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00:31<Screwba>ne1 around?
00:31<noodleking>I need some help with installing a MySQL tarball, anybody up for it?
00:32<noodleking>hmm, wonder if anyone's awake.
00:32<dpkg>There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s).
00:32<sney>noodleking: I'm going to bed in a minute, but tarball?
00:32<Screwba>sney: that is what I am/was thinking
00:32<Screwba>apt-get install mysql
00:33<noodleking>sney, lol that's what I was afraid of. Yes I downloaded a tarball and it extracted as a series of RPMs
00:33<noodleking>Screwba, I was trying to be a little clever :|
00:33<sney>I think you're probably barking up the wrong tree, noodleking
00:33<Screwba>this isn't going to be pretty...
00:33<noodleking>sney, Screwba yeah ...
00:33<sney>Screwba: stow the commentary please
00:33<sney>either help or don't
00:33*Screwba takes a seat...FRONT and CENTRE
00:33<Screwba>I did...
00:34<Screwba>why attempt tarball/RPMs?
00:34<sney>noodleking: start from the beginning. what debian version and what exactly are you trying to do?
00:34<Screwba>if you are using Debian, just 'apt-get install mysql'
00:34<sney>mysql-server is actually the one people are usually looking for, but we really need to hear it from noodleking first
00:34<noodleking>debian 6, I didn't intentionally download an RPM, I'm not that silly (even at 5:30am)
00:35<noodleking>I downloaded the "generic Linux" version of MySQL community server from mysql
00:35<noodleking>then when I extracted it ... RPMs
00:35<sney>are you just trying to run a general purpose mysql/lamp server or are you looking for a specific version?
00:36<sney>Screwba: debian i686 wheezy/sid. Do you want to know anything else?
00:36<noodleking>sney, I was trying to learn how to use tar etc, as well as complete my installation of LAMP
00:36<noodleking>I know 5.1 is available through apt/aptitude etc
00:37<sney>Screwba: when you version somebody, they can see it
00:37<noodleking>but I figured I'd get 5.5 and learn how to install software 'by hand'
00:37<Screwba>ah...was wondering the 3.0 version
00:37<sney>noodleking: well, for hairy things like MySQL it really is best to let the package manager do its thing
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00:37<sney>noodleking: you can practice source building on something simpler
00:38<noodleking>sney, oh well, I guess I'll do that then.
00:38<sney>noodleking: also, if you untar what you think is a source package and you see rpms, you didn't download a source package
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00:38<noodleking>sney, that's the thing that's puzzled me
00:38<noodleking>I definitely went to the right download directory
00:38<noodleking>but ...
00:39<sney>for some software vendors, "generic linux" is synonymous with "centos/redhat"
00:39<noodleking>I guess.
00:39<noodleking>anyhow, thanks for staying up to listen to my tale of woe :)
00:39<sney>and usually if something is labelled 'generic linux' it implies that it's already a built binary
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00:40<noodleking>oh well, 'apt-get install mysql-sever mysql-client' it is then
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00:40<noodleking>(I hope I've got that right)
00:41<sney>that should do fine
00:41<Screwba>sney: where are you located?
00:41<Screwba>westward of me, I am supposing
00:41<sney>western canada
00:41<Screwba>thinking Alberta
00:42<Screwba>noticed Telus in your address
00:42<Screwba>NS here
00:42<sney>do you know SynrG
00:42<sney>does he have the accent? he swears he doesn't
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00:42<Screwba>not really sure...
00:43<Screwba>I am sure we both do...
00:43<noodleking>you're both Canadians? for some reason I thought (from Screwba's "ne1") you might both have been unemployed english layabouts (not unlike myself)
00:43<Screwba>afterall, we are both from NS
00:43<Screwba>Oh I am employed my friend
00:43<sney>I'm actually a displaced american, but "ne1" is universal among lazy english-speaking typists
00:43<Screwba>going on 10yrs with this company
00:44<dpkg>There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s).
00:44<sney>also, this discussion should be in #debian-offtopic because it's not a support issue. Also also, I'm going to bed.
00:44<Screwba>I won't type that again here
00:44<Screwba>l8r man
00:44<noodleking>ok, well... I guess I'll get this finished and go to sleep too
00:44<Screwba>not even mid-night over there yet...
00:45<noodleking>thanks for the ... help.
00:45<Screwba>have a good one noodleking
00:45<noodleking>5:45am here
00:45<noodleking>thanks Screwba
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01:35<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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01:44<thevdude>D: Is there anyway I can make shutdown unmount a network drive? It's freaking out when shutting down if this drive is mounted.
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01:47<thevdude>I won't unmount if the network is disconnecte
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01:53<thevdude>This is such a stupid problem.
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01:58<bobomac>i have no idea what I am doing...God help me
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02:01<bobomac>so anyone know any cool jokes???
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02:26<gabriel34>Good night!
02:26<gabriel34>I Just installed Debian on a laptop. As I installed it on a ssd, I want to move /var, /tmp , /boot, and whatever is writen a lot and doesn't impact on speed. I tried do do it during install, but it would allow me to mount the drive on a mountpoint, for instance, I could get /var on the drive, but not /boot. I was thinking about using ln -s. Would that be the best aproach? would I be able to boot if I moved /boot out of the ssd?
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02:29<jm_>gabriel34: that largely depends on your BIOS, i.e. which drives can it boot from and so on
02:29<jm_>besides, why would you move /boot away from ssd? it doesn't get a lot of writes
02:31<gabriel34>maybe /boot is excess caution :) I was acctualy following advice from a site
02:32<gabriel34>I think it's probably more trouble than it's worth to try and find out
02:32<gabriel34>but what about /var and /tmp?
02:32<gabriel34>creating a link is the way to go?
02:32<gabriel34>(sorry for using enter as a comma :P)
02:33<Bushmills>gabriel34: mount --bind is preferable over ln -s
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02:35<Bushmills>as /tmp, i have mounted tmpfs. not on nonvolatile storage at all
02:37<gabriel34>so, I should add a fstab line like: '/var /mnt/hda1 none bind' after the hda1 line?
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02:38<Bushmills>if the location you want to mount from is a directory yes. in case it'sa whole partition, just mounting, no bind, will do.
02:39<feldmaus_>Hi, does somebody know a possibility to echo or print a password from an user, as logged in root?
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02:39<feldmaus_>or only his own password
02:39<gabriel34>sorry, I should have said /mnt/hda1/var
02:39<Bushmills>and no. reverse source and mountpoint. if hda1 is mounted to /mnt/, why not mounting it to /var directly?
02:40<Bushmills>feldmaus_: you can't. passwords aren't stored.
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02:40<gabriel34>becauso I want to do this to /tmp as well, and because there are lots of other things on hda1
02:40<Nemoder>feldmaus_: only the hashes are stored, best to just reset lost passwords
02:40<Bushmills>gabriel34: you can mount a volume to more than one location
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02:41<gabriel34>If I simply mout hda1 to /var I would get all my files on /var
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02:41<Bushmills>but why would you want /var and /tmp being the same?
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02:42<Bushmills>then mount a subdirectory by binding
02:42<feldmaus_>Nemoder: Are these hashes safe? Or can a thief who stole my disk also read this hashes?
02:42<gabriel34>how would I do that?
