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00:33<lindi->user001: most files in /usr are already only writable by root. chattr would not help
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00:34<user001>it might be potentially possible, that a rootkit wont be able to cope with the files if chattr -i 'd
00:35<user001>so its potenntially a security imüprovement
00:35<lindi->user001: not very good
00:36<lindi->user001: also chroot is just a different filesystem namespace. if you manage to get root inside it you can escape trivially
00:37<user001>not always
00:37<user001>there is a way to ensure that even superuser cant break out of a jail
00:37<user001>see http://www.porcupine.org/forensics/forensic-discovery/chapter6.html 6.6
00:38<th>o rly
00:38<lindi->user001: you mean using vserver patch?
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00:39<user001>yes
00:39<th>well then it's not just the usual chroot anymore
00:40<user001>then I articulated myself unprecisely, sorry
00:40<th>nah, nothing :)
00:41<user001>the point is that its possible to create jails to improve security
00:42<user001>without a complete virtual machine
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00:43<th>blurry area indeed. since vserver is in debian main repo, should be running in no time
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00:46<user001>I will now setup a test-machine in virtualbox using vserver with bind,, postfix, dovecot, apache, nginx and roundube - just to see how well it performs :)
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00:55<lindi->vserver is going away in the future I think
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00:59<user001>what are the alternatives?
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01:15<th>openvz? lxc?
01:15<user001>openvz is not an alternative to vserver
01:16<user001>however, lxc would be an alternative
01:17<user001>an option would be to combine lxc or vserver with a full virtualisation environment like openvz or xen for every service to achieve more security
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01:18<user001>probably not
01:18<user001>i can imagine it being replaced by lxc slowly
01:18<user001>because lxc has been included to the kernel
01:18<user001>while vserver is a patch to the kernel
01:19<user001>usually the project which is being integrated to the kernel, has a longer lifetime
01:19<user001>potentionally
01:20<user001>on the other hand, vserver exists for 10 years, while lxc is a quite yound project
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01:21<th>as long as the user-space part can be easily migrated between them...
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01:22<user001>i wouldnt migrate a running server as long as the current program runs as expected
01:23<user001>neither would anybody running production systems
01:24<user001>lxc is only fully integrated since squeeze
01:24<user001>but it seems to be better supported by now
01:25<user001>i will create a server using lxc in a virrtual machine
01:25<th>so, lxc is a better path
01:25<user001>not necessarily
01:25<user001>if you set up a new system, probably
01:25<th>...(for you)
01:25<user001>but there might be times you are dependent on vserver, i anticipate
01:26<user001>yes, for me lxc will be a better choice :)
01:26<user001>i guess
01:26<user001>will try them both first :)
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01:27<user001>ok
01:27<mo12>I am trying to install VirtualBox4 on Debian6 , i have followed the instruction here : http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads, virtualbox 4 doesnt show up in synpatic, only 3.2 does
01:27<mo12>help!
01:27<dba>user001: lxc doesn't work with squeeze out of the box, nor does it with wheezy or sid.
01:28<user001>there is one thing you cant do with lxz, you can with vserver: limiting hard disk usage
01:28<dba>user001: you a few patched packages.
01:28<zykotick9>mo12, fyi vbox4 is in debian backports
01:28<user001>but not a new kernel
01:28<jm_>mo12: you can get official packages of vbox 4 from backports
01:28<user001>packages are not the problem, but installing another kernel when using vserver is a deeper change in the system
01:29<mo12>thanks guys, i'll add backports to sources
01:29<dba>well, for squeeze you need a different configured kernel too if you want to make use of ram limiting features.
01:30<dba>otherwise, a container can use all ram of the whole machine (wich might or might not be what you want, depending on your use case).
01:30<th>http://virt.kernelnewbies.org/TechComparison
01:31<th>i guess this will be a choice between performance, isolation, and maintainability
01:32<mo12>adding deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main to sources didn't help
01:32<mo12>should i add contrib and non-free too?
01:32<th>apt-get update ?
01:32<mo12>i did update
01:33<mo12>now updating after adding non-free and contrib to the apt line, doubt if it'll help...lets see
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01:33<mo12>ok got it
01:34<zykotick9>mo12, i believe backports only has "main"
01:34<mo12>i was using "apt-cache search" to see if virtualbox 4 was available, the list doesnt mention the version number
01:35<user001>th: as far as i understand that table, only openvz can provide full control over cpu and memeory, or am wrong?
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01:35<jm_>you'll need to use -t squeeze-backports when installing packages from there
01:36<mo12>jm_ : i used synaptic, thanks for the info though, iam sure it'll come in handy :)
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01:37<user001>use aptitude -t squeeze-backports in a root shell
01:37<jm_>mo12: you no longer need the -ose package, just virtualbox now (and the rest you need of course)
01:37<user001>has a nice ncurses interface to providing you with the comfort of synaptics with better functionality
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01:42<mo12>theres no guest-addtions for 4.x ?
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01:49<user001>lxc seems to be insufficient. if you gain root in lxc, you got root on the whole box
01:49<user001>thats not with openvz or vserver
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01:51<jm_>isn't lxc more about resource isolation and control?
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01:53<user001>it was made by ibm to replace openvz and vserver with a more flexible alternative
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01:56<dba>user001: not true
01:58<dba>obviously, when using lxc, you want to make the container secure so that, unlike per current default, you /can/ evade the container when being root in it.
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01:59<dba>the next upload of lxc in debian will create secure configs by default.
02:00<user001>ok, i dont remember where I read that
02:00<dba>there was marcos FUD on planet at some point.
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02:57<deavid>after creating a chroot with debootstrap, which are the minimal packages to be installed ? i mean, whan i install Debian from CD without graphical environment, i get more packages installed than when i did the debootstrap.
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03:02<th>perhaps all packages with priority: standard
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03:19<sylverfox>hi all, after installing debian squeeze on my Dell Inspiron 1501 i have no sound, i tried googleing the problem, but didn't find a solution yet, could somebody help me please<
03:19<sylverfox>?
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03:19<jm_>!alsa checklist
03:19<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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03:22<sylverfox>jm_ thanks i give them a try
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03:22<jm_>sylverfox: but start by checking dmesg output and /proc/asound/cards
03:22<jm_>bleh, too late
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03:41<ivanov>^lut :)
03:44<user001>whats the fastest and most secure way to setup a server provding http imap and webmail to the user?
03:44<user001>using webmin + virtualmin?
03:44<user001>or any other control panel?
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03:45<babilen>what about no control panel at all?
03:45<user001>or doing it all manually?
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03:48<user001>i am struggling because there are so many options
03:48<babilen>what is your use-case? what are you trying to achieve?
03:49<babilen>!tell user001 -about webmin
03:49<user001>its a internet server for a company a work
03:49<babilen>!tell user001 -about free whcp
03:49<babilen>A single server which you administrate?
