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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-09-14

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02:01<developer>Hi, can someone help whit a problem of variable $PATH
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02:05<jm_>apparently not
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02:13<henr_k>perhaps he was in a rush :)
02:13<henr_k>and we were too slow
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02:59<marenostrum>Hello. I have recently installed Debian Squeeze with only xfce desktop environment. I have an external usb hard drive with 3 partitions. My Debian system does not mount 1 one those partions when I plug it in. There pops ıp a window saying that it can not be mounted and with some suggestions to analyze the situation but nothing in concrete. I can mount the partition from the command line with no problem. Is this a known issue or do you advice me to
02:59<marenostrum>file a bug report?
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03:16<PIrr_>hi marenostrum, I don't use debian but this should make no difference. Make sure that thunar-volman, dbus and hal are installed and started (start thunar as daemon with "thunar --daemon").
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03:19<AgentC>hi
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03:20<AgentC>after installing squeeze on a notebook , i'll get the message "cannot allocate real mode pages" when triing to boot by grub-pc
03:20<AgentC>is it posible to fix this ?
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03:21<marenostrum>PIrr_, Thanks for reply. I'll give a try.
03:22<streuner_>dpkg, dbugs 588293
03:22<dpkg>DONE:#588293:N[grub-pc] grub-pc: fails to allocate memory so nothing can be booted (on an old compaq laptop) (d-i); Wed, 07 Jul 2010 00:15:02 UTC []
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03:23<streuner_>AgentC: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=588293
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03:24<streuner_>AgentC: what kind of d-i did you use to install Debian?
03:24<AgentC>streuner_: installed from CD1 cause i have no network on the notebook
03:25<marenostrum>PIrr_, I see that all three (thunar-volman, dbus and hal) are already installed. They were installed by default, that means.
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03:26<AgentC>streuner_: this one : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-CD-1.iso
03:26<PIrr_>can you give me the exec line in your .xinitrc
03:27<jm_>marenostrum: did you check if anything is reported by kernel when this happens? or in ~/.xsession-errors?
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03:27<streuner_>AgentC: well, should be fine, but check out the URL above, maybe there is a hint about
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03:28<streuner_>AgentC: if you arent to fix it, just try another iso, maybe netinstal (/msg dpkg netinstall), and add the set of CDs to your sources.list
03:28<streuner_>AgentC: able*
03:28<jm_>he just needs newer grub
03:29<streuner_>he has no i-net connection on the laptop
03:29<marenostrum>jm_, Let me unmount it (its already mounted from terminal) and try to mount it automatically.
03:29<ComradeHaz`>sudo tail -n 20 -f /var/log/syslog <-------- is there anything wrong with that command as it only displays 10 lines
03:29<streuner_>AgentC: why do you have no i-net conncetion on the laptop?
03:30<AgentC>streuner_: the LAN port is defect, and my WLAN-USB isnt supported
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03:31<streuner_>AgentC: you heard what jm_ told you, you just need newer version of grub, get those packages from security.debian.org and install them
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03:31<streuner_>AgentC: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/grub
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03:33<jm_>streuner_: he'll probably have to backport them
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03:33<streuner_>oh crap
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03:33<streuner_>jm_: in this case i would just download a newer version of netinsall, less headaches...
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03:34<AgentC>streuner_: ok, when i download that packge and make a dpkg -i file.deb in rescue console, it should work ?
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03:34<marenostrum>jm_, The error pop up says that it can not be mounted and "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error" and it says its sometimes helpful to see the info in syslog and it suggests me to do something like dmesg | tail
03:34<streuner_>AgentC: what version of grub do you use now?
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03:34<streuner_>AgentC: grub (0.97-64) ?
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03:34<AgentC>streuner_: just a moment, i'll take a look
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03:35<jm_>marenostrum: yup, that's why I suggested to see what kernel said
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03:36<marenostrum>jm_, So, what to do?
03:36<streuner_>AgentC: How about to get a WLAN-USB thingie which is supported, i mean without i-net Debian doesnt make much fun...
03:36<jm_>marenostrum: just plug it in, verify that the problem occured and run 'dmesg' - check the last part of the output (after it says new USb device connected ...)
03:37<marenostrum>jm_, OK, I'll do so.
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03:38<AgentC>streuner_: on boot grub says version 1.98+20100804-14
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03:38<AgentC>streuner_: i also have a surfstick, but that requires driver which are first loadable when system is running
03:39<streuner_>AgentC: /msg dpkg netinstall and use this one instead
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03:40<streuner_>AgentC: you are able to use the CDs via sources.list
03:40<streuner_>AgentC: apt-cdrom add
03:41<AgentC>streuner_: is there a newer grub version on that netinstall disk =
03:41<AgentC>?
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03:41<streuner_>AgentC: i have no idea which version netinstall uses, but for most people it just works
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03:43<streuner_>AgentC: if its the stable version, it just should work (TM) ;-)
03:43<marenostrum>jm_, there writes something like: "No anchor found, Rescanning with blocksize 2048, no anchor found, No partition found (1), Unable to identify CD-ROM format." Does it think that its a CD rom? (its a USB hard drive's one partion)
03:43<jm_>marenostrum: can you put the last part on some pastebin site? (/msg dpkg paste)
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03:44<marenostrum>jm_, doing
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03:44<AgentC>streuner_: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/grub-pc/download ; it's the same package which is installed on my book
03:45<jm_>AgentC: alternatively try using grub-legacy
03:46<marenostrum>jm_, Here it is: http://pastebin.com/ChnjtDsW
03:46<AgentC>jm_: i thinked so, so i tried to remove grub-pc and installed grub-legacy, made grub-mkdevicemap , grub-mkconfig and grub-install /dev/sda , but on boot there is only the grub console, no menu
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03:47<AgentC>jm_: what did i wrong?
03:47<streuner_>forgot t
03:47<streuner_>forgot to run update-grub?
03:47<jm_>AgentC: run update-grub to generate menu.lst
03:47<AgentC>jm: ok, i'll try
03:48<jm_>marenostrum: hmm I think this just means it's trying udf as one fs to mount it, but notices that's not it and tries the next one
03:48<marenostrum>jm_, Means? What to do?
03:48<AgentC>booting on this notebook to the graphical rescue console takes long time
03:48<jm_>marenostrum: unless it's really being tried with -t udf or somesuch
03:48<AgentC>the cdrom drive is pretty slow :)
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03:49<streuner_>AgentC: why do you use this laptop at all?
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03:49<marenostrum>jm_, Is it something to file a bug report?
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03:49<jm_>marenostrum: did you check ~/.xsession-errors file? does it tell you which program does the mounting?
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03:51<AgentC>streuner_: no, working on a tower-station, the book is something new I got yesterday.
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03:52<marenostrum>jm_, xsession-errors file is here: http://pastebin.com/UbCxrqpK
03:52<AgentC>streuner_: old, 192mb ream, 40gb hdd, accu damaged, LAN-port defect, only works on powersupply (12V)
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03:53<jm_>marenostrum: any useful info in /usr/share/doc/thunar-volman/README ?
03:53<AgentC>streuner_: since long , i first saw a floppy-drive again ;-)))))
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03:54<streuner_>AgentC: to tell you the truth, that doesnt make much fun...
03:54<marenostrum>jm_, Thanks for your efforts. I'm going to look there now.
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03:55<jm_>marenostrum: I would try to find out what thunar-volman is doing
03:55<AgentC>streuner_: the rescueconsole is up now
03:56<marenostrum>jm_, I see. Thanks.
