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01:50<samineru>This is an extremely amateurish question, sorry, but I just installed squeeze and updated, but my iceweasel is still 3.5, what am I missing?
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01:58<adamm>I've upgraded my laptop to stable. And now keyboard is not detected by X. The error reported is 'No Symbols named "us" in the include file "us"' reported by xkbcomp... I can't seem to figure out what it is talking about.
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02:01<jm_>adamm: is that without xorg.conf file?
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02:03<adamm>jm_: Yes
02:04<jm_>adamm: normally xkbcomp messages are not fatal AFAIR
02:05<adamm>jm_: Yes, they are not fatal, but I have no keyboard at all which is somewhat of an issue.
02:06<jm_>adamm: what does it say about it in xorg logfile?
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02:12<adamm>jm_: it's a little confusing, but it seems it found keys on one of the /dev/input/event* and configured device as keyboard.
02:14<jm_>adamm: you can find out more about which one it is via /sys/class/input
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02:18<jm_>and I suppose providing your own input section in xorg.conf shall fix it for you
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02:19<adamm>jm_: it's /dev/input/event8. According to the log, it is detected and added as keyboard. No errors in log about it.. Weird.
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02:20<jm_>adamm: yeah, for example it adds the power button on my system as keyboard too
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02:22<adamm>jm_: yes, power button is a different device. that's OK. Do you think it has anything to do with the xkbcomp failure?
02:23<jm_>adamm: not sure, but that message sure is weird - can you put your log on some pastebin?
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02:32<surya>How to create an img file of the cdrom
02:32<adamm>jm_: sadly, I have no paste capability that I can think of. jm
02:32<adamm>jm_: hold on :) pasted :)
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02:33<adamm>jm_: http://paste.debian.net/136365
02:34<jm_>adamm: pastebinit is qutie helpful for the future needs
02:35<adamm>jm_: I'll look into that. This log is with some xorg.conf I was messing around with, but results are the same without xorg.conf.
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02:38<adamm>surya: look into genisoimage package
02:39<surya>adamm, ok. I have one more doubt. While create the iso using the live-build, the username I give at the installation time is not taken. I am able to boot only using the live-user.
02:39<surya>adamm, How to correct it?
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02:40<jsona>hey
02:40<jsona>anyone around
02:40<jsona>??
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02:41<adamm>surya: you can reset user to generic. I forget the option, but it's in the manpage for genisoimage. -r or something like that.
02:41<jm_>adamm: this looks fine to me, I assume the 'UnloadModule: "evdev"' lines showed up upon exiting the session
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02:42<adamm>jm_: I guess.
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02:43<adamm>jm_: well, I'll look at this tomorrow...
02:43<jm_>adamm: hmm I don't have a log without xorg.conf handy, so I am not sure if this is normal: Disabling Generic Keyboard
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02:44<dba>adamm: err? how would genisoimage have anything to do what happens within the filesystem.squashfs image?
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02:44<adamm>jm_: No, that's because xorg.conf has that enabled and it got disabled. Nothing special there.
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02:45<adamm>dba: I guess I was answering a different question :)
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02:58<bhagath_naveen>hi
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03:01<bhagath_naveen>i had a bu8g in lenny debian system
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03:02<bhagath_naveen>i.e when i am trying updatge system the lib6 files are broken
03:02<bhagath_naveen>how to fix this problem
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03:07<jm_>bhagath_naveen: upgrade to?
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03:23<spartan7>I'm looking to virtualize a few servers. The hardware is a dual core 4 gig 2.2Ghz machine and would like to know the best software to do this under linux.
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03:33<bhagath_naveen>dist update
03:33<jm_>to squeeze?
03:33<bhagath_naveen>or any software install same problem occured
03:33<bhagath_naveen>yes
03:34<jm_>you need to upgrade using the commands from release notes
03:34<bhagath_naveen>update to squeeze
03:34<bhagath_naveen>no
03:34<jm_>yes
03:34<bhagath_naveen>through synaptic manager
03:34<boba>wut
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03:35<bhagath_naveen>i am using mirror is http://mirror.ayous.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
03:38<jm_>testing? that's not lenny to squeeze upgrade
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03:52<bhagath_naveen>sorry its already updated to squeeze i faced the problem in squeeze
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03:53<jm_>!bat
03:53<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
03:53<jm_>bhagath_naveen: ^^^^^
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03:57<bhagath_naveen>he following packages have unmet dependencies:
03:57<bhagath_naveen> libberkeleydb-perl : Depends: perlapi-5.10.1
03:57<bhagath_naveen> libc6 : Depends: libc-bin (= 2.13-18) but 2.13-20 is installed
03:57<bhagath_naveen> libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.13-20) but 2.13-18 is installed
03:57<bhagath_naveen> libc6-i686 : PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.11.2-6) but 2.13-18 is installed
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04:01<jm_>bhagath_naveen: please note how it says: "Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information." so do not paste here
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05:09<hiroshima>hi at all
05:09<hiroshima>Hello, I try to get an audio output through my HDMI port of my ATI Radeon HD 5700 graphic card. Does anybody know how I can achieve that? Even if I perform the test in multimedia settings I get no audio output from the HDMI port...
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05:11<hiroshima>Do I need a special codec or s.th. like that in order to get an output?
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05:13<jm_>hiroshima: are you sure open source driver supports it?
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05:14<jm_>hiroshima: apparently it does: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI#HDMI_Audio
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05:15<hiroshima>hmmm... I even do not see the channels of my HDMI Audio port in the Kmix...
05:15<hiroshima>probably it doesn't.
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05:15<kenyon>I see my radeon's HDMI in the aplay -l output
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05:17<kenyon>if you do lspci, you should see something like "Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc Device". the number at the beginning corresponds to the number in the symlink in /dev/snd/by-path
05:17<hiroshima>kenyon: yes, me too.
05:17<kenyon>and I see from lsmod that I have snd_hda_codec_realtek and snd_hda_codec_hdmi loaded
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05:21<hiroshima>kenyon: no I don't. I see there just a snd_hda_codec_hdmi and snd_hda_codec_via
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05:21<hiroshima>but no snd_hda_codec_realtek.
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05:21<kenyon>hiroshima: well, you probably have a different card
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05:22<hiroshima>I am sure I have a Radeon HD 5700.
05:22<kenyon>mine is a 6450
05:23<hiroshima>did you install the official driver from radeon?
05:23<hiroshima>sry, ATI
05:24<kenyon>no, I use the Debian packages. but I don't use the HDMI port, so I don't know if it makes a difference.
05:25<ic>Hello - my 2nd time in IRC in my life - would you please telle me which java to install in squeeze. I installed jave6 update 26 and the whole system is juddering and slow
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05:25<hiroshima>ic: java for what?
05:26<kenyon>!tell ic about install java
05:26<hiroshima>ic: you mean the runtime engine?
05:27<ic>hiroshima I'm not an expert. I installed kubuntu on the same system on another harddisk - with ubuntu no problems - with squeeze juddering and slow system
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05:28<ic>don't even know if java is responsible
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05:28<kenyon>!top
05:28<dpkg>[top] a command to "display top CPU processes," but top can handle more ('man top' for more info). Try: `top' and to quit, just 'q';; The Other Peter
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05:32<jm_>ic: that sounds like it's swapping perhaps
05:34<ic>Thank you so much kenyon. I just installed icedtea6-plugin - no more juddering. Can't believe that it took me years to find IRC
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05:36<stomanata>hi
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05:36<stomanata>can somebody help me installing flash player
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05:37<stomanata>i download it (for 64 bit system)
05:37<stomanata>and copy ****.so to ......
05:37<aktiv[b]>i'm getting a new 3dcard, what is the better choice for debian compability, ati or nvidia ?
05:37<stomanata>may be /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
05:38<Black_Prince>stomanata, install flashplugin-nonfree ...
05:38<stomanata>i have it
05:39<stomanata>btw because i have big problems with iceweacel
05:39<stomanata>i download mozilla
05:39<stomanata>but i start it from dir with ./mozilla
05:39<Black_Prince>Define big problems with iceweasel
05:39<stomanata>may be this is the problem?
05:39<stomanata>it crash too offten :(
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05:40<Black_Prince>Which version?
05:40<stomanata>3.5.16
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05:41<Nemoder>aktiv[b]: nvidia has always worked best for me, although I still use proprietary drivers
05:41<Black_Prince>Have you tried installing newer one from mozilla.debian.net?
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05:42<stomanata>no :)
05:42<stomanata>can i update it via synaptic?
05:42<aktiv[b]>Nemoder: ok. are you familiar with the prop drivers for ati ? Do they have a flip screen option ?
05:43<Nemoder>sorry i am not
05:43<Black_Prince>It's like someone hits me with a hammer when someone mentions synaptic :-|
05:43<Black_Prince>dpkg, mdn
05:43<dpkg>Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy or sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other xul-using applications. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>.
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05:44<aktiv[b]>ok, do the nvidia drivers have that? last time I was messing about with it, they had not
05:44<stomanata>(y)
05:44<stomanata>i saw how to do this
05:44<stomanata>thanks
05:44<aktiv[b]>and thats a problem, since I have a one portrait and one landscape monitor setup
05:45<stomanata>at the moment i have this errors http://paste.debian.net/136389/
05:45<stomanata>now i`ll update it to see can this fix the problem
05:46<Nemoder>aktiv[b]: I have not tried to do that but I think it's possible
05:46<Black_Prince>I don't think this would 3.5.x produce ...
05:48<stomanata>what can be the reason for this errors?
05:49<Black_Prince>You mention that you downloaded firefox or so ... Which one does produce that?
05:49<stomanata>iceweasel crash
05:49<Black_Prince>I have no idea
05:49<stomanata>from 2-3 days i use firefox started from dir and no problem
05:49<stomanata>but no flash :)
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05:51<stomanata>btw how can i do.......
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05:52<stomanata>i have opened 4-5 apps. and i use right click on 1 and to desktop-desktop 2
05:52<stomanata>but it still appear at system tray
05:53<stomanata>how to separate virtual desktops?
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06:03<wompa>stomanata, I'm not sure what you mean with separating virtual desktops? The "system tray"-widget is the same for all workspaces (assuming you are using Gnome).
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06:04<wompa>stomanata, but I don't know if it's possible to have separate system-tray-widgets for each workspace.
