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02:02<benjr>anyone know of any terminal web browsers that support javascript?
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02:09<FingerWizard>benjr: links doesn't?
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02:26<wp>morning people
02:27<wp>any way to find out WHY aptitude wants to install some NEW packages?
02:28<JoeKickass>"aptitude why foopackage"
02:30<wp>JoeKickass: wont that only tell me why i have foopackage on my system, not why it wants to install new package foopackage?
02:31<wp>ah it looks like new dependenices on an upgraded package
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02:55<imperium>hi, (sorry for bad english) if theres an update for module-dkms, apt only install for active and latest kernel. how do i set apt to auto dkms install all available kernel?
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03:07<tale>imperium: Do you mean all available kernels or all installed kernels?
03:08<imperium>all installed, sorry
03:09<nocturnal>using bonding in linux, can you tell me if packets will be sent out through both interfaces, or just the master interface?
03:10<nocturnal>I'm suspecting only master, because I'm checking my switches now, and one is empty of packets (hw addresses on ports) the other is full.
03:10<nocturnal>and the other is where NIC1 is connected (eth0)
03:10<bones_was_here>that depends how you configured the bonding module, it has several options to pass it when it loads to control its behaviour
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03:12<bones_was_here>hm not sure what default is, fair while since i looked at the docs for this, but on my server i configure it like this
03:12<bones_was_here>cat /etc/modprobe.d/bonding.conf
03:12<bones_was_here>options bonding mode=802.3ad miimon=100 lacp_rate=fast
03:12<henr_k_>nocturnal: isn't the point with bonding to combine several interfaces to create a *single* line with higher bandwidth? Then it should not replicate packets on several nics..
03:12<nocturnal>it could also be failover
03:12<nocturnal>in which case one would be used until the uplink vanished
03:12<nocturnal>then the other would take over
03:13<nocturnal>I mostly have experience with bsd failover methods.
03:13<bones_was_here>hmm it looks like this can also be configured in interfaces file
03:13<nocturnal>I'll read the bonddev part in ifconfig. because I couldn't find a bond manual
03:13<bones_was_here>it is also discussed here
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03:14<bones_was_here>ahh heres the doc i used
03:15<bones_was_here>its not aimed at debian but it should have good detail about how to use the module
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04:26*EmleyMoor has made a BIOS adjustment intended to make kvm-qemu work better - but Debian running in it now keeps reporting WRITE DMA freezes
04:27<EmleyMoor>Any advice on getting kvm-qemu to work reliably on a Debian host? (or is it possible I should update my BIOS?)
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04:31<EmleyMoor>I used to experience CPU freezes on kvm-qemu instances other than the first few... now I'm getting WRITE DMA freezes on ata1.00 on the very first.
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05:01<tp43>anyone running debian use sleep/hibernate functions?
05:02<jm_>no doubt there is someone
05:02<tp43>hehe, no you?
05:02<shanks>tp43: i use it sometimes
05:02<tp43>I have feeling, that if I were running debian instead of ubuntu, my dvdrom would still work
05:02<jm_>I used to use suspend to disk daily, my brother uses suspend to ram a lot
05:03<tp43>shanks, you kidding? I switched to Ubuntu, cause sleep/hibernate was working on debia
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05:03<mix22891>i got the log file
05:03<tp43>suspend ram is what I like, cause its quick, to disk is just like a reboot
05:03<mix22891>with who did i talk before?
05:03<mix22891>about connect to the internet trough debian
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05:03<mix22891>where to post the log?
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05:04<shanks>tp43: I'm not sure what you're asking. You said does anyone use sleep/hibernate on Debian. I said I do.
05:04<tale>mix22891: To pastebin.
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05:04<tale>mix22891: See topic.
05:04<tp43>shanks, but did it work by default? Or did you do some scripting
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05:04<shanks>tp43: it worked out of the box. like most of debian.
05:05<tp43>shanks, not for me, and when I came to this channel I wasn't told it should work out of the box, I was told the sleep/hibernate package was broken, PowerManagement
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05:06<tp43>my dvd rom does't even run anymore, so I cant even install debian anymore if I wanted, and i do want, I want to format off windows which I kept but never used
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05:06<mix22891>i still can't connect to the internet trough debian
05:07<tp43>i am gonna stick with debian i the future, cause all these testing packages are dangerous
05:07<tp43>i blame them for my broken dvdrom
05:07<tp43>i might just need a battery replacement though
05:07<mix22891>sudo ae/nano/vim -Command not found
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05:08<tp43>I guess sudo isn't installed
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05:08<mix22891>sudo ae/nano/vim /etc/NetwokManager/NetworkManager.conf-Command not found- to edit
05:09<tp43>If you don't drink milk for a month, will you get sick to the stomach?
05:09<tp43>mix22891, what the heck you doing?
05:09<tale>sudo editor somefile should alwasy work in Debian.
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05:09<tp43>try with out the sudo
05:09<mix22891>thy tell me to edit the file
05:09<tale>To see if sudo is installed, use command: type -a sudo
05:10<tale>Debian does not usually use sudo, that is Ubuntu. Use root account, that is log in as root or to change to root do: su -
05:10<tp43>usually, I just plug in the cable, then enter dhclient, if that fails I am at a lost
05:11<mix22891>thy say here sudo!!
05:11<tale>mix22891: Thy words are confusing.
05:11<tp43>some people like sudo, but you have to install it
05:11<mix22891>i was talking to 4 ppl'
05:11<tp43>just use su for now
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05:11<mix22891>thy say here sudo
05:12<tp43>so you wanna kill those people now, for offerrig a sudo advise?
05:12<jm_>please don't abuse your enter key so much
05:12<mix22891>abuse its a Pc game :)
05:13<mix22891>not just a word
05:13<jm_>yup, apt-cache show abuse
05:14<amitz>abuse can make your tummy smaller.
05:14<mix22891>thy say edit sudo vim /etc/NetwokManager/NetworkManager.conf
05:15<mix22891>but,Command not found
05:15<mix22891>even nano and ae
05:15<mix22891>i can't set it to true
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05:17<jm_>don't use sudo
05:17<mix22891>so su vim /etc/NetwokManager/NetworkManager.conf?
05:17<jm_>just use "su -" to login as root and then do the configuration there
05:18<mix22891>i've already login as a root
05:18<mix22891>it's not work
05:18<mix22891>so no sudo in debian?
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05:19<jm_>no, debian has sudo but it's not installed by default
05:19<mix22891>please, what you mean not installed by default
05:19<babouchko>I use it, it is very useful
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05:20<babouchko>u have to configure /etc/sudoers
05:20<jm_>just stop focusing on sudo ok?
05:20<mix22891>i c
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05:21<mix22891>so whats next? i still can't connect to the internet trough debian
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05:21<jm_>what happens when you try to?
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05:21<jm_>and how does your setup look like?
05:21<mix22891>noting, i can't surf the web
05:21<mix22891>what setup?
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05:22<jm_>for networking/internet obviously
05:24<tp43>mix22891, you are lucky jm_ is helping you now, he will get you on the net
05:24<mix22891>jm_> where is that setup?please
05:25<tp43>enter this "dhclient"
05:25<jm_>mix22891: explain how it's connected - cable modem? router? ...
05:25<mix22891>cable modem 1MB internet connection
05:25<tp43>mix22891, did you plug it in?
05:25<mix22891>no wireless
05:25<mix22891>i did tp43
05:26<mix22891>now i'm under windows
05:27<tp43>try wifiradar, you have to do apt-get install wifiradar, then it will install it for you, then you can run it using its name, and then you can browse for available networks
05:27<mix22891>with pass and user
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05:27<mix22891>it's now wireless tp43
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05:28<tp43>gnome has nice wifi tool, you can enter your use and pass in the wifi tool that is located on the system bar
05:28<mix22891>yes, gnome
05:28<mix22891>tp43>i'm connecting trough cables
05:28<tp43>take note of your network name, like the ssid I think
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05:29<tp43>then when you are in gnome, click on the wifi tool on the gnome bar, select your network, and in options put the user/pass
05:29<mix22891>there is no icon :(
05:29<tp43>It should just be a pass, like you have the ssid, and then like a 8bitassword
05:29<mix22891>there is no icon :(
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05:29<tp43>I thought you said you were in windows right now
05:29<mix22891>i've looking for this icon about an hour
05:30<jm_>mix22891: what do settings look like in windows? ipconfig command will show it and netstat -nr
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05:30<tp43>well then just enter network and hit tab to see available programs, and run it from the shell
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05:31<mix22891>how to enter a network?
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05:31<tp43>type in network and then hit tab, do you know about autocomplete
05:31<mix22891>in windows?
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05:32<wompa>mix22891, you shouldn't use both /etc/network/interfaces file and networkmanager to configure the same nic (network interface card), but then again I don't know why you want to edit NetworkManager.conf.
05:32<tp43>no, in debian of course, we are talking about debian here dude
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05:32<mix22891>wompa> i can't edit the file
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05:33<wompa>mix22891, what file?
05:33<mix22891>wompa> thy say: set NetworkManager.conf to true
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05:33<mix22891>and enter username and password
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05:35<tp43>mix22891, I think you lack of respect for authority is clouding you ability to follow instructions so you can look at some internet porn
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05:36<mix22891>i don't need porn
05:36<mix22891>i got gf
05:36<tp43>is her name Bonnie?
05:36<wompa>mix22891, well, I think you can forget about that for a moment and take notes on your network connection details while you are in Windows.
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05:38<mix22891>wompa> i don't get you
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05:38<wompa>mix22891, you are in Windows right now?
05:38<mix22891>and i hate it
05:38<tp43>He is intentionally messing with people here
05:39<wompa>mix22891, at the same computer which you have trouble connecting to Internet in Debian?
05:39<mix22891>wompa> yes
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05:39<wompa>mix22891, the same connection details should be able to get you online in Debian too.
05:39<mix22891>i'm lost
05:40<mix22891>wompa> ?
