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---Logopened Mon Oct 17 00:00:53 2011
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00:03<Affenhem>hello people, im having troubles with both NICs, is there a way to configure them or install a driver manually?
00:03<MrFrood>Nemoder: I'm guessing you wouldd needd to JACK or perhaps pulseaudio - but it is only a guess
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00:03<sney>Affenhem: details?
00:04<Affenhem>Asus G53 laptop. it just does not see any network cards (6.0.3, amd64)
00:05<sney>and I'm guessing you have 1 wired and 1 wifi?
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00:05<Affenhem>correct (sorry)
00:05<sney>are they both built in?
00:06<sney>what's the output of 'lspci -nn |grep -i net' ?
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00:06<Affenhem>the problem is, im gonna need to reboot (using windows now)
00:07<sney>ok, I'm looking for the pci ids of the network cards. that command will give you lines like this:
00:08<sney>02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82573L Gigabit Ethernet Controller [8086:109a]
00:08<sney>the last part with the [xxxx:xxxx] is what we need to figure out your networking
00:08<sney>you can just write them down and come back, I'll be here
00:08<Affenhem>okay, i'll do that, thank you
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00:18<Affenhem>hello again
00:19<Affenhem>wireless: Atheros [168c:002b]
00:20<Affenhem>wired: Realtek [10ec:8168]
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00:22<Affenhem>im sorry, i forgot the nickname of the person who was helping me
00:23<madsci44>was sney
00:23<sney>oh hi
00:23<sney>,pciid 10ec:8168
00:23<judd>[10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also
00:23<sney>ok, the wired should work out of the box
00:23<sney>,pciid 168c:002b
00:23<judd>[168c:002b] is 'AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath9k' in squeeze. See also
00:24<sney>hmm, so should the wifi. so Affenhem, when you say that it "does not see" the network cards, what do you mean?
00:24<Affenhem>i mean that it does not give me any way to set up a connection
00:25<Aketzu>does 'ifconfig -a' show any eth* or wlan*
00:25<Affenhem>give me 2 minutes, please. thanks
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00:29<Affenhem>i finally got another computer
00:30<Affenhem>so what ifconfig output should have?
00:31<sney>ifconfig shows the names of your interfaces and their settings
00:31<Affenhem>yes, so what i see is loopback only
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00:32<Affenhem>my bad, forgot the -a switch. yes, they are both present
00:33<Affenhem>so, is means i just need to configure them?
00:33<sney>the gui tools network-manager or wicd can do this, or you can use the file /etc/network/interfaces
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00:34<Affenhem>im not familiar with the bash at all. it says i do have wicd installed though
00:35<sney>if you have your wired connection hooked up, 'dhclient eth0' will get you fully connected
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00:37<Affenhem> /etc/network/interfaces: Permission denied. eve though its run as root
00:38<sney>it's a text file, you edit it with whatever text editor you feel like using
00:39<sney>and 'man 5 interfaces' will give you some examples of what to put in it. it's pretty straightforward.
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00:40<Affenhem>okay, i'll try moving on by myself from here. thanks a lot for your help
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01:55<mute>What's the diff between apt-get purge and apt-get remove?
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01:56<jm_>the former purges the package while the latter removes it - purge means it also removes its config files
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01:57<mute>jm_: A very satisfactory answer. Thank you.
01:57<jm_>mute: no worries
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01:58<mute>jm_: Sometimes I want to reach through the internet and slap everyone who answers a quick question with a reference to something else that might contain the answer, especially when they clearly know it. So I can't praise the considerate enough.
01:59<jm_>mute: yeah the man page for dpkg is a start
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02:03<madsci44>has anyone noticed some networking connectivity issues with sid lately? I have an amd64 box running r8169 driver and after an update a couple weeks ago it keeps dropping the connection under load - wondering if i have a hardware issue
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02:03<jm_>does the driver report anything when that happens?
02:04<madsci44>yeah theres some errors in syslog/dmesg - let me fire it up again and see
02:05<mute>Care to help me wrangle something bugging me? I'm annoyed by the fact that my user and my root do not have the same $PATH, for the purposes of running things via sudo and using tab completion
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02:08<jm_>mute: sudo changes the PATH variable by default anyway
02:09<mute>Maybe I'm thinking of comething different
02:09<mute>I'm talking about the fact that some commands aren't visible through tab completetion except when I sudo su.
02:10<mute>And I'd rather sudo than sudo su.
02:10<mute>or su
02:10<mute>at all
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02:15<madsci44>jm_ ifconfig shows a heap of frame errors, and in dmesg i just see repeated "r8169 0000:06:00.0: eth0: link up" enough to trigger ratelimit in syslog
02:17<madsci44>jm_ RX packets = dropped = frame in ifconfig - tx packets counts look normal
02:17<jm_>madsci44: and you're sure the other side of the link is OK?
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02:18<madsci44>you mean the machine its connected to? yes
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02:20<madsci44>it started happening out of the blue after i did an update, I was messing with qemu, set up br0 to serve a virtual machien with a network interface, then I uninstalled qemu and returned my ./etc/network/interfaces file to original without br0, uninstalled bridge and qemu packages. since around that time its been misbehaving. I figured its either somethiing that came in the update, something left behind from the bridge configuration, or a hardware problem .
02:21<jm_>maybe you also updated the kernel?
02:22<madsci44>probably - I just update as aptitude suggests to keep up
02:22<jm_>you can check in aptitude/dpkg logfile
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02:24<madsci44>Linux version 3.0.0-1-amd64 (Debian 3.0.0-4)
02:25<jm_>i'm running 3.0.6 at home (not debian kernel) and haven't noticed any oddities with r8169 so far (since thursday or somesuch)
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02:27<madsci44>maybe i should try another update
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03:25<mute>Can anyone give me a hand? Am trying to get my wireless to scan. I had to jump through some hoops as it is to get the right module running because it's this one, but now I've done that and got the wlan0 interface up, but when I try iwlist scan wlan0 comes up with No networks detected even though it should be seeing quite a few.
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03:29<henr_k>mute: you are of course running scan as root?
03:29<mute>henr_k: Yup
03:30<mute>wlan0 No scan results
03:30<henr_k>anything in dmesg when it loads the module? or tries to perform the scan?
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03:33<mute>henr_k: Plenty, just don't know what's relevant.
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03:34<mute>henr_k: The only thing that looked really relevant, to me at least was this:
03:34<mute>[ 11.517000] phy0 -> rt2800pci_mcu_status: Error - MCU request failed, no response from hardware
03:34<mute>[ 11.542922] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
03:34<mute>Not that I know what that mean.s
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03:37<gsimmons>mute: Which firmware-ralink version is installed? (dpkg -l firmware-ralink | tail -n1)
03:37<mute>gsimmons: ii firmware-ralink 0.33 Binary firmware for Ralink wireless cards
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03:43<mute>Does any of that tell you anthing?
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03:43<henr_k>mute: give me a few minutes to google, will ya'? :)
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03:47<henr_k>can you dump a lspci -vv for the wireless card as well? and an lsmod too I guess
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03:49<henr_k>ah, no, spci -s 0000:01:00.0 -k
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03:51<mute>lspci -s 0000:03:06.0 -k
03:51<mute>03:06.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. Device 3062 Subsystem: Ralink corp. Device 3062 Kernel driver in use: rt2800pci
03:51<henr_k>yeah, I just noticed :)
03:53<mute>didn't thing my vga out was relevant.
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03:53<henr_k>hehe, no, I got the pci-address from the dmesg, which was not what I thought it was :)
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03:58<henr_k>have you tried with another kernel btw?
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03:59<mute>henr_k: Just went to wheezy's.
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04:05<mute>henr_k: Lose you?
04:05<henr_k>ok, I get one that might work, but it requires you to compile a kernel and use another driver
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04:06<mute>henr_k: rt2860sta by chance?
04:06<mute>Yeah, tried it already.
04:06<henr_k>ah, k :)
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04:07<mute>well, no, didn't tyr that one in particular
04:07<mute>why a another kernel?
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04:10<henr_k>the kernel has a defined policy of unstable internal API, so if the kernel has changed a lot and the driver didn't keep up - it'll stop workign
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04:11<henr_k>so just an idle thought to see if that would (at least temporarily) fix the problem
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04:13<mute>Not downgrading my kernel for this. I want to run Wheezy
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04:15<henr_k>hehe, I can understand that :)
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04:17<henr_k> <-- tried the rmmod and modprobe and ip link approach?
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04:21<sn0rri>Hi all
04:21<sn0rri>I have a quick question regarding ldapscripts and OpenLDAp
04:23<sn0rri>The ldapscripts commands use the -y parameter to read the password for libnss-ldap.secret but this doesn't seem to work
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04:24<sn0rri>I have tried manually to perform a search and try to read the password from a file using the -y option to ldapsearch
04:24<mute>henr_k: tried everything up to netcfg
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04:25<sn0rri>but it returns an error invalid credentials
04:25<sn0rri>any thoughts?
