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---Logopened Sat Oct 08 00:00:29 2011
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00:59<mspc>i recommend apt-file to anyone who doesnt have it
00:59<mspc>saves a hell of a lot of searching around to see what package a file is in
01:00<kop>mspc: See the <search> factoid. (I find debtags very useful as well.)
01:03<mspc>ah, i didnt know about debtags but im reading about them right now
01:03<kop>mspc: The <overview> factoid may or may not be helpful as well.
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01:09<erwiz>I read the policy and checked my package with lintian but could somebody else have a look at it and tell me if the guide lines were followed correctly?
01:09<kop>erwiz: No problem asking here but you might get more help in #debian-mentors
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01:14<ayaka>does installer can support 4K sector auto?
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01:19<alvarezp>Hi, is there a way to disable the new notification saver in Sid?
01:20<sney>sid/testing support goes to #debian-next
01:20<alvarezp>thanks, sney
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01:26<ayaka>if I compiled linux 3.04 and use in squeeze ,will it cause problem?
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01:42<bensaratov>всем привет
01:42<bensaratov>нужна помощь по debian
01:43<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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01:50<sney>russian written in the english alphabet, because dpkg doesn't do unicode properly
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01:50<dpkg>hmm... he is alone in the house left to him by the death of his parents, even though he's only feet away from the sister he's always been much closer than to anyone else. From his hidden room, he views life through concealed video cameras. Life is only real to him when he sees it on a monitor, and on most of those monitors is his sister. Or Hebrew
01:51<dpkg>well, el is for help in greek try or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to & to #debian-el
01:51<dpkg>Japanese speakers: please use #debianjp on or speak English here.
01:51<sney>!msg the bot
01:51<dpkg>Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others.
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01:52<tensorpudding>the cn one has some line noise that definitely isn't unicode
01:52<Dark_Link>now if only debian worked with dwa 130 b1 with wpa2
01:52<Dark_Link>even ubuntu fails
01:52<naqib>dear friends i have problem with installing my modem, i google it many times but i could not get a good answer .(my modem is ALi Corporation M5457 AC'97 Modem Controller)
01:52<naqib>what shoul i do?
01:52<dpkg>A Winmodem (or software modem) is a modem with minimal hardware, relying on the host computer to perform most or all processing and operational tasks. For device support on Debian systems, ask me about <martian>, <sv92p> (Agere/Lucent); <slmodem> (SmartLink); <mwavem> (IBM Mwave); <pctel> (PCTel); <sm56> (Motorola); <hcf>, <hsf> (Conexant/Rockwell). See also <3com>, <winmodem-trick>
01:53<sney>Dark_Link: what wifi chip does that use?
01:53<tensorpudding>windows modems are somewhat a lost cause
01:53<Dark_Link>sney i have to add the relteck drivers manualy
01:54<sney>tensorpudding: sometimes they kinda work, but nothing beats an old school external serial modem
01:54<tensorpudding>i tried getting an agere working ages ago
01:54<sney>Dark_Link: what wifi chip does that use?
01:54<Dark_Link>its cause the kernal is out of date on debian
01:54<naqib>i used scanmodem and it says my modem is hsf
01:55<naqib>i don't know what to do?
01:55<sney>it says it's not packaged for debian so you must need the drivers from
01:55<tensorpudding>it'll be a great day when winmodems aren't just obsolete, but obscure
01:55<Dark_Link>let me find it
01:57<sney>tensorpudding: well, modems in general are going away
01:57<tensorpudding>oh yeah
01:57<tensorpudding>dialup modems in general
01:57<sney>yeah. and everything else tends to be a discrete hardware device
01:58<sney>I haven't seen an internal cable modem in about a decade and they were never popular
01:58<Dark_Link>it uses the firmware-rallink drivers im looking for the chipset now
01:58<naqib>@sney: not in middle asia
01:59<tensorpudding>it's a terrible idea
01:59<tensorpudding>better to use an external device that's easy to setup and universally supportable
02:00<naqib>ubuntu support external modem automatically?
02:00<Dark_Link>is the chiop set
02:00<Dark_Link>chip set
02:00<sney>naqib: serial modems, yes
02:00<sney>naqib: not the same as usb
02:00<Dark_Link>i installed the proper drivers but i cant connect to a wpa2 network
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02:01<sney>Dark_Link: did you try a newer kernel from rt2800 was improved in 2.6.33 and backports currently has 2.6.39
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02:02<Dark_Link>sney i couldent even get it online
02:02<Dark_Link>i was downloading the drivers via windows
02:02<naqib>how i can do this?
02:03<sney>Dark_Link: just download the kernel package and linux-base on another computer/different OS then install them with dpkg -i
02:03<Dark_Link>ok i will try that
02:03<sney>it's just 2 .debs, kernels don't have much in the way of dependencies
02:03<sney>!ubuntuirc naqib
02:03<dpkg>naqib: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
02:04<naqib>ok don't worry i'm going to leave
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02:34<Kharec>hi there.
02:36<kimmo>Help needed: apt-get upgrade was interrupted and now it gives me followed error after doing 'dpkg --configure -a' : "dpkg: error: failed to open package info file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0011' for reading: Input/output error"
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02:48<mattcen>Hi all, what progam or script reads /etc/kernel-img.conf? I've changed one of its variables, and want to know how to apply the change.
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02:54<ompaul>mattcen: I think the answer is installing see here
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02:55<ompaul>I do like the last line in the man page :)
02:55<ompaul>the one about bugs
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03:03<mattcen>ompaul: I like the last line too. I guess I did it wrong before; I tried re-installing my current kernel ("sudo aptitude reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r)"), and that didn't seem to run the script. This time it did. Oh well, all good.
03:03<ompaul>okie dokie ;)
03:03<ompaul>happy reboots
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03:07<mattcen>I think what happened was that the first time I reinstalled the kernel, I was booted off Debian Live Rescue, and chrooted, rather than just booted off the installation. It may have errored out without me paying attention.
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03:15<mspc>is anyone else having problems with flash player 11 being completely bugged out?
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03:19*mattcen didn't even know there *was* a Flash player 11
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03:20<mspc>just came out
03:21*mattcen gives it a go to see if it will fix problems he's had playing certain flash videos, but without much hope of success
03:21<mspc>older versions cant be downloaded from their site anymore
03:21<mspc>not on linux 64-bit anywauy
03:21<mspc>they stopped support for it
03:23<mspc>mattcen: good luck. i cant play videos altogether. it just draws nothing to the buffer so i see the previous page where the video is supposed to be
03:23<mattcen>mspc: The plugin crashes for me when I try to play the video I had issues with on Flashplayer 10.
03:24<mattcen>Too hard, lost interest :P
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04:04<js_>It was used jwm?
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04:05<babilen>js_: What?
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04:06<babilen>js_: What about JWM? And what are you referring to with JWM? The window manager?
04:07<js_>I have a question
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04:07<babilen>Yes, please ask it.
04:08<js_>jwm how to change your desktop wallpaper
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04:09<babilen>js_: → Desktop → Background -- What is your native language?
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04:11<js_>I am Chinese
04:12<js_>I did not find you said
04:12<dpkg>Ruguo nin xihuan dedao zhongwen de banzu, qin yi bu ben fuwu qi sang de #debian-zh pindao, jiaru fangfa wei zai surukuan zhong suru "/join #debian-zh" (bu yao jia yin hao), xiexie nin de hezuo!
04:12<babilen>js_: Chinese channel ^^^^^ (We need people in there)
04:12-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
04:13<js_>Why do we need here, people?
04:14<babilen>js_: The chinese channel (#debian-zh) has not that many people. I would be really happy if you would decide to stay there and help other people.
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04:17<js_>But my limited ability, I began to learn debian, freebsd before school
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04:25<js_>If you give me some information, I learned, I am willing to help the novice like me
04:26<js_> My email
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04:44<linuxlainen>hi all
04:44<linuxlainen>I need some help with "make clean" command
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04:44<linuxlainen>any idea what is this message about: "No rule to make target `clean'. Stop."
04:45<linuxlainen>please help
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04:46<DX`>linuxlainen, the source code your trying to "make clean" doesn't have a rule in it to perform a clean
04:46<DX`>what are you trying to do?
04:46<babilen>linuxlainen: It means that the Makefile does not define a "clean" target, so it can not be executed. You have to look for other ways to clean the build results.
