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00:04<engine64>hi all, when I start my linux installation from DVD it ask for the CD, how to tell the install that I'm using the DVD and not CD?
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00:10<RainbowW>you don't. you just hit enter.
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00:11<engine64>it says CD cannot be found, but it is the DVD installer
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01:24<xChatGnome>the panflute applet is not showing xmms2 in the player list. is there anything i have to do to show xmms2 in panflute? xmms2 is working nicely though.
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01:32<xChatGnome>got it. one more package is needed to make it work. python-xmmsclient
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02:13<aruniiird>unable to find 'ar' command in my wheezy amd64 bit installation
02:14<jm_>how did you search for it?
02:14<aruniiird>tried to run the command 'ar'
02:14<aruniiird>it said command not found
02:14<jm_>!search
02:14<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags>.
02:14<jm_>the apt-file one is relevant for you
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02:22<aruniiird>thanks for the help:) debian new-bee ... Didn't know that commands like 'apt-cache search' were there..
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02:25<jm_>no worries - perhaps you should read some docs to make your life with Debian easier
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02:28<aruniiird>sure jm_ ... Will do that!
02:28<jm_>!tell aruniiird -about grounding
02:29<entropy101>please use man grounding
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02:38<aussa>hi, my laptop's cd unit is not working, does not detect the discs, checked fstab, and the mount line is there, any suggestion to solve this?
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02:44<jm_>does it work if you mount it manually?
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02:45<phpkunst>i have a question about this ticket http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=645874
02:46<aussa>jm_, mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0; mount: no medium found on /dev/sr0
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02:47<phpkunst>There is not yet a reply on this ticket and i am wondering if someone has a solution??
02:47<jm_>aussa: so it probably has troubles reading your media
02:48<tensorpudding>you should have included a test case that failed for your apache+php
02:48<jm_>aussa: this is often seen with other errors, i.e. check the dmesg output
02:48<jm_>phpkunst: did you submit this?
02:48<tensorpudding>also it'd be helpful to check the php bugtracker too
02:49<jm_>I was just going to say that it was submitted against the wrong package
02:49<phpkunst>yes i did but no response at the moment
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02:50<jm_>I recommend you to change the package this applies to
02:50<tensorpudding>yeah, it really seems improbable that your issue is with apache and not php
02:51<phpkunst>oke but it is a apache problem right?? In what packages do you suggest to post it
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02:52<jm_>well the php package you have installed
02:53<aussa>jm_, so I insert the CD and then check for the dmesg output?
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02:54<phpkunst>jm_ : but i have only update the apache version and then the problem occured
02:54<jm_>aussa: wait, you tried to mount it without a disc in the drive?
02:55<jm_>phpkunst: upgraded from which version?
02:56<jm_>aussa: also note that some discs should not be mounted, i.e. audio
02:56<phpkunst>jm_: i think apache 2.2.3
02:56<aussa>jm_, of course is in it, I'm just wondering when the errors should appear in dmesg, when I insert it, or when I try to mount it?
02:56<jm_>aussa: when you try to mount it
02:57<phpkunst>jm_: now php -v = PHP 5.3.3-7+squeeze3 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Jun 28 2011 13:13:26)
02:57<phpkunst>Copyright (c) 1997-2009 The PHP Group
02:57<phpkunst>Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2010 Zend Technologies
02:57<jm_>phpkunst: well 2.2.3 was in etch, 2.2.16 is in squeeze/lenny backports so surely this was a dist upgrade which means PHP was upgraded too
02:58<phpkunst>jm_:oke thx how can i fix the problem do have a suggest??
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02:59<phpkunst>jm_ : apache2 -v =apache2 -v
02:59<phpkunst>Server version: Apache/2.2.16 (Debian)
02:59<phpkunst>Server built: Sep 25 2011 22:18:56
03:00<jm_>phpkunst: well if it was me I would debug the PHP code
03:01<aussa>jm_, is not audio, it just worked but I don't how... I'm testing with another CD and now it is not working.... I don't know what I did. :S hahaha
03:02<aussa>(I don't know how)*
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03:03<jm_>aussa: you can often see if the drive has problem reading a disc by listening for noises made or by looking at its status LED - if this takes longer than usual itm ight mean it's re-reading etc. (but this is expected for multi-session discs for example)
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03:03<phpkunst>jm_: I'm pretty sure its not in the PHP scripting code. Since it always worked in the past. It is a known bug for Apache 2.2.16 (source google). It is in the function getImageSize(). This function know returns 0.
03:04<jm_>phpkunst: you don't understand - the bug is in PHP (not in PHP script), not in Apache
03:04<simonlnu>if it was me i'd run php as fpm and run nginx or lighttpd instead ;p
03:05<jm_>short of apache having an issue calling a function from a module this can only be in PHP
03:06<aussa>jm_, I think the problem is that when I insert it does not read it, I mean there is not any noises or anything...
03:06<phpkunst>Jm_: But i use modules of apache that not be use with nginx or lighttpd
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03:06<jm_>aussa: that is a sign of it having a trouble reading/recognizing the disc
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03:07<phpkunst>i mean simonlu: see above
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03:10<jm_>it would be wise to test this with php CLI too
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03:13<phpkunst>jm_: thx for suggestion i will check it
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03:49<Bushmills>aruniiird: you may want to look at apt-file, or, maybe easier for fledgling debian users, the package command-not-found
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04:08<jorge>hi
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04:10<jorge>i have a box thats hangs up suddenly
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04:10<jorge>i have not coredumps nor errors at syslog
04:10<jorge>how can i trace the cause of the hangs ?
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04:13<xubuntu>hello! ci sono italiani?
04:13<OdyX>!it
04:13<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
04:14<xubuntu>grazie
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04:21<babilen>!otherchannel xubuntu #ubuntu-it irc.freenode.net
04:21<dpkg>xubuntu: The channel you are looking for is #ubuntu-it on irc.freenode.net. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu-it. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.freenode.net/#ubuntu-it
04:21<babilen>xubuntu: That is if you use Ubuntu/Xubuntu as your name seems to imply
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04:23<xubuntu>It's my name xubunt
04:23<xubuntu>and I use xubuntu
04:24<babilen>xubuntu: You want #ubuntu-it on irc.freenode.net then -- Have fun
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04:36<JOVE>what is the IRC channel for the science and math team in debian?
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04:42<babilen>JOVE: Hmm, educated guess would be #debian-science ;)
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04:46<JOVE>tanks
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04:48<Bushmills>duck and cover!
04:51<JOVE>why?
04:53<streuner__>JOVE: just ask a concret question, maybe someone knows it here :-)
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04:54<JOVE>when I am done with remove last error in my attempt to create a deb package I will need a sponsor for it. I was toled that I should try to ask in the scicens team for one
04:55<streuner>well, you need a DD
04:56<JOVE>yes, that is what I would try to find on that team
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04:57<babilen>JOVE: It is probably a good idea to write your RFS to the -science mailing list.
04:57<JOVE>tought it was the wrong channel for that question
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05:08<nebuchadnezzar>hello
05:09<nebuchadnezzar>Is there a dedicated place to speak about packaging with git?
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05:10<philwyett>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html#git-buildpackage
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05:11<nebuchadnezzar>philwyett: I read several things before coming here, even git-dpm, but my problem is that I have a master branch where both source and packaging is done and want to move to a separate source/packaging
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05:12<nebuchadnezzar>from http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/notes/debian/git.html I know how to have a clean source without debian/, but I wonder if having a debian branch without the source is good
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05:13<philwyett>nebuchadnezzar, Not sure. You may need to dig further or ask for pointers in the dev channel.
05:13<nebuchadnezzar>thanks
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05:16<rico>Hello
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05:19<mkad>Hi
05:19<mkad>What is current Java in Debian ?
05:19<mkad>I want start webstart application but after splash screen its no starting
05:19<mkad>how to debug that ?
05:21<jm_>mkad: there are several java vm implementations and versions available, depending on the version
05:22<mkad>jm_, how to debug why my application is crashing ?
05:23<jm_>mkad: I have no idea
05:24<mkad>jm_, http://www.lipidmaps.org/pathways/PathwayEditor.jnlp
05:24<mkad>jm_, This is something I want to stary
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05:29<{w}izard>hi everyone
05:30<{w}izard>anyone knows how to disable the options of editing and enter commands on grub menu?
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05:30<mkad>jm_, can you test webstart application for me?
05:30<mkad>jm_, if it works?
05:30<mkad>jm_, and report java package version
05:30<jm_>mkad: not right now - I am at work
05:31<jm_>{w}izard: you can password protect them as a workaround
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05:32<{w}izard>ok jm_
05:32<{w}izard>I will try that
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05:33<jm_>{w}izard: info grub -> security
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05:36<yoann>Hello
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05:42<aruniiird>Bushmills: Thanks Bushmills, I have found which package to install to get command 'ar'. I installed 'binutils' package, now it is working
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06:50<ratnick>hi users
06:52<ratnick>Anyone know about a bug in Debian 6 that involves the floppy drive?
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06:55<amphi>it's long since I saw a floppy drive...
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06:56<ratnick>I still have a few running, but only in Ubuntu and (choke) Windows
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07:02<ratnick>useful for sneakernetting small files like fdisk
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07:05<ratnick>It returns a [No Media Detected] error with a disk in the drive, the drive running, and the LED showing activity.
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07:07<ratnick>What's the URL for Debian bug reports?
07:07<petemc>bugs.debian.org
07:07<ratnick>thanks
07:08<jm_>ratnick: does the kernel report anything?
07:08<ratnick>No just the OS.
