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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-10-11

---Logopened Tue Oct 11 00:00:35 2011
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00:18<light>what program can be used to convert mp4/avi/wmv/mpg/mov to mpeg2, so it can be read by a dvd player? brasero can't do this, correct me if I'm wrong.
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00:46<zykotick9>light, you might want to check out devede
00:47<light>will do thank you
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03:15<vandor>Hey, I installed crunchbang linux with openbox and now I'm interested to try xfce4, synaptic says that's installed, but when I'm logging in I can't see it anywhere and other desktop environment doesn't work either
03:15<jm_>!crunchbag
03:15<vandor>will I have to install crunchbang again to get xfce?
03:16<vandor>crunchbanglinux.org/
03:16<jm_>!crunchbang
03:16<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
03:16<vandor>oh
03:16<vandor>well.. I'll try that other channel :D
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03:33<armani>i'm running compiz with lenny on an nvidia graphics card, but i'm getting some serious lag wrt to typing and programming on bluefish or using terminal ...is there a fix for this, other than not using compiz?
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03:35<fogout>anyone use gorm?
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03:47<armani>!compiz
03:47<dpkg>Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net.
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03:52<fogout>!gorm
03:52<dpkg>Gorm (Graphical Object Relationship Modeller) is a tool for building <GNUstep> user interfaces. Packaged for Debian as gorm.app. http://www.gnustep.org/experience/Gorm.html
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04:07<riley_>yo- when i try to show ascii art, i get a bunch of diamonds with question marks in them
04:07<riley_>how do i display extended ascii characters?
04:08<jm_>try using a font that has those
04:09<riley_>i'm just trying to use the zsh themes
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04:10<riley_>jm_ ive seen that before with bitchx
04:10<jm_>riley_: are you doing this in X or on console?
04:10<riley_>console
04:10<jm_>try echo -e '\e(U'
04:11<riley_>nothing
04:11<riley_>what is that?
04:11<riley_>the '\e(U' ?
04:11<jm_>man console_codes
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04:11<jm_>it might be a font was loaded without those chars
04:12<riley_>how do i change it?
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04:13<jm_>consolechars command, but I don't rememeber which font to use for this or if it can revert to ROM font
04:14<riley_>WHOA- that echo command made it work!
04:14<riley_>thanks man!
04:14<jm_>no worries - this was well known command back then :)
04:14<riley_>tell me more
04:15<riley_>i am new to linux- what this what the old people were doing?
04:15<koollman>back when dinosaurs roamed the earth... consoles were not virtual :)
04:16<riley_>wow- so like you plugged a vt100 into the computer?
04:16<riley_>can i plug a terminal into my new computer?
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04:20<Bushmills>we don't know. can you?
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04:20<riley_>oh no! after i run top,
04:20<riley_>the ascii art stops displaying?
04:20<Bushmills>!enter
04:20<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
04:20<riley_>how can i make that echo command permanent?
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04:50<OpenTokix>I wonder what is the most annoying behaviour. - People who write many short sentances on topic, or people posting that super-bitch-bot-paste.
04:52<XeroXer>Hi all, am having some trouble installing Skype 64-bit on my Debian testing laptop. It requires ia32-libs and I can't install that because gcc-4.6-base and libgcc1 are to high versions and will not doengrade. They are versions from /var/lib/dpkg/status
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04:56<nocturnal>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=452330 I'm having this issue because mount.nfs was not installed by nfs-common.
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04:56<nocturnal>where can I get my hands on mount.nfs+
04:56<nocturnal>?
04:56<jm_>!tell XeroXer -about bat
04:56<nocturnal>oh nevermind I just installed nfs-client
04:56<nocturnal>was easy as pie
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05:06<XeroXer>jm_: installation: http://paste.debian.net/135649/ - package policy: http://paste.debian.net/135647/ - policy: http://paste.debian.net/135650/
05:07<nocturnal>seriously, how could nfs-kernel-server startup script work when rpc.nfsd, rpc.mountd and exportfs are missing?! what package are these binaries in?
05:07<nocturnal>oh nevermind, again the guides on google were misleading
05:07<nocturnal>nfs-server had them
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05:09<franklink>!list
05:09<dpkg>franklink: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
05:10<franklink>finaldestination
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05:12<franklink>!list
05:12<dpkg>franklink: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
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05:21<jm_>XeroXer: let me see if I can figure it out
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05:25<jm_>XeroXer: why do you have those weird priorities?
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05:46<Black_Prince>wow ... squeeze 6.0.3 has been released?
05:46*Black_Prince searches for changelog
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05:48<anbe>!tell Black_Prince about 6.0.3
05:48<Black_Prince>I found it earlier :P
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05:51<blade>hi
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05:53<gabri>olaaa
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05:54<blade>elo :P
05:54<blade>anybody from Poland?
05:54<gabri>tu puta madre
05:54<ikex>Does it really matter?
05:55<blade>ikex: no, it's only a question :P
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05:56<XeroXer>oh jm_ missed your question. I'm not sure, was a while ago I set that up. I just wanted to add stable, unstable and experimental so that I could install packages from there but not so anything gets auto upgraded
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06:00<nixjr>im looking to build an HTPC with an i5 SB SPU, running debian, since heat/noise will be an issue i want to disable the "turbo" feature of the cpu, is this done at the OS or bios level?
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06:01<nixjr>CPU*
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06:03<sml>Black_Prince: only a few days ago
06:04<sml>Black_Prince: lenny had a point release before that even
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06:17<jm_>XeroXer: it has to be 500 to install it
06:17<jm_>(by default)
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06:34<XeroXer>jm_: Oh, I did not know that. That explains some weird issues I have been having. Thanks!
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06:36<jm_>XeroXer: so it looks like you need to look in the preferences file and correct some things there
06:36<XeroXer>jm_: Yeah I will do that. What source is the package installed from when policy says /var/lib/dpkg/status
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06:37<XeroXer>Was thinking if stable, unstable and experimental should be abouve 100 or below as it is today
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06:38<XeroXer>Was thinking if stable, unstable and experimental should be abouve 100 or below as it is today
06:38<nixjr>is intel's "turbo" feature on CPUs enable/disabled in the BOIS or the OS?
06:38<XeroXer>oh, double. sorry
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06:42<disposable>is there a run-parts alternative that supports executing scripts (cron jobs) in parallel?
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06:44<jm_>XeroXer: that means installed packages )they have priority 100)
06:44<jm_>nixjr: BIOS AFAIR
06:45<jm_>disposable: what do you mean?
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06:46<babilen>disposable: Like GNU/parallel?
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06:49<disposable>babilen: exactly. thank you. although there doesn't seem to be a package in squeeze.
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06:52<babilen>disposable: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597050 -- I would recommend to install GNU parallel locally with stow for now. (/msg dpkg usrlocal ; /msg dpkg stow ; /msg dpkg stow usage)
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06:54<paNick>Hi
06:54<nixjr>jm_, thanks
06:54<paNick>I have alittle problem with grub on wheezy
06:55<jm_>nixjr: no worries
06:55<paNick>Is this the right place to discuss it?
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06:55<babilen>paNick: There is a #debian-next channel for wheezy/sid support, but I don't mind
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06:56<paNick>thx, i'll try there
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07:09<XeroXer>jm_: Now my policy looks like this: http://paste.debian.net/135668/ - Still get the same problem though.
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07:13<XeroXer>Also tried setting the stable, experimental and unstable above 100 like this: http://paste.debian.net/135670/ - Then a dist-upgrade wanted to do this: http://paste.debian.net/135671/
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07:15<jm_>XeroXer: you will end up with a bastardized mix if you continue like this, verify what apt-cache policy now says for ia32-libs lib32gcc1 lib32stdc++6
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07:19<XeroXer>jm_: http://paste.debian.net/135675/
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07:21<jm_>XeroXer: does it still want gcc-4.6-base = 4.6.1-4 ?
07:22<XeroXer>yeah
07:22<jm_>what does policy say for this one?
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07:23<XeroXer>http://paste.debian.net/135678/
07:23<jm_>you already have a newer version installed, that's why
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07:24<XeroXer>I think I found the problem and the origin of the problem. Must have been a long time ago when I installed a bunch of gcc g++ cpp stuff for something. Installed it all from unstable to get the versions I needed. Think that is the problem
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07:26<XeroXer>Feels like I need to just reinstall debian alltogether to get this the way I want.
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07:26<XeroXer>Bu before I do. Is the stuff about having unstable, experimental and stable as lower priority to be able to install something from there a bad idea?
