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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-09-11

---Logopened Sun Sep 11 00:00:09 2011
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00:07<ProjektGhost>sney: Are you still there? I apologize, I think I got disconnected.
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00:09<sney>ProjektGhost: yeah, I'm here, but I'm about to leave and I didn't offer you a solution
00:10<ProjektGhost>Ah. Sorry.
00:10<sney>ProjektGhost: here's the solution: purge and reinstall xorg, and then follow this to install your nvidia drivers: http://drubo.net/nvidia-dkms-howto.txt
00:10<ProjektGhost>Thank you.
00:10<ProjektGhost>I will look at it.
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00:11<Twtty>Chat Test :)
00:11<sney>!test
00:11<dpkg>Test failed.
00:12<Twtty>lol :(
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00:23<Luminous>Got an e-mail from Debian Security, is there an update available for the kernel that fixes the regression caused by September 8th's update that cause a kernel oops when tryint to run gnome-system-monitor as a normal user?
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01:07<Bushmills>[DSA 2303-2] New linux-2.6 packages fix regression <- this one? yes, there is
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01:19<amitz>nice!
01:20<amitz>it somehhow caused my pc to overheat too
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02:02<Bushmills>if your pc overheated, there's something else wrong. like, fan not dimensioned properly
02:03<Bushmills>unless a bug directly interferes with fan speed
02:04<amitz>i mean when running chrome, which is affected by the bug.
02:06<amitz>and not exactly overheat. more like fan working like czray. inaccurate term, my bad.
02:07<amitz>yet top doesn't show anything strange.
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02:31<diego>Hello, why is Eclipse (IDE) missing in testing repositories ?
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02:33<Hydroxide>diego: the version in sid/unstable is horribly broken, that's why. the version in experimental may be worth using (I uploaded it), though I'm going to need to do another upload to account for some recent changes in sid. no idea if those changes have made it to testing yet.
02:33<Hydroxide>diego: my next upload will probably be to sid, which will eventually make it into testing.
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02:33<Hydroxide>diego: I guess the old wheezy version may have been quite out of date and stopping other stuff from transitioning, too - iceweasel / xulrunner, I think
02:34<diego>Hydroxide: is there an easy way to install at least the stable from the repository (I know I can always download Eclipse from eclipse.org)
02:34<diego>but I mean, without changing sources.list or anything
02:34<Hydroxide>diego: not sure what you mean "the stable" - the version in experimental is 3.7 which is the current version from eclipse.org.
02:35<diego>"aptitude show eclipse" - no candidates
02:35<Hydroxide>diego: you can download the relevant debs, but indeed the easiest way is to temporarily add unstable and experimental to your sources.list, apt-get update, aptitude -t experimental install eclipse, then remove unstable and experimental from your sources.list (or comment them out) and then apt-get update again
02:35<Hydroxide>indeed. it's not in the testing repository, right now.
02:35<Hydroxide>as you noticed.
02:36*Hydroxide needs to go to sleep now, but other people here can help you follow my instructions.
02:36<Hydroxide>good night.
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02:36<diego>ok, thank you
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04:18<mix22891>hello
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04:20<mix22891>i'm under ubuntu and i want to install debian, last time that i've installed debian i have can't connect to the internet, i just can't find a way to connect to the internet - how can i connect to the internet? thank you
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04:21<mix22891>trough debian?
04:22<mix22891>in the installer i can't find a mirror to update the system, there was no internet connection
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04:22<mosno>mix22891: wireless or wired
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04:22<mix22891>wired
04:23<mosno>mix22891: was the kernel module for your network card loaded?
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04:23<mix22891>there was no internetconnection to connect a mirror
04:23<mix22891>mosno: i can't understand you
04:24<mosno>mix22891: which make/model ethernet device do you have?
04:24<mix22891>a network card?
04:25<mosno>mix22891: yes
04:25<mix22891>ok
04:25<mix22891>i tryed to install 2 times debian last night
04:25<mix22891>no internet connection
04:26<mix22891>i can't find a way to connect to the internet trough debian
04:26<mix22891>i'm under ubuntu now
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04:28<mix22891>there was no 'ICON' to connect, i have look for it
04:28<mosno>mix22891: you really need to be more specific
04:29<mix22891>i have looking for 'ICON' about 1h'
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04:29<mix22891>i was
04:29<mosno>what is "ICON"?
04:29<mix22891>for internet connection
04:30<mosno>...
04:30<nutterpc>there is an icon for internet connection under linux
04:30<nutterpc>its called
04:30<nutterpc>commandline
04:30<nutterpc>:)
04:30<mix22891>you mean terminal?
04:31<nutterpc>nvm, lol
04:31<nutterpc>geeks will know what that means
04:31<nutterpc>hehehe
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04:32<mosno>mix22891: we can't help you without specifics. debian is a distro where you have to do some reading/thinking, it doesn't hold your hand like ubuntu.
04:32<mix22891>i see
04:32<nutterpc>mix22891, might i suggest the following
04:32<mosno>eg. you still haven't given us the actual hardware in question
04:32<nutterpc>list what network hardware u have
04:33<mix22891>umm.. i don't remember
04:33<nutterpc>its called lspci -nn > lspci.txt
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04:34<nutterpc>and then upload that to pastebin
04:34<nutterpc>and give us the link
04:34<nutterpc>simple
04:34<mix22891>ok
04:34<ichdasich>mix22891: sudo apt-get install curl; lspci -nn | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
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04:35<nutterpc>the golden rules mix22891
04:35<nutterpc>if u want to get help for a linux issue
04:35<mix22891>03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 03)
04:35<nutterpc>thats ur normal NIC
04:36<nutterpc>onboard
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04:36<nutterpc>is to provide all the detail you can
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04:36<nutterpc>about the given issue
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04:36<mosno>nutterpc: and not to punctuate with the ENTER key ;)
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04:36<ompaul>mix22891: why didn't you run the command that ichdasich gave you - it will help a lot
04:36<nutterpc>that too :)
04:37<mix22891>i have lost you guys
04:37<ichdasich>http://djlab.com/2010/10/fixing-rtl8111-8168b-driver-debian-ubuntu/
04:37<ompaul> mix22891: sudo apt-get install curl; lspci -nn | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
04:37<ichdasich>i knew there was a problem with those cards.
04:37<ompaul>mix22891: do everything in a terminal after that :
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04:38<nutterpc>mosno, u know what else i find helps get hardware working?
04:38<nutterpc>a hammer
04:38<nutterpc>:P
04:38<ompaul>mix22891: it will take a few seconds and then you can be helped - if that is what you want
04:38<mosno>ichdasich: nice link
04:39<ichdasich>thanks
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04:39<nutterpc>one tip guys
04:39<mosno>nutterpc: stay away from my pc then :)
04:40<nutterpc>never drink vodka shots while eating a hot beef vindaloo
04:40<nutterpc>unless u like pain
04:40<ompaul>nutterpc: vindaloo invented for the english market
04:41<nutterpc>lol, depends where u go
04:41<ompaul>mosno: I think we can take it that mix wants no help it is now over four minutes since the useful link was given a second time
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04:43<nutterpc>u want fun, try gettin Software Raid running, nice little brain teaser for the weekend
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04:43<mix22891>ompaul:
04:43<mix22891>i'm just shoked
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04:43<ompaul>your just trolling
04:44<mix22891>what els you need?
04:44<mix22891>03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 03)
04:44<ompaul>I just gave you a command to run and give us a link
04:46*nutterpc grabs the deckchair and popcorn
04:46<nutterpc>anyone else want a beer?
04:46<ompaul>me
04:46*nutterpc passes ompaul a corona
04:46<mix22891>where to past the information?
04:46<mix22891>all the*
04:46<nutterpc>grab a chair ompaul
04:46*nutterpc points to a spare deckchair
04:47<amitz>mix22891: the information will be automatically pasted, you just need to run the command
04:47<mix22891>i did
04:47<ompaul>amitz: if he ran it it would
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04:48<mix22891>to past there all the info'?
04:48<mix22891>here*
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04:48<ompaul>mix22891: open a web browser run the command in a terminal and see if it helps
04:48<ompaul>maybe firefox is stupid
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04:49<ompaul>nutterpc: throw me curried chips
04:49<ompaul>and a plastic fork :)
04:49<mix22891>i have no link to give
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04:50<amitz>and other possibilities too. But if you want to make it work but moar work, just pastebin the result of lspci -nn
04:50<mix22891>what do you need?
04:50<ompaul>sudo apt-get install curl; lspci -nn | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< do that stuff over there
04:50<ompaul>in full
04:51*nutterpc passes ompaul a nice big serve of curried chips, a fork, and some lager
04:51<ompaul>nomdy nom
04:51<mix22891>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 344 not upgraded.
04:51<mix22891> http://sprunge.us/EPeR
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04:52<mix22891>00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset DRAM Controller [8086:2e30] (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset PCI Express Root Port [8086:2e31] (rev 03) 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 01) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 1 [8086:27d0] (rev 01) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel
04:52-!-adi [~adi@2001:470:b471:0:29bf:ae4a:3783:bd20] has joined #debian
04:52<mix22891>00:1d.1 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #2 [8086:27c9] (rev 01) 00:1d.2 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #3 [8086:27ca] (rev 01) 00:1d.3 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #4 [8086:27cb] (rev 01) 00:1d.7 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB2 EHCI Controller [8086:27cc] (rev 01) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge
04:52<ompaul>we read pastebins stop that
04:52<mix22891>read what?
04:53<ompaul>the http: link
04:54<mix22891>where is that link?
04:54<Zaba>2011-09-11T12:51:46 < mix22891> http://sprunge.us/EPeR
04:55<mix22891>what's now?
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04:55<ompaul>mix22891: what version of debian were you trying to install
04:56<mix22891>i think it's v.6
04:56<mix22891>donno
04:56<mix22891>the 1 or 2 before the new
04:57<ompaul>ok, so you have a usb key?
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04:57<mix22891>yes
04:57<ompaul>do you have two of them?
04:57<mix22891>no
04:57<mix22891>:)
04:57<ompaul>you have a CD
04:57<mix22891>yes
04:57<ompaul>with debian on it?
04:57<mix22891>yes
04:57<ompaul>ok give me two minutes
04:57<mix22891>thank you
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04:59<AquaL1te>when i run 'iptables -L -v' the output is very slow, line by line is displayed from my configuration... what could be wrong with my iptable configuration?