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07:09<jm_>I'm affraid I don't understand this answer
07:09<ratnick>isn't there a modprobe command in bash to check modules like hardware?
07:09<ratnick>let me check the logs...
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07:10<jm_>modprobe loads a module
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07:29<mkad>jm_, I get this on javaws console java.lang.ClassCastException: java.lang.Float cannot be cast to java.lang.Double
07:30<jm_>mkad: try asking in ##java
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07:32<ratnick>Didn't find anything in the logs. Reproduced the error; returned: Unable to Mount Location no media in drive
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07:43<ratnick>No reports found!
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07:49<ratnick>M no clues
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07:51<ratnick>still clueless
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07:52<ratnick>How do I find out if the system "sees" the floppy drive?
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07:54<jm_>ratnick: kernel tells you, read dmesg output
07:54<jm_>or /var/log/dmesg
07:54<ratnick>ok
07:55<jm_>it says here: [ 1.208535] FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
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07:57<konverguoju>hi all, have problem with cheese, on higher resolutions 1280 and higher video becomes defaced by werd blue and red layers, any of you had these problems?
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08:00<jm_>ratnic: try egrep 'FDC|loppy' /var/log/dmesg
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08:08<DrNoone>hi. I did a network install of debian-stable. Everything worked ok, but at the first boot I get a grub error which says "incompatible license" and it sends me to the grub-shell. It's this a known problem?
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08:08<DrNoone>I've been using linux for years and it's the first time I've seen such error
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08:11<jm_>DrNoone: when does this happen?
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08:16<ratnick>Is this it?... 2.878053] sr 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 5
08:16<ratnick>[ 2.878088] sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0
08:16<ratnick>[ 2.901794] sda1 sda2 < sda5 >
08:16<ratnick>[ 2.932965] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
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08:16<DrNoone>jm_ after the text-mode installer finished downloading and installing all the packages. When the systems tries to reboot for the first time to complete the install process
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08:19<jm_>DrNoone: yes but when exactly? do you get grub menu?
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08:21<DrNoone>jm_: no, i can't get the grub menu, it throws the error before loading anything
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08:22<jm_>DrNoone: that sounds like a BIOS or another boot loader message, where did you install grub to?
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08:42<stevecotton>DrNoone: I'd guess it really means "file corruption while loading module". Someone's added to Grub a check for the text "LICENSE=GPLv{2+,3+,3}", and that's the first check that it does. -- argh, just missed DrNoone.
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08:43<jm_>stevecotton: which version of grub is this?
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08:45<stevecotton>jm_ grub2, and in bzr history added Mon 2011-04-11 23:01:51 +0200 , revision phcoder@gmail.com-20110411210151-jj2e01viwo14lnh7
08:46<jm_>stevecotton: ok so not in stable then, no wonder I wouldn't find it
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08:46<jm_>couldn't even
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08:47<jm_>but it's weird because he said he installed debian stable
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08:55<pravin>hi
08:56<pravin>please check my message at http://paste.ubuntu.com/715095/
08:56<pravin>i need help to solve the error
08:56<pravin>is there any one online
08:57<pravin>is there any one
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08:59<pravin>hi dbhelper
08:59<devil>pravin: there is. bit for one, this is debian, not ubuntu.
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08:59<pravin>yes
09:00<pravin>i m workinhg on debian but my host is ubuntu
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09:00<pravin>please check the pastbin in above link
09:00<devil>well, i didnt even look, because of paste.ubuntu
09:01<SergeLang>Hello to everybody ....(i'm sorry for my bad english) .... i have a problem whith nfs (statd daemon) .... somebody can hep me ?
09:01<pravin>sorry
09:02<SergeLang>hey .... there is somebody ??
09:02<SergeLang>Please help me !!!
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09:03<pravin>i hope now u can check it http://paste.debian.net/138516/
09:04<pravin>r u there
09:05<stevecotton>pravin: have you done a "make oldconfig" ? (the existance of that command is the only help I can give for that)
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09:05<pravin>i tried
09:06<pravin>now i hv configured it for au1xxx processor and gcc 3.4.4 but its giving that platform.o error
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09:07<pravin>can u tell me what causing the error
09:08<Mephisto>hello
09:08<Mephisto>have a couple of questions
09:08<pravin>hi
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09:09<Mephisto>why does my sound go off if there's more than two applications accessing the device at the same time? For example, i run player and youtube, so it either switch totally to another side or just go completely silent
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09:12<amphi>perhaps you have legacy oss support enabled? is the snd_pcm_oss module loaded?
09:12<Mephisto>no idea...
09:12<Mephisto>how do i check?
09:14<amphi>lsmod | grep oss
09:14<Mephisto>ok.. hang on
09:14<Mephisto>snd_pcm_oss 32607 0
09:14<Mephisto>snd_mixer_oss 12606 1 snd_pcm_oss
09:14<Mephisto>snd_pcm 60487 3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
09:14<Mephisto>snd 46526 15 snd_hda_codec_via,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
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09:14<Mephisto>drats...
09:14<Mephisto>did you get it?
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09:14<themill>too much of it. Use a pastebin
09:15<Mephisto>erm.. pardon me my ignorance, but what's that?
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09:16<amphi>Mephisto: try removing the module (with modprobe -r snd_pcm_oss) - you will need to close anything using the oss device
09:16<amphi>!paste
09:16<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>.
09:16<koollman>Mephisto: very useful site to paste large amount of text and just reference a url on the chan: http://pastebin.com
09:16<Mephisto>thanks
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09:18<stevecotton>pravin: if you're porting drivers between kernel versions, getting it compiling is just the start. It's likely to be followed by working out why it crashes, which is much harder. So I'd suggest waiting for your vendor to give you an updated kernel version.
09:18<Mephisto>http://paste.debian.net/plain/138520
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09:21<Nik05>hello guys, is there a standard place where sources of librarys/binarys are stored?
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09:21<{w}izard>hi again :)
09:22<amphi>Nik05: source packages?
09:22<Nik05>yes
09:22<{w}izard>anyone knows if its possible to disable the options to edit and command line at grub menu?
09:23<amphi>Nik05: you need a deb-src line in your sources.list if you want to grab them with apt-get source
09:23<Nik05>ok but where are they stored?
09:23<Mephisto>so? Is there any solution to my prob?
09:23<Nik05>/usr/src and /usr/local/src?
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09:24<OpenTokix>Nik05: apt never store anything in /usr/local/* afaik
09:24<Nik05>im not really talking about apt but just debian in general
09:24<Nik05>What are standard places to save sources of binaries? :P
09:25<Nik05>/usr/local/src for locally compiled programs?
09:25<Nik05>and /usr/src for other sources?
09:26<pravin>i hv contected my vendor but thay dont hv any update thats the problem
09:27<pravin>is not possible to compile this kernel or can u tell me about the cause of error
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09:32<{w}izard>anyone can knows?
09:32<{w}izard>ups
09:33<{w}izard>anyone knows?
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09:34<Nik05>{w}izard, http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_beginner_books/unofficial_ubuntu_starter_guide/index_122.html ?
09:34<Mephisto>well, what's wrong with my sound?
09:34<{w}izard>Nik05 is this password protection
09:34<Nik05>i dont know :p
09:35<Nik05>it was first link on google :p
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09:35<{w}izard>as far as I know, the system, only boots after the user enter user and pass
09:35<{w}izard>and what I only prevent, is the user edit
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09:35<{w}izard>the grub
09:36<Nik05>maybe this ? http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Security
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09:37<{w}izard>this is the same thing
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09:49<Nik05>guys i installed kate in gnome so it installed al the KDE crap. But now i purge kate and it is only removing 7mb
09:49<Nik05>how do i remove the other 200mb?
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09:49<towo`>Nik05, aptitude autoremove?
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09:51<Nik05>and how does that work?
09:51<Nik05>aptitude does not have the command autoremove
09:52<riberto>hi you all!
09:52<towo`>Nik05, then use apt-get autoremove
09:53<Nik05>it does do anything...
09:53<riberto>last time I did that it even erased my Network manager and I was disconected by WiFi
09:54<riberto>it went erase happy
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09:55<Nik05>ho towo` it does not* do anything
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09:56<StefanoMandelli>Hello !! i have a problem whit NFS .... somebody can i help me ?
09:56<towo`>Nik05, apt-get purge $(apt-cache depends kate | awk '/Depends/{print $2}')
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09:58<Nik05>towo` i dont think i should do that... :p
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09:59<StefanoMandelli>Please .... somebody can i help me ?????????
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10:00<jww>StefanoMandelli: hi, tell us more informations.
10:00<StefanoMandelli>jww thanks !!! I have a problema whith statd daemon .... don't run at the boot. I use squeeze
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10:01<mercutio22>same sources.list file, different pcs. One shows these errors when trying to update:
10:02<mercutio22>http://pastebin.com/SMTkXt63
10:02<mercutio22>what gives?
10:02<mercutio22>same resolv.conf
10:02<StefanoMandelli>jww ... i use nfs-common for mount /home via NFS ..... if i try ... mount /home ....i see this output :
10:03<StefanoMandelli>mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking. mount.nfs: Either use '-o nolock' to keep locks local, or start statd. mount.nfs: an incorrect mount option was specified
10:03<StefanoMandelli>iww : but i installed rpcbind !
10:03<jww>umm.
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10:05<jww>when you restart nfs-common, do you have anything interesting in /var/log/syslog ?
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10:07<StefanoMandelli>unfortunaly ...... statd don't log nothing in on syslog !!!
10:07<jww>doh.