03:49<user001>yes, its a vps at a hoster
03:50<babilen>Just use ssh -- learning puppet/cfengine might be worth it
03:50<user001>but at your page babilen is virtualmin
03:51<babilen>my page?
03:51<user001>http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels
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03:52<user001>interesting - last week a book on puppet jumped into my eyes, but I did not go far with it - yet
03:52<babilen>Yeah, sure. There *are* control panels and some even aren't that bad as webmin seems to be. If *you* want to use it you are welcome to do so, I wouldn't though.
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03:53<user001>nono, I asked b/c I am looking for alternatives
03:53<user001>my problem is that I want to set up the server, but I am not sure how to make it safe.
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03:54<user001>I tried various settings using postmail, amavisd,, roundcube etc... apache2 in virtualmachines, but I still don't know if its secure enough
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03:56<babilen>That depends on your configuration -- The choice of software is a good one from what i can tell
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03:58<user001>yes. I am still uncertain how to configure them. I found dozens of howtos on the web. but not one clear guide.
03:59<user001>some tell me to use postgreyd for greylisting, others amavisd and for spam and virus filters, then there are so many different options
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04:00<user001>and I am really confused which packages to install. if there are so many which provide the same functionality
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04:10<user001>I am just afraid of doing some fatal error when doing it all by myself
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04:11<lindi->user001: what's "http imap"?
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04:13<user001>http is a protocol to server web pages and with imap you can access email concurrently with more than one device
04:14<lindi->user001: yes sure but they are separate protocols
04:14<user001>i know
04:15<user001>independent of each other
04:15<lindi->user001: I might apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 and then apt-get install dovecot in one domU and apt-get install roundcube in another
04:15<user001>yes
04:15<user001>you can configure roundcube to access the email on the other dom then
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04:16<davide>hi all
04:16<user001>and save your mail files on another server than the one you access them from
04:16<davide>i need an help
04:16<lindi->user001: then setup automated backups and remove network access to dom0
04:16<user001>and only allow access via ip rules to the roundcube dom
04:16<user001>have thought of that
04:17<user001>however not possible in my configuration
04:17<lindi->user001: no need to have any "ip rules" you can just have a separate network between the domUs
04:17<user001>ok
04:17<user001>unfortunately, I am having one single vps to serve all daemons
04:18<lindi->roundcube being php I would not put it to the same box yet :(
04:18<user001>and therefore can't split the services into more than one dom or virtual device
04:18<user001>ok
04:18<davide>is it possible automatic load firmware during pxe installation? I need this because i want an automatic installation with preseed
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04:19<user001>in future there will be more money for a dedicated server
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04:21<davide>is it possible automatic load firmware during pxe installation? I need this because i want an automatic installation with preseed
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04:22<sylux>hello
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04:22<davide>nobody know an answer to my question???
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04:22<sylux>i'm looking for installing mysql workbench for my debian/e17
04:23<sylux>on the website only ubuntu packages are available
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04:23<sylux>can i install it or must i take source and compile
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04:24<user001>i would compile and install, but havent tried the ubuntu package
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04:31<Bushmills>you better don't
04:31*green does whatever it is you warned someone not to do
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04:31<green>OH NO
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04:33<green>angry
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04:35<green>debian, being the good distribution that it is, uninstalled virtualbox ose
04:35<Bushmills>but not without prompting you
04:35<green>no
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04:35<green>I was mucking around with upgrades and trying to install flash
04:35<green>ultimately, it's my own fault
04:35<green>but... still weird that it decided to uninstall virtualbox, and also openoffice
04:36<Bushmills>conflict resolution in aptitude may have shown a solution to keep it
04:36<green>probably
04:36<green>I've lost my xp virtual machine anyway
04:36<green>that was only to run steam because wine isn't/wasn't working
04:36<green>I think... I accidentally upgraded to sid
04:36<green>from squeeze
04:37<Bushmills>real admins don't need backups. they can rewrite everything lost from scratch.
04:37<green>lol
04:37<green>eh I'm honestly not all that annoyed
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04:37<green>according to the software centre
04:37<green>virtualbox is still installed
04:38<green>it's just not showing up in the applications menu
04:38<Bushmills>residual configurations, probably
04:38<Bushmills>purge them, to get rid of them
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04:39<green>I'm pretty much a complete novice
04:39<green>I only learned how to go to su in terminal today
04:39<Bushmills>openoffice may have been replaced by libreoffice
04:39<green>damn libreoffice
04:39<Bushmills>no. damn "pressing enter without looking at the consequences"
04:39<green>it's like openoffice, but has issues with tables and also adds in pointless pages that you can't edit
04:40<green>yay consequences
04:40<green>I just had better get used to linux BEFORE I start learning to program in java
04:40<green>what
04:40<green>gunfire?
04:40<green>what's making thesse NOISESE?
04:41<green>I don't have a video playing... oh it's a live cast on justintv.. .sorry everybody, lets get back on topic
04:41<green>so, how do I purge my software centre thing
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04:44<Bushmills>!why aptitude
04:44<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Read the release notes and http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9.
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04:47<green>cool
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05:03<green>arg, now rednotebook isn't working anymore... oh well, I guess I'll try something else
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05:06<DocWolf>anyone awake?
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05:08<SynrG>not really. making coffee
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05:08<DocWolf>lol well got a question if you got a few?
05:08<DocWolf>mornin tho
05:08<SynrG>the protocol is just to ask, not ask to ask. fire away
05:09<tho>Hi DocWolf
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05:10<DocWolf>lol ok I noticed password uses md5 is there any ways or resources on how to use harder encryption such as 512 or better, I'm asking because I'm setting up a server and debating between debian and rh
05:12<EmleyMoor>I have a vm
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05:13<DocWolf>ok what do you need help with EmleyMoor
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05:13<EmleyMoor>I have a vm under qemu-kvm "running" wheezy - the whole thing seems to run very slowly even at BIOS level... but a vm for sid or any other system runs just fine... why would that be?
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05:14<EmleyMoor>(I use "running" because it more like crawls)
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05:15<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... CPU lockup reported in sid this time
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05:16<DocWolf>might be the image you got
05:16<jm_>DocWolf: you can configure it via files in /etc/pam.d - I don't remember if it can be done via dpkg-reconfigure
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05:18<EmleyMoor>DocWolf: Might be a lot of things - is there any diagnostic tool I could run against the image?
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05:18<EmleyMoor>Looks like I'm getting poor performance in sid now to
05:18<EmleyMoor>too
05:18<jm_>ahh it says to use pam-auth-update
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05:19<SynrG>DocWolf: yes, i believe it is supported through libpam
05:19<SynrG>oh. jm_ said the same
05:19<DocWolf>ok I'm trying to script all this for headless install
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05:19<jm_>the default common-password mentions that SHA512 is now the default
05:20<jm_>actualy no, I misread it - it might not be the default
05:20<DocWolf>ok I'm trying to script all this for a headless unit so now to figure out how
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05:21<jm_>yup /usr/share/pam-configs/unix adds sha512
05:22<DocWolf>ok do they offer anything higher then 512? I know RH offers 1028
05:23<jm_>which version of RH is that?