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07:28<jm_>indeed
07:28<jm_>XeroXer: just install the prolematic package by hand with dpkg and then try to sort the mess
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07:29<jm_>XeroXer: in general no, but keep in mind that you are likely to upgrade the based as soon as you pull in from testing/unstable (depends on what packages needs, but it usually happens very quickly)
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07:30<XeroXer>jm_: Thanks for all your help, will try to sort this stuff out today.
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07:40<jm_>XeroXer: no worries
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08:00<wompa>Why doesn't this work? "sudo iptables-save > /etc/iptables_firewall.conf" I get error message that I don't have access to do so. I have to do a: su -c '...' instead. I am in the sudo group and "%sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL" in the sudoers file. % isn't a comment, is it?
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08:04<cybersphinx>wompa: sudo gives root rights to the iptables-save call. The redirection is done by the already running shell and not affected by sudo. You could use "sudo sh -c
08:04<jm_>indeed
08:04<cybersphinx>sudo sh -c "..."
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08:05<wompa>Yes, that's a nice solution :)
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08:06<wompa>thank you, cybersphinx =)
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08:15<wompa>And also, how come in Gnome I can use my user-pw (sudo) for some tasks, mounting drives, but others I have to use my root pw, starting synaptic?
08:16<wompa>At least I guess I'm using sudo for mounting drives.
08:16<abrotman>wompa: likely some use gksudo, others gksu
08:16<weasel>iow, because it's a horrible, horrible mess.
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08:17<wompa>ok
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08:19<wompa>Well, at least I'm starting to see the difference between the two dialogs :)
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08:20<babilen>wompa: You can configure which backend gksu(do) is using gconftool/gconf-editor ... You are after the /apps/gksu/sudo-mode key
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08:25<wompa>yay, it worked, ty babilen =)
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08:27<bhansali>hi
08:27<bhansali>hi oleg
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08:28<bhansali>hi ifvoid
08:29<bhansali>hi
08:29<abrotman>hello?
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08:29<bhansali>hi abortman
08:29<abrotman>you uh .. don't have to greet everyone
08:29<bhansali>yup
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08:30<bhansali>hi Bushmills
08:30<abrotman>bhansali: do you have a Debian related question?
08:31<bhansali>wht u wana say
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08:31<cthuluh>bhansali: do you know what "debian" is?
08:31<bhansali>nooooooooooooooooooo
08:32<cthuluh>ok, bye ; *plonk*
08:32<bhansali>hi cyber
08:32<bhansali>wht happen
08:33<babilen>bhansali: This is a technical support channel for Debian (http://www.debian.org/) *not* a general chat channel. You want a different network or to join the #moocows channel. Please respect these rules. Thank you.
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08:36<in4no83>Looking for help from anybody that has set up LAMP
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08:36<babilen>in4no83: Just ask your question
08:37<in4no83>I have installed LAMP and it appears the mysql extensions are loaded but when referencing them in the php script it says undefined function
08:37<in4no83>I have checked all the .ini files and they appear good
08:38<bhansali>k
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08:39<in4no83>here is the exact line I am getting when running the script Fatal error: Call to undefined function  mysql_connect() in /var/www/pictest.php
08:40<cschutijser>Is the php5-mysql package installed?
08:40<in4no83>Yes...I installed it and I had previously tried postgre and had that installed and gotten the same results trying both
08:41<cschutijser>Have you also restarted your httpd?
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08:41<in4no83>Yes multiple times.
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08:43<jm_>how did you install it?
08:43<in4no83>I installed through synaptic
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08:43<in4no83>funny thing is when I run print_r(get_extension_funcs("mysql")) It actually shows that the functions are available
08:44<in4no83>Yet for some reason a script cannot find these functions
08:44<jm_>and phpinfo() also mentions it?
08:45<in4no83>yes phpinfo() says they are supported and references the .ini files for all the extensions that appear to be loaded
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08:47<in4no83>I have searched days for information online and everything points to the packages not being loaded but apparently I am having a different issue
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08:49<jean-louis>Hi, got some little locale question. In dpkg-reconfigure locales I set my default locale to en_US.UTF-8. But when I login, locale gives me all POSIX, when I do 'su -', my locale changes to the correct en_US.utf-8 ... Any idea how to set it by default?
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08:51*cthuluh thought the default locale was taken from /etc/default/locale (see update-locale(8) )
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08:52<jean-louis>well thats set to LANG=en_US.utf-8
08:52<jean-louis>so I guess thats fine ?!
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08:53<cthuluh>grep -sFRi LANG /etc/ # use a hammer ;)
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08:55<jean-louis>nothing that sets it to POSIX :s
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08:56<cthuluh>jean-louis: "POSIX" is equivalent to "C" ie. the default locale
08:58<jean-louis>but how to set that default locale on login then ? :D
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09:00<cthuluh>jean-louis: did you really log out, after changing the default?
09:01<jean-louis>yes, its a remote server btw
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09:01<cthuluh>if you log in using ssh, the locale generally used is the one set by the ssh client
09:02<cthuluh>thus, if on your client you use a locale not present on the server, it may be reset to default
09:02<jean-louis>and what does putty do ?
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09:03<Paracelsus>hi there
09:03<cthuluh>jean-louis: nfi
09:03<Paracelsus>i'm trying to install debian following this article: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/512
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09:03<Paracelsus>bu when i reboot, the system don't find /dev/md0
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09:04<jean-louis>cthuluh: any idea if its possible to reset it to the en_US locale when the passed locale isn't installed ?
09:04<jean-louis>cause now it seems to default to POSIX
09:04<jean-louis>but I want en_US :)
09:05<OpenTokix>Paracelsus: http://www.texsoft.it/index.php?c=hardware&m=hw.storage.boot-raid-squeeze&l=it <-- here you have a not outdated howto for what you are trying to accomplish.
09:05<Paracelsus>OpenTokix: ok, let's do that
09:05<Paracelsus>OpenTokix: thank you
09:05<OpenTokix>Paracelsus: however, dont put swap on raid, just put swap om several disks, it will spread out the writes on the disks for you anyway.
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09:32<sml>I'd like to give running Oracle on Debian a shot. Any pitfalls? I guess I just need to work out what the packages I need are based on the RPM dependencies listed on Oracles's site. Any other potential issues? Redhat/CentOS/SuSE don't have any special kernel hacks that favour Oracle that might not be in a stock Debian kernel. I predict not, but always safer to ask :)
09:33<sml>I'd like to point out that I've successfully setup Oracle on CentOS, RHEL and Solaris in the past, so really am just concerned with any Debian gotchas that there may or may not be. I know Oracle don't certify Debian GNU/Linux
09:34<rpetre>sml: at some point there were some debs for oracle xe that installed pretty straightforward on stable
09:34<sml>rpetre: oh that would be damn handy if they still exist some place..
09:34<sml>though XE does , or did, have a 4GB limit
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09:35<nevyn>sml: besides doomy doom you're doomed.
09:35<rpetre>sml: well, yeah, but it should walk you through the hard part with the dependencies and all that stuff
09:35<sml>nevyn: I don't follow? :)
09:36<rpetre>sml: i can't help you more sadly, i haven't used oracle in years (not that i complain)
09:36<sml>rpetre: the hard part is fighting the horrible horrible Oracle Universal Installer ;-) But the list of dependenices from the Release Notes are all described via Redhat package names. Hopefully I should be able to just work out what the equivalents are in debian. Does Debian have pksh ?
09:36<nevyn>sml: so if you're talking about doing something for the challenge go for it if you want to do work just install OEL/Centos
09:37<nevyn>!oracle
09:37<dpkg>hmm... oracle is the world's most advanced database server, see this great installation guide: http://linux.togaware.com/survivor/Oracle_10g.html . Debian packages (for Express Edition) available at http://otn.oracle.com/ or apt repository at http://oss.oracle.com/debian/. #oracle on irc.freenode.net.
09:37<nevyn>hrm.
09:37<sml>nevyn: have already set it up on a VirtualBox with CentOS 6. Am happy enough with it but run Debian elsewhere. Don't really know anything about CentOS so was a bit worried about supporting it. I'm a developer not a sysadmin ;-)
09:37<rpetre>yeah, the machine oracle runs on would be considered an appliance anyway :)
09:37<nevyn>maybe this situation isn't as doomed as I thought
09:38<nevyn>dammit I'm a sysadmin not an application developer jim!
