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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-09-18

---Logopened Sun Sep 18 00:00:08 2011
00:00<haru3>I'll be off now. Any last questions I may be able to help with?
00:01<Hospes>Nope, thanks
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00:04<kingsley_>Why would the "wmctrl" command work when it's typed at the command line, but fail when it's run from a startup script?
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00:23<amitz>dependency?
00:24<amitz>something not running yet? when is stackscript executed? after rc.local?
00:25<amitz>oh wait, wrong cchannel kingsley_ :-p
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00:30<nkadun>how to config fonts for Monospace, e.g: Dejavu Sans Mono for English and WenQuanYi Bitmap Song for Chinese?
00:31<nkadun>Which is the config file for this?
00:31<nkadun>thx
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00:36<amitz>what kind of configuration you want to do?
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00:39<shiloh25>whew, new computer, all assembled, ready to boot and instal fresh debian \o/
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00:40<nkadun>When I choose Sans as my font family, WenQuanYi Bitmap Song will be the default CN font
00:40<nkadun>amitz: may I add a 99-xxx.conf to /etc/fonts/conf.avail?
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00:41<nkadun>amitz: Or other convenient ways?
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00:42<nkadun>amitz: I mean when I choose Sans as my font family, WenQuanYi Bitmap Song SHOULD be the default CN font
00:43<nkadun>amitz: While latin remains the same as before
00:45<nkadun>amitz: For now, ttf-uming is set to default Chinese font, how to change this?
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00:52<aussa>hi, every time I install a windows program with wine, the "others" sub-menu in the xfce menu gets full of icons and stuff. how do I avoid that? I don't want any icon created
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01:02<amitz>nkaoh, I don't know
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01:04<nkadun>amitz: I went to change the -nolatin conf file and it works
01:05<nkadun>amitz: But I'm not sure if it's a propriate way
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01:08<amitz>nkadun: neither am i, i thought you only wanted to install some fonts :-p
01:09<amitz>aussa: don't install that wine package that does that? probably. minimal install is libwine iirc.
01:09<nkadun>amitz: Ok, let it be:)
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02:27<sephiroth>hello all
02:28<sephiroth> can i ask for you all about my virtualbox?
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02:28<hello>hello
02:29<devil>sephiroth: vbox has its owen channel
02:29<devil>own, even
02:30<sephiroth>helloo
02:30<hello>what box"?
02:30<streuner__>dpkg, virtualbox
02:30<dpkg>Oracle VM VirtualBox is a virtual machine solution. To install, ask me about <vbox-install squeeze> or <vbox-install lenny>. http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest-utils>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>.
02:30<hello>how do u no i am using vbox
02:31<sephiroth>im i at wrong channel for asking virtualbox?
02:32<hello>i `v got a vbox
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02:33<hello>and i install a ubuntu
02:33<hello>then i am here from ubuntu
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02:33<devil>hello: but this is debian. at least the topic says so
02:33<hello>sorry
02:33<hello>i will go
02:34<sephiroth>okay
02:34<sephiroth>thanks for you all
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02:34<sephiroth>i've changed to another channel virtualbox debian squeeze
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02:37<devil>sephiroth: there is a vbox channel on freenode
02:37<sephiroth>yeah thank you devil
02:37<sephiroth>i'm on the way at that place
02:37<sephiroth>thanks so much
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02:52<andre>oiee
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02:54<downer>WHAT
02:54<downer>sorry, i meant hi
02:54<downer>anyone up?
02:56<devil>downer: have a questions besides 'anyone up?'?
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02:57<downer>well
02:57<downer>not really
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02:59<downer>i guess i could ask a question
02:59<downer>i was wondering if debian will install the nvidia-nouveau drivers at install or not?
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02:59<downer>i believe they are in main..
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03:00<devil>downer: they are installed
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03:00<devil>downer: package is: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
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03:01<downer>yeah
03:01<downer>i figured
03:01<downer>then i was going to complain about ubuntu
03:01<downer>ahha
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03:03<downer>is there a text file changelog for stable and testing i can look through?
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03:07<streuner__>downer: packages.debian.org/<package>
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03:13<debasher>yesy
03:13<debasher>hi2all
03:14<s-izumi>hi
03:14<sephiroth>hiiii
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03:20<debasher>There are from Russia anyone?
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03:22<r4co0n>debasher, join #debian-ru, though it seems quite empty now
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03:28<Q-Master>debasher: /me is from Russia 8)
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03:29<debasher><Q-Master> vodka, beer ? xD
03:30<Q-Master>nah...
03:31<debasher>hack hack berr beer sex sex
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03:32<debasher>Я щас с bears водку пью
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03:36<r4co0n>Ive got exim4 running on a lenny vserver. I need it to drop unauthenticated messages with local fromheader, meaning someone spoofing from. How can I achieve that? Or should that work and i broke it?
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04:10<lothar>Hi, may be this can be answered here: I have a C++ file and like to debug it, but even if I compile with -g I cannot step into the source, nor set a breakpoint to a line in that file. Any ideas?
04:11<valdyn>lothar: why cant you?
04:12<lothar>GDB says that the file is not found.
04:12<wols>is the binary and your c++ file in the same directory?
04:13<lothar>No, the file is also from a plugin that may be the problem.
04:15<lothar>But another plugin works that way. I also have checked if I am using -g
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04:21<lothar>wols: Any further help?
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05:35<beef>Anyone know where I could get some information on and application I am trying to run in wine ? APP-DB is not of any use for this case.
05:36<beef>an*
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05:37<devil>beef: not if you dont ask
05:37<beef>My question will need some followup, but ok, Ill shoot jhere, and see if i hit anything.
05:38<beef>I have installed Age of conan with wine. I am running it rather flaweless. Wehre rather is the keyword. I have a problem with shaders.
05:39<beef>If i enable shaders. Many of the textures are not showing, and it looks like i am in air, but if i turn of shaders, everything shows fine except I get black spots that flicker on the screen
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05:40<beef>I dont mind running it without shaders, but i would like to get rid of the black spots that flickers
05:40<beef>I am sure there is a bypass for this, because it all seems to be sso forced by some trigger of some kind which i havent managed to isolate after many tried of tuning settings.
05:40<beef>tries*
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05:42<SynrG>#winehq @ irc.freenode.net would be more appropriate for this question, i think
05:42<beef>thanks. I just installed irc after 4 years :)
05:42<devil>yeah, quite specific
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05:54<rpetre>are there free nvidia drivers that support GLX yet? I switched to nouveau a few days ago to get rid of some flash rendering bugs, now i find out i can't play minecraft :(
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05:56<Nemoder>http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/MesaDrivers
05:56<rpetre>(i guess the alternate "what causes non-free flash + non-free nvidia show up residual images in terminals on other virtual desktops" question is not supported )
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05:57<Nemoder>rpetre: sounds like an issue with the window manager, which do you use?
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05:58<rpetre>Nemoder: it does this both in openbox and gnome
05:58<rpetre>youtube player is notoriously bad at this, i guess it uses some accelerated buffer
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05:59<rpetre>but beats me why it shows up in gtk controls and especially in by terminals (both gnome-terminal and urxvt)
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05:59<__Alex_>I have a strange problem KDEnlive allways crashes when 99% rendering
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06:01<rpetre>it started after i made some updates a few months ago, but i couldn't tell precisely if flash or nvidia are at fault (and since both are non-free, i guess there's no BTS to turn to)
06:01<Nemoder>rpetre: I use non-free drivers and flash and don't have that issue so it's likely specific to the hardware
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06:01<rpetre>i'm on testing, btw
06:01<Nemoder>same
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06:02<rpetre>it's an nvidia quadro nvs 140m (del laptop)
06:02<rpetre>i have no idea where to start debugging this :(
06:03<rpetre>are gallium drivers packaged yet? last time i checked they were deemed pretty experimental
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06:05<Nemoder>rpetre: you might make a post and see if anyone else has the problem here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=14
06:07<rpetre>oh noes, forums! :) thanks, i'll probably man up to chase this bug further, for the moment i'm not willing to sweat too much time on this
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06:10<rpetre>i'm pleasantly surprised how the nouveau drivers work and it seems the gallium bits are marked with less warning signs than i remembered
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06:37<arjunaraoc>irc://irc.debian.org
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06:46<eligijus>heu guys. have someone of you tried to run nvidia optimus technology on debian 6
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06:47<wols>eligijus: won't work
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06:51<arjunaraoc>hi, I am unable to commit d-i sublevel3 file. I did not find #alolitha. Can somebody guide?
