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00:02<Golfgeo>Hi all
00:03<babilen>acroporas: → #debian-next (but come back in a few hours) -- Essentially: Install applicable packages manually and pin/hold them -- you should also check the bts for applicable bugs (#639875 / #639737 / #641344 / ...)
00:04<Golfgeo>Working on getting virtualbox running on my router (for openwrt routing) and am setting up the network interfaces... I need to bridge the fhysical interface with the virtual one of my guest OS and how does this work with virtualbox... via bridge-utils?
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00:07<acroporas>babilen: thanks, I'll see you? in #debian-next
00:09<Golfgeo>will try in #vbox
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00:26<Guest12184>hello - i inherrited a debian box that runs off monolithic kernels. I need to be able to modprobe usb-storage and i can't because it's a monolithic kernel.
00:26<Guest12184>so i found the kernels that were alrady installed on the box that actually have /lib/modules installed and tried to change grub to boot those kernels and they all fail with the error "root=" unknown can't locate /dev/sda2
00:27<Guest12184>i can't figure this grub config out. usually i've seen "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-blahblah... but this time it's "kernel /vmlinuz-blachblah" without the /boot in front.
00:27<Guest12184>but this does have a /boot partition.
00:28<nevyn>/vmlinuz-blachblah should be a simlink into /boot/vmlinuz-blachblah
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00:29<Guest12184>here's what my grub/menu.lst looks like -->
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00:30<Guest12184>nevyn: but it's not. the only sym link is for /vmlinuz -> /boot/vmlinuz
00:30<Guest12184>that's it
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00:30<Schwaggg>hello guys, need help setting up grub to dual boot windows and debian
00:30<Schwaggg>can someone im me
00:30<Guest12184>nevyn: yeah - i know... because the monilithic kernels ( both boot no problem
00:31<Guest12184>but the kernels that were installed using dpkg all fail to boot with the message that it was unable to locate root=/dev/sda2
00:32<babilen>2.6.19 -- modern archeology
00:33<Schwaggg>update-grub isnt doing anything, the two operating systems are on the same hdd, just different partitions
00:33<Guest12184>babilen: like i said - i did not build this host...
00:35<Guest12184>Schwagg: have you read the how-to's?
00:36<nevyn>Guest12184: how did you install the monolythic kernel?
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00:36<Guest12184>babilen: the thing I'm not understanding is why when it loads the monolithic kernels it loads them fine, but when i try to boot the modular kernels it says it can't ind root=/dev/sda2
00:37<Guest12184>nevyn: I did not install them. this box was given to me. someone installed them manually
00:37<nevyn>do they have deb files?
00:37<Schwaggg>im not that tech savvy, can you walk me through it?
00:37<nevyn>Guest12184: is make-initrd installed?
00:37<Schwaggg>i have debian on what would be c:/ and windows on what would be d:/
00:38<Guest12184>nevyn: i have the debian kernel-image packages installed . those are the kernels that give me the can not find root=/dev/sda2 errors
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00:38<nevyn>Guest12184: so the debian linux-image packages rely on initrd
00:39<Guest12184>so i tried adding a initrd /initrd-blablah line to the grub/menu.lst and that didn't work either
00:39<nevyn>Guest12184: you probably have to fix the grub.conf
00:40<nevyn>yeah that...
00:40<nevyn>the / is a reference to grub root
00:41<nevyn>usually /boot
00:41<Schwaggg>ive got no menu.lst
00:42<nevyn>Schwaggg: so you can't boot anything?
00:42<Guest12184>nevyn: when i tried to prepend /boot/ to the lines i couldn't tab complete in grub .. so grub couldn't find them images if i used a /boot in front of it... even though the files live in /boot
00:43<Schwaggg>im booting debian just fine, just cant find the menu.lst file to add my windows partition
00:44<Schwaggg>and update-grub is not finding the windows partition, which is on the same hdd
00:44<Guest12184>nevyn: so you are saying this should work then -->
00:44<nevyn>Guest12184: that's what I'm saying
00:44<Guest12184>nevyn: i added the initrd lines
00:45<nevyn>Guest12184: / in grub is not the same as / in linux
00:45<Guest12184>nevyn: i marked the two non-monolithic kernels with the word "fails"
00:46<nevyn>Guest12184: yeah that looks right.
00:47<Guest12184>ok... going to try and reboot and see what error i get this time.
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00:51<Schwaggg>so no one can help?
00:51<Schwaggg>isnt there an easy way to add the indows partition to grub?
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00:52<ballison-home>nyven: this is Guest9393994 from before
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00:56<nevyn>ballison-home: still broken?
00:57<Schwaggg>how do you add windows partion to grub2?
00:57<Schwaggg>how do you add windows partion to grub2?
00:57<Schwaggg>how do you add windows partion to grub2?
00:57<Schwaggg>how do you add windows partion to grub2?
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00:57<Schwaggg>someone answer jesus
00:59<vivek>Check this link :
00:59<babilen>Schwaggg: Please do not repeat the same question multiple times -- You want to install os-prober and run update-grub
01:00<Schwaggg>done both
01:01<Schwaggg>it says it finds the two kernels, backgrounds etc, but no windows partition
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01:02<Schwaggg>it didnt work..... obv or i wouldnt be here
01:03<Schwaggg>does the windows partition need to be mounted in order for os-prober to work>?
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01:04<vivek><Schwaggg> :
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01:05<Schwaggg>ive looked at all those....
01:05<Schwaggg>im asking for help in here for a reason, ive googled long enough
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01:13<Schwaggg>theres my grub.cfg
01:14<Schwaggg>how do i add windows too it?
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01:15<ballison-home>nevyn: rebooting now
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01:17<ballison-home>nevyn: i think that did it.
01:18<Schwaggg>is there an easy way to add windows to my grub.cfg?
01:18<Schwaggg> heres a copy of it
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01:20<ballison-home>yay! That worked !!! I can now modprobe usb-storage
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01:26<ballison-home>nevyn: totally worked!!!
01:26<ballison-home>now i can "modprobe usb-storage"!!
01:26<ballison-home>now i can "mount -t ext3 /dev/sdc1 /mnt/usb"
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01:45<ballison-home>nevyn: thanks for your help !!
01:45<ballison-home>i'm rsyncing right now. that was driving me crazy... couldn't figure out why the monolithic kernels would boot, but the modular ones would not.
01:45<ballison-home>adding the initrd lines did the trick!
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02:01<Osiris_X>anyone here replaced initramfs-tools with dracut in debian?
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03:55<valdyn>Guest12184: why do you consider using it?
03:55<valdyn>wrong nick
03:55<valdyn>Osiris_X: why do you consider using it?
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04:26<tiresias>hello all
04:26<tiresias>just changed my ;other card and grap card
04:26<tiresias>trying to boot with kernel #
04:27<tiresias>and have this message:
04:27<texas>hey yall
04:27<tiresias>xhci-hcd failed to enable MSI-X
04:27<tiresias>(mother card and graph card)
04:29<wols_>tiresias: what mainboard chipset do you use now and what kernel version do you run?
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04:29<wols_>and please give us the actual error message
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04:30<tiresias>wols_, where can i find the actual message (it appears quickly when booting but don t know if there are others0
04:31<wols_>if you can't answer that, then please answer the other questions first
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04:32<wols_>btw: how is this message above an error? in what way does it prevent you doing something?
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04:34<tiresias>mothercard: gigabyte GA-p67X-ud3-b3
04:34<tiresias>(nothing before this message: it s the first one after grub)
04:34<tiresias>kernel = 3.0.0-1
04:34<wols_>then what is your actual problem?
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04:35<tiresias>the boot fail (stop with a black screen)
04:35<wols_>what videocard?
04:35<tiresias>gigabyte GTX570
04:36<tiresias>processor intel core i7
04:36<tiresias>i can boot in recovery mode but not in normal mode
04:37<wols_>disable your displaymanager and kms then
04:37<wols_>!tell tiresias about nodm
04:38<wols_>tiresias: /msg dpkg kms
04:42<tiresias>wols_, you think the problem come from drivers are not integrated to the kernel yet?
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04:44<wols_>since you don't give us any meaningful error message we can't tell where the problem comes from. the message you gave has nothing to do with it (it's for UBS 3.0) and not a fatal problem
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04:44<wols_>at most, that message would prevent you from using usb3.0, not giving you a black screen
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04:45<tiresias>wols_, where can i find a meaningful error message?
04:46<wols_>tiresias: have you done what I told you?
04:47<wols_>and when you rebooted, what happened?
04:47<tiresias>wols_, now it boots in console mode (not installed the graphical server you said yet)
04:47<wols_>so now check your logfiles
04:48<wols_>or try to start X
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04:51<tiresias>/var/log/boot.log is usefuul?
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04:53<gruetzkopf>how does one get iceweasel newer than 3.x in squeeze?
04:53<wols_>no it's not
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04:53<madduck>what to do on a system where a call to 'sync' never completes
04:53<wols_>madduck: checked kernel log?
04:53<madduck>the system seems fine otherwise, but there are 11 processes in 'D' state, but they seem not to do anything
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04:54<madduck>iotop and block_dump both don't report any I/O
04:54<wols_>tiresias: have you tried running X yet?
04:55<tiresias>wols_, with what command?
04:55<wols_>tiresias: have you considered running debian stable?
04:56<tiresias>wols_, i had debian stable
04:56<tiresias>wols_, i tried to fix the boot problem by installing kernek 3
04:56<wols_>ah, you broke it on purpose then
04:56<tiresias>wols_, but doesnt fix the problem
04:57<wols_>changing over to debian testing was a bad thing to do
04:57<tiresias>wols_, also tried to reinstall by running a live cd (the netinst one, also tried ubuntu) but the live cd doesnt work
04:58<wols_>run startx and check your Xorg.0.log then
04:58<wols_>probably have to install nvidia drivers too since nouveau probably won't work too well with the gf570
04:59<wols_>tiresias: what debian do you actaully run btw?
