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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-10-31

---Logopened Mon Oct 31 00:00:44 2011
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00:20<netzsooc>hi guys, I am having troubles with video... but I don't know where the problems are... I did sudo tasksel and selected the Debian desktop environment the ssh server and the laptop options to install and now I am not able to listen to any media sound and the video is going way fast... any idea on what could be it?
00:21<alazare619>whats the default debian live cd password?
00:21<alazare619>for root
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00:33<kenyon>netzsooc: you'll have to be more specific. these sound like unrelated problems to your tasksel.
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00:35<Dark_Link>hi i need a little help
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00:35<Dark_Link>so the rt2870 drivers dont work with wpa 2 networks on debian squeeze
00:36<Dark_Link>i cant seem to compile them from the source with wpa supplement on
00:36<Dark_Link>any ideas?
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00:36<netzsooc>kenyon how can I be more specific? what is being needed?
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00:37<kenyon>netzsooc: what do you mean "video is going way fast"
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00:37<kenyon>netzsooc: what program are you using to play the videos, what format are the videos
00:38<Dark_Link>oh never mind
00:38<Dark_Link>im missing the headers
00:38<kenyon>netzsooc: did video playback work fine before you did tasksel
00:40<kenyon>Dark_Link: you probably don't really need to compile that yourself. /msg dpkg rt2870
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00:41<netzsooc>ok well in youtube videos (I watch them with Iceweasel and non-free flashplugin installed) go like 2X and no sound. I use mplayer and smplayer to open avi videos and mkv and ogv and the same, no sound and speed goes like 2x. Before tasksel the video was fine...
00:42<kenyon>alazare619: try asking in #debian-live. they really need to document the default login information, if it's not obvious at boot.
00:43<netzsooc>Dark_link I had that proble, but gone away when installing sid ;)
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01:07<Guest15279>hi i need help with connecting my dwa 130 chipset rt2870 to a wpa2 network
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01:21<ml|>alazare619: it should have no password, you can set one or use sudo -i
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01:25<aussa>hi, say I had squeeze installed in my laptop and the cd drive was working, then I installed wheeze and did not test the cd drive, say one day I dropped the laptop inside its sleeve, and then one day I needed to read a CD and it didn't worked, is there a way I could test the optical drive is still working?
01:27<aussa>could it be because of wheezy?
01:28<kenyon>it could also be a hardware problem if you dropped the laptop and damaged it
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01:34<nixjr>how to i open .deb files? theres nothing associated with them
01:36<kenyon>nixjr: what do you want to do with it? you can extract with dpkg-deb,
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01:50<nixjr>kenyon, ah ok, i presumed you could double click to install them
01:51<kenyon>!tell nixjr about gdebi
01:51<aussa>kenyon, yes I know, I just want to know if there is a way to check is the hardware is damaged before I disassembly the laptop
01:53<kenyon>aussa: see if you get any errors in your system logs when you try to use the hardware
01:55<nixjr>kenyon, fantastic, just what i was after
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02:18<ml|>nixjr: what is it you are installing? not a good idea to install random debs
02:18<nixjr>opera browser
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02:20<wwewe>how do I install nvidia 96xx legacy drivers and which packages for it do I install
02:20<wwewe>I'm doing it for wheezy but it isn't workin yaw
02:21<ml|>nixjr: oh, but if you want to install opera better to add the needed repo for opera to /etc/apt/sources.list or make a file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
02:22<ml|>wwewe: /msg dpkg nvidia the wiki should get you going
02:23<nixjr>ml|, ill look inot that thanks
02:24<ml|>nixjr: that way, you get updates using apt*
02:26<wwewe>some of the new wheezy packages are not working, and I removed a lot of packages because of that
02:26<wwewe>do I need to change my zorg.conf in any way
02:28<kenyon>you probably shouldn't even have an xorg.conf
02:28<ml|>wwewe: should ask in #debian-next
02:28<ml|>an xorg.conf is needed for nvidia and ati drivers non-free
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02:30<kenyon>oh, I use free radeon drivers
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02:31<ml|>not needed for you :)
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02:42<yobo>hello, when I login here it says that "channel logs:" but there are the logs from the #debian channel of the, are there any logs for this channel?
02:43<gsimmons>dpkg: irclog
02:43<dpkg>[irclog] #debian on <freenode> is logged at , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at
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02:49<yobo>gsimmons: thank you
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04:44<karl-augustt>ok what about your language
04:44<karl-augustt>me I speak english
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04:49<karl-augustt>I HELLO every body
04:49<karl-augustt>what about today
04:52<dpkg>somebody said debian was See
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04:57<karl-augustt>ok what about your projects for debian
04:58<karl-augustt>me I 'm thinking about another
04:58<karl-augustt>OS system
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04:58<karl-augustt>using debian package
04:58<karl-augustt>I have to work very hard
04:59<karl-augustt>to come on
04:59<karl-augustt>do you think something about?
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05:02<Bushmills>there are a gazillion derivatives of debian. with yours, there'll be a gazillion-plus-one
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05:02<Bushmills>good luck. please make sure your users ask questions in your irc channel, and not on #debian
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05:33<summ>hi, I tried to install debian with the netinstall CD. The installation ran smoothly from the beginning to the end, but it wasnt able to install grub. I now inserted the CD again and went into rescue mode. The problem is that I created the system on a LVM partition and its completely. I was able to decrypt them in rescue mode but im not sure what device should be the root system. I need to reinstall grub. Shall i use /dev/sdbx oder /dev/
05:33<summ>*its completely encrypted (line 3)
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05:35<Bushmills> /dev/sda or /dev/sdb is where the MBR would sit in first sectors. you'd need a valid MBR there. installing the bootstrap portion of grub is one option
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05:36<Bushmills>installing grub to sdbx or sdbx requires you do install an MBR on sda or sdb which can work as chain loader, falling through to boot loader on sdax or sdbx
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05:39<babilen>summ: You will need an unencrypted /boot at least
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05:41<summ>at the moment i can access the whole encrypted hard drive. Or do you mean there has to be absolutely no encryption to do that?