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06:52<wols>arjunaraoc: don't you mean #alioth?
06:52<arjunaraoc>hi wols : thx I just realised
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07:05<__Alex_>Is there a way to install Syslinux to the MBR instead of PBR?
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07:09<bab>hi there
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07:10<bab>I'm trying to build an old version of gcc using an old Debian version and I need an advice
07:11<bab>the problem is that I need something as old as woody - I have a CD but the installation process fails.
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07:12<amitz>be more specific
07:13<amitz>and fwiw, if you just need the gcc, you should install as chroot in case you don't do that.
07:13<bab>what I actually need is a 3.x gcc for building a gcc 3.4.6
07:13<amitz>or a vm.
07:13<bab>a vm is what I'm trying to install - but the installation sources fail
07:14<amitz>what error message, or just install as chroot then.
07:16<bab>I'm trying to reproduce it - one moment please
07:17<bab>currently it's just "debootstrap exited abnormally"
07:18<bab>I'm installing from CD - it gave me an indication that it "distribution files" on the net come from an "invalid source"
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07:19<bab>which doesn't surprise me since woody is discontinued
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07:21<amitz>have you pursued other methods btw? maybe using sarge? compile an intermediary gcc on current debian? etc etc.
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07:22<bab>I tried compiling using gcc 4.x - which is doomed
07:22<bab>sarge uses gcc 4.x, too
07:23<bab>builing an old gcc with a recent one is notorious for being a difficult task
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07:25<bab>judging from what I find on the net the open source community is having a problem here. no one cares for reproducibility of historical binaries. bridges are constantly being burned.
07:26<petemc>how is that burning bridges?
07:26<bab>simply by erasing binary installation sources
07:27<bab>or by renaming URLs
07:27<petemc>woody packages are still available via archive.debian.org
07:28<bab>yes, that's why I've selected woody
07:28<bab>the installation fails, though
07:28<rigved>and how is this specific to the open source community. this may be the case everywhere.
07:28<bab>I tried downloading images through jigdo - I get 404s
07:29<bab>rigved: you're right
07:29<bab>that's a problem in general
07:29<petemc>bab: you should still be able to install woody from just the cd and configure it to get packages from archive.debian.org
07:30<petemc>it would have many security problems tho
07:30<bab>petemc: by changing the apt sources in a console during install ?
07:30<petemc>or not updating packages during the installation
07:30<bab>petemc: security isn't my concern - it runs in a vm and it won't be exposed to the net
07:31<petemc>just install from cd to get basic system
07:32<bab>petemc: I get an error message during install - maybe that's due to a virtualbox bug, but my iso file could also be defective
07:32<bab>maybe I should try using an actual PC
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07:34<petemc>bab: depending on the installer you're using, you should have an option to install offline
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07:34<bab>I'm using the default debian installer (i.e. just boot from CD)
07:34<petemc>what size is the cd?
07:35<bab>585.91MB debian 30r2-i386-binary-1.iso
07:36<bab>I would have preferred 3.1, but the jigdo source is broken
07:36<EmleyMoor>Gosh, that takes me back
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07:36<bab>hehe
07:37<petemc>so use that, and skip the part about updating packages
07:37<bab>I tried that, but it fails during install of the base system
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07:39<petemc>bab: the base system should be on the cd
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07:39<bab>"Couldn't download liblockfile1" was the message I got at the end of the last try
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07:40<bab>I can try without network access
07:41<bab>I can try without network access
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07:42<bab>great, now i get a segmentation fault :-)
07:43<bab>I guess I should skip this - my notebook computer is a rather dated one, maybe virtualbox doesn't like the CPU
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07:44<bab>thanks anyway
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07:44<petemc>you could use debootstrap to install woody and chroot
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07:45<bab>thanks, I'll try that
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07:47<bab>bye, and thanks again
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07:47<MAXmark>deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/incoming testing main contrib non-free
07:47<MAXmark>deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/incoming/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
07:47<MAXmark>deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/incoming/multimedia testing main non-free
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08:27<victor_uva>what is the difference between icedtea-6-jre-cacao and icedtea6-plugin?
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08:53<mdupont>hi all, I have a first debian package for hiphop php
08:54<mdupont>if anyone wants to help test
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09:02<shiloh>good morning
09:02<shiloh>I have a brand new computer, assembled with debian 64 bit testing,,,,, so sweet
09:03<shiloh>question is, how can i transfer files off old computer to new one using ftp?
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09:04<sugresden>âñåì ïðèâåò
09:04<sugresden>åñòü ðóññêîãîâîðÿùèå ?
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09:12<amitz>!sftp shiloh
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09:17<tau>help
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09:23<cristian>ciao
09:23<cristian>c'e' nessuno
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09:34<stomanata>hi
09:34<stomanata>i have problem with my flash drive
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09:34<stomanata>it`s 2g kingston
09:34<stomanata>i format it usin mkdosfs or similar (to make it boot flash)
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09:35<stomanata>and then format it under windows7, but win7 show it as 167mb :(
09:35<stomanata>how to fix this?
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09:38<lindi->stomanata: so you formated it twice?
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09:44<stomanata>yes
09:44<stomanata>first in linux
09:44<stomanata>and then before format it in win7
09:44<stomanata>it show me that it will be 167mb :(
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09:47<lindi->stomanata: before format?
09:47<stomanata>i put flash in usb
09:48<stomanata>and windows says, that i need to format it
09:48<stomanata>or something like this
09:48<stomanata>and i give it to format
09:48<stomanata>and in the window that i can change file system, and choose fast format
09:48<stomanata>on the top was labeled 167mb
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09:49<lindi->stomanata: are you using gnome?
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09:50<stomanata>no. kde
09:50<stomanata>but i format it in konsole
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09:51<lindi->stomanata: yes but you failed? ;)
09:51<stomanata>yes
09:51<stomanata>and now i want to be again 2gb :)
09:51<lindi->stomanata: if you use command line tools then you should mention the exact parameters that you used
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09:52<stomanata>mmmmmmmmmm
09:52<stomanata>i think that i try to use net install for debian
09:52<stomanata>but not written in cd...
09:52<stomanata>moment to look again on debian site
09:53<lindi->stomanata: hmm?
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09:54<stomanata>?
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09:54<tensorpudding>what's the right way to determine what the dependencies of binary package should be?
09:54<wols>tensorpudding: need more context
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09:55<tensorpudding>it's a package i'm making
09:55<tensorpudding>it has two binaries in it
09:55<tensorpudding>i wanted to know what to put in the Depends: field
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09:55<wols>well, depends on what your binary depends...
09:55<tensorpudding>yes
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09:55<tensorpudding>i'm wanting to know how to go about that
09:56<wols>you should know which libs your binaries need...
09:56<wols>and against which they are compiled
09:56<tensorpudding>do i just list every package that provides .so's listed in the output of ldd?
