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---Logopened Sun Oct 16 00:00:43 2011
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02:00<Browncoyote>This is the only room?
02:01<Browncoyote>there are like no irc commands that work in here
02:01<Browncoyote>for example
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02:04<bartm>no patience
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02:54<xio3>i accidently powered off my system wrong. when it came back up it said i didn't have enough disk space (not true). so then i did a touch /forcefsck to make fsck run on reboot. that ran and after it rebooted i can't login. i get the login screen but when i enter a password and user name all i get is a flicker and i'm right back where i started. i tried creating a new user account and logging in with that from the terminal (i can login from
02:54<xio3>the terminal) and that didn't work either. suggestions?
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02:55<xio3>i just checked / and it says it has 0 available space. which is wrong. how can i fix this if touch /fsckforce didn't work?
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03:22<devil>NeOo: this in an EN chaqnnel, DE is at
03:22<devil>channel even
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03:25<white>can you help me?
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03:45<riley_>yo- if i update /etc/hosts, do i need to do anything to make the changes 'apply'?
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03:50<Cire3>Any good reading on a rsync server setup? have a project to setup one off site
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03:52<Bushmills>riley, yes: you want to save the file to disk
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04:35<riley_>hey- how do i enable remote access to a mysql server on debian
04:35<riley_>when i do mysql localhost on the box, it works
04:35<riley_>but when i do $mysql -hbox
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04:36<riley_>it throws me this error:(HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'research-team17' (113)
04:37<Bushmills>riley, you want to bind sql server to other interfaces than the loopback, you want to permit access, and you want to accept packets to sql server with your firewall
04:37<Cire3>Sorry, stepped away. Yes I need my clients to have a automated script to push data off site to the rsync server.
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04:38<Bushmills>Cire3: you can rsync over ssh
04:39<Cire3>Thats how I'm doing it now with Serv-u on winodws.
04:40<Bushmills>then there's just the script to automatically sync.
04:40<Cire3>Was looking for info to setup on a linux box, are there any good walk throughs ?
04:40<Bushmills>no need for a server setup howto
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04:41<riley_>Bushmills - how do i do that? are there any good guides?
04:41<Cire3>doesnt running it through ssh and not a vpn hurt it's ability to see file changes ?
04:42<Cire3>I have it running on SFTP on the windows box with less than perfect results
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04:43<Bushmills>no, rsync doesn't care. using it through ssh is rather transparent
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04:44<Cire3>any sources for backup scripts ? backup versioning, ect...
04:45<Cire3>I'm not at all a coder :)
04:45<stomanata>hi, is it normal when i unplug and then plug lan cable to loose setting of eth0?
04:45<Cire3>I just want it setup right the first time
04:45<Bushmills>duplicity? using rsync libs, optionally over ftp, or over ssh. can encrypt, incrementally backup etc
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04:46<Bushmills>backup scripts are a neverending story
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04:47<Cire3>issues with them ? Or all you can do with them ?
04:47<Bushmills>you either code lots of flexibility into them, trying to make them suited for all thinkable circumstances, then they become too complex. or you keep them very simple, needing to modify them when requirements change.
04:48<Cire3>Dont need anything too crazy "not as of yet :) "
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04:49<Cire3>thanks, I'll look more into it. I'll load rsync and see where i get
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04:49<Cire3> <--- too dependent on Windows, need to break the bad habit
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04:53<Bushmills>duplicity is a package, btw. not a reference to the concept
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04:53<Cire3>Oh.... LOL, thanks. "no I didnt get that"
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04:54<Cire3>So it is a version of rsync ?
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04:55<Cire3>using the rsync algorithm
04:56<riley_>when i run $nmap mymachine
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04:56<riley_>it says Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -PN
04:56<riley_>Nmap done: 1 IP address (0 hosts up) scanned in 0.04 seconds
04:56<riley_>but i can ssh into it
04:57<riley_>how do i make it able to be nmap'ed?
04:57<petemc>does nmap -sS work?
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04:58<riley_>yep it work
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04:59<rene>Hello has someyone experience with the java sdk installation?
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04:59<rene>I have some troubles with the class path
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05:03<rene>do I nieed to reboot when I have changed the environment variables?
05:04<bartm>rene, the answer to that is most likely "no"
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05:05<rene>thanks bart
05:05<rene>do you also know what .: means?
05:06<rene>for example in JAVA_HOME="/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.7.0-openjdk-amd64"
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05:07<bartm>rene, it means to include the current directory (.)
05:07<bartm>rene, the colon (:) is a separator
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05:08<rene>aha I understand
05:08<rene>how can I see or it is right?
05:08<rene>is there a command to show the classpath?
05:08<bartm>rene, echo $CLASSPATH
05:09<rene>a empty row is the result
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05:40<anders_>äter ni korv ?
05:40<bartm>anders_, english please
05:40<dpkg>Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i på FreeNode (, SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974.
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05:40<dpkg>Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i på FreeNode (, SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974.
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05:55<eMMe>Anyone getting a BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA?
05:55<bartm>eMMe, how did you get that ?
05:56<eMMe>from stable
05:56<eMMe>aptitude update
05:57<themill>eMMe: (a) please don't use as your mirror, please use a different mirror; (b) don't use "stable" in your sources.list, use "squeeze". (c) that sounds a lot like a transparent proxy or a web login form that is getting in the way.
05:57<konverguoju>hi all, what is the name for terminal based browser?
05:57<eMMe>bartm, I get it when I update the packet list
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05:57<bartm>konverguoju, lynx
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05:58<konverguoju>thanks :]
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06:00<Bushmills>eMMe: do you?