02:42<Bushmills>i.e. mount device to, for example, /mnt/foo, then mount bind /mnt/foo/your/subdir to mountpoint
02:43<gabriel34>Ok, thats a good idea
02:44<Nemoder>feldmaus_: only by bruteforce which takes a very long time
02:45<Bushmills>feldmaus_: the hashes can be read
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02:45<Bushmills>they may look like $6$2/8UaVOJ$TsnsgIRom5F0UD9jydunVma/X6jT4YO9JqzlQpapMk7URz7P6BApvTtk356kotcQgQZjqX0FERBMj1nk9Cnm.5
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02:48<gabriel34>I shall add the following to my fstab:
02:48<gabriel34>/dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 auto defaults 0 0
02:48<gabriel34>/mnt/hda1/var /var auto bind
02:48<gabriel34>/mnt/hda1/tmp /tmp auto bind
02:48<gabriel34>Or is it the other way around?
02:48<gabriel34>e.g.: /var /mnt/hda1/var none nind?
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02:50<gabriel34>sorry about that, got a lttle carried away
02:51<gabriel34>did my message make it through or was it blocked by the antipaste bot?
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02:56<gabriel34>So my fstab should go something like:
02:57<gabriel34>Or is it the other way around? e.g.: /var /mnt/hda1/var/ none bind
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03:02<Bushmills>fields 5 and 6 are needed too
03:03<Bushmills>dump and order, those are
03:03<Bushmills>0 0 would be ok
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03:06<gabriel34>ok, thanks! One last thing, should I move the files from the ssd to de hdd before binding? I mean, if the same mountpoint is used by two devices, where will the information be read from or writen to?
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03:51<Slydder>hey all
03:51<Slydder>does anyone know of a way to get NSS-MySQL to use multiple mysql backends for authentication?
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03:54<Kharec>Hello Slydder. Sorry, I don't. Just to say "hello".
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04:03<cthuluh>Slydder: seems like it's described in the documentation
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04:07<Slydder>then I seem to have missed it. lol. let me see if I can't find it. thanks
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04:12<kelkoobenoitr>hello, i have a preseed/netboot question:
04:13<Slydder>cthuluh: I'm still not finding it. are we talking about the same nss-mysql here? or do you mean libnss-mysql?
04:13<kelkoobenoitr>i am following this documentation:
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04:13<cthuluh>Slydder: yes, that's what I meant
04:13<kelkoobenoitr>B.4.1 says Setting localization values will only work if you are using initrd preseeding
04:14<Slydder>ah. ok. may have to switch over then. it would seem that nss-mysql doesn't support multiple backends.
04:14<cthuluh>Slydder: I just read this:
04:14<kelkoobenoitr>i am using netboot installation, but it seems i don't start with the right initrd, as it keeps asking me questions about locale and so on
04:15<Slydder>am already there
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04:15<kelkoobenoitr>all following steps of installation runs as expected in my preseed configuration file
04:16<Slydder>cthuluh: as of v 0.9 there is no multiple backend support anymore. :(
04:16<kelkoobenoitr>Does someone knows which initrd i am supposed to load from my PXE platform to automate locale questions ?
04:17<kelkoobenoitr>i am starting with this
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04:43<free>what´s up
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04:45<free>i´m fresh and i need a help
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04:46<Bushmills>legal advice?
04:46<Guest12843>Lol Free.
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04:46<Guest12843>Whats the problem
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04:47<free>ok can you help me!i need to configure my conky
04:48<Kayos>Whats a conky..
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04:48<Bushmills> /etc/conky/conky.conf
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04:50<free>conky is like gkrellm got it?
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04:51<Kayos>What the fuck is gkrellm...
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04:51<SynrG>Kayos: hm. if you can't help, then maybe just let free ask his question instead of badgering him?
04:51<SynrG>free: what is your actual problem?
04:52<Bushmills>a bit different. conky can blend into backdrop, gkrellm doesn't
04:52<Bushmills>but more, gkrellm has interactive dialog based configs, conky hasn't
04:52<free>i need to configure my system monitor conky..
04:53<Bushmills>config file. edit ut
04:53<feldmaus_>Can conky eject cd's?
04:53<kelkoobenoitr>anyone has an idea regarding my previous preseed/netboot question ?
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04:54<Bushmills>afaik, no, as it doesn't - to my knowledge - provide interaction. just display
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04:55<free>yes i did it but how can add hddtemp and eject dev
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04:55<devil>free: there is tons of docu and readymade configs on the net
04:56<free>ok thank´s
04:56<jm_>free: default values for hddtemp settings are OK, just make sure hddtemp server is running
04:57<devil>like and many more
04:57<free>ok!so i must start it in /etc/init.d?
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04:59<jm_>well first check if it's running
05:00<jm_>I think debian enabled it by default
05:00<free>ok jm_ but i have not hddtemp in my init.d,how can i start it
05:01<jm_>free: install it
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05:05<feldmaus_>Is there a web interface or something for duplicity?
05:07<free>ok i did it it´s fun jm_can i get some themes for conky?
05:07<babilen>free: You might like
05:08<jm_>free: I don't know, I use gkrellm
05:08<babilen>free: But there are probably a gazillion ways to configure conky :)
05:08<jm_>i would switch if it would be able to draw several things on the same graph
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05:16<mirrakor>I there, I'm getting the following error on a small headless machine, can someone tell me what it is about and wether it's possible to increase that value or the machine is hitting some limitation: TCP: time wait bucket table overflow
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05:16<mirrakor>also tcp_max_tw_bucket is set to 2048
05:20<OpenTokix>mirrakor: what is the machine doing?
05:21<mirrakor>OpenTokix: it's serving as dlna-, nfs-, squeezebox- and mysql-server (though the last one is only for very small databases ~1200 entries for rare access)
05:22<SynrG>does it get a lot of traffic for these things?
05:22<jm_>did you try to monitor how many sockets it has in time_wait state?
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05:22<mirrakor>SynrG: not sure what is to consider much, mostly it's just one of these things at a time
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05:23<mirrakor>jm_: they're probably to much of them, wait I'll paste netstat -s
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05:25<OpenTokix>mirrakor: is your max 2048?
05:25<OpenTokix>of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_max_tw_buckets
05:25<mirrakor>OpenTokix: yes
05:25<jm_>that's very low - how much memory does the system have?
05:25<OpenTokix>That is _very_ low, the default is is 180000
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05:26<mirrakor> here's the output of netstat -s, as it seems to me (but I'm no expert, that's why I'm asking here) the counts are quite high (for the respective usage), but I don't know weather it's ok or not
05:26<mirrakor>OpenTokix: oh, ok, it's a debian squeeze installation, can't remember that I'd have changed the defaults ...
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05:26<OpenTokix>mirrakor: how much ram do you have?
05:27<mirrakor>OpenTokix: the Dockstar has 128MByte of RAM I think
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05:27<jm_>in that case probably just ignore the error
05:27<mirrakor>122MB RAM and 2957 SWAP for that matter
05:27<jm_>or rather it's a warning
05:27<mirrakor>sorry, have to open door - back in a few mins
05:27<OpenTokix>You could alos just increase the tw_buckets
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05:37<mirrakor>so I'm back, sorry to keep you waiting
05:38<SynrG>the suspense was killing me ;)
05:38<OpenTokix>What did Jehovas have to say?
05:38<mirrakor>nah, it was just a friendly guy picking up my fridge
05:38<mirrakor>uhm, does the machine have enough ram to handle more tw_buckets? (I'm lead to think that some install script set it so low to be on the safe side)
05:39<OpenTokix>You can without problem 10x it
05:39<OpenTokix>and still have no problems
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05:40<mirrakor>ok, cool, I can set it in sysctl.conf I guess?
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05:46<mirrakor>btw. is it normal to have 5671 active connections opening?
