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00:00<sney>i3ear: no idea, sorry. my expertise ends with systems admin
00:01<i3ear>awe poo, thank you though :)
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00:54<son4john>\list
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01:08<alazare619>im trying to figure out how to change grubs splash in squeeze but it has to be in a way that i can incorporate it into the distro im building using live-build
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01:31<ooga-booga>I just upgraded to Debian Wheezy with kernel 3.0 and was wondering how I can get the Broadcom drivers to work
01:32<alazare619>b43?
01:32<ooga-booga>ya
01:32<alazare619>have you tried purging b43'
01:32<alazare619>and reinstalling?
01:33<ooga-booga>Yeah
01:33<alazare619>hmm
01:33<alazare619>might have to track them down and recompile them then
01:33<alazare619>or wait
01:33<alazare619>do you use gnome-network-manager?
01:33<ooga-booga>nah
01:33<ooga-booga>WICD
01:33<ooga-booga>Fluxbox
01:33<alazare619>i know it has an issue with weezy
01:33<alazare619>ahh
01:33<ooga-booga>I'll probably just to 2.6.38
01:34<ooga-booga>wireless works without an issue
01:34<ooga-booga>and I see no real difference from it and 3.0
01:34<alazare619>none what so ever
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01:34<alazare619>only diffrence is seen between stable - sid
01:35<alazare619>lots of people have issues with radeon / nvidia with 3.0 too
01:35<alazare619>have to modeset=0 to get in
01:35<ooga-booga>I got Radeon Mobile HD in here
01:35<ooga-booga>and it came up fine
01:35<ooga-booga>no fglrx drivers, though
01:35<ooga-booga>I'm not really worried, though
01:35<ooga-booga>don't do anything too graphics intensive
01:36<alazare619>ahh
01:37<ooga-booga>I'm just the open source one
01:37<ooga-booga>good enough for me
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01:37<ooga-booga>using^
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01:37<alazare619>im fucking stumped as what to do...having an issue with grub splash..cant figure out how to edit the damn splash screen so i dont have to grub-update
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01:38<ooga-booga>you're trying to change the splash screen?
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01:44<alazare619>yea
01:44<alazare619>but im doing it in a way that i can make it permanent im building a distro
01:45<alazare619>everything is done...
01:45<alazare619>other then the damn grub splash
01:45<alazare619>brb
01:45<alazare619>i think i have an idea
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01:47<ooga-booga>alright
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01:49<alazare619>so i think i figured it out...
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02:14<alazare619>so im trying to preseed the hostname for debian installer
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02:47<Davidt>POOP ON ME PLZ!
02:47<Davidt>:D
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02:47<Davidt>:D
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03:04<Davidt>tttmspermmmm
03:04<Davidt>spermmmmmmmmmm
03:04<Davidt>:d
03:04<Davidt> my face is my dick
03:04<Davidt>:#
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03:07<oskie>tor -s
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03:11<bartm>Ganneff, autch that's close :)
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03:24<Folbix>ci<o
03:24<Folbix>ciao
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03:31<mattcen_>Hi all. Given d-i installer screen, how can I tell which d-i option name maps to that screen? Specifically, no matter what I try to preseed, d-i persists in asking me which "Keymap to use" on a screen entitled "Configure the keyboard"
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03:37<PatrickBatman>mattcen_: I don't know the correct answer but you may be able to find the configuration for that menu in the d-i source package. Not fun, but possible.
03:37<bartm>mattcen, do you know the source package of that part of the installer ?
03:37<mattcen>(my real goal is to preseed a PXE-booted Debian installer far enough to get network-console running and ssh to the box to complete the installation)
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03:37<mattcen>bartm: No, and I don't know where to go looking for it either.
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03:38<mattcen>I downloaded just the debian-installer sources, expecting it to be there, but it wasn't.
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03:40<mattcen>Ah, the logs indicate it's part of console-setup-udeb, but I don't know where to get the source for that...
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03:41<bartm>mattcen, maybe with "apt-get source console-setup-udeb" ?
03:41<bartm>mattcen, maybe with "apt-get source console-setup" ?
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03:43<bhack>test
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03:43<bartm>bhack, test successful
03:44<bhack>yeah
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03:45<bartm>mattcen, maybe this is what you're looking for: keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap
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03:46<mattcen>bartm: Yes it is; just found that. Thanks :)
03:46<mattcen>Now I've just got to make it download the network-console udeb after it gets network access...
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03:50<bhack>people there don`t say a lot
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03:51<bartm>bhack, they're all waiting for you to say something (interesting) :-)
03:51<bhack>maybe they are doing something much more important
03:51<bhack>even if a hot girl
03:52<bhack>could take them a lot time
03:52<bhack>:)
03:53<bhack>What`s IRC?
03:53<bartm>bhack, to go back on-topic, do you have questions related to debian ? this is a support channel for debian
03:53<bartm>bhack, google for "irc"
03:53<bhack>oh
03:53<bhack>yeah
03:53<bhack>nothing ,I`m learning it
03:53<bhack>it`s wonderful
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03:54<bartm>yes it is, enjoy learning it :)
03:54<bhack>i will !thank you,i get to go
03:54<bhack>a girl is waiting for me
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04:04<mattcen>Eureka! And the magic pxelinux stanxa to boot a Debian Squeeze installer to auto-start the network-console is: http://paste.debian.net/135172/ !
04:04<mattcen>Thanks for your help guys :)!
04:05<bartm>great
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04:19<EmleyMoor>I have put YajHFC on my systems - and it works nicely with my hylafax setup - there's just one problem at the server side... when I fax from my laptop, the document file is owned by group 60002, when it ought to be fax. This makes viewing the fax difficult. Why would that happen?
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04:47<sml>the debiasn point release seems to have updated my grub graphic
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05:07<EmleyMoor>Is there any easy way to save the sound from a Flash video?
05:08<Bios>i have problems with a Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
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05:09<EmleyMoor>Bios: Detail?
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05:10<Fudgey>whats a pretty cli file browser?
05:14<valdyn>Fudgey: mc
05:15<valdyn>EmleyMoor: what flash video, not youtube?
05:15<Fudgey>valdyn ill check it out :(
05:16<Fudgey>needs 14meg of stuff valdyn , seems rather big
05:16<valdyn>Fudgey: thats big?
05:16<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Well, yes and no on that...
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05:17<valdyn>Fudgey: norton command was probably that big 10 years ago
05:17<Fudgey>nah not really i guess valdyn , just this is cli install and dont expect things to take up more than a few hunderd kb loL
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05:19<valdyn>Fudgey: i dont really get how it could be 14mb for mc, but either way 14 was big in 1990, its not now
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05:22<Fudgey>true valdyn , this is a netinstall with ssh so a few depends, looks good though
05:22<Fudgey>thank you
05:23<EmleyMoor>valdyn: I'm guessing playing it from one computer into another's sound card might be the only way...