04:46<anderbubble>I am a systems administrator with rpm experience, but no deb experience. I'm running Debian 6 on a personal system. What can I do to help get Gnome 3.2 packaged in unstable?
04:47<linuxlainen>I'm trying to compile/install xbmc
04:47<devil>linuxlainen: maybe the author does not provide a 'clean' target
04:47<linuxlainen>by following these steps:
04:47<linuxlainen>$ sudo apt-get install git
04:47<linuxlainen>$ cd $HOME
04:47<linuxlainen>$ git clone git://
04:47<linuxlainen>In order to update the source code (and clean old make files):
04:47<linuxlainen>$ cd $HOME/xbmc
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04:48<babilen>anderbubble: Hmm, I would recommend to learn about Debian and its packaging system first. Read the NMG (/msg dpkg nmg) and the documents referenced on -- Once you are comfortable you can ask the gnome team how you can assist them. + #debian-gnome
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04:48<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <>.
04:48<anderbubble>(For clarity, I *use* debs, but I've never built them.)
04:48<linuxlainen>oops, sorry didn't know about that rule
04:49<linuxlainen>first time on irc :(
04:49<anderbubble>babilen, Thanks for the links.
04:49<weasel>linuxlainen: then learn to read too.
04:49<weasel>linuxlainen: your question had been answered long before you started pasting stuff
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04:49<weasel>three times even, if I counted correctly.
04:49<DX`>lindenle, the xbmc source doesnt have "clean". There is an easier way to install XBMC on debian tho, there is a pre-built package in debian multimedia :
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04:50<linuxlainen>sorry, I missed that msg
04:51<linuxlainen>indeed there is a pre-built package
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04:51<linuxlainen>but I wish to learn how to compile mine
04:51<linuxlainen>the instructions I pasted (sorry for that) where from xbmc wiki
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04:52<weasel>probably they are wrong.
04:52<linuxlainen>for compiling xbmc on linux
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04:52<weasel>just skip the make clean if you just cloned the source
04:52<linuxlainen>I guess they are outdated then
04:53<DX`>make sure you read readme.ubuntu first, it contains all the depdencies that need to be installed for the compile
04:53<linuxlainen>thanks a lot weasel, I'll follow your advise and skip that part
04:53<DX`>even then, there will be a few missing, the "./configure" step will fail and tell you whats missing
04:53<linuxlainen>yep, I got these dependencies already
04:53<weasel>DX`: eeeeeeeeeeek
04:53<weasel>DX`: that page contains horrible advice
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04:54<DX`>weasel, whats wrong with it ?
04:54<weasel>it tells people to muck with symlinks in /usr/lib
04:54<DX`>i ignore that part, it only happends on ubunut :)
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04:54<weasel>it still means that page is Horrible.
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05:05<linuxlainen>hmm it seems that I am still missing some libraries even though the needed repositories is installed :(
05:05<linuxlainen>is there a way to list all libraries added to system from command line?
05:05<linuxlainen>I'm running ubuntu 11.04 minimal
05:06<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
05:06<linuxlainen>thank you!
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05:09<linuxlainen>but, isn't that a standard linux command?
05:14<gruetzkopf>try dpkg --get-selections | grep lib | less
05:15<gruetzkopf>change grep's parameter if you want to search for something specific in the list of installed packages
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05:20<linuxlainen>not working for me; I get command not found when I replaced grep with python-support
05:21<Zaba>do you know what grep is?
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05:24<linuxlainen>nop :P
05:24<linuxlainen>but I'm willing to learn
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05:25<DX`>linuxlainen, a good way to learn, when you come accross a command do "man command"
05:25<DX`>so: man grep
05:25<DX`>will bring up instructions on how to use it
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05:33<linuxlainen>thank you DX
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05:34<linuxlainen>I guess it is working for me now
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05:34<linuxlainen>just to make sure I understand this correctly, what I did is Ö
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05:34<linuxlainen>run this command
05:34<linuxlainen>dpkg --get-selections | grep cmake | less
05:34<dpkg>linuxlainen: wish i knew
05:35<DX`>if your looking for cmake
05:35<linuxlainen>which gave: cmake install
05:35<DX`>just install it
05:35<DX`>apt-get install cmake
05:35<linuxlainen>cmake-data install
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05:36<linuxlainen>I did that already before
05:36<linuxlainen>I don't understand why it gives install as "status"
05:36<linuxlainen>or does that mean that it is already installed?
05:37<DX`>pretty much
05:38<linuxlainen>can I use " " for libraries with spaces/special characters in their names
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05:38<DX`>libraries wont have special charecters in their names
05:38<linuxlainen>for example debhelper (>= 7.0.50~)
05:38<DX`>thats the version number at the end
05:38<DX`>just saying you need version 7.0.50 or higher
05:38<linuxlainen>thank you
05:38<linuxlainen>now I can check them all
05:39<daemonkeeper>That's not appropriate though.
05:39<daemonkeeper>It may not matter for you, but >= 7.0.50 is not the same as >= 7.0.50~
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05:40<DX`>daemonkeeper, what does the ~ mean?
05:41<daemonkeeper>It means, the dependency can satisfied by a minor version less than 7.0.50~ e.g. a backport package like 7.0.50~whatever1
05:42<DX`>cheers for that.. didnt know that :)
05:42<daemonkeeper> For the complicated details
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05:43<daemonkeeper>Also, compare outputs of dpkg --compare-versions "1.0~0" "<" "1.0" && echo "True" and dpkg --compare-versions "1.0" "<" "1.0~0" && echo "True"
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05:53<sml>hi all. a question regarding broken dependenices. when i do apt-get check, no errors are returned. if i run aptitude in interactive mode, it says '15 broken'
05:53<sml>so, which is correct?
05:53<sml>I've only ever used apt-get but I've never had any messages about broken dependenices so I'm wondering why I do when running aptitude
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05:54<AgentC>Is there a way to reset a forgotten root-password ?
05:55<sml>AgentC: yes.
05:55<sml>AgentC: you need to boot into single user mode and drop into a root shell and reset the password
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05:56<AgentC>sml: ok, so for example the rescue console of the netinstall cdrom ?
05:56<AgentC>sml: and then simple passwd ?
05:56<daemonkeeper>sml: On Debian, the single user mode still prompts for a password.
05:56<daemonkeeper>AgentC: Reboot, in the grub prompt hit e, add init=/bin/bash, wait, set a new password, reboot.
05:56<sml>AgentC: anything that gives you a root shell. so if you're using grub then what daemonkeeper said. tho you prolly can do teh same thing via the rescue cd
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05:57<sml>daemonkeeper: i thinl when i did that i also had to put runlevel 1 in there too
05:57<sml>daemonkeeper: though with older versions of debian i never had to do that
05:57<daemonkeeper>Doesn't matter. Possibly you need to remount the root file system rw, but that's about it.
05:57<sml>daemonkeeper: ah yes. you DO need to do that too
05:58<daemonkeeper>So, do "mount -o remount,rw /" before "passwd"
05:58<sml>daemonkeeper: don't suppose you can help me with my lil' prob?
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06:00<daemonkeeper>I don't use aptitude, so no.
06:00<sml>daemonkeeper: me neither. thought i'd start playing with it. is there a way of showing broken deps in apt-get?
06:01<sml>i know there's an apt-get -f and and apt-get check
06:02<daemonkeeper>That's pretty much about it. A Debian system does not really like broken dependencies. Whatsoever you are doing, as soon as you do apt-get whatever you are more or less forced to resolve any conflict.
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06:03<sml>daemonkeeper: this is why I can't understand why apt-get isn't complaining. aptitude just shows 15 broken packages when i try and use it btu apt-get seems OK.. weird
06:03<daemonkeeper>broken in what sense?
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06:04<sml>daemonkeeper: well I'm not sure. that's what I'm trying to find out I guess. When I run aptitude in the top right it says #Broken: 15
06:04<sml>..Which worried me a little..
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06:05<daemonkeeper>Oh, you mean in the curses guy. I _never_ used that :>
06:06<daemonkeeper>I mean, I am aware it exists but that's about it.
06:06<AgentC>sml: would a netinstall CD rescueconsole also work when the target-hdd is an ubuntu system ?
06:06<sml>ah! yeah. i ran it because, to be honest, I did LOVE dselect. guilty pleasure. to my surprise when I ran it it said broken
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06:06<daemonkeeper>AgentC: Any Linux works.
06:07<sml>AgentC: you can boot from any live-cd and mount any filesystem supported by the kernel
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06:07<AgentC>thank you very much !