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09:56<tensorpudding>it's not my program
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09:56<stomanata>lindi- may be i use only mkdosfs /dev/sda1
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09:57<tensorpudding>that's what i was going to do
09:57<stomanata>and then copy files to flash drive, but i can`t boot. then use cd and now i have working debian, but not working flash :D
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09:57<tensorpudding>but somehow it didn't feel like the right way, because it's a rather sizable list
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10:00<lindi->tensorpudding: normally ldd is run automatically to generate list of dependencies
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10:00<tensorpudding>would that be what that ${shlib:depends} is for
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10:00<lindi->tensorpudding: exactly
10:00<tensorpudding>okay
10:01<tensorpudding>that sounds sane
10:01<lindi->stomanata: ok I didn't know you were trying to install debian, I though you were just trying to format your flash drive
10:02<tensorpudding>thanks lindi-
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10:02<tensorpudding>this wasn't clear reading the DPM
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10:02<lindi->stomanata: made a screencast of how you can do that from gnome and what really happens behind the scenes: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/screencast/format-usb-flash-drive1.ogv
10:06<bfly>if i wanted to script / automate gui interaction, such as done by proprietary "auto-it", what would be a good free software alternative which works on debian?
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10:08<lindi->bfly: I haven't used auto-it but what is your motivation to do this? automatic testsuite?
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10:10<bfly>lindi-: i hoped i wouldn't have to go into thi ;-) automatically setting options and starting a free software game which lacks a headless server and complete command line configuration
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10:10<bfly>so, not really software testing, more crude automation
10:11<cybersphinx_>bfly: A short apt-cache search brings up xautomation and xmacro.
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10:13<bfly>thanks cybersphinx_, i somehow failed on this.
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10:16<lindi->bfly: I think the right solution would be to fix the game :)
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10:17<bfly>lindi-: obviously, but that takes a little longer
10:17<lindi->bfly: ok
10:18<lindi->bfly: vnc4server with xautomation might be what you want
10:18<bfly>thank you
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10:26<AgentC_>hi
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10:32<stomanata>lindi-, this OGV don`t work for me
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10:32<stomanata>browser try to play it, but no luck...
10:32<lindi->can somebody else try?
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10:33<lindi->stomanata: you are trying to use OS X safari?
10:34<stomanata>no. debian....
10:34<stomanata>i just want to format my flash and be again 2gb
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10:38<vik123>hi All, i have installed debian stable from a memory stick using the netinstall (mini.iso) on a usb harddrive. after the successfull installation (no any error message) when i try to boot from the usb hard drive the system comes back with grub rescue and error:unknown filesystem
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10:39<vik123>the /boot partition is ext4 but the result is the same with ext2 and ext3 as well. can anybody help?
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10:41<victor_uva>I want to add a new process to /etc/acpi in order to make my wifi led work, but there must be a step where I'm doing something wrong; the content for the event and the script associated is correct (I have verified them), the problem arrives when updating the events
10:42<victor_uva>I first did "service acpid restart", then "/etc/init.d/acpi-support restart", but nothing happens
10:42<awesometown>Hi everyone, I'm using squeeze on a Mac, I need to dualboot debian and windows installing windows from a usb drive but apple does not allow boot from usb other than to install os x, apparently (please correct me if i'm wrong) i could use grub (using 1.99) to boot that drive, how could i achieve it? thanks in advance
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10:42<aussa>I'm getting this when I open the screensaver setup: The XScreenSaver daemon doesn't seem to be running on display ":0.0" , how do I run xscreensaver at boot?
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11:01<matematiko>In a terminal I run the command 'apt-get install sun-java6-jdk' few seconds later the background of the terminal changes and shows me the java license agreement, but I do not how to proceed from here, I put the cursor over the words '<OK>' and click it but nothing happens, earlier I just closed the terminal which it was a big mistake cause took some doing to get back to this point....what should I do? Thanks
11:02<matematiko><newbie + 1 day
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11:04<arand>matematiko: use tab and psace to navigate the ncurses interface
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11:04<arand>s/psace/space/
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11:05<matematiko>arand, Jesus I feel like a baby....something that simple....thanks
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11:05<matematiko>arand, I just hope I didnt mess anything by interrupting the installation earlier
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11:07<victor_uva>how can I update the events and scripts in /etc/acpi? I created an event in /etc/acpi/events that points to a script I created in /etc/acpi. After that, I typed "service acpid restart" and "/etc/init.d/acpi-support restart" but nothing happened, my new event is not recognised
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11:09<ingemar>guys
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11:10<matematiko>arand, thanks for the help....over and out
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11:10<ingemar>i wanna join to another server SwiftIRC :s
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11:17<rebeca>?
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11:18<rebeca>???????????
11:19<cthuluh>come on, turn off that damn computer
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11:25<victor_uva>which would be your recommendation for installing lightspark?
11:26<victor_uva>as it is not included in debian squeeze repositories
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11:26<cthuluh>dpkg: tell victor_uva -about stow
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11:26<cthuluh>dpkg: tell victor_uva -about usrlocal
11:26<cthuluh>dpkg: tell victor_uva -about /opt
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11:30<victor_uva>cthuluh: can I trust the steps written in "The hard way: install from sources" here?: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/lightspark/wiki/Building
11:31<cthuluh>victor_uva: no. don't install to /usr
11:31<cthuluh>(use stow)
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11:32<victor_uva>I saw lightspark is in wheezy and sid, could I get the source from there and compile it?
11:32<lindi->victor_uva: unstable chroot is probably better idea
11:33<victor_uva>after some problems with wheezy and sid (I entered here various times after mixing my squeeze), I don't like to install things from wheezy or sid
11:33<lindi->victor_uva: i use that all the time to test and develop
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11:33<victor_uva>how can I do to make dpkg send me the message about installing things from sid?
11:34<victor_uva>I was sent it some days ago to install pidgin-latex, but I forgot the steps
11:34<cthuluh>dpkg: tell victor_uva -about simple sid backport
11:34<victor_uva>ok, thanks :)
11:34<cthuluh>(or install a sid chroot as suggested lindi- )
11:35<victor_uva>I don't know what sid chroot is
11:36<cthuluh>dpkg: tell victor_uva -about chroot
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11:40<victor_uva>if all version dependencies for a package in sid are the one in squeeze, will I have problems after uninstalling a package backported from sid?
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11:40<victor_uva>I ask this to know if I can remove lightspark without problems if finally it doesn't work in squeeze
11:41<cthuluh>so you don't have to install dependancies from wheezy/sid?
11:41<cthuluh>dependencies*
11:41<victor_uva>no, it's a general question
11:42<cthuluh>then it will be fine
11:42<victor_uva>I'm going to see if versions from squeeze are sufficient for lightspark and if I need to install more packages from sid
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11:43<victor_uva>I remember that some days ago I installed pidgin-latex backported from sid, it had a few dependencies, but all of them were packages whose version in squeeze was ok
11:43<victor_uva>and the process was very easy
11:43<victor_uva>but I have never had to backport something from sid with a lot of dependencies
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11:44<gwejones>hello all. some help for a debian/linux newbie plz?
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11:44<victor_uva>for example, if a package is upgraded after having backported lightspark and I uninstall lightspark, what will happen with that package? will it be uninstalled too? will it be downgraded?
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11:48<Kaimei>gwejones you should offer a question to get help
11:49<gwejones>okay just installed debian on my hp mini 210 with atom processor. getting following error code when i plug in usb storrage:
11:49<gwejones>Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:
11:49<gwejones>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,
11:49<gwejones> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
11:49<gwejones> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
11:49<gwejones>dmesg tail or so
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11:51<gwejones>oops. okay it says mount exited with error code 1. helper failes with: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1
11:52<Kaimei>what fs do you use on this usb device and does it work on other systems ?
