeHaz`>So, CiccioPasticcio82, the above is the RAID in question, I know which element of the array each phyiscal drive is. ie 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 or 8
14:22<ComradeHaz`>CiccioPasticcio82: yes, when else?
14:22<ComradeHaz`>Sorry if I'm being dense
14:23<ComradeHaz`>um, correction
14:23<ComradeHaz`>So, CiccioPasticcio82, the above is the RAID in question, I know which element of the array each phyiscal drive is. ie 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, or 7.
14:24<ComradeHaz`>but that doesn't show it, does it?! :(
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14:24<CiccioPasticcio82>I am thinking about redundancy but I don;t know what happens exactly during a reshape
14:25<ComradeHaz`>:(
14:25<CiccioPasticcio82>as far as I know... reshaping (maintining redundancy)... should be done by creating the Q drive (on the added disk) and then going back to a mixed layout)
14:25<CiccioPasticcio82>maintaining*
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14:25<ComradeHaz`>I see.
14:25<ComradeHaz`>It made me specifiy a backup file location
14:26<stomanata>egwk, i don`t have view. i have preferences in FILE, but no option for skin...
14:26<ComradeHaz`>so that should be there
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14:26<stomanata>op. u say interface. no interface :(
14:26<CiccioPasticcio82>well, actually the Q disk is the added disk if you followed this method...
14:27<CiccioPasticcio82>but I think tha command only activates the raid... it does not reshape an existing one... that's maybe why it crashed after a while... filesys is being messed up
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14:28<egwk>stomanata, It has a menu named View hasn't it?(outside preferences)
14:28<ComradeHaz`>CiccioPasticcio82: it looks like a genuine failed disk
14:28<ComradeHaz`>got smart errors emailed to me too
14:28<ComradeHaz`>Shame I've been away from machines all day, could have caught it earlier.
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14:33<archpollux>hi
14:33<archpollux>i can't get the nouveau driver to work with X
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14:33<archpollux>besides the nouveau kernel module, do i need to load anything else?
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14:34<archpollux>X says [drm] failed to open device
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14:39<CiccioPasticcio82>help needed on networking - routing tables... I have given internet access to my server through one of it's two interfaces... while the other one is connected to the intranet network... but when I connect both of them, (since eth0-intranet is the default interface) internet via eth1 becomes no more available... how to configure my routing then?
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14:42<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: the "default" interface is the internet facing interface
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14:42<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: this is what defines it
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14:43<CiccioPasticcio82>oh, ok... I thought that was the default gateway only
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14:43<CiccioPasticcio82>how to change it to be the other one then?
14:43<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: route add default eth1
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14:44<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: route del default eth0
14:44<cDr>how long should it take to "Detect network hardware" when installing Debian? - That screen has been there for 30 minutes now, is this normal?
14:44<valdyn>cDr: no
14:45<CiccioPasticcio82>thank you valdyn , one more question related to routing... I have noted that on one subnet i am not able to ping the web
14:45<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: its never possible to ping the web
14:45<cDr>valdyn: what's wrong with my installation?
14:45<CiccioPasticcio82>I think ICMP packets are blocked... since I can surf
14:45<CiccioPasticcio82>I meant I cannot ping google for example... but I can ping my dns
14:46<CiccioPasticcio82>internal dns
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14:46<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: maybe you are blocking icmp then
14:46<CiccioPasticcio82>that's what i thought
14:46<valdyn>cDr: you already have an installation? why did you ask about installing?
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14:47<cDr>valdyn: yes, windows 7 is installed, but im going to install Debian
14:47<CiccioPasticcio82>but my question is different... since this ICMP filtering is there... if I put the default route on eth1 (the internet one)... will I be able to use the internal network like before?
14:47<CiccioPasticcio82>I will give you a few more info to understand the situation...
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14:48<FrozenZia>hiya - Trying to set up a Debian-edu server, my "router" to provide internet access is a laptop connected via wireless to my Wlan, running Firestarter w/internet connection sharing turned on, DHCP turned off. Not working though. Any ideas? (And please send me to a more appropriate channel if applicable!)