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06:34<davide_>hi all
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06:34<davide_>what i have to do to play bell system via shell?
06:35<davide_>the command -> echo -e '\a'
06:35<davide_>doesn't work
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06:35<davide_>someone knows the answer?
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06:37<davide_>what i have to do to play bell system via shell?
06:37<cthuluh>you already asked
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06:37<davide_>i known
06:37<davide_>i know
06:37<cthuluh>you need a working speaker and an appropriate terminal setting
06:38<davide_>my speaker works fine
06:38<cthuluh>try alsamixer and unmute the internal speaker
06:38<cthuluh>then either your terminal emulator disables audible bell or you used xset -b
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06:40<pyro>anybody know how to assign xchat to eztv irc?
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06:42<davide_>thank you very mutch cthuluh
06:42<davide_>bye bye
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06:58<ComradeHaz`>Oct 7 11:00:52 pluto pulseaudio[3349]: module-console-kit.c: GetUnixUser() call failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "GetUnixUser" with signature "" on interface "org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Session" doesn't exist
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06:58<ComradeHaz`>Getting that spammed to syslog, totally filing it
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06:58<ComradeHaz`>Anyone know how to solve it?
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07:27<pkamil>hej michał
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07:27<pkamil>hej :)
07:27<pkamil>co tam michu
07:28<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on pl is also <perl>.
07:28<babilen>pkamil, drazekm: This is *not* a chat channel and in particular not one in which Polish is spoken.
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07:28<daemonkeeper>Always the same IP ...
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07:28<pkamil>czesc ziomk,i
07:28<daemonkeeper>help us babilen. :)
07:28<pkamil>tu hehehe plutek
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07:33<Xtremeasure>hello everyone, anyone on that can lend a hand?
07:33<amoe>Xtremeasure, just ask
07:35<Xtremeasure>i did an install on an old g3 for a friend but forgot my root pass, i read somewhere i can boot into a the diretory that my root shell sits in and change the password by adding init=bin/bash to yaboot on bot time unfortunatlyit wont let me am i missing something?
07:36<jm_>!i forgot root's password
07:36<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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07:36<jm_>I suppose grub stuff won't apply to you but the rest will
07:37<Xtremeasure>ok lol im a boot of a noob can you explain how to fsck my root file system ive run linux before but could use some explaining.
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07:38<jm_>"fsck /" in general
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07:39<Xtremeasure>thanks that was easy enough lol
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07:40<jm_>no worries
07:41<Xtremeasure>it telling me fsck isnt a command..
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07:41<jm_>probably not in path, /sbin/fsck
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07:45<tal>Hello all. I installed oss4-base, oss4-dkms and oss4-gtk but don't know how to build it to my kernel... I know I need to use DKMS, but how?
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07:45<Xtremeasure>same problem jm
07:45<Xtremeasure>i can see fsck in the directory but still wont let me run it
07:45<jm_>Xtremeasure: what exactly does it say?
07:45<jm_>and what are you typing?
07:46<Xtremeasure>same thing you told me to
07:46<Xtremeasure>fsck /
07:47<Xtremeasure>"-bash: fsck: command not found
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07:48<jm_>run it like /sbin/fsck /
07:48<jm_>or set PATH: PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin ; export PATH and then use fsck
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07:49<jm_>tal: you mean it wasn't built when you installed the package? it should be
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07:50<tal>jm_: It didn't. I have linux 3.0.0-1
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07:50<jm_>tal: then try: dpkg-reconfigure oss4-dkms
07:50<jm_>but I suppose this means it tried to build it but the build failed
07:50<Xtremeasure>deniad me permissions after i got it started even after setting the path
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07:52<tal>jm: dpkg-reconfigure oss4-dkms
07:52<tal>jm: Sory. I ment: Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.0.0-1-amd64 (x86_64)
07:53<jm_>tal: right, I anticipated it
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07:55<jm_>tal: see if you have a log in /var/lib/dkms/...
07:55<nex>I've got a problem with my optical cd/dvd drive... I don't since when it disappeared but unfortunately it did and I have no idea how to get it back :)
07:55<nex>I don't know since when...
07:56<tal>jm: I'll try also install from squeeze backports
07:56<nex>probably it disappeared after installing a new kernel...but I didn't realize until now...
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07:56<jm_>tal: do you have kernel headers installed?
07:56<jm_>nex: what do you mean with disappeared? disappeared from where?
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07:57<tal>jm_: Yes. It's not the first moudle I've installed
07:57<nex>jm_: I can't access it (e.g. through nautilus or console)
07:57<jm_>nex: is the device there?
07:58<nex>yes, I guess
07:58<nex>dmesg tells me yes
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07:58<nex>if this helps
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08:00<nex>I've got no idea what to do...since I never had this problem before...
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08:01<jm_>nex: I don't know about nautilus, but for CLI check if /dev/cdrom* exists
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08:02<nex>it does not
08:03<nex>there is a line in my fstab: /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
08:04<jm_>what does this return then: grep 1 /sys/block/*/removable
08:05<nex>'/sys/block/hda/removable:1 /sys/block/sdb/removable:1
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08:07<tal>jm_: It happens also in squeeze
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08:09<jm_>nex: try to comment out stuff in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules and run 'udevadm trigger'
08:09<nex>the weird thing is, that the drive makes noises as if it would read/load the cd
08:09<nex>jm_: okay I'll try
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08:11<nex>jm_: what should I comment out?
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08:14<jm_>nex: yes, everything
08:14<jm_>so impatient
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08:16<matematiko>Hello all, what are the latest recommendations for installing libdvdcss2? I can not play encrypted DVDs from Netflix...thanks
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08:17<dpkg>libdvdcss is a free software library for unscrambling <CSS>-encrypted DVDs, not to be confused with <DeCSS>. It is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To acquire, install the libdvdcss2 package available from debian-multimedia, ask me about <dmm>.
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08:19<matematiko>dpkg: TY, let me check it up
08:19<dpkg>matematiko: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
08:19<nex>jm_: didn't help
08:19<jm_>!tell matematiko -about dmm
08:20<matematiko>dpkg: tell me about dmm
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08:20<jm_>nex: did you reboot? did it update the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules file?
08:21<nex>jm_: restarted X after each change and I had to login I should reboot?
08:21<nex>jm_: any suggestions what I should comment out?
08:22<matematiko>dpkg: <dmm>
08:22<dpkg>i haven't a clue, matematiko
08:22<jm_>nex: really? comment out all entries like ENV, SUBSYSTEM etc.
08:22<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, matematiko
08:22<jm_>nex: alternatively if this doesn't help try reloading CD related modules or reboot
08:23<nex>and apparently my system clock changed
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08:23<jm_>matematiko: dpkg told you about it via a private message
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08:24<matematiko>jm: I to this x-irc
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08:25<jm_>matematiko: did you see it now?
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08:26<matematiko>jm_ yes ty, I am on it :)
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08:26<matematiko>jm_: yes ty, I am on it :)
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08:33<matematiko>dpkg: dmm mirrors
08:33<dpkg>Servers mirroring content are listed at (copy at
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08:34<yopyop>Xlock is not include anymore in stable. What lock system will you advise ? This is for students desktop, wm are awesome, ctwm and xfce. I need one with features of button to logout after XX min.
08:35<jm_>yopyop: I have used the 'ssb' method to backport xlockmore
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08:47<Bushmills>,versions i3lock
08:47<judd>Package: i3lock on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0-1; sid: 2.1-1; wheezy: 2.1-1
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08:47<Bushmills>,versions slock
08:47<judd>No package named 'slock' was found in i386.