06:00<bartm>eMMe, try a mirror close to you, see
06:00<eMMe>themill, thank you! problem solved s/stable/squeeze BTW, not sure have understood the issue
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06:43<hoboJean>Hello, I'm looking for a webcam which works out of the box with debian - even in dark rooms with microphone - any hints ?
06:43<hiroshima>hi @ all: just a quickie question: Which URI do I have to add to debian.list in order to perform the command "apt-get build-dep fglrx-driver" successfully?
06:44<babilen>hoboJean: Most webcams work without problems on Debian, so this is rather a hardware problem. Haven't we mentioned that before?
06:44<Bushmills>hoboJean: linux isn't sensitive to light. a device which works with light usually works in darkness too
06:44<Black_Prince>hiroshima, deb-src one ... (note: testing and sid have problems with fglrx)
06:44<jackyf>hiroshima: probably copy the same line(s) as you have now, but change 'deb' prefix to 'deb-src'.
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06:46<Bushmills>apart from the driver and debian related aspects - some webcams tend to lose sync, or show compression flaws when ambient light drops below a certain level. i experienced that with a logitech webcam
06:48<babilen>"low light webcam" comes up with a few hits. I still recommend to buy one of these marvellous new devices that emit light when turned on (aka lamp) though. I don't quite see how we can help here though.
06:48<hiroshima>Black_Prince: thaks for the hint... I'll use unstable instead.
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06:49<hiroshima>jackyf: thank you! the change from deb to src-deb was the solution.
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06:50<Black_Prince>unstable has same problems. xserver is version 1.11.1 and current fglrx supports only up to 1.10.999 or so
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06:52<hiroshima>Black_Prince: ok. then it is better to keeps the hand off fglrx?
06:53<Black_Prince>for now, yes ...
06:53<Black_Prince>judd, versions fglrx-driver
06:53<judd>Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:11-9-1
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06:54<Black_Prince>radeon works just fine ... some cards require non-free firmware tough for direct rendering
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06:54<hoboJean>babilen & Bushmills sorry for late reply - I just wanted someone who uses a good cam to tell me the modell
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06:55<hoboJean>I already tried two cams - both of minor value (dark picture) and I had to configure this and install that
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06:56<bartm>hoboJean, maybe you need an infrared camera :)
06:57<hoboJean>bartm maybe - If you're using one, please tell me the name & model
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07:01<hiroshima>Black_Prince: Thanks for the notes. However, frist I used the preinstalled driver for my ATI, but with this driver I was not able to get sound from the HDMI output. Then I installed the ATI propretary driver and now I get it, however, now is the graphic performance worse. What would you recommend, that I get sound from the HDMI port and have still a great graphic performance?
07:01<Black_Prince>I'd probably recommend to wait for ati to release newer version.
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07:04<hiroshima>Black_Prince: Is it true, that nvidia graphic cards are better supportet in linux than ATI cards?
07:04<Black_Prince>I don't use either of them, but also I've heard that nvidia is better supported than ati ..
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07:05<hiroshima>Black_Prince: ok. Thanks a lot!
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07:12<riley_>i cant get my ssh keys to work
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07:12<riley_>i check the permissions
07:12<riley_>no joy
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07:14<themill>riley_: first, /msg dpkg ssh permissions; if _all_ of them are ok, /msg dpkg debug ssh
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07:16<Kyon0>Hi :)
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07:22<riley_>themill: okay- i ran the ssh debug-
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07:23<riley_>where can i paste the relevant lines?
07:23<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <>.
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07:25<riley_>themill: any ideas?
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07:27<riley_>debug1: ssh_gssapi_storecreds: Not a GSSAPI mechanism
07:28<themill>riley_: are you trying to log into an interactive session as the "mysql" user?
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07:29<riley_>haha- yah, don't ask
07:29<riley_>it's to be able to scp files
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07:32<riley_>any ideas themill?
07:32<themill>riley_: yes, but if $SHELL is /bin/false then an interactive session isn't going to work
07:32<riley_>i can do a #su mysql
07:32<riley_>and get an interactive sesh
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07:44<riley_>any ideas themill?
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07:55<Flurry>hello all, I need some help on setting quota for my users... after setting up the aquota.users and and enabling quota on the partition and updating the quota table (everything is working fine)... how do I tell to the system to create all new users with the same quota? (I mean, how to put a default quota for all newly created users?)
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08:05<Flurry>thx ompaul, reading
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08:07<Flurry>ompaul there is a request similar to mine in the comments... but no answer is there
08:08<ompaul>Flurry: I only searched for it - saw where it came from and ooch
08:08<Flurry>oh ok ompaul, that is exactly the guide I followed for installing
08:08<Flurry>but I didn't read the comments before
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08:10<ompaul>Flurry: here is a thing, when I set up new users I use a script that does all sorts of things including grabbing /etc/skel maybe you should do the same, and add in a line which adds that user to aquota.user
08:12<ompaul>Flurry: I add in certain files and the like via that script - it also reminds which ever admin is doing the job to alter the criteria based on dept etc
08:12<ompaul>I could do it smarter but it works at our scale
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08:12<Flurry>ompaul but in my case they are virtual users in an ldap server... will try to do it in the script that generates the virtual user
08:13<ompaul>Flurry: that is my set up, give it back, the servers they actually log onto have different configs for different users
08:14<Flurry>where is the actual quota limit set (I mean in which file? only aquota.user?)