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14:48<CiccioPasticcio82>eth0 is on dhcp (but I can put also static) 172.20.147.251 (255.255.255.0 - gw 172.20.147.1) and eth1 is on dhcp (but I can put static for it as well) 172.20.130.251 - 255.255.255.0 - gw 172.20.130.1)... and they use two different proxies for the internet access (eth0 goes on authenticated proxy, I have credentials but it doesn't want to give me access...) so I use the one on eth1 (172.20.131.5 wh
14:48<CiccioPasticcio82>ich uses no autentication)... now how to set my routings?
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14:49<cDr>Is it possible to install Debian if Windows 7 is already installed?
14:50<tal>Hello all. I wish to build&install a package with PKGBUILD, and I don't know how(no README/INSTALL files)
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14:51<tal>Does anyone know? I've download tarball from: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?do_Details=1&ID=7054
14:52<tal>cDr: Yes! I did
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14:54<cDr>tal: it doesnt work for me
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14:54<tal>cDr: it's called dual-botting. When you set in the installer on wich partition you wanna install, just make a new ext3/4 and choose it. It won't affect Windows, and GRUB(the Bott manager) will recognize Windows
14:55<tal>cDr: You mean GRUB didn't recognize it?
14:55<cDr>tal: no ..
14:55<tal>cDr: At you least see GRUB?
14:55<cDr>tal: "<cDr> How long should it take to "Detect network hardware" when installing Debian? - That screen has been there for 30 minutes now, is this normal?"
14:55<cDr>no
14:56<ComradeHaz`>Guys, this is rather urgent, if I may be so bold but does anyone know if a machine with a degraded RAID will boot as long as it was shut down cleanly?
14:56<tal>cDr: Wait wait wait, Idon't understand what you did. Please start from beggining
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14:56<cDr>tal: I tried to install Debian, but im stuck at the screen that says "Detect network hardware"
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14:57<tal>cDr: Windows 7 networking had work correctlly?
14:57<FrozenZia>cDr: if it were me, I'd bail. (stop the install with a manual reset of the machine)
14:57<tal>cDr: It might be burning error also
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14:58<FrozenZia>cDr: before that I suppose you have already tried hitting escape?
14:58<cDr>tal: it works on my other machine
14:58<tal>cDr: Or CD ROM device reading error
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14:58<cDr>FrozenZia: do you mean restart?
14:59<tal>cDr: You mean that Debian works, or Windows 7?
14:59<cDr>tal: Debian CD works on my other machine
14:59<cDr>so no CD errors
14:59<FrozenZia>cDr: yep. try first to see if you can get to a menu by pressing escape, but if it just is still hung there at the same spot, just hold down the power button for your computer until it shuts down or restarts.
14:59<tal>cDr: Try to rebooting
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15:01<FrozenZia>ComradeHaz`: I obviously don't know what I'm talking about, but is there a reason to not just try and see what happens?
15:01<ComradeHaz`>Arguably.
15:01<FrozenZia>ComradeHaz`: (answer to your question, is, of course, NO, i don
15:01<FrozenZia>'t know)
15:02<tal>Does anyone know how to build "arch" packages with PKGBUILD file?(in Debian...)
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15:06<valdyn>tal: what is an "arch" package ?
15:06<CiccioPasticcio82>in case of ping... is there an ARP request too (in order to get the destination IP for the ICMP, I guess yes)? and who sends it? the pinging system or the router?
15:06<FrozenZia>Anyone used Firestarter with internet connection sharing and FIXED IP on the "local" end?
15:07<tal>valdyn: This is the package(the TARBALL): http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?do_Details=1&ID=7054
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15:07<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: arp requests dont go across physical subnets
15:07<tal>valdyn: I meant Arch linux
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15:09<CiccioPasticcio82>valdyn what do you mean? in my net (172.20.147.0 - 255.255.255.0), the dns is on another subnet (172.20.138.11 255.255.255.0)... so the subnet is different
15:09<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: it means that you cannot get the mac of google.com, so an arp request is pointless
15:10<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: the same is true for your *physical* subnets, ip subnets may or may not be physically seperate
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15:10<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: so telling me that its different ip subnets is meaningless
15:10<CiccioPasticcio82>oh ok then I used the wrong name... not ARP but the request that goes to the DNS
15:11<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: ping queries your local systems resolver to do a dns request
15:11<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: this is a standard libc6 library function
15:12<CiccioPasticcio82>and then puts the IP in the ICMP packet, right?
