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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-09-12

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01:34<mercutio22>where in debian can I find the apache config file where I'd find the LoadModules directive?
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01:37<jm_>mercutio22: man a2enmod
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01:47<seanius>ex0a: yes was the answer to your question, btw, you did need to upgrade all of the packages
01:47<aussa>do you know why is this error caused: startpar: service(s) returned failure: gdomap ... failed!
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01:49<ex0a>seanius: yeah i noticed that's why i went ahead and dist-upgraded to testing
01:49<ex0a>ty though
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02:40<Gab>HELP IDENTIFY
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02:52<lindi->what's the recommended way to read the changelog of (lenny-backports) linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 2.6.32-35~bpo50+1 without installing the package? PTS only shows changelog for 3.1.0~rc4-1~experimental.1 which does not have backports in its history
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02:58<th_>download the package and dpkg-parsechangelog ?
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03:25<mosno>what's that program called that informs you what programs/daemons need a restart due to security updates?
03:26<mosno>s/what/which/
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03:26<mosno>(ugh, neverind. i should just accept my bad grammar because that sed was a fail)
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03:28<numb3r>hello ppl
03:30<lindi->th_: ok, maybe I'll say "without downloading" it too :)
03:30<lindi->th_: mainly due to bandwidth issues
03:31<lindi->th_: but also debsnap support for downloading binary packages is only available in wheezy
03:32<th_>:)
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03:33<th_>mosno, checkrestart in package debian-goodies ?
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03:38<mosno>thanks, th_ ... that seems to be the one :)
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03:44<mercutio22>whats the apache php5 module name?
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03:46<seanius>mercutio22: libapache2-mod-php5
03:46<mercutio22>seanius: thanks
03:46<seanius>mercutio22: i think in many cases apt-get install php5 will bring it in for you automatically too :)
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03:47<mercutio22>seanius: oh yea, I have it installed just needed to load it it seems
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03:48<hando>mercutio22: a2enmod php5
03:50<mercutio22>hando: thanks
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04:08<AspiePCgeek>Hello. I am having trouble installing xapian on my debian squeeze machine. the make and make install commands gives errors.
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04:17<th_>AspiePCgeek, perhaps the xapian package on the debian repo can be used instead
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04:28<AspiePCgeek>debian repo?
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04:30<th_>apt-get install xapian-tools ?
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04:31<ompaul>AspiePCgeek: don't be compiling it ain't the shortest route to sanity
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04:31<ompaul>only do it if you really have to
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04:34<AspiePCgeek>All I want to do. I be able to compile the quickstartindex.cc and quickstartsearch.cc examples.
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04:35<ompaul>and first of all you xapian on your machine?
04:38<ompaul> apt-get source xapian-tools
04:38<AspiePCgeek>I downloaded the tar.gz and unpacked it. Then i tryed to install it.. forst i used a ./configure command that worked. After that the homepage said to use make and then make install. These commands gave errors. I might be wrong but Cant i just use the xapian.h and compile the examples?
04:39<ompaul>why would you do that when you can do this apt-get source xapian-tools
04:39<ompaul>that will give you the source to the debian package
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04:40<AspiePCgeek>couse i did not knew i could do that ;)
04:40<ompaul>AspiePCgeek: I'll also assume you did apt-get install build-essential
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04:40<ompaul>which gives you a correctly laid out compiler and libraries for debian
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04:42<AspiePCgeek>That.. I did :)
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04:43<ompaul>AspiePCgeek: basically if you want to use a package it most likely already exists for debian and apt-get search KEYWORD will find you a package name
04:44<ompaul>if you do that as root with an apt-get update && apt-get search you will always be looking at the latest however you should also do this every now and again
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04:44<ompaul>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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04:45<ompaul>it keeps you up to date with bug fixes - then later on when wheezy becomes stable you will be able to upgrade
04:45<AspiePCgeek>apt-get search xapian gives the error unknow comand search
04:45<ompaul>sorry
04:46<ompaul>apt-cache search
04:46<ompaul>Huge DOH! on my part there
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04:46<AspiePCgeek>i forgive you
04:46<ompaul>but will I forgive me :)
04:46<ompaul>find out in episode 2 :)
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04:47<AspiePCgeek>how do i scroll up in the terminal text
04:47<ompaul>Scroll Lock button shift up arrow or shift up page
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04:57<scrappy>how to change login for bt4
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04:58<scrappy>bew please help
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04:58<scrappy>new to bt4 help please
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04:58<jm_>!bt4
04:58<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
04:58<scrappy>tks
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05:01<th_>AspiePCgeek, perhaps you need libxapian-dev (xapian header files are in that package) so you can build a program that use xapian
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05:04<AspiePCgeek>th_: Thanks. installed the package.. where do I find the files after installed it+
05:04<AspiePCgeek>?
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05:06<th>hmm, usually in /usr/include
05:07<th>perhaps rerun ./configure, which will take care of that and you can just make and make install
05:08<new->hi guys, i got something very strange with 2 virtual servers squeeze that was clustered. I suspect a very dirty crontab to have broken something with VFS. In place of using logrotate, someone mv /var/log/files.log and 5 hour later restart the daemon, during this time i think the system continu to write on the same inode, but i can't recover the left space disk... even a reiser rebuild tree doesn't fix it... On a 10G LV i got 4G of difference betwee
05:08<new->n what's seen with df and du. So i had another Lun to my systems but even if i can handle partition on (create, delete...) i can't mkfs anything, the kernel only says the device is busy ...(lsof doesn't show anything about, lvm doens't lock it and i don't have multipathing activated ...) Do you guys have any idea where i should look at ?
05:09<lindi->new-: reiserfs?
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05:10<new->lindi : yes
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05:11<new->lindi : why ? reiser or whatever always says no space left on device when i know and calculate many G free ...
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05:12<jm_>how do you calculate free space then?
05:12<lindi->new-: ok, no experience on reiserfs
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05:13<new->jm_ : hand made ... loop with some "stat" and ls -li ... why ?
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05:13<jm_>new-: in that case it's probably an app having some files still opened
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05:14<jm_>(deleted files that is)
05:14<new->jm_ : another way than lsof ?
05:14<jm_>normally they show up in /proc so try - ls -l /proc/*/fd | grep deleted
05:14<jm_>new-: ^^^^^
05:15<jm_>I have to go for a while now, sorry
05:15<new->jm_ interesting ... tks
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05:18<ompaul>AspiePCgeek: ahh if you installed the source they installed wherever you were on the filesystem when you did that
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05:24<AspiePCgeek>I have trouble getting the compiler to use the liberary xapian when compiling now.
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05:32<AspiePCgeek>I got it to work. typed wrong compile parameters.
05:32<AspiePCgeek>Thank you everyone who helped me. Really appriciated it. Thanks.
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06:03<nodiscc>Hello all, /sbin and /usr/sbin have disappeared from my $PATH variable when i do sudo...
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06:03<nodiscc>sudo echo $PATH: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
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06:04<nodiscc>su -c 'echo $PATH': /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
06:04<petemc>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=639336
06:05<nodiscc>thanks petemc
06:05<petemc>np
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06:29<deeprokcs31>hi
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06:31<deeprokcs31>hello friends..
06:31<deeprokcs31>any one there.?