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03:57<edge>и как тут с кодировкой?
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03:57<marenostrum>jm_, But, by the way, Nautilus does not mount it as well. I installed Nautilus to test.
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03:59<jm_>!ru
03:59<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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04:00<edge>о спс
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04:00<AgentC>streuner_: going for a bootup try
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04:01<streuner_>if you didnt get any errors via update-grub, it should work
04:01<streuner_>otherwise just use another installer
04:02<jm_>marenostrum: that's probably best tested with gnome session, not with xfce session
04:02<AgentC>streuner_: wow, linux bootup works, but my winxp partition isnt in menu
04:02<streuner_>os-proper
04:02<jm_>AgentC: you need to add it manually with old grub
04:03<AgentC>jm_: how to do ? :-)
04:03<streuner_>dpkg, info os-prober
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04:03<dpkg>os-prober: (utility to detect other OSes on a set of drives), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.49 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 188 kB
04:03<marenostrum>jm_, I se. Thanks a lot, dear friend.
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04:04<streuner_>AgentC: is os-prober installed?
04:05<jm_>AgentC: edit menu.lst file, chainloader directive
04:06<jm_>streuner_: that needs on grub-pc
04:06<AgentC>streuner_: what package it s?
04:07<AgentC>gnome says to me, there is a hdd-crash coming up soon or something, what does that mean ??? until now i hadnt any probs with that drive
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04:08<ComradeHaz`>AgentC: it means you should get backups of your important stuff immediately and then ask questions xD
04:08<jm_>marenostrum: no worries
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04:08<streuner_>AgentC: prolly a package which depends grub-pc, so you need to edit by hand :-)
04:08<ComradeHaz`>smartmontools would prob be worth grabbing
04:11<AgentC>streuner_: after editing by hand, is there a need to start update-grub or install again ?
04:12<jm_>AgentC: make a backup of the file because next time it will overwrite your changes
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04:15<AgentC>jm_: ok, i did. now XP is in menu, from that one I'll fetch the driver for internet access (surfstick) and then setting up sources.lst
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04:19<AgentC>IN ANY THANK YOU VERY MUCH
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04:21<jm_>np
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05:00<mercutio22>has anyone here ever used ampache successfully in debian?
05:01<blarson>!anyone
05:01<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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05:05<mercutio22>I am having some trouble setting up ampache. The debug page shows this message: PHP putenv Support: ERROR
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05:08<SynrG>not exactly informative
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05:26<mercutio22>ok, here's the whole, raw debug page pasted into pastebin. Maybe thats more informative: http://pastebin.com/smfucgn1
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05:36<kuLa>mercutio22: for me it looks like you didn't set up env variable required by ampache
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05:45<mercutio22>kuLa: ok. which env variable? Can you give me some ponters?
05:46<mercutio22>*pointers
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05:48<stomanata>hi
05:48<stomanata>i need help usind my hdmi output
05:49<stomanata>i start it via nvidia X server setting
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05:49<stomanata>but it doesn`t star every time. picture is not centred....
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05:56<EmleyMoor>I just installed google-earth 6 using the .deb they supply, and it works fine on my laptop, but for some reason on my desktop, the menu tries to call on an old personal install of google-earth 4 I had. How can I trace how it's doing that?
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06:06<kinky>EmleyMoor: does dpkg -l|grep google provie any other results than google earth 6?
06:06<kinky>s/provie/provide
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06:17<EmleyMoor>kinky: Only googleearth-package
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06:19<EmleyMoor>Oddly, if I /opt/google/earth/free/google-earth, it starts. If I use the menu, which calls that, it fails, as it can't find /home/phil/google-earth//googleearth (which no longer exists)
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06:22<EmleyMoor>Where does using the menu pick up this wrong behaviour from?
06:22<eso24>yes
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06:23<eso24>l]h
06:23<eso24>ui23
06:23<eso24>]
06:23<eso23_>burro
06:23<eso23_>burro
06:23<eso24>marika
06:23<eso24>M ARIKA
06:23<eso23_>burro
06:23<eso24>MARIKA
06:23<eso23_>burro
06:23<eso24>MARIKA
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06:23<kuLa>mercutio22: sorry but I'm not using ampache
06:23<eso23_>xupam la polla
06:24<EmleyMoor>eso23_: Do you need help with Debian? If so, can you describe your problem in English?
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06:25<eso23__>estas
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06:26<eso23__>cabron
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06:26<eso24_>w
06:27<eso24_>mitel
06:27<eso23__>hijo puta
06:27<eso24_>que tal tio
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06:27<eso24__>tu puta madre
06:27<eso23__>xDDDD
06:27<eso23__>juaja
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06:28<eso23__>burro
06:28<SynrG>!ops eso23__ spewing garbage onto the channel
06:28<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: synrg complains about: eso23__ spewing garbage onto the channel
06:28<Black_Prince>!ops I am not sure how to describe following situation. See for yourself
06:28<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: black_prince complains about: I am not sure how to describe following situation. See for yourself
06:29<Black_Prince>yikes
06:29<eso23__>shat up motherfockers
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06:29<Black_Prince>wow
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06:31<kinky>does /kick include globbing?
06:32<SynrG>no. that was an ircop's doing, not a chanop
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06:33<SynrG>but yes, implementations of kick can include globs (though that's not what happened here)
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06:36<EmleyMoor>("ircop" - hate that term but hopefully here it won't be misunderstood)
06:36<EmleyMoor>Is there any way to be sure which file a menu entry is received from?
06:37<kinky>SynrG: an ircop would be in this case an op from oftc?
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06:38<SynrG>yes, an oftc op. EmleyMoor, not sure what else you'd call them since they've been called ircops since time eternal
06:38<EmleyMoor>The term "oper" is generally preferred by those who have been there and done that... me included
06:39*SynrG shrugs. oper, then (though then the unwashed masses will confuse this with a chanop?)
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06:39*SynrG considers himself re-edumacated
06:39<EmleyMoor>Perhaps but at least the three letter sequence "cop" is absent
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06:39<SynrG>if people misread that as 'cop' that's their problem. ircop is at least unambiguous :p
06:39<kinky>we could use irc-op :o
06:40<EmleyMoor>kinky: That's a good one too... I was happy with that
06:40<daemonkeeper>Or we could endorse peace on earth thus making any operator obsolete?
06:40<jm_>EmleyMoor: try running it with -v, but in general it's from /usr/share/menu/foo
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06:41<SynrG>daemonkeeper: i'm sure eso23/24/whatever is just "misunderstood". why don't you see if you can find him and administer therapy?
06:41<kinky>daemonkeeper: impossible due to anonymity in the internet *g*
06:42<SynrG>ah well. all full up on OTness for this morning. anyone have an actual debian-related problem, before i'm totally buried in work? :)
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06:43<kuLa>guys how did you make an complain as above?
06:43<EmleyMoor>jm_: Um... running update-menus? Hmmm... that has alerted me to a "maybe" problem
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06:44<jm_>EmleyMoor: yup
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06:46*nutterpc bops
06:46<nutterpc>music always helps after work
06:46<nutterpc>especially when you have to work on windows systems and also support it :(
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06:47*nutterpc only wishes music went louder on these speakers
06:47<nutterpc>lol
06:48<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... have removed Google Earth, and updated menus, and this menu entry is still here!
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06:49<jase>Anyone here able to help with exim4?