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05:40<mix22891>i've sayed i hate windows
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05:40<jm_>I already tried to go that way but it seems it's all futile
05:40<wompa>mix22891, for instance you should obtain your ip-address the same way in Debian as you do in Windows.
05:40<divine9>dog chasing tail
05:41<wompa>mix22891, have you entered ip-address manually in Windows?
05:41<tp43>mix22891, if you not downloading porn, then you won't get any viruses anyone, so just stick with windows
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05:41<tp43>he is a MS chroonie just screwing around here
05:41<mix22891>wompa> no
05:41<tp43>is that how you spell chroonie
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05:43<shanks>I have a question about packages and versions and apt. When I added debian-multimedia's apt sources for stable, I had to upgrade some packages and install some new ones. This was OK because thre were newer libs there for stable and some of those new libs had deps which brough in yet more libs. OK so far. However when I added virtualbox's apt sources for squeeze, aptitude doesn't do the same. As in, it doesn't say my virtualbox-ose 4.0.8 needs upgrading to 4.1.
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05:44<mix22891>wompa> ?
05:44<jm_>shanks: what do you mean with virtualbox's sources?
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05:45<mix22891>internet works with ubuntu, but i can't run pc games trough
05:45<mix22891>steam dsn't work good
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05:46<mix22891>i can't connect to the internet trough ubuntu but not play games
05:46<mix22891>games are runing trough debian
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05:46<mix22891>i mean i CAN
05:47<mix22891>i *can* connect to the internet trough ubuntu but not play games
05:47<mix22891>steam not work correctly
05:48<mix22891>i mean wine
05:48<EmleyMoor>mix22891: If the problem is in Ubuntu it's off topic here
05:48<mix22891>i want debian not ubuntu
05:49<mix22891>i can play games trough debian
05:49<EmleyMoor>So, what's the problem in Debian?
05:49<mix22891>no internet connection
05:50<EmleyMoor>Right - how are you connecting?
05:50<tp43>sometimes, when you are stuck on a problem, the best thing is to walk away and revisit it later
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05:50<mix22891>adsl modem
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05:50<EmleyMoor>... connected to your Debian box how?
05:50<tp43>like, I mean, take smelling cologns, or looking at paintings, you need a fresh nose and eyes, sometimes you need a fresh mind
05:50<mix22891>tp43> i'm trying to slove this prob' from yasterday
05:51<mix22891>EmleyMoor> yes, it's a box
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05:52<EmleyMoor>Connected to your Debian box "yes, it's a box" - that's a new way on me
05:52<mix22891>i mean modem
05:53<mix22891>D-link modem
05:53<EmleyMoor>Yes, but how are the Debian system and the modem connected to each other?
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05:53<EmleyMoor>What kind of?
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05:53<mix22891>i don't know how to explane
05:54<wompa>mix22891, sorry, but I got out of ideas, I saw on your pastebin that you get your ip-address from dhcp, probably just like in Windows.
05:54<mix22891>1-to the fhone
05:54<mix22891>1-to the fhone to the modem
05:54<mix22891>2- from the modem to the computer
05:54<tp43>I thought you said it was wireless?
05:55<EmleyMoor>... and what kind of cable is 2?
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05:55<mix22891>yes 2
05:55<tp43>EmleyMoor, he is messing around, earlier he was saying it was wireless
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05:55<tp43>he should be booted
05:55<EmleyMoor>... and what kind of cables are the 2?
05:55<wompa>tp43, no, he said "no wireless", not "no, wireless", I got confused too. :)
05:55<mix22891>wompa> so why i can't surf?
05:56<mix22891>tp43> stop that
05:56<mix22891>i sayed : it's not wireless
05:56<wompa>mix22891, maybe because your name resolution is broken. If you know the ip-address to a website you could check that, like so: in the browser
05:56<jmux>shanks: look at 'apt-get policy virtualbox-ose'. It tells you, which versions of a package are available. I guess the official vbox packages have an other name, so that's why there is no update.
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05:57<tp43> wompa I asked him if he plugged it in, and he said no wireless
05:57<mix22891>EmleyMoor> like this one :
05:58<mix22891>tp43> i've mean, "'s not wireless
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05:58<tp43>mix22891, so just run "dhclient"
05:58<mix22891>you get me worng
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05:58<mix22891><tp43> to type it in terminal?
05:59<EmleyMoor>mix22891: Are you using one of those or two between the computer and the modem?
05:59<tp43>first do su, and pass
05:59<tp43>and pastebin the result
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05:59<mix22891>i think i pastebin already
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06:00<mix22891>EmleyMoor> yes
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06:01<mix22891>i need a rest
06:01<EmleyMoor>mix22891: Yes one or yes two?
06:01<tp43>ok now try to browse
06:02<mix22891>EmleyMoor> two
06:02<EmleyMoor>Why two? One should suffice.
06:02<mix22891>one from the fhone to the modem,and from the modem to the computer
06:03<EmleyMoor>So one then
06:03<EmleyMoor>(how confusing!)
06:03<tp43>maybe he needs to run pppoeconf
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06:03<divine9>thats what i was thining tp43
06:03<tp43>EmleyMoor, well he has connect using windows boot, so he probably has it cabled up fine
06:04<mix22891>yes, i'm under windows right now
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06:04<mix22891>i'm sufer
06:04<divine9>mix22891: did you setup pppoe in windows with your dsl login info?
06:04<tp43>mix22891, ok, go into debian, and this time as root, run pppoeconf, if you don't have it, install it
06:05<mix22891>divine9> i've just setup my username and password
06:05<wompa>How to install if he doesn't have Internet connection?
06:05<mix22891>that's all
06:05<jm_>would be much simpler if we would get windows network info by now
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06:05<mix22891>tp43> how to install it,please?
06:05<tp43>apt-get update
06:05<tp43>apt-get install pppoeconf
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06:07<mix22891>i need a rest, just a moment,thanks!
06:07<divine9>I've never setup pppoe in *nix, but I imagine if you follow tp43s directions you'll have to enter your login info like you did in windows
06:07<shanks>jmux: I did think it may have something to do with the name. Thanks.
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06:10<jm_>shanks: (if you meant me) virtualbox-ose vs. virtualbox package name? yes, that's what happened with 4.0 packages, btw 4.x packages for squeeze can be found in backports repository
06:10<jm_>virtualbox-ose was left as a transitional package though
06:12<shanks>jm_: I have 4.0.8 installed. I got it from squeeze-backports. But there's 4.1 available from VirtualBox themselves.
06:12<shanks>Erm Sorry, 4.0.10
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06:13<anbe>,versions virtualbox
06:13<judd>Package: virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+1; sid: 4.1.4-dfsg-1; wheezy: 4.1.4-dfsg-1
06:13<jm_>shanks: sure, just keep in mind that's not supported here
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06:15<shanks>jm_: what differences are there, other than the version of the software, between the Debian maintainers version and placement of files compared to , say, Virtual Box's own? Of course I guess I could always try and build my own 4.1 by grabbing the source from SID. I'm not really sure of the pros and cons
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06:16<jm_>shanks: to be honest, I have no idea
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06:17<mix22891>any sulotion? :)
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06:18<shanks>I'm just wondering what 'polish' debian add to packages other than building the source with certain common options. The debian 4.0.10 version in squeeze-backports is surely just the 4.0.10 source compiled with commonly required options.. In terms of security , only stable and oldstable get security fixes right?
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06:19<jm_>you can check the diff file
06:19<shanks>jm_: Yeah that's a good idea.
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06:22<jm_>shanks: an obvious big difference is split in several packages by debian
06:22<jm_>a split
06:22<retro|blah>mix22891: Don't do that.
06:23<wompa>mix22891, to what? Did you try pppoeconfig like tp43 suggested?
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06:24<mix22891>to type pppoeconfig in terminal?
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06:25<wompa>I suppose so.
06:25<mix22891>and then?
06:25<wompa>mix22891, I guess you get further instructions of pppoeconf, follow them
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06:26<mix22891>ok, thank you, brb
06:26<mix22891>wompa> thanks!
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06:27<wompa>I hope it works out for him
06:27<wompa>(or her)
06:28<divine9>it was painful to watch, but its good to see people help out all walks of life around here
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06:30<mix22891>command not found
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06:31<divine9>if you read what tp43 said(person who suggest pppoeconf in the first place), he said youd have to install it
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06:31<wompa>mix22891, did you try to login as root and then run pppoeconf?
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06:32<wompa>mix22891, how did you install Debian? From CD?
06:32<deavid>how i can prevent a linux module from being loaded, or to take control of a certain USB device?
06:32<jm_>it's important to use "su -", not just "su"
06:32<jm_>deavid: edit a file in /etc/modprobe.d
06:33<mix22891>wompa> i was can't update debian when the install ask for
06:33<mix22891>how it's called?
06:33<jm_>!tell deavid -about blacklist
06:33<wompa>mix22891, no, since you don't have Internet you won't be able to update.
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06:33<wompa>mix22891, but perhaps the pppoeconf is on the installation CD
06:34<mix22891>but what?
06:34<drii>on debian stable from business card install
06:34<drii>what is the windows manager?
06:34<drii>how to check what login-manager/DM/WM I use now?
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06:35<mix22891>wompa> in the installtion
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06:35<jm_>drii: try cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
06:35<mix22891>i was can't connect to any server to update
06:35<drii>jm_, it's gdm3
06:35<jm_>I will be away for a while
06:36<drii>jm_, gdm is which?
06:36<drii>desktop manager?
06:36<deavid>jm_: thanks for the fast response
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06:39<mix22891>how i can fast suised?
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06:41<wompa>mix22891, insert the CD (CD1 of debian installation) when you are in Debian, then become root in terminal, run "apt-cdrom", then you should be able to install pppoeconf from CD1
06:41<wompa>mix22891, "apt-cdrom add"
06:41<wompa>(I'm not sure this works, though :( )
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06:42<wompa>mix22891, you might need to do apt-get update after that, and then apt-get install pppoeconf
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06:53<mix22891>Bash:pppoeconf command not found
06:53<wompa>mix22891, did you install pppoeconf?