05:01<amitz>AquaL1te: I sometime experience the same thing, never know why, fwiw. Let see if someone can comment on that.
05:01<valdyn>AquaL1te: nothing, thats probably your name server, try iptables -L -n
05:02<valdyn>amitz: ^^
05:02<AquaL1te>valdyn: that works very fast, as it should! thanks!
05:02<AquaL1te>what could be wrong with my nameserver?
05:03<valdyn>AquaL1te: nothing, its just slow enough to make your iptables -L annoyingly slow
05:03<AquaL1te>valdyn: okay thanks! :)
05:03*amitz will see the log, thanks valdyn , the phenomenon is random, so probably.
05:03<amitz>bbl
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05:04<mix22891>amitz?
05:04<mix22891>are you israeli guy?
05:04<ompaul>mix22891: download this file http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb put it on your usb stick - install - when done reboot, log in, plug the stick in, copy file to desktop, open terminal run command without >> su - << when you are root type >> cd Desktop << dpkg -i firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb restart box you should have working network (yes I know that could be done other ways but
05:04<ompaul>lets not tempt fate ;-) )
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05:07<ompaul>mix22891: and >>> dpkg -i firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb <<< is also a command
05:07<ompaul>but hey whose counting
05:07<mix22891>ompaul: i have 1 usb stick and there is alot of information on it, what can i do? don't tell me that i have to burn a cd :)
05:07<ompaul>mix22891: I just told you but hey if you ignore my advice that is your call
05:08<mix22891>so whit this command i don't have to use the USB stick?
05:09<mix22891>dpkg -i firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb
05:09*dpkg removes a kidney from mix22891 and replaces it with firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb
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05:10<mix22891>oh yea, ok
05:10<mix22891>!
05:10<mix22891>dpkg -i firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb but i have no internet connection
05:10*dpkg installs firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb but i have no internet connection into mix22891's head with a bone saw and a few screws
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05:13<mix22891>this command will download a software from the internet?
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05:13<ompaul>mix22891: DOWNLOAD THE FILE NOW
05:13*ompaul kicks mix22891 into the middle of a pile of clue
05:14<mix22891>and to do all what have you sayed before?
05:14<ompaul><ompaul> mix22891: download this file http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb put it on your usb stick - install - when done reboot, log in, plug the stick in, copy file to desktop, open terminal run command without >> su - << when you are root type >> cd Desktop << >>> dpkg -i firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb <<<
05:14<mix22891>ok
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05:15<ompaul>I really wonder did facebook take peoples brains away - is it the great zombie brain eater of old
05:16<mix22891>i'm afrid that i'll stuck in truble in the middle of that
05:17<ompaul>mix22891: pity about you, I guess you need to go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net and just be happy with that
05:17<mix22891>i'm so unger and i have no food
05:18<mix22891>i'll be happy with debian
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05:18<ompaul>nutterpc: more beer pleads
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05:19*nutterpc passes ompaul a small keg
05:20<ompaul>ta
05:20<mix22891>ompaul: i'll do what you have sayed
05:20<mix22891>thank you.
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05:21<ompaul>nutterpc: you have a joke in pm :)
05:22<mix22891>i'm just afried it will not work for me
05:22<nutterpc>AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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05:22<ompaul>earworms rock
05:23<mix22891>ompaul: are you sure about that?
05:23<ompaul>this one does
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05:24<mix22891>i''l print the instructrs
05:24<mix22891>sorry about the englsih
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05:27<ompaul>!il
05:27<dpkg>it has been said that il is Israel, home of some truly great people
05:28<ompaul>drat I was hoping for a debian channel
05:28*ompaul head desks
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05:31<mix22891>ompaul: how do i install the program please?
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05:32<ompaul>mix22891: I told you everthing you need to know
05:32<ompaul>mix I'll write it as one line one last time
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05:33<ompaul> download this file http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb put it on your usb stick - install - when done reboot, log in, plug the stick in, copy file to desktop, open terminal run command without >> su - << when you are root type >> cd Desktop << >>> dpkg -i firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb <<< all the bits between >> << are commands that is all you need
05:33<mix22891>thanks alot!
05:33<mix22891>c'ya
05:33<mix22891>:)
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05:34<babilen>Why not use the firmware image or provide it during the installation?
05:34<ompaul>babilen: he did't suggest he had more disks and I wasn't going there
05:34<babilen>sure, too late anyway :)
05:34<ompaul>as providing it durning install sometimes it is not detected
05:35<ompaul>and then you get panicing, now we know they have a working method
05:35<babilen>indeed
05:36<ompaul>babilen: what's that hardware compatibility site?
05:36*ompaul has no memory
05:36<babilen>kmuto's hcl site?
05:36<ompaul>yeap
05:37<babilen>http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (for the lazy I don't want to google crowd)
05:37<ompaul>hehe
05:37<ompaul>I just did
05:37<ompaul>nutterpc: ^^ see that link and stick that raid controller in there
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05:43<CiccioPasticcio82>hello all, how to set exim4 to use external smtp (e.g. google's one) if I am behind a proxy? I have configured exim4 as depicted here http://www.manu-j.com/blog/wordpress-exim4-ubuntu-gmail-smtp/75/ but I get a DNS timeout... so I think exim is not going through the system proxy. How to proceed?
05:44<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: we already had this
05:44<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: theres no system proxy
05:44<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: geez
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05:45<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: exim4 needs your system to have a name server that works in /etc/resolv.conf
05:45<XeonBloomfield>Hello
05:45<CiccioPasticcio82>hello valdyn, but then do you mean there is no way to solve it?
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05:45<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: is there no way to query a name server?
05:45<XeonBloomfield>how to get "b" from "a b c" using sed? ;)
05:46<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: you told me you could ping 8.8.8.8, therefore you can probably query it too, therefore you can use a name server
05:46<CiccioPasticcio82>the dns is assigned by dhcp... and it is working... just I think it is blocked on the specific subnet the system proxy is
05:47<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: ...
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05:47<CiccioPasticcio82>valdyn: I can ping it from another subnet... which uses the same DNS as the blocked one
05:47<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: "from another subnet" is useless, you need access from localhost
05:47<CiccioPasticcio82>both subnets are on localhost... two interfaces are there
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05:48<CiccioPasticcio82>that's why I think it might be solved by a routing trick... just I don't really know how
05:48<ompaul>CiccioPasticcio82: this is irc, there is a person who is known as valdyn here you should actually work with them rather than against them, they know more about this if you could either give enough information in one go (paste bin lots of configs on a couple of links) and drop the pretense you actually know what is going on, because if you did you wouldn't be here asking!
05:48<Bushmills>CiccioPasticcio82: check out unbound, or dnsmasq if you have an upstream name server available
05:48<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: that "trick" would be fixing your routing
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05:49<Bushmills>unbound doesn't need one, it can recurse
05:49<ompaul>CiccioPasticcio82: and Bushmills is in the same camp
05:50<Bushmills>i'd also throw in maradns, set up as proxy or recursive, depending on your needs
05:51<CiccioPasticcio82>ompaul: I am working with him, I also thanked him for the help he provided in the past... :)
05:51<CiccioPasticcio82>what is maradns? Bushmills
05:51<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: are you on that system you are trying to fix right now?
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05:52<Bushmills>CiccioPasticcio82: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MaraDNS
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05:53<Bushmills>forget about the possibility to run it as authoritative name server, you'd be interested in either its function as proxy or recursor.
05:53<CiccioPasticcio82>no valdyn but I can go there by vpn... just this chat will stop when connected
05:54<valdyn>CiccioPasticcio82: you realise that this is why we arent fixing your problem?
05:54<CiccioPasticcio82>ok reading Bushmills, thank you
05:55<Bushmills>essentially, unbound or dnsmasq - at least with respect to resolving - are one-trick ponies, while maradns is a three-trick pony, with one trick you're not in need of
05:55<valdyn>i can understand people hiding that they are using ubuntu, but hiding that you dont have access to the system thats one safe way to shoot yourself
05:56<valdyn>( and waste everyones time )
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05:58<CiccioPasticcio82>valdyn: actually I am here now during week end not to specifically "fix the problem" and forget anout it... but rather to "learn" something more about what it could be so that when back there I can have a few possible solutions to go on even if nobody is here on the channel available or willing to help. But anyway, this same sentence is another waste of time. I was just discussing and asking...
05:58<CiccioPasticcio82>...for something to read/study/learn about this. Thank you anyway.
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06:10<CiccioPasticcio82>Bushmills: where you suggesting to put MaraDNS on my system to relay all the dns requests on the interface/subnet where I have the working dns?
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06:15<CiccioPasticcio82>it seems quite a bit invasive method... I thought a simpler routing directive could do the job (but I have no guess how to route only dns requests)... well I don't even know if this is is actually feasible (routing works with IPs and not with protocols as far as I know... but I a newbie, that's why I am asking here
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06:34<Bushmills>ah - well, if you have a working name server, why don't you use that one then?
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06:36<CiccioPasticcio82>Bushmills: because the dns (and also ping) requests have been blocked on the subnet where I have my working proxy for internet access
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06:37<CiccioPasticcio82>but I can access the same dns from another interface and it is working fine on that subnet
06:38<Bushmills>you don't need to route "only" name server requests. you route everything, and the name server requests go where they must go to by what destination address you specify
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06:39<Bushmills>undo what blocks the requests, or requests on what is not blocked
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06:40<CiccioPasticcio82>yes Bushmills but the problem is that if I route everything... also the http packets will be routed... and the network where the dns is working has another proxy which requires authentication and it seems to refuse any request from everything which is not wondozz stuff (even firefox on myxp laptop is refused)
06:40<CiccioPasticcio82>windozz*
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06:41<Bushmills>then proxy your name server, as suggested.
06:41<CiccioPasticcio82>basically, the whole network is win based... and refuses/obstacolates many non-microsofz programs
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06:42<CiccioPasticcio82>so, a local MaraDNS relaying the working DNS?
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06:43<Bushmills>a network is network service based. not win based
06:44<CiccioPasticcio82>yes but same credentials, same system, same account... I can browse using internet explorer but I can't if I use firefox... same proxy, same everything
06:44<Bushmills>a network doesn't have accounts. a network service may do.
06:45<CiccioPasticcio82>yes, I meant that all the servers are running microsoft sw...