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04:59<tiresias>wols_, installation were done on stable and i installed the .deb of the kernel 3
05:00<wols_>tiresias: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1
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05:00<jordi_>anybody out there???
05:00<tiresias>wols_, the Xorg file gives at the end: failed to load the nvidia kernel module please check your system s kernel log for additional message
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05:02<wols_>tiresias: that error message is due to your new 3.0 kernel
05:02<jordi_>simply question, but cannot solve... I've installed my xubuntu onto ACER ASPIRE ONE. System is running correctly. I want to change the appearance theme. I downloaded the new theme, and all forums tell me drag&drop in Appearance->Theme, but I cannot found that tab.. :(
05:02<jordi_>thanks in advance
05:02<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
05:04<madduck>seriously, why is Linux I/O so crap?
05:04<wols_>tiresias: you need to disable KMS permanently and backport the nvidia drivers for debian testing to squeeze
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05:04<tiresias>wols_, omg
05:04<madduck>how the fuck can a pvmove process completely hose the system? It completely blocks I/O it seems
05:04<madduck>does the kernel not know what "scheduling" means?
05:05<tiresias>wols_, what is kms?
05:05<wols_>!tell tiresias about kms
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05:13<valdyn>madduck: it does not completely block I/O
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05:14<madduck>valdyn: no, not completely. But /bin/ls does not output anything and stays in 'D' state forever.
05:14<madduck>even after pvmove finishes!
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05:15<valdyn>madduck: thats a bug, but thats not scheduling
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05:15<Wall>Hi all :)
05:15<tiresias>wols_, what nvidia package is needed? there s a lot
05:15<madduck>valdyn: what else?
05:15<irene>you speak espanish?
05:16<ladoga>i've read some critism of CFS, but that doesn't sound like it
05:16<valdyn>madduck: i dont know the bug or i would fix it
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05:17<ladoga>that in some scenarios, where there is shitload of processes it uses too much CPU to try to give them equal time
05:17<valdyn>madduck: I've done alot of pvmoves, never had serious problems. The slow down is usually bad, so you dont want to do it on disks that have work to do
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05:17<ladoga>and thus gets nothing done
05:17<valdyn>ladoga: "CFS" ?
05:17<archman>Hello, is there a way to make "gnome-session-save --shutdown-dialog" run Hibernate (with uswsusp) as a normal user? I've just installed and set up uswsusp which works good, and even the "Hibernate" button in gnome-session-save" dialog appeared, but when I click on it, it just gets back to the desktop
05:17<archman>debian squeeze (stable); uswsusp 1.0.0 (from sid); GNOME 2.30.2
05:18<ladoga>valdyn: completely fair scheduler
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05:18<madduck>valdyn: yeah, sure. And it makes sense that pvmove comes with heavy impact, but this is permanent damage (where permanent == uptime)
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05:18<valdyn>madduck: I dont think you can modify scheduling at all
05:18<madduck>ladoga: this is a process scheduler, I am talking I/O (I think)
05:19<madduck>valdyn: well, /sys/block/*/queue/scheduler *is* writeable
05:19<valdyn>madduck: sure it is but were talking about kernel threads here, not processes
05:19<madduck>are we?
05:19<madduck>you mean kcopyd?
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05:20<valdyn>madduck: looks right, but i don't remember the names
05:20<madduck>Well, it has a PID and I can modify its I/O scheduling class to idle
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05:20<madduck> 4840 idle root 4.70 M/s 0.00 B/s 0.00 % 0.00 % [kcopyd]
05:20<Osiris_X>valdyn: I consider using dracut, because initramfs-tools still doesn't initialise LVM partitions before hibernate funtionality kicks in
05:21<madduck>Osiris_X: sure it does
05:21<Osiris_X>madduck: it doesn't for me - using ver 0.99
05:21<ladoga>madduck: sorry, i should have read before replying
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05:22<madduck>Osiris_X: ls /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/{local-top/lvm2,local-premount/resume}
05:22<madduck>local-top runs to completion before local-premount starts
05:22<madduck>Osiris_X: I bet your problem is solved if you add rootdelay=15 to the kernel boot command line
05:23<madduck>Oct 1 11:08:56 shelter kernel: [ 600.429048] INFO: task ls:4870 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
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05:25<Wall>Has anybody got any experience with netatalk?
05:26<Osiris_X>madduck: hmm I will investigate your suggestion shortly - just need to fix a java app compile problem first :) thx
05:26<madduck>java compile. hahahahahahaa
05:27<madduck>Wall: yes: avoid it if you can. ;)
05:27<Wall>madduck: OK :D
05:27<madduck>that was easy, one soul saved.
05:28<Wall>madduck: I'm just looking for a way to share files between my OS X and Debian systems while avoiding Samba like the plague. ANy ideas?
05:28<Osiris_X>madduck: :) well package build rather than compile
05:29<madduck>Wall: samba is pretty alright, actually.
05:29<madduck>Wall: it's the least evil of them, IME
05:29<madduck>best alternative: sshfs
05:29<madduck>depends on whether you are the only user or there are more users…
05:30<Wall>madduck: It's impossible to configure properly. For some reason it's impossible to log into an OS X volume as a registered user. All I can access is the public folder.
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05:30<madduck>Wall: I am sure apple did whatever they could to make samba "intuitive" on OS X
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05:31<valdyn>!wikifaq Wall Permissions
05:31<dpkg>Wall: check out or if that doesn't work, try
05:31<madduck>set it up on debian instead and use osx as a client. I don't think osx was ever designed to be anything else than a frontend anyway
05:31<Wall>madduck: I've tried workarounds available on the net, with a /media/network folder as mountpoint and all that, the result is highly unpredictable
05:32<ladoga>what would be the best I/O scheduler for SSD drives?
05:32<Wall>when it does work, some of my own folders on the mac are still inaccessible (say, I can access the "desktop" folder but not the "pictures" folder — ridiculous)
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05:33<Wall>madduck: that's why I'd rather find a way to make Debian use AFP instead
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05:34<Wall>btw valdyn thanks for the links re. permissions
05:34<valdyn>ladoga: why would an ssd need a special scheduler?
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05:34<Wall>Sorry, duty calls, be back in a while
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05:35<valdyn>ladoga: what i/o schedulers do not do is to optimise head movement afaik
05:35<valdyn>ladoga: so you would use the same scheduler as for a common harddisk
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05:35<valdyn>ladoga: hmm, im wrong, they do some of that stuff
05:36<valdyn>ladoga: but even an ssd will benefit from ordering by locality
05:37<Osiris_X>madduck: should the fact that I have patched my kernel with tux-on-ice matter in my lvm mount/resume problem?
05:37<ladoga>valdyn: i was reading this
05:37<madduck>Osiris_X: quite possibly. I do not know anymore how tux-on-ice resumes
05:38<madduck>(and I used to be the suspend2 maintainer…)
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05:39<valdyn>ladoga: "memory backed devices" putting flash and ram into the same basket - im not sure thats a good idea
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05:39<ladoga>valdyn: but the answer doesn't go much into details
05:39<ladoga>valdyn: yeah
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05:40<valdyn>ladoga: reordering on flash can make alot of sense anyway. I have no idea about how this will play out on real loads
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05:42<wols_>valdyn: what do you mean with "reordering"?
05:42<valdyn>wols_: what the anticipatory does -> sort accesses by proximity
05:42<wols_>at least in terms of SSDs. how is it beneficial for SSDs?
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05:43<valdyn>wols_: blocks are huge, if hd caches are evicted before i access the same block a 2nd time then i have to read a whole block twice
05:43<wols_>with them, it doesn't matter since there is no physical read head to move anywhere. and it is totally pointless since the wear levelling algorithm makes sure you never know in which cell your data is anyways
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05:44<valdyn>wols_: near 1024kb blocks will likely be on the same flash hw block
05:45<wols_>valdyn: there is no reordering done. just sensible filesystem layout. then the scheduler has its data "local" in its blocks
05:45<valdyn>wols_: read the part about the anticipatory elevator:
05:46<valdyn>wols_: i know seeks are cheap on ssd, but reading a block is not cheap
05:46<archman>how to make hibernation button on gnome debian work with uswsusp?
05:47<r4co0n>I am looking for a way to password(weak)-protect a keyfile(strong) on an usb stick used to unlock an external hdd. I thought I read this can be done, but can't find out how right now...
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05:52<valdyn>r4co0n: gpg or gnupg do this
05:52<r4co0n>I can let the system try to first unlock the usb-stick if present and then use the unlocked partition to make the hdd readable, right? but is there a way this is supported when trying to access the data via freeOTFE while at Redmond-infected systems?
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05:53<r4co0n>valdyn: Is this an option offered while normal(expert) installation or do I have to set-up the cryptospace before installing debian on the external hdd.
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05:53<valdyn>r4co0n: or ssh-keygen or uh, i dont know what youre using for your key
05:54<valdyn>r4co0n: i dont know debians installer really
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05:55<valdyn>r4co0n: what is your keyfile?
05:56<valdyn>r4co0n: do you already have one?
05:57<r4co0n>Haven't decided yet on key-generator. The thing is, this is for a teacher who doesn't trust his pupils but might want to use his exam-files at school. He may not be able to boot to linux from every PC there, so I wanted to give an os-tool called freeOFTE on an unencrypted partition on the hdd. the thing is, I don't know if unlocking via encrypted keyfile is possible outside linux...
05:57<r4co0n>valdyn: no keyfile yet.
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05:57<r4co0n>I hope this is understandable...
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05:58<r4co0n>Strong encryption is really wanted, but the data has to stay accessible.