06:32<Bushmills>are you?
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06:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:59<wasjen>I wounder how manny that joins this channel because of xchat:P
06:59<deeprokcs31>lol
06:59<wasjen>I'm one of them:P
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07:06<MarcoDiMarco>wasjen, because of xchat? how u mean ?
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08:23<Amichay>hi all
08:23<Amichay>can anyone please help me?
08:23<grove>!ask
08:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
08:24<Amichay>lol
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08:24<Amichay>i'm trying to install debian from a buisnescard live cd
08:25<Amichay>and i'm having a problem configuring my network connection
08:25<Amichay>i have an open wifi with dhcp
08:25<Amichay>and i don't know how to connect to it
08:26<Amichay>it ask me to give the dhcp hostname
08:26<Amichay>what is it?
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08:26<Amichay>BTW, sorry for my horible english :\
08:27<Amichay>any help?
08:28<grove>Amichay: You shouldn't have to worry about that, are you sure your wifi card is supported in the installer kernel?
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08:29<Amichay>i think so
08:29<Amichay>how can i chack that?
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08:31<jm_>Amichay: majority are not - installation manual should cover this
08:31<Amichay>do you have a link to this manual?
08:31<Amichay>please?
08:32<jm_>!ig
08:32<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>.
08:32<Amichay>and anyway, what a "DHCP hostname" is?
08:32<jm_>the firmware images might also be of help
08:32<Amichay>dpkg: 10x
08:32<dpkg>[10x] a l33t way of saying "thank you", or see <pls>
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08:35<wasjen>Stupid question but do you need to mount usb hdd in ubuntu?
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08:35<royh>ten-ex? that doesn't even make sense
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08:36<lindi->wasjen: just click on it in Places-menu and it will be mounted
08:36<royh>almost as stupid as n8 for night. you don't say neight do you?
08:36<royh></rant> :P
08:36<wasjen>ok
08:36<wasjen>Dint work you see:P
08:37<wasjen>But then again it works on all the other laps of mine:P
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08:37<blarson>royh: tenex is a good operating system. I just don't have a 36-bit computer to run it on.
08:39<lindi->wasjen: ?
08:39<wasjen>It is not a problem on this versjon of ubuntui. Only on 11.04
08:40<lindi->wasjen: does it happen with debian?
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08:40<royh>blarson: a friend of mine has/had a pdp-10 :P
08:40*MrFrood prefers twenex
08:40<wasjen>Wops noob alert isnt ubuntu based on debian:P?
08:41<blarson>!ubuntu
08:41<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
08:41<wasjen>ah
08:41<wasjen>sorry then
08:41<Amichay>royh: we probably have different IRC slang in israel ;)
08:41<wasjen>Damn Nazi:P
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08:42<royh>Amichay: just cause a lot of people are saying it doesn't make it "right" :P
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08:42<wasjen>hehe
08:42<royh>especially when it doesn't even make sense :P
08:42<Amichay>lol
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08:42<Amichay>i guess your right :P
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08:43<royh>no, i'm just knitpicking :P
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08:43<wasjen>the people are are easy to convince of a big lie then a small one
08:43<wasjen>:)
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08:44<wasjen>Annyway my usb hdd works great now:)
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09:06<inkbottle>Hi, I do # /etc/init.d/fancontrol start. But grep -i fancon /var/log/* gives no result.
09:06<SynrG>royh: well, so long as we're nitpicking, it's "nitpicking", not "knitpicking" ;)
09:07<Seppoz>hello, is there another possibity to install a perl module on emdebian without cpan?
09:07<royh>SynrG: see what i did there? ;)
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09:08<SynrG>inkbottle: maybe state the actual problem? i have no idea if that grep should actually return the results you expect it to.
09:08<SynrG>Seppoz: see #emdebian?
09:08<Seppoz>ty
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09:13<inkbottle>SynrG: I've installed 'fancontrol' to lower the cpu temperature. And it's perfect. But one thing is going wrong: when the temp. is reaching the maxtemp I've provided, fans just stop (and temp. increases until I do "service fancontrol restart")
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09:13<inkbottle>So it's very annoying
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09:17<inkbottle>About /var/log, probably no reason there is output to daemon.log, in case it's ok.
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09:20<inkbottle>I'm going to run it by hand, and the same time increase the cpu load, so that I'll see if there is some output
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09:20<schneewittchen>huhu
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09:21<schneewittchen>uww
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09:30<inkbottle>So it stops doing good job without saying anything :-)
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09:40<neal>What's the algorithm for choosing a filename in /var/cache/apt/archives? (In particular, what characters are escaped?)
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09:45<petemc>neal: thats the names of the packages, those are created as per the debian policy
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09:46<petemc>unless i misunderstand what you meant
09:46<sun>hi i have a laptop, when im at home i want it to mount an external usb drive that i keep at home, but when im at work then i want to boot up without the drive... what goes in the fstab?
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09:48<neal>petemc: In /var/cache/apt/archives, I see: 'sharutils_1%3a4.9-1_amd64.deb'
09:48<neal>petemc: As far as I can tell that is not the name of the package
09:49<neal>petemc: It is the name of the package + '_' + version + '_' + architecture + '.deb'
09:49<neal>petemc: Plus some escaping.
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09:50<petemc>how the files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ for that package appear ?
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09:50<neal>petemc: ls sharutils*
09:50<neal>sharutils.list sharutils.md5sums
09:50<petemc>oh
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09:51<wrek-gar>does anyone know how to stop a perl script running from inside the terminal
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09:57<wrek-gar>does anyone know how to stop a perl script running from inside the terminal
09:57<wrek-gar>does anyone know how to stop a perl script running from inside the terminal
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09:59<omry>kill?
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10:08<wrek-gar>omry: ? in the terminal - the script is running inside the terminal
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10:09<petemc>wrek-gar: press ctrl c ?
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10:11<yopyop>hello, i'm trying to setting up a bridge on vlan on bonding, my link on vlan is ok, but when i setup the bridge, i'm getting state unknow on ip link show of my bridge. any idea how to debug it ?
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10:25<mvdwege>hi
10:25<mvdwege>anyone know anything about X freezing after VT switch?
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10:28<anbe>mvdwege, do you use one of the non-free video drivers?
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10:28<mvdwege>anbe: Nope, the standard Intel driver
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10:41<shanet>Hi guys, I am having a problem setting a file to full read/write permissions. I am trying to use chmod 777 /var/www yet www-data can not write to the directory
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10:42<shanet>Hang on I figured it out :P Thanks anyway guys
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10:42<rigved>shanet: just to make sure. you are carrying out these steps after using su, right.
10:42<rigved>oh well.
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10:44<cthuluh>sad...
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10:51<amitz>am I the only one but the latest fix to "Oops when unprivileged user reads /proc/<pid>/maps, regression in fix for CVE-2011-1020" makes processor hotter than usual without any processor usage in "top". (besides my USB connections tends to be flaky, but I was crashed so can't recover the error message)
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11:20<CiccioPasticcio82_>can anybody help in addressing me on how to configure a debian squeeze connection as a client of a lotus domino server?
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11:30<mxldr>hi- how do i get the 118th character from each line of a file?
