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---Logopened Fri Sep 23 00:00:18 2011
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00:31<mxldr>yo yo yo- how do i make a second 'root' user?
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00:31<mxldr>like username 'admin'
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00:37<theocrite>mxldr: make a user with uid=0
00:37<theocrite>Or use sudo.
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00:50<unix>e ai pessoal
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01:04<techmaniack>hi all
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01:05<techmaniack>whenever i try to mount a partition, it gets mounted in 'ro' mode... how to force it mount in 'rw' mode
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01:07<techmaniack> < fstab and mtab
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01:12<techmaniack>whenever i try to mount a partition, it gets mounted in 'ro' mode... how to force it mount in 'rw' mode
01:12<jm_>techmaniack: which filesystem is it?
01:13<techmaniack>jm_, ^
01:13<jm_>what does this return? grep NTFS /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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01:14<techmaniack> < jm_
01:16<jm_>techmaniack: ok so debian kernels do have write RW support for ntfs, perhaps check what dmesg says when you mount it (also be careful writing to it as there may be some issues with kernel driver)
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01:22<abdulkarim>jm_, "[ 113.907485] NTFS-fs error (device sda6): load_system_files(): Volume is dirty. Mounting read-only. Run chkdsk and mount in Windows.
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01:22<abdulkarim>but i don't have Windows!
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01:26<amitz>abdulkarim: you will probably need to run chkdsk on that volue (or fsck if any). but be prepared you may lost data!!
01:27<jm_>abdulkarim: ntfs-3g has recover option that might help
01:27<amitz>so make backup
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01:27<jm_>abdulkarim: but like amitz says - be careful doing it
01:27<amitz>oh neat, as jm_ said, but be prepared for the worst, as jm_ said, and i'm going meta :-p
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01:35<henr_k>is it any way to run a script at first reboot after a squeeze-install? I'm customizing a debian-cd, but what I need to install requires a pretty complete environment. I've seen that ubuntu has an OEM-installer - is it anything similar for debian?
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01:39<abdulkarim>jm_, amitz this worked "sudo ntfs-3g -o force /dev/sda6 /mnt/data"
01:40<henr_k>abdulkarim: if that worked and you have a corrupt drive, I'd dump as much of the data to a different share as I could
01:42<amitz>as henr_k said.
01:43<amitz>henr_k: you can put it in /etc/rc.local i guess, and clobber it when it's done. but there may be other methods to achieve what you really want.
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01:44<henr_k>amitz: yes, but I'd really like to avoid hacking it in that way
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01:44<henr_k>I'm already doing things in various postinsts that will make grown men cry
01:45<amitz>do you have to use debian install? why not live cd helper?
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01:50<henr_k>amitz: I don't have everything the packages need available during the installer. Most of the stuff I can install via d-i, but I also need to modify some VMs during the install, and starting virtualbox and using modifyvm does not work exceptionally well
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01:51<henr_k>so simplest solution would be to defer the rest of the installation to the first bootup
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01:52<henr_k>I guess I can hack a bash-bootup-thing that just removes itself afterwards
01:52<amitz>well, using /etc/rc.local is an acceptable compromise i guess?
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01:53<henr_k>yes, I was thinking along those lines, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't reimplementing something already present in the installer :)
01:54<amitz>mkay :-)
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01:56<abdulkarim>henr_k, ok
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03:03<Isk>I have access to a Canon iR-ADV C5030/5035 (UFR II) and wont to ad it to cups how is it don.
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03:04<Nemoder>!cups setup
03:04<dpkg>from memory, cups setup is "aptitude install cups cups-bsd foomatic-db". Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! Optionally install the printconf package to automatically install attached printers. To troubleshoot printing problems, ask me about <debug cups>.
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03:04<jm_>last time I was doing this I noticed one has to run the browser as root and visit http://localhost:631/ - previously it asked for username/password
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03:11<Isk>The printer driver is not there on it has a other name. Where can I find the driver specifications, when the printer must be running under cups.
03:11<aussa>how do I know what intel video card am I using? I need to install its drivers
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03:13<Nemoder>aussa: lspci or hwinfo
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03:15<nevyn>aussa: it should just work.
03:16<aussa>maybe the drivers are not the problem, I'm not getting all the options for screen resolution
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03:20<jm_>Isk: try linux printing web pages
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03:30<Isk>jm_: This site is down for maintenance. We are will be restoring service shortly. Thank you for your patience. The Linux Foundation
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03:36<jm_>Isk: hmm when we had a canon printer here we downloaded stuff from
03:36<jm_>Isk: or maybe here
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03:53<Isk>Found a driver it works for now. the driver is Canon imageRunner 5000 Foomatic/pxlmono black and whit.
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04:00<ki6und>anyone got a quick tip on how to fix the resolution for terminal mode (console) to a denser font?
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04:02<ki6und>no x11 here
04:03<ki6und>just console, on a eeepc 1005ha, so 1024x600
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04:05<ki6und>guess not night all!
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04:38<EmleyMoor>I'm looking for a .kar file player - tring pykaraoke but it keeps hanging. Any others around?
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04:40<davide>hi all
04:40<davide>someone can help me?
04:40<davide>i need only one minut
04:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:44<davide>can you help me?
04:44<davide>i 've a problem with installation via pxe and preseed
04:44<davide> the pxe work fine
04:44<davide> but my server doen't take the pressed.cfg file
04:44<davide> my webserver apache2 work fine and if i navigate http://ip.websever/d-i/squeeze/preseed.cfg i see the file
04:44<davide> my text.txt of pxe is:
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04:45<themill>less with the enter key...
04:45<davide>themill are you speaking to me?
04:46<EmleyMoor>That did rook rather like a paste... which is bad - if you must paste, paste to or some other pastebin, and include the link in your question
04:46<davide>i've you understand my question?
04:46<EmleyMoor>look, even
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04:48<davide>nobody knows the solution to my problem
04:48<Linda>zijn jullie robots of mensen
04:48<Linda>Are you robots of human
04:49<Linda>are you a real human of a robot????
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04:49<EmleyMoor>davide: You need to finish asking your question first
04:50<davide>pxe configuration is:
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04:50<davide>append vga=790 initrd=debian-installer/amd64/initrd.gz preseed/url= -- quiet
04:50<davide>pxe work fine
04:50<davide>but not preseed
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04:51<EmleyMoor>What happens when it doesn't work? What do you think should happen
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04:51<davide>the installation starts asking me "Select a language", but i 've d-i debian-installer/language string it d-i debian-installer/country string IT
04:52<EmleyMoor>(and please, ask your question IN THE CHANNEL, not in a private message...
04:52<davide>with preseed
04:52<davide>i think that the installation doesn't ask me questions
04:52<Nareese>Greets. I have a rather bizarre networking problem. Somehow, for reasons I completely don't undertand, my eth0:0 interface has become the "primary" interface on eth0. eth0 itself, and eth0:1, are marked as secondaries. This means packets are leaving the server on eth0:0's IP, which is causing me no end of firewall problems. Any ideas?
04:53<EmleyMoor>You are saying you think it shouldn't be asking you to select a language?
04:53<davide>if you want i can show you all my preseed.cfg file
04:53<EmleyMoor>davide: Put it in a pastebin such as
04:54<dba>davide: it depends what and how you start your image;
04:54<dba>davide: normally, you can't preseed the language from the preseed file if the preseed file has not yet been read.
04:54<EmleyMoor>I'm no expert on preseed, but maybe someone else here is...
04:54<dba>davide: that's why there's the auto mode. you just might want to read the debian-installer manual about preseeding.
04:56<davide>my pxe configuration doesn't ues auto more
04:56<davide>i think
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04:57<EmleyMoor>Nareese: can you pastebin the output of route -n?