04:26<henr_k>mute: the netcfg is probably one of his profiles
04:26<henr_k>but, after you did ip link, can you run iwlist wlan0 scan?
04:27<mute>henr_k: Yes. Nothing,
04:27<mute>But I do get a similar error to him.
04:27<mute>[ 105.781106] phy1 -> rt2800pci_mcu_status: Error - MCU request failed, no response from hardware
04:27<mute>from dmesg
04:27<mute>except mine is phy0
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04:27<henr_k>so, rmmod - returned ok, nothing like "in use"-errors?
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04:28<mute>no output, erroneous or otherwise.
04:28<henr_k>ah, and, after rmmod, lspci -k -s ... <-- is another driver in use?
04:29<mute>henr_k: 03:06.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. Device 3062 Subsystem: Ralink corp. Device 3062 Kernel driver in use: rt2800pci
04:29<mute>same driver
04:30<henr_k>ok. Does dmesg say anything about rt2800pci being unloaded?
04:30<henr_k>alternatively rmmod -v rt2800pci
04:30<henr_k>and then do it twice to see if output differs
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04:32<mute>[ 5568.616316] rt2800pci 0000:03:06.0: PCI INT A disabled
04:32<mute>Then after I bring it back up
04:32<mute>[ 5607.312767] ieee80211 phy2: Selected rate control algorithm 'minstrel_ht'
04:32<mute>[ 5607.315860] Registered led device: rt2800pci-phy2::radio
04:32<mute>[ 5607.315923] Registered led device: rt2800pci-phy2::assoc
04:32<mute>[ 5607.315984] Registered led device: rt2800pci-phy2::quality
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04:33<henr_k>hups? :)
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04:34<mute>Well, the last line before the kick was [ 5607.394840] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
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04:35<henr_k>ah, but still, it did not bomb when setting MCU
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04:36<bis0n>how to install ati drivers on an 3.0.0-2amd64 ???
04:36<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
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04:37<EmleyMoor>I am trying (just to test that my TV card is not broken) to use an STK1160 video capture device - but can't work out how to view it...
04:38<bis0n>ok ok I trying fglrx-driver fglrx-control, but nothing working for me
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04:39<bis0n>xserver-xorg-core (< 2:1.10.99) but 2: is installed :/
04:40<EmleyMoor>I know I've had this device working before - I found it slow!
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04:41<Nemoder>vlc tv:// ?
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04:43<EmleyMoor>Unable to open that mrl
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04:43<EmleyMoor>My TV card receives TV Ok but I'm not getting composite... I am trying to use the USB stick to prove my composite lead...
04:46<EmleyMoor>I can't see what becomes of the device when connected
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04:50<carlos>Hi guys, what driver do you recommand for "nVidia Corporation G98M [Quadro NVS 160M]" under debian stable? Right now i am using the default driver, but xorg allways uses 0 - 20% CPU in normal 2d desktop mode.
04:50<carlos>and flash/html videos are kind of laggy.
04:51*EmleyMoor gives up
04:52<EmleyMoor>Any good ways to detect whether a video signal is present on a lead?
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04:53<EmleyMoor>There's something there - can get interference!
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05:03<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... either my TV card is only making interference of the signal or my AV amp is only sending interference out!
05:04<themill>EmleyMoor: It might be that you've just discovered the true nature of British TV.
05:05<petemc>its radiation from the big bang
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05:14<EmleyMoor>petemc: No, that's snow. This is black bands
05:14<EmleyMoor>themill: It appears OK on the regular TV
05:14<themill>fsvo "OK" ;)
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05:44<madsci44>man, - i cant believe this gnome3 stuff - they should have made it entirely alternate rather than a transition from existing gnome
05:45<Black_Prince>It rocks
05:45<themill>madsci44: "they" are a small group of volunteers with only enough time to volunteer to look after one enormous set of packages, not two.
05:46<mosno>i tried 3.0 in fedora, it had promise. can't wait to see it in wheezy
05:46<Black_Prince>It is in sid ... So far so good ...
05:47<Black_Prince>And 3.2 components are already arriving ...
05:48<mosno>we might even see a post 3.2 in wheezy given that wheezy freezes in Q2 2012 afaik
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05:48<Black_Prince>Maybe even 3.4 ... (3.4 comes out in april)
05:49<mosno>yeah, most likely that, unless something hits the fan
05:49<mosno>which would be great. let it mature a bit
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05:51<Black_Prince>3.2 brings back applets ... Who knows what may 3.4 bring. </offtopic>
05:51<mosno>Black_Prince: come into #debian-offtopic if you want
05:52<madsci44>themill: I'm not knocking the efforts of volunteers whatsoever - I wholeheartedly respect everyones effort. I dont like gnome3 though, its probalbly great for many others
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05:52<themill>madsci44: give it time for you to get used to it and for it to mature
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05:54<madsci44>I have to get work done - I dont have time for that really - its just not productive for the way I work. Previous gnome was fine so i hope i can find a way to keep with it, but also stay with the evolving distro for other stuff
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06:04<henr_k>the one thing I love about gnome3, is the new and improved run-application thing. I type in 'gnome-terminal' and I get the last program ran. I type thunderbird and I get firefox, I type uxterm and I get nothing. Then gnome-terminal and I get uxterm.
06:05<henr_k>so now, I just work untill I either get uxterm or GT, and then I start everything from the shell :)
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06:07<grummund>Printing a text file with lp or lpr, it loses the first char of each line due to physical paper alignment.
06:07<grummund>cups is installed as printer daemon
06:08<themill>sounds like you need to tell cups you need slightly larger margins on the page
06:08<madsci44>conceptually, i think gnome3 would be really cool for tablets,
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06:09<madsci44>On my desktop though it feels like fisher price took over the world
06:09<henr_k>I shall refrain from uttering what I think gnome3 would be cool for, but since gnome3, I've started using fluxbox (:
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06:13<grummund>themill: thanks for that pointer... it appears that "X Offset" offers the required magic
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06:15<grummund>hmm, that works great for lpr, but not lp.
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06:30<nocturnal>on debian 6, actually I used a sid repo for this, postgresql 9.1. there is no pg_ctl included. only pg_ctlcluster. can I still get pg_ctl if I want it?
06:30<nocturnal>oh nevermind, I found it with find
06:30<nocturnal>should have looked first
06:31<themill>,versions postgresql-9.1 --release squeeze-backports
06:31<judd>Package: postgresql-9.1 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 9.1.1-1~bpo60+1
06:31<themill>nocturnal: ^^ a much better option that mixing sid and squeeze
06:31<nocturnal>clearly you're right but backports never even came to mind.
06:32<nocturnal>I commented out the sid repo after pg was installed anyways
06:32<nocturnal>will keep backports in mind
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07:36<Ermac>I need of example file .... "sources.list" of debian 6
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07:38<themill>dpkg: tell Ermac about make squeeze sources.list
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07:46<DYSW>Hey all. > How do i get "Open as administrator" added to my right click menu with debian latest and gnome installed ?
07:46<DYSW>Been searching wide and low on google, not much luck, i know its rather simple, just cant remember how
07:47<babilen>DYSW: I would speculate that you need to install gksu, but I am not entirely sure what provides that functionality in nautilus.
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07:48<DYSW>My thought too
07:48<DYSW>apt-get install nautilus-gksu maybe
07:48<DYSW>finally found this
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07:48<babilen>DYSW: So gksu is installed already?
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07:49<DYSW>No, not if its not installed by default. Just installed sqeeze and ran apt-get update and dist-upgrade nothing more
07:49<babilen>,info nautilus-gksu
07:49<judd>Package nautilus-gksu (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: privilege granting extension for nautilus using gksu. Version: 2.0.2-5; Size: 27.3k; Installed: 84k; Homepage:
07:50<babilen>DYSW: Sounds as if you indeed need nautilus-gksu (which will pull in gksu as a dependency)
07:50<DYSW>should be easy as cake, guessi asked a bit too fast in here.
07:50<babilen>DYSW: Well, you solved the problem yourself. "Rubber-duck debugging" at its best :)
07:51<DYSW>After listing 2 you guys in here for month its starting to get stuck on the upper floor
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07:52<DYSW>Onwards > Have anybody had experienced running testing on a server on live site for a longer time ?
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07:53<DYSW>apt-get install nautilus-gksu maybe and a reboot did it
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07:54<babilen>DYSW: Wonderful -- I wouldn't recommend to run testing on a server (or any other kind of production system)
07:55<afuentes>does anybody know how to debug /etc/init.d/scripts? it seems they dont generate stdout stderr output :S
07:56<DYSW>babilen > The name testing kind of says that. But its nice to have latest php and a 3.0.X kernel. Only other option is ubuntu
07:56<babilen>afuentes: You might be interested in "man dash" and in particular the "-x" option, which you can add to the shebang
07:57<jm_>afuentes: you can add "set -x" and exec lines to redirect to a file
07:57<afuentes>babilen, jm_ but the scripts does not generate stdout nor stderr, there is nothing to use with -x
07:58<babilen>DYSW: Do you need a 3.0 kernel? FWIW you can get .39 from backports and from what I've heard pulling 3.0 from sid is also working. I wouldn't recommend pulling any sid packages though.