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05:23<DocWolf>centos 5.6 and 6
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05:23<DocWolf>I know rhel offers it as well but yeah screw paying for a os
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05:24<jm_>hmm man page for crypt is not very specific about what's supported
05:24<jm_>(on RHEL)
05:26<DocWolf>I learned of it via searching for centos hardening
05:26<jm_>and I only see sha512 listed in pam_unix module, nothing bigger
05:27<jm_>let's try and find 5.6 release
05:27<DocWolf>ok I could have sworn it offeres 1028 but I might be wrong might just be 512
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05:29<jm_>found rhel 6 and man page for pam_unix also mentions just sha512
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05:31<DocWolf>hmmj let me see if I can dig out the bash code
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05:32<SynrG>the only reference i found to 1024 is a speculative reference here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=60679
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05:36<green>help: synaptic package manager has frozen and Ineed to shut it down... how do I do that?
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05:36<Black_Prince>apt-get purge it ...
05:37<Black_Prince>then killall -9 synaptic
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05:38<green>and how do I do that?
05:38<green>what do I type?
05:38<green>apt-get purge synaptic?
05:39<Black_Prince>That wasn't meant ... I just wanted to say that you don't rely on it. Use apt or aptitude via cmd line ... And to kill it, use second command
05:39<green>right, I still don't fully understand what you mean by purging, but I'll just nod and kill the program
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05:40<Black_Prince>I meant "Don't use synaptic or gui frontends, use apt or aptitude or dpkg" ;->
05:40<green>but
05:40<green>why would they include gui frontends if we aren't meant to use them?
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05:42<DocWolf>there the easy way out and dont offer everything command line can
05:42<Bushmills>because some programs work better, and some not that well.
05:42<JuanDosSantos1991>Hello, I have Debian squeeze 6.0.2 and I installed open-iscsi, but now I have the problem that update-rc.d doesn't work with open-iscsi, why? I get always this message: update-rc.d -f open-iscsi defaults -> update-rc.d: warning: open-iscsi start runlevel arguments (2 3 4 5) do not match LSB Default-Start values (S)
05:43<green>great... well when giving advice on the command line... can you please stop giving me only half the instructions, it's quite frustrating. I don't want to be rude, but it's just something that cannot be avoided right now(me being rude).
05:43<SynrG>green: you can ignore Black_Prince. you're welcome to use it if you like. i think he was wryly pointing out the superiority of the commandline alternatives.
05:44<green>well my computer has gone into a funny lockdown type situation, so I'm going to restart
05:44<green>cya later
05:44<SynrG>if you do kill synaptic as indicated, you may end up with a lockfile hanging around that will prevent further updates until you manually remove it
05:44<SynrG>just beware
05:44<green>great
05:45<green>so will a restart fix that?
05:45<Black_Prince>And that are great gui programs :P
05:45<green>or do I have to remove it manually, because I'm pretty sure I have said lockfile
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05:45<SynrG>well, probably not. but it should tell you where the lockfile is in an error message ...
05:45<DocWolf>green try a restart first
05:45<SynrG>and then you can remove the offending file by hand
05:45<green>ugh
05:45<SynrG>i don't remember the lockfile names offhand
05:45<green>before I go, I think I should ask how I can delete a file from command line because I'm likely to require permissions to delete it
05:45<Black_Prince>/var/cache/apt/archives/lock maybe
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05:46<Bushmills>green: try killing without -9 first
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05:46<green>do you mean just pressing the x, or not including the -9?
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05:46<Bushmills>pkill synaptic
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05:46<Bushmills>if that doesn't kill the process, try pkill -1 synaptic
05:47<Bushmills>use -9 as last resort, if others fail
05:47<green>the process isn't running as far as I know
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05:47<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to interrupt a download in aptitude?
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05:47<green>restarting, I'll be back later
05:47<green>FUUUUUUUUUUU
05:48<green>I hope I didn't just rage out without actually having good reason to, but I appear to have either corruption, or a font problem, the shutdown menu is all SQUARES [] type squares, and I can't remember which button shuts down.
05:48<JuanDosSantos1991>What's means: open-iscsi start runlevel arguments (2 3 4 5) do not match LSB Default-Start values (S)
05:49<daemonkeeper>You probably have upgraded to Squeeze recently, but you kept your old init script
05:49<green>I did a complete upgrade to SOMETHING, don't know what... I really am not sure what I was doing
05:49<green>I think I upgraded squeeze to sid
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05:50<JuanDosSantos1991>No I installed debian squeeze, downloaded from debian.org 30minutes ago..
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05:50<JuanDosSantos1991>no upgrade
05:50<JuanDosSantos1991>only installed open-iscsi
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05:50<JuanDosSantos1991>and tried to start at init
05:50<JuanDosSantos1991>with update-rc.d command
05:50<daemonkeeper>Don't worry, you didn't anything wrong.
05:50<daemonkeeper>+do
05:50<JuanDosSantos1991>maybe I need to installed a package to let it work...
05:50<Black_Prince>JuanDosSantos1991, that is just a warning ... initscript is meant to be just in rcS but instead it used defaults
05:51<daemonkeeper>Its just the init script does not have the "S" run level in its LSB heder.
05:51<Black_Prince>meh ...
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05:51<JuanDosSantos1991>ye but why is no link in /etc/rc2.d
05:51<JuanDosSantos1991>It doesn't start at init
05:51<daemonkeeper>Use insserv for Squeeze.
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05:52<babilen>green: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy", "dpkg -l libc6|tail -n 1" and your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net please? Upgrading to squeeze wasn't really a good idea IMHO, why did you do that?
05:52<Black_Prince>s/squeeze/sid/
05:52<JuanDosSantos1991>daemonkeeper: also with insserv..no link under /etc/rc2.d
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05:53<Black_Prince>JuanDosSantos1991, maybe it's in /etc/rcS.d ?
05:53<babilen>green: I meant: "upgrading to sid" :)
05:53<JuanDosSantos1991>You are right: S18open-iscsi -> ../init.d/open-iscsi
05:53<JuanDosSantos1991>But why it doesn't start at init???
05:54<Black_Prince>JuanDosSantos1991, well try /etc/init.d/open-iscsi start and see if there are any messages that may help you. Some services are known to be disabled by default and you can enable them by dpkg-reconfiguring them or editing their files in /etc/default ...
05:55<JuanDosSantos1991>Black_Prince: open-iscsi is working fine with /etc/init.d/open-iscsi..
05:55<JuanDosSantos1991>Let's do another reboot...