11:54<gwejones>i think its ntfs on my external hdd, working in win7.
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11:55<lindi->gwejones: what did you do exactly? just plugging a usb flash drive in should not try to mount it
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11:56<sney>gnome, xfce, kde(?) and others have automount functionality for usb storage
11:56<gwejones>i just plugged it in (in gnome environment) and it tried to mount it. does the same thing with my usb flash key and external hdd.
11:57<sney>gwejones: what's the output (as root) of 'fdisk -l /dev/sdb' when that device is plugged in? paste to http://paste.debian.net/ and link
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11:58<deathwing>hi
11:58<sney>hi
11:59<deathwing>I'm having an issue with flash player, video works fine but no sound: ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1401:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card. I checked my user in audi group and I installed the plugin from adobe labs, any suggestion?
12:00<deathwing>audio*
12:01<gwejones>http://paste.debian.net/130781/
12:02<sney>fat16, huh
12:02<gwejones>yeh thats the usb flash drive.
12:03<sney>gwejones: is there a line for /dev/sdb1 in the /etc/fstab text file?
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12:05<gwejones>http://paste.debian.net/130782/
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12:06<gwejones>sorry im a bit slow. not used to gnome ui.
12:06<gwejones>pasted contents of fstab above.
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12:06<lindi->sney: but at least in squeeze gnome it is not mounting it automatically by default
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12:06<lindi->gwejones: how exactly did you try to mount it?
12:07<sney>lindi-: you are wrong, it does
12:07<gwejones>just plugged it in. it tried to mount itself.
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12:07<sney>gwejones: delete or comment out that /dev/sdb1 line, and it will work
12:07<lindi->sney: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/screencast/what-happens-when-you-mount-usb-stick1.ogv is screencast that shows all executed commands
12:07<lindi->sney: can you provide a similar screencast from your environment?
12:08<gwejones>got latest debian this morning (squeeze if im not mistaken)
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12:08<sney>I'm not on a squeeze system right now AND I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you on this, but squeeze users in this channel consistently have hotplug storage automounted when running gnome or xfce
12:09<sney>gwejones: the last line in your fstab tells the system that /dev/sdb1 is a cdrom drive. it's left over from when you installed. remove it, and the filesystem error will go away
12:09<lindi->sney: interesting
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12:11<gwejones>okay will try that thx sney. get back to u as soon as i can figure out how to edit fstab and overwrite it. stby.
12:11<sney>any editor as root
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12:11<storm73>ciao a tutti
12:11<sney>'nano' is probably installed already and has simple usage
12:12<storm73>minghia qualche italiana
12:12<sney>!it
12:12<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:12<storm73>ok
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12:12<storm73>ok ciao a tutti
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12:20<gwejones>okay another question sorry. trying to edit fstab as root. started a root terminal, then tried to run gedit. it says no protocol specified and cannot open display.
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12:21<RaineGalanti>hi (and again..) my sasl2 library complains "Cannot contact any KDC for requested realm". However, my kinit/klist work very well. Anyone experienced this problem ?
12:21<MrFrood>gwejones: use nano
12:21<petemc>!root x
12:21<dpkg>If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <sux> <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>!
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12:26<jhutchins_lt>gwejones: Your regular user owns the X display, so a GUI program running as root doesn't have permission to access it to display.
12:27<jhutchins_lt>gwejones: What most of us do is use a console text editor - vi, emacs, nano, etc.
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12:27<gwejones>okay will try yhose thx
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12:30<jhutchins_lt>gwejones: vi is good to learn, it's present on almost every installation and can be very powerful.
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12:32<lindi->you should not need to modify fstab in a desktop system though
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12:33<jhutchins_lt>lindi-: Sure you do. It's how you mount USB drives user-writable.
12:33<gwejones>jhutchins: okay i wanna edit fstab using vi. i tried 'vi fstab' while in the etc folder (im guessing now) but it didnt open the file. what is the correct argument? need to remove a line from fstab to get usb flash mounting correctly.
12:33<jhutchins_lt>gwejones: What did it do?
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12:35<lindi->jhutchins_lt: hmm?
12:35<lindi->jhutchins_lt: surely the desktop way is to let udisks do it
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12:36<__Alex_>gwejones Type "su -c 'vim.tiny /etc/fstab'", and on the line you want to delete, press 'd' twice, and then type ":wq"
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12:38<jhutchins_lt>__Alex_: Possibly :wq AFTER pressing ESC
12:38<jhutchins_lt>__Alex_: ALthough I suppose you didn't go into edit mode, it's just a habit.
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12:39<nasrullah>hi
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12:40<gwejones>okay it worked thx alex. i manged to edit and save fstab.
12:41<nasrullah>how to set up a Linux proxy server on Windows 7
12:41<gwejones>thanx sney. i removed the line from fstab and my flash drive is mounting now.
12:42<plus>"proxy for irc any help?
12:42<gwejones>cheers all:-
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12:46<IAmTheWalrus>it
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12:48<carbon13>list >10
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12:50<ompaul>na my lists can have hundreds in them
12:51<plus>"proxy for irc any help?
12:51<ompaul>plus: you mean how to get banned from the useful servers?
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12:53<plus>yeh
12:53<plus>the servers i wanna go i dont get that trouble :D
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12:54<wabbit1>Does anybody know which is the debugging symbols .deb package for : /lib/libnss_mdns4_minimal.so.2
12:54<wabbit1>gdb gives this error: Reading symbols from /lib/libnss_mdns4_minimal.so.2...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
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12:56<plus>ompaul, do you know anyway?
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12:57<nasrullah>thank u
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12:57<lindi->wabbit1: they don't seem to be available
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12:58<ompaul>plus: you want one, use mebbit as a web forwarding device, if you want a client to use one use irssi, if you stick those two words irc proxy into a search engine I'm sure you will find what you want
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12:59<ompaul>plus: and expect to find yourself getting banned from channels and servers fairly fast ;-)
12:59<nasrullah>any idea how to set up proxy linux sever on windows
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12:59<plus>ompaul, thanks
13:00<jhutchins_lt>nasrullah: Question does not parse, please ask again.
13:00<ompaul>nasrullah: see what jhutchins_lt said
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13:01<nasrullah>i want to run a linux server on windows
13:01<mom>which non-free driver is for nVidia Corporation NV17GL [Quadro NVS] (rev a3) to get 3d?
13:01<nasrullah>proxy
13:01<wabbit1>lindi: ok, will open bug report to ask why. thanx
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13:02<ompaul>nasrullah: your question does not make sense. What is the proxy to do, why is there a windows server in the mix? What do you really want to do (last time to ask).
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13:03<nasrullah>to set up a linux proxy server
13:03<jhutchins_lt>That's like saying you want to drive your car on a bus.
13:03<ompaul>nasrullah: now you said that, what do you want to proxy
13:03<ompaul>jhutchins_lt: or the other way around :)
13:04<plus>what command i will use to exit sudo ?
13:04<valdyn>plus: sudo exits as soon as the child exists
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13:05<plus>what you want to say with that?
13:05<ompaul>plus: ctrl D
13:05<valdyn>plus: run "sudo ls" and you will see that its done as soon as ls is done
13:05<plus>or crtl c
13:05<nasrullah>the ip connection
13:05<plus>tr00ls
13:06<ompaul>yes you are :)
13:06<plus>no one birth with all knowladge
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13:06<plus>im a beginner ? that a problem?
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13:07<plus>if you are so good
13:07<plus>go help anonymous!
13:07<plus>or lulzsec
13:07<plus>tr00ls
13:07<nasrullah>of course
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13:08<nasrullah>how to run squid on windows
13:08<plus>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzLAasLCnak
13:08<plus>look
13:08<plus>what tv is now showing
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13:09<plus>*not
13:09<plus>wake up!