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10:07<StefanoMandelli>i try strace
10:07<StefanoMandelli>or bas -ex on /etc/init.d/nfs.common
10:07<StefanoMandelli>or bas -ex on /etc/init.d/nfs-common
10:07<StefanoMandelli>but the log are very complex to read
10:08<StefanoMandelli>bash -ex ...
10:09<StefanoMandelli>jww in syslog ... i have only 1 row ...... : Oct 13 13:52:48 nanos4 rpc.statd[1820]: Caught signal 15, un-registering and exiting
10:09<StefanoMandelli>ops ... it's too old
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10:09<StefanoMandelli>Oct 21 13:58:29 gauss rpc.statd[2201]: unable to register (statd, 1, udp).
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10:11<gsimmons>mercutio22: The non-us archive was discontinued long ago (/msg dpkg non-us), your systems shouldn't be referencing it.
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10:15<mercutio22>gsimmons: weird.. I just installed debian testing a month ago and it was added by the debian installer
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10:25<cassanova>ĄĄĄ§©®л
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10:26<josete>rr
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10:30<aureee>alguien
10:31<aureee>quiere sexo?
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10:31<XayOn>Oo
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10:31<XayOn>aureee: No creo que este sea el canal adecuado para pedir sexo. Es un canal de debian.
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10:33<enzo>cc
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10:33<aureee>chupoaaaaaaaaa
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10:34<mercurito22>ola ijos de puta
10:34<aureee>jajajaja
10:34<Guest14274> debian
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10:34<pql>HI!
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10:36<fornext>I try to setup an old /home crypted with ecryptfs, but fail so far.
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10:52<Mephisto>another questio
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10:53<Mephisto>i've installed Trinity KDE3.5, it seems to be working ok, but when it try to change resolution it brings me back to login screen. Any clues?
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10:53<Mephisto>when i&
10:53<Mephisto>*
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10:53<CookAnEgg>Hello !
10:54<karina>What is the best way for me to convert 3gp file to avi? The files is videos from my htc desire s.
10:54<themill>Mephisto: the answer when it comes to trinity is "ask them".
10:54<Mephisto>themill, haha... i see.
10:54<Mephisto>thanks
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10:55<karina>... or any other format that is widely accepted for upload on webpages.
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10:58<Bushmills>ffmpeg is supposed to know 3gp, and can therefore convert to other format.
10:58<Bushmills>never tried using it with 3gp, though. winff description has a bit to say about 3gp to avi too
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10:59<Bushmills>other than that, what the best way for you is i can't say
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11:02<Mephisto>made it!
11:03<Mephisto>now my Debian 6 squeeze looks like classic KDE... just what i wanted
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11:24<fornext>can I use an ubuntu-ppa with debian?
11:24<fornext>I relly need the samsung-tools.deb
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11:25<Kharec><troll> herr.. ubuntu-ppa is dirty for ubuntu, so for debian... </troll>
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11:25<fornext>?
11:25<Kharec>more seriously, i don't think that's a good idea.
11:26<fornext>Backlight controll does not work.
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11:28<bartm>fornext, put that deb in debian ?
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11:28<Kharec>ubuntu-ppa are for ubuntu. It may works with debian, but we can't assure it.
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11:29<lamby_>what is i915 and why do i get an error about it (and graphics turbo being disabled) when i boot squeeze ?
11:29<lamby_>what functionality (if any) am i losing?
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11:29<tensorpudding>fornext, is it a binary-only package?
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11:31<tensorpudding>it isn
11:31<tensorpudding>t
11:31<tensorpudding>there's an lp branch for it
11:31<fornext>there must be an source
11:31<tensorpudding>which means it's available as source
11:31<fornext>https://launchpad.net/samsung-tools
11:31<tensorpudding>and thus as a source package
11:31<tensorpudding>which you can port to debian
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11:32<fornext>I found this: http://blog.calcifer.com.ar/2010/07/debian-squeeze-en-samsung-n210/
11:32<fornext>but it isnt my language.
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11:32<Kharec>it's mine
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11:33<Kharec>oops, it's not mine.
11:33<tensorpudding>most likely, if you just get the source package and debuild it, assuming you have the build-deps satisfied, it'll probably work
11:33<fornext>I think I understand enough. But need the source first.
11:33<tensorpudding>well, unless it's kernel modules, then it might be tricky
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11:58<fornext>i cant fix the Dependencies for building samsung-tools.
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11:58<fornext>easy-slow-down-manager- dbus-python- pygtk- python-notify- rfkill- xbindkeys
11:59<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy way to take the audio from my TV card (bt878 device) internally and output it over my main sound card?
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12:00<klinux>hello, you speaking spanhi?
12:00<EmleyMoor>"
12:00<EmleyMoor>!es
12:00<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:09<mbr>i would like to disable my wifi by default and, enable it when im realy going to use a wifi connection would "ifconfig wlan0 down" be enough? or will a reboot enable it again?
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12:14<bartm>mbr, I expect a reboot to enable it again
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12:15<mbr>bartm: any suggestions?
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12:16<bartm>mbr, I guess you want to disable the network manager, and bring your wifi up and down manually
12:16<mbr>yes i think so too
12:17<mbr>perhaps i can just disable it in the network manager
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12:17<bartm>sounds like a good idea
12:17<mbr>sorry haven thought about it. its a pretty simple solution :)
12:17<mbr>thanks
12:18<mbr>s/haven/havent/
12:19<mbr>well i dont really like that solution come to think of it
12:19<mbr>i think the wifi adapter will be loaded before running X
12:19<mbr>loaded as in disabled
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12:20<mbr>oops disabled == enabled
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12:40<mbr>perhaps just removing the modprobe is enough.. although i quess thats a pretty ugly solution
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12:57<antonio>hi all i have an asus k50c with the webcam uside/down, i have debian squeeze, anyone can help me?
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13:08<Whitesmoking>!list
13:08<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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13:11<babilen>antonio: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=639231
13:11<babilen>antonio: Cheese has effects that let you flip the webcam, skype can apparently be helped with that preloading trick.
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13:13<antonio>only this tricks? i need to use my webcam with other programs
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13:16<babilen>antonio: You now have as much information as I do -- Please read the bug report and google yourself. It looks as if the maintainer needs additional information in order to be able to fix the problem. The last post also mentions some ways to tinker with the flip-table by setting LIBV4LCONTROL_FLAGS accordingly. That might be worth a try.
13:17<antonio>thank you babilen , i'll try it now :D
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13:32<joedeso>Hi debians, does Gnome2 still get updates and security fixes? I thought it was essentially cut off after 3 was released but someone told me otherwise
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13:33<cthuluh>well, gnome 2 is still the standard gnome version for debian squeeze, so it will still get security fixes
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13:33<cthuluh>no idea if people at gnome.org will be the ones who'll provide this fixes, but *shrug*
13:34<yron>Hi
13:34<joedeso>Do those kinds of patches come from the distro community then?
13:34<yron>I'm on DEbian 6 Testing (wheezy) and I want to upgrade my kernel
13:34<yron>After a apt-cache search linux-image, I can see some linux-headers
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13:35<flick>cthuluh: I thought security updates come from upstream?
13:35<yron>What shall I do ? Install the Linux-header or linux-image or both ? If it needs to download the both, what's the order ?
13:35<yron>thanks
13:36<towo`>yron, image is the kernel
13:36<yron>So just the Linux-image ? Not headers ?
13:36<towo`>yron, headers you only need, if you ewant to build out of tree kernelmodules
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13:36<yron>I just want the last kernel...
13:37<yron>3.x
13:37<yron>so just image ?
13:37<towo`>depends
13:37<towo`>read my words
13:37<flick>yron: you will most likely not need the headers.
13:38<yron>how to be sure ?
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13:38<flick>yron: well.. if you need them you can install them at a later date
13:38<joedeso>what does recompiling the kernel do?
13:39<yron>kk thank you
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13:39<yron>see ya soon !
13:39<sney`>if you build your own kernel you can configure it specifically for your own hardware, which may give a speed advantage in some cases
13:39<yron>OK.
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13:39<joedeso>oh cool, can just recompiling it or upgrading it (besides the obvious updates) fix things?
13:40<sney`>depends on the things
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13:40<joedeso>*shudders*
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13:40<sney`>it's a learning experience in any case, but most debian users just stick with the standard kernel
13:40<cthuluh>flick: nope. and that's a nice thing, imho
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13:40<sney`>the speed increases are usually minute if present at all
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13:41<flick>cthuluh: well there's pros and cons
13:41<joedeso>ok thx
13:42<joedeso>this is probably a dreaded question but; are there many 'good' GUI's besides gnome, xfce (or lxde, prettymuch the same), or KDE(overkill)
13:42<flick>xfce is good
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13:43<joedeso>I really want to get off Windows now because it's driving me mad with it's inefficiencies lol, debian is probably the best base system for desktop if you don't like ubuntu in moi (and probably all your's opinion)
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13:45<joedeso>has anyone experience getting steam games working on debian? I know of wine (sometimes works lol) but I was curious if trying to run the mac version would be more compatible? and if there's something like wine for mac programs
13:46<flick>steam games?