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05:57<green>upgrading FROM squeeze
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05:57<green>oh it doesn't matter, I think I'll just do some sort of reinstall, I've messed this install up almost completely
05:57<Black_Prince>That's what you get when you do things that you do not understand.
05:57<babilen>green: Yes, do not upgrade to wheezy or sid but stay with the stable release.
05:58<Black_Prince>dpkg, sns
05:58<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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05:58<green>oh well, I haven't got any important stuff on this os anyway
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06:00<JuanDosSantos1991>hmm
06:00<JuanDosSantos1991>strange
06:00<JuanDosSantos1991>on boot I get: Sep 21 13:55:59 debian2 iscsid: cannot make a connection to 192.168.33.12:3260 (-1,101)
06:00<JuanDosSantos1991>Sep 21 13:55:59 debian2 iscsid: cannot make a connection to 192.168.33.11:3260 (-1,101)
06:01<JuanDosSantos1991>After the init is done and I run /etc/init.d/open-iscsi restart all is going fine
06:01<JuanDosSantos1991>lol
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06:01<Black_Prince>Well it is probably started before network interfaces ...
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06:02<JuanDosSantos1991>Ye but I don't think so...S18open-iscsi S13networking
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06:02<Black_Prince>Are your connectins manager by network manager or wicd?
06:03<EmleyMoor>Is there a "get a move on" signal I can send to a process?
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06:04<JuanDosSantos1991>lol now is working?!
06:04<Black_Prince>s/manager/managed/
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06:05<JuanDosSantos1991>And now not...sometimes works sometimes not..maybe the problem is on the target device..
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06:28<gob_bluth>any awk gurus? i'm trying to do a multiple substitution with this command: zmprov gqu $(hostname)|awk '$3>536870912 {sub (/@.*/, "",$1); print $1".label "$1}', but also substitute '.' for '_' for field $1
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06:31<babilen>gob_bluth: Try #awk on freenode
06:31<gob_bluth>wow there's an awk chan? haha! it's okay, i think i've solved it by using tr after the zmprov pipe
06:31<Cozminsky>gob_bluth: real friends don't let people use zimbra, and I would think sed would be better
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06:32<gob_bluth>Cozminsky any alternatives ?
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06:34<Cozminsky>gob_bluth: for groupware, sogo might be suitable, if you're just after email I'd just deploy postfix/exim + dovecot/cyrus/courier with ldap/rdbms/flat file for user config
06:36<gob_bluth>Cozminsky, i value my free time, zimbra's actually really great until you have to scale beyond a single server
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06:36<koollman>or until you have some huge mailboxes :/
06:36<gob_bluth>has dovecot fixed that annoying imap 'feature' where a folder directory can't hold mail ?
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06:37<gob_bluth>koollman, we have some 20G mailboxes and it's humming alone fine
06:38<unxbm3r1>hello
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06:38<Cozminsky>gob_bluth: not sure what you mean by a folder directory not being able to hold mail
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06:38<unxbm3r1>anybody got mysql55 deb packages for squeeze?
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06:39<gob_bluth>cozminsky: the imap4 set dovecot, at least in lenny, you specify a folder as either a parent for other folders or a folder for mail. this is using maildir though
06:39<gob_bluth>anyway, not sure why no love for zimbra, it's great and cheaper than exchange !
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06:41<Black_Prince>because there are free alternatives?
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06:41<Cozminsky>gob_bluth: I've just had a lot of problems with it at work, it seems over engineered in a lot of places and really inflexible where you'd like to be able to fix it
06:42<koollman>gob_bluth: resource usage is kind of a problem
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06:42<eso24>hola
06:43<gob_bluth>Black_Prince, Zimbra's free, koollman, howso? it's essentially packaged linux daemons with a shiny web gui
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06:44<Cozminsky>unxbm3r1: I don't think that mysql 5.5 has been packaged by debian at all, let alone backported
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06:45<Cozminsky>gob_bluth: they've still packaged it in an awful way, modified most of the software they're actually using so you can't use the standard upstream, etc.
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06:46<gob_bluth>Cozminsky: come on, that's not very substantiated, it's different directories and they all interface via localhost. if you were to do the same thing by hand you would likely do the same thing
06:46<gob_bluth>i prefer exchange anyway above everything :p
06:46<unxbm3r1>Cozminsky: thanks
06:46<koollman>gob_bluth: I'm referring mostly to the java servlets part
06:46<unxbm3r1>Cozminsky: so i gotta pretty much build it and package it myself?
06:48<Cozminsky>unxbm3r1: there might be something in version control somewhere, but otherwise yeah
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06:49<Cozminsky>gob_bluth: I'd be happy to rabbit on further on #debian-offtopic
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06:52<gob_bluth>Cozminsky: it's okay, i should get back to work. you still can't beat integrated mail solutions without investing inordinate amounts of time configuring each service by hand. yech, i'm too lazy for that.
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06:53<Cozminsky>gob_bluth: fair enough
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06:53<gob_bluth>i want to be paid the most for the least amount of work possible ;)
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06:54<Cozminsky>gob_bluth: I've just found that zimbra increases my work because we already have ldap/smtp/imap/etc. services
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06:55<Cozminsky>gob_bluth: and it can't use any of them because it insists on doing its own blockheaded thing
06:55<gob_bluth>Cozminsky: not zimbra's fault you're using the wrong tool then
06:56<Cozminsky>gob_bluth: not my fault product management tried to integrate with zimbra just because they wanted groupware
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06:59<Cozminsky>unxbm3r1: seems some work has been done on mysql-5.5, http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-mysql/
07:00<gob_bluth>Cozminsky: heh sorry buddy i feel your pain
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07:21<urso>!list
07:21<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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07:21<urso>perchè
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07:23<wols_>urso: you italians need to learn how to use IRC. and not every channel has warez bots
07:23<urso>tank
07:24<wols_>!it
07:24<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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07:32<murugan>hi
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07:42<eshat>Pulseaudio problem: when chromium is started, my vlc has no sound output, any idea?
07:42<deavid>why some libs are placed inside /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu instead of /usr/lib ? if this directory changes from arch to arch, how i may detect this folder name?
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07:50<jm_>deavid: multiarch support
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07:51<deavid>jm_: i guessed it was about multiarch, but where i can read about that structure?
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07:53<jm_>eshat: did you try changing the audio output device in VLC?
07:53<eshat>jm_: is set to default, so I guess pulseaudio
07:53<jm_>deavid: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec
07:54<eshat>jm_: but yes, I tried, but that had no change,... maybe flashplayer is blocking th device ?
07:54<jm_>eshat: but wouldn't that mean that nothing else would be able to produce sounds?
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07:54<eshat>jm_: what, pulseaudio?
07:55<jm_>eshat: no if flash is blocking the device
07:55<eshat>I don't know, I asked if it does
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07:55<eshat>how to check if it is blocking ?