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13:09<amphi>plus: what are you raving about?
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13:10<ompaul>nasrullah: you can put squid on windows, natively
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13:10<plus>amphi, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzLAasLCnak
13:10<ompaul>nasrullah: that means you don't need us, apt-get install squid is all we need to do and look at a howto
13:10<plus>what cnn dont show
13:11<amphi>plus: such stuff is offtopic - and who looks at cnn anyway?
13:11<plus>american people
13:11<plus>is a big stream media
13:11<nasrullah>thank u
13:11<amphi>plus: this is a debian support channel, not #grumble_about_tv
13:11<ompaul>plus: is that a debian support question
13:12<ompaul>if so I don't see a question mark
13:12<plus>bye!
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13:37<simula67>hello, my apt-get dist-upgrade fails with following error : dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libwildmidi-config_0.2.3.4-2.1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/etc/wildmidi/wildmidi.cfg', which is also in package libwildmidi0 0.2.2-3 configured to not write apport reports... can anyone help me?
13:38<simula67>its wheezy amd64
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13:39<valdyn>simula67: you can use "dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libwildmidi-config_0.2.3.4-2.1_all.deb"
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13:40<valdyn>simula67: bugs of this kind are somewhat common outside stable debian
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13:41<smellysocks>anyone know of a way of getting AirPlay support under Debian?
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13:42<valdyn>smellysocks: "apt-cache search airplay" yields nothing?
13:42<simula67>valdyn, thanks...
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13:43<smellysocks>valdyn: xmms2-plugin-airplay, but not sure what that is
13:44-!-mode/#debian [+l 515] by debhelper
13:44<valdyn>smellysocks: then read the package description
13:44<smellysocks>valdyn: can you get the description in the output from apt-cache ?
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13:45<valdyn>smellysocks: "apt-cache show xmms2-plugin-airplay"
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13:48<victor_uva>debian squeeze doesn't allow me to create new events in /etc/acpi
13:48<valdyn>victor_uva: events arent created in /etc/acpi
13:49<victor_uva>I created an event in /etc/acpi/events associated to a script created in /etc/acpi; after that, I ran as root "service acpid restart" and "/etc/init.d/acpi-support restart"
13:49<victor_uva>valdyn: I wrote it wrong; I created the event in /etc/acpi/events folder, and the script for this event was created in /etc/acpi
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13:50<valdyn>victor_uva: its only required to restart acpid, if at all
13:50<valdyn>victor_uva: but your problem is what then?
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13:51<victor_uva>the new event is not detected by the system (it's a script that controls the wifi led)
13:51<smellysocks>to install iceweasel on Debian you can use the Mozilla repo. Is there a similar repo for the Chromium browser?
13:52<valdyn>victor_uva: how do you know that such an acpi event was even emitted
13:52<victor_uva>the problem is not in the code written in the script nor the event, because I did an experiment: I made a security copy of a common event; then, I rewrote this event and its script with mine, and the wifi led worked
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13:52<victor_uva>so the code for the wifi led works
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13:53<victor_uva>so I suppose that the problem appears when creating an event that is not from the default system
13:53<valdyn>victor_uva: no, its something else
13:53<valdyn>victor_uva: ls -l /etc/acpi/events/your_event
13:53<valdyn>victor_uva: paste the output
13:54<valdyn>victor_uva: same for the 2 scripts
13:54<victor_uva>ok, just a sec
13:54<valdyn>victor_uva: i mean same for the other script and paste both scripts contents too
13:55<victor_uva>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 68 Sep 18 19:55 /etc/acpi/events/asus-wireless-switch
13:55<valdyn>victor_uva: use a paste site
13:56<victor_uva>ok
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13:57<victor_uva>valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/130812/
13:57<valdyn>victor_uva: and the contents of the scripts..
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13:59<victor_uva>the event: http://paste.debian.net/130813/
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13:59<victor_uva>and the script: http://paste.debian.net/130814/
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14:02<valdyn>victor_uva: can you get events printed when you run "acpi_listen"
14:02<victor_uva>yes
14:03<valdyn>victor_uva: paste the event literally too please
14:03<victor_uva>acpi_listen when I press the button: http://paste.debian.net/130816/
14:05<victor_uva>so is the content okay, isn't it? in fact, when I made the experiment before, I saw the led on and off when pressing the wifi button
14:05<valdyn>victor_uva: yea, looks good, but i dont see whitespace and newlines
14:06<valdyn>victor_uva: make sure both scripts dont end in an alphanumeric value but a newline
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14:06<valdyn>victor_uva: i cant really say if the even literal itself is ok, but you said you tested that...
14:07<valdyn>*event literal* even
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14:07<victor_uva>ending the script with a newline does not solve the problem
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14:08<victor_uva>it's funny, because for example:
14:09<victor_uva>I have a script whose name is asus-wireless.sh (created by the system) and asus-wireless-switch.sh (mine)
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14:09<victor_uva>imagina I change the firs one's name to "asus.sh"
14:09<victor_uva>imagine*
14:09<victor_uva>first*
14:10<victor_uva>and asus-wireless-switch.sh is renamed to asus-wireless.sh
14:10<victor_uva>and I write in my event "asus-wireless.sh" in action
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14:10<victor_uva>then the led works! and without doing "service acpid restart"
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14:11<valdyn>victor_uva: this is saying that the string is to long
14:11<valdyn>victor_uva: try asus.sh for your thing
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14:15<valdyn>victor_uva: but maybe its just some other "event" catching your keypress first
14:15<wp>wtf is gtk-gnash. ?
14:15<victor_uva>I'll try
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14:17<victor_uva>valdyn: I changed my script to "asus-led.sh" and change the action in event, restarted acpid and the led doesn't still work
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14:17<valdyn>victor_uva: ok then my last assumption is probably right
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14:18<victor_uva>there is a script that is supposed to make my led work, but it doesn't
14:18<victor_uva>I can remove it and try
14:18<valdyn>victor_uva: sure, but theres an event already catching your keypress too
14:19<victor_uva>but if I rewrite my event in a default one, it works
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14:19<victor_uva>if an event is catching the keypress, it shouldn't work what I just said, should it?
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14:21<victor_uva>I removed the default event that is supposed to make the led work, now my event is the one supposed to do it
14:21<valdyn>victor_uva: yes, unless you were overwriting just the right one
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14:22<victor_uva>I removed the one overwritten, restarted acpid and it doesn't still work
14:22<victor_uva>strange
14:22<wp>,kernels
14:22<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3)
14:23<wp>don't suppose anyone knows how long 3.0.0-1 will take to get in squeeze backports?
14:23<victor_uva>valdyn: so I don't know what else I can do :S
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14:27<wp>what's the difference between non-free and contrib?
14:28<ompaul>wp http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html
14:28<wp>ompaul: ta.
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14:29<ompaul>wp: you are welcome
14:29<wp>quick q. if i want to do a 'poor man's backup' can i get away with just backing up /etc and saving the output of dpkg --get-selections?
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14:29<aussa>hi, how do I enable usb 3.0 support in squeeze?
14:30<valdyn>!usb3
14:30<valdyn>!usb3.0
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14:31<valdyn>aussa: it should be on
14:32<aussa>well, it didn't worked, how do I checked it is working?