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06:07<daemonkeeper>But you don't need a Live CD ...
06:07<sml>AgentC: that's why i always have a knobbix cd in my pocket
06:08<sml>AgentC: daemonkeeper told you how to modify grub on boot to get # access
06:08<daemonkeeper>You could be already done by doing that :p
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06:09<erwiz>I'm sorry about this off-topic, but this is funny noise :-D echo "main(t){for(t=0;;++t)putchar( ((t|t>>12) >> (t>>19)) * (t/20) );}"|gcc -xc -lm -&&./a.out|aplay
06:09<madduck>a null-modem connection only really requires three pins, right? RX, TX and GND. The flow control pins are not _necessary_, eh?
06:10<daemonkeeper>erwiz: Yes, we do know about Youtube too.
06:10<gruetzkopf>but useful
06:10<gruetzkopf>its not that much work to solder the additional wires
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06:10<madduck>gruetzkopf: the motherboard I have simply does not give you more than the three!
06:10<sml>i think i had to make a null modem cable once to play with a Nokia IP330
06:11<madduck>(it is a debug header)
06:11<erwiz>daemonkeeper, played with it? what melodies did you find?
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06:11<gruetzkopf>it should work without
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06:11<madduck>the problem is that while I can send bytes, I cannot seem to get them to sync
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06:12<madduck>only garbage on both sides, even if I specify -L to getty, and use the same baud rates
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06:40<Guest12965>this is a test
06:41<Guest12965>nobody in??
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06:41<Guest12965>hi legnaleurc!!
06:41<Guest12965>starnge name..
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06:42<Guest12965>hi ahimza..
06:43<ahimza>how are u doing?
06:43<babilen>Guest12965: Do you have a Debian related question we can help you with? Please note that this is not a social/chat channel. There is #moocows and #debian-offtopic for that (among others)
06:43<gruetzkopf>Guest12091, this channel is about debian support, not about greeting every person that jpins
06:43<Guest12965>fine!and you??
06:43<Guest12965>it's a little boring here..
06:43<ahimza>ow im sorry, i was trying xchat for the first time
06:43<Guest12965>me too..
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06:43<babilen>Guest12965: If you would like to chat I would strongly recommend to join one of the off-topic channels I mentioned earlier
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06:44<ahimza>sure, srry for interrupting you ;-)
06:44<Guest12965>you don't interrupting me..
06:44<gruetzkopf>babilen: blame failbuntu to keep #debian as the default channel
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06:44<babilen>Have fun -- you can join #moocows with "/join #moocows"
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06:44<Guest12965>I told you it's a little boring here..
06:44<babilen>gruetzkopf: I do, every day ;)
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06:44<Guest12965>i don't have anything special to do..
06:44<babilen>Guest12965: Stop it
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06:45<Guest12965>Am I interrupting you??
06:45<gruetzkopf>you are talking offtopic
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06:46<gruetzkopf>thats considered unfriendly and a kickable offense
06:46<Guest12965>tell me a topic
06:46<weasel>the topic is debian (support).
06:46<gruetzkopf>Guest12091, go to #moocows by rightclicking on its name and then clicking "Join Channel"
06:46<weasel>if you don't have a question or are not helping anybody then you're wrong here.
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06:47<Guest12965>ok sorry
06:47<babilen>Guest12965: The topic of this channel is technical Debian support. Join #moocows if you want to chat or use a different network.
06:47<Guest12965>thank you babilen..
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06:58<feldmaus>Good afternoon, does somebody know a stable solution to get an sshfs auto mounted after user Login or when a user tries to access the sshfs directory. I got some good ideas from my Internet search(autfs + sshfs), but there are some problems in relation to supsending laptops?!
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07:26<EmleyMoor>Is there a good, easy hylafax frontend in Debian?
07:26<Bushmills>feldmaus: i've been trying for a while - especially the "stable" part in terms of reliable - and am using nfs over openvpn instead now
07:27*EmleyMoor is finding it an awful bind to use sendfax all the time
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07:37<sml>sorry if this is repeated not sure if it made it to the channel as i lagged out..
07:37<sml>I'll try ya all again. Any reason anyone can think of why apt-get doesn't think there are broken deps but aptitude search ~b , does?
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07:38<babilen>sml: What is "aptitude -f install" proposing? (Do *not* install these yet if you don't want to) Does "aptitude keep-all" cure it?
07:39<sml>babilen: gosh. comes up with loads of output. can i use
07:39<sml>apt-get install -f doesn't come up with loads of stuff. im just worried why the two don;t concur.. and which one is correct
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07:44<babilen>sml: Sure paste it -- But it is your decision in the end. "aptitude keep-all" will cancel all pending actions
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07:46<sml>babilen: now i removed abiword, and i removed openoffice to replace it with libreoffice so i dont get why aptitude is banging on about stuff i've already purged?
07:46<sml>and apt-get is certainly happy about the whole thing. so ? what's going on? just doesn't make any sense to me
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07:47<babilen>sml: Just a couple of unsatisfied recommends -- I would "aptitude keep-all" and keep on working.
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07:48<sml>babilen: oh is that all it means? LOL
07:48<sml>oops sorry s/LOL/heh
07:49<babilen>hehe :) -- You might also want to run "apt-get autoremove"
07:50<sml>babilen: I do use apt-get autoremove. and also apt-get dist-upgrade when deps change and its' required. I've been pretty fastidious with keeping my packages all neatly maintained that's why i was shocked when i saw aptitude showing these warnings
07:51<sml>isn;t today the day of the Squeeze point release?
07:52<sml>babilen: system looking good again now. think that's scared me off switching from apt to aptitude though..
07:53<sml>Ganneff: I regigiously pull from so I guess there'll only be some minor updates for me then
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07:53<sml>in fact.. it shows none.
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07:54<daemonkeeper>sml: Depending on your source.list: none.
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07:54<feldmaus>Bushmills: so sshfs over openvpn should also work. I dont like nfs.
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07:55<sml>babilen: one question about these recommended deps. abiword recommends blah.. i dont even have abiword installed. openoffice recommends blah.. I also don't have openoffice installed so why is it getting its knickers in a twist?
07:55<sml>daemonkeeper: Not even /etc/debian_version ?
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07:55<feldmaus>Bushmills: But you may be right that openvpn+nfs is as secure as ssh.
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07:56<OpenTokix>feldmaus: if you use sshfs, why bother with openvpn?
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07:57<sml>though doesn't sshfs use sftp?
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07:58<feldmaus>OpenTokix: i just search for the perfekt stable solution
07:58<sml>feldmaus: what is it your trying to do?
07:59<OpenTokix>feldmaus: I have had great success with nfs over openvpn, however it is not hte fastest solution. - maybe a pptp + nfs or other network filesystem. - I personaly dont like the fuse-stuff
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08:00<feldmaus>sml: I want to mount my directory on my server. But i found some problems with suspend and auto mount of remote directories.
08:01<feldmaus>At the moment i try to get brainstorming
08:02<OpenTokix>feldmaus: check out pptp also
08:02<Bushmills>feldmaus: yes, it will. using it that waymay be benficial with unreliable lines
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08:02<Bushmills>i.e. dropping out, reconnecting
08:03<steinex>someone can tell me how to disable sched debugging? this "CPU attaching sched0 domain" in dmesg stuff.
08:04<Bushmills>though the automounting part i find much easier to do with nfs
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08:07<sml>feldmaus: openvpn UDP based I believe..
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08:08<OpenTokix>sml: correct
08:08<sml>feldmaus: I take it your server is remote?
08:08<sml>feldmaus: certainly if you have an unreliable connection OpenVPN will be better
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08:13<feldmaus>sml: so OpenVPN is better in relation to Laptops with suspend?
08:13<ompaul>openvpn can do TCP or UDP
08:13<sml>feldmaus: certainly so. I use openvpn as a service to connect to work and i can suspend, go do stuff, come back, fire it up again, still works ok
08:14<sml>feldmaus: ssh would just die. though if you were quick enough it may not have timed out
08:14<feldmaus>sml: and you use nfs in comination with openvpn?
08:15<sml>sml: I've never used that combo. I have used sftp though. I can't say I'm a fan of it but it has it's uses
08:15<steinex>anyone here running liquorix-kernel with squeeze?
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08:16<feldmaus>sml: Can OpenVPN access my Gnome-Keyring?