13:46<sney`>the mac version wouldn't be more compatible
13:46<joedeso>games from the steam platform, it's just a program for buying and DRMing games
13:47<sney`>it's not a bad theory, but OSX is based on a BSD system, which is still really different from GNU/Linux
13:47<joedeso>was just a shot in the dark since they're both UNIX
13:47*weedeater64 thinks openbox is 'good'
13:47<sney`>there is actually a linux-native Steam client in the works
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13:47<joedeso>Linux programs work perfectly on BSD so I thought it might work the other way around
13:47<sney`>in the meantime, wine can be made to work, it just takes some messing about
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13:47<Zaba>os x is a crazy crossbreed of systems, with many non-standard (and non-linux-compatible) APIs
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13:48<sney`>that's not necessarily true - there is some binary emulation, and programs written for linux can usually be built _from source_ on a BSD environment, and will work that way
13:48<flick>Zaba: nice UI though
13:48<joedeso>Yea, it's definetly not considered much of a BSD anymore, was just hoping enough UNIX remained to twist it into working for linux or something
13:48<Zaba>something like wine but for os x programs is theoretically possible, but it'd take a lot of work to do - don't let the unix lying below all those APIs fool you
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13:48<Zaba>flick, that's one opinion
13:48<joedeso>good point sney'
13:49<flick>Zaba: one shared by many.
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13:49<flick>why not just run mac os x in a vm and have that guest hosted in linux?
13:49<sney`>for my PC gaming, I just reboot into windows as needed. I don't mind it as long as I don't have to use it for an extended period
13:50<sney`>well, except for stuff like Minecraft which works equally well in either OS
13:50<joedeso>It'd be interesting to see if games would run in a Mac VM flick, I wouldn't expect much though
13:50<flick>sney`: I only play GNU backgammon so not so much of an issue for me. :)
13:50<joedeso>especially since all i'd use would be virtualbox
13:50<Zaba>sney`, for some people minecraft (and apparently java stuff) works awfully slowly in linux but not in windows on the same hardware :P
13:50<sney`>I really like KDE these days. I used to agree, joedeso, that it was overkill - but it's really matured since KDE3
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13:50<Zaba>java stuff in general*
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13:51<joedeso>my win7 install dosent boot if there's a drive with linux active aswell; weird
13:51<Zaba>sney`, never encountered such a case myself, but I know people who did
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13:51<sney`>yeah, java can be hairy
13:51<belgerog>hello
13:51<Zaba>joedeso, games wouldn't run in a mac vm unless somebody would implement opengl passthrough for os x
13:51<flick>my friend has a minecraft server. a co-lo box with five 9s uptime and redundancy, UPS, bare metal rebuild , 24/7 support meh :)
13:51<joedeso>sney', I could use KDE since this pc is beefy but I still think it's overkill on features and stuff thrown in your face; saying that it does feel like the most desktopy gui
13:52<belgerog>I was wondering if someone else has problems with the nvidia drivers
13:52<joedeso>lol, maybe I'm doomed to Java games and the GNU collection :p
13:52<belgerog>whenever I used them my desktop gets super slow
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13:53<joedeso>is gnome3 far along in the works for debian?
13:54<sney`>!gnome3
13:54<dpkg>GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>, <gnome-shell>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html
13:54<joedeso>*assuming debian community needs to tailor gnome3 to debian*
13:54<joedeso>nice.
13:54<sney`>belgerog: what debian version
13:55<joedeso>6
13:55<joedeso>stable
13:55<sney`>I was asking the guy with the graphics problems, not you
13:55<belgerog>testing
13:55*joedeso commits seppuku
13:55<belgerog>wheezy
13:56<sney`>belgerog: it's a known issue. ask in #debian-next for details; currently your best option is to downgrade all of Xorg to 1.10
13:56<belgerog>ohhh
13:56<belgerog>how do I downgrade it?
13:56<belgerog>I'd use nouveau but I need to code some opengl stuff
13:56<sney`>you have to download the individual packages from snapshot.debian.org and install them manually. apt doesn't support downgrading.
13:57<belgerog>thanks a lot, I'll try that
13:57<sney`>ask in #debian-next for more information.
13:57<belgerog>would installing stable debian work?
13:57<belgerog>I will
13:57<joedeso>!unity
13:57<dpkg>Unity is a shell interface for <GNOME>, part of the Ayatana project. <ITP> filed as Debian bug #609278. http://unity.ubuntu.com/
13:58<joedeso>derp? Is Unity made by the ubuntu community for ubuntu only at the moment?
13:58<sney`>belgerog: yes, if you use stable, you won't have this issue
13:58<sney`>joedeso: yeah, it's ubuntu's baby
13:58<belgerog>thanks a lot sney
13:59<joedeso>I've used ubuntu with unity three times and have had to wipe moments after trying to use compiz :( it just kills everything
13:59<sney`>KDE's built-in compositing is fantastic. no goofing around with compiz configs, it just works. I can't believe how much of a convert I am, haha
14:00<joedeso>lol, well you might end up convincing me at least enough to try it on my debian install
14:00<joedeso>will using apt-get remove, apt-get purge and apt-get autoremove, be enough to get all the KDE mess off my system if i want to change gui?
14:01<sney`>I'm not using it on a new machine, either, it's a 1.83ghz core duo with 1gb and it's still pretty quick
14:01<sney`>yes, if you install kde via one of the metapackages, removing it and then running autoremove should clear out the rest
14:01<joedeso>!kde
14:01<dpkg>K Desktop Environment (KDE) is based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get or delete KDE, ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde> respectively. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels
14:02<joedeso>(too lazy to type into my URL bar)
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14:03<sney`>joedeso: try doing /msg dpkg keyword instead of !keyword, that way you can read the factoids in their own window without spamming the rest of us
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14:03<joedeso>ah thanks, will do ^^;
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14:04<joedeso>just remembered big question for me; why is firefox impossibru to get on debian? (at least i think its debian) I remember ubuntu being the only one with firefox and I couldn't figure out how to get it on debian at all
14:04<dondelelcaro>joedeso: you just want iceweasel
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14:04<dondelelcaro>joedeso: basically thet same thing with a different name because of trademark reasons
14:04<joedeso>does it works exactly the same?
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14:04<joedeso>addons and such
14:05<retrospectacus>joedeso: yes
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14:05<joedeso>ok
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14:05<sney`>joedeso: and for more recent/current versions of iceweasel, go to http://mozilla.debian.net/
14:06<sney`>!why iceweasel
14:06<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>.
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14:06<zaikxtox>hello. ntp question. I have a server in my LAN with a ntpd running, and now i'm trying the other servers to use that as ntp soruce. if i run on other servers ntpdate mainntpserver it works. if i start the ntp server in the others and do a ntpq -p it shows that it's not connectint and the time starts to differ
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14:07<joedeso>thanks sney', just curious; why did they change their minds?
14:07<sney`>good question. probably a lawyer thing
14:07<joedeso>hehe yeah
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14:08<joedeso>or someone drew a penis on the logo and sent it out as an update
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14:08<joedeso>both equally as probable. totally.
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14:10<joedeso>do ext3 & ext4 have self-maintenance features like defraging automatically?
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14:11<joedeso>oh also; does debian or KDE have an application like ubuntu to find proprietary drivers for you? e.g. nvidia display drivers
14:12<sney`>no 3rd party driver finder, but you can just ask in here
14:12<joedeso>mkay
14:12<sney`>ext* filesystems do not suffer from fragmentation the way ntfs does, it's not a concern
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14:12<sney`>you can ask dpkg about 'defrag' for more info on that
14:12<joedeso>thanks
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14:14<sney`>bbl
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14:16<Bushmills>zaikxtox, can you reach that server from another (one of those which don't connect) when you enter on one of those ntpq -p functioning_server ?
14:16<joedeso>sney', high priest goddess person of KDE; does KDE support 'skinning'/themes? I'm not a fan of everything being a weird shade of silver all the time :(
14:17<zaikxtox>Bushmills, well... i can reach the server via ssh, ping, and using the ntpdate command
14:18<zaikxtox>but when i do a nptq -p, it never has an *
14:18<Bushmills>is there any *, on another server maybe?
14:18<zaikxtox>no. i just removed any other server to see if it could make it use it
14:19<Bushmills>what does it show in the st column, and reach, delay, offset, jitter columns for that server?
14:19<zaikxtox>192.168.22.150 10.1.27.233 4 u 59 64 17 0.434 19.563 34.833
14:19<Bushmills>looks fine
14:20<zaikxtox>yes. but without an *
14:20<Bushmills>give it some time
14:20<zaikxtox>i will then.
14:20<Bushmills>check again when reach shows 377
14:20<zaikxtox>maybe i should add the 10.1.27.233 too
14:20<zaikxtox>ok
14:20<zaikxtox>shows is...
14:21<zaikxtox>still low
14:21<zaikxtox>i will just wait for a while and keep looking it
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14:22<zaikxtox>thanks a lot
14:22<joedeso>What is debian/linux's equivalent to MS-Windows registry?
14:23<Bushmills>how should we know what a "windows registry" is?
14:23<Bushmills>what's the purpose of it?
14:23<joedeso>lol? because windows is everywhere and the registry is a big part of what makes windows windows
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14:24<Bushmills>so you're looking for something what makes debian debian?
14:24<joedeso>it's where OS settings and programs put conditions and say where they're installed and stuff I think
14:24<Bushmills>maybe the license? the social contract?
14:24<babilen>Bushmills: Don't be silly :)
14:24<joedeso>I'm wondering how debian is aware of what programs are installed and such, i think :P
14:24<joedeso>bushmills is mad :)
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14:25<babilen>joedeso: There is no direct equivalent of the Windows registry on Linux -- You can find configuration files in /etc (system-wide) and in your $HOME directory
14:26<amphi>joedeso: program binaries tend to be in a few directories, /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, perhaps /usr/local/bin, ~/bin
14:26*Bushmills contemplates hopping over to #windows and asking "what's the windows equivalent of aptitude?"
14:26<babilen>joedeso: The information of which packages are installed is kept in /var/lib/dpkg/status and so on -- What are you really looking for?