04:57<Nareese>route -n and netstat -n show the default route on eth0, like you'd expect.
04:58<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... is eth0:0 in the same network?
04:58<davide>dba: append vga=790 initrd=debian-installer/amd64/initrd.gz preseed/url= -- quiet
04:58<Nareese>yes, all three interfaces are on the same network.
04:58<Nareese>ip addr list dev eth0, however, shows eth0:0 as the primary, and eth0 and eth0:1 as "secondary".
04:59<Nareese>So it's some sort of bizarre problem with the order that ifup is processing the interfaces in. They are, obvoiusly, in the right order in /etc/network/interfaces
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05:02<Nareese>Just pasted the output of ip addr list dev eth0 to (name: Nareese)
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05:04<thewanderer>you could just bring back a link to here...
05:04<EmleyMoor>(posting 131728 I see)...
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05:04<Nareese>ya, sorry, right.
05:05<EmleyMoor>This is not something I know much about... certainly, I have no idea how the secondaryness is decided
05:06<thewanderer>apparently, the first address that you add ends up as primary, at least in iproute2
05:06<thewanderer>but what would you need interface aliases for? they're a hack :P
05:06<Nareese>Ya, I have no idea how to override them. As far as I've been able to figure out, it is strictly a function of the order the interfaces are passed from /etc/network/interfaces... exactly... first interface is primary, remainder are secondary...
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05:07<jm_>ifup -v shall show which commands are executed etc.
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05:07<thewanderer>Nareese: you probably shouldn't be using multiple addresses on one network
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05:08<thewanderer>on the same interface, at least
05:08<EmleyMoor>I had much "fun" trying to get two networks on one card - abandoned it after a very short time
05:08<thewanderer>here the network is the same though
05:08<EmleyMoor>I can live with the "silly" flip-flops that my two-card setup seems to generate...
05:10<Nareese>It works just fine. It's been working for months up until 2 hours ago when I installed the latest kernel patches and rebooted. That's when they came up in the wrong order, and nothing I can figure out to do will make them come up in the correct order, and I'm kinda stumped as to why.
05:11<thewanderer>do you need interface aliases?
05:11<thewanderer>or would you be just fine with multiple addresses on eth0?
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05:13<thewanderer>cause maybe you should convert your interface config from 3 interfaces to 1 + 2 post-up commands that add secondary addresses
05:13<thewanderer>actually, it should work with aliases, too...
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05:14<Erbureth>Nareese: switch the IPs :)
05:15<thewanderer>I would not be surprised if Debian had switched to asynchronous interface config at some point too
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05:15<Nareese>hmmm.. I wonder. Interesting suggestion. Ya, ok, I'll try that. Just rebooting now, since I booched stuff up trying to manually ifdown stuff.
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05:17<Nareese>That suggestion would definitely prove whether it was something specific to the order in the interfaces file, or whether it had something to do with the IPs. It's kinda interesting that 0:0's IP is the lowest of the 3, and it gets parsed first, then eth0 which is second, and then 0:1 which is the highest.
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05:22<sylux>hi everybody
05:23<Nareese>well, that's super interesting.
05:23<sylux>i'm looking for good website for optimize my debian enlightment
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05:24<Nareese>switching the ips, switches the ips. eth0:0 is still the primary, but now has the 158 IP, which is... just weird.
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05:24<babilen>sylux: Do you mean that you want to become enlightened about the way of the Debian or are you referring to the window manager of the same name?
05:24<Nareese>So thanks for that somewhat obvious suggestion Erbureth, appreciate it.
05:25<Erbureth>Nareese: no problem, good it helped :)
05:25<Nareese>Still not really an answer, and I'm still boggled, but that should resolve the bulk of the immediate issues with firewall rules and whatnot.
05:25<sylux>no just remove the process useless
05:26<sylux>i've got an old athlon (can't remember wich one) and 1 Go Ram
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05:26<sylux>top - 11:26:30 up 1:43, 2 users, load average: 0.05, 0.05, 0.06
05:26<sylux>Tasks: 95 total, 2 running, 93 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
05:26<sylux>Cpu(s): 0.3%us, 9.9%sy, 2.6%ni, 87.1%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
05:26<sylux>Mem: 1027048k total, 719800k used, 307248k free, 19364k buffers
05:26<sylux>Swap: 1686784k total, 0k used, 1686784k free, 253952k cached
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05:27<sylux>sorry !
05:27<sylux>here is may top session :
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05:29<thewanderer>Nareese: interface aliases are a hack, don't rely on deterministic behaviour :)
05:30<Nemoder>sylux: htop gives a better view of system use
05:30<thewanderer>Nareese: have you tried moving the secondary IPs to be added manually in post-up rather than separate interfaces in the config file?
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05:31<ssushh>hey guys
05:32<ssushh>first time on pinguy os
05:32<ssushh>feels awesome
05:32<Nareese>No. Interface aliases are not a hack. They are a standard implementation across all linux kernels, and are in fact the officially supported method of adding multiple addresses to an interface, per the wiki and the networking documentation.
05:32<dpkg>Pinguy OS is a GNU/Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian. #pinguyos on See also <based on debian>.
05:32<ssushh>oh, i did not know that
05:32<ssushh>so i cannot chat abt it here?
05:34-!-mode/#debian [+l 489] by debhelper
05:34<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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05:36<Gh0Sty2K>Hi, quick question, i installed Debian last night of Live CD and i noticed today that if no network cable is plugged in it wont boot into OS, how can I fix this?
05:36<jm_>Gh0Sty2K: find out what is blocking it
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05:37<Gh0Sty2K>It just says no DHCP server sleeping
05:37<Gh0Sty2K>but when network cable is plugged in, it gets IP and then boots
05:37<Nemoder>Gh0Sty2K: sounds like a bios issue, check settings there
05:37<jm_>i've never seen it block on DHCP, it's usually stuff like MTA
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05:38<Gh0Sty2K>Thanks, will give it a try and get back to you if I need further help. The Live CD install does install a full version doesn't it?
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05:38<Nemoder>Gh0Sty2K: what image did you use?
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05:39<Gh0Sty2K>Nemoder, the version from the website which lets you test debian and when it booted into debian, i liked and clicked install
05:40<jm_>enable bootlog and then inspect the file once it's finished booting
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05:43<Nemoder>Gh0Sty2K: i'd do what jm_ suggests, also you might try just waiting 5mins and see if the network times out and it continues to boot
05:43<Gh0Sty2K>ok ill give that a try.
05:44<Gh0Sty2K>if i did want to install a DVD image of Debian for my 32bit pc, what link should i download?
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05:44<Gh0Sty2K>it shows 8 DVD's
05:45<Nemoder>Gh0Sty2K: the net installer is the most effecient
05:45<Nemoder>Gh0Sty2K: only reason to get the DVDs is if you require an off-line install
05:45<Gh0Sty2K>Ohh ok, excellent, ill try that stuff recommended then, was just wondering if i installed a stripped down version which depends on internet connection to boot :)
05:45<Nemoder>but I think the liveCD should work fine
05:46<jm_>you don't need t reinstall if you already have it installed
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05:46<Gh0Sty2K>:) awsum
05:46<dpkg>bootlogd is used to record boot messages and is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
05:47<Gh0Sty2K>thanks jm
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05:47<jm_>Gh0Sty2K: no worries
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06:05<hoshi411>anyone know if there is a tablet based debian in the works?
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06:40<Unmensch>Hi, I'm using aptosid and I've updated my system yesterday. Since then my xorg isn't working correctly. I'm using a radeon 3450 and the radeon driver. When I start X11 I see some huge differently colored blocks and my mouse cursor appears to be a huge block as well that can be moved around.