11:31<@Ganneff>man cut
11:31<rudi_s>mxldr: cut -c 118 < file
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11:36<mxldr>oh thanks rudi_s !!!
11:36<rudi_s>np
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11:40<chealer>I'm getting errors like "W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.ca.debian.org_debian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-i386_Packages Hash Sum mismatch" all the time since months. it seems like syncs take hours. ftp.ca.debian.org is backed by 2 servers, is there a way to set only one in sources.list to eventually determine which one is wrong?
11:42<mxldr>is there anyway to do a histogram in unix shell?
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11:44<ompaul>chealer: mail the mirror maintainers to work on it
11:44<cthuluh>chealer: using ip addresses, I guess
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11:45<cthuluh>mxldr: which kind of histogram?
11:45<mxldr>i have a list of numbers
11:45<mxldr>i just want to see their distrobution
11:45<mxldr>like- how many 1's, how many 3's
11:45<mxldr>etc
11:45<mxldr>can i use sort?
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11:46<cthuluh>well, people usually use a spreadsheet engine for that
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11:47<koollman>mxldr: there are some ways. probably many ugly ones :)
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11:47<koollman>mxldr: for the distribution, sort and uniq -c are ideal
11:48<koollman>sort -n yourlist | uniq -c
11:48<koollman>and there you go, output is the count of each numbers
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11:48<cthuluh>koollman: don't you rather mean uniq -c | sort -n ?
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11:49<cthuluh>ah, no :P
11:49<koollman>cthuluh: no.
11:49<koollman>I do that pretty much all the time, I'm pretty sure what I'm doing
11:49<chealer>cthuluh: yeah. I tried the obvious "deb http://24.215.0.24/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free" but that fails with "W: Failed to fetch http://24.215.0.24/debian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found"
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11:50<chealer>oh
11:50<cthuluh>koollman: I was rather focused on getting the output sorted
11:50<chealer>I think I had put the IP address in resolv.conf
11:51<chealer>actually, I put it in /etc/hosts. it's using that IP already
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12:01<alazare619>i just tried running dpkg-name but it wont work
12:02<tdrusk>I want to use Debian as a pxe server. Basically, I want to select pxe boot on the client machine and have it boot into the clonezilla live cd.(I know about DRBL but I have been fighting with it for hours and the clonezilla live cd just works). How can I do this?
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12:03<chealer>my problem is gone for now, but for the record I found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=564829 on the topic, which suggests to set Acquire::http::No-Cache true;
12:04<Bushmills>tdrusk: check out dnsmasq (for dhcpd, tftpd) and syslinux (for pxelinux boot loader)
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12:10<tdrusk>Buhmills: Okay. Will dnsmasq let me say "Okay, make clients connected with my dhcp boot this image"
12:11<Bushmills>tdrusk: no. pxelinux allows you to say that
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12:12<Bushmills>well, actually, it does. but you're limited using that without pxelinux
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12:12<Bushmills>some clients can't transfer/boot images larger than a certain size, for example
12:13<Bushmills>so pxelinux is loaded instead, and bootstraps the second level boot image, while it can choose which image to present to the client
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12:14<tdrusk>okay thanks!
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12:18<Bushmills>,versions xpra
12:18<judd>Package xpra on i386 -- sid: 0.0.7.25+dfsg-1
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12:49<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. I installed dhcp3-server but have since decided I do not want to use it so purged it. However, on boot, I get "startpar: service(s) returned failure: isc-dhcp-server ... failed". Can anyone tell me what's causing this and how I can remedy it, please?
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12:52<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: Which release?
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12:53<ComradeHaz`>jhutchins_lt: Unstable. Just found an entry for it in init.d and removed it.
12:53<davide>!list
12:53<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
12:54<ComradeHaz`>Hope that's OK! Also, though, have /etc/dhcp/* Am I right in thinking I can get rid of all that too?
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12:57<tyra641>Hello!
12:57<tyra641>:)
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12:57<tyra641>is it ok to ask an OT question here?
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12:57<daemonkeeper>Isn't that an OT question already?
12:57<tyra641>not yet
12:57<daemonkeeper>(We have #debian-offtopic)
12:57<babilen>tyra641: I would recommend #debian-offtopic :)
12:58<tyra641>thanks!
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12:58<ComradeHaz`>jhutchins_lt: did I drop and miss your reply?
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12:58<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: What did you use to purge it?
12:58<ComradeHaz`>aptitude
12:59<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: That should be reported.
12:59<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: That kind of error is to be expected in unstable, it's why the packages are made available there.
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12:59<ComradeHaz`>Aye, sure. It may be caused by missbehaviour from etckeeper too, of course
13:00<ComradeHaz`>Did you see my follow up question?
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13:00<sney`>iirc, dhclient also keeps things in /etc/dhcp
13:00<ComradeHaz`>Ah. :(
13:00<ComradeHaz`>All a bit of a tangle.
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13:16<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: I believe it has to do with chaining dhcp requests.
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13:20<ComradeHaz`>Cheers guys. Thik I'm winning
13:20<ComradeHaz`>I don't suppose anyone knows a solutuion to the SATA hotplug bug, do they?
13:20<ComradeHaz`>That is hot connected SATA devices re not detected. I'm pretty sure I fixed in on another machine in the past but cannot remember how.
13:21<sney`>which one is that? also, not all sata controllers have hotplug support. somtimes motherboard manufacturers are cheap and don't buy the full-feature controller chips...
13:22<ComradeHaz`>Well, I had an install I have just lost to HDD failure on which it works, but a new install on the same hardware does not.
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13:22<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: Works on oldstable.
13:22<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: try #debian-next
13:23<ComradeHaz`>Are there the equivalent of 'chipset drivers' available.
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13:23<ComradeHaz`>jhutchins_lt: this is a testing machine I'm looking at now
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13:24<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: Also #debian-next
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13:24<ComradeHaz`>Truth is I actually just hosed the unstable install I was messing with a few minutes ago as I realised I had more issues than it was worth fixing and a fresh install would be the way forward.
13:24<ComradeHaz`>Ah, OK.
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13:25<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: kernel modules and xorg driver, possibly firmware blobs.
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13:28<ComradeHaz`>So nothing that I might need to install that would help with the SATA issue, then?
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13:38<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: Unknown post-stable.
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13:38<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: SATA drivers are in the kernel though, so a stable kernel would be a good start.
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13:55<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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14:02<Guest10016>I installed the catalyst and then ran aticonfig --initial and got "error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
14:02<Guest10016>anyone seen this before?
14:02<sney>the ati installer is not supported here, try #ati on irc.freenode.net
14:03<Guest10016>thanks
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14:28<wifil>bonjour
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14:41<cheater>hi
14:41<retrospectacus>hey
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14:42<cheater>i have a problem with apt
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14:42<cthuluh>nice. your nick confirms what your ident says (or the other way around)
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14:42<retrospectacus>heh
14:43<cheater>i have some packages installed for which some package files are missing. i need those files to run debsums. i need to download the files in the same version that is installed, and i cannot change the apt database. how can i do that?
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14:43<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc cheater
14:43<dpkg>cheater: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
14:43<cheater>?
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14:43<cheater>no, thanks.
14:44<cheater>this is for dpkg and apt-get, very much a debian question.