15:12<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: yes
15:13<CiccioPasticcio82>then is it possible (somehow) that I cannot ping google but I can surf it from the same system (using a proxy) where I also get ICMP packets and DNS requests unavailable?
15:13<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: sure, because youre using a proxy
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15:14<CiccioPasticcio82>I mean, I get DNS timeouts from exim when resolving gmail's smtp... but I can surf the web normally... (ping doesn't work...)
15:14<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: i know, same response
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15:14<CiccioPasticcio82>but how can the browser build the http packet if the dns is not available?
15:15<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: it cant build *that* packet, its using a proxy
15:15<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: same answer for your next question ;)
15:15<CiccioPasticcio82>then what does it send to the proxy? a packet with the proxy IP?
15:16<CiccioPasticcio82>and the proxy rewrites it with its own IP?
15:16<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: yes
15:16<CiccioPasticcio82>ohhhhhhhhhhh then there is no dns query at all... right?
15:16<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: yes
15:16<CiccioPasticcio82>only from the proxy...
15:16<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: yes
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15:17<CiccioPasticcio82>but one more question... I have set system proxy... so all the system is working fine on the net... but when I try to use exim with gmail's smtp settings... I get a dns timeout error-log
15:17<darkcity>yes like using Tor
15:18<CiccioPasticcio82>why isn't exim using the system proxy too?
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15:18<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: "all the system" = only http
15:18<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: theres no "system proxy"
15:18<CiccioPasticcio82>synaptic does it...
15:18<CiccioPasticcio82>I mean... synaptic connects and updates...
15:18<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: synaptic uses http
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15:18<CiccioPasticcio82>oh that's the reason!
15:19<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: you just set a system-wide http-proxy
15:19<CiccioPasticcio82>then how to set a whole system proxy? for all aother requests?
15:19<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: you dont, that doesnt work
15:19<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: http has built in proxy support
15:19<CiccioPasticcio82>hmmm... and then how to tell exim to send the packet to the proxy too?
15:19<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: most protocols do not, but even if they did you would still need one proxy per protocol
15:20<CiccioPasticcio82>in my case the proxy supports all protocols... socks, http, ftp, etc
15:20<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: which would be insanity, its enough to cater to broken / obsolete protocols like ftp
15:20<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: really? does it? all? dont be silly
15:21<CiccioPasticcio82>actually I have two proxies... on the two subnets... one is authenticated (I have credentials but it works only from my windozz pc... never worked from linux or even from firefox)... and the other one is not authenticated... and I am using it as alternative from the other subnet
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15:22<CiccioPasticcio82>I don;t know valdyn the settings of the network are like this... it is a company proxy and I can surf, ftp, and use many other apps...
15:22<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: but you cant send mail.
15:22<CiccioPasticcio82>not with exim
15:22<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: not with any mta, yea
15:22<CiccioPasticcio82>I use lotus notes from windows...
15:23<CiccioPasticcio82>yes, not with an mta... any suggestion? I am new to mailing stuffs
15:23<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: sorry, this is to hard for me
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15:25<CiccioPasticcio82>well you actually made me understand why synaptic works (as many other system stuffs) while exim does not
15:25<CiccioPasticcio82>so thank you anyway
15:25<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: welcome
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15:26<darkcity>SMTP - Simple Mail Transfer Protocol
15:26<CiccioPasticcio82>I should find a way to tell the system to send DNS requests on the internal eth0 interface (where DNS works fine and ICMP are also not blocked) and then route the internet traffic externally from eth1
15:27<CiccioPasticcio82>darkcity: yes i am trying to connect exim to the google's smtp
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15:29<darkcity>CiccioPasticcio82: Short description about mailprotocols http://www.w3schools.com/tcpip/tcpip_email.asp and also at wikipedeia
15:30<CiccioPasticcio82>darkcity: I think my problem is mainly related to routing... dns timeout from exim's log... it doesn't get the IP og smtp.google...
