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00:41<marioxcc>hello
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00:42<marioxcc>I need to check whether a particular graphic card will function with only free software
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00:42<marioxcc>apart from checking x supports the chip, is there anything else to check?
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00:58<duan_huiqiang>during lwresd can't be stopped when my system shutdown, I found this pager http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=527137. but i don't know how to do patch fix.
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01:34<heffay>how do i change my default audio capture device from the command line in alsa?
01:34<heffay>im at a loss
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01:42<ricardo>console
01:42<ricardo>df
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01:49<madduck>chrisreich: I am starting to get the hang of handbrake, but the supported video codecs are pretty bad. I mean, x264 alright, and MPEG4, but on the Free side of things, only THeora/VP3, which sucks.
01:49<Tekk_>I installed firmware-ipw2x00 but I'm still not getting /dev/wlan on 6.0.3
01:49*madduck wants VP8
01:49<Tekk_>madduck: converting video?
01:49<Tekk_>madduck: vlc can conver to vp8 right now
01:49<madduck>trying to rip dvds to mkv files, yes
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01:51<Tekk_>I know that the card works and is ipw2100, it's worked in....ubuntu, puppy(lucid and slacko,) fedora, arch, and haiku
01:51<gsimmons>Tekk_: The ipw2200 driver does not provide a /dev/wlan device file.
01:51<Tekk_>gsimmons: I thought it was created on modprobe. how to I add the device?
01:52<madduck>Tekk_: interesting, but it seems to be able to extrac only a single audio track, and only a single subtitles track
01:52<gsimmons>Tekk_: It should create a eth* interface (e.g. eth1). Have you reloaded the module (or restarted the system) since installing the firmware-ipw2x00 package?
01:52<Tekk_>gsimmons: several times
01:52<Tekk_>no eth interfaces
01:52<Tekk_>nor wlan
01:55<Tekk_>MAKEDEV isn't giving any error output, but it's not making devices either
01:55<Tekk_>(assuming it's the same syntax as hurd)
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01:57<gsimmons>Tekk_: I don't know why you want to create a device file. The output in your kernel ring buffer (dmesg) after executing "modprobe -r ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200") would be useful to examine, please provide this at a paste site (/msg dpkg paste).
01:57<Tekk_>oh hold on
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01:58<Tekk_>gsimmons: yeah, dmesg wasn't showing anything interesting
01:58<Tekk_>though it looks like there was some magic in modprobing 2200 and 2100
01:58<Tekk_>that even a reboot can't accomplish
01:59<gsimmons>Tekk_: Do you have a eth1 interface currently available? ("ifconfig -a")
01:59<Tekk_>gsimmons: yeah, I was able to connect to the internet
01:59<Tekk_>no idea what was going on before
02:00<Tekk_>like I said, some apparent magic in modprobing 2200 and 2100..
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02:00<Tekk_>gsimmons: thanks
02:01<gsimmons>Tekk_: Sorry, you said ipw2100 (the ipw2200 driver is for different hardware). No problem.
02:02<Tekk_>gsimmons: yeah, I know it is, and the hardware says 2100...
02:02<Tekk_>just a bizarre bug, not my day to be installing debian ;)
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02:42<madduck>where did he go? network interfaces rarely ever come with /dev nodes
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03:02<tdignan>Is it normal to see tar + gzip save 8 gigs on a payload of 50g?
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03:03<cmr>As in, it was 50, now it's 42?
03:03<cmr>tdignan: What's the data?
03:03<tdignan>actually, it was 54g on the FS, and now in the tar its 42g
03:04<tdignan>its supposed to be 3 home directories, so, assorted junk
03:04<tdignan>I am trying to figure out if it has everything in it
03:05<cmr>I'd say it's normal.
03:05<tdignan>i'm going to compress stuff more often :)
03:05<tdignan>that's excellent savings
03:06<cmr>Mm. If you're not impressed with the amount of time, check out lzop.
03:06<tdignan>i will.. this took hours
03:08<cmr>Compression isn't as good, but lzop is the fastest I know of.