14:44<cheater>or are you saying that debian does not use apt or dpkg anymore ??
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14:44<cheater>in which case i will gladly leave you in your own insanity
14:45<cheater>however if you'd like other, less childish people take voice feel free to just ignore me
14:45<cthuluh>fine, but dpkg and apt-get are also packaged and used by ubuntu
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14:45<cheater>oh shit
14:45<cheater>let's not support them then
14:45<cheater>because ubuntu uses them!
14:45<lindi->cheater: I would have recommend debsums but I don't know which version of ubuntu has support for the -a option
14:46<lindi->cheater: s/debsums/debsnap/
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14:46<cheater>lindi-, i don't know either. let me get debsnap, thanks for the hint
14:46<thewanderer>cheater: is the package version you need still in the repo that you are using?
14:46<cheater>i don't know
14:46<cheater>it might not be. do those get pruned?
14:46<lindi->cheater: debsnap also only works for debian
14:46<lindi->cheater: since it uses snapshot.debian.org
14:46<thewanderer>cheater: old versions are pruned, yes
14:47<thewanderer>(at least from Debian)
14:47<cheater>hmm how old?
14:47<cheater>this might be about half a year old
14:47<lindi->cheater: which contains all versions of all packages ever released
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14:47<cheater>nive
14:47<thewanderer>cheater: in Debian, half-year old packages usually are no longer there
14:47<lindi->cheater: I don't know if ubuntu has anything similar
14:47<cheater>nice
14:47<cheater>thanks
14:47<thewanderer>(if there is a newer version, that is!)
14:48<cheater>actually let me check the versions that are installed vs the latest available
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14:49<cheater>the Version in the description is the currently installed version, yes?
14:49<cheater>as in, in apt-get show pkg
14:51<cheater>what am i talking about, i typed aptitude in the terminal and said apt-get here. i'm out of it
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14:53<thewanderer>I don't use aptitude, can't tell, sorry
14:53<thewanderer>`apt-cache policy pkg` will show the current and available versions in any case
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14:54<gusnan>cheater, aptitude show - shows the installed version, yes.
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14:55<cheater>it would show the available version as Candidate: yes thewanderer?
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14:55<thewanderer>yes
14:55<cheater>amazing, thank you
14:55<cheater>let's see if this is going to be a bigger problem
14:56<gusnan>cheater, hmm, it seems it shows the package if it exists, either installed or not installed...
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14:56<gusnan>cheater, it can say "State: not installed" on one line...
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14:59<canaima>fola
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15:01<cheater>it seems that the packages are all in current versions
15:02<cheater>so.. if i do apt-get -d install pkg then will that change its "installed manually" status?
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15:05<thewanderer>-d only downloads, it doesn't change states
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15:06<cheater>ok great
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15:06<cheater>i was a bit confused by the name of the command, "install"
15:06<babilen>cheater: use "aptitude unmarkauto" if you prefer that
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15:07<cheater>aha!
15:07<cheater>ok
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15:53<ComradeHaz`>!contrib
15:53<dpkg>[contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>.
15:53<ComradeHaz`>!non-free
15:53<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system run "aptitude search '~i~scontrib'". For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
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15:54<Black_Prince>dpkg, msg the bot
15:54<dpkg>Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others.
15:54-!-Teckwiz [~Teckwiz@host-2-97-122-9.as13285.net] has joined #debian
15:57<Teckwiz>Hey
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15:57<Teckwiz>Any Nvidia GTX 4xx users on?
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16:00<SynrG>maybe just ask your actual question?
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16:02<Teckwiz>Ok, I have an nvidia GTX 470, Im running squeeze on official nvidia latest drivers. I kind of new to using linux for my main PC (I've run webstervers ect before) Anyway, I can't seem to change the fan speeds and it's running at 75*C
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16:12<hipy>HI, i am trying to install debian, but it stops at no ethernet card detected, i have an atheros ethernetcard with the chip: atl1c, which is in the list. but when i selected it and press enter the screen flashes blue and i am back at that menu again
16:13<hipy>-.-
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16:14<hipy>can somebody help me?
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16:16<Teckwiz>Strange problem, if all else fails do an offline install
16:16<MrFrood>!atheros
16:16<dpkg>Qualcomm Atheros is a developer of semiconductors. For support of PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with an Atheros chipset, ask me about <ath5k>, <ath9k>. For USB WiFi support, ask me about <ar9170>, <ath9k_htc>, <ar5523>. For Ethernet driver information, see <atl1>, <atl2>, <atl1e>, <atl1c>. For Bluetooth device support, see <ath3k>. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/Atheros
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16:18<hipy>MrFrood, thanks, but that does not solve my problem
16:18<hipy>i still cant select and continue my instalation
16:20<MrFrood>hipy: /msg dpkg <code/for/your chipset> e.g. /msg dpkg ath5k it should at the very least tell you if you need non-free ddrivers
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16:21<hipy>MrFrood, yes, i know what chipset i have. but again, if i selected my chipset in the list and press enter the screen flashes blue and it comes back to that list
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16:21<hipy>also how do i find out what chipset it is.
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16:23<binspace>Hi, I manually removed a file from my system, and now I cannot uninstall or reinstall a package. Is there a way to run apt-get install forcing the readding all files?
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16:26<MrFrood>hipy: is the card built into your motherboard?
16:26<ompaul>hipy: get wire attach it to your network card attach the other end to a router get cd stick cd in start again
16:27<hipy>MrFrood, its a laptop, so yes
16:27<hipy>ompaul, i did that already
16:27<hipy>even if i manage to install debian i still nee dthat drover
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16:28<MrFrood>hipy: use a search engine to find out the specs of your laptop ind the chip set of the network card
16:28<hipy>MrFrood, atl1c
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16:28<hipy>according to ubuntu
16:28<ompaul>hipy: use this CD http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/
16:29<Black_Prince>hipy, hey I just came. What is your problem?
16:29<ompaul>MrFrood: we need the unofficial way
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16:29<ompaul>Black_Prince: the helicopters are flying low tonight, the helicopters are flying low tonight,
16:29<MrFrood>ompaul: semi-unofficial way
16:29*Black_Prince drops down
16:30<ompaul>Black_Prince: the helicopters are flying lower tonight, the helicopters are flying lower tonight, ;-)
16:30*Black_Prince jumps higher than helicopters
16:30<ompaul>MrFrood: correct
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16:30<ompaul>Black_Prince: well done :)
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16:31<hipy>Black_Prince, i am trying to install debian on my asus k73sv laptop, it says no ethernet card detected. via the ubuntu live cd i found out the chipset was atheros atl1c, i selected it in the driver list of debian setup, but the screen flashes blue and i am back at the network driver select screen
16:32<hipy>how can i fix this. I tought of installing the full install and then trying to install the driver but i cant even find it:S
16:32<MrFrood>hipy: use the install media to which ompaul linked
16:33<ompaul>hipy: if ubuntu said put your hand in the fire would it influence how you deal with debian ;-)
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16:34<Black_Prince>hipy, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=64709
16:34<Black_Prince>ompaul, It isn't included in the kernel.
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16:34<Black_Prince>hipy, it is newer laptop, right?