06:53<mix22891>"apt-cdrom add" work,but no luck
06:53<mix22891>i've tryed to install
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06:54<mix22891>how to install ? i don't know
06:55<wompa>apt-get update
06:55<wompa>apt-get install pppoeconf
06:55<wompa>Then it should be installed if you don't get any problems...
06:55*bluewater wonders why mix22891 sent me a CTCP
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07:00<gepla>hi all
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07:02<gepla>can somebody tell me how to repair the login of gnome? I have a failure report "/usr/var/Libgconf2-4/gkonf-sanity-check status 256
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07:02<floyd__>Heya! I need a library not found in debian/aptosids repositories, could anyone help me package it as a .deb? Or recommend an alternative to Intels probabilistic network library?
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07:05<gepla>nobody any idea?
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07:16<wompa>I wonder if it's good or bad that I don't see mix22891 back yet... well, I'm off anyway
07:17<jm_>deavid: no worries
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07:17<jm_>drii: if you're still here - it's a display manager
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07:38<ratnick>Hi all. I have just installed squeeze. I ran some diagnostics, cleaned out unnecessary files. Now I have a compressed folder with the results in text files to be analyzed. Will anyone look these over and make a list of things to do to button this system up?
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08:03<duan_huiqiang>"stopping domain name service : lwresd failed", I got this message when I shutdown my laptop, then X-window can't be seen.
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08:04<jm_>of course it can't be seen if you shut it down
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08:05<duan_huiqiang>jm_: I can't login use tty ,too. the screen is black.
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08:07<duan_huiqiang>jm_: i mean when i open my compute
08:07<jm_>duan_huiqiang: do you have keyboard leds? can you still ping it?
08:08<duan_huiqiang>jm_: i am sorry. i can't understand what you mean
08:09<jm_>duan_huiqiang: does your keyboard haves LED lights? can you ping your computer from another one when this happens?
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08:09<duan_huiqiang>jm_: yes, it has LED light
08:10<jm_>duan_huiqiang: what's their status when this happens?
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08:13<duan_huiqiang>jm_:disk light flick some times and then down
08:13<duan_huiqiang> i can login as root at recovery mode.
08:13<jm_>duan_huiqiang: is this a laptop?
08:14<jm_>ok so it probably has no keyboard leds
08:14<ratnick>I have the following text files for analysis: lsat, tiger, lsat.md5.old, lsat old, bleachbit
08:14<duan_huiqiang>jm_: i did some upgrade yesterday
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08:16<jm_>duan_huiqiang: like?
08:16<duan_huiqiang>jm_: wireless light is bright, num lock and caps lock is not.
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08:17<duan_huiqiang>jm_: i don't know, i just "apt-get update"
08:17<jm_>duan_huiqiang: so the lights are not flashing when this happens?
08:17<jm_>do you have another computer?
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08:19<duan_huiqiang>yes, my roommates'. but they are all windows
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08:19<jm_>ok try to connect to your system when you see this problem
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08:21<duan_huiqiang>i don't know how to connect my system use another computer
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08:22<DePhille>Hi! I have a LAN ( with Debian boxes. One of the boxes (ALPHA) is connected to a VPN with subnet ALPHA is already set up to route traffic between both subnets.
08:22<jm_>you can use putty on windows
08:22<DePhille>However, currently I need to add static routes to all other Debian boxes (using route add) so they know to send traffic to ALPHA.
08:22<DePhille>How can I distribute these routes from the ALPHA box so that I don't have to add them manually on each machine?
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08:25<duan_huiqiang>it sound too hard to me. could you tell it detailed ?
08:25<jm_>DePhille: check if DHCP can be used
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08:26<jm_>duan_huiqiang: uff install openssh-server on your debian system, run putty on windows (it's a GUI app so should be trivial to use it)
08:26<DePhille>jm_: There's already a router in the LAN connected to the Internet whoch also does DHCP, so I think it'll cause conflicts
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08:26<duan_huiqiang>jm_:ok, i will try. thank you so much.
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08:29<DePhille>Perhaps some kind of routing protocol? Can RIP do this for example?
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08:30<jm_>I'm affraid I am not familiar with that to answer, sorry
08:31<DePhille>Hmm, okay, thanks anyway! :)
08:31<DePhille>Ah, perhaps any idea where I could find an answer?
08:31<jm_>maybe also try asking on the debian-user mailing list
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08:32<DePhille>Okay, thanks!
08:32<ratnick>maybe some networking forum
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08:33<DYSW>Does anyone know if a a vps server load can be affected by other users on the hostsystem ?
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08:34<DYSW>Got this small setup with a mediawiki. it gets 0-20 pageviews a day. Nothing. the system load is usually around 0.01 0.05. very low
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08:35<DYSW>But a few times a day for 6-10 mins the system load goes way up. 6.00 to 8.00. And when i look in top at these times all the programs only pull as much memory and ram as always
08:38<grove>DYSW: It depends on the virtualisation solution
08:38<DYSW>sorry forgot to mention its Qemu/kvm the host system runs and debian of course
08:39<DYSW>8 thret server, 8 vps on it, each is allocated 4 thret use
08:39<DYSW>so cpu use is overlapping i guess
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09:56<mylove90>Hi All
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09:57<mylove90>i am new to debian and i think i made something wrong
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09:57<mylove90>my laptop boots debian in command line
09:58<JtheLinuxGuy>Hello everyone. I think my RAID5 on my Debian server may have a bad drive. How do I know for sure?
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09:59<mylove90>How to fix it?
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10:00<wompa>mylove90, did you choose "Desktop environment" when you installed Debian?
10:00<BendIt>hi @all
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10:01<mylove90>yes but i think download wasn't completed
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10:02<wompa>mylove90, but did the installation of Debian seem to complete?
10:03<mylove90>yes it completed
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10:04<mylove90>maybe i need to install desktop environment
10:04<mylove90>but how?!
10:04<Avve>Hello everyone!
10:04<wompa>mylove90, did you get this during install? (Or maybe you used the more "graphical" installer)?
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10:06<wompa>mylove90, what version did you install, Debian Squeeze?
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10:06<mylove90>latest testing amd64 version
10:06<mylove90>it was more graphical
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10:07<wompa>mylove90, I guess you should recognize the picture anyway...
10:08<mylove90>oh god
10:08<mylove90>i used live usb image
10:08<mylove90>used the iso to make that usb flash drive
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10:08<Sicelo>what about apt-get install xserver-xorg-core?
10:09<OpenTokix>this is not my loginpromt =)
10:09<mylove90>i log in my account & root also
10:10<nah>shouldn't aptitude install xorg with either gnome or kde?
10:10<Sicelo>nope. it doesn't
10:10<babilen>mylove90: You most likely want to install X and Gnome. Ask our bot about <install x> and <install gnome> for details on how to do that. I would also not recommend testing to someone who is new to Debian, but meh
10:10<wompa>mylove90, you could install like the gnome package, kde-standard, or some other desktop environment or so, or try to run the tasksel: login as root, and type "tasksel" hit enter, choose desktop.
10:11<Sicelo>u can install gnome without x server.. it is strange, but true.. it happened for me at least
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10:12<mylove90>ok thanks guys
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10:12<wompa>OpenTokix, wrong password, try again ;)
10:13<scraze>JtheLinuxGuy: check part 2 of (and perhaps the rest of that doc if indeed it has failed)
10:13<Avve>Hello everybody
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10:14<babilen>mylove90: Ah, it might not be obvious *how* to ask our bot. "/msg dpkg install gnome" and "/msg dpkg install x" is what you are after. You will also see references such as "<foo> ... <bar>" to other factoids.
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10:15<scraze>is there an overview/index of dpkg's knowledge somewhere? couldn't find it in the FAQ
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10:17<kabars_edge>scraze: man dpkg : LOL, JK
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10:17<babilen>!tell scraze -about dpkgbot
10:17<scraze>thanks babilen!
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10:18<endal>hi, something strange is happening when I execute a very simple program (actually, got the problem on a bigger one but it appears too in the small one)
10:18<endal>when I execute:
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10:19<endal>i get as output: [0][0][4195392][0]
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10:20<endal>since I didn't initialise the array, isn't it supposed be a null array?
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10:22<anbe>endal, no it isn't
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10:24<rpetre>endal: no, it has whatever was in those memory addresses before (that's how buffer overflow exploits work)
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10:26<endal>I see, so I can't check if a certain element of the array has already been initialized or not? (besides clearly initialize it by myself with a specific value and check afterwards if it has been changed) )
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10:28<zsolt>hi there.I'm looking for a solution to connect to my sftp server from a website.could somebody give any hints?thank you
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10:30<bfly>does work reliably these days?
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10:31<rpetre>bfly: is just a dns geolocation service pointing to a mirror near you
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10:32<bfly>rpetre: i'm aware of this, but it's not an answer to my question. ;-)
10:32<bfly>thanks for the hint, though.
10:33<rpetre>bfly: you may want to define want you understand by "work" and "reliably", then :)
10:33<shanks>like cloudflare
10:34<shanks>i have a questeion related to this actually. when you install debian it gives you a list of servers to use for packages. it tells you that ones close to you may not be fastest best. how do you actually find out which one *is* actually best?
10:34<rpetre>shanks: apt-spy ;)
10:35<shanks>ooooh now there's a command I've never heard of ;0
10:36<bfly>rpetre: does it, for the very most of DNS requests it receives, respond in an RFC-compliant way to this response, and respond with a hostname of a live debian mirror which is in a geographically OR network topographically nearby location to that of the requesting party?
10:36<bfly>i'm sure i'm missing some criteria there.
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10:37<rpetre>bfly: i don't know the exact specs, but i think it just points you to
10:37<rpetre>where cc is your detected country code
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10:38<bfly>thanks for your response, rpetre
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10:38<rpetre>bfly: i'm not sure though, i don't use it much
10:39<rpetre>i maintain a mirror anyway so i tend to hardcode it on my machines so i know when it's out of sync :)
10:40<shanks>rpetre: my God. and I thought you were kidding. There *is* an apt-spy! ! :)
10:40<Avve>Hello everybody
10:41<shanks>rpetre: is it safe to run it if you've modified your apt sources ?