08:47<SynrG>yopyop: unsure if that meets your requirements or not
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08:49<Bushmills>ah, slock is part of suckless-tools
08:49<Bushmills>,versions suckless-tools
08:49<judd>Package: suckless-tools on i386 -- squeeze: 35-1; sid: 38-1; wheezy: 38-1
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08:53<ComradeHaz`>Hey all, suffering from but it's so old I can't imagine it's not fixed. (I get 20 messages an hour spammed to syslog!) Please can someone advise?
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08:56<SynrG>yopyop: btw, i agree with the 'new login' decision there. a user shouldn't have to wait for the old session to timeout before logging in, and a linux system should be able to handle multiple users. as for timing out their session for inactivity, there are other ways of accomplishing that, and it seems that shouldn't be tied to having a screensaver in use.
08:57<SynrG>so, different end result with xscreensaver's approach, but accomplishes the right thing, imho
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08:59<damian__>jest tu kots?
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09:15<mspc>can someone pls tell me where to find eglibc precompiled?
09:15<mspc>apt search gives me only the source
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09:16<babilen>mspc: libc6 ?
09:17<mspc>there it is, thx
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09:18<babilen>mspc: no problem :)
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09:41<antonio>Hi at all, i've an upside/down webcam, how i can solve it?
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09:42<petemc>antonio: flip it 180 degrees
09:43<antonio>petemc, i have a notebook!!!
09:44<antonio>any software or any driver for solve it?
09:45<SynrG>it was installed upside-down? sounds like an issue to take up with your vendor (return under warranty?)
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09:47<antonio>SynrG, this is an asus notebook, i bought it 2 years ago
09:47<antonio>but with ubuntu i had no problem, while in debian squeeze.... :s
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09:48<SynrG>so, not a hardware issue then. when you said you had an upside-down webcam, it made it sound as if the physical orientation was wrong
09:48<SynrG>without telling us what kind of hardware you have, i doubt if we can help
09:49<antonio>the truth is that my webcam is nounted upside-down, and it can filp with a software
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09:50<SynrG>ah. so, you probably should have been more precise in your problem statement to begin with :) what software are you using now? and what were you using before?
09:50<antonio>now i'm using cheese and uvcview
09:51<antonio>on ubuntu i used too uvcview and cheese
09:51<SynrG>and how did you accomplish the flipping before, in the app, or some option to the driver?
09:52<antonio>in ubuntu i made a change into the webcam driver and the it was well
09:52<antonio>i don't know in debian if i can do so
09:52<SynrG>in general you can add whatever entries you want in files in /etc/modprobe.d/ to send options to the drivers when they are loaded.
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09:53<SynrG>so, /etc/modprobe.d/webcam or some such (the name isn't important) and put a line like "options uvcvideo blah=foo" in it
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09:54<antonio>what do this string do into that?
09:54<SynrG>i don't know the option name. you would have to change my example to specify the right option & its value
09:55<antonio>wait, i try it then i will say you the result
09:55<SynrG>this says to set the "blah" option to value "foo" when the uvcvideo kernel module is loaded.
09:55<SynrG>after making that change, you want to remove and reload the module, e.g.
09:55<SynrG>modprobe -r uvcvideo ; modprobe -r uvcvideo
09:55<SynrG>(of course cheese must be closed)
09:55<SynrG>er, sorry, typo
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09:55<SynrG>modprobe -r uvcvideo ; modprobe uvcvideo
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09:59<antonio>nothing to do SynrG
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10:01<SynrG>antonio: what's the name of the option to your driver to flip the image? don't you know it from when you fixed it in ubuntu?
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10:03<antonio>i don't remember
10:04<SynrG>antonio: ah. you might want to read this whole discussion:
10:05<antonio>ok i will read it thanks
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10:07<SynrG>then read:
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10:14<chatnix>how to make chrome upon m3u files with a specific application using gconftools?
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10:18<iman_>hi, recently installed debian and migrate from fedora to debian, but already i can't search my wireless network, I Have Dell Vostro 1520, would you please help me to solve this problem, thanks
10:18<chatnix>iman_: search wireless network?
10:19<iman_>it's not active: Wireless Networks icon
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10:19<chatnix>iman_: i don't understand where your problem is: don't you have a wireless connection at all?
10:20<iman_>how can I found it's driver installed probably
10:20<SynrG>describe 'not active' more precisely
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10:20<iman_>how can I found it's driver installed probably
10:21<SynrG>there are a couple of possibilities here. one is that perhaps you've ended up with network-manager ignoring the device because it's configured in /etc/network/interfaces
10:21<SynrG>the other is the driver
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10:21<SynrG>is there any mention of wlan0 (or whatever your wireless device name is) in /etc/network/interfaces?
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10:21<chatnix>is there a way to list all variables /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/* in gconftools?
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10:24<SynrG>that's fine, then. so, what is your wifi network hardware as reported by lspci -nn?
10:24<babilen>iman_: What is the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network", "iwconfig" and "ifconfig -a" ?
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10:26<iman_>babilen, SynrG
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10:26<dpkg>The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCI-E 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY, supported by <b43> as of Linux 2.6.32. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Lenny users, see <bcm4312 lenny>. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, requiring firmware-b43-installer.
10:26<dvs>oh god, a Broadcom
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10:30<babilen>iman_: Please enable contrib and non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list ("/msg dpkg contrib" and "/msg dpkg non-free sources") which enables you to install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer. You can then run "modprobe -r b43 ; modprobe b43 ; dmesg | tail -n 20" (paste that) -- Please also check with "iwlist wlan0 scan" if you can see wireless networks. Another idea would be to try the proprietary wl driver from broadcom.
10:31<babilen>iman_: The latter is detailed on the page dvs linked earlier (i.e.
10:31<iman_>babilen, thanks, i try it and will inform you about result
10:31<dvs>I had one and that's the only one that worked for me.
10:32<babilen>dvs: Good to know -- Which kernel versions did you try?
10:32<dvs>2.6.26 I think (it's been a while)
10:32<Profoss>hmm, what about Broadcom and ppcs?
10:34<Profoss>not really an issue for me, I've got it connected through ethernet, but it would be fun to get the wireless working too
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10:34<babilen>Profoss: Should be supported as well
10:34<dvs>Profoss: So, try the instructions.
10:34<Profoss>I tried the first part of the instructions
10:35<Profoss>and that left me with No supported card found.
10:35<Profoss>hmm, should have been a couple of quotation marks there
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10:35<Profoss>"Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4318] (rev 02)" btw
10:36<dvs>That one is not listed.
10:37<babilen>judd: pciid 14e4:4318
10:37<judd>[14e4:4318] is 'BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in squeeze. See also
10:38<iman_>babilen, :-* :-* :-*
10:39<babilen>iman_: hehe :) enjoy!
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10:43<babilen>Profoss: That one should be supported by b43 (cf. ) -- You'll need firmware though.
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10:46<iman__>babilen, another problem which is when I remove laptop charger from power machine goes to shutdown while the battery is full
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10:51<k-man_>I'm running wheezy in a virtualbox, does it need kernel modules for the guest additions?
10:51<towo`>it does
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10:51<k-man_>how do I compile them in wheezy?
10:52<towo`>read the vbox manual?
10:52<k-man_>I thought there is a debian way?