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16:35<ompaul>sid / testing or soeme such
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16:36<ompaul>however that little beauty of a kernel should see either wired or wireless and let things continue
16:36<Black_Prince>ompaul, no ... It is included in 2.6.35+ iirc
16:37<ompaul>oh crapola
16:37<ompaul>testing it is
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16:37<Black_Prince>ompaul, there are installer discs with kernel from backports.
16:37<ompaul>Black_Prince: please point to it
16:37<Black_Prince>If I only could remember the factoid.
16:37<ompaul>gahhh
16:37<ompaul>I don't either
16:38<Black_Prince>dpkg, kmuto
16:38<dpkg>Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03
16:38<ompaul>yaya
16:38<Black_Prince>That card does not require firmware by itself.
16:38<Black_Prince>hipy, look at kmuto factoid.
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16:39<ompaul>hipy: and you can install the iso to the usb with this command cat debian...whatever.iso > /dev/sd-whateveryourusbisaslongasitisnotmounted
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16:48<hipy>Black_Prince, ompaul, sorry had to be afk for some mins. The laptop is indeed brand new.
16:48<ompaul>hipy: back scroll to kmuto
16:48<hipy>does an debian live cd exist?
16:48<hipy>ok
16:49<Black_Prince>hipy, I saw it's review ... It's excelent. But ... Your hardware isn't supported by squeeze's official kernel. Backported one would be required.
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16:49<ompaul>hipy: that is the way forward it has to do with age of kernel
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16:49<Black_Prince>hipy, there is live cd .. But you'd face same problem.
16:49<hipy>ompaul, i tought of that yes, since debian 6 is already 6months old
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16:50<Black_Prince>hipy, and kernel is more than 1 year old. (Only bugfixes were applied, no new drivers or so)
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16:51<hipy>Black_Prince, i see. i gtg now but i will try that tomorrow, thanks for your help so far! :-)
16:51<hipy>ompaul, you to, thankyou
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16:51<ompaul>no problemo we give you a demo ...
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16:54<hipy>quick question, what kernel was supplied with debian squeeze 6.0.2
16:54<Black_Prince>hipy, 2.6.32 ...
16:54<rikk>hi there! i'm having a problem with a debian install, i did the graphical install but when it comes to package manager it can't connect to security.debian.org or any mirror. i googled and it seems that's an ipv6 problem(neither i or my ISP use it) and i wan't to blacklist it but i only have one file named blacklist.conf and no vi or any other text editors( as far as i am aware). Any1 knows one solution? i don't want to install just the base system.. t
16:54<rikk>hanks in advance
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16:55<hipy>Black_Prince, ok then i think i dont found the correct chipset i tought it was atl1c but accordig to what i found it is found in kernels 2.6.29 to 2.6.39
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16:56<Mike632T>Tried asking this on the debian-gnome group but I'm not sure it is working...
16:56<Mike632T>I'm 'upgrading' from lenny to squeeze - but when using Nautilus to connect to a network server what happened to the 'Name to use for connection field' in the connection properties? Or to put it another way how do I rename the desktop icon for a connection?
16:56<hipy>Anyway tomorrow is a new day. so bye bye:)
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16:56<Black_Prince>hipy, One module supports several chipsets. Your is newer one.
16:56<Black_Prince>damn ...
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17:00<rikk>so.. anyone?
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17:02<Black_Prince>rikk, I'd guess it is not mirror problem but your network problem. Did installer propmt for something like firmware?
17:02<chealer>rikk: you're in the installer or you completed?
17:03<rikk>yes it's a network problem related to ipv6.. no it didn't ask for anything :S
17:03<rikk>i'm in installer
17:03<rikk>i activated another shell to blacklist ipv6 ( as it seems on google that is the problem.. but i can't do it it only appears blacklist.conf and aliases.conf)
17:04<rikk>it says: the repository on security.debian.org couldn't be accessed so it's updates will not be made
17:04<rikk>i say ok and the it says the same thing for any mirror so yes it's not a mirror problem
17:04<chealer>rikk: I think it would be much easier to install just the base system. the installer is really minimal (busybox)
17:04<chealer>rikk: you can do the rest later
17:05<rikk>but then i don't have administration tools and all the other things
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17:06<rikk>i know i can install them latter but somehow the system doens't look the same ( i know i should google gnome or kde admin tools and things like that)
17:06<chealer>rikk: you can install that once your network issue is solved
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17:07<chealer>rikk: it will, as long as you install the same packages
17:07<rikk>yeah but the problem is to know what packages are :P
17:07<rikk>i migh google or go to man
17:07<rikk>ye
17:07<rikk>thanks then
17:08<rikk>but i liked the old way when no ipv6 problems appeared and system was ready to use :P
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17:14<rikk>if i instead of cd install the dvd version should i have the same system i have if i haven't had this ipv6 problem?
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17:15<Black_Prince>rikk, if you choose dvd 1 you will have full gnome system :)
17:15<Black_Prince>But probably still same issue.
17:15<rikk>yes yes
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17:16<rikk>but no problem finding the gnome packages i want :P
17:16<rikk>ehehe
17:16<rikk>but well, i will go on with the cd instalation
17:16<Black_Prince>tasksel has nice wiki page.
17:16<rikk>thanks Black_Prince :)
17:16<rikk>and thanks chealer
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17:18<Goldline>can you helpme with installin wine on debian 6.0.2 do i just have to Grab the source-package?
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17:20<thewanderer>Goldline: is it not in the repositories?
17:20<chealer>rikk: DVD 1 should suffice, even CD 1 suffices IIRC correctly. but knowing the packages isn't a problem thanks to tasksel.
17:20<rikk>ok
17:20<Goldline>under synaptic package manager you mean?
17:20<rikk>i'm on the tasksel page now
17:21<rikk>yeah this is really a nice tool
17:21<rikk>ehehe
17:21<rikk>thanks :D
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17:21<Black_Prince>Goldline, if you are going all way to compile be prepared for -> Installing compilers and linkers, Installing program build dependencies (development files), Downloading Source, Extracting Source Tarball, Configuring Source Tarball, Compiling Program, Installing Program, Configuring Program, Crying if it fails somewhere in the middle.
17:23<Goldline>whatst he easiest way to install ito n debian i know that on ubuntu you can simply add an apt-key under software sources and then install it through the synaptic package-manager - ist here also a wine-key for debian?
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17:24<Goldline>can i uset he ubuntu wine key aswell on debian thats actually my question?
17:24<Goldline>can i use the ubuntu wine key aswell on debian thats actually my question?
17:25<Goldline>ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa
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17:25<Black_Prince>Goldline, no ... Debian is not Ubuntu, thus not compatible with Ubuntu. ppa's aren't supported by Debian either (you can't add them in such way)
17:26<Goldline>alright but what would bet he easiest way to install wine on debian 6.0.2
17:26<kop>Goldline: aptitude install wine
17:26<Black_Prince>judd, versions wine
17:26<judd>Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.3; experimental: 1.1.24-2
17:27<Goldline>that will install 1.3.2.8?
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17:27<Black_Prince>Goldline, no ^
17:27<Goldline>ANyone tried using the ubuntu apt-key - isnt it worth trying?
17:27<Goldline>hm
17:28<Goldline>it may work
17:28<Goldline>or?