14:32<aussa>check*
14:32<victor_uva>valdyn: I found the problem; I'm using an Asus K52JU, Debian default install has three events and one script for wifi and led; two of the events are supposed to make the led on and off, and the third one controls the wifi. The script doesn't work properly
14:32<valdyn>victor_uva: nice
14:32<victor_uva>the solution: change the default script and put mine, and delete the two events that controls on and off for led
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14:33<victor_uva>because the on and off is written in the script
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14:33<ompaul>aussa: install lshw and then run it thus >> lshw | less << , it should identify the hardware for you, lsusb should also tell you lots
14:33<victor_uva>now I'm going to change the event and script's name to see if it works too this way
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14:34<wols>victor_uva: check what usb3.0 controller you have and then see from which linux kernel onwards there is a driver for it in mainline
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14:35<aussa>I'm getting this with lsusb: Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
14:35<ompaul>so it is there
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14:36<victor_uva>valdyn: yes, I changed the event and script's names, restarted acpid and it still works; so the problem was that there were three events called by the same button, two of them were wrong and the script didn't work too
14:37<victor_uva>thanks a lot, valdyn :)
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14:39<aussa>wols: how do I check what usb3.0 controller I have?
14:40<devil>aussa: lshw
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14:41<plus>someone with i2p here?
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14:42<plus>debian as firewall instaled?
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14:42<plus>for default?
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14:44<wols>aussa: lspci
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14:45<plus>debian as firewall instaled?
14:45<plus>for default?
14:46<wols>plus: pose a full question. in english please
14:46<wols>!pt
14:46<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
14:47<aussa>wols: 00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset USB2 Enhanced Host Controller (rev 06)
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14:47<wols>aussa: intel doesn't make any USB3 controller
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14:47<aussa>:S
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14:47<devil>not yet at least
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14:47<plus>i ask if debian have firewall installed for default
14:48<aussa>wols, 04:00.0 USB Controller: Fresco Logic FL1000G USB 3.0 Host Controller (rev 04)
14:48<wols>plus: no. why would it need it?
14:48<plus>i dont need it
14:48<wols>aussa: why do you paste this here?
14:48<plus>but im using i2p
14:48<aussa>sry
14:48<plus>and cant connect to server
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14:49<wols>plus: you can check on your own with iptables -L btw
14:49<MrFrood>wols: iptables/netfilter?
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14:49<MrFrood>don't that qualify as a firewall?
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14:50<wols>it's a packet filter. and unless you install stuff explicitly, there is no configuration where it would filter anything
14:50<wols>so debian has no "default firewall"
14:50<plus>thats my question thanks
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14:52<devil>LynxLite: STOP querying me!
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15:14<heinzes|2>Is it possible to install deb packages in a central location (eg. nfs server) and allow everone in a group to use them?
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15:17<lindi->heinzes|2: what are you trying to do?
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15:19<heinzes|2>lindi-: I'm trying to make software available for a number of people without having to install everthing multiple times (saves time and storage) and without losing the comfort of debian packages.
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15:19<lindi->heinzes|2: desktops?
15:20<heinzes|2>lindi-: yeah, workstations.
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15:22<lindi->heinzes|2: hmm, usually those have hundreds of gigabytes of hard disk space?
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15:25<ao2>heinzes|2, you keep the rootfs on NFS and share it for every workstation, look http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/NFS-Root.html
15:25<heinzes|2>lindi-: yeah, they have enough space, but the time is of more concern for me. also, software was installed using configure&&make&&make install, without having full rights in the systems. but that might be changeable if we could switch do debs.
15:25<ao2>this way you don't use the local disks, but maybe you could find a way to mount just /home per workstation
15:27<heinzes|2>ao2: that's an idea, thanks for the link. I think I have to play with that, as some workstations need different drivers (eg. nivida blob)
15:27<lindi->heinzes|2: hmm, it seems there are multiple issues :)
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15:28<heinzes|2>lindi-: yeah. basically I want to figure out first, if a central place to install packages if possible/feasible. then I can try the next steps
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15:28<lindi->heinzes|2: use use root on NFS to get rid of moving parts. but there I still keep separate root directories for all desktops
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15:29<lindi->heinzes|2: I would not recommend something like this just to save space since space is so cheap
15:30<heinzes|2>lindi-: but separate root dirs means still separate installs? or have you simplified/unified this somehow?
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15:30<lindi->heinzes|2: here it means separate installations yes
15:31<lindi->heinzes|2: how many desktops do you have?
15:32<heinzes|2>lindi-: ~20-25
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15:39<cwood>astartoth: fsck -c, I think. See 'man e2fsck'.
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15:41<secher>Heyas all. I've been away from Debian for a while, but I didn't think it was that long... If /etc/networks/interfaces is no longer the default network configuration file, then what is?
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15:42<devil>secher: who says its not?
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15:44<secher>devil: well, I've got it configured to set eth0 to static etc. etc. and when I boot, it does not bring up the interface, and when I run ifup, i get a message that ifup is deprecated... so I'm jumping a few conclusions, but that is what I'm understanding.
15:45<secher>'it' being /etc/network/interfaces and the second 'it' being init.d/networking
15:45<secher>I should be a bit more explicit in my descriptions.. sorry.
15:45<secher>so, running ifup manually does start eth1, however eth1 is not started on boot.
15:46<secher>I guess then my question is, what am I not understanding?
15:46<cwood>secher: plug your config into a pastebin?
15:46<cwood>Also check that you have the 'auto eth0' line for a static interface.
15:46<secher>one sec.
15:46<devil>right
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15:49<secher>Blargh.. auto lo, no eth1. Feh. btw eth0 is disabled, sketchy onboard NIC. frig.. I'm an idiot.
15:49<secher>brb, testing.
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16:49<deathwing>hi
16:49<deathwing>I'm unable to drag and drop files from Dolphin to Eclipse. Just wondering is the problem is on KDE or Eclipse (using KDE 4.6.5 on Debian 6.0.2.1)
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17:09<AquaL1te>the usual mirrors for the linux kernel are down and i can't find any other, can someone help me?
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17:10<wols>after the recent break in, kernel dev moved to github
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17:12<AquaL1te>thanks, but that site is like a maze
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17:14<AquaL1te>the latest 3.0.4 isn't there: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/downloads
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18:59<victor_uva>just a simple question: does the kernel provided in debian squeeze contain non-free software?
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19:00<Black_Prince>if you by non-free software mean non-free firmware, then answer is no
19:00<cwood>victor_uva: Not that I've heard. You have to download non-free binary blobs separately, for instance.
19:00<devil>no
19:00<victor_uva>as I saw that, for example, firmware-linux is separated in free and non-free, gstreamer-bad is separated in bad and really-bad
19:01<victor_uva>and, as I saw these things in some packages that used to contain non-free software, I was wondering if it happened the same with the linux kernel
19:01<devil>victor_uva: yes, for squeeze it was cleaned of non-free stuff
19:01<Black_Prince>victor_uva, gstreamer (debian multimedia stuff in general) isn't non-free everywhere. There are patent restrictions only in some countries
19:01<lindi->victor_uva: gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad has nothing to do with being non-free afaik
19:02<Black_Prince>lindi-, there is a part that depends on mjpeg that is split into gstreamer0.10-plugins-really-bad
19:02<Black_Prince>judd, versions mjpegtools
19:02<judd>Package mjpegtools on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 1:1.8.0-0.9; squeeze-multimedia: 1:1.9.0-0.7; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0.0-0.3; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.0-0.3
19:02<victor_uva>lindi- oh, I used to think that bad gstreamer was the non-free (maybe the names good, ugly and bad confused me)
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19:03<lindi->Black_Prince: hmm? there is no package named gstreamer0.10-plugins-really-bad in debian
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19:03<victor_uva>mmm just a sec
19:03<Black_Prince>lindi-, it's not in debian. It is in debian multimedia.
19:04<Black_Prince>Not so long ago, gstreamer0.10-plgugins-ugly was split into 2 more packages - gstreamer0.10-lame and gstreamer0.10-x264
19:04<lindi->Black_Prince: I'm sure there is plenty of non-free stuff in unofficial repositories :)
19:04<victor_uva>so would there be any difference between the Debian kernel and the linux-libre kernel? (apart from the newest version)
19:05<cwood>Um, diff them and see?