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06:40<Unmensch>In short, my xorg simply displays garbage. I'm now using the vesa driver which works more or less
06:41<petemc> #aptosidy
06:41<themill>Unmensch: #aptosid is a better to place to ask
06:41<petemc>erm, #aptosid
06:41<Unmensch>okay, I thought I would be right here, since aptosid it's mostly debian sid
06:44<amitz>Unmensch: nope, unforutnately.
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06:55<Nareese>Heya, for those who were helping out with my weird interface issue earier, a quick update. ID10T error. Somehow the "auto eth0" stanza had gotten deleted from my interfaces file, and I didn't notice it.
06:56<Nareese>So eth0 was not auto, but then 0:0 and 0:1 were, so it skipped eth0, did 0:0 and goes... hey, I can't bring up a virtual with no physical under it, so it then brings up eth0, then 0:1, hence the order.
06:57<Nareese>So, there ya go. Thanks again for the help. G'night. <waves>
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06:59<concept95-b_>is there anyone who has compiled version 2.6.18 ? I am having a strange compile error
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07:05<deavid>I compiled a program in a Debian testing machine, compiling static libraries and so and it works on Ubuntu, Debian Sid.... but on Debian Lenny i get: "../lib/ ELF file OS ABI invalid"
07:06<cahoot>different kernelversions?
07:06<deavid>Lenny is using 2.6.26
07:07<deavid>readelf -h, reports OS/ABI: UNIX-Linux instead of UNIX-SystemV
07:08<deavid>is this something that has been changed in some kernel version, or in some libc6 or libstdc++6 package?
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07:10<Nemoder>same architecture?
07:10<deavid>yes, i386 (32bits x86)
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07:29<hoshi411>anyone know if there is a tablet based debian in the works?
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07:38<thewanderer>hoshi411: excuse me?
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07:41<hoshi411>thewanderer: like ubuntu has a netbook version and theres also kdeplasma mobile for tablets. so in the same way, does debian have any kind of secret tablet version of debian behind the curtains somewhere?
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07:41<thewanderer>hoshi411: debian does not have versions like that. it's one operating system.
07:41<hoshi411>many distros now have a netbook version so it is not too farfetched to ask aboit a tablet version
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07:42<thewanderer>you can install and use Plasma Netbook on KDE, though - works just fine
07:42<thewanderer>there are no device-specific versions of Debian
07:42<thewanderer>want it on a tablet? install it and configure so that it's just right for a tablet
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07:48<Bubo>Can anyone help me with installing my GPU drivers?
07:48<devil>dont ask to ask
07:49<thewanderer>what GPU brand and model?
07:50<Bubo>Nvidia 8800GT
07:50<Bubo>64bit debian 6
07:51<thewanderer>apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 nvidia-glx
07:51<thewanderer>and you're going
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07:51<devil>i dont think so
07:52<thewanderer>why not?
07:52<devil>what about a xorg.conf stanza?
07:52<Bubo>so apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 nvidia-glx? or not?
07:53<chealer>!tell Bubo about ask
07:53<devil>i dont think that aqueeze has a xorg.conf by default
07:53<thewanderer>I don't really remember any xorg.conf stanza being needed in my case
07:53<thewanderer>Bubo: yes
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07:53<thewanderer>if it's needed, we'll get down to that in a while
07:53<chealer>Bubo: it depends what drivers you want. see
07:53<Bubo>ok wait
07:53<Bubo>I don'
07:53<Bubo>I don't know.. the best ones?
07:53<wols>!tell Bubo about nvidia dkms
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07:54<Bubo>Ill just do what thewanderer tells me
07:54<wols>Bubo: you will need to edit your xorg.conf, contrary to what thewanderer says
07:54<Bubo>thewanderer i did apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 nvidia-glx
07:54<wols>thewanderer: without xorg.conf stanza, debian will use nouveau. no ifs or buts
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07:54<Bubo>E: Unable to locate package nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64
07:54<Bubo>E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64'
07:54<Bubo>E: Package 'nvidia-glx' has no installation candidate
07:54<wols>Bubo: read the factoid dpkg just send you please
07:54<chealer>Bubo: welcome to the community of NVIDIA cards owner...there are no best drivers.
07:55<Bubo>So which ones should I use chealer? Suggestions
07:55<jm_>you need non-free in sources.list
07:55<thewanderer>Bubo: do you need advanced 3D for gaming etc?
07:55<wols>Bubo: as it tells you, you need non-free and contrib in your sources. do you want hardware accelerated 3D support?
07:55<Bubo>Not gaming..
07:55<Bubo>I'm not gonna use Debian for gaming
07:55<chealer>Bubo: did you read the "Free drivers" section?
07:55<wols>Bubo: please answer: do you want hardware accelerated 3D support? yes or no?
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07:57<Bubo>No wols
07:57<Bubo>but if it's possible and not hard to install, yes
07:57<wols>then you can simply continue to use nouveau
07:57<wols>either you want it or not. there is no try
07:58<Bubo>Ok yes I want it
07:58<Bubo>what do I do?
07:58<wols>Bubo: youve been given the wiki link and dpkg sent you a factoid. follow them
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07:58<Bubo>So the free-drivers?
07:58<Bubo>there is vesa nv and nouveau
07:59<Bubo>Oh they don't have 3d acceleration
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07:59<Bubo>so I guess it's non-free ? What do they mean non-free? Paid? o.O
07:59<wols>non-free license. no payment necessary
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08:00<wols>a free license in contrast is dfsg compatible
08:00<dpkg>DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see
08:00<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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08:00<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system run "aptitude search '~i~scontrib'". For the non-free tracking system, see
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08:01<wols>Bubo: I cannot help you step to step, and simply messaging me is the fastest way to annoy me as well
08:01<wols>use the channel. that's what it's for
08:02<Bubo>so let me try this
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08:05<Bubo>Wheezy, lenny, squeeze?
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08:06<Bubo># m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source -> it says m-a command not found
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08:07<OpenTokix>Bubo: you have to install module-assistant
08:07<chealer>!tell Bubo about releases
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08:07<Bubo>I did
08:07<themill>the dpkg "nvidia dkms" command also doesn't mention m-a anywhere.
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08:08<Bubo># apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common
08:08<Bubo>i did that
08:08<chealer>Bubo: the hash sign (#) indicates the command must be run as root
08:08<OpenTokix>Bubo: m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia <-- this usually works for me(tm)
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08:08<Bubo>next is this # m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
08:08<Bubo>I am in root
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08:08<Bubo>in # m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source - in {VERSION} What do i put?
08:08<chealer>Bubo: what does $ dpkg -l nvidia; output?
08:08<OpenTokix>Bubo: try m-a auto-install nvidia
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08:08<Bubo>still not found
08:09<chealer>Bubo: sorry, what does $ dpkg -l module-assistant; output?
08:09<OpenTokix>Bubo: do you have the non-free portion on your deb-line in sources.list ?
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08:10<Bubo>I think so
08:10<Bubo>I checked non-free and contrib
08:10<Bubo>in update manager
08:10<OpenTokix>Bubo: and you ran a apt-get update after?
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08:12<Bubo>yes opentokix
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08:13<Bubo>Oh fixed
08:13<OpenTokix>Bubo: if you just write: m-a you get not found?
08:13<OpenTokix>ok, gr8
08:13<Bubo>I tried installing the module assistant again
08:13<Bubo>i installed it again
08:13<Bubo>and then m-a worked good
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08:14*themill wonders why we're not just using dkms
08:14<dpkg>Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file can be found at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log
08:15<Bubo>Ok now I need to configure the x.conf
08:15<Bubo>xorg.conf can instruct X to use the nvidia driver. If you have one, modify it, otherwise it must be created.