06:49<petemc>probably
06:49<kinky>EmleyMoor: what does 'dpkg --list |grep "^rc" | cut -d " " -f 3' say?
06:50<jase>Well, mine can send but doesn't receive from the internet at all
06:50<petemc>whats the domain name?
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06:50<EmleyMoor>kinky: Nowt.
06:50<jase>olympus.frostbytecomputers.com
06:51<jm_>EmleyMoor: did you also check the new menu file it generated?
06:51<EmleyMoor>jm_: Sorry, I don't follow
06:52<petemc>jase: R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp: SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO :<postmaster@olympus.frostbytecomputers.com>: host olympus.frostbytecomputers.com [115.64.80.30]: 550 relay not permitted
06:52<petemc>the server rejects the mail
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06:53<jm_>EmleyMoor: for example, for me it generates ~/.icewm/programs so I would check there
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06:54<EmleyMoor>jm_: What is generated for the default gnome wm?
06:54<SynrG>EmleyMoor: substandard third-party package with broken postinst, sounds like
06:55<jm_>EmleyMoor: is there a file for gnome in /etc/menu-methods?
06:55<SynrG>EmleyMoor: complain bitterly to the package provider
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06:55<jase>petemc, any idea why it rejects the mail?
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06:55<SynrG>EmleyMoor: postrm, i meant ... obviously
06:55<petemc>jase: probably olympus.frostbytecomputers.com is not in local_domains
06:56<jase>As in Exim4's config or my hosts file?
06:56<petemc>exims config
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06:56<EmleyMoor>jm_: If there is, it's obfuscated
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06:59<EmleyMoor>All reference is removed, and the entry is *still* there!
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07:00<jase>Can I fix it with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config or do I have to find a configuration file.
07:00<jm_>EmleyMoor: hmm I don't have anything other than icewm and pdmenu installed, but 'grep prefix /etc/menu-methods/*' shall show some useful locations
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07:05<EmleyMoor>jm_: Nothing found in any of the locations
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07:05<jm_>EmleyMoor: hmm so maybe this is the wrong path to track then, sorry
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07:06<EmleyMoor>I have no idea where this is coming from and I can't sort it until I do find out
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07:07<jm_>although dpkg does mention menu-xdg when asked about gnome menu
07:07<jm_>which is in ~/.config/.menus here
07:08<SynrG>~/.gnome/apps/ or ~/.gnome2/apps/ ?
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07:09<EmleyMoor>There exist no files found in any of those places that have [Gg]oog anywhere in them
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07:12<AgentC>jm_: I was going to setup the WLAN/USB device. i got the firmware of realtek, but finally the package network-manager-gnome is missing and not on CD1 , is it with depencies on CD2 ? or do i need to have all installtion disks?
07:14<jm_>AgentC: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi#Configure_Interface mentions network-manager or wicd packages
07:14<jm_>AgentC: ahh this is more relevant http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse -- try /msg dpkg cd contents
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07:17<SynrG>EmleyMoor: xdg-desktop-menu uninstall googleearth.desktop
07:17<SynrG>EmleyMoor: and/or xdg-desktop-menu uninstall Google-googleearth.desktop
07:18<SynrG>EmleyMoor: whatever it's called in ~/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu
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07:19<EmleyMoor>SynrG: Thanks - it's gone. Will try the package again a bit later
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07:24<jase>petemc: Reconfigured exim, and my email works now :) Thanks
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07:29<nyov>hopefullz not as an open relay. hehe
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08:00<jase>nyov, Lol, no. It's not an open relay... at least I hope not lol.
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08:02<sylar>what is: "DBus error org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor.NotFound: The given volume was not found"
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08:06<debacle>Hi all, i'm following a tutorial and i have to execute "DISPLAY=:1 /usr/local/jdownloader/jd.sh" from root terminal. But i do not want to execute jd.sh as root but as a common user.
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08:07<daemonkeeper>So? don't run it as root.
08:07<debacle>If i type "DISPLAY=:1 /usr/local/jdownloader/jd.sh" in the common user prompt i got error "permission denied" how can i fix this ?
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08:08<daemonkeeper>Well, perhaps there is a reason why your tutorial suggests to execute the command with root permissions?
08:08<debacle>daemonkeeper: bash: /usr/local/jdownloader/jd.sh: Permission denied
08:08<daemonkeeper>chmod a+x /usr/local/jdownloader/jd.sh
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08:09<debacle>daemonkeeper: it works ! Thank you !
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08:10<debacle>daemonkeeper: just to know. So it was only a file permission (execution) problem ?
08:10<daemonkeeper>Your particular problem was that the said script lacked executable bits
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08:11<debacle>daemonkeeper: thanks for your explanation !
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08:27<cherrybone>is linux-image-2.6-amd64 patched for openvz?
08:27<weasel>there's an extra -openvz package iirc.
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08:28<stomanata>how can i make on my kde every program to be shown only on virtual desktop that i choose
08:28<stomanata>now programs from desktop1 and 2 are shown on 1 system try
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08:29<cherrybone>weasel: I am interested in this particular package because there is a backported 2.6.39 backported squeeze version available
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08:44<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... my testing VM is dead slow
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08:50<joker>hi there, new in debian. I'm trying to set resolution of my monitor to 1280*800, but i can't. I have a SiS integrated. Anyone?
08:51<EmleyMoor>joker: Is enough memory allocated to the graphics for that setting?
08:52<joker>yes, i think. when i had ubuntu i solved this problem installing correct drivers
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08:52<joker>*1024*768, i meant
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08:54<EmleyMoor>joker: OK - well, I've never used xorg on sis so I don't know what it would need...
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08:54<sylar>why kernel 2.6.39 conflicts with kernel 2.6.32 on squeeze?
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08:55<joker>emley: does exist another x-server, better then xorg?
08:56<EmleyMoor>joker: Not that I know to
08:56<EmleyMoor>Besides, you'd have the same problem, if it lacked the specific support you need...
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08:57<nocturnal>how can you tell if lvm is being used?
08:57<nocturnal>device names? tools?
08:57<EmleyMoor>nocturnal: Easiest way, see if there's anything in /dev/mapper
08:57<nocturnal>no mapper at all
08:58<nocturnal>so no then
08:58<koollman>nocturnal: device name usually contains /dev/mapper, and tools like vgs lvs pvs are present and list some things
08:58<nocturnal>I see, thanks
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08:58<tank___>what??
08:59<tank___>what
08:59<EmleyMoor>tank___: What are you whatting at?
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09:00<eshat>My .bashrc is not called when I do a "cd"
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09:01<EmleyMoor>eshat: .bashrc is not called when you do "cd". Can you explain your problem better?
09:01<eshat>EmleyMoor: I've added the __git_ps1 variable into my bash PS1 prompt
09:02<eshat>but I see the current branch only if I load bashrc manually
09:02<eshat>maybe I've integrated it wrongly (harcoded instead of variable)
09:02<EmleyMoor>eshat: Is this true even on a new login?
09:02<wols>joker: not in debian. what does your Xorg.0.log say?
09:02<eshat>EmleyMoor: no, new login loads the bashrc
09:03<EmleyMoor>eshat: So, no fault.
09:03<eshat>EmleyMoor: ok, I guess that is enough info
09:03<eshat>thank you
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09:04<joker>now i'm using vesa driver. when i tried to use sis drivers it printed about an error in the driver
09:04<joker>maybe you know where i can find correct drivers
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09:05<eshat>EmleyMoor: ok, found the mistake, I've used " instead of '
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09:07<__Alex_>Is there a way i can automatically get Num lock to be enabled BEFORE root disk is mounted?