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05:45<summ>Which program runs first? Grub or that encryption tool? Does it decrypt the harddrive and then starts grub like it was on a normal unencrypted harddrive?
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05:49<babilen>summ: grub (bbl)
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05:50<nevyn>summ: grub doesn't know enough to decrypt a dm-crypt lvm vg aiui
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05:53<summ>thanks for the help. I think would be best I just install the whole system again. I have no data on the harddrive so it would take only a bit time.
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05:54<summ>but installing grub for dm-crypt seems to be a bigger issue and i dont know very much about grub (at the moment) ;)
05:54<nevyn>so you need a partition outside the dm-crypt that has the grub second stage and the kernel and initrd on it
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05:58<rg>I have a debian box as a diskless server, root mounted over NFS
05:59<rg>Sometimes the NFS server is rebooted/etc, and at that times a manual reboot of the debian box is required
06:00<rg>Would there be some way so that the NFS connection is automagically restored
06:00<rg>Or that at least the box automatically reboots
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06:02<rg>I can't even issue a "reboot" from an already existing telnet or ssh connection as that command itself resides on the nfs share
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06:47<baron0>hello everyone, how do i get NetworkManager to save wifi passphrases in GNOME keyring instead of /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ ??
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06:47<baron0>Moreover it's stored in plaintext
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06:48<baron0>Using wheezy, nm 0.9.0-2
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06:49<babilen>baron0: AIUI that happens if you don't make the connection available to all users. Note that your network connection will be terminated whenever you logout or X is not working for another reason.
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06:52<baron0>babilen: for now when i try to connect to a network, it asks for my password via policykit, and stores my passphrase in these files. I just want the users to setup their own network connections and store the passphrases in their keyring.
06:52<baron0>I understand the password is needed for system-wide connections, but that's not what i want.
06:53<themill>baron0: don't mark the connection as a "system" connection then
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06:55<baron0>I did not. It looks like it's the default: select a network in the list > click > password needed.
06:55<themill>I've never used the gnome frontend so I can't tell you any more about that
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06:58<baron0>strange. it did not behave like this until recently... upgrade bug?
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07:07<shanks>I have a question. How can I find out if OpenGL is working in Debian? I have a virtualbox Guest (Fedora, I just want to have a play with GNOME 3) on a Debian host (my stable system). I can't for the life of me get GNOME 3 working without it working in fallback mode. And so maybe it's just a case of my graphics card not being good enough or maybe the Host OS not using the correct driver or something?
07:08<shanks>I seem to recall that one could run glxgears or something like that..
07:08<nevyn>shanks: virtualisation and gl accelerations is umm horrific
07:10<shanks>nevyn: eek. I did look on the virtualbox fora and also the fedora ones. It looks like if you're running vbox >= 4.0.8 and enable 3D aceleration in the vbox settings you *should* be able to get it working. but i've been unsuccessful. am I better off just installing it native then? I'd have a bit of a problem since I told debian to use the entire disk. I am using LVM so maybe I can shrink the pv to reclaim physical space so I can fdisk a partition.. but that's a b
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07:11<shanks>maybe I should just run a live-cd or something. i only want to have a play with it for a bit. I still want Debian as my primary stable system.. this is just for a peek at the future
07:11<nevyn>livecd definitly
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07:24<linkage>hello. When i generate a file2 from a tail -f/-F file1 >> file2, modifying file2 just ends the tail -f effects... how to avoid this ?
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07:32<urt>linkage: cuz the file is in use?
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07:36<linkage>urt : the file can be modify though...
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07:40<linkage>urt yes it can
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07:58<xun>is it possible to import ssh configs from other files than .ssh/config (like have an entry like import .ssh/otherconfig)
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08:01<wompa>xun, there is the -F flag... "ssh -F file", but I'm not sure if that is the usecase you are after
08:01<xun>no, not really, but almost :D
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08:02<xun>would be nice to separate the configs for school work from the private and work ones, for example
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08:03<Wak>Just a quick one. What would you suggest i pick during netinstall ? LVm og the first option ?
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08:04<wompa>xun, if you use gnome you could create application launchers for each ssh-session, all with its own config, or perhaps in .bashrc create alias for sshschool, etc.
08:04<Wak>Whats the reason for picking lvm over non-lvm setup, i dont plan to move any partiions around
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08:04<urt>anyone know why `pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0` works on the command line but not in my makefile? gcc file.c `pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0`
08:04<shanks>Wak: LVM is quite useful. Though I imagine a lot of people don't ever play around with the logical volumes
08:05<Wak>Thats the thing, i wont be playing around with them. So im not sure its needed
08:05<shanks>Wak: LVM allows you to resize and re-layout your partitions later on once you know how big you need them to be (which you might not know until you've installed and played around a bit)
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08:05<shanks>Wak: if you're not going to play around and you know that for a fact then you may as well use the guided non-LVM option
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08:06<Wak>Thanks. Been reinstalling and testing 20-30 times so i know what im going to need
08:06<shanks>Wak: you can still reszie partitions without LVM it's just a bit more messy
08:06<Wak>yeah i know
08:07<xun>wompa, yeah, that might work, but its not really what Im after, thanks though
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08:07<shanks>LVMs are quite useful for making consistent backups as well. Something else to bear in mind. Via its Snapshot feature
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08:08<Wak>shanks < should i worry when my host takes daily backups of the kvm image ?
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08:12<Bushmills>yes, daily backups are highly dangerous, especially when needed
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08:12<ompaul>Wak: how big is the kvm?
08:13<ompaul>the question leads to - how much time do you need to restore
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08:15<Wak>ompaul > its 25gb
08:16<ompaul>Wak: so the changes to the system are they mostly user data?