07:58<jm_>afuentes: adding set -x means shell will show each command as it's executed
07:58<babilen>jm_: Isn't that bash specific?
07:59<jm_>babilen: "set -x"? no
08:00<dba>.oO(and there are other people doing kernel backports too, so if you need 3.0, just look for them)
08:00<DYSW>babilen > need and need, the webserver performence with ubuntu latest is 15-20% higher than with sqeeze, havnt tested testing yet. It might not matter much on a live site though
08:00<babilen>afuentes: So the script does not provide a trace when you change the shebang line from "#!/bin/sh -e" to "#!/bin/sh -ex" ? (or "/bin/sh" to "/bin/sh -x") ?
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08:00<babilen>jm_: Ah, good :)
08:01<babilen>jm_: I should have checked that before, I am not sure why, but I somehow thought that it is a bash builtin :-/
08:02<jm_>babilen: I think quite a few init/postinst scripts use 'set -e'
08:03<afuentes>babilen, jm_ the scripts does not generate stderr or stdout, so is of no use to use -x :S
08:03<afuentes>try it ourselves
08:03<themill>how so?
08:04<babilen>afuentes: Which script are we talking about? And fwiw it works just fine here -- Adding "set -x" or "-x" surely causes the shell to provide a trace of the commands it is running.
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08:15<JOVE>I am working with some software called Fasset that is under LGPL licens. I would like that fasset will be accepted under main repo of Debian. But I dont know where to start (expet that it would include some readings from my part). Any idear where to start?
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08:16<babilen>JOVE: Do you want to package it yourself or are you merely looking for a way to request it to be packaged by someone else?
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08:17<JOVE>I assumed that I should package it myself and maintain it myself. But I have never done it before, so if someone else would do it , it would be nice
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08:20<babilen>JOVE: Ok, there are many ways. If you want to propose it for inclusion into the archive you can file an RFP bug against wnpp (/msg dpkg rfp). If you want to package it yourself you would file an itp (intend to package) bug against wnpp (/msg dpkg itp), package it and search for a sponsor.
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08:22<babilen>JOVE: Packaging itself is discussed in the New Maintainer's Guide (/msg dpkg nmg), on , in the Debian policy (/msg dpkg policy) and a bunch of other tutorials. Most of the good ones are linked from the wiki page. I would also recommend to watch some of the debconf videos and in particular (some of the talks in later years are also quite good)
08:23<babilen>JOVE: Do you have a link to the upstream website?
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08:23<JOVE>yes it is
08:24<babilen>JOVE: Where is the code?
08:24<JOVE>and source: (by using anonymous as user and anonymous as password)
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08:26<JOVE> for latest stable version for trunk
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08:27<babilen>JOVE: Support for packaging is typically provided in #debian-mentors and on the mentors mailing list. It typically also makes sense to join one of the Packaging teams, but I can not really think of one that is closely related to your software. Given its scientific character the Debian science team might be appropriate.
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08:28<babilen>JOVE: But you do not need to join a team if you want to package something. Good luck and may you have fun!
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08:29<JOVE>thank for you advices
08:29<JOVE>it have given me some information that I need to look at
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08:33<babilen>JOVE: You have, indeed, quite some reading to do :)
08:33<Danny>Any advise for getting the most video codecs to work on debian ? I installed vlc, and then the w32codecs pacakge and now all that vlc shows are a black screen when playing any vids.
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08:35<Bushmills>Danny: try changing video output to X11
08:35<Danny>in vlc ?
08:36<afuentes>babilen, sorry, one of our severs went down lol
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08:37<afuentes>as i was saying, the init.d scripts does not seem to generate stderr and stdout at boot time
08:37<afuentes>so -x seems worthless :S
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08:37<azatoth_work>is it possible to use read_pinfile in python-apt when using the high-level interface?
08:37<Danny>Thanks Bushmills
08:38<themill>afuentes: stderr/stdout and set -x are completely different things. I'm not sure what connection you're making here.
08:39<afuentes>themill, the connection is i was asking how to debug init.d scripts at boot time and the answer was to add -x
08:39<Danny>Bushmill > now vlc wont play anything at all. even if i change it back to default. Mmm
08:39<afuentes>and my answer to that was that the scripts wasnt generating stdout and stderr, so to put -x seems worthless
08:40<themill>afuentes: does it actually need to be debugged at boot time? Why not later?
08:40<afuentes>themill, because later works perfectly :S
08:40<Bushmills>Danny: sounds odd
08:40<themill>afuentes: -x will tell you exactly what happened. That's independent of whether the script is echoing anything on its own
08:40<afuentes>themill, its mounting a couple of disks... but at boot time its not mounting one of them... if i run the script manually it works pefectly. Thats why i wanted to debug at boot time
08:42<Danny>Bushmills > this time around i hadnt even installed w32codecs, cause i knew it would mess stuff up. So installed vlc, played video. np. changed to X11, black sceen, back to default. still blackscreen. apt.get remove vlc*, and reinstall, same problem still
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08:42<Bushmills>X11 output is the least critical of all of them. seems your problem is not video output
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08:43<Bushmills>vlc doesn't play some movies here which mplayer does, btw.
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08:44<Danny>Bushmills > thats the reason i install vlc at all. but now that it wont play any, the only solution is a complete system reinstall, waste of time. Cant even reinstall it
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08:46<afuentes>themill, ok, its a phisical machine and i had to connect a monitor but i saw the output of -x :)
08:46<afuentes>:DDD \o/
08:46<jm_>that's why I said use set -x + exec to redirect to a file
08:46<themill>afuentes: that sort of problem sounds a lot like a race condition in waiting for a disk (or network connection if it's network storage) to come up and actually be ready. You could always be crude and just put a sleep in there. I presume you don't reboot often enough for an extra minute to be an issue
08:47<jm_>(not sure if bootlogd would catch it but I suppose it would)
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08:47<Bushmills>oh well. i suppose people have reinstalled for lesser reasons
08:48<confrey>hi everybody
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08:48<afuentes>set -x + exec? whats the exec for?
08:48<confrey>can anybody help me about using wpa_supplicant in command line?
08:49<Bushmills>!8ball can somebody?
08:50<jm_>afuentes: need to go: google shell redirect stderr to file exec or somesuch
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08:52<afuentes>jm_ i was using the script to call to the real script with /path/toscript start &> /path/tolog
08:52<afuentes>and in /path/toscript had -x at the shebang
08:52<afuentes>it logged everything fine if launched manually
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08:53<afuentes>it logged nothing at boottime
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08:53<afuentes>and i read somewhere that init.d scripts did not generate stdout at boottime
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09:07<grohne>hi. does someone know how to preseed the hostname and domain overriding the settings from dhcp?
09:08<weasel>"fix your dhcp server" is not an option?
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09:08<grohne>weasel: not mine.
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09:15<grohne>hmm. wait perhaps the settings do not originate from dhcp. so i'm down d-i netcfg/get_hostname string being ignored. the hostname is the default "debian".
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09:32<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... looks like my amp's faulty!
09:33<EmleyMoor>(amp or video lead...)
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09:35<nocturnal>grohne: you can use append netcfg/dhcp_timeout=90 in the syslinux.cfg file of your dist.
09:36<nocturnal>I pasted that specifically because I use it to set a higher timeout
09:36<nocturnal>hostname works fine for me
09:38<nocturnal>I use /etc/hosts on the deployment/dhcp server to set the hostname btw.
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09:39<nocturnal>option host-name "host"; fixed-address host; in dhcp3 config for each host.
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09:40<grohne>that's easy when you use isc-dhcp
09:40<grohne>but if you use virtualbox for instance you're out of luck
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09:40<EmleyMoor>Damn, it's the amp!
09:40<nocturnal>I've never used virtualbox that extensively but I do have vmware fusion at home and I seem to remember that you can bridge the connection and setup your own dhcp in your own network.
09:40<nocturnal>if need be
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09:41<nocturnal>so perhaps virtualbox has a mode where it doesn't act as gateway
09:42<AlexMax>last time i tried using virtualbox to do serious business server hosting i got nothing but crashes
09:42<AlexMax>trying to host a minecraft server on it
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09:42<nocturnal>AlexMax: ooh that's a bad idea wrapped in a disaster
09:43<nocturnal>I don't know much about virtualbox but I did run a minecraft server, and I now hate java.
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09:43<nocturnal>the people who run public minecraft-servers must shit gold.
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09:44<AlexMax>i like how the kernel devs now consider the vbox driver tainted and crap
09:45<AlexMax>too bad vmware on osx has no free player
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09:48<grohne>nocturnal: thanks for your help, but i lack permission to modifiy the local dhcp server. :-(
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09:49<grohne>nocturnal: so for now I will probably stick to entering hostname= on every kernel prompt. :-(
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09:54<EmleyMoor>Damn - now I need a way to switch video signals into my TV card
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10:13<franck__>salut pat !!tous fonctionne bien,et sai sympa de navigué comme ca,j ensuitrés content...merci encore pat du bon travail
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10:17<Chettbii>I've got a problem with my proftpd configuration, I'm using virtualmin, and all my website ftp are available typing ftp.domain.tld
10:17<Chettbii>I don't kown how to change that :/
10:18<Chettbii>Is someone can help me ?
