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---Logopened Sat Oct 29 00:00:34 2011
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00:31<aussa>hi, how do I know the nvidia drivers are properly installed and working?
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00:33<augustRush123>hello there>
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00:34<augustRush123>hey I need few repository names....could anyone give me?
00:34<chealer>aussa: did you read http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Check_that_it_worked ?
00:34<augustRush123>hey I need few repository names....could anyone give me?
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00:34<sebasloto>one porciunculo
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00:35<augustRush123>hey sebasloto
00:35<augustRush123>is that a repository??
00:35<aussa>chealer, is it possible that positive "rendering" could be because of the intel card?
00:35<sebasloto>hello anyone have the fifth season of the big bang theory?
00:36<chealer>aussa: what do you mean by "positive "rendering""?
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00:37<augustRush123>hey I need repository names...could anyone give me plz.
00:37<aussa>chealer, glxinfo | grep rendering; direct rendering: Yes
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00:39<Jekktis>is compiz not working in 64-bit a common problem?
00:40<chealer>aussa: you're asking if the intel driver could cause glxinfo to say direct rendering is enabled?
00:40<aussa>chealer, yes
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00:41<chealer>aussa: if so, the intel driver is for Intel GPUs. unless you have an Intel *graphics card*, it's useless.
00:41<chealer>aussa: wait... which intel card?
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00:42<aussa>chealer, I have a laptop, it has two cards, a intel and a nvidia
00:43<chealer>aussa: your laptop has 2 *graphics* cards?
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00:46<aussa>a integrated and a discrete
00:49<sney>chealer: aka optimus. iirc, X and kernel support for this is spotty at best
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02:24<rasta>holaaaa
02:24<rasta>alguien habla español
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02:29<devil_>!es
02:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
02:29<nevyn__>aussa: optimus?
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02:32<aussa>nevyn, yes
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02:35<Bushmills>aussa: recent kernels have vga switcheroo to switch between cards, or turn on or the other off
02:35<Bushmills>also google for debumblebee
02:38<aussa>Bushmills, yes, I'm trying to use hybrid-windump, It just isn't working right, in order to use it I have to install nvidia drivers first, but I don't know if they are actually working, every time I try to run an OpenGL app, hybrid-windump crashes... is there a way to see if the nvidia drivers are installed properly?
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02:43<Bushmills>with bumblebee, i'd use glxinfo and optirun glxinfo.
02:44<Bushmills>with hybrid-windump, i'd have to read the man page myself
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02:46<aussa>ty
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02:49<Dark_Link>:s
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03:26<bartm>33 ?
03:27<devil>not likely
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03:27<Aquarius>hi
03:27<Aquarius>anyone alive?
03:27<devil>no.
03:27<bartm>slightly
03:27<Aquarius>great
03:28<Bushmills>Aquarius: are you?
03:28<Aquarius>listen... PulseAudio just doesn't work by me. I dunno, i've been messing with it for about a week and still not results. Alsa alone doesn't take on all tasks, sound is being taken over from time to time by other applications, specifically such as Skype or Wine
03:28<Aquarius>how do i setup PulseAudio, for God's sake?
03:29<devil>hehe
03:30<Aquarius>one more thing... i'm using Trinity KDE3.5.. but i don't think that'd be an obstacle to PulseAudio, would it? (if it DOES really work by somebodies)
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03:30<devil>ouch
03:30<Bushmills>here it comes ...
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03:30<Aquarius>i see you're more interested in ve3rdd than in my prob
03:30<devil>riding a dead horse while trying to set up satans work ;)
03:31<Aquarius>it's not a dead horse. Trinity project has been updated
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03:31<devil>Aquarius: noone here is interested in looking into kde3 - pulsaudio relations
03:31<devil>pulseaudio is a pita in itself, no need to drag kde43 out of its grave
03:32<Aquarius>who says it's a relation even? I personally have no clue if it has any connections to KDE as such. I was inclined to think that PulseAudio acts on its own
03:32<devil>kde3 even
03:32<Aquarius>fine, i see.
03:32<bartm>Aquarius, there's also #debian-kde
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03:32<bartm>Aquarius, maybe someone there uses pulseaudio ?
03:32<Aquarius>bartm, yes, but the prob is PulseAudio rather than KDE, you see...
03:33<Aquarius>everything else works perfectly
03:33<devil>Aquarius: i have solved many sound probs in support by removing pulsaudio.
03:33<Aquarius>haha
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03:33<Aquarius>well, tell you what... Alsa DOES work alone (esound), BUT.... it's not multitasking by me..... i dunno why, but i always get this problem... for instance, i may play something with my player, then i run skype and it jams both streams... including its own
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03:34<Aquarius>and it doesn't matter what i use, Gnome or Trinity... same shit.
03:34<cmr>Pulse works out-of-the-box here.
03:34<Aquarius>and hereby i dare to conclude that sound managers/server whatsoever have nothing to do with the desktop environment of any kind
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03:35<Aquarius>by many people it DOES work somehow.. i've read some threads and posts..
03:35<cmr>Aquarius: What's your problem?
03:35<Bushmills>is that stable or testing you're running on?
03:35<Aquarius>they tell me to use PulseAudio because it's more flexible with multistream sources
03:35<Aquarius>Debian?
03:35<Aquarius>6.0.3
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03:36<Bushmills>which one is that?
03:36<Aquarius>basically i have probs with Skype and Wine in regards to audio
03:36<Aquarius>stable
03:36<Aquarius>not testing
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03:37<Aquarius>i suppose...
03:37<cmr>Aquarius: What errors do you have with pulse?
03:37<Aquarius>no errors, it just doesn't let me hear anything
03:37<Aquarius>however... it's own indicator shows that sound gets inside somewhere somehow...
03:37<Aquarius>but it doesn't come out
03:38<cmr>Nothing in any logs?
03:38<Aquarius>erm... the prob is.. i dunno what to look up... i'm kinda new to linux in general.. so no idea.
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03:38<cmr>grep pulseaudio /var/log/messages could be a start
03:39<Aquarius>i've got along with it as a clicker. Know a couple of commands, but i hold on to desktop more than terminal console.
03:39<Aquarius>ok, right away...
03:39<Aquarius>ok... what's the website on which i can post it...
03:40<cmr>http://dpaste.com/
03:40<Aquarius>aha, thanks.
03:41<Aquarius>http://dpaste.com/643294/
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03:44<cmr>Aquarius: Is it muted? Do headphones work?
03:44<Aquarius>yep, all fine. And it's muted.
03:45<Aquarius>if i get back to just Alsa sound is there.
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03:45<Aquarius>so i know everything is ok by my side.
03:45<Aquarius>every time i install Pulse sound just goes off.
03:45<cmr>No, I mean headphones with pulse.
03:45<Aquarius>ah...
03:45<Aquarius>let me see...
03:46<Aquarius>erm.. how do i look it up?
03:47<cmr>Look what up?
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03:47<Aquarius>headphones with pulse :)
03:48<Aquarius>sounds ridiculous alright, and i have no clue what you mean. But the thing is.. i've seen something like that somewhere...
03:48<Aquarius>so now tell me please what do you mean
03:48<cmr>Take a pair of headphones and plug them in.
03:48<Aquarius>that's what i've been doing ALWAYS
03:48<Aquarius>i have no speakers
03:48<cmr>Ah
03:49<Aquarius>front panel by the way
03:49<Aquarius>there's a back one too
03:49<Aquarius>but i don't think i should try it out
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03:50<Aquarius>listen.. maybe it's my hardware?
03:50<Aquarius>i never installed proprietary drivers for my soundcard
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03:50<cmr>Aquarius: install paman, see if there are any sinks.
03:51<Aquarius>i mean it does work and Debian does have some driver for it.... but perhaps it has some flaws?
03:51<Aquarius>integrated HD ATI SB by the way...
03:52<Aquarius>ok
03:53<cmr>Under the devices tab, play some audio somewhere (perhaps a song) and see if any sinks are listed.
03:53<Aquarius>hmmm
03:53<Aquarius>ok...
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03:55<Aquarius>yes, they appear by numbers
03:55<Aquarius>#48
03:55<Aquarius>#40
03:55<cmr>Is "ALSA plug-in" in the Clients tab?
03:55<Aquarius>#49
03:55<Aquarius>yep
03:56<Aquarius>[kdeinit]
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03:57<cmr>And you're sure volume is set properly? Not muted etc?
03:57<Aquarius>no, but there's one weird thing...
03:58<Aquarius>it's Kmix...
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03:58<Aquarius>now it has only one volume adjustment...
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03:58<Aquarius>and it's Master
03:58<cmr>Nah that's normal.
03:58<Aquarius>Output
03:58<Aquarius>and Input is Capture
03:58<Aquarius>nothing else
03:58<Aquarius>ah.. ok
03:59<Aquarius>weird... it works but i don't hear it...
03:59<devil>Aquarius: recheck with alsamixer, kmix is weird at times
03:59<Aquarius>ok
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04:00<Aquarius>hmm
04:00<Aquarius>Front was muted
04:00<Aquarius>but not masterfront
04:00<devil>Aquarius: and really make sure nothing is muted!
04:00<Aquarius>it's in GNOME ALSA Mixer
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04:02<Aquarius>i also made one thing... i created asound.conf... but normally it doesn't create it yourself and it does really affect something. Should i delete it?
04:02<Aquarius>they do it on forums for some reason.
04:02<cmr>might as well try.
04:02<Aquarius>ok.
04:02<cmr>Did you unmute front?
04:03<Aquarius>yep
04:03<Aquarius>now, let me restart
04:03<Aquarius>brb
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04:09<Aquarius>back
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04:11<Aquarius>there is sound. BUT.. only through ALSA
04:11<Aquarius>pulse is silent....
04:11<Aquarius>and it makes some high pitched noise too...
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04:16<Bushmills>well, that's something
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04:17<cmr>Aquarius: Remove any configuration you may have done to it in the past week trying to get it to work. If that doesn't work, I'd say look to some pulseaudio people to get it working.
04:17<Aquarius>ok. thanks
04:18<Aquarius>you know what... i personally think that PulseAudio uses a wrong device... i have one which is of my videocard..... HDMI, but it never worked even in Windows...
04:19<Aquarius>no...
04:19<Aquarius>wrong..
04:19<cmr>HDMI audio?
04:19<Aquarius>yep
04:19<Aquarius>well.. that's the one used by Alsa too... i guess.. and it works...
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04:24<robson>hi! Is here someone who could help me with my TV card ?
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04:25<bartm>robson, what's the problem?