09:39<sml>nevyn: I'll go for the easy ride then ;-) It's when it comes to supporting the darn thing that it'll no longer be an easy ride and i'll regret not installing it on Debian ;-)
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09:39<sml>thanks for the advice people
09:39<nevyn>sml: honestly installing oracle on debian is likely to be painful. getting any sort of support out of oracle is likly to be worse and productionising it is likely to make your sysadmins stab you in the face.
09:40<sml>nevyn: the problem is we don't have any dbas.. so the developers basically run their own db servers on vms
09:41<nevyn>sml: sigh I've been in enterprise stuff too long. I've forgotten what that's like.
09:41<sml>nevyn: thanks for the advice though :)
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10:05<Paracelsus>OpenTokix: same problem
10:05<OpenTokix>Paracelsus: ok, did you install the grub in alla drives in the raid?
10:05<Paracelsus>OpenTokix: no, fail in the boot
10:06<Paracelsus>OpenTokix: how can i do it? livecd, chroot, etc, etc?
10:06<OpenTokix>Paracelsus: livecd is a good start
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10:08<sml>when Cron generates mails how does it determine the value to use in the From: header? Does it cat /etc/mailname and use that to quality the local account name that it sends from?
10:08<sml>I'd like to remove the hostname part from the From: header it's using. I changed /etc/mailname but it's not been honoured.
10:08<petemc>what mta?
10:09<sml>petemc: exim. dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ?
10:09<petemc>so you're using exim
10:09<sml>yup
10:09<petemc>exim -bP qualify_domain
10:09<Paracelsus>OpenTokix: but, this is solve the problem that debian don't detect any MD device?
10:09<sml>petemc: yes it's wrong in there. thanks.
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10:11<sml>petemc: meh. I should've run update-exim4.conf after changing the mail host name
10:11<sml>schoolboy error.
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10:15<Zborg>is there a way to force a text only install (no graphics modes at all) from the debian install cd?
10:15<Zborg>because it boots fine for a second and then the screen gets all messed up when switching to a graphical video mode
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10:17<Zborg>nevermind, found it
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10:36<Paracelsus>OpenTokix: hi, i've mounted raid partitions and runned grub-install, but where /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
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10:39<crd>grub 2 does not use menu.lst: http://wiki.debian.org/Grub#Configuring_grub_v2
10:39<Zborg>is it just me, or is the time remaining on the select and install software horribly wrong all the time?
10:40<crd>it's just you. if you've got consistent throughput, the time is fairly accurate.
10:41<Elshorath>hi
10:41<Elshorath>what is your name?
10:41<Elshorath>my name is osman
10:41<Elshorath>your all?
10:41<Elshorath>:p
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10:42<Paracelsus>crd: thanks
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10:42<Elshorath>thanks
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11:02<Zxcvb>is password authentication the default for debian stable?
11:02<Zxcvb>for ssh logins, that is
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11:03<Zborg>is password authentication the default for ssh logins on debian stable/squeeze?
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11:03<Zxcvb>oops, sorry about that
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11:05<crd>yes, but setting up keys is fairly easy.
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11:29<sml>make sure you setup rsa ones
11:29<sml>innit
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11:34<AntonioBlob>hi
11:34<AntonioBlob>i get this error: ImportError: /usr/lib64/python2.6/dist-packages/wx-2.8-gtk2-unicode/wx/_misc_.so: symbol _ZN7wxSound6CreateEiPKh, version WXU_2.8 not defined in file libwx_gtk2u_adv-2.8.so.0 with link time reference
11:35<AntonioBlob>wxwidget problem
11:35<AntonioBlob>how to fix it?
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11:37<sney>AntonioBlob: and when you get that error, what are you doing exactly
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11:38<AntonioBlob>i installed a program and when i run it i get this error
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11:39<gob_bluth>has the debian 5 netinstall been deprecated?
11:39<gob_bluth>i'm trying to install via our pxe deb5 netinst image and it's saying it can't download the proper gpg keys
11:40<babilen>gob_bluth: You probably need 5.0.9 (/msg dpkg 5.0.9) -- but why do you install lenny and not squeeze?
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11:40<sney>AntonioBlob: what are you doing *exactly*. we are not at your computer with you. you have to tell us everything that happened if you want help.
11:41<gob_bluth>babilen: we'e got a couple hundred deb5 servers at the moment so we need to maintain the same version. also our puppet system doesn't work with debian 6.
11:41<gob_bluth>deb6 upgrade to happen next year
11:41<gob_bluth>hopefully when i'm gone :p
11:41<babilen>gob_bluth: Ack -- Note that security support for lenny will run out and that you therefore have to work on an upgrade plan. But you are probably well aware of that already.
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11:42<gob_bluth>babilen: yeah, sometime in march i think it goes dead, we'll be moved by then
11:42<AntonioBlob>sney
11:42<babilen>gob_bluth: Good
11:42<AntonioBlob>i said what am i doing
11:42<AntonioBlob>i am
11:44<Bushmills>AntonioBlob: looks like "a program" has a problem
11:44<crd>no you didn't. which program are you trying to run, what are you trying to do with it, and do you have python-wxgtk2.8 installed?
11:44<babilen>AntonioBlob: Which program is that? How do you start it? Are you sure that it expects the wxwidgets version that you have installed?
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11:44<AntonioBlob>djvusmooth is the program and i get ImportError: /usr/lib64/python2.6/dist-packages/wx-2.8-gtk2-unicode/wx/_misc_.so: symbol _ZN7wxSound6CreateEiPKh, version WXU_2.8 not defined in file libwx_gtk2u_adv-2.8.so.0 with link time reference
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11:45<sney>also, did you install it with aptitude/apt-get/synaptic or from somewhere else?
11:46<AntonioBlob>yes with apt
11:46<AntonioBlob>i found this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poedit/+bug/610686
11:47<AntonioBlob>but i dont want to recompile nothing
11:47<crd>nice double negative
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11:47<AntonioBlob>hehe
11:48<AntonioBlob>double negative is positive
11:48<crd>try installing python-wxgtk2.6 and see if that helps.
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11:48<Bushmills>are both djvusmooth and libwxgtk2.8 from debian stable?
11:49<AntonioBlob>i have squeeze
11:49<AntonioBlob>yes
11:50<crd>djvusmooth and wxgtk2.{6,8} packages are in stable, yes
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11:52<AntonioBlob>i removed 2.8 version, now i'm installing 2.6
11:53<babilen>,depends djvusmooth
11:53<judd>Package djvusmooth in squeeze/i386 -- depends: python, python-support (>= 0.90.0), python-djvu (>= 0.1.15), djvulibre-bin (>= 3.5.20-5~), python-wxgtk2.8 | python-wxgtk2.6, python-xdg.
11:53<babilen>... yeah, that might actually help.
11:53<babilen>(would still be a bug though IMHO)
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11:54<AntonioBlob>ok now works
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12:07<bourke>Can anyone tell me how to remove the keyboard layout picker from gnome-panel?
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12:12<babilen>bourke: IIRC you can configure that in the keyboard configuration dialogue in the control-center
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12:17<bourke>babilen: got it, thanks
12:17<bourke>:)
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12:31<viliny>Hello!
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12:32<viliny>It seems my wired connections auto eth0 and auto eth1 got messed up somehow
12:32<crd>"messed up"?
12:32<viliny>what it did was display my 2 wired cards with both having auto eth1 connected
12:32<viliny>instead of eth 0 and 1
12:32<viliny>the other is dhcp and the other is manual static
12:33<viliny>so they can't share configurations. What im asking now is how do i specify which settings are for which NIC?
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12:33<viliny>i deleted all my wired connections from the network manager
12:34-!-mode/#debian [+l 526] by debhelper
12:34<viliny>it made a new one called auto ethernet
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12:34<viliny>and now i have one connection which gets a ip via dhcp from my isp as you can see me typing on here
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12:35<viliny>but it seems that the other nic that is supposed to have a static ip and that is the interface that this machine acts as a dhcp server on, has in fact served itself an client ip address instead of xxx.xxx.xxx.1
12:35<viliny>what im wondering is how can i make it static again
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12:38<sney>viliny: maybe you should set them up in /etc/network/interfaces instead, it's much more powerful than network-manager
12:39<viliny>sney, i would love doing that - im however at a loss remembering how the file should look like
12:39<sney>man 5 interfaces
12:39<babilen>viliny: "man 5 interfaces" will tell you :)
12:39<viliny>reading, thank you peeps :)
12:39<babilen>viliny: Also http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
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12:43<viliny>ok, imma give it a go :) obviously gonna drop from here
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12:46<Paracelsus>OpenTokix: no way
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12:52<daemonkeeper>What's used today for CD ripping? I used to use grip but it has been removed from Debian since a while and I don't have it anymore since I upgraded to AMD64.