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10:52<Hein>Hi all
10:52<towo`>or install the debian packages for the guestadditions
10:52<themill>,versions virtualbox-dkms wheezy
10:52<judd>Package: virtualbox-dkms on i386 -- wheezy: 4.1.2-dfsg-1
10:52<Hein>I have a small problem I just cant get around
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10:53<Hein>i have ssl setup with thawte security sertificate, but I keep getting on my https pages that there are non-secure content...
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10:53<Hein>I checked all content but still get the message
10:53<OpenTokix>Hein: did you maybe forget some intermediate cert?
10:53<k-man_>themill, I have that installed but still no modules are available for the kernel
10:54<Hein>it was working fine, until this morning i done an update on all the php modules
10:54<towo`>virtualbox-dkms has nothing to do with guestadditions
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10:54<OpenTokix>Hein: did you run some checkssl webservice on it, they ar pretty good. Just google checkssl
10:54<towo`>that's, what you want k-man_
10:54<k-man_>towo`, I also have that package installed - still no modules
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10:55<themill>k-man_: virtualbox-guest-dkms for the guest; do you have the kernel headers installed?
10:55<towo`>k-man_, sayes who?
10:55<k-man_>can I force dkms to rebuild the modules or something?
10:55<Hein>checkssl... cool
10:55<k-man_>themill, yes
10:55<Hein>no I havnt but I will do that now
10:55<towo`>k-man_, you also want virtualbox-guest-utils and virtualbox-guest-x11
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10:57<Hein>opentokix: i just used the ssl checker on and it comes back that all is fine and that all correct intermediate certificates are installed
10:58<OpenTokix>Hein: then you can tick of that list, what does you accesslog say?
10:58<k-man_>when I run /etc/init.d/virtualbox-guest-util start, it says error VbglR3init failed with rc=VERR_FILE_NOT_FOUND
10:58<OpenTokix>Hein: you can turn on to see what protocol is used, and see if there is any http-requests.
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11:00<Hein>opentokix: you referring to the apache logs?
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11:01<OpenTokix>Hein: yes
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11:02<Hein>opentokix, i got access.log and ssl_access.log
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11:02<OpenTokix>ok, and if you do a reload of the page in questsion, do anything apear in access.log?
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11:03<Hein>no, nothing
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11:03<OpenTokix>no statistict or something used that use some third party meassuring pixel or something?
11:03<OpenTokix>Hein: This is getting non-debian-realated - so maybe continue in private?
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11:04<Hein>i got no pixels on the site whatsoever.... that would be appreciated
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11:09<manu_>Has anyone installed the debian server 6 on a Dell PERC S100 or S300?
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11:10<manu_>when a try to install the installer don't find the discs
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11:10<Hein>Thanks Opentokix! you helped me allot! thanks!
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11:12<OpenTokix>Hein: yw, glad to help
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11:16<slips>quick question. what does the following error message mean? E: Ignore unavailable target release 'wheezy' of package 'linux-image-2.6-amd64'
11:17<slips>tried using google. it didn't bring up anything too helpful :(
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11:18<babilen>slips: wheezy has 3.0 nowadays, you want linux-image-amd64
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11:18<babilen>slips: Are you running wheezy?
11:18<themill>that package should still exist though, indicating a problem with the sources.list
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11:18<slips>babilen: running Squeeze. Just wanted to grab the source for kernel 3 to build it against stable since there's no backported version yet
11:19<slips>i.e. sorta backport it myself :)
11:19<babilen>themill: yeah, it is a dummy package isn't it?
11:20<slips>themill: err, since i didn't want to mess up my nice clean stable i only added a src package line for wheezy.. do you think that's the problem with my sources?
11:21<slips>I added the line: deb-src wheezy main
11:21<themill>and what command gave that error?
11:21<babilen>That would have been my next question ..
11:21<slips>hang on... :)
11:21<babilen>slips: Please paste the actual command you give and its output to
11:22<slips>command I ran was: apt-get source -t wheezy linux-image-2.6-amd64
11:22<slips>will put response on hang on
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11:22<babilen>slips: Please also try "apt-get source linux-image-amd64" and "apt-get source linux-image-3.0.0-1-amd64"
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11:24<slips>babilen: the first command works but fetches the source from squeeze. i guess i need to specify a target with the -t option?
11:25<towo`>slips, backporting is compiling the source
11:25<slips>and second one works and fetches from wheezy
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11:25<babilen>slips: Use the second one in that case :)
11:25<slips>towo`: yup. I plan to compile from source.
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11:25<slips>babilen: :) thanks! thought that error meant there was a problem with how i'd configured the wheezy repo..
11:25<babilen>slips: You might also want to read linux-image-3.0.0-1-amd64
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11:26<babilen>slips: Argh! I meant
11:26<slips>I know someone mentioned there may be a problem runnign kernel 3 on stable. something to do with udev
11:27<slips>babilen: I've followed through that before. I've done it once before so should be OK with that bit. It's just I couldn't work out why the apt-source command was failing. Couldn't find a nice exlanation to that error on the net.
11:27<babilen>slips: Yes, but I am not sure if that is specific to the packages in wheezy/sid or an actual dependency of kernel >= 3.0
11:27<shevek>When resuming after suspend or hibernate, my computer is busy (one of two cpus) for about a minute. If I start top before suspend, it tells me that it's busy with X11. X.log doesn't say anything. Where can I look for a way to fix this?
11:27<themill>slips: there are none known. That's not to say that there aren't some...
11:27<sney>no I think it's ok, but you do need the updated linux-base
11:27<slips>themill: I guess I'll find out
11:27<babilen>sney: great
11:27<slips>sney: noted. thanks
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11:28<sney>(it's available in squeeze-backports)
11:28<slips>to get the updated linux-base I guess I need to pull that in from wheezy too. via binary package?
11:28<slips>sney: ah is it. even better
11:28<slips>im running a backported kernel anyway.. err... 2.6.39 is that using a linux-base that's up-to-date or do i still need a newer one?
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11:30<babilen>,versions linux-base
11:30<judd>Package: linux-base on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.32-35~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32-35; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-35squeeze2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.6.32-38; squeeze-backports: 3.3~bpo60+1; sid: 3.3; wheezy: 3.3
11:30<babilen>,depends linux-image-3.0.0-1-amd64 --release sid
11:30<judd>Package linux-image-3.0.0-1-amd64 in sid/i386 -- depends: module-init-tools, linux-base (>= 3~), initramfs-tools (>= 0.99~) | linux-initramfs-tool,debconf | debconf-2.0.
11:30<babilen>... should be fine
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11:30<slips>yay. looks like I can do things the easy way for a change :)
11:31<sney>slips: 'aptitude show linux-base' can tell you for sure
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11:31<slips>sney: 3.3~bpo60+1
11:32<sney>well there you go
11:32<slips>is there a place where I can lookup apt error messages in future?
11:32<slips>I don't like hassling people if I can find out for myself
11:33<babilen>slips: Is the IRC intelligent search engine not good enough? ;)
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11:33<slips>babilen: to be honest that judd bot is pretty handy ;-)
11:33<babilen>slips: Well, I am not aware of any comprehensible collection of error messages apart from the source itself.
11:34<slips>babilen: and it's fine to not have a corresponding binary package location along with the source one?
11:34<babilen>s/comprehensible/comprehensive/ *sigh*
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11:34<babilen>slips: sure
11:34<slips>I was just playing safe.. in case I accidentely started pulling in files from wheezy by mistake
11:34<slips>one more thing (columbo style). do source packages generally have the same name as the binary equivalents?
11:35*themill pats judd
11:35*babilen pats themill
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11:36<babilen>slips: No -- Various binary packages can be built from the same source package.