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04:26<robson>i have this card http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/AVerMedia_AverTV_Hybrid_Volar_HX_(A827) and i'm wondering "can i run i it on uname -a 3.0.0-1
04:27<bartm>have you tried ?
04:30<robson>not because I'm afraid that if it won't work it will be hard to uninstall this driver and module. (i like have a clean, fresh system).
04:32<Aquarius>what if i try to remove alsa completely...
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04:50<valdyn>Aquarius: alsa is your sound drivers, you cant remove it
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05:00<FeNux>Hi, have a i5 processor (thinkpad t420). Which version of testing shuld install amd64 or ia64?
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05:01<Aquarius>probably anything else but amd64 if it's not AMD.
05:02<valdyn>umm
05:02<valdyn>FeNux: "amd64" is the right choice if that intel chip supports 64-bit
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05:02<cmr>Aquarius: amd64 is pretty much every 64bit processor.
05:02<FeNux>Thanks
05:02<valdyn>or Aquarius should have said "anything else but ia64"
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05:17<shanks>I have installed what I think are the right java packages but I still can't display java, using Sun's java test on their website, in either iceweasel or chrome. Anyone know what might be wrong or what I should check?
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05:19<Aquarius>i've had that prob too
05:19<Aquarius>you must install Trinity java package
05:20<Aquarius>install everything that has to do with Trinity/Java
05:20<Aquarius>that's how i solved that prob
05:20<Aquarius>and by the way.. Weasel doesn't work with java very good even having it installed. You better try Chromium or Opera
05:21<shanks>I'll have a look into that Aquarius , thanks
05:21<Aquarius>ok.
05:21<Aquarius>tell me if any success. Curious.
05:21<cmr>Aquarius: I don't have any packages with 'trinity' in their name, what packages are those?
05:21<Aquarius>ah.. sorry
05:21<Aquarius>wrong channel, haha
05:21<Aquarius>excuse me.
05:22<Aquarius>just forget it, will ya...
05:22<Aquarius>just seek for any java packages, better to install them all
05:22<cmr>Hah, all of the java packages.
05:22<Aquarius>well yeah... i guess that helps. If you don't know what exactly is wrong
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05:23<cmr>All 1310 of them.
05:23<Aquarius>hm.
05:23<Aquarius>well... i guess you ought to know what the problem is in that case :)
05:23<Bushmills>yes, knowing beats askink Aquarius :P
05:24<Bushmills>asking, even
05:24<cmr>shanks: icedtea6-plugin makes it work here, haven't ever tried it with Sun's though.
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05:24<shanks>cmr: didn't somethign happen with icedtea6-plugin recently?
05:24<shanks>I don't think iceweasel in backports depends on it anymore..
05:24<cmr>I have no idea.
05:25<Aquarius>icedtea plugin.. that's what helped me i guess.
05:27<Aquarius>shanks, nothing happened to it, you have just never installed it.
05:27<Aquarius>it wasn't installed by me initially.
05:27<cmr>Hm, still works without icedtea6-plugin insteall so I don't know what magic this is.
05:28<shanks>cmr: I instaled icedtea6 and it now works. I used to have icedtea6 but it was removed by my system when iceweasel no longer depended on it. this change happened recently IIRC
05:28<bartm>knowing beats guessing as well :)
05:29<shanks>cmr: I don't know how yours works without it, maybe you have another plugin that provides this functioanlity?
05:30<cmr>shanks: It's listed as the icedtea plugin *shrug*
05:30<Aquarius>cmr, same was here. Without icedtea thing it never worked.
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05:30<shanks>cmr: icedtea is just a fork of openjdk perhaps you have openjdk?
05:32<cmr>I have both icedtea and openjdk installed but icedtea is the only plugin package I (don't) have. Perhaps they provide a plugin as well but I don't know why it'd be called icedtea.
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05:32<cmr>Yep, the virtual is still provided.
05:32<Aquarius>icedtea is never installed initially, that's what i can tell ya.
05:32<Aquarius>i had to install it myself.
05:33<Aquarius>and only then i got it to work.
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05:35<shanks>well it's working now. thanks :) I'll try and work out why one day
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05:36<shanks>and it works in weasel AND chrome. can't get better than that! well better is not having to use java in the first place
05:37<Aquarius>in weasel in may crash
05:37<Aquarius>i tried it on playforia.com
05:37<shanks>Aquarius: i usually use chrome. faster, leaner..
05:37<Aquarius>i play pool there... it takes long for script to finish
05:37<shanks>Aquarius: you ever play pool in real life?
05:37<Aquarius>shanks, Chromium is also not perfect. It's fast alright, but there are some flaws
05:38<Aquarius>shanks, one time
05:38<Aquarius>shanks, but technically never
05:38<cmr>shanks: Faster, maybe. Leaner? Not at all. Uses *more* resources than firefox!
05:38<shanks>Aquarius: no browser is perfect.. but it's nice to have a choice :) there is a good choice these days
05:38<cmr>Very good choice.
05:38<shanks>cmr: I've found that chrome uses about 30MB per tab. if you leave weasel open for a day, it'll eat most of your RAM
05:38<Aquarius>actually Opera beats the rest in linux today..
05:39<bartm>w3m ? :)
05:39<cmr>shanks: I've never had it go over about 300M and it's open for days at a time.
05:39<weasel>would you mind calling the browser by its real name, people?
05:39<Aquarius>there's only one thing i don't like about it..... it uses anti-aliasing for fonts... i've installed sharpfonts script so i made it look like windows.. i can't stand those ubuntu/debian fonts.. but it didn't work on Opera for some reason.
05:39<Bushmills>links2 -g
05:39<shanks>bartm: links2, lynx..? ;-)... wget | more
05:40<cmr>shanks: wget was my browser on slackware until I figured out how to install packages... NOT fun!
05:40<shanks>cmr: Slackware has package management?? ;-)
05:41<shanks>anyway i have to use a rubbish java based vnc client to get console access to the hypervisor of a hosted box where i run some linux guests... that's the only access they provide.
05:41<shanks>access is better than NO access :)
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05:41<cmr>Amen.
05:41<Aquarius>:)
05:42<Aquarius>do you guys like those anti-aliased fonts?
05:42<Aquarius>or does it not disturb you with LCD monitors?
05:42<cmr>One day I'll do benchmarks with memory usage of browsers compared. On linux, of course. All existing benchmarks seem to be on windows.
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05:42<cmr>Aquarius: In which browser? I've never had a problem with fonts.
05:42<Aquarius>cmr, not in browser, in entire system
05:42<cmr>Oh, no, not at all.
05:43<Aquarius>it DID disturb me.. cause i have CRT monitor with low res 800x600
05:43<Aquarius>it hurt me eyes.
05:43<cmr>A what monitor?
05:43<cmr>;)
05:43<Aquarius>CRT... meaning, not flat one ;)
05:43<shanks>cmr: that would actually be useful. though linux format did a browser review two months ago on Linux, but i'm not sure how scientific those guys are. they wrote a load of s**t about Debian in last month's issue for example
05:43<Aquarius>they're old already.
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05:44<cmr>Mmm. I'd probably be comparing nightly to chromium's dev version.
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05:51<shanks>just had a play with links2 -g. can't seem to be able to even find the box to enter a search query on google..
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05:51<shanks>...fast though :)
05:51*cmr prefers features to performance
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05:53<cmr>shanks: hit 'g', works here.
05:54<Bushmills>or ESC for menu
05:54<shanks>cmr: 'g' just allows you to type in a URL
05:54<cmr>Yep. Go to google!
05:54<shanks>As in.. I went to google just fine.. but I can't see the search box. unless i'm being really thick ?
05:55<shanks>oh i am being thick. the search box is jsut a line
05:55<shanks>:) found it
05:55<Bushmills>looks like a line
05:55*shanks does a face palm
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06:04<mustang>Hi
06:05<mustang>I have lost the root password of my debian stable box.
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06:05<mustang>How do I go to single user mode and recover it ?
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06:05<mustang>The options in bash seems to have changed.
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06:06<mustang>On the earlier grub I could append single or 1 at the end of the second line of grub.
06:06<mustang>A pointer to a URL would suffice.
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06:15<Black_Prince>mustang, append init=/bin/bash to kernel cmd line.
06:15<mustang>ok
06:16<mustang>Black_Prince, http://derwynd.com/2011/04/14/debian-squeeze-change-root-password/
06:16<Black_Prince>Then remount your root file system rw and change root password.
06:16<Black_Prince>same thing ...
06:17<mustang>ok
06:17<mustang>brb
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06:20<MD__>Hi! Lately I am trying to install encrypted LVM. Unfortunately the default debian installer does not support (or does it?) aes-xts-plain with 512 bit key. Is there a way to install encrypted system with config I have just described?
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06:22<CapTain_HiGh>hola?
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06:32<saleem>hi, im not getting a required speed on many mirrors only 15-20kb/s download speed
06:32<Kharec>which mirrors?
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06:32<saleem>what can i do for get the good download speed for updates? i have 5 mb connection
06:32<Kharec>I've got
06:33<Kharec> a good speed on http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/
06:33<saleem>Kharec, tried us , heanet , turkish, now russian but everywhere get same speed
06:33<Kharec>(454 ko/s)
06:33<saleem>Kharec, thats what i normally get
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06:34<saleem>i will try this mirror also
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06:36<saleem>Kharec, this mirror gives me 480 + kb/s speed
06:37<Kharec> :)
06:37<xun>you know, 5 Mbps is about 500 kB/s
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06:38<saleem>i thought i will not find any good debian mirror
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06:38<saleem>xun, you are right
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06:38<saleem>normally heanet is good but on debian it seems dead
06:39<xun>what? you are getting maximum speed then
06:40<saleem>only on http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ im getting maximum speed
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07:01<dardevelin>hey is anyone around ?
07:01<bartm>no
07:02<dardevelin>wondering if can try help on sid problem, since no one seams to be on debian-next
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07:02<bartm>sid users should be able to help themselves :)
07:03<bartm>dardevelin, what's the problem?
07:03<dardevelin>i made an update and noticed on the boot that Selinux failed to mount ( not which implications that carries ) and also can't mount my external ntfs HDD
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07:04<dardevelin>bartm, i know, but i'm on sid because i'm learning programming and i want to write software and the recommended is sid, because of the packages and stuff
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07:05<bartm>I use mostly stable, a bit of testing, and a tiny bit of sid
07:06<bartm>and I'm also learning programming :)
07:06<bartm>and doing packages and stuff :)
07:06<dardevelin>bartm, nice, what are you learning ?