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09:07<EmleyMoor>__Alex_: It may be an option in your BIOS...
09:09<__Alex_>Even if i have Num lock Enabled, when i select Debian in lilo, it automatically disables itself and i have to click it again
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09:12<wols>__Alex_: do you need num lock on for booting?
09:13<__Alex_>I don't NEED it, but it would me nice, since i have an encrypted disk
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09:13<wols>ah. I guess all you can do is put something in your initrd. but what or how, I dunno :(
09:13<__Alex_>I'll try google :)
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09:16<ComradeH1z`>Hi all, what package(s) should I be installing for running java based applications?
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09:18<Burps>Hi : since squeeze, when I 'sudo -l', allowed commands are all listed on 1 line : is it possible to have it in multiple lines as before ?
09:19<wols>!tell ComradeH1z` about install java
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09:29<ComradeH1z`>Thanks wols
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09:51<azatoth_work>are there any reasons why dselect is still exists in the archive?
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09:51<petemc>does it offend you?
09:51<petemc>at a guess, there are people who still prefer to use it, strange as that may seem
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09:52<azatoth_work>does it even still works?
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09:52<petemc>i havent tried it, if its in the archive i would guess it does
09:54<azatoth_work>petemc, dselect is one of the packages that still has open bugs since 1996 :)
09:54<azatoth_work>for example http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=4989
09:55<azatoth_work>petemc, I think debian would be better of removing dselect and it's references in manpages etc..
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09:55<petemc>the people who still use dselect might disagree with that
09:56<azatoth_work>do they even exists?
09:56<amphi>dselect is part of our cultural heritage
09:56<koollman>azatoth_work: why would you remove it ?
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09:56<antonio>hello men!!! i need to configure my webcam
09:56<antonio>i see me down on webcam
09:56<antonio>i have a laptop
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09:57<wols>amphi: heritage many many people would like to forget. kinda like the colisseum in rome or such :P
09:57<antonio>colosseum wols!!!
09:57<antonio>i'm italian xD
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09:57<amphi>wols: I still treasure the memory of the first time I encountered dselect ;)
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09:58<azatoth_work>koollman, to remove the theoretical maintenance burden from the dpkg folks
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09:58<wols>I remember thw >2 hours needed to install debian. ALL the fault of dselect
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09:58<amphi>a deeply moving experience
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09:58<petemc>azatoth_work: clearly whoever packages it doesnt find it too much of a burden
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09:59<azatoth_work>petemc, mostly that they dont dare to remove it
09:59<petemc>well, you dont have to use it, so why should it bother you
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10:01<antonio>how i can setup my webcam on laptop?
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10:02<petemc>antonio: check http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam
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10:13<gordy>hi
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10:13<gordy>i need help downloading the lmms feature in my computer
10:13<Guest10251>s.a. millet
10:14<Guest10251>hi :)
10:14<gordy>how do i do that i have zorin os5
10:14<Guest10251>debian forever :))))
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10:15<gordy>just downloaded it yesterday n it says its downloaded but when i go to the start menu its not there
10:16<wols>gordy: we don't support zorin os, we only support debian here
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10:17<gordy>omg do u know who supports zorin
10:17<wols>gordy: http://www.zoringroup.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=3&sid=a022f69311a014a8e105ef0a393592fa
10:17<gordy>thanks
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10:21<user>hey there
10:21<user>does anyone of you know how to restore windows 7?
10:21<user>like
10:21<user>the boot of it
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10:21<Guest10252>hm..? c:
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10:22<__Alex_>I can help! Do you have your Windows CD?
10:22<__Alex_>Guest10252:
10:22<Guest10252>Yes I do, already tried to run it without sucess though.
10:22<__Alex_>What did you try?
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10:22<daemonkeeper>CD? Windows isn't distributed as Windows.7.Professional.l33t.iso?
10:23<Guest10252>Ehm n-..
10:23<__Alex_>Lol
10:23<wols> __Alex_ restore his windows in a windows channel please
10:23<Guest10252>I just ran the windows CD and there was this default background and that was all.
10:24<__Alex_>You know what, You can just install Lilo to the MBR and fix it that way
10:24<Guest10252>I like linux alot more but i'm currently working on a 2d side scrolling mmorpg which runs on windows only.. :l
10:24<Guest10252>I'm currently running boot-repair-disk
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10:24<__Alex_>Do you have a Linux LiveCD of some sort?
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10:25<Guest10252>I do have a linux ubuntu 11.04 disk, already installed it aswell but can't seem to solve my dual boot problem.
10:25<Quint>lallalalalalalala
10:25<Guest10252>I kind of want ubuntu, windows and debian on the same computer later.
10:25<Quint>ok
10:25<Quint>ok
10:25<Quint>ok
10:25<Quint>ok
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10:25<Guest10252>But now I can't run any of my O-..
10:25<gordy>hi
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10:26<Guest10252>I am now running the boot-repair-disk which is used for MBR restores aswell.
10:26<__Alex_>Guest10252: What OS can you boot right now?
10:26<Guest10252>Ehm none :c
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10:40<adel>hallo
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10:44<ComradeH1z`>Hey all, getting [system] Successfully activated service 'org.kde.powerdevil.backlighthelper' spammed to syslog the whole time but no acual problems manifesting themselves other than that.
10:44<ComradeH1z`>Anyone have any ideas/
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11:16<miko>Hello
11:17<miko>Is there a standalone application in linux allowing to see a vCard ?
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11:18<EmleyMoor>Is the DWTFYWTPL considered "free"?
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11:20*EmleyMoor is guessing so as a package using it is not marked "non-free"
11:21<miko>EmleyMoor: I am a french native speaker and I do not clearly understant what you mean : is vCard a proprietary standard ?
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11:23<daemonkeeper>EmleyMoor: vrms is helpful :)
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11:24<EmleyMoor>daemonkeeper: It's looking at an alternativeto a vrms-objected-to package that's led me to this
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11:26<daemonkeeper>judd: info vrms
11:26<judd>Package vrms (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: virtual Richard M. Stallman. Version: 1.15; Size: 12.5k; Installed: 100k; Homepage: http://vrms.alioth.debian.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/vrms
11:27<__Alex_>Virtual Richard Stallman? Is that a Sandbox game?
11:27<daemonkeeper>Not quite
11:28<weedeater64>miko: gpesyncd ? maybe ?
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11:28<EmleyMoor>__Alex_: It's a program that tells you what non-free and contrib packages you have
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11:30<miko>weedeater64: sounds like producing SQL requests.
11:30<miko>I dig
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11:32<hombre>hello
11:32<miko>I lost my connexiont
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11:41<EmleyMoor>That's slimmed my non-free requirements just a tad
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11:43<nkadun>Can someone tell me where I can check if the fglrx-driver(non-free) supports my ATI X1300 graphics card?
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11:44<Guest10263>can anyone help me with restoring windows?
11:44-!-kao [~kao@125-227-221-183.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #debian
11:44<Guest10263>i'm unable to boot windows :c
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11:45<nkadun>Guest10263: you mean there is no start menu for Windows in grub?