08:16<ompaul>or lots of systems things
08:17<Wak>yeah its a phpbb forum, with mysql changes daily. or if users upload a new avatar, backup is taken 05.00 local time when there is usually no users online
08:18<ompaul>so you have multiple choices
08:19<ompaul>take an image now, take a db dump refill the db from that dump rsync changed sources files and make sure you keep dpkg.log so you know exactly what was installed or just trust the kvm daily
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08:20<ompaul>Wak: sorry, implied in there is restore the kvm on non production but have it ready to deploy
08:20<Wak>Im paying for the kvm backup, how he does it im not sure, but 11yr in buisness, he should know what he is doing.
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08:21<ompaul>Wak: how valuable to you is your phpbb box
08:21<ompaul>that is the only question that drives your correct reaction
08:22<ompaul>you can outsource the problem, but you still take the blame :)
08:22<Wak>Its very valuable it contains a 10yr old forum with 12K members and 1M posts
08:22<Wak>Sure i know that
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08:23<ompaul>Wak: some people don't have those thoughts until after an event
08:23<Wak>I do take a manual myqldumper backup weekly and all the files via ftp. But i might go traveling so the kvm backup has to work. The fact that is done while nobody is wrting to the server makes me a bit more safe
08:23<Wak>in 10yrs we have had events were a backup was needed. So its not new to me at all
08:24<Wak>But if he does a cp kvm.img kvm_backup31_10_2011.img at 05.00 were nobody is online and it onlt takes 20 sec for that command to run, what can be bad with the backup ?
08:25<ompaul>do it yourself at that time and do a compare
08:25<ompaul>supposing he copies it to a disk that is about to get really flaky
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08:26<Wak>Its copied to a server in another datacenter
08:26<Wak>Sure, should have done a restore test before the vps became public with our site,. but lets hope it wont get needed
08:27<ompaul>if you don't test it you got no idea
08:27<ompaul>and I guess you can live with that outcome
08:29<Zaba>you need to back up VM images while the VM is paused if you want a reasonable result
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08:33<Wak>I will contact my hosts and ask him if its posible to take a usefull backup when the vm is not paused. im sure he will say yes it is, but hopefully he will have some proof to back it up with
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08:34<shanks>I have a question about accelerated gl. When I boot up , in the messages that fly past (dmesg?), it mentions something about 915i symbols and 'graphics turbo' disabled. What does this mean and is it a problem? does it mean accelerated gl is disabled ?
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08:35<hever>Does a tool exist, that allows me to recursive diff files?
08:35<Bushmills>shanks: glxinfo should tell. intel 8xx or 9xx are mediocre, at the best, with actual accelaration
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08:37<Bushmills>hever: find in conjunction with -exec diff
08:37<hever>Bushmills, I've to compare a backup and a current folder and I need to get all differences
08:38<Bushmills>maybe generate hashes, compare those
08:38<hever>but I wanna see the diffs ;)
08:39<Bushmills>find, in conjunction with diff, it is then
08:39<Bushmills>though you could still diff the files with different hashes
08:40<shanks>Bushmills: OK.. so basically the acceleration won't do much anyway. What am I looking for in glxinfo?
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08:40<Bushmills>for whether and what provides gl
08:40<shanks>Bushmills: super. thanks.
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08:43<hever>Bushmills, I found kdiff3
08:43<hever>that works great
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08:53<nounuorson>bonjour :) je ne comprend pas pourquoi je n'arrive pas à configurer les effets de bureau :(
08:53<cthuluh>!fr > nounuorson
08:53<cthuluh>dpkg: heh
08:53<dpkg>Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such.
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08:54<simonlnu>cthuluh: !tell nick about factoid
08:54<nounuorson>merci dpkg :)
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08:54<simonlnu>or just !fr
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08:54<cthuluh>simonlnu: ah right ; thanks
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10:18<Prins>If I want to control a desktop computer from somewhere else, I would be using VPN. Correct?
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10:19<koollman>Prins: vpn is useful to connect 'privately'. For control, you need some program to connect to. Like ssh. Or perhaps vnc
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10:19<Prins>Oh yeah! I think it was VNC I was thinking about :)
10:19<Prins>Thank you
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11:22<zackxu>where are you from
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11:23<babilen>zackxu, Guest15313: Do you have a Debian related question? Please note that this is not a general chat channel and that you most likely want a different network or at least one of the offtopic/chat channels. #moocows and #debian-offtopic come to mind.
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12:00<tsnovo>some one can help me
12:01<linkage>how do i use variables in ed command ? (need syntax please)
12:01<FingerWizard>tsnovo: ask away
12:01<tsnovo>i bought my pc on the shoping mall
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12:02<tsnovo>how can i discover my user wordfish
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12:04<tsnovo>FingerWizard, did you understand
12:04<FingerWizard>tsnovo: You bought a PC from a store.
12:05<jhutchins_lt>tsnovo: Is it running Debian?
12:05<FingerWizard>tsnovo: what are you asking?
12:05<tsnovo>sorry i don't speak English very well
12:05<FingerWizard>tsnovo: no problem, take your time
12:06<tsnovo>i don't know if is or not running how can i discover
12:06<grove>There are debian help channels in a lot of language, if you tell us what you native language is maybe we can redirect you
12:07<tsnovo>i want to discover my swordfish and user
12:08<tsnovo>i know that exist a chanel in my language but they are not answering me
12:08<tsnovo>so how can i do
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12:08<FingerWizard>tsnovo: You can find your username by locating your 'home' folder and seeing what the user file is named
12:09<sney>ctcp version reports a debian-like version string and the current wheezy kernel. I doubt computer sellers are shipping with wheezy so maybe it's mint
12:10<tsnovo>and the swordfish:
12:10<sney>what do you mean swordfish
12:10<FingerWizard>swordfish = password?
12:10<jhutchins_lt>tsnovo: swordfish isn't translating properly.
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12:10<tsnovo>okay sorry
12:11<jhutchins_lt>Pretty much the same method as if you were hacking into a stolen system.
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12:11<tsnovo> how can i do this
12:11<FingerWizard>tsnovo: if a root password is in place you might just want to reinstall. I suggest debian ;)
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12:12<FingerWizard>jetset: Hello :)
12:13<jetset>I have a question. My irssi bugged out and when I tried to relaunch it it gave me some error related to perl.