08:17<sml>feldmaus: I'm not sure what you mean but that. I'm not familiar with Gnome-Keyring. OpenVPN uses SSL.
08:18<ompaul>feldmaus: openvpn sits closer to the metal than any desktop
08:18<feldmaus>sml: I mean, ask OpenVPN you for a password or do it uses a KEY-File?
08:18<sml>feldmaus: I very much doubt it though. You specify the Certs and CAs in the openvpn.conf.
08:18<ompaul>feldmaus: it has it's own keys
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08:19<sml>feldmaus: just generate your keys using openssl or such like and you're off.
08:19<feldmaus>Key-Files can be read physically when you have access to the disk
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08:23<sml>err, i just ran apt-get moo for the first time. that's hilarious
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08:24<Bushmills>sml: openvpn uses udp or tcp tunnel, configurable
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08:25<Bushmills>oh, as ompaul already said
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08:25<ompaul>Bushmills: I don't have openvpn on highlight, I just smell it!
08:26<Bushmills>been away a bit, chopping walnuts, and missed the ongoing thread
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08:43<sml>lots of stuff on the web about it being bad to chop and change between using apt-get and aptitude. is this still the case or do they play ball now?
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09:07<sivakumar>hi all
09:08<sivakumar>anybody here have idea about xenomai
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09:09<sml>I'm referring to the lenny->squeeze release notes where it states it's considered bad practice to use the two interchangeably
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09:09<babilen>sml: That was true once but is not anymore. (for squeeze+ systems)
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09:11<sml>babilen: ah ok. that's good then. just been reading up on that dep issue you helped me with earlier. lots of possibly bad advice on teh net that state once you do the keep-all you can't switch back to apt. And apt is my main tool of choice, I just wanted to have a play with aptitude for a bit to see how we get on.
09:12<babilen>sml: You can switch between apt-get and aptitude without any problems whatsoever nowadays as they use the same library (i.e. libapt)
09:13<sml>I thought they always did use libapt but that they also didn't share the same meta data files
09:13<sml>from what I've read. Could be wrong.
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09:14<plugwash>They did always use libapt, the issues in the past with mixing them have been to do with tracking of unused dependencies.
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09:15<babilen>sml: The main problem was that the handling of automatically installed dependencies was different.
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09:16<sml>babilen: so looking at my particular example.. any idea why the two had different ideas of whether dependencies were being met? Just trying to understand.
09:16<plugwash>A long time ago (In the sarge era IIRC) only aptitude tracked automatically installed packages and worse the tracking code was buggy and prone to breakage if any other tool was used to install/remove packages. Unfortunately this bug was not pinned down and fixed for a long time (afaict largely because many people were under the impression it was by desing)
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09:17<sml>babilen: by example I mean the paste from earlier.
09:17<sml>plugwash: thansk
09:17<plugwash>The bug was fixed later (lenny era I belive) and later still tracking of automatically installed packages was moved to libapt
09:18<plugwash>(squeeze era I belive)
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09:18<plugwash>sorry I think it's actually etch and lenny not lenny and squeeze
09:18<plugwash>my memory of timings is a bit hazy
09:19<plugwash>Apt and aptitude still use different code for solving dependencies. The code apt uses is simple and predictable but often fails to find a soloution for "messy" cases. The aptitude code is much more likely to find a soloutions but it is also much slower and prone to coming up with stupid soloutions.
09:20<sml>plugwash: I had an issue earlier today where apt-get wasn't complaining about my system but aptitude was complaining about broken deps. It was the first time I'd even tried aptitude, but I was a bit concerned that the two were not singing from the same dependency hymn sheet (metaphorically speaking)
09:20<plugwash>hmm, do you have a link?
09:21<sml>plugwash: sounds like a situation where one might want to choose the right apt tool for the job depending on what they're trying to do. Where interchangability would be a huge plus. Yeah, link is at
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09:22<sml>plugwash: sorry I set it to expire after an hour. Have reuploaded to
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09:26<plugwash>Afaict that is just the way aptitude presents stuff
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09:27<plugwash>it starts by presenting a naieve soloution that may well be broken then if it is broken it goes looking for an unbroken soloution
09:27<plugwash>and presents the compromises it had to make to get to that unbroken soloution
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09:27<eeemsi___>hi there
09:28<sml>plugwash: what was it trying to tell me from that output?
09:28<eeemsi___>does someone else have a problem while trying to use xbattbar?
09:28<plugwash>can you tell me what command you input to cause that output?
09:29<sml>plugwash: aptitude -f install
09:29<eeemsi___>i am using xbattbar version 1.4.2 and call it via xbattbar -c -a -i -t 2. all i get is "xbattbar: can't allocate color resources"
09:29<plugwash>and why were you using that command?
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09:31<sml>plugwash: to find out why aptitude was complaining. I ran aptitude with no arguments to enter interactive mode and have a look. Not intending to make any changes, just a look about. Anyway at the top it said #Broken : 15. This worried me a little since I didn't expect ANYTHING to be broken. Certainly apt-get had never complained before
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09:32<eeemsi___>for being more exact it is a fresh debian testing install.
09:33<plugwash>dunno then, maybe aptitude is more strict about checking some things than apt is
09:33<plugwash>remember they do use different code for solving dependencies etc
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09:34<sml>plugwash: I had removed abiword and openoffice some time ago via apt-get purge. So I don't know why they even get a mention. But it looked like aptitude was wanting to make some pretty major changes, which to me didn't seem necessary
09:35<sml>plugwash: well I've done aptitude keep-all and it's all happy now. But I was just trying to get my head around what cause the discrepency. SO I can make sure it doesn't happen again. There seems to be a lot of false or out of date info on the net concerning the differences between the tools so I thought I'd ask here
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09:36<plugwash>one thing about aptitude is that it likes to remove dependencies it thinks are unused as soon as you tell it to do anything
09:36<plugwash>unlike apt-get which requires you to do an explicit apt-get autoremove to do that
09:36<sml>plugwash: when I removed abiwrod do you think it wanted to then remove the whole of GNOME, in that case?
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09:37<plugwash>Quite possiblly a case of what I call the "metapackage up-down problem"
09:37<Black_Prince>hmm, looks like udisks isn't friendly with backported kernel.
09:37<sml>plugwash: Maybe I just got unlucky then.
09:37<plugwash>You remove a package that a metapackage depends on and thereby force the removal of the metapackage.
09:38<plugwash>but then the package management system thinks that everything that was pulled in when the metapacakge was installed is unused
09:38<syntaxx>is it possible to preserve LVM during preseed?
09:39<sml>plugwash: could be what happened then
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09:48<maxh>I unfortunatley deleted my postgres-9.0 packages before upgrading the cluster to 9.1. Can anyone tell me where i find an old snapshot server for Debian unstable? The old address I used does not seem to work anymore (
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09:52<maxh>never mind. I just saw that the package is still in my repo.
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09:55<gruetzkopf>oh... tz database was sued
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09:57<plugwash>gruetzkopf, yeah the general concensus seems to be that the lawsuit is frivolous but nothing is certain with the legal system
09:57<gruetzkopf>at least not in the US
09:58<babilen>gruetzkopf: <>
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09:59<gruetzkopf>astrolab seems to be a us company
09:59<babilen>gruetzkopf: Ok, it might not be evident what to do with it :) Try<>
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10:02<ompaul>now you can see the stupidity of one US law which allows you copyright a specific database
10:02<ompaul>anyway can we take this to #debian-offtopic and I'll rant on it there ;-)
10:03*babilen likes to see ompaul to go on the rantpage!
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11:11<Perkol>Hi. I cant launch gxneur. When i launching it there no window or tray icon. Someone have similar problem?
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11:50<purplefool>yesterday my computer stopped booting. it gave a couple of strange beeps and ubunut didn't boot anymore. after extensive attempts with hardware, i think that something is wrong with the boot process. can anyone help me diagnose the problem?
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11:50<sney>!ubuntuirc purplefool
11:50<dpkg>purplefool: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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11:51<purplefool>thx for the info
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12:04<nicolas>ya des français ici???
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12:05<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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12:06<mallards>when installing debian squeeze, what would be the size partman would need to create a partition exactly 20 GB?
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12:06<mallards>if you use 20.0 GB the partition ends up being 18.7 or something around there
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12:11<ompaul>mallards: that is dependent on your block size and the length of string in your pocket at the time (a little over 20G)
12:11<ompaul>mallards: so there is no strict answer
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12:23<jhutchins_lt>Perhaps he is seeing the 5% reserve?