06:45<CiccioPasticcio82>and therefore also services are micro stuff
06:46<Bushmills>if you're using microsoft specific services for which there is no non-microsoft equivalent, or client, you're out of luck
06:46<Bushmills>but in that case, #debian is probably not the place you want to be
06:47<CiccioPasticcio82>yes I think the same, anyway, thank you for your help. I am running squeeze on my server but it is put inside this micro environment
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06:47<Bushmills>!wins
06:47<dpkg>The Windows Internet Name Service (WINS) is Microsoft's implementation of NetBIOS Name Service. For a WINS implementation on Unix-like systems, ask me about <samba>.
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06:47<CiccioPasticcio82>I get wins addresses on my dhcp...
06:48<Bushmills>!upnp
06:48<dpkg>Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) is a series of protocols for enabling device discovery and device-to-device networking. UPnP AV is an audio/video extension of UPnP; media servers packaged for Debian include gmediaserver, mediatomb and <minidlna>, clients include <totem> with the coherence UPnP/DLNA plugin (totem-coherence package). http://www.upnp.org/about/ See also <zeroconf>.
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06:50<Bushmills>addition: epiphany (gnome web browser) queries zeroconf records too, and build dynamic bookmarks from replies
06:51<CiccioPasticcio82>upnp can't be used... routing is fixed... 172.20.147.0 network - 255.255.255.0 gw 172.20.147.1 (dns 172.20.138.11 & authenticated proxy) + 172.20.130.0 network - 255.255.255.0 gw 172.20.130.1 (dns 172.20.138.11 & non-authenticated proxy)
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06:52<CiccioPasticcio82>debian can go out on the 130 subnet/interface... iceweasel, epiphany, synaptic, etc... are not blocked/filtered by the non-auth proxy
06:52<ompaul>CiccioPasticcio82: how about setting a static IP on the debian box outside of the dhcp range, tell it about its routes, and go to ##windows on irc.freenode.net for the rest of what you need to know
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06:53<ompaul>else rebuild your network in a way that lets things happen
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06:55<ompaul>CiccioPasticcio82: why would I be so cruel as to suggest that, cos you have spent an hour on a problem where all you have done has said "that won't work", so it seems to me that the problem is at the network design layer, even if that design was organic.
06:57<ompaul>It seems to me that you have a classic case of "Can't get there from here".
06:57<CiccioPasticcio82>well, at the moment I can rebuild only my own system, not the whole network... it is quite a big one. Sorry for disturbing the channel too much
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07:16<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. I have an array that I cannot start. I think the best thing I can do is show you what I've been doing as I think it probably says it all. I've pastebinned it at: http://pastebin.com/ubU7bw1n
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07:27<opalepatrick>not very knowledgeable re network stuff. But on squeeze, I just want to connect to a router via ethernet cable and change the settings preferable using the browser. (This is to extend my existing wi-fi setup) I would return to a normal internet connection after. What is the easiest way. I tried to do as mentioned but I cannot connect.
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07:28<opalepatrick>Also, after connecting the router in question, I checked route -n and only got the existing/regular network connection
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07:33<__Alex_>I wat to kill an aplication that's not responding, but it doedn't work. Is there a wa i can Force Kill?
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07:35<__Alex_>is there a way i can Kill an app, that doesn't respond to kill?
07:35<ompaul>you have done kill -9 pid-of-app?
07:35<__Alex_>I'll try
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07:37<__Alex_>stupid question: How do i find out a PID of an app?
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07:37<daemonkeeper>pidof
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07:37<babilen>pgrep, ps aux|grep, ...
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07:40<__Alex_>the only thing the commands above do is crash my terminal :(
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07:42<babilen>__Alex_: Which command are you referring to? What was the *exact* command you executed and what do you mean by "crash my terminal" ? Which terminal is it?
07:42<MrFrood>__Alex_: ps aux | grep name_of_process e.g. ps aux | grep iceweasel
07:42<babilen>or just "pgrep firefox" or whatever you are actually trying to do
07:43<babilen>pkill might come in handy too -- Read the manpages and please provide more information on what you actually want to do
07:43<__Alex_>All respond the same. Do nothing, and CTRL-C has no effect on them
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07:45<babilen>__Alex_: What are the exact commands you execute? What are you trying to achieve? Can you show us the output of the commands on http://paste.debian.net ?
07:46<__Alex_>i typed "ps aux|grep winecfg", and it literally does nothing
07:46<babilen>one thing to try is also xkill+click window ... but I will stop guessing now
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07:47<__Alex_>And pgrep does the same :/
07:47<babilen>__Alex_: Are you sure that the process if named winecfg? What does "ps aux|grep wine" give you? What about "xprop" + click the window? xkill?
07:47<__Alex_>I'll try
07:48<MrFrood>__Alex_: does top/htop show the pid ?
07:48<SynrG>i've seen cases where processes reading proc all get stuck
07:48<SynrG>i'm not sure why or how to fix it
07:49<__Alex_>Xkill worked, thank you people :)
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07:50*babilen guesses that the process name was just not winecfg -- And I made a mistake :) It should have been "xprop -spy" not just "xprop"
07:51<__Alex_>And is there a way to kill Kernel Modules?
07:51<SynrG>kernel modules are not processes
07:51<__Alex_>:/
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07:51<SynrG>maybe you're confusing this with kernel processes?
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07:51<babilen>__Alex_: Why would you want to do that? You can unload/remove kernel modules (modprobe -r), but what are you trying to achieve?
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07:52<__Alex_>I have a USB sound card, and it likes to crash a lot of stuff, well, randomly
07:53<__Alex_>Like Virtualbox
07:54<SynrG>i assume you mean upstream's virtualbox? (since virtualbox-ose has no usb support)
07:54<babilen>So blacklist the module (/msg dpkg blacklist) and file a bug in which you detail how the problem can be reproduced. (/msg dpkg reportbug)
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07:54<SynrG>the fault could be in virtualbox, in which case complain upstream
07:54<babilen>__Alex_: Is virtualbox the only thing that is crashing? Or what does comprise "a lot of stuff" ?
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07:54<babilen>+1 for SynrG
07:54<__Alex_>But i DO want to use the USB card. My integrated Sound card is burned out
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08:20<ambarish>after installing widows 7 over pinguy linux i am not getting the grub loader.now how i will access linux
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08:22<ambarish>someone please help me how to get back the grub loader
08:22<juste>ambarish, one option is to edit the windows boot loader and add an entry for the linux
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08:23<ambarish>juste, how to add an entry.what i will write there ?
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08:24<__Alex_>ambarish: Do you have anykind of Linux Live CD?
08:24<juste>i am talking about windows boot loader, ok? there is a program for example, EasyBCD. might help you
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08:26<juste>what __Alex_ suggests is better if you want the grub back
08:26<__Alex_>ambarish: Is anyone there?
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08:28<__Alex_>ambarish: Basicly, your problem is that Winbows has overtaken the Boot sector. This can be repaired, if you have a Live CD with GRUB installed (For example Ubuntu Live Disk)
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08:28<ambarish>yes i do have the usb bootable linux
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08:29<__Alex_>ambarish: Boot it
08:29<ambarish>i have done
08:29<__Alex_>ambarish: And when it's booted, mount your Linux Root directory somewhere
08:29<ambarish>how to do that ?
08:29<__Alex_>What's your root Linux disc?
08:30<ambarish>pinguy 11
08:30<__Alex_>Disc! Not name
08:30<__Alex_>type "su -c 'fdisk -l'"
08:30<__Alex_>Witouth Double quotes
08:31<__Alex_>What does it show? Put the output on Pastebin
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08:32<ompaul>http://paste.debian.net is one such pastebin
08:32<ambarish>i dont know the password so its showing authentication failure
08:32<__Alex_>ok, try "sudo fdisk -l"
08:33<ambarish>its showing a list
08:33<__Alex_>Put it on a pastebin!
08:33<__Alex_>I wanna see it
08:34<ambarish> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
08:34<ambarish>/dev/sda1 * 1 5222 41943040 7 HPFS/NTFS
08:34<ambarish>/dev/sda2 5222 10444 41942016 83 Linux
08:34<ambarish>/dev/sda3 10444 23498 104857600 7 HPFS/NTFS
08:34<ambarish>/dev/sda4 23498 38914 123824129 f W95 Ext'd (LBA)
08:34-!-ambarish was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
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08:34<__Alex_>This is how it ends when someone doesn't listen.
08:35<__Alex_>:/
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08:35<ompaul>__Alex_: correct
08:35<ompaul>ambarish http://paste.debian.net is one such pastebin
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08:36<ompaul>ambarish: use the pastebin please
08:36<__Alex_>ambarish: You were kicked, because you didn't used the pastebin
08:36<ambarish>ok .i have send it
08:37<__Alex_>Link?
08:37<ompaul>what is the link address of the page?
08:37*ompaul hands __Alex_ the spoon for the spoon feeding :-/
08:37<__Alex_>spoon?
08:37<ambarish>Posting 129352 from anonymous posted at 2011-09-11 14:36:25 expires: 2011-09-14 14:36:25
08:37<ompaul>ambarish: http:// ?
08:38<ambarish>http://paste.debian.net/129352/
08:38<ompaul>thank you
08:38<__Alex_>Bravo!
08:38*SynrG gives ambarish a cookie
08:38<__Alex_>Now type "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt"
08:39<ambarish>i have done it
08:39<__Alex_>and then "sudo grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda"
08:39<SynrG>__Alex_: that's not generally a good thing to do (could obscure other mountpoints on /mnt)
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08:40<__Alex_>Most modern LiveCDs mount under /media ;)
08:40<CiccioPasticcio82>can something like this http://sourceforge.net/projects/mailbridge/ be installed using synaptic?
08:40*SynrG shrugs ... just saying
08:40<ambarish>ok then what to do now ?
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08:41<__Alex_>try rebooting and you should see the GRUB boot menu, however, windows is not gonna be there, once booted, you must type: "sudo update-grub", and all should me good
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08:41<petemc>assuming pinguy linux has update-grub
08:42<SynrG>CiccioPasticcio82: why would you want to install something that apparently hasn't had a new release in over 7 years?
08:42<ambarish>ok thanks
08:42<loni>russian!are you there?
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08:42<CiccioPasticcio82>don't know SynrG, anything better is available that could do similar things?
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08:43<__Alex_>Does it work, ambarish?