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12:53<sney>I think it's built into most of the gui/library media players now
12:53<babilen>daemonkeeper: I just rip in rhythmbox but also remember the good old grip times.
12:53<babilen>sney: Indeed
12:53<daemonkeeper>Yes, but the media players all are heavily annoying for CD ripping.
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12:54<daemonkeeper>At least if you aren't happy with the limited default settings that is.
12:54<daemonkeeper>*sigh* are you bored babilen? You could reintroduce grip. I'd appreciate :p
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12:55<crd>i use cdparanoia, it's useful for discs with scratches...
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12:55<daemonkeeper>Yeah, but I'm lazy, I want something to click.
12:55<sney>!asunder
12:55<dpkg>Asunder is a graphical audio CD ripper and encoder, packaged since Debian Squeeze. It is a suggested replacement for <grip>. http://www.littlesvr.ca/asunder/
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12:55<daemonkeeper>I tried asunder, it's even worse than media players.
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12:56*daemonkeeper heads over to snapshot.d.o
12:56<crd>`cdparanoia 1-` isn't too hard to type...
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12:58<daemonkeeper>Setting up grip (3.3.1-16) ... - *sigh* Too bad there is nothing left in Debian.
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12:59*Zaba uses abcde for ripping
12:59<Zaba>which uses cdparanoia
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13:00<daemonkeeper>Seems equally dead.
13:00<Zaba>but works
13:00<daemonkeeper>Zaba: grip uses cdparanoia as well.
13:01<babilen>daemonkeeper: What are you missing in the settings? You can "easily" configure rhythmbox to rip how you like it.
13:02<babilen>daemonkeeper: That is if you understand the gstreamer-pipeline
13:02<daemonkeeper>Don't know about rhythmbox but it's probably similar to amarok which means I can't do fine tuning of the encoder, naming, tagging, etc.
13:03<themill>eh? you can certainly do all that in amarok
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13:03<babilen>daemonkeeper: You can configure something like "audio/x-raw-float,rate=44100,channels=2 ! vorbisenc name=enc quality=0.8 ! oggmux" and also set the naming scheme (for the files, tags are in your own responsibility)
13:04<babilen>And I would really be surprised if amarok wouldn't allow you to configure that as well
13:04<daemonkeeper>themill claims you could.
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13:04<daemonkeeper>I have still to find that then.
13:05<daemonkeeper>Anyway, grip seems still to work
13:06<alazare619>what is the command for xscreensaver damoen to run, it doesnt run by default when i start my computer and i have to open up the screensaver app for the daemon to load
13:07<__Alex_>alazare619: xscreensaver
13:07<__Alex_>and xscreensaver-demo for the conf. utility
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13:08<alazare619>__Alex_, i tried that but it shows a splash screen
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13:09<__Alex_>so do xscreensaver -no-splash
13:09<__Alex_>and if you start your X session, you can add "xscreensaver -no-splash &" to your ~/.xinitrc
13:09<__Alex_>With startx
13:10<__Alex_>I ment start your X session with startx
13:11<__Alex_>Does it work?
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13:12<alazare619>going to logout real quick and test
13:12<__Alex_>Oki
13:12<alazare619>added the xscreensaver -no-splash to sessions and startup
13:13<__Alex_>Should work now
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13:13<alazare619>going to logout when i run just the xscreensaver -no-splash from a run command it starts the actual screensaver tho is that normal?
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13:13<__Alex_>It depends on what you set with xscreensaver-demo
13:14<gibumbaa>hello, i am currently on debian squeeze. i am now downloading upgrades for wheezy.
13:14<jhutchins_lt>gibumbaa: wheezy is not an upgrade, it is an experiment. Parts of it are broken. Your job if you run it is to find what's broken and report it.
13:15<__Alex_>Wellcome to Debian Testing, gibumbaa.
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13:16<sney>!rolling
13:16<dpkg>Testing is not a rolling release. It is a test platform, currently codenamed <wheezy>. It is part of the Debian development process and is gradually being built into the next <stable>. Support goes to #debian-next on irc.debian.org. See <moving target>.
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13:16<gibumbaa>okay. i am doing this for modern packages or let me say a more updated system. how is that?
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13:17<__Alex_>gibumbaa: I do the same.
13:17<sney>just don't expect it to be stable
13:17<__Alex_>sney: I didn't say Testing is a rolling release. But it sure feels like if it was ;)
13:18<gibumbaa>may i expect more stable than ubuntu?
13:18<__Alex_>Testing IS more stable than ubuntu, don't worry
13:18<__Alex_>Updates come daily
13:18<themill>that's an interesting definition of "stable"
13:18<sney>it's not predictably more stable than ubuntu
13:19<__Alex_>I used ubuntu in the past, and i know what am i talking about
13:19<sney>since it is a test platform, sometimes it's fine and sometimes it isn't and sometimes that varies wildly depending on your hardware and/or installed software
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13:19<__Alex_>sney is right. But in most cases, ut just works
13:19<__Alex_>s/ut/it
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13:20<gibumbaa>then its okay with me. i am a newbie, but i very much liked the philosophy with debian thats why i am loving it. thank you so much for a quick response.
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13:20<__Alex_>gibumbaa: No problem
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13:21<themill>gibumbaa: you'll have a lot less pain if you run something that is tested and unchanging then. Stick to stable until you at least understand how to drive it before going off fighting dragons.
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13:22<themill>__Alex_: "updates come daily" is the opposite of what debian means by "stable". Stable means something that's not a moving target ... new things don't just start breaking on you in stable (whereas they will in testing)
13:23<__Alex_>I know.
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13:24<__Alex_>But the guy wants some new software, and compared to Sid, testing is Really stable
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13:26<sney>I think usable is the word you want. "stable" is not a word to be used lightly in these parts
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13:27<__Alex_>You're right. Usable
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13:28<gibumbaa>themill. i never mind re installing my system at anytime. :) and i am using my laptop only for learn things or watch movies.
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13:29<__Alex_>gibumbaa: I use my Netbook (Debian Testing) as a Desktop Replacement, and my P4 desktop (FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE) as a server.
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13:30<gibumbaa>what is a desktop replacement? do you mean windows replacement?
13:31<ml|>gibumbaa: I suggest you install the following, after asking dpkg about them... /msg dpkg apt-listchanges and /msg dpkg apt-listbugs
13:31<__Alex_>I mean a comupter for regular-day use
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13:31<__Alex_>Netbook=Very small, but also slow laptop computer
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13:32<gibumbaa>ok. and professionally i do not have to use computers.
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13:39<jhutchins_lt>gibumbaa: In spite of what __Alex_said, testing is NOT stable, it is intended to be broken, and has a long way to go before it edges toward stability.
13:40<jhutchins_lt>gibumbaa: Some people use it for a daily desktop, but if you do that you need to be able to manage broken package updates and broken packages.
13:40<jhutchins_lt>gibumbaa: If you're not familiar with package management in debian, it's best to stay with stable and learn how to fix the things that you need rather than just randomly updating everything with test-grade packages.
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13:41<jhutchins_lt>gibumbaa: There are sources like backports and mozilla.debian.net that can supply newer packages where "newer" actually matters.
13:42<__Alex_>gibumbaa: jhutchins_lt is right. Most people can live with Debian Stable with no problems. And backporting is also an option
13:42<__Alex_>to get never software
13:43<__Alex_>s/never/newer
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13:44<__Alex_>gibumbaa: if you don't seriously need Testing software, i say, stick with Squeeze
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13:46<__Alex_>gibumbaa: I use debian Testing because it's easyer to maintain (No need to go to a new release after 2 years)
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13:49<__Alex_>{But in Ubuntu, you need to go to a new release every 6 months}
13:49<gibumbaa>i am wondering, why everyone is so keen with stability for a home computer? i just want to know whats going in wheezy. thats all... and i am happy with squeezee, its not matter with happines.. its something about enthusiasm
13:50<__Alex_>It's just that people don't want you to have bad experience. And it really takes a bit of a skill to control a Wheezy computer
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13:51<crd>Also, if you want newer software: use unstable, not testing.