08:15<ompaul>that is where it is read from
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08:16<ompaul>edquota -u mp3user
08:16<ompaul>that is another one
08:16<ompaul>Flurry: sorry that is where you edit the quota but that file indicates that evil values need to be applied
08:16*ompaul hads Flurry expect and a manual
08:17<Flurry>in my case the users are created by a script in a CMS (Drupal) that generates them after registration
08:18<Flurry>they are only in an ldap server... not in the /etc/passwd file
08:19<Flurry>will I be able to set the quota from the same script? I mean, probably the script is running as www-data... not as root... will give it a try
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08:20<ompaul>Flurry: wouldn't that be more a #drupal questoin
08:20<ompaul>it could be a question also
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09:44<tal>Hi all. Do I need to install kernel source(linux-source-*) for OSS4?
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10:12<nirgal1>Anyone using in their watch files? I think it is broken because of change in github interface. Do you just wait for githubredir to be fix? Any other alternative?
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12:33<emorris>hi, I'm using Debian squeeze with gnome 2. I've noticed in another distro that when I plug an encrypted usb disk in and try and mount it, a dialog pops up asking for a password. Is there anyway to get gnome/debian to do this?
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12:34<jhutchins_lt>emorris: Is the other distribution runnng gnome? What version?
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12:35<emorris>jhutchins_lt, it's using gnome 2.32.1
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12:35<xChatGnome>how you encrypted the usb key?
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12:36<jhutchins_lt>emorris: I would expect it to work the same way - I gather it doesn't?
12:37<emorris>jhutchins_lt, doesn't seem to. I don't know if it's because I'm using a live cd, but if I double click the icon, nothing seems to happen
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12:39<yron>I make a directory in my /home with another user. I try to delete in with root but rmdir returns rmdir: failed to remove `binutils-build/': Directory not empty. So I use rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty "nameofthedir" and he's here again...
12:39<yron>What shall I do ? please
12:39<xChatGnome>emorris: how do you encrypted the usb disk?
12:40<Black_Prince>yron, use rm -rf ...
12:40<yron>Ok thx I try it now...
12:40<emorris>xChatGnome, gnome disk utility
12:40<yron>YES !
12:40<yron>Thank you, rm -rf runs x)
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12:45<emorris>xChatGnome, aka palimpsest. I think it uses LUKS/dm-crypt
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12:46<sigp226>I need help with debian using openbox. When I 'startx' it loads X and openbox, but when I right click it crashes
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13:04<brainlesseinstein>installing 6.0.3 "squeeze" and having issues with disk drive type detection... partitioning package reports an IDE drive as a scsi drive
13:04<brainlesseinstein>suggestions welcome
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13:04<themill>what makes you say that?
13:05<brainlesseinstein>the drive is an IDE drive,
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13:07<sigp226>How do I create a user from the terminal?
13:07<brainlesseinstein>I have scsi devices but they are not in the same box
13:08<dpkg>libata is a Linux library supporting ATA controllers and devices. Devices handled by libata appear as SCSI devices with associated device names: 'sd' (hard drive, instead of 'hd'), 'sr' (optical), 'st' (tape). The old legacy IDE (PATA) drivers are replaced with libata in Debian kernel images as of linux-2.6 2.6.32-10. . See also <uuid>.
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13:11<brainlesseinstein>thank you dpkg you may have saved me several hours of reading
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14:04<error0327>hii all
14:04<error0327>i am using KDE on DEBIAN testing
14:04<error0327>my plasma-desktop keep disappear
14:04<error0327>what i can do ? :)
14:05<error0327>maybe he crash i dont know !
14:05<bartm>error0327, black screen?
14:06<error0327>just back to normal
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14:06<error0327>no plasma
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14:07<error0327>i try alt+f2 and write plasma-desktop
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14:08<error0327>but nop
14:08<error0327>not working !
14:09<error0327>so i need to logout and login again then ...
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14:09<error0327>main programs that i am using : chrome , jdownloader , vlc
14:09<bartm>error0327, maybe you'll get better help in #debian-kde or #debian-next
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14:09<error0327>any of those my crash it
14:10<error0327>bartm: ok thanks :(
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14:12<vittorio>ciao ragazzi qualcuno mi puo aitutare ? Ho notato che nella versione debian non ho il filexorg.conf nella directory /etc/X11 e visto che stavo installndo i driver nvidia con assistant-manager e ho fatto tutto mi mancherebbe di editare il file per per scrivere nvidia al posto delle xxxxx . ma non trovo questo file come posso fare a crearlo se al momento che lancio il comando xorg -configure giustamente mi dice che devo terminare prima la sessione grafica?
14:13<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
14:13<bartm>vittorio, here english please
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14:16<error0327>no one helping in debian-kde ! :(
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14:18<TimbrWolf>Any one know how to increase font size on the console (F1 -F6), without changing the font size on the Xserver?
14:18<TimbrWolf>Already read console-setup
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14:22<error0327>TimbrWolf:Open /boot/grub/menu.lst file with root privileges. Press Alt+F2 and type this
14:22<error0327>gksu gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
14:22<error0327>Add vga=773 at the end of kernel line. Save file and reboot machine.
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14:24<babilen>!console fonts
14:24<dpkg>If your console fonts settings have been changed, you can reset them using the consolechars command (console-tools package). The default font is default 8x*. dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
14:25<babilen>error0327's approach won't work for grub2
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14:26<wompa>Isn't alt+f2 specific for a desktop env and/or window manager?
14:26<Myon>it is
14:27<steinex>Oh wow, just installed plymoth on squeeze and would not have tought that this thing is just so smooth
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14:31<alazare619>how would i go about intergrating the firmware files debian-installer i asking for one is iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode and iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode any idea
14:31<babilen>alazare619: During or after the installation?