11:45<nioubi404>HI all, I have somes troubles with xorg on my Asus 1215n, after installing (and uninstalling) nvidia proprietary drivers, xorg warn me about missing GLX, vesa and fbdev modules, and glxinfo say this : 'Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig'
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11:46<Guest10263>well
11:46<Guest10263>there is no start menu for linux either
11:46<Guest10263>cuz when i run grub
11:46<Guest10263>grub_rescue starts
11:47<nkadun>Guest10263: I think that may because of grub installing error...
11:47<Guest10263>oh..
11:48<nkadun>Guest10263: so i guess you have just installed linux?
11:48<chealer>nkadun: which Debian suite do you use?
11:48<nkadun>chealer: squeeze
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11:48<chealer>dpkg: info fglrx-driver
11:48<dpkg>fglrx-driver: (non-free ATI/AMD RadeonHD display driver), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 1:11-8-2 (sid), Packaged size: 8918 kB, Installed size: 22160 kB
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11:48<Guest10263>ehm
11:49<Guest10263>i am currently running boot-repair disk
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11:49<Guest10263>and i have linux ubuntu 11.04 installed on an external harddisk
11:49<Guest10263>and windows on my main harddisk
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11:49<AquaL1te>is it only possible to download the source of a package with apt-get? or is it also possible with aptitude?
11:50<nioubi404>and when i go back on nouveau drivers, i have the same problem... someone here have an idea ?
11:50<chealer>nkadun: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Supported_Devices (not supported)
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11:51<nkadun>chealer: so the best way is to use video-radeon?
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11:52<nkadun>Guest10263: I've no experience on double HD, sorry...
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11:52<chealer>nkadun: that or video-radeonhd. #radeon may know better.
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11:53<Guest10263>so noone of you know how to fix my windows boot?
11:53<nkadun>dpkg: info xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
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11:53<chealer>AquaL1te: yes (read the manual)
11:54<ballison>I was asked to grow a partition on a given debian box. When I looked at the file system I see several partitions. They want me to add a drive and grow the partition. How hard is that? It appears from lshw that there's only -1- drive in the host. Here's the lshw ---> http://pastebin.com/w4ZPZ7GM
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11:54<AquaL1te>chealer: i did, couldn't find it, if you know the answer please enlight me ;-) it's just one command not a whole story to tell
11:54<chealer>AquaL1te: did you try searching the word "source" in apt-get's manual?
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11:55<AquaL1te>chealer: i want to download the source with aptitude, with apt-get it's simply apt-get source
11:56<chealer>AquaL1te: ooh, I'm sorry. that's not possible AFAIK.
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11:56<ballison>am i right in saying this host has only one drive in it? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=w4ZPZ7GM
11:57<ballison> product: SAS1068 PCI-X Fusion-MPT SAS
11:57<AquaL1te>chealer: okay thanks, then i'll use apt-get for this one time hehe
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11:57<chealer>nioubi404: um, what ideas do you want? how did you uninstall?
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11:58<chealer>AquaL1te: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403372
11:58<ballison>I'm confued. in mount i see i have a /dev/sda1 and a /dev/sdb1 that those two separate phyiscal disks? because In lshw I only see -1- disk.
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12:00<Numbskull>fuck me there's a lot of people on here
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12:01<AquaL1te>chaeler: takes a long time to implement that feature
12:01<ballison>if i see /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 that means i have -2- drives right? so why does lshw show only -1- drive? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=w4ZPZ7GM
12:01<Numbskull>and your face
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12:03<chealer>nioubi404: do not send non-personal messages in private unless you asked
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12:03<chealer>nioubi404: which Debian suite do you use?
12:03<wols>ballison: where on your lshw output is the disk exactly?
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12:04<anbe>ballison, do you have an usb stick or other removable media inserted? it will show up as sdX
12:04<ballison>wols: I don't see any actually. I see the SCSI controller
12:04<ballison>anbe: these are large drives
12:04<wols>ballison: so it seems lshw doesn't show disks at all. and yes, you have 2 mass storage devices
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12:05<ballison>wols : where do you see i have -2- mass storage devices?
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12:05<ballison>what can i use to probe the scsi controller to see the disks? i had always used lshw but that's clearly not working here.
12:06<wols>ballison: you told me. sda and sdb1
12:06<wols>ballison: probe in what way?
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12:06<ballison>wols: probe for information... i need to know make/model/type etc.
12:06<ballison>wols: Previously when I used lshw it works and gave me all that info.
12:06<nioubi404>chealer: sorry i'm not on my irssi and believed you speak to me in private, because i've read your mesage in another windows of the chan, i running debian 6.0.1 amd64 whith a pinning on the nvidia's packet of the experimental repository
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12:07<nioubi404>Sorry for ma poor english speaking... :(
12:07<hildebrandus>I'm running debian lenny with audio controller 82801G (ICH7 Family) (intel). Microphone doesn't work. Can somebody guide how to make it work. tia.
12:08<hildebrandus>kernel is 2.6.26-1-686
12:10<hildebrandus>other audio versions work fine
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12:11<wols>ballison: your kernel knows that and put it out. hdparm does too
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12:12<wols>nioubi404: reinstall mesa then
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12:14<sylar>I am gettin a whole lot of: "usb 1-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71".
12:14<sylar>anyone know what to do about that?
12:14<sylar>I can't mount my USB HDs
12:14<nioubi404>wols: ok, i'll do, but i'm quite sure i've already do this...
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12:17<nioubi404>wols: I think i must restart x to test now, insn't it ? So i'll disconect but be back asap...
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12:19<hildebrandus>any idea, anyone?
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12:21<weedeater64>ballison: run lshw as root
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12:21<nioubi4O4>i'm back whith my irssi now :)
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12:24<nioubi404>wols: no, this doesn't work
12:25<nioubi404>i think i must check /etc/alternative to see what is broken
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12:28<weedeater64>sylar: I have that problem with my walkman, I just unplug it until boot is complete , then I can plug it in and mount it.
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12:28<sylar>weedeater64, I am connecting it at runtime
12:28<sylar>weedeater64, and it doesn't connect
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12:29<sylar>this debian squeeze version have so many hickups for me.
12:29<sylar>I am sorry I upgraded
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12:30<wols>nioubi404: why do you think that?
12:31<wols>nioubi404: what does your Xorg log say and do you have a libGL?
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12:33<weedeater64>hildebrandus: alsamixer, alsa-base, alsa-utils, ..
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12:34<sylar>could it be a problem in the kernel?
12:34<trunglv>ffgdfgd
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12:38<nioubi404>wols: because i've already have the same troubles when i played with debumblebee... and i've solved it via alternative
12:39<nioubi404>i'll past my log
12:39<wols>ah, you totally messed up your system with god knows what nvidia installers. good luck, you'll need it
12:42<nioubi404>wols: what (i'm a froggy)? I don't use nvidia .run ! i played whith debumblebee a long time ago and since all work great :)
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12:52<nioubi404>wols: pastbin.com/4EBbW4jG for Xorg.0.log
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12:56<nioubi404>my glxinfo and aptitude report on glx packages : pastbin.com/AxCRub8j
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13:38<hildebrandus>weedeater64: they are all installed already. sound works but no microphone
13:38<hildebrandus>only noise
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14:50<ash>Does anyone know if the iPod touch (1st Gen) works with Debian stable? I can read the filesystem but not import/export content.
14:50<XayOn>ash: I think It should.
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14:53<ash>It doesn't show up in Rhythembox, gtkpod nor is there any sign of it in /media/
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14:55<GUAPO>ola
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14:56<GUAPO>ola
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14:56<@Ganneff>!es
14:56<wols>GUAPO: you have a debian related problem?