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07:10<bartm>some perl, some php, some packaging... it's fun
07:11<dardevelin>bartm, humm more web oriented. That's nice
07:11<dardevelin>i'm diving on C
07:11<bartm>c is nice
07:12<dardevelin>i know a bit php, but not proficient with it
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07:50<AN0NYM3R>Hi
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08:13<knoppix_>hola
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08:14<Guest15131>hello
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08:37<dardevelin>back
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08:50<knoppix__>hola hay alquien
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08:50<Guest15134>hola hay alquien
08:50<dardevelin>!es-social
08:50<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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10:16<pundit>erawfish_: i have an InputDevice section in xorg.conf now. it does not work, because also "setxkbmap -rules xorg -layout "de, eg" -option "grp:alt_shift_toggle"' gives an error
10:17<pundit>sorry
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10:17<pundit>'setxkbmap -rules xorg -layout "de, eg" -option "grp:alt_shift_toggle"' gives an error loading keyboard configuration, though i have used values from "locale -a"
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10:32<pundit>i want to use which X keyboard description i use at the moment. how to display its name?
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10:41<amitz>how to check battery level in debian squeeze? i have 2 instances of squeeze, both are missing /proc/acpi/battery
10:43<sney>acpitool should do it depending on your hardware
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10:43<wompa>Sometimes when I start Debian squeeze I have no sound, Rhythmbox gives me: Couldn't start playback, configured audiosink bin0 is not working
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10:46<amitz>sney: neat, thanks.
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10:52<wompa>I think it only happens on one of my two computers, the one that always seems to work is an eeepc901, this one that has occasional problems have some kind of Nvidia integrated sound, volume control says Nvidia CK804 (Alsa mixer)
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10:54<ompaul>wompa: what kernel have you got?
10:55<wompa>2.6.32-5-amd64
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10:57<ompaul>wompa: I wonder if your sound modules are being loaded
10:58<wompa>How do I check that?
10:58<ompaul>wompa: does your volume control offer you any other sound cards?
10:58<wompa>no
10:58<ompaul>lsmod and put it in http://paste.debian.net ?
10:59*ompaul hates audio
10:59<ompaul>that is too weak a statement
10:59<wompa>http://paste.debian.net/140957/
10:59<wompa>hehe
10:59<ompaul>thanks
11:00<ompaul>type lshw and pastebin that also please
11:02<wompa>ompaul, http://paste.debian.net/140958/
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11:07<yoshi>hi i've just installed debian and i am having trouble getting sound working
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11:08<dardevelin>yoshi, hi, i think it's muted by default
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11:08<yoshi>no it isnt muted
11:08<yoshi>i looked
11:08<dardevelin>yoshi, but can you be a bit more specific on whats the happening
11:08<ompaul>wompa: that is intermittent?
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11:09<dardevelin>*what is happening *
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11:09<wompa>ompaul, it happens maybe once or twice a week after a reboot or clean start-up
11:09<yoshi>well cant get any sound out of vlc or rhythm box they run but no sound
11:09<ompaul>wompa: it is happening atm?
11:10<wompa>yes
11:10<ompaul>wompa: no web browser open?
11:10<dardevelin>yoshi, humm dunno, might be drivers
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11:11<wompa>ompaul, no
11:11<yoshi>dardevelin, yeah probably but i dont know which ones to install lspci -v says i've got Intel Corporation Cougar Point High Definition Audio Controller for an audio controlled i looked it up and i couldnt find anything about drivers for it
11:12<ompaul>wompa: it looks to me like the right firmware is loaded
11:12<wompa>ompaul, I don't get that beep-noise when gdm3 starts
11:12<ompaul>so I'm slightly confused
11:12<ompaul>wompa: you running sid
11:12<wompa>so, then I know I need to reboot
11:12<wompa>no, squeeze
11:12<dardevelin>yoshi, audio driver related issues is better to be with another person ( since i never ran into audio troubleshooting )
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11:12<dardevelin>yoshi, sorry :/
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11:14<ompaul>wompa: so is it only gdm3
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11:14<ompaul>what happens with gdm2 or kdm
11:14<wompa>ompaul, I thought maybe I need some firmware-package, but it works most of the time so I don't think it would help? I don't even have that -linux-free installed.
11:14<ompaul>or xdm
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11:14<wompa>Haven't tried
11:15<ompaul>wompa: why would it work sometimes
11:15<ompaul>so it is not a firmware
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11:15<ompaul>wompa: if it did not start every time then I'd gladly say that was the problem
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11:15<ompaul>wompa: ok here is an idea
11:15<wompa>hehe
11:15<shp>hi
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11:16<ompaul>wompa: do this, install ogg123 or whatever you want CLI music player and get a file that should work with that
11:16<shp>i've got a question: i want to install themes on debian: what must i take "gtk-3", "gtk-2" or metacity themes: http://gnome-look.org/
11:16<wompa>ok
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11:16<ompaul>wompa: it just means that it is or is not a desktop issue
11:17<ompaul>wompa: do you restore the last desktop session or do you start clean sessions (no memory of last apps?)
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11:17<wompa>clean session
11:17<Fantagenio>qualche italiano
11:17<ompaul>wompa: that's nice rules out other things
11:17<ompaul>!it
11:17<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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11:21<yoshi>anyone here acquainted with audio trouble shooting?
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11:22<Fantagenio>italiano
11:23<ompaul>Fantagenio: Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
11:23<Fantagenio>come si va su debian-it
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11:25<ompaul>wompa: are you getting any audio?
11:25<wompa>no :(
11:25<ompaul>wompa: cli nothing at all?
11:25<wompa>nope
11:25<ompaul>wompa: ok here is the kludge
11:25<yoshi>someone else wit audio problems?
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11:25<ompaul>wompa: so do this keep your lsmod > MyBrokenSession
11:26<wompa>cmus gives me: "Error: opening audio device: internal error" for a mp3, and for wav: Error: Couldn't get file information for /home/tom/rappin.wav
11:26<ompaul>wompa: reboot get it working
11:26<ompaul>lsmod withit working
11:26<ompaul>check the diffs
11:26<ompaul>Im wondering is something funny loading / not loading
11:26<wompa>ok
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11:28<ompaul>snd_ac97 line ... and the intel ICH driver from the lshw
11:28<ompaul>wompa: ^^ that is where I expect you to have a diff
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11:29<wompa>aha
11:29<ompaul>!tell yoshi about audio
11:29<ompaul>wompa: if it self fixes why should we think hard :-/
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11:29<ompaul>yoshi: have a look at the stuff from the bot
11:30<wompa>:D
11:30<yoshi>ompaul, from the bot?
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11:30<ompaul>yoshi: you should see a message from dpkg and it tells you various things about audio
11:31<yoshi>i already have alsa installed
11:31<yoshi>i think
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11:33<yoshi>already in audio group
11:33<ompaul>yoshi: so see the other key words in there they are in <braces like this> type them into dpkg and see how yo uget on
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11:34<yoshi>ompaul, yeah was just running down the checklist. the aplay doesnt work for too
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11:34<yoshi>err for root*
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11:35<ompaul>yoshi: does it need firmware in lshw see if there is a driver against it
11:35<yoshi>ompaul, whats that tell me exactly and how do i fix it. the error message is device or resource busy
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11:37<Black_Prince>sound card?
11:38<yoshi>Black_Prince, not 100% sure
11:38<ompaul>Black_Prince: can you - I'm on the phone
11:38<Black_Prince>ompaul, EWTF
11:38<Black_Prince>ah ... I got it :P
11:38<Black_Prince>yoshi, so ... I wasn't there. What was your problem?
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11:39<yoshi>Black_Prince, no sound out of the system when i use vlc rhythm box or anything else that is supposed to me outputting sound
11:39<yoshi>Black_Prince, aplay doesnt work either
11:39<Black_Prince>Hm ... What sound card?
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11:40<yoshi>Black_Prince, like i sid not 100% sure
11:40<Black_Prince>:-|
11:40<yoshi>i think it;s a realtek
11:40<Black_Prince>Hell if I know what are you talking about.
11:41<yoshi>well whats the command to find out what sound card i have?
11:41<Black_Prince>lspci -v | grep -i audio
11:41<yoshi>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Cougar Point High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05)
11:42<Black_Prince>Paste to pastebin output of cat /proc/asound/cards
11:42<Black_Prince>dpkg, pastebin
11:42<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>.
11:43<yoshi>Black_Prince, http://pastebin.com/UrJ8KHGL
11:44<yoshi>man that bots touchy it barely went over 1 line
11:44<Black_Prince>yoshi, try with and see if it produces any sound. -> speaker-test
11:44<Black_Prince>yoshi, that file could contain more than 2 lines in some case :)
11:45<yoshi>Black_Prince, what with what?
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11:45<Black_Prince>just run speaker-test
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11:47<yoshi>Black_Prince, ok i got sound from one earphone pport but not the other and not the main speakers
11:47<Black_Prince>remove earphones and try again?
11:48<yoshi>i did in the original test. actually i started the test without them in i just figured i'd check the other earphone ports just in case
11:48<yoshi>and i'm running the test and no earphones and notta
11:48<wompa>ompaul, I don't know how to compare two textfiles efficently... but I greped snd... and "snd_ac97_codec,snd_hda_intel" was in reverse order in the "broken" lsmod output
11:49<Black_Prince>yoshi, do you use laptop or pc?
11:49<yoshi>Black_Prince, laptop
11:49<Black_Prince>Ah, that could explain something. Do you know model?
11:49<Black_Prince>And by model, I mean laptop manufacturer and it's model.
11:50<yoshi>yeah a dell xps
11:50<ompaul>wompa: blacklist the snd_hda
11:50<ompaul>or maybe not
11:50<yoshi>lshw says l502x
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11:52<yoshi>Black_Prince, yeah a dell XPS 15 L502x
11:52<ompaul>Black_Prince: a sandy bridge model
11:53<yoshi>ompaul, didnt know that mattered
11:54<ompaul>yoshi: it might colour his judgement later or sooner but it is nice to know as they say
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11:54<ompaul>wompa: and what about lshw
11:56<Black_Prince>yoshi, pretty new I see ... well you can try this. echo "options snd-hda-intel model=dell" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf && alsa force-reload ... run this as root
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11:57<yoshi>Black_Prince, nope still only sound from the one earphone jack
11:58<Black_Prince>yoshi, have a look at alsamixer ... see if anything is muted.
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11:58<wompa>ompaul, no difference for the intel part, http://paste.debian.net/140970/ http://paste.debian.net/140971/ for new lsmod and lshw
11:59<yoshi>Black_Prince, nothings muted and everything is max volume
12:00<Black_Prince>yoshi, again, which kernel are you using?