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06:10<davromaniak>hi
06:10<davromaniak>little dumb question about preseeds
06:11<davromaniak>I install packages with the "d-i pkgsel/include"
06:11<davromaniak>is it possible to increase verbosity on this installation ?
06:11<davromaniak>because the screen stays blank during installation
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06:12<davromaniak>now, I check the correct package download using the logs of our local mirror
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06:14<davromaniak>like the screen we have when we select one of the installation templates, you see ?
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06:14<stomanata>mmmm
06:14<stomanata>when i was on slackware
06:15<jm_>davromaniak: dpkg creates a logfile so you can look there too
06:15<stomanata>there is option to configure number of virtual desktops and oshter setting. Also this that i ask for
06:15<stomanata>now i have all windows of apps ot system try
06:15<stomanata>some of this windows are on desktop 2, but they also are shown next to windows from desktop1
06:17<davromaniak>jm_: ok
06:17<davromaniak>also, I will try to find how to automate answering question during package config
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06:23<Bushmills>stomanata: lashplugin-nonfree
06:23<Bushmills>flash... even
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06:30<anonymus>heeeeeey
06:30<anonymus>jajaja
06:31<anonymus>zalami
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06:31<anonymus>joder
06:31<anonymus>jodeeeeeeeeer
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06:32<anonymus>miriam?
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06:33<anonymus>miriam?
06:33<anonymus>aaaaa
06:33<anonymus>eeee
06:33<anonymus>holaaaaaaaaaaa
06:33<popi>:)
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06:33<anonymus>gegegegege
06:33<anonymus>paja
06:33<popi>calla
06:33<anonymus>alalalal
06:34<FragByte>woah spam
06:34<anonymus>pajo!
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06:34<popi>quien eres?
06:34<anonymus>yo maximo
06:34<popi>a ti no era..
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06:34<anonymus>fragbyte comeme los huevos!+
06:35<anonymus>gegegege
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06:35<anonymus>popina
06:35<popi>Holaa
06:35<anonymus>canorra
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06:36<svuorela>!ops
06:36<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
06:36<popi>quien coño sois?
06:36<svuorela>dpkg: ops some users needs to be quited
06:36<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: svuorela complains about: some users needs to be quited
06:36<deavid>anonymus, popi: este canal es en inglés
06:36<popi>que hableees en españool
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06:36<anonymus>ñ castellano tonto
06:37<anonymus>fuck you
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06:37<popi>hellooooooooo
06:37<anonymus>fuck youuuuuuuuu
06:37<popi>puedes hablar en español?esque yo no se hablar en ingles..xDD
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06:37<deavid>anonymus, popi: os importaría ir a #debian-es ?
06:38<popi> hola guapoo
06:38<anonymus>follame
06:38<popi>Noop
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06:38<popi>¿?
06:38<anonymus>qieres sexo?? guapo
06:39<popi>:S
06:39<anonymus>ouuu acabo de tener un orgasmo
06:39<popi>4t5yh
06:39<popi>y6
06:39<anonymus>pensando en ti
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06:39<anonymus>qe paja popi
06:40<popi>:)
06:40<anonymus>tu puta madre devid
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06:40<anonymus> b6'o ¡o'
06:40<anonymus>¡o0
06:40<anonymus>
06:40<anonymus>
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06:41<anonymus>opi
06:41<anonymus>yayay
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06:42<popi>anonymus
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06:42<anonymus>hey apple
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06:42<popi>hey tu puta madre:)
06:42<anonymus>loli?
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06:43<rpetre>school started in spain, eh? :)
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06:44<svuorela>babilen: what took you so long? :)
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06:44<@babilen>svuorela: Well, sometimes work IRL needs to be done
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06:51<nixjr>im planning a new pc build and want to put debian on it, is there anything i should be looking for specifically in an ssd from a linux point of view, ive heard talk about something called trim
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06:53<FragByte>nixjr: i found this pretty helpful as a starting point on fs alignment on SSDs: http://es.linuxfoundation.org/blog/9
06:53<jm_>nixjr: in general no, they all work fine - TRIM is available in recent kernels, but is usually disabled and needs to be done in off-line mode (some file systems support on-line trim too)
06:53<FragByte>unfortunately the link is down
06:54<jm_>wiper.sh (from hdparm) is what's used for offline trim
06:55<nixjr>jm_, im a bit of a linux noob, does offline mean i can add in trim support after ive already instaklled debian
06:55<ic>You already helped me once today, so I'll ask a second question: Which WEBCAM ( >= 3 Megapixels) should I buy for debian squeeze and Skype ?
06:56<ic>Should work in dark rooms & have a microphone
06:56<jm_>nixjr: yes, it's a mount option
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06:58<jm_>nixjr: another thing - not all filesystems support online discard, so make sure to have this in mind when creating the fs
06:59<nixjr>im using ubuntu right now (only only linux experience to date), ive done all my drives at ext4
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06:59<jm_>ext4 has it
06:59<nixjr>is there a more sutiable fs for ssds?
07:00<jojo>i having a problem in samba can anybody help me here????
07:00<jm_>nixjr: this also looks useful https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives
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07:00<jojo>when i go to my folder in my ubuntu it says there its not mount...
07:00<jojo>any body here...
07:00<jojo>ei...
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07:02<jojo>anybody here who can help me...
07:02<jojo>anybody here who can help me...
07:02<jojo>anybody here who can help me...
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07:03<nixjr>jm_, reading it now thanks, it seems to be mostly about software settings, is there any hardware i need worry about linux support with or is it all pretty safe?
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07:05<jm_>nixjr: there were issues with older crucial (c300 I think) drives, but they have added workarounds to the kernel (it's about disabling NCQ IIRC) - right now I haven't heard of any problematic drives
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07:07<nixjr>jm_, im looking at the crucial m4, along with an i5 2500T (low power version), an nvidia gt420, and a gigabyte h67 b3 board (usb3 sata6 etc), think ill have nay issues with the rest of that hardware?
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07:08<jm_>nixjr: no, i have intel ssd 320 120G, i5 2500, Gigabyte 460GTX, Gigabyte GA-PH67A-UD3-B3
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07:09<SCaraian1>Anyone running the sid nvidia non-free driver (280.13.really.275.28-1) is able to run a secondary screen using hdmi? Going to Monitors Proprierties, it doesen't show the second one, just the primary one, labeled unknown.
07:10<nixjr>jm_, ive seen some linux hardware compatibility charts but all seem pretty outdated, is linux hardware support issues a thing of the past?
07:10<jojo>when i go to my folder in my ubuntu it says there its not mount...
07:10<jojo>anybody here who can help me...
07:10<jojo>when i go to my folder in my ubuntu it says there its not mount...
07:10<rigved>jojo: /join #ubuntu
07:10<wompa>At Freenode.
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07:10<jm_>nixjr: well not reall but it's a lot of work to update it
07:11<rigved>jojo: ya. at Freenode, as wompa ^^ said
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07:48<utilisateur>salut
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07:53<bourke_>Hi, can someone tell me how I can remove packages from a specific pool with reprepro? The man page says 'remove codename package-names', but no reference to what pool to remove from..
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08:16<andrei944>is anyone here ?
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08:18<andrei944>is anyone here ?
08:18<OpenTokix>Probably
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08:21<debian_amateur>Hey guys, can someone take a look at this topic please?
08:21<debian_amateur>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=71378
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08:27<FragByte>debian_amateur: there is an ubuntu bug-report concerning this soundcard (same usb-id)
08:27<FragByte>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/450702
08:27<debian_amateur>So how do I find which is my exact model to add to alsa-base.conf file? It's pissing me off, 1 day working on this and still no sound
08:27<FragByte>maybe thats helpfull
08:27<debian_amateur>checking. thanks!
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08:28<FragByte>meant pcciid
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08:29<debian_amateur>so no hope for me? I won't be able to get sound on debian wheezy amd64?
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08:29<jm_>debian_amateur: cat /proc/asound/cards
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08:30<debian_amateur>ok 1 sec
08:30<debian_amateur> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
08:30<debian_amateur> HDA Intel at 0xdd000000 irq 48
08:30<jm_>so it's loaded
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08:31<debian_amateur>the sound button in the HP laptop is in orange(disabled) and should be in white(enabled). strangely, I could get it white by messing with alsa-base.conf but now I don't know.
08:31<FragByte>comment in ubuntu bug report states that slmodemd locks the sound card
08:32<debian_amateur>that bug thread is from 2010.
08:32<debian_amateur>there should be a solution available.
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08:32<debian_amateur>I got pretty much everything running and fine(even my wifi card!) expect sound.
08:33<debian_amateur>I just want to know how to find the exact model to add in alsa-base.conf and then I think it will work.
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08:34<lamby_>is there a quick way to tell what type of RAM my Debian system is using? So I can buy more to upgrade
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08:35<jm_>lamby_: try running dmidecode
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08:37<lamby_>jm_: I did that. lots of highly technical output. what am i looking for in there ?
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08:39<jm_>lamby_: look at Memory Device section
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08:40<jm_>or perhaps easier to find motherboard info if it's there and look at its specs
08:40<lamby_>DDR 400MHZ I think
08:41<Nik05>how can i change $PATH?
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08:41<jm_>Nik05: default ~/.bash_profile already has an example (commented out)
08:42<Nik05>oh :)
08:42<Nik05>i dont have a .bash_profile
08:42<FragByte>Nik05: /etc/profile
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08:43<jm_>really? that would surprise me for someone who's asking this
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08:43<FragByte>Nik05: if you change it there, it is changed for every user, be careful
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08:44<Nik05>i know, i only want it for my user...
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08:44<FragByte>create a .bash_profile in ~ and use /etc/profile as an example
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08:44<Nik05>ok
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08:45<jm_>Nik05: or as in /etc/skel/.profile
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08:46<jm_>looks like Debian no longer has .bash_profile in skel so this explains it
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08:48<Nik05>should i use this `export PATH=$PATH:/dir1:...:/dirN' ?
08:48<jm_>for example
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08:49<Nik05>does not work...
08:49<FragByte>Nik05: did you relogin after the change ?
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08:50<Nik05>oh no do i need to? :P
08:50<FragByte>yes
08:50<rpetre>at least open a new shell
08:50<Nik05>ok ;p
08:50<Nik05>i opened a new shell
08:50<Nik05>didnt work
08:50<Nik05>but should i at .bash_profile to .bashrc?