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12:26<ompaul>jhutchins_lt: 1.4*4 = 5.6 could be
12:26<ompaul>or better
12:26<ompaul>1.3*4 = 5.2
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12:27<ompaul>mallards: when you initialised the disk the machine said "reserve 5%" that space is to allow root access to the box if the machine ran out of space
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12:27<ompaul>mallards: jhutchins_lt suggests and I'd tend to agree it is that reserved space
12:28<ompaul>now we use gigs it might be a good idea to turn that down to 1
12:28<valdyn>depends on your file size
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12:28<valdyn>or how you value fragmentation
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12:29<ompaul>valdyn: it's close enough to be the 5% frags would be showing as used space and I'd guess the question would be a lot more complex
12:30<ompaul>but this is only conjecture
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12:30<valdyn>yea, I mean lowering the default 5% will probably encourage worse fragmentation, other than that im all for lowering the default reserved %
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12:32<ompaul>valdyn: this assuming a used disk, as opposed to a platter set up
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12:32<hamza>hi anyone using xubuntu?
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12:32<valdyn>hamza: polls are offtopic aswell as xubuntu
12:32<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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12:33<ompaul>should have said ... yes, but they are elsewhere
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12:36<Vizza>Boa tarde
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12:36<Vizza>alguem pode me ajudar ?
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12:36<Vizza>queria fazer um server para xchat
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12:37<Vizza>alguem sabe me explciar ?
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12:37<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:37<daemonkeeper>too late.
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12:38<tensorpudding>it was portuguese anyway
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13:17<tensorpudding>does not work for squeeze or something
13:17<tensorpudding>okay, discontinued
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13:30<OpenTokix>Anyone know how the volume osd works in gnome? - The fade out is _extremly_ slow and xorg uses 100% during the fadeout. Very annoying, any ideas?
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13:32<bim_ir_>guys, hi!
13:32<bim_ir_>what's wrong? I'm typing `ifconfig' to see my ip address and...
13:33<bim_ir_>bash: ifconfig: command not found
13:33<gruetzkopf>le use root
13:33<bim_ir_>su -c '...' ?
13:33<towo`>or /sbin/ifconfig as user
13:33<bim_ir_>oh yeah, it works
13:34<bim_ir_>strange... I have been able to do it w/o superuser before
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13:34<bim_ir_>towo`: what to alter and where to be able to do it again? w/o /sbin/... ?
13:35<towo`>bim_ir_, add /sbin to your PATH
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13:35<bim_ir_>$PATH at system startup
13:35<bim_ir_>i.e. automatically
13:35<bim_ir_>at every launch
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13:35<bim_ir_>towo`: for each user????
13:36<bim_ir_>I was definitely been able to `ifconfig' as normal user
13:36<bim_ir_>okay, I decided to just ln -s
13:36<bim_ir_>to /usr/bin
13:37<weasel>you could have fixed your path
13:37<weasel>or made an alias
13:37<weasel>or just move with the time and start using 'ip'.
13:37<bim_ir_>weasel: it worked before, I dunno what changed and why
13:38<bim_ir_>yes, *why* is the main question
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13:39<Zaba>stopping using ifconfig would be the easiest solution :P
13:40<bim_ir_>Zaba: any other thing you know?
13:40<bim_ir_>I'm on ipv4, not on ipv6
13:40<Zaba>ip is the modern way of doing things
13:40<bim_ir_>my provider will reach ipv6 say in 12999
13:40<Zaba>this has nothing to do with ipv6
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13:40<bim_ir_>ip command?
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13:41<bim_ir_>Usage: ip [ OPTIONS ] OBJECT { COMMAND | help } ... lot of lines
13:41<weasel>ip a
13:41<bim_ir_>how to easily get my ip address
13:41<weasel>(short for ip addr show)
13:41<bim_ir_>weasel: wow, `ip a' works
13:41<bim_ir_>but what's wrong with ifconfig? hmm?
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13:41<weasel>can't handle more than one address on an interface for one
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13:42<bim_ir_>ip a shows loopback before eth0
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13:42<weasel>you could add 'dev eth0' if that's the only interface you care about
13:42<Zaba>'ip a s eth0'
13:42<bim_ir_>heh, cool
13:43<bim_ir_>thank you guys
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13:43<ToBeFree>can someone give me the repos for debian stable 6.0.2 ?
13:44<bim_ir_>ToBeFree: deb stable main
13:45<weasel>there is no such repository
13:45<weasel>stable is at r3 now.
13:45<bim_ir_>weasel: ah, I just s/un// # :)
13:45<bim_ir_>but testing and unstable works this way
13:46<bim_ir_>deb testing main contrib # << maybe so?
13:46<weasel>there was nothing wrong with the line you pasted, but it was for 6.0.3
13:46<bim_ir_>then I dunno, sorry
13:46<weasel>6.0.2 is no more.
13:47<ToBeFree>i`m kinda noob
13:47<ToBeFree>can u be that kind to gimme just the lines i need in sources.list ?
13:47<ToBeFree>i messed up completly the sources
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13:50<ToBeFree>weasel, ? please ?
13:51<boba>ToBeFree: the first answer you got should do it
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13:52<ToBeFree>should be like 4 lines i think
13:52<ToBeFree>my sources.list it`s empty now
13:53<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb squeeze main" and "deb squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
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13:59<dpkg>Debian mirror sites are listed at and and ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on
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14:00<ToBeFree>i just dont get it
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14:14<alkap>when i updated these files today,, i got these errors,; i'd appreciate some tips on how to fix the errors i got;
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14:15<ToBeFree>alkap, try sudo dpkg --configure -a
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14:16<alkap>< ToBeFree> will do; thanks;
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14:16<ToBeFree>with all respect .. debian support channel sucks badly
14:17<boba>nobody is forcing you to stay here.
14:17<uniquerockrz>hi guys
14:18<uniquerockrz>ok what better i will find in switching over to debian from ubuntu
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14:19<ToBeFree>boba, ppl are joining this channel for HELP
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14:20<ToBeFree>i know many .. like me .. ask stupid/retarded questions
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14:21<uniquerockrz>ToBeFree what help do u want?
14:22<ToBeFree>i need sources.list for debian stable
14:22<ToBeFree>i bet that someone in here is using debian stable and could do in pm .. in order not to flood the channel /exec -o cat /etc/apt/sources.list
14:22<ToBeFree>it`s that easy
14:23<alkap>< ToBeFree> i've tried sudo dpkg --configure -a; it didn't seem to fix the original errors reported,; is there anything else i could try and do please?
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14:24<ToBeFree>alkap, u may wanna check again the link
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14:28<lamah>i have "The following packages have unmet dependencies:"
14:28<lamah>on libreoffice only, i can't install it?
14:28<alkap>those links must expire instantly, do they? here's a new one
14:28<lamah>aptitude and apt-get can't help
14:29<lamah>are some specialist, online?
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14:31<themill>dpkg: tell lamah about bat
14:31<themill>lamah: more details in a pastebin are necessary before anyone can give you any help
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14:35<lamah>themill: ok
14:35<alkap>i got these errors when upgrading gdm3 and openssh-server today,; can anyone suggest how to troubleshoot them please.
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14:36<lamah>dpkg: tell lamah about umet
14:38<lamah>themill: did you see the link
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14:44<bim_ir_>may I ask a question about X11? can't start HAL daemon on some machine
14:44<bim_ir_>or is it an off-topic here?
14:45<themill>lamah: what command gave that output? what release of debian are you using? what's the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libreoffice libreoffice-java-common" that dpkg asked for?
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14:47<lamah>themill: apt-get -y -t squeeze-backports install 6.0.2 policy gives 1:3.4.3-3~bpo60+1 0 Installed: (none) 100 squeeze-backports/main amd64 Packages
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14:48<themill>lamah: did you remove all openoffice packages prior to trying to install libreoffice?
14:49<themill>("aptitude remove ~nopenoffice" will do that for you; then "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install libreoffice")
14:49<lamah>themill: yes 100%
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14:50<lamah>yes i know
14:50<lamah>but i got that error on pastebin address
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14:52<themill>can you pastebin the output of those two commands?
14:52<lamah>of course
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14:57<themill>lamah: what do you have in your sources.list?