12:00<yoshi>using debian squeeze
12:00<Black_Prince>yoshi, cat /proc/version
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12:01<yoshi>Linux version 2.6.32-5-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-38) (ben@decadent.org.uk)
12:01<ompaul>wompa: I'm lost intermittant fault is
12:01<yoshi>(gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Mon Oct 3 03:59:20 UTC 2011
12:01<ompaul>not regular ... no idea
12:01<Black_Prince>yoshi, wow ... You need newer kernel. I don't even know how did you install squeeze on such new hardware.
12:01<Black_Prince>dpkg, bdo-kernel
12:01<dpkg>no idea, Black_Prince
12:02<Black_Prince>dpkg, bdo kernel
12:02<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports.debian.org to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae See also <bdo kernel lenny>.
12:02<yoshi>Black_Prince, using the cd
12:02<Black_Prince>yoshi, do as dpkg says ...
12:02<Black_Prince>You need newer kernel for your hardware :)
12:02<yoshi>Black_Prince, ah mmmkay ii'll do as dbkg says
12:02<Black_Prince>dpkg, bdo
12:02<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905
12:03<Black_Prince>yoshi, first enable backports as described in last dpkg's post, then install backported kernel as described in previous dpkg's post.
12:03<yoshi>thanks
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12:04<ompaul>wompa: did yoiu use different wms by any chances?
12:05<wompa>ompaul, wms?
12:05<wompa>no
12:05<wompa>only gnome
12:05<ompaul>wompa: ok, just curious
12:05<ompaul>wompa: translation, grasping at straws
12:05<wompa>=)
12:06<yoshi>Black_Prince, so just to make sure i dont mess up my kernel royally do i just run install there in that first dbkg message after adding backports soruces?
12:06<Black_Prince>Yes. Then, you will have two kernels to select when booting your system. You won't screw anything :)
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12:07<yoshi>Black_Prince, no i dont want a 686 kernel though hmm
12:08<yoshi>Black_Prince, woot figured it. thanks for the help
12:08<Black_Prince>Well, install one you want ... replace 686 with amd64 if running 64bit ...
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12:08<yoshi>i'm going to try the 2.6.39 kernel
12:08<ompaul>that backports page needs a serious update
12:08<ompaul>reference point is lenny
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12:09<yoshi>i hope this also fixes my wifi problem
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12:10<Black_Prince>yoshi, most wifi problems are missing firmware :)
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12:10<yoshi>Black_Prince, hmmm well thats another issue
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12:10<Black_Prince>If you post whole lspci -v output, we could help you there, too
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12:10<yoshi>and since i only need wifi at school where i need to use a windows OS it isnt a critical thing
12:11<yoshi>Black_Prince, after this install and reboot
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12:12<wompa>ompaul, lsmod output some lines in different orders between the broken session and the working, but it's the same information, but I guess it's normal? Notably the nouveau and snd_hda_intel seems to have been "shuffled"
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12:14<yoshi>oh god i was using .32? the lowest on the list of instaables was .37
12:15<yoshi>maybe that cd image needs updating cause i only installed it 3 weeks ago
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12:17<Black_Prince>dpkg, point release
12:17<dpkg>Point releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, fixing security and grave bug fixes. You can upgrade to the latest point release by referencing a Debian <mirror> in /etc/apt/sources.list, then "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade". See <6.0.3>, <5.0.9>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases
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12:18<wompa>ompaul, lshw changed from resources: irq:21 memory:fe02a000-fe02afff to resources: irq:23 memory:fe02a000-fe02afff (different irq), does it matter?
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12:18<yoshi>Black_Prince, vlc just crashed my system. i loaded it up too see if the sound was fixed and then nothing would work
12:19<Black_Prince>yoshi, wait after you install new kernel.
12:19<ompaul>wompa: no
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12:19<yoshi>Black_Prince, and speaker test now gives sound out of the other headphone jack but nowhere else
12:21<yoshi>Black_Prince, oh thats cause my spdif is now turned off
12:22<Black_Prince>yoshi, before reboot remove /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf ...
12:23<yoshi>ok and now reboot?
12:23<Black_Prince>if you installed new kernel, yes. select 2.6.39 whatever from boot menu.
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12:26<yoshi>Black_Prince, well i am pretty sure that fixed it. i heard a sound when the login screen loaded
12:27<Black_Prince>yoshi, anywhere else?
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12:27<yoshi>Black_Prince, speaker text on every port works
12:27<yoshi>now to try vlc
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12:29<wompa>ompaul, the Archwiki mentioned Exaile gets the same error as Rhythmbox, solution is: "killall npviewer.bin", so I will try that next time
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12:30<yoshi>Black_Prince, eeeeh that crashed but thats probably a vlc settings pronblem
12:30<Black_Prince>yoshi, try some other player
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12:31<ompaul>wompa: it ain't arch but if that works so be it
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12:33<yoshi>Black_Prince, well the default player crashed
12:33<Black_Prince>*shrug*
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12:33<Black_Prince>yoshi, paste output of dmesg, cat /proc/asound/cards, cat /proc/asound/version, alsactl init
12:34<yoshi>is there a way to put those into files for easier pasting?
12:36<yoshi>Black_Prince, http://pastebin.com/SNz5ELyz
12:37<yoshi>rhythmbox doesnt crash at least
12:37<wompa>ompaul, it mentions flash might block Alsa, and I do have flashplugin-nonfree
12:37<Black_Prince>Hm ...
12:38<wompa>But strange that it would block before I even start the browser
12:39<Black_Prince>yoshi, open terminal as normal user and type vlc ... then try to play something. After it crashes, paste output from terminal.
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12:39<yoshi>Black_Prince, umm when vlc goes down it takes everything with it cant even move the mouse
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12:40<Black_Prince>then record it to a file ... vlc | tee file.log
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12:45<yoshi>Black_Prince, i am begining to suspect this is some kind of graphics issue. and i forgot to record it to a file
12:46*Black_Prince shrugs.
12:46<Black_Prince>yoshi, what kind of graphics?
12:46<yoshi>tee file.org?
12:46<yoshi>a 540M
12:46<Black_Prince>Model?
12:46<wompa>ompaul, thanks for your time though, much appreciated :)
12:46<Black_Prince>er, manufacturer.
12:46<yoshi>nvidia geforce if i recall properly
12:46<yoshi>i know it;s nvidia
12:47<Black_Prince>Proprietary nvidia driver or free one?
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12:47<yoshi>i think free one since i havent installed one myself yet
12:47<Black_Prince>dpkg, bdo xorg
12:48*Black_Prince kicks dpkg
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12:48<Black_Prince>yoshi, same as for kernel ... There is backported xorg and xorg drivers for squeeze (newer ones, of course).
12:48<dpkg>The backports.debian.org repository contains updated xorg components (in particular video drivers) for squeeze. Ask me about <bdo> to enable and use this repository. See http://x.debian.net/reference/squeeze-backports.html for information on the xorg backports.
12:49<Black_Prince>yoshi, check link provided by dpkg.
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12:51<yoshi>ok i'm gonna just assume i need everything updated so i'm using the install list number 2
12:51<gamer>gha
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12:51<Black_Prince>yes, mesa and drivers.
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12:52<yoshi>mmkay i will grab list 1 as well
12:52<yoshi>just to be sure
12:52<Black_Prince>yoshi, just use these two
12:52<Black_Prince>apt-get install -t squeeze-backports xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-video-all
12:52<Black_Prince>apt-get install -t squeeze-backports libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx
12:53<yoshi>oh list 2 includes list 1
12:53<yoshi>groovy
12:53<yoshi>ok thats done
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12:53<yoshi>what else needs done
12:53<Black_Prince>yoshi, before you hit Y to install packages, paste output here.
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12:54<yoshi>could have used that 2 minutes ago
12:54<Black_Prince>You can do it now ... I just want to be sure you installed everything that was needed.
12:55<yoshi>http://pastebin.com/mj6Hm77i
12:55<yoshi>thats the first set
12:56<yoshi>http://pastebin.com/Px0sD6S0
12:56<yoshi>thats the second
12:56<Black_Prince>grrr, why is still xfce dependent on hal? :-|
12:56<yoshi>like i'd kow
12:56<yoshi>know
12:57<Black_Prince>yoshi, looks fine. Now restart X server. as root -> service gdm3 restart
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12:57<yoshi>here goes nothing
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12:59<yoshi>well the restart command certainly stopped gdm3 but didnt seem to be restarting it so i had to do a full boot
13:00<Black_Prince>yoshi, anything better?
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13:00<yoshi>speaking of which is there a way to get debian to do a hard boot because i'm dual booting and not getting the option to chose other OS's without shutting down is annoying
13:00<yoshi>Black_Prince, and i'm not sure it all looks pretty much the same
13:00<Black_Prince>yoshi, I meant for audio ...
13:01<Black_Prince>yoshi, and what do you mean by hard boot ...
13:01<yoshi>Black_Prince, like when i tell it to reboot it doesnt just restart debian it restarts the entire machine
13:01<Black_Prince>Ah ... kexec-tools
13:01<Black_Prince>dpkg -P kexec-tools ...
13:01<dpkg>no idea, Black_Prince
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13:01*Black_Prince pets dpkg
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13:02<yoshi>dpkg kexec tools
13:02<dpkg>yoshi: I don't know, could you explain it?
13:02<yoshi>dpkg -P kexec tools
13:02<dpkg>no idea, yoshi
13:02<yoshi>dont make me kick you bot
13:02<Black_Prince>yoshi, just run command I pasted
13:02<Black_Prince>yoshi, dpkg -P kexec-tools ... run that.
13:03<yoshi>ignoring request to remove kexec and tools which isnt installed
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13:03<Black_Prince>grr ... just paste it. :-|
13:03<yoshi>oh grabbed the wrong one
13:03<yoshi>ok done
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13:04<Black_Prince>Now you can reboot normaly.
13:04<yoshi>Black_Prince, ok do i run vlc as that pipe command now to test it?
13:04<Black_Prince>vlc | tee somefile
13:05<Black_Prince>and remember to run vlc as normal user, not root ...
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13:05<yoshi>yep running in the normal terminal
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13:05<yoshi>Black_Prince, oh bloody hell no crash this time
13:06<yoshi>Black_Prince, thank you very much
13:06<Black_Prince>yoshi, it was graphics driver issue, as you pointed out :)
13:06<yoshi>thats why i tried rhythmbox to try and narrow down the issue
13:06<Black_Prince>I always use rhythmbox ... It is my favourite :P
13:06<yoshi>alright thanks for the time if you have more i wouldnt mind getting the wifi going
13:07<Black_Prince>I have plenty of time ...