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10:41<bfly>rpetre: yeah it actually works differently, but i figured i'll just use/monitor it for a while and see how it performs.
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10:42<rpetre>shanks: all it does is suggest a mirror and maybe update your sources.list. if you modify sources.list you need an apt-get update, there's no deeper magic
10:43<loopa>I have debian squeeze with LXDE window manager.
10:43<loopa>Problem is that my resolution now is 1280x1204 and i want it to be 1024x768 and, because i have old computer and monitor so it's slow. I can change resolution with lxrandr, but after next boot it still be 1280x1204. So lxrandr doesn't save settings. I am new with linux.
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10:43<loopa>Someone have same problem or found some solution?
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10:46<nicola>I have a question...
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10:46<FingerWizard>nicola: ask
10:46<bfly>loopa: i don't know the proper lxde way to do it (assuming there is one), but you can surely set it in xorg.conf.
10:47<nicola>is possible to change IBeam cursor?
10:47<sney>loopa: I remember hearing that lxde supports an script, so you could put an xrandr command line in there. I'm not sure where it goes though; maybe in .lxde
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10:49<nicola>I would like a thinner cursor
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10:50<FingerWizard>nicola: look in settings?
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10:50<loopa>Thanks. I try.
10:51<nicola>all predefined themes have ibeam cursors with large border
10:51<nicola>for text editing this type of cursor is uncomfortable
10:51<nicola>this is the only defect I founded in xubuntu...
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10:53<sney>!ubuntuirc nicola
10:53<dpkg>nicola: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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11:06<wompa>loopa, I think you mean 1024x768, not 1204, I guess it was a typo (but you made it twice)
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11:11<loopa>Yes it was typo. :O
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11:28<dpkg>balemolaaaa: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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11:47<ballison>i'm still trying to mitigate the Partial Content exploit for apache. I put "RequestHeader unset Range" into my httpd.conf and that sorta worked, but not when you make an actual range request. nessus is still firing that the exploit appears.
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11:54<ivanillo>ke tal os va?
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11:55<dpkg>ivanillo: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
11:56<ivanillo>ke me ableeeen
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11:57<ballison>how do i install a apachage module? i'm trying to install (yet another) midigation patch for the Partial Content apache bug
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11:59<ballison>i download the binary modules for it and I don't know what to do. no instructions given.
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12:00<ballison> is what came in the package
12:01<ballison>i assumed you would copy the .nlm file to the apache modules directory and then load it in the httpd.conf
12:03<kabars_edge>ballison: apacheage module? why didn't you just install the apache2.2-bin from the repo?
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12:11<ballison>kabars_edge: I don't follow
12:12<ballison>this is a production apache server with hand built modules. i can't just "apt-get install" here.
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12:15<ballison>it's a .nlm file - i copied it to the apache/modules directory but it will not load...
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12:16<babilen>ballison: That bug has been fixed in all available Debian package (cf.
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12:17<babilen>(pedantic persons might argue that the bug has only been fixed in the apache packages and *not* in *all* packages)
12:17<ballison>babilen: but i can't install that version because of the hand built apache for production. i just need to know how to make the midigations work.... each one i've tried from the list has failed to actually stop Range: requests.
12:18<ballison>load /usr/local/apache2.2.8/modules/mod_rangecnt.nlm into server: /usr/local/apache2.2.8/modules/mod_rangecnt.nlm: invalid ELF header
12:18<ballison>that's the error i get when i try to load the module
12:18<babilen>ballison: I would say that from our perspective (i.e. Debian's) the problem has been solved. If you decide not to use Debian's packages you should ask #httpd on for support of your apache installation.
12:19<babilen>I also don't quite understand why you are not able to use Debian's apache version.
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12:20<babilen>ballison: All that being said: The invalid ELF header error is typically indicative of a mismatch in architectures. (e.g. i386 vs amd64) -- But please either use Debian's packages or ask upstream for support.
12:20<kabars_edge>babilen: probably because it's precompiled and doesn't have the necessary modules compiled into it.
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12:21<babilen>ballison: You are also apparently running a very old version of Apache that is likely to be vulnerable to other exploits as well. But well, who am I to tell you how to secure your services. You know your options and I wish you all the best.
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12:26<jesus>alguien de huelca
12:26<jesus>alguien de huelva
12:26<babilen>!es-social jesus
12:26<dpkg>jesus: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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12:43<nah>shouldn't aptitude install xorg with either gnome or kde?
12:43<nah>sorry not this window :/
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12:45<Sicelo>i think xorg isn't a dependency, hence not automatically installed
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13:21<chealer>hi. could anyone using a current release (with PHP 5.3) please try running and provide their output or just report whether they get a notice/error or not? It should generate one as shown on but I'm getting nothing ( ), looks like a Debian PHP bug.
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13:25<retrospectacus>chealer: (no error)
13:25<retrospectacus>nor with php -f test.php
13:25<chealer>thanks retrospectacus
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13:51<nubetube>Hey all
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13:51<nubetube>Can someone help me with something? I have wheezy installed and installed the new ATI Catalyst drivers (manually). X starts fine. However, when I close ANY program, X crashes
13:52<retrospectacus>check the logs: ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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13:53<crd>and if you can't interpret the logs yourself, put a copy of them on
13:54<Black_Prince>nubetube, catalyst drivers don't work with X server 1.11.x
13:55<Zaba>you'll have to wait for catalyst 11.12
13:55<nubetube>From what I'm seeing, there's a fatal server error (Caugh Signal 11 (Segnmentation fault). Server aborting)
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13:56<nubetube>Black_Prince: So what drivers should I use?
13:56<Black_Prince>Or either, downgrade to x server 1.10.4
13:56<Black_Prince>nubetube, as Zaba pointed out, you have to wait for catalyst 11.12 ... None currently works.
13:57<nubetube>So I'm either stuck using the terminal or downgrading xorg?
13:57<Black_Prince>nubetube, or as I pointed out before that, downgrade to X server.
13:57<Black_Prince>nubetube, correct. Or if your card is supported by radeon driver, use it.
13:57<nubetube>Let's try that.
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13:58<Black_Prince>nubetube, if you need to downgrade, just /msg dpkg sdo
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14:01<eimantas> good
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14:04<crd>mmyes, quite
14:05*crd hands nubetube a plate of scones and clotted cream
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14:05<nubetube>lol. I (EE) Screens found, but none have a usable configuration. (when using the radeon drivers)
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14:06<crd>yeah, for the time being it's maybe the safest bet to use the free drivers
14:06<nubetube>which are what?
14:06<nodiscc>hi, I have this strange problem. Network Manager asks me for my password everytime i try to connect to a wireless network. Moreover it doesn't store the wpa passphrases in my keyring, but in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/* IN CLEARTEXT.
14:06<nubetube>crd: what are the free drivers?
14:06<nodiscc>How do I disable this and set it back to use user-specific connections?
14:06<crd>nubetube: xserver-xorg-video-radeon
14:07<nubetube>crd: yea, but when I use it, it gives that error above.
14:08<crd>what card are you using anyway?
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14:08<nubetube>crd: ATI Radeon HD 6670
14:09<elsdyr>how can I generate a MD5SUM.txt file over a recursive directory structure like on the debian-netinst iso? Or more precise: How are those files generated?
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14:09<crd>hmm, that should Just Work™ nubetube, strange.
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14:10<nubetube>maybe if I comment out all the fancy-shmancy things that aticonfig --initial created in the xorg.conf and just go with the bare "radeon" driver in the Device section, that may work?
14:11<chealer>!screens found
14:11<dpkg>no screens found is probably not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about <troubleshooting x>.
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14:11<chealer>nubetube: you could just remove the file
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14:11<ballison>is there a way to query a binary for it's compile time build options? I have a http binary and I need to build new one WITH THE EXACT SAME OPTIONS... but i need to know how to get those options
14:11<chealer>nubetube: which driver did you use before Catalyst?
14:12<nubetube>chealer: Don't recall. There was no xorg.conf
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14:12<chealer>nubetube: just try it anyway
14:12<nubetube>chealer: removing xorg.conf?
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14:12<chealer>nubetube: yes, and report errors
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14:14<nubetube>chealer: same: (EE) Screens(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. Followed by a "Fatal Server Error: no screens found" -- That's after I removed xorg.conf
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14:14<chealer>nubetube: see above. provide the log
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14:15<nubetube>I won't be able to. :\ I don't have X. Right now, I'm pretty much using irssi through a VM in my windows box. :P
14:16<crd>you can use irssi without X you know...
14:16<nubetube>crd: I'm aware. ;) I'm just on two different boxes.
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14:17<crd>use oone of these to upload the logs:
14:17<jhutchins_lt>nubetube: So you ran testing and found a problem. That's what testing's for.
14:17<chealer>or just transfer it through HTTP or SSH
14:18<jhutchins_lt>nubetube: If you need to use that system run stable on it.
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14:18<nubetube>jhutchins_lt: really? hrm. I wasn't aware of that, captain obvious. I am not complaining that it's NOT working -- I'm trying to see if there is a fix.
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14:18<olivetree>Hi guys :)
14:18<jose>k es esto
14:19<jose>kien eres
14:19<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:19<jhutchins_lt>nubetube: If the folks here are unable to come up with something you can try #debian-next on this server.
14:19<jose>vaya miereda
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14:19<nubetube>jhutchins_lt: thanks ;) I'll definitely check it out.
14:19<jhutchins_lt>nubetube: You'd be surprized at the number of people who run into bugs in testing and are SHOCKED. They think it's newer stuff all the cool kids are running.
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14:20<olivetree>guy's can you help me with something abou the XServer?
14:21<nubetube>jhutchins_lt: I'm aware of the "issues" that pretty much exist on testing. And I'm okay with it. I use it to learn, really. But just found it weird that when I was just closing apps in X, X would just crash.