10:19<themill>you'll probably not find anyone here wanting to touch anything with virtualmin involved
10:19<Chettbii>I know :/ but I googled and I find nothing
10:20<Chettbii>so I try here :)
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10:22<houms>good day all, i am trying to test scp and i get "Sorry, you may not execute scp -f" anyone seen this?
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10:23<grohne>houms: what kind of server do you use?
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10:25<houms>you mean OS?
10:26<houms>centos ssh server debian ssh client
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10:49<Bushmills>there's no mention of a -f option with scp
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10:50<Bushmills>what's it supposed to do?
10:52<houms>not sure i didn't even specify it
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10:52<houms>i just am trying to test scp using passwordless login so i can copy config remotely every so often
10:52<houms>so i have arount 75 servers and would like to copy a config from each one of them once a week or at some set interval
10:53<houms>trying to keep it as automated as possible
10:53<grohne>houms: presumably the remote server uses some restricted shell
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10:53<Bushmills>try rsync, it can tunnel through ssh
10:54<Bushmills>can be used almost like the cp command
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10:54<houms>not sure how to deal with authorization, i was trying to use the nagios user since nagios is doing checks by ssh on all these servers, but it seems someone has changed the way nagios user is setup as trying to just ssh results in "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0"
10:54<houms>"Sorry you may not execute
10:54<houms>so how can i rysnc from all servers
10:55<grohne>houms: that looks like a usual restricted shell that only permits checking nagios properties
10:55<houms>i assume its just rsync -avz /path/to/remote/config /path/to/local/storage
10:55<Bushmills>src remote:/path/...
10:56<Bushmills>or reverse
10:56<houms>is there a way to pass credentials
10:56<Bushmills>ssh keys
10:56<grohne>houms: so first of all you need to set up a way to access the file on the remote. either by removing some of the restrictions on the nagios ssh key or creating a new ssh key
10:56<houms>unfortunately there is no path from the servers to the nagios box only the other way
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10:57<houms>where can i find the restrictions on the current nagios user setup?
10:57<grohne>houms: probably in ~$nagiosuser/.ssh/authorized_keys
10:57<houms>i have root shell access as well.
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10:57<houms>they are all in an internal network
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10:57<amilianm>holas holas
10:57<houms>what do i do with the key entry though?or better yet how do i tell it not to restrict ?
10:58<grohne>houms: depends on what restrictions are in place.
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10:59<grohne>houms: see man authorized_keys
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11:00<grohne>houms: another way to restrict the user is its login shell as noted in /etc/passwd
11:00<houms>the auth_keys on the servers have a command pointing to whos contents look like
11:00<houms>i believe this is where the restriction is happening
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11:02<grohne>houms: in case you do not wish to open a can of worms i would suggest that you either understand what you are doing or not touch this file.
11:03<houms>fair enough
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11:04<grohne>houms: maybe you can create a separate user and use scponly or the like?
11:04<houms>that is an option, just did not want to have to create new user and config on all the servers
11:04<houms>was hoping i could save some time and find another method
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11:23<kostix>Is there a way to actually move a hierarchy of files from one directory to another (on the same local filesystem)? cpio and pax support "pass-through" operation which is almost what I need, but it seems they cannot delete source files after copying/linking them to the destination place
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11:24<babilen>kostix: What is wrong with "mv" ?
11:25<Bushmills>kostix: move parent directory
11:26<kostix>babilen, it's more involved: it's an assorted set of files (which is got prepared by `find`using somewhat weird logic) so mv won't cut it
11:26<ballison>i need CVS help. i made a bad booboo. I checked a file that should have gone into a branch into HEAD and now I need to undo it. I removed the file and tried to "cvs -j 1.14 filename" to get the older version of the file and that doesn't work. it keeps giving me back the current version of the file with the conflict header....
11:26<kostix>I can combine find and mv but it would be inefficient, I suppose
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11:26<petemc>find ... | while read ; do mv "$REPLY"...
11:26<nitebirdz>there are issues with mv and symlinks sometimes too, right?
11:27<themill>ballison: CVS... seriously? You might be in one of those fun places where you start editing the repo with vi.
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11:27<babilen>kostix: Why would that be inefficient? Read about -exec +
11:27<Flurry>Hello all!
11:28<ballison>themill: I just need to know how to revert to the previous version of the file...
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11:29<themill>ballison: I'm afraid you're about 6 years too late for my knowledge of CVS. There's a #cvs over on freenode.
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11:30<babilen>ballison: As a side note: You might want to consider using/learning another VCS
11:30<Flurry>I have to run a php script and pass a variable to this script. How can I do? Any idea?
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11:31<babilen>Flurry: I recommend ##php on for PHP specific questions.
11:32<kostix>babilen, spawning mv for each of those several thousands files... it just doesn't feel right ;)
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11:34<themill>kostix: the syntax babilen is suggesting does not do that; there's a difference between "-exec \;" and "-exec +"
11:34<babilen>kostix: Have you read the description of the bulk actions with find? You will have to perform N actions for these N files anyway
11:34<themill>babilen: yeah, there's probably a nice CVS to git convert somewhere that ballison could use ...
11:34<babilen>kostix: Please also note the difference between ... ah, thanks themill
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11:40<Flurry>babilen, I can't enter in ##php irc channel: ##php :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
11:41<babilen>Flurry: Register your account on freenode in that case (/msg nickserv help register) +
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11:41<kostix>babilen, ah, so it's kind of `find $path -exec cp -t $dest {} +`?
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11:42<kostix>one problem I perceive with this is that I can't see what's the equivalent to xargs' -n option would be for find
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11:43<babilen>kostix: I don't really understand the question. "mv" is a bit like "cp" with the fundamental difference that the src files are unliked afterwards. Isn't that what you wanted?
11:43<themill>there is no -n option for this forking, but you'll be IO-bound anyway so it doesn't matter
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11:43<kostix>babilen, just an error on my part: I had to write mv there instead of cp ;)
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11:44<kostix>themill, erm. doesn't it just build something like "mv -t $dest a b c d e ..." and then execute it? The shell has a limit on the command length
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11:46<kostix>themill, I didn't mean xargs' "-P N" option, but "-n N" which means "run this command with N arguments consumed so far"
11:47<ic>I am trying to install Debian on partitioned HDD that has already Ubuntu OS installed in second partition and third partion is NTFS formatted for use with Windows OS. Debian installer proposes to use whole HDD, is there any possibility to choose earlier created logical volume in HDD for Debian installation, any ideas please?
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11:47<themill>kostix: ahh -- find is not constrained by the shell here
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11:52<kostix>ic, just tell manual partitioning and then select the designated partition and make it contain /
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11:53<kostix>ic, I mean, tell the installer to use manual partitioning instead
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11:53<kostix>babilen, in any case thanks for the tip about that + thing of find, I was unaware of it
11:54<ic>kostix, thanks for answer, I tried manual partitioning but installer in this mode propose to partition whole HDD for Debian..
11:56<ic>kostix, at least installer in manual mode does not prompt what logical partition to be used
11:56<kostix>it should not prompt. it drops you to a kind of manual selector where you're free to create/delete/modify partitions
11:57<kostix>and select which mount point to create from which partition
11:58<ic>kostix, ok, cheers, I will try one more time, last time installer said that all data on HDD will be destroyed during partitioning process
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11:59<kostix>ic, sure, it meant that if you delete any partition and then save the changes, the data on that partition will be gone. not that the installer will unconditionally delete something itself
12:00<ic>kostix, thank you, now rebooting to continue installation
12:01<kostix>ic, in any case after you'll finished messing with the partitions the installer will show big red warning about saving changes. so you can play at will and then cancel at any time before saving
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12:01<ic>kostix, ok, thanks a lot
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12:39<van>boa tarde
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12:44<babilen>van: Can we help you?
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13:04<Flurry>Who is the owner of the files left on a samba share after the original user is deleted?
13:06<SynrG>if you remove the 'samba share' bit, the answer is "exactly the same as before it was deleted, only since the uid no longer exists, no name is shown". i'm not intimately familiar with samba, but i'd expect something similar.
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13:09<kakoytou>could someone tell me how can I see cyrillic letter on xubuntu
13:09<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
13:09<Flurry>SynrG: then tell me what happens on the unix file system
13:09<Bushmills>maybe #ubuntu can
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13:10<SynrG>Flurry: normally on a unix filesystem when you 'ls' you see names. for any uid or gid that is not associated with a name in /etc/passwd and /etc/group respectively, numbers are shown instead.