05:59<valdyn>r4co0n: this freeotfe does not look as if you could use it on windows
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06:00<valdyn>r4co0n: err, its a tool to access luks volumes from windows?
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06:01<r4co0n>valdyn: this is how i understood it...
06:02<r4co0n>valdyn: this is what i want, isn't it?
06:02<valdyn>r4co0n: yes
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06:02<r4co0n>i just considered two needed passphrases, a manually entered key and a plainly stored file on usb
06:03<valdyn>r4co0n: ok - having a passphrase protected key is not a problem - but i cant tell you if freeotfe will work at all or if it will do the right thing in this case
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06:03<r4co0n>though this seems weaker, if the long, plainly stored key gets exposed I suppose security is somewhat down the drain already
06:04<r4co0n>seems likely, at least
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06:06<r4co0n>valdyn: Can you point me to some howto on passphrase-protecting a keyfile with luks and gpg/gnupg? I think I will try the hard way if it will be accessible via freeofte.
06:07<r4co0n>valdyn: thanks very much already btw
06:08<valdyn>r4co0n: try freeotfe, it should already do what you want...
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06:09<valdyn>r4co0n: hmm
06:09<r4co0n>valdyn: i will, but first I need to setup a booting debian external hdd getting unlocked by a password-protected thumbdrive.
06:10<valdyn>r4co0n: freeotfe generates the key from the passphrase
06:10<valdyn>r4co0n: doesnt look like you can inject a key on top of that without modifying that program
06:11<r4co0n>r4co0n: thanks for digging through that, i couldnt get my head around it. so I will go for plainly password-protecting the hdd to ensure compatibility :/ But that gets me to keep the thumb-drive :D
06:13<r4co0n>valdyn: thanks for digging through that, i couldnt get my head around it. so I will go for plainly password-protecting the hdd to ensure compatibility :/ But that gets me to keep the thumb-drive :D P.S. talking to yourself makes you seem creepy
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06:16<valdyn>r4co0n: truecrypt can use password + keyfile
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06:20<r4co0n>valdyn: thats another story... i had a look at it but couldnt figure out how to get it running on debian...
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06:23<r4co0n>i assume it is not possible to use truecrypt to encrypt the debian root partition. but i could use it for a partition mounted /home/user/crypto and encrypt the system's swap with random keys...
06:23<Wall>Back in business ;)
06:24<Wall>I'm still looking for ways of getting my Debian to see remote Mac OS X volumes without using Samba... Any ideas?
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06:25<Wall>(Using AFP — Apple Filesharing Protocol — would be nice)
06:26<daemonkeeper>While I don't know, I would assume MacOS also supports NFS - having its BSD code base in mind.
06:27<wols_>,info netatalk
06:27<judd>Package netatalk (net, extra) in squeeze/i386: AppleTalk user binaries. Version: 2.1.2-2; Size: 1273.3k; Installed: 3200k; Homepage:
06:27<wols_>Wall: isn't that what you need?
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06:28<Wall>daemonkeeper: Thing is, I would happily use Samba if it wasn't somehow broken in Linux. It's really simple to configure in OS X (all you need to do is activate it in the GUI, then add users), but for some time Linux hasn't let you login as a registered user: it shows you the public folder and doesn't prompt you for username and password...
06:28<Wall>wols_: yes, sounds like it is, but does it work both ways or does it only allow Macs to see Linux volumes?
06:28<daemonkeeper>Samba works very well on Linux for both, client and server support.
06:28<wols_>Wall: other way around
06:28<wols_>Wall: and your samba problems are pebkac
06:29<r4co0n>for truecrypt support i have to install from external source,
06:29<Wall>wols_: pebkac?
06:29<dpkg>somebody said pebkac was Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK, PEBMAC, PICNIC, PEBRHAL
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06:29<wols_>!tell r4co0n about truecrypt
06:30<Wall>wols_: I'm not the only one to experience those
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06:30<valdyn>Wall: the fact that theres more than 1 person unable to set up samba properly does not mean that samba is in any way broken
06:31<wols_>Wall: hint: that prompt is not created by linux when you try to access a share on linux samba from OSX
06:31<SynrG>there exists a class of software that is sufficiently complex that the documentation must be read and the software configured before it will serve the needs of the users. in its default configuration, samba doesn't do what you want. that doesn't mean it's broken.
06:31<Wall>valdyn: wish I could find the webpages where I saw it discussed. It might have to do with PPC distros only though
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06:31<SynrG>existence of other OSes that set up defaults differently notwithstanding
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06:32<valdyn>Wall: btw, samba is not involved when *seeing* remote volumes
06:32<valdyn>Wall: samba is *only* the server part
06:32<Wall>valdyn: OK
06:33<valdyn>Wall: try "smbtree" if you haven't
06:33<Wall>valdyn: the problem is not 'seeing' the volume (once I have Samba activated on the OS X computer, it appears all right), the problem is logging into it as a registered user. I am not offered the possibility to authenticate
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06:34<Wall>valdyn: will do
06:34<wols_>Wall: so how do you try to "log in"?
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06:34<wols_>Wall: and from what machine/desktop environment/etc?
06:34<Wall>wols_: I can't !
06:34<Wall>wols_: from Debian squeeze PPC, with Gnome or xfce environment regardless
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06:35<wols_>Wall: if you cannot even try, then I suggest you learn how to use your computer first
06:35<valdyn>Wall: the answer is something like "i double click in xfce"
06:35<Wall>I'd appreciate it if you didn't take me for a complete eejit
06:35<wols_>Wall: then use mount -t cifs for a change. it has nice error messages if it breaks
06:35<wols_>Wall: and your xfce or gnome crap has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with any samba AT ALL.
06:36<SynrG>Wall: the question was "how do you try?" your answer was "I can't". i don't think anyone's taking you for an idiot. you just failed to answer the question.
06:36<wols_>Wall: I'd appreciate it if you would know what you are talking about and could clearly communicate the problem too. but we don't always get what we want...
06:36<Wall>wols_: I was answering your question
06:36<Wall>wols_: (about configuration)
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06:38<Wall>SynrG: When I navigate to Network > Workgroup > My OS X computer (in Gnome e.g.), and double-click it, I'm taken directly to the public folder, with no option to login as a registered user. That is why I cannot login using the GUI.
06:39<wols_>Wall: smbclient -L <OSX computer name>
06:39<SynrG>Wall: the question remains unanswered. you said "the problem is logging into it as a registered user". the question was "how do you try to 'log in'?"
06:40<SynrG>Wall: sorry, i typed the above when looking at the backlog
06:40<SynrG>Wall: that's what we were looking for
06:42<Wall>I did find a workaround somewhere on the Internet, using smbfs and fuse and setting up a folder inside the /media folder as mountpoint, but that only works randomly: either the created folder disappears after a while (it shows up with a ls -l but the system is unable to assess its permissions and it is unretrievable), or I do access my files on the OS X computer, but some folders are randomly out of reach even though they belong to the
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06:48<Wall>Got to go now, but if you think of anything I'll be very grateful if you post it and I'll scroll back to it :)
06:48<Wall>Thanks for your help so far ;)
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06:56<alkap>looks like debian squeeze no longer uses /etc/fstab to automount removable drives like, DVDs and USB memory sticks. would that be right?
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06:57<dpkg>If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <usb mount>, <pmount>, <ivman> or <halevt>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>.
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06:59<alkap><dpkg> it's a desktop setup
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06:59<alkap><dpkg> running gnome
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07:02<SynrG>alkap: dpkg is a bot
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07:03<SynrG>alkap: you can query the bot on a number of topics. all of the things in angle-brackets above are topics
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07:04<alkap>< SynrG> i see; and i thought i was talking to a person; ha, ha
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07:05<alkap>< SynrG> about my initial question... if it's no longer my /etc/fstab who's telling debian how to automount removable drives, is it gnome-volume-manager then that does?
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07:06<SynrG>i'm unclear on that point, as i'm not a gnome user
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07:06<SynrG>the factoid implies it is
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07:09<alkap>i see; thanks; was just wandering, because when i first installed the system, it wouldn't automount removable drives for me, so i had to edit the /etc/fstab file to instruct the system how to automount removable drives for me;
07:09<SynrG>did you do a full install of gnome?
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07:10<alkap><SynrG> i did; that was when debian squeeze first came out as a stable release;
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07:10<SynrG>my experience is that when you plug in a removable drive, a mountpoint is created under /media, named after the id of the device, and the device is mounted. that is using lxde ... however, my wife's system does something similar and she runs gnome
07:11<SynrG>nothing needed to be added to /etc/fstab to make that work. it "just worked"
07:11<SynrG>that being said, we are now both on sid, so comparing with our setup is not going to be very instructive for you
07:11<alkap><SynrG> that's the way it work for me at the moment too
07:11<alkap><SynrG> that's ok;
07:12<alkap>thanks for your input anyway;
07:12<SynrG>are you in the 'plugdev' group? that may be relevant
07:12<SynrG>type 'groups'
07:12<alkap><SynrG> i'll have a look...
07:12<alkap>i am;
07:14<SynrG>when you say 'removable device', what specific kind of device is that?
07:15<alkap><SynrG> CDs/DVDs/USB memory sticks;
07:15<alkap><SynrG> they do automount no problem;
07:15<SynrG>but they should not require anything in /etc/fstab for that
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07:15<SynrG>as they should be automounted under /media
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07:16<alkap><SynrG> for some reason they wouldn't initially; could be something i did wrong when setting the system up in the first place;
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07:17<alkap><SynrG> nevermind; things work fine in that area; just thought i'd ask anyway;
07:17<SynrG>possibly the plugdev thing? dunno. i think the initial user is added to plugdev ...
07:17<alkap><SynrG> thanks for being willing to help
07:17<SynrG>new users after that might not be, though
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07:34<jicko3>on which < 100$ SDD would you recommend to install Debian on a laptop?