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08:15<Bubo>how do I see if I have one? and if I do, how do I modify it?
08:16<thewanderer>Bubo: it should be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
08:16<wols>Bubo: you don't have one and the factoid tells you what to put in there
08:16<Bubo>it doesn't say how to create it
08:17<Bubo>Ah nvm
08:17<Bubo>it does, my bad
08:17<wols>themill: I have him the dpkg factoid with all the commands but thewanderer showed him his (bad) way first so that's what he follows
08:17<Bubo>Create an xorg.conf with the following content:
08:17<Bubo>create HOW?
08:17<wols>Bubo: editor
08:17<Bubo>what do you mean?
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08:18<wols>I mean "use an editor"
08:18<themill>wols: that and the use of dkms was downplayed on the wiki.
08:18<thewanderer>sorry wols, I didn't know dkms would be required when the module is there and packaged nicely.
08:18<Bubo>simple text-editor?
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08:18<Bubo>and copy-paste from the wiki page?
08:18<Bubo>and save as xorg.conf ?
08:18<themill>thewanderer: it's not there and packaged at all. You have to compile it somehow -- either manually each time you change things with m-a or automatically with dkms.
08:18<wols>themill: it is not required. but it is far superior than the packaged way cause it has the advantage of easily working with all future kernels due to the magic of dkms
08:19<wols>themill: I think stable usually ships with a compiled kernel module (at first). but with future kernel updates, it's anyone's guess
08:19<Bubo>wols with a simple text editor and copy paste from the wiki page and put it in the file and save as xorg.conf?
08:20<wols>yes with a simple text editor. and know that you need to run it as root to be able to save it to /etc/X11/
08:20<Bubo>How do I run it with root?
08:20<Bubo>can I use the open office writer?
08:20<wols>openoffice is not an editor, it's a text processing program
08:20<chealer>Bubo: which desktop environment do you use?
08:21<wols>gksu gedit
08:21<Bubo>so how do i run gedit with root?
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08:22<wols>see above
08:22<Bubo>gksu gedit?
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08:22<Bubo>Ok done, saved it in X11
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08:24<Bubo>gdm kdm xdm
08:24<Bubo>How do I see which one do I use? Or is it gdm - gnome ?
08:24<wols>Bubo: before you restart X, I _strongly_ recommend for you to install irssi, run it in a console (ctrl+alt+f2) and come back here with it. in case you have any problems with your nvidia drivers and X doesn't start anymore
08:24<wols>it's gdm3 with gnome normally
08:25<Bubo>I have xchat running
08:25<Bubo>its ok, I can use my laptop to come back here
08:26<Bubo>so I go # invoke-rc.d gdm restart ?
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08:26<chealer>bubo: xchat won't work if X doesn't work
08:26<wols>if you have problems, we will ask you to paste lots of text from your broken Xorg, that will be a lot harder when you are on the laptop. but have it your way, good luck
08:26<chealer>wols: should be easier to [re]move xorg.conf ;-)
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08:27<wols>chealer: not for solving tha actual problem
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08:27<chealer>wols: I don't think we want to solve such a problem in CLI with Bubo...
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08:29<Bubo>i did the command and now I just have fullscreen console or smth
08:29<Bubo>I guess X doesn't start?
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08:30<Bubo>What do I do now?
08:30<jm_>check X logfile
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08:30<Bubo>I'm stuck on a black screen
08:30<Bubo>and I can write on it
08:30<Bubo>like a console
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08:31<wols>Bubo: /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart
08:31<devil>Bubo: thats the better part of linux
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08:31<Bubo>wols it doesnt do anything
08:31<wols>Bubo: it does. on a root prompt
08:32<jm_>well the same you would do in a terminal - use a pager, text editor ...
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08:32<Bubo>not here
08:32<wols>Bubo: ctrl+alt+f2
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08:32<Bubo>ok logged in
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08:33<Bubo>stopping gnome DM: gdm3
08:33<Bubo>starting ----//----
08:33<Bubo>and im still there
08:33<Bubo>Nothing happened
08:33<wols>ctrl+alt+f7 to see if there is gdm3 running
08:33<wols>tho you should be there already if it did
08:34<Bubo>It just got me back to the previous console
08:34<Bubo>before ctrl alt f2
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08:34<wols>Bubo: then pastebin us the Xorg.0.log file. unlike your other stuff above, do NOT paste it in here
08:35<Bubo>How do I get to it? o.O
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08:35<Bubo>im not good with the terminal :/
08:35<wols>it's in /var/log and if you are not good with terminals, I suggest you install mc and use it
08:36<Bubo>im just a beginner..
08:36<Bubo>i go "cd /var/log" ?
08:36<Bubo>and after it?
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08:37<wols>Bubo: as chealer suggested above I do now likewise: rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf and restart X
08:37<chealer>Bubo: move your X configuration file ( # mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.disabled; )
08:37<wols>or that
08:37<Bubo>ok ill move it sec
08:37<chealer>Bubo: then retry starting it and come back here from the problematic machine
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08:38<chealer>starting X, that is
08:38<Bubo>it says permission denied
08:38<Bubo>cannt move
08:38<Bubo>yes I am with root
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08:39<Bubo>cannot remove it either. permission denied
08:39<wols>then you are not root
08:39<chealer>Bubo: could you copy the exact output of # whoami; mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.disabled
08:39<Bubo>ok moved
08:40<Bubo>now I restart?
08:40<chealer>Bubo: yes
08:40<chealer>you restart X, that is
08:41<Bubo>im in debian
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08:41<Bubo>with a sh*t resolution o.O
08:41<chealer>Bubo: it's worst than what is was before?
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08:42<Bubo>I had 1920x1080n before
08:42<Bubo>now its..
08:43<Bubo>what do I do now?
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08:43<chealer>hum, I'm curious why, maybe you were using nouveau
08:43<jm_>!which driver
08:43<dpkg>To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log . See also <oot>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>.
08:43<chealer>Bubo: please provide /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
08:43<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <>.
08:43<jm_>there's a grep command in there
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08:44<Bubo>let me come to mirc from the pc
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08:46<jm_>(II) NOUVEAU(0): Using hsync ranges from config file
08:46<jm_>(II) NOUVEAU(0): Using vrefresh ranges from config file
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08:46<jm_>possibly because of this
08:47<jm_>but I have to go now
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08:50<devil>Bubo1: you are using the free driver, not the 3d one
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08:51<Bubo1>i guess the 3d one failed
08:51<chealer>Bubo1: are you sure that is Xorg.0.log***.old*** ?
08:51<devil>Bubo1: nah, it was rather you :)
08:51<Bubo1>yes its the OLD one
08:51<chealer>Bubo1: and if so, did you start X several times since you moved the X configuration file?
08:51<Bubo1>How do I know? I just followed the guide from the wiki page
08:52<Bubo1>step by step
08:52<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, am I right in thinking having a single lv in a single vg on a single RAID holds no advantage at all? It doesn't allow me to do anything later I couldn't do otherwise, does it?
08:52<chealer>Bubo1: OK, what does $ dpkg -l nvidia*|grep ii; output?
08:53<eshat>ComradeHaz`: you have the advantage to extend the space, when new volumes are added in future
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08:54<chealer>Bubo: what does # modprobe nvidia; output?
08:55<ComradeHaz`>eshat: why can I not do that anyway? I just extend the file system, no?
08:55<chealer>Bubo: could you paste the contents of xorg.conf, just to be sure?
08:55<eshat>ComradeHaz`: how, if you have two different physical devices ?