05:23<valdyn>EmleyMoor: theres youtube-dl for youtube
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05:24<valdyn>EmleyMoor: no you dont need 2 computers, the worst case would be a cable from line-out to line-in
05:24<valdyn>EmleyMoor: but any sound system has a way to capture
05:24<Bios>lost connection
05:24<Bios>i have a squeeze system
05:25<Bios>kernel 2.6.32-5-686
05:25<Bios>X.Org X Server 1.7.7
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05:25<valdyn>EmleyMoor: http://www.imsc.res.in/~kapil/goodies/record_live.html
05:25<Bios>without xorg.conf, autoconfig use vesa driver
05:26<Bios>if i write a /etc/X11/xorg.conf ad hoc and i use driver intel, x freeze and does not start nothing
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05:27<EmleyMoor>Bios: Are you sure intel is a suitable driver for that device?
05:27<valdyn>!which driver
05:27<dpkg>To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log . See also <oot>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>.
05:27<valdyn>Bios: read ^^^
05:27<Bios>console (alt0f*) will block
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05:27<Fudgey>i thought mangler was now included in squeeze?
05:27<Bios>console (alt+f*) will block
05:27<valdyn>Bios: if you need newer kernel and/or X -> thats available from backports.org
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05:32<Bios>i dont know what i need
05:33<Bios>i cannot understanf what is the problem
05:33<Bios>is xorg?
05:33<Bios>is x?
05:33<Bios>is kernel?
05:33<Bios>my card is supported
05:34<Bios>80863580 Yes Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Controller agpgart,intel-agp
05:34<Bios>80863582 Yes Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device i915 v2.6.32-
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05:37<sml>I have a curious question. If grub 2 is the default boot loader since Squeeze, and I'm running Squeeze, how come I'm running Grub 1?
05:38<ompaul>sml: I have a curious question, did you upgrade from lenny?
05:38<sml>Ah I think I know the answer. The package is version 1.98 but it's actuall GRUB 2
05:38<sml>ompaul: nope. Squeeze netinstall
05:38<sml>ompaul: curiouser and curiouser said Alice
05:39<ompaul>sml: that is the answer
05:39<sml>ii grub-pc 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1 GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS version)
05:39<sml>:) all good then. how come there's also a package called grub2 then? is that just a virtual package?
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05:41<sml>looks like a dummy package for upgrades. presumably from lenny
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05:41<EmleyMoor>What do I do to make my new ~/.asoundrc take effect?
05:41<sml>EmleyMoor: restart alsa ?
05:41<bartm>"dummy transitional package to handle GRUB 2 upgrades"
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05:43<sml>hmm. think i've found a bug in GNOME Terminal
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05:43<EmleyMoor>sml: thought of that and have done it now - but wondered if that wasn't a bit "aggressive"
05:45<svuorela_>Hi peoples. debian & mysql. My machine originates from woody, and is running unstable. For some reason, my newly created mysql users don't work. (gets permission denied). How do I track down and fix it ?
05:45<sml>EmleyMoor: i don't have the asound docs under /usr/share/doc so can't check
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05:57<sml>EmleyMoor: http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc#Changing_things
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05:59<sml>EmleyMoor: in fact the documentation there looks quite good. I'll have to have a read of it myself sometime
06:00<EmleyMoor>This recording script seems to continuously write the file - unstoppably
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06:05<EmleyMoor>Damn, I can't now play anything through my main sound card
06:06<EmleyMoor>Ah, it's back
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06:08<EmleyMoor>Audacity conking out again
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06:09<EmleyMoor>(and now it won't even unconk back in)
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06:13<helty>I've problem with my sound card too, it don't want to play over headphones ... it worked, but ofter upgrade it stops and after next upgrade it worked again. Kinda weird. I guess it's problem with my snd-hda-intel, it has conexant cx20590. I've tried to add something to modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf - options snd-hda-intel model=toshiba enable=1 index=0 position_fix=1 but still nothing, some idea? thanks
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06:13<EmleyMoor>Also, my "horde is blank in iceweasel" problem has just come back
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06:20<EmleyMoor>It's just audacity that appears to be "seized"
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06:22<formybroz>hey- how do i determine how much memory my system has?
06:22<formybroz>other than top
06:23<sla>free?
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06:38<hide>your system has got `free -m` megabytes of memory
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06:41<Bushmills>reboot, and watch BIOS display the amount when doing the power up self test.
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06:44<hide>and if you have an integrated video card, it consumes X MB of RAM too
06:44<hide>rebooting sucks, in fact
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06:47<Bushmills>but less than powering down, opening the case, and looking inside the computer :)
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06:48<Bushmills>he didn't exactly ask for the least suckish way to determine amount of RAM
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06:49<hide>dmidecode might do the job of opening the case and looking inside
06:49<hide>That said, I never reboot, I just power off for hardware upgrades :)
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07:11<debianbest>In squeeze I cannot install libgtk2.0-dev , it says it needs libpango and libcairo but that those are not going to be installed, solution?
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07:12<Myon>debianbest: do you have distributions other than squeeze in your sources.list?
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07:17<debianbest>Myon: no, I don't
07:17<Myon>put the output of apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-dev ; apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev on http://paste.debian.net/
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07:20<debianbest>Myon: http://paste.debian.net/135191/
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07:33<valdyn>debianbest: "apt-get install libpango1.0-dev"
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07:35<debianbest>valdyn: libpango1.0-dev : Depends: libcairo2-dev (>= 1.8.2-2) but it's not going to be installed. Broken packages
07:35<valdyn>debianbest: follow thru with libcairo2-dev
07:35<Black_Prince>debianbest, have you installed iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net ?
07:36<Black_Prince>judd, versions libcairo2
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07:36<judd>Package: libcairo2 on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.4-7; lenny-backports: 1.8.8-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.8.10-6; sid: 1.10.2-6.1; wheezy: 1.10.2-6.1
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07:38<debianbest>valdyn: libcairo2-dev : Depends: libcairo2 (= 1.8.10-6) but 1.10.2-6~bpo60+1 is going to be installed. (Moreover, it also depends on libpixman1-dev, which upon following thru I find with the same problem)
07:38<valdyn>debianbest: so you installed packages from backports.org
07:38<debianbest>valdyn: I did that in the past , yeah, did I screw up? :)
07:38<valdyn>debianbest: thats not a problem in itself, but if you remove bpo from your sources.list later, then it is
07:38<Black_Prince>valdyn, not from backports. From mozilla.debian.net ... That package version is from m.d.n
07:39<debianbest>valdyn: so should I just uncomment those lines for backports in my sources.list?
07:39<valdyn>Black_Prince: probably both then, i see bpo in the name
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07:39<Black_Prince>valdyn, well m.d.n team had to backport it for newer iceweasel to compile.
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07:40<debianbest>I shouldn't have messed with all that backport stuff, damn it
07:40<Black_Prince>debianbest, you never answered my question. Have you installed iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net ? Or do you even have that repo added?
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07:42<valdyn>judd: versions libcairo2-dev
07:42<judd>Package: libcairo2-dev on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.4-7; lenny-backports: 1.8.8-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.8.10-6; sid: 1.10.2-6.1; wheezy: 1.10.2-6.1
07:42<debianbest>Black_Prince: yes, I did, I did it in the past, yeah
07:42<mihau>hello, I've removed lighttpd daemon by an accident and now, after removing and installing via apt it doesn't apear @ /etc/init.d/ nor manual compilation helps; any clues?
07:42<Black_Prince>debianbest, well either upgrade to libcairo2 from that repository, or remove that repository.