14:32<alazare619>during install
14:32<alazare619>in text mode
14:33<babilen>alazare619: You basically have two options. You can provide the firmware on a removable medium. How to do this is explained in the installation guide (/msg dpkg installer firmware). The second way would be to use the semi-official netinstall firmware images which contain the firmware already. (/msg dpkg firmware image)
14:34<alazare619>well im using live-build no one in thar channel can figure it out tho either
14:35<babilen>Why do you use them instead of the "normal" installer images?
14:35<alazare619>personal reasons
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14:40<babilen>alazare619: Well, you might have your reasons, but I can assure you that both ways I mentioned work and will have the desired result.
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15:00<Fwiss>I have an X problem which should be simple. Can anybody help?
15:00<Black_Prince>dpkg, anybody
15:00<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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15:00<Fwiss>OK. I was using Eterm
15:01<Fwiss>invoked the su
15:01<Fwiss>and quit xterm
15:01<Fwiss>(using fluxbox) My menu was just xterm and like games or something
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15:02<Fwiss>so I used another tty and su'd again and poweroff's
15:02<Fwiss>When I logged back in (as user) and typed startx, It paused for a couple of minutes.
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15:03<vfaronov>Hi all. There's a package called reprepo. According to it exists in squeeze and other releases.
15:03<vfaronov>However my `aptitude` and `apt-get` don't see it; and the search on p.d.o doesn't find it. Am I missing something obvious?
15:03<Fwiss>Then... 'xinit:temporarily anavailable(errno 11) unable to connect to x server
15:03<sney->judd: versions reprepo
15:03<judd>No package named 'reprepo' was found in i386.
15:04<sney->judd: versions reprepro
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15:04<judd>Package: reprepro on i386 -- lenny: 3.5.2-6; lenny-backports: 4.2.0-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.2.0-2squeeze1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 4.5.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze-backports: 4.7.0-1~bpo60+1; sid: 4.8.1-1; wheezy: 4.8.1-1
15:04<babilen>!tell vfaronov -about bat
15:04<sney->vfaronov: is this a new install? do you have sources.list properly set up to get packages over the network? also, check your spelling.
15:04<Fwiss>So I'm thinking it's a permissions problem
15:04<vfaronov>judd: thanks :)
15:05<vfaronov>it was a permissions problem on /dev/eyes
15:05<babilen>(judd is a bot)
15:05<Fwiss>Oh yeah there was also an xinit server error
15:05<babilen>vfaronov: heh :)
15:05<Black_Prince>Fwiss, I think I had similar problem. Do ls -l /tmp and post it here.
15:05<vfaronov>thanks sney- :)
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15:05<Fwiss>and (timeout in locking authority file /home/fwiss/.Xauthority)
15:05<Fwiss>When I log in as root, startx works.
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15:06<Fwiss>And thet's the end of my question. What do?
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15:06<Black_Prince>Fwiss, read my post again. ...
15:06<Fwiss>as root, Black_Prince?
15:06<Black_Prince>Fwiss, does not matter ...
15:07<Fwiss>Using another comp soo
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15:07<Fwiss>total 4
15:07<Black_Prince>Fwiss, Or better, ls -l / | grep tmp
15:07<Black_Prince>It should look like drwxrwxrwt 16 root root 4096 Oct 16 20:52 tmp ...
15:08<Black_Prince>drwxrwxrwt part is that matters, it represents partitions.
15:08<Fwiss>drwxrwxrwt 4 root root
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15:08<Fwiss>so what does this mean?
15:08<Black_Prince>So there goes that problem ...
15:09<Black_Prince>/tmp has right permissions
15:09<Fwiss>before all those messages there was a bunch of ..
15:09<Fwiss>No protocol speified
15:10<Black_Prince>Fwiss, can you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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15:11<Black_Prince>And, use pastebin ... Don't paste into channel
15:11<babilen>(i.e. )
15:11<Fwiss>thisll take a while
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15:13<LeoNerd>Hi all... I'm wondering what happened to the package called "pwsafe"; I used to have it installed, but lately it appears not to be available any more. Any ideas how I might find out why?
15:13<Black_Prince>judd, versions pwsafe
15:13<judd>Package: pwsafe on i386 -- lenny: 0.2.0-3; squeeze: 0.2.0-3
15:14<LeoNerd>(I'm running testing)
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15:14<LeoNerd>Hrmmmm :/
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15:15<Fwiss>great. How do I highlight all and copy in nano?
15:15<Black_Prince>Fwiss, use pastebinit ...
15:15<LeoNerd>It says "better alternatives exist"... doesn't list any. :/
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15:16<Black_Prince>Fwiss, eg cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit
15:16<Fwiss>command not found?
15:17<Black_Prince>Well, install it with apt
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15:18<Fwiss>my slow apt is weird too. It ran faster in a VM fow some raisin.
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15:20<weedeater64>Fwiss: if you install pastebinit, you can do, ~$ cat some.file | pastebinit
15:20<weedeater64>and it will give you the url to post here.
15:21<Fwiss>Well I pasted it
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15:21<Black_Prince>Fwiss, weedeater64 looks lagged :P ... Well there is nothing wrong in file you posted ...
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15:22<Black_Prince>Fwiss, try running xorg as normal user again, then pastebin it again.
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15:23<Black_Prince>Again looks fine ... What do you say is the problem again?
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15:23<daemonkeeper>weedeater64: pastebinit -i
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15:24<Fwiss>no wait
15:24<Fwiss>I didn't run startx
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15:25<Fwiss>now w8 a couple minutes if you have the time, Black_Prince
15:26<Black_Prince>I'll w8 ... whatever that one means
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15:28<Fwiss>Oh my God I used textspeak.
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15:31<Black_Prince>Again, X is fine ...
15:32<Black_Prince>Problem may refer to $HOME/something permissions or window/session manager or terminal emulator ...