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19:07<lindi->victor_uva: I have run diff. they remote documentation that mentions non-free software
19:07<lindi->s/remote/remove/
19:08<victor_uva>so is the non-free firmware the only thing that was non-free in older versions of the kernel?
19:08<lindi->victor_uva: another difference is that linux-libre has not been packaged
19:08<victor_uva>mmm
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19:08<lindi->victor_uva: yes
19:09<victor_uva>these questions are just a curiosity matter :)
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19:09<victor_uva>it would be fun if I tried to use the less non-free software and then I was using it in the kernel without knowledge of it!
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19:10<lindi->victor_uva: well that bug was quite clearly documented :)
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19:11<victor_uva>(actually, I had to install firmware-linux-nonfree to make my radeon card work, but at least I installed it conciously)
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19:13<victor_uva>well, I have to leave, thanks for the answers, bye! :)
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19:13<Guest10802>hello
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19:14<q__>hello
19:14<q__>im q
19:14<q__>whats up
19:15<q__>yal
19:15<q__>hello
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19:15<MrFrood>!ask
19:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
19:16<q__>hello chattr
19:16<q__>im q
19:16<q__>can we chat
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19:16<chattr>q__: this is a support channel. if you have a problem|question, please tell us
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19:17<q__>i have a qwestion chattr
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19:17<q__>can i tell keep my version of linux butt wall updatting my kernal
19:18<cygnus>You can update the kernel independently of everything except its dependencies
19:18<devil>q__: linux is the kernel
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19:18<cygnus>So if you mean your version of Gnome or KDE, then yes
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19:19<q__>mien is the kled
19:19<q__>lubuntu linux 11.04
19:19<q__>is that kled
19:19<q__>of cd
19:20<Black_Prince>dpkg, ubuntu
19:20<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
19:20<q__>can some one kerrect me if im roung
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19:21<q__>hey chattr
19:22<q__>mien is lubuntu linux 11.04 what envirment is that klde
19:22<chattr>q__: if you're on lubuntu, you're asking in the wrong channel. no lubuntu support here
19:22<cygnus>kde.org
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19:24<q__>my bad sorry
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19:26<Niil78>Hola
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19:56<user001>hello guys!
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19:57<user001>I set up a debian server for my company with apache, roundcube, pureftpd (only tls connections) and icinga. What can I do to make my server really secure?
19:57<user001>Intrusion Detection? More/Better monitoring? What do I have to do to make the services really secure?
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19:58<Black_Prince>for lot better security - selinux ... But I don't think that it's really usable in stable.
19:59<funkyHat>user001: fail2ban is usually one of the first things I install on a new system. Perhaps take a look at that (you'll probably need to do some configuring to get it working usefully for your services, I think only the ssh jail is enabled by default)
19:59<user001>funkyHat: already done ;)
19:59<francisco>hi
19:59<user001>working with roundcube and all other services
20:00<user001>which firewall should I install? shorewall, or is there something better?
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20:00<Black_Prince>iptables is lowest level firewall ... I think that others are just front ends to iptables
20:01<Black_Prince>Althrough I may be wrong - I never used one since I am behind NAT
20:01<funkyHat>I like ufw. Just a nice, simple frontend to iptables that will probably support everything you want through it's own interface (and for stuff it doesn't support you can add it in the config files)
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20:01<funkyHat>*its
20:01<user001>ok. thanks, I will have a look at ufw
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20:04<user001>anyway. how can I make the daemons really secure? like apache, mysql, postfix and dovecot?
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20:05<Black_Prince>user001, I think I pointed to solution for that ...
20:06<user001>ok... selinux is the swiss army knife for security?
20:07<Black_Prince>It just secures services and apps ... allows them to do foo which they should do and denies to do bar which they should not or must not do
20:07<Black_Prince>from my point of view.
20:07<akerl>Assuming it's configured properly
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20:08<Black_Prince>of course.
20:08<Black_Prince>I tried it once on squeeze .... wasn't too friendly with gnome apps
20:08<cthuluh>selinux won't prevent your applications from being badly configured, though. just reading and applying documentation will do wonders, if you're looking for "secure" apps
20:08<Black_Prince>But I've seen that it has made some progress in sid
20:09<user001>thats interesting
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20:11<user001>ok, to summarize: 1) Read documentation on Services to make them secure 2) fail2ban for internet apps 3) ufw firewall as ipfilter frontend 4) SELinux to secure system
20:11<user001>thank you very much for your kind support
20:11<Black_Prince>and optionaly disk encryption to secure data
20:11<Black_Prince>for critical areas, of course ... (or for whole system)
20:11<user001>is there any good tool to help against ddos attacks?
20:12<Black_Prince>hardware firewalls?
20:12<Black_Prince>I think that should be done at ISP level ... but hey
20:12<user001>yes, ok
20:12<akerl>Basically, there's no way to stop the traffic from reaching you at your level, and once it reaches you, it can do bad things
20:13<user001>I have a cisco guard available at hardware level
20:13<akerl>...
20:13<akerl>That does nothing to protect from ddos
20:14<user001>ok. why does every one say so ,then?
20:14<akerl>?
20:14<akerl>Who is "everyone"?
20:14<user001>http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/modules/ps2706/ps6235/product_data_sheet0900aecd80220a7c.html
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20:14<user001>many it consultants
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20:15<user001>and csco, of course
20:15<akerl>user001: Yes, and that device can work to protect things lower in the chain from the effects of ddos
20:15<akerl>But it has to be part of the next tier up
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20:16<user001>so I still need a software against ddos attacks?
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20:16<akerl>Software can't help you.
20:16<ml|>user001: also, http://www.debian.org/security/faq http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/
20:17<user001>i will read the debian docs. thanks
20:17<akerl>Basically, the point of ddos is not to compromise your servers. The point is to saturate the available bandwidth. Regardless of what software, hardware, or kittens you have at your end, if the attacker sends enough data your way, it will saturate the link and prevent legitimate traffic, regardless of what your hardware/software does
20:18<user001>ok
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20:18<akerl>Even if you have a firewall that can identify 100% of the ddos traffic without incorrectly tagging good traffic, and that firewall drops all the bad traffic, it's still using bandwidth
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20:19<user001>even if the software won't crash and all devices run smotthly
20:19<user001>just because the bootleneck is the internet connection...
20:19<akerl>Yes
20:20<user001>can you recommedn any good books on making debian secure, aditionally to the online documentation?
20:21<akerl>Debian is secure. The vast majority of vulnerabilities come from services you run on top of debian. So you want to look for docs on those services, and secure them
20:21<akerl>For instance, no database listening on public IPs. No open mail relay. No ftp server. Secure your ssh properly, etc.
20:22<user001>thats another perspective. which quite makes sense
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20:23<user001>thanks a lot for the advice
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20:29<user001>How I can monitor the server to identify problems? is icinga sufficient, or do I need additional software?
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20:36<cygnus>user001: What kind of server and what kind of problems do you anticipate? If you're running a mail server, you may want to run fail2ban
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20:37<user001>yes. its a postfix + dovecot mailserver. I already configured fail2ban and it works.
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20:38<user001>but also, i will run apache + nginx as reverse proxy for multiple web pages which belong to the company
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20:40<user001>i just anticpate, that there might be a security hole in any service and it gets out of control so that the whole server gets compromised
20:41<user001>i just want to make sure, that I will be notified via sms and e-mail as soon as sth unnormal happens to the system
20:41<cygnus>That's always a possibility. Look at kernel.org
20:41<akerl>apt-get install magic
20:41<user001>hmm...