07:42<valdyn>debianbest: you should leave both repositories enabled where you have packages from or downgrade iceweasel and the other packages
07:42<debianbest>Black_Prince: I removed the repository back then, after installing mozilla
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07:43<Black_Prince>debianbest, apt-cache policy libcairo2
07:43<Black_Prince>debianbest, and apt-cache policy libcairo2-dev
07:43<valdyn>debianbest: removing repositores you need packages from is not going to work out in the long run anyway
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07:44<debianbest>valdyn: so what's the most elegant solution? downgrading back again?
07:44<valdyn>debianbest: you probably want the newer iceweasel, so enable backports again and mdn again
07:45<debianbest>mdn stands for ?
07:45<valdyn>debianbest: mozilla.debian.net
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07:45<valdyn>Black_Prince: looks like the package in question is from backports, put install triggered by installing iceweasel
07:46<Black_Prince>valdyn, package is from mozilla.debian.net pulled by iceweasel.
07:47<Black_Prince>here, take a look http://paste.debian.net/135194/
07:47<valdyn>yea, i found it
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08:00<mihau>hello, I've removed lighttpd daemon by an accident and now, after removing and installing via apt it doesn't apear @ /etc/init.d/ nor manual compilation helps; any clues?
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08:01<valdyn>!confmiss
08:01<dpkg>You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
08:01<valdyn>mihau: ^^
08:02<mihau>valdyn, lova ya :D
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08:10<Lantizia>Hey what'd be a good way to check if i386/amd64 is running on any debian-based os?
08:10<Lantizia>as in - the distro arch chosen - not what the cpu is capable of
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08:46<Knorrie>Lantizia: uname -m ?
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08:46<Knorrie>or uname -r
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09:42<XeonBloomfield>Hello
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09:43<Kharec>hello XeonBloomfield
09:43<XeonBloomfield>How to find package name from file link? etc. "/etc/debian_version" -> base-files
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09:43<Kharec>apt-file search file
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09:44<Kharec>from apt-file package.
09:44<Kharec>You need to install apt-file and then do 'apt-file update'
09:45<XeonBloomfield>Kharec: I know ;)
09:45<XeonBloomfield>Kharec: It is installing right now at my PC
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09:46<Kharec>It's not what you want?
09:47<den>русские есть?
09:47<XeonBloomfield>Kharec: It is exactly what I want ;) You forgot to say about "apt-file update" after installation ;)
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09:48<XeonBloomfield>Kharec: Thank you for that ;)
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09:50<Kharec>XeonBloomfield: oops.
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09:51<tho>XeonBloomfield: If you want to search for a filename from installed packages, 'dpkg -S <filename>' is helpful too.
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09:52<XeonBloomfield>tho: Great tip! Thank you for that ;)
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10:15<stun>Good evening people
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10:16<stun>Is there any way to install nvidia package?
10:16<Kharec>stun: on squeeze, sid, wheezy?
10:16<Kharec>or lenny?
10:16<stun>Kharec, on squeeze sorry
10:17<Kharec>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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10:19<stun>Kharec, there is no package of this need to keep it updated myself?
10:19<Kharec>you have a pkg in non-free.
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10:19<Kharec>dkms-nvidia-kernel, I think.
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10:20<Kharec>Just install nvidia-kernel-dkms and nvidia-xconfig, then run 'nvidia-xconfig' as root and restart gdm.
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10:22<stun>Kharec, yeah but what are non-free repos :/
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10:23<Kharec>add deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
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10:24<Kharec>in your sources.list
10:24<Kharec>Is there a channel for Sid?
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10:27<Kharec>after add "deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" in your /etc/sources.list, need to run 'apt-get update' before install dkms-nvidia-kernel.
10:27<stun>i know that just trying to find best source mirror
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10:29<stun>Kharec, thanks
10:29<Kharec>you're welcome.
10:29<stun>its being installed now
10:30<stun>lovely Gnome 2.x look
10:30<stun>i missed allot
10:30<Kharec>ok. So don't forget to run 'nvidia-xconfig && /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart' as root.
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10:31<stun>Kharec, you sure? nvidia-xconfig: command not found
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10:31<Kharec>install it before
10:31<Kharec>apt-get install nvidia-xconfig
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10:43<Kharec>No stun anymore.
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10:56<sml>is MonoDevelop in Debian?
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10:57<Kharec>yep
10:57<Kharec>monodevelop - Development Environment for GNOME
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10:57<Kharec>in 'apt-cache search monodevelop'
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10:58<sml>Kharec: yeah found it. was searching for mono-develop. is there a more recent one in backports?
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10:59<ompaul>sml: ask the bot /msg judd versions mono-caught-doing-things-I-don't-want-develop
10:59<ompaul>or something like that
10:59<ompaul>sml: even ms have abandoned c# in its current naming
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11:00<sml>ompaul: I don't think they've quite abandoned it.
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11:05<Wayny>are there CD/DVD images containing backported kernels?
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11:07<Black_Prince>judd, kmuto
11:07<Black_Prince>dpkg, kmuto
11:07<dpkg>Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03
11:08<Black_Prince>sorry ...
11:08<Wayny>Black_Prince: thanks but don't want to rely on unofficial kernels :)
11:09<Wayny>Black_Prince: will just install another kernel by hand afterwards installation
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11:09<Black_Prince>Wayny, those are images not built by debian people but built with debian software (backported kernel)
11:10<ompaul>Wayny: it is an unofficial debian release by debian people
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11:11<Wayny>Black_Prince: considering the size, I guess these images just install a decent base system, don't they? Official images anyway sometimes installed plenty of software I did not want
11:12<Black_Prince>Wayny, use expert mode then ... And you can skip "install software" ...
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11:13<Wayny>Black_Prince: tried expert mode once but there were too many in depth questions I did not know how to handle
11:13<Black_Prince>Too bad ...
11:13<ompaul>Wayny: it is a d-i images archive - so chose what you want, it is basically the same as a net install with a newer kernel that is all.
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11:14<ompaul>Wayny: it is like installing squeeze with a netinstall and then getting a backported kernel
11:14<Wayny>ompaul: sounds good
11:14<Black_Prince>And also installer has newer kernel.
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11:14<ompaul>Wayny: if you want it do it, if you don't don't, however if you have specific questions ask us when you see them
11:15<Wayny>ompaul: thanks
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11:28<Wayny>oh no... I thought the mainline kernel were still patched for openvz. Since I need kernel version >= 2.6.33 (because of SSD TRIM command) and all openvz-patched kernels are <= 2.6.32 it looks like I need another container virtualizer. What is suggested nowadays? LinuxVserver?
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11:31<Urlax>hi
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11:33<ompaul>why on earth would you use openvz when you have kvm out there that is the only question on my mind
11:33<ompaul>Wayny: ^^
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11:34<ompaul>Wayny: please note that is rhetorical
11:34<valdyn>ompaul: some people dont want full virtualisation
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11:35<Wayny>ompaul: for saving resources. I am using KVM for Windows. Why emulate another kernel when guest is also GNU/Linux?
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11:36<ompaul>it is it's own kernel
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11:38<Wayny>ompaul: I mean why shall I emulate one more kernel for a guest that does fine with the host's kernel?
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11:39<ompaul>Wayny: so that you can crash the whole kvm if you do something insane in there and it does not impact the outside world (in so far as we know)
11:40<valdyn>Wayny: squeeze has vserver kernels aswell as openvz kernels - what was your problem again?
