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00:22<grepper>Hi all. Its been a while since I updated my kernel (2.6.32 on debian sid). What kernel is it suggested to use atm ?
00:23<boba>I believe squeeze has 2.6.32 last time I checked?
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00:24<grepper>hm, I was hoping to upgrade from there, thinking maybe it would address an issue I'm having, though it may not be related to kernel at all
00:24<grepper>using 2.6.32-5 atm
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00:30<boba>2.6.32+29 it looks like
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00:32<grepper>hm, I'm not even sure how to search for the latest 2.6 kernel on sid/unstable
00:33<grepper>would it be linux-image-686-pae ?
00:33<grepper>apt-cache show doesn't really show which kernel version that is
00:34<grepper>pool/main/l/linux-latest-2.6/linux-image-686-pae_3.0.0+40_i386.deb
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00:41<gsimmons>grepper: linux-image-686-pae is a meta-package, look at its dependency. wheezy/sid questions are also better suited for #debian-next.
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01:32<grepper>gsimmons: thanks. I try #debian-next.
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02:11<Naluz>hi!
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02:35<gharikna>Hey folks! Is it possible to do a net-install of lenny(!) with the squeeze Installer? Doing a remote PXE boot here, and need Lenny deployed.
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02:41<riley>hey- guys, what happens if i make the subnetmask "too big"
02:41<riley>like 255.255.0.0 instead of 255.255.254.0
02:42<riley>so like: /16 vs /23
02:42<gsimmons>gharikna: A lenny-support udeb is available (boot with 'suite=lenny'), but IME installation of GRUB will fail. Are you unable to use the 5.0.9 netboot images?
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02:42<gharikna>*mumbles something about company policy*
02:43<riley>anybody?
02:43<gharikna>ill try the suite=lenny part :)
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02:43<gharikna>Thank you so much.
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02:53<gdb>riley: Generally nothing. However, it won't route properly to machines that are on the network that's outside the scope of the intended netmask. Meaning, it will not route packets to the default gateway for addresses that it expects to be on the local network (everything in the scope of the "too big" netmask).
02:54<gdb>riley: if this is a home network, you won't notice any difference (likely). If it's a work network and you need to talk to machines on subnets closer to yours that are in the scope of the bad mask, then they will be inaccessible.
02:54<riley__>it's a corporate network
02:54<riley__>10.x.x.x
02:54<riley__>i think i can get away with /23
02:55<gdb>(It's also easy to change to the correct value without rebooting).
02:55<gdb>If you prefer.
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03:01<Naluz>hola????
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03:40<weasel>now that we are in a more appropriate place, maybe you can try this again.
03:40<edong23_>madduck: i wasnt trying to offend...
03:40<madduck>edong23_: no worries. we're debian. we are hard to handle. ;)
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03:41<edong23_>its hit or miss in irc, whether you should even enter a channel sometimes without getting flamed
03:41<weasel>it's not our fault if people walk into our living room uninvited and demand to get served...
03:41<edong23_>weasel: i wasnt demanding anything
03:41<edong23_>and im not angry
03:41<weasel>yes you were.
03:41<edong23_>oh, ok
03:41<edong23_>i forgot
03:41<weasel>anyway. how about you describe your problem
03:42<edong23_>the issue is, 5 drives i took a power hit, supply rail failed.. 2 drives md thinks is failed
03:42<edong23_>i have dealt with 1 drive failure before.. but not 2...
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03:43<weasel>mdadm lets you start the array with --force, probably
03:43<weasel>who knows what'll happen to your data, but hey..
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03:44<madduck>edong23_: well, 2/3 drives gone from a raid5 means it is dead
03:44<madduck>mostly
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03:44<madduck>if you are lucky, you can re-assemble it
03:44<edong23_>but thats what im saying
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03:44<edong23_>the drives arent dead...
03:44<madduck>edong23_: but the array may well be.
03:44<madduck>anyway, here is what I would do:
03:44<edong23_>yeah...
03:44<madduck>1. image the drives
03:45<madduck>(if you can)
03:45<edong23_>i cant
03:45<edong23_>i dont have the money...
03:45<edong23_>but proceed
03:46<madduck>rmmod raid456 mdraid md
03:46<madduck>(remove all modules)
03:46<madduck>oh, not necessary!
03:46<madduck>echo 1 > /sys/module/md_mod/parameters/start_dirty_degraded
03:46<madduck>sorry
03:46<madduck>and then
03:46<edong23_>im reading first, so no harm
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03:46<madduck>mdadm -A /dev/md0 --readonly --force /dev/sd[abc]1
03:47<edong23_>hm... readonly....
03:47<edong23_>interesting..
03:47<madduck>well, until you find out that it is not harmed
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03:47<madduck>then I would suggest you run a checkarray
03:47<madduck>/usr/share/mdadm/checkarray md0
03:47<madduck>and then a read-only filesystem check
03:48<edong23_>yar
03:48<edong23_>good stuff
03:48<madduck>fsck
03:48<madduck>oh
03:48<edong23_>ill give that a shot...
03:48<ale>silence
03:48<madduck>fsck -n
03:48<edong23_>if all else fails, i may have lost my data... but if i can possibly get it back, i would like to
03:48<edong23_>thanks for the help
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03:49<madduck>edong23_: raid is *not* a backup solution.
03:49<madduck>you may need --run in the above mdadm -A call
03:49<edong23_>i know, but i cant afford to by 10 terabytes of space
03:49<edong23_>you know...
03:49<edong23_>this is home use
03:49<edong23_>media storage
03:50<edong23_>if i lost it.. i lost it..
03:50<madduck>and as soon as you know that everything is fine, you can remount read-write
03:50<madduck>check the manpage
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03:50<edong23_>when my bluray burner gets here, i might have a solution
03:50<gharikna>Well installing lenny with suite=lenny worked like a charm. Thanks again!
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03:55<ale>SILENCE pls
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03:59<madduck>ale: go join #silence.
04:00<edong23_>madduck: well
04:00<edong23_>i think i messed up
04:00<edong23_>but i appreciate your help
04:01<edong23_>and apologize to the devel guys, i wasnt trying to intrude, only get ahold of someone like you that knows about mdadm
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04:01<madduck>edong23_: now you know for the future
04:01<madduck>anyway, what happened?
04:01<edong23_>grrr
04:01<madduck>show me a "screenshot"
04:01<edong23_>well
04:01<edong23_>haha
04:02<edong23_>let me tell you the whole story
04:02<edong23_>i had 4 1tb drives in raid 5...
04:02<edong23_>on my old computer
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04:02<edong23_>i built a new computer, and put those +1 in it, and use a solid state drive for my system drive...
04:02<edong23_>the new computer uses dramatically more power
04:03<edong23_>my 350watt powersupply sputtered... at a very bad time
04:03<edong23_>while my raid 5 array was reshaping for the added 1tb drive
04:03<edong23_>making it 5 drives
04:03<edong23_>2 drives "reset"
04:03<edong23_>along with other peripherals on my system
04:03<amitz>dude(tte), join #debian-offtopic
04:04<edong23_>i now have a 1200 watt psu (overkill i know)
04:04<edong23_>but.. when i just now brought up the array, i may have messed up
04:04<edong23_>cause i forgot to bring it up with the 5th drive
04:04<edong23_>lol
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04:04<edong23_>now it is resyncing
04:04<edong23_>i may have screwed up
04:05<edong23_>but if i had any chance of data surviving... ill just let it finish and hope mdadm knows what it is doing.. if not.. i lost the data
04:05<edong23_>i wont cry though
04:05<edong23_>just alot of torrenting
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04:11<babilen>!tell edong23_ -about enter
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04:30<edong23_>babilen: thanks..