08:50<rpetre>oh, nevermind, profile is the one for login shells
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08:50<FragByte>Nik05: try it with a tty*
08:50<rpetre>(i think)
08:51<FragByte>or relogin
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08:51<Nik05>Frag what is tty?
08:52<rpetre>ctrl-alt-f1 :)
08:52<Nik05>hey in it works there :)
08:52<Nik05>so i need to relog...
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08:55<lamby_>Nik05: you can always use hte source command: .
08:55<Nik05>it is working :)
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09:22<jrk>Hello. What program can tell me about DVD filesystem extensions (RockRidge, Joliet, etc.)?
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09:23<jrk>"file /dev/sr0" says "ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data" and print its label.
09:23<jrk>It's not enough information for me.
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09:24<petemc>cdrdao
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09:29<jrk>petemc: cdrdao doesn't give me enough info. I only said that disk has one session. Nothing about filesystem.
09:29<jrk>* It only said that disk has one session.
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09:31<jrk>Problem is that I have DVD recorded by me (with Brasero) with label longer tahn 16 characters. Now I'm using K3B and it says that label can't be longer that 16 characters.
09:31<jrk>I want to check what filesystem was created by Brasero.
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09:34<rpetre>ugh, those are extensions to the iso9660 filesystem, you need something that understands that (like tune2fs for ext2, for instance). maybe mount can help?
09:34<rpetre>maybe mount --verbose --fake
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09:35<berto>jrk: isoinfo ?
09:36<Bushmills>jrk: disktype
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09:37<berto>jrk: I think isoinfo is what you're looking for
09:38<jrk>berto: You're right
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09:42<jrk>Bushmills: You're right too
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09:43<jrk>disktype shows to labels - first full and second truncated to 16 chars
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09:44<lamby_>is /dev/shm like a ramdisk ?
09:44<jrk>lamby_: it is ramdisk
09:44<Bushmills>lamby_: yes.
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09:47<stomanata>Bushmills, i have flashplugin, but how it can help me with my virutal desktops?
09:47<stomanata>sorry for late answer :)
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09:47<Bushmills>stomanata: it can't
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09:48<Bushmills>"(11:36:56) stomanata: can somebody help me installing flash player"
09:48<stomanata>aaaaaaha. :)
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09:48<stomanata>other people also tell about this, but i have it...
09:49<stomanata>but mozilla can`t see it :(
09:49<Bushmills>what distribution?
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09:53<stomanata>debian 6.02
09:53<stomanata>debian 6.0.2
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09:54<Bushmills>flashplugin-nonfree
09:54<stomanata>what about him?
09:54<Bushmills>install, for flash plugin
09:55<stomanata>i have it
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09:55<Bushmills>fine
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09:55<stomanata>what to do next? :)
09:56<Bushmills>use iceweasel
09:56<stomanata>iceweasel found flashplugin but crash too often
09:56<Bushmills>stop using flash
09:57<anonym_>which version of iceweasel do you use?
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09:57<stomanata>7.0.1
09:57<Bushmills>,versions iceweasel
09:57<judd>Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-10~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-10; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-10; wheezy: 7.0.1-2; sid: 7.0.1-2+b1; experimental: 8.0~b2-1
09:57<stomanata>i update it today, so i`m not testing yet for crash
09:59<stomanata>why to stop using flash? it is used in most of web sites
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09:59<Bushmills>because it has a tendency to crash
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10:01<anonym_>maybe thats not very helpfull but have you considered trying chromium-browser? As far as I know in the newer backports (v10) there is already a oss flash player preinstalled. Mine is working without any configuration and fine.
10:01<stomanata>yes, but i`ll loose functionality of web sites...
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10:01<stomanata>yes. but it`s not too comfortable, don`t save sesion etc...
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10:05<anonym_>so your problem at the moment is, you have installed the flashplugin-nonfree but firefox doesnt know its there?
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10:08<stomanata>yes
10:08<stomanata>but firefox it not instaled
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10:08<stomanata>i start it from extracted archive
10:08<stomanata>which i download from mozilla.com
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10:18<kop>stomanata: It's a better idea to only install debian supplied packages. See the footnotes at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware
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10:34<zykotick9>kop, i don't think I've ever read those footnotes before, informative and entertaining - thanks
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11:09<friggle>if there's a package not avaialable for other archs (in this case, gitit which is only i386 and amd64) is the reason for this logged somewhere?
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11:11<jordanm>friggle: perhaps in te bug report sysem or changelog of the package. there isn't any logging for that type of thing though. the control file specifies which arches a package is built for
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11:11<friggle>ah, I did actually just find what I'm looking for. https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=gitit&suite=sid
11:12<friggle>I'm confused though, as it claims gitit on armel depends on libghc-pandoc-dev (= 1.8.2.1-2+b1) - yet that package seems to be available for armel as far as I can see
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11:13<ballison>i found a problem with rsyslog/logrotate. i noticed that rsyslog was writing to the XXXXX.1 version of the log files (example: /var/log/kern.1) and that file was getting HUGE and not rotating because logrotate was only looking as the current version of the file (/var/log/kern) which was not getting written to at all
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11:14<ballison>I found where this is happening. it's in /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog . There's a "invoke-rc.d rsyslog reload" command for post processing. that command does nothing.
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11:14<ballison>I've tried "invoke-rc.d rsyslog status" force-restart force-stop... everything. nothing works. so does invoke-rc.d do anything at all?
11:14<ballison>or is it just fundementally broken?
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11:15<Bushmills>ballison: that tends to happen when the program writing to the log didn't notice that the log file was renamed. reloading the program, or sending a signal to it are commonly the solutions.
11:16<Bushmills>you can reload programs from logrotate
11:16<ballison>Bushmills: thanks. that's what i just said.
11:17<ballison>Bushmills: The rsyslog file is calling "invoke-rc.d rsyslog reload" which is doing nothing.
11:17<ballison>Is there a fix for this?
11:18<Bushmills>try restart instead
11:18<ballison>Bushmills: Again... i tried "restart" "force-restart" every option and "invoke-rc.d" does absolutely nothing.
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11:20<sney>does it work if you execute the script directly, e.g. /etc/init.d/rsyslog restart ?
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11:20<ballison>Nothing how "invoke-rc.d" does absolutely nothing --> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XxuCSceN
11:20<ballison>sney: yes . /etc/init.d/rsyslog restart works.
11:20<Bushmills>restarted rsyslogd should have very little reason to log to logfile.1
11:22<ballison>Bushmills: that's not what i said. running /etc/cron.daily/logrotate is what's moving the files to the logfile.1 version which continues to get written to. Then the next time logrotate runs the logfile (with no .1) never got written to so there's nothing to rotate. Yet the logfile.1 continue to grow grow grow.
11:22<sney>I'd start looking in the bts now, for both logrotate and sysv-rc
11:22<Bushmills>right, "...which continues to get written to."
11:22<sney>see if you can find someone with the same issue. if you can't, file your own bug
11:22<Bushmills>and i said "restarted rsyslogd should have very little reason to log to logfile.1"
11:23<Bushmills>could mean that your rsyslogd isn't restarting
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11:23<sney>Bushmills: it would seem we have established that
11:24<sney>since the method logrotate uses to restart rsyslog apparently has no effect on ballison's system
11:24<Bushmills>well, he could say that that's not what he said :)
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11:25<ballison>sney: even if invoke-rc.d worked i still don't think it would help. because files like /var/log/auth.log rotate daily and in the /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog there's no restart command for the daily log rotations.
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11:26<ballison>sney: so everything moves to the .1 version and rsyslog still keeps writing to the file handle of the old file which is now the .1 version.
11:26<sney>hmm
11:26<sney>well, it's bug behaviour at any rate
11:26<sney>have you looked in the bts for any of these packages?
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11:27<ballison>sney: nope. i suck at looking up bug tracker stuff
11:28<anbe>ballison, do you have /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d ?
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11:28<ballison>anbe: yes
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11:29<anbe>pastebin it - it's controlling what invoke-rc.d does and in your case it seems to block it completely
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11:31<ballison>http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gBUTthWM
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11:33<ballison>anbe: But even if invoke-rc.d were working given the /etc/logrotate/rsyslog file's conf, it would only restart rsyslog once a week... for daily files like /var/log/auth it would fail to fix the problem.
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11:34<ballison>her's my /etc/logrotate/rsyslog file --> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vjXdyuyN
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11:35<Black_Prince>exit 101 denies everything
11:35<anbe>how did you install the system? this policy-rc.d is, I think, the one created by debootstrap when creating jails, e.g. for pbuilder
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11:41<anbe>ballison, there is a "invoke-rc.d rsyslog reload" for both the daily and the weekly rotations in the logrotate config you posted - so where is the problem?
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11:45<ballison>anbe: so the profile then is the /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d
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11:47<ballison>anbe: so the problem then is my /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d file.
11:48<ballison>if i remove the exit 101;; would that fix it?
11:48<Black_Prince>remove whole file
11:48<anbe>if this is a regular system (not a chroot environment) you should probably not need a policy-rc.d - where does it come from? how did you install the system?
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11:50<ballison>i have no idea how it got onto the systems
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11:57<ballison>I just spot checked. out of 208 systems, 48 had /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d file on them.
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12:07<fVckingmania>people I have a problem with postfix + clamsmtp this is the error log I get from postfix "" 11:56:44 mail October 14 postfix / master [3592]: fatal: bind 127.0.0.1 port 10025: Address already in use ""
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12:11<Black_Prince>fVckingmania, well obviously something is already listening on port 10025
12:12<fVckingmania>Black_Prince, but I got nothing on that port
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12:13<Black_Prince>netstat -nutpl ?
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12:14<fVckingmania>Black_Prince, tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:10025 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1184/clamsmtpd
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12:14<Black_Prince>Well, clamsmtpd is running on that port, you can't bind postfix there too
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12:17<fVckingmania>Black_Prince, but I need to bind postfix and clamav
12:17<Black_Prince>postfix's default port is 25 iirc
12:18<fVckingmania>look this are the lines on main.cf for the virusscan
12:18<fVckingmania>content_filter = scan:127.0.0.1:10025
12:18<fVckingmania>receive_override_options = no_address_mappings
12:19<Black_Prince>I have no idea what that means ...