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08:43<SynrG>if it was useful 7 years ago, chances are someone has made something equivalent that is actually maintained, yes. but i'm not doing the research
08:44<ompaul>__Alex_: there's thanks for ya ;-)
08:44<ompaul>.coffee __Alex_
08:44<ompaul>,coffee __Alex_
08:44<__Alex_>He didn't yet repport success, we can't celebrate yet
08:44<CiccioPasticcio82>googling I arrived there.... but really don't know if anything new is available
08:44<ompaul>not in this channel
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08:46<ompaul>I've got to give up
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08:47<__Alex_>CiccioPasticcio82: You CAN download mailbridge, and compile it if you want.
08:47<__Alex_>You don't need to use APT
08:47<CiccioPasticcio82>__Alex_: do you mean by source?
08:48<__Alex_>(Yup, if you know Compiling of course)
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08:49<CiccioPasticcio82>not too much... what should I do? I just downloaded the source... ./configure - make & make install should do it?
08:49<__Alex_>Should.
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08:50<CiccioPasticcio82>ok trying, thank you Alex
08:50<__Alex_>s/Should./Correct
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08:51<SynrG>i still think it's suspicious that a) the software seems no longer maintained and b) it's not in debian ... the first thing i'd ask of such software is: "what's wrong with it?"
08:52<ompaul>SynrG: are you asking what security holes will it cause
08:52<CiccioPasticcio82>well, also there is no configure in the source
08:52<SynrG>is this not equivalent? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=httptunnel
08:52<__Alex_>CiccioPasticcio82: Try just "make", if there is a Makefile
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08:53<CiccioPasticcio82>it is strange... there is a subfolder src
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08:53<CiccioPasticcio82>but nothing inside... only a com subfolder... but no make and no configure
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08:53<SynrG>CiccioPasticcio82: so, is httptunnel not what you want?
08:53<CiccioPasticcio82>but there is a build.xml file...
08:54<__Alex_>CiccioPasticcio82: what happens, wehn you type "make" in the root directory of mailbridge?
08:54<__Alex_>"make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop." ??
08:54<CiccioPasticcio82>SynrG: I think httptunnel needs a server and a client... I don't need a tunnel, I just need to "tunnel" smtp through an http proxy
08:55<CiccioPasticcio82>root@c-max:/home/user/Desktop/MB# make
08:55<CiccioPasticcio82>make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
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08:55<__Alex_>._.
08:55<CiccioPasticcio82>only a build.xml file is there... don't know what that is for...
08:56<__Alex_>Maybe you need to compile that.
08:56<__Alex_>But what compiler does that? Hmmmm.
08:56<SynrG>CiccioPasticcio82: proxytunnel, then?
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09:00<CiccioPasticcio82>isn't proxytunnel a client+server solution? mailbridge seems to use a localhost server only and then send the email by means of php
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09:03<__Alex_>mailbridge is a client-server app too
09:03<__Alex_>Reasd the readme to it
09:03<__Alex_>s/Reasd/Read
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09:04<x3c>What does "Please enable the IOMMU option in the BIOS setup" mean?
09:04<x3c>it says that when i start debian
09:04<Ahyuwhiye>how can I see all running daemons?
09:05<x3c>And this "Your BIOS doesn't leave a aperture memory hole"
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09:05<ompaul>x3c: this is what is going on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOMMU
09:06<SynrG>maybe booting a pae kernel on a non-pae system?
09:06<x3c>ompaul, how do i enable it?
09:06<CiccioPasticcio82>__Alex_: but the server side goes on the apache server on localhost... so, client and server can be the same machine. is this possible also with proxytunnel?
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09:08<ompaul>x3c: that is your motherboard so when you start up go in and work it out in your bios - and however if what SynrG is right then change your kernel
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09:08<SynrG>in the bios, possibly in 'chipset' configuration
09:08<x3c>ompaul, SynrG: I dont understand... Isnt Linux the kernel?
09:08<SynrG>or some such
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09:09<SynrG>x3c: yes. the linux kernel comes in different flavours, though, which may or may not be right for your hardware
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09:09<SynrG>if you have very old hardware, it may not be supported in the kernel you're using
09:09<x3c>SynrG, its modern hardware
09:09<x3c>SynrG, but i think the version of debian is old
09:10<SynrG>how old?
09:10<ompaul>x3c: what does uname -r say
09:10<SynrG>ompaul: if he can't boot, i doubt if he can get that info :)
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09:11<x3c>its 'Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64
09:12<ompaul>SynrG: he is booting and getting that error message on start
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09:12<SynrG>oh, so it's a successful boot. ok
09:13<ompaul>x3c: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep main and tell me what word is there on all lines lenny?
09:13<ompaul>,versions kernel
09:13<judd>Sorry, no package named 'kernel' was found in i386.
09:13<ompaul>,versions linux-image
09:13<judd>Sorry, no package named 'linux-image' was found in i386.
09:13<ompaul>damn
09:13<ompaul>anyone got a working brain
09:14<SynrG>,versions linux-image-2.6-amd64
09:14<judd>Package linux-image-2.6-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 2.6.39+35.1~bpo60+1; sid: 3.0.0+39; wheezy: 3.0.0+39
09:14<ompaul>thanks
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09:14<ompaul>x3c: you have what is called oldstable
09:15<x3c>ompaul, now it works but i must click on "single user mode" in grub
09:15<SynrG>what changed recently with this system? did it not work before?
09:15<ompaul>x3c: did you change the kernel?
09:15<x3c>ompaul, no.. i clicked on "single user mode" in GRUB, the boot loader .. now im in debian
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09:16<x3c>i think its the same kernel
09:16<ompaul>x3c: "think" not a great answer
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09:16<x3c>ompaul, it was the same "version" 2.6.26-2-amd64
09:17<ompaul>x3c: look in here /var/log/apt and do this >> less history.log << then go to the end and see when the kernel was last updated - I have to dine back later
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09:18<x3c>ompaul, "history.log: No syuch file or directory"
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09:19<SynrG>before we go much further, is there a very good reason to stay with lenny on this system?
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09:21<x3c>SynrG, i could not install squeeze...
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09:26<opalepatrick>Anyone have any idea how to connect to a router so I can change the settings? This is not for my current connection. I have attached with cable, browsed to default ip and tried telnet but the address appears unknown.
09:27<ompaul>x3c: why not?
09:28<x3c>ompaul, when i try to install squeeze i get stuck at "Detect network hardware" screen ...
09:28<x3c>ompaul, and nothing happens
09:29<ompaul>x3c: how old is the computer?
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09:29<x3c>ompaul, its from 2010 may
09:29<ompaul>make and model?
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09:31<ompaul>x3c: make and model?
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09:32<x3c>ompaul, model? i have bulit it myself, its AMD Phenom II X4 945
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09:32<x3c>and motherboard gigabyte
09:32<ompaul>motherboard number?
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09:33<x3c>790XT Gigabyte
09:33<x3c>790XTA-UD4 Gigabyte*
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09:35<ompaul>x3c: I suggest you get someone to help you reconfigure the bios it seems to be the core of your problem then try to install squeeze
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09:36<ompaul>x3c: there might be an automatic / default that might be better than the current settings which would be worth your while to give it a twirl
09:37<x3c>ompaul, whre can i find it?
09:37<ompaul>x3c: it is not a debian setting it is the system that flashes on screen before you boot up
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09:37<ompaul>most likely accessed by F2
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09:39<x3c>ompaul, in the BIOS?
09:39<ompaul>y e s
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09:41<x3c>ompaul, im in bios now... but isnt it a network failure or something if i get stuck at "detect network hardware" when trying to install squeeze?
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09:42<ompaul>x3c: you can't even run lenny so it is very broken
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09:42<ompaul>x3c: this indicates the problem is not Debian in my book, it is "pre debian" i.e. the hardware layer
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09:44<x3c>ompaul, i am able to install other operating systems.. but not squeeze...
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09:44<x3c>ompaul, Ubuntu and Debian i cant install ... Ubuntu says that siomething is wrong with IO and Debian Squeeze i get stuck at the network screen
09:44<ompaul>x3c: you just said you went into single user mode on lenny, this is not a working install, which is why I said what I said
09:45<x3c>ok
09:45<ompaul>x3c: I'm telling you where I think the problem lies
09:45<ompaul>x3c: if you have access to lots of good information and I have to extract it from you like a dentist would teeth it becomes very annoying for me
09:46<ompaul>x3c: is there something that would tell me otherwise?
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09:50<ompaul>x3c: are you trying to use netinstall?
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09:50<x3c>ompaul, yes
09:50<ompaul>x3c: please do this
09:50<ompaul> download this file http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb put it on your usb stick - install - when done reboot, log in, plug the stick in, copy file to desktop, open terminal run command without >> su - << when you are root type >> cd Desktop << >>> dpkg -i firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb <<< all the bits between >> << are commands that is all you need
09:51<ompaul>x3c: get yourself another usb stick do this
09:51<ompaul>x3c: download squeeze the full cd on it,
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09:52<ompaul>x3c: then put it on another stick - that should sort out problems else get another network card and stick it on the board :)
09:52<dvs>x3c: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/
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09:53<ompaul>x3c: or that
09:54<babilen>x3c: Indeed, just use the (semi-) unofficial firmware images. You can also provide the firmware during the installation (/msg dpkg installer firmware), but ompaul's method is known to work.
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09:55<ompaul>x3c: it is a suggestion and might get you off the ground
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09:57<bryan>hello
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09:58<Guest9844>is there someone who know s how to configure shrew vpn on ubuntu
09:58<MrFrood>!ubuntu
09:58<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
09:59<Guest9844>ok
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10:33<danielsh>upgrade-from-grub-legacy gives me three choices where to install grub: /dev/sda, /dev/sda1(/boot), /dev/dm-0(LVM root partition). How do I know which ones to choose ?
10:33<danielsh>is it safe to choose the ones where 'file - < /dev/foo' says grub is already installed to ?
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10:35<daemonkeeper>danielsh: Typically you want to install grub to the MBR, thus /dev/sdsa
10:35<daemonkeeper>/dev/sda
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10:37<danielsh>daemonkeeper: thanks,
10:37<danielsh>that's consistent with what 'file' reports. (and the first half KB of sda1 and dm-0 are both all-zero...)
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10:40*danielsh rebooting
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10:42<danielsh>daemonkeeper: seems to have worked, thanks again
10:43<daemonkeeper>Welcome
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10:51<john>can't connect to wireless....