14:26<babilen>Bushmills: Nice idea :)
14:27<joedeso>so it's kinda up to the application's developer to put in it's .deb or compiling where it's going and what it's going to interact with, like putting an entry in the menus and such
14:27<babilen>!tell joedeso about fhs
14:27<zaikxtox>joedeso, if you are using gnome there is some kind of global configuration
14:27<ompaul>joedeso: an alternative is not a replacement, there is no such single beast. Apt and Aptitude know what was installed, configuration babilen took care of for most things, and then each program can if it so wishes have it's own configuration and so on, desktop environments have their own ways of doing things (and then strive to meet the opendesktop projects ideals, and then there is X
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14:27<joedeso>mmkay
14:27<zaikxtox>joedeso, but it's really different in linux. there is no "windows registry" concept of every little config thing mixed up in the same place
14:27<ompaul>joedeso: menus tend to be inherited from the environment, however they could be part of the application,
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14:28<babilen>joedeso: There are standards like the FHS or those provided by Freedesktop that specify the standard locations for different types of files within in the filesystem
14:28<joedeso>yea, was just wondering if linux distros had a centrallized place like windows to keep track of such things
14:28<ompaul>joedeso: no
14:28<ompaul>joedeso: so they can;t be attacked all in one go
14:28<joedeso>hehe good :)
14:29<zaikxtox>there are some uses and conventions
14:29<ompaul>joedeso: is there something you want to achieve specifically?
14:29<zaikxtox>for example, graphic apps today should put their crap under .config directory in the user directory
14:29<babilen>joedeso: There is not a centralised place for "all those things" -- They are rather split up semantically and stored in appropriate places
14:29<sklo>!list
14:29<dpkg>sklo: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
14:30<joedeso>no, was just curious; was just cleaning up my windows' registry :P
14:30<joedeso>babilen, I like that answer :)
14:30<zaikxtox>je. you have also /etc, with all the global config of each app and deamon
14:30<ballison>I'm trying to connect to a xen vnc instance and the port is open and i can connect with my vnc client but when i connect i get a black screen
14:31<zaikxtox>anyway windows progams also keep their config in separate files, like outlook keeping things hidden in files and so.
14:31<joedeso>btw if I install debian with a 6.0.2.1 iso, do I have do to anything to update it to 6.0.3.* or is that just in apt-get update && apt-get upgrade?
14:32<zaikxtox>ballison, just very basic question... did you setup a session for your Vnc to connect to? like windowmaker, fluxbox, gnome or something?
14:32<ompaul>joedeso: that should do it,as long as you did nothing stupid to the first part
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14:32<ballison>zaikxtox: it's running windows on the other side inside the xen instance. windows7
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14:33<zaikxtox>then it should perfectly work...
14:33<zaikxtox>unless there is some problem in the vnc installation
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14:34<zaikxtox>joedeso, you can use unattended-upgrades if it's a server where you don't ussually make updates and upgrades
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14:35<zaikxtox>when i have an unattended server i chose to install the unattended-upgrades package
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14:35<zaikxtox>ballison, have you setup a password for access to the vnc?
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14:37<ballison>zaikxtox: for instance 1 i get no password prompt. for instance 2 i get a password prompt
14:37<zaikxtox>Bushmills, thanks again. when it reached the 377 in reachs it started working!!!
14:37<Bushmills>see ... no problem :)
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14:38<zaikxtox>ballison, maybe giving a try to rdesktop (microsoft remote desktop protocol) ?
14:38<zaikxtox>mmmh... of connecting to other kind of service like ftp or http to check the virtual network is working ok
14:39<ballison>zaikxtox: but it's vnc
14:40<ballison>xen uses vnc
14:41<ballison>plus it works perfectly for instance 2 but not instance 1
14:41<zaikxtox>weird...
14:41<zaikxtox>i'm more used to vserver (linux/linux) so can't really help then
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14:52<Kharec>hi there
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14:56<retrospectacus>hello Kharec
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15:01<aghiles>hello
15:01<aghiles>I THINK AM DECONNECTED
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15:01<ompaul>and you are
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15:12<zaikxtox>well. have a nice weekend #debian
15:12<zaikxtox>see you!
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15:25<ubukou>heys ppl... quick question.. is there something i must do to get 1000mbps working?
15:25<ubukou>1000 mbps switch and 2 network cards 1000 mbps capable...
15:26<sney->make sure your cabling supports it
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15:26<ubukou>cat6?
15:26<ubukou>sney, cat6
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15:26<ubukou>that does the trick right ?
15:26<sney->cat6, cat5e, cat5, all fine as long as it's terminated properly. gigabit uses all 4 pairs.
15:26<ubukou>i have cat 6..
15:27<ubukou>weird i get upto 20 mb/s while tranfering files...
15:27<JoeDeso>Hi, I was just installing debian onto my harddrive with a windows install on half of it with the other half formatted as NTFS which I was going to reformat in the debian installer but that hard drive is showing up as completely free space, whats up?
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15:27<ubukou>what the heck am i missing?
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15:27<sney->you can use ethtool to see what your NIC detects
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15:28<ubukou>it detects speed :1000 and duplex full...
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15:28<sney->JoeDeso: what partitioning method did you select
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15:28<ubukou>isnt that right?
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15:28<sney->ubukou: that's right. you're connected at gigabit speeds. your bottleneck is elsewhere.
15:28<ubukou>that ayto negotiation thing confuses me tho...?
15:28<ubukou>sney should i turn of auto negotiation?
15:29<JoeDeso>sney-, none?
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15:29<sney->JoeDeso: when you get to the disk partitioning part of the installer it asks if you want to proceed with "guided" or "manual"
15:29<JoeDeso>I just used Computer Management to shrink my windows' NTFS partition down and I formatted the freespace as NTFS with a label "to_be_linux" so I could identify it
15:29<JoeDeso>oh I can't see it on either
15:29<JoeDeso>manual i guess
15:29<sney->hmm
15:30<JoeDeso>The installer (for debian-6.0.2.1-am64-netinst) claims is all free space
15:30<JoeDeso>I opted to install with 'alternative desktop' KDE and didn't use the graphical installer if that makes any difference (doubtful)
15:31<ubukou>sney, hahaha. i havent restarted network manager...
15:31<sney->I've never seen the installer not detect partitions created in windows, is there anything unusual in your setup like motherboard raid or a different controller?
15:31<ubukou>sney let me try that
15:31<sney->ubukou: are you using Debian?
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15:31<ubukou>nope ubuntu..
15:31<JoeDeso>Could the madness be down to the fact Windows uses MBR? (I'm probably thinking wrong, have been trying to dual-boot my macbook which has GPT not MBR)
15:31<ubukou>sney, ubuntu .. why?
15:32<sney->please go to their support channel from now on, we do not support ubuntu installations here
15:32<sney->!ubuntuirc ubukou
15:32<dpkg>ubukou: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
15:32<JoeDeso>lawl, ubuntu succeeded from the state of debian years ago; it made it's choice!
15:33<sney->yep, but they still use the debian unstable software tree as their development base, so their xchat default configuration comes here if people hit "connect" without looking at anything
15:33<ubukou>sney will do that... but for some reason i am banned there and i havent done anything wrong... any help with that ?
15:33<JoeDeso>LOL? Is that try sney-?
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15:33<JoeDeso>true*
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15:35<JoeDeso>(since my original question is probably unsolveable, will set the partition as free space and try again) is there a reason why there are binary blobs in the linux kernel? is Libre linux just not feasable? I thought debian strived for pure-opensource? :o
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15:35<sney->JoeDeso: it's an ongoing struggle for sure. Debian tries to remove the binary blobs where possible and put them in separate packages in the non-free section
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15:36<sney->but there are a lot of device drivers that require binary blobs or firmware
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15:36<JoeDeso>I tried using Trisquel (a debian dirived distro using linux libre) and Virtualbox additions (makes using the VM more seemless and adds drivers) couldn't compile/install/whatever properly on it
15:36<JoeDeso>ah, so it's a driver thing :(
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15:37<JoeDeso>are ATI (*amd) graphics drivers open-source yet? I remember there was talks about that, ATI refused by AMD was more willing apparently
15:37<sney->yeah, NIC manufacturers and GPU companies are especially bad about it
15:37<sney->there is a semi-free ati driver but it requires firmware
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15:38<sney->ATI/AMD actually contribute to it, though, which is nice.
15:38<sney->the nvidia free driver crowd are on their own
15:38<JoeDeso>aww
15:39<JoeDeso>lol, have have gone down the F*** it route and will have to unplug harddrives when I want to switch between debain and windows since Windows 7 hates being on the same machine as linux
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15:40<JoeDeso>what's with the awesome space background on the debian installer? who's idea was that lol?
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15:41<ompaul>!dualboot
15:41<dpkg>you have two hard drives... only some rich bastard would have more then one hard drive
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15:41<JoeDeso>;_;
15:41<sney->good question. it's called the 'spacefun' theme and there's probably something in one of the email lists about it
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15:42<sney->I know other people have gotten dual boot win7/debian working before, but usually the debian drive has to be the primary so grub can be in control
15:42<JoeDeso>What is the advantage, if any, to separating the /home directory when partitioning, what's best? should I separate it all up?
15:42<sney->or you can just hit the bios boot menu every time and pick the hard drive
15:43<sney->separating the /home directory means that if you break your OS, you don't lose all of your personal data. you can reinstall and just re-use the same /home directory with all of your existing settings
15:43<JoeDeso>Windows 7 dosen't like booting on my system when a linux installation even exists in parrallel; massive improbable madness but it seems true; maybe not now but certainly was last time I linuxed up my PC
15:44<JoeDeso>How would I reinstall debian without overwriting the home dir?