04:30<edong23_>i could see how thats annoying
04:30<edong23_>i did it again too
04:31<babilen>edong23_: Just tried to figure out if you need any help, but am not going to read that wall of text ;)
04:32<edong23_>babilen: i think me and madduck got it figured out, i lost my data, im screwed pootch, no backups, but i couldnt backup... impossible really... not cost effective, so ill be torrenting for the next several weeks to make up for my recent 2 drive dump
04:32<babilen>ok
04:33<ayaka>babilen, hello
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04:33<chanquete>ola
04:33<ayaka>babilen, can I ask you a few questions?
04:33<edong23_>i think ill just take this chance to go ahead and just pick up 3 3tb western digital drives... and start fresh, rather than these dated 5 or 6 1tb drives.. but.. i appreciate the offer.. maybe this is a reason for me to actually do backups
04:33<chanquete>ola
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04:39<ale>unit #Democraciarealya
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04:43<gabri>la conchitaa peluditaa
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04:44<gabri>#La
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04:45<ayaka>gabri, which are you language?
04:46<gabri>spanish
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04:56<ayaka>!spanish
04:56<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
04:57<ale>yo me meto donde me de la gana internet es libre y este programa tambien
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04:58<gabri>jajajajaa qo al cerebro e te follen ija de puta como nabos de mierda zampa bollos qe estas tan gordo q la grasa te ha llega
04:58<gabri>llegao al cerebro
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04:58<ale>jajajajaja
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05:25<sml>I have a question about the 2.6.39_3.0.0-3 linux image (or whatever its' called!). I grabbed the source, via apt-get source, but when I try and use build-dep it complains that gcc 4.5 is needed and can't be found. Is it possible to build kernel 3.0 without jumping through any hoops on Squeeze? I already have backports in my sources so gcc 4.5 can't be in there.
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05:28<mega>ola
05:28<mega>hay alguien
05:29<rpetre>!es
05:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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05:29<babilen>!es-social
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05:29<mega>l
05:29<sml>versions gcc
05:30<mega>?????????????????????
05:30<babilen>!es-social mega
05:30<dpkg>mega: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
05:30<mega>?????????????????????????????
05:30<mega>no lo pillo
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05:31<sml>OK it looks like gcc >= 4.5 is only in wheezy and sid. so I'm not going to be able to build myself a 3.0 kernel the debian way..
05:32<jm_>why's that?
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05:33<sml>jm_: why's what?
05:34<jm_>sml: why wouldn't old gcc work?
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05:35<sml>jm_: Not sure. I mean maybe it does and the dependency info is wrong? I just grabbed the source from wheezy, and then ran apt-get build-dep and it comaplined that gcc 4.5 was needed yet not available. And at that point wasn't sure what to do about it
05:37<babilen>jm_: The package declares "Build-Depends: ... gcc-4.4 [alpha hppa m68k], gcc-4.5 [amd64 armel armhf i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390 s390x sh4 sparc sparc64] ...
05:37<sml>wot he said
05:37<sml>:)
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05:38<jm_>sml: right, kernel itself needs gcc 3.2 or somesuch
05:39<jm_>obviously it may be different for all the architectures debian supports
05:39<babilen>sml: I am not sure if just changing the build-depends to gcc-4.4 would do you any good. There might be a good reason for this, but it might also just be the case that both are possible, but that gcc-4.5 provides desirable features over gcc-4.4 on those architectures.
05:39<sml>I'm on amd64. But is there a solution or do I need to pull in gcc from testing?
05:40<babilen>sml: I am, furthermore, not sure how well the udev version in squeeze plays with the 3.* kernel(s), you'll definitely need a new version of linux-base
05:40<sml>babilen: is there a good way to proceed from here or am I just simply better of waiting for a bpo kernel ?
05:40<babilen>sml: Do you need 3.* ?
05:41<sml>babilen: sadly I do.. to solve an annoyance. But it's not what I'd call critcal
05:41<sml>critical
05:42<babilen>sml: What is it? Surely waiting for a bdo kernel is the easiest way. But there is no harm in just trying to adapt the build-depends to use gcc-4.4 and testing it for yourself IMHO
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05:44<babilen>sml: What I mean is something like: "Build-Depends: ... gcc-4.4 [amd64 [alpha hppa m68k], gcc-4.5 [armel armhf i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390 s390x sh4 sparc sparc64]
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05:45<sml>babilen: I'll try it. What's the worst that can happen?
05:45<sml>;-)
05:46<babilen>sml: You could also backport gcc-4.5, but you'll need to backport dpkg-dev, libmpfr-dev and libgmp-dev as well. (/msg dpkg ssb for instructions) -- In particular backport libgmp-dev first and install it, then libmpfr-dev and finally dpkg-dev and gcc-4.5
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05:47<babilen>sml: The worst that could happen is that your computer turns into a pink kitten that wants to cuddle. Apart from that it might turn out that the build is failing or that the kernel is not working as expected.
05:47<rpetre>sml: or try to dig out when gcc-4.5 was added as a build-dep and why :)
05:47<babilen>... or just accept the annoyance and wait ;)
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05:47<babilen>rpetre: yeah! +1
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05:52<Black_Prince>probably because 4.4 is old and will be removed from wheezy ...
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05:52<babilen>will it?
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05:53<Black_Prince>Well, why should one keep 3 versions of compiler on a system?
05:53<Black_Prince>iirc, squeeze had only 4.4 and 4.3 ...
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05:54<babilen>I understand your argument, I am just not following gcc-* packaging that closely and thought that you have additional information.
05:54<Black_Prince>I don't have ...
05:54<Black_Prince>judd, versions gcc
05:55<judd>Package: gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.6.1-2; sid: 4:4.6.1-3
05:55<Black_Prince>Mhm, lenny had 4.3 already, which was one used for squeeze to compile 2.6.32 kernel, thus backport was so easy. But, I am not aware if 3.0 requires any newer features that are not available in 4.4 series ...
05:55<Black_Prince>I compiled 3.0 with 4.4 without any problems ...
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06:10<babilen>sml: Another thing you could try is: 1. Set your default-release to squeeze (/msg dpkg default release) 2. Add sid sources to your sources.list 3. apt-get update 4. apt-get -t sid install linux-image-3.0.0-1-amd64
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06:10<babilen>sml: Just make sure to install *only* the kernel and dependencies from sid
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06:15<nocturnal>what filesystem would be recommended for sizes up to 50TB?
06:16<koollman>I would recommend to run away while you can
06:16<nocturnal>=D
06:16<nocturnal>I was thinking xfs or reiserfs, running is not an option
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06:17<koollman>in my experience, all FS have troubles. all those troubles get worse when the FS is big
06:17<jm_>it sure is if you pick reiserfs
06:17<nocturnal>zing!