15:32<Fwiss>OK. So the home directory affects using x through its respective account
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15:34<Fwiss>I see now. I did it!
15:35<Fwiss>I didn't think the other thing I did was correlated
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15:35<Black_Prince>Everything matters ...
15:35<daemonkeeper>Nothing else matters
15:35<Fwiss>I mounted another partition containing fly videos, pics etc to /home/fwiss
15:36<Fwiss>and that messed it up
15:36<Fwiss>A question about mounting
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15:36<Fwiss>I have a partition containig my files that I want to access on boot. Where should I mount it in fstab?
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15:37<Black_Prince>Well, probably under /media or /mnt ...
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15:37<Fwiss>could I do /home/<user>/files?
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15:37<Fwiss>or can it not be in /home/user?
15:37<Black_Prince>Yes, but if you have seperate home partition, make sure it is mounted after it
15:38<Black_Prince>Well, you mounted it as home user now ... And you saw what it did ...
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15:38<Fwiss>When it was mounted I couldn't startx. I had to Umount it to startx. I thought X was stored somewhere else/
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15:43<Fwiss>Thank you!
15:43<Fwiss>I learned quite a bit either way! Thanks for making my first IRC a good one!
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16:40<StepNjump>hi guys
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16:40<StepNjump>I'm really fed up with ubuntu and their unity crap.. What would be my next distro to try next please?
16:41<StepNjump>cthuluh, yes but will the apps that work on ubuntu will all work on kubuntu cthuluh?
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16:42<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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16:43<jhutchins_lt>StepNjump: If you have questions about Debian, including how to install it, feel free to ask.
16:43<StepNjump>jhutchins_lt, yes I'm starting to think to make the move
16:43<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>.
16:43<StepNjump>I'm just wondering if it will support as many packages from the repositories compared to the *buntu distro
16:44<jhutchins_lt>StepNjump: Debian has about 30,000 packages available.
16:44<StepNjump>I hate that unity crap. I can't even find the terminal
16:44<cthuluh>what's the use of having 40000 packages instead of 30000?
16:44<jhutchins_lt>StepNjump: Bleeding edge stuff isn't in stable.
16:44<StepNjump>Thanks jhutchins_lt
16:44<StepNjump>What is bleeding edge?
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16:48<jhutchins_lt>StepNjump: Bleeding edge is the derogatory term for very new things (software) that often ends up causing the user pain as the expense of using the very latest stuff.
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16:48<StepNjump>oh ok
16:48<jhutchins_lt>StepNjump: Debian tries to soften the pain by not letting things into stable unless they are well tested and patched.
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16:49<jhutchins_lt>StepNjump: So stable is very solid and reliable, sometimes at the expense of a few shiny new features, sometimes requiring some extra work for new hardware.
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16:50<mbb>Am preparing to move several machines to Squeeze, via clean install - looking for list of packages on CDs 2, 3, etc to save my bandwidth
16:50<jhutchins_lt>StepNjump: Unlike other distros, testing is not "newer at the expense of less stable" but really a place to test new packages and combinations. We know it WILL break.
16:50<Myon>mbb: download only the first cd and get the rest of the packages with apt
16:50<jhutchins_lt>!cd contents
16:50<dpkg>To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at (e.g.
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16:51<StepNjump>jhutchins_lt does debian have wine?
16:51<jhutchins_lt>StepNjump: Yes, but while wine releases weekly, the version in stable is a bit old.
16:51<jhutchins_lt>, versions wine
16:51<judd>Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.3; experimental: 1.1.24-2
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16:52<disto2011>what is the latest distribution of debian?
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16:53<disto2011>bin laden is alive wtf? anyone explain me that?
16:53<StepNjump>So what is it? Is *ntu copying debian or what?
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16:56<ml|>StepNjump: read what dpkg said above
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17:15<tal>Does OSS4 requires linux-source package? Or only headers are needed?
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17:28<crd__>just the headers
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17:35<EmleyMoor>I have a couple of shell scripts which are called as AGI scripts from Asterisk - or to be more precise, one calls the other with a value, which the second script processes and makes an announcement. Hovewer, on my squeeze/amd64 Asterisk box, the parameter which is passed is not available - there is a line from the first script's conf file present instead. Dividing the provider name by 1000 gives 0, it not being a number, hence no announcements. I
17:35<EmleyMoor>(if that is truncated, please let me know)
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17:37<crd__>It is.
17:37<EmleyMoor>crd__: OK - whereabouts?
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17:38<Castilho>Hello everybody, I'm trying to find the most update "DEBIAN REFERENCE" in pdf version!....Does anyone know from where can I download it?
17:38<crd__> Dividing the provider name by 1000 gives 0, it not being a number, hence no
17:38<crd__> announcements. I
17:38<Castilho>I want to print it..that's why
17:39<EmleyMoor>... I cannot see where the script is getting the parameter from, nor what it has done with the real one. Can anyone advise me why I am seeing this odd behaviour?
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17:50<johanmlg>hi! i need some help with installing debian on my laptop. during install it says that it needs some non-free firmware files and it says that the name of the file it needs is cis/SW_8xx_SER.cis. Ive googled a bit and found that that file is contained in the package firmware-linux-free and that you can find that package here: Ive downloaded that file, extracted
17:50<johanmlg> it and then extracted the package inside it and put on a ext3 volume on the same usb stick im trying to install from. but when i insert it back into my laptop and press yes to load the missing firmware file nothing happens and the message box just pops back up. what am i doing wrong?
17:51<crd__>Yeah, just put the package on the root of the USB drive.