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12:22<fVckingmania>Black_Prince, it just send all mails to clamav and then clamav return them
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12:24<stomanata>thanks kop but in other case i use soft from official site
12:24<stomanata>is this bad?
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12:25<samineru>All of my relevant apt operations are hanging at "connecting to ftp.us.debian.org" for quite a long time before going through, can anyone point me in the right direction for diagnosing this?
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12:27<gdb>samineru: Just sounds like the first mirror apt is trying to reach is down and it's timing out and moving down to a secondary mirror.
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12:28<jwebb>so i'm not sure where to ask about this, but it appears that policykit-1_0.96.orig.tar.gz in the pool on security.debian.org is different from the identically-named file in the pool on ftp.us.debian.org
12:29<jwebb>is that to be expected? it's giving reprepro fits
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12:29<samineru>gdb: That's what I'd think, but my sources.list just has ftp.us.debian.org for main repos, with security. and ftp. for updates. Do you know where I can find a list of specific mirrors to hardcode in? Or is that not appropriate
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12:30<Bushmills>sources.list is a config file.putting stuff into config files can hardly be called "hardcoding"
12:30<Bushmills>!mirrors
12:30<dpkg>Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net.
12:30<jhutchins_lt>The FTP servers were all down a couple of days ago, only http was working.
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12:31<trb>I disconnected from the xchat by mistake I can get the terminal open and I have the file ready I just want to coypy it
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12:31<trb>I am trying to add a file to the etc/udev/rules.d location and it is denying me permission how can I do thi
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12:31<trb>The file is simply this... File name 98-bispirate.rules and contains this statement... SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{serial}=="A5005D8K", GROUP="users", MODE="0660", SYMLINK+="buspira
12:31<lapfrog>i was writing makefiles before it was col B-/
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12:31<lapfrog>cool*
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12:32<samineru>!apt-spy
12:32<dpkg>a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using.
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12:32<samineru>!geo sources.list
12:32<dpkg>To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from cdn.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main". See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror for more information, or ask me about <sources.list>. Don't use this with Google DNS or similar.
12:33<samineru>!netselect-apt
12:33<dpkg>netselect-apt uses <netselect> to determine the fastest Debian mirror respective to your location, then writes a sources.list file for use with <apt>. See also <apt-spy>.
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12:35<trb>-rwxrwxrwx 1 user user 0 Nov 19 20:13 file4
12:35<trb>user@host:/home/user$
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12:39<anbe>trb, you need to be root to modify /etc/udev/rules.d/
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12:44<ersx>Hello!
12:44<ersx>speak russian?
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12:45<jhutchins_lt>!ru
12:45<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
12:45<ersx>thx!
12:45<ersx>:)
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12:46<stomanata>!bg
12:46<dpkg>Bulgarian users are invited to join #debian-bg @ irc.freenode.net (Vsichki bylgari sa pokaneni da se vkliuchat v #debian-bg @ irc.freenode.net)
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12:47<RalfJ>how can it be that http://packages.qa.debian.org/u/upower.html lists version 0.9.14-1 but clicking "changelog" shows some changelog from 0.9.5-5 (the current version in stable)? for otehr packages, that link shows the unstable/testing changelog as well...
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12:52<ersx>i have some problems with install debian 6 from USB Flash. Eroor text "boot failed". USB Flash created with Unetbootin utility from iso cd image.
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12:52<ersx>on win7
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12:53<Black_Prince>I don't think unetbootin will work for debian discs.
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12:54<Black_Prince>RalfJ, http://packages.debian.org/sid/upower ... Look at "Debian Resources" at right side.
12:55<Black_Prince>But, looks like changelog isn't present on the server :-|
12:55<RalfJ>that gives a 404
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12:55<RalfJ>I read it locally, in the mean time, but something is strange there
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12:56<RalfJ>the same applies to the pulseaudio package
12:56<RalfJ>I cant read their changelog in synaptic, either
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12:56<Black_Prince>Blame maintainers ... Or even ftpmaster :-|
12:57<RalfJ>is there a package toreport such problems against?
12:57<RalfJ>or an email address
12:57<RalfJ>?
12:57<ersx>heh
12:57<ersx>i resolve problem :)
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12:57<Black_Prince>RalfJ, don't know ... Maybe report bug for a package, and they'll redirect you if you are wrong ...
12:57<ersx>Universal USB Installer :) and boot success :) thx!
12:59<RalfJ>Black_Prince: hm... I doubt its a package problem as the changelog is there after instalaltion, but I have no idea how that QA stuff works
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13:28<capnhack>im getting the following kernel error on a fresh install of squeeze: [ 3.688676] PM: Error -22 checking image file ... it appears that the kernel is trying to resume from disk (hibernation image) on boot-up. is this a bios issue or software? I dont have pm-utils installed and, since this is a headless server, i dont really need suspend/hibernate/etc. functionality. any suggestions? thx in advance
13:29<Zaba>does it actually cause any problems?
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13:30<Zaba>that just means kernel has hibernate support built in and that there is no hibernate image. Ignore it.
13:30<capnhack>nope, i just want to get this message out of my logs
13:30<Zaba>you can rebuild a kernel with no hibernate support, but why bother?
13:30<hdon>i need a second pair of eyes cause i don't know what i'm doing wrong. is this ssh option correct for forwarding port 1337 on all ports from a remote host to port 1337 on the localhost loopback address? -R0.0.0.0:1337:127.0.0.1:1337
13:30<Zaba>maybe also boot with noresume or whatsitcalled
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13:30<hdon>s/on all ports/on all addresses
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13:31<hdon>i've also tried \* instead of 0.0.0.0 but ime both work
13:31<capnhack>ahh, ill look into noresume
13:31<Zaba>capnhack, why not just ignore it?
13:31<capnhack>i could, i just dont like having kernel errors and not knowing why they are occurring
13:31<hdon>is it possible that the sshd is configured not to allow me to reverse tunnel this port (or all ports) on all addresses?
13:32<Zaba>capnhack, now you do know.
13:32<capnhack>yes, i do, ty
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13:32<Zaba>it's actually not an error. Newer kernels have it rephrased, as "PM: Image not found (code -22)"
13:32<capnhack>ah, interesting... that makes me feel better actually :) ty
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13:33<capnhack>so basically, it always checks for a hib image if hib is enabled and if it finds one, it boots that, and if not, it gives the -22 message?
13:33<Zomb>hdon: rtfm for sshd_config?
13:33<cybersphinx>capnhack: Alternative solution: Start using hibernate :P
13:33<hdon>Zomb, ok thanks
13:33<Zomb>AllowTcpForwarding
13:33<Zomb> Specifies whether TCP forwarding is permitted. The default is “yes”. Note that disabling TCP forwarding does not improve security unless users are also denied shell access, as they can always
13:33<Zomb> install their own forwarders.
13:33<capnhack>lol, ja... well its a headless server, so not likely to hibernate much
13:35<Zaba>capnhack, basically yes, it always checks for the image. -22 looks like EINVAL, that is, "no valid image found".
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13:36<capnhack>zaba, gotcha. thanks again for your replies. <3
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13:36<Zaba>no problem
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13:42<charan>hi
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13:59<Vasistha>what's that command to restart things in /etc/init.d?
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13:59<Vasistha>oh yeah, invoke-rc.d
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14:03<xChatGnome>on my system monitor it shows debian - release stable-updates(sid). I have updated from squeeze to wheezy. then why its shows sid? and how it is showing sid as stable?
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14:06<xChatGnome> on my system monitor it shows debian - release stable-updates(sid). I have updated from squeeze to wheezy. then why its shows sid? and how it is showing sid as stable?
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14:07<RalfJ>xChatGnome: dont repost, it wont help ;-) just hope for someone to knpw the answer
14:07<RalfJ>and maybe repost after some hours (I dont know the exact policy), but not minutes
14:07<xChatGnome>ok
14:07<simonlnu>wait a little while to re-post, like 10 minutes or more
14:08<RalfJ>also, maybe specify what "system monitor" you are talking about
14:08<xChatGnome>ok, sorry for my ignorance. i am new in irc.
14:08<Vasistha>any opinions on madwifi vs ath5k?
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14:08<simonlnu>use what works better for your machine? :)
14:09<xChatGnome>System Monitor 2.28.1 View current processes and monitor system state
14:09<simonlnu>xChatGnome: weird. do you have any sid or unstable entries at all?
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14:09<simonlnu>in sources.list i mean
14:10<Vasistha>simonlnu: heh thanks :-) since linux 2.6.26 is in lenny, does lenny now have ath5k? /msg dpkg madwifi seems to indicate that ath5k is just for squeeze
14:10<RalfJ>xChatGnome: the one from gnome? is there a gnome-equivalent for #debian-kde... maybe someone can help you there
14:10<xChatGnome>yes i do updated from squeeze to wheezy, but its shows Release stable-updates (sid)
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14:11<xChatGnome>yes i do have wheezy entries on the sources list
14:11<simonlnu>yeh, well wheezy is testing/unstable
14:11<simonlnu>er, wheezy/sid
14:11<xChatGnome>but my doubt is why its showing wheezy as sid?
14:11<simonlnu>you probably still have some stable entries
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14:11<RalfJ>Its saying "Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid" in my /etc/issue even though I dont have sid stuff installed
14:11<simonlnu>do cat /etc/debian_version
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14:12<xChatGnome>i doubt so.. but is that bad ? keeping stable entries with unstable version?
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14:12<RalfJ>xChatGnome: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ? (feel free to ask if you dont know how and where^^)
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14:13<xChatGnome>yes. i think i could. within seconds.
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14:15<xChatGnome>deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib
14:15<xChatGnome>deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy contrib non-free main
14:15<xChatGnome>deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
14:15<xChatGnome>deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
14:15<xChatGnome>deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib
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14:16<RalfJ>xChatGnome: dont paste into the channel
14:16<simonlnu>XchatGnome don't paste in the channel, you'll get kicked like you did
14:16<simonlnu>xChatGnome: no, but it's better to have them in sync; and testing/unstable don't always have the stable lines, like stable-updates/squeeze-updates
14:16<xChatGnome>:) what was that
14:16<RalfJ>xChatGnome: you flood the channel and got kicked
14:16<Vasistha>!tell xChatGnome about paste
14:17<xChatGnome>then what should i do?
14:17<Vasistha>what dpkg tells you.