06:17<koollman>in company the policy is to avoid anything bigger than 10TB (and we are redesigning some servers to get to smaller fs size)
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06:17<koollman>*in my
06:17<nocturnal>koollman: interesting
06:18*babilen wouldn't recommend reiserfs -- xfs, jfs and ext4 are sensible choices. I can, however, not really comment on the merits of each of them.
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06:18<koollman>you can usually design easily enough around that limit. And reconstructing, fsck-ing or restoring 10TB is hard enough
06:18<koollman>(not mentionning simply backuping it in the first place :) )
06:19<nocturnal>so you recommend dividing up the storage in smaller chunks basically
06:19<koollman>yes
06:19<koollman>that said, I would recommend xfs or ext4
06:19<nocturnal>thanks
06:19<koollman>(I have more experience with xfs, but ext4 is solid too so far)
06:19<koollman>and yes, avoir reiserfs
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06:20<nocturnal>ext4 did cross my mind but I have no experience with either one and I wasn't sure how far along ext4 had come
06:20<koollman>*avoid
06:20<nocturnal>since I last heard of it
06:20<koollman>simple. it's the default stable linux filesystem.
06:20<koollman>it replaced ext3, if you want.
06:20<nocturnal>oh, I thought ext3 was, but maybe ext4 is just the latest version
06:20<nocturnal>would I see ext4 in mount output? because I see ext3 on all my debian 6 systems.
06:20<jm_>nocturnal: debian defaults to ext3
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06:21<koollman>you would see it, yes. debian is 'a bit' conservative ;)
06:21<nocturnal>I see
06:21<nocturnal>thanks
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06:21<nocturnal>because for a while I suspected ext4 was just a new version of ext3 and the name wouldn't change.
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06:22<koollman>but you can convert easily enough from ext3 to ext4 (which is much harder with other FS)
06:22<Black_Prince>nocturnal, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388
06:22<Black_Prince>And just s/ext3/ext4/ ...
06:23<koollman>Black_Prince: that's a bit unfair. ext4 *has* improvments :)
06:23<Black_Prince>Add them too ...
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06:23<nocturnal>thank you Black_Prince
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06:24<Black_Prince>I'd still choose xfs over reiserfs ...
06:24<koollman>yes
06:24<Black_Prince>(kernel.org servers use xfs)
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06:24<jm_>even the rebuilt ones?
06:25<Black_Prince>probably ... If not s/use/used/ ...
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06:26<amitz>even ext4 of debian, iirc, turns of a certain bit that can greatly boost performance (in expense of reliability if power loss), iirc.
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06:27<Black_Prince>I think that I am on ext4 right now ...
06:27<jm_>writeback?
06:27<nocturnal>atime?
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06:27<amitz>I can't recall atm.
06:28<nocturnal>I guess access time has little to do with reliability
06:28<Black_Prince>Yes ... I had 3 power failures in one day ... No errors, just journaling needed to be restored, which e2fsck did ... I use noatime ...
06:28<nocturnal>but thanks for all your opinions
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06:32<amitz>seeing the interest, I googled around about the ext4 bit that is turned off in debian, can't find any. So please accept what I said tentatively.
06:33<Black_Prince>Debian squeeze has ext4 support ... Lenny does not
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06:38<zimbo>אַ גוט יאָר, ווי זענען איר, טוט איר פֿאַרשטיין ייִדיש?
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06:38<zimbo>is there a debian support channel in the yiddish language?
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06:50<babilen>sml: I guess the pull-it-from-sid approach is the best and easiest
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06:58<Mulauzi>hello guys I'm trying to set up evolution, but I cannot fetch mail because I apparently have no internet connection. I have a feeling it's the evil gnome network manager telling lies ... what can I do
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07:02<Black_Prince>Mulauzi, do you use network manager for connecting to internet or something else?
07:02<babilen>Mulauzi: IIRC evolution has a "Work offline" or "Work online" switch ... But *do* you have a network connection? How is it configured?
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07:03<Mulauzi>yeah ofcourse I am online ^^
07:03<Mulauzi>I did it manually sometime ago
07:04<babilen>Please elaborate
07:04<Mulauzi>with ifconfig
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07:05<babilen>Mulauzi: Do you plan to connect "manually" in the future? Why is network-manager installed/running if you don't want to use it? Do you actually plan not to use it? What kind of box is this and what is your network topology?
07:05<Black_Prince>Mulauzi, wrong ... Evolution expect from you to be connected via network manager to use it ...
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07:05<Mulauzi>okay I'm gonna try and set up the network manager then
07:05<babilen>Black_Prince: I guess it just asks a running n-m if it is connected -- Shouldn't be a problem to use it when n-m is not running IMHO
07:06<Black_Prince>babilen, correct ...
07:06<Black_Prince>AFK, catching bus ...
07:06<babilen>Mulauzi: You don't have to -- I am asking you about your needs and wishes. It might turn out that the best approach is to configure your interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces and just remove network-manager, but that depends on your setup.
07:06<babilen>Black_Prince: cya
07:07<Mulauzi>this version of network manager is shit, u
07:07<Mulauzi>i punched in the info and it still just sits there
07:07<Black_Prince>There is backported version of network-manager in squeeze ...
07:08<Mulauzi>I would just *disable* it but I frankly don't know where to look
07:08<babilen>Mulauzi: What kind of networks do you need to connect to? Do they change?
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07:08<Mulauzi>no i never move and i have a static ip
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07:08<Mulauzi>its all set up and not gonna change
07:09<babilen>Mulauzi: ethernet?
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07:09<debian_>Hello
07:09<Mulauzi>I want to try and disable this network manager applet, any idea where to do that ?
07:09<babilen>Mulauzi: In that case read "man 5 interfaces" and http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration to learn how to configure your interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces -- You can just remove/purge network-manager and live without it.
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07:10<Mulauzi>okay, I'll just kick it out then. thanks for being so helpful :)
07:10<blebla>widzisz
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07:10<babilen>Mulauzi: Right click it and uncheck "Enable Networking" -- but just remove network-manager if you don't want to use it at all
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07:10<student>siema
07:10<debian_>yo
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07:10<blebla>yo
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07:11<blebla>ccna
07:11<student>nope
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07:11<student>yo qmaster
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07:11<student>lolwut
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07:11<Mulauzi>ehem so I guess I will have to remove the package network-manager-gnome ? there's several .. and I never really know =/
07:11<babilen>student, debian_, blebla: This is not a social chat channel. Take it somewhere else. And btw, I know that you are *all* connecting from the same host. Just play elsewhere
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07:11<student_>ddsa
07:12<student__>:)
07:12<student>yo
07:12<blebla>siema
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07:12<Mulauzi>by the way, babilen, "enable networking" doesn't seem to do anything
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07:13<Mulauzi>I would just upgrade my debian but it seems such a hassle for a minor fix
07:13<babilen>Mulauzi: Yeah, n-m will still not tell evolution that it is managing an active connection. (because it is not) -- but IIRC evolution had a "work online" or "work offline" switch
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07:14<Mulauzi>I removed the network-manager-gnome package, going to restart and report if it fixed the problem
07:14<Mulauzi>cya in a bit
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07:18<Mulauzi>sigh ... the applet is gone but evolution still thinks I am offline .. can't switch to online mode
07:18<babilen>Mulauzi: Why not?