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03:18<dutchfish>hi, on a machine shutdown, the kernel stated that i should run a fsck on one of my filesystem wich is an xfs fs. After a reboot and umount, the dryrun of xfs_repair -d /dev/xxx yeilds no errors, any hints?
03:20<dutchfish>this is the output: http://pastebin.com/swiJGDsZ
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03:26<tale>dutchfish: run xfs_repair without -n so it marks the fs as clean and be happy.
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03:28<newb12466343>hi guys, I have Debian 6 x64 on my XEN PV VPS with kernel 2.6.18-274.3.1.el5xen. How to update the kernel? aptitude update and aptitude upgrade does not update the kernel. Thanks
03:30<newb12466343>it works fine for all my needs for now, just want to by up to date
03:30<newb12466343>be*
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03:31<cmr>newb12466343: How-about aptitude full-upgrade
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03:33<newb12466343>cmr: same thing
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03:34<newb12466343>No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
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03:36<dutchfish>tale, thanks, that worked
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03:50<hook>I just read on Wikipedia that "Ubuntu, unlike Debian, compiles their packages using gcc features like PIE and Buffer Overflow Protection to harden their software. These extra features greatly increase security at the performance expence of 1% in 32-bit and 0,01% in 64-bit."
03:51<jasonsmr>hello channel
03:51<tdignan>hook: was it cited?
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03:51<hook>How much truth is in there? I'd expect Debian to be more secure.
03:51<jasonsmr>Im reading a LDAP PAM + Kerbose Debian setup,
03:51<hook>tdignan: Yup, it's cited from...
03:51<hook>...the Debian Secure by Default project
03:51<jasonsmr>Question if running multiple LDAP servers on the same network do I need or would I be required to deploy /install Kerbose on all of them too ^^ ??
03:52<tdignan>which wiki article?
03:52<hook>tdignan: http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/www
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03:52<hook>tdignan: The Wiki article is about Ubuntu Linux
03:53<tdignan>yeah i'm going to edit out the "Unlike debian" -- since it is not vital to communicating the point.
03:53<tdignan>encyclopedias are not supposed to be commercials
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03:54<gebi>hook: especially on 32bit debians biggest problem is the default target for i486, ubuntu uses i686 which is MUCH faster in some regards
03:54<hook>Is the "unlike Debian" bit still true?
03:54<gebi>for stable yes
03:54<tdignan>hook: perhaps, I don't know
03:55<gebi>for unstable afaik debian just introduces a common hardening approach
03:55<tdignan>you could just as well put there "Unlike Mandrake 2.3"
03:55<tdignan>it's clearly a jab
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03:56<gebi>i really hope debian will switch to at least i686 with see for the 32bit multiarch on amd64
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03:56<hook>tdignan: Well, it does make slightly more sense, since Ubuntu is originally based on Debian ...but yeah, it seems like a jab.
03:56<gebi>or wait a bit and use x32 as ABI
03:57<hook>So har far is Debian with hardening, PaX, etc?
03:57*hook plans to switch from Gentoo to Debian in the near-ish future
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03:58<tdignan>hook: this document it is linked to does not prove the statement either
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03:58<tdignan>I don't personally know whether its true, but I do hate people who abuse wikipedia
03:58<tdignan>it's supposed to be factual :)
03:58<tdignan>factual means: cited
03:59<tdignan>more or less wikipedia is just a PR/propaganda game these days
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04:00<tdignan>i'm switching back to debian again after a couple years of using ubuntu because I really don't need a pre-canned set of packages chosen for me in advance
04:00<tdignan>just debian minimal and built it up, that's what I prefer
04:00<garysteers>It's the best way!
04:01<hook>tdignan: Yeah, it's sad that Wikipedia is abused that way. But on the other hand I've seen FS projects that wanted to write their own article, but were kicked off for being "propaganda", while they just copy-pasted their about page to start something.