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11:40<Wayny>valdyn: show me an official kernel >= 2.6.33 that is patched for openvz
11:40<Wayny>ompaul: how can that happen?
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11:41<valdyn>Wayny: debian/stable doesnt have an official kernel > 2.6.32 for anything
11:41<Wayny>valdyn: but backported kernels
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11:41<valdyn>Wayny: yes
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11:42<Wayny>ompaul: shouldn't VMs be isolated enough to not affect the host whatever one does?
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11:42<ompaul>that is the theory
11:42<Wayny>valdyn: I wrote before that I need a kernel >= 2.6.33 for its sata trim capability
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11:43<Wayny>ompaul: is full virtualization that much more secure than OS level virtualization?
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11:43<Wayny>(apart from chroot)
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11:45<ompaul>Wayny: it appears to be, but then like in physics, all models stand until the next one comes along.
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11:47<babilen>Wayny: All of them are since .29, are they not?
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11:47<babilen>Wayny: (Re: openvz)
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11:48<Wayny>babilen: the mainline kernel was once patched for openvz support. But they seem to have dropped it some time ago
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11:48<Wayny>ompaul: sorry, for my English understanding is not that well. Did you mean that full virtualization is known to be more secure than OS level virtualization until someone proves the opposite?
11:48<ompaul>yes
11:49<ompaul>Wayny: tbh install it, add the patches you want and get on with it all :)
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11:50<ompaul>Wayny: and like burger king you can have it your way
11:50<leo_>Hi, how to encypt home directory? any GUI to do this in a easy way?
11:51<Wayny>ompaul: besides eating mainstream garbage... aaah... I think I won't take the burden of running two virtualization techniques at the same time and just stick with KVM
11:51<valdyn>leo_: encrypting directories is not supported
11:51<leo_>Why not?
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11:52<Wayny>leo_: ask the devs
11:52<leo_>Example: I have two users on debian. If I log on user1, I don't want this user see home folder of user2
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11:52<ompaul>leo_: then use file permissions 700 on the dirs
11:52<Wayny>leo_: edit permissions recursively
11:52<valdyn>leo_: "dpkg-reconfigure adduser"
11:52<leo_>will see
11:52<valdyn>leo_: thats for users created in the future ^^
11:52<babilen>leo_: Or use something like scponly
11:53<leo_>what is scponly?
11:53<leo_>I want to add this for user that already exist
11:53<valdyn>!wikifaq leo_ Permissions
11:53<dpkg>leo_: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/
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11:53<babilen>!tell leo_ -about scponly
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11:56<Wayny>in /etc/adduser.conf, why does the variable DIR_MODE take 4 digits instead of 3? (ugo) ?
11:56<Yoda-BZH>sticky bit
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11:57<Wayny>Yoda-BZH: ah, forgot
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12:23<sneakers>Hi, I have a live thumb stick that I have booted on a computer. It has debian squeeze. It is about a year old so I am all aptitude update & aptitude upgrade. After that, what is the best way to build a .iso of the live running system?
12:23<sneakers>Would this work? http://paste.debian.net/135246/
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12:39<emcdonald>wtf
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12:58<Nazcafan>hello guys
12:58<Nazcafan>I am currently running testing on a macbook machine
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12:59<Nazcafan>y aptitude updated yesterday
12:59<Nazcafan>and safe upgraded
12:59<mihau>Hello, I get this error while trying to compile gobject-introspection1.30.0; glib-2.30.0, debian squeeze http://pastebin.com/S6AmDg23
12:59<Nazcafan>today, the computer can not boot
13:00<Nazcafan>I get an ata 3.01 error
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13:01<Ralphy>Hi all!
13:01<ml|>Nazcafan: #debian-next is a better place for testing/sid issues
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13:03<mihau>plus: pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.30.0, but GLIB (2.28.6) was found! while trying to compile pygtk or other package
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13:04<Urlax>hi
13:05<Ralphy>My question is...
13:05<Urlax>go on..
13:05*ompaul baits breath
13:05<Ralphy>UEFI and windows 8 and how this will affect us...
13:06<ompaul>Ralphy: my crystal ball is broken please come back after windows 8 and uefi
13:06<Urlax>i don't know, and don't worry much
13:06<Ralphy>just read some articles, and it's a bit unsettling, the idea that we won't be able to boot what we want
13:06<Urlax>that's only true for dell boxen
13:06<Ralphy>LOL
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13:06<Ralphy>ok, if you guys aren't worried... maybe I shouldn't worry too much myself.
13:06<Urlax>because they kind off want the 'built for windows' sticker
13:06<ompaul>Ralphy: you think I'm going to buy windows 8? not a hope
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13:07<Urlax>i'm not an expert myself
13:07<Urlax>but you'll still want to be able to buy windows in store
13:07<Urlax>so there has to be an option for cd boot or something
13:08<Urlax>especially on gamer hardware
13:08*Bushmills glued to "designed for windows" sticker into his toilet
13:08<ml|>I read an article that said it would an option you can turn off in the bios, but don't remember the link now ;)
13:08<ompaul>gamers can use ps4s or whatever
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13:08<Wyzard>It's likely that there'll be lawsuits if motherboards don't provide a way for the user to specify their own trusted keys
13:08<ompaul>Bushmills: I should that in the office
13:09<Wyzard>and secure boot isn't a bad thing if the user can do that
13:09<Wyzard>Bushmills: haha
13:09<Bushmills>ompaul: don't glue to the lid!
13:09<ml|>heh
13:09<ompaul>Bushmills: hehe
13:09<ompaul>yes indeed
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13:10<ompaul>Wyzard: your attitude will be the death of free software :)
13:10<ompaul>acceptance of the "COMMAND AND CONTROL"
13:10<Ralphy>Ah, so the general opinion at the moment seems to be that its not going to threaten any linux installs I do on some day in the future..., that's great
13:10<Urlax>no, that's just my thought
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13:10<Urlax>but hey, my p3 900mhz retired only last week
13:10<ompaul>Ralphy: as I said my crystal ball is broken, it's going in for repair come back a few days after windows 8 is released
13:10<Urlax>386 mb ram :P
13:10<Ralphy>For the secure boot, why don't we just boot of read-only media? That way we don't need all this checking and stuff...
13:11<Wyzard>ompaul: It's not "command and control" imposed on you if *you* can install a trusted certificate in your bootloader and have your firmware verify your bootloader and kernel with it
13:11<ompaul>Wyzard: if they don't trust me why should I trust them?
13:11<Ralphy>Right, ompaul, I was just trying to find out how other people felt about the whole thing...
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13:11<ompaul>and this is a little offtopic at this point
13:11<Wyzard>ompaul: I'm talking about signing your own GRUB and vmlinuz images and installing *that* certificate in your firmware
13:12<Ralphy>off topic?, umm, ok, where do I go to get on topic?
13:12<Wyzard>I'd like that, actually
13:12*ml| points to #debian-offtopic ;)
13:12<Wyzard>It's only a problem if I'm forced to trust a certificate (e.g. Microsoft's) that someone else burned into ROM and I can't change
13:12<ompaul>for a future sense topic I guess ml| is right
13:12<ompaul>Wyzard: please go to shop by new rom
13:12<ompaul>game on
13:13<Ralphy>ok.... presses time/space distorter button....