07:19<Mulauzi>its just grey
07:19<Mulauzi>can't hit it
07:19<babilen>AKA: What happens if you try? What do you do exactly? Is network-manager completely gone? (aptitude purge ~i~nnetwork-manager)
07:19<Mulauzi>ooh
07:20<Mulauzi>so i have to remove the whole network-manager package ? i just kicked out network-manager-gnome .. didn't want to break things =/
07:21<babilen>Mulauzi: Sure remove it. You don't use it and don't need it.
07:21<Mulauzi>already in the process of doing so
07:21<Mulauzi>brb
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07:24<Mulauzi>yeah, I am back, problem solved. Thanks
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07:24<babilen>Mulauzi: Wonderful, may you have a nice day!
07:25<Mulauzi>you too :>
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07:35<Wayny>I am going to install squeeze but need the backported 2.6.39 kernel. How do you advise me to proceed? Just install squeeze and then manually install the backported kernel?
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07:35<themill>!kmuto
07:35<dpkg>Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03
07:35<themill>^^ that would be easier
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07:36<Wayny>themill: unfortunately, it contains non-free bits as far as I have read... :(
07:37<Wayny>themill: Is there any more alternative?
07:37<themill>you either need the firmware packages or you don't install them. It's a bit of a non-issue, really.
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07:38<Wayny>themill: when installing in expert mode, does the installer inform me clearly whether I am about to install proprietary stuff?
07:38<themill>it's the same installer
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07:38<themill>You can, of course, just install the backports kernel afterwards, providing you have a means of obtaining it.
07:39<Wayny>themill: do you see any disadvantage in just installing linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 after installing from official squeeze image?
07:40<themill>if the kernel on the regular install image doesn't support your network card, then that's a bit of a pain.
07:40<themill>otherwise, it's just the same
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07:42<Wayny>themill: thanks
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07:46<sml>babilen: thanks for the thoughts. If I knew how long it would take a 3 kernel to hit stable or backports I'd know whether it's worth pulling from sid. Of course I could just get the un-debianed source and build that? Or is that asking for problems? I don't know what Debian do to the kernel if anything
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07:50<jm_>I always use kernel.org kernels and never had any issues
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07:51<sml>jm_: so, to aid my understanding, what are the real world differences between using make-kpkg on an "apt-get source"'d copy of the source compared to me just grabbing it from kernel.org? Other than it being outside of the package management system?
07:51<sml>I guess all the testing teh chaps at Debian have done
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07:53<jm_>sml: that and a few extra patches
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07:55<sml>I think you can view the patches some place. in fact I seem to recall there are QUITE a lot of extra patches
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07:56<jm_>not sure if kernel team has a repository on-line like some other packages do
07:57<jm_>they do http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/kernel/
07:58<sml>jm_: ta
07:59<jm_>possibly this http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/kernel/dists/sid/linux-2.6/debian/patches/
07:59<sml>setting a default release in apt. is that still necessary in squeeze? I've not set a default release and have source lines for wheezy but only src.
08:00<jm_>sml: that's useful if several versions are mentioned in sources.list
08:00<jm_>but is not necessary in general
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08:00<sml>jm_: Oh I see. Thanks.
08:01<jm_>sml: no worries
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08:04<floyd___>Hey. I have an aptitude question.. Using it offline, it queues packages for later installation. Is there some way to unqueue packages without downloading them?
08:07<jm_>UI has Actions -> Cancel pending actions
08:07<jm_>no idea if that is it - I never use the UI
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08:08<floyd___>i read the man page with a scope but it didn't occur to me to try the ui.. do'h!
08:09<jm_>yeah I looked at the man page too but haven't noticed something similar
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08:10<jm_>ahh keep-all: Cancels all scheduled actions on all packages
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08:10<themill>floyd___: telling aptitude to do the opposite action with --schedule-only is probably what you want.
08:10<themill>or that
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08:12<floyd___>ah, thanks. Ill try all of those tips as soon as my other packages are downloaded (thank god for hold as a temporary measure. dont want ~2gb extra on this adsl lol)
08:12<babilen>jm_, sml: http://paste.debian.net/135958/ ← list of patches
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08:13<babilen>jm_, sml: Ah, you found it already :)
08:13<jm_>babilen: yup, found those in SVN but here they are all on one page
08:13<babilen>sml: You need to set the default release if you add binary repos
08:13<yang_>hi jm
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08:21<loke>I'm getting ridiculously slow rsync transfers speeds (500-100kB/s) with to/from squeeze over 100mbit LAN, any ideas?
08:21<sml>babilen: ah, ok. that makes sense. Yeah I've never tried adding multiple binary repos. always seemed dangerous in my mind. but that's probably how you run a mixed system?
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08:24<sml>I think I'll just wait. It's just I've got a bit of hardware that's flaky (up and down like a yoyo) and it's native in kernel 3
08:25<sml>so was hoping that the kernel code would be a bit better than the manufacturer's driver
08:25<babilen>sml: It is and it is not recommended to mix stable with anything *but* backports. The kernel is different and you should make sure that you only pull it and its dependencies from sid.
08:26<sml>If I upgrade linux-base and the firmware packages etc is it hard to DOWNGRADE them again if something goes wrong?
08:26<babilen>sml: It is up to you in the end -- Just wanted to share my thoughts. Btw, backporting the kernel to squeeze is a bit harder than expected if you do not backport gcc-4.5 as well.
08:26<sml>babilen: I figured that last night when apt said the dep was on gcc-4.5
08:26<babilen>sml: I haven't done that, so I can and will not make any assumptions.
08:27<sml>well black_prince said he'd compiled it fine with gcc-4.4 but you know.. i can live with the flakyness of my wireless driver for now
08:27<babilen>sml: It is possible, but you also need to edit debian/config/defines in addition to debian/control in the source package. All in all it looks as if pulling the kernel directly from sid is the easiest approach.
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08:28<sml>it comes back again soon enough after. it's just sometimes it disconnects me from the wireless lan. there is a solution! use WIRED ;-)
08:28<sml>more secure and faster anyway
08:29<babilen>ack
08:29<sml>babilen: thanks for your thoughts on the matter though. It's certainly helped me decide what's best. On this occasion I'm going to just be patient and wait for it to be backported or the manufacturer to fix the bugs and release a new driver
08:29<babilen>sml: Well, you know your options now :)
08:29<sml>indeed. I can make an informed decision to do NOTHING :)
08:29<babilen>Good luck!
08:29<babilen>hehe
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08:37<maciek>hi
08:37<maciek>i've got some problems with creating deb package
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08:38<maciek>when i'm installing it it end with errors that .dpkg-new file couldn't have been created
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08:40<loke>when I run dpkg-reconfigure locale I get that locale is not installed, how can I fix this?