14:21<nubetube>olivetree: what's the question?
14:21<crd>all the cool guys are runngin unstable ;)
14:21<olivetree>how can i prevent remote access to my XServer?
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14:22<olivetree>i set up a iptables firewall, but i think it goes around
14:22<nubetube>crd: I'm brave, but not that brave. lol
14:22<olivetree>i think it has something do do with the $Display variable, but i'm not shure
14:22<crd>olivetree: the -nolisten option
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14:22<olivetree>ok on the startX?
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14:23<crd>your desktop manager probably uses it by default
14:23<crd>if not, in xinitrc
14:23<olivetree>yes, it does -nolisten tcp
14:23<olivetree>ok :)
14:23<olivetree>thanks a lot
14:24<crd>whoops, xserverrc*
14:24<olivetree>ah. ok
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14:27<nubetube>Well, the radeon driver, which seems to be the one being used after I removed xorg.conf, seems to be complaining about "Chipset: "TURKS" requiring KMS"
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14:28<chealer>nubetube: which Linux image do you use?
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14:29<crd>try `rmmod radeon; modprobe readeon modeset=1'
14:30<crd>then restart your server
14:30<nubetube>Module radeon does not exist in /proc/modules
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14:31<chealer>nubetube: did you reboot after using fglrx?
14:31<crd>it wasn't already loaded then
14:31<crd>use the modprobe command on its own
14:32<sean>Hi everyone. I'm trying to install Debian 6.0.3 from the Net Install ISO on a VM and I keep getting an error saying the mirror does not support the specified release (squeeze). This happens no matter which mirror I select.
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14:33<nubetube>chealer: Indeed I did. However, because X wasn't loading anything, I had to use the recovery console
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14:33<chealer>nubetube: the recovery console? do you mean just the console or what?
14:34<chealer>a tty?
14:34<nubetube>Apologies. recovery mode
14:34<chealer>nubetube: you had to reboot and select a rescue mode entry in GRUB?
14:34<crd>runlevel 1/S you mean?
14:35<nubetube>chealer: Yea. When I boot without recovery mode, the cursor just keeps flashing repeatedly on the top left of the screen (after everything has loaded).
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14:36<Black_Prince>fglrx needs to be purged for radeon blacklist to be remoed
14:37<nubetube>Black_Prince: since it wasn't installed using the repo, I could just do ati*.run --uninstall, correcnt?
14:37<chealer>nubetube: that happens when your display manager starts when it's using radeon?
14:38<Black_Prince>nubetube, probably. I never used fglrx nor I have radeon card
14:38<nicelie>i just finished new debian installation with xfce. i cant find any settings related for tap-click with laptop touchpad in mouse settings. is there any way to get it back?
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14:38<nubetube>chealer: I'm going to try what Black_Prince suggested and completely remove the fglrx drivers
14:38<nubetube>then reboot.
14:39<chealer>nubetube: good idea, yes. don't understand the incompatibility between radeon and fglrx
14:39<nubetube>chealer: but to answer your question, Xorg.0.log is still complaining about KMS being required
14:39<Black_Prince>nubetube, that is because radeon is blacklisted and can't be loaded.
14:39<chealer>nubetube: yeah, do try getting rid of fglrx
14:41<nubetube>So if it's blacklisted, and can't be loaded, should I install the glx-alternative-fglrx package?
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14:41<nicelie>i just finished new debian installation with xfce. i cant find any settings related for tap-click with laptop touchpad in mouse settings. is there any way to get it back?
14:41<Black_Prince>uninstalling fglrx will fix it
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14:43<chealer>possibly purging even
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14:43<nubetube>Black_Prince: Same thing when I rebooted. Black screen with fast-blinking cursor on the top left of the screen. I can ctrl+alt+delete to send a term signal and reboot
14:43<nubetube>But nothing appears
14:44<Black_Prince>when that screen appears, switch to vt using ctrl+alt+f1
14:44<Black_Prince>er s/vt/tty/
14:45<nubetube>Same thing, unfortunately.
14:45<Black_Prince>boot with radeon.modeset=1 kernel parameter?
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14:46<nubetube>I put that after ro quiet, right? Just want to double check
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14:47<nubetube>Same thing, yea.
14:48<Black_Prince>hmm ...
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14:50<nubetube>has me perplexed as well.
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14:58<nubetube>Hey Black_Prince would X be affected if there was a plethora of xorg.conf.fglrx-* files in /etc/X11/?
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14:59<Black_Prince>Erm, yes.
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14:59<retrospectacus>I believe those are just backups/reference - check in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ though
14:59<Black_Prince>But, if Xorg isn't set to auto start, that would not matter. Only thing that could matter are files that contain "blacklist radeon" in /etc/modprobe.d
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15:01<nubetube>Which is the fglrx-driver.conf in that directory
15:02<nubetube>I should delete that, eh?
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15:03<chealer>nubetube: normally purging fglrx packages should take care of that
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15:05<nubetube>yep. that did it.
15:05<nubetube>I totally forgot to purge fglrx
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15:07<nubetube>I love you guys <3
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15:08<nubetube>Only problem is the small artifacts that are on screen because of the radeon driver. But until Catalyst comes out with a more stable driver, this will suffice
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15:10<chealer>nubetube: do you have firmware-linux-nonfree ?
15:10<nubetube>I dont think so
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15:10<chealer>nubetube: I recommend you try it
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15:12<nubetube>Might have to. The radeon driver froze X lol
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15:12<Black_Prince>erm, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if it is still loading radeon components. Also, check ls -l /usr/lib/
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15:14<Black_Prince>hrm, s/radeon/fglrx/
15:15<jw>ntfs-3g is a CPU hog....
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15:15<nubetube>Black_Prince: no such file or directory for
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15:15<Black_Prince>nubetube, what architecture?
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15:16<Black_Prince>ls -l /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ then
15:16<nubetube>kernel 3.0.0-1-686-pae
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15:18<nodiscc>So, does anyone have a clue about my NetworkManager problem? NM asks me for an admin password everytime i try to connect to a wireless network in the nm-applet list.
15:18<nubetube>And no, I checked to see if fglrx was being ran anywhere in the Xorg.0.log using grep. Nothing in there
15:19<nodiscc>Then it stores the WPA passphrase _unencrypted_ in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
15:19<nubetube>nodiscc: What are you trying to do exactly
15:19<nodiscc>bad idea
15:19<Black_Prince>nubetube, post Xorg.0.log to pastebin ... If you are unable to copy paste use pastebinit.
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15:20<nodiscc>nubetube, hi, I just want to restore the old behaviour, that's to say when you click a wireless network in NM's list, it sets the connection only for your user
15:20<nodiscc>and stores the passphrase in the keyring
15:20<Black_Prince>nodiscc, unmark "System connection" in preferences?
15:20<nodiscc>for some reason it stopped working like that. Now it stores the connections for all users.
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15:21<nodiscc>Black_Prince: yeah, but then I have to edit the connection AFTER it is created. I want this to be the default (user-specific, passphrase stored in keyring). Good old days.
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15:22<Black_Prince>nodiscc, then send a patch to bts ...
15:22<nodiscc>Now when i click a network in the list, it asks for my PolicyKit password. If I refuse to give it, it simply cancels connecting.
15:22<nodiscc>Black_Prince, if only i knew where that setting is :)
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15:23<nodiscc>I did not find anythin in gconf or dconf
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15:23<Black_Prince>nubetube, looks right to me
15:23*olivetree Já volta. Cigarrinho time :)
15:23<nubetube>Black_Prince: Indeed it does.
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15:24<nubetube>As soon as I fire up X, though, goes to poop
15:24<Black_Prince>nubetube, just ls -l /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ now ...
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15:25<nodiscc>Black_Prince, does NM ask you for your root password when you try to connect to a wifi network?
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15:25<Black_Prince>nodiscc, I don't use nm at all now, and I don't have wireless connection either.
15:25<nodiscc>maybe i'm the only one having this problem.
15:25<Black_Prince>nodiscc, I think that is group related. Your user needs to be in netdev I think ...
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15:26<nodiscc>I thought so. So i put myself in netdev and logged out. No result.
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15:26<nubetube>Black_Prince: output for that: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Nov 4 14:39 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ ->
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15:27<Black_Prince>nubetube, excelent ... Now just install firmware-linux-nonfree and try.
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15:27<nubetube>Hrm. Apparently it was already installed. o_O
15:28<nubetube>welp. let's see if it freezes up again.
15:29*olivetree Back
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15:29<nubetube>lol I'm sure it's going to happen. Seeing the artifacts again ^_^
15:29<nodiscc>I just found this in NM's changelog: User settings have been merged into the core daemon, i.e. system connections by default. Explains why I have this problem.
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15:30<nodiscc>Having system-wide connections doesn't bother me, I just want my passphrases to be encrypted there. So I'll have to figure out how to do this.
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15:31<chealer>nubetube: does it freeze with 100% CPU usage?
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15:32<nubetube>Haven't checked it out
15:33<nubetube>But probably so. If freezes and I can only move the mouse
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15:34<freakstensen>i'm trying to compile 3.0.8 in debian lenny "from box" and getting error 2 : Documentation/lguest: No such file or directory. Stop. how to fix it?
15:35<nubetube>just ran top on one screen on one tty and it looks fine. The CPU thaht is. it's at 99.9%id
15:35<abrotman>freakstensen: uh .. wtf, why?
15:35<abrotman>freakstensen: a) why aren't you on squeeze b) why do you need 3.x?
15:36<freakstensen>abrotman: i don't need a 3x, an i'm not on squeeze cause hoster chosen by my company doesn't propose squeeze, just lenny 2.6.26....
15:37<freakstensen>which i'm now trying to upgrade but first wanna compile kernel
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15:38<abrotman>freakstensen: FWIW, lenny will likely only get security til february or march
15:38<abrotman>freakstensen: why not just create the file ?