08:56<Bubo>xord.conf file is disabled now
08:56<ComradeHaz`>It's a RAID, it's made of multiple physical devices.
08:57<ComradeHaz`>If I add a device to the RAID and grow it, I can then just grow the file system. I'm never going to want a bit of the filesystem on one RAID and a bit on another.
08:57<eshat>ComradeHaz`: ok, so you should mention, what kind of Raid
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08:57<ComradeHaz`>Software RAID,
08:57<eshat>ComradeHaz`: then you can go without LVM
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08:57<ComradeHaz`>That was my feeling.
08:57<ComradeHaz`>Does it take any overhead to speak of?
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08:58<chealer>Bubo: sorry, it's not clear why it's failing and I have to go. you have to provide an X log of a failed attempt to start
08:58<ComradeHaz`>eshat: I guess I could just do it anyway if it doesn't///
08:58<Bubo>How do I enable xorg?
08:58<Bubo>Ah nvm
08:58<Bubo>I'll just uninstall debian for now, no time to do this for me too.. :/
08:59<chealer>Bubo: generally X has 2 log files, in /var/log/, Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old.
08:59<Bubo>Yes, I gave you the old
08:59<Bubo>nevermind that now
08:59<Bubo>How do I remove debian ?
08:59<Bubo>I have dual boot win7 and debian
09:00<chealer>Bubo: the former is the log for the current session, the latter is the one for the last session. if X fails to start, you reconfigure it and restart successfully, the old log should correspond to the failed attempt to start X.
09:00<Bubo>last time I formatted the debian partition, I couldn't fix the mbr.. bootrec /fixboot said "Element not found"
09:01<chealer>Bubo: I would retry the X configuration file, restart X *only once* then provide the old file.
09:01<Bubo>chealer, doesn't matter. I want to remove debian for now. I'll come back in a week and try it again :)
09:01<Bubo>can you help me with that?
09:01<chealer>Bubo: ask the channel, I'm out as I said.
09:02<Bubo>ok, thanks anyway
09:02<Bubo>Dual-boot win7 and debian. How do I remove debian? If anyone can help, please od.
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09:15<ComradeHaz`>Hi guys, any downsides to ext4?
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09:21<OpenTokix>ComradeHaz`: Im guessing you are comparing to ext3?
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09:21<ComradeHaz`>OpenTokix: aye.
09:21<Bushmills>the loadable module supporting is has about 2.5 times the size of the ext3 module
09:22<OpenTokix>ComradeHaz`: As Bushmills say, if you are using a vintage computer or embedded system its a minor problem that the module is larger.
09:22<ComradeHaz`>But for normal use?
09:22<Bushmills>please list all usage characteristics which describe "normal use"
09:23<ComradeHaz`>I think I get the idea
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09:50<ComradeHaz`>Guys, just created an ext4 fs and it says "This filesystem will be automatically checked every 0 mounts or 0 days, whichever comes first." which kind of surprises me... Why won't it check itself?
09:50<koollman>because it's highly annoying and always happen to the wrong moment ;)
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09:51<ComradeHaz`>Is that honestly the reason?
09:51<ComradeHaz`>Change in policy?
09:51<daemonkeeper>The policy defines packaging traits, not settings.
09:51<koollman>ComradeHaz`: I don't know. I kind of doubt it, honestly
09:52<devil>ComradeHaz`: my ext4 are checked after 32 boots defalt
09:52<devil>default, even
09:52<ComradeHaz`>Oh, sure, daemonkeeper. So the Debian packaging team have decided this is most appropriate?
09:52<koollman>ComradeHaz`: but you can change this, tune2fs -i days_interval -c mount_interval /dev/yourdevice
09:52<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, wll this machine barely ever gets rebooted
09:52<daemonkeeper>If anything the maintainer, but I guess koollman was joking anyway.
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09:53<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, think I'd rather I just got a syslog nag after a while to be honest
09:53<ComradeHaz`>Is there a trivial way to set that up?
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09:53<koollman>yeah. although it's really really annoying. Ever been woke up by a pager at 3 am, rebooted a box and seen 'fsck forced'? when there's a 1TB FS ? ;/
09:53<ComradeHaz`>koollman: yep
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09:54<ComradeHaz`>I've remote rebooted before and lost touch as it did that
09:54<ComradeHaz`>Was wetting myself for about 7 hours :D
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09:54<koollman>right. so you do know it's annoying. if you want to fsck your filesystem regularly ... make your own planning, don't wait for unexpected/unplanned reboots ;)
09:54<ComradeHaz`>I totally agree. I wasn't complaining, just surprised.
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10:40<teenboy>hi. Have a problem...
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10:46<blarson>!tell teenboy about ask
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10:46<blarson>teenboy: there's the answer for your problem
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10:49<lessyv>hi all
10:52<lessyv>please how can I tell dpkg-shlibdeps that a .so cames from a manual library install, a kind of source-depends but for library not debianized ?
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10:52<teenboy>problem this LibreOffice 3.3.3 with long time of closing and opening (process).
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10:54<teenboy>Files saving in 10-15 sec(
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10:55<sney>!ubuntuirc teenboy
10:55<dpkg>teenboy: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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10:55<teenboy>OK! Bye!
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10:56<paschi>Hello, I'm an newbie in Debian and I have a problem with my resolution. Can me help anywhere?
10:57<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
10:57<sney>what hardware?
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10:58<paschi>I'm using an notebook with an resolution of 1600x900 px and have an geforce GT540m
10:58<paschi>An I'm can only using 1024x768
10:58<__Alex_>What DE you use (If any)?
10:59<sney>have you installed any graphics drivers?
10:59<__Alex_>Desktop Envinroment
10:59<paschi>yes, i have download the driver from the nvidia page
10:59<lessyv>where can i find deb packagers please ? ;)
11:00<sney>lessyv: #debian-mentors
11:00<lessyv>yeah thanks sney
11:01<__Alex_>paschi: It's not really recommanded to install Drivers from internet, you should use apt instead
11:01<__Alex_>!tell paschi about nvidia dkms
11:01<sney>yeah, but the nvidia dkms in stable isn't new enough for gt540m
11:02<paschi>if i plug in my extern monitor with FullHD, then i can use only them with a resolution of 1280x768
11:03<paschi>but then my notebook screen is off
11:03<paschi>I use them over VGA Port and HDMI
11:03<wols>paschi: do you have an optimus card? if so what chip are you currently using?
11:04<paschi>i dont know where i can see this
11:05<paschi>we can also using my CPU as GPU i have an i7 2630 with an sandybrindge.
11:05<wols>in your Xorg.0.log
11:05<paschi>I dont want game with my notebook, only for work
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11:08<paschi>can i send you my xorg.0.log?
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11:08<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <>.
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11:08<paschi>the whole?
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11:09<sney>paschi: paste the whole thing into and link it here
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11:09<paschi>here is it
11:10<wols>!tell paschi about backports
11:11<wols>paschi: you need to install xorg and a backports kernel (2.6.39) from there so your sandybridge cpu is properly supported. then you can get a proper resolution as well
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11:11<paschi>OK, and where i can get this?
11:12<sney>!bdo kernel
11:12<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via Ask me about <bdo> to add to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae See also <bdo kernel lenny>.
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11:13<ballison>i have a dumb question. I have to go install a 1TB drive today and move the data over from a smaller (100MB) drive. I was just going to mount both drives and dd over the data. Problem is... if I dd from a 100MB drive to a 1TB drive isn't that just going to make a 100MB partition on the 1TB drive?
11:13<daemonkeeper>Ir is
11:13<daemonkeeper>*It is
11:14<Bushmills>depends what you dd.
11:14<ballison>daemonkeeper: That's what I thought. So I'd still have to grow the filesystem afterwards. and this is a just standard ext3 file systems.