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17:53<johanmlg>thanks, ill try that
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17:54<johanmlg>nope, that didnt work either :/
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17:56<cthuluh>you have to put a .deb or a .udeb at the root of the usb key
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17:57<Fwiss>for debs, remember to use dpkg -i !
17:57<crd__>and you probably have to rerun an earlier step in the installation. "Detect disks" or something like that, which comes before the partitioning. (iirc)
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18:00<deli>help needed
18:01<crd__>that's some really helpful information you've given us there deli, anything else?
18:02<babilen>johanmlg: Two options: Either follow the instructions in the install guide (/msg dpkg installer firmware) or use the semi-official netinstall image with firmare (/msg dpkg firmware image)
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18:02<Bushmills>deli: google
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18:03<deli>was waiting for a response first
18:03<crd__>this is IRC. you don't need to wait for a response.
18:03<themill>deli: there are 500 people here... just ask.
18:03<deli>ok im new to this
18:04<deli>dont know if it is the right romm but i cant see any of the top bars of any application
18:04<streuner_>dpkg, ask
18:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:05<babilen>deli: You are using Ubuntu, right?
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18:05<XayOn>There's your problem, uninstall, get a debian, and come here again to ask.
18:06<johanmlg>okay, thanks everyone, ill try the install image with the firmware included
18:06<babilen>deli: In that case you are slightly wrong here. This is the Debian ( channel and we do not support Ubuntu here. You want #ubuntu on
18:06<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
18:06<babilen>deli: Good luck there ^^^^^
18:06<deli>ok sorry, i was automatically placed here, bye
18:07<babilen>deli: cya
18:07<johanmlg>Am I allowed to ask what you guys think about ubuntu? :P
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18:07<themill>johanmlg: it doesn't help anyone, so please don't...
18:07<streuner_>johanmlg: we are here in #debian...
18:07<babilen>johanmlg: In #debian-offtopic maybe, but *I* am not really in the mood to discuss this right now. ;)
18:07<crd__>if you really have to, #debian-offtopic
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18:08<crd__>actually, I think that was a fairly concise answer in and off itself...
18:08<johanmlg>themill, slightly my thought as well. :D so i wont ask and just keep on trying to make my laptop run debian instead.
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18:37<johanmlg>okay, i tried that image with the firmware included and it didnt help, it still complains it wants that file..
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18:40<squires>does anyone know how I would calculate the stripe width (ext filesystem parameter) for an array of 5 disks in raid 10? I'm not sure what would be considered the number of data disks in this configuration.
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18:44<mdik>im playing with the idea of abandoning kmail and switching to a MTA setup for my several pop3 and imap accounts.
18:45<mdik>im not sure if this is so very clever, but i would give it a try. does anyone know about good tutorials for this kind of setup?
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18:46<mdik>it seems to be quite common in debian-circles, but i have no idea where to start despite learning everything about mtas (which i obviously dont need)
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18:48<jw>hello, how do I find windowid of a window for xev use?
18:48<themill>mdik: it's fetchmail that you want to look at, perhaps in conjunction with procmail. An MTA isn't necessarily involved in this at all.
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18:49<mdik>themill: ok. but i would need to be able to send email, also.
18:50<themill>that's up to how you configure your MUA. You still need one of those.
18:50<basic85>hello at all
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18:50<mdik>themill: if i understand correctly: if i would send the emails directly from my pc they would most definately be spamblocked because i use a dynamic IP
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18:51<squires>mdik: you might also want to take a look at offlineimap for synchronizing your servers and clients
18:51<mdik>mhmmhmmhm (:
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18:52<themill>mdik: if you had a local MTA you should pass your mail off to some other MTA over an authenticated link -- your ISP or gmail or whatever can provide that MTA. That would be the same as configuring your MUA to do so (but configuring your MUA to do is significantly easier)
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18:54<mdik>i had the insane idea of licking all the muas because all they can do is break you
18:54<mdik>but okay. ill look into all those things... thanks again
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18:56<mdik>it would be _so_ nice if alpine etc would have setup-dialogs similar to thunderbird or kmail...
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18:57<XayOn>mdik: I've tough the same, I was doing some for gmail multiaccounts on mutt with imap, but there are too many stuffs to configure, so it ended up being a set of templates.
18:57<jw>i solved all my email related problems with free agent running under wine
18:57<XayOn>not too many stuffs TO configure, but too many configurable stuffs xD
18:58<mdik>XayOn: templates for mutt?
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18:58<XayOn>mdik: template conffiles.
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18:59<mdik>for mutt?
18:59<XayOn>Um, yes, why?
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19:04<jw>isnt squeese configured with exim for single user "out of the box"?
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19:08<mdik>XayOn: although i sounds nice to have templates already, alpine seems to be more usable
19:10<themill>mdik: you're always going to have some MUA or other in there. You can't get rid of them all unless you stop doing email entirely.
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19:12<mdik>irc, jabber and diaspora seem so nice (; but i understood it, themill, i am already using alpine for reading my imap and will for all the other things aswell
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19:27<marioxcc>I want to install libsdl-ttf2.0-dev but I get an error message telling me:
19:27<marioxcc> Depends: libsdl1.2-dev but it is not going to be installed
19:28<marioxcc>how can I solve this?
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19:28<themill>marioxcc: please post the command you gave and the entire output at Also add the output of "apt-cache policy"
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19:29<marioxcc>well, this was synaptic, I will try with apt-get
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19:31<themill>or better, try with aptitude
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19:31<marioxcc>I just tried with apt-get:
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19:33<marioxcc>aptitude seems to have worked
19:33<themill>that's often the case
19:34<marioxcc>what's apt-get for, if there is aptitude?
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19:36<gdb>Would one consider it a security bug in the zip package if, when zipping a file with permissions 600 the resulting zip file is mode 644?