15:39<freakstensen>abrotman: I know next step will be dist-upgrade
15:39<freakstensen>hmm, i think there will other files missing wonn't they?
15:39<crd>known but #638012
15:40<Black_Prince>freakstensen, in lenny, no ... Only kernel-package from experimental could build 3.x.x kernels :-|
15:40<freakstensen>so i just need 2.6.x kernel?
15:40<Black_Prince>Lenny has 2.6.32 in backports... I think that newer kernels require even newer udev.
15:40<freakstensen>I actually don't care much, just 2.6.26 is to old
15:41<abrotman>freakstensen: if the 2.6.xx you have already works .. why mess with it?
15:41<retrospectacus>"too old" for what??
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15:42<freakstensen>abrotman: i'm gentoo protagonist =)
15:42<kooll>retrospectacus: for pretty much anythign, really. no recent drivers included, no performance fix, no nice features. no nothing ;)
15:42<freakstensen>retrospectacus: drivers, memcontrol, cache, changelog for else)
15:42<retrospectacus>riiiight it basically doesn't work at all eh... -.-
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15:43<retrospectacus>cool words bro
15:43<freakstensen>retrospectacus: linux kernell improved a bit for last 3 years)
15:43<kooll>retrospectacus: it does run the system. It's old. linux has changed a lot since then.
15:43<Black_Prince>perhaps it is time for lenny to upgrade to squeeze?
15:44<kooll>even now, I need kernel from squeeze-backports just to use hardware on my servers ... and there are things I want to test in 3.x :)
15:44<freakstensen>Black_Prince: right about to make dist upgrade, but wanted to build new kernel
15:44<Black_Prince>freakstensen, once again -> <Black_Prince> Lenny has 2.6.32 in backports... I think that newer kernels require even newer udev.
15:44<kooll>freakstensen: I wouldn't do that.
15:45<kooll>freakstensen: dist-upgrade first, change kernel later.
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15:45<freakstensen>kooll: gcc version?
15:45<kooll>(because, yes, you will need some reboot on squeeze kernel to get the new udev)
15:45<freakstensen>kooll: i get it
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15:46<kooll>else you will have a really messed up system. udev not working after boot is kind of ugly
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15:50*olivetree Bom Janta Time. Até logo ou Até amanhã :) Beijinhos e Abraços a Todos :) [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]****************************
15:50<gdb>Squeeze was released back in February. If your hosting provider still doesn't offer it, fire them and get a new provider. That's inexcusable laziness.
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15:51<gdb>They've had 9 months to do whatever fiddling with it they need to do to get it working in their environment. That they've not done so tells me they're idiots.
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15:51<scraze>freakstensen: the completest doc for upgrading lenny->squeeze:
15:52<gdb>I normally hate people that give that sort of glib answer to a problem, but this circumstance really is completely inexcusable.
15:52<freakstensen>gdb: right u are but i'm admin and I have what i've been give so I will work with this)
15:53<gdb>hehe well, good luck to you :-)
15:53<freakstensen>scraze: thank you! :)
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15:57<scraze>anyone recognise this? "File descriptor 3 (pipe:[10817419]) leaked on lvs invocation. Parent PID 23340: /bin/sh" (during apt-get upgrade, grub postinst; backing up a corrupted external hd so the load for the hd controller is high)
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15:59<scraze>nm, reducing search terms yielded results - seems to be a harmless warning.
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16:07<nubetube>Damn radeon driver.
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16:13<nubetube>maybe if I disable KMS
16:13<nubetube>Black_Prince: You think that might work?
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16:14<chealer>nubetube: is the radeon LKM loaded now?
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16:14<nubetube>chealer: how would I check that?
16:14<chealer>nubetube: what does $ lsmod|grep radeon; output?
16:15<nubetube>lkm isn't loaded, no
16:15<chealer>nubetube: try loading it
16:16<nubetube>ttm, drm_kms_helper, drm, i2c_algo_bit, i2c_core and power supp[le is what I see
16:16<nubetube>Module LKM not found.
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16:17<crd>LKM stands for Linux Kernel Module, what you're looking for is a module called "radeon".
16:17<nubetube>radeon is there, but nothing after it.
16:17<nubetube>As in it's on the list of lsmod | grep radeon
16:18<crd>yes, that won't print anything else, because you're only looking for lines with the word "radeon" on them (hence the pipe to grep)
16:18<nubetube>Right. The aforementioned modules are what's loaded, as mentioned above.
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16:20<chealer>nubetube: from what you're saying, the radeon module is loaded then. so nevermind
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16:21<crd>you're wanting to disable KMS on it right?
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16:21<gungfuwayne>hello folks
16:21<gungfuwayne>what would be the best way to duplicate the partition table from one CF disk to another?
16:21<nubetube>Yea. I'm assuming that's a fix, from what I'm reading/
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16:22<crd>nubetube: rmmod radeon; modprobe radeon modeset=0
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16:25<retrospectacus>gungfuwayne: sfdisk
16:25<gungfuwayne>sfdisk <dev1> -O <saved_image> && sfdisk <dev> -I <saved_image>
16:25<gungfuwayne>just found that in the sfdisk manual
16:25<retrospectacus>looks about right
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16:28<scraze>gungfuwayne: if that's too long for you, you could even go with "sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb" ;]
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16:28<BlackDragon42>Hello everyone.
16:29<BlackDragon42>Not much. Haven't been here in quite awhile.
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16:30<nubetube>crd: After I stopped GDM, rmmod is complaining that radeon is still in use.
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16:31<gungfuwayne>thanks scraze, that actually looks better than what i used
16:32<scraze>BlackDragon42: you might want to watch your back - there's a Black Prince in here
16:33<BlackDragon42>At least it isn't St. George...
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16:35<BlackDragon42>Well, my nick goes back to my AD&D playing days...
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16:37<FingerWizard>BlackDragon42: Awe yeah! Nothing puts a bigger grin on your face than rolling a 20 on a bluff check!
16:37<retrospectacus>BlackDragon42: please join #debian-offtopic to chat. Keep this channel on topic (Debian support) :)
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16:37<BlackDragon42>I played it Old School... 2nd Edition.
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16:38<crd>nubetube: what does the Used by column say for your radeon module?
16:38<BlackDragon42>But anyways, it is pretty quiet in here... Usually there's a lot of hustle and bustle.
16:38<nubetube>crd: Nothing. Just get an "ERROR: Module radeon is in use"
16:39<BlackDragon42>nubetube: Are you sure nothing else is accessing that module?
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16:40<nubetube>Well, I killed gdm
16:40<nubetube>so nothing else should be using it, no
16:41<BlackDragon42>And you're down to the console, right?
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16:42<nubetube>Indeed I am, my good man.
16:42<BlackDragon42>Did you do ps -aux?
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16:43<BlackDragon42>May want to add a | more to that.
16:43<nubetube>Not that long, actually. But, tty2 is on /bin/login -- Everything else is on tty*
16:44<BlackDragon42>There are no graphics related programs running at all?
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16:45<nubetube>Not that I can see.
16:45<BlackDragon42>Any ideas crd?
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16:46<BlackDragon42>I think I had a similar problem years ago... I installed Debian on a non-standard piecemeal of a computer and eventually got everything to work. Just wish I could remember what I did...
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16:47<scraze>nubetube: you can try to force rmmod (rmmod -f), but it might end up hanging (to be solved by a reboot)
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16:47<nubetube>Well, this box is brand new. :) core i5-2500k, 8GB of DDR3, 1TB HDD, and a Radeon HD 6670
16:48<nubetube>This is why I hate ATI cards under Linux
16:48<retrospectacus>try ''lsof |grep radeon''
16:48<BlackDragon42>They CAN be quite a pain, but once you get them to work...
16:49<nubetube>lol hang it did, scraze
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16:49<scraze>aww :} apologies
16:50<BlackDragon42>The only problem with Linux is the drivers are either not there or are not as well supported as Windows versions, since most users use Windows, anyways.
16:50<BlackDragon42>Nobody's fault but the manufacturers.
16:51<nubetube>retrospectacus: lsof produced nothing
16:51<BlackDragon42>Again, hmmm...
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16:51<retrospectacus>hmm, well that would seem to indicate it is not in use
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16:52<BlackDragon42>This is a bit of a puzzler...
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16:54<BlackDragon42>Where's Sherlock Holmes when you need him? :)
16:54<nubetube>You're telling me. lol
16:54<crd>i've found one (fairly common) exception to the "windows has better drivers than linux" situation: wireless drivers, when they exist, expose a lot more functionality on linux
16:54<nubetube>crd: touche
16:54<BlackDragon42>That is very true...
16:54<nubetube>I was here expecting I could get this spanking new box running testing...
16:55<nubetube>Might seem like squeeze might be the best route :(
16:56<nubetube>You think an older version of the ATI drivers might work?
16:56<bfly>is there an apt-get equivalent to dpkg -i --force-depends foo?
16:56<crd>probably, nubetube
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16:57<nubetube>I'm going to have to try 11.8
16:57<crd>no bfly, since apt repos should provide all the depends you need
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16:58<bfly>crd: i see. but is there a way to just install one package without having to install all of its dependencies, using apt-get?
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16:59<nubetube>the worse that could happen is that X won't start again
16:59<nubetube>so... yep
16:59<retrospectacus>bfly: you're not making sense
17:00<retrospectacus>bfly: you cannot install a package without installing its dependencies. That's what dependence means
17:00<crd>sure bfly: apt-get download foo; dpkg -i --force-depends foo*.deb
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17:00<crd>but if you don't have the depends it probably won't work
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17:01<bfly>crd: hmm right this should work. thanks.
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17:02<nubetube>Hrm. The installer is complaining about there being previous install of fglrx installed on the system.
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17:08<XXX_NICK_XXX>howdy everyone
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17:10<chealer>I filed the PHP bug as #647641
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17:12<XXX_NICK_XXX>why is the boot for linny and squeeze so lousy?
17:13<BlackDragon42>Why so?
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17:13<cmr>My boot time is <15 seconds.