07:55<jm_>apparently new versions of flash can use pulseaudio
07:56<jm_>try with a simple tool like aplay or somesuch
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08:02<quant>hello, is there a way to install a newer version of Pidgin in Debian Squeeze (other than compiling the source)?
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08:03<daemonkeeper>judd: versions pidgin
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08:03<judd>Package pidgin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.10.0-1+b1; wheezy: 2.10.0-1+b1
08:03<daemonkeeper>No, but you can try to backport it.
08:04<quant>to make a backport myself?
08:04<daemonkeeper>Yes, its not that hard
08:04<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell quant about ssb
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08:06<quant>oh, so you mean to backport it for myself from sid... that usually works?
08:07<jm_>yes, but the amount of work needed can differ a lot
08:07<quant>ok, I'll try that what I got from dpkg
08:07<quant>those instructions
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08:08<quant>Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!) - how do I do that?
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08:09<quant>i.e. what does the line look like?
08:11<anbe>!tell quant about deb-src sid
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08:15<juste>hello, during the debian testing installation on a laptop, there was a message about some firmware missing. I wrote it down but it seems i lost my notes. Is there any way to know what firmware is missing now?
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08:16<jm_>juste: check your logs - it's probably a message from a driver
08:16<jm_>cd /var/log && zgrep -i firmware *
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08:18<juste>thanks jm_
08:18<jm_>juste: no worries
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08:38<anbe>juste: you can also run 'update-initramfs -u' - this will refresh your initrd and print the firmware warnings again
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08:50<quant>ok, following the instructions to make my backport for pidgin... when I run this: aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; - wouldn't that just do it for the version that it's in the Squeeze? I want the Sid version
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08:51<wols_>!ssb
08:51<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
08:51<wols_>depends if the deb-src line for sid is the only one in your sources.list. and you can always use -t unstable
08:52<quant>it's not the only deb-src line, I have the default one for Squeeze
08:52<themill>quant: pidgin is not trivially backportable by following those instructions. You will need to do a lot more work on the package to handle the libgadu dependency
08:53<quant>now you say it :) I had somebody instruct me to follow this route 15 minutes ago
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08:54<quant>themill, as the "no SSL" trick doesn't work for me to get Pidgin to connect (2.7.3), can you recommend me an easy option to get a newer version running on my system?
08:54<themill>I've never used pidgin so I can't tell you anything more about it. All I did was check its build-deps
08:55<wols_>themill: what's so hard about libgadu3? and cannot one simply disregard it unless one is polish?
08:55<themill>wols_: "Build-Depends: libgadu-dev (>= 1:1.11.0-2)". I can't tell you why it has a versioned build-dep like that, but the maintainer obviously found it to be necessary.
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08:56<quant>so compiling from source from the program's site wouldn't work either?
08:56<wols_>well, gaddu gaddu is a polish IM network, no one cares about in the rest of the world (afaik). and libgadu3 has very basic requirements itself (TLS, zlib)
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08:56<quant>I don't need gaddu
08:57<wols_>quant: we cannot know that. it might or might not. I'd try the debian way first. maybe with some debian/ editing
08:57<themill>So if you muck about with debian/control to remove that build-dependency that might be enough; you might need to remove options from debian/rules too
08:57<wols_>aftetr you got the source, use "dpkg-buildpackage" in the directory. more useful if you have to change stuff first
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08:57<wols_>e.g. no -b with apt-get source
08:58<quant>ok, I'll try these later, thanks all again
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09:17<bkhero2004>Hello, iam a newbie in linux / debian. Can me somebody help please
09:17<helty>with what? :)
09:18<arand2631>??
09:18<bkhero2004>oh, hi :-) I need help by configured my graphic chip. Everytime wehn i restart debian my Graphic changes are away
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09:20<bkhero2004>i.e. Display -> Size or Position of my 2 monitors
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09:24<wols_>bkhero2004: which videocard, which video driver?
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09:25<bkhero2004>My videocard is Geforce 310M
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09:25<bkhero2004>I use the driver from debian setup. I dont know where I check the driver
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09:27<wols_>then xrandr should do it. you said "my graphics changes". how do you do these changes?
09:28<wols_>and: glxinfo | head -n 10 should tell you the driver (among other things). it should be nouveau
09:28<greger>Hullo boys and girls. I seem to have quite a problem, and is hoping that you could help me. I can't get my USB speakers to work. I see the device when I run lsusb, but it does not show up in alsamixer or suchlike.
09:29<bkhero2004>sorry, With graphic changes i mean the display changes. I change the Display Size and after restart the size is by default.
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09:30<rigved>greger: not that i know much about USB speakers, but are you sure that you have the correct drivers for them?
09:30<wols_>bkhero2004: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to paste.debian.net please
09:31<bkhero2004>root@webgo24-basti:/home/basti# glxinfo | head -n 10
09:31<bkhero2004>No protocol specified
09:31<bkhero2004>Error: unable to open display :0.0
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09:31<wols_>bkhero2004: is this a VPS or such server?
09:31<bkhero2004>The Xorg.0.log has 571 entries. Wich do you need?
09:32<bkhero2004>its my local notebook
09:32<wols_>I need a paste of the full file at paste.debian.net
09:32<greger>Actually, no. Although I'm not sure where I would go hunting for drivers; the manufacturers homepage does not help with that at all
09:33<wols_>greger: what is the USB ID?
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09:33<greger>0d8c:0103
09:34<greger>If the numbers in lsusb is what you mean
09:34<bkhero2004>http://paste.debian.net/131388/
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09:34<greger>0d8c:0103 C-Media Electronics, Inc. CM102-A+/102S+ Audio Controller is the whole line
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09:35<wols_>bkhero2004: what is the native res of your laptop display?
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09:37<wols_>bkhero2004: seems nouveau (the driver), doesn't know about your 1600x900 display. maybe use the proprietary nvidia drivers? /msg dpkg nvidia dkms for an explanation how to install and use them
09:37<wols_>on the upside, powermanagement should be a lot better then. and you get 3D acceleration
09:38<juste>what happens when some packages have been kept back, and are not upgraded?
09:38<wols_>!kept back
09:38<dpkg>from memory, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 Ask me about <full-upgrade>.
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09:39<juste>!full-upgrade
09:39<dpkg>full-upgrade is the new name for "dist-upgrade" in aptitude from Lenny onwards. Remember that "dist-upgrade" is not about moving from one release to another but installing new packages (ask me about <dist-upgrade>); read man apt-get carefully. Some security fixes will require a "full-upgrade" not just a "safe-upgrade" to apply. Ask me about <why not dist upgrade> <dist-upgrade> <safe-upgrade> <apt-listchanges>
09:40<bkhero2004>I want for the notebook display the size 1600*900 and for the vga monitor 1920*1080
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09:41<skilz>I use the Nvidia proprietary driver, works fine!