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11:36<tensorpudding>how would you figure out a full list of packages that depend on a given package?
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11:37<babilen>slips: And the kernel source package is (still) linux-2.6
11:37<slips>babilen: ah... yes of course. that may explain why i had trouble searching
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11:38<tensorpudding>i want to know what all depends on python-gtk2
11:39<slips>tensorpudding: aptitude why python-gtk2 ?
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11:39<babilen>tensorpudding: "apt-cache rdpends python-gtk2" ?
11:39<babilen>tensorpudding: *rdepends
11:40<tensorpudding>big list
11:40<Zaba>apt-cache --installed rdepends python-gtk2
11:40<tensorpudding>i'm not interested in installed apps
11:40<tensorpudding>i wanted all of them
11:40<babilen>tensorpudding: You wanted the full list -- don't complain now :)
11:40<Zaba>well yes
11:40<Zaba>rdepends will give you the full list
11:40<tensorpudding>yes, i know
11:40<tensorpudding>not a complaint, a comment
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11:41<tensorpudding>someone on the mentors list seemed to be arguing against inclusion of a package because it depended on python-gtk2
11:41<babilen>tensorpudding: You might also be interested in "build-rdeps python-gtk2" (from devscripts)
11:42<babilen>tensorpudding: I've seen it -- Wasn't it pabs? You can/should discuss this in #debian-python and/or #debian-mentors (the former is probably more appropriate)
11:42<slips>rdepends = recursive depends?
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11:42<tensorpudding>i didn't know if it was appropriate to discuss on the list
11:42<babilen>slips: exactly
11:42<tensorpudding>i'm new
11:42<Zaba>no, rdepends is reverse depends
11:42<babilen>tensorpudding: I am talking about the IRC channels :)
11:42<Zaba>i.e., what depends on foo, rather than what foo depends on
11:43<babilen>Zaba: Oh, you are absolutely right. That was my autocorrection kicking in :)
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11:45<slips>thanks for the help again people.
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12:21<syntaxx>is it possible to preserve LVM during preseed?
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12:22<silvano>salve a tutti
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12:43<manu_>Debian 6 on Dell server with PERC S300 controller
12:43<manu_>anyone use?
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12:44<daemonkeeper>What's S300? The SAS HBA?
12:44<manu_>daemonkeeper, SAS Controller RAID
12:45<manu_>Debian is not supported for Dell
12:45<daemonkeeper>Yes, I'm aware. But unfortunately Dell calls them all PERC [HSwhatever][number]
12:45<daemonkeeper>So I am asking what controller exactly.
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12:46<manu_>daemonkeeper, Dell sayd me just PERC S300 Controller
12:46<daemonkeeper>I know Debian works fine on H300, 6i, 6e and several others. They are all just rebranded LSI adapter which do all work as far as my knowledge goes.
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12:48<manu_>daemonkeeper, see this link, please
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12:48<daemonkeeper>Oh, it's a desktop adapter. Hence I may never heard of S300 :>
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12:49<daemonkeeper>Anyway: It will very likely work.
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12:50<manu_>daemonkeeper, i try to user SuSE
12:51<daemonkeeper>Well, if it works on Suse or RedHat or whatever, it also works on Debian.
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13:17<daemonkeeper>.oO( But it's !list!)
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14:35<nocturnal>the default netcat that comes in debian, don't ask me to identify it because there are so many but if anyone here has installed debian 5 or 6 they have that version, how exactly do I use it to setup a listening server and connect to it from a client? I've tried variations of nc -l -p 65535 -q 0 but I often get invalid connection and it closes as soon as the nc -vv client connects. I'm used to the one that ships on freebsd where you can just do n
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14:36<boba>Truncated at "where you can just do n". Did you try installing netcat-openbsd? Maybe that might work better
14:36<nocturnal>you can just do nc -kl 65535 and it works great. on linux I've resorted to using in.ftpd in inetd.conf to test port openings.
14:37<nocturnal>well I don't think I should have to install a new one
14:37<nocturnal>netcat is supposed to handle that simple task
14:37<nocturnal>clearly I'm doing something wrong
14:37<nocturnal>I'm using it wrong
14:37<nocturnal>or I hope I am
14:37<nocturnal>that's why I'm here
14:38<boba>What does -k do?
14:38<nocturnal>keep the connection open
14:38<nocturnal>which is what I assumed -q 0 would do
14:38<nocturnal>according to the nc manual on debian
14:39<nocturnal>-q is how long to wait after a connection has been received
14:39<nocturnal>and 0 is said to be forever
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14:39<nocturnal>I suspect I'm using it wrong also because I get an error about invalid connection and it exits as soon as something connects to it.
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14:39<nocturnal>and doing echo 'test' | nc -vv doesn't send the data through.
14:39<nocturnal>or if I do it on the server side.
14:40<nocturnal>but like I said, as soon as I use inetd (install it and use it) I can test my newly opened ports properly.
14:40<nocturnal>I don't usually have inetd running
14:40<nocturnal>or installed
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14:40<nocturnal>I guess in retrospect it would maybe be faster to use in.ftpd in daemon mode if it supports it
14:41<nocturnal>gotta try that next time
14:42<nocturnal>or even tcpd
14:42<nocturnal>but it would be so easy to just run nc and be done with it like I used to.
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14:42<boba>See if your nc takes an -s flag
14:43<nocturnal>local address?
14:43<nocturnal> -s addr local source address
14:43<boba>for source addr
14:43<nocturnal>oh man
14:43<nocturnal>you're right of course
14:43<nocturnal>I assumed you could just specify it as an extra argument
14:43<nocturnal>without a flag
14:43<nocturnal>I learned the same hard lesson with -p
14:43<nocturnal>thanks for your help my friend
14:43<boba>It's maddening how the flags are different from implementation to implementation isn't it
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14:44*boba learned something too. Thank you
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14:46<nocturnal>perfect example of how nerds can't agree on even the smallest detail. netcat is implemented by school children in programming classes yet they couldn't just all agree on one standard because there has been no effort at all to do so outside of the susv3 standards.
14:47<nocturnal>even mozilla and microsoft can sit down together from time to time =)
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15:09<noodleking>back again, with another query.
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15:09<noodleking>I want to have a symbolic link to multiple folders, is this possible?
15:10<noodleking>basically something like: ln -s "/dir1 /dir2 /dir3" /myhandyDir
15:11<blarson_>noodleking: no
15:12<noodleking>as I expanded my storage I lost track of where I was saving individual music and pdf files, now I have gigs of pdfs and flacs that it would take hours (literally) to move across drives... so I was thinking that there must be an easier way to have access to them (I only require read access, since I don't plan on deleting any of them).
15:12<noodleking>blarson_, really? that's disappointing.
15:12<blarson_>noodleking: actually, that would work, but put a link to a name with spaces in it
15:13<noodleking>ah, I see what you're saying
15:13<noodleking>it would treat the "... ... ..." as one location name with spaces.
15:14<sirEgghead>i got a video card question
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15:14<noodleking>it seemed that this sort of problem would be well within the file handling and manipulation abilities of linux
15:14<blarson_>noodleking: you could create a directory with symbolic links to the files in it
15:15<sirEgghead>currently i'm running an intel board with a core i5 integrated graphics. i want to install my nvidia pcie card. should i install the drivers first? are there more details i should take care of?
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15:15<noodleking>blarson_, yes, that's my "plan B", but ideally I want a /pdf with all my tech and fiction pdfs and a /flac with all the flacs.