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07:36<daemonkeeper>Don't waste your money
07:36<daemonkeeper>Either get a good SSD which is worth the money, or use a traditional hard disk. SSDs for < 100 are all utterly crap.
07:37<thewanderer>I had PQI S525, but it doesn't have TRIM nor doesn't support power management - suspend/resume simply doesn't work right... that should speak for itself
07:39<devil>depending on if you have SATA2 or 3, get a OZC Vertex 2 or Vertex 3 for example. superb performace, they offer a linux tool to admin it....
07:39*devil has a Vertex 3 here, and its fast as lightning
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07:41<ladoga>intel SSD's are probably the most reliable
07:41<devil>thats what they say. the truth is something different
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07:42<devil>how about 8mb-bug?
07:42<wols_>8mb bug has been resolved now
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07:43<devil>well, it took time, they did not handle that well
07:43<wols_>daemonkeeper: define "the money"
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07:43<ladoga>devil: there was a study about it somewhere on the net
07:43<ladoga>devil: i'll check if i can found it
07:44<devil>ladoga: the enterprise series are good so far, yes
07:44<daemonkeeper>wols_: "< 100$" you could spend for things being more fun.
07:44<devil>ladoga: i know all about it, no need to look
07:44<ladoga>devil: ok
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07:45<ladoga>i heave cheapo Kingspec SSD in my Thinkpad X41 (yes PATA)
07:45<ladoga>so far so good
07:47<ladoga>performance isn't anything great. many HDDs write and maybe even read faster
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07:47<ladoga>but lower seek times are great
07:47<ladoga>debian boots up in 6 seconds
07:47<ladoga>stock kernel
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07:48<wols_>ladoga: kingspec really is one of the "shitty ones". even more of a gamble than the Ocz drives :)
07:49<ladoga>here is bootchart:
07:49<ladoga>wols_: yes exactly
07:49<wols_>ladoga: but I understand why you can't use anything else. 1.8" sucks bigtime :)
07:49<ladoga>wols_: some have shitty controllers
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07:50*devil patpats his vertex
07:50<ladoga>wols_: 1,8" PATA..not many SSDs in that format
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07:50<wols_>as I said: I know why you use this particular drive
07:50<ladoga>wols_: ofcourse i could have done some soldering and installed better one
07:51<ladoga>wols_: there's actually SATA controller on the mobo
07:51<ladoga>wols_: but x41 has SATA > PATA bridge and thus PATA HDDs
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07:53<ladoga>wols_: jmicron..that was it. avoid any SSD with jmicron controllers. many kingspecs use that (not mine)
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07:54<ladoga>wols_: and also cheap kingston SSDs. seek times can be even worse than with traditional HDD:)
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08:00<jicko3>am I seeing correct that neither the current squeeze kernel nor ext3 support TRIM?
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08:01<wols_>jicko3: correct :(
08:01<wols_>but you can run a backports kernel which does
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08:01<devil>jicko3: trim meeds ext4 and kernels > 2.6.33
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08:02<devil>>= 2.6.33, that is
08:02<jicko3>wols_, devil: ...
08:02<jicko3>are backported kernels nearly as stable as stable ones?
08:03*devil uses 3.0-4
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08:03<devil>never used a debian backports-kernel
08:05<cwood>I've been running the 2.6.39 backports kernel for a while on my work laptop, and no issues here.
08:05<cwood>It actually solved some Dell-ish issues I was having with sometimes the machine simply not booting past the kernel.
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08:07<wols_>jicko3: yes they are imho
08:07<wols_>jicko3: I haven't noticed anything really buggy. e.g. they might need non-free firmware when the squeeze kernel doesn't. but that's all
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08:09<jicko3>wols_: for me, that's enough :) I am glad that there isn't any propritery stuff in the main section anymore
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08:11<jicko3>wols_: so backported kernels still need non-free software? Never heard of this before...
08:12<abrotman>if your hardware needs it .. yes
08:12<wols_>yes and no. I have a radeon 3470. Which needs non-free firmware to run with all features
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08:13<wols_>with the squeeze kernel it run fine, but with the backports one (and the testing one) it needs firmware or the screen stays dark in X
08:13<cwood>Do you need all features to get a desktop etc.?
08:13<wols_>"fine" as in "you get a X display"
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09:01<linlig>is anyone here?
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09:02<cwood>linlig: Nope.
09:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:03<linlig>Hi I come from China.
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09:03<Bushmills>linlig: are you?
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09:04<abrotman>i come from a land down under
09:04<linlig>This is my first to use IRC ...
09:05<ompaul>#debian a software system's support channel
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09:06<linlig>so ,what can we talk about?
09:07<babilen>linlig: Welcome to #debian -- Please note that this is not a general chat channel (we have #moocows and #debian-offtopic for that) but one that provided technical support for Debian users. If you have a problem with Debian: Please ask! If you prefer to talk in Chinese you are welcome to join
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09:07<dpkg>Ruguo nin xihuan dedao zhongwen de banzu, qin yi bu ben fuwu qi sang de #debian-zh pindao, jiaru fangfa wei zai surukuan zhong suru "/join #debian-zh" (bu yao jia yin hao), xiexie nin de hezuo!
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09:07<Bushmills>you ask a debian specific question, somebody here tries to answer
09:08<cwood>My only Debian-specific question today is how can I persuade work to use this over CentOS/Ubuntu.
09:08<Bushmills>why should you?
09:09<Bushmills>let people run what they want
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09:09<linlig>OK Thinks.I will go.
09:09<cwood>Short form: because things that are easy/robust in Debian are time consuming and/or problematic elsewhere.
09:10<Bushmills>answering your own questions today?
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09:10<cwood>Apparently I'm asking for hints on persuasiveness, not reasons to be persuasive about. ;)
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09:11<Bushmills>present your case in a firm voice
09:12*babilen invites you over to #debian-offtopic :)
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09:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:48<Ash1986>i am noting to connect to another server but keep getting errors
09:49<babilen>How are you connecting and which errors do you get? Please provide the command you use and its output (in particular the errors) on -- Thank you :)
09:49<Ash1986>ok thanks
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09:55<thewanderer>how to make Pidgin write to a given resource on XMPP? it always picks the wrong one...
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10:14<navis>hello people
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10:14<daemonkeeper>Now, the bots are said you didn't greet them.
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10:15<navis>I'm trying to install a groupware solution on a debian box (namely sogo)
10:15<navis>hi bots too :-)
10:15<amphi>'solution' is an odd word in this context
10:15<dpkg>hello, daemonkeeper
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10:15<amphi>'raft of problems' might be more appropriate
10:15<navis>yeah I know, quite a beast
10:16<navis>but untill now everything is behaving as planned
10:16<navis>except I have to configure an ldap solution...
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10:16<navis>I have very basic understanding of that beast
10:17<navis>and was wondering if someone might have some link to share on this topic
10:17<navis>I found numerous howtos, but I want to know what I do
10:17<dpkg>Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) is a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. Ask me about <openldap>. #ldap on
10:18<navis>yeah, that's a howto :-)
10:19<navis>damn, no, I didn't see that one, will read a bit there
10:19<navis>thanks a lot
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10:20<amphi>navis: I know nothing of it myself
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10:24<Molly83>Hi all, is it fair to ask here for a place to discuss some issues regarding Puppy Linux?
10:25<Molly83>Ok, sorry
10:25<Nemoder>!puppy linux
10:25<dpkg>Puppy Linux is a GNU/Linux mini-distribution. It is not supported in #debian. #puppylinux on
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10:25<Molly83>Ok, thanks
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10:46<sesshomaru>how do you install a port?
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10:48<daemonkeeper>A port?
10:49<sesshomaru>i mean how do you get a ssh server?
10:49<daemonkeeper>Install the openssh-server package.
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10:50<sesshomaru>any more?
10:51<daemonkeeper>Depends on what you want to achieve.
10:51<sesshomaru>i need it to run on port 16161.
10:51<daemonkeeper>Configure to run on that port then
10:51<sesshomaru>how do you do it?
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10:53<daemonkeeper>Edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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10:55<sesshomaru>how do you edit?
10:55<daemonkeeper>In your favourite text editor.
10:56<daemonkeeper>Whatever you prefer. Just make sure you do it as root.
10:57<abrotman>man sshd_config ?
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10:58<sesshomaru>now what?
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10:59<daemonkeeper>You're done. Enjoy your SSH server on port 16161
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11:25<d0nkm>hi, there's someone awake?
11:25<d0nkm>I need help
11:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
11:26<Bushmills>medical emergency?
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11:26<Bushmills>legal advice?
11:27<wols_>Bushmills: due to what he said earlier: sleeping advice
11:27<Bushmills>or just economic squeeze?
11:27<wols_>or maybe an alarm clock problem
11:27<Bushmills>ah. medication suggestions
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11:28<i3ear>hey, could you guys help out a noob? I wanna install Phoenix Viewer on a fresh Debian install. I know a little about things like dependancies but bluh I forgot most of it :c
11:28<wols_>i3ear: more info about phoenix viewer needed
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11:28<wols_>i3ear: or failing that, a proper problem description. and please read what dpkg wrote above. it would help you greatly
11:28<Bushmills>there's no package by that name
11:29<wols_>Bushmills: clearly a rfp then
11:29<i3ear>I don't think I was here long enough to read what dpkg wrote. :/
11:29<wols_>sorry. /msg dpkg ask then
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11:30<i3ear>whell ok how do I check dependancies for a program when I am installing it?
11:30<wols_>how exactly are you installing it?