10:52<daemonkeeper>Don't be too verbose
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11:21<SeriousSam_>Hi there! How can I make bridge between two conncetions in ConnectionManager in Debian Squeeze?
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11:26<SeriousSam_>Guys, does an opportunity of bridging exist in NetworkManager in Debain?
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11:35<sney>SeriousSam_: any more complex networking should be done with interfaces
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11:36<SeriousSam_>sney: Do you mean in console?
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11:36<sney>well, it's a text file that stores networking configurations. you can edit it with whatever you want
11:36<sney>!interfaces
11:36<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>.
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11:37<SeriousSam_>sney: Thanks
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11:39<SeriousSam_>I read in the manual tha I need to install bridge-utils. Can I do bridge without bridge-utils?
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11:42<sney>most likely not
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11:46<SeriousSam_>sney: Thanks for answers
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11:47<sney>I haven't done any bridging in years. I don't know if n-m can manage a bridge, but even if it can I'd still use interfaces
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11:58<SeriousSam_>sney: Thanks, but it is very strange that there is no this opportunity in GUI. Because Linux always has better networking opportunities than Windows, but in Windows bridging can be done very easy in GUI. I was surpised.
11:58<sney>like I said, maybe it can be done in n-m. I don't know. But interfaces is still better.
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11:59<sney>typically the linux users who use the gui for everything and the linux users who want to do anything more than basic networking are completely separate groups of people
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11:59<SeriousSam_>sney: Ok, I can't find it in GUI. And people on forums too.
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12:01<weasel>SeriousSam_: that doesn't really surprise me.
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12:08<vichy>Hi
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12:08<jschumann>hi how can i create a php package that is configured with —with-mysqlnd which can somehow made compatibe to standard debian packages like php-gd etc
12:08<jschumann>can anybody help me?
12:08<jschumann>or where can i ask this question?
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12:10<sney>!package recompile
12:10<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <apt-get source>.
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12:10<sney>debian/rules is how you change the compilation options
12:10<sney>more advanced packaging questions can go to #debian-mentors
12:11<jschumann>thx!
12:11<jschumann>i´ll give it a try.
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12:11<fbs>is there a way to monitor which packages are installed on a debian install?
12:12<daemonkeeper>dpkg -l?
12:12<dpkg>daemonkeeper: I give up, what is it?
12:12<OpenTokix>fbs: monitor how? you mean get a list or you want like a warning is something new is added?
12:13<fbs>OpenTokix: i want to use it to sync 2 pcs, but i just figured out that i could use /var/log/aptitude
12:13<sney>!aptitude clone
12:13<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
12:13<OpenTokix>fbs: wonderful
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12:14<fbs>sney: both systems have some specific packages that i dont want on the other, like laptop stuff.
12:15<fbs>OpenTokix: wonderful indeed
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12:16<iceowl>anyone awake?
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12:18<iceowl>I'm looking for a bit of help with installation over wireless network...
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12:20<chealer>iceowl: just ask your question.
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12:20<cervellato88>ciao
12:21<iceowl>the installer detects my wireless card after installing the firmware, an Intel ProSET interface, but fails to turn the interface on
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12:21<iceowl>how do I turn it on?
12:22<iceowl>ifconfig seems to be absent if I drop to a command line
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12:29<antonio>giorno
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12:30<pippo>salve raga vorrei chiedere un info... oggi ho installato debian 6 e tengo kde come desktop grafico ho installato firefox 5 ma non parte proprio perchè ?
12:30<pippo>da che dipende ?
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12:30<pippo>a qualcuno capita c'ho ?
12:30<daemonkeeper>!it
12:30<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
12:31<iceowl>hmm.. I think I might have solved it, but we'll see.. I'll probably be back in a bit :P
12:32<pippo>how do you solved it ?
12:32<nyov>iceowl: if ifconfig is missing, you're maybe not root. but you can use 'ip a' as user
12:33<nyov>hmm I think ip is also avail in the installer
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12:37<pippo>i can installed alsa-driver but i have the following error checking for directory with kernel source... Please install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution
12:37<pippo>or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel
12:37<pippo>sources (default is /usr/src/linux).
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12:46<Guest9854>What music player would you recommend for LXDE, looking for something that doesn't require a bunch of gnome or kde stuff
12:46<nyov>mpd
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12:47<amphi_>moc is nice, if your happy with a console program
12:47<amphi_>er, you're
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12:47<amphi>verdammt tail
12:48<nyov>i like ncmpcpp frontend to mpd
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12:49<Guest9854>would gmusicbrowser pull in a lot of gnome stuff? I used it before and really liked it
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12:49<nyov>oh right, you didn't ask for a terminal app. sorry.
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12:55<babilen>+1 for ncmpcpp
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12:58<Guest9854>I decided to check out DeaDBeeF it seems lightweight and pretty good
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13:20<iceowl>pippo: I just skipped the wireless setup step figuring I can do it later once I have a GUI going
13:21<iceowl>which worked, for the most part. turns out doing console-based install means you don't automatically get a GUI when you reboot :P
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13:23<zsolt>hello.I would like to change splash image,but can't find any options in the startupmanager.need some advice.thank you
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13:27<zsolt>why in debian splash image selector is disabled?
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13:38<prahal>zsolt: grub2
13:38<prahal>wher eis there a splash pmanager selector ?
13:38<prahal>hum : where is there a splash manager selector
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13:39<zsolt>normally it would be in the system-administration startup manager
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13:41<zsolt>i installed correctly,there aren't any dependencies
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13:41<prahal>system-administration startup manager ... kde ?
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13:42<prahal>either way I believe if it is disabled it is because this tool does not support grub2 . grub2 can be tweaked anyway
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13:45<prahal>I belive you can set GRUB_BACKGROUND="/path/imagefile" in /etc/default/grub then run update-grub . You can check that it is used in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
13:46<prahal>at least the debian script for grub attempt to read this variable in /etc/grub.d/05_debian_themes
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13:52<MarcoDiMarco>hi
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13:53<MarcoDiMarco>question, my apt-get isnt able to resolve the kernel.org repo, as well as the debian.org dutch mirror. anyone here who knows whats happening with the mirrors ?
13:53<daemonkeeper>Doom comes over us
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13:54<prahal>:/ well kernel.org is under check after an attack
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13:54<prahal>in august . The dutch mirror who knows
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13:55<MarcoDiMarco>prahal, wow i think i havent used the repo for some time then
13:55<prahal>may be down for maintenance. A hard drive broke or else
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13:55<MarcoDiMarco>okey then ill try a UK mirror or something
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13:56<prahal>you might have more than a mirror in your country
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13:57<MarcoDiMarco>i only see 1 listed un the netherlands
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13:58<MarcoDiMarco>prahal, thank you for your time ;)
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13:59<prahal>http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
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13:59<MarcoDiMarco>prahal, thats the same list im currently viewing. ive got a fantastic uplink with the uk server so i configured that
14:00<prahal>ok . I saw more than one in secondary mirrors that s why I pasted it
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14:00<MarcoDiMarco>ow yeah ur right!
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14:00<MarcoDiMarco>ill go and try those as well
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14:04<nardev>hello
14:05<nardev>ist there a way to show memory in Mb's or Gb's in top
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14:09<cybersphinx_>nardev: Use htop?
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14:10<nardev>cybersphinx_, THNX
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14:12<nardev>cybersphinx_, thank you very much
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14:13<prahal>cybersphinx_: htop looks indeed great . There is even a "t" switch for treeview .
14:13<prahal>I switch :)
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14:50<luichi>hello
14:50<luichi>suspend doesn't use swap but hibernate yes is that correct?
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14:56<linuxthefish>how do i create a numbered backup with cp?
14:56<linuxthefish>like cp ./file ./backup/file1
14:56<linuxthefish>like cp ./file ./backup/file2
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15:00<dharc>what happens to telepathy-butterfly that it stops?
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15:01<__Alex_>May i ask? When i have an encrypted disk, files are larger?
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15:02<amitz>__Alex_: logicallly, usually.
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15:04<lindi->__Alex_: what kind of encrypted disk?
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15:05<__Alex_>IDK, i just used the partitioner's defaults
15:05<__Alex_>DI-partman
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15:07<dharc>what happens to telepathy-butterfly that it stops?
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15:09<Aqua23>hi
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15:30<Lbebusiness1>anyone on?
15:30<Lbebusiness1>?
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15:30<Black_Prince>dpkg, anyone
15:30<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
15:31<Lbebusiness1>lmao
15:31<Lbebusiness1>I would like to know if anyone knows of a irc channel that has ACTIVE users. I have a custom kernel question.
15:32<Lbebusiness1>Unless this is the correct channel to ask about custom kernels
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15:33<nyov>lmao
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15:34<nyov>you still didn't ask your real question, Lbebusiness1 :P
15:35<nyov>if it's a question about custom kernels on a debian system, this should be the correct channel
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15:36<Lbebusiness1>Very well. I have compiled my own stripped down version of 3.0.4, nothing fancy, just took EVERYTHING out that wasn't needed. And for the most part built-in every driver I do have. This kernel will not boot on its own, unless I use safemode and use the failsafe graphics option.
15:36<Bushmills>well, his question was about a channel on irc. how that relates to a kernel question is anyone's guess
15:37<Lbebusiness1>I have a nvidia chipset. I tried compiling with and without the chipset enabled.
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15:37<Bushmills>"took out anything not needed" and "will not boot" sounds like "took out too much"
15:37<Lbebusiness1>When I compiled it without the nvidia drivers, I enabled the basic vesa drivers. No combination seems to let me boot.
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15:38<Lbebusiness1>(uh, it works fine, it just needs to be booted in low-level graphics mode)
15:39<Lbebusiness1>I pressed help on every kernel option, and researched anything I didnt know, and If I still didnt understand it, I left it alone.
15:39<nyov>hmm. not easy to hazard a guess there
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15:40<Lbebusiness1>I'm pretty sure its just my graphics options. I would prefer to have the nvidia drivers built in to the kernel. (I am able to get onto my desktop and everything, its just a nasty work around)
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15:42<Lbebusiness1>So...
15:43<Lbebusiness1>This was the wrong room to ask wasn't it.
15:43<Lbebusiness1>Does anyone know a more kernel specific IRC room that has active users?
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15:46<chealer>Lbebusiness1: yes
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15:47<mix22891>oh yea
15:48<mix22891>mpaul
15:48<mix22891>you have forgot to tell me about...
15:48<mix22891>the admin access!