14:17<RalfJ>if you want to paste anything longer than a few characters (config files, error messages, whatever), use use http://paste.debian.net
14:17<simonlnu>use a pastebin like RalfJ said
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14:17<xChatGnome>ok
14:18<xChatGnome>i have to learn that first.
14:18<RalfJ>if that was the first time, its okay - it happened to me, too, when I was enw in IRC
14:18<RalfJ>just make sure it does not happen again
14:18<xChatGnome>what if it again happened as an accident?
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14:20<amphi>xChatGnome: you must do grovelling, in that case
14:21<xChatGnome>http://paste.debian.net/136506
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14:23<RalfJ>xChatGnome: you definitely still hav squeeze lines in there, as you can see
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14:23<RalfJ>you should remove them
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14:23<ompaul>!tell xChatGnome about frankendebian
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14:23<ompaul>xChatGnome: please check the bot message
14:23<xChatGnome>ok. but why should i remove them, what could be worse if that exists there?
14:24<RalfJ>also, are you aware that you are using 3rd party packages from ftp.jaist.ac.jp ?
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14:24<xChatGnome>what is the bo message?
14:24<ompaul>xChatGnome: see the message from the bot - see the tab from dpkg
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14:25<ompaul>xChatGnome: basically you don't mix and match you can and will end up with silly breaking things
14:25<xChatGnome>yeah.. i added that line for something that i do not remember now.
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14:26<FragByte>thats a mirror
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14:26<xChatGnome>okay. now does clearing that line does make things fine?
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14:26<RalfJ>there are two sequeeze lines, both should be removed
14:26<RalfJ>(the cd one is commented, it doesnt matter)
14:26<xChatGnome>okay
14:26<xChatGnome>ok
14:26<ompaul>xChatGnome: when you do that you will note you have written in many lines that are the same
14:26<RalfJ>and then re-laod your package data... "apt-get update"
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14:27<RalfJ>oh, right... actually two lines suffice
14:27<xChatGnome>ok
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14:27<RalfJ>like this (which uses the German mirror, of course): http://paste.debian.net/136509/
14:27<ompaul>xChatGnome: here have a look http://paste.debian.net/136508/
14:28<FragByte>ompaul: its a mirror
14:28<xChatGnome>ok
14:28<RalfJ>ompaul: should he add wheezy/updates ?
14:28<RalfJ>the installer added it for me
14:28*ompaul looks again edit error on me
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14:28<ompaul>ahh
14:28<ompaul>well that depends
14:29<ompaul>xChatGnome: get rid of that .ac.jp line also
14:29<ompaul>xChatGnome: why are you running testing?
14:29<xChatGnome>ok
14:29<ompaul>s/running/trying to/g
14:29<RalfJ>are you in japan, xChatGnome? isnt there something like ftp.jp.debian.org?
14:30<xChatGnome>just to know whats in a testing,
14:30<RalfJ>yes there is... so if you added that mirror as it is closer to you, concider using jp.debian.org instead, which is the offiical mirror
14:30<ompaul>xChatGnome: expect it to break - it always does
14:31<amphi>xChatGnome: but you can keep the pieces!
14:31<xChatGnome>no no, am from India.. that Japan thing happened to me because my update server was set to India, and i wasnt able to download from that mirror.
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14:32<RalfJ>us isnt the best choice then, though, I think
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14:32<RalfJ>check http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
14:32<xChatGnome>yeah.. but it worked as i do not have to worry because my download speed is almost 30 KB/sec
14:33<RalfJ>(which lists ftp.jaist.ac.jp , btw... but Id prefer a primary mirror, if possible
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14:33<xChatGnome>ok. but something wasnt working with the default options thats why i changed it.
14:34<RalfJ>okay, the list should then look like http://paste.debian.net/136510/
14:34<xChatGnome>oh, i only need those two line in sources.list. right?
14:35<RalfJ>exactly
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14:35<xChatGnome>ok. i will do that, if am not rude, where are you from?
14:35<RalfJ>I didnt add the deb-src lins because you had only one, which would not have been enough... so I assme you dont plan to do programming. the deb-src are necessary to work on/with the debian package source code.
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14:35<RalfJ>Im from Germany
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14:35<FragByte>there are no security updates for wheezy, or have i missed something ?
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14:36<RalfJ>which is why I ahd the de mirror in the first version I pasted ;-)
14:36<RalfJ>FragByte: well, taht repo exists...
14:36<xChatGnome>no am not a programmer.
14:36<xChatGnome>ok.
14:36<RalfJ>FragByte: and the installer adds it per default
14:37<xChatGnome>does a non-programmer need that entry?
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14:37<FragByte>official debian states that there in fact are no security releases and users are encouraged to change there lines to point at squeeze
14:37<ballison>Stupid UI question: I accidently removed the volume applet from my menu bar at the top right. how do i put it back? i don't see it in the list of applets for the menubar.
14:38<flower>nope xChatGnome
14:38<RalfJ>xChatGnome: no you probably dont need it
14:38<RalfJ>FragByte: the sequeeze one? but how can taht help, the wheezy version will usually be much higher already, even if it is bumped for the fix...
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14:38<FragByte>http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ states that
14:38<RalfJ>the repo is empty, so I guess I could remove it... but then, why does it evene xist?
14:38<FragByte>not me
14:39<FragByte>i guess its for when wheezy becomes stable
14:39<RalfJ>FragByte: http://www.debian.org/security/faq.en.html#testing says that it will be filled, if necessary...
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14:40<RalfJ>(it = the repo)
14:40<xChatGnome>thank you very much RalfJ. I am going to change the sources and after that straight to bed. its 12.10 Am here.. so good night. and thanks for all of you for help.
14:41<RalfJ>no problem, and good luck with your debian! be prepared for testing to... break occasionally^^ (though it doesnt work less smooth than any otehr distro I used)
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14:43<FragByte>RalfJ: never read that, thx
14:44-!-mode/#debian [+l 527] by debhelper
14:44<RalfJ>FragByte: it kind of contradcits the source you gave
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14:44<RalfJ>but then, just adding the security repo cant do any harm :D
14:45<FragByte>i think so, though i could imagine that the information on the former page means updating old-testing (squeeze) to new testing (wheezy) but dont know
14:45<FragByte>in that case you could just keep squeeze and not update to wheezy
14:46*RalfJ doesn't know either
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14:57<nardev>is there anyone to help me with imagemagick? when i crop image it gives me al those rest parts that i don't want... i want only part that i describe in parameter ex: for file in *.jpg; do convert -crop 600x450x10x90 $file cropped_$file; done
14:58<bartm>rest parts ?
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14:59<XeonBloomfield>Hello
14:59<XeonBloomfield>Which drivers use for GF4 MX440?
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14:59<XeonBloomfield>nouveau or nvidia drivers?
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15:02<apo>XeonBloomfield: Nouveau is the open source driver for nvidia and should be your first choice, but if you need sophisticated 3D support and nouveau does'nt work you can try nvidia
15:03<XeonBloomfield>apo: I am checking that graphic card performance instead of integrated Intel's GPU on motherboard
15:05<chealer_>!tell XeonBloomfield about ngd
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15:06<XeonBloomfield>chealer: I checked that page
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15:07<XeonBloomfield>chealer: I set up Nouveau and restaring Xorg now
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15:18<epy>hi All
15:18<epy>please, can you tell me in which package can i find the dpkg-depcheck utility ?
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15:22<bartm>epy, devscripts
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15:22<RalfJ>epy: install command-not-found, it can tell you for (almost) all programs which package you have to install
15:22<RalfJ>and its generally really useful :D
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15:23<epy>thanks
15:23<bim_ir_>wow, cool package
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15:24<epy>but it given't me this usefull information :-)
15:24<bim_ir_>requires libcurl, curl, libssh, libconfig, ...
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15:24<bim_ir_>You need to run 'update-command-not-found' as root to update the cache. # :)
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15:25<epy>hummm but it doesn't work as aspected :-(
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15:25<epy>oh!
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15:25<apo>epy: you can also find the package with aptitude search '~ddpkg-depcheck'
15:26<epy>oh! thanks for these info :-9
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15:26<epy>.. i installed it .. but running it on a test i'm doing, i received the following werror : http://paste.debian.net/136519/
15:26<stomanata>hi
15:27<stomanata>how can i separate my virtual desktops
15:27<stomanata>now i have 4 app open
15:27<bim_ir_>stomanata: your DE/WM?
15:27<stomanata>for 1 app i give to be on desktop2.
15:27<stomanata>what is de, and what wm?
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15:27<bim_ir_>stomanata: it's generally not possible with gnome
15:28<stomanata>i`m with kde. may be 4 :)
15:28<bim_ir_>you do need devilspie or get some better WM like e16
15:28<bim_ir_>I don't know about KDE much, wait then
15:29<stomanata>what is wm?
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15:29<epy>oh! it works if i provide the cmake exec instead
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15:32<kenyon>you can also use apt-file to list and find files in packages that aren't installed
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15:33<kenyon>stomanata: WM = window manager
15:34<bim_ir_>stomanata: window manager; for example, in gnome DE, it is metacity (or some other one)
15:34<kenyon>DE = desktop environment
15:35<stomanata>aha
15:35<stomanata>thanks
15:35<stomanata>it`s kde :)
15:35<stomanata>but virtual desktops don`t work fine :(
15:35<Black_Prince>Apart from metacity, there is compiz, gnome-shell and mutter that I know of.
15:35<bim_ir_>he's on KDE anyway :)
15:36<Black_Prince>KDE is evil. :-/
15:36<bim_ir_>ah, don't start that
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15:36<stomanata>what other to say?
15:36<kenyon>multiple workspaces worked fine last time I tried KDE
15:36<stomanata>i don`t understand enough....
15:36<Black_Prince>Dude, too much K in it ... Must be pure evil ... It's like sith invented it :-/
15:37*Black_Prince stops for now.
15:37<stomanata>but all my windows appear. no matter on wich deskop i am
15:37<bim_ir_>stomanata: maybe #kde on freenode is the place you can ask more
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15:38<RalfJ>stomanata: there's also #debian-kde on this IRC server
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15:38<bim_ir_>ah, even so :)
15:38<stomanata>10x. i`ll try :)
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15:38<lastwill>hello everybody!
15:38<stomanata>#kde is empty :)
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15:39<bim_ir_>stomanata: haven't I said "on freenode"?