12:13<jetset>So, I try to update perl, and now i'm getting this error:
12:13<jetset>E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on perl
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12:14<jordanm>jetset: how did you update perl? the perl related error was likely just a bad plugin
12:14<jetset>any suggestions? i read some bug tickets, and it seems like
12:14<jetset>jordanm: apt-get -f install
12:14<jordanm>jetset: that doesn't update. that attempts to fix broken packages. your perl was already broken? what release are you running?
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12:15<jetset>er, excuse my ignorance; how do i find that out?
12:16<jhutchins_lt>jetset: What release is the base system?
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12:16<jordanm>jetset: cat /etc/debian_version
12:17<jordanm>jetset: actually, just pastebin "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy perl libc6"
12:18<FingerWizard>jetset: try removing and then reinstalling perl. It's not the cleanest method, but it should work.
12:19<jhutchins_lt>tsnovo: The proper way would be to ask the person who sold it to you what the username and password are, and what OS it's running.
12:19<jetset>i'm ssh'ing into a machine at a friend's house.
12:19<jhutchins_lt>tsnovo: If they don't know, you could try using a live CD to look at what's on the disk.
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12:20<jordanm>jetset: he is running sid (unstable)
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12:20<jhutchins_lt>jetset: Frankendebian! It's OK, they broke the system by mixing unstable with oldstable, and you helped by trying to update a broken system.
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12:21<jetset>how can i patch it up and make it beautiful again?
12:21<jetset>my friend just gave me sudo, i don't want to have to bug him about fixing this.
12:21<jhutchins_lt>jetset: They should not have given you access to it without warning you that it was unstable.
12:21<jetset>i had no idea.
12:21<jetset>this is my first time working with debian, my 2nd time using linux regularly at all.
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12:23<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
12:23<jhutchins_lt>!partial downgrade
12:23<dpkg>This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' See <not available>
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12:24<jetset>oh, i'm scared. :(
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12:24<jhutchins_lt>jetset: I would make note of the EXACT commands you used and tell your friend what happened rather than poking around trying to fix it. You are more likely to break more stuff.
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12:26<jhutchins_lt>jetset: If this system were mine, I would back up any data on it and do a clean install of squeeze.
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12:26<jetset>man, i'd hate to make him do work on it.
12:26<FingerWizard>jhutchins_lt: I agree.
12:26<jetset>i'll talk to him about it; thanks for the insight.
12:26<jhutchins_lt>jetset: If I couldn't do that, I would change the sources.list to squeeze, eliminate lenny and sid, update it, and wait for it to gradually sort it out.
12:27<jetset>can i do that remotely?
12:27<jhutchins_lt>jetset: It's his fault, mixing unstable with a production system is not a good idea, and letting someone who doesn't know Debian try to work on a system that has unstable on it is just dumb.
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12:27<sney>squeeze is frozen so it won't "gradually sort out"
12:27<jhutchins_lt>jetset: You can do the second one remotely, but it would be a significant change to the system and I wouldn't do it without asking him first.
12:28<sney>gotta do wheezy really
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12:28<jhutchins_lt>jetset: In fact, I wouldn't do ANYTHING at this point without telling him what happened and asking him what he wants you to do.
12:28<FingerWizard>jetset: it's his fault for not using stable, but try downgrading (as jhuntchins_lt says)
12:28<abdulkarim>real media files not working on SID :(
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12:28<sney>!broken in sid
12:28<dpkg>Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>, <break>.
12:29<jhutchins_lt>sney: I had a system that had oldstable, stable, testing, and unstable on it.
12:29<babilen>jetset: What is this box used for? Is downtime acceptable? How can you gain access to it?
12:29<jhutchins_lt>sney: I set all the sources to stable and it sorted itself out pretty well.
12:29<babilen>jetset: What about backups? How recent are they? How easy is it to restore them and do you or your friend have experience with that?
12:29<jetset>babilen: it's just a box at my friend's house that i ssh into from work.
12:29<sney>jhutchins_lt: but it wouldn't upgrade anything to a lower version automatically
12:29<jetset>for the occasional proxy and irc.
12:29<jhutchins_lt>sney: Setting it to testing allows the probability of more breakage in the future.
12:30<abdulkarim>real media files not working on SID :(
12:30<jetset>and in the future as a little sandbox to hold my musings.
12:30<babilen>jetset: What is it used for? Does it host important services or is it your friend's very own desktop machine?
12:30<sney>abdulkarim: yes, lots of things don't work in sid.
12:30<jetset>babilen: i don't believe so.
12:30<jetset>nothing important to my knowledge, i'm definitely going to ask him before i do anything.
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12:31<jhutchins_lt>The fact that it's currently lenny/sid would mean that going to squeeze might work out.
12:32<jhutchins_lt>jetset: Again, I would check with the friend, explain what happened, and ask him if it's alright to change it to squeeze.
12:32<babilen>jetset: I would use wheezy in the sources.list and wait until it gradually sorts itself out. Another strategy would be to try to attempt to downgrade all packages to wheezy, which can be done by pinning wheezy to a priority >= 1001 (/msg dpkg pinning) and running "apt-get dist-upgrade" -- That might, or might not work. The third, probably best, safest and most labour-intensive solution is to install squeeze and restore data/configuration from ...
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12:32<Bushmills>SID = Space Intruder Detector?
12:32<babilen>... backups.
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12:33<babilen>jhutchins_lt: AFAICT some quite important packages are from sid already ... I wouldn't really expect a downgrade to squeeze to be feasible
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12:34<jhutchins_lt>I would TRY squeeze first, and investigate which packages actually were from sid, and possibly manually downgrade those.
12:35<jhutchins_lt>If that didn't work, go for wheezy or a clean install.
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12:39<babilen>jetset: Could you download , source it, run "show_release_package_count" and paste the output to please?
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12:40<jetset>babilen: i uh.
12:40<jetset>don't know how to download files from the command line.
12:40*jetset embarrassed.