11:30<i3ear>and where are my programs installed?Like where is /blah/blah/bin
11:30<d0nkm>I have a problem with OpenGL, I use Debian 6.0 and when I try to run an application that needs OpenGL, I get errors like "This system doesn't support OpenGL". My lspci:
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11:31<i3ear>copy and pasting the files from the tar.gz to the proper directories
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11:31<wols_>d0nkm: you need a new linux kernel and a new xorg from backports. /msg dpkg backports
11:32<i3ear>or sorry tar.bz2
11:32<wols_>i3ear: where you unpacked the tar.gz: find . |grep bin|less
11:33<Bushmills>i3ear: check the documentation of that program
11:33<sesshomaru>how do suppose to run no port 16161?
11:33<wols_>sesshomaru: you already got your answer
11:33<wols_>sesshomaru: no matter how often you ask, it won't change
11:33<sesshomaru>wound,t let me do it.
11:34<wols_>let you do what?
11:34<sesshomaru>run on the port i needed.
11:35<wols_>I won't prevent you. I cannot prevent you, so I cannot "let you do it" either since I have nothing to do with it. however, you've been told what you need to do already. and no matter what you do or ask, the way to accomplish to run ssh on port 16161 won't change.
11:35<Bushmills>i think he asked your permission
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11:36<wols_>sesshomaru: grep Port /etc/ssh/* what is its output?
11:36<wols_>the command I asked you to run has some output. what is it?
11:37<Zaba>sesshomaru, maybe it'd help if you learnt some unix basics before running a sshd
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11:38<nowster>anyone got any idea why in the last day my hostname gets regularly set to the MAC address of the active ethernet port?
11:38<nowster>eg root@Unknown-00-14-a4-04-df-09
11:38<i3ear>Right right the reading part, you know for a weird reason I expected that to be different on linux
11:38<i3ear>like you are just expected to know what to do without any help
11:38<i3ear>thanks Bushmills
11:38<sesshomaru>it didn,t anything.
11:39<wols_>i3ear: I gave you a perfectly find command which supposedly helps with your problem. what didn't you like about it. also Bushmills was right. we cannot know every obsucre third party software and how it wants to be used
11:39<wols_>sesshomaru: but I wanted you to do something. namely use the command I gave you. do you understand that?
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11:39<sesshomaru>i did use your command
11:40<sesshomaru>it did not do anything
11:40<Bushmills>i3ear: were i to pack some files into an archive, i'm the only person to determine where those files would be unpacked to by default. there's nothing anyone on #debian can do about it, or know
11:40<i3ear>Yes but from my previous expereince with linux I wasn't ever expecting just a document to come with the program that tells you what to do
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11:40<i3ear>deamnit damnit gotta go sorry
11:40<i3ear>thank you all
11:40<wols_>sesshomaru: dpkg -l openssh-server this time you will get an output, no matter what. so what is it?
11:40<Bushmills>it's not "debian" putting the files to their destination. it is you.
11:41<wols_>i3ear: generally EVERY program for linux comes with a documentation. usually INSTALL* or README* or such.
11:41<Bushmills>in order to let you know, i'd put a file containing instructions into the archive. that's what others tend to do too
11:42<sesshomaru>it said error
11:42<wols_>!tell sesshomaru about errors
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11:42<Bushmills>there's no obligation, though. you can't sue authors if they don't
11:43<wols_>sesshomaru: if the error was No packages found matching openssh-server then you need to install the package "openssh-server"
11:43<sesshomaru>no i already installed it.
11:44<wols_>sesshomaru: then please give us the command you typed in and its output. use a pastebin
11:44<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <>.
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11:45<sesshomaru>i put apt- grep/etc//sh and it says "desired unknown"
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11:46<sney>sesshomaru: since nobody here is at your computer with you, you must give full details of what you do and what the system says in response. "it says error" is completely useless to us if we want to help you.
11:46<wols_>sesshomaru: you talk gibberish. please use copy+paste. do not type in the commands and their output in your irc client.
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11:47<wols_>sesshomaru: since you use xchat, use the mouse to select the command and its output and then paste it to a pastebin website please
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11:49<jhutchins_lt>sesshomaru: If that's the exact command you used, there is no space beteween the command and the argument.
11:50<wols_>jhutchins_lt: that command is total gibberish no matter how you look at it
11:51<sney>I can't believe that guy has a us ip
11:51<d0nkm>Where can I find Linux 2.6.34-rc1 ?
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11:52<sney>in snapshots, maybe, but why do you want 2.6.34?
11:52<wols_>d0nkm: I told you what kernel you need before. why do you think you need another, older one?
11:54<d0nkm>I've just installed xorg from backports and I've seen a message saying that it requires 2.6.34-rc1
11:54<wols_>d0nkm: hence why I told you to install a new kernel from backports too
11:55<wols_>that would be kernel 2.6.39-bpo btw
11:55<sney>d0nkm: when it says that, what it means is it requres 2.6.34... or newer
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11:58<d0nkm>I'm installing 2.6.39-bpo from backports, I hope it will work...
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11:59<sney>don't forget to reboot after it's installed.
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12:08<sesshomaru>how do i edit my sources. list to include non-free?
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12:08<wols_>!tell sesshomaru about non-free
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12:10<Wall_Away>sesshomaru: Gui or command line?
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12:10<sesshomaru>gui command line
12:12<Wall_Away>sesshomaru: in Gnome you can go into System > Update sources for a graphical interface, and check the non-free box
12:12<sesshomaru>i don,t use Gnome
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12:13<Wall_Away>sesshomaru: then in a terminal type 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list' without the quotes, type your password and add the URL of one of the non-free repository mirrors
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12:15<Wall_Away>sesshomaru: for example you might add 'deb stable non-free' w/o quotes
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12:15<Wall_Away>Here's a list of mirrors:
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12:16<wols_>Wall_Away: please don't give such advice. read /msg dpkg non-free sources please
12:16<wols_>!tell sesshomaru about non-free sources
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12:17<Wall_Away>wols_: OK but what's wrong with what I was saying?
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12:18<Wall>wols_: OK, my example was wrong, I admit it. Sorry sesshomaru
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12:20<wols_>Wall: technically it was right but a bad way to add non-free
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12:22<Wall>Tschüß everyone ;)
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12:47<iphoenix>does anyone ever talk? lol
12:48<__Alex_>I do
12:48<dpkg><Katja_> what did one saggy boob say to the other? If we don't get some support around here, ppl will think we are nuts
12:48<__Alex_>WTF? What's with dpkg?
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12:49<rnowak>even bots need to have some fun sometimes
12:49<daemonkeeper>Especially dpkg.
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12:51<__Alex_>BTW, I'm making a Bootable USB stick (that i also use to boot my FreeBSD box), and this is it's grub.cfg's current state. What do you think?
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12:53<iphoenix>why is making a RAT so damn confusing
12:54<__Alex_>What's a 'RAT'?
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12:56<chrisign1>hello out there, I have a problem enabling a tap device
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12:57<chrisign1>when I start the "/etc/qemu-ifup tap0" command
12:57<chrisign1>tap0: ERROR while getting interface flags: no such device
12:58<chrisign1>but I used modprob tun and so on ...
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12:58<chrisign1>is there any problem known at the moment (I use sid)
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12:58<wols_>!tell chrisign1 about bts
13:00<iphoenix>look it up
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13:01<__Alex_>Ok, i looked up RAT. Rats are various medium-sized, long-tailed rodents of the superfamily Muroidea
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13:19<chrisign1>no bug to see about tap device,
13:19<chrisign1>all I found on the net is about false access rights... but I have allready tried to start the tap device as root
13:20<Bushmills>chrisign1: any use of brctrl command?
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13:27<chrisign1>Bushmills: okay, that something to play with, but (sorry for that question) what is the difference between br and tap device?
13:27<Hyperion1>Can anyone please advise me about a proper order in which I should read the documentation required for packaging ( Debian Policy, New Maintainer, Developer Reference). I started with the policy. and a couple of chapters into I feel like I'm missing something.
13:28<chrisign1>they are both virtual net-interfaces to build a soft brudge
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13:29<gusnan>Hyperion1, I would guess starting with the new maintainers guide is a good start
13:30<gusnan>Hyperion1, Also, this kind of question might be better served at the channel #debian-mentors also here on the OFTC servers.
13:30<Hyperion1>gusnan: I'll check the other chanell then. Thanks.
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13:32<ompaul>chrisign1: perhaps you would be better asking what is tap and tun, answer userspace devices and bridge is not ;-)
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13:33<Bushmills>tap is the layer 2 version of tun device. a device for point to point connection. a br device is a virtual device allowing you to connect several interfaces. among those tap or physical eth or wlan devices.
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13:35<chrisign1>ompaul: thank you, thats all I want to know. as far as I know is that tap is for bridging and tun for.. well emulating ppp routing connections
13:35<chrisign1>but this can be achived with tap as well
13:36<chrisign1>all I want is to make a local connection to a qemu virtual machine, which I build as normal user
13:36<chrisign1>with qemu, but without kvm. but this simply does not work
13:38<chrisign1>I do not need access the whole net from this guest system I just want to connect it via ssh from my user accuount
13:38<ompaul>chrisign1: from the box it is on or another one?
13:39<ompaul>if it is the box that you are on, ifconfig on the kvm gives you an ip and you can ssh to that afik
13:40<chrisign1>ompaul: thank you, but I think this is little bit oversized. In my case I want to build a simple tap from my user account
13:41<ompaul>chrisign1: how about, this is how you do it. Sometimes there is great freedom in having no choice.
13:41<chrisign1>I use the root account to setup the tap but I would like ti do it as normal user
13:42<ompaul>chrisign1: it might seem like a short sharp answer, but as was pointed out some channel earlier (might have been here) sometimes silver haired users say "NO" when what they mean is, you don't really want all that other pain.
13:42<ompaul>however the person who said it left out, and we really don't have the time or interest to do it some other way.
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13:45<iphoenix>how do you save on backtrack?
13:45<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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13:53<Bushmills>,versions backtrack
13:53<judd>No package named 'backtrack' was found in i386.