11:14<Bushmills>you can dd a file to a file, but your could simply use cp for that purpose too
11:14<Bushmills>consider to use rsync
11:14<Bushmills>or cp
11:14<daemonkeeper>The lazy way would be not to dd, but to rsyncing to a new file system. That might also make sense if you want to upgrade to ext4. However, if your disk has a single partition only you can extend it easily after dding
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11:16<ballison>Bushmills: So boot single user, mkfs new drive, mount new drive and then rsync over the content.
11:16<ballison>daemonkeeper: what command do i use to grow a ext3 file system (cause I'm sure the source partition is ext3)
11:16<Bushmills>sounds about right. check args and switches of rsync before starting
11:17<daemonkeeper>ballison: Probably parted can do it convenient, however as sney says resize2fs after extending the partition barriers in fdisk
11:17<daemonkeeper>On a UMOUNTED filesystem of course.
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11:19<ballison>daemonkeeper: According to what i'm reading online dd will copy to the 1TB drive and fill the missing space with just zero's....
11:20<daemonkeeper>ballison: It does nothing for the space beyond the input file, but it does not matter after all. Your barrier is artificial, namely the partition table you copy along with your dd
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11:20<daemonkeeper>So you need to rearrange the partition table after dd'ing for being larger than before and covering the full new disk size.
11:20<daemonkeeper>That's easy if you have no partitions after the partition you want to extend.
11:21<Bushmills>after copying, whatever method you employed, you'll want to check up on your /etc/fstab
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11:23<daemonkeeper>Presuming you have a SINGLE partition (/dev/source1) only, do if=/dev/source of=/dev/target; fdisk /dev/target d n p 1 enter enter wq; e2fsck -vf /dev/target1; resize2fs /dev/target1
11:23<ballison>daemonkeeper: I wanted to use dd cause it just seemed easier, but the articles i'm reading are making it very unclear as to what it's going to do with the extra space on the destination (1TB drive).
11:23<daemonkeeper>see -^
11:23<ballison>yes i have a single partition disk (called /data) that's going to be moved to a newer bigger disk.
11:24<daemonkeeper>fdisk commands out of my head :>
11:24<daemonkeeper>YMMV :>
11:24<paschi>wols? Du bist doch deutsch oder nicht?
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11:24<daemonkeeper>and do: dd if=/dev/source of=/dev/targe of course.
11:24<daemonkeeper>and do: dd if=/dev/source of=/dev/target of course.
11:24<daemonkeeper>paschi: -ELANG
11:24<ballison>daemonkeeper: got it
11:25<wols>paschi: yes I am, but:
11:25<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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11:26<wols>paschi: you were doing fine so far in english, so no worries. and if you have any problems with gettting the backports, just ask
11:26<ballison>ok. i'll try the dd method first and see if that works.
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11:26<wols>ballison: use something like clonezilla. especially when it's a bigger disk
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11:26<ballison>wols: never used clonezilla
11:27<ballison>option two is mount new drive and rsync over content while in single user mode.
11:27<jhutchins_lt>ballison: The other alternative is to create the partition and filesystem on the target disk, then use a file-based copy instead of block based, something like rsync.
11:27<paschi>Yes, i have import now deb into my source.list, but if i make apt-get update, i get only errors :(
11:27<ballison>which means looking up how to get into single user mode on debian again.. i think it's just init=/bin/bash on the kernel line
11:27<daemonkeeper>jhutchins_lt: We already tolkd him ...
11:27<jhutchins_lt>daemonkeeper: k
11:27<wols>ballison: you said this is /data, why single user mode then?
11:27<daemonkeeper>ballison: You don't need single user mode, just don't do it on a mounted file system
11:28<wols>he can do it on a mounted filesystem just fine. as long as nothing writes to it. possibly remount it ro before copying if he can't shut down programs which access /data
11:28<ballison>wols: becaue they (developers) have daemons writting to the /data partition if i boot it up normally, and i don't want ot have to fuser/lsof around and find all the pids and have to kill them.
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11:29<ballison>daemonkeeper; can't unmount it if it's in use. easier to boot single user
11:29<daemonkeeper>Do whatever. Just make sure nothing can write to it, as wols suggested.
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11:30<valdyn>such a system should have been on lvm in the first place
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11:31<ballison>daemonkeeper: is there an option i can throw resize2fs to make the partition be the full size of the drive?
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11:32<valdyn>ballison: resize2fs does not resize partitions
11:32<lindi->ballison: by default it uses all available space
11:32<lindi->but yes, not partition
11:32<tidux>is the mipsel port 32 or 64 bit?
11:32<tidux>I'm thinking about getting one of the quad-core Loongson laptops when Lemote releases them
11:32<daemonkeeper>ballison: As I said, you need to extend the partition before. That's the fdisk sequence above.
11:33<daemonkeeper>And as I said too, in parted it may be more convenient.
11:33<daemonkeeper>But I have -ENOCLUE on such modern bits and pieces .
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11:34<valdyn>growing a partition is not exactly rocket science ..
11:34<daemonkeeper>It can be challenging if you want to grow a traditional partition within a set of partitions on a disk
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11:38<lindi->daemonkeeper: gparted is not the modern desktop way either :-))
11:39*lindi- hides
11:39<daemonkeeper>lindi-: I didn't say anything abot _g_parted :p
11:39<ballison>daemonkeeper: Please review commands -->
11:39<daemonkeeper>ballison: Obviously you want to replace /dev/source and /dev/target
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11:40<ballison>yes. if=/dev/sdb
11:40<ballison>not if=/dev/sdb1 ?
11:40<daemonkeeper>Not sdb1
11:41<ballison>take two -- >
11:42<ballison>error - mistake. i see it.
11:42<ballison>fdisk /dev/sdb should be fdisk /dev/sdc
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11:43<ballison>this should be correct -->
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11:44<ballison>it just seems strange to me to be running fdisk on a drive AFTER i've already copied over the data using dd... that seems strange.
11:44<ballison>cause normally the first thing you do is format the drive
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11:46<wols>fdisk doesn't format anything. in fact, you never ever format a harddisk. you can't anymore
11:46<ballison>wols: you format partitions.
11:47<tidux>wols: you mean low-level formatting?
11:47<tidux>LLF stopped being useful when HDD firmware started handling it automatically
11:47<daemonkeeper>ballison: wL5JUhjc looks ok
11:48<valdyn>ballison: windows calls it format or quick format, but its not formatting at all
11:49<tidux>maybe WINDOWS won't let you format
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11:50<ballison>daemonkeeper: I included option 2 rsyncing... in case i screw up the dd method (which is likely).
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11:51<ballison>daemonkeeper: The first "d" you have in your fdisk has me scared.. i think that's a delete.
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11:52<daemonkeeper>d(elete), n(ew) partition, p(rimary), number 1, start in first block (enter), end in last block (enter)
11:52<daemonkeeper>w(rite), q(uit)
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11:55<ballison>daemonkeeper: you don't have to give is a type 83 ?
11:55<daemonkeeper>Missed that, yes.
11:55<ballison>fdisk t l 83 ?
11:56<daemonkeeper>But Linux does not care too much about the partition type
11:56<ballison>so after the two enters, follow with t l 83
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11:56<paschi> I dont get the backports. I have import now "deb" into my source.list, but if i make "apt-get update", i get only errors :(
11:56<ballison>sorry t 1 83
11:57<ballison>"1" not "l"
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11:58<themill>paschi: did you follow the instructions on ?
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11:58<ballison>daemonkeeper - Please review -->
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12:00<daemonkeeper>ballison: Just play around? You can't screw up anything unless you write/dd/fdisk anything on your source disk.