09:41<wols_>bkhero2004: I suggest using the nvidia drivers and then install and run nvidia-settings
09:41<skilz>Also great 3D acceleration
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09:43<rigved>greger: uplug the USB speaker and check your /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages at the exact time that you connect the speaker back in. do you get any messages saying "failed to load xxx module"?
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09:44<skilz>I'm also running dual monitors, 1x24"+1x19"
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09:44<juste>!why not dist upgrade
09:44<dpkg>If you're going to use apt-get dist-upgrade (or aptitude full-upgrade), when you run the command, you need to make absolutely sure that it isn't going to remove anything you actually want to have installed. If it does, use apt-get install to install specific packages that have been held back on apt-get upgrade, and only allow upgrades that don't remove things that you want. Ask me about <pinning> <hold> <unmarkauto>.
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09:46<themill>juste: you can also just "/msg dpkg why not dist-upgrade"
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09:47<bre>re. can mod_rewrite only be used to forward urls to other urls or could I redirect for install all content from http://www.asf.com/WebProject to http.//www.asf.com/ ?
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09:47<juste>themill, sure, i am sorry.
09:47<bre>for instance
09:48<rpetre>bre: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/rewriteguide.html - you may want to read that, in addition to the official reference
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09:48<bre>k thanks
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09:50<skilz>Is there any way I can make webpages load faster like google ect? would squid help? my setup is internet > (ppp0) Debian Box > (eth0) [router] (eth0) < Debian Client
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09:52<kop>skilz: First thing to check is your dns server response time. Switch to 8.8.8.8 and use google's or run your own caching dns server. After that worry about caching web pages with squid.
09:52<kop>skilz: And don't cross post at freenode.net.
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09:54<wols_>bkhero2004: I told you: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms
09:54<wols_>bkhero2004: you managed to message me, so I know you can do it
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10:26<dhone>oi
10:26<dhone>seu viado
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10:27<Erbureth>!es
10:27<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:29<kellar>!yiddish
10:29<kellar>someone should fix that.
10:29<weasel>kellar: you can.
10:29<kellar>oh?
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10:30<dhone>oi
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10:31<gruetzkopf>!de gruetzkopf
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10:31<gruetzkopf>!de
10:31<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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10:31<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell gruetzkopf about selftell
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10:32<bre>Hello all. I use RewriteRule ^(.*)$ /WebProject/$1 to forward all root sites to the subfolder WebProject but the problem is that it redirects it as well in the browser which I do not want.
10:33<bre>rewrite instead of redirection
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10:33<dhone>oi
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10:34<dhone>oi
10:34<Erbureth>!es
10:34<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:34<Erbureth>dhone: ^
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10:35<dhone>oi
10:35<bre>somebody?
10:36<dhone>oi
10:37<kellar>!selftell
10:37<dpkg>Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot>
10:37<Erbureth>bre: could you show us the site?
10:37<bre>Erbureth: http://91.137.72.169
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10:38<Erbureth>bre: 404
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10:38<bre>hmm
10:39<dhone>oi
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10:41<bre>good
10:41<dhone_>OI
10:41<dhone_>OI
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11:00<Dorz>hi all
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11:04<tjader>Do I have to reboot after installing linux-firmware before drivers can load their firmware?
11:04<cahoot>reload the modle(s)
11:04<cahoot>modules
11:05<babilen>(modprobe -r MOD ; modprobe MOD)
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11:05<bre>ok
11:06<bre>thanks for the help before, moonart.dyndns.org is working now
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11:09<tjader>thanks
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11:13<treitter>when I build a package from source (gnome-shell), it picks up libpulse-glib-mainloop0 as a dependency (this doesn't exist; the real package is libpulse-mainloop-glib0). It looks like that's getting pulled in by ${misc:Depends}. How can I debug where its value is coming from?
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11:17<lindi->treitter: what version of gnome-shell?
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11:19<treitter>lindi-: it was 3.0.2-3 (I added an entry for 3.0.2-3+treitter1 so I can tell my build apart)
11:19<lindi->a sec, my local mirror only has -1
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11:28<ansgar>treitter: It's a bug in pulseaudio.
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11:29<ansgar>treitter: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=639892
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11:30<treitter>ansgar: ah, thanks!
11:31<treitter>ansgar: but is there any direct way to figure that out in the future, or do you have to just go through the deps one by one to figure that out?
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11:31<ansgar>treitter: There a $package.symbol and $package.shlibs files in /var/lib/dpkg/info which tell which package contains which library.
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11:32<ansgar>treitter: If the dependency is invalid, it would be due to an error in those files.
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11:33<ansgar>treitter: man deb-shlibs, man deb-symbols for more information on these files.
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11:35<treitter>ansgar: ah, so I see. Thanks!
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11:58<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, it occurs to me that on a machine running mdadm RAIDs running 'mdadm --detail --scan >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf' hourly or something would be a good idea. Is there any reason not to do this or why it is unneccessary. I often forget when replacing devices and so forth to run that.
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11:59<rpetre>it's unnecessary, arrays don't change uuids when changing drives in them
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12:00<rpetre>also if you change mdadm.conf you should update the initramfs too
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12:01<jesus>hola buenas tardes
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12:03<amphi>!es
12:03<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:31<retrospectacus>good morning debianers
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12:35<babilen>o/
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13:07<jose>ola?
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13:23<sylux>hey !
13:23<retrospectacus>wat!
13:23<sylux>I'm trying to install mysql workbench from source but at make i've got an error
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13:24<sylux>i'll give it in one short moment
13:24<babilen>sylux: We do not believe you. Please provide proof and additional information on http://paste.debian.net
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13:27<sylux>babilen: you want all the lines error...?
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13:28<babilen>whatever you deem relevant
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13:30<SOUSA>OLA
13:30<SOUSA>ALQUEM PODE ME AJUDAR
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13:31<SOUSA>COMO FAZER PRA O PC FICAR SÓ COM XUBUNTU
13:31<gruetzkopf>!portugese SOUSA
13:31<gruetzkopf>!pt SOUSA
13:32<gruetzkopf>how is that command called
13:32<SOUSA>OLA
13:32<retrospectacus>!pt
13:32<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
13:32<SOUSA>COMO FAÇO ISSO
13:32<SOUSA>SOU LEIGO
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13:33<retrospectacus>dpkg: pt
13:33<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
13:33<retrospectacus>!xubuntu SOUSA
13:33<SOUSA>ISSO
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13:34<gruetzkopf>grr
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13:36<SOUSA>ALGUEM TA AI
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13:38<babilen>SOUSA: Please go to #ubuntu-br or #ubuntu-pt on irc.freenode.net -- This channel provides Debian support in English and you are wrong here.
13:38<SOUSA>DIZ
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13:50<sylux>http://paste.debian.net/131442/
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13:59<roman>привет
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13:59<babilen>!ru
13:59<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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14:01<roman>а по русски кто нить че знает?