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13:54<Bushmills>by creating a periodic backup
13:54<wols_>iphoenix: you do not use debian, hence we cannot support you. we don't know anything about backtrack. please use a backtrack support channel or forum. thank you
13:55<FingerWizard>why do people even use backtrack? Why not simply install the tools you need into another distribution?
13:55<FingerWizard>Such as debian :P
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13:56<wols_>FingerWizard: e.g. injection patches in the kernel by default
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13:56<Bushmills>maybe a "don't join the crowd" reaction
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13:57<Kharec>hi there.
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14:02<axkibe>Hi, I'm running wheezy and cannot find the "mongodb" in my package selection, someone got an idea what I'm doing wrong?
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14:02<wols_>,versions mongodb
14:02<judd>Package: mongodb on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.4.4-3; sid: 1:2.0.0-2
14:02<wols_>!why is mongodb not in testing
14:02<dpkg>mongodb is not in testing for the reasons listed in
14:03<axkibe>oh thank you
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14:13<axkibe>great, I just downloaded mondodb 2.0.0-2 from the pool and dpkg -i'd it. works. /me is happy :-)
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14:15<ompaul>axkibe: if it had all sorts of dependencies which you didn't know about it might not be so lucky
14:15<ompaul>but hey you should see it in five days or so anyway
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14:16<axkibe>doesn't dpkg normally complain about dependencies?
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14:16<ompaul>and some people get them and then they end up with not nice things going on
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14:17<ompaul>all I'm really saying is be very cautious when you go doing things like that
14:18<axkibe>ok, its just my notebook i'm doing development on (I needed Linux 3.0 kernel sind squeezy doesn't supper my Dell E6220 Network card), on my server I got squeezy anyway. :)
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14:19<wols_>axkibe: what network card is it? realtek?
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14:19<axkibe>00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 04)
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14:22<M2_807705>Hi all, just a quick question. I have installed Lenny on my Laptop and learning me way around the system as a novice. Is there a way a can choose to boot to console on some occasions rather than to X on every boot?
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14:24<valdyn>M2_807705: ctrl-alt-f1 is not sufficient?
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14:39<jhutchins_lt>M2_807705: You can create a non-GUI runlevel that doesn't start the DM and then specify that as a boot argument.
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14:40<babilen>M2_807705: And an unrelated question: Why did you install Lenny? Squeeze is the current stable release and it would be a good idea to use it unless you have specific reasons not to.
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14:52<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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15:19<trav>hi guys. i'm pretty sure i'm having a graphics problem. just got done installing stable+xfce on a 2002 dell laptop and the last thing i see before a few screen flickers and then permablank screen is 'waiting for /dev population'. all tty's are blank as well. graphics are intel 830m sharing 48MB of system memory.
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15:20<Nemoder>trav: likely console framebuffer is being set to something the gpu doesn't like
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15:21<trav>yeah Nemoder a quick google suggested it might be the framebuffer choking due to a bios setting (auto-expand to fill the lcd) but i tried turning that off and no luck
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15:23<trav>i just don't really know where to start looking though so some search suggestions would help even
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15:23<wols_>Xorg.0.log is the first step
15:23<wols_>anotehr thing is, to disable kms
15:24<trav>well good thing i enabled ssh on setup
15:24<trav>let me try to grab that
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15:24<Nemoder>trav: might try vga=786 or similar in grub
15:25<Nemoder>or maybe GRUB_GFXMODE for grub2 now
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15:27<RalfJ>is there a dpkg/apt command to reset the configuration of a package, and re-run the configuration dialogue shown initially? I know I can do apt-get purge; apt-get install, but then I also need to re-install all the dependencies etc... not that great
15:28<cwood>RalfJ: dpkg-reconfigure <pkgname>
15:28<RalfJ>cwood: no, that doesnt reset the config. it reuses the old one.
15:28<cwood>So you can't set new configuration options or somethign?
15:29<cwood>Try with the -p option, "Specify the minimum priority of question that will be displayed", per the man page.
15:29<RalfJ>it doesnt go back to the defaults
15:29<RalfJ>I need that for cases where I kind of screwed the config, or for some other reason want to go back to the distri-provided default
15:29<RalfJ>i.e. equivalent to purge and then install again
15:30<RalfJ>but without actually ahving to remove the package (and, even worse, everything that depends on it)
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15:30<cwood>In this case, it sounds like purge/reinstall is your option. Or at least keep snapshots/backups as you go.
15:30<RalfJ>synaptic has a "reinstall package", which is almost what I want - but it does not purge, it just uninstalles, so it "cleans" only everything outside of /etc
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15:30<RalfJ>purge/reinstall is virtuall impossble for something like xorg or kdm^^
15:31<cwood>Why "virtually impossible"?
15:31<RalfJ>because I would have to uninstall the whole graphical system
15:31<cwood>I don't consider that a problem, but to each their own.
15:31<RalfJ>and then einstall it again... re-download everything, and getting exactly the same package selection as before
15:31<RalfJ>I wouldnt even know how to do that
15:31<cwood>Now's a good time to learn.
15:32<cwood>Have you learned (about) aptitude? It's a curses package manager.
15:32<RalfJ>if I copy all the package names to apt-get install, it will mark them all as manually installed
15:32<ompaul>apt-get remove --purge package
15:32<cwood>When you're at the console, use aptitude to purge and then reinstall xorg/kdm.
15:32<RalfJ>no, I preferred apt and synaptic so far because I cand eal with them quite well
15:32<cwood>Like I said, now is a great time to learn.
15:32<RalfJ>didnt want to learn a third interface^^
15:33<RalfJ>but can I do that there? keeping the installation state of the packages, incl. the auto-installed mark etc.?
15:33<RalfJ>(I alsor ead somewhere itd be a bad idea to mix apt and aptitude)
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15:33<cwood>apt-get purge pkgname
15:33<ompaul>RalfJ: the difference between having your cake and eating it, either it is one or the other
15:33<Bushmills>configs of kde or similar are mostly user configs which aren't changed by purging and reinstalling
15:33<cwood>It will leave the dependencies lurking about.
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15:34<RalfJ>Bushmills: I am aware of that
15:34<cwood>Really, though... what you want is something you only need if you don't have the skill do it the usual way. Better to learn the skill.
15:35<RalfJ>well, I installed and started aptitude
15:35<RalfJ>(maybe I should mention Im on debian testing)
15:35<Bushmills>oh, it was kdm you mentioned, not kde
15:36<RalfJ>hu I can even use the mouse in aptitude? cool :P
15:37<RalfJ>"play minesweeper"? wtf?
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15:38<cwood>You can read more about aptitude:
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15:39<diederik>Hi, I want to format a 2TB external hdd, is the proper command 'just' "mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdc" ? Any problems to expect regarding the 2TB size?
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15:44<RalfJ>cwood: I "pinned" a package in synaptic, will aptitude "see" that?
15:46<devil>RalfJ: it should. but i do not trust synaptic.
15:46<cwood>Try it and see?
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15:47<RalfJ>well, if I tell it to upgrade it wants to either remove fglrx or video-all... which doesnt make much sense...
15:47<trav>well single user mode doesn't work either but acpi=off on default at least gets me to the console
15:47<RalfJ>(I pinned xserver-common to prevent fglrx from being uninstalled)
15:47<diederik>RalfJ: yes, synaptic and aptitude are both front-ends to apt. Pinning is also called apt-pinning.
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15:47<kop>diederik: You probably want to put a partition on it, even if only one big one.
15:47<trav>Nemoder, ^ also vga=786 didn't change anythign
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15:48<kop>diederik: No problems with the size (although larger partition sizes call for a different partition table structure, I forget , begins with a 'g').
15:48<diederik>kop: wouldn't mkfs do that automatically?
15:48<kop>diederik: "that"?
15:49<diederik>kop: that = create the partition
15:49<kop>diederik: You're getting into the newer drives with 4KB block sizes, which can cause alignment/performance problems. See <4kbs>.
15:49<diederik>or can you have a filesystem on a whole device (without a partition)
15:50<RalfJ>cwood: well, synaptic has a "pinned" categor, I cant find something similar in aptitude to verify. however it says something about the package being hold in the description.
15:50<kop>diederik: You can have a filesystem on a raw device.
15:50<dpkg>Newer (S)ATA drives have 4k sectors, which when not accounted for, can cause performance problems. See and for more information.
15:50<diederik>kop: thanks!
15:52<cwood>RalfJ: see diederik's and devil's points above.
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15:53<RalfJ>cwood: okay... looks like I can only test that when there are other upgrades, to see if it will make those, but not the xserver ones
15:53<devil>RalfJ: dpkg --get-selections | grep hold might shoe it
15:53<RalfJ>however, if I select "purge" for kdm, and then "install", it will in the end do nothing
15:53<devil>show, even
15:53<kop>diederik: (gpt partition labels allow for larger partitions.)
15:54<RalfJ>devil: no, it shows them all as "install"
15:54<devil>RalfJ: well, yeah, hold is technicaly different to pinning, i guess
15:55<RalfJ>synaptic calls it "locking", actually, but its in the "pinned" category
15:55<diederik>both man:fdisk and the mailing-list-post both 'suggest' using parted, so I'll guess I'll go for that
15:55<kop>diederik: I find parted a pain in the ass. Although not for 1 big partition.
15:55<RalfJ>weird enough aptitude also claims that xserver-xorg-video-intel is "hold", but that one is not pinned??
15:56<devil>RalfJ: might makle the concept clearer
15:56<diederik>kop: afaik me too, I usually go for a livedisk with gparted in that case ;)
15:56<RalfJ>devil: that file doesnt exist here, and preferences.d is empty...?
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15:57<devil>RalfJ: then i have no idea where synaptic stores that info
15:58<kop>diederik: If you're doing 1 partition you can use anything. Start at sector 64 instead of 63 and you won't have 4Kb alignment problems.