13:51<bartm>crd, just 10 days younger
13:52<sney>if you're going to give bad advice please do it in #debian-offtopic
13:52<__Alex_>Unstable? I really don't recommand.
13:52<gibumbaa>mmm hm.. then let me practice to develop some skill :D
13:52<sney>I don't want to have to clean up when some innocent noob reads that line
13:52<crd>Well sure; noobs, stick with Stable.
13:52<crd>but if you *know what you're doing* and you want newer software, use unstable, not testing.
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13:53<gibumbaa>yes crd.. but i this first to wheezy and after that jump to sid..
13:53<__Alex_>sid=Real Rolling Release
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13:55<__Alex_>I once had sid, and it only took me a month to realise i was not yet prepaired, and so i downgraded to testing.
13:56<__Alex_>I was not prepaired for the unstability
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13:56<crd>you "downgraded" to testing?
13:56<__Alex_>Yup
13:57<__Alex_>From sid
13:57<crd>that sounds like it'd be more of a pain than just running unstable actually...
13:57<valdyn>__Alex_: more like you either reinstalled *or* switched your sources to testing
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13:57<__Alex_>http://www.leune.org/blog/kees/2005/05/downgrading-debian-gnulinux-fr.html
13:57<valdyn>__Alex_: which would be perfectly fine but is not a downgrade
13:57<__Alex_>It isn't?
13:57<sney>it's not really legit, but changing the sources will gradually turn into testing after about 10 days
13:58<gibumbaa>what could be worse there if i am mostly using vlc, xmms2, google chrome for checking mails and stuffs.. ?
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13:58<gibumbaa>i mean with a testing / wheezy
13:58<valdyn>__Alex_: neat
13:59<crd>yeah, you might get a testing system in 10 days, or it could take months.
13:59<crd>http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html#3.1.7
13:59<valdyn>__Alex_: that might do it i guess
13:59<__Alex_>But the downgrade worked flawlessly, and the system is till today a working one
13:59<__Alex_>I'm on it BTW
14:00<crd>all i can say to that is, "you got lucky".
14:00<gibumbaa>i have already gone through that document..
14:00<valdyn>__Alex_: lucky that you had no incompatible config file changes
14:00<__Alex_>:)
14:00<bartm>don't try that from unstable to oldstable :)
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14:12<__Alex_>is there a way to get FreeBSD's "moused" (A app that takes your mouse, and you can do copy-paste jobs in a terminal) in
14:12<__Alex_>debian
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14:12<crd>gpm?
14:12<__Alex_>s/terminal/console
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14:13<__Alex_>Yay! Thank you!
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14:25<__Alex_>And is there a way to scroll in a Console? In FreeBSD, i just need to press scrolllock, and i can scroll the console. Is there something like that on Linux?
14:25<towo`>in tty?
14:25<funkyHat>__Alex_: shift and pageup/down
14:26<towo`>shift + pgup/pgdown
14:26<__Alex_>Ok
14:26<__Alex_>Yaaaay! It works! Thank you people
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14:35<__Alex_>What is the difference between i486 and i686 build kernels? Different Compile options?
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14:39<crd>the i486 kernerls do not support PAE or SMP
14:40<__Alex_>I know what PAE is, but what is SMP?
14:40<sney>symmetric multiprocessing
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14:40<crd>Symmetric MultiProcessing.
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14:40<sney>aka more than one cpu, be it physical or something like hyperthreading
14:40<crd>in other words: use the 686 kernel.
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14:41<__Alex_>So that i can hae multiple Intel P4 chips on my Motherboard?
14:41<__Alex_>s/hae/have
14:41<sney>I don't think there ever was a multiple p4 board
14:42<__Alex_>I seen apple do it with G5s
14:42<__Alex_>(PPC)
14:42<crd>indeed, if you're using the 686 kernel, you should probably have P6s.
14:42<sney>if you have a p4 with no hyperthreading, and less than ~4GB of ram, then there is no appreciable difference between the 686 and 486 kernel for you
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14:42<sney>well except maybe sse support but I'm not sure if that's affected
14:42<__Alex_>Ok
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14:43<sney>I had a dual P3 board but I think after that point it was all xeons. at least until dual core showed up a couple years later.
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15:28<zsolt>hi there!what I have to install in debian to have System > Preferences > Theme > Customize > Control?I try to install mac4lin
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15:30<__Alex_>zsolt: I yust ran the script, and it worked.
15:31<__Alex_>Is there any GEneric phone emulator for Debian? (For playing phone games 'fcourse)
15:31<zsolt>i got errors,like can't find /etc/gnome/gnome.conf
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15:32<zsolt>searched in the /etc/gnome3 but nothing
15:32<__Alex_>You have Gnome 3? Mac4lin is a Gnome 2 theme
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15:33<sney>and gnome3 is only in experimental, so you either installed it that way or through some nonstandard 3rd party source
15:33<bambu>whois janis
15:33<sney>either way, not particularly reliable
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15:34<zsolt>I just installed squeeze
15:34<valdyn>judd: versions gnome-tweak-tool
15:34<judd>Package: gnome-tweak-tool on i386 -- experimental: 3.0.4-1
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15:34<zsolt>anyway is it possible to switch to gnome2?
15:35<__Alex_>You do have Gnome 2.
15:35<valdyn>zsolt: squeeze has no gnome3, it has gnome2
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15:35<valdyn>zsolt: try running "gnome-appearance-properties"
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15:37<zsolt>thank you
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15:37<Samkov>Hey all, I am trying really hard to install the ati drivers from the ATI website using the --buildpkg option found on http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian#Installing_Manually and it always fails to build
15:37<sney>!fglrx dkms
15:37<dpkg>[fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf".
15:38<sney>^ just do that instead
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15:38<__Alex_>Samkov: that what sney posted is really the way to go.
15:38<Samkov>sney, I have used that option, but I do not want to use it because a good amount of my games will not run, they crash when I close them :(
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15:39<vlsoft>Hi!
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15:41<Samkov>I can give that another go I suppose? One thing I was curious about, was when I install the proprietary driver, at boot all the terminal text is huge, is that normal? the open-source driver does not do that
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15:43<__Alex_>Samkov: That's completly normal. What bootloader you use?
15:43<valdyn>Samkov: no driver makes the boot font huge
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15:43<valdyn>Samkov: having a driver at all at that point is making it small
15:43<__Alex_>HE means that he has 8x25 console
15:44<__Alex_>s/8x25/80x25
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15:44<valdyn>Samkov: so, when you're using that "free" driver for X that makes you have a free driver for the console while using the proprietary driver for X makes you have no driver at all in the console
15:44<Samkov>ehh lemme take a look
15:45<Samkov>i use grub 1.98
15:45<valdyn>Samkov: boot loader has nothing to do with this
15:46<__Alex_>No, but if yaou have GRUB 1 or Lilo, you can use VBE
15:46<Samkov>so bascially the large text is nothing to worry about
15:46<__Alex_>Yes
15:46<valdyn>Samkov: its the default
15:47<Samkov>any way to change it?
15:47<valdyn>Samkov:
15:47<__Alex_>If you have GRUB legacy or LiLo, you can use VBE
15:47<valdyn>Samkov: you cant make it as versatile as it is with the free driver
15:48<valdyn>Samkov: but you can pick between a few modes
15:48<__Alex_>But i think you have GRUB2, i don't have much success with that
15:48<Samkov>because its non free?
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15:48<valdyn>Samkov: no, because the non-free driver uses a different architecture
15:49<Samkov>ahh ok, where could i read up on these different modes?
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15:49<valdyn>Samkov: google "linux vga=ask", but do not try to load framebuffer drivers like vesafb
15:49<vlsoft>I have a nowadays not so common problem, maybe someone can give a few tips; I would like to run Debian on an old laptop that has a P1 100MHz CPU, and 8M or RAM. So far I have partitioned a hard drive, put Debian Squeeze on it using debootstrap on a more recent machine, and I was somewhat surprised that the kernel+initrd won't even fit into 8M (well, not _that_ surprised... :P ) I have tried compiling a kernel without initrd support an
15:49<vlsoft>d the essential things for boot packed into it, but the 8M memory constraint is still a problem... I have even played with CONFIG_PHYSICAL_START, as on a stock kernel it's pretty much set to 16M, which on this machine won't really work... Kernel is 2.6.37 from kernel.org btw.