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17:13*retrospectacus can't remember the last time he booted
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17:13<scraze>dependency based booting was introduced at squeeze right?
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17:14<BlackDragon42>Have you trimmed down any unnecessary drivers?
17:14<retrospectacus>scraze: yes
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17:15<nubetube>Gents, virtual packages. How can I remove them? apt is complaining that it can't remove certain fglrx stuff because of it
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17:15<scraze>XXX_NICK_XXX: you might want to play around with the package bootchart
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17:18<XXX_NICK_XXX>I have been totally unable to boot either one
17:19<XXX_NICK_XXX>how do I do that?
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17:23<retrospectacus>XXX_NICK_XXX: what have you tried, and what happens?
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17:25<XXX_NICK_XXX>when it tries to boot, i get some wierd error messages
17:25<nubetube>Welp, stable it is
17:25<XXX_NICK_XXX>they aren't constitant
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17:27<retrospectacus>nubetube: stable + backports is a good option these days I think
17:27<nubetube>what are the backport repos
17:29<nubetube>If you don't mind me asking, retrospectacus
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17:30<retrospectacus>I have deb squeeze-backports main contrib non-free
17:30<retrospectacus>will tell you about it :)
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17:31<nubetube>Thanks, retrospectacus
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17:31<rss>nubetube, stable is the current release. which is squeeze. backports is the site where more recent packages have been made available to squeeze users
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17:32<nubetube>Thanks, gents.
17:32<nubetube>I sincerely appreaciate it.
17:32<rss>nubetube, youŕe welcome
17:33<emerson>I am having a problem that is making me crazy, trying to remap a key in LM11 lxde, may somebody help me??
17:33<dpkg>The Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment (LXDE) is available for Debian since Lenny. To install, ask me about <install lxde>. #lxde on
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17:34<imperium>have a great weekend, everyone :)
17:34<rss>emerson, xmodmap an option?
17:34<emerson>not exactly an lxde problem, because I'm using gnome
17:34<retrospectacus>imperium: you too
17:34<emerson>I did it in the past using xmodmap, and it worked but now looks like gnome is changing kb layout after my script on .config/autostart..
17:35<rss>imperium, you too
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17:36<retrospectacus>emerson: what's LM11?
17:36<emerson>linuxmint 11
17:36<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
17:36<rss>emerson, Iḿ running e17 myself xmodmap works for me.
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17:36<retrospectacus>we can't support mint here, sorry
17:37<RobinJ><emerson> linuxmint 11 << spotchat irc, #linuxmint-help
17:38<RobinJ>ah you're alreayd there
17:38<emerson>no problem, tks... the problem with #linuxmint-help is that looks like a teenage party...
17:38<emerson>yeap, but got no answer
17:39<rss>emerson, why dont you change to debian. you would get help here
17:39<emerson>rs... I am thinking about a lot...
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17:39<BlackDragon42>I've used Debian for years.
17:40<ompaul>emerson: we would get your box rocking out rather quickly
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17:40<retrospectacus>it's the best ;)
17:40<rss>first release i used was slink
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17:40<BlackDragon42>3rd version of Linux I ever tried, after SuSE and RedHat. I preferred Debian and have used it since.
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17:41<ompaul>emerson: guess you got to go live in a teenage party
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17:41<ompaul>emerson: or join us ;-)
17:41<BlackDragon42>Debian is an older, stable Linux distro. Some of the newer ones, not so much...
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17:42<rss>BlackDragon42, I'm running sid myself have been for years. Its pretty stable for met ;)
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17:43<cmr>I know of a few production servers running sid. That says something about stability.
17:43<rss>cmr: I have a few of those. I very carefully test upgrades on a non prod platform first tho
17:43<BlackDragon42>Well, that's good. It should be pretty stable since it's built upon an already stable release.
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17:45<BlackDragon42>Ahh... The beauty of Debian.
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17:46<emerson>Yeap, I know about debian, and I would like to use it, but not right now...
17:46<BlackDragon42>Why not then?
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17:46<ompaul>emerson: at the risk of being stupid, why?
17:46<emerson>I am on linux since 2003
17:46<retrospectacus>there's no time like the present!
17:47<rss>emerson, why not?
17:47<rss>emerson, on linux since 1996
17:47<BlackDragon42>About the same for me...
17:48<ompaul>I was on FreeBSD in 93 and would have tried linux around 95 all great fun.
17:48<rss>emerson, stil on linux in 2011
17:48<BlackDragon42>I've done FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Dragonfly BSD, etc. as well.
17:49*cmr was still in diapers in '96
17:49<BlackDragon42>Solaris, Unix... Most POSIX systems.
17:49<Hydroxide>diapers in '96? /me feels old.
17:50<BlackDragon42>You can't be that old! LOL
17:50<Hydroxide>BlackDragon42: still under 30
17:50<BlackDragon42>Shoot, I am 30!
17:50<Hydroxide>BlackDragon42: but, there are people way older than me in the community
17:50<rss>Hydroxide, but how far under 30
17:50<Hydroxide>and way older than you too. (and much younger)
17:50<emerson>ok, I'll give a chance right now. But to start: my box is an eee901, without CDROM and with only 4Gb on /sda (/sdb I use to /home)
17:51<BlackDragon42>Of course, that's the way it is.
17:51<Hydroxide>rss: not far. anyway, we shouldn't spam the channel with too much more off-topic stuff...
17:51<emerson>Is there any live CD with deb??
17:51<Hydroxide>emerson: yes: among others
17:51<Hydroxide>that one is from debian itself
17:51<rss>Hydroxide, ot stuff agreed
17:51<rss>Hydroxide, fun tho
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17:58<emerson>rss: tks... I'll check if my wifi will work OTB before formating, because I dont have cable connection here..
17:59<rss>emerson, be aware of the ralink firmware. get that on a usb stick
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18:01<rss>emerson, dont rush this. research and ask questins first. be prepared. you should have a good debian experience then.
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18:04<emerson>ok... lets try anyway.. I only have to download the firmware-ralink.deb and install it via dpkg, or there is anything else?
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18:05<rss>emerson: not sure. I have not done a fresh install via wifi in 6 years.
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18:07<rss>emerson: will you have access to this channel if the install fails?
18:07<emerson>rss: Well, I will not install via wifi, but from liveCD. But of course I will need internet to configure the systemthat is the problem
18:08<emerson>no, I will not...
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18:09<rss>emerson: the live cd should be able to install a debian system. You need the firmware as a deb as you said installing that and updating your initramfs should make the wireless card work.
18:09<emerson>Thats why I did not try debian untill now.. Just because I can make all kind of hack, but my pc is very limited
18:09<rss>emerson: after reboot.
18:10<rss>all: correct me if I am wrong.
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18:10<emerson>I supose that update-grub will update initramfs, isn't?
18:12<Black_Prince>wrong. update-initramfs -u will update initramfs of kernel which is running and update-initramfs -k all -u will update initramfs for all kernels installed
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18:12<rss>emerson: listen to Black_Prince on this
18:13<Black_Prince>or better, s/listen/read/ :P
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18:13<rss>Black_Prince: grin
18:13<Black_Prince>/exec giggle
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18:14<rss>Black_Prince, /exec rofl
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18:14<BlackDragon42><rolls eyes>
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18:16<rss>BlackDragon42: is that like a nudge nudge wink wink?
18:16<BlackDragon42>Say no more! A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat!
18:16<BlackDragon42>Monty Python...
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18:19<rss>BlackDragon42: yes, still here
18:20<BlackDragon42>Bacck to the topic at hand...
18:21<rss>BlackDragon42: yes.
18:21<rss>emerson: are you still here
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18:23<BlackDragon42>Should still be here... Maybe AFK?
18:23<BlackDragon42>Or with lake and palmer? LOL
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18:26<rss>BlackDragon42: AFK could be. maybe formatting disk on eee pc 901
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18:30<rss>BlackDragon42: I guess hes booting livecd and formattind /dev/sda
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18:32<rss>does the debian livecd have an irc client? if not we wont be hearing s/hearing/reading/ from emerson soon
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18:33<Black_Prince>rss, default debian live cd (gnome) does not have any irc client by default.
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18:34<Black_Prince>empathy is available, but you need telepathy-idle for irc to function (which is also not available on live media)
18:35<rss>Black_Prince: I hope the ralink in the eee pc 901 works OOTB.
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18:36<Black_Prince>When I see word "ralink" I can't stop thinking that it needs firmware.
18:36<Black_Prince>Which is also not included in official debian live media.
18:36<rss>Black_Prince: Yes I warned about that. Maybe he listened s/linstened/read/ to waht i said
18:37<rss>gaaaahhhh typos.
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18:39<rss>s/what/what/ s/said/wrote/
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18:42<eshat>rss: time to give up
18:42<eshat>you are making it worse
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18:43<rss>eshat, yes
18:43<rss>eshat, stopping already
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18:43<Black_Prince>/exec kill -9 typos ?
18:43<eshat>sometimes it's better to not mention typos, as many users understand what you want to say :)
18:43<rss>Black_Prince, Good one!
18:43<eshat>s/as/since/ ;)
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18:44<BlackDragon42>Taht's rite.
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18:45<rss>Black_Prince, maybe killall typos?
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18:46<Black_Prince>suit yourself
18:46<rss>Black_Prince, still trying? it says no process found.
18:47<rss>OK back to business now.
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19:02<ex0a>how can i return the default ipv4 ip?
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19:02<rss>ex0a, what do you mean?
19:02<ex0a>a friend is working on a bash script for some stuff and is trying to grep the first ip address in ifconfig -a, but i think there should be an easier way
19:03<ex0a>like, you know how unless you bind to a certain ip, the system chooses a default ip?
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19:04<rss>ex0a, LAN1_IF=eth0
19:04<rss>LAN1_IP=`${IFCONFIG} ${LAN1_IF} | awk 'FS="addr:" {print $2}' | awk 'FS=" " getline {print $1}'`
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19:04<ex0a>i was hoping for a way to do it without specifying the interface
19:05<ex0a>but ty for that though, that will work for his method
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19:06<rss>ex0a, I just gave you a fragment that I use in firewall script with 6 or more interfaces.