13:07<Black_Prince>Just paste output of lspci -v | grep -i net
13:07<yoshi>cool what was the command you wanted me to run
13:08<yoshi>Black_Prince, http://pastebin.com/HsgD5jFt
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13:09<Black_Prince>yoshi, er ... lspci -nn | grep -i net
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13:10<yoshi>Black_Prince, http://pastebin.com/ksMEGyVv
13:10<Black_Prince>judd, pciid 8086:0083
13:11<judd>[8086:0083] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 1000' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'iwlagn' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0083 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn
13:11*yoshi boggles
13:11<Black_Prince>yoshi, what desktop do you use?
13:12<yoshi>gnome i think.
13:12<Black_Prince>yoshi, do you have network manager?
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13:13<Black_Prince>(it is a network icon near clock)
13:13<yoshi>yeah
13:13<yoshi>theres one there i was trying to find the command in terminal
13:14<Black_Prince>yoshi, now first run apt-get install -t squeeze-backports firmware-iwlwifi wireless-tools
13:14<yoshi>ok
13:14<yoshi>done
13:14<Black_Prince>Then as root, adduser yourlogin netdev ... replace yourlogin with your login name.
13:15<yoshi>already a member of that
13:15<Black_Prince>good, next modprobe -r iwlagn ; modprobe iwlagn
13:16<yoshi>done
13:16<yoshi>oh hey
13:16<yoshi>wifi
13:16<Black_Prince>yoshi, do you have any wireless networks in range?
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13:16<yoshi>Black_Prince, yes i have wifi listed
13:16<Black_Prince>can you connect to any of them?
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13:17<yoshi>yes
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13:18<yoshi>Black_Prince, sound video wifi hmm next trick global warming :}
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13:18<Black_Prince>nuke industry ?
13:18<yoshi>LOL
13:19<Black_Prince>dpkg, lol
13:19<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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13:19<yoshi>bwahahahahahaha
13:19<Black_Prince>this one is my favourite :P
13:19<yoshi>i grew up on alamak we invented LOL
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13:20<wompa>dpkg, like
13:20<dpkg>like, totally radical, like duh, no way wompa
13:20<wompa>dpkg, +1
13:20<dpkg>i don't know, wompa
13:20<Black_Prince>dpkg, msg the bot
13:20<dpkg>Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others.
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13:49<stefano>kunfu panda 2
13:49<stefano>ciao
13:49<daemonkeeper>You forgot !list
13:50<daemonkeeper>And no, you are not right here
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13:58<simonlnu>no route to host, heh
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14:02<yoshi>grrr need some easy way to clean up the root partition something has eaten up all the filespace
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14:05<knoppix_>hi
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14:12<yoshi>how does one update the locate command
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14:15<ml|>yoshi: man updatedb
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14:17<devil>yoshi: it also gets updated when you boot
14:17<yoshi>thanks
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14:19<heffay>I have a lot of unformatted disk space i want to use for storage and mount. Would fdisk be the tool to use?
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14:21<xpdt>but for instance is debian is possible to map the preocessor tasks (flags, interrupts, timers )
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15:00<yoshi>i thought pulse was supposed to fix the multi sound problem of linux
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15:10<rasusto>anyone home?
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15:11<wompa>Yes, why?
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15:15<rasusto>This place is alot quieter than the ubuntu forums
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15:17<Aquarius>rasusto, of course... what did you expect, Debian is less mainstream and posh than Ubuntu
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15:24<rasusto>Aquarius, *puts on hipster glasses* I used ubuntu before it was mainstream
15:24<Sicelo>rasusto: this aint a chat channel. but a help channel.
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15:26<devil>rasusto: debian obviously has less problems. that results in a more quiet channel.
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15:28<Sicelo>;) agreed. i installed debian in 'fancy' ways without help, and everything still runs fine. i was noob, but it worked :)
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15:32<rasusto>so here is my problem, albeit a minor one. I have an nfs service on my home server. I added the mount details to /etc/fstab and everthing works fine if I mount -a. The problem is that it doesn't mount on boot. How could I fix this?
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15:33<devil>rasusto: please paste the relevant line from fstab
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15:35<rasusto>192.168.1.3:/home/robert/Music /home/robert/Music nfs defaults 0 0"
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15:35<rasusto>without the "
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15:36<Torsten_W>the network is not up, if the fstab is parsed
15:37<Torsten_W>you could try the mountoption _netdev
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15:38<Aquarius>as for "less problems".... actually i'd argue on that. I worked my ass off till i got that damn PulseAudio to work. I dunno, but something tells me audio problems are better solved in Ubuntu. Anyhow, i stay on Debian just out of principal, and probably hoping for it's advantages over Ubuntu.
15:38<Aquarius>and one more thing... i'm not into mainstream stuff either.
15:38<Aquarius>the name itself even "Ubuntu" annoys me even.
15:39<Sicelo>i'm african Aquarius. 'Ngingumuntu'
15:39<Sicelo>:P
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15:39<rasusto>Aquarius alot of that has to do with ubuntu's use of non-free software, modules, etc.
15:39<Aquarius>erm.. you really are?
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15:40<Aquarius>rasusto, yeah, and enhanced Wine support i guess.
15:40<Aquarius>there's even WinePulse
15:40<Sicelo>of course.. and nearly Zulu, 'Ubuntu' being a zulu word for humanity
15:40<Aquarius>which is not available for Debian, unless you compile the sources.
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15:40<Aquarius>Sicelo, sorry :)
15:41<Sicelo>no offence taken at all. i plan to never use ubuntu myself :P
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15:43<rasusto>mountoption_netdev still doesn't mount nfs on boot.
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15:48<yoshi>Aquarius, ugh i came from ubuntu to debian i dont like where ubuntu is going with their desktop
15:48<Aquarius> Unity you mean?
15:48<Aquarius>yeah, i didn't like it either
15:48<yoshi>i didnt know what it was or is called but i dont like it
15:48<Aquarius>i have Trinity KDE personally. Classic and good working. They support it.
15:48<Aquarius>it's Unity desktop. With left side taskbar.
15:48<Aquarius>that's what you probably saw.
15:48*devil also points to #debian-offtopic
15:49<Aquarius>sorry.
15:49<yoshi>yeah that sounds like i
15:49<yoshi>oops sorry
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15:49<Aquarius>but i'm talking about desktop environment
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15:50<Aquarius>not OS in general.
15:50<Aquarius>but anywas... sorry.
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16:10<Aquarius>damn... StarDict jammed PulseAudio ... and probably it's not an only application...
16:11<Aquarius>now what do i do...
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16:26<yoshi>lol
16:26<yoshi>ouch how do you jam pulse?
16:26<Aquarius>i dunno. But it's possible.
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16:26<Aquarius>i mean something may shut any other playback
16:27<Aquarius>it happened before when i had only ALSA
16:27<Aquarius>but more frequently and mainly it was Skype that's so sensitive to any other streams
16:27<Aquarius>that's the reason i installed PulseAudio
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16:27<Aquarius>it's improved it.
16:27<madoo>hi evry one here
16:27<madoo>can i ask please
16:28<madoo>i want ask abut debian
16:28<madoo>please
16:28<Sicelo>yes, u may
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16:29<Aquarius>previously i could only talk on skype, if i'd try to run anything else then it'd jam it... actually both apps would become silent..
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16:29<madoo>can i ask plz
16:29<Sicelo>madoo: yes
16:29<Aquarius>i think i'm being an obstacle to him.
16:29<Aquarius>madoo, just spit it out
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16:30<madoo>i have xubuntu and i want try debian can you tell me abutit plz
16:30<ompaul>madoo: you install it - it works - there you go
16:31<ompaul>http://www.debian.org and find downloads :)
16:31<madoo>haw i can do without cd
16:31<madoo>did u mean i cant set up from termnal
16:31<ompaul>download a *.iso and cat *.iso > /dev/usbstick
16:32<Aquarius>madoo, no, you can't upgrade to Debian from Xubuntu console.
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16:33<madoo>please tell what i can upgrad cause i cant download enything
16:34<madoo>what lunix like xubuntu i can do
16:34<devil>then you are stuck with the big U
16:35<Aquarius>madoo, you'd rather just stay on Xubuntu
16:35<Aquarius>madoo, till you get able to download anything.
16:35<madoo>but its like very old
16:35<Aquarius>madoo, well you can update it.
16:36<devil>obviously not.
16:36<Aquarius>madoo, _ubuntu us the lead linux version (speaking in mainstream terms), so it MUST.
16:36<madoo>when i try to update its tell me no new update
16:36<Aquarius>devil, i think it's probably up-to-date and he simply doesn't know it.
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16:36<Aquarius>madoo, well it means it's up-to-date, dummy....
16:36<Aquarius>madoo, :)
16:36<devil>madoo: this is debian, we do not support ubuntu here. told you yesterday
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16:38<glupek>Hi. Can somebody tell me how to set up Creative Audigy 2 sound card under Wheezy? It's seen by alsamixer but there is no sound.
16:38<Aquarius>devil, he wanted to know how to upgrade to Debian
16:38<devil>i know whaqt he wanted
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16:50<rustyrobot6>Hi all, Is there easy way to fire up wifi card on debian?
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16:50<ompaul>rustyrobot6: what wifi card on what version of debina
16:50<ompaul>debian even
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16:51<rustyrobot6>broadcomm 43..
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16:52<ml|>rustyrobot6: lspci -nn | grep -i network
16:52<ompaul>!tell rustyrobot6 about b43
16:53<ompaul>rustyrobot6: the bot told you lots :)
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16:54<rustyrobot6>yea.. I already read wole wiki. and spend about 2 h to trying find something usefull
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16:55<ompaul>rustyrobot6: therefore you know you have to say exactly which card you have
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16:55<ompaul>which one of the many b43
16:56<rustyrobot6>05:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01)
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16:56<Sicelo>!tell Sicelo about b43
16:56<ml|>judd: pciid 14e4:4315
16:56<judd>[14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4315 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module.
16:56<ml|>Sicelo: /msg dpkg selftell
16:57<Sicelo>thanks :)
16:57<rustyrobot6>but it not work.. after installing debian it was "device not ready" after some steps from wiki now it "device not managed"
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17:01<rustyrobot6>trie both "network manager" and "wicd" and they not found any souce of wifi network, while next to me other laptop working fine under wifi network..