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15:50<__Alex_>valdyn: I'm saying, i don't have a lot of success with VBE on GRUB2
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15:50<valdyn>__Alex_: i dont know what youre talking about really, *I* am talking about the kernel switching modes, thats unrelated to any boot manager
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15:50<__Alex_>It doesn't work in GRUB2
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15:50<__Alex_>Gedit?
15:51<valdyn>__Alex_: uh?
15:51<__Alex_>Try it!
15:51<__Alex_>If you don't believe
15:51<valdyn>__Alex_: are you saying that grub2 makes vga=ask not work anymore?
15:51<__Alex_>Yep
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15:51<Samkov>oh
15:51<valdyn>__Alex_: ok, i never knew that this feature has controlled by the boot manager
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15:52<crd>the grub2 config files are why i use LILO.
15:52<crd>those things are a mess.
15:52<valdyn>Samkov: Im sure theres still ways to change the resolution and text mode, but seriously this is pretty useless, so im to lazy
15:52<__Alex_>I use LiLo Too! Simple to use
15:52<Samkov>haha it is fine valdyn, I know it doesent change the performance of the system, just makes it look a bit cleaner
15:52<crd>RedHat are such douchabags for switching to GRUB and kinda killing LILO off...
15:53<valdyn>big modern systems cant really use lilo
15:53<__Alex_>Slackware still uses LiLo
15:53<crd>yeah they can
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15:53<valdyn>linux is switching to needing /usr to boot
15:53<valdyn>or already switched
15:54<crd>and that's a job for init, not the boot loader.
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15:54<crd>LILO is a perfectly adequate solution in 99.9% of circumstances.
15:55<valdyn>so i need an extra partition for /boot and for / and this is annoying when modern systems often dont even use partitions
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15:55<Samkov>you guys perfer LILO over grub? ive never heard of it, im very new to linux
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15:56<__Alex_>LiLo is a very old Boot loader, and a very primitive one. But it's simplicity makes it easy to use
15:56<__Alex_>(If you know what are you doing)
15:56<Samkov>hehe
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15:56<crd>stick lba32 in your lilo.conf and it can use a kernel anywhere on the drive.
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15:56<vlsoft>Now that I'm playing with this old laptop of mine, I prefer syslinux on it :P Otherwise, grub-legacy...
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15:58<crd>The best bit about LILO: it's file system agnostic. That's a big plus right there.
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15:58<__Alex_>Right. But will it work on ZFS?
15:59<valdyn>crd: it is not file system agnostic
15:59<__Alex_>Because ZFS uses pools instead of partitions
15:59<valdyn>crd: you can call that file system ignorant
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15:59<valdyn>crd: thats ok when it works, but when it does not ...
15:59<__Alex_>valdyn: LiLo works allways
15:59<Samkov>I must be going for now, but I want to thank you all for the help, very much appreciated
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16:00<Samkov>Ill be sure to stop by n chat in the future!
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16:00<__julian>hi guys
16:00<vlsoft>So, asking again: anyone with experience about 2.6 kernels running on a system with 8MB of memory? The last time I saw my old laptop boot was with a 2.2 kernel (and it did boot with it a day ago, so it is still boot-capable hardware-wise).
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16:01<crd>it would be very difficult to fit even just the kernel into a bit of RAM that small.
16:01<valdyn>vlsoft: this probably offtopic as it has nothing to do with debian and debian kerenls wont work
16:01<__julian>i also have a question
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16:01<vlsoft>valdyn, the system has Debian Squeeze debootstrapped...
16:01<valdyn>vlsoft: so?
16:01<valdyn>vlsoft: now load you initrd into ram
16:01<vlsoft>so it's not that off-topic...
16:01<vlsoft>custom kernel, no need for initrd...
16:02<vlsoft>and it boots a Debian system fine if it has more ram (tested on a P3).
16:02<vlsoft>bzImage is ~1.4M
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16:02<vlsoft>uncompressed kernel is somewhere around 5.3 or so
16:03<__julian>I installed the debian testing without desktop environment and tried to install xfce afterwards. installation of xorg and xfce4 went thorugh without any problems. but when i try to open a session, it just says "cannot open display", nothing more. anyone got a hint how to fix that?
16:03<valdyn>__julian: how are you trying to open a session?
16:03<__julian>with "xfce4-session"
16:04<crd>try startxfce4
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16:04<__Alex_>NO! startx
16:04<__julian>i tried it that way how it's described at the debian website :)
16:04<valdyn>__Alex_: X needs to be running first, theres plenty ways, "startx" might already do what you need
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16:05<__Alex_>and put "exec startxfce4" in your .xinitrc
16:05<cwood>Backing up a bit, it might do to read up on how sessions are created and how X looks for a window manager in Debian.
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16:05<crd>startxfce4 runs xinit for you, try running startxfce4
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16:06<__julian>okay I'll give it a try
16:06<vlsoft>valdyn: btw. it sort of works, at least it uncompresses itself, does the "Parsing ELF" part, but dies after the line "Booting the kernel." ... Maybe I would have better luck talking to the kernel.org guys? :)
16:06<__julian>like you already noticed, i have no experience with a xinstall by hand
16:07<__julian>thanks for help, have a good night
16:07<valdyn>vlsoft: maybe
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16:07<valdyn>vlsoft: maybe there also is plenty documentation on how to make smaller kernels
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16:07<valdyn>vlsoft: 5.3 uncompressed seems to huge
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16:09<vlsoft>valdyn: Well, this is already small enough to fit into 8M, at least in theory... Uncompressed kernel image booting won't work on x86 either... Maybe I'll go and try running OpenWRT on it, as those kernels run on ARM and MIPS hw. that has 8M to 16M of ram...
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16:10<valdyn>vlsoft: small enough to fit into 8M is not really what you need
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16:12<vlsoft>valdyn, at this point I would be happy to see boot it even up to the point where it would state it can't find the root FS, or it can't load init... Then I would know it can be done with a 2.6 kernel... With 2.4 and 2.2, it's a piece of cake.
16:13<albion>hi all, just installed debian stable with xfce, the gnome version picks up my wireless card, xfce doesnt have synaptic and im not familiar with using aptitude (need to make aptitude read from the dvd instead of online repositories) i know how to do this in synaptic but can't find the option in aptitude, any help much appreciated :)
16:14<vlsoft>Ok, I'm off to ask the kernel.org guys for some input :) Bye all!
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16:14<__Alex_>albion: You set that in /etc/soources.list
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16:15<__Alex_>with one !o!
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16:16<albion>__Alex_: I've only ever done it via GUI in synaptic (Ive set repositories in text editor, but not dvd source) how would I do this? :s
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16:17<__Alex_>Yep wil
16:17<__Alex_>Serry
16:17<__Alex_>I'm pretty sure it will work out of the box if it worked on the installer
16:17<crd>put the disc in the tray, then run `apt-cdrom add'
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16:20<albion>lol dvd won't mount, XFCE isn't playing very nice
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16:39<dta>hi, i've done a aptitude safe-upgrade a new grub version was installed with that, but grub-install fails: http://pb.rbfh.de/2rqVxeTb3zlEo (at the bottom) any ideas?
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16:45<jhutchins_lt>!noipv6
16:45<dpkg>To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel (excluding loongson-2f flavour), add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
16:47<koollman>when I was younger, ipv6-enabled stuff was considered nice. now ... people want ipv6-disabled as a feature :)
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16:53<Knorrie>huh
16:53<Knorrie>why?
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16:57<jthill>Hi, I can't find how to use a disk image file that contains a partition table. parted shows me they're there and all proper, and losetup put the whole thing on /dev/loop0, but how do I refer to the partitions?
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16:58<amphi>jthill: you need to use losetup with the correct offset for the beginning of a partition, and mount that partition
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16:59<amphi>fdisk or whatever will show the offsets in sectors of 512 bytes or some such; you need to calculate the offset in bytes for losetup, if I recall correctly - it's been a while since I did this
17:00<jthill>amphi: ok, I see it now, forgot to jfgi the darn thing. mount with an offset it is.
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17:03<jthill>amphi: hmmm, so to make the image from scratch I have to mkfs into a file and dd that to the partition offset in the image ... guess parted/fdisk making partitions in an image file led me to expect I could use them as easily as make them.