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15:49<nyov>what are you talking about
15:49<matius>hi
15:49<matius>i have a problem with wireless, can anyone help me? ;D
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15:50<mix22891>i have tryed to connect to the internet trough debian,but
15:50<nyov>matius: tell us the problem, maybe then.
15:50<matius>black_prince, did you remember me? xD
15:50<matius>so...
15:50<mix22891>i didn't was have the admin access
15:50<matius>i can`t
15:50<matius>connect with router
15:50<ManuelCalavera>Hey people, i have a small problem. I want to remove one of the keyboard layouts that debian has as an default, but unfortunately the keyboard layout that I want to remove is the one that appears on the login screen on startup. So this keyboard layout keeps coming back. How can I change the keyboard layout on the startup screen?
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15:51<mix22891>now i'm under ubuntu :(
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15:51<mix22891>cuz i havent got the admin access
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15:51<mix22891>i'm so sad
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15:52<nyov>mix22891: you mean, you didn't remember your root password?
15:52<matius>i can`t connect to my router, which is working under windows :p
15:52<mix22891>no, i didn't know how to login as a ROOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:52<mix22891>that so shit
15:52<matius>write su <password>
15:52<nyov>mix22891: type 'su -' in a terminal
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15:53<mix22891>nvm, i'm under ubuntu
15:53<matius>ok, let's help me! :D
15:53<mix22891>let's,NOT
15:53<matius>how can i connect to my router? :D
15:54<mix22891>i want to know hacking
15:54<nyov>depends on the router?
15:54<mix22891>whitehat
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15:54<matius>router is working! xd
15:54<nyov>ManuelCalavera: what startup screen ?
15:55<mix22891>ok'
15:55<linuxthefish>20:56 < linuxthefish> how do i create a numbered backup with cp?
15:55<linuxthefish>20:56 < linuxthefish> like cp ./file ./backup/file1
15:55<linuxthefish>20:56 < linuxthefish> like cp ./file ./backup/file2
15:55*mix22891 let's go
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15:55<matius>but my wireless isn't configured or something :P i reinstall my debian and i have the same problem which I have on the beginning :D
15:55<ompaul>mix22891: that has the command in there so you did it wrong [Sunday 11 September 2011] [10:04:28] <ompaul> mix22891: download this file http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb put it o
15:55<mix22891>no
15:55<mix22891>i'n not
15:56<mix22891>access dnided
15:56<ManuelCalavera>nyov, i mean the login screen
15:56<nyov>KDE, Gnome, ...? what login screen?
15:56<mix22891>i did all what have you sayed,but you have forgot to tell me how to login as a root
15:57<mix22891>i have broke my head
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15:57<mix22891>why sudo -i didn't work?
15:57<ManuelCalavera>nyov, GNOME and by login screeen I mean where you put your username and password...
15:57<ompaul>mix22891: that has the command in there so you did it wrong [Sunday 11 September 2011] [10:04:28] <ompaul> mix22891: download this file http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb put it o
15:57<ompaul>bah
15:58<Black_Prince>mix22891, sudo isn't configured by default in debian ...
15:58<Black_Prince>dpkg, sudo
15:58<dpkg>[sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html
15:58<Black_Prince>matius, what was your wireless card again? paste lspci -nn into pastebin
15:58<ompaul>mix22891: I Told you to USE su - see here good luck with that saying I didnt http://paste.debian.net/129442/
15:58<mix22891>i have saved your txt, moment please
15:59<matius>hi black prince :D
15:59<mix22891>he write to me that i have no promission
15:59<matius>can you help me?
15:59<ompaul>mix22891: you said you were printing the instruction fail
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16:00<matius>did you remember me? ;p i had problem with pulse audio and wireless, and i have this second one now :p
16:00<mix22891>i have saved it on the USB stick
16:00<mix22891>download this file http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb put it on your usb stick - install - when done reboot, log in, plug the stick in, copy file to desktop, open terminal run command without >> su - << when you are root type >> cd Desktop << >>> dpkg -i firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb <<<
16:00<mix22891>download-did
16:00<mix22891>did,
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16:00<ompaul>su - when you are root see that part CLUE
16:01<nyov>ManuelCalavera: try 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' in a root term, remove what you don't want.
16:01<matius>mix, you doesn`t remember your root password? ;p
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16:01<Black_Prince>matius, it's hard to remember everyone who passes through this channel. I can't remember your wireless card model. lspci -nn | grep -i net could be helpful
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16:01<mix22891>i didn't know how to get in as a root trough the terminal
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16:02<lindi->nyov: locales is not related to keyboard layouts however?
16:02<matius>00:00.0 0600: 8086:2a40 (rev 07)
16:02<matius>00:01.0 0604: 8086:2a41 (rev 07)
16:02<matius>00:1a.0 0c03: 8086:2937 (rev 03)
16:02<matius>00:1a.1 0c03: 8086:2938 (rev 03)
16:02<matius>00:1a.7 0c03: 8086:293c (rev 03)
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16:02<mix22891>passwd -(idon'tremember) username password
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16:03<nyov>lindi-: uh. my bad. I only googled for gdm. did come up with the wrong stuff
16:03<ompaul>you set the password - if you don't know it hard luck
16:03<Black_Prince>keyboard-configuration handles keyboard.
16:03<lindi->ManuelCalavera: gdm3?
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16:04<mix22891>nvm, i'll stay under ubuntu
16:05<mix22891>and i'll learn more of linux system
16:05<mix22891>about
16:05<matius>sorry, i`m back ;p lspci -n is: http://paste.debian.net/129444/
16:05<ompaul>mix22891: thank you for sharing, #ubuntu is on irc.freenode.net
16:06<Black_Prince>matius, I asked for lspci -nn (2 n's)
16:06<mix22891>but, debain it's for profesionals
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16:06<mix22891>ubuntu is for biggeners
16:06<mix22891>and i'm not
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16:06<matius>http://paste.debian.net/129445/
16:06<ompaul>mix22891: you are making a lot of noise for no good reasno
16:06<ompaul>reason even
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16:07<matius>and? ;p
16:07<ManuelCalavera>lindi-, yes
16:08<nyov>ManuelCalavera: changing your layout in '/etc/default/keyboard' helps, according to google.
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16:08<nyov>but maybe there's a better solution
16:08<Black_Prince>matius, install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer (internet connection required)
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16:09<matius>ok, I did it
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16:10<Ahyuwhiye>is this http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/pkgsrc/net/libfetch/ in the testing repos ?
16:10<Ahyuwhiye>I cannot find it
16:10<Ahyuwhiye>please help
16:10<matius>I install it, so i must restart computer? ;p
16:11<matius>so must i restart computer? xD
16:12<ompaul>Ahyuwhiye: what does it do?
16:12<Ahyuwhiye>a library for downloading from ftp/http
16:13<ompaul>Ahyuwhiye: check out curl
16:13<Ahyuwhiye>I am aware of libdownload
16:13<Ahyuwhiye>ompaul: I need libfetch
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16:13<ompaul>so port it
16:13<Ahyuwhiye>...
16:13<Ahyuwhiye>i am no rocket scientist
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16:14<Ahyuwhiye>but I guess i have to become one
16:14<nyov>ansgar: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libdownload1
16:14<Ahyuwhiye>I am aware of libdownload
16:14<Ahyuwhiye>another damn fork
16:14<nyov>ansgar, sorry
16:14<ompaul>then use something local - libcurl
16:15<ompaul>Ahyuwhiye: ^^
16:15<Ahyuwhiye>I need libfetch....
16:15<ompaul>Ahyuwhiye: to paraphrase jordan hubbard "you have the interest, you appear to have the requirement, I guess you got the job"
16:16<nyov>then package it for debian. apparently it's there for Arch. http://pkgs.org/download/libfetch
16:16<ManuelCalavera>nyov, yap, that it. Do you know what's the option to put on xkblayout have the layout for USA with euro sign ? I am looking on the internet but I can see to find it...
16:16<Ahyuwhiye>this isn t a cousin of that scientology fag?
16:16<matius>ok, I did it! wireless is working ;D i write ifconfig wlan0 up in my terminal, thanks everyone, see you! :***
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16:16<Ahyuwhiye>nyov: o what wonder i do use archlinux
16:17<ompaul>Ahyuwhiye: na, he was the pres of the free bsd project for years - used to wind people up saying he was l rons son and stuff
16:17<Ahyuwhiye>nyov: cool
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16:17<Ahyuwhiye>well I guess I have to alien -d libfetch
16:17<Ahyuwhiye>thanks for the support
16:17<ompaul>Ahyuwhiye: danger alien is a bad idea most days
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16:18<Ahyuwhiye>ompaul: hopefully it is
16:18<ompaul>!ssb
16:18<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
16:18<Ahyuwhiye>i am just using debian on some poor rescue system
16:18<Ahyuwhiye>
16:18<Ahyuwhiye>byebye
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16:18<ompaul>Ahyuwhiye: then use rsync silly going that fast
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16:19<iceowl>ok, that didn't really work.. does anyone know how to turn on a wireless interface in setup?
16:19<iceowl>since ifconfig and iwconfig seem to be totally absent.. which seems strange, for a network install disc
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16:21<nyov>ManuelCalavera: maybe that helps (should be similar on debian) http://linuxsysconfig.com/2011/05/euro-key-support-on-us-keyboards/
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16:29<iceowl>and it seems this chicken and egg problem is two years old, according to LinuxQuestions.org
16:30<iceowl>and the trollish response to the problem was "If I don't have a wireless card, why would I want iwconfig?" *headdesk*
16:31<ompaul>iceowl: you most likely don't have your needed firmware eh?
16:31<iceowl>no, the firmware loads fine, the netcard is detected
16:32<ompaul>so then the chicken answer is get wired get sorted and then sort it out later
16:32<iceowl>but it seems to the tools to make a network interface work (ifconfig, iwconfig) seem to be absent on the netinst install disc
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16:32<ompaul>iceowl: the installer is not a user distro it is an installer
16:33<iceowl>uh huh.
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16:33<iceowl>it is a netinst installer.. so my understand is that it should work with network hardware.
16:33<nyov>iceowl: d-i has a load of modules to fetch on the fly, maybe there is one that can help you?
16:33<ompaul>it does not always do things the way you expect have fun reading the code in the debian install
16:34<ompaul>iceowl: maybe this just maybe http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/
16:34<iceowl>it does not make sense to me why, in 2011, we still have these kinds of problems.