17:29<Goldline>black_price sudo apt-get install wine install the latest wine stable release im assuming which is wine-1.2.3
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17:30<kop>Goldline: Mixing debian releaes, or mixing debian with anything non-debian is sure to cause problems.
17:30<Black_Prince>Goldline, again, no ... Look up, judd told you what version is available in squeeze.
17:30<kop>!tell Goldline about stable
17:30<kop>!tell Goldline about overview
17:31<rikk>!tell rikk about stable
17:31<kop>!tell rikk about selftell
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17:31<Black_Prince>dpkg, tell rikk about msg the bot
17:31<Black_Prince>whops, you were faster kop
17:31<rikk>ok thanks eheh
17:32<kop>Black_Prince: I'm waiting to tell Goldline about <sns>. Does he want a newer wine for a reason?
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17:32<Black_Prince>kop, ask him/her not me ...
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17:33<rikk>ina um tuga :P
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17:36<rikk>tasksel doesn't install the gnome admin tools.. it stays the same.. not even openoffice or anything.. in fact it appears to me it didn't install anything!
17:36<Black_Prince>rikk, is your network configured properly?
17:37<rikk>yeah, i can ping google
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17:37<Black_Prince>rikk, run apt-get update then
17:37<rikk>hm ok thanks
17:38<Black_Prince>It would be nice if you could post your sources.list ...
17:38<rikk>oh sh*t
17:38<rikk>lool
17:38<rikk>now i remember
17:38<rikk>because i had no network they become #
17:38<rikk>eheh thanks dude :)
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17:39<aussa>hi, I need to do this: "You need to alter libGL.so library, libglx.so Xorg module and any other libraries replaced by nVidia back to free version, In Debian based distros it should be done via alternatives mechanism" how do I do that, what files do I have to alter? this are the files I found: glx, ia32-libGL.so.1, libGL.so-master, nvidia, any other?
17:40<Nemoder>man update-alternatives
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17:41<kenyon>!tell aussa about alternatives
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17:45<aussa>ok, but have any of you installed bumblebee? I don't know what libraries were replaced by nvidia...
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17:46<aussa>on the glx alternatives I found nvidia and mesa-diverted, that means I should choose mesa-diverted?
17:47<Goldline>and does any1 know howto install vmware-tools on Debian 6?
17:47<rikk>i can ping servers but i can't browse the web or update.. my resolv.conf: "search localhost nameserver 194.65.3.20 " what's happening.. weird..
17:47<Goldline>I cant usee full screen on my VM because of that
17:48<Black_Prince>rikk, lspci -nn | grep -i net
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17:48<rikk>ok
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17:49<rikk>yeah it lists my network hardware..
17:49<nyov>aussa, you want tot remove the nvidia installer?
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17:49<Black_Prince>rikk, it would be fine if we knew what it listed.
17:49<nyov>I think someone mentioned a cleaner tool for that pest
17:50<aussa>nyov, I want to alter libGL.so library, libglx.so Xorg module and any other libraries replaced by nVidia back to free version using update-alternatives
17:51<Nemoder>there is a libglx-nvidia-alternatives in wheezy
17:51<Nemoder>package that is
17:51<rikk>oh now browser is working but not apt-get update
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17:52<aussa>Nemoder, I have it installed, how do I use it?
17:52<Nemoder>rikk: try the dig tool to test domain lookup or just try a different dns server. google's is 8.8.8.8
17:52<nyov>what do you mean, back to free version? you want nouveu?
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17:53<Nemoder>aussa: I assume it does it's thing on install, try dpkg-reconfigure libglx-nvidia-alternatives
17:53<aussa>nyov, I just want the lib files that I had before I installed the nvidia drivers
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17:53<Goldline>Does anyone know
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17:54<Black_Prince>judd, versions vmware-tools
17:54<judd>Sorry, no package named 'vmware-tools' was found in i386.
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17:55<Goldline>its a tool that comes with vmware workstation
17:55<rikk>i can ping and dig tool google but when i search and enter a page it can't enter.. nor did the apt-get update is working.. gonna google on this computer to see what appened
17:55<Goldline>maybe youve heard of it
17:55<Goldline>I udnno howto install it on debian - it installs automatically on Ubuntu
17:56<Goldline>any idea?
17:56<Black_Prince>Goldline, it is not in Debian.
17:56<Goldline>Im able to use full screen
17:56<Goldline>with that installed
17:56<Goldline>in my vm
17:56<Goldline>kinda hard to explain
17:56<Black_Prince>dpkg, enter
17:56<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
17:56<Nemoder>rikk: another possibility is it's trying to use ipv6 to connect to dns and that is timing out
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17:57<rikk>hmm
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17:57<rikk>ok i'm going to disable ipv6 then
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17:58<rikk>thanks
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18:08<rikk>i disabled ipv6, i still can ping google and my routers, but i can't browse or update :S
18:09<rikk>maybe i need to enable ipv4?
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18:11<rikk>oh now i can update
18:11<rikk>uff
18:11<rikk>thank you all
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18:18<chealer>rikk: what did you have to do?
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18:19<rikk>i don't know it just started working althout tasksel and browsing are still not working :S now i rebooted and had some problem with time and date ( seems my bios was in the future or something like that). gonna reboot now
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18:20<rikk>i misplaced the day with the month!! ahahah
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18:26<rikk>i can't find any package with apt-get... omg
18:26<rikk>looks like apt is not working too
18:26<rikk>:\
18:26<bluu>use synaptic
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18:54<yshi>i was wondering if there is something im missing
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18:55<yshi>i want to put debian on the new tower i made recently, but i cannot get it to recognize the nic
18:55<yshi>if i skip, i have an install that does not have ethernet, wifi or bluetooth
18:56<yshi>just wanted to know if it was worth one last try before bringing the tower back to my room
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19:00<dusted>Hey, anyone know how to rotate the digital clock widget to be "sideways" when the panel is in the side of the screen instead of in the top/bottom, like the gnome panel clock does?
19:02<yshi>correction: i need to use the e1000e driver, but it does not work
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19:27<rikk>i there. i can ping the net but i can't browse, it seems it's a dns problem, i just installed debian.. any ideas? thanks
19:27<rikk>hi*
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19:28<rikk>my resolv.conf is: "search localhost nameserver 194.65.3.20
19:28<rikk>should i remove localhost and put something there? thanks
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19:33<kellar>rikk: can you ping 194.65.3.20?
19:34<rikk>yes
19:34<rikk>i can ping everything
19:34<rikk>i just can't resolve
19:34<kellar>do you have nslookup installed?
19:34<rikk>idk i just installed debian
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19:34<rikk>and i had problems because i couldn't get packages from the net
19:34<kellar>try running the command
19:34<rikk>looks like an ipv6 problem because it seems it's enabled and i don't use it
19:35<kellar>try running nslookup from a command terminal
19:35<rikk>yeah it runs
19:35<kellar>ok, now enter "server 194.65.3.20"
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19:35<kellar>and then "www.google.com
19:35<kellar>"
19:35<kellar>does it resolve?