13:13<Ralphy>thanks all...
13:13<Wyzard>but I think there'll be lawsuits if that happens
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13:13<ompaul>Wyzard: #debian-offtopic
13:13<ompaul>I'll glady entertain you there with my rants on trusted computing
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13:33<Guest13064>hello
13:34<ml|>Guest13064: using ubuntu?
13:34<Guest13064>lubuntu on a very old laptop...
13:35<Guest13064>installing for my 4y old daugther
13:35<ml|>ok [l]ubuntu is not supported here, try #lubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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13:43<ml|>Urlax: /msg dpkg usbmount
13:43<Urlax>ty
13:43<Urlax>very helpfull
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13:45<RodolfoRG>argh
13:45<RodolfoRG>how can I downgrade Xorg?
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13:46<towo`>RodolfoRG, in stable was an upgrade of xorg?
13:46<towo`>i can't believe it
13:46<RodolfoRG>testing
13:46<RodolfoRG>the new version forced to remove the FRGLX drivers (ATI non-free). And now the CPU temperature is high (and cooler keeps screaming)
13:46<towo`>then, you should go to #debian-next
13:46<ml|>RodolfoRG: #debian-next is better for testing issues
13:46<RodolfoRG>oh, thankyou
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13:46<RodolfoRG>and sorry
13:47<daveemoth>in kde, what is the better user friendly app for installing software?
13:47<ompaul>daveemoth: than?
13:47<daveemoth>nothing..
13:47<daveemoth>i just installed fresh kde
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13:48<daveemoth>i dont see way to install packages nor from console
13:48<ompaul>daveemoth: so the question is do you want to understand what you are doing and have more control or use some gui and not
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13:48<ompaul>daveemoth: so if you get stuck at some point in the future you will have to use the command line and you will not know it
13:48<daveemoth>ompaul, i need a gui in kde for installaing packages
13:49<daveemoth>sure command line is cool
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13:49<daveemoth>but all goes step by step
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13:49<ompaul>need a gui, I doubt it, however there is on
13:49<ompaul>one
13:49<daveemoth>wich one?
13:49<daveemoth>sure sure, you can doubt but not all users are technical experienced
13:50<ompaul>hang on a sec til I find it, yes I'm, on kde no I only use the cli for installing :)
13:51<daveemoth>yes me too, just this is not going to be my computer
13:52<daveemoth>but anyway, i'm thinking to give him the devian refence card
13:52<daveemoth>dedebian**
13:52<daveemoth>debian*
13:52<daveemoth>ops
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13:54<ompaul>synaptic is the gnome one but yuk
13:54<ompaul>I used to know it
13:54<ompaul>argh
13:54<zsolt>hi there!trying to setup tun for qemu virtual networking.could somebody help me how to do it in the easyest way?thank you
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13:55<ompaul>daveemoth: apt-get update && apt-get install kpackagekit
13:55<daveemoth>thanks a lot
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13:56<ompaul>daveemoth: apt-get update && apt-get install sessionmanager
13:56<ompaul>it uses kpackagekit
13:56<ompaul>daveemoth: never to be used with testing or SID
13:56<daveemoth>sure sure, it is squeeze
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13:56<daveemoth>hell, how i do copy text on xcaht :p
13:57<daveemoth>hell, how i do copy text on xcaht :p
13:57<daveemoth> miss my irssi :)
13:57<Hydroxide>probably ctrl-C or use the menu.
13:57<ompaul>use kdialog
13:57<wompa>daveemoth, you just mark it
13:57<ompaul>soops konversation soory
13:57<daveemoth>ah yes
13:57<daveemoth>hehe
13:58<daveemoth>done, thanks so much for helping on this
13:58<daveemoth>bye
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14:01<eljefe>Good day! I am running Inkscape 0.48 on Debian Sid and I'm not able to open existing, recently-saves SVG files. What might be wrong? Can I get these files back some how?
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14:07<RodolfoRG>eljefe: #debian-next for testing or unstable debians
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14:08<Grey>hola
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14:15<Bushmills>like wowbagger, who forgot the insult
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14:18<aaron_>how do I get windows to look like chrome in this screenshot? http://vanillux.org/wp-content/gallery/screenshots/screenshot-1.png without the large title bars
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14:22<tal>Hi all! Can I bild package with debuild to another arch?
14:22<tal>*build
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14:39<aleson_morais>tem alguem do brasil ai?
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14:39<Bushmills>!pt
14:39<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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14:40<gas>ios 5
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14:41<Golfgeo>Hi all
14:43<Golfgeo>Got a problem with apache2... the default.html file (on a fresh install) loads perfectly, but my .php isn't parced as a php (server side)... So my internet browser tries to open it... Checked if php5 is enabled in apache2 (via a2enmod) and it seems to be loaded. Any sugestions what could be wrong on a fresh install of apache2?
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14:44<OpenTokix>Golfgeo: did you enable the php5 module?
14:44<Black_Prince>Golfgeo, restart apache2 and clear your browsers cache.
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14:44<OpenTokix>Golfgeo: check /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
14:44<OpenTokix>Golfgeo: sorry, missed that part of your comment. - Do what Black_Prince said
14:45<Golfgeo>OpenTokix: yep and will check that file a2enmod stated it was alrady enabled...
14:45<OpenTokix>Golfgeo: do you have a handler for php-files?
14:46<Golfgeo>Restarted apache2 and it ran serverside :-)
14:46<OpenTokix>Golfgeo: did you do a apache2 stop/start or restart?
14:46<Golfgeo>Thanks mate! :-)
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14:46<OpenTokix>ok
14:46<OpenTokix>happy php:ing
14:46<Golfgeo>restart :-)
14:46<Golfgeo>And willco :-) Thanks mate
14:46<Black_Prince>dpkg, congratulate Golfgeo
14:46<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies Golfgeo, you did it!
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15:08<zsolt>hello!trying to run qemu.got this error warning: could not configure /dev/net/tun: no virtual network emulation.with ifconfig I can see tap1 interface
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15:08<zsolt>if I run qemu as root it freezes
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15:09<zsolt>could somebody give me advice?thank you!
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15:15<ompaul>zsolt: eh, you might want to give more information like what host what guest what the .got is in terms of size and so on
15:15<m4conh4>hi
15:16<m4conh4>b4
15:16<ompaul>m4conh4: we tend not to greet people on joining something to do with 500 replies might make the channel unusable
15:16<ompaul>!ask
15:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
15:16<m4conh4>ok
15:16<m4conh4>i have ploblr
15:17<m4conh4>back track 4
15:17<ompaul>!bt
15:17<dpkg>[bt] Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>, or <bttv>.
15:17<ompaul>!backtrack
15:17<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
15:17<zsolt>I use Debian squeeze.I need to run zorp firewall vm for my studies.but unfortunatelly it is only 64 bit.vbox can't handle it if there is no hardware virtualization,qemu can do that.
15:17<ompaul>m4conh4: you are in the wrong place
15:17<m4conh4>tanks
15:17<m4conh4>bye
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15:18<zsolt>finally it boots up without -net tap option
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15:19<ompaul>zsolt: so you want to know more about kvm then?
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15:19<zsolt>can't use kvm.my cpu doesn't support it.