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12:05<wols>ballison: no you don't format partitions. you create filesystems.
12:06<wols>paschi: tells you what to do. the deb line you quoted above is wrong/incomplete as you can clearly see on this page
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12:12<paschi>Yes, i have. But "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "package" " i can't find package.
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12:32<wols>paschi: which package do you want to install exactly? what name do you give?
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12:39<fVckingmania>hello to everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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12:40<fVckingmania>I need some help with postfix restrictions, can any body help me?
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12:46<wols>!tell fVckingmania about ask
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12:47<fVckingmania>I'm trying to restrict access to only some users can send and receive mail from certain domain, but the log back to me that the file is specified as invalid DB
12:47<babilen>fVckingmania: Also note that there is a #postfix channel on
12:47<fVckingmania>this is the error!!! Sep 23 12:28:20 mail postfix / smtpd [6621]: fatal: open database / etc / postfix / usuarios.db: Invalid argument
12:48<fVckingmania>babilen, yes I know but no body answer :(
12:48<wols>are the forward slashes just like that?
12:48<wols>and: you did run postmap to convert the db into the proper format?
12:48<fVckingmania>wols, yes
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12:50<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:51<fVckingmania>this is my smtpd_recipient_restrictions =
12:51<fVckingmania> permit_mynetworks,
12:51<fVckingmania> reject_unauth_destination,
12:51<fVckingmania> check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/usuarios,
12:51<fVckingmania> permit
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13:33<Sammitch>so I've got a fresh install of squeeze. what kind of voodoo do I have to do to get mdadm?
13:33<Sammitch>apt just says "Package mdadm is not available, but is referred to by another package."
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13:34<peterS>it most certainly should be available. something's wrong with your apt cache, or your sources.list.
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13:34<d0ct0r>how do i upgrade an application in debian? (from source)
13:34<Sammitch>if it's the cache, is it not cleared/rebuilt with apt-get update?
13:35<peterS>it is indeed. so does 'apt-cache policy mdadm' know about it?
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13:38<Sammitch>peterS: "mdadm: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table:" whatever that may mean.
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13:39<peterS>so it says Version table: but then no further lines?
13:39<cthuluh>did you do an aptitude update (and does your sources.list even contain repos?) ?
13:39<peterS>what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list file? it should contain something like: deb squeeze main
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13:41<Sammitch>I had a ucalgary mirror in originally, but I replaced it with "deb squeeze main" after I couldn't get mdadm
13:41<Sammitch>*then ran apt-get update
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13:48<peterS>Sammitch: this is probably unrelated, but sometimes when I'm using an http proxy, it messes up the timestamps for the Packages files. so to mitigate this, I will do 'rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*' before the 'apt-get update'. The rm will complain that it can't remove the 'partial' subdir, but that's fine
13:49<babilen>d0ct0r: What do you want to do exactly?
13:51<Sammitch>peterS: version table has no lines, not behind a proxy, deleted anyway, updated, problem remains.
13:52<peterS>Sammitch: very odd. mdadm is definitely in squeeze and on the mirrors.
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13:53<babilen>Sammitch: Please paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" + "apt-cache policy mdadm" to
13:53<peterS>Sammitch: only thing I can think at this point is that your /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin is corrupt and should be removed, then another apt-get update to regenerate it
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13:56<Sammitch>peterS: I'll try removing that file, see what happens.
13:56<d0ct0r>babilen: upgrade pidgin
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13:56<babilen>d0ct0r: From what to what?
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13:56<Sammitch>still no joy
13:57<babilen>!tell d0ct0r -about ssb
13:57<babilen>d0ct0r: You can try to backport 2.10 from sid
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13:58<d0ct0r>babilen: from 2.7.3 to 2.10.0
13:58<babilen>Sammitch: Ah, this is kfreebsd which explains why it is not available
13:58<peterS>Sammitch: well. you can always just 'wget' and dpkg -i it manually. I still don't know why this should happen.
13:58<peterS>oh! I totally missed that
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13:58<babilen>d0ct0r: Yeah, I recommend to backport the version in sid as detailed in the ssb factoid
13:59<peterS>yeah, kfreebsd won't use mdadm, will it? that's for software raid on Linux
13:59<peterS>the question is, what package are you trying to install that 'Depends:' on mdadm on kfreebsd-i386?
13:59<peterS>'cause that's a bug
14:00<babilen>(which should be filed)
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14:01<Sammitch>nothing that depends on it, it's just what I usually use for software mirroring. I guess I wasn't paying attention when I downloaded the install image
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14:01<peterS>man I have no excuse to not have thought about kfreebsd being the reason for mdadm not being available. I've got kfreebsd VMs of my own (in virtualbox), which I'm trying to use to debug a kfreebsd-specific bug in a testsuite in one of my packages
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14:01<peterS>(no luck on that so far, unfortunately)
14:01*babilen hands peterS a mug of hot chocolate ... it is OK :)
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14:03<Sammitch>ok so with kfreebsd and UFS am I SOL for software mirroring until someone ports over geom or something?
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14:05<babilen>Sammitch: As much as I would like to help you now ... but I have no idea. #debian-kbsd might know more. :-/
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14:07<Sammitch>bah! I'll just download the plain i386 image and reinstall. no use trying to figure out a debian/freebsd mutant when I already have an i386 debian cluster and other pure freebsd boxes lying around.
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14:08<Sammitch>thanks for the help guys, I'll try to be more aware of what I'm doing from now on. :D
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14:26<flungs>how do i get rid of synaptic requests for "Translation-en"?
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14:31<PovAddict>how do I convert .m4a to .mp3?
14:32<Aketzu>ffmpeg -i foo.m4a -ab 160k bar.mp3
14:32<PovAddict>lame can't read m4a, and if I use ffmpeg to decode the m4a into uncompressed audio to re-encode in lame afterwards, I lose id3
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14:32<PovAddict>ffmpeg does it :)
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14:36<Guest10560>is there a channel for this IRC server?
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14:36<PovAddict>there's an #oftc
14:36<jhutchins_lt>!tell PovAddict about dmm
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14:40<flungs>how do i get rid of synaptic requests for "Translation-en"?
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14:52<bike>hey, how can i not get this error with eclipse? The artifact file for osgi.bundle,org.apache.jasper,5.5.26 was not found.
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14:54<flungs>you might have better success at the eclipse channel
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14:55<bike>flungs, ok, thanks
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14:55<flungs>it's on freenode, i think
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14:56<bike>yep. did a quick google search
14:56<bike>thought this was on freenode to but not so apparently
14:56<flungs>oftc != freenode
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14:57<bike>yeah noticed, for some reason ive always thought it was
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15:13<ballison>daemonkeeper: You still here? the rules have changed on adding that new drive to the machine
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15:14<ballison>the problem is there are only -2- slots in the machine . slot 1 has the OS drive and slot 2 has /data ... so there's no place for me to put in the new drive and dd over the data
15:14<ballison>i'm going to have to use an external USB drive
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15:18<gruetzkopf>ballison, can you put the one of the 2 involved drives into a usb -> whatever adapter
15:19<ballison>gruetzkopf: Nope. I'm taking over an extra 1.5TB usb drive. Going to dd over the small drive to externl usb drive. Then put in new drive (internal) into the machine and dd the data back down (or rsync it down.. which ever)
15:20<bike>hum, ive noticed some weird bugs with gnome-terminal lately
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15:20<bike>using xfce and stuff though, but it resizes to a minimum
15:21<bike>and doesnt obey my theme
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15:35<valdyn>bike: on which debian release?