14:56<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:56<GUAPO>ola
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14:57<CiccioPasticcio82>hello, how do I route everything on eth0 (172.20.147.0 - 255.255.255.0) and only one single address (i.e. 172.20.131.5) on eth1 (172.20.130.0 - 255.255.255.0)? thank you in advance.
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15:01<jancsika>hello. I'm using wheezy. I have a radeon 4200 and am trying to get direct rendering working. I installed the libgl1-mesa-dri package, and if I do lspci -v it shows that I'm using the radeon driver. But glxinfo shows "Software Rasterizer" for the renderer string. Any advice?
15:01<wols>CiccioPasticcio82: man interfaces
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15:02<wols>jancsika: what does your Xorg log say?
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15:02<CiccioPasticcio82>thx wols
15:02<xaot>рш
15:02<xaot>рш
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15:02<xaot>hi
15:02<jancsika>wols: Sorry: where is that log located?
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15:02<wols>!ru
15:02<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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15:02<wols>jancsika: /var/log
15:02<xaot>yes
15:02<jancsika>wols: thanks...
15:02<xaot>кто русский ?)
15:03<wols>xaot: english ONLY. if you want to talk russian: #debian-russian
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15:06<jancsika>wols: I see this: [ 15.764] (II) RADEON(0): GPU accel disabled or not working, using shadowfb for KMS
15:06<wols>!tell jancsika about paste
15:07<wols>jancsika: I also suggest you install the firmware for your device
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15:09<jancsika>wols: The following are already installed: xserver-xorg-video-radeon radeontool xserver-xorg-video-ati libdrm-radeon1
15:10<towo`>and firmware-linux-nonfree?
15:10<towo`>and libgl1-mesa-dri?
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15:12<jancsika>towo`: libgl1-mesa-dri: yes. firmware-linux-nonfree: no. I thought there is open source firmware for radeon, no?
15:12<towo`>no, it isn't
15:13<towo`>the firmware is not open source
15:14<CiccioPasticcio82>wols... no information related to routing in man interfaces...
15:15<wols>CiccioPasticcio82: there is. you simply set up a static IP for this subnet with eth1 and you are done. and you do that with /etc/network/interfaces
15:15<jancsika>towo`: is there a difference in meaning between the word "firmware" and the word "driver"?
15:15<wols>jancsika: yes
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15:16<wols>jancsika: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmware
15:16<CiccioPasticcio82>wols... I have both static... but the two subnets (172.20.147.0 & 172.20.130.0) are both different that the proxy subnet (172.20.131.0)... therefore I need to route the requests for the proxy only through the 130 subnet... any idea?
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15:17<acu>Hey guys - I have created a .vmdk virtual machine out of a physical XP, now I want to run it as a virtual machine in Debian KVM - so I need to convert it in some kind of .img - can anyone direct me how to convert
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15:17<wols>CiccioPasticcio82: post-up script in interfaces
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15:18<CiccioPasticcio82>thx wols... I also found a reference to a "route" command... maybe that will do
15:20<wols>CiccioPasticcio82: look at http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Routing_for_multiple_uplinks for example
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15:23<ballison>!mysql
15:23<dpkg>MySQL is a fast and reliable open source relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. It is the world's most popular open source database. To install, ask me about <install mysql>. http://wiki.debian.org/MySql http://mysql.com/ #mysql on irc.freenode.net, #debian-mysql on irc.oftc.net. See also <mysql squeeze>, <mysql checking>, <mysql memory usage>.
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15:26<CiccioPasticcio82>very good advice, thank you wols
15:27<Daniil>Всем привет
15:27<Daniil>Есть русские?
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15:28<wols>!ru
15:28<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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16:07<dani199o>hello
16:07<dani199o>mi name it daniel
16:07<MrFrood>hi
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16:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:08<dani199o>abla someone in Spanish?
16:08<ansgar>!es
16:08<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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16:08<MrFrood>!es
16:08<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:09<Black_Prince>!es
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16:19<ballison>i tried going to the mysql chat room on freenode.net but it's so many net splits you can't have a conversation.
16:19<ballison>i need to set up some sort of High Availability between two mysql servers in a cluster BUT it i'm not allowed to use master/master replication. Any other options?
16:19<MrFrood>ballison: they are upgrading some of the servers tonight
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16:29<MrFrood>ballison: they have finished the server upates for tonight on freenodde if you want to try again
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16:32<jhutchins_lt>ballison: master/slave replication?
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16:32<jhutchins_lt>ballison: They just finished it at 21:25.
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16:40<ballison>i pluged a USB stick into my debian host. It mounts READ ONLY. I want to write to it. I unmount it and REMOUNT it Read-write. I try to write to the USB stick i get an error "Read-only file system" EVEN THOUGH it's mounted with "rw" options. what gives?
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16:41<lindi->ballison: dmesg?
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16:42<ballison>http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ga7aUQab
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16:42<ballison>lindi-: FAT: filesystem error... Filesystem has been set read-only...
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16:42<ballison>but it shows up in mount a "rw"
16:42<jhutchins_lt>ballison: That's standard behavior. I believe you need to add an fstab entry that says to mount it rw.
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16:43<ballison>jhutchins_lt: Why? running mount command line should to the exact same thing.... mount -o rw
16:43<lindi->jhutchins_lt: hmm, filesystem error is standard behavior?
16:43<jhutchins_lt>I have /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto,umask=0000 0 0
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16:44<kellar>ballison: can you prehaps write to it as root?
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16:44<ballison>lindi-: Here was the dmesg error --> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UJ1cseH4
16:44<ballison>kellar: i am root
16:44<lindi->ballison: fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0)
16:44<lindi->[
16:44<kellar>you can't be. I am.
16:44<lindi->ballison: yeah, that's just broken filesystem
16:44<lindi->ballison: copy the files to some safe location and then format it
16:45<jhutchins_lt>ballison: Does it have a physical write lock switch?
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16:45<nioubi404>Hi all, I've some troubles with nvidia's driver, running Debian Squeeze on my Asus 1215n,
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16:45<jhutchins_lt>ballison: lindi's right, that looks like it's just b0rken.
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16:47<ballison>lindi-: grrr. I need to delete this file... it has my account info on it...
16:47<nioubi404>After installing proprietary's driver and removing it, Xorg say that glx, vesa and fbdev are missing and glxinfo say GLX extension is missing...
16:47<lindi->ballison: you can just erase the whole disk
16:47<ballison>looks like i have to use... WINDOWS!!!
16:48<ballison>lindi-: I borrowed this USB stick from a co-worker. i don't want to blow away their files.
16:48<nioubi404>ballison: What ???
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16:48<lindi->ballison: huh?
16:48<ballison>debian can't mount a USB stick readwrite.. EVEN THOUGH it shows up in mount a +rw
16:48<jhutchins_lt>ballison: Does wintows read it?
16:48<lindi->ballison: didn't we just explain the problem?
16:48<ompaul>ballison: stick faulty?
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16:49<ballison>how come the printer/scanner can read/write to the USB stick just fine but debian can not ?
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16:49<ompaul>perhaps it breaks the formatting test it in another box
16:49<nioubi404>there is xorg logfile : http://pastbin.com/4EBbW4jG
16:50<nioubi404>and there is my glxinfo output and aptitude report on glx packages : http://pastbin.com/AxCRub8j
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16:50<ballison>i feel dirty - i found a case where i had to use windows because debian could not mount the USB stick read write.. :/
16:51<ompaul>ballison: do you think the format of the stick was right - I don't
16:51<jhutchins_lt>ballison: Flash memory works ifne right up until it doesn't.