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15:39<bim_ir_>stomanata: but yep, try #debian-kde
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15:40<stomanata>?!?!?!
15:40<stomanata>we`re on freenode now?
15:41<lastwill>nope
15:41<bim_ir_>stomanata: no ;)
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15:42<stomanata>ooooooo, yes yes. my mistake :)
15:42<bim_ir_>I'd say it's more OFTC :)
15:42<stomanata>irc.freenode.org is the place :)
15:42<lastwill>Is there a mean to upgrade a module without upgrading the whole kernel?
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15:42<bim_ir_>lastwill: depends on what do you want and on module
15:43<lastwill>I mean without rebuilding it.
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15:43<crd_>Does Debian GNU/kFreeBSD have a mechanism for setting/unsetting rfkill soft blocks (on intel 3945abg cards, specifically)?
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15:44<lastwill>I need the latest snd-hda-intel module for the alc269 sound chip.
15:44<bim_ir_>the question of crd_ makes me unhappy :/
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15:44<crd_>Why is that?
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15:44<bim_ir_>crd_: it makes me feel myself stupid
15:45<lastwill>I built it from the source but the last security upgrade from the kernel broke my system.
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15:45<Black_Prince>lastwill, rebuild alsa-driver ?
15:46<lastwill>yep
15:46<bim_ir_>lastwill: then 1) rebuild it again and never update from repos; 2) follow the repos
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15:46<kenyon>or create your own local repository and rebuild the package with higher version numbers
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15:47<kenyon>or use apt-pinning to prefer your local repository
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15:47<Black_Prince>$ cat /proc/asound/version
15:47<Black_Prince>Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.24.
15:47<Black_Prince>On Debian Squeeze + Backports ...
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15:47<lastwill>1) means my system won't be fixed, 2) means the sound won't work correctly
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15:47<crd_>Don't feel bad bim_ir_, it took my many months of research to figure out how to turn my wireless card on under GNU/Linux. It's only in the last few months that it's started working "out of the box" at all (in Debian, pleasantly enough).
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15:48<lastwill>at least for the mic recording
15:48<bim_ir_>crd_: okay okay :)
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15:48<Black_Prince>lastwill, have you tried playing with modprobe config files?
15:48<zem2>i just installed debian (wheezy) on a box and when i want to shut it down something crashes, there is some crash dump, but it scrolls and i can't see what it is
15:48<Black_Prince>Like setting correct options for snd-hda-intel to fit your card or so?
15:48<lastwill>yep
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15:49<zem2>is there a log of shutdown procedure?
15:49<lastwill>i added the option for the snd-hda-intel module set with several model
15:49<crd_>Is there a kFreeBSD specific cannel I can ask my question in?
15:49<lastwill>none solved the mic problem
15:50<lastwill>so i ended building the module from the source code
15:50<Black_Prince>crd_, maybe #debian-kbsd
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15:50<crd_>Thanks Black_Prince.
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15:53<lastwill>Pining the linux-image package from the sid distrib will upgrade too much my system only from one module.
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15:54<lastwill>I'm looking for a middle solution.
15:54<Black_Prince>lastwill, for squeeze use backported kernel. It has alsa 1.0.24 ... As I shown above
15:54<Black_Prince>have shown, that is ...
15:54<lastwill>really?
15:55<lastwill>i didn't notice that.
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15:56<Black_Prince>lastwill, http://paste.debian.net/136522/
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15:59<lastwill>well that looks good but i'm wondering if backports package are followed by the security team?
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15:59<Black_Prince>They are followed by backports team ...
16:00<Black_Prince>It is ussually package from testing/unstable rebuilt for stable distro. If testing/unstable recieves a fix or so, backported version will recieve it too
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16:01<bim_ir_>is stable = lenny?
16:01<lastwill>i would prefer to use a "safe" kernel with the latest module
16:01<XeonBloomfield>Hello
16:01<lastwill>stable=squeeze
16:02<bim_ir_>ah, anyway, gcc 4.4.5 is very ancient :)
16:02<XeonBloomfield>Is there any possibility of decrypting password in Debian Squeeze?
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16:02<bim_ir_>XeonBloomfield: what? why? wouldn't it be simplier to boot in su-mode and passwd root?
16:02<lastwill>XeonBloomfield, yes. Be patient. :-)
16:03<Black_Prince>oldstable = lenny ...
16:03<XeonBloomfield>bim_ir_: I want to decrypt password, not change it
16:03<valdyn>XeonBloomfield: sure but why bother?
16:03<bim_ir_>XeonBloomfield: looks like hacking into some other's machine
16:03<bim_ir_>sorry, I'd never help on hacking
16:04-!-mode/#debian [+l 521] by debhelper
16:04<lastwill>hacking or cracking?
16:04<XeonBloomfield>bim_ir_: I do not want to hack anyone
16:04<kenyon>XeonBloomfield: look at the crack and john packages
16:04<Black_Prince>Debian uses sha512 for password encryption ... It would take a while to decrypt it :-/
16:04<valdyn>bim_ir_: decrypting makes only sense when you can already see the encrypted password
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16:05<bim_ir_>valdyn: thx, otherwise it's called "bruteforce" :)
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16:05<jefko>!list
16:05<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
16:05<XeonBloomfield>People! I've got the same password on my few computes - better look to decrypt password on the most powerful machine than change it in su-mode
16:05<Black_Prince>And using brute force on sha512 could take forever ...
16:06<bim_ir_>yeah
16:06<bim_ir_>well, for 12345 it would be fast ;)
16:06<XeonBloomfield>I've got powerful password, really powerful.
16:06<XeonBloomfield>in case with md5 it takes days to break it...
16:06<valdyn>XeonBloomfield: decrypt the one that is md5
16:06<XeonBloomfield>or weeks
16:07<bim_ir_>XeonBloomfield: "on my few computes"... can you recall it, maybe?
16:07<bim_ir_>(a password)
16:07<Black_Prince>But decrypting something like 7h!s15H@RdP@SSWrD could take theoreticaly forever on todays faster machine ...
16:07<XeonBloomfield>Black_Prince: ARGH! I've got password like it :P
16:08*Black_Prince goes to hack XeonBloomfield's machines
16:08<lastwill>Pray Jesus it's faster!
16:08<lastwill>:-D
16:08<jefko>!list
16:08<XeonBloomfield>Black_Prince: I tell something like it as compilation of chars and length
16:08<dpkg>jefko: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
16:08<bim_ir_>which language is that?
16:09*Black_Prince detect religious stuff and runs away
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16:10<bim_ir_>btw, is there any place where I can look for stable-to-some-toystory-char and testing-to-some-char?
16:10<XeonBloomfield>People... So there is not possible to break my "1aB2DcD72JDcDa&" password fast?
16:10<bim_ir_>in 4 years, I'm totally lost
16:10<bim_ir_>except sid, of course :)
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16:11<lastwill>www.debian.org
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16:11<bim_ir_>lastwill: I'm serious
16:11<Black_Prince>XeonBloomfield, if you are dude from Hackers 2 movie which owns several thousands computers then it may be possible (they used 56bit encryption in movie)
16:11<kenyon>XeonBloomfield: did you even look at the packages I mentioned?
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16:12<XeonBloomfield>kenyon: John don't find password in unshadowed file
16:12<lastwill>https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Debian
16:12<kenyon>XeonBloomfield: so?
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16:13<XeonBloomfield>kenyon: it is not able to find password
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16:13<bim_ir_>lastwill: wow, wikipedia... how fast is it updated? may I rely on the fresh info?
16:14<lastwill>bim_ir, the page looks updated
16:14<lastwill>have you look at the table?
16:14<kenyon>you could also look at the history or the bottom of the page: This page was last modified on 2011-10-10 at 02:30:18.
16:15<bim_ir_>lastwill: yep, but I did myself hijacking windows article, chaning everything there... it lasted for 4 hours
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16:16<bim_ir_>s/aning/anging/
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16:17<lastwill>double-checking wikipedia's information is more than recommended for reliable information.
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16:20<kenyon>XeonBloomfield: sure looks like they are finding passwords with john here http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/unix-linux-password-cracking-john-the-ripper/
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16:26<XeonBloomfield>kenyon: It don't find Squezee sha512 crypted password
16:26<XeonBloomfield>I've got and idea to restore the password!
16:27<bartm>XeonBloomfield, I think that this password cracking is off topic here
16:28<XeonBloomfield>bartm: But it's password cracking of Debian Squeeze
16:29<XeonBloomfield>so it is topic right here
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16:30<lastwill>This topic doesn't need a user support.
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16:31<lastwill>You can crack it yourself with time.
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16:34<XeonBloomfield>lastwill: But I have not tools for that
16:34<ompaul>XeonBloomfield: he was right about it being offtopic, seriously I'll give testament to that.
16:34<XeonBloomfield>ok
16:35<XeonBloomfield>I'll change passwords on all computers by root... Argh... Too much PCs :P
16:35<lastwill>The brain is the best tool for the job. ;-)
16:35<XeonBloomfield>lastwill: I remember password which give me root power ;)
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16:36<ompaul>and so we wait on the next ontopic question
16:37<Black_Prince>dpkg, next
16:37<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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16:38<binspace>How can I configure the workspace switcher?
16:38<binspace>on 11.10
16:38<Black_Prince>dpkg, ubuntu
16:38<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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16:38<XeonBloomfield>AAAaaaa
16:38<XeonBloomfield>I've got great on-topic question!
16:38<Hydroxide>binspace: see what dpkg just told you ^^^
16:38<XeonBloomfield>I've got problem with Squezee's Xfce window placement
16:39<binspace>Hydroxide: whaaaa?
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16:40<XeonBloomfield>People, I will sent screenshot which shows problem with Xfce
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16:40<XeonBloomfield>http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/3200/screenshot1014201110392.png
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16:40<Hydroxide>binspace: you are using Ubuntu. We cannot support Ubuntu here. Go to #ubuntu on irc.ubuntu.com aka irc.freenode.net aka Freenode for help with Ubuntu.
16:40<XeonBloomfield>Why windows are placed few pixels from bottom bar?
16:40<binspace>Hydroxide: ooh, sorry. xchat opened debian by default. weird
16:40<Hydroxide>binspace: even though Ubuntu is based on Debian, enough differences exist that #ubuntu doesn't support Debian and #debian doesn't support Ubuntu.