14:02<retrospectacus>!ru
14:02<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
14:02<babilen>roman: Or speak English in here
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14:09<sylux>I dont know which dependence is missing....
14:09<liquuid> /join #debian-br
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14:23<ASCC>Hi
14:23<ASCC>I have an issue with networking on my Debian Squeeze
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14:24<retrospectacus>ASCC: go ahead. Please provide as much detail as possible. Use http://paste.debian.net for large blocks of text e.g. your interfaces file.
14:25<ASCC>Ethernet networking was automatically configured on my old house network, I moved in to my new's house network and I can't connect to it
14:25<anbe>sylux, http://bugs.debian.org/604174 has an ITP for the mysql workbench and a link to a vcs repository and patches ... that should get you to build a Debian package for it
14:26<Bushmills>ASCC: reconfigure house
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14:26<retrospectacus>ASCC: run ''dhclient eth0'' as root (if eth0 is your ethernet device)
14:27<ASCC>okay
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14:33<sylux>anbe: that's what i'm looking for which debian package is missing ....
14:37<anbe>sylux, http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-mysql/mysql-workbench/trunk/debian/control?revision=1960&view=markup - install everything that is listed in the Build-Depends line
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15:33<sylux>ok i found it i install python-all-dev package and launch again ./configure and make and now its spind good..
15:34-!-mode/#debian [+l 508] by debhelper
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15:34<cajac_>I have a problem configuring thttpd to serve a simple index.html on a LAN; I'm running Debian squeeze (stable) . When I run thttpd I get a webpage showing my home directory as a html page. I expected it to show the index.html that is in /var/www. I use default config file which afaik chroots /var/www so I don't understand how it can still show my home directory ??
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15:38<lindi->cajac_: how are you starting it?
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15:39<cajac_>I ran sudo thttpd
15:39<lindi->cajac_: sudo /etc/init.d/thttpd start
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15:42<cajac_>this is strange i did sudo /etc/init.d/thttpd stop, but i can still access the forementioned webpage.
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15:43<jhutchins_lt>cajac_: ps ax, find the process, or pkill thttpd (sudo of course).
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15:46<skessa>!wine
15:46<dpkg>Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are not supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See <newer wine>.
15:47<cajac_>ok, I killed the process succesfully, no connection to server. But now it won't start :)
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15:49<andy>I was wondering if someone could help me set the wireless up on my printer?
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15:55<retrospectacus>andy: that's not a debian question
15:56<cajac_>I rebooted my system. But unfortunately thttpd is still not starting
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16:00<cajac_>Ok. I ran sudo thttpd and now it is working. thanks.
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16:04<htpc>sup all
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16:04<htpc>did anybody try Plantronics Voyager Pro+ and Sky ?
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16:06<htpc>anybody plz ?
16:06<ysonokosan>is there a help channel for debian?
16:06<htpc>yeap
16:06<htpc>join #debian
16:06<retrospectacus>ysonokosan: you're looking at it
16:06<ysonokosan>thats this channel XD
16:06<ysonokosan>thanks
16:07<htpc>k my bad wrong window
16:07<htpc>btw sinse ubu is a debian based
16:07<ysonokosan>i still dont fully understand linux, and i am using debian. How do i use the /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf:?
16:07<babilen>ysonokosan: What are you trying to do?
16:07<htpc>did anybody got working Plantronics Voyager Pro+ with skype ?
16:07<ysonokosan>i need to use the command someway to open a config file and insert a command line
16:08<babilen>htpc: be the first and what did you mean by "sinse ubu is a debian based" ?
16:08<babilen>ysonokosan: Why?
16:08<ysonokosan>this is the line i need to put into the config file: options snd-hda-intel model=ideapad
16:08<ysonokosan>It will fix my soundcard problem...
16:09<htpc>babilen from Ubuntu web "Commercially sponsored Debian-derived Linux distribution"
16:09<babilen>ysonokosan: I would rather recommend to edit the file in which snd-hda-intel is already configured. ( /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf )
16:09<htpc>but it doesn't really matter
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16:10<Bushmills>,versions skype
16:10<judd>Sorry, no package named 'skype' was found in i386.
16:10<babilen>Bushmills: Download it from skype directly (will probably never be in Debian)
16:10<ysonokosan>so type in "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf" into console and the config file should come up?
16:10<htpc>yeap from Skype web
16:10<Bushmills>why should i? i have no interest in skype.
16:11<babilen>ysonokosan: No, you would open the file in an editor. Have you already used one?
16:11<ysonokosan>i hear i can use nano
16:11<ysonokosan>how do i get to it with nano?
16:11<babilen>Bushmills: Ah, well, wrong interpretation then.
16:11<babilen>ysonokosan: But you have not used nano before?
16:12<Bushmills>that was wrt "htpc: did anybody got working Plantronics Voyager Pro+ with skype ?"
16:12<Black_Prince>babilen, as SynrG stated once, package installed config files should not be edited to avoid upgrade differences.
16:12<htpc>Bushmills yeap that what i asked for
16:12<Black_Prince>Using /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf or /etc/modprobe.d/snd-intel.conf would be better ...
16:12<ysonokosan>i did, i am just so new i dont remember how to do it...
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16:12<babilen>Black_Prince: yay, correct :)
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16:12<Black_Prince>ysonokosan, nano /path/to/file ...
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16:13<Black_Prince>ysonokosan, to edit files outside your home directory you should become root ...
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16:13<ysonokosan>ok, how do i find the path to file? also i am root at the moment
16:13<babilen>ysonokosan: You have to run that as root/with sudo though. And (as Black_Prince correctly noted) you might want to edit /etc/modprobe.d/snd-intel.conf
16:14<cajac_>ysonokosan: sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/snd-intel.conf
16:15<babilen>ysonokosan: The easiest way is probably to run: echo "options snd-hda-intel model=ideapad" > /etc/modprobe.d/snd-intel.conf
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16:15<babilen>ysonokosan: That will redirect the output of echo (i.e. options snd-hda-intel model=ideapad) to the /etc/modprobe.d/snd-intel.conf file
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16:16*Black_Prince suggests using >> when echoing something just in case file exists ... > could overwrite everything ...
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16:17<kustin>olaa
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16:18<kustin>tiio aki no abla ni dios ¬¬
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16:22<cajac_>man thttpd
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16:23<ysonokosan>Problem solved, thank you the help folks.
16:23<babilen>great
16:23<ysonokosan>I copied the convo for later reference if no one minds.
16:24<babilen>no problem
16:24<ysonokosan>Have a great day!
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16:35<glow_wolf>Do i need to set anything or install something to get the swapfile to work in Squeeze?
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16:36<retrospectacus>glow_wolf: not if you set it up during installation
16:36<retrospectacus>does "free" say you have swap?