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16:35<nyov>because wireless is evil
16:35<ompaul>iceowl: see what nyov said
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16:35<iceowl>ompaul: and that will include iwconfig and ifconfig?
16:36<ompaul>iceowl: read the source for the DI - if you want those things go get yourself debian live cd
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16:36<ompaul>iceowl: no you can't do things it does them
16:36<ysonoko>anyone know how to purge all any changes made after fresh install?
16:37<ysonoko>besides repartition and clean install?
16:37<iceowl>ompaul: and I can install from the live cd?
16:37<ompaul>iceowl: don't know never tried
16:37<nyov>iceowl: libiw30-udeb? http://geofft.mit.edu/blog/post/109
16:37<iceowl>with ifconfig an iwconfig present?
16:37<Bushmills>ysonoko: how about, restore from backup?
16:37<ysonoko>i have not made a backup
16:38<Bushmills>why not?
16:38<ysonoko>does debian make one by default somewhere?
16:38<ompaul>iceowl: you have been given the community options, you can at your choice refuse our advice
16:38<ysonoko>i am just experimenting with linux right now
16:38<iceowl>ompaul: I'm just not understand why such a simple thing needs to be so complicated.
16:38<Bushmills>especially then, when expermenting, backups may be very advisable :)
16:39<ysonoko>i meant
16:39<ysonoko>im trying it out for the first time
16:39<ompaul>iceowl: 99% of the time it isn't so I have given you my advice including the netinstall with extra firmware have a nice day without me :)
16:39<ysonoko>ive had to re-install a few times now
16:39<Bushmills>why?
16:39<iceowl>it's kind of mindboggling to make an installation disc that is meant for network installation, and then not include the appropriate tools to install the system over a network.
16:39<ysonoko>just looking for a way to revert without making backups or re-installing
16:40<Bushmills>undo your changes. you know what you've changed, right?
16:40<ompaul>iceowl: you want to install over a network that is different to a netinstall do you know that?
16:40<ysonoko>mostly stuff related to sound
16:40<ysonoko>but there again
16:40<ysonoko>i don't really know my way around linux that well yet
16:40<ompaul>iceowl: that is covered here http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#netboot
16:40<iceowl>ompaul: I think you're being difficult for the sake of being difficult, just as debian seems to be doing with me.
16:40<Bushmills>so why reinstall? just continue to use it
16:41<ysonoko>i keep messing it up to wherre it will not even boot
16:41<ysonoko>trying to get the sound card working properly
16:41<Bushmills>log in as user, not as root. experiment then.
16:41<ysonoko>and the HDMI/VGA video out also
16:41<ompaul>iceowl: now you can install on a connected machine, or you can install over a network to a machine which wakes up and knows nothing
16:42<iceowl>no, I don't want a netboot system. I want to install debian with packages downloaded from the internet, instead of downloading 10 DVDs.
16:42<ysonoko>i am logged in as user, i think. How do i find out?
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16:42<iceowl>I have a wireless network.
16:42<Bushmills>you're not likely to be able to mess up ypur system to the extent that it can't boot as user
16:42<ompaul>iceowl: this maybe just this will help you either do it or don't::::: iceowl: maybe this just maybe http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/
16:43<ompaul>iceowl: and it will ask you if you want to set up the network manually or not
16:43<Bushmills>deleting and recreating that user is about all you'd need for a fresh start then
16:43<ysonoko>keep getting all sorts of errors on boot. Last boot it halted on some kind of error. I had to reboot again.
16:43<ysonoko>oh
16:43<Bushmills>but user won't be allowed to mess with sound card or video driver
16:43<ysonoko>well theres my problem i guess
16:43<ysonoko>why nothing has worked
16:44<ysonoko>lolz
16:44<iceowl>ompaul: and that will include tools to make my wireless interface work? the firmware from the netinst installer works fine. the card is detected. my problem is that I can't set up the interface to communicate with my network because it is not turned on.
16:44<ysonoko>even if i do it from the terminal as sudo?
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16:44<Bushmills>why sudo?
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16:44<ysonoko>that makes it root i thought?
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16:44<iceowl>where I would normally use iwconfig and ifconfig to set that up, those tools are not present at all.
16:44<ompaul>iceowl: well turn the thing on then eh?
16:44<Bushmills>who told you about sudo, and didn't tell you about su?
16:45<ompaul>iceowl: if that is not what you want get a full cd just number 1 and install it
16:45<iceowl>yes, I need ifconfig to do that. ifconfig isn't there.
16:45<ysonoko>oh yea, thats what i meant, i use su
16:45<Bushmills>after all, for sudo you need to do extra installation and configuration. for su you don't
16:45<nyov>iceowl, are you using expert install?
16:45<ompaul>iceowl: you can then set up an install and visit your options later
16:45<ysonoko>like... su password: XXXX root:
16:45<iceowl>nyov: no, tried that, it did the same thing
16:46<Bushmills>beats me always wh< people just doing their first steps in linux already know they need to use sudo
16:46<ompaul>iceowl: confirm this - you have a netinst cd you are using?
16:46<iceowl>ompaul: yes.
16:46<ompaul>Bushmills: that would be planet ubuntu
16:46<ompaul>iceowl: you can't get from there to where you want to
16:46<nyov>iceowl: it should have an option to load additional modules. probably depends on your installer image how much selection there is. the iso-cd should have iwconfig
16:46<Bushmills>and they even seem to have managed to configure it :)
16:47<ompaul>iceowl: go get yourself the first install CD and sort it out on reboot
16:47<ompaul>when you will have those things in place
16:47<ysonoko>i think... You may have answered a big question for me
16:47<iceowl>I'll try that, hopefully it will be a little bit less braindead than netinst :P
16:47<ysonoko>The reg linux with debian is run as root, this one as user
16:47<ompaul>iceowl: netinst is for network connected boxes
16:47<ysonoko>maybe that is why the hardware cant be changed here and it works over there
16:47<ompaul>it gets its packages from the net in an install
16:48<iceowl>ompaul: apparently not, as it contains no network interface tools.
16:48<iceowl>even if I tried to do a wired install, *there is no ifconfig*
16:48<Bushmills>ysonoko: a user has no permissions to make use of audio unless that permission was granted to him
16:48<MrFrood>iceowl: many of us here have used the net install quite sucsessfully
16:48<ysonoko>when i use the "apt-get update", do i need to do anything to apply the updates, or does that apply them?
16:49<iceowl>I'm sure you have
16:49<iceowl>I don't understand how
16:49<ompaul>iceowl: I used it on 7 boxes in the last month for stable and testing no problems :)
16:49<Bushmills>so what did you do to grant permission to use audio to that user?
16:49<ompaul>iceowl: cos you have an idea in your head which is eh to put it politely Wrong!
16:49<ysonoko>i dont know, or even how to
16:49<MrFrood>ysonoko: it applies them or gives you an error message
16:50<Bushmills>and from that not knowing, you manage to render your system unbootable?
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16:50<ysonoko>do you have to run as root for them to apply, or can a user update?
16:50<Bushmills>maybe reading beats reinstalling?
16:51<Bushmills>a user can't give give himself permission to use audio. root has to grant that
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16:51<MrFrood>ysonoko: su -c "aptitude update" and then su -c "aptitude safe-upgrade"
16:51<Bushmills>or you'd have all kind of users on your system suddenly letting your machine make strange noises
16:51<MrFrood>or apt equivalents
16:51<iceowl>ompaul: ok, so the first complete CD or DVD image should do what I want?
16:52<iceowl>and that's all?
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16:52<ysonoko>how do i destroy all the user accounts and run as root?
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16:52<MrFrood>ysonoko: that's a very bad idea
16:52<ompaul>iceowl: from what I understand of what you have said, and it is simply this. You have a machine which is without a network connection, you want to set manually some variables later.
16:52<Black_Prince>ysonoko, you don't want to do that.
16:52<Bushmills>you'd run as user almost all the time
16:52<ysonoko>how come?
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16:53<Bushmills>you become root only temporarily for system admiinistration
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16:53<ompaul>iceowl: that will let you do it, the installer on the other hand gets packages onto your machine and does some smoke and mirrors to pretend to be a distro.
16:53<ompaul>iceowl: get the first CD it should ok
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16:54<lindi->iceowl: do you want a desktop system?
16:54<lindi->iceowl: with gnome and all that?
16:54<ompaul>ysonoko: that is just wrong headed don't even think like that ever again.
16:55<iceowl>my intention was to spend as little timepossible downloading optical disc images, and just have it mostly install from the internet. My laptop has a wireless card and a wired card, but is too incapacitated for me to move it to where the router is, and it would be silly to rearrange all of my equipment just to install an OS.
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16:55<iceowl>lindi-: more or less, yes
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16:55<iceowl>I just want something marginally functional, with a nice GUI
16:56<iceowl>and I don't have any cat5 long enough to reach the router :P
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16:57<iceowl>I'm just going to torrent the first CD and see what happens.
16:57<MrFrood>ysonoko: running only as root totally bypasses most of the features of the *nix security model
16:57<ysonoko>so less security
16:57<ompaul>ysonoko: not less NONE
16:57<ysonoko>i understand that part, ok
16:57<MrFrood>lot less security
16:57<ompaul>close to none
16:58<ompaul>hi I can has remote access k tnx bye
16:58<ysonoko>So how do i give myself permision to access and control my hardware in user mode?
16:58<Bushmills>you can do things like rendering your system unbootable as root
16:58<iceowl>you don't want to just run your system with a root account unless you have a very good reason to do that
16:58<ompaul>then you will know that your reason is wrong
16:59<MrFrood>ysonoko: use either "su -c" or "sudo"
16:59*ompaul shoots sudo in the back of the head
16:59<iceowl>or just login as root in a vterm :P
16:59<MrFrood>+1 ompaul
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17:01<ysonoko>"su -c" needs argument
17:01<ysonoko>did i mention im really new to linux yet? XD
17:01<Bushmills>su does have a man page, you know?
17:01<babilen>ysonoko: If you want to temporarily become root, run "sudo -i" or "su -" ... The former takes your user's password and the latter the root pwd
17:02<ysonoko>hmm
17:02<Bushmills>are you aware of existence of man pages, or their purpose?
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17:02<ysonoko>manual?
17:02-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*zz@*.adsl.inetia.pl] by babilen
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17:03<ysonoko>yes, im not a simpleton, just rather talk to humans than sift through text.