13:10<Bushmills>Flurry: ownership is given as user ids. when a user is deleted, the name is gone, but the id - which is a number - remains unchanged
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13:11<SynrG>er, when you 'ls -l', obviously :0
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13:17<Flurry>SynrG, Bushmills: I am using virtual users on an LDAP server created by a CMS, when the user is deleted, the CMS gives the same uid to the next one being created and so ownership of all files is passed to the new user. Can I scan and change ownership of all files giving it to nobody?
13:17<Flurry>And how can I do it?
13:18<Bushmills>Flurry: find knows a -nouser option
13:18<Bushmills>it also has an -exec option to perform actions on the found files
13:19<SynrG>where i work, to avoid this problem we don't delete users. we just rename them when staff departs.
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13:19<Flurry>will read man file for find! Thanks guys!
13:19<SynrG>(it's sometimes useful to know who *used to* own a file)
13:20<Bushmills>means you have stale files of users long gone?
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13:21<Bushmills>hope you're not going to have a lot of fluctuation :)
13:21<SynrG>not much, nope
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13:22<SynrG>if i sat down and had a good long think, i could probably rattle off 80% of the staff in my dept. over the past 26 years :)
13:23<SynrG>maybe 90 if i really applied myself
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13:37<van>Anyone know if you already have some application that will replace the Remastersys in Ubuntu 11.10?
13:38<towo`>here is #debian, not #ubuntu
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13:42<sney>!ubuntuirc van
13:42<dpkg>van: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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13:44<SynrG>van: but you might consider live-build using 'lb config --bootstrap copy' for this sort of thing. that being said, ubuntu support for live-build is on a "best effort" basis and therefore may or may not work for you
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13:56<gregory_>hi there
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14:27<tomlabirt_>is there anybody here, that i can ask about my problem?
14:28<babilen>tomlabirt_: Sure, just ask
14:28<tomlabirt_>thank you. First of all i'm hungarian and sorrí for my english
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14:29<tomlabirt_>can i ask here in this main chat or private?
14:29<boba>In this channel
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14:30<dpkg>methinks hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
14:30<babilen>tomlabirt_: You might also be interested in the channel on, but it is quite small. Your English is not a problem at all (so far)
14:30<Bushmills>"is 'is asking a meta question?' a meta question?" a meta question?
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14:31<babilen>tomlabirt_: So, what can we help you with?
14:31<tomlabirt_>babilen :thank you, but it is not problem when i practise the language
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14:32<tomlabirt_>it is a long story
14:32<tomlabirt_>i wanna make an own jukebox machine
14:33<dpkg>Music Player Daemon (mpd) is a server allowing remote access for audio file/stream playback and playlist management. Debian's mpd package has bind_to_address set to by default, see /usr/share/doc/mpd/README.Debian. Squeeze's mpd does not use <dmix> by default (Debian bug #568588). #mpd on See also <xmms2>.
14:33<tomlabirt_>one of my friend has a real one, wich has a debian 2.2 op and the jukebox program
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14:33<tomlabirt_>i want to port this software to my computer
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14:34<Bushmills>server/client. ideal for building your own user interface
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14:34<tomlabirt_>but this computer is an old IBM Net Vista Kiosk 4835
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14:36<tomlabirt_>i made a sector-sector copy from the jukebox's hdd with "dd" and copied to another hdd
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14:37<tomlabirt_>i put the hdd into the kiosk but it didnt worked
14:38<tomlabirt_>just wrote: "Uncompressing Linux... OK Booting the kernel"
14:38<tomlabirt_>and reboot
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14:38<Bushmills>wrong kernel architecture?
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14:41<tomlabirt_>i dont know a lot of things about linux
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14:42<Bushmills>well, it's easier to diagnose problems if it was actually starting
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14:43<Qualia>hey guys whats the biggest server for linux community ?
14:43<Qualia>and network security ?
14:43<Bushmills>you could try to change access mode of your hard disk to LBA or alternatives, in the BIOS
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14:43<OpenTokix>Qualia: The question don't make any sense.
14:44<Bushmills>Qualia: big in terms of disk space? RAM?
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14:44<Qualia>i said im looking for a server that has the most linux users
14:44<Bushmills>that may be google
14:44<Qualia>the most populated
14:44<tomlabirt_>thank you Bushmills, brb 10min
14:44<Qualia>google isnt that smart
14:45<Qualia>cmon tell me guise ^^
14:45<Bushmills>that's not what you asked
14:45<Qualia>i wanna be a h4xx0r
14:45<Bushmills>good luck
14:45<Qualia>stop ctcp ing me
14:45<dpkg>BackTrack is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #backtrack-linux on
14:46<sney>just making sure before I triggered it.
14:46<Qualia>oh no
14:46<Qualia>u gonna delete mah system ?
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14:46<jla>I'm getting weird dig and host results with a domain if I follow a specific order of queries. It happens with bind9 on Debian 5.0 and 6.0. I don't know if it's my setup, their setup, or bind9. I haven't tried other caching servers. Anyone have a moment to try the queries?
14:47<sney>Qualia: no, but someone else might silence or ban you if you keep yakking about wanting to be a hacker. This is the support channel for the Debian GNU/Linux operating system, which you are not using. Please go away.
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14:47<Qualia>i was joking
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14:47<Qualia>arent the other people here liberals
14:47<Qualia>well the robots can do the same thing, they stay in bounds. sometimes we gotta use our free will
14:48<Qualia>let me talk more
14:48<Qualia>write more
14:48<Qualia>ask more
14:48<sney>go ahead, just don't do it here
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14:49<Bushmills>jla: all three nameservers seem to give correct results
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14:50<Qualia>well atleast you could say it in a more gentle or subtle way without any authoritarian attitude. you have no power on people
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14:50<Bushmills>just wondering why dns1.... isn't listed under authority section
14:50<Qualia>i mean u can kick me but eventually someone like me will come
14:50<Qualia>and then say:
14:50<jla>Bushmills: thanks. do you see the strange thing that happens on my end, where the www query worked, then after doing dname on domain name, www goes spazzy?
14:50<Qualia>CMON GUISE I W4NN4 BE A H4XX0R
14:51<sney>Qualia, this channel has rules. I'm sorry if that offends you.
14:51<jla>yes, I agree the lack of dns1 in authority seems to be an oversight.
14:51<Qualia>ok well anyway, have a nice day
14:51<Qualia>peace and love! bye
14:51<sney>Please just leave on your own. there are hundreds of thousands of other irc channels
14:51<sney>ok bye
14:51<Bushmills>jla: it appears that your local recursor or forwarder has some broken record cached
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14:51<cahoot>Qualia, don't imagine you're kind isn't quite common here - you're hardly original
14:52<sney>I hope I wasn't that much of a pissant when I was a teenager. sheesh
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14:52<ml|>jla: I see the same as Bushmills
14:53<jla>Bushmills the two nameservers I've tried don't have forwarding set, just bind9 doing it's own recursion. One on Debian 5.0, the other on 6.0. I restart bind, query ok, query dname, query again and get the messed up cname stuff.
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14:53<jla>ml| ty for looking too
14:53<jla>it doesn't mess up until I query dname for
14:54<Bushmills>must be stale. returns A records, not CNAME records, on all three servers
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14:54<Bushmills>which is good. CNAME are evil
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14:55<jla>I agree. Any suggestions on how to troubleshoot this further? Have you tried the dname query? dig dname ?
14:55<jla>then do dig again
14:55<Bushmills>wait another 8 hours, then try again
14:55<jla>it's been happening for days :(
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14:56<jla>I cant figure where stale would be from, bind9 should be talking directly to the NS
14:56<Bushmills>the stale cname record should expire in 8 hours
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14:56<ml|>jla: I did the dig dname first and then the others and all looks fine here
14:56<jla>or as soon as I stop bind
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14:56<jla>ml| ty
14:57<Bushmills>split horizon setup, maybe?
14:57<jla>I'll look at it closer, seems like it must be me. tyvm :)
14:58<jla>one more question, are you both using bind9 as the resolving nameserver?
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15:00<Bushmills>when i'm mobile, i resolve by a remote bind9 through a vpn
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15:00<Bushmills>otherwise i run unbound locally
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15:01<bim_ir_>guys, since I can't now play thru pulseaudio and with VLC... please tell me how to play VIDEO_TS directory (stored on hard disk) via mplayer?
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15:03<anbe>jla, I get the same output as you pasted (with weird www entries at the end), but I don't know what software is running on the nameservers I use (local caching ones). Clients were Debian squeeze and sid. I get clean www output from @
15:03<ml|>unbound locally as well
15:03<Bushmills>bim_ir_: mplayer dvd://1 or ://2 or such
15:04<Bushmills>there's an option to tell mplayer that dvd is on disk, i forgot what its name was
15:06<Bushmills>you should also be able to play the contents in the VIDEO_TS directory directly. by specifying file name. pick the largest one, that's the movie
15:08<bim_ir_>Bushmills: nice, but I need menus to choose subtitles track
15:08<ml|>bim_ir_: you could just use smplayer
15:08<Bushmills>those can be specified from command line of mplayer too
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15:09<Bushmills>that's possible even interactively. j? f? g? something like that
15:09<Bushmills>no, not f
15:10<bim_ir_>I'm on #mplayer on freenode
15:10<Bushmills>they're more authoritative
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15:20<rr>what is this
15:20<rr>where am i
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15:21<sney>hi, you're in IRC, this is a support channel for Debian users
15:21<Black_Prince>You are in middle of nowhere ...