17:01<ompaul>rustyrobot6: tell us which version of debian you are running or do uname -a and paste it here
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17:02<vvo>for "device not managed", go to /etc/network/interfaces and remove lines mentioning "wlan0"
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17:02<vvo>it is because install procedure sometimes uses and configures the wifi, then params are put into /etc/network/interfaces and then you can't manage wifi from within gnome network manager
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17:03<vvo>rustyrobot6:
17:03<vvo>I had exactly the same problem
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17:03<vvo>(wheezy)
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17:03<rustyrobot6>ompaul, Linux debian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Oct 3 04:15:24 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux (I install from usb)
17:03<rustyrobot6>vv, i will check
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17:04<ompaul>rustyrobot6: then you need to read that stuff that judd pointed to your kernel won't do run that chip - not without help from that kmuto page oor the wl page on the wiki
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17:09<vvo>rustyrobot6: did wifi worked when installing ?
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17:11<rustyrobot6>its realy strange why it cant work why before with xubuntu it working fine
17:11<rustyrobot6>do i need restart it?.. I feels so dump even using linux (others distros) few years
17:11<rustyrobot6>still not managed:/
17:12<vvo>if removed from /etc/network/interfaces
17:12<rustyrobot6>vvo, no
17:12<vvo>should do /etc/init.d/networking restart
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17:13<vvo>did you find any wlan0 mention in /etc/network/interfaces
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17:14<rustyrobot6>vvo, at first no, later I add it my myself (by tutorial) and now again removed
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17:15<vvo>ok
17:15<vvo>strange
17:15<vvo>trying to configure wifi via /etc/network/interfaces is hard
17:15<vvo>better do it with network manager
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17:16<rustyrobot6>vvo, same result.. I still think that something wrong with drivers or it not fully active or I don't know
17:17<rustyrobot6>I dont remember when last time I came with this problem on other distros
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17:20<ompaul>rustyrobot6: are you saying that wiki.debian.org/wl does not work for you
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18:38<lucas6534>hi
18:39<lucas6534>i need help whit printf
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18:40<dardevelin>lucas6534,hi, elaborate a bit more pls
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18:40<dardevelin>lucas6534, are you talking about C programming ?
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18:42<canaima>hola
18:43<dardevelin>!debian-es
18:43<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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18:53<project2501a>hi, do i make a note about d-i here? or is there a dedicated channel?
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18:54<canaima>hola
18:54<daemonkeeper>project2501a: #debian-boot
18:55<project2501a>got it :)
18:55<project2501a>hey daemonkeeper
18:55<canaima>hola como estas
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18:57<project2501a>canaima: bien. e tu?
18:57<canaima>bn
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18:57<canaima>como te llamas
18:57<project2501a>canaima: estas un Englesh habla channel. sorry my spanish is not really usable.
18:58<project2501a>Inglesh, even.
18:58<cmr>!debian-es
18:58<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
18:58<project2501a>cmr: thanks :)
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19:00<canaima>:-)
19:00<canaima>hola
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19:03<pr0phet> hi, i need help installing grub on a pc partition while booting from an usb drive
19:04<project2501a>pr0phet: no need to repeat the question, pelase
19:04<project2501a>you asked the same question in #debian-boot
19:05<anonym_>hi, does anyone know if debian squeeze has "packet socket", (i need it for wireshark) activated by standart or do I need to do it manually?
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19:11<steinex>anonym_: it is enabled, i don't know any distribution where it isn't
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19:12<roque>hola I`from argentine
19:12<gmarselis_>!debian-es
19:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
19:12<anonym_>ok thank you! I think I figured out my problem. it hat something to do with user permissions and wireshark
19:12<anonym_>*had
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19:13<roque>I do not why I am here
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19:14<roque>I want to talk what can I do here
19:15<roque>is somebody there?
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19:17<dardevelin>!debian
19:17<dpkg>well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
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19:21<canaima>que ases
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19:25<metaperl>on debian/testing a call to gcc leads to """/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s""" ... how can I fix this?
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19:31<ml|>metaperl: ask in #debian-next
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19:53<ubuntu_>anyone around can help me with a lil walk through on some things and answer a couple questions?? BTW HOWDY...
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19:55<babilen>Just ask
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20:00<picapiedra>hola
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20:29<owa>hey, i was wondering howmuch sense it makes to run a socks5 through ssh (tcpforwarding) because its encrypted instead of using some software for it
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20:35<maxb>ssh isn't software? :-)
20:35<daemonkeeper>No. It's a protocol.
20:38<toni>how do I install the cheese in the ubuntu 11:10
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20:39<daemonkeeper>This is not #ubuntu
20:39<toni>ok...
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21:07<Dark_Link>hi i need help getting a wireless tower working
21:07<Dark_Link>its a dwa 130
21:08<Dark_Link>i used dmgmessages
21:08<Dark_Link>[ 73.416222] usb 1-6: USB disconnect, device number 4
21:08<Dark_Link>[ 74.372024] usb 1-6: new high speed USB device number 5 using ehci_hcd
21:08<Dark_Link>[ 74.521303] usb 1-6: New USB device found, idVendor=07d1, idProduct=3c13
21:08<Dark_Link>[ 74.521312] usb 1-6: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
21:08<Dark_Link>[ 74.521319] usb 1-6: Product: 802.11 n WLAN
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21:41<Dark_Link>does any one know how to get rt2870 to work on debian wheezy?
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21:43<sney>wheezy support goes to #debian-next, but if the device is detected and not working you're probably just missing firmware
21:44<Dark_Link>well it didnt work on squeeze for me also :p
21:44<Black_Prince>You probably needed firmware for squeeze, too ...
21:44<Dark_Link>the modprobe says it dosnt exist
21:44<Dark_Link>i did
21:45<Black_Prince>Just do lspci -nn | grep -i net and paste output to pastebin.
21:48<Dark_Link>err
21:48<Dark_Link>it just says my eathernet
21:48<Black_Prince>lspci -nn then, don't pipe it through grep.
21:48<Dark_Link>well i folowed this guide but failed http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta
21:48<Black_Prince>And paste everything to pastebin.
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21:50<Dark_Link>http://pastebin.com/Yd276eVg
21:51<Black_Prince>Erm, is that usb card?
21:51<Dark_Link>yes
21:51<Dark_Link>that didnt show it
21:52<Dark_Link>its a dwa 130
21:52<Black_Prince>then lsusb :)
21:52<Dark_Link>using chipset rt2870sta
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21:53<Dark_Link>http://pastebin.com/WMYHPmRJ
21:53<Black_Prince>usb card would probably use usb, not staging module.
21:53<Dark_Link>yes i know i have a g usb card in there
21:54<sney>!rt2870usb
21:54<sney>!rt2800usb
21:54<dpkg>Ralink 802.11n/g USB chipsets (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072, RT3370, RT3572, RT5370) are supported by the rt2x00 project's rt2800usb driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.31. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb
21:54<Dark_Link>yes i did install firmware-ralink
21:55<Dark_Link>hmm brb im going to try to modprobe rt2800usb
21:56<Dark_Link>no go
21:57<Black_Prince>paste output of dmesg then
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21:59<Dark_Link>http://pastebin.com/Ycy2ABCV
22:00<Black_Prince>So? Looks like it's loaded ...
22:00<Black_Prince>iwlist wlan0 scan
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22:01<Dark_Link>brb unpluging outher router to run that command
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22:02<Dark_Link>wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning.
22:04<Black_Prince>rfkill list
22:04<Dark_Link>bash: rfkill: command not found
22:04<Black_Prince>Install it then :D
22:04<Dark_Link>lol
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22:05<Dark_Link>nuthing happens
22:05<Dark_Link>nuthing
22:06<Dark_Link>the led is not even lighting up on the usb adapter
22:06<Dark_Link>which it should
22:06<Dark_Link>if its scanning
22:06<Dark_Link>or even working at all
22:07<Black_Prince>hm ... ifconfig wlan0 up ?
22:08<Dark_Link>wlan0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
22:08<Dark_Link>wireless tools dosnt see it
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22:11<sney>if you do ifconfig -a what interfaces show up?
22:11<Dark_Link>lsmod gives me http://pastebin.com/c2FR0cxL
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22:12<Black_Prince>rt2800usb should support your card. :-|
22:13<Dark_Link>it gives me eth0 and lo
22:13<Dark_Link>i know
22:13<Dark_Link>it works on fedora
22:13<Dark_Link>out of the box :S
22:13<nixjr>I've just assembled a new PC and have put in a debian install CD. Are there any extra steps or things I need to take into consideration since I'm going to be installing onto an SSD? I'm still at the boot menu right now
22:13<Black_Prince>$ apt-file search rt2870.bin
22:13<Black_Prince>firmware-ralink: /lib/firmware/rt2870.bin
22:14<Black_Prince>Is that file present?
22:14<Dark_Link>i need to install apt-file
22:14<Black_Prince>Don't install it. Just check if /lib/firmware/rt2870.bin is present.
22:15<Dark_Link>yes
22:15<Black_Prince>Try modprobe -r rt2800usb; modprobe rt2800usb
22:15<Black_Prince>And after that paste output of dmesg
22:16<Dark_Link>nuthing happens
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22:17<Black_Prince>Just paste output of dmesg ... And this time more than five lines.
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22:18<Dark_Link>http://pastebin.com/WFNtnBWx
22:19<Dark_Link>the wifi going back up is my outher tower
22:19<Black_Prince>You have two wlan cards?
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22:20<Dark_Link>yes
22:20<Dark_Link>i unpluged my myessentials one when trying to activate my dwa 130
22:21<Dark_Link>i manily use that for my open pandora cause the wifi drivers suck for the internal
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22:22<Dark_Link>thats how im able to install stuff and get on irc
22:22<Black_Prince>hm
22:22<nixjr>I've just assembled a new PC and have put in a debian install CD. Are there any extra steps or things I need to take into consideration since I'm going to be installing onto an SSD? I'm still at the boot menu right now
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22:22<Dark_Link>nixjr, no
22:23<Black_Prince>nixjr, if it's pretty new hardware, it may not recognize your drivers very well. You may need backported kernel during or after installation.
22:23<Dark_Link>if its pluged into a eathernet cable for internet your good to go
22:23<Windrum>hi
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22:24<Dark_Link>as thats my issue with squeeze
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22:24<Dark_Link>that and crashes
22:24<Black_Prince>They backported xorg and kernel stack because of that :P
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22:24<Black_Prince>There are unofficial installation images that use newer kernel
22:25<nixjr>I've heard things about aligning the partitions with the erase block size, don't worry about that?
22:25<Dark_Link>well im happy with wheezy except for one issue
22:27<Dark_Link>looks like i have to ndiswrap them
22:29<Dark_Link>hmm
22:29<Dark_Link>ill try the dis drivers
22:30<Dark_Link>sid
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22:38<nixjr>Since I have 8gb of ram, and I'm using an SSD, can I do without a swap partition?