20:41<user001>lol
20:42<akerl>The only way you're going to get that kind of security is to unplug the server
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20:42<akerl>There is no way to filter "Anything unnormal -> send email"
20:42<cygnus>Hmmm, "magic is not installable." I must not have the right repo
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20:42<user001>try debian-heaven
20:43<akerl>cygnus: I forgot this was #debian. Try apt-get install libmagic
20:43<cygnus>hehe
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20:53<cygnus>user001: Have you looked at the Securing Debian documentation?
20:53<user001>yes
20:54<user001>i am reading it
20:54<matematiko>Hello allI have squeeze instal amd64 but my microphone does not work. Microphone works fine under windows 7 32 bits and unders Ubuntu 11 64 bits(Try, not installed). I did noticed that in Ubuntu under sound preferences/recording, I have "Analog Microphone" as an option, which once is selected the sound recorder works fine....I do not see that option on Debian 6.....Any suggestions? Thanks
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20:56<cygnus>matematiko: What is the output of "sudo lshw -C sound' ? paste it in paste.debian.net
20:57<matematiko>cygnus thx, let me see how to do that...just a minute
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20:59<matematiko>I am a little lost about "paste in paste.debian.net" but it says 'lshw: command not found
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21:00<user001>run it as superuse
21:00<matematiko>cygnus I am a little lost about "paste in paste.debian.net" but it says 'lshw: command not found' Sorry for the double post
21:00<user001>+r
21:00<cygnus>Did you use "sudo" ?
21:00<user001>cygnus: the interesting concept I just stumbled upon: chroot paranoia
21:00<matematiko>cygnus yes
21:00<cygnus>user001: I like the thing about printing all log messages to an actual printer. Hackers can't delete that :)
21:00<user001>unfortunately, the manual is from 2002. is it still modern to jail every daemon in a chroot?
21:01<user001>*g*
21:01<user001>yes ^^
21:02<cygnus>matematiko: ok, so "sudo apt-get install lshw"
21:02<cygnus>then the other command
21:03<bones_was_here>user001: chrooting daemons is useful, but only if the daemon runs as a user other than root: with root access, it is relatively easy to break out of a chroot
21:04<sney>most responsible daemon-able programs at least have the ability to drop down to nobody:nogroup after starting
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21:04<user001>sure, remember that from setting up gentoo in years ago... :) ah... in high school I had the time to waste time....
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21:07<matematiko>cygnus: ok lshw installed and have some output after 'lshw -C sound' but I will hate to paste here, what is this paste.debian.net
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21:07<cygnus>paste.debian.net is where you should paste it
21:07<cygnus>like I said
21:08<matematiko>cygnus: Yes...just do not know what it is...let me figure it out, sorry
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21:09<victoralejandro>hi
21:09<victoralejandro>hola compañeros!!
21:09<sney>matematiko: it's a website. go there in your web browser and it will be pretty obvious how it works
21:09<sney>!es
21:09<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
21:10<victoralejandro>ok
21:10<matematiko>cygnus: OK...that was a URL (duh!) I pasted there. Hope I did it right!!
21:11<sney>link your paste
21:11<matematiko>cygnus: http://paste.debian.net/130903/
21:11<cygnus>Yeah, I see your nick came up
21:11<cygnus>hmm, it appears to be recognized and has a driver associated with it
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21:13<cygnus>Oh wait, you said your microphone doesn't work
21:13<matematiko>cygnus: correct, Under preference does not show "Analog Microphone" as Ubuntu does.
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21:14<matematiko>cygnus: just front microphone, which I do not have, and capture, capture1,capture2 and digital as recording inputs
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21:14<cygnus>Did you try the front microphone option?
21:15<matematiko>cygnus: yes, to no avail
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21:17<cygnus>Can you run "alsamixer" in terminal and see if anything is turned all the way down?
21:17<user001>I will install the harden poackages. maybe in the harden-doc package I will find the intel I need :)
21:18<cygnus>Especially something labeled a mic
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21:23<matematiko>cygnus: Front mixer was down to zero even thou under "Volume Control" (left upper corner of screen) it was OK...Anyway , I bumbed under alsamixer but still no change
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21:23<matematiko>cygnus: Front Mic I meant
21:23<cygnus>You turned it up and tried recording?
21:25<Guest10813>I try
21:25<matematiko>cygnus: Yes, I am trying something else...hold on
21:26<cygnus>matematiko: There may also be a bar labeled "Capture". Make sure that's turned up
21:26<matematiko>cygnus: OK
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21:30<matematiko>cygnus: Yes it is up
21:30<cygnus>matematiko: Reason I'm stressing this is that when I've had trouble with the mic, that's what it was. It doesn't look like you have exotic hardware, just an Intel card
21:30<cygnus>Still nothing?
21:32<matematiko>cygnus: well, is SupremeFX II that came with the asus mobo, so is not built in in the mobo but neither is a card that can be found in Fry's shelves....So...It is weird...I will boot into ubuntu and see the output of the lshw command and see the alsamixer as well, thanks for all the help...I will be back in a bit..............no, nothing
21:33<cygnus>ok, good luck
21:33<matematiko>cygnus: Thanks a million
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21:35<user001>cygnus: I am now installing bastille for hardening the server
21:36<user001>why did they take it out of the repo?
21:36<cygnus>user001: Have you hooked up the printer yet? :)
21:36<cygnus>I don't know. I thought bastille hasn't been updated in years
21:36<user001>i am using the modern version: hooked up serial port to burner with automatical blank cd switcher
21:37<user001>:)
21:37<cygnus>That's so environmentally conscious!
21:37<user001>however, i needed to use a really old burner. the new are too fast!
21:38<user001>took some time to find one that can burn at max 1x
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21:38<user001>well... bstille supports debian up to 3.0 -.-
21:39<cygnus>Are you serious?
21:39<user001>thats why tthey took it out of the repo
21:39<cygnus>Yeah, I thought it hadn't been updated since 2008 or something
21:39<user001>why do they have it in the manual, then?
21:39<cygnus>Then manual written in 2002?
21:40<user001>well... at the bottom it states: version 3.11 from jan 2011
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21:41<user001>in the text however they wrote that they accepted the tool chrootuid in may 2002
21:41<user001>i misunderstood that
21:41<user001>however, why is there still bastille in the manual?
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21:43<cygnus>At the top, the last date it gives is 2007. There might have been minor edits since then which caused a script to update the date at the bottom
21:43<cygnus>Because who would manually edit the time down to the second?
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21:44<user001>yes. I guess you are right
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22:13<aussa>my laptop is not detecting a usb 3.0 hard drive, how do I check the controller is working?
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22:19<cygnus>aussa: When you plug it in, wait a few seconds, and type "dmesg | tail" do you see any references to a new device?
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22:56<aussa>cygnus, I did "dmesg | tail" and I don't know what I am seeing... :S
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23:02<cygnus>aussa: If you unplug the hard drive, run "dmesg | tail", then plug it in, wait a few seconds, and run "dmesg | tail", then if there's a difference, that's what you should be seeing
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23:03<aussa>cygnus, ok
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23:04<aussa>cygnus, it did not change at all
23:04<cygnus>Then your kernel is not recognizing it
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23:04<aussa>when I connect it to usb 2.0 it does detect it, is that normal?
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23:05<cygnus>I guess it doesn't know how to talk to the USB 3 port
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23:07<aussa>cygnus, any other check I should do?
23:08<cygnus>Are you using Debian Stable?
23:08<aussa>yes
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23:10<cygnus>Have you used that port before?
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23:14<shiloh>can anyone point me to a "hoe to" install nvidia non-free kernel and drivers?
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23:19<aussa>cygnus, no
23:20<aussa>cygnus, first time
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