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15:38<jicko3>how do I just burn a directory structure to a DVD using wodim? There are plenty of "e
15:38<bike>valdyn, testing/unstable now
15:38<jicko3>"examples" in its manpage but no one addressing this one
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15:39<valdyn>bike: xfce uses gtk2, gnome-terminal gtk3, thats not just a version upgrade, its a different toolkit
15:40<bike>aaah, i see isee, still i havent seen the resize bug before tho
15:40<bike>and nautilus works
15:41<bike>oh well i can live with it , i just start it maximized, just a bit annoying at times
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15:43<ballison>when i plugged in my 1.5 TB USB drive it shows up as "fuseblk"
15:44<ballison>when i run fdisk -l against it I see -4- partitions. which makes no sense because it mounts as one big partition.
15:44<ballison>i was going to delete the partitions and make it just a ext3 drive.
15:44<jhutchins_lt>ballison: Filesystem in USEr space BLocK device
15:44<ballison>jhutchins_lt: Are there any problems with making a 1.5TB ext3 partition?
15:44<ballison>i don't understand why this shows up as -4- partitions.
15:45<jhutchins_lt>ballison: I don't know of any, but this is pretty common for flash memory devices.
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15:45<ballison>jhutchins_lt: notice how it shows -4- partitions. but when i mounts it mounts as only -1-
15:46<jhutchins_lt>ballison: how are you mounting it? What partition types does fdisk show?
15:46<ballison>oh i did /dev/sdb1 instead of /dev/sdb ....
15:47<ballison>fdisk -l /dev/sdb works as expected
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15:53<aussa>hi, I'm getting this warning when I run xscreensaver-demo: The XScreenSaver daemon doesn't seem to be running on display ":0.0:. Launch it now?, how do I solve that, how do I run xscreensaver daemon on startup?
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16:14<ManuelCalavera>Hello everybody. I want to change the keyboard layout at the startup. Where's the file to configure that located? thanks!
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16:34<carlos_> i need help in spanish
16:34<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:35<rott>bsera a tutti
16:35<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
16:35<rott>ok tks
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16:44<aussa>I installed nvidia drivers with the nvidia installer, then I uninstall it, is there a way to check it was successfully uninstalled?
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17:08<mshuler>installer? as in, not the debian package, but the scripted installer from nvidia's site?
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17:10<rott>chi mi può con i comandi irc? x favore
17:10<ml|>aussa: Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on
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17:11<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:11<wols>rott: /join #debian-it
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17:17<anbe>aussa, the nvidia-installer-cleanup Debian package (available in wheezy and sid) takes care to remove any traces left by the nvidia-installer (at least the traces that have proven problematic when installing the Debian nvidia packages and therefore is a pre-dependency of all these packages) And it also takes care that you can't use the nvidia-installer again without removing all Debian nvidia packages first
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17:21<Neo>my debian-installer image doesn't have the sdhci-pci.ko kernel module. how does one go about fixing this?
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17:29<ml|>dpkg: kmuto
17:29<dpkg>Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions:
17:30<ml|>Neo: ^ you can try the above; but apt-file tells me that is only in linux-image-3.0.0-1
17:30<Neo>ah i see...
17:31<Neo>i'll go ahead and try it
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17:31<ml|>Neo: do you need that from the start?
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17:31<ml|>judd: kernels
17:31<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny4)
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17:32<Neo>ml|: It needs to be at least during installation
17:33<Neo>as i plan on installing on an SDHC Memory card
17:33<Neo>and taht is my sdcard driver
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17:36<ml|>Neo: looks like your only option right now is to try with the kmuto image and wait for one that has linux-image-3.0.0-1 if it does not work or perhaps try with a testing installer; but testing installers might have bugs, plus that is not stable
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17:37<Neo>ah I see ml|... If kumto doesn't work for me, could creating my own install image be an option?
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17:39<ml|>perhaps but I can't help or know about that
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19:39<Demarchification>alguém ai
19:39<Demarchification>every one there?
19:40<devil>Demarchification: ask your question
19:41<Demarchification>i don't have any question...yet
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19:41<Demarchification>just sign first time in irc...
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19:41<devil>well, welcome
19:42<Demarchification>i braziliam, so sorry for my bad english
19:42<Demarchification>i'm learning it yet
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19:49<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:49<daemonkeeper>(if you want)
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21:02<toni>alguien castellano
21:02<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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22:10<sesshomaru>how do you configure your ssh server?
22:11<nutterpc>how do u configure it?
22:12<nutterpc>\its called cli
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22:12<nutterpc>vi or nano
22:12<nutterpc>take ur pick
22:12<sesshomaru>how do you get there?
22:12<wd40s>edit the config file, replace yes with no or vice versa in the various places
22:13<wd40s>sudo vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config
22:13<sesshomaru>i don,t have sudo
22:13<wd40s>then you cant edit it
22:13<sesshomaru>what about su?
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22:14<wd40s>su makes you root so thats fine
22:14<sesshomaru>you need sudo to configure it?
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22:14<wd40s>you need root privledges to configure it
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22:16<binarymutant>sesshomaru: what distro are you using?
22:16<binarymutant>sesshomaru: debian?
22:16<wd40s>distribution Ubuntu, Debian, etc?
22:16<sesshomaru>yes i,m using Debian.
22:17<binarymutant>sesshomaru: become root then type 'apt-get install sudo'. Save yourself some pain in the future :D
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22:19<sesshomaru_>now what?
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22:20<wd40s>ello govna
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22:21<sesshomaru__>anything you do next after apt-get install sudo?
22:22<wd40s>to configure the ssh sever?
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22:22<dvs>sesshomaru: add yourself to the sudo group
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22:22<sesshomaru_>i already did.
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22:23<binarymutant>sesshomaru: 'sudo vim /etc/ssh/ssh_config' thats how you edit it :D
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22:25<wd40s>also 'sudo vim /etc/ssh/sshd_config'
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22:27<sesshomaru_>nothing's happening
22:27<amitz>sorry, sudo emacs /etc/ssh/sshd_config is the correct version.
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22:29<sesshomaru_>didn,t work
22:30<amitz>sigh, sudo nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config ?
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22:32<amitz>i guess nano is superior to both emacs and vim.
22:32<sesshomaru_>now how do you get it to run no port 16161?
22:34<sesshomaru_>i need it to configure my ssh server to run on port 16161.
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22:34<sesshomaru_>now how to make it run?
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22:35<amitz>make sure the file is edited correctly. /etc/init.d/ssh reload
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22:40<sesshomaru_>it says [read 86 lines]
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22:43<sesshomaru_>g for get out x for exit ^r stands for read file ^w = where is ^y=previous page ^v = next page ^k = cut text ^u =uncut text ^c=cut pose ^t=to spell now what?
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23:08<sesshomaru_>how do i go to port 16161?
23:08<jby_>brasil sao pAULO
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23:11<amitz>edit, exit, choose to save.
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23:12<sesshomaru_>what changes am i suppose to make?
23:13<rnowak>sesshomaru_: /etc/ssh/sshd_config - the Port setting near top
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23:14<sesshomaru_>it says port 22 when i need port 16161.
23:14<rnowak>Yes, so change 22 to 16161, save the file, restart sshd.
23:15<sesshomaru_>how do i change it to port 16161?
23:15<rnowak>You edit it with your favorite text editor
23:15<rnowak>like ed, nano, vim, emacs or any other that you're familiar with
23:16<ml|>don't use port 16161 now since just told half the world ;)
23:17<sesshomaru__>it,s not a random port
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23:38<Neo>i've specificly found the problem with debian-installer. neither mmc-core-modules-3.0.0-1-amd64-di_1.83_amd64.udeb or mmc-modules-3.0.0-1-amd64-di_1.83_amd64.udeb contain sdhci-pci.ko
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