16:41<Hydroxide>binspace: Ubuntu really needs to patch their xchat to go to #ubuntu on Freenode :-)
16:41<XeonBloomfield>ppl
16:41<Hydroxide>binspace: I guess they haven't.
16:41<XeonBloomfield>anyone want help me with it?
16:41<bartm>binspace, submit a bug report in ubuntu against the xchat package
16:41<binspace>bartm: ok
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16:41<Nemoder>XeonBloomfield: go to settings/workspaces
16:41<Nemoder>should be able to change the alignment there
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16:43<XeonBloomfield>Nemoder: I am able to setup only margins here
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16:44<vladark>hello guys. O_o after ubuntu update touchpad doesnt work. Any ideas whats wrong?)
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16:45<Nemoder>!tell vladark -about ubuntu
16:45<bartm>vladark, go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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16:45<vladark>okaay, thx)
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16:46<Hydroxide>I wonder if Ubuntu has regressed their IRC client defaults to make fewer of them point to the correct user support channel, or if the increase in misdirected inquiries is simply because 11.10 just came out
16:47<Hydroxide>I'm not suggesting anything intentional on their part, of course, even if there is a regression
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16:50<Black_Prince>when was 11.10 released?
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16:50<Nemoder>about a year too soon as usual :P
16:51<lastwill>Maybe Ubuntu users "bought" Ubuntu as a Debian distribution but they will realize soon it's not the case.
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16:51<kenyon>Black_Prince: yesterday
16:51<vladark>:O omg. also,realise was yesterday
16:52*Black_Prince wonders why Shuttlework didn't wait 11.11.11 ... Last year it was 10.10.10 :-/
16:52<Hydroxide>Black_Prince: hehe :)
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16:52<lastwill>11.10 >> 6.0.3?
16:52<Black_Prince>/offtopic
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16:53<Hydroxide>lastwill: I don't think Ubuntu promotes its Debian connection nearly enough for it to be the reason people are asking for support in #debian. [see? on topic, briefly!]
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16:54<clock>When I maximize youtube video in iceweasel in Debian 6.0 to fullscreen, Iceweasel crashes (disappears) regularly. How can I make it not crash?
16:54<Nemoder>ubuntu devs are pretty good about directing to their own support channels, it must be community members pointing them here. or default client channel i guess
16:54<vladark>also, i thought Debian and Ubunty pretty-same :[
16:54<kenyon>it's not the default client channel, but apparently listed closely nearby
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16:55<lastwill>Some users think Ubuntu could be the easiest way to be a nerd.
16:55<Hydroxide>default client channel is my guess, especially for IRC clients that are in universe and don't receive careful attention from canonical-paid employees. maybe what kenyon said is true for some highly curated clients, but I doubt it's true for all of them
16:55<valdyn>clock: use newer iceweasel, see http://mozilla.debian.net
16:55<lastwill>They should try Debian first!
16:55<lastwill>:-)
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16:55*Black_Prince suspects gnash
16:55<clock>valdyn, I have Debian already updated to the max, it means iceweasel is at the newest?
16:55<Nemoder>clock: try using html5 instead of flash http://www.youtube.com/html5
16:55<Hydroxide>vladark: Ubuntu is based on Debian. they do update their base to newer and newer Debian every now and then. But they change a lot of pretty core and not-so-core stuff, so it's different enough to require separate support. That's true for roughly all Debian derivatives, to varying degrees.
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16:56<clock>valdyn, I have Iceweasel 3.5.16
16:56<apo>clock: maybe the crash is related to flash, what happens if you use html5 support on youtube? www.youtube.com/html5
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16:56<valdyn>clock: i know that, i already gave my suggestion
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16:56<Black_Prince>clock, mozilla.debian.net has iceweasel 7.0.1 ... Install it from there
16:57<kenyon>clock: there are reports of that: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=598390 http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/12/msg00201.html
16:57<vladark>Hydroxide: understood :)
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16:58<clock>apo, looks like for html5 my browser is too old
16:58<clock>mozila.debian.net suggests to put some backport lines into my sources list, will it cause also other software to upgrade?
16:59<steinex>clock: No. It's just for Iceweasel.
16:59<lastwill>Is VP8 still very slow?
16:59<clock>even this line? deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main
16:59<Black_Prince>and cairo, and nss ... (Hey, be happy ... You will get better font rendering with newer version of cairo)
16:59<apo>clock: ok, then you should follow valdyns suggestion and upgrade to iceweasel 7 backports from mozilla.debian.net
17:00<steinex>clock: Yes. If you add Backports to sources.list, you still need to manually install backports.
17:00<clock>that is the t switch in this command? apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel
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17:01<steinex>clock: correct
17:01<clock>ok thanks
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17:02<steinex>clock: I was a bit unclear though, read what Black_Prince said. If you install iceweasel from backports *some* packages will be upgraded alongside as a depency of newer Iceweasel. But this is minor and does no harm.
17:03<Black_Prince>Correction: iceweasel is not in backports. It is in mozilla.debian.net which has nothing to do with backports. Thus no need for -t squeeze-backports switch.
17:04<clock>apo, and when something breaks in my system and I ask, will people say thats because I tweaked sources.list?
17:04<valdyn>!mdn
17:04<dpkg>Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy or sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other xul-using applications. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>.
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17:04<valdyn>clock: thats possible
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17:05<clock>ok then i better use youtube-dl
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17:05<clock>can play youtube much smoother and uses negligible CPU compared to flash
17:05<steinex>clock: It's very unlikely though. backports are a well accepted institution and i guess virtually everyone using squeeze as a desktop is using mozilla.debian.net
17:06<apo>clock: i'm using mozilla.debian.net and iceweasel 7 is working fine, but i cannont guarantee it is working on every system.
17:06<clock>apo, which codename do i have to select in the mozilla.debian.net to get iceweasel 7? I can't find it
17:06<steinex>clock: release
17:07<valdyn>clock: you dont need 7, you need release, its just 7 right now incidentally
17:07<clock>OK thanks and can I put the whole backport things back when it doesn't do good?
17:07<apo>mozilla.debian.net is very precise about that. choose iceweasel release
17:07<clock>including the cairo etc. which get installed as dependency of iceweasel?
17:07*Black_Prince is using m.d.n and b.d.o ... That includes backported iceweasel, icedove, xorg, kernel, gnash, sane, libreoffice, tor, network-manager, mesa gl implementation, nss, nspr, cairo, sqlite, libdrm, etc ...
17:07<steinex>clock: yes, downgrades should be painless.
17:08<valdyn>clock: why do i get the impression that you trust random people more than some semi offical site like mdn?
17:08<clock>steinex, how to downgrade? Remove the lines, do update and dist-upgrade?
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17:08<valdyn>clock: no its not that simple
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17:09<steinex>clock: remove the lines, apt-get install iceweasel=<squeeze version>
17:09<steinex>that done, check for ~bpo leftovers, remove them.
17:10<steinex>(dpkg -l|grep '~bpo')
17:10<steinex>no black magic, if you really need to downgrade i think you are welcome here to ask for howto in detail.
17:10<clock>valdyn, I feel disrespected when you ask me why you get impression that I trust random people more than some semi offical site like mdn
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18:03<gaba>hi, i'm having some issues with the partition in debian. I partitioned the disk with the debian installer and now the root doesnt have space. But when I see the partition table I'm getting kind of confused.
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18:04<Giardo>I have to ask some information about daemons programming in C language... someone here can help me? I expecially need help for logging, threads and init.d scripts :-)
18:05<themill>Giardo: ##c on irc.freenode.net might be a better place
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18:05<Giardo>ok :-) thanks
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18:08<mohamed>hi
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18:10<matematiko>Hi all, any recomendations/guide on how to install gcc-4.5 and g++-4.5 ? Thanks
18:11<matematiko>Sorry, on debian 6.0.3
18:12<themill>You can do so in a chroot.
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18:20<nitebirdz>themill: is there a software modules package on 6.0.3? I don't see it in the output of 'apt-cache search'
18:21<nitebirdz>http://modules.sourceforge.net/
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18:23<matematiko>@themill: No for gcc-4.5, it is considered unstable, I think it made "testing" rank back in september
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18:27<aharvey>I notice gnome-session 3 has reached unstable. It pulls in gnome-shell. If I upgrade will I have the choice of gnome-shell or my current gnome desktop or will it replace what I see now?
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18:30<Hossi>Hi, running wheezy. Google image search works with iceweasel but isn't shown with iceape. Any hints ?
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18:38<capnhack>i have an exim4 config question on squeeze (exim4 v4.72-6+squeeze2); on a virtual webserver, I'd like all root mail to be routed to someuser@someotherbox.domain.org; is it possible to set this up using dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config (one of the smarthost options) or do I need to keep local delivery on the virtual machine and set up an alias/forwarder? thx in advance
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18:40<capnhack>i found an out of date howto on debian-administration.org but the /etc/exim/exim.conf doesnt appear to exist anymore
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18:41<kenyon>capnhack: use /etc/aliases
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18:42<kenyon>sounds like you just want all mail to root to go to some other address, so the line would be root: some@otheraddress
18:43<capnhack>cool ty
18:43<capnhack>and configure exim4 on the virtualbox for localhost mail only, yeah?
18:44<capnhack>or actually, internet site i guess if it needs to forward mail
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19:02<Hossi>Hi, running wheezy. Google image search works with iceweasel but isn't shown with iceape. Any hints ?
19:02<macarthur_>OK, I need to know what all I have to do beyond upgrading the packages that debian tells me need to be upgraded for upgrading my kernel, since I need to use the newer kernel(from backports) so that I can have wireless and various other drivers.
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19:11<bst_>arri: #debianppc and view http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/
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19:15<capnhack>kenyon, so i have local delivery working but anything that is outbound gets returned with an "unroutable" error... even tho the target FQDN resolves with ping... any suggestions? ive read forum posts that debian exim4 configuration for anything but local delivery can be difficult
19:15<arri>bst_ : thanks.. just found it.i had looked for #debian-ppc on this page http://wiki.debian.org/IRC - but didn't find it before, because it's actually #debianppc without the dash
19:16<kenyon>capnhack: not sure, I use postfix, never set up exim before
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19:16<capnhack>kenyon, gotcha... thats what one poster said too :)
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19:26<samuel_>boa noite pessoal
19:26<samuel_>alguem conhece algum programa similar ao recordmydesktop
19:26<samuel_>o mesmo não é totalmente compativel com o gnome3.0
19:27<samuel_>sorry
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19:41<Cozminsky>capnhack: do you have a dnslookup router?