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15:19<ompaul>zsolt: to get to use that kind of thing well you really want to get hardware with vx or whatever other extensions that allow kvm to run - as you rightly say it is cpu dependent
15:19<zsolt>i know
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15:20<zsolt>but finally I can boot this 64bit guest os,without vx
15:21<zsolt>but my only problem is the networking
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15:21<ompaul>http://people.gnome.org/~markmc/qemu-networking.html
15:21<zsolt>thank you
15:21<ompaul>zsolt: no idae bout that firewall but that might help
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15:24<zsolt>or I think it will help if I grant acces to network interfaces for user.but don't know how to do that
15:24<zsolt>with root qemu freezes
15:25<ompaul>zsolt: what processor / ram have you?
15:26<zsolt>it is an intel dual core mobile with 3gb of ram
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15:29<ompaul>is it busy with other stuff?
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15:31<zsolt>no.my only problem is that qemu can't acces to tun
15:32<zsolt>it boots up,no problems
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15:32<zsolt>but need networking since it is a firewall stuff
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15:38<ompaul>zsolt: and that page did nothing for ya?
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15:38<zsolt>no it is not really
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15:38<ompaul>what do the logs say
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15:41<zsolt>it says that registering tap1 interface,but qemu is still freezing
15:42<zsolt>if I run as root
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17:13<EmleyMoor>I'm now using YajHFC to feed my HylaFAx setup. When I use it from my desktop, all is fine. From my laptop, the wrong group owns the document. I can't see a reason why this is happening
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17:47<NickUK>Yo
17:48<NickUK>I'm currently having issues booting one of my Linux Servers it's hanging on checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables while booting
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17:50<jordanm_>NickUK: mysql?
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17:50<NickUK>Yes
17:50<NickUK>I've just booted into Recovery
17:50<NickUK>Best way to stop MySQL from booting
17:50<NickUK>Removing the init.d?
17:50<jordanm_>NickUK: boot into recovery mode and remove mysql from starting on boot. that way you can get the system up and resolve the mysql issues once the system is up
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17:50<jordanm_>NickUK: no, just remove the links using update-rc.d
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17:51<NickUK>I've never had to stop an auto-starting processe in Linux before
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17:53<jordanm>NickUK: update-rc.d -f mysql remove
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17:53<NickUK>Rebooting now
17:53<NickUK>Already had it :P
17:53<NickUK>Thanks
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17:55<jordanm>NickUK: was this after an unclean shutdown or upgrade?
17:55<NickUK>Unclean shutdown
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17:55<NickUK>SSH had locked up and I the KVM wasn't responding to keyboard
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17:55<NickUK>So I just gave it a good old kick
17:55<akp>hey how can i use curl to download arbitrary files from a website?
17:55<tensorpudding>for certain definitions of arbitrary
17:56<akp>in particular i want to download the whole of the FDroid repos for testing some local devices with replicant
17:56<tensorpudding>curl can download any file viewable in a web browser
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17:56<tensorpudding>you can't get files that are hidden
17:57<tensorpudding>or anything
17:57<tensorpudding>curl supports auth
17:57<tensorpudding>though
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17:58<NickUK>it's just getting stuck in boot now
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17:59<NickUK>I've stopped most if not all the services from update-rc.d like Apache, MySQL, FTP etc
17:59<NickUK>jordanm - Does recovery have network?
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18:02<jordanm>NickUK: if you run /etc/init.d/networking start
18:02<NickUK>kk
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18:04<akp>tensorpudding, you have any tips on how i might be able to get the Fdroid repo of appss?
18:04<tensorpudding>not really
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18:06<akp>nm, is there away to apply a pattern to curl so that it only downloads files with a certain extension?
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18:09<NickUK>jordanm - Still refusing tob oot
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18:09<NickUK>It gets to starting hardware abstraction layer: half
18:09<NickUK>hald&
18:09<NickUK>And then stops
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18:11<aaron_>So whats special about debian? Why is it better than other forms of linux?
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18:15<daemonkeeper>aaron_: For example the fact, that it is not only Linux.
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18:17<Damnedkrt>Hello! Any kind souls who know a thing or two about PXE booting?
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18:20<wompa>aaron_, it just works, it's free and it's easy. My experience with Fedora is that it can be quite tricky to get it to work, since it's always "cutting edge", and updates every day. Ubuntu does their own thing a little bit too much and they claim ownership for contributions. Mandriva was to "Windowsy". Suse is too "enterprisey" so I haven't even tested it. Red hat costs. And the most other distros are too specific or they are too much of DIY.
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18:21<wompa>Damnedkrt, maybe one or two things, I have set up a server with a Debian netinstaller and all my other computers can boot from it. But that's about it.
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18:22<Damnedkrt>Allright, well I suppose I have a pretty basic issue here. I did install my tftp server according to http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 but get error PXE-T01 File not found when trying to boot my machine
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18:23<wompa>Damnedkrt, I guess the article might be slightly too old.
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18:25<Damnedkrt>wompa, did you use any guides of your own when you got your own setup to work? I have very limited knowledge and depend on a good old fasioned "how to"
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18:26<wompa>Damnedkrt, don't remember, but basically this is what is required in the dhcpd-conf file: http://pastebin.com/bYwfQNgj
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18:27<wompa>Damnedkrt, I installed the packages: isc-dhcp-server tftpd-hpa
18:27<Damnedkrt>ah yeah, I'm using dnsmasq with my ClearOS DHCP server
18:27<wompa>Damnedkrt, and I extracted the netboot.tar.gz to /srv/tftp
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18:28<Angel>:)
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18:29<Angel>Hello All
18:29<wompa>Damnedkrt, oh, I thought you used Debian :)
18:30<wompa>I haven't even tried the dnsmasq, so can't help you with that.
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18:30<Damnedkrt>I do, as the PXE and tftp server :D Ah allright, Im grateful anyway
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18:30<Damnedkrt>right, ill just hit the bed and have another go tomorrow. Good night and thank you wompa
18:30<wompa>Oh, okey
18:31<wompa>np =)
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18:53<aaron_>thanks wompa and daemonkeeper
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19:19<noodleking>hi
19:19<noodleking>anyone here experienced in setting up mutliple virtualhosts in Apache2?
19:19<noodleking>multiple*
19:20<jordanm>!ask
19:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:21<noodleking>k, I want to make multiple websites for my local lan. I just need guidance on what steps to take to configure the site-file (the profile stored in /apache2/sites-available/<file name>).
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19:23<noodleking>I see some examples that state NameVirtualHost * as the very first line, then suggest that you remove the :80 from the "*:80" in the "<VirtualHost *:80>" line
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19:25<weedeater64>can i?
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19:25<weedeater64>ubuntu ?
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19:26<noodleking>the steps I have taken are: 1) create individual site-profiles (without the NameVirtualHost * bit), putting in the correct paths for docs, html, logs etc, then used a2ensite <site-profile> to enable the site, then reload apache2 and then edited the hosts file to point the site domain name to local ip.
19:26<weedeater64>!beer weedeater64
19:26*dpkg pulls out an excellent Gulden Drak for weedeater64
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19:33<soporte>hola
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19:44<noodleking>is it sensible to give permission to a user to write-read-delete files in /srv/www?
19:45<daemonkeeper>Only you know.
19:45<daemonkeeper>Generally you don't want to give anyone any permission one does not need
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19:46<noodleking>fair enough, badly formulated question. I have created a site directory (as root) and now I think I might have been better off creating it as a user.