15:44<sney->the manual partitioning section of the installer lets you designate partitions for specific uses without formatting them
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15:44<JoeDeso>will the OS be any more complicated, besides have to change media when in command line more to get around (?), if I split it all/home up?
15:45<JoeDeso>kwl
15:45<sney->it's transparent to the OS, all the file paths are the same, they just live in different filesystems
15:45<sney->it's not like in windows where you have to jump through hoops to keep your profile on D: or something
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15:47<sney->personally, I separate /home on file servers, /var on web servers, and for personal systems I just have everything together in one partition
15:47<JoeDeso>one word; fabulous, in the straightest way possible
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15:48<sney->fab
15:48<JoeDeso>what? the loli? gimme!
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15:48<sney->please keep the 4chan out of #debian
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15:50<kevin__>\quit
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15:50<sney->JoeDeso: there is also the #debian-offtopic channel for non-support related chatter
15:51<JoeDeso>lol. was refering to lolipops, no THAT loli
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15:51<sney->hmpf. you said 'impossibru' so I profiled you
15:51<JoeDeso>omg so racist?
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15:52<JoeDeso>probably not :P ok ima enjoy my new debian environment, thankzorz
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15:55<sney->couldn't stay away
15:55<JoeDeso>lol, switching clients (ifrefferingtome)^^;
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15:56<JoeDeso>need to keep the logs so I know noone will say mean things about me while I'm off apt-getting
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16:00<JoeDeso>Is Gnash the only open-source alternative to Adobe Flash Player? Will it work in the browser (youtube 'n' such) like AFP(Adobe Flash Player) does? Gnash's webpage says it doesn't have support for swf10, would that be much of an issue?
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16:01<JoeDeso>I'm especially omg-grr-flash since apparently pesos could have been staring at me through my webcam due to a venerability, sox, ANOTHER venerability in AFP
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16:02<ompaul>JoeDeso: so what you do is reject it and say if it doesn't work for you, you are not interested, that way you get the safe ground.
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16:04<JoeDeso>yea, until someone on my youtube subscriptions list puts out a video with ads enabled meaning I can't watch with HTML5 because youtube and google suck bawls
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16:05<Screwba>quick question gang
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16:05<Screwba>what Desktop Manager are you using?
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16:06<Screwba>I am looking to switch it up and would like to get away from GDM/GDM3...do not want to go to KDM and looking for lightweight suggestions
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16:06<Screwba>also, would like to switch from x-server-xorg if you have suggestions for that as well
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16:09<Bushmills>what's a "desktop manager"?
16:10<Screwba>lol
16:10<JoeDeso>lol I was thinking that too
16:10<Screwba>I knew some of those comments would be coming
16:10<JoeDeso>Desktop GUI you mean?
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16:11<Screwba>I am creating a LiveCD for my Mum and a couple other 'anti-computer' family members and just want to send them all a 1GB USB Key
16:11<JoeDeso>*Graphical User Interface
16:12<JoeDeso>do XFCE, it might remind them of windows 98 (the menus lol) and it'll definitely run and it's pew pew with the programs and stuff
16:12<Screwba>all they will be doing is web surfing and e-Mail really
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16:13<JoeDeso>XFCE then, or if you need something EVEN LIGHTER go for LDXE
16:13<JoeDeso>*LXDE
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16:14<Screwba>I am looking at the LXDE and XFCE live images and they are quite beefy still
16:14<JoeDeso>Do XFCE and LXDE both use the same stalely thing as gnome? (like qt but not)
16:14<Screwba>guess I will just have to figure them out and install only what I need
16:14<Screwba>but both Live images still have GDM installed
16:14<JoeDeso>lol? the base install for both of them is super light, they be the lightest prettymuch
16:14<Dert>Hello, 10/100 Mbit/s network card TAIMIC HISP-002 (MX, MX98715AEC) is not saw by the system
16:15<Dert>Just replaced 1 of 2 network cards in my home gateway with debian (card had hardware problems), it was eth1, now with card TAIMIC HISP-002 (MX, MX98715AEC) there is no eth1 in the system ("ifup eth1" - "no such device", ifconfig shows only lo and eth0 that works as usually).
16:15<Dert>So, the "new" card is so old that there are no driver for it? Is it possible to install driver for it manually (can't find it in internet)
16:15<JoeDeso>(finally googled it) why does GDM matter? that's just the login page lol
16:15<JoeDeso>it just won't get used if you install the other GUIs
16:15<Screwba>so GDM is small anyways?
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16:16<JoeDeso>GDM doesn't matter
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16:16<Screwba>you still need a desktop manager, correct?
16:16<Screwba>so it does a bit
16:16<JoeDeso>forget about it, it's holding you down, you need to brake free
16:16<Screwba>there is gdm, kdm, nodm, etc...
16:16<JoeDeso>no, that's just one part of the GUI , it's mostly unimportant
16:16<Screwba>you have to have one of them installed
16:17<JoeDeso>the core of the GUI is what's important, I'd assume if you don't have gnome GUI then you won't use gnome GDM
16:17<Bushmills>those things are called "display managers"
16:17<JoeDeso>just installing XFCE or LXDE via apt-get will do everything you need it to i believe
16:17<Bushmills>the rationale behind that name may be that they don't manage desktops, but displays.
16:17<Dert>any propositions about my situation? thank you
16:18<JoeDeso>yay KDE has finally finished downloading; debian shall live soon enough :3
16:18<JoeDeso>(I cane help with chart Dert)
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16:18<JoeDeso>thart* not chart lol
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16:20<Screwba>I understand what a DM is and that it is a needed part for your WM (Window Manager)
16:20<Screwba>what I am wonding is does it really matter which one I use...is one better than the other
16:21<JoeDeso>I'm pretty sure the desktop GUI you install with sort out it's own DM, tharfore not important for you to worry about
16:21<Screwba>I will be 'minimizing' the DE (Desktop Environment) so I have a Live Image and some space for my family to save a bit to a USB drive
16:21<Screwba>mainly saving favourites and their home dir
16:22<JoeDeso>a debian install with xfce/lxde will use less that 200MB most likely
16:22<Screwba>I will be sending a 1 GB USB key...just because I have several of these laying around
16:22<JoeDeso>yh?
16:22<Dert>ok... not usual for me that there are no official message board for debian...
16:23<Screwba>yh? <-- huh? man I hate abreviations
16:23<Screwba>either way...
16:24<JoeDeso>full words, too much effort :D you're going in circles
16:24<Screwba>I got some info, thanks, I will go play with xfce and lxde to see how I can tweak and minimize the Live Image I will create
16:24<JoeDeso>btw gaiis, one think I know I'll have to do is once I get into my new debian install; why is the cd you install from added as a place to grab updates from? I can't do apt-get udpate untill I remove it from the list in /etc, is this right?
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16:31<ml|>Dert: lspci -nn | grep -i network and paste the output here
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16:33<JoeDeso>Will Software Center work on KDE or does KDE have it's own package manager GUI?
16:34<ml|>you can try asking in #debian-kde
16:34<JoeDeso>Thanks
16:36<Bushmills>Screwba: you don't need any. for a lightweight way to login and choose X session check out qingy
16:36<Bushmills>that essentially combines function of a getty and a X session chooser
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16:37<Dert>00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 82815 815 Chipset Host Bridge and Memory Controller Hub [8086:1130] (rev 04)
16:37<Dert>00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82815 815 Chipset AGP Bridge [8086:1131] (rev 04)
16:37<Dert>00:1e.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge [8086:244e] (rev 02)
16:37<Dert>00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation 82801BA ISA Bridge (LPC) [8086:2440] (rev 02)
16:37<Dert>00:1f.1 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82801BA IDE U100 Controller [8086:244b] (rev 02)
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16:37<JoeDeso>dayum
16:37<ml|>Screwba: you can also just setup a ~/.xsession and use startx after login
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16:38<ml|>Dert: _only_ 'lspci -nn | grep -i network'
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16:39<Dert>http://paste.debian.net/download/138644
16:40<Dert>this is 'lspci -nn'
16:40<ml|>judd: pciid 10ec:8139
16:40<judd>[10ec:8139] is 'RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel modules '8139too', '8139cp' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8139
16:40<Dert>the full line shows nothing
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16:42<Dert>so the only Realtec 8139 is seen by system?
16:42<ml|>seems that way
16:43<Dert>this output is for 3 cards connected
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16:44<Dert>i wiill try now to dissconnect all other
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16:44<ml|>and yes this what you needed 'lspci -nn | grep -i ethernet'
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17:04<aperturefever>Greetings. Does the live image of debian contain non-free firmware? Like the images found here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
17:04<aperturefever>?
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17:05<JoeDeso>The Linux kernel will but I don't think debian does
17:05<JoeDeso>well you wouldn't find firmware in an OS would you?
17:06<JoeDeso>distro*
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17:07<JoeDeso>lol it's been less than an hour and I'm done with KDE
17:07<aperturefever>Well, during installation Debian asks for the ucode of my wireless card (3945). The images of the link above are supposed to include the foresaid ucode, so all i ask to know is if that's the case for the live imags too
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17:08<JoeDeso>I'd assume that notice is there because they are an exception meaning the other images don't
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17:10<aperturefever>Doesnt make sense. Why make live images that are not able to use most network devices? :/
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17:10<aperturefever>I mean from here: http://live.debian.net/
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17:11<weedeater64>wicd
17:11<JoeDeso>because there are lots of wireless devices and none of their creators feel like sharing the secrets of how they work (making them opensource) and bundling software like that (proprietary) is against the debian 'free software' philosophy :3
17:12<JoeDeso>also, go find an ethernet cable when installing an os :P
17:12<JoeDeso>OH JESUS! How do I turn off the KDE GUI?!?!