15:16<noodleking>the flexibility that the above would provide would mean that I could even put a web front-end on it and stream/view the files from all my devices on the lan...
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15:18<noodleking>what would be the technical issue with something like this? just the fact that the syntax wouldn't handle the /loc1 /loc2 /loc3 as individual locations for the sym link?
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15:20<blarson_>noodleking: you could implement it as a filesystem. There are copy-on-write filesystems tha do something similar.
15:21<noodleking>blarson_, could you explain a little? I don't really know my way around Linux, I'm just going by "intuition" and a little programming experience.
15:21<noodleking>what's "copy-on-write"?
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15:35<bergerx> /msg dpkg squeeze
15:35<flower>without the space
15:36<bergerx>noodleking, copy-on-write means: when you fork() in a program a copy of that process is created
15:36<bergerx>noodleking, but actually no variables are copied initally while foirking
15:37<bergerx>they willbe copied when you first shange a variable
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15:38<bergerx>flower, thanks, i pasted it accidentally
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15:43<noodleking>hmm, clearly a little beyond my skills there.
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15:43<noodleking>thanks for the explanation bergerx
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15:45<noodleking>I guess I'll go and implement "plan B", thanks for the info blarson_, bergerx
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16:54<AopicieR_>hi; is anyone else seeing that the latest vim from Debian testing is not refreshing itself correctly when the terminal emulator it runs in (xterm or rxvt-unicode-256color) is resized?
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16:59<MrFrood>AopicieR_: #debian-next for testing/sid stuff
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17:00<AopicieR_>MrFrood: sorry and thanks
17:00<apoleon>AopicieR_: i think you're right, i experience the same issue
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17:04<AopicieR_>apoleon: that's good to hear, glad I'm not the only one
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17:05<apoleon>AopicieR_: yeah, maybe not so good ;), i don't see a bugreport but perhaps it is related to rxvt-unicode-256color and not vim, i think i need to investigate a little more
17:05<AopicieR_>apoleon: I also have the probelm with xterm
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17:06<apoleon>wait a second i try it with xterm
17:07<AopicieR_>apoleon: it's strange, I could swear that the changelog of vim looked completely different a few days ago; there was a change that mentioned that vim would now be built against python 2.7 and I think that's when the problem first appeared
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17:07<apoleon>AopicieR_: python2.7 broke a lot of apps lately
17:08<AopicieR_>I don't understand why I don't see that in the changelog anymore
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17:12<apoleon>AopicieR_: interesting seems to be indeed a problem with vim, nano for example seems to behave as intended
17:12<AopicieR_>apoleon: yeah, I'm also not having any problems with irssi or mutt or less
17:13<AopicieR_>apoleon: you're running 7.3.15-1+b1?
17:13<apoleon>AopicieR_: yes, i do
17:13<AopicieR_>I forgot a 3, but never mind
17:14<apoleon>latest change was on 09/28
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17:15<AopicieR_>yes; do you have the possibility of downgrading to for example 7.3.280-1?
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17:16<apoleon>AopicieR_: maybe if i find the package
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17:19<AopicieR_>apoleon: I found them in /var/cache/apt/archives and for me that fixes it
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17:20<apoleon>AopicieR_: hmm, i always clean the cache with aptitude clean..
17:20<AopicieR_>apoleon: then don't bother
17:22<AopicieR_>I should report that, I've never reported a bug though
17:22<apoleon>AopicieR_: i think the bug is related to python2.7, but i need to make a downgrade to verify it
17:23<AopicieR_>yes, it pretty certainly is
17:23<slips>When I run aptitude in interactive mode from the command line it says #Broken: 15. Does that mean I have broken deps?
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17:23<apoleon>AopicieR_: reporting a bug is quite easy, you only have to install reportbug and edit your .reportbugrc file so that it includes your smtp server and your preferred text editor
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17:24<AopicieR_>apoleon: I've already installed libpython2.7 from sid to see if it makes a difference but it doesn't
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17:27<apoleon>AopicieR_: i've made a downgrade to the squeeze vesion of vim and the bug is gone
17:27<AopicieR_>apoleon: thank you for confirming it
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17:28<slips>how come apt never complains about these broken packages? is there an equivalent to aptitude search ~b for apt-get?
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17:30<AopicieR_>apoleon: I'm looking at apt-cache rdepends libpython2.7 to see if there is another package that one might test
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17:31<AopicieR_>apoleon: are you also using vim-gtk?
17:31<apoleon>AopicieR_: nope, only vim
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17:34<apoleon>AopicieR_: i will file a bug report later. i suggest you should take a look at the bug tracker tomorrow and add some comments
17:34<AopicieR_>apoleon: thank you very much
17:35<AopicieR_>apoleon: will you file it against vim or against libpython?
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17:37<apoleon>AopicieR_: good question, my first thought was to file it against vim, maybe the maintainer knows better
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17:38<AopicieR_>(aha, OFTC =, good to know ;))
17:38<AopicieR_>apoleon: yes, I also think that vim is the right choice
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17:38<AopicieR_>he can still reassign it when he's sure that libpython is to blam
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17:39<apoleon>AopicieR_: agreed
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18:11<debianyes>is it possible to use Novell under debian? (i.e. being able to log in in the server and all that)
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18:15<retrospectacus>debianyes: you can apt-get install evolution which is a groupwise client produced by Novell.
18:16<debianyes>retrospectacus: does it allow to load your own remote desktop from the server and all that?
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18:17<retrospectacus>I don't know, I've never dealt with Novell
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18:18<retrospectacus>I doubt it does that particular thing. It's an email/calendar program
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18:18<retrospectacus>there are a few remote desktop clients in debian though
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18:39<mikeifying>i setup debian on my old mac g3 and never set a root password i tried to fsck but it told me i didnt have r/w permission what do i do ?
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18:40<retrospectacus>use sudo
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18:40<dondelelcaro>!tell mikeifying -about i forgot root's password
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18:41<mikeifying>yeah i been through those steps donelelcaro from the wiki lol i was worried about fsck but it gives me a warning about damaging my filesystem
18:41<retrospectacus>now it sounds like you're trying to fsck a mounted partition
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18:42<retrospectacus>which is it? don't have r/w, or warning about damaging?
18:43<mikeifying>both lol
18:43<daemonkeeper>dondelelcaro: Eventually a bit off-topic here, but is there a shadow/playground/sandbox BTS I could use anywhere?
18:43<retrospectacus>!tell mikeifying about ask
18:44<dondelelcaro>daemonkeeper: no
18:44<retrospectacus>!tell mikeifying about errors
18:44<daemonkeeper>dondelelcaro: Bad, but thanks for your answer.
18:44<dondelelcaro>daemonkeeper: it's been asked for a few times, and honestly, it's not worth the time to set it up
18:45<daemonkeeper>dondelelcaro: I'd need some playground I can interact with for integration at Debexpo (mentors.d.n).
18:45<mikeifying>ok the error message im getting with fsck is !!WARNING!! the file system is mounted. if you continue you will cause !!!severe!!! file system damage
18:45<dondelelcaro>daemonkeeper: there's really no reason for one, either; best method to learn is to help packages and maintainers working on it
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18:45<retrospectacus>mikeifying: and what part of that is unclear?
18:46<mikeifying>lol i didnt say it was unclear i said it worried me
18:46<retrospectacus>that's good
18:46<dondelelcaro>daemonkeeper: oh, for that sort of thing, you can use debbugs-local to set up a local copy, or you can play with it on one of the bugs mirrors if you're a developer, etc.