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17:05<amphi>jthill: I think you can create the partition 'device' with losetup, using the offset, and then just mlfs /dev/loopN
17:05<amphi>er, mkfs
17:05<amphi>it's losetup that takes the offset when it creates the loop device for the given partition
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17:06<amphi>as far as I remember
17:06<jthill>amphi: ooh, hey, I'll try that. thanks! now the option to find multiple loopback mounts of a file make sense to me
17:06<amphi>mount, mkfs, et al. just use the device configured with losetup
17:06<isa>je ne parle pas anglais
17:06<amphi>!fr
17:06<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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17:06<isa>tu peux me guder
17:07<isa>me guider
17:07<amphi>isa: /join #debian-fr
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17:07<albion>hmm is there a network manager front-end for xfce / other non-gnome installations? the only one coming up in synaptic is network-manager-gnome
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17:08<isa>je suis novice sur xubuntu
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17:09<babilen>!otherchalle isa #ubuntu-fr irc.freenode.net
17:09<babilen>!otherchannel isa #ubuntu-fr irc.freenode.net
17:09<dpkg>isa: The channel you are looking for is #ubuntu-fr on irc.freenode.net. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu-fr. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.freenode.net/#ubuntu-fr
17:09<sney>challe?
17:09<babilen>sney: oops ;)
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17:10<isa>un peu d'aide pour xubuntu merci
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17:10<sney>albion: well, there's wicd which is a different program... but I think I've used network-manager-gnome without actually having gnome installed
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17:11<albion>sney: thanks il try it, was just concerned about pulling in tons of libs etc, but on inspection there isn't THAT many
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17:15<deavid>anyone can explain to me why (in amd64 arch) in ia32-libs package there aren't any symbolic links created to the root names? i mean, libXft.so.2 hasn't any link to libXft.so; so, when i compile a program from 64bits to 32, i have to add it manually in order to compile (if not, g++ doesn't find the library).
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17:17<kop>deavid: You're probably supposed to use a compile flag to get that to happen automatically, like --arch= or some such. I'm not really up on the cross compiling. I know the emdebian people are into it and would know. There might also be something on the wiki. Hope that helps, otherwise I'm clueless.
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17:18<deavid>kop: i'm already using the siwtch, and g++ is looking for 32bits libraries. The problem is, that it looks for *.so or .a files, and that package doesn't have those filenames
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17:23<anbe>deavid, are you looking for ia32-libs-dev ?
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17:24<deavid>anbe: that package was installed too on the system
17:24<deavid>but i believe libXft.so should be on ia32-libs, because it has libXft.so.2
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17:25<deavid>i'm asking why it doesn't ship with *.so files or symbolic links, from libXft.so.2 to libXft.so
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17:25<deavid>i'm linking it manually ( sudo ln -s /usr/lib32/libXft.so.2 /usr/lib32/libXft.so ), and i'm wondering if it is the right thing to do
17:25<anbe>in Debian the *.so links are usually shipped in the lib*-dev packages
17:26<themill>deavid: library packages do not ship unversioned symlinks, only -dev packages do
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17:26<deavid>ok, thanks!
17:27<deavid>so the point is then, why libXft.so isn't there: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/ia32-libs-dev/filelist
17:27<themill>no idea. ia32-libs is a horrible PoS anyway....
17:27<deavid>because, i see that libXft.so.2 is in ia32-libs
17:27<deavid>is this a bug? should i file it?
17:28<themill>why are you trying to compile against 32bit stuff anyway?
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17:29<deavid>themill: i'm starting a free software project (a fork), and i'm making sure that everithing works: building for 32 or 64bits, cross compiling for windows, native compile for mac... and compiling to 32bits from 64.
17:29<deavid>and it compiles :-) but i had that problem with libXft
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17:30<themill>deavid: the bts has many similar bugs for other libs that are missing. Perhaps add that one to the list...
17:30<deavid>okey :-)
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17:31<anbe>ia32-libs* is going to be replaced by multiarch, I don't think filing more bugs against missing *.so links in ia32-libs-dev will help
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17:47<Golfgeo>Hi all :-)
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18:08<cl0ckw0rk>Does anyone have any good suggestions for cli network tools?
18:09<Nemoder>I guess that depends what you need, I like tshark for traffic analysis
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18:11<crd>wicd-curses is a very good wireless connection manager
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18:12<amphi>cl0ckw0rk: iptraf is another useful implement
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18:13<Guest13269>guys
18:13<Guest13269>hello
18:13<Guest13269>how are you?
18:13<Guest13269>i'm marcelo
18:13<Guest13269>I'm in london
18:13<streuner_>Guest13269: this is #debian, we support Debian, please respect that.
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18:14<themill>Guest13269: perhaps you were looking for #moocows for social chatter
18:14<Guest13269>I'm studying Debian..
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18:15<Guest13269>today I spended all my day in the library with my laptop and some books...
18:15<Guest13269>*spent
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18:15<Guest13269>studyind the commands
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18:16<Guest13269>I'm from Brasil and there we've got some banks and foundation like HUGE companys that gives free IT courses for free.
18:16<amphi>!debian reference
18:16<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference'
18:16<amphi>Guest13269: ^^^
18:17<Guest13269>and I was wondering If there is this kind of free course in London..
18:17<Guest13269>Does anyone know about Free IT courses in London...
18:17<Guest13269>Like Bradesco Foundation in Brasil..
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18:19<streuner_>Guest13269: well, i've never heard of any in germany, but maybe you should follow the advice of amphi
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18:20<streuner_>Guest13269: (just start to read what kind of docs Debian offers, there is plenty of docs about...)
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18:21<Guest13269>Yeah,,,,That what I'm doing...We've got a Brazilian Group in Yahoo and I printed 5 different book from there and some books in english as well...
18:21<cl0ckw0rk>thanks amphi crd & Nemoder... Right now I cant get mtr or mtr-tiny to install, gives me an error when I run apt-get
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18:22<Guest13269>The problem is that I used to work with linux 4 5 years ago.......Iptables samba apache....
18:22<babilen>Guest13269: I would also recommend http://debiansystem.info/ and http://www.ulule.com/debian-handbook/ (not yet)
18:22<cl0ckw0rk>trying to find some more intutitaive CLI tools for troubleshooting, PC is just a basic squeeze install for troubleshooting external resources
18:23<Guest13269>and I left the technical are to enjoy a opportunit in the PMI area ...and I forgot...lot of things...
18:23<babilen>Guest13269: Another good thing could be to find a local linux user group or a Debian one (http://wiki.debian.org/LocalGroups)
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18:25<Guest13269>That's been my first time enjoying IRC client and IRC network....
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18:26<Guest13269>Thanks babilen for your help/advice..
18:26<babilen>Guest13269: You are welcome. Enjoy your studies! ;)
18:27<babilen>!tell Guest13269 -about irc tutorial
18:27<babilen>Guest13269: You might also want to learn a bit about IRC ;)
18:27<Guest13269>I had found this website(http://wiki.debian.org/LocalGroups) before.....i accessed that site and when I click on my local group (UK).....my browser says that is impossible to open....
18:27<Guest13269>thats why I installed this Xchat..
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18:28<petemc>Guest13269: the link just takes you to information further down the page
18:28<petemc>or do you mean the irc:// link ?
18:28<streuner_>Guest13057: #debian-uk
18:28<babilen>Guest13269: Lonix is probably what you are looking for. You can also just scroll down that page. I am not sure how often Steve travels to London tough. You could also pop into #debian-uk
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18:29<niklas>hello ;)
18:29<Guest13269>the link for my local group is: irc://irc.debian.org/debian-uk
18:30<Guest13269>#debian-uk
18:30<streuner_>yes, and #debian-uk is just right here
18:30<streuner_>Guest13269: /j #debian-uk
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18:30<streuner_>Guest13269: or by mail -> debian-uk@chiark.greenend.org.uk
18:31<niklas>i have got a question, which does no have so much to do with debian. if i had bought "The Big Bang Theory: The Complete Fourth Season" out america, would i be able to play it with a german computer or dvd player?
18:31<nevyn>niklas: maybe.
18:31<nevyn>niklas: they are different dvd regions
18:32<streuner_>niklas: what kind of RC is that, or where did you bought that?
18:32<niklas>rc?
18:33<niklas>i will buy it from "amazon.com", it is cheap and i like to have it :D
18:33<niklas>but if i am not able to play it, i wont buy it :P
18:33<nevyn>niklas: so the answer is a definite maybe
18:33<streuner_>niklas: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=502554
18:34<nevyn>niklas: I don't know what the german situation is with regard to unlocked players here almost every dvd player you can buy is multiregion
18:34<streuner_>niklas: amazon.com is most likely RC1
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18:36<niklas>is there any posibility how i can proof, wether it is a "Multi-region"?