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15:02<lamah>themill: main contrib non-free this is are my parameters i have squeeze-updates squeeze/updates for security squeeze-backports deb squeeze-backports iceweasel-release and debian-multimedia i can't paste this to url... excuse
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15:03<hildebrandus>Need help. I have debian squeeze installed. For some reason, all disk gets occupied. I find on seeing sizes that /var/lib is eating up all the space. What should I do to clean up space and get my system back?
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15:06<hildebrandus>the directory /var/lib/mlocate is the full directory
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15:07<alkap>anyone had trouble upgrading gdm3 and openssh-server on debian squeeze lately?
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15:15<hildebrandus>I deleted the huge files and system is ok now. logging off. problem self solved.
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15:18<zx>Hi everyone. New friend here. I want to switch from Windows 7 x64bit to Debian Wheezy x64 bit. Where is the .iso download page for the Wheezy installer? I can't find it anywhere.
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15:21<Bushmills>what's wrong with squeeze?
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15:22<zx>Hmm, nothing? I just can't find the .iso download link from the debian page. Care to show me where it is?
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15:23<Bushmills>the suggested path to wheezy is through squeeze.
15:23<my_dreams>hi all
15:23<Myon>and pick stable (= squeeze0
15:23<babilen>zx: I think Bushmills was rather asking why you do not want to use the stable release. And you typically install stable and switch to testing from there.
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15:23<zx>the stable version is too bloated and contains ancient packages.
15:24<Bushmills>isqueeze installer is well tested. as most critical part of installation, you don't to end up with a testing and failing installer
15:24<babilen>zx: I would also recommend to use stable as testing in a bit of an "interesting" (i.e. broken) state right now.
15:24<babilen>zx: How is it bloated?
15:24<zx>contains un-necessary packages.
15:24<babilen>zx: How so?
15:25<zx>source: debian live cd
15:25<Myon>if you like, tell the installer to install a minimal system
15:25<zx>it still will fetch ancient and old packages.
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15:25<Bushmills>the *installer* bloated?
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15:25<babilen>zx: You can install whatever you like - The live CDs contain a reasonable selection of packages for the different types of live CDs.
15:25<Bushmills>or the system you're installing, by picking packages?
15:26<strikerXT>have you tried
15:26<Bushmills>just select fewer packages
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15:27<babilen>zx: Anyway, install squeeze and take it from there. You can install a minimal system with it. There are also many different ways to selectively upgrade packages to a newer version in stable. (/msg dpkg overview) But it is your box ... Have fun and enjoy! :)
15:27<Bushmills>avoid installation of graphical desktop, for example. that's where the bloat is :)
15:27<zx>so you guys are suggesting I get debian stable and not wheezy instead?
15:27<babilen>strikerXT: The installer is really not well tested right now
15:27<babilen>zx: yes, that is the suggestion. I will not stop you from using testing though. It is just in an interesting phase and you *will* run into problems.
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15:29<zx>netinstall + openbox?
15:29<zx>would this contain much bloat?
15:30<zx>what else is a must?
15:30<jmho>lenny+ext4? according to what I read on the web, ext4 is not supporting in lenny, but on there is /sbin/mkfs.ext4 on this lenny system. does it mean, ext4 on lenny is possible?
15:30<Bushmills>iut has mouse support. some would call that bloat
15:30<babilen>zx: I would recommend to just install the standard task during the installation and take it from there. You can then make a very fine-grained package selection if you want that.
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15:32<Bushmills>minimal debian system consists of about 100 packages. there's no graphical user interface among those.
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15:32<babilen>zx: Which graphic adaptor does your computer use?
15:32<Bushmills>those are the packages you'd call "being a must"
15:33<Bushmills>GUI i purely optional
15:33<Bushmills>is, even.
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15:34<clasclin>hi, I want to know where to find `ktorrent' program cause `aptitude' doesn't show any client-torrent
15:34*cybersphinx doesn't see how testing would have less bloat than stable, since they offer the same install options.
15:34<cybersphinx>Well, maybe because some packages are uninstallable.
15:34<Bushmills>,versions ktorrent
15:34<judd>Package: ktorrent on i386 -- lenny: 3.1.4+dfsg.1-1; squeeze: 4.0.2-1; squeeze-backports: 4.1.1-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.1.1-2; sid: 4.1.2-1
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15:34<Bushmills>clasclin: fix your sources
15:35<clasclin>my source.list has " main contrib" is that correct?
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15:35<Aketzu>you're missing ditribution keyword
15:36<Bushmills>no, it isn't
15:36<JoeKickass>clasclin: does ''apt-get update'' succeed?
15:37<zx>babiel: it contains nvidia
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15:37<zx>i'm on an HP laptop.
15:37<clasclin>just fine as usual, and I'm on amd64
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15:37<Bushmills>running stable, testing or unstable?
15:38<Numbskull>Evening all
15:38<clasclin>stable squeeze
15:38<Bushmills>where do you say so in your sources.list?
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15:39<Numbskull>can somebody point me in the direction where I can get involved with translating parts of Debian?
15:40<clasclin>so I have the /etc/apt/source.list >> deb squeeze-updates main contrib
15:41<clasclin>and the security.debian too
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15:42<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb squeeze main" and "deb squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
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15:42<Bushmills>there are examples in man sources.list
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15:44<courtney>thank you that helped
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15:46<babilen>zx: The proprietary nvidia driver is not really working right now in testing/unstable unless you patch the X server yourself, so you would have to use nouveau for now. I would recommend to use stable for the time being. You can use backports if you need newer versions of selected packages though. (/msg dpkg overview)
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15:51<jmho>e2fsprogs in lenny seem to have full ext4 support. can I create (only create, nothing more) a ext4 fs on a lenny system with default lenny kernel? it is not possible to upgrade the kernel
15:52<towo`>the lenny-kernel does not have ext4-support
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15:53<jmho>is kernel support needed to create the fs? this is not done in userspace? (I have no clue)
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15:53<crockeo>Hey guise.
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15:56<clasclin>ok Bushmills thanks for the help. Now I' ve got all the updates avaible. That was my mistake!
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16:52<bim_ir>gparted question: how to make my partition to fill the free space?
16:52<bim_ir>you know, #gparted @ is empty channel
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16:53<bim_ir>what I do have: hdd8: 19.62 GiB; unallocated 54.90 Gib
16:53<bim_ir>I want hdd8 to merge with that unallocated space
16:53<bim_ir>hdd8 format is hfs+
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16:57<kenyon>bim_ir: if it doesn't give you the option to resize the partition, then maybe parted doesn't have the ability to resize that filesystem type? just a guess
16:57<kenyon>not all filesystems can be resized
16:58<bim_ir>kenyon: it can only be shrunk, not grown, that's sad
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16:58<bim_ir>i.e. it can be resized, but only one-way
16:58<bim_ir>is it okay, or is it just my own glitch?
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17:32<Pepper>Anyone getting "swapper: Page allocation failure, order: 0" with new squeeze kernel too?
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17:32<Pepper>mine is a xen-amd64 one.
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17:44*walkwithlogic loves debian
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17:47<Planet8>I have just upgraded a squeeze installation and suddenly I get "The GRUB loader was previously installed to a disk that is no longer present, or whose unique identifier has changed for some reason."
17:47<Planet8>Nothing has changed physically.
17:47<Planet8>I REALLY hate both grub and udev.
17:48<Planet8>The system is running software RAID1 and it wasn't setup by me so I don't know exactly where to install grub.
17:48<steinex>that looks bad indeed
17:48<Planet8>sda, sdb, md2, md1
17:48<Planet8>I have only ssh access to the machine.
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17:48<Planet8>If it can't boot I'm up for a LONG night.
17:49<steinex>don't boot, then :p
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17:50<Planet8>grub 1 was so much easier to deal with.
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17:53<walkwithlogic>Use Lilo?
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17:54<Black_Prince>Or syslinux.
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17:54<kenyon>run update-grub
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17:58<jhutchins_lt>Planet8: Sounds like you need to find the docs for using grub on raid1.
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17:59<ml|>Pepper: check BTS
17:59<Planet8><jhutchins_lt>, I have been using grub on raid1 for a long time, it's just that I didn't do the setup on this particular machine and it has been setup differently.
17:59<Planet8>I just need to locate where grub was installed.
18:00<Planet8>then I can re-install it and run update-grub
18:01<Pepper>ml| : did so, was only asking for "updaters" experiencing the same...
18:01<jhutchins_lt>Planet8: Read the first 512 characters from each disk?
18:02<Planet8>yes, just did that
18:03<Planet8>Looks like grub is installed on both sda and sdb. In fstab md1 is a boot partition.