15:30<darkcity>CiccioPasticcio82: all you can know at http://www.rfcs.org/
15:31<valdyn>learning networking via rfcs is probably one of the hardest possible ways
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15:31<valdyn>but theres hardware ways too ;)
15:31<valdyn>*harder*
15:32<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: 'echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf', and everything might just work
15:32<darkcity>Internet Mail Architecture http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5598.txt
15:33<CiccioPasticcio82>8.8.8.8 is the dns of google I think
15:33<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: its one that works
15:33<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: feel free to use a different one that works....
15:33<CiccioPasticcio82>but valdyn , one thing still regarding what we where talking about before...
15:34<CiccioPasticcio82>in case the proxy supports them... in the system proxy I have set the "use same proxy for all the protocols"... this means that the system should be able to get out on all protocols, right?
15:35<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: no
15:35<CiccioPasticcio82>just it will probably never get out since the dns is not working
15:35<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: this refers to the 3-4 protocols listed, not to *all*
15:35<CiccioPasticcio82>ok, good that's better than all...
15:36<CiccioPasticcio82>http, https, ftp and socks
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15:37<CiccioPasticcio82>but after getting the ip from google's smtp... will exim send the e-mail using the proxy or not?
15:37<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: 21:35 < valdyn> CiccioPasticcio82: this refers to the 3-4 protocols listed, not to *all*
15:38<CiccioPasticcio82>so smtp will not go...
15:38<CiccioPasticcio82>then how to send my emails from behind a proxy?
15:38<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: not at all
15:39<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: but you can ping internet ip adresses i thought, so youre not "behind" a proxy
15:39<CiccioPasticcio82>I can ping because the dns is internal
15:39<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: jesus
15:40<CiccioPasticcio82>what?
15:40<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: you can ping internet ip adresses because you have internet access
15:40<CiccioPasticcio82>yes but only if I set the proxy
15:40<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: or maybe you cant ping internet ip adresses, then thats because you dont have internet access
15:40<CiccioPasticcio82>I mean... to surf I need to set a proxy
15:40<CiccioPasticcio82>to ping... my dns is 172.20...
15:40<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: proxies or dns has nothing to do with pinging ip adresses
15:41<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: so can you "ping 8.8.8.8" ?
15:41<CiccioPasticcio82>well... if I set the proxy i can ping google... if I don't set it (from windows machine) I can't
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15:42<CiccioPasticcio82>don't ask me why, I am not the netadmin... I only have credential to get out on the first proxy and also access to the unauthenticated one too
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15:43<valdyn>21:41 < valdyn> CiccioPasticcio82: so can you "ping 8.8.8.8" ?
15:43<darkcity>CiccioPasticcio82: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/
15:43<CiccioPasticcio82>yes
15:44-!-mode/#debian [+l 488] by debhelper
15:44<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: funny how you can ping it now without a proxy
15:44<CiccioPasticcio82>I am at home now, not in the company
15:44<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: so we cant fix this now.
15:44<CiccioPasticcio82>but I ping it regularily to see if I am connected
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15:46<CiccioPasticcio82>if I tell you that I can ping... it is because I have done it really many times... just I can't do it from the subnet where the unauthenticated proxy is... because the ICMP are blocked and dns is also not going there
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15:48<CiccioPasticcio82>but I can surf from there because (like you explained) proxy doesn't need me to have a dns...
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15:49<syntaur_>Where would I look to enable tap-to-click in GDM?
15:49<CiccioPasticcio82>but if I go to the other subnet... I can ping google, yes... dns is working and ICMPs are not blocked... and I am behind a proxy
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15:51<appye>Is there any reason NOT to have "quiet" for GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub? I removed it because I wanted to see the progress counter for decompressing the image from hibernation resume.