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18:36<streuner_>its on the website itself
18:37<niklas>where "streuner_"
18:38<streuner_>niklas: Region: Region 2 (This DVD may not be viewable outside Europe. Read more about
18:38<streuner_>for example
18:38<niklas>but i would like to have a one in two :P
18:38<niklas>but i will have a look at ;D thanks
18:39<streuner_>well, buy it in europe then :-)
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18:41<niklas>i think the problem has gone : i buy it out of uk or switherland, its europe, its 2 , and 2 runs on 2 xD, and it is cheaper :D, thanks
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18:43<babilen>niklas: I would recommend to discuss topics like this in an offtopic channel such as #debian-offtopic or #moocows :)
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18:43<niklas>hehe okay :D
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19:00<DaViD_k>Good night
19:00<DaViD_k>I need help about hdcp services not being start on Debian...
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19:01<cwood>dhcp?
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19:02<cwood>!br
19:02<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:02<streuner_>most likely
19:02<cwood>!dhcp
19:02<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about <dhcp client>.
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19:02<streuner_>DaViD_k: please show us your sources.list and the whole error you got in a pastebin
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19:09<DaViD_k>Please, i need help...
19:09<DaViD_k>and i'm Brazilian
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19:09<streuner_>yes, and answer our question
19:10<DaViD_k>and my english is sucks
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19:10<streuner_>!br
19:10<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:10<DaViD_k>no have peoples on debian-br for help-me
19:11<streuner_>well, if you answer questions like this, they arent able you then
19:12<DaViD_k>ok
19:12<streuner_>*to help
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19:13<DaViD_k>I usually install and configure the "dhcp3-server" following some instructions I saw on the internet. When i restart the service it gives an error and tells me to read the SISlog. Someone knows this problem or the solution of it?
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19:14<DaViD_k>I saw other people having the same problem but can not someone who has the solution. The squid I set up and it runs very well. My problem is the internal network to receive the internet. Working with two network cards and use ADSL connection.
19:15<DaViD_k>I apologize to the creator of Debian for not having studied more .... : P
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19:16<petemc>DaViD_k: tail -f /var/log/syslog ; /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server restart
19:17<DaViD_k>[petemc]: Thank´s! :)
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19:19<DaViD_k>has anyone here who could teach me how to configure debian (logical, I paid for it) how to configure web servers?
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19:22<petemc>DaViD_k: apt-get install apache2 , put your site in /var/www/
19:24<d4v1d_k>Thank´s for all petemc!
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19:24<streuner_>DaViD_k: there is http://www.debian.org/consultants/#Brazil
19:25<streuner_>DaViD_k: professional help, if you need that
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19:56<king_crimson>hi, i am interested in getting some software submitted as an official debian package and being it's maintainer. who should i get in touch with about that?
19:57<Golfgeo>got a small problem... My Athlon XP won't accept the powernow_k7 module, but also doesn't load the acpi_cpufreq module...
19:58<Golfgeo>Anyone ever seen that problem before?
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20:34<blarson_>king_crimson: If you want to be the Debian maintainer, #debian-mentors is the place to ask for help. Also see the mentors mailing list.
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20:51<microsoft>ooo
20:51<dvs>ban him!!!! ;-)
20:52<microsoft>-.-!!
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20:52<MrFrood>dvs: you scared him off
20:53<dvs>yeah!
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20:53<MrFrood>good work ;)
20:53<dvs>!next
20:53<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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21:50<Golfgeo>Hi all
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21:50<sney>hi
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21:58<manzano>Guys, Does anyone know what is noapic?
21:58<manzano>I've got a laptop Toshiba Satellite A30(really old) P4 512kb
21:59<manzano>but it's running Debian squeeze very well...
21:59<abrotman>!APIC
21:59<dpkg>APIC (Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs.
21:59<abrotman>noapic turns that off .. the obvious thing you'll notice is no more SMP
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22:00<manzano>I few days ago the main problem was that the computer was kind of freezing........It's was really weird..
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22:01<manzano>I could give any command in the prompt...but i needed to keeps moving the mouse...otherwise whatelse that I was doing on the prompt stopped to do......
22:02<sney>weird
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22:02<sney>well, noapic shouldn't make a difference on that machine since I don't think it even has hyperthreading
22:02<manzano>So, I read in one website sayind about this parameter noapic
22:02<sney>so if it fixes your problem, then there you go
22:03<manzano>I putted this parameter in the boot of linux and now my linux is really good...no problems any more..
22:03<abrotman>p4 probably does have HT .. and that's not all that APIC does
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22:04<manzano>My question is: what i Did putting this parameter in my linux?
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22:04<abrotman>!noapic
22:04<abrotman>bleh ..
22:04<manzano>Sorry for my english and feel really free to correct me(I'll appreciate if you correct me)
22:05<abrotman>manzano: that command turns off APIC
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22:09<manzano>What command could I send you guys to try to sort out more information and to understand a little bit more about this problem?
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22:19<manzano>What I understood about APIC is that it function/option gives to your computer the possibility to have more IRQ channels.
22:19<manzano>that is OK...i dont want to go so deep in that subject
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22:20<manzano>but there is one more thing that I want to sort out on my notebook.
22:20<manzano>is possible to see that the cooler turns on and OFF frequently...
22:20<abrotman>with acpi
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22:20<abrotman>?
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22:22<manzano>Do you guys know what is the problem? I read that maybe the machine is old and has too much dirty things on the cooler.
22:23<manzano>but I wanted too check via commands first if it's some technical configuration problem
22:25<manzano>I am talking to you guys now from a different computer but I am installing the "Xchat" on the problematic computer to be easier to sort out it
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22:37<Golfgeo>Having trouble with cpufrequtils and setting it up so will select the ondemand as default govnor... Added info from sample to /etc/default/cpufrequtils... but it keeps on selecting the preformance gov...
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22:43<Xdept>Hey
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22:46<Golfgeo>Hi
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22:51<rjsalts>Is there any way to suppress the unhelpful message about "X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0" when you don't care about X11 forwarding without turning off the ForwardX11 for hosts that do have X installed?
22:51<rjsalts>in ssh that is
22:52<Hydroxide>rjsalts: yeah. use -x to disable the forwarding, or add ForwardX11 no to the relevant bit in ~/.ssh/config
22:52<Hydroxide>like for the specific host
22:52<Hydroxide>I'm presuming you've enabled ssh X11 forwarding by default, since I don't think that's the norm on the client side at least
22:53<rjsalts>Hydroxide: I realized I can do that, I'm wondering if I can make it attempt the X Forwarding but then not bug me about it if it fails
22:54<Hydroxide>rjsalts: that I'm not sure about, but maybe. check the ssh_config man page for all the options
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22:55<rjsalts>It's a recent change in openssh, it never used to bug me
22:56<Hydroxide>if it's a recent change, there's probably an option to disable it
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22:56<Hydroxide>again, check the man page I pointed you to.
22:57<rjsalts>I've read the man page
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22:58<sney>rjsalts: what about redirecting stderr to /dev/null
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23:01<rjsalts>sney: that will work, maybe a bash alias ssh='ssh $@ 2> /dev/null' is in order
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23:04<gsimmons>Golfgeo: You might be hitting #561584. Is the ondemand governor actually available for your system? (cpufreq-info -g)
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23:10<Xdept>Can anyone help me? I want to know how to make a .dsc file
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23:36<debsan>Xdept, you can try pbuilder. pbuilder build /path/to/file.dsc
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23:36<Xdept>Yup, I have builder installed. I want to build a dsc from a tarball
23:37<Xdept>Well, Want to build a .deb
23:37<debsan>ok you should read the new maint guide
23:38<debsan>Xdept, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
23:38<supersal>what do people generally mean when they say "go to the installation directory" with respect to daemons on unix type filesystems? i'm trying to follow some directions and that's what i'm told to do... is it likely to mean "where the working directory is" or "where the program is installed" or something else?
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23:40<sney>supersal: if a unix program has an "installation directory" it's either in /opt, /usr/local, or your home directory
23:41<Xdept>debsan: I just need know how to make the .dsc
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23:42<supersal>thanks sney
23:44<debsan>Xdept, ok, well the .dsc would be automatically create when you build the package. You can run dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc o without parameters if you want to sign it with a gpg key
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23:45<Xdept>debsan: Thanks, I'll have a go now
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23:46<debsan>Xdept, you might want to read the guide if your package is written in python, ruby, etc
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23:50<Xdept>debsan: Yeah, Some if it is in perl
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