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19:07<rss>ex0a: I use this is a script. not on a command line
19:07<ex0a>yeah ty
19:08<Black_Prince>This also works. ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | awk '{print $2}' | sed "s/addr://"
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19:13<rss>Black_Prince, that looks correct also
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19:13<jordanm>Black_Prince: the grep and sed can all be done in awk
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19:13<jordanm>Black_Prince: ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr/ {gsub(/addr:/,foo,$2); print $2}'
19:13*Black_Prince is no awk nor sed nor grep master
19:14<jordanm>Black_Prince: ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr/ {gsub(/addr:/,"",$2); print $2}'
19:15<jordanm>not saying that is the best approach, but beats 3 pipelines
19:15<Black_Prince>jordanm, cool :)
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19:17<rss>jordanm, Yess that a works an looks more elegant than mine. does on help with ifconfig -a as that will retuen and any other if that are configured
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19:18<rss>jordanm, will be replacing my code with yours. it does beat 3 pipelines
19:19<scraze>if you really want to just grep the very first ip address, you could go with ifconfig -a | egrep -o '([0-9]{1,3}\.){3}[0-9]{1,3}' | head -n 1 .. but it is a lot more error-prone :]
19:19<rss>jordanm, will be replacing my code with yours. it does beat 3 pipelines
19:20<rss>scraze, isn't the first ip address usually the lo if =>
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19:23<jordanm>rss: looks like iproute2 has an option to only show the primary IP of an interface
19:24<scraze>rss: yep, that is one of the errors it prones for :]
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19:24<jordanm>ip addr show eth0 primary | gawk --re-interval '/inet / { gsub(/\/[0-9]{1,2}/,"",$2); print $2 }'
19:25<rss>jordanm, if you leave out the ifname then you still get more that one IP and the first is still loopback
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19:27<rss>jordanm, regarding script based use and the use op iproute2. that is probably better that ifconfig
19:27<retrospectacus>needing to know your machine's IP address in a script is usually a sign you are doing something wrong
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19:27<rss>retrospectacus, explain
19:28<retrospectacus>for what task would you need such a thing? Why not the hostname?
19:29<rss>retrospectacus, configuring a firewall before you have a running dns server perhaps
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19:30<retrospectacus>I'm not seeing it.. configuring what about a firewall?
19:30<gdb>working with dhcp configured interfaces, working on a system with multiple interfaces or ethernet aliases
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19:31<gdb>some examples that i can think of, unless i'm missing something
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19:31<gdb>working in an environment without dns
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19:32<gdb>sup yo werd dawg
19:32<mib_9agdqo>Why, hello, fine Gent
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19:32<rss>gdb: I agree. I have configures firewall with 6 physical nic and possibly more than 1 vlan on an if. No dns available
19:32<mib_9agdqo>And, how is one such as yourself on this fine evening?
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19:33<sney->mib_9agdqo: this is a tech support channel, for social chatter try #moocows or #tardigans
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19:42<rss>jordanm, your snippet also works for ipv6 replace inet with inet6 and presto ipv6 address
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19:45<rss>guys, I'm signing off it's 00:45 here. CUL8R
19:45<retrospectacus>have a good weekend
19:46<rss>retrospectacus, thx
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20:00<lillo>a question. Does possible install debian on a tablet with android2.3?
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20:01<dondelelcaro>lillo: depends on the tablet; it should be possible, however.
20:01<lillo>can you show me how?
20:01<lillo>How can boot the iso?
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20:04<lillo>dondelelcaro, can you show me how to procede?
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20:36<jordanm>lillo: how to get it to boot etc, is going to be very specific to the tablet. You should seek support with community for that specific tablet
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20:41<lillo>jordanm, the tablet is no much famous, is vovin a chinese trade mark, and there aren't community for that product
20:42<lillo>There is same application that show the component?
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20:43<lillo>and some other that permitt a backup and install a diferent boot loader?
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20:47<ryo>babilen: BTW I'm epsilon from freenode. If you want to ban me here too for supporting other linux distro than debian, please do it now, so I can stop supporting debconf right now
20:48<babilen>ryo: Just drop it and move on. You know our channel rules and I kindly ask you to accept them and act accordingly.
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20:49<ryo>I just helped in question of mdadm and grub. Same software as on debian. I also recommended him to use debian so we can officially support him. You banned me instead.
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21:08<chatnix>something appears to be wrong somewhere in my network settings, i'm: 1. not able to connect to a wired network 2. after disabling/re-enabling wlan network manager will say that 'device is not ready' until restarted...any suggestions?
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21:14<ryo>is that only one and permanent connection to your LAN and you could live without using network-manager?
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21:17<ryo>if yes, I recommend just to use shell to establish the network connetion (/etc/network/ifconfig and ifdown/ifup)
21:18<chatnix>ryo: no, network-manager is an absolute must-have
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21:18<ryo>chatnix: crap[tm]
21:19<cmr>wicd is alright
21:19<cmr>In my experience better than network-manager
21:20<ryo>I'm not sure how ifconfig/-up/-down react as long networkmanager GUI-crap is installed... What does ifconfig -a say?
21:20<babilen>wicd is no longer developed
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21:22<chatnix>ryo: debugging atm is rather useless since i've plugged out and is on a wireless connection
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21:30<ryo>do you get any further error message beisde a simple "device not ready"? Something about iwconfig?
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21:41<chatnix>ryo: NW only gives the 'not ready' message
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21:45<ryo>I'm not sure about behaviour of debian as long NW is installed... what do you get on 'ifconfig -a' in shell?
21:47<chatnix>ryo: anything in particular i should look for?
21:48<ryo>do you see the interface on that command? (running as root shell)
21:48<chatnix>now i do, obviously...but the problem is not present now
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21:50<ryo>if you see something with "eth*", its probably wired. If it has an IP, it's up & running
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21:54<chatnix>ryo: forgetting about NM, how should i set up the connection to eth0 in shell?
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21:58<JoeKickass>chatnix: "dhclient eth0" or "ifconfig eth0 192.168.x.y " or edit interfaces and ifup eth0
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22:01<chatnix>JoeKickass: what needs to change in interfaces?
22:01<JoeKickass>"man interfaces"
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22:03<chatnix>alright, i'll dump my connection and experiment a little
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22:08<Ali>hello All
22:09<Ali>hi kickass
22:09<Ali>where r u from
22:09<JoeKickass>Yukon! How's debian for you?
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22:49<chatnix>i am much confused by my networking problems: 'dhclient eth0' will (it seems) correctly connect to the wired network, but i'm not able to use it: ping gives the error 'sndmessage: not allowed'
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22:51<scraze>chatnix: seems like a permission problem, are you pinging as root (shouldn't have to but a different result would be informative)?
22:51<chatnix>scraze: same result as root
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22:53<scraze>chatnix: is that literal? 0 results for that string on google..
22:54<chatnix>scraze: probably not literal then
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22:55<scraze>chatnix: perhaps your firewall/iptables is configured to disallow icmp? for example a rule in iptables' OUTPUT table dropping all ICMP packets
22:55<scraze>chatnix: when adding such an iptable rule here, pinging with root says: 'ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted' (debian wheezy)
22:56<chatnix>scraze: shouldn't that affect wlan as well?
22:57<scraze>chatnix: not if a mac-address has been defined for the iptables rule signifying only eth0
22:57<scraze>but that does seem unlikely
22:57<scraze>nothing for iptables -L ?
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22:59<chatnix>scraze: hm, what would be the expected output in iptables -L if this was happening?
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23:03<scraze>chatnix: the mac-address thing appears to be a bit more complicated than i thought.. this is a paste of a flushed iptables with only a system-wide icmp drop:
23:05<scraze>chatnix: a distinction between wlan & eth0 could also be made by ip / subnet instead of mac-address
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23:07<scraze>chatnix: for example, there could be a rule for wlan's ip accepting icmp, followed by a rule to drop icmp system-wide - that would make it impossible to ping on devices other than wlan (as long as wlan holds its ip)
23:10<chatnix>scraze: i have ACCEPT icmp -- anywhere anywhere
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23:12<scraze>chatnix: well that should be just fine then ..
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23:12<chatnix>it seems so...still something is broken, somewhere
23:12<scraze>chatnix: icmp could still be dropped in one of the other tables
23:13<scraze>perhaps in iptables -t nat -L
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23:14<scraze>(other tables mangle / raw / security might also contain something)
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23:14<chatnix>it seems somewhat unlikely...i haven't messed with these tables and this used to work
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23:15<scraze>chatnix: that certainly increases weirdness
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23:15<scraze>chatnix: I fear I might not know enough to help you :s
23:16<scraze>not about your situation but about the subject matter
23:16<JoeKickass>chatnix: what do ifconfig and route -n say?
23:16<chatnix>JoeKickass: ifconfig seemed fine, it had detected the right ip address
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23:17<chatnix>if it had worked...
23:17<chatnix>and ping should not give that error unless it had network connection
23:18<JoeKickass>what's route -n say for your gateway? can you ping that ip?
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23:19<JoeKickass>can you ping your own ip?
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23:19<chatnix>JoeKickass: i'd have to check again with the cable plugged in...currently i'm seeing since i'm behind the router
23:20<JoeKickass>that's the same router as on the cable right
23:20<JoeKickass>or what
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23:21<chatnix>no, i'm plugging out the router and connects my computer directly
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23:22<ratnick>Too many Skorls
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23:23*ratnick has pinged himself
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23:25<ratnick>lights are on but nobody's home
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23:28<chatnix>i'll do a little testing again...
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23:28<ratnick>let's play dojoban
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23:28<JoeKickass>go annoy someone else
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23:29<g0rs>its a troll JoeKickass
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23:32<ratnick>this is YOUR channel
23:34<ratnick>fun for the feebleminded
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23:35<ratnick>praise the LORD
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