15:58<RalfJ>devil: okay, apt-get dist-upgrade does not see them either, so its a synaptic thing obviously.
15:58<RalfJ>now, how do I un-hold a package in aptitude?^^
15:58<devil>RalfJ: maybe check in .synaptic. but anyways, info on pinned repos/packages belongs in /etc/apt/preferences / preferences.d/..
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15:58<kop>RalfJ: aptitude unhold foo
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15:58<RalfJ>looked for the GUI thingy, but thats okay too, thanks kop
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15:59*kop hates the aptitude curses interface
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16:00<RalfJ>hm, it does not do it though. the curses interface still shows it as being hold..
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16:02<devil>RalfJ: install overrides hold
16:02<devil>at least with apt, so it should with aptitude as well
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16:03<arri>hi, perhaps not a debian specific issue, but what can be causing that ALL network traffic gets blocked between my servers' first NIC-alias (eth0:0) and one specific remote host/network? All other permutations/connections of hosts <-> NICs work as expected (e.g. allowed, or rejected AND logged). but this specific one doesn't even show in the logs. As far as i understand, iptables/shorewall are not the problem. Problem is in both directions.
16:03<hymn>is there a way to change the mime types for media files in debian?
16:03<RalfJ>devil: well dont want to install the latest intel driver (it will pull in the latest xorg). I just want it to be ni logner hold, xserve-common should be the only hold package...
16:03<towo`>RalfJ, wrong
16:04<towo`>the hold of the intel driver is a autohold
16:04<towo`>because of your hold of xserver-common
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16:04<RalfJ>well then why is only that one hold? and not all the other drivers?
16:05<towo`>RalfJ, becaus, you have no ther drivers installed?
16:05<RalfJ>I do
16:05<RalfJ>for all of them it says "will not be upgraded because...". just for intel it says "is hold at"
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16:07<towo`>RalfJ, and dpkg --get-secections | grep hold dayes anything?
16:07<towo`>RalfJ, and dpkg --get-selections | grep hold dayes anything?
16:07<RalfJ>towo`: no, its empty
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16:08<RalfJ>oh, I think I found it. the intel thing was not marked as "automatically installed". now it is, and it shows the same message as all the other packages. ?!?
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16:11<RalfJ>oO now it wants to uninstall xorg when I hit U??
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16:13<RalfJ>it also randomy un-sets the auto mark :/
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16:14<diederik>RalfJ: it may not help you now, but learn aptitude's CLI interface.
16:14<RalfJ>well, Im trying to
16:14<RalfJ>but its more confusing so far than helpful
16:14<RalfJ>oh, you mean, not the curses one?
16:15<diederik>holded packages: "aptitude search ~ahold"
16:15<arri>..could the fact that it's the first aliased-nic somehow be a reason
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16:16<diederik>the ncurses interface confuses the hell out of me, while the CLI is awesome
16:16<beali>I'd like to pass an awk expression in Bash using a variable. How do I properly put the ' and "?
16:17<RalfJ>diederik: hu, safe-upgrade seems to be smart enough not to throw my fglrx away. nothing is hold, according to the search.
16:17<diederik> is a great reference (albeit a bit dated)
16:18<diederik>RalfJ: to hold a package, type "aptitude hold <pkgname>"
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16:18<beali>I want to have it like that: MyAWKString="/blabla/ { do this and that }" and later use it in Bash like that: MyAwkResult=$(echo $myline | awk --myparameters '$MyAWKString') - unfortunately, that doesn't work.
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16:18<hymn>ANYONE know how to install a flash player to use on iceweasel in debian? So I can watch youtube videos?
16:18<towo`>apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
16:19<towo`>but for youtube, i would use chromium with html5
16:19<beali>hymn: you have to put non-free after main in your /etc/apt/sources.list before, and do aptitude or apt-get update
16:19<beali>and then do what towo` said
16:20<beali>towo`: do all youtube videos work for you with html5?
16:20<towo`>not all
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16:20<towo`>but many
16:20<beali>Do you know if they are just still converting them, or are presenting only new videos in html5 too?
16:21<RalfJ>so, with the aptitude CLI, how can I ourge and install a package without uninstalling all the stuff that Depends: on it?
16:22<diederik>the same package? afaik you can't, but installing it will bring all the depends (and recommends) with it
16:23<RalfJ>well, but for some packages I removed some recommends. I dont want to redo that. I just want to reset the configuration...
16:23<steinex>RalfJ: aptitude reinstall?
16:23<RalfJ>steinex: does that purge? or uninstall? IIRC the latter
16:24<steinex>ah you need purge. hm.
16:24<diederik>if you don't want the recommended pkgs, use --without-recommends
16:24<RalfJ>then I get none of them
16:24<RalfJ>I want the exact config I had before
16:25<RalfJ>just one command to run to reset a package's config... well I thought that wsa easy^^
16:25<RalfJ>like reinstall
16:25<RalfJ>but with purge
16:25<RalfJ>(with "exact config" i meant, package state for all the packages. this includes the auto-install state, so even the complicated solution to remove, and copy the list of removed packages, wont work)
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16:27<diederik>aptitude markauto <pkgname> or aptitude unmarkauto <pgkname> will help you set auto-install state
16:27<ospcg>prestashop in aolserver? help me please
16:30<arri>hmmm.. from ip's manpage: "..the term alias is not quite appropriate and we do not use it in this document.." , i hope i didn't insult anyone by using the term alias. would 'virtual' (interface) be better?
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16:32<RalfJ>diederik: sure, but then I will have to somehow dump the old auto state of all packages, uninstall, copy list of removd pckages, reinstall, and restore auto state
16:34<diederik>RalfJ: you want to do 'complicated' things (I wonder why) with a command like "fixitforme" ... sorry, that won't happen
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16:34<RalfJ>diederik: no, sorry if I cretaed that impression
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16:34<RalfJ>I thought that was simple
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16:34<RalfJ>because there is reinstall, and reconfigure. and I expected something taht purged was out there and I just didnt know it
16:35<RalfJ>but well, seemingly there is not - thanks for telling me. I did not expect someone to fix a complicated problem for me.
16:35<diederik>why are you so hang up on auto-install state anyway? The programs you want to have shouldn't auto, the 'rest' should. Aptitude will take care of the rest.
16:36<diederik>anything installed through aptitude install <pkg> will not be marked auto, but all depends/recommends will
16:36<RalfJ>diederik: I regularily clean up the non-auto marked list, to keep the system free of stuff I dont use
16:37<diederik>RalfJ: don't. You're only saving diskspace, which shouldn't be a concern.
16:37<diederik>there's another cool aptitude parameter "-s" for simulate. Use that with and without recommends to figure out what you want
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16:38<RalfJ>I got enough disc space, this is more about not having daemons running that I dont use, and config files around that confuse me when I search for stuff, and so on. I just like to know what I have installed.
16:39<RalfJ>anyway, all of this will seemingly not lead to a resolution of the problem I am having, so its not really worth to spend more time on this :D thanks for your assistance!
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16:39<ospcg>who help me?
16:40<towo`>with what?
16:40<diederik>Good luck then, and play with the -s parameter, quite informative
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16:41<ospcg>towo: whith aolserver and prestashop
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16:42<ospcg>towo: install prestashop in aolserver...localhost/prestashop/install
16:43<towo`>and where is the relation to debian?
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16:44<JordiGH>Do you *have* to strip an upstream's debian/ directory?
16:44<JordiGH>Especially if I'm also a big contributor to upstream?
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16:49<JordiGH>Is it ok to use an upstream's debian/ directory as a starting point?
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16:57<JordiGH>We're talking about making Octave packaging easier to do. Upstream wants to help us out by keeping a referenc packaging, so to speak.
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17:21<ml|>JordiGH: I think a better place to ask in, #debian-mentors
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17:31<joeyh>JordiGH: The whole thing about upstream not being able to make debian/ is an unfortunate meme. If the DD and upstream have difficulty working together then they will have difficulty with that directory. If upstream is clueless about debian, they can cause more bother than needed. If upstream and DD work well together, it can work fine.
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17:32<joeyh>it's unfortunate that some ignore the shades of grey and arrive at a boolean upstream-debian-is-bad, since encouraging more upstreams to do this can actually benefit debian
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17:39*chealer wonders if this is the real, actual joeyh.
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17:43<daemonkeeper>-> OT
17:44<jafa>hi im in test
17:44<amphi>you appear to be functioning
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17:45<ra_ro42>streuner: OFTC was not calling perfect confidency - imho
17:46<d0nkm>Hi, I run Debian 6.0, I've installed xorg and linux 2.6.39-bpo from backports for a problem with OpenGL, now OpenGL works, but Compiz doesn't work, what I have to do?
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17:47<chealer>streuner: hehehe, thanks. it seems greaat disappointments can give greaat results!
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17:48<Golfgeo>Hi all
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17:49<chealer>one thing is true, we're not great with installer questions, and we apparently can't redirect specific questions anywhere
17:49<hymn>Wich software can i encrypt the entire system drive on debian?
17:50<ra_ro42>chaeler: comparing to $ software - "it" is more than perfect.
17:50<daemonkeeper>hymn: Debian supports LUKS straight out of the installer.
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17:51<ra_ro42>.. but ... OFTC is strange. There ist something about those 4 letters in big. Dunno where exactly is the prob, but is there.
17:51<daemonkeeper>You realize you are talking on OFTC right now?
17:52<ra_ro42>daeomnkeeper. yes.
17:52*ra_ro42 thinking.
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17:52<ra_ro42>could be it's like SKODA -- has a terrible sound - but is build by Volkswagen.
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17:54<hymn>daemonkeeper: yes, but cant truecrypt do system encryption in debian?