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15:31<sbyrne>Last week I did dist-upgrade on testing which upgraded xorg among other things (but not iceweasel). Since then iceweasel pegs /usr/bin/X on some sites. Firefox from does the same, but not any other programs. nvidia binary driver. Is anybody else having this problem?
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15:33<sbyrne>Sorry, I guess I should be in #debian-next.
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15:34<ml|>sbyrne: yes #debian-next
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15:41<jla>anbe: thank you. I wonder why we get different results than Bushmills and ml|. On your digs, does it say: SERVER:
15:42<jla>anbe: I get proper results from the google public dns as well, but on this server I can't use that all the time. It does blacklist queries and some of those guys dislike the pounding from google's
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15:43<ml|>jla: yes, since It is run locally
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15:45<jla>ml| is bind9 your local resolver/caching name server or do you use something else?
15:46<ml|>jla: and google's dns also returns fine; unbound like I said above ;)
15:46<ml|>dig @
15:47<jla>ml| sorry I didn't recognize that as a response to my question because I was unfamiliar with the unbound dns srever
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15:48<anbe>jla, I used three different nameservers that are available here and caching (and are not under my control), they probably have the same "upstream" where they forward queries to, I don't know the setup not the software. looking at the timeouts I get around 28000 for the buggy www entries, but 60 when I query google or your authoritative ns, so its probably a caching issue that will take some time to clear - let me recheck tomorrow
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15:50<jla>anbe: my bind9 instances are set to self-resolve, so unless something is redirecting packets there shouldn't be any caching at my end, except on these caching bind9 instances. The problem goes away when I stop/start the server, and doesn't appear until I do the DNAME query.
15:50<anbe>only my laptop has pdnsd as local caching server and queries root servers directly, it shows no garbage, but also no DNAME result
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15:50<jla>I'm trying to figure out if it's a wierd dns setup that is triggering buggy handling in bind9 or a local config issue
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15:54<anbe>jla, you could try to run your local caching server in strace (and log the full network traffic) or capture the traffic on port 53 with wireshark to see whether you receive "the www garbage" from somewhere or whether you "generate" it
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15:54<jla>anbe good ideas. I've just started running named -g -d <increasing level numbers>
15:54<jla>on a devel server
15:54<jla>I'll do tshark too
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15:57<anbe>sbyrne, nvidia-glx + xserver-xorg-core 1.11.x is currently a no-go, see
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16:01<towo`>no-go is not true
16:01<towo`>all fermi cards have no problems
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16:04<jla>anbe wireshark shows no traffic on the dig for after the dname for My guess is that bind 9 is synthesizing the CNAME records and failing badly.
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16:04<anbe>towo`, thanks for the correction, so far I only had about 15 duplicate bug reports about this combination not working :-)
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16:05<towo`>anbe, the high server load is only on cards, which have no accelerate trapazoids in hardware, that are nearly all pre fermi cards
16:06<towo`>also the gtx 2xx cards does not have this problem
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16:08<jla>strace doesn't seem to provide any additional information
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16:16<jla>digs with wireshark capture info:
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16:26<Bushmills>jia, i queried the authoritative nameserver directly
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16:27<jla>Bushmills: thanks. It works when I do that or use google's or probably opendns. I think this is something going weird when bind9 caches the DNAME response. I'm not sure the way they have it is kosher, I'm reading my DNS and BIND book right now :)
16:28<jla>sounds like one answer would be to use unbound or something but I'd like to sort out if this is a bind bug or not first. I think it is
16:28<Bushmills>i think the answer is to not use DNAME or CNAME or friends
16:28<jla>Could you query through a bind9 instance and verify you see what anbe sees?
16:29<Bushmills>i did that too, not showing the problem.
16:29<jla>odd, I wonder why you don't and we do
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16:29<jla>you have to do the DNAME query then the A query to see the problem.
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16:31<jla>Bushmills: I don't disagree with not using DNAME, but it's not my zone. It's just one my servers query regularly
16:31<Bushmills>oh. blame my inconsequent querying. DNAME then A shows it ...
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16:32<Dhnz1>Is there a softraid pro on here?
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16:34<jla>well if I go to about this, they will say "opendns works, so it's your software", even if their DNAME is dumb. I suspect if I complain to ISC, they will say DNAME is used wrong. ;) I'm trying to verify they are using it poorly.
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16:34<splic>Hello, apache2 is having problems accessing my PYTHONPATH, I've tried adding entires to /etc/profile, ~root/.bashrc and /etc/bash.rc, where can I declare it so it's available to daemons?
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16:34<ubukou>hey all, anyone having issues with network connection being lost and having to restart computer to get it back..?(this is an eth. conn.)
16:35<Mr-R>splic: try /etc/init.d/apache2
16:35<papabaer>ubukou: if this is e1000e based, try unloading/reloading driver.
16:36<Dhnz1>Im having trouble starting a soft raid 5. it says it cant assemble because there are not enough devices.
16:36<papabaer>on my system the network card has sometimes a wrong mac
16:36<Bushmills>indeed. querying DNAME, then the record through bind does. through unbound it still doesn't
16:36<ubukou>i dont htink its a driver issue...
16:36<Bushmills>through forwarding dnsmasq to bind does too
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16:36<ubukou>papabaer: it happens in windows as well...
16:37<papabaer>ubukou: hm, then i have to pass
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16:37<ubukou>papabaer: thing is i noticed that it occures when tranfering data...
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16:37<jla>I think bind is messing up synthesizing the CNAME records for the DNAME. The docs say it will/should synthesize them automatically, but it's doing a bad job of it.
16:37<papabaer>ubukou: maybe router issue?
16:37<papabaer>or switch?
16:37<anbe>jla, I just tried with a local bind9 instance and can confirm that bind9 makes up the buggy www entries after the dname query
16:38<ubukou>papabaer: lets say between server and client or server and media player..
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16:38<ubukou>papabaer, i think it might be.. as it occures in both my pcs hooked up to the router... thing is i have to be sure.. cause i cant buy a router and test...
16:39<jla>anbe, Bushmills: thanks for verifying/reproducing guys. A little more reading in this book and I'll open a bug report.
16:39<ubukou>papabaer, any suggestions ? windows troubleshooter says it has something to do with default gateway..
16:40<papabaer>ubukou: well, I am not good in reading my glass bowle :-D
16:40<ubukou>papabaer, ahahahaha
16:40<ubukou>papabaer default gateway not being available maybe?
16:40<papabaer>ubukou: If your problem is on several systems, i would bet that it is an router/switch issue
16:41<ubukou>papabaer, cound it be ISP ?
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16:41<papabaer>when u send data between to system in the same subnet, the default gateway is not used :-D
16:41<ubukou>papabaer, my ISP is really A "FU**ER"
16:42<papabaer>ubukou: your problem is on ur local net, isn't it?
16:42<ubukou>papabaer, i loose connection entirely..
16:42<ubukou>papabaer, router still online tho...
16:43<ubukou>papabaer, i cant access router tho from the computer that fails
16:43<papabaer>ubukou: as a first step try to update router firmware
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16:43<ubukou>papabaer, thats a solid idea...
16:43<ubukou>papabaer, why havent i done that
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16:44<daemonkeeper>Anyone got Plymouth working? For me, it works fine at first but stops graphical output and prompts for key input after "waiting for /dev to be fully populated". Sounds familiar?
16:44<ubukou>papabaer, while were at it could it be DNS issue?
16:44<sney>daemonkeeper: yep, there's a bug filed
16:44<sney>daemonkeeper: iirc, none of the maintainers could reproduce the issue
16:45<papabaer>ubukou: and just for the case, try connecting two systems directly a cross-over-cable, set them to stable ips and check if the network problems are persistant
16:45<ubukou>papabaer, not obtaining IP or something ? or the DNS ip changes only on restart of the router?
16:45<ubukou>papabaer, cross-over-cable??
16:45<papabaer>ubukou: what router manufacture and type
16:45<ubukou>they have static internal ips...
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16:46<daemonkeeper>#606132, I see
16:46<ubukou>papabaer, they have static internal ips
16:46<papabaer>ubukou: special network cable for connecting to systems directly ( without the need of switch/router )
16:46<f0x>helllo one question for 2820 qm which arch should i use ia64 or amd64
16:46<sney>daemonkeeper: was your system upgraded from lenny? that seems to be a common thread
16:47<sney>f0x: ia64 is for the intel Itanium cpu only. you want amd64 most likely
16:47<papabaer>ubukou: or buy/lent a switch ( not that expensive ) and try networking without our router
16:47<f0x>thank you
16:47<papabaer>ubukou: german isp?