18:46<retrospectacus>!tell mikeifying about lol
18:47<retrospectacus>mikeifying: yes, you should never fsck a mounted partition. Any more questions?
18:48<daemonkeeper>dondelelcaro: Working on the developer thing. Hence I think, I'd need my own test instance for now. That's ok I guess. Thanks for your pointers.
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18:48<dondelelcaro>daemonkeeper: what in particular are you looking for, though?
18:48<dondelelcaro>daemonkeeper: almost everything that you'd want to do, you can do with the real BTS
18:48<mikeifying>ok so running the mount commands "mount -o /dev/hda3 remount,rw /" its telling me that i need to specify a file system type
18:49<mikeifying>what exactly am i supposed to tell it to help me set my root password
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18:49<retrospectacus>that command is messed up, should be mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda3 /
18:50<Black_Prince>It should be mount -o remount,rw /
18:50<daemonkeeper>dondelelcaro: Yes, but my testing would produce a lot of noise, as the goal is to bridge RFS/sponsoring requests to the BTS, tag them there, close them there and so on. Using the "real" BTS is surely not desirable for such a thing.
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18:50<mikeifying>ok even after all thats its still telling me i cant edit the root password and im following this to the letter of the instruction here.
18:50<dondelelcaro>daemonkeeper: hrm... automated messages going to the BTS (opening/closing) generally isn't a good idea
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18:51<retrospectacus>!tell mikeifying about errors
18:51<daemonkeeper>dondelelcaro: The full plan is on d-mentors at <>. Eventually you want to comment (I mean: again).
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18:52<mikeifying>haha after following the instructions unmounting running fsck and then remounting and then running passwd root its telling me i dont have permission to view or change the roots password
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18:53<daemonkeeper>dondelelcaro: In the second half of the plan, some people (including me) proposed some workflow. Basically the bug would be filed by a user or alternatively by Debexpo and tracked there through the SOAP interface.
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18:55<dmitry>does anybody know what server #oe is on (open embedded)
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18:56<riley>yo- i get this error when i try to mount a nfs volumeL
18:56<riley>mount: mount to NFS server 'research-team06' failed: RPC Error: Program not registered.
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18:56<riley>what is up with that?
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18:57<dondelelcaro>riley: a program hasn't registered with portmap or portmap isn't running or isn't running on the right interface.
18:57<dondelelcaro>riley: check dmesg
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18:58<riley>dondelelcaro: what do i look for in dmesg?
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19:00<retrospectacus>just look at the last few lines
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19:01<riley>these lines look interesting:
19:01<riley>NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery directory
19:01<riley>NFSD: starting 90-second grace period
19:01<riley>what does that mean?
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19:03<daemonkeeper>dondelelcaro: I'm ok if you tell me/us "screw you, I don't want you to abuse my BTS that way", but please tell me/us before I implemented the stuff then :)
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19:14<riley>when i run rpcinfo -p, everything looks good
19:14<riley>[16:13:14] qseprod@research-team03:[/mnt/san]: sudo mount research-team06:/mnt/san /mnt/san
19:14<riley>mount: mount to NFS server 'research-team06' failed: RPC Error: Program not registered.
19:14<riley>how do i fix this?
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19:17<sades>anyone there
19:17<daemonkeeper>Yes. You.
19:17<sades>well know
19:19<daemonkeeper>This number is not recognised
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19:19<JoeKickass>!tell sades about ask
19:19<themill>sades: do you have a debian user support question we can help you with?
19:19<sades>what abot ask!
19:19<sades>im new
19:19<@weasel>obviously. or a troll.
19:19<sades>a troll
19:19<@weasel>if you don't behave properly we'll have to remove you from this channel.
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19:20<sades>oh i know them
19:20<nevyn>riley: start portmap
19:20<sades>trolls are annoying all they say is fake and gay
19:20<dvs>oh boy
19:20-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@] by ChanServ
19:20<themill>sades: please take ubuntu support questions to #ubuntu on If you want a social channel, try #moocows.
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19:22<dvs>themill: How'd you know he was using Ubuntu?
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19:30<jhutchins_lt>dvs: Ve haff vays.
19:30*dvs gulps
19:31<JoeKickass>can you tell what I am running?
19:32<JoeKickass>hint: it's not debian
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19:33<dvs>JoeKickass: DOS 6.22?
19:33<daemonkeeper>dvs: No TCP/IP
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19:34<jhutchins_lt>daemonkeeper: Mine did.
19:35<daemonkeeper>Which driver did you use?
19:35<jhutchins_lt>daemonkeeper: Various. Did a lot of Novell.
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19:36<jhutchins_lt>chamelion? Not sure. I've got the floppies somewhere.
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19:39<daemonkeeper>It surely was one or two days ago, hence it's ok not to remember. But I guess we shouldn't stress themill's patience anymore with off-topic talk. :)
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20:11<Ethan>Hey can anyone help me with installing GNOME to a Debian install that (of course) does't have it?
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21:01<i3ear>Hey guiez I have a question
21:01<i3ear>I want to learn how to code in C++
21:01<i3ear>I would like a compiler that is easy to use but doesn't do work for me
21:02<i3ear>or at least nothing like the fucking retard proof visual C++
21:03<mattcen>i3ear: G++ is pretty easy when you're starting off IMHO
21:04-!-mode/#debian [+l 468] by debhelper
21:04<mattcen>Write your code in an editor of choice, and compile with G++. I believe also that Geany does C++
21:06<i3ear>whell what if I want to write applications for both windows and linux?
21:06<cybersphinx>i3ear: For learning C++, Bruce Eckel's "Thinking in C++" is freely available.
21:07<cybersphinx>Crossplatform depends on what exactly you want. For Qt for example you can use mingw-cross-env to cross-compile from Linux.
21:07<i3ear>whell then awesome, but still, there are like a million compilers out there for c++ and I imagine for G++ a million more, the question is, which one?
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21:08<cybersphinx>"apt-get install g++", and mingw-cross-env includes its own version.
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21:14<mattcen>So can anybody tell me how I can tell Linux not to power down my USB wireless keyboard/mouse combo when it goes on standby, so that I can use the keyboard or mouse to wake it up? Windows works this way on the same system
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21:15<i3ear>thank you all : D
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21:16<JoeKickass>i3ear: good luck have fun!
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23:11<nik_>what do you guys know about pcie_aspm ? will setting it to forced improve my battery life?
23:13<cybersphinx_>nik_: If you have hardware that supports it, and a broken bios that claims your hardware doesn't. Try it, it might help, it might do nothing, or it might make your battery last longer but your system unstable.
23:15<nik_>how can I find out these things/how do I even do it? sorry I'm not very experienced
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23:19<cybersphinx_>nik_: If googling doesn't help, the only way to find out is trying I guess. To try, add the parameter to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub, run update-grub, and reboot.
23:20<nik_>okay, sorry I didn't see it on gogle
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23:20<nik_>one second
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23:21<detly>how can I find out what font *file* is used when I select a certain font name in, say, inkscape?
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23:21<detly>the problem is, I have a document that looks different with the same version of inkscape, and the same fonts installed, between debian wheezy/sid and ubuntu 11.04
23:21<nik_>isn't it in /usr/fonts?
23:22<cybersphinx_>detly: "fc-match -a <font>", first line is the default font, following are substitutions when that doesn't contain the needed glyphs.
23:23<detly>that did it
23:23<detly>and indeed, it is different!
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23:24<detly>nik_: I had some installed in /usr/local/share/fonts too, which turned out to be the problem :P
23:25<detly>nice, fixed! thanks cybersphinx_ :)
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