12:40<grove>Try `wget <url>`
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12:41<babilen>jetset: "wget -O list_repositories ; source list_repositories ; show_release_package_count"
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12:41<jetset>thank you guys for your patience.
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12:48<babilen>Hmm, that is not that bad, but given that libc6 is among those 40 packages from sid. :-/ -- Could you run "list_repositories | grep sid" please ... (argh, horrible bug there, /me should fix that script./finally rewrite it in python)
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12:52<jetset>babilen: ^
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12:53<jankidudel>does anyone have been installed webmin on Debian 5 successfully ?
12:53<jankidudel>whether anyone have been installed webmin on Debian 5 successfully ?
12:53<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see . The Debian package from is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives.
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12:57<babilen>jetset: thank you -- Having perl-base from sid is far from idea, but the rest is not really problematic. You might want to purge a fair share of those packages (bc, bitlbee, emacsen-common, ...), run "apt-get --purge autoremove" afterwards, remove sid from the sources.list and follow the release notes for an upgrade to squeeze.
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12:57<babilen>jetset: That might or might not work though :-/
12:57<babilen>Second opinions?
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12:59<cl>Hi. Is there a way to install glibc 2.4 in debian etch?
12:59<babilen>jetset: I'd purge "bc, bitlbee, emacsen-common, keyutils, par2, ptunnel, samba*, toilet*, tweak, winbind" (apt-get purge PKG1..PKGN) -- follow up with "apt-get --purge autoremove" and go from there.
13:00<babilen>jetset: Most libraries from sid might be purged due to that (or at least that is my hope) -- The only thing that worries me is the perl-base version. Is the system running OK right now?
13:00<jetset>i'll make a note of this, but again i don't want to keep doing this in case my friend objects.
13:01<babilen>jetset: Sure, but it is of uttermost importance for the survival of mankind that this box is put into a consistent state. Failure to do so will doom us all!
13:01<grove>cl: Debian etch hasn't been supported for more than two and a half years
13:01<jetset>you're my hero babilen
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13:03<jetset>ooh, he says he's going to be replacing the machine soon
13:03<jetset>i might just mess with it for the learning experience
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13:04<FingerWizard>jetset: Might as well have a go at it
13:04<cl>grove: yeah, I know. But the development pc's in my company are still sporting debian etch. Because of an Apache 1.3 that has to work. :(
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13:05<babilen>jetset: Ok, proceed as I suggested. Upgrade to squeeze by following and enjoy the learning experience. I would suggest to perform this operation within a screen session.
13:05<FingerWizard>jetset: Also I would recommend trying out Debian in a VM and seeing if it tickles your fancy enough to dual-boot with it
13:05<babilen>Oooh, it will.
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13:06<FingerWizard>bailen: :P
13:07<themill>egads... does apache 1.3 still receive security support from anyone?
13:07<jetset>why debian over any other distro?
13:07<jetset>i'm curiuos.
13:08<themill>!why debian
13:08<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also (archived at . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
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13:11<grove>cl: Okay, but I doubt anyone actually remembers that much about etch
13:12<jankidudel>ant you told me webmin is "insecure......."
13:12<jankidudel>what do you use yourself for web server control panel ?
13:12<grove>jankidudel: ssh
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13:13<themill>jankidudel: you'll find few people in here who use anything like that at all
13:14<jhutchins_lt>jankidudel: The problem is that when webmin eventually breaks your system, and it will, you are going to have to know how to do all of the console based management tasks (and a few extras besides).
13:14<jankidudel>I use ssh myself, but what if I want to install django, RoR , etc on my server and then easily control my folders with GUI program ?
13:14<jetset>babilen: ugh, whenever i try to run any aptitude commands it says that there are unmet dependencies and that i should apt-get -f install to fix them.
13:14<jankidudel>I use concole
13:14<jankidudel>but I want to have some control panel too
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13:15<jankidudel>How to explain to client "You won't have control panel "
13:15<jankidudel>and, how with Emails ?
13:15<jankidudel>to make them through concole too ?
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13:16<themill>jankidudel: you don't need some sort of control panel to be able to deploy a web site with a nice gui sftp client or check your email with whatever imap client you want.
13:16<themill>jetset: that's not a good situation to be in. A mixture of lenny and squeeze is going to cause tears.
13:16<FingerWizard>jetset: Why not try debian out and see for yourself?
13:17<jankidudel>themill, cool, thanks, a lot of heavy weight troubles came from my head
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13:18<jetset>FingerWizard: because i play video games. :p
13:18<tony>is there anyone i can ask a little question about FTP???
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13:19<grove>tony: The answer to mosy questions about FTP is: Don't use FTP
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13:19<tony>:P thanks
13:20<tony>but I still need to understand...
13:20<tony>I mean I'm a newbie i m configuring a personal webserver
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13:20<themill>tony: then you probably want to use sftp not ftp. And you'll already have that installed and available to you.
13:21<tony>what is the default one installed?
13:21<tony>i tried to remove all the ftp servers on the pc but I still can connect from remote to my pc
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13:22<tony>i'm confused
13:22<tony>there shouldn't be any server installed...
13:22<ComradeHaz`>Hi guys, how can I find out what files are being written?
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13:23<grove>ComradeHaz`: That's not easy in general.
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13:23<jankidudel>is there a command to list all packages ? (and maybe to sort them ? )
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13:24<grove>jankidudel: dpkg -L
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13:24<themill>dpkg: tell tony about sftp
13:24<ComradeHaz`>hmm, grove, as I thought. Possible though?
13:24<tony>jankidudel: use dpkg --get-selections>pckg.txt
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13:25<grove>ComradeHaz`: Perhaps if you can tell more about the situation
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13:25<retrospectacus>grove: that's dpkg -l
13:25<grove>jankidudel: tony's suggestion is actually better then mine (not just because retrospectacus is right)
13:26<ComradeHaz`>rdiff backup that appears to have gone mad. It's been running for days and have just noticed one of the directories (4TBs) is growing and then suddenly shrinking again.
13:26<jankidudel>ok, thanks :)
13:26<ComradeHaz`>Not really sure what to do about it.