15:51<guilherme>hi, i did a aptitude full-upgrade, after that i got an kernel failure. the system continues running, but i want to rool back this updates, how can i do that?? thanks
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15:55<FrozenZia>K, I know everyone was very worried about my Firestarter problem =o), but I got it solved. Turns out all was fine there, but my default gateway on the debian-edu server I was setting up was all messed up. Solution was: 'ip route add default via 10.0.2.1' (fixed IP side of the laptop providing the internet connection)
15:55<ComradeHaz`>So, guys, I have a machine running an mdadm raid that has all but frozen. I know if I just kill the power the software raid will refuse to boot as the disks will be active. Is there a way of making the mdadm array stop using sysrq's or will the standard Alt+sysrq<RSEIUB> do the job OK?
15:56<FrozenZia>guilherme: holy shit the number of times i
15:56<FrozenZia>'ve had problems after an upgrade and wanted to rollback...
15:57<FrozenZia>Unfortunately all I can say is good luck, and hopefully someone else here can help.
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16:19<LoneWolf2>I don't think so.
16:19<LoneWolf2>uh uh
16:19<LoneWolf2>Idon't think so.
16:19<LoneWolf2>oh shit
16:19<LoneWolf2>whaz up my niggas?
16:19<LoneWolf2>Anyway.
16:19<LoneWolf2>I'm trying to install debian.
16:19<LoneWolf2>And it's having some issues.
16:20<LoneWolf2>I can't really figure it out.
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16:20<LoneWolf2>Also I thought I had to be somewhere today.
16:20<LoneWolf2>anybody know where the beer is clear?
16:20<LoneWolf2>oh shit
16:20<LoneWolf2>i dont think so
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16:47<Skywalker>whois Skywalker
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16:52<NcWcRoW>hola, la consola me arroga muchos datos de syslogd
16:52<NcWcRoW>kernel:[27108.154282] Oops: 0000 [#2] SMP
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16:52<NcWcRoW>son varios
16:52<NcWcRoW>creo que es un bug
16:52<NcWcRoW>se cae el chrome
16:52<ansgar>!en
16:52<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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16:53<NcWcRoW>ok
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17:27<mauodias>hello everybody
17:27<mauodias>could somebody give me a little help?
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17:28<mauodias>i think that the last kernel update has screwed up something with my internet navigation, i'd like to do a downgrade (or something else)
17:28<royh>mauodias: just ask. don't ask to ask :)
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17:28<mauodias>hehe, thanks royh
17:28<mauodias>but i can't find out how to do it
17:28<royh>mauodias: are you sure it's the kernel upgrade?
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17:29<royh>mauodias: what errors are you experiencing?
17:29<mauodias>well, before my last upgrade everything was fine
17:29<mauodias>so, only linux-headers were updated
17:30<mauodias>and now, on google chrome, i can't open more than one tab and terminal shows some weird messages
17:30<mauodias>that seems to be related to kernel
17:30<mauodias>i'll try to force the errors to get the messages
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17:33<mauodias>royh, in http://pastebin.com/1nLWSsHn you can check the messages
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17:34<mauodias>this wasn't happening before the upgrade, that's why I think it's related
17:34<royh>mauodias: yeah, there seems to be some issue that is kernel related.
17:34<royh>mauodias: what upgrade did you do?
17:35<mauodias>that automatic upgrade, to 2.6.32-5
17:35<kinky>we've got that today already, 32-5 --> 32-5squeeze1
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17:35<mauodias>great, kinky
17:35<royh>kinky: so another upgrade should take care of it?
17:35<mauodias>let me check
17:36<aussa>hi, what do you recommend gdm or gdm3?
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17:36<kinky>royh: no, the right one, is the faulty one, so it should be an downgrade
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17:37<mauodias>i'll have to change to 32-5squeeze1, correct?
17:37<kinky>aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64=2.6.32-35 on x86_64
17:39<kinky>the faulty one was *-squeeze1, now there was an update today (squeeze2) of which I don't know if it fixed the problem.