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08:41<jm_>loke: package name is "locales"
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08:46<loke>jm_: locales is installed, if i try to reinstall i get perl warnings that setting locale fails, and cannot set LC_CTYPE and LC_ALL: No such file or dir
08:46<jm_>loke: the point was that you need to type "dpkg-reconfigure locales"
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08:49<jm_>but off now
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08:50<loke>ok, typo on my part, i run dpkg-reconfigure locales, go through the setup, and it exits with 'generating locales', perl warnings: settings locale failed, falling back to standard locale
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09:14<anbe>loke, please pastebin the output of "dpkg-reconfigure locales" (starting with "generating locales" after the debconf questions have been answered) and "locale" and "grep -v ^# /etc/locale.gen"
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09:39<loke>anbe: http://pastebin.com/qMKXXGAt
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09:39<loke>grepping locale.gen won't do much good, i just tried a configure with all locales
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09:40<antonio>dopo un aggiornamento da gestore aggiornamenti, quando arresto il sistema mi dice firefox-bin in esecuzione attendere fine ma non si spegne.devo forzare per spegner il pc.
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09:42<anbe>!it antonio
09:42<antonio>canale italiano?
09:42<anbe>!it
09:42<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
09:43<antonio>ok
09:43<anbe>loke, what is the output before "Generation complete." ?
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09:48<loke>anbe: [all locales] ... done
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09:48<loke>you want the full list ?
09:48<anbe>does it contain en_US.UTF-8?
09:49<loke>yes
09:49<anbe>oh, wait, yout LC_CTYPE is invalid
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09:51<loke>ok, should I just set it to en_US.UTF-8 and reconfigure ?
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09:52<anbe>just set it to en_US.UTF-8 (also in the location where this was originally set) and you should be fine
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09:56<loke>anbe: cheers!
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10:07<creiss>Hey folks :). Doing a weird PXE-Netbook installation of Lenny with a squeeze installer here. (Using preseed). All is well except for grub, which fails because the flag "--force" is used. Is there a (preseed) way to define the grub-installer flags? (Or: Where does the --force come from?)
10:09<loke>I'm getting rsync transfer speeds in the 100-500kB/s range to/from squeeze over 100mbit LAN. any ideas ?
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10:18<amitz>loke: have you tried dropping the -z option?
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10:18<amitz>if your processor sucks at at least one point.
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10:27<anbe>loke, iirc there is 'netio' (no debian package, need to compile it yourself) that can measure bandwidth
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10:34<loke>amitz: i'm not using the -z option
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10:36<rpetre>anbe: iperf is a great tool as well (and it's packaged)
10:36<loke>anbe: i can check that out, but i have two eth's, and its the same for both, so i don't think its hw/cables
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10:45<anbe>rpetre, thanks for the hint, I'll try this next time I need it
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10:48<Wayny>is there a website explaining what BIOS settings are recommended for a PC running Debian? For example "Execution Prevention" ?
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10:51<anbe>loke, rsync speed also depends on the speed and utilization of your I/O subsystem (filesystem, disks, ...), and CPU (compression enabled?) so it may not be a perfect network bandwidth test
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11:01<quartz176>I need your help!
11:01<quartz176>http://www.gratispremium.info/?ref=444716
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11:09<loke>anbe: i am not using compression, and cpu load is close to nothing for ssh/rsync. also, I am getting twice the speed through the wifi, so it's not the filesystem capping it
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11:11<greidy>hola una pregunta como puedo instalar español a mi internet iceweasel?
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11:12<daemonkeeper>!es
11:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:12<Wayny>do I have to expect any greater trouble when mounting / with noatime ? (except with maybe some mail programs...)
11:13<greidy>gracias
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11:18<vrkalak>!espanol
11:18<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:19<vrkalak>thanks, bot-dude
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12:44<Nik05>guys how do i move all files in a subdir of a directory?
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12:45<Nik05>just mv * /subdir ?
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12:47<cthuluh>Nik05: compare what you said with: "How do I move all plain files in the current dir to a subdirectory of this current dir?"
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12:48<Nik05>wait just mv * subdir...?
12:49<Nik05>root is / -_-
12:51<cthuluh>Nik05: I was implying that you should be more precise
12:51<wompa>I'm trying to make a local Debian repository for Squeeze using apt-mirror ( http://apt-mirror.sourceforge.net/ ), I have downloaded about 30 GiB. The Debian installer fails to locate files. Do I need to mirror more than just: "deb-i386 http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/debian/ squeeze main"?
12:51<Nik05>ok files in dir, need to move them all to dir/sub
12:52<cthuluh>Nik05: for file in ./*; do [[ -f $file ]] && mv "$file" ./dir; done # assuminng bash
12:53<cthuluh>Nik05: if you have other similar questions, please ask #bash on irc.freenode.net
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12:53<Nik05>hm ok...
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12:55<cthuluh>wompa: I do not have time to check, but I inded suspect that this deb package source is not sufficient ; on the other hand, I tend to think that most people should run apt-cacher-ng instead of using a full mirror
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12:56<wompa>cthuluh, yes, I think it would be best to just have a local mirror of DVD1 or so, and then install extra packages from Internet.
12:57<svuorela>I've used debmirror for mirroring a archive
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12:59<babilen>wompa: The deb-i386 should be just deb ... And reprepro is the more commonly used tool btw
12:59<babilen>wompa: Ah, that is from apt-mirror, not on the client machine that tries to access your repo?
13:00<svuorela>babilen: reprepro is more commonly used than debmirror for a full personal debian mirror ?
13:00<wompa>babilen, yes, it's from apt-mirror's mirror.list
13:00<babilen>wompa: And using a cacher is typically more common as jhutchins rightfully mentioned
13:00<babilen>wompa: Disregard that then
13:00<wompa>ok
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13:07<Wayny>how do I speed up finding files using GNU find and calculating file sizes using du on ext3 partitions?
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13:10<valdyn>Wayny: not
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13:11<cthuluh>Wayny: run find / du twice ; it should be faster on the second attempt :P
13:11<valdyn>i was about to say that...
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13:12<Wayny>cthuluh: you are a genius =)
13:12<cthuluh>so is valdyn , then :)
13:12<valdyn>i got another
13:12<cthuluh>wompa: fyi it's possible to import already downloaded packages in apt-cacher-ng
13:12<valdyn>i buy enough ram to fit all my file metadata in it
13:12<wompa>aha, nice =)
13:12<valdyn>and *then* run it twice
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13:13<wompa>Thanks for suggestions, apt-cacher-ng seems to be the way to go, sufficient for a small home-lan
13:13<cthuluh>ok ; my turn : delete all directories on which you want to run find / du
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13:13<valdyn>thats truely efficient
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13:21<wompa>I added "main/debian-installer" in apt-mirror's mirror.list and now the installer works :)
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13:25<Damnedkrt1>Anyone around who could help me with problem:
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13:25<Damnedkrt1>My debian machines hostnames does not get resolved in my firewall, however mac and windows computers do
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13:26<valdyn>Damnedkrt1: what do they get resolved to?
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13:26<valdyn>Damnedkrt1: or i mean rather, whats the full name? something.local ?
13:27<themill>Damnedkrt1: what do you mean by "resolved in my firewall"?