13:26<ComradeHaz`>(Destination directory)
13:26<retrospectacus>read the logs?
13:27<ComradeHaz`>retrospectacus: there is no log until it finishes.
13:27<retrospectacus>there is on mine (rsnapshot)
13:27<ComradeHaz`>unless it's in a cron log somewhere?
13:28<grove>ComradeHaz`: (I've never used rdiff-backup) That should mean you know the PIDs, then you can look in /proc/<pid>/fd or use strace
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13:29<tony>themill: Ok so does that mean that when I connect to my host through WinSCP it uses ssh server instead of FTP???
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13:31<tony>but I still can move files around... As if it is an FTP server... So If i wanted to use a 'REAL' FTP I should shut down the SSH
13:31<tony>and install something like proftpd
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13:32<themill>no, that's the last thing you want to do
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13:33<tony>well my only problem is I want to create virtual users and confine them in specific directories
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13:33<tony>it doesn't matter if I do it through an ssh or ftp server as long as it works with standard clients
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13:37<ComradeHaz`>Thanks grove, not having much luck so far but I'll keep playing!
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13:47<ballison>i have a mysqldump file that's full of insert statements. I need to re-apply it to another database that has gaps, but when I try it fails on the first line since that insert already exists in that database. how do i get it to ignore the inserts that already exist and keep going ?
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13:49<retrospectacus>ballison: INSERT IGNORE INTO ...
13:50<ballison>change all inserts to insert ignore
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13:52<ballison>retro: worked! thanks
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14:40<ballison>i'm trying to run a mysqlcheck -r on a database and I keep getting an error that one of the tables is read only. but when i look at the file system /var/lib/mysql/DATABASE/TABLE it's not read only . it's read-write. any ideas?
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14:58<kop>ballison: Read-only in mysql permission land?
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15:03<retrospectacus>ballison: my suggestions are 1) restart mysqld 2) ask in #mysql on freenode
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15:05<steinex>ballison: go directly to #2
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15:14<tony>Hey guys I still can't figure out the FTP
15:15<xxx3xxx>soy de argentina
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15:15<xxx3xxx>q me importa?
15:15<xxx3xxx>who want sex with me?
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15:17<dondelelcaro>tony: you can do that using many of the ftp clients; it can be done using sftp as well, but that is slightly more complicated to set up
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15:17<dondelelcaro>tony: however, the documentation explains precisely how to do it for all of them, so you're best of checking the documentation
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15:18<tony>no i know
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15:18<tony>i uninstalled AALL the FTP servers
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15:18<tony>from my computer but i still can connect to it in remote
15:18<tony>and I don't understand why
15:19<dondelelcaro>tony: so netstat -plunt; and see what is running on port 21
15:19<tony>themill told me is because of the SSH
15:19<dondelelcaro>tony: how are you connecting remotely?
15:19<tony>winscp on port 22
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15:19<dondelelcaro>tony: then that's using ssh, not ftp
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15:20<tony>ok and what's the service that manage it?
15:21<tony>i would like to have some sort of control over it...
15:21<dondelelcaro>tony: it's ssh; the configuration files are in /etc/ssh
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15:22<tony>ok but the freaky thing is that when I stop the ssh service I can still connect to my host......
15:22<dondelelcaro>though since that is probably what you are also using for a remote shell, you should read some manpages before doing anything with it
15:22<dondelelcaro>tony: uh... you won't be able to if you've stopped ssh.
15:22<dondelelcaro>tony: and if you think you can, netstat -plunt; will tell you what you're acutally running on 22.
15:22<tony>no you are right... i was stopping it by gui
15:23<tony>and apparently it wasn't stopping s**t
15:23<tony>via terminal it stopped it...
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15:24<tony>thank you so so much for your help dondelelcaro!
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15:24<tony>i was going crazy... :)
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15:30<dondelelcaro>tony: np
15:31<dondelelcaro>tony: netstat -plunt; is a command that you should learn if you're trying to figure out what is running on your machine that is network accessible
15:31<dondelelcaro>(and netstat in general)
15:32<tony>what does -plunt do?
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15:33<steinex>tony: the manpage will tell you
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15:36<tony>steinex sorry but i m kinda newbie how do i access the manpage ? -help??
15:36<steinex>tony: man netstat
15:37<tony>ok thanks so much... I'm trying to learn as much as I can... it just seems like it never ends.. lol
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16:29<qwd>What would be an easy way to get Iceweasel 7 on Debian Squeeze for PPC? I emailed Mike Hommey about Iceweasel for PPC on because someone was interested in packaging it but didn't get a reply, and I didn't get one either, so it seems that won't happen.
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16:30<qwd>It's not my computer so I don't want to start compiling stuff that I need to manually update later. Apt-pinning or just update the whole system to sid? Sid doesn't seem so bad according to
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16:34<thewanderer>hmm, when was Squeeze released, again? I'm getting the impression that Sid might have been stable during Squeeze freeze
16:35<thewanderer>try a chroot I guess
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16:36<thewanderer>that would explain it
16:36<thewanderer>I can remember using Sid on the desktop myself during the Lenny freeze period... those were the times :)
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16:38<jhutchins_lt2>qwd: - don't know if they support ppc.
16:38<jhutchins_lt2>D'Oh! Sorry.
16:38<jhutchins_lt2>qwd: Don't do sid.
16:39<jhutchins_lt2>qwd: Does Mozilla make linux-on-ppc packages?
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16:58<qwd>jhutchins_lt2: from what I understand they've stopped supporting ppc. even on os x.
16:59<themill>,archs iceweasel sid
16:59<judd>Package iceweasel in sid: amd64 (7.0.1-4), armel (7.0.1-4), hurd-i386 (7.0.1-4), i386 (7.0.1-4), ia64 (7.0.1-4), kfreebsd-amd64 (7.0.1-4), kfreebsd-i386 (7.0.1-4), mips (7.0.1-4), mipsel (7.0.1-4), powerpc (7.0.1-4), s390 (7.0.1-4), sparc (7.0.1-4)
16:59<themill>iceweasel certainly still supports all those archs, even if not in the backports repository
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17:01<qwd>Yeah, I asked this a few weeks ago on Freenode, don't remember exactly what they said but I think I was told that apt-pinning wasn't a good solution and that I should compile it myself. But, like I said, it's not my computer and I don't want to keep updating it manually.