19:36<rikk>nop
19:36<rikk>the first one yes
19:36<rikk>the second one it says: server can't find www.google.com.localhosy: SERVFAIL
19:36<rikk>but i can ping www.google.com
19:36<rikk>:s
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19:36<kellar>if you can "ping www.google.com" then dns is working
19:37<rikk>ye
19:37<rikk>but i can't browse :S
19:37<rikk>my /etc/hosts only have lines for ipv6
19:38<kellar>firewall?
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19:38<rikk>and none for ipv4, also i had this problem when installing debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2011/04/msg00257.html
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19:39<kellar>/etc/hosts is used for name resolution, it doesn't matter if your dns is working.
19:39<kellar>can you ping any host and see it's ip?
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19:40<rikk>yes
19:41<kellar>put the output of "ip addr show" on a pastebin
19:41<kellar>it's not a dns issue
19:42<kellar>also "sudo iptables -L"
19:42<rikk>i can't go on pastebin :S
19:43<kellar>ahh, right. heh.
19:43<rikk>even if i put the ip on the browser it doesn't open
19:43<kellar>anything in dmesg?
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19:44<rikk>"no ipv6 routers present"
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19:46<kellar>I get that too, most everyone uses ipv4, that's probably not a problem.
19:46<rikk>maybe i need to disable ipv6 and enable ipv4? :S because when i was installing, and from the link http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2011/04/msg00257.html it seems they are using ipv6 on their servers, and on install debian tryied ipv6 and because i don't have it was unable to connect and now i only have ipv6?
19:46<rikk>hm
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19:47<kellar>no, ipv4 and ipv6 usually live together nicely.
19:47<kellar>and you just got the error that you couldn't connect to security.debian.org
19:47<kellar>that doesn't mean that it was for the same reason as what's on the mailing list
19:48<rikk>can't connect on security or any other mirror/update
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19:48<rikk>so it just installed the base system
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19:48<kellar>msg me the output of the commands i mentioned
19:49<rikk>ok wait a bit plz
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19:49<kellar>also "ip route"
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19:52<rikk>ip route: "192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.25 default via 192.168.1.2 dev eth0"
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19:53<rikk>ip addr show: "1: lo loopback up lower mtu...... link/loopback 00:00:00:00(..) inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host
19:53<rikk>wait damit
19:53<rikk>i have a pen
19:53<rikk>i'm being stupid
19:53<kellar>that;s enough
19:54<rikk>and i have also etho and wlan0 listed
19:54<rikk>and i'm using eth0
19:54<kellar>you have a configured ip address, a default route and you can ping the outside world, you're actually doing quite well
19:54<kellar>congretulations
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19:55<kellar>are you behind some corporate firewall? something might be blocking web traffic.
19:55<kellar>though I can't imaging they would block that and allow ICMP
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19:56<kop>kellar: If you tell him to paste then we can all help.
19:56<kop>s/paste/pastebin/
19:57<jmccrohan>Anyone know what causes this error in synaptic? http://i.imgur.com/O41uS.png I've checked /etc/apt/ and is identical to another machine not experiencing this issue.
19:57<rikk>this is my home, and i add no problems when i installed 2 or 3 weeks ago on another computer the same distro..
19:58<kellar>kop: agreed.
19:58<rikk>ok i'm gonna get my pen
19:58<kellar>kop: but he can't pastebin from the problem computer, no net access
19:58<rikk>and paste all you ask
19:58<prahal>I have issues connection to debian.org
19:58<rikk>wait 1 min plz
19:58<prahal>ping works well , only http
19:59<kellar>post iptables -L for us
20:01<prahal>pretty complex . Was asking merely to know if there is an issue (all other sites works well)
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20:03<kellar>prahal: was talking to rikk
20:03<prahal>ok sorry
20:03<kellar>no problem loading www.debian.org for me
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20:04<rikk>no iptables rules
20:04<rikk>but here is the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/YXpDyje5
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20:06<kellar>rikk: how about "traceroute www.google.com"?
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20:06<kellar>no wait, that's icmp again, we know that's working
20:07<rikk>can't resolve but if i put some ip of my routers or even the ip of google, it's working
20:07<kellar>that doesn't make sense.
20:07<kellar>ping can resolve addressess but traceroute can't?
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20:08<rikk>oh
20:08<rikk>now it did
20:09<chealer>jmccrohan: are they using the same Debian suite?
20:09<rikk>and it's fine, it goes from my routers then to dns servers and then to a bunch of servers
20:10<kellar>does your router have a web interface? can you connect there with your browser?
20:10<kop>rikk: If there's no firewall between you and the net then the problem is likely dns. Use a global dns server like 8.8.8.8 in /etc/resolv.conf. (man resolv.conf)
20:10<kellar>kop: his dns and icmp are are working
20:11<kop>kellar: You're sure they're resolving to the right addresses and not something like they have in hotels where no matter what you get the hotel page asking for money.
20:11<kop>kellar: ?
20:11<kellar>rikk: try to comment out the localhost line in your /etc/resolv.conf
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20:12<kop>kellar: I suppose also nat could be broken, but it's hard to see how that'd be protocol specific.
20:12<jmccrohan>chealer: Yup. Both wheezy.
20:12<kellar>kop: he's at home. and using an ISP's dns (i think) 194.65.3.20
20:12<rikk>this is my home, there are no such things or i couldn't be using this computer withouth problems( and i installed debian 3 weeks ago and had no problems with connecting to mirrors during instalation)
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20:12<rikk>yes, i'm using 2 different companny dns servers
20:12<rikk>ok kellar wait
20:13<chealer>jmccrohan: they both have identical sources.list and preferences?
20:13<jmccrohan>chealer: yup.
20:14<rikk>not working even after i comment out "search localhost"
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20:14<kellar>what about the web interface of your router? you're connected using eth0 not wlan0 you said?
20:14<rikk>yes, eth0
20:14<rikk>i can access both the 2 routers
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20:15<kellar>in your browser?
20:16<rikk>yes
20:16<kellar>you have dns, icmp and tcp/ip
20:16<kellar>kop is right, it's probably a nat thing, do you have MAC filtering on your router?
20:16<rikk>nop
20:17<kellar>did the last computer you installed which worked connect to the same physical jack you're using now?
20:17<rikk>yes
20:17<rikk>although i reset the router a few days after
20:17<rikk>wait let me check if connecting to other router if it's okay
20:17<rikk>hmm
20:18<kellar>can you try another computer on the same physical port?
20:18<rikk>yeah that's what i'm doing
20:18<rikk>1min
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20:19<rikk>still not working
20:19<rikk>wtf
20:19<kellar>explain
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20:19<rikk>i connected the cable i'm using in this computer to the desktop
20:19<rikk>and enabled wireless here
20:20<rikk>and it's not working so i guess it's not from the router..
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20:20<kellar>hmm. without disconnecting from irc?
20:20<kellar>how'd you do that?
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20:21<dvs>rikk: You have to boot Debian with the cable already connected.
20:22<rikk>i did that
20:22<rikk>well, i had the cable connected to my laptop, i connected trougth wireless and disconnected cable
20:22<rikk>and connected the cable to my desktop
20:23<rikk>and now it's back on and the cable from the second router is on the desktop
20:23<rikk>eheh
20:23<kellar>yeah
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20:24<rikk>the most stange thing is that i managed to install debian withouth problems 3 weeks ago
20:24<rikk>or something like that
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20:25<kellar>well, you can resolve hostnames, ping google and your can load up local web servers, I don't see how it's a problem
20:25<kellar>with the computer
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20:28<chealer>jmccrohan: could you provide the sources.list from the problematic machine?