13:27<Damnedkrt1>Um not at all. I mean in my DHCP list of the IPs leased. I see ip+hostname on all mac and windows machines, but not the debian ones :/
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13:27<valdyn>Damnedkrt1: this can be rendezvous or it can be smb host names
13:28<themill>Damnedkrt1: sounds like you want 'send host-name "yourhostname";' in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
13:28<valdyn>Damnedkrt1: thats why im asking for the full name
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13:28<valdyn>Damnedkrt1: maybe windows and mac do what themill said too, I wouldnt know
13:28*themill doesn't understand why send host-name is not the default
13:28<Damnedkrt1>I am using dnsmasq, on a my ClearOS firewall. You want me to enable that on that machine, or debian ones?
13:29<valdyn>Damnedkrt1: on the debian one
13:29<themill>Damnedkrt1: on the dhcp client
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13:29<Damnedkrt1>right, cheers. Ill give it a try!
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13:30<saulo>hello, have a netbook with debian SID and, when I put an earphone, the sound play at phone and at omputer at same time! I want hear only at earphone
13:31<valdyn>saulo: use your favourite mixer program, like alsamixer
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13:32<saulo>valdyn: I need do this always manually?
13:33<valdyn>saulo: this is a hardware feature, if your soundcard has no switches ( those could be displayed in alsamixer ), then yes
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13:34<saulo>valdyn: Debian lenny and Windows 7 worked perfectily, SID don't :(
13:34<saulo>valdyn: But I'm unable to find what can cause this
13:34<valdyn>saulo: maybe you are using pulseaudio
13:34<jhutchins_lt>saulo: sid is not supposed to work perfectly.
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13:35<valdyn>saulo: if youre using pulseaudio then this is different, try "ps aux | grep pulse"
13:35<saulo>saulo 2376 2.2 0.3 100520 6420 ? S<l 14:27 0:10 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
13:35<Damnedkrt1>themill, valdyn; I did the change in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf (it was not on be default) - What is the sommand like ipconfig /renew?
13:35<valdyn>saulo: ok
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13:36<valdyn>saulo: run "pavucontrol"
13:36<valdyn>saulo: is this usb headphones?
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13:36<saulo>valdyn: normal phones, only audio input and output
13:37<saulo>pavucontrol not found
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13:37<valdyn>!installit
13:37<dpkg>Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
13:38<valdyn>saulo: you need to familiarise yourself with those tools. Your sound playing program may or may not be using pulseaudio. If its using pulseaudio then it will be listed in pavucontrol anyway
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13:40<Wayny>I have just installed the base system and now debian-installer asks me what kernel to install: "linux-image-2.6-amd64", "linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64" and "linux-image-amd64". I've checked on it: both the first and the third link to the second, so it should install the same kernel no matter what I choose, right?
13:40<saulo>valdyn: installed! And yes, it's listed. pulseaudio do not shutdown computer sound when hearphone is connected, correct?
13:41<valdyn>saulo: its listed together with the sound device its being played at
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13:41<valdyn>saulo: you can select "all" or an individual output
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13:42<saulo>valdyn: worked, thanks! But there are some way to do this automatically?
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13:43<valdyn>saulo: you mean switch as soon as you plug in headphones?
13:43<babilen>Wayny: Yes, but the dependencies of both metapackages (i.e. linux-image-2.6-amd64 and linux-image-amd64) might change. This is not likely for the latter and it is nothing you can't change afterwards.
13:43<saulo>valdyn: yes
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13:43<valdyn>saulo: i wouldnt know
13:43<valdyn>saulo: its a hardware feature on most soundcards i believe
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13:43<babilen>Wayny: I would just install the most general one (i.e. linux-image-amd64) and not worry too much about it. ;)
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13:44<valdyn>saulo: it may be the case that for some reason your sound cards default is wrong in that aspect
13:44<Wayny>babilen: makes sense, thanks for the tip
13:44<valdyn>saulo: and i have never seen a switch exposed to change this
13:44<valdyn>saulo: on top of that i have usb - headphones - so no experience recently
13:44<babilen>Wayny: This is mostly relevant when you upgrade to wheezy in the future as wheezy will ship with a 3.0 kernel.
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13:45<saulo>valdyn: ok, thanks for your help. I know about sid be unstable, but I think there are some way to correct this....
13:45<valdyn>saulo: yes, probably
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13:47<Wayny>babilen: is it already sure that it will be 3.0 and not 3.1?
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13:49<babilen>Wayny: Hmm, I am not sure about that.
13:49<babilen>Wayny: lets see
13:50<Wayny>babilen: would be great since 3.1 shalt be much more optimized for usage with SSDs
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14:16<robo>hi I have a problem with my intel integrated sound - microphone works in squeeze but doesn't work in current sid
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14:17<robo>how can i debug this or which package should i file a bug against?
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14:43<hdon>hi all :) i recently upgraded to squeeze. apache2 stopped running my php scripts. i looked at the conf files. the new php5 mod conf file disabled /home/*/public_html for php script execution. i commented that portion out and restarted apache2. still not working. anyone know what else to do?
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14:48<Golfgeo>Hi all
14:49<Golfgeo>Got a question... Installing cpufreq-utils and powernowd for cpu scaling on my Pentium 4 and... all the howto's include installing sysfsutils, but why is sysfsutils needed? Deinstalled it and everything seems to be working as it should...???
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14:50<Wayny>regarding bash env variables, what is the difference between $HISTSIZE and $HISTFILESIZE ?
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14:52<Golfgeo>Wayny: as a noob in regards to bash I think it looks like a config for the number of lines in the history vs. the max size (bytes) of the total sum of all (lines) in the history
14:52<Golfgeo>(char sum even)
14:53<Golfgeo>could be both a char sum size even
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14:53<hdon>Golfgeo, try rebooting
14:54<hdon>also lsmod and see if modules installed with sysfsutils are still loaded
14:54<Wayny>Gulfgeo: one says "number of commands" and the other says "number of lines". Looks like it's effectively the same in most circumstances
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14:54<Wayny>Gulfgeo: aah, I got it. "command1 ; command2" are two commands but one line
14:55<hdon>hmm, i seem to be missing files needed for mod_php5 what gives?
14:56<hdon>oh, no it's there, somehow i just missed it
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15:03<hdon>wow how annoying... i actually solved my problem ten minutes ago, but firefox cache stopped me from seeing it >:(
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15:05<robo>hdon, you're welcome
15:05<asdfasdf>#babel
15:06<hdon>wat
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16:03<grandie>is it possible to make MP3's from CD's with Debian?
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16:05<Black_Prince>Yes ... I guess you'd have to use debian multimedia for squeeze. In wheezy and sid it should work out of box.
16:07<grandie>Black_Prince: thanks, do you know what program I need to look for in wheezy?
16:07<Black_Prince>For gnome, sound-juicer ...
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16:08<grandie>anything under KDE
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16:09<daemonkeeper>KDE can rip CDs out of the box. Insert an audio CD and open it in Dolphin. You can just copy it encoded.
16:10<grandie>daemonkeeper: thanks, I'll have try it!
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16:11<grandie>daemonkeeper: will that also work in Squeeze?
16:12<daemonkeeper>I think so.
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16:12<amphi>"KDE can rip CDs out of the box" was starting to sound good
16:12<babilen>Likewise in GNOME iirc ... lets dig for some links
16:13<Black_Prince>Nautilus opens sound-juicer as audio cd autorun prompt ...