16:47<ubukou>papabaer, i ll have some tests and get back to you
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16:47<sney>f0x: no problem
16:48<daemonkeeper>sney: Oh, I see you're there in the bug :>
16:48<f0x>one more question for intel wifi 6200 wireless card wich module should i use to load during install for net install and where can i find it
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16:48<ubukou>papabaer, thanks for the ideas ! help i mean :)
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16:48<ubukou>papabaer, apriciate it
16:48<papabaer>your welcome
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16:48<sney>daemonkeeper: indeed, though that system has since developed enough hardware problems to make it worthless in a bug-hunting expedition
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16:50<Dhnz1>how do i recover superblocks? I think thats what has happened
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17:08<daemonkeeper>sney: Solved it.
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17:13<sney>daemonkeeper: oh?
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17:15<papabaer>I am having hardrive spindown problems with my Samsung N220. The harddrive is spinning down all the time after 5 seconds, which makes the systems realy slow. I have tried to use hdparm to increase spindown time. Did not work. Also I have tried to modify laptop-mode settings but did not work either. Any ideas where to look further? The kernel is 3.1.0-rc7
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17:17<daemonkeeper>sney: apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confnew" -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confdef" -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install --reinstall sysvinit sysvinit-utils --- this solved the problem. Don't ask me why though, as I can't see any conffile in either package
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17:22<infinity0>where do i report bugs about lintian tags to?
17:23<devil>infinity0: in the bts, like other bugs
17:23<infinity0> this tag is incorrectly applied, it doesn't recognised a "licenseX" paragraph when a "licenseX+" is specified in a copyright clause
17:23<infinity0>devil: which package though?
17:23<daemonkeeper>Against the lintian package
17:24<devil>infinity0: lintian
17:24<infinity0>don't various tags come from other packages as well?
17:24<daemonkeeper>They do all come from Lintian
17:24<infinity0>oh ok
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17:27<papabaer>papabaer: Found my problem: laptop-mode.conf set hdparm -B 1. Changed to 254 ( the default for AC ) and now the disk does not spin down all the time.
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18:06<bim_ir>$ su -c 'mount -o loop "/home/bim/Downloads/Rozen Maiden Ouverture/Rozen Maiden Ouverture - OVA (Fansubbed) - Hommit.iso"'
18:06<bim_ir>mount: can't find /home/bim/Downloads/Rozen Maiden Ouverture/Rozen Maiden Ouverture - OVA (Fansubbed) - Hommit.iso in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
18:07<bim_ir>what's wrong *now*?
18:07<bim_ir>how to mount this .iso?
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18:07<themill>bim_ir: how is is supposed to know where to mount it?
18:08<themill>!mount iso
18:08<dpkg>methinks iso mount is mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point>
18:08<bim_ir>themill: ah, so I need to append destination?
18:08<bim_ir>oh, sorry
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18:09<themill>"mount $what $where", unless it's in fstab, in which case mount can work out one of them for itself
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18:10<bim_ir>themill: yes, I just made some magic "mount" in my world, which 'll do mount on some temporary location
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19:00<Tod4Dd>How does one mount a vob file? I know that vob is a container, but I want to see what it contains (mp3, mp4, etc).
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19:03<nevyn>it's not a filesystem it's a media container.
19:03<nevyn>you can't mount it.
19:03<nevyn>you can examine it thoi
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19:05<Tod4Dd>By examine, do you mean, play it in a media player? If I load it in avidemux, it says it has 2 first join 7 files.
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19:08<Tod4Dd>nevyn: Ok, I got it, not a FS. I was just curious what avidemux was joining. Thanks
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19:40<barxool>stephen: you need help ?
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19:49<onryo>Been using Debian testing with just the main repo for years. Best GNU/Linux flavor there is imho. Been on this P4 since ... years and its time to buy a new computer. I am looking at a Sandy Bridge 2600 (not k since I need vt-d vt-x and aes-ni). I want to use the GPU that is in Sandy Bridge. Does Debian support this?
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19:51<babilen>onryo: It does, but you need a newer kernel and Xorg -- You can get both from backports though. (/msg dpkg backports)
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19:52<onryo>babilen, since I am using testing aka wheezy now I guess that would be 3.0.0-1
19:53<babilen>onryo: If you are using wheezy already you have everyhting you need in place. Just make sure that you don't buy one with Optimus. Or if you have to: Make sure that it has a hardware mux.
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19:55<onryo>babilen, Optimus ?
19:56<babilen>onryo: Yes, nvidia optimus.
19:57<babilen>onryo: Pure intel is fine
19:57<onryo>babilen, you can be darn sure I don't buy stuff *cough*Nvidia, Radeon*cough
19:57<onryo>that is not pure FOSS
19:58<onryo>babilen, in its support
20:00<onryo>babilen, well then, looks like I can upgrade my system. So using only main repos with wheezy works fine?
20:00<babilen>You might need firmware - in particular for iwlwifi.
20:02<onryo>babilen, my Alfa AWUS036H as served me well for years of happy hacking and no BS drivers.
20:03<babilen>onryo: Well, you know your hardware and its drivers. Binary firmware is the most common reason that requires you to install non-free software. (pity really)
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20:03<onryo>babilen, little worried about the z68 chipset.
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20:03<jevin>ugh, is there any way to use sid without gnome-shell at this point?
20:03<onryo>babilen, thx for the feedback.
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20:04<babilen>jevin: sid includes gnome-shell so you will not be able to find a sid repo without it. If you don't want to use it you can: 1. Use gnome-session-fallback or 2. Use a different WM/DE -- I would recommend to get used to Gnome3 though if you plan to use gnome.
20:05<jevin>is gnome-session-fallback the same (imho poor) "gnome2" approximation that oneiric has?
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20:05<babilen>jevin: I have no idea what oneiric has or does
20:06<onryo>jevin, why not bring your repos from stable -> testing then pin your Gnome stuff. -> sid
20:06<jevin>babilen, thanks for the info
20:07<babilen>onryo: wheezy will release with gnome3 and pinning wheezy to an arbitrary mix of gnome packages is *not* a good idea
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20:07<onryo>oneiric is the lamest thing since the Maradona Song
20:07<jevin>onryo, because that is more complicated than i'd care to do. i wish there was some way that gnome2 and gnome3 could be packaged in the same distro so people like myself dont have to whine that they like one over the other :)
20:07<babilen>jevin: It might be the same as in oneiric as it is just an easy-to-use gnome2 fallback from upstream ...
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20:08<onryo>jevin, been talking to some of the devs over at Gnome. I would like to see a fork
20:08<babilen>jevin: +
20:09<jevin>babilen, yeah gnome-session-fallback is gnome3 with applications and places menus. doesnt have applets in the panel or anything =\
20:10<onryo>jevin, Gnome 3 is sad. The Gnome devs got duped by Ubuntu thinking Gnome would glow in the glory of that pile of crap called Ubuntu.
20:12<jevin>i used ubuntu for the more timely releases without all the churn in sid. now i switched to sid to avoid gnome3/unity. that lasted just one day haha
20:12<jevin>guess i'll try xfce or something
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20:15<onryo>jevin, Linux T. got so pissed off with BS going on with windows managers that he did just what you bring up. Debian (GNU/Linux) with xfce
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20:16<babilen>onryo, jevin: May I suggest to take this discussion to #debian-offtopic?
20:16<jevin>babilen, i will in the future :) i just switched to xfce so im good for now
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20:17<onryo>babilen, ok more to the point then. Is there a wiki with hardware that is compatible with GNU/Linux
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20:27<onryo>babilen, was just told that Bumblebee is a open source replacement for Optimus Technology. Friend on ArchLinux said it works darn well. Not like I am going to buy Nvidia but all the same.
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20:32<babilen>onryo: It is an ugly hack fwiw
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20:34<onryo>babilen, looking at the code now and must say I agree.
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20:40<babilen>onryo: It is not necessarily the code (which brought us the best bug this year btw), but rather a conceptual problem in that Xorg would require serious changes to support optimus. You might enjoy in the meanwhile </offtopic>
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20:47<Fwiss>Oh no. My .xesession-errors file is 42.5 GB?
20:47<Fwiss>What do?
20:47<Fwiss>is it safe to delete?
20:48<babilen>sure, but it would be a good idea to investigate what fills it
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20:48<Fwiss>File is 2 big
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20:49<Fwiss>again, 42.5 Gb...
20:49<scinl>Fwiss: Have you opened it?
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20:51<babilen>Fwiss: You can use head, tail, less, .. to peek into it.
20:52<jeremy-77>I would like to know what version of debian to get that I can put on a thumbdrive to install on a pc . I want gnome 2 and curently have ubuntu installed. this is not a netbook but my asus board only had one ide and rest is sata so I have no cd roms so has to be installed via usb drive unless there is a way I dont know of other than usb?
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20:53<babilen>!usb install
20:53<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
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20:54<babilen>jeremy-77: Why do you want to know about a way *other* than USB? You could do a net-install (PXE boot), but I doubt that it is easier than using an USB stick.