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17:03<MrFrood>ysonoko: also you couldd add your user to the "staff" group
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17:03<Bushmills>people may tire of having to type what has already been written
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17:04<lindi->iceowl: CD1 is not enough for installing a sane gnome desktop system
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17:04<MrFrood>ysonoko: man pages tend to be short and to the point
17:04<lindi->iceowl: DVD1 might be enough but I can only recommend netinst
17:05<lindi->ompaul: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2011/08/msg00349.html
17:06<iceowl>lindi-: if you and I were in the same room right now, I think I would laugh hysterically until you became uncomfortable and left.
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17:06<lindi->iceowl: hmm?
17:07<iceowl>lindi-: the past half hour, I have been tearing my hair out trying to get a straight answer about how to install debian over the internet. netinst does not support wireless cards.
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17:07<lindi->iceowl: yes I know
17:07<iceowl>not only that, it does not even include ifconfig
17:08<iceowl>I have a wireless card.
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17:08<lindi->iceowl: yes the situation is not very good
17:08<iceowl>it is the only way Debian is getting installed.
17:08<lindi->iceowl: there are workarounds but they are not so ready that I would recommend them yet
17:08<iceowl>or I'm going to drop any attempt to install linux for several more months and hope that things have become slightly less braindead by then.
17:09<Black_Prince>+2 ompaul for sudo comment :P
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17:09<iceowl>because the latest version of Ubuntu sucks
17:09<lindi->iceowl: anyways, maybe DVD1 is enough?
17:09<iceowl>and I hate pretty much all of the other distros except Slackware, which I just don't feel like dealing with.
17:09<babilen>iceowl: It does support wireless cards (you might need firmware though (/msg dpkg installer firmware -- /msg dpkg firmware image)) The only restriction is that WPA* encrypted networks are not not yet supported. You can still install a minimal system with the netinstall, would use the CD1/DVDs to install a system with network-manager/wpasupplicant/wicd or just use ethernet for the initial installation.
17:10<iceowl>babilen: that's the kind of answer I'm looking for.
17:10*babilen bows
17:10<lindi->babilen: CD1 does not have network-manager?
17:10<lindi->babilen: just drop CD1 please :)
17:10<babilen>ack
17:11<Black_Prince>network-manager is on CD4 and network-manager-gnome on CD5 iirc :-|
17:11<lindi->it causes people to install a crippled system where a lot of stuff is missing
17:11<lindi->and they won't notice
17:11<Ionic>lindi-: http://dovecot.org/pipermail/dovecot/2011-September/061014.html
17:11<iceowl>but, to reiterate, the firmware works fine, my card is detected. the problem lies with getting it to connect to a router, not because of WPA encryption, but because I simply can't turn on the interface due a lack of tools to do so.
17:11<ompaul>iceowl: actually don't just read this http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2011/08/msg00172.html
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17:11*babilen hopes that we will be able to squeeze everyhting for gnome on CD1 for wheezy (heh, unintented pun was intended)
17:11<lindi->Ionic: nice, so talking to upstream helped :)
17:12<iceowl>but I see now that even if I could get the interface on, it wouldn't connect anyway. so.. DVD1 it is.
17:12<ompaul>iceowl: go move your computer if it fails you might like to carry firmware-linux-nonefree for your version
17:12<babilen>iceowl: The installer should allow you to connect to it -- I would personally recommend to either install via ethernet or use DVD1 for the initial installation.
17:12<Ionic>lindi-: yeah, and now the limitation itself is being questioned too (actually it's a code design problem because the sieve compilation is done through recursion)
17:12<iceowl>ompaul: my laptop is on life support. moving it is an ordeal.
17:12<lindi->Ionic: the workaround that I mention is running debian installer from live aystem
17:12<lindi->Ionic: unfortunately that has not received much testing yet
17:13<iceowl>and I do not have any cat5 long enough.
17:13<lindi->Ionic: so it might break in funky ways
17:13<iceowl>and I have no money.
17:13<iceowl>so.
17:13*Ionic redirects lindi- to iceowl
17:13<ompaul>iceowl: sometimes there is great freedom in having no choice
17:13<iceowl>DVD1.
17:13<lindi->Ionic: sorry
17:13<Ionic>It's ok :)
17:14<lindi->How can we verify that DVD1 has all the packages that are needed to satisfy "desktop" and "laptop" tasks?
17:14<lindi->including dependencies and recomends of coures
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17:14<Ionic>Mh you can't
17:14<lindi->(sorry for the typos, I blame touchscreen)
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17:14<iceowl>I don't know what's on the other 7 DVDs, but I'm hoping apt-get will cover that.
17:15<Ionic>Well CD1 is enough really
17:15<babilen>lindi-: automagically? I am not aware of a method, but it should. (or I will not invite the CD masters for a beer)
17:15<lindi->Ionic: enough for what?
17:15<Ionic>The system may be crippled but should work for fetching more stuff
17:15<lindi->Ionic: it does not even contain network-manager
17:15<iceowl>anyways, time to hop on my bike and head out for dinner with rents.
17:15<lindi->Ionic: so you can't really fetch anything from WPA2 network without magic terminal emulator skills :)
17:15<Ionic>lindi-: network-manager is the worst invention ever, so I'd really be happy to have it removed :)
17:15<babilen>iceowl: have fun with your "rents" :)
17:16<lindi->Ionic: you fail to understand that we are talking about desktop users here
17:16<Ionic>Hehe, I see your point, I'm talking ethernet
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17:16<lindi->Ionic: terminal emulator users obviously can use something else :)
17:16<Ionic>And I'm also talking theoretically
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17:16<Ionic>Oh I see
17:17<lindi->Ionic: I'm seeing people using CD1 and getting non-functioning desktop system
17:17<Ionic>Uhm... ok, "desktop users" is not really my metier
17:17<Ionic>CD1 doesn't even include a GUI, right?
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17:17<lindi->Ionic: it does
17:17<Ionic>Which one?
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17:17<lindi->Ionic: partial gnome
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17:18<Ionic>"partial"?
17:18<lindi->Ionic: you can login but you can't use network, suspend or install packages I think
17:18<Ionic>Oh ok
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17:20<lindi->babilen: we have a list of packages on DVD1 so CD masters can't be blamed. However, I don't actually know how to get all dependencies and recommends of package X recursively
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17:26<babilen>lindi-: me neither, i'll investigate tomorrow -- would be a nice oneliner/factoid to have
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17:53<Tronik>всем привет
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17:55<amphi>!ru
17:55<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
17:55<Tronik>Тут русские есть?)))
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18:01<scinl>I have a DVD+RW and Debian Sid PATA on my only IDE channel. I have a SATA drive with Win7. If I have both drives plugged in at boot, it'll boot to Win7. Is it easy to boot to Debian Live and update-grub with both disks connected? Right now I am rebooting and plugging in whichever drive I need to use at the time.
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18:05<scinl>I have a DVD+RW and Debian Sid PATA on my only IDE channel. I have a SATA drive with Win7. If I have both drives plugged in at boot, it'll boot to Win7. Is it easy to boot to Debian Live and update-grub with both disks connected? Right now I am rebooting and plugging in whichever drive I need to use at the time.
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18:22<infinity0>scinl: your BIOS settings will let you pick a default device to boot from. also some BIOSs also let you press a key on startup to select which device to boot from
18:23<infinity0>and you will also need grub-install to install itself to the right device
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18:39<andi3>hallo, I'm packaging with git-buildpackage. Patch has been applied upstream. I have two branches (master and upstream) and patches in debian/patches directory. What should I do to create package with new upstream version?
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18:42<babilen>andi3: You are looking for #debian-mentors
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18:43<andi3>babilen: thanks!
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18:53<zykotick9>[asked similar question 1 hour ago on freenode, and 40+ minutes ago in irc.mozilla.org #thunderbird] Are there any suggests for logs/debugging of Icedove? I'm having problems with a POP account, but send/receive doesn't give any error messages. I can log in through web based frontend, so password and emails being present are verified. I'm looking for further information to troubleshoot with.
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19:20<aloulisme>SALU
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19:22<aloulisme>salu
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19:22<aloulisme>HELLO
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19:26<nyov>hallo
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19:34<Aqua23>hello
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19:36<daniel_>hola
19:36<tnnnS>Hi
19:36<streuner>moin
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19:37<daniel_>????????
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20:37<ex0a>if i upgrade php5-common to testing branch, would i also need to update the rest of php5 to testing or could i leave those at stable if they don't have dependancy conflicts?
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20:40<ex0a>meh i'm just going to upgrade to testing
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20:47<jrk>Hello. How to configure nullmailer to send bud report by reportbug?
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20:51<jrk>Do not answer. Sorry for asking. I have to go now.
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21:17<lastnode>any idea why mutt does not use my hostname when sending mail? ive changed it from 'debian' in /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts but mutt still uses 'debian'
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21:18<nyov>lastnode: don't know about mutt, but is there an /etc/mailname maybe?
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21:19<Solver>nyov: beat me! :)
21:19<nyov>with pleasure
21:19<nyov>dpkg: slap Solver
21:19*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across Solver's face
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21:20*Hydroxide grins
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21:24<lastnode>there is no /etc/mailname nyov
21:24<lastnode>should i create it, similar to /etc/hostname?
21:25<nyov>no, I don't think that would help
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21:27<nyov>or maybe it does. from /etc/Muttrc: "If Mutt is unable to determine your site's domain name correctly, you can set the default here. (better: fix /etc/mailname)"
21:27<nyov>so use "set hostname=cs.hmc.edu" in muttrc or create that mailname file
21:28<lastnode>/etc/mailname existed, nyov
21:28<lastnode>my bad. fixed :)
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21:28<nyov>ok
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21:49<bidaboy>hi all, i have two an integrated graphical card and an other pci, and i have two monitors each one brached, but i have only one screen working, can i have the two monitors working?
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21:58<nyov>should be possible
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23:45<aussa>when I run X -configure a xorg.conf file is created, but it detects 2 screens, should that be because my laptop has two graphics cards?
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23:48<aussa>how do I turn off Intel graphics?
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23:52<nyov>remove it from the xorg.conf?
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23:54<aussa>nyov, I tried, couldn't to X then
23:54<aussa>nyov, I tried, couldn't get to X then
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23:58<nyov>well I never touched one of these strange notebooks. you can possibly disable the one chip in the bios. but how you switch between them with X i have no idea
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