16:51<lindi->ballison: <lindi-> ballison: copy the files to some safe location and then format it
16:51<jhutchins_lt>ballison: Sometimes a broken FAT system will work in Windows when it won't in Linux.
16:51<jhutchins_lt>ballison: There are also cases where Linux chooses the wrong filesystem.
16:51<ballison>jhutchins_lt: that's what I'm thinking happened. :/
16:52<jhutchins_lt>ballison: There's also the question of VFAT being the whole device as opposed to a partition on the device.
16:52<ballison>jhutchins_lt: But Debian picked vfat as the format. which is correct.
16:52<jhutchins_lt>ballison: Some of them are FAT 12.
16:53<ballison>well in this case it was FAT-BROKEN. :/
16:53<ballison>strange that the printer/scanner could write to it just fine.
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16:55<ballison>and debian could read it just fine. it just couldn't mount it read/write... even though mount said it mounted it +rw
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16:56<ballison>switching topics... and this one is a hard one. My boss wants me to set up a mysql high availibity cluster (2 machines) where one can pick up if the other fails WITHOUT using master/master replication.
16:56<ballison>any ideas?
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16:57<jhutchins_lt>ballison: master/slave replication?
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16:58<ballison>i thought about just rsyncing the data directories since mysql keeps everything in files. but problem is they are all binary files.
16:58<jhutchins_lt>ballison: You can do that, but it's a bad idea with live files.
16:58<jhutchins_lt>ballison: You can store them on a common device, but one of the most likely failures is file corruption.
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16:59<Bushmills>multi initiator scsi storage, one initiator per machine, connected to the same router with interfaces set up to use identical ip addresses, and swap by gratitious arp request to router could be a path to think of
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17:01<ballison>Bushmills: that sounds expensive...
17:01<Bushmills>nowhere was it said to use a shoestring budget solution
17:01<ballison>:) K
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17:04<Bushmills>ata over ethernet may be cheaper
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17:10<ballison>are there any solutions that don't require a shared filesystem?
17:10<ballison>cause what if I want all 5 machines to be able to on the fly pick up and be the DB server for that cluster?
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17:17<Bushmills>as long as only one machine is allowed to write, you should be fine
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17:28<ballison>bushmills: can this be done without adding any new hardware i guess is my question.
17:29<ballison>i have 5 machines for site. 1 is the cluster DB and the rest are all workers, with one hotspare that can be activated as a worker.
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17:33<serhyi>hey guys! is anyone of you familiar with setting up mailservers on debian? I successfully installed postfix, cyrus, saslauthd and other stuff, so looks like I got a functional imap/smtp server on my localhost, but I have no clue about what to do next to make it work with .com domain, how to send mails and stuff, instal webmail etc.. confused, don't know what to google. would be nice if someone can help.
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17:34<Black_Prince>serhyi, you need an IP address that "points outside world to your server" and DNS to point domain.com to that ip address
17:35<jhutchins_lt>!tell serhyi about webmail
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17:36<jhutchins_lt>serhyi: Unless you can get your ISP to list your domain as your IP address you may have trouble sending mail to some services.
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17:42<egoga>test
17:42<egoga>My computer is locking up on me, when it gets to Configure MTA: exim4 in the initialization or bootup, it just hangs there
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17:43<egoga>I"ve tried moving sets of symbolic links from /etc/rc2.d like S21*, S22*, etc to a temp directory, rebooting, then moving back and trying a different one and none seem to work
17:43<egoga>heck I even tried the Debian install CD (which is how I'm IRCing now) and
17:43<aleksey>how this connected new server ??? how write command ??
17:43<egoga>I can't get it to reinstall the operating system without reformatting
17:44<egoga>You type /exec -o cat /dev/urandom
17:44<egoga>that's an exmaple
17:44<egoga>you might also want to type /exec pkill cat after that
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17:44<egoga>but seriously, try this command after being connected to this new server, in IRC type /exec -o cat /dev/urandom
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17:45<daemonkeeper>!ops
17:45<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
17:45-!-mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ
17:45-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@pool-108-11-238-171.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net] by peterS
17:45<peterS>*sigh*
17:45-!-mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS
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17:45<jhutchins_lt>!ru
17:45<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
17:46<peterS>that's what I get for giving him the benefit of the doubt, I guess
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17:47<jhutchins_lt>I just don't think that's an effective troubleshooting methodology.
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18:30<egoga>So
18:30<egoga>I'm back
18:30<egoga>How do I fix my boot up (google couldn't help me(
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18:31<egoga>Is anyone here? Anyone at all?
18:31<abrotman>lots of people
18:31<egoga>My bootup keeps hanging when I reach Configuring MTA: exim4
18:32<egoga>I've tried temporarily moving files /etc/rc2.d/S21*, S22*, etc for each bootup, nothing seems to be helping
18:32<egoga>It's not exim4, that's all I know
18:32<egoga>Is there a way I can see the sequence of init.d/etc/rc*.d files?
18:32<egoga>in the order they boot up?
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18:32<abrotman>egoga: pretty sure i told you how to fix this two days ago ?
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18:33<egoga>I remembered talking to you, saying Ctrl+C didn't work
18:33<egoga>Then after that I didn't receive any answers
18:33<egoga>none that I saw anyway
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18:33<abrotman>i said i was going to bed .. people do sleep, even if it is only a few hours
18:34<streuner_>egoga: and you decides its better to spam serveral channels then?
18:34<egoga>where streuner are you talking about
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18:35<egoga>I dont' see any spam here
18:35<egoga>Is there a way I can see the sequence of init.d/etc/rc*.d files?
18:35<egoga>Is there a way I can see the sequence of init.d/etc/rc*.d files in the exact order they boot up in?
18:35<abrotman>it goes in number order generally .. but with LSB tags it's a bit more complicated
18:36<egoga>okay
18:36<egoga>So S21, S22 etc is the oder
18:36<abrotman>i don't see what you're complaining about .. if you want exim4 disabled, go do that
18:36<egoga>I already did disable exim4, it still isn't working... what I need to know is the one that came AFTER exim4 so I Can disable it
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18:36<egoga>see that doesn't help me
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18:40<amoe>egoga, is ssh up at that point?
18:40<amoe>if so you could ssh in from another machine and examine
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18:42<abrotman>egoga: so peterS banned you not so long ago .. and you come right back?
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18:43<chexsum>try hitting escape
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18:46<Bushmills>abrotman: seems that you're one of the last here not having set the one you're talking to on /ignore
18:46<abrotman>Bushmills: considering he's evading his ban ...
18:47<streuner_>Bushmills: ignore is good for someone who is not OP...
18:47<streuner_>as OP you should be aware of *ALL* thing which going on....
18:47<abrotman>streuner_: i wasn't here .. lay off
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18:48<Bushmills>that must suck :)
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18:50<streuner_>Bushmills: sure
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18:52<jhutchins_lt>egoga: Trying to hack these things directly rather than using the system tools is how you end up with problems like this.
18:52<streuner_>Bushmills: ignore isnt an option for OPs...
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18:53<jhutchins_lt>egoga: If you haven't had a working exim4 system yet, it might be possible to purge it and re-install.