16:13<Black_Prince>And in squeeze, mp3 encoding isn't possible unless using dmm software.
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16:13<Black_Prince>In wheezy and sid it is, because lame is included.
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16:14<babilen>who wants mp3 anyway nowadays?
16:14<daemonkeeper>Everyone with a MP3 player.
16:15<Black_Prince>+1
16:15<wompa>Artists and the labels I guess, less control for the user because who would like to convert mp3 to another format?
16:15<babilen>well, most of them play ogg/flac/...
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16:15<daemonkeeper>iPod does not.
16:15<Black_Prince>ogg = Oh Good Good, what an anoying file format ...
16:15<Bushmills>everyone with an mp3 player which is not rockbox compatible :)
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16:16<daemonkeeper>Actually, ogg is much better than MP3, Black_Prince.
16:16<babilen>Anyway ... Something in the back of my head whispers something about "audio://" in nautilus and being able to just drag+drop from an audio cd ... Can't test it right now and don't find a nice tutorial
16:16<daemonkeeper>Sounds similar to KDE.
16:16*Black_Prince will try
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16:17<ml|>rockbox compatible player FTW :)
16:17-!-Kt [~Kt@208.65.91.115] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:18<ml|>and using ogg/flac of course
16:18<Black_Prince>hmz ... with nautilus you can just rip ... not encode.
16:19<grandie>will ogg/flac play from a thumbstick?
16:19<grandie>sorry, over a radio with usb/
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16:29<tumulte>Hi!
16:29<luke3321>Hi!
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16:30<tumulte>I had the bug with an 100% cpu (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=643903)
16:30<tumulte>I downgraded and all
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16:30<tumulte>I'm back to normal
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16:30<tumulte>Should I wait for the bug to be resolved to do uprades
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16:30<tumulte>apt-get upgrades?
16:30<tumulte>I'm a bit confused here
16:31<luke3321>You could still selectively upgrade anything not dependent on that
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16:31<admin72>hei
16:32<tumulte>lemme search that, thanks
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16:32<admin72>kan noem hjelpe meg med linux?
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16:32<luke3321>tumulte: np
16:33<lb>admin72: du snakker ikke engelsk?
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16:33<admin72>nei kan ikke det
16:33<admin72>er ike flink
16:33<lb>admin72: hvad vil du ved om linux?
16:33*babilen guesses norwegian
16:34<babilen>!no
16:34<dpkg>No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users.
16:34<admin72>håper jeg ikke har laget trøbel herr
16:35<lb>babilen: there is no one in debian-no
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16:36<tumulte>try debian-yes
16:36*tumulte can't beleive he did that one
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16:36<EmleyMoor>pan is crashing if I open the unsubscribed groups. Is there another really good newsreader?
16:37<lb>tumulte: nice one ;)
16:37<Bushmills>danish
16:37<EmleyMoor>!dk
16:37<dpkg>hmm... dk is Hvis du vil tale dansk og få hjælp til debian, skriv /join #linux.dk in your irc client, also the country Denmark
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16:39<Black_Prince>tumulte, +1
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16:46<DYSW>Got a q. Its on debian servers, but it may be a bit offtopic, Can i run web and mail servers on different servers but on the same domain ?
16:46<gdb>Yse
16:46<gdb>er Yes
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16:47<Bushmills>!mx
16:47<dpkg>[mx] the Mail eXchanger resource record in DNS -- it tells an <MTA> where to deliver mail for a given domain. Merry Xmas, or Mexico.
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16:48<Bushmills>one day dpkg will replace wikipedia
16:49*EmleyMoor is trying icedove as a news reader
16:49<DYSW>Thanks both of you, The external mail server is a service from a company iwe found, Hopefully the concept wont be new for them
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16:52<Mulauzi>Hey, I know this question is only slightly debian related, I'm looking to buy a current gen Subnotebook/Netbook - any hot tips maybe ? Keeping in mind wireless connectivity and multi monitor support on (debian) linux
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16:53<wompa>!se
16:53<dpkg>Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net), SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974.
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17:06<EmleyMoor>Is it easy to set up multiple "From:" addresses in icedove? I use suffixed addresses a lot
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17:20<Subi>hi
17:21<Subi>got a generic alsa question.. running wheezy.. should i try the other channel?
17:22<EmleyMoor>"other" channel?
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17:22<MrFrood>#debian-next ?
17:22<Subi>#debian-next
17:22<Subi>yep
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17:24<Subi>well, "simple" thing. I'm trying to get an external USB audio interface to work. cat /dev/sndstat lists the device, but says "audio devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG"
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17:25<Subi>google says I should try running alsaconf, but this command is not known by my system ;)
17:26<edong23>madduck: welp, ordered 5 2tb wd sata drives (7200rpm) so, i shouldnt have to attempt to grow my array for a while
17:26<edong23>i really appreciate your help yesterday, i just screwed up in the end
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17:28<Golfgeo>Hi all
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17:30<Golfgeo>Got a problem with my AMD Palomero Athlon XP and cpufrequtils... The current stable kernel doesn't allow me to select the k7 kernel module and I also get an installed failed on the acpi version...
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17:33<Nemoder>Golfgeo: maybe a kernel from backports would work better?
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17:36<Golfgeo>Nemoder: I'm using Squeeze (current stable) and since the cpu is old... one might reccon that it should be working...
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17:36<Golfgeo>The k7 module is designed for mobile cpu's but the acpi module??? should work eh
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17:37<Nemoder>backports are designed for squeeze, a newer kernel might have a fix but I don't know about that particular issue
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17:47<Subi>ok, i found out that my soundcard is working flawlessly with audacity, but just not as playback device within the system
17:47<Subi>although aplay -l lists my device
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17:47<Subi>and there is no other
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18:47<alams>hello guys
18:48<alams>pls any one knows how to install knoppix on vmware
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18:50<crd>http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/HD_Install_Warning_not_to_do_it
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19:02<project2501a>hey guys, i run a small cluster which has mixed lenny and squeeze. i have noticed an interesting behavior in /usr/bin/update-alternatives , which i would like to talk about. in lenny, update-alternatives actually goes ahead and makes the link from the alternative name to the generic name
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19:03<project2501a>in squeeze, update-alternatives makes a temp link, suffixed by .dpkg-temp, then checks if it can make the link from the alternative to the generic name
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19:03<project2501a>s/generic/real
19:04<project2501a>which makes sense: why make the link to the real name, if linking the alternative name fails
19:04<project2501a>but
19:04<project2501a>if it fails, shouldn't it clean up, after itself?
19:04<project2501a>it leaves .dpkg-temp in /etc/alternatives
19:04<project2501a>anyway, yeah, i think i should contact someone about this. i take it it is the maintainer?
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19:06<anbe>first check whether this has been fixed in sid, if it still occurs there, report a bug with reportbug
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19:09<anbe>update-alternatives was a perl script in lenny and has been reimplemented in C in squeeze
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19:11<project2501a>oh
19:11<project2501a>ok
19:11<project2501a>anbe: i use it like this: http://pastebin.com/9qH990zh
19:12<project2501a>basically, i have a bunch of bioinformatics software in a cluster, which is not yet part of debian-med, and i would like to maintain their symlinks as well
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19:16<anbe>do you have a testcase where update-alternatives fails (leaving the temp file around) - what files/permissions/... are needed to reproduce this?