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17:55<maxmati>Hej samba wywala mi takiego errora "pvfs_xattr: xattr not supported in filesystem: NT_STATUS_NOT_SUPPORTED" wiem że chodzi tu o wsparcie kernela i systu plikow(u mnie ext4) tylko niewiem jak to przestawić w debianie. Pomoże ktoś?
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17:56<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on pl is also <perl>.
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17:58<maxmati>sorry i don't now because i found on polish site of debian
17:59<ompaul>maxmati: /server and then /join #debian-pl
17:59<maxmati>so samba giving me an error "pvfs_xattr: xattr not supported in filesystem: NT_STATUS_NOT_SUPPORTED" i know that i must enable xattr support but i don't know how. Can someone help me?
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18:01<ompaul> might help - I know nothing about samba
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18:02<dsr>is there a reason why sgi screen fonts (nice bitmapped fonts for xterm) are not packaged for debian ?
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18:02<Bushmills>sgi sounds not free
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18:03<ompaul>dsr: might I suggest you look at the licence
18:03<maxmati>ompaul: do you now have debian xattr support compiled in kernel?
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18:03<dsr>ompaul: there are quite a few packages in non-free which have closed licenses
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18:05<ompaul>dsr: I can't comment cos I don't know the licence in question
18:05<ompaul>maxmati: no idea
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18:08<dsr>ompaul: indicates that they are under X11/MIT license
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18:09<ompaul>dsr: so you could package it yourself :)
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18:09<dsr>ompaul: i already did/use it.. but i was curious about why debian did not package it while suse and redhat seems to do so
18:10<ompaul>dsr: because they didn't see the need I guess
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18:31<jthread>how do i relabel an automatically installed package as "not automatically installed"?
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18:34<botmind>I am running the latest Debian Squeeze and failing to get lm_sensors to work. sensors-detect seem to detected 3 modules, I have loaded them, rebooted, but sensors still says no sensors loaded.
18:34<Black_Prince>jthread, apt-get unmarkauto packagename
18:34<Black_Prince>botmind, desktop or laptop?
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18:35<botmind>Black_Prince: Desktop
18:35<jthread>Black_Prince: thanks
18:35<chealer>jthread: depends on the package manager you use
18:36<jthread>chealer: i prefer the most basic one, apt-get
18:36<retrospectacus>jthread: just apt-get install whatever, it will say "marked as manually installed"
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18:37<jthread>retrospectacus: it will also reinstall it, right?
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18:37<retrospectacus>it will upgrade it, if possible
18:37<jthread>retrospectacus: and what's the opposite? would apt-get markauto packagename work?
18:37<Black_Prince>botmind, only thing that can fall on my mind is this one
18:37<jthread>they aren't documented
18:38<Black_Prince>apt-get markauto will mark package as automatically installed, unmarkauto does the opposite.
18:38<jthread>there's no "markauto" in `man apt-get`
18:38<Black_Prince>In sid, apt-get {un,}markauto have been split into apt-mark iirc ...
18:39<jthread>oh ok
18:40<botmind>Black_Prince: thanks, I am absolutely sure I was seeing this note already, but at that time I thought the solution was to recomile the kernel only.. now after reading more attantively, I see no recompile needed.. will try now
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18:42<themill>Black_Prince: other way around; apt-get grew markauto/unmarkauto in squeeze; apt-mark has been around for a couple of releases
18:42<jthread>themill: and it was never documented?
18:42<themill>it's in "apt-get -h"
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18:43<jthread>themill: oh, but it's a recent feature anyway, iirc
18:43<jthread>well, relatively recent
18:43<themill>(that's what I said)
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18:44<botmind>Where do I set some specific setting for a kernel image during the boot like acpi_enforce_resources=lax ? Somewhere in /boot/ I think.. but where exactly?
18:44<jthread>themill: right, "a couple of releases"
18:44<botmind>I remember I was doing this after upgrade from Lenny when there was a change from /dev/hda to /dev/sda
18:45<Black_Prince>botmind, for squeeze and grub2 /etc/default/grub ... you need to change kernel command line (don't forget to run update-grub after that)
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18:47<botmind>Black_Prince: Thanks, I see there is already something.. GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet agp=off"
18:47<themill>!dbugs 603245
18:47<dpkg>#603245:M[apt] in the manpage of apt-get markauto and unmarkauto are missing (); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:54:02 UTC []
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18:47<themill>jthread: ^^ please feel free to contribute if you are able
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18:59<b0tm1nd>Black_Prince: IT WORKED!! Thanks again! Can now close 13+ tabs of search of the problem.. Just curious have you taken this right from your fresh memory ?
18:59<Wak>hope you guys can help me out. Install via vnc is stuck at 33 % of making a new partition during install. Just hangs there
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19:00<Wak>Does debian have a timelimit for this action that triggers a reboot/reload of the cd
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19:00<Black_Prince>Well, it was from my memory, but some time ago I also searched for it.
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19:01<b0tm1nd>Black_Prince: Ok, well I see this article is a kind of very official and about the really important things.. Now good think to know such an articles exist!
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19:13<jhutchins_lt2>b0tm1nd: grub2 is relatively new, so many of us have recently learned to deal with it and it's fresh in our minds.
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19:14<Ourobo>can someone recommend a faster than /dev/urandom (and preferably predictably pseudo-random) random generator?
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19:15<Ourobo>i have tried "openssl rand" (faster, but still too slow) and am going to try /dev/frandom next
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19:25<Puto>this is a weird question to put it mildly but
19:26<Puto>is it possible to somehow install the AMD64 version of Debian from the i386 ISO?