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20:29<rikk>i don't know whats the problem
20:29<rikk>ble :S
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20:31<norman>hi
20:31<norman>are you guys on windows or linux?
20:31<rikk>:\
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20:32<norman>mirc or xchat?
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20:33<CheckPoint>i dontl ike the xchat gui - id say mIRC - customisable - scaleable - can be modified -
20:34<prahal>oh the issue seems to be only with ipv6 debian.org
20:34<sney`>This is the support channel for the Debian operating system. If you do not have a question about using Debian, please go somewhere else.
20:34<CheckPoint>mIRC can be ran on debian using wine
20:35<prahal>yes and windows can be run on debian via qemu :)
20:35<sney`>yes and neither of those are questions :P
20:35<sney`>(but I was mostly talking to norman )
20:36<jrk>prahal: and debian can be run in windows via colinux
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20:36<prahal>my question still hold . Why cannot I access debian.org via ipv6 (which is the default I cannot tweak when I am on an ipv6 network)
20:36<prahal>oh it is back :)
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20:37<CheckPoint>prahal same prob - it said that the url didnt support the x64 architecture
20:37<CheckPoint>whilst using the netinst
20:37<prahal>CheckPoint: ?
20:37<prahal>this is an i686
20:38<norman>o ok thanks checkpoint
20:38<prahal>oh you tried to use and i686 source for apt whilst on a x64 box ?
20:38<norman>are you running winows
20:38<norman>i dont think mirc for linux
20:39<CheckPoint>norman: mIRC can be run on debian with wine (windows-emulator) and yes ive used an x86 url appearently
20:39<prahal>there are tons of irc clients : apt-cache search irc client
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20:40<prahal>no I still cannot access bugs.debian.org
20:41<prahal>on ipv6
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20:42<rikk>this is what i have when run apt-get update: http://pastebin.com/xevXLZ8L
20:42<rikk>and this is my sources.list: http://pastebin.com/31xpMyAm
20:42<rikk>and i don't know why this is not working omggg
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20:43<kellar>try replacing ftp.debian.org by 130.89.149.226, just a shot in the dark
20:43<rikk>is there any way to enable ipv4? i know how to disable ipv6 but not how to enable ipv4
20:43<rikk>ok
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20:44<Aqua23>Why does my NVIDIA driver say this driver is activated but no currently in use?
20:44<kellar>you can load the web interface of your router on your browser? you have ip working
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20:47<rikk>yeah kellar when i'm using ip address it downloads something from it!!
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20:49<dvs>rikk: so your nameserver is not working
20:49<rikk>but still i can't update because on gpg signatures and things like that it points to ftp.debian.org again
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20:49<rikk>ok i'm gonna change my dns server
20:50<rikk>and put the same ones that are on this computer!
20:50<rikk>thanks
20:50<dvs>rikk: and lines 15 and 16 of your sources.list should have a country code in them.
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20:52<kellar>yeah, 194.65.3.20 can't resolve ftp.debian.org. weird
20:52<dvs>!ftp.debian.org
20:52<dpkg>ftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror for Debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you. Use a local mirror instead, ask me about <mirrors>. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#wherefrom for more information.
20:53<rikk>ooooooh
20:53<rikk>ITS WORKING
20:53<rikk>THANK YOU ALL
20:53<rikk>oh dudes
20:53<rikk>thanks alot
20:53<rikk>:D
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20:54<rikk>it's strange.. why can't the dns server resolve debian? :S
20:54<rikk>uh
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20:58<rikk>just one more thing, after i run tasksel and put graphical environment, it doesn't install the gnome tools i had when i install with network connection.. any thougths?
20:59<sney`>those tools must not be on the disc you're using to install
20:59<sney`>it had to install them from the internet
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21:00<rikk>yes, but suposelly tasksel does it
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21:00<rikk>downloads from the net as it was like run in the instalation time with internet connection
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21:01<sney`>all tasksel does is send instructions to apt/dpkg
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21:01<sney`>if you tell apt to install something, and it can't be found locally, it downloads it from the internet provided there is a network connection
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21:02<rikk>yes i know, but if i choose graphical desktop environment it should "say" to apt to install openoffice and gnome admin tools and things like that or no?
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21:06<rikk>btw any thougths why the dns server didn't resolve debian addresses?
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21:10<dvs>rikk: because the one you use doesn't work?
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21:10<nyov>rikk: have you cross-checked if other dns servers resolve them
21:10<nyov>?
21:10<rikk>yeah they resolve
21:11<rikk>but suposelly if one dns server doens't work, the other one will be put in action..
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21:12<nyov>that depends on the answer from the first server, if you get one it won't check a second server
21:12<rikk>hum ok
21:13<rikk>thanks
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21:26<norman>hi
21:26<norman>cuba33 are you from cuba?
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21:30<sney>norman: if you want to chat with people try #moocows
21:30<norman>o ok
21:30<norman>is this not chat room then?
21:30<norman>im new
21:31<sney>this is a help channel for people using the Debian operating system
21:31<norman>o ok
21:31<norman>i am on a debian though
21:31<norman>o ok cool thanks
21:31<sney>you're on ubuntu. ubuntu is not supported here either
21:31<norman>im on kubuntu
21:31<norman>i tried to go to debian website but
21:31<norman>could not find download for my system
21:31<norman>it said amd64
21:32<norman>was nto sure what version to download for core2duo
21:32<thrown-out>lol
21:32<norman>maybe u can help me with that
21:32<sney>amd64 is correct
21:32<norman>o ok
21:32<norman>why didnt it say amd64 or intel64?
21:32<norman>im trying to learn
21:32<sney>because amd released an x86_64 processor first, so they got the name
21:32<norman>o ok
21:33<norman>suprised amd beat intel
21:33<norman>usually intel is the big wigs
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21:33<norman>o ok thanks for the information
21:33<sney>learn your history. amd has been on top a few times
21:33<norman>yea i like amd as they are cheaper price
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21:45<MyWifeIs19>!dpkg xsession
21:45<dpkg>methinks xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX
21:46<MyWifeIs19>!dpkg gdm
21:46<dpkg><GNOME> Display Manager (GDM) is a <display manager> based on <xdm>, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind. It uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession. http://projects.gnome.org/gdm #gdm on irc.gimp.org. Not to be confused with the General Purpose Mouse (GPM) interface, see <gpm>.
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21:47<sney>!msg the bot
21:47<dpkg>Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others.
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23:12<rikk>ok guys thanks for your help
23:12<rikk>stay cool and good nigth
23:13<rikk>night*
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23:36<moises>hola
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23:42<Luminous>Is this still fairly accurate? http://tangosoft.com/refcard/
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23:42<Luminous>It's the Debian reference card
23:43<Luminous>But from 2008
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23:43<Luminous>It was linked on debian.org
23:44<nyov>it says last revision was in 2010
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23:46<nyov>it also mentions a subversion repository, which should have the latest changes
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23:48<nyov>Luminous: from what I can tell there haven't been any changes to the commands mentioned in the card
23:48<Luminous>k
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