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18:06<gabrielegualco>hi all
18:06<Planet8>What I would like to know is why this happened. I need to file a bug rapport. This shouldn't be happening during a normal dist-upgrade.
18:06<gabrielegualco>question: is debian testing repository a good one for a debian new installation?
18:07<Planet8><gabrielegualco>, it depends on what you're planning to use it for.
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18:07<gabrielegualco>libreoffice and all things debian testing as, like newr version of lot of debian applications
18:08<Black_Prince>dpkg, sns
18:08<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
18:08<Planet8>LOL, hadn't seen that before.
18:08<Planet8>What's ssb?
18:09<Black_Prince>There is also one for lol :)
18:09<Black_Prince>/msg dpkg ssb
18:10<ml|>gabrielegualco: you should use the stable installer, then move to testing if that is what you want to do
18:11<gabrielegualco>i have done it one time, and i found nice the results, but also this time i would like to make only very safe changings
18:12<gabrielegualco>i'm trying to make a pure installation
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18:16<Planet8>dpkg, ssb
18:16<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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18:29<binarymutant>does xutils-dev provide xorg-macros?
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18:33<sesshomaru>how do you fix the sound?
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18:34<ml|>binarymutant: use apt-file to find out
18:34<ml|>apt-file search -l xorg-macros xutils-dev on testing
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18:36<ml|>dpkg: tell sesshomaru -about ask
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18:41<binarymutant>ah, I needed to run alocal first to find xorg-utils
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18:44<scisteffan>hi, any advice on how to set up the built in mic on a Macbook Pro?
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18:48<toine>I have a few years of experience with Ubuntu, but while trying to install a Debian Squeeze now, I get stuck during the install.
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18:50<toine>I have no idea how this works, and I don't want to sound impolite at all :)
18:51<toine>May I ask some help, if there's anyone here?!
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18:51<Knorrie>yes, just try to tell what step you're at, what you're doing, and where you get stuc
18:51<Knorrie>if you do not do that, don't expect an answer, because there's no question then to answer :)
18:52<toine>sure, sure :)
18:52<toine>ok, so installing from a usb stick, everything all right, partitioning ok.
18:52<toine>get stuck during the installation
18:52<toine>because it says it cannot find the kernel package in the apt source
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18:53<Knorrie>what's the exact thing it says?
18:53<Knorrie>"I cannot find the kernel package in the apt source" ?
18:53<Knorrie>so it's in the part of the installation where you need to choose a kernel to install?
18:54<toine>ok, so it's in french, so I'm probably not gonna help writing the exact sentence, but yeay, basically, "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources."
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18:55<Knorrie>did you try to switch to the logging output with Ctrl-Alt-F4?
18:55<toine>oh, no sorry
18:55<toine>I just did ctrl alt f4 to try to install the kernel manually
18:55<matematiko>Hi... How to install a *.deb package that I downloaded to my home folder...thanks!!!
18:56<toine>@mathematiko :
18:56<toine>dpkg -i yourfile.deb
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18:56*dpkg removes a liver from toine and replaces it with yourfile.deb
18:57<Knorrie>matematiko: why would you need to install .deb files? do you need something that's not in the repository?
18:57<matematiko>knorrie: I want the latest version and the repository is 5 versions behind
18:58<Knorrie>a newer package likelky also has dependencies on newer things etc
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18:59<Knorrie>if it's a non-trivial package
18:59<matematiko>knorrie: Possible, but this particular small packages there more than likely bug fixes and few additions not to the point to affect dependencies
18:59<Knorrie>then you can try to dpkg -i it
19:00<steinex>matematiko: and you know about backports? (just in case..)
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19:00<ml|>what is the package?
19:00<Knorrie>but using a repository (or backports) is preferable
19:00<toine>@Knorrie, it says error: error wrile runningcd rom
19:00<toine>forget my last line...
19:00<toine>while running apt-cdrom*
19:01<Knorrie>toine: are you using a very recent installer (like burnt from an iso you just downloaded)?
19:02<matematiko>steinex: No, have no idea about back ports <---newbie
19:02<ml|>matematiko: what package is it?
19:02<toine>I used Unetbootin to put a .iso I downloaded with bittorrent (debian- )
19:03<matematiko>ml|: polyglot, it is a emulator/tyranslator that allows UCI Chess engines to be used in XBOARD
19:03<ml|>matematiko: also /msg dpkg bpo
19:03<ml|>judd: versions polyglot
19:04<judd>Package: polyglot on i386 -- lenny: 1.4-3; squeeze: 1.4.58b-1; sid: 1.4.66b-1; wheezy: 1.4.66b-1
19:04<matematiko>knorrie: Thanks for that link..let me check it up
19:04<ml|>matematiko: what version did you download?
19:05<matematiko>ml|: only one increment 1.4.67
19:05<matematiko>I will be happy with 1.66
19:07<matematiko>my software center reports 1.58 as the one available
19:07<matematiko>maybe need to add another repository
19:08<ml|>but you can try...
19:08<ml|>dpkg: ssb
19:08<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
19:08<Knorrie>debian is not ubuntu, where you have to add tons of untrusted repositories :)
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19:09<matematiko>ok...let me read what you just said...thanks
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19:15<Knorrie>toine: maybe the cd had a burning error? you can also try to just dd this iso onto an usb stick and boot it instead of cd 1: (the link from the upper right corner download box on
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19:16<Knorrie>toine: err, I need to go sleep, usb does not have a cd burn error
19:17<toine>Knorrie: thanks anyway !
19:17<Knorrie>toine: that could also be a hint... perhaps the installer expects a cdrom somewhere, while you're using usb, /me no clue at the moment
19:17<toine>but I redid this install while following the log, I'm installing from the USB stick, and I swear it says something about a cd rom
19:17<jhutchins_lt>At some point you reach the stage where you will spend more time tomorrow undoing the stuff you were too sleepy not to do wrong tonight.
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19:18<Knorrie>jhutchins_lt: exactly :)
19:18<Knorrie>have fun!
19:18<toine>just before you go: with the net install, same procedure, on a usb stick with unetbootin?
19:18<argel>saludos, si me haria en el favor de darme el canal en español
19:18<argel>le agradeceria mucho
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19:19<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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19:19<jhutchins_lt>It really annoys me when a contractor has a "work it 'till it's fixed" attitude and keeps me up all night watching him do stupider and stupider stuff.
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19:19<TheCrittaC>Hello, #debian. I've got a strange problem.
19:19<Knorrie>toine: # dd if=debian-*-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdX # where sdX is the device your USB media is using
19:19<TheCrittaC>I'm trying to mount a USB flash drive.
19:20<toine>oh, yep, sorry (beginner inside)
19:20<toine>:knorrie thanks for your time
19:20<TheCrittaC>When I try to mount it as a normal user, it gives me a generic "bad superblock" error.
19:20<TheCrittaC>However, when I mount it as root, it goes through fine.
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19:20<Knorrie>toine: np, like to help
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19:20<TheCrittaC>I'm pretty sure that I've given myself permissons to mount disks correctly.
19:20<babilen>toine: You are trying to install from a USB stick that you created with unetbootin and run into errors?
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19:21<jhutchins_lt>toine: Is it asking for the CD or the iSO?
19:22<toine>jhutchins_lt: I don't really understand your question :) who is asking for what ?
19:22<babilen>toine: unetbootin is known not to work well for Debian -- Just use the command Knorrie mentioned earlier or an easier variation like "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" (replace /dev/sdX with the actual block device of your USB stick, e.g. /dev/sdb)
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19:24<babilen>!tell toine -about usb install
19:24<toine>babilben : ok, I'll follow your advice
19:24<toine>It just I had done manysuccessful install with the same software, the same USB stick (but for Ubuntu distros), so I figured... let's use the same thing !
19:24<babilen>toine: Understandable, but unfortunately the wrong decision :)
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19:25<toine>babilbe: we learn from our mistakes indeed :=)
19:26<toine>(sorry I misspellt your name twice btw)
19:26<babilen>toine: You can use "bab<TAB>" for tab-completion of my name
19:27<toine>works indeed !
19:27<babilen>usb install or tab-completion?
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19:29<toine>babilen: tag-completion for now, we'll for the rest !
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19:41<toine>I probably made a syntax mistake, yet I can't understand why I get this message
19:41<toine>cat debian- > /dev/sdh
19:41<toine>bash: /dev/sdh: Permission denied
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19:48<toine>I can't figure out why I get the following error while trying to cat the iso (cf
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19:49<Black_Prince>toine, are you doing that as root?