17:12<JoeDeso>ohwait, that's XFCE with the KDE login screen xS
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17:13<ompaul>JoeDeso: easy on the S2N please ;-)
17:13<weedeater64>JoeDeso: http://aravanis.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/debian_installation_standard_system.png
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17:15<aperturefever>no ethernet is not an option. Other than that you still fail to answer my question
17:15<JoeDeso>S2N? This abbreviation scares me
17:15<aperturefever>nvm, ty for your time
17:18<JoeDeso>How do I completely remove KDE desktop?
17:19<JoeDeso>I need to get this gluttonous monstrocity off my computer!!
17:19<sney->!remove kde
17:19<dpkg>To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
17:19<JoeDeso>oh cool, thanks
17:19<sney->dpkg knows more than all of us combined.
17:19<dpkg>sney-: I don't know, could you explain it?
17:19<retrospectacus>heheh
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17:20<JoeDeso>I've never seen apt ask me about so much with one command in my life! thanks :D
17:21<JoeDeso>lol whoops, there goes xorg
17:21*JoeDeso leaves to make a sammich, that process will dumping for a while :P
17:23<JoeDeso>is there a way of seeing the output of a process in the background?
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17:23<JoeDeso>aptitude will be removing tonnes right now, can I monitor it's progress? dpkg is locked so it must be working
17:25<sney->you can kill it partway through and start it again, it'll pick up where it left off (mostly)
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17:26<retrospectacus>you'll probably have to do it again if you mean it killed its own terminal removing xorg. ''ps fax'' to "monitor"
17:26<JoeDeso>ok thanks
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17:28<retrospectacus>you might also have to remove the lock file manually if it says it's locked but can be verified *not* running in ps fax
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17:31<JoeDeso>how to search installed packages with aptitude?
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17:37<JoeDeso>anyone know the xfce4 equiv to gnome's activity monitor?
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17:43<JoeDeso>anyone know the xfce4 equiv to gnome's activity monitor?
17:43<flower>xterm
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17:43<retrospectacus>what's an "activity monitor"?
17:44<flower>cpu graph and co he means probably
17:44<retrospectacus>usually you can just install gnome things in xfce without much trouble
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17:45<JoeDeso>yea I mean that flower
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17:46<JoeDeso>I search software center for it but nothing so was wondering what else there was
17:46<flower>u may use conky f.e.
17:46<flower>shows all prozesses, usage and co on the desk
17:46<flower>gkrellm too
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17:47<Veg-Unit>Anybody else noticed that the https-addon is not compatible iceweasel stable anymore? What do I do? I feel naked!
17:47<Veg-Unit>*https-everywhere
17:48<Dert>02:0b.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Macronix, Inc [MXIC] MX987x5 [10d9:0531]
17:48<Dert>(rev 20)
17:48<Veg-Unit>thanks a bunch mozilla
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17:49<ml|>judd: pciid 10d9:0531
17:49<judd>[10d9:0531] is 'MX987x5' from 'Macronix, Inc. [MXIC]' with kernel module 'tulip' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10d9:0531
17:49<abrotman>run away
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17:50<Dert>thank you. so it must work automatically?
17:51<abrotman>it may or may not .. tulip is an old driver
17:53<Dert>what can i do to get it to work manually? tulip is going inside the debian 6.0 distributive (that i installed half-year ago) as i understood
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18:06<variable_>where is information of mounted hard discs?
18:06<JoeDeso>how can I make a launcher that'll start iceweasel?
18:07<retrospectacus>variable_: /proc/mounts
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18:08<retrospectacus>JoeDeso: should be easy enough. Not familiar with xfce to tell you the exact steps
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18:09<variable_>retrospectacus, thanks =]
18:09<retrospectacus>or of course the ''mount'' command
18:09<retrospectacus>also the ''df'' command if you wanna know how full they are
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18:11<JoeDeso>Is there a way of installing .deb's by double-clickign them? (I know it's easy to do the CLI command but thinking more, linux vs windows, just double clicking would be better)
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18:12<retrospectacus>no idea... and that would not be "better" imho
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18:13<Dert>so no for me? only to write a bug-report?
18:13<Dert>no way*
18:14<allorder>JoeDeso: gdebi ?
18:14<JoeDeso>kwl thanks
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18:15<flower>dpkg -i is as fast as a double click :p
18:15<dpkg>package is as fast as a double click :p is already installed
18:16<retrospectacus>pfff haha
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18:23<JoeDeso>why is iceweasel all firefox 3.6-lookin'?
18:23<sney->in stable?
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18:24<sney->because it is firefox 3.6. For newer versions, see http://mozilla.debian.net/
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18:25<teo>hi
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18:25<sney->hi
18:25<teo>are there some MONO hack here ?
18:25<sney->what?
18:25<teo>eheh... i'm guessing if is there some developer on mono ?
18:26<retrospectacus>!mono
18:26<teo>mono, the .net implementation
18:26<dpkg>[mono] infectious mononucleosis ("glandular fever", "kissing disease"), or a community initiative to develop an open source, cross-platform version of the Microsoft .NET development framework. http://wiki.debian.org/Mono http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianMonoGroup http://www.mono-project.com/ #debian-mono on irc.oftc.net.
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18:26<retrospectacus>haha
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18:27<retrospectacus>I guess there is a channel for it.
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18:28<teo>yes i suppose too..
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18:33<sarsenij>Hello, I have a problem with an external drive. I depluged it non intentionally, and now, it's no more in /dev/sdb1, but in /dev/sdc1. I've got an auto mount script fonctionnal only with /dev/sdb1. Is there a way that if there is a new drive and if /dev/sdb is free, the new drive goes to /dev/sdb ? (sorry for my bad english)
18:34<daemonkeeper>Your udev may rename the device. Note we also have Italian, German and French chats. Whatever you prefer ...
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18:36<sarsenij>Thanks, but if I speak not real good english, I unterstand well. Is there a way to configure udev ?
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18:37<daemonkeeper>Most likely there is a rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/
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18:39<sarsenij>In this path, there is only rules for cd and net. You think I should create one for the external drive ?
18:40<daemonkeeper>Typically net and cd rules are created automatically. If you want to force a given part to a given device, you can override udev by adding a rules, yes.
18:40<daemonkeeper>*rule
18:41<sarsenij>ok, I'll search a manual for this on internet, and ask you after if I don't understand. Thank you !
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18:49<Dert>hah i get it to work
18:50<Dert>just 'apt-install tulip'
18:50<JoeDeso>hey again, how do I figure out what linux kernel I'm running?
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18:53<sarsenij>daemonkeeper, it works fine ! Thanks again for the help !
18:54<daemonkeeper>You're welcome
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18:56<Knorrie>JoeDeso: uname -r
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19:21<winsen>i followed what you said, it desn't work, it says "windows could not set the network settings, you can try this setting later inthe network and sharing center"
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19:22<retrospectacus>hehehe... fucking windows! How does it work?
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19:23<sarsenij>Another question, at each reboot, my /etc/resolv.conf is automatically modified. I want to keep this file how I configured it. I tried a chmod -w, but it doesn't change anything. Anyone has an idea ?
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19:23<winsen>i think you're right cause in network and sharing menu it shows public network, maybe i've to change it from public to homenetwork or worknetwork in order to make static ip ; does anyone here know how to solve that?
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19:24<boba>sarsenij: would you happen to be using dhcp by any chance?
19:25<sarsenij>Yep
19:25<retrospectacus>winsen: why are you asking these questions? This is #debian, not #windows
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19:25<boba>sarsenij: check your dhcp config files then. there may be a way to set dns servers in it
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19:26<clock>Hello. Cyrus SASL library has configuration files /etc/sasl2/imapd.conf or /usr/lib/sasl2/imapd.conf and other appname.conf, but these are not on my Debian system although Cyrus SASL 2 library is installed and running as a part of large funcioning IMAP mailserver. Where are these SASL lib config files on Debian?
19:27<retrospectacus>sarsenij: /msg dpkg fixresolvconf
19:27<winsen>retrospectacus: hi, am sorry , i did mistake of channel cause am debian user to , so debian channel is open by default
19:27<sarsenij>boba, winsen, thanks a lot !
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19:28<retrospectacus>winsen: no worries :) thanks for the laugh
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19:28<JoeDeso>hey, can anyone help me get my sound working before I 'fukit' and go to ubuntu 11.10? :D
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19:29<Golfgeo>Hi all
19:29<sney->JoeDeso: have you checked to see if it's muted
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19:30<JoeDeso>MIGHT BE ACTUALLY
19:30<Golfgeo>Got an installer question... How much swap space (in %) does the auto guide for partitioning assing to swap?
19:30<retrospectacus>JoeDeso: probably, if you describe your sound issue we can try
19:30<sney->!alsa checklist
19:30<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
19:30<winsen>retrospectacus: you're welcome, debian is my favourite channel,
19:30<JoeDeso>Just, install debian, no sound on youtube
19:30<winsen>JoeDeso: welcome, don't worry be happy, someone here will help you
19:30<JoeDeso>hehe mr dpkg does it again :D
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19:31<retrospectacus>for youtube you need to install flashplugin-nonfree
19:31<retrospectacus>and if you are running 64 bit you may need to stop other sound apps and reload the page
19:32<JoeDeso>gnu flash thing is working on video, just not sound
19:33<retrospectacus>gnash? haven't tried it but heard it's not so great
19:33<sney->it's slow as pants
19:33<sney->www.youtube.com/html5 is my youtube solution
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19:34<JoeDeso>unfortunately html5 YT doesn't work for everything :(
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19:34<JoeDeso>how can I resize the partition debian is installed on?