19:37<gdb>I'm just wondering if it's worth sending in a bug report about or if this is intended with zip.
19:37<marioxcc>does zipfiles even store unix permissions?
19:37<Pryon>That's probably a result of umask, not a bug in gzip
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19:38<FragByte>gdb: sounds like it has nothing todo with zip, the newly created zip file inherits its permissions by set umask
19:38<Pryon>you're creating a new file
19:38<Pryon>and I'm typing slowly
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19:39<gdb>zip does preserve permissions and gzip does preserve permissions on the resulting compressed file
19:39<gdb>FragByte: I get what you're saying, but other compression utilities (gzip, bzip2) don't behave that way. They set the mode of the compressed file to the same as the file it contains.
19:39<ml|>marioxcc: /msg dpkg apt-get
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19:40<gdb>I see that tar doesn't. I'm guessing this is because zip and tar work on archives of files, while gzip and bzip2 work on single files. Thanks for the insight.
19:41<roddie>Hang on, why can aptitude install that package when apt-get can't?
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19:42<gdb>Pryon: Anyway, I'll type this slowly: When you gzip a file, you're also creating a new file. The original isn't unlinked until the compression completes successfully.
19:42<themill>roddie: because aptitude will do other things to try to get to the end-point you requested (e.g. removing other packages or upgrading packages)
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19:43<Pryon>for the record, when I said I was typing slowly, it's because I had repeated what FragByte said.
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19:43<ml|>roddie: for more info /msg dpkg why aptitude
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19:47<gdb>Pryon: Ah, my apologies then. I thought read that as "I'm typing this slowly because you are retarded." ;-)
19:47<gdb>Pryon: I apologize for my curt reply.
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19:48<gdb>Pryon: Text based communication for the fail and all. ;-)
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19:49<Pryon>I figured :)
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19:51<Pryon>gdb: for the sake of science, which version of zip are you using and how are you running it? I can't duplicate the behavior you're seeing
19:53<Pryon>I'm using 3.0 and doing: zip otherfilname
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19:56<FragByte>Pryon, gdb: got me interested and all tools i checked set permissions according to umask, not the permissions of the original file
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19:58<gdb>FragByte: Interesting. I touched a file 'test' then set it to 600. I gzipped it and the test.gz file is also 600. My umask is 022 and normally sets a new file to 644.
19:59<gdb>FragByte: bzip2 and gzip leave me with a mode 600 file, zip and tar (that work with multiple files) leave me with a 644 archive file.
19:59<FragByte>gdb i did exactly that with swapped permissions (file was 644) and i always got a 600 archive ... was on wheezy though
20:00<gdb>I think this is saying that since gzip and bzip2 work on individual files, they have "something to go by" when setting permissions (the input file). While zip and tar (which work on multiple files) have nothing to go by outside of your session umask. Which does, in retrospect, make perfect sense.
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20:02<gdb> -- I can't explain it then! :-D
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20:04<gdb>I think a nifty feature request for tar and zip would be to set the permissions on the resulting output file to match the permissions on the most restrictive input file.
20:04<gdb>ie; have a directory of more 777 files if you like, if there's a single 600 file in there, the tar that comes out is mode 600.
20:04<FragByte>gdb: wait, i always created a NEW file
20:04<FragByte>got you wrong
20:04<Zomb>copying original permissions is perfectly fine
20:05<gdb>Zomb: What we're discussing is that tar and zip don't do that.
20:05<FragByte>you compressed 'in place'
20:05<gdb>FragByte: Yes
20:05<Zomb>gdb: tar attempts to restore the permissions, too
20:05<Zomb>or what do you mean? giving new files the permissions of the tarball?
20:05<FragByte>that changes everything, compressing in place does not change the permissions of course
20:06<gdb>Zomb: tar and zip obey session umask which means if you have 600 super_sekrit_file and zip it, you end up with 644 -- which someone can come along and gank and unzip and get your super_sekrit_file content
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20:06<FragByte>creating a new file otoh follows the umask of course
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20:07<gdb>FragByte: Yes, which I'm betting zip and tar do -- they're not doing it "in place" they're dumping files from 'somewhere else' into an archive. While gzip et al, are compressing "this file here" and maintaining permissions.
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20:08<Zomb>gzip does not compress in-place
20:08<Guest13750>Excuse me, pls, Does anyone know what mean "rc" in .bashrc?
20:08<gdb>Zomb: So my thought would be to cause archivers (as oppposed to compressors) to give the output archive file the same permissions as the most restrictive file permission inside the archive. This would cause the entire archive to have hte most restrictive permissions carried from the input files.
20:08<gdb>Zomb: yes, we know
20:08<Guest13750>I'm studying how to personalize my bash
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20:09<Zomb>gdb: you can use tar -p if you want exact permissions
20:09<gdb>If I'm not mistaken, that preserves permissions for files going into the tar and does not affect permissions on the file.tar itself.
20:10<Zomb>I think you are mistaken
20:10<Zomb>option to throw information away does not make much sense
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20:11<Zomb>and the permission of "tar itself" is whatever your session mask tells
20:11<gdb>Throw information away?
20:11<gdb>you're exposing information
20:12<Zomb>yes, and? You create a NEW archive.
20:12<gdb>the original file is protected to the user only, the archive is world readable -- this is a problem. If tar were to examine the files going into the archive, and preserve the *most restrictive* permission, it can then set the mode of the tar file to that. This protects the data going into the archive.
20:12<Zomb>if you set your default umask to less strict mode then you deliberately want to set this permissions to all new files
20:12<gdb>I'm really not clear on how this is a difficult concept to understand.