17:39<mauodias>kinky, do you know what was the problem about?
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17:40<kinky>mauodias: something about the gnome-manager and google chrome causing a kernel oops
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17:41<mauodias>kinky, ha, exactly this.. this aptitude call you've provided might install the last update, right?
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17:44<kinky>mauodias: no, it will install the kernel prior to squeeze1 which is outdated as of now, as squeeze2 ist the most up-to-date kernel right now. but I don't know if squeeze2 fixed it, you should try it out, if not, downgrade to 32-5
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17:46<mauodias>ok, i'll try an upgrade to squeeze2
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17:47<mauodias>kinky, where can I have this kind of information related to debian newest updates, bugs, this kinda thing?
17:48<themill>!dsa
17:48<dpkg>[dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see http://www.debian.org/security/ and http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ ; <RSS> feeds at http://www.debian.org/security/dsa (titles only) and http://www.debian.org/security/dsa-long (summaries). Ask me about <dsa lookup DSA-nnnn> for information about the packages affected. See also <tracker of doom>, <debsecan>, <dsa team>.
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17:51<mauodias>thanks, themill
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17:52<mauodias>kinky royh, thanks a lot for helping. i'll reboot to apply the changes and come back to say if it worked
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17:59<mauodias>kinky royh, seems to be working great.. where can I report bugs or if something wrong happens?
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18:01<kinky>mauodias: bugs.debian.org
18:01<royh>mauodias: i didn't really help, but I'm happy it worked! :) bugs.debian.org seems to be the place.
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18:01<mauodias>ok, it will be on my bookmarks from now on.. thanks a lot!
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18:03<markmental>hello I am using Debian Stable rght now and I am wondering how stable testing is. and how new are the programs?
18:03<Bushmills>stable is stable, and testing isn't
18:03<markmental>I mean how likely is it to fail
18:04<kinky>mauodias: if you're just running a desktop, testing should be fine
18:04<Nemoder>testing is usable but when bugs show up they can take awhile to get fixed in updates
18:04<Nemoder>sid gets fixed a lot faster but then new bugs show up faster too
18:04<markmental>has anyone here ever encountered a major bug in testing?
18:04<Bushmills>debian concept of "stable" refers to volatility of packages, not to their crash likeliness
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18:05<Bushmills>testing is about 20 to 30 updated packages per day on a sort of average installation
18:05<Bushmills>that means, not very stable :)
18:05<Nemoder>I've used testing a long time and I've yet to have it be unusable but some important applications do break once in awhile
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18:06<Bushmills>s/new/new or updated/
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18:07<markmental>Okay i am a power user who uses their computer for youtube and some basic web programming most of the time woudl testing be good for me.
18:07<markmental>and i like themeing and editing things
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18:07<kinky>mauodias: I would recommend that you stay on stable
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18:08<mauodias>that's not me, kinky, i think it's markmental
18:08<MrFrood>wot kinky said
18:08<markmental>yeah
18:08<markmental>ok
18:09<Nemoder>markmental: really I think the best reason to use testing is if you want to help test and report bugs
18:09<markmental>ok thanks for the info i will stick with stable
18:09<chealer>markmental: if you don't mind spending some time managing the system and don't rely on the PC too much, the best way to know is to try it.
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18:10<chealer>we definitely experienced major bugs in testing
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18:10<markmental>And just so you know I am not very experienced i just switched from ubuntu 2 months ago and have been using gnu/linux since june but I am on my computer almost all the time
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18:11<markmental>and so far i am managing stable well :)
18:11<Bushmills>markmental: with a backup of your personal files, i suppose it won't hurt to see for yourself how usable you find testing
18:12<Nemoder>I think it's just a matter of wether or not you enjoy troubleshooting problems. They don't show up all the time but when they do you have to have the right mindset to deal with them :)
18:12<markmental>ill try it in a virtualbox
18:12<Bushmills>installing a stable system again is after all no rocket science
18:12<MrFrood>markmental: I'd stick with stable + backports for while if I were you
18:12<markmental>on my debian
18:12<markmental>syable
18:12<markmental>stable *
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18:13<Bushmills>you may eventually find the frequent updates of testing tedious
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18:14<markmental>bushmills:yeah I don't like updating every day but once a month is fine.