19:49<babilen>toine: Do you run that command as root?
19:49<babilen>Black_Prince: heh
19:50<boba>(Also, protip: You can put your message on the same line as the line you're hilighting someone)
19:50<toine>Black_Prince: babilen: sorry, I thought a sudo (using Ubuntu was enough) Looks like I still have a lot to learn :)
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19:51<babilen>toine: The reason why a sudo (as in "sudo cat foo.iso > /dev/bar" is not enough is because that will execute the cat with root priviliges, but the I/O redirect (i.e. the > /dev/bar part) does not
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19:52<toine>babilen: You'll think I'm a bot saying "thanks" all the time.... but I take the risk ! Thanks for the tip, always good to know.
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20:18<debianisbest>I have not been able to find flashplayer-nonfree in the MIPS debian repository, does this mean that it cannot be compiled for mips either from the tarball ?
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20:18<debianisbest>moreover, would placing the library work if placed under /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ? (shouldn't that be architecture independent?)
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20:19<kenyon>debianisbest: flashplayer cannot be compiled for mips because it is not compilable. it is distributed as a binary.
20:19<debianisbest>kenyon: but is a binary as well ?
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20:20<kenyon>debianisbest: yes, that is a binary library
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20:22<debianisbest>kenyon: then why do you download the from macromedia without any specification about what architecture it is to be used on (it's the same file for i386, x64,etc. )?
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20:23<debianisbest>kenyon: I guess you are right... ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped
20:23<kenyon>debianisbest: right. my amd64 system says /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped
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20:24<debianisbest>kenyon: did you write that after reading my last line or was it just a weird synchronicity ?
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20:26<kenyon>debianisbest: I was doing it before you wrote your line, heh
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20:26<debianisbest>kenyon: damn it, isn't it just kind of spooky? :S
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20:27<kenyon>debianisbest: not really, file is a logical thing to use
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20:27<zeroone>hi everyone
20:27<debianisbest>kenyon: maybe. In any case, I think I'll have to settle for a flashless MIPS. Is there anything else relevant I won't be able to use under MIPS aside from flash?
20:28<sney>debianisbest: well, there's always gnash
20:28<kenyon>debianisbest: or swfdec
20:28<zeroone>I have a problem with grub update
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20:28<kenyon>debianisbest: I don't know what is relevant since I don't know what you're using this mips processor for.
20:29<debianisbest>kenyon: a little bit everything
20:29<debianisbest>kenyon: under mips will I be able to play flv files with mediaplayer ?
20:29<kenyon>nevermind about swfdec, apparently that's dead. try gnash.
20:30<kenyon>debianisbest: I don't know, I don't have a mips machine
20:30<sney>yeah, anything that can play flvs on other architectures should still be fine on MIPS so long as it doesn't have any non-free x86-only components.
20:30<zeroone>i have 2 hdd /dev/sda /dev/sdb and /dev/md0 /dev/md1 grub update wants to install to one of or to all tried sda and adb but it failed
20:30<sney>what is it, a SGI box?
20:30<sney>zeroone: any error messages?
20:30<debianisbest>sney: are you asking me?
20:30<sney>debianisbest: yeah
20:31<zeroone>it says only that it failed
20:31<zeroone>continue yes/no
20:31<debianisbest>sney: don't know what a SGI box is :S
20:31<zeroone>i choose no
20:31<sney>debianisbest: SGI aka Silicon Graphics is a computer company that made a lot of MIPS workstations in the 90s
20:31<zeroone>and back to blue screen where i can choose on wich drives i'd like to install
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20:32<debianisbest>sney: oh, no, it's a lemote processor
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20:32<sney>zeroone: is your md array the root device?
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20:32<zeroone>you mean /
20:33<sney>and is there a separate /boot?
20:33<zeroone>is on md1 boot on md0
20:33<zeroone>yes separate
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20:34<sney>zeroone: have you tried installing grub to the md array?
20:34<zeroone>not yet
20:34<sney>debianisbest: I had never heard of those lemote boxes, neat. I kind of want one now.
20:35<sney>zeroone: give it a shot
20:35<zeroone>on both?
20:35<kenyon>zeroone: if you just leave all the devices checked for grub installation, you won't hurt anything, that's what I do
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20:35<debianisbest>sney: google Richard Stallman's computer
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20:38<zeroone>sney: checked all, all failed
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20:39<zeroone>Auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/md0 failed
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20:39<toine>babilen: Server good to go ;) I installed with debian-, I guess it would have worked with the other ISO, and that unetbootin was the one responsible for the previous failure (and not the ISO itself). Anyway, whatever the reason, have a good day/night and thansk for tips.
20:40<zeroone>Well and this too is strange /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk
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20:42<babilen>toine: Splendid -- Enjoy your new box and may you have a nice night :)
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20:43<zeroone>grub-probe -d /dev/md0 no such disk
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20:53<zeroone>grub-mkdevicemap fixed problem
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21:31<eTag>yo...i need some help with my wireless...
21:32<eTag>any takers?
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21:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:56<eTag>having issues with my wireless. running deb ver 6 it says that my device is not managed
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21:57<eTag>i'm using an asus 1500hab
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21:57<eTag>if thats any help
21:57<lleroy>I'm having trouble getting hdparm to spindown my harddrives after the specified amount of minutes. As far as I can see they don't even try to spindown. It's not like they spin down, then spins up because of activity.. I know this because I tried to force them to spin down, then waited a day and checked, and they were still in standby. I'm running debian 6.0.2, and got 4 sata drives mounted
21:59<lleroy>any ideas would be greatly appreciated.. I've been trying to get it to work in weeks
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22:20<light>what's a good cryptographic program to monkey around with for newbish people? KGpg (front end for GnuPG)?
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22:25<kop>light: It depends on what you're trying to accomplish.
22:26<light>encrypting files on my hard disk with a block cipher
22:26<light>not e-mail
22:26<kop>lleroy: Are you writing logs? That would cause the drives to spin up. As frequently as every 5 minutes, depending.
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22:28<kop>light: You probably want the cryptsetup package. The easy thing to do is have an encrypted filesystem and put everything you want secured in there. (Or just encrypt everything.) You can get help here (and other debian places) or on the mailing list for dm-crypt.
22:29<rudi_s>light: If you use an encrypted file system you must be careful not to leak any unencrypted data (for example through swap or /tmp). It's best to encrypt the whole filesystem.
22:29<kop>light: Or, use openssl to encrypt. "man enc"
22:29<kop>light: But enrypting individual files is a pain, depending on your requirements.
22:29<rudi_s>gpg can encrypt/decrypt files, but normally it's not used as a "low level" tool to choose different block ciphers. Just use the defaults.
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22:33<eTag>i'm having issues with my wireless not working...the wired interface does work...but my wireless says the device is not managed...running debian 6 and using an asus 1500hab...anyone got any ideas?
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22:34<light>thank you very much kop and rudi_s
22:35<kop>light: (Nothing is "easy" when it comes to security.)
22:37<kop>eTag: Use lspci -nn to find the pciid. type "/msg judd pcii [xxxx:yyyy]" in your irc client. The bot will give you hints. You may need a newer kernel. See the <backports> factoid. Keep asking here.
22:38<eTag>ok..thanks kop
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23:01<eTag>alright i talked with judd...still no beans...
23:01<eTag>my athk is working but not for wireless
23:02<eTag>or was i suposed to restart? kop
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23:02<gsimmons>eTag: What PCI ID detail did you determine?
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23:03<eTag>or this? [168c:002b]
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23:04<ml|>judd: pciid 168c:002b
23:04<judd>[168c:002b] is 'AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath9k' in squeeze. See also
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23:05<eTag>yah read all that and looked at all the pages and then some...still no yah
23:05<eTag>now i;m back to here..
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23:33<kop>eTag: You might try a newer kernel from backports. Or maybe the problem is elsewhere.
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23:54<casa>hola a toodos
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23:54<i3ear>hey can I ask a question about programming or am I in the wrong chat?
23:54<i3ear>I am having trouble understand the most basic concepts of programming D:
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23:59<sney>i3ear: this is the wrong chat, but you should probably read sicp
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23:59<i3ear>whell I am reading a book, I just have some questions that I want to ask somebody who knows C++, could you recommend me a good chatroom for this? D:
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