20:13<gdb>When you gzip a file, you're also creating a new file, and the resulting .gz file has the same permissions as the input, regardless of what they are.
20:13<FragByte>gdb: no
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20:13<FragByte>gzp does not create a new file, it overwrites the content of an existing one and renames it
20:13<gdb>FragByte: That's the first pastebin I posted in here, showing that that's what it's doing.
20:14<gdb>No, it doesn't.
20:14<gdb>It creates a new file and streams compressed data into it, then unlinks the original.
20:14<gdb>Try it on a really big file so it takes some time to run, and look at it in another terminal.
20:15<Zomb>gzip and others are intended to work on single files
20:15<gdb>While compression is happening, the output file is always mode 600.
20:15<Zomb>their default behaviour is even destorying the original version
20:15<gdb>Zomb: Yes, I understand that.
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20:16<gdb>I'm saying it would "be a nice feature" if tar and zip were to protect your archives to at least the same level as the most restrictively permissioned input file.
20:16<Zomb>ok. You might have a point, but usually the output of packers is considered a new file (archive).
20:16<gdb>Yes, right, that I do get and I accept that's what it's doing. :-)
20:16<gdb>I was just musing that I feel it'd be a nice to have if it ... were a bit more "intelligent" as it were ;-)
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20:17<gdb>I've never been bit by having data stolen in this way, but in 18 years of using Unix, I've never noticed it, either. ;-)
20:17<Zomb>and it's not hard to understand, just my scroll buffer is limited
20:17<marcelo_>Guys, it's been my second time using IRC..... Would anyone care to explain me where is the right place to ask my doubts?
20:17<gdb>Ah, no worries!
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20:17<gdb>marcelo_: What's your question?
20:18<FragByte>gdb: yeah youre right, it does not compress in-place indeed, thanks for the info ;)
20:18<gdb>FragByte: Sure thing!
20:18<marcelo_>what's Does the letters "rc" means in .bashrc
20:18<gdb>I believe it stance for "resource configuration" -- but don't quote me on that!
20:18<Zomb>marcelo_: I guess there is some explanation but it's long forgotten
20:19<Zomb>I bed c means configuration
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20:19<marcelo_>I'm just curious....Tks anyway
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20:20<Zomb>RC - Runtime Configuration (unix/linux configuration files)
20:20<gdb>Ah ha! Where'd you find that?
20:21<Zomb>wikipedia:configuration file
20:22<Zomb>uhm... The "rc" naming convention of "rc files" was inspired by the "runcom" facility mentioned above and does not stand for "resource configuration" or "runtime configuration" as is often wrongly guessed.[2]
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20:24<marcelo_>Tks guys!
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20:38<marcelo_>Finally I understood the relationship between this files (/etc/profile) (~/.bash_profile) (~/.bash_login) (~/.profile) and (.bashrc)
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20:42<aPpYe>I am migrating from archlinux to debian ... I initiate reverse ssh tunneling at startup from friend and family machines. I need to copy over the ssh server "identity" from the arch machine to the new machine ... Normally, I would just copy over the entire contents of /etc/ssh/ to the new machine (archlinux to archlinux), but since I am making a debian machine, I am not sure what I need. Perhaps I just need a specific file? Here is wh
20:42<aPpYe>at I currently have in /etc/ssh/ …
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20:43<sney>aPpYe: ssh configurations are pretty universal across different distributions
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20:44<FragByte>aPpYe: i guess what you want is to copy over the keys
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20:47<aPpYe>hmm. I guess I will just backup everything first. sney, it is just that the arch machine has a bunch of files there that are not in the debian machine I am typing on now ...
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20:49<babilen>You just need the keys, but it would certainly make sense to generate new keys (which is done by default) on Debian and adapt the clients to it.
20:49<FragByte>aPpYe: the only things that are missing are .pacnew (not needed) and the keys, you can copy them
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20:53<aPpYe>FragByte, yeah pacnew is pacman (arch package manager) stuff ... Thanks a million. Here we go debian!
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20:54<FragByte>aPpYe: i have used arch for years myself ;)
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20:57<aPpYe>FragByte, cool. Thanks a lot.
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20:57<FragByte>no problem
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21:28<TimbrWolf>Can you increase the font size in squeeze without affecting X? (Tried console-setup with no luck)
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21:53<MrFrood>TimbrWolf: try
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21:59<Andy__>who's awake ?
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22:03<wompa>dpkg, oftc
22:03<dpkg>OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>.
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22:09<lisa>I've got a flash drive encrypted on Ubuntu, trying to read it on CentOS. Anyone able to help me?
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22:09<Guest13760>I've got a flash drive encrypted on Ubuntu, trying to read it on CentOS. Anyone able to help me?
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22:10<wompa>Guest13073, this is Debian support channel, I don't think anyone will answer you here.
22:10<wompa>dpkg, ubuntu, centos
22:10<dpkg>wompa: i don't know
22:10<wompa>dpkg, ubuntu
22:10<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
22:10<wompa>dpkg, centos
22:10<dpkg>CentOS (Community ENTerprise Operating System) is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. For IRC support, join #centos on
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22:17<wompa>Oh, sorry, I meant that for Guest13760, who doesn't seem to be here any longer…
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22:18<vrkalak>while Ubuntu is 'loosely' based on Debian unstable ... the Ubuntu Devs have changed everything so much, that Debian and Ubuntu are no longer compatible nor interchangeable
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22:19<sney>and the rule here is always that we only support actual Debian systems... so barely-modified things like LMDE are still not supported here
22:20<vrkalak>understood ... same goes for LMDE, crunchbang and antiX
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23:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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23:58<Nemoder>how do I configure ALSA to allow multiple programs to record from the mic at the same time?
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