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18:15<markmental>i recently had a kernal update today
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18:17<lnb143>hii
18:17<markmental>hello :)
18:17<lnb143>hows u??
18:18<markmental>good any problems?
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18:18<lnb143>yeah lot of
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18:18<lnb143>ru der
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18:19<markmental>I'm install wine 1.2.3 from source i will tell you if I have any problems.
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18:21<markmental>help error during ./configure configure: error: FreeType 32-bit development files not found. Fonts will not be built.
18:21<markmental>Use the --without-freetype option if you really want this
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18:23<kinky>markmental: just guessing, maybe you need 'libfreetype6-dev'
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18:23<markmental>okay thanks kinky i'll try it
18:23<markmental>already have it
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18:24<markmental>libfreetype6-dev is not the problem i already have it
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18:26<markmental>oh i found out about the wine installer using that
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18:28<kinky>markmental: got 'ia32-libs-dev' installed?
18:29<markmental>no thanks maybe it will work!
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18:40<markmental>Thanks! kinky:I love you in the your awesome way i was able to compile my first program from source!
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18:41<kinky>markmental: you're welcome
18:42<markmental>no i can send test results to winehq
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19:23<aussa>chealer, I installed kdm and it didn't worked either, do you really think I should upgrad to wheezy, if I have to, I will
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19:36<markmental>hello does anyone here know the command for the wine program loader?
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19:36<chealer>aussa: I think you'd be better on stable if it wasn't for NVIDIA, but it's an option. you can upgrade to wheezy, live without 3D acceleration, change your laptop, ask on the NVnews forum, ask a consultant...
19:37<liberty>Do any of you know of Debian-specific Fluxbox information? I am trying to add some menu items but am having trouble.
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19:38<aussa>chealer, ok, I will run out all my options before making something drastic
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19:47<liberty>+/SERVER irc.prison.net
19:47<liberty>oops
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19:51<liberty>My fluxbox woes are that when I add the menu item, as a simple shell command, it won't run
19:52<liberty>worse even, the new menu item doesn't show up
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20:17<ellogovern>whats a good remote access trojen
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20:20<ellogovern>whats a good remote access trojan
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20:25<kingsley_>Is my recollection correct that "apt-get purge --reinstall" removes installed files before re-creating them?
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20:26<kingsley_>Would that differ from "apt-get --purge --reinstall install <package>"?
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21:53<lifulinghan>hello anyone
21:56<sney>hi
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21:56<lifulinghan>hi
21:56<sney>!ask
21:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:58<lifulinghan>no question to me
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22:31<aussa>I want to add a file to the /usr/bin folder to run it fast, how do I do that?
22:39<jemurray>why type of file?
22:39<jemurray>what
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22:39<jemurray>If this is something you created (shell script, custom binary, etc). You should add it to /usr/local/bin. If you want to do that: sudo cp /path/to/your/file /usr/local/bin
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22:44<aussa>I installed a program in which in order to run it I always have to run: Programs/path/path/matlab, what I want is to simply run: matlab and that's it
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22:45<jemurray>aussa: You can also use sym links if you want to leave the original file in the same place. Something like: sudo ln -s /path/to/original/file /usr/local/bin
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22:46<aussa>jemurray, do I have to also create the file in /usr/local/bin, that did not worked...
22:47<aussa>jemurray, I think I poin it to /usr/local/bin hahaha, ls /usr/local/bin shows "matlab"
22:47<aussa>point*
22:47<jemurray>maybe, do you have a /usr/local directory structure? Check by running: ls -al /usr/local
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22:48<aussa>that showed: bin etc games include lib man sbin share src
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22:50<jemurray>I think you are fine.
22:50<jemurray>that looks like it worked.
22:50<jemurray>you have matlab in your /usr/local/bin/ now.
22:50<jemurray>in theory you can type matlab and it should work.