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16:38<glow_wolf>Well im reinstalling I had it setup with a swapfile but my system never usedit and my mouse would stop working
16:39<retrospectacus>ok... so what's your question
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16:39<glow_wolf>the pointer would go up and down but not left
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16:39<glow_wolf>I checked with top
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16:40<glow_wolf>It was always zero
16:40<glow_wolf>The swap file
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16:41<retrospectacus>again, what is your question now?
16:41<glow_wolf>Is there a way to set the size?
16:41<glow_wolf>Just that
16:41<retrospectacus>you need a swap partition or file, you need to run mkswap on it, and set up /etc/fstab to use it
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16:42<retrospectacus>the size will be the size of the partition
16:42<glow_wolf>Are there any guides for that?
16:42<retrospectacus>almost certainly
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16:43<retrospectacus>!tell glow_wolf about swap
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16:45<glow_wolf>I see the links Thank you i will be checking them out now
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17:10<lindenle>Is there a simple python module to make a popup in gnome or xfce? Like the netwrok announcements or emails?
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17:12<lindi->lindenle: you probably should not make a popup
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17:12<lindi->lindenle: you should use org.freedesktop.Notification
17:12<lindenle><lindi->: excellent that is what I was wondering
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17:13<lindenle><lindi->: wait is that a module or the web site?
17:14<lindi->lindenle: python-notify
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17:36<darek>jaki jest polski kanal irc debian
17:36<darek>???
17:36<babilen>!pl
17:36<dpkg>i guess pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
17:36<darek>thanks
17:36<babilen>darek: have fun :)
17:36<retrospectacus>darek: you can ask in English here if you prefer
17:37<darek>ok sorry
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17:39<thewanderer>poor him, bad timing with the netsplit :P
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17:43<kingsley_>How would you collect all bytes generated by pressing any key into a shell variable, without using the read command's timeout parameter?
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17:43<kingsley_>For example, when I do...
17:43<kingsley_>$ read -n 1 -s
17:44<kingsley_>and press and release the up arrow key, a trailing "[A" is echoed to my xterm.
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17:45<lindenle>What controls where the pynotify popups appear?
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17:59<wilman>hola
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18:02<Black_Prince>lindenle, /apps/notification-daemon/popup_location
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18:28<borman>hi everybody, I've just installed debian squeeze and I have a problem with iwlagn module, it says some incompatibility between the firmware and the kernel's api I've searched in google and I've tried with backports firmware but it's still not working Would be a solution upgrading the kernel? I'm with the one by default 2.6.32-686
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18:31<abrotman>borman: does it work? mine says the same thing, still works
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18:33<borman>abrotman: what version do you use?
18:33<borman>no not working
18:33<abrotman>borman: for starters .. what is your wifi device?
18:34<borman>agn 5100
18:34-!-mode/#debian [+l 498] by debhelper
18:34<borman>Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection
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18:35<abrotman>03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 [8086:4236]
18:35<abrotman>that's mine .. works fine in squeeze
18:35<borman>Driver unable to support your firmware API. Driver supports v5, firmware is v0.
18:36<borman>say me that
18:36<abrotman>did yo uinstall the firmware package ?
18:36<borman>sure
18:36<abrotman>!iwl5100
18:36<dpkg>iwlagn is a Linux kernel module supporting Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn
18:36<abrotman>so you have iwl* files in /lib/firmware/ ?
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18:36<abrotman>judd: versions firmware-iwlwifi
18:36<judd>Package firmware-iwlwifi on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 0.14+lenny2; lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28; squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.32~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.33; wheezy/non-free: 0.33
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18:37<borman>i've tried with squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.32~bpo60+1 and squeeze/non-free: 0.28
18:38<borman>kernel 2.6.32-686
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18:38<abrotman>i have the same kernel ..
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18:39<borman>damm
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18:41<borman>with version squeeze/non-free: 0.28 use version v2 that says is deprecated the wireless card is recogniced but doesn't connects to ap
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18:42<Black_Prince>judd, versions firmware-iwlwifi --release squeeze-proposed-updates
18:42<judd>Package firmware-iwlwifi on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1
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18:43<Black_Prince>borman, Install firmware-iwlwifi from proposed updates ... On forums they claimed it solved similar problem.
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18:46<borman>i'm gonna try with proposed-updates
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18:47<abrotman>borman: have you tried without WEP/WPA ?
18:48<Black_Prince>or ... It's one from backports that is necesary.
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19:08<borman>with proposed updates has worked! thanks dude I don't know how I didn't check that option in the installation ... :S
19:10<borman>abrotman: thanks a lot!
19:10<abrotman>good luck
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19:36<matematiko>Hi...I am going to install a new video card, is there stuff that I must do prior?
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19:40<abrotman>matematiko: depends on the card
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19:41<matematiko>abrotman: The old card?
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19:44<abrotman>the new one?
19:44<matematiko>abrotman: OK... I guess I just try and see, thx
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19:45<abrotman>that wasn't really what i said .. but okay
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19:57<eeemsi__>hi
19:57<eeemsi__>again s.th. about problems --> ERROR: sha512sum rejected install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz
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20:07<sesshomaru>icedove to work with your email account?
20:07<sesshomaru>how?
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20:19<sesshomaru>how do you congfigure icedove to work with your gmail account?
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20:24<abrotman>google "thunderbird gmail" .. should get a few hits
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20:32<eeemsi__>does anyone get the same error?
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21:17<eeemsi__>no one with that error? --> ERROR: sha512sum rejected install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz
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21:22<MrFrood>eeemsi__: how are you trying to install flash?
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21:23<eeemsi__>MrFrood: via flashplugin-nonfree's update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
21:24<MrFrood>eeemsi__: and it rejescts the download from adobe?
21:24<abrotman>the package does an md5 or so check .. it doesn't match .. download it manually and install it
21:28<eeemsi__>y not using the one from bartm for having an easier way to update ones system?
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22:02<steve-moz>Why do I not see mozilla-acroread in Hardy? I have medibuntu/partner/multiverse/universe repos enabled...?
22:03<SynrG>this is not #ubuntu
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22:03<SynrG>see #ubuntu @ irc.freenode.net
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22:04<heffay>or just ditch ubuntu and install debian and hang out with us =)
22:05<steve-moz>haha heffay!
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22:05<steve-moz>stupid hardy is pissing me off
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22:06<SynrG>as i said, it's OT for this channel (but man, hardy is prehistoric ... i am not at all surprised you're finding things don't work)
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22:23<livec>hello ?
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22:24<ricardo>1,2,3 calando
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22:24<livec>where is a help room ?
22:24<livec>all i see is crap
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22:27<sney>!ubuntuirc livec
22:27<dpkg>livec: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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22:54<steve-Lock>hey deb gurus, can anyone help me figure out why my ubuntu install randomly hands? I am looking threw logs and am not finding anything related
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23:22<vrkalak>night all ... i have an early and busy day tomorrow ... sleep-tiems
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23:43<mohadip>hola a todos
23:43<mohadip>buenas noches
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