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19:34<weedeater64>clive, umph, and mplayer for YT
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19:35<retrospectacus>clive++
19:35<retrospectacus>JoeDeso: not while it's running. You'd have to boot some live CD and do it with gparted or such
19:36<JoeDeso>could debian resize it?
19:36<JoeDeso>live cd*
19:36<retrospectacus>yep
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19:51<vrkalak>use the liveCd ... you cannot unmount and change the partition you are using - you have to do stuff from the outside
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20:22<iceisfun>can someone help me with a routing issue?
20:22<g0rs>iceisfun: is it something to do with a router?
20:22<iceisfun>I have a debian 6.0.3 machine with eth0 (internet in, dhcp address) and eth1 (gateway for my subnet)
20:23<iceisfun>my subnet is 166.70.18.0/26 and I have the eth1 set to 166.70.18.1
20:23<iceisfun>the dhcp interface eth0 has a ip and its on the internet, tcpdump shows traffic coming in on eth0 for the 166.70.18.0 subnet
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20:24<iceisfun>how do i setup the route for 166.70.18.0/26 to get to the machines on eth1
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20:24<iceisfun>on my cisco 1841 this was simple, i just setup fastethernet0/0 as dhcp and fastethernet0/1 as 166.70.18.1/26 and it worked
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20:34<Black_Prince>iceisfun, http://paste.debian.net/138686/ I use this for routing. eth0 is device that connects me to outer world, eth1 is for my home network.
20:35<iceisfun>i was wondering if i had to use masq
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20:36<Black_Prince>dpkg, masq
20:36<dpkg>methinks masq is See: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L
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20:59<Sapphyr>QUIT
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21:04<winsen2>good night
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21:11<g0rs>hi, anybody experienced with computer processors here?
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21:14<blarson_>!tell g0rs about anybody
21:14<g0rs>blarson_: thanks :)
21:15<hillhopper_>How do I post an error message w/o getting kicked?
21:15<RodolfoRG>Is there an easy way to read the .txt.gz documentation files that Debian ships on packages?
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21:15<blarson_>!pastebin
21:15<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>.
21:16<RodolfoRG>I mean, the packages was installed, but the docs are .gz ...
21:16<dominique>hi there
21:16<blarson_>RodolfoRG: zless
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21:16<hillhopper_>thanks
21:16<dominique>how do i know which debian i'm using?
21:17<g0rs>i need help in computer processor selection such as pentium , celeron , dual core i5 , quadcore i7 , amd c50 , amd dual and quad core processors . my needs are modest and i dont really need a high end computer but a 2ghz with 2 to 4 gb of ram is enough . I also dont want to spend too much $ on it as well. Can you recommend any processor?
21:17<RodolfoRG>blarson_: ahhh =]
21:17<JoeKickass>dominique: /etc/debian_version
21:18<hillhopper_>Here's the message... http://paste.debian.net/138690
21:18<jhutchins_lt>dominique: lsb_release -a will also tell you. Takes a minute.
21:18<jhutchins_lt>dominique: Usually the answer is "which one did you install?".
21:19<JoeKickass>or "the one you have in your sources.list lines"
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21:19<jhutchins_lt>dominique: Looking at /etc/apt/sources.list can be informative.
21:19<jhutchins_lt>I did inherit a system that had four different releases in the sources.list, so that wasn't definitive.
21:20<dominique>my sources list gets from wheezy, squeeze and sid
21:20<JoeKickass>mine has that :)
21:20<dominique>lsb_release -a says debian 6.0.3
21:20<jhutchins_lt>dominique: Ah, you are running frankendebian.
21:20<jhutchins_lt>dominique: Did you build this system?
21:20<dominique>no, I got this image from a friend
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21:21<dominique>I only wanted the stable one, but it came with the whole package
21:21<JoeKickass>what's in /etc/apt/apt.conf ?
21:21<jhutchins_lt>dominique: I'd put quotes around "friend" there...
21:21<dominique>the only thing i'm missing is mysql
21:21<JoeKickass>(if anything)
21:21<dominique>is there any repository where i can download mysql workbench?
21:21<hillhopper_>I can't format or mount a floppy. See pasted link.
21:21<jhutchins_lt>dominique: I would recommend commenting out any reference to wheezy or sid.
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21:22<jhutchins_lt>You probably also need to look at /etc/apt/preferences and possibly move it somewhere safe.
21:23<dominique>unless I specify, it will first try to take stable version of any app, right?
21:23<JoeKickass>maybe
21:23<jhutchins_lt>hillhopper_: A lot of floppies and floppy drives are going bad these days.
21:24<hillhopper_>spins and light comes on
21:24<jhutchins_lt>hillhopper_: Common symptoms of dead drives.
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21:24<jhutchins_lt>hillhopper_: floppies have physical tracks on the disk, and if the head doesn't follow those tracks it doesn't work.
21:25<hillhopper_>ok head not reading
21:25<JoeKickass>dominique: see ''apt-cache policy libc6'' - if the "candidate" is the one from stable, then yes
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21:25<jhutchins_lt>hillhopper_: Yeah. I don't remember what diagnostic tools we have, all I can suggest is "try another disk".
21:25<hillhopper_>there are USB floppy drives
21:25<jhutchins_lt>Yep.
21:26<hillhopper_>how did you get the text to turn red?
21:26<jhutchins_lt>Your client may highlight test when it begins with your nick
21:26<jhutchins_lt>hillhopper_: like this.
21:27<hillhopper_>jhutchins_lt
21:27<jhutchins_lt>If it's a usb, you can try another port, and you can try a different machine to see if it can handle the disk/drive.
21:27<hillhopper_>Not sure whether it's media or drive
21:29<hillhopper_>media does run on other machines, so it seems the drive or the driver
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21:29<hillhopper_>I'm using xchat
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21:30<hillhopper_>jhutchinslt: thanks
21:30<jhutchins_lt>hillhopper_: Good luck.
21:30<hillhopper_>u2
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21:45<suprbly>hello
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21:47<dominique>does anyone know a repository where i can apt-get install mysql-workbench?
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21:49<jhutchins_lt>,versions mysql-workbench
21:49<judd>No package named 'mysql-workbench' was found in i386.
21:50<jhutchins_lt>,versions mysql-workbench-gpl
21:50<judd>No package named 'mysql-workbench-gpl' was found in i386.
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21:51<dominique>versions postgres
21:51<jhutchins_lt>dominique: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=604174
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21:51<jhutchins_lt>dominique: /msg judd versions <package>
21:52<dominique>how do i find the package name for what i have already installed?
21:52<JoeKickass>did you try http://dev.mysql.com/doc/workbench/en/wb-installing-linux.html
21:52<dominique>for example, i have gnome installed, but when I aptitude show gnome, it says not installed
21:52<jhutchins_lt>dominique: dpkg -l and man dpkg
21:52<dominique>guess i probably have the experimental one
21:52<jhutchins_lt>dominique: Also dpkg -l <search term>
21:53<dominique>I have, but it's a deb package
21:53<dominique>I'm looking for a repository, where I can auto update
21:53<dominique>what will dpkg -l do?
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21:54<JoeKickass>by itself, print all installed packages. dpkg -l foo will tell you about foo package you've installed
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21:55<JoeKickass>so for a more broad view , dpkg -l |grep gnome
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21:55<dominique>wow, very useful, thnaks
21:56<JoeKickass>well... not all installed packages. All packages you _have_ installed, perhaps
21:57<JoeKickass>euhh unless you purged them maybe... manpages are good
21:58<dominique>another question.. I have set my gnome to the next time i use it, it runs through failback, but it happens I don't have failback installed and now it won't open.. how do i fix that?
21:59<JoeKickass>when you say "I have set my gnome to..." ... do the reverse
21:59*JoeKickass has no idea what "failback" is
22:00<asdlkasd>son of a Debian
22:00<asdlkasd><
22:00<dominique>I can't, because i doesn't work anymore
22:00<JoeKickass>ahhhh of course, it's so obvious now -.-
22:00<JoeKickass>!doesn't work
22:00<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
22:00<dominique>failback is gnome without graphical
22:01<JoeKickass>welp, I'm done
22:01*JoeKickass wanders off in search of more beer
22:01<dominique>sorry, I'm trying to explain
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22:02<dominique>whenever I try to log in, it says "no failback mode found" and I get log out
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22:07<JoeKickass>check ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log for details. Pastebin them if you like
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22:15<dominique>found it!
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22:42<jia>test
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22:43<Black_Prince>test failed
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22:49<MrFrood>!test
22:49<dpkg>Test failed.
22:49<MrFrood>^^^ that's the way to do it
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22:53<Black_Prince>Well, dpkg won't say anything unless highlighted or you use ! as first char ...
22:54<ubukou>hey all! Anyone had any problems with gigabit network performance?
22:54<ubukou>im having a hard time getting speeds with NFS Share And Samba Share..
22:54<ubukou>17MB/S and really frustrated! :)_
22:55<ubukou>According to Netcat there is no bottleneck on the network config..
22:56<ubukou>i dont think its a CPu issue.. Neither Bus Speed...
22:56<ubukou>Has to be Nfs Settings ...
22:56<ubukou>Anyone ?:)
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23:07<serhyi>Guys, I have Postfixadmin installed. I need to figure out how to create new postfix mail accounts using php on same server. I tried a simple MySQL query, but it doesn't seem work. Would be glad to hear any advice.
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