19:26<Puto>like, have it download the 64-bit components from the network or something
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19:26<esulu_>hello all
19:27<esulu_>i search the iranian develop
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19:28<dondelelcaro>Ourobo: there are all kinds of PRNG available; see libsprng2 or similar ones depending on what you need
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19:29<esulu>can you help me please
19:29<Ourobo>dondelelcaro: ah, thanks
19:30<esulu>in this site i see this email but don't work
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19:32<Ourobo>Puto: not certain, but why not use the correct ISO to begin with?
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19:32<Puto>because I don't have access to the drive
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19:32<Ourobo>ah, good times
19:32<Puto>it's a remote system on the other side of the planet
19:33<Puto>I'm thinking of maybe installing the i386 version in a 1GB partition and using it to bootstrap an amd64 installation or something... is that even possible?
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19:35<sney>well, if the cpu supports it, you can install an amd64 kernel into a i686 system
19:35<Puto>yeah, cpu supports it
19:35<sney>so from that point I don't see why you couldn't proceed with a full amd64 debootstrap install
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19:36<Puto>I guess I'll try that
19:36*Black_Prince would first experiment on a local machine.
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19:36<Puto>if I explode the partitions I can always just install the i386 version again
19:36<Ourobo>sounds like this is going to be messy
19:36<Puto>not really taking any risks here other than the risk of wasting time
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19:37<sney>Puto: there's a case to be made for just running multiarch. 64-bit kernel/32-bit userland is a supported configuration and it can be very fast depending on what you're doing
19:38<Puto>I want a 64-bit userland
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19:38<Ourobo>sney: is that what the multiarch installer is? or is the latter actually just 32-bit/64-bit installers bundled together?
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19:38<sney>Ourobo: the multiarch installer is just the 2 installers bundled
19:38<Puto>the only reason I even have to do all of this is because the dude configuring my VPS put in the wrong ISO
19:39<sney>can you make the dude put in the right one?
19:39<Puto>if he was around, maybe
19:39<Puto>he's afk though and I'm bored as I can get
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19:41<Ourobo>Puto: perhaps this might help:, but it may require another ISO as well
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19:45<Puto>that's more complicated than it needs to be in my situation
19:45<Puto>because I dont' want to migrate anything
19:45<Puto>I just want to get a 64-bit system running; I have no data to migrate
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19:49<Ourobo>the best option is probably to wait for the dude to come back and go play some sc2 meanwhile
19:49<Puto>I don't even know what sc2 is
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20:02<retrospectacus>hi. I'm having trouble with my sound on a fresh squeeze install.
20:03<retrospectacus>0c:00.0 Audio device [0403]: Creative Labs [SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio] CA0110-IBG [1102:0009]
20:03<Puto>installing the bootloader is proving to be more complicated than it should
20:03<retrospectacus>problem: I have no /dev/dsp or /dev/audio
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20:04<retrospectacus>and root:# aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav does not make any sound, and this message appears in dmesg
20:04<retrospectacus>[ 200.399511] hda_codec: rates == 0 (nid=0x12, val=0x0, ovrd=0)
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20:07<retrospectacus>and the alay command hangs forever
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20:14<Black_Prince>/dev/dsp and /dev/audio are oss nodes.
20:15<Wak>i heard it makes good sense to disable InnoDb on my lamp since im not using it. is this right ? and if so, is it wise to do and how do i do it ?
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20:16<themill>!mysql memory usage
20:16<dpkg>To help reduce the memory usage of MySQL server, disable "innodb" tables (this can save around 100MB memory): echo -e "[mysqld]\nskip-innodb" > /etc/mysql/conf.d/skip-innodb.cnf ; invoke-rc.d mysql restart
20:17<retrospectacus>Black_Prince: ok? What does that mean?
20:18<Black_Prince>"problem: I have no /dev/dsp or /dev/audio" ... oss has been depreceated on linux for some time yet ... You won't have those unless you have alsa oss compatibility modules loaded.
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20:20<retrospectacus>alright, well what should I use as the audio device file?
20:20<Wak>Thanks themill. Got plenty of ram, just for speed
20:20<Black_Prince>Dunno, I think nodes are located in /dev/snd ...
20:21<Black_Prince>And to write to them (play sound) your user needs to be in audio group.
20:21<retrospectacus>don't have any user... aplay as root is no worky though, as described above
20:22<Black_Prince>Check alsamixer if all volumes are set
20:22<Black_Prince>as they are supposed to be set. (and check if some is muted)
20:22<chealer>Wak: #mysql likely knows better if it's right and a wise thing to do
20:23<themill>Wak: I doubt it has much impact on speed in that case
20:23<Wak>Me either, but its good to know i can take off some ram if they get needed
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20:24<retrospectacus>Black_Prince: I un-muted them. However aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav still just hangs until ^C and produces the message in dmesg
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20:27<Puto>I realise that experimental is often broken and shouldn't be used, but I have to ask anyway out of sheer curiosity
20:27<Puto>why does perl in experimental have a conflict with the linux kernel? o_O
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20:28<Black_Prince>not the kernel, but libuuid-perl which is a dependency of kernel. (linux-base iirc)
20:29<Black_Prince>retrospectacus, looks like kernel issue to me then. Have you tried backported kernel?
20:29<retrospectacus>nope, just the one that came with squeeze
20:30<Black_Prince>dpkg, bdo kernel
20:30<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via Ask me about <bdo> to add to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae See also <bdo kernel lenny>.
20:30<Black_Prince>Can't hurt to try :)
20:30*Black_Prince is off to bed.
20:30<retrospectacus>will try it.
20:30<retrospectacus>thanks, goodnight!
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20:41<retrospectacus>awwwwww snap! It works
20:41<retrospectacus>brilliant Black_Prince
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20:45<cuban>es en español?
20:46<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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21:29<jaynestown>hello all how is everyone?
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23:37<chl501>when launching wireshark and then checking /sbin/ifconfig, would the result of /sbin/ifconfig shows it is promiscous mode?
23:38<chl501>I test it with this method, but ifconfig seems only list `UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1'
23:38<chl501>Is it normal?
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