19:46<noodleking>I was thinking of chmoding the directory to allow my user account to write/delete within the directory
19:47<noodleking>but having doubts about doing site-wide permissions, in case it screws up security for the site afterwards.
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19:49<daemonkeeper>There is no point in giving anyone write permissions to your HTTP root, especially not the webserver. Only the editor (i.e. the person supposed to maintain files there) needs write permission
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19:50<daemonkeeper>Hence it's pretty common that files in the www-root are owned by root|editor:www-data
19:52<noodleking>thanks, guess I'll keep it to root
19:52<noodleking>:)
19:53<daemonkeeper>If you are running some web script it might be necessary to give the webserver write permissions to some folders. No need to generally allow it to write files though.
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19:53<noodleking>yep, that's the issue I'm dealing with
19:54-!-mode/#debian [+l 493] by debhelper
19:54<noodleking>actually, trying to do several (unrelated) things in one go
19:56<noodleking>I'm also trying to find out how to set-up virtualhosts so that http://site1.net http://site2.net etc can all reside on the same IP address served to the LAN, I can get this to work, with a mixture of adding the IP/domain to all the other computers and setting up site-profiles in the /apache2/sites-available/<profile> folder, but I've just muddled through that ... I can't see why it works ... it just does.
19:56<noodleking>was looking for a good tutorial on that
19:56<noodleking>can't find anything really up to date for Debian.
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19:57<daemonkeeper>This is not related to Debian, after all. Just consult the Apache HTTP documentation. Look for name based virtual hosts.
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19:58<noodleking>k
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19:59*weedeater64 hates that
20:00<daemonkeeper>Reading docs? Yeah, we're all bored from that. It's much better letting someone else do it.
20:00<weedeater64>come to #debian for support for debian/apache and told GTFO
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20:01<weedeater64>meh
20:01<daemonkeeper>For the record: I didn't mean and neither say "gtfo". The problem is just not specific to Debian, so the official docs work perfectly for Debian as well.
20:02<weedeater64>http://sixfour.freeshell.org/alsa/
20:02<daemonkeeper>And I didn't say "get lost, you're OT here"
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20:02<themill>since the regulars in #httpd can't be bothered to help people with the split config files debian gives them, it rapidly becomes a debian problem
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20:03<noodleking>true, I think daemonkeeper wasn't being harsh there... I'm just too tired to communicate properly, I should go take a break but I want to finish up before I go.
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20:04<wompa>noodleking, it is quite easy to enable ~/public_html, so users get a domain.tld/~user url
20:05<daemonkeeper>I don't think that's what he wanted, but it works too.
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20:07<noodleking>wompa, I wanted to set up separate domains entirely /srv/www/site1.net/ - http://site1.net/ - /srv/www/site2.net/ - http://site2.net) but served on the same IP.
20:07<daemonkeeper>Yeah, you want name based virtualhosts.
20:08<noodleking>it is done via "Named VirtualHosts", but I find debian and ubuntu work slightly differently and when I looked up the problem in google, the solutions were all over the place and mostly outdated.
20:08<daemonkeeper>They do? I don't think so.
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20:08<abrotman>are you working with Debian or Ubuntu?
20:09<noodleking>abrotman, both
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20:09<abrotman>which one has the problem?
20:09<abrotman>righ tnow
20:09<noodleking>debisn
20:09<noodleking>debian*
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20:09<abrotman>are they both using http or is one using https?
20:09<noodleking>both http
20:09<noodleking>I will try and set up https once I'm happy with this
20:10<jordanm>noodleking: <Virutalhost IPADDR:80>
20:10<jordanm>noodleking: "ServerName" inside the the VirtualHost directive defines which domain name it will serve
20:11<noodleking>jordanm, I did try that out, iirc. I'll give it a quick go now.
20:11<daemonkeeper>jordanm: Not quite. Or at least: not only. It depends on the NameVirtualHost (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#namevirtualhost). Unless I'm mistaken, by default Debian sets it to *:80
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20:12<jordanm>noodleking: You can copy and paste the 000-default configuration and just modify ServerName and DocumentRoot for each one. If you want multiple domains to goto the same domain, use ServerAlias
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20:12<daemonkeeper>That sounds more right, although you don't need most of default.
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20:13<daemonkeeper>Only <VirtualHost ...>ServerName the.domain.name</VirtualHost>
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20:13<wompa>noodleking needs to change DocumentRoot too.
20:14<daemonkeeper>Sure, but that's not critical to get the name based virtual hosts right.
20:14<jordanm>daemonkeeper: yeah, debian sets NameVirtualHost to *:80 by default in ports.conf
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20:15<daemonkeeper>So, he wants <VirtualHost *:80>ServerName whatever.com \n DocumentRoot /what/ever<VirtualHost> as bare minimum.
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20:17<noodleking>jordanm, sorry for the delayed reply, I was reading the documentation daemonkeeper linked up.
20:17<noodleking>yes that's what I did first
20:18<jordanm>what's the problem?
20:18<noodleking>I copied default profile and then adjusted the setting to match the files
20:18<dijz>Hi, I have Squeeze, and iceweasel 3.5.16 and java 1.6, applets works, but I cannot open a page: https://www2.bancobrasil.com.br/aapf/login.jsp?aapf.IDH=sim&perfil=1
20:18<daemonkeeper>I guess the domain name :)
20:18<daemonkeeper>Crucial for name based hosts is an appropriate HTTP Host header.
20:19<daemonkeeper>Typically that's not working out of the box in a local network.
20:19<dijz>I read about /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only where i should set net.ipv6.bindv6only to 0 but this file is off
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20:19<abrotman>off?
20:19<noodleking>it worked sometimes, I just don't understand why, when I have 'configured' www.site... and site... that it can return for site... but not for www.site...
20:20<dijz>abrotman, it dont exists
20:20<daemonkeeper>ServerAlias?
20:20<jordanm>noodleking: use ServerAlias for www.domain
20:20<daemonkeeper>(Like jordanm said)
20:20<noodleking>daemonkeeper, that's where I configured www.site... and site...
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20:20<daemonkeeper>Show us your configuration.
20:21<noodleking>one mo.
20:21<daemonkeeper>And output of apache2ctl -S
20:21<noodleking>dropbox?
20:21<noodleking>ah, k
20:21<noodleking>I'll do that first
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20:22<noodleking>daemonkeeper, tried running that as a command... didn't work.
20:22<fuse-oss>hi there and welcome. thanks i feel having the chance to see where it all started.
20:23<fuse-oss>my problem is short and simple. it begins with, am i an answer to yours? you want open file formats
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20:23<fuse-oss>tell me something else if i am wrong about that fact
20:23<daemonkeeper>What do you mena by "didn't work"
20:23<daemonkeeper>*mean
20:23<wompa>noodleking, I guess you have to run it as root or with sudo
20:24<fuse-oss>ok great. so let's get started if you don't have any more questions
20:24<noodleking>daemonkeeper, I typed "apache2ctl -S" in terminal and it didn't work
20:24<daemonkeeper>oO
20:24<abrotman>dijz: maybe create it?
20:24<fuse-oss>i am offering a 1 time deal. i will let you pay me to gnu license my file format
20:24<noodleking>wompa, that might be the reason but I didn't get any feedback from the system
20:24<daemonkeeper>_what_ do you get?