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19:28<nik_>Does anyone else have problems opening some PDFs in all most pdf readers where the text will not show up, but anything not text will?
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19:30<Golfgeo>Does the AMD Athlon XP 2000+ support cpu throttling?
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19:32<cybersphinx_>Golfgeo: As far as I remember, it doesn't.
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19:34<Golfgeo>cybersphinx_: hmm... Thats no fun hhaha oh oh
19:34<Golfgeo>Dammed second hand PC
19:34<Golfgeo>oh oh
19:34<Golfgeo>FSB was underclocked, core voltage too
19:35<Golfgeo>oh well
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19:40<Golfgeo>Installed a backported kernel, and mperf is loaded... wtf??? what does that module do?
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20:28<alexove>Hello
20:28<scinl>alexove: Hallo!
20:28<scinl>!ask
20:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
20:28<alexove>ok
20:28<alexove>i have a problem with a openvpn server
20:29<scinl>alexove: Is this a dogmatic issue with the software? Are you unhappy with the UI?
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20:30<alexove>i set
20:30<alexove>i set up the server and connect one client
20:30<alexove>i can do ping to the server but i cant do ping to machines in the lan
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20:33<Oiramxd>Hi everyone
20:34<Oiramxd>I´v had problems with my computer and i can´t fixed, i'll hope you can help me
20:34<Oiramxd>the problem is that my computer just crash
20:35<Oiramxd>everything freeze and i can't move to other terminal tty o something
20:36<Oiramxd>i'd been looking for some problem in the logs of the system and i just found some problem of noise calibration
20:36<Oiramxd>because my wifi atheros
20:36<Oiramxd>someone?
20:36<Oiramxd>a clue
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20:39<Bushmills>start with RAM test
20:40<Oiramxd>I've done that
20:40<Oiramxd>and nothing
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20:40<Oiramxd>no problems with the ram
20:41<cybersphinx_>Oiramxd: And the CPU? Does your system survive a day of mprime? Else I'd say graphics driver, no idea how to test that though.
20:41<Bushmills>alexove: lan behind server? or wan?
20:42<Oiramxd>i've had a geforce 250
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20:42<Oiramxd>and im using the driver of nvida
20:43<Oiramxd>the official driver
20:43<Oiramxd>a day of mprime? sorry but what's that?
20:43<Bushmills>Oiramxd: check temperatures, or fan rpm
20:45<Oiramxd>it says everything is okay
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20:45<cybersphinx_>Oiramxd: http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/ then run the torture test. The longer it runs without error, the more stable your system is.
20:47<Bushmills>try to ssh into the box when it seems to be frozen
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20:48<Oiramxd>nop
20:48<Oiramxd>i've tried that
20:48<Oiramxd>seems that the machine just died
20:48<kop>Ornedan: And be sure to run memtest86+ for at least overnight to catch ram errors. (The cryptsetup/luks faq has some good tips on testing ram.)
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20:48<Oiramxd>oooh
20:48<kop>Ornedan: You want to make sure everything comes up to temperature.
20:49<Oiramxd>kop: i'll do all this night
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20:50<Bushmills>reset bios settings for cpu and ram to defaults
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20:51<Oiramxd>Bushmills: how I do that? and why?
20:52<Bushmills>to make sure ram timing is sane, and cpu clock
20:53<Oiramxd>and how can i do that?
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20:55<Oiramxd>i downloaded the software crash but i dont get how to use it. Someone know something about it?
20:55<Bushmills>i presume the authors do
20:55<Oiramxd>ja
20:56<Oiramxd>i hope so
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20:56<Bushmills>therefore, a full-hearted "yes, somebody does"
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22:23<Samkov>Hey all, I'm really new to Debian and I am trying to get backports going, basically I need a package from wheezy and dont know where to go from there :/ And I have read http://backports-master.debian.org/ many times
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22:27<gusnan>Samkov, Is the package availible backported? (There is a search engine on the page you linked under the "Packages" link.)
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22:30<Samkov>everything I search comes up as not found, idk if i am typing things in wrong or what?
22:32<gusnan>Also check http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/ , there is a list of the packages in backports split up on sections
22:32<abrotman>Samkov: which package?
22:33<Samkov>all of the libv4l packages, there are about 3 of them
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22:36<Samkov>I need those because cheese crashes every time I try to record video
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22:56<bomb>hi
22:56<bomb>hello?
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23:13<wompa>!ask
23:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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23:32<ridin>hi
23:32<wompa>hey
23:33<ridin>new to linux here, how do i get my netgear wna1100 wireless card working? looking around it uses ath9k_htc
23:34<sney>if it's an ath9k card, it should work already
23:34<sney>how new is it?
23:35<ridin>maybe just a few months
23:35<sney>I meant how recently did the card come out, but nvm
23:36<ridin>doesn't seem to work
23:36<sney>can you open a terminal and type 'lspci -nn |grep -i net'
23:36<ridin>ok
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23:36<ridin>00:07.0 Bridge [0680]: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet [10de:03ef] (rev a2)
23:36<gsimmons>sney: It's a USB device.
23:36<gsimmons>dpkg: wna1100
23:36<dpkg>The Netgear WNA1100 "Wireless-N 150 USB Adapter" is an 802.11n device (USB ID 0846:9030). It contains an Atheros AR9271 chipset; for device support on Debian systems, ask me about <ath9k_htc>. Not to be confused with the <wna1000>.
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23:36<ridin>yes
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23:37<sney>ah, it seems you need a newer kernel as well as a firmware package
23:37<ridin>do i have to upgrade to testing
23:37<ridin>or just the kerenl
23:37<sney>no
23:37<ridin>ok
23:37<sney>!bdo kernel
23:37<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports.debian.org to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae See also <bdo kernel lenny>.
23:37<ridin>kernel auhe
23:38<ridin>woah what
23:38<sney>there's a lot of shorthand in there to make it fit. go to http://backports.debian.org/ and follow the directions there to add the source to your system, then come back and go through it step by step
23:38<sney>and if you get stuck, just ask
23:39<ridin>ok thanks
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23:41<ridin>what is the package name for kernel
23:41<boba>see above
23:41<sney>they all start with linux-image
23:42<ridin>ok
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23:45<ridin>ok it's going
23:45<ridin>also i dual boot with 7, but grub shows it as vista, can i change that?
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23:48<sney>yep, you can manually change it in /boot/grub/grub.cfg, though it'll overwrite back to vista any time you update grub. I don't remember how to do it permanently, it's been a long time since I did any digging with a dual-boot system
23:49<ridin>ok
23:49<ridin>first quarrel with linux and i'm already liking it
23:49<ridin>thanks for the help, will reboot and see if my card works
23:49<sney>wait
23:50<ridin>ok im here
23:50<sney>you also need to install the firmware-atheros package from non-free
23:50<ridin>yes i have that already
23:50<sney>ok
23:50<sney>reboot away
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23:58<alex_>hello
23:59<sney>hi
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