22:51<jemurray>Check your $PATH variable to make sure /usr/local/bin/ is in your default search path. Run: echo $PATH - it should show something like: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
22:52<aussa>well /usr/local/bin is showed there, but I typed matlab and it didn't worked.... sudo matlab?
22:52<aussa>hahah
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22:53<jemurray>I doubt you want to run matlab as root. At least you should not have to. It is best practices to not run applications as root if you don't have ot.
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22:53<aussa>ok
22:54<aussa>jemurray, do I have to update something?
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22:56<jemurray>I don't think so. I just tested by copying a file to /usr/local/bin, then I ran: which matlab, it returned: /usr/local/bin/matlab. I didn't have to do anything.
22:56<jemurray>Did you check your $PATH?
22:56<jemurray>Run: echo $PATH
22:56<aussa>yes
22:56<aussa>/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
22:56<jemurray>make sure /usr/local/bin is in there.
22:56<jemurray>run: echo $SHELL
22:56<sney>when you say it "doesn't work", what does it do instead
22:57<aussa>bash: matlab: command not found
22:57<syntaur>Permissions issue?
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22:58<jemurray>Can you run: /usr/local/bin/matlab and have it work?
22:58<jemurray>(fully qualified path)
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22:59<sney>ls -l `which matlab`
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23:01<jemurray>I would like to see: ls -al /usr/local/bin
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23:01<aussa>run: /usr/local/bin/matlab; bash: /usr/local/bin/matlab: No such file or directory ls -al /usr/local/bin/; matlab -> Programs/MatlabR2010a/bin/matlab
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23:02<jemurray>ah.
23:02<jemurray>You need the fully qualified path in your sym link.
23:02<jemurray>It MUST start with a /
23:03<aussa>mmm... ok
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23:03<jemurray> for example: ln -s /Programs/Matlabblahblahblah/matlab /usr/local/bin
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23:03<jemurray>your will have to: rm /usr/local/bin/matlab to remove the broken link first.
23:03<aussa>ok it worked
23:03<aussa>thank you :D
23:04<jemurray>no problem. Have fun matlab'ing.
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23:05<aussa>ahaha ty
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23:28<amitz>I notice a new linux-image version after aptitude update, yet the bugs.debian.org entry that suppose to cause the update is not declared closed yet. Is it possible the new update contains the fix? in other word, is it possible that a fix is pushed without bugs.debian.org declares it to be fixed?
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23:31<amitz>fwiw, attempt do download changelog says "404, Not found", from pressing C in aptitude menu.
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23:39<ProjektGhost>Hello, having a problem with some packages from last time I ran an update. Synaptic is giving me the following output: E: libgl1-nvidia-alternatives: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
23:39<ProjektGhost>E: libgl1-nvidia-glx: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
23:39<ProjektGhost>E: nvidia-glx: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
23:39<ProjektGhost>E: libgl1-nvidia-alternatives-ia32: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
23:39<ProjektGhost>E: libgl1-nvidia-glx-ia32: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
23:39<ProjektGhost>E: nvidia-glx-ia32: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
23:39<ProjektGhost>Anything to resolve this issue?
23:39<sney>what debian version?
23:41<ProjektGhost>6 - squeeze
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23:48<blarson>ProjektGhost: did you install a non-debian version of nvidia drivers?
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23:48<ProjektGhost>Yes.
23:49<ProjektGhost>From the NVIDIA website.
23:49<blarson>ProjektGhost: they've been known to cause upgrade problems in the past
23:50<ProjektGhost>ah
23:51<ProjektGhost>Will this prevent me from being able to install other packages or even updates? Because I think I've tried installing another package just earlier and I don't think it installed.
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23:53<sney>!why nvidia installer sucks
23:53<dpkg>nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. We recommend against using it based on extensive experience. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia>.
23:53<sney>ProjektGhost: ^ this is what happened to you
23:53<sney>judd: versions nvidia-installer-cleanup
23:53<judd>Package nvidia-installer-cleanup on i386 -- sid/contrib: 20110729+1; wheezy/contrib: 20110729+1
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