20:54<jeremy-77>babilen, if usb is easier for me than that is the way I wish to go
20:56<babilen>jeremy-77: In that case read the installation guide (and in particular the section dpkg linked above)
20:56<babilen>!tell jeremy-77 -about installer firmware
20:56<jeremy-77>babilen, thanks
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20:56<babilen>Have fun
20:57<jeremy-77>babilen, its a new system but I just dont have any sada drives yet so cant plug in my cd/dvd roms
20:57<babilen>sure, no problem
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20:59<jeremy-77>babilen, im stuburn and like gnome 2 and ubuntu says I will just have to get use to unity so I will fallow gnome for as long as I can i guess and everyone says debian is better
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21:01<sney>well, Debian 6 will always have gnome 2
21:01<tensorpudding>debian will move to gnome 3
21:01<tensorpudding>presumably in the next release
21:02<sney>yeah, wheezy (7.0) is planned to be gnome3
21:02<sney>*apparently* gnome3 has a fallback, 2ish mode, but I don't think it's complete yet
21:03<tensorpudding>the fallback doesn't seem to please people expecting a real gnome 2 experience
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21:03<roddie>You can always switch to XFCE anyway
21:03<sney>well, if there are enough people displeased by 3 and the fallback option, maybe they'll fork 2 and maintain it
21:04<jeremy-77>babilen, I only see windows stuff here and I currently have ubuntu 11.04
21:04<sney>jeremy-77: you can write the image to usb with cat or dd from a linux system
21:05<jeremy-77>sney, I really think there are already a lot of people disgusted with unity and gnome 3 to justify keeping gnome 2
21:05<sney>when I said "they" I meant the people who are dissatisfied
21:05<jeremy-77>sney, ok
21:05<roddie>There is a handy tool called image-usb-stick at
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21:09<babilen>jeremy-77: Yes, that is the program you would use if you were to create the stick on windows. On *nix system you can just run "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" (as root, replace /dev/sdX with respective device of the usb stick)
21:09<aussa>hi, I'm not getting hdmi output from my laptop using debian wheezy
21:10<jeremy-77>I found unetbutin on ubuntu
21:10<roddie> babilen: what does the sync at the end do?
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21:11<jeremy-77>so I guess I just need to pick the right debian distro with gnome 2
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21:12<sney>jeremy-77: if you go to and click the green download link in the upper right corner, that's the one you need
21:13<jeremy-77>sney, thanks
21:13<babilen>jeremy-77: unetbootin does *not* work
21:13<jeremy-77>babilen, it dose not work ?
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21:13<jimpop>hi everyone. what is a good debian (stable) pkg that can email a report if a URL changes?
21:13<babilen>roddie: It flushes the fs buffers (so all data is really written and does not linger in one of the buffers)
21:14<babilen>jeremy-77: That's what I said
21:14<sney>jeremy-77: unetbootin is an ubuntu-specific tool that is not designed to work with debian images. just use the 'cat' command babilen suggested.
21:15<jeremy-77>ok but it has an option in it for debian
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21:15<babilen>jeremy-77: And take a look at the installation guide -- I can not really imagine an easier command than "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" but you might disagree. ;)
21:15<jeremy-77>it has many different linux distros in it
21:15<babilen>jeremy-77: It does *not* work.
21:16<jeremy-77>ill try yours lol
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21:22<aussa_>hi, I'm not getting hdmi output from my laptop using debian wheezy
21:23<aussa_>hi, I'm not getting hdmi output from my laptop using debian wheezy, is there something that I have to do to make it work?
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21:24<babilen>aussa_: We hear you. I guess that nobody is interested in debugging HDMI issues on wheezy. This might be due to the fact that HDMI might require fglrx/nvidia driver which are in an abysmal state, but I am not sure about that.
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21:25<sney>also, 'hdmi output' is vague since it serves both video and audio. and now he left, anyway
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21:32<Andy__>so, floppydrive....
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21:32<Andy__>i formatted a floppy, dossed it, mounted it.
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21:32<Andy__>but it saying i don't have access.
21:33<Andy__>i can view
21:33<Andy__>but not save files.
21:33<Andy__>idea's ?
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21:37<Andy__>hello ?
21:37<sney>Andy__: was the floppy drive mounted as root?
21:37<Andy__>pardon me
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21:37<sney>and are you trying to save files as root, or a normal user?
21:38<Andy__>i think as a normal user.
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21:39<sney>that's a permissions issue.
21:39<Andy__>indeed, always saying 'access denied'.
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21:40<Andy__>i just don't know how tofix it,
21:40<Andy__>friend got tired trying.
21:40<sney>it's been years since I did anything with a floppy drive, but basically you need to set up the drive in /etc/fstab so that it's mountable as a user account instead of just as root
21:41<sney>reading the man page / examples for fstab should point you in the right direction
21:41<Andy__>i see.
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21:42<Andy__>access denied in /etc/fstab
21:43<sney>well yes, it's a system configuration file, you do need to edit it as root
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21:43<Andy__>i am in the root.
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21:43<sney>it wasn't long ago that a user-accessible floppy configuration was a common default, so with some clever googling you should be able to find a working example
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21:44<sney> /etc/fstab is a text document, you need to open it with a text editor, as the root user.
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21:45<Andy__>wil try that.
21:45<Andy__>ty Sney.
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21:46<Tod4Dd>Q: Is there a difference between Synaptic and Aptitude besides GUI and CLI to apt? Can you mix using Synaptic and Aptitude?
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21:48<sney>Tod4Dd: you can mix using them, but be warned that if you have any special settings in apt.conf, synaptic may ignore them, and you'll need to set them again in its options menu
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21:50<Tod4Dd>sney: Thanks - looking at my apt.conf now.
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21:51<sney>apt.conf is nonexistent by default and would only exist if you or another system administrator created it in order to do something special, such as pinning or release mixing
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22:02<Tod4Dd>sney: OK, that explains why I haven't found it. Just to clarify it for me -- If I ever pin, I have to create the rules in apt.conf. Therefore, Synaptic doesn't understand/do pinning?
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22:02<sney>I'm not sure exactly which directives it ignores/doesn't ignore, except I'm sure it ignores Default-Release
22:02<sney>if you ever do pinning, I'd advise you to skip synaptic altogether
22:03<Andy__>found my problem, i thought a second bout what u was saying sney
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22:03<Andy__>i unmounted in root,
22:03<Andy__>and just tryed mounting in a normal user terminal
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22:04<Andy__>and kinda forgot that is essential to be able to acces the fstab files
22:04<Andy__>other words, fixed it.
22:04<Tod4Dd>sney: Will take your advice, since I will do pinning. Thanks for the input.
22:04<sney>!congratulate Andy__
22:04<dpkg>Good show Andy__, you did it!
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22:50<Karim>what the
22:51<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
22:52<Karim>I guess I'll have ta leave.
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22:53<Karim>Right after I fix the keyboard.
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23:06<mdik>hi. anybody using alpine round here?
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23:17<MrFrood>mdik: I'm no expert but I do use alpine
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23:18<vrkalak>night, peeps
23:18<mdik>MrFrood: it drives me nuts when a failing connection attempt blocks the whole interface. do you know how to manage?
23:19<mdik>sleep well vrkalak
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23:19<MrFrood>not an issue I've had
23:21<mdik>MrFrood: because the connection attempts never failed or because the didnt block the interface?
23:21<MrFrood>mdik: there are a lot of pine help pages out there and they still mostly apply to alpine
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23:21<MrFrood>mdik: I think the later
23:22<mdik>MrFrood: i know. but i found nothing on this topic (so far).
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23:22<MrFrood>I findd it hard to believe that I've not hadd a connection fail in 15 years
23:22<Andy__>adios helpers, and thanks for partialy getting me on the way
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23:22<mdik>do you mind, pastebinning the nonpersonal parts of your .pinerc, MrFrood?
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23:23<MrFrood>let me have a look an see if there is anything reverlant... (this may take a few minutes)
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23:25<mdik>MrFrood: something like cat .pinerc|grep -e connection -e block -e etc ?
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23:29<mdik>MrFrood: it could be something like the rsh, ssh things, too, couldnt it (i have no idea, but could it)?
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23:31<MrFrood>mdik: could not see anything
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23:32<mdik>but thanks
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23:41<MrFrood>mdik: you poping or imaping?
23:41<MrFrood>ah, I only imap
23:41<mdik>but i think it's the imap server
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23:42<mdik>when i idle for too long it wont recognize me anymore
23:43<mdik>i played with stay-open, but it doesnt seem to make a difference
23:44<MrFrood>mdik: would rsh-open-timeout be what you are looking for?
23:45<mdik>MrFrood: it says default is 15 seconds, but i have to wait much longer. and there is no way of interrupting the attemp
23:48<mdik>"vertical-folder-list," that one is important (:
23:48<MrFrood>ah, it was just an idea
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23:51<mdik>MrFrood: do you access your imap-accounts by putting them into the incoming-folders or using them as folder-collections?
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23:59<mdik>na. not it. but thanks. i still learned a lot (and may take your color settings if i feel fancy (;)
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