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22:39<Dark_Link>looks like i still cant use debian
22:39<Dark_Link>ndiswrapingthem failed
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22:41<isra>nixjr > sure can do without many thinks, even the swap on a much smaller machine
22:42<Black_Prince>nixjr, well with that amount of memory, swap can be usefull only for hibernation
22:42<ml|>I would make a 1GB swap just incase
22:43<Dark_Link>if you have 2g of ram you will almost never use a swap file
22:43<ml|>I have 12GB and when things go wrong it gets used :)
22:44<nixjr>I've got another computer with 4gb of ram and I've never seen the swap used, i was thinking about fromt he point fo view of saving wear and tear ont he ssd
22:44<Dark_Link>ya for a ssd dont use a swap file
22:44<Dark_Link>it will kill it
22:45<ml|>place swwap on another drive or is the ssd all you got?
22:45<kop>Dark_Link: No, it won't. People have tried to kill ssds by writing continuously and they don't die.
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22:45<nixjr>ml|, its all i got
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22:45<cybersphinx_>If it's not used anyway it won't wear out anything. If it is used, why pay for an ssd when you won't use it for one of the things where speed matters? Modern ones won't die that easy.
22:45<sney>early SSDs and SSDs with weird firmware did get hit hard by swap
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22:45<kop>Dark_Link: Eventually, yes, but it won't happen in real life.
22:45<Dark_Link>kop, ok in 4 years
22:45<Dark_Link>:p
22:45<Dark_Link>it will die
22:45<sney>4 years is pretty good for a hard drive of any kind.
22:46<nixjr>I guess my knowledge of SSD's is dated lol
22:46<ml|>yep
22:46<Dark_Link>0.0
22:46<Dark_Link>my harddrive has lasted 7 years
22:46<Dark_Link>and still going good
22:46<kop>Meanwhile, swap is useful. It frees up ram for things that matter.
22:46<ml|>nixjr: it is your choice to use swap
22:46<sney>but anyway, if you have significant RAM you won't ever touch swap even if you're using some hog like kde's indexing service
22:46<Dark_Link>but if you play minecraft you will touch it
22:47<kop>Dark_Link: Iv'e drives that are at least 10 years old. And I expect my ssds to live that long too.
22:47<Dark_Link>minecraft can use 8g of ram :s
22:47<Dark_Link>and it sometimes still isnt enouth
22:47<sney>heh, I guess I'm showing my datacenter tech background, high rpm scsi drives get maybe 2 years tops in that environment
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22:48<sney>there are java tweaks one can do to keep minecraft sane, but that's off-topic for here
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22:48<nixjr>Hmm I think ill stick to having a swap, form what you've all said my SSD won't die that easily, plus the swap will probably hardly get touched
22:48<Dark_Link>sney it wont help if ou make a massive tnt railgun :P
22:49<sney>nixjr: better to possibly shorten your SSD's life than to run out of memory. besides, if you back up your important stuff often enough, what's a replacement disk every few years?
22:50<Dark_Link>well the bad thing is ssd cost a lot for their memory
22:50<nixjr>sney, this is my workstation, all my important data is on the file server anyway
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22:50<Dark_Link>which is why i would want to make it last as long as possable
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22:51<Dark_Link>nixjr, how much ram do you have?
22:51<cybersphinx_>nixjr: iostat will show you how much has been written to a device, divide the amount by the uptime in days, and check how long your ssd is supposed to live with that load.
22:51<kop>Dark_Link: They won't cost that much in a few years.
22:51<nixjr>Dark_Link, 8gb
22:52<Dark_Link>wow even with some serious video edditing you wong go past that
22:52<Dark_Link>wont
22:52<nixjr>It's a new PC and ram is relatively cheap, I thought why not
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22:53<Dark_Link>lol for me 4g is 130$ :s
22:53<Dark_Link>so would you ever need a swap file probaly no
22:54<Dark_Link>if it ok to have one with linux? yes as it wont touch it untill it goes over
22:54<Dark_Link>unlike winblows
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22:54<nixjr>yea I've noticed on windows machines no matter how much ram you put in, it still uses the page file
22:55<sney>!swappiness
22:55<dpkg>A number of Linux kernel developers debated "swappiness" - exploring when an application should or should not be swapped out, versus reclaiming memory from the cache. http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 http://kerneltrap.org/node/3202 http://kerneltrap.org/node/3660
22:55<cybersphinx_>Dark_Link: There's a swappiness parameter that is 60 by default I think, the lower it is, the less swap is used.
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22:56<Dark_Link>hmm so 32bit can only use 4g does swap count to that max memory?
22:56<Dark_Link>how does that work lol
22:56<Black_Prince>RAM+SWAP=4GB on 32bit
22:56<Dark_Link>oh wow
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22:57<nixjr>sney, im still amazed how much stuff is programmed into this bot lol
22:57<Black_Prince>dpkg, lol
22:57<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
22:57<Black_Prince>Me too :)
22:57<sney>BUT the current testing kernel (and in backports?) have PAE enabled by default, which allows a 32-bit kernel to address more than the 4GB limit.
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22:57<Dark_Link>ya i know
22:57<sney>individual programs still can't, but overall it's still useful
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22:58<Black_Prince>Well, probably people that have programs that need to allocate more than 4GB of memory would use 64bit system ...ž
22:58<sney>and they would know this going in
22:58<sney>hopefully anyway
22:58<nixjr>Excuse my layman lanugage but I heard on a 32bit system you can have well over 4gb total ram, but no single program can be allocated more then 4gb
22:59<Dark_Link>poor minecraft users :P
22:59<Dark_Link>nixjr, now without pae
22:59<sney>nixjr: that's pae, or bigmem. it's a linux kernel option that allows it to use (I think) up to 16GB
22:59<Black_Prince>nixjr, yes ... as sney mentioned there is PAE
22:59<nixjr>ah ok
22:59<Black_Prince>s/16GB/64GB/
22:59<Dark_Link>32bit windows can only use 3.5 g of ram
22:59<Dark_Link>i think
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22:59<sney>oh it's up to 64 now? ok
22:59<sney>been a long time since I looked at make menuconfig :P
23:00<Dark_Link>and you have to use a ram disk for the rest
23:00<ml|>dpkg: pae
23:00<dpkg>Physical Address Extension (PAE) is an x86 processor feature allowing more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory to be used. Linux supports PAE since version 2.3.23 (up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit systems). PAE is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion and Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; VIA C7 and some others. Ask me about <bigmem>, <686-pae>.
23:00<sney>neat.
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23:00<nixjr>Dark_Link, I had a windows box back in the day where I hit a memory limit (not 4g) that was a combination of my system ram, and my graphics ram
23:01<Dark_Link>hmm
23:01<Black_Prince>Ah yes ... Crazy gamers. "I want more video ram ... I'll borrow from RAM"
23:01<Dark_Link>lol i rember that
23:01<Dark_Link>it was called hyper memory
23:01*Black_Prince prepares for another lol call to dpkg :-|
23:01<nixjr>this had a dedicated graphics card :p
23:02<Black_Prince>I have integrated card ... It's well sharing memory with RAM :-|
23:02<Dark_Link>my old card had 128 mb dedicated then it used 412 mb of my ram
23:02<sney>gpu / framebuffer memory does count towards the 32-bit limit
23:02<Dark_Link>:S
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23:02<Dark_Link>so where can i go to help bring packages to arm prossers
23:03<Dark_Link>arml packages
23:03<Black_Prince>ATI HyperMemory and Nvidia TurboCache .... cool
23:03<ml|>#debian-mentors?
23:03<Dark_Link>debian on the open pandora is missing a few
23:03<Dark_Link>:P
23:03<Black_Prince>#debian-arm ?
23:04<nixjr>sney, it wasnt a 32bit issue because the limit I hit was something like 1.5gb, the next windows service pack raised the limit so I didn't hit it again
23:04<Dark_Link>Black_Prince, have you seen that pocket pc?
23:04<Dark_Link>looks like a nds and a psp mated
23:04<Black_Prince>Dark_Link, no.
23:05<nixjr>seny, it would do stupid things like after booting into windows, I'd tried to open notepad, and it would bring up an out of memory error (problem was I had too much not too little)
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23:05<kop>I like the nanonote, but can't think of what to do with one.
23:05<Dark_Link>lol
23:05<Dark_Link>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CaU9jQQJ1o
23:05<Black_Prince>Agh ... I've seen that windows limits memory according to license.
23:05<Dark_Link>ya
23:06<Dark_Link>its...dumb
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23:06<Black_Prince>Ya need to pay more money if you want to use all of ya memory. <evillaugh> </offtopic>
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23:06<Dark_Link>pay?
23:06<Dark_Link>why not hack?
23:07<Black_Prince>95% people that are using such verision of windows have no clue about that.
23:07<FingerWizard>No offense, but why are you guys talking about windows in #debian?
23:07<Black_Prince>So, MS is at win. Oh well, we went far offtopic here. I'll be back sometimes. Good night.
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23:08<Dark_Link>cause were comparing debian and windows
23:08<FingerWizard>Why?
23:08<Dark_Link>were sowing how much better debian is
23:08<nixjr>FingerWizard, got off topic talking about ram and swap
23:08<Dark_Link>showing
23:08*ml| points to #debian-offtopic
23:08<kop>I want to change my logrotated history filename format to use --dateest. Is there a script anywhere that will do the conversion of my existing log files or do I need to write one? (Off to google....)
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23:09<FingerWizard>no problem, just missed the first half of the conversation :P
23:09*nixjr is installing debian for the first time
23:09<yoshi>Black_Prince, what was the syntax for the adduser command again?
23:10<yoshi>apparently my account isnt on the sudoers
23:10<Dark_Link>visudo?
23:10-!-hoojar [~hoojar@188-220-17-138.dsl.cnl.uk.net] has quit []
23:10<Dark_Link>then go addyourself
23:10<FingerWizard>nixjr: Any ideas on your setup? (Stable, Testing, Unstable)+(Gnome, KDE, XFCE, etc)
23:11<nixjr>FingerWizard, also trying xfce for the first time
23:11<kop>!tell nixjr about overview
23:11<yoshi>Dark_Link, is that /etc/sudoers /etc/init.d/sudo, one of the files in /var/lib/sudo
23:11<Dark_Link>i dont rember
23:12<kop>!tell nixjr about introduction
23:12<Dark_Link>i dont use sudo anymore
23:12<isra>Should be no sweat with the iso made for XFCE
23:12<sney>yoshi: usermod -aG sudo username
23:13<nixjr>isra, I downloaded "debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-DVD-1.iso", it has xfce option during the install, but I'm not sure how to tell if its stable, testing, or unstable
23:13<kop>nixjr: We recommend the netinstall. I always install the bare minimum and the xserver-xorg package and whatever top-level package for my desktop. You might also look at tasksel for installing "stock" sets of packages.