17:55<daemonkeeper>No, Truecrypt is not free software
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17:55<dpkg>TrueCrypt is a <non-free> (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. Not in Debian, RFP in bug #413070.
17:56<hymn>becaues truecrypt is better than luks
17:56<daemonkeeper>Why do you think that?
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17:56<hymn>it's my opinion
17:57<daemonkeeper>That's evident.
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18:01<rpetre>i prefer luks since it's more straightforward, but it lacks windows drivers, so that could be a strength for TC
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18:03<babilen>d0nkm: We probably need more details about your compiz problems. How do you start it? What exactly doesn't work? Do you see/get error messages? I am not really interested/knowledgable about compiz as well, so you *might* want to ask in #compiz on as well. (unless it is a Debian specific issue)
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18:10<d0nkm>babilen: I'll ask in #compiz on thanks
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18:20<joeyh>chealer: 99.9% imitation joeyh
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18:23<chealer>joeyh: congratulations, that was a pretty good imitation of the one and only true joeyh. you should keep going ;-)
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18:41<weedeater64>Can this be turned off in iceweasel ?
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18:44<GlaxY>hi, i'm using debian testing and i can't install eclipse because is missing (there is a package for stable, unstable and experimental but not for testing). How I can install it?
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18:45<babilen>GlaxY: Pull it from sid (you might also be interested in #debian-next on for wheezy/sid support)
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18:49<GlaxY>ok thanks
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19:16<JordiGH>Is it a bug that libcurl4-openssl-dev provides libcurl3-dev but not libcurl4-dev? libcurl4-gnutls-dev does provide it.
19:20<steinex>sounds like it, at least
19:21<JordiGH>They're both built from the same source...
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20:20<test2>help, my ssh keys don't want to work
20:20<test2>i checked all the permissions
20:20<test2>i am stuck- i have no idea how to get them to work
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20:43<FingerWizard>test2: ssh keys for what? An iphone or etc? Server?
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20:44<FingerWizard>test2: also, have they worked before?
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20:52<test2>i have a debian server
20:52<test2>the keys never worked
20:53<test2>i am trying to ssh from box1 to mysql@box2
20:53<test2>i am thinking it's maybe something with the mysql user
20:54<un214>you there?
20:55<test2>test2 in da hous
20:55<un214>something's wrong
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20:55<test2>what's wrong?
20:55<un214>#debian works
20:56<un214>just about any other # that I'm used to working doesn't
20:56<un214>I show that I created #nethack and am op there
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20:56<un214>NickServ is strangely silent
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20:58<un214>and now I get this: [ChanServ] Deopped you on channel #nethack because it is registered with channel services
20:58<un214>is something weird going on?
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21:40<Maxou56800>I need of help for install my Nvidia Drivers, can u help me?
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21:40<Maxou56800>I'm a newbie on Debian.
21:41<Maxou56800>I have download but when I start it, i have an error message (Close xserver), But How?
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21:41<luke3321>Maxou56800: As root, "/etc/init.d/gdm3 stop"
21:41<luke3321>without quotes of course
21:42<novaphile>Hi people, can anyone point me towards instructions for installing google hangout on debian? I have installed Firefox (grrr) because I can't get past stage one with IceWeasel, and I have downloaded the .deb package from Google, but have not managed to get Firefox to recognise that it's installed.
21:43<Maxou56800>And how to go to desktop after?
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21:43<luke3321>Maxou56800: One the installer is finished, run "/etc/init.d/gdm3 start"
21:44<Maxou56800>Ok Luke3321 but how to go to desktop with root (cd /desktop ???)
21:44<Maxou56800>(Sorry for my bad english)
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21:44<luke3321>i misunderstood
21:44<luke3321>its fine
21:44<chealer>!tell Maxou56800 about nvidia-installer
21:44<luke3321>when you log into root, it puts you in the directory /root
21:45<luke3321>just cd /home/<your-username>/Desktop/
21:45<Maxou56800>but My is on my deskstop x)
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21:47<luke3321>Guess he was working on that computer :P
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21:48<novaphile>google hangout anyone?
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21:51<luke3321>novaphile: A have an idea
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21:51<luke3321>might not work
21:51<luke3321>but worth a shot
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21:51<luke3321>You said you have the deb installed?
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21:54<wols>novaphile: note how there are newer iceweasel versions (including beta ones) available at
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21:55<wols>luke3321: if you want to help maxou when he comes back, fine. but please do it in another channel. nvidia .run installers break debian and are not supported here. they are useless to boot: everything needed for nvidia cards is available via debian sources, and in a way which doesn't break debian
21:55<novaphile>Yes, I've installed the googletalk package with dpkg -i but Firefox is still not seeing the plugin (or google plus is not seeing it)
21:56<wols>novaphile: I didn't talk about googletalk, I told you about current iceweasel versions
21:57<novaphile>Thanks wols, I started by trying to update iceweasel via apt-get upgrade, but I have the current version according to the repositories that I'm pointing at... my previous experience with adding other repositories has not been good.
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21:57<luke3321>wols: Will do. Sorry for the clutter
21:57<novaphile>luke3321: what is the shot?
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21:59<luke3321>novaphile: I think that the plugins aren't being located by your custom install of firefox. I was merely going to suggest a cp of the two plugins from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins into ~/.mozilla/plugins
22:00<luke3321>But trying an update to a beta of iceweasel as wols suggested is probably a much better shot
22:00<wols_>not a beta
22:00<novaphile>I'll give them both a go, thanks people.
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22:00<luke3321>s/beta/newer version/
22:00<luke3321>unless I misunderstood what you were suggesting
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22:44<riley>hey- how do i make a user have all the permissions of another user?
22:45<riley>like i want user foobar to have all the same permissions as user 'mysql'
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22:45<wols_>riley: you can't
22:46<riley>what is a workaround?
22:46<wols_>especially no mysql since mysql itself dosn't use the unix permissions system but has its own
22:46<wols_>depends what you actually want to do
22:46<riley>okay- i'll start by saying this is dumb, but my boss wants me to do it:
22:47<riley>i need to copy mysql .MYD .MYI and .frm files from one server to another server
22:47<riley>*i know i know*
22:48<riley>right now- i'm trying to do:
22:48<wols_>make the user in question part of the "mysql" group
22:48<riley>rsync --partial --progress --inplace /var/lib/mysql/%s/%s.MYD %s:/var/lib/mysql/%s/%s.MYD
22:48<riley>i did
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22:48<wols_>but tell your boss that if anoyne writes to the mysql DB while it is copied, he gets a garbled database...
22:49<riley>i know!
22:49<riley>but he wont listen
22:50<riley> sudo /usr/sbin/usermod -a -G mysql userfoobar
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22:50<wols_>from what I can see, all the files you named are owned by mysql.mysql so that should work fine. why can't you run your rsync command as the mysql user?
22:51<riley>well, i can't get the ssh keys to work with user mysql
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22:51<riley>it has to work passwordless
22:51<riley>its for a script
22:51<wols_>probably cause mysql account has no shell
22:51<wols_>and you will need to chown the destination files to mysql.mysql again afaik
22:52<riley>it's a nightmare
22:53<riley>any ideas?
22:54<wols_>any ideas for what?
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22:58<Golfgeo>Hi all :-)
22:59<Golfgeo>Looking for an iso image of Debian Sarge for a virtual machine project... Looked thru the archives on site, but there are only netinstall availible, not full iso images...
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23:00<wols_>Golfgeo: why do you need CD1? why is netinst not enough?
23:01<mshuler>riley: create the database on the target, give your shell user db write permission and dump to stdout and pipe it to mysql on the target: mysqldump -ux -px database | ssh me@newhost "mysql -ux -px database"
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23:02<Golfgeo>wols_ I believe some of the packages I used where not on the netinstall cd, but came from .deb archive repro's
23:02<wols_>Golfgeo: and?
23:03<wols_>Golfgeo: still exists
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23:03<Golfgeo>wols_ those repro's arn't availible anymore... Well, I.... Oh wow :-D
23:04<Golfgeo>Thats a nice thing to know mate :-)
23:05<Golfgeo>Thought I had to mount an iso image permantly to my virtual machine, but he, that is great! :-)
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23:08<Golfgeo>Thanks mate, going to get buzy installing Sarge! :-D
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23:10<riley>[qseprod@research-team10 ~]$ mysqldump -uxxx -pxxx test2.test | ssh qseprod@research-team04
23:10<riley>Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal.
23:10<riley>mysqldump: Got error: 1102: Incorrect database name 'test2.test' when selecting the database
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23:10<riley>mshuler: what am i doing wrong?
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23:12<Frosh>Anyone have experience when ndiswrapper see the device but wireless usb still not working?
23:12<dyson>what's the package for apache's mod rewrite? or does it not exist?
23:12<wols_>!tell dyson about search
23:12<wols_>Frosh: what chip is it?
23:13<Frosh>DWL-G122 Rev D
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23:13<wols_>that is not a chip but a chipmaker. and dwl.... is a name of a dlink model. no chip either...
23:14<Frosh>I'm not sure then
23:14<wols_>lspci -nn will know
23:15<wols_>ah, usb. then it'd be lsusb to see
23:16<Frosh>Bus 001 Device 017: ID 07d1:3b01 D-Link System AirPlus G DWL-G122 Wireless Adapter(rev.D) [Marvell 88W8338+88W8010]
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23:19<Frosh>When I goto Wireless Network Drivers it says Hardware Present: Yes
23:20<wols_>better use ifconfig, iwconfig and iwlist. check via dmesg output, etc
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23:21<Frosh>IT see it in dmesg
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23:22<riley>mshuler: got it working, but how do i send to a table with a different name?
23:22<Frosh>iwconfig --- no wireless extensions.
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23:23<riley>like if i want to send testdb.testtable1 to testdb.testtable2?
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