19:42<capnhack>cozminsky, I have a local dns server that resolves local hostnames/domains
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19:43<capnhack>or i can add the target to my hosts file, if that will make a difference
19:43<capnhack>on the virtual server
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19:44<amitz>anybody notice this behavior, apt-cacher-ng in debian lenny uses connection to internet without being triggered?
19:44<amitz>sorry, debian squeeze.
19:44<Cozminsky>capnhack: it won't consult hosts file, what does your exim configuration say about the dnslookup router?
19:45<capnhack>sec
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19:48<capnhack>cozminsky, so there's the exim4.conf.template file and theres the update-exim4.conf.conf file... in the latter (which is modified by dpkg-reconfigure) there's no mention of a dnslookup router... only a minimaldns setting which is false
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19:49<Cozminsky>capnhack: the real config gets generated from all the files under conf.d and put into a file /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated
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19:50<Cozminsky>capnhack: so either look in conf.d/routers or in /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated
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19:55<haled>is there any risk in running: "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade -y" ?
19:55<capnhack>cozminsky, so i have two sections in /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated with settings, dnslookup_relay_to_domains and dnslookup ... in the latter there are about 8 lines including ignore_target_hosts with 192.168.0.0/16
19:55<capnhack>and domains = ! +local_domains
19:56<Cozminsky>haled: yes, but not very big if you're running stable
19:56<haled>Cozminsky, what's the main risk?
19:56<haled>assuming stable
19:56<capnhack>driver = dnslookup
19:56<Cozminsky>capnhack: so the host you're trying to relay the mail to, is it in one of these forbid adresses? is the domain in relay domains?
19:57<Cozminsky>haled: mostly that services will be restarted when new versions of a daemon are installed and create downtime
19:58<haled>Cozminsky, appreciate the answer. thank you
19:58<Cozminsky>haled: usually only of a few seconds, but if something has been running for a while and you have changed the config file without restarting it things might break
19:58<capnhack>cozminsky, yes the target is in 192.168.0.0/16 ... should I remove that manually from ignore_target_hosts?
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19:59<capnhack>why is that even there?
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19:59<Cozminsky>capnhack: security, if people put 192.168... as an address for their mail server they might be able to attack an internal host through smtp
20:00<Cozminsky>capnhack: so you actually want to put the target host in relay_domains
20:00<capnhack>can i do that via dpkg-reconfigure? editing these auto-generated conf files makes me nervous :)
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20:01<Cozminsky>capnhack: yes, it has a question asking what other domains you'd like to relay mail for
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20:01<capnhack>cozminsky: doesnt it seem strange that i have to set up a target for an email as a relay tho? is that just b/c its on my local 192.168 network?
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20:04<Cozminsky>capnhack: the price you pay for a bit more security. Not trusting user input
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20:06<capnhack>cozminsky, still no go. i added my local domain to the relay list and 192.168.0.0/16 to the relay for hosts entries and it still gets bounced as unroutable
20:07<capnhack>cozminsky, I read that someone added "DCconfig_internet=1" to their /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template file as a work-around to this issue, any thoughts on that?
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20:09<Cozminsky>capnhack: as root you can try running exim -bt foo@example.org to see what it tries to do in order to deliver a message
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20:09<Cozminsky>capnhack: -v will increase the verbosity and is often helpful
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20:11<capnhack>R: dnslookup for me@myotherbox.com \n me@myotherbox.com is undeliverable: Unroutable address
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20:13<capnhack>tried it with -v (i assume you mean exim -bt -v foo@bar.com ?)
20:13<Cozminsky>capnhack: exim -v -bt foo@example.org
20:13<Cozminsky>capnhack: the address is argument to -bt
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20:15<Cozminsky>capnhack: and dig myotherbox.example.com MX resolves to a hostname, or dig myotherbox.example.com A resolves to the correct ip?
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20:18<capnhack>ahh... the latter resolves to the correct local IP but the former (MX) doesn't resolve to an IP
20:18<Cozminsky>capnhack: MX shouldn't resolve to an ip
20:18<capnhack>err i guess it owuldnt
20:18<capnhack>yea sorry i just realized that
20:18<capnhack>but the FQDN is correct
20:19<capnhack>well actually, theres no answer section in the dig output for the MX entry, is that appropriate?
20:19<Cozminsky>capnhack: if you don't have an MX then an A record is treated as an implicit MX record with a priority of 0
20:19<capnhack>ahh ok
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20:19<capnhack>so the A record resolves to the correct fqdn and ip
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20:22<Cozminsky>capnhack: It sounds like it should be working, exim -d is even more verbose than -v
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20:26<capnhack>cozminsky, ok that helped a bit... its failing in the dnslookup router section because it finds the domain in ! +local_domains
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20:26<capnhack>is in "example.org in "! +local_domains"? yes"
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20:27<Cozminsky>capnhack: so in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf it's in dc_other_hostnames?
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20:29<capnhack>cozminsky, sorry it wasnt that, its the 192.168.0.0/16 directive again, it still finds that even tho i added it to the unconditional relay section of the dpkg-reconfigure
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20:29<capnhack>so DNS lookup of beta.vsadvisory.com (A) succeeded
20:29<capnhack>192.168.1.22 in "0.0.0.0 : 127.0.0.0/8 : 192.168.0.0/16 :172.16.0.0/12 : 10.0.0.0/8 : 169.254.0.0/16 :255.255.255.255"? yes (matched "192.168.0.0/16")
20:30<Cozminsky>capnhack: it should be ending in the --------> dnslookup_relay_to_domains router <-------- section because the myotherbox.example.org domain should be in relay_to_domains
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20:32<capnhack>coz, ok let me try to play with the exim4-config
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20:35<capnhack>cozminsky, it worked :) but i had to name the host in the domains to route... so target.domain.org instead of just domain.org ... does this mean i have to name every local box that i may send mail to?
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20:36<capnhack>instead of just giving domain.org? the second line of that exim -d output in the relay section says something like "target.domain.org in "domain.org"? no"
20:37<capnhack>maybe *.domain.org?
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20:39<Cozminsky>capnhack: that should work fine
20:39<julioh>cromenlo
20:39<julioh>now
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20:39<capnhack>cozminsky: yep it did :) thx a ton for your help, it was a labor of <3
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20:40<Capuchin>Someone want to help me troubleshoot here? I have a dual-disk drive enclosure and either disk works in either slot, but if I put in both disks, only one shows.
20:41<Capuchin>Watching syslog, only one device letter is assigned when the USB is attached.
20:42<Capuchin>Any clues?
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20:43<paul>hi can anyone tell me how to change theme in blackbox
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20:43<Guest13589>hi can anyone tell me how to change theme in blackbox
20:44<sney->Capuchin: hmm, sounds like the enclosure is only telling your system about one disk
20:44<sney->Capuchin: in other OSes, does it need any special drivers or software to see both drives?
20:45<Capuchin>I don't have any other OSs.
20:45<Capuchin>But according to the web, no software is needed.
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20:45<Guest13589>sney, can you tell me how to change the theme in blackbox ubunta
20:45<Capuchin>But yeah, sney, I'd agree that it's only presenting one disk... can't figure why.
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20:48<Guest13589>hi can anyone tell me how to change theme in blackbox
20:48<Cozminsky>Guest13589: I thought it was just in the right click menu
20:49<sney->!otherchannel Guest13589 #ubuntu irc.freenode.net
20:49<dpkg>Guest13589: The channel you are looking for is #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.freenode.net/#ubuntu
20:49<Guest13589>ok many thanks
20:49<sney->Capuchin: are there any dip switches on or inside the enclosure
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20:53<sney->Capuchin: also, have you ever seen this unit operating as advertised? you might have a defective
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20:55<capnhack>thx again coz, toodles
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21:06<kuhkatz>hi. my skype does not play sounds if i call someone. others can ehar me, i can listen to mp3 and youtube and whatnot. what might cause such behaviour?
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21:07<Capuchin>sney: The device has no dipswitches or jumpers of any kind. Just one big, blue, candy-like button.
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21:19<madadam1>Hi, someone can say me which pwd should I specify to log in proftp?
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21:23<PovAddict>kuhkatz: I have the opposite problem
21:24<PovAddict>kuhkatz: skype plays sound to me but doesn't hear me
21:24<kuhkatz>how surreal. any clue what is causing this?
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21:24<PovAddict>I was using an old version
21:24<PovAddict>the test call repeated my message back to me all garbled, like it was using the wrong sampling rate when capturing
21:24<PovAddict>I upgraded to the latest skype beta and now I get pure silence instead >:/
21:26<kuhkatz>i was fully updated, even reinstalled it just because, and because M$ n stuff, but no luck
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21:26<kuhkatz>whoa. why ever, now it works
21:27<kuhkatz>ok... now i just need a replacement for this stuff, and be happily ms-free again :)
21:28<PovAddict>there's many alternatives
21:28<PovAddict>just not interoperable with skype
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21:31<kuhkatz>i will take a look... and i dont feel like ms-compartible is needed for me nowadays... i stopped to do support for it for friends, so my pc can stop talking their shitty protocols too methinks
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21:34<zero_>does anyone know how to remount a tmpfs partition with more space than the current one?
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21:34<PovAddict>I don't think you can do that... you'd have to create a new one and copy the data
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21:35<koollman>zero_: mount -o remount,size=newsize /your/mountpoint
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21:35<zero_>koollman: Oh wow that worked! thanks!
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21:36<zero_>PovAddict: its ok haha, thank you guys
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22:24<VelvetElvis>hey all. I just upgraded to the Gnome3 packages in sid. My only problem is that I can't figure out how to turn off the anoying system sounds. Muting them or turning the volume down via the sound controls doesn't work. Anyone figured it out?
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22:25<bim_ir_>VelvetElvis: exactly what I got!
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22:27<ml|>VelvetElvis: better to ask in #debian-next
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22:28<VelvetElvis>thanks!
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22:30<cgdiaz>Hello, I was wondering if someone could help me out with WICD. I have been trying to get a wifi connection established with WPA2 PSK to no avail, I can connect to open networks just fine but haven't been able to try any other encryption schemes
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23:36<boogyshoes20>hello all
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