18:53<jhutchins_lt>egoga: You can probably boot in rescue mode.
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18:53<jhutchins_lt>egoga: If you think it's another service, look at the ones with similar start priorities in level2 and check the logs.
18:54<jhutchins_lt>egoga: It also might be helpful to do a disk check.
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19:18<hippo>hello was wondering if anyone knows of a kubuntu channel were i can ask questions about the network manager
19:19<wols>hippo: irc.freenode.org #kubuntu
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19:36<diego>hi, I know this will sound weird, is there any way to use gnome (X) in black and white (gray scale)
19:37<diego>its for an experiment I want to do
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19:37<abrotman>you could change your X bit depth to uh .. 2 or 4
19:38<diego>but isnt that still color ?
19:38<diego>(I mean, few colors but still has some colors)
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19:38<diego>I would like something like 8-bit grayscale
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19:41<abrotman>diego: you may want to ask #xorg on irc.freenode.net .. see if they have a setting
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19:41<MrFrood>hit ebay and buy an old b&w monitor
19:41<diego>sure, thx, I will go to their channel
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19:42<diego>MrFrood: lol, I'm using a laptop ... probably configuring an old VGA monitor is more complicated
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19:42<diego>in fact, I dont know if I even have vga output ... I have dhmi
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19:42<diego>oh, yeah, I see vga too lol
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19:43<peterS>oh man, he just left. I had an actual answer for him
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19:44<peterS>well, sort of, I'm not sure whether my answer would work
19:45<peterS>specifically, add '-cc 1' to the X command line in your gdm config file. I don't know offhand where the gdm config file is, as I don't have it installed
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19:58<egoga>I already did disable exim4, it still isn't working... what I need to know is the one that came AFTER exim4 so I Can disable it
19:58<egoga>Is there a way I can see the sequence of init.d/etc/rc*.d files?
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19:59<egoga>I remembered talking to you, saying Ctrl+C didn't work
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19:59<egoga>I already did disable exim4, it still isn't working... what I need to know is the one that came AFTER exim4 so I Can disable it
19:59<egoga>So S21, S22 etc is the oder
19:59<peterS>it is roughly the order
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20:00<peterS>with dependency-based boot, I think all scripts that have the same Sxx prefix can be run at the same time
20:01<peterS>and depending on the implementation, scripts with later numbers can sometimes run before all the ones with earlier numbers have finished
20:01<peterS>"depending on the implementation" sounds silly, but there really are multiple implementations of this stuff in Debian
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20:03<jasonsmr>hello channel the debian error i get says: Your system does not have the CPU extensions required to use KVM. Not doing anything. ... failed!
20:03<peterS>are you trying to use KVM?
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20:04<jasonsmr>yes
20:04<peterS>sounds like you need to go into your motherboard BIOS setup and enable the virtualization extension for your CPU
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20:04<jasonsmr>I have a uname Linux MobileTab 2.6.32-5-openvz-686 #1 SMP Mon Jun 13 06:40:54 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
20:04<jasonsmr>-a =
20:04<peterS>if your CPU doesn't have that feature, then you need to use something other than KVM, like Xen or qemu
20:04<jasonsmr>Linux MobileTab 2.6.32-5-openvz-686 #1 SMP Mon Jun 13 06:40:54 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
20:05<peterS>that's the biggest issue with deploying kvm: it requires a CPU feature that not all CPUs have
20:05<jasonsmr>I was attempting a qemu-kvm
20:05<peterS>this is why there's also a qemu without kvm (:
20:06<jasonsmr>the virt feature in dual core 2
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20:06<peterS>anyway, I think that feature can be enabled/disabled in the BIOS setup
20:06<jasonsmr>well its my tablet pc
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20:06<peterS>typically, I mean
20:06<jasonsmr>i guess ill make due
20:07<jasonsmr>the tablet is a older one pentium m
20:07<peterS>what does 'grep vmx /proc/cpuinfo' say? It should either list one or more long 'flags' lines, or say nothing at all
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20:12<Regehr>I lost audio in flash-videos (like on Youtube) when using Firefox/Iceweasel or Chromium. It works in Opera though. Sound in general works. Anyone have an idea ?
20:13<jhutchins_lt>Regehr: Do you have pulseaudio?
20:14<Regehr>I think ALSA...but how do I find that out ?
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20:15<Regehr>no, it's ALSA
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20:19<jasonsmr>peterS, for flags? >flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe nx up bts est tm2
20:19<jasonsmr>model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.50GHz
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20:20<jasonsmr>strange >> bogomips : 2999.63
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20:20<jasonsmr>the qemu-kvm image the I want to use is mips
20:20<peterS>jasonsmr: right - no mention of the 'vmx' flag, which I think is what KVM needs
20:20<peterS>oh ... if you're on an Intel processor and you want to run MIPS, you don't want KVM anyway, just plain qemu
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20:22<jasonsmr>ah ha allright juust uninstalled kvm, the reason was because I want to use it* the VM as a build tool for other mips kernels
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20:23<jasonsmr>I dont rightfully know how* to cross-compile, but I have a feeling that using my method may be painfully slow
20:24<jasonsmr>I have a toolchain, but for some reason its not being found, by the compile time make??
20:25<jasonsmr>and I am getting build errors about unmatched gcc-arch selection = i486 in compared to the selected arch for the system = mips
20:26<jasonsmr>this is weird or strange behavior because if I chroot into the build directory of the toolchain the gcc changes to i386 ??
20:26<jasonsmr>IDK
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20:44<jasonsmr>what could cause this error >>Warning: netdev tap1 has no peer
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20:52<mercutio22>Hi. I just installed ampache and it needs the web server to have read access to my music files which are stored in my home folder. I already set the most permissive permissions and I still cannot cd to it with user www-data. Any clues?
20:52<mercutio22>cannot read either
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20:54<peterS>guessing the home directory itself is too restricted. try chmod 2755 $HOME
20:55<mercutio22>what does 2755 mean?
20:55<mercutio22>everyone can read?
20:56<peterS>yes, everyone can read
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20:56<peterS>2000 = new files in the directory will inherit the directory's group. Probably not needed. 700 = user can read, write, and chdir to. 50 = people in same group can read and chdir to. 5 = others can read and chdir to.
20:58<mercutio22>peterS: looks like you nailed it
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21:44<kingsley_>Does anyone here happen to know if there's a command line utility which accepts the name of a file as a parameter, and then reports the check sum of that file in the on-line repository?
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22:03<TreadLight>Hi, can someone help me with something?
22:04<vPueyrredon>hi
22:04<vPueyrredon>what do you need TreadLight ?
22:05<TreadLight>I'm trying to find out how I can get GTK3 themes to work in my Openbox session.
22:05<TreadLight>It's not just my gnome-terminal, but anything using GTK3.
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22:06<vPueyrredon>oh, sorry, I cant help you with that
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22:06<TreadLight>Oh =/
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22:06<TreadLight>Thanks anyway
22:06<vPueyrredon>urw =)
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22:07<TreadLight>By any chance does someone else know anything about that?
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22:12<abrotman>where did you get gtk3?
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22:13<TreadLight>Through the GNOME3 testing packages.
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23:46<kingsley_>Why would the "cron-apt" command report upgradable packages, when "apt-cache policy <package1> <package2>" says they're already up to date?
23:47<kingsley_>Could it have something to do with recently changing the repository in /etc/apt/sources.list?
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23:50<kingsley_>e
23:50<kingsley_>Oops
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