20:24<fuse-oss>this is a very important time for the both of us. i don't even have the game or game engine completed. this gives you an advantage to know about the core file format ahead of time
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20:25<fuse-oss>it only takes a 10$ donation to my paypal
20:25<fuse-oss>and i will gnu license my software to be included in the debian repos
20:25<jordanm>fuse-oss: do you need help with debian?
20:25<daemonkeeper>fuse-oss: Please troll elsewhere.
20:25<fuse-oss>why yes thank you.
20:25<dijz>abrotman, Where I can get a sample of it?
20:25<fuse-oss>i seem to be having trouble with selling my file format
20:25<fuse-oss>to make it open
20:25<fuse-oss>we all know the trouble of reversing file formats and network streams
20:26<wompa>fuse-oss, actually, I don't know about that.
20:26<fuse-oss>with 10$ donations i believe i will be able to make better use of debian. such as creating future file formats for you then to buy so they are open sourced
20:26<fuse-oss>think of it as lobbying
20:26<noodleking>http://pastebin.com/7J7AeDtv << one of the sites
20:26<fuse-oss>if you could direct me to a channel with better assistance for this type of issue i would be greatful
20:27<daemonkeeper>Your names conflict with each other, but that's probably not your problem.
20:27<daemonkeeper>As I said, apache2ctl -S would be helpful.
20:27<dijz>if a set plugin to directory where I have installed from jre-6u27-linux-i586.bin (home page of java), iceweasel crash easy
20:30<dijz>Everyone use iceweasel a lot of time, and the life with iceweasel is so hard... I dont understand what are a lot of crash in stable version of debian
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20:33<oper>hello any bldy from ubuntu online
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20:33<oper>anybody from ubuntu onlien
20:34<oper>online
20:34<daemonkeeper>!ubuntu
20:34<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
20:34<noodleking>daemonkeeper, http://pastebin.com/KmMAYkKM (output from apache2ctl -S)
20:34<oper>ok is just a question
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20:35<oper>how can i see my usb to work on tha VB
20:35<oper>virtual box
20:36<jordanm>oper: ask #ubuntu or #vbox in freenode
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20:36<oper>thankyou
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20:37<oper>#vbox
20:39<fuse-oss>where is the talk to programmers of debian channel
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20:40<wompa>oper, probably by installing some Virtualbox guest utilities in the guest OS.
20:40<abrotman>wompa: we don't support Ubuntu here
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20:40<oper>ok
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20:41<wompa>Oh, I forgot to ask if the guest is Debian?
20:41<oper>nobody on #ubuntu chanel
20:41<fuse-oss>oh i remember why i came here
20:41<daemonkeeper>!ubuntuirc
20:41<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
20:41<oper>is something
20:41<fuse-oss>what do i do if i am in 16bit color
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20:41<oper>on VB and my usb
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20:42<wompa>oper, well, sometimes people do things unrelated to computers, aka: away from keyboard... so you might have to wait a few hours for someone to answer you.
20:42<oper>ok
20:42<oper>anyways is just tha i can find how to use my usb on tha VB
20:43<oper>need to work on tha a.s.a.p
20:43<oper>thankyou
20:45<wompa>oper, it's not like it's an uncommon problem, so I bet this would suffice: http://duckduckgo.com/?q=virtualbox+guest+usb
20:45<abrotman>oper: do you need help with Debian?
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20:47<abrotman>wompa: once again, we do not support ubuntu users in this channel
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20:48<wompa>ok, sorry
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21:09<grummund>Is there some non-ascii encoding in british-english dictionary?
21:10<grummund>~$ grep tente /usr/share/dict/british-english | sed 's/[^A-Za-z]//g' | hd
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21:10<grummund>00000050 65 6e 74 65 64 6c 79 0a 64 e9 74 65 6e 74 65 0a |entedly.d.tente.|
21:11<grummund>how to filter out the e9 ?
21:12<prahal>what could be at fault if when looking at the assembler after a jmpq the rdi register is changed ? (it should only be the rip registry ?)
21:13<prahal>I ask here as it looks like there could be an issue with something in debian (or else it might be my processor)
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21:14<prahal>could be . ENglish is a new invention but it has legacy of previous spoken languages in england
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21:18<gdb>$ grep tente /usr/share/dict/british-english | sed 's/[^A-Za-z]//g;s/e9 /g' | hd
21:21<grummund>http://pastebin.com/NdJXxZV0
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21:24<gdb>I don't think you want to filter it since it will make the word itself invalid. I assume it's détente.
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21:25<gdb>Not really sure how to drop the word. It obviously makes it through the [A-Z,a-z] filter.
21:26<grummund>ah, in that case how would i replace chars with their nearesy ascii equivalent? eg. é --> e
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21:28<grummund>i assume sed must recognise it, since it doesn't filter the char using the expression 's/[^A-Za-z]//g'
21:28<gdb>I really don't have any idea. But this sounds like a terminal problem (not properly rendering UTF-8). Is this happening on the console of the system or are you using some other terminal software?
21:29*gdb doesn't have that dictionary installed, but détente displays correctly outside of this context.
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21:30<MrFrood_AFK>aspell has without accents dictionary - en_GB-ise-wo_accents
21:30<grummund>it's not a display issue, i'm trying to filter the word list to be pure ascii
21:30<gdb>Ah, looks like MrFrood may have the solution!
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21:31<MrFrood>to see the available dicts $ aspell dicts
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21:34<grummund>i'm not sure if aspell can output an ascii format word list
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21:42<MrFrood>aspell -c filename
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21:47<mitr>Hi... I am trying to upgrade my kernal to the latest from backports on debian squeeze
21:47<sney>!kernal
21:47<dpkg>*KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL*
21:47<mitr>running into an error about linux-base not being the right version
21:47<sney>yep, you need the updated linux-base as well. it's in backports too.
21:47<sney>judd: versions linux-base
21:47<judd>Package: linux-base on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.32-35~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-35squeeze2; squeeze: 2.6.32-38; squeeze-backports: 3.3~bpo60+1; sid: 3.3; wheezy: 3.3
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21:48<grummund>aptitude should pick that up automagically
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21:49<sney>yeah, unless he's installing the upgraded kernel so he can have net connectivity
21:50<grummund>well i had the same problem and it was because i failed to specify it correctly to aptitude
21:50<mitr>Worked it out... didn't realise that the backports are disabled by default
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21:52<abrotman>they're not disabled .. they're just not enabled
21:52<abrotman>they're .. just nothing
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22:06<grummund>aha. i can answer my own question:
22:07<grummund>~$ grep tente /usr/share/dict/british-english | iconv -f ISO-8859-1 -t ASCII//TRANSLIT
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22:17<alazare619>hey whats the markup language to use for files like fstab and most config scripts
22:17<alazare619>i cant remember what i used with gedit prior
22:17<alazare619>markup language = highlight language
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22:43<mark_y>hi there
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22:44<mark_y>i'm getting a seg fault at 97% when apt-get updating. i have tried increasing the cache limit and removing the /var/cache/apt/*.bin.* files
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22:56<alazare619>can someone walk me through preseeding so that my debian-installer has a hostname set?
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23:45<chuxxsss>Hi all.
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23:47<chuxxsss>Hi mdupont
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