23:13<isra>Mmm not quite the right iso file if you ask me
23:13<ml|>or adduser username groupname
23:14<kop>nixjr: It's stable.
23:14<yoshi>sney, yoshi is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. this is what i get when i try to sudo
23:14<kop>!tell nixjr about stable
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23:14<yoshi>i could log into root and run it that way but i woud rather not
23:14<isra>i agree, netinstall with standard desktop, squeeze just works, easy to install, good support here, many packages. Doesnt get much better
23:14<sney>yoshi: you need to log out and log back in
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23:15<yoshi>sney, ah well that will have to wait have something installing at the moment
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23:16<nixjr>kop, besides the install method, what's the difference between a system installed with the dvd i mentioned earlier, and one via netinstall?
23:17<sney>number of packages available offline
23:17<sney>otherwise nothing
23:17<sney>it's the same OS
23:17<ml|>yoshi: does your /etc/sudoers have this.. %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL ?
23:18<FingerWizard>nixjr: a netinstall will already come with the latest updates, where you'll have to start with stable and upgrade to testing/unstable
23:18<nixjr>ah i see
23:18<kop>FingerWizard: No. The stock netinstall installs stable too.
23:18<sney>please do not encourage new users to use testing/unstable
23:19<kop>nixjr: We recommend stable to newcomers.
23:19<ml|>yep
23:19<yoshi>ml|, no it has root ALL=(ALL) ALL
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23:20<FingerWizard>I'm just saying the option is only available on the netinstall cd as opposed to the stock debian offline cd
23:20<yoshi>FingerWizard, yeah but netinstall doesnt always work for everyone
23:21<ml|>yoshi: I'm not sure adding yourself to the sudo group will work then
23:21<FingerWizard>yoshi: true.
23:21<yoshi>ml|, can i not just add tat line to the file?
23:22<ml|>not sure I use testing, but you can do it another way
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23:22<kop>Ok. So I can't find a conversion script. If I write one in python can this be included in the logrotate package so that in a way that gives the user the choice to change to --dateext and automatically converts existing log files? Or will something like that need to be written in perl/shell according to policy? (I'll probably write it in python anyway and people can run it out of /usr/share/doc/logrotate*/contrib/ or something. But I'm curious.)
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23:22<yoshi>ml|, and that is?
23:23<ml|>yoshi: do you have /etc/sudoers.d/ ?
23:23<yoshi>ml|, yes
23:23<kop>In other words, there's sometimes conversion scripts that get run during upgrades. Is python a choice for those?
23:24<mewerner_arand>kop: You'd likely have to aks the maintainer for logrotate ;)
23:24<ml|>yoshi: then create /etc/sudoers.d/10_local and add you user there
23:25<kop>mewerner_arand: Yeah. I already added to the existing bug report. It'd obviously be up to him to include it. But I'm under the impression that there's debian policy regarding these sorts of scripts.
23:25<yoshi>ml|, just vi /etc/sudoers.d/10_local and put my name in it?
23:26<ml|>visudo /etc/sudoers.d/10_local and add a line just like root's but with your username instead
23:26<kop>!sudoers
23:26<yoshi>i actually dont have a visudo command
23:26<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". For lenny, you can use <visudo> to add 'your_username ALL=(ALL) ALL'. See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information.
23:28<ml|>kop: hmm, and that will work even tho yoshi does not have.. %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL in /etc/sudoers ?
23:28<kop>ml|: Probably not. But I forget the details. (And have not been following the conversation. Why wouldn't he have that?)
23:29<ml|>dunno, what he said
23:29<yoshi>kop, dont know but it isnt there i have some other line
23:29<yoshi>root ALL=(ALL) ALL
23:29<kop>yoshi: What version of debian?
23:29<nixjr>install complete and sitting at xfce desktop ... that was pretty easy and painless even for this ubuntu noob
23:29<ml|>yoshi: visudo as root?
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23:30<yoshi>ml|, wow that worked
23:30<ml|>I assumed squeeze ;)
23:30<ml|>yoshi: what did?
23:30<yoshi>kop, and well i installed of the stable image downloaded 3 weeks ago and recently updated the kernel
23:30<yoshi>and yes squeeze
23:31<yoshi>ml|, visudo in a root terminal when i tried it in a non root it didnt do anything
23:31<ml|>ah, right
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23:31<yoshi>so do i change the line in my sudoers file or do something else?
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23:32<kop>ml|: I don't have it either, and am running squeeze too. Yet that's what the factoid says....
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23:33<ml|>kop: just asking since I don't use squeeze and said ... < ml|> yoshi: I'm not sure adding yourself to the sudo group will work then
23:33<FingerWizard>nixjr: Congrats!
23:34<ml|>so now I know I guess
23:34<ml|>yoshi: change to a tty and login and try running a sudo command then
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23:35<yoshi>ml|, that works
23:35<kop>ml|: Dunno. Haven't tried the sudoers group, but am not all that interested... (Dunno how it'd work without the % line in the config....)
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23:36<ml|>kop: right that is why I'm asking :)
23:36<kop>yoshi: I prefer 'su'. It's more secure because breaking into a user account does not then grant root access.
23:36<nixjr>FingerWizard, thank you :) I'm now attempting this http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/13/automatically-log-into-xfce-without-a-login-manager/
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23:37<ml|>yoshi: then you are set, you don't need to do what I said about /etc/sudoers.d/
23:37<yoshi>kop, well my normal pass is 12 digits long alpha numeric it wouldnt be easy to break into anyway
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23:37*ml| prefers su also
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23:38<yoshi>yeah but i'm worried tat installed files will then require admin permissions to be altered
23:38<yoshi>because su techinically makes your terminal a root
23:38<nixjr>I've heard the su/sudo thing its one fo the differences I'll encounter in debian when transitioning form ubuntu
23:38<kop>yoshi: sudo makes you root too.
23:39<ml|>yoshi: when done logout :)
23:39<yoshi>kop, but it seems to operate differently then just going root
23:39<kop>nixjr: It's more personal taste than anything, although there can be reasons to use one or the other.
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23:39<yoshi>yes my root password is much more secure
23:39<netzsooc>do you know why when I type "alt+[f1]" it goes to tty1 then "alt+[f7]" to X as expected and then "alt+[f1]" just gets me a black screen?
23:39<kop>yoshi: Differently how?
23:40<kop>netzsooc: In X you need ctrl-alt-f1.
23:40<yoshi>kop, well i have used su to run an executable and the files/folder it generated were root permed that has never happened with sudo
23:40<kop>netzsooc: alt-f1 is probably doing some xfce-thing.
23:41<kop>yoshi: Sounds strange to me, but then I don't use sudo. The whole point is to be root.
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23:41<netzsooc>kop no need, but it should work, it was working until last dist-upgrade and now I don't know how to downgrade :S lack of reading :/
23:41<yoshi>kop, whole point of sudo is to get something done thats above user privs without being root
23:41<kop>yoshi: Like create files?
23:42<netzsooc>and also it doesn't work to any non graphic tty
23:42<netzsooc>I mean from 1-6
23:42<admini>can someone help me?
23:42<kop>!tell admini about ask
23:42<yoshi>kop, like force-reload say alsa or yeah create a file in some folders
23:42<kop>dpkg seems dead-ish.
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23:42<kop>admini: You just ask.
23:42<admini>how can u start 2 xsessions
23:43<ml|>yes dpkg is lost ATM ;)
23:43<admini>i mean kde and gdm simultaneously
23:44<kop>admini: You'd configure them to run on different a different vt than the default.
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23:45<nixjr>Sorry for this noob question, what is the equivalent of the synaptic package manager in ubuntu, but for debian/xfce?
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23:45<kop>admini: gdm3 starts X. You'd need to look at how to configure (or alternately, kdm) on vt8 instead of the default vt7. I've a line in /etc/inittab that looks like: 8:23:respawn:/usr/bin/X :0 vt8 -query mofo.meme.com -layout "Single Head Layout" But that's for X as a thin client without a dm.
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23:46<FingerWizard>nixjr: Synaptic package manager is the same across debian, but there is a 'Software Sources' which is similar to Ubuntu Software Center
23:46<isra>nixjr > in stable with gnome its just called synaptic package manager, have u searched for that one
23:46<FingerWizard>*'Software Center', sorry
23:47<yoshi>kop, heck last i checked you cant even chmod +x something without su or sudo. but if you chmod something as su then it's perms are for root no?
23:47<nixjr>isra, im using xfce not gnome, do all the DE's have it?
23:47<kop>yoshi: If you chmod as root you can always change the permission bits. But chmod never changes the user/group.
23:47<ml|>chmod +x should work as a user if you have rights to the file
23:48<bartm>how to recognize what's in cvs and what's in svn on http://anonscm.debian.org/ ?
23:48<kop>nixjr: You can run any app in any DM. The DMs just do stuff like taskbars and applets.
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23:48<FingerWizard>nixjr: All Debian flavors use Synaptic Package Manager, regardless of dwm
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23:49<nixjr>ah ok
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23:49<aussa>hi, do you know an easy way to type special characters?
23:49<netzsooc>FingerWizard I have no Synaptic installed
23:49<kop>admini: You probably want to use startx.
23:49<isra>One should really have all versions of debian running in virtualboxes to provide better support.
23:49<yoshi>kop, but if you chmod +x something in root doesnt it execute for root only?
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23:49<netzsooc>$ synaptic
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23:49<netzsooc>bash: synaptic: command not found
23:50<admini>ya something like startx -kde
23:50<admini>or startx -gdm
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23:51<kop>yoshi: That would allow anyone to execute. the owning user, the owning group, and the world.
23:51<ml|>yoshi: *as root, nope
23:51<yoshi>hmmmm
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23:51<kop>admini: startx runs programs. You'd startx the dm and tell the X server to run on a given vt. But startx is just shorthand for running X so if startx won't do it X will give you more options.
23:51<kop>!tell yoshi about permissions
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23:54<isra>Maybe a bit ot. But do i have to recompile xcache when a ph5 core update comes out ?
23:54<ml|>dpkg: qotd232
23:54<dpkg><bsssh> 4 is read, 2 - write, 1 - execute. According to UNIX god runs this world(777), yet devil can only read and write(666) >:P
23:57<aussa>hi, do you know an easy way to type special characters?
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23:59<kop>aussa: You might try using debtags to search. (Or see the <search> factoid.)
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