04:01<tdignan>i've used gentoo before too. you'd be at home on debian, except you'd not spend time compiling and there'd be no "use flag"
04:02<hook>Sniffle, I'll miss Gentoo and its USE flags ...but I just don't have the time for it anymore.
04:02<hook>I need a rock-solid, secure, no-nonsense system with a good community that goes out of my way and does what it's told.
04:03<weasel>good luck with that
04:03<gebi>yea
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04:03<tdignan>if you add up all the hours you spend compiling stuff on gentoo, no doubt there is a net loss of time
04:03<hook>That doesn't sound really encouraging, guys :P
04:04<weasel>this isn't the sales department :)
04:04<hook>weasel: Thank $DEITY, it isn't! :D
04:04<weasel>"a good community that goes out of my way and does what it's told"
04:04<gebi>just be sure to not use insserv on debian servers
04:05<gebi>as it might not even start ssh if apache or openvpn has problems <- crazy...
04:05<hook>Nooooooooooooo, not the community, the OS should get out of my way and do what it's told.
04:05<hook>...sorry, just woke up
04:05<tdignan>I switched to debian, and suddenly I felt young again. No more hair loss, my face loos beautiful, and I have all my free time back.
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04:05<hook>tdignan: Hehe ;)
04:07<newb12466343>hi guys, I have Debian 6 x64 on my XEN PV VPS with kernel 2.6.18-274.3.1.el5xen. How to update the kernel? aptitude update and aptitude upgrade does not update the kernel. Thanks
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04:07<hook>What bothers me the most on Gentoo is not so much the compiling, but that when something fails, it means "emerge -DNu world; revdep-rebuild; emerge -DNu world; revdep-rebuild; emerge -DNu world" ...which sometimes means you're compiling LibreOffice three times in a row because e.g. xpdf/poppler.
04:08<weasel>newb12466343: that's not a debian kernel,
04:08<weasel>newb12466343: are you sure you're booting a kernel that's installed locally and not one given to you by your hoster?
04:08<newb12466343>it was given by my hoster
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04:10<newb12466343>so i have debian 6 x64 image at SolusVM control panel to be able to reinstall my vps and after reinstall I got kernel like that 2.6.18-274.3.1.el5xen
04:11<newb12466343>any ideas on what is going on?
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04:27<dutchfish>newb12466343, the kernel can be delivered by the host system, check your xen config for that vm
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04:27<newb12466343>how to check? on host?
04:28<dutchfish>yes
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04:28<newb12466343>so i need to submit a ticket to my hoster?
04:28<dutchfish>newb12466343, well, at least consult them about it
04:29<jerryclunsford>I am running mkfs with the -cc option on a 180GB hard drive with 2ghz processor it has been running for 3 hrs 41 min and says that it is at .20%. Am I correct to assume that drive has a large number of bad blocks?
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04:31<jerryclunsford>I am trying to install debian squeeze on it but it keeps failing to install base system
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04:36<jasonsmr>Qusetion: how do I view the output from a process that is still* running after my tty session that started it* (the process) Quit on me?
04:36<jasonsmr>meaning that I ssh'ed into another machine, then ran a updater process,
04:37<jasonsmr>the tty session was closed when debian restarted.
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04:37<jasonsmr>I restarted the debian machine, then re-ssh'ed into the server machine again, I ps aux |grep process
04:38<jerryclunsford>I can format and read/write to the disk if I partition outside of the debian installer. If I then run the install it fails to install base system if I partition and format in the installer it fails and if I run cfdisk on it outside of the installer afterward it wont run it has a fatal error and I have to run testdisk to get to where I can re-partition it
04:38<jasonsmr>the process* is stil running, though under the results I get >>
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04:38<jasonsmr>root 29185 1.4 3.6 186444 75600 ? S 15:35 2:07 zypper update
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04:40<dutchfish>jasonsmr, in short you cant unless you run such interactive session inside screen, which i do
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04:40<dutchfish>jasonsmr, if that process doesnt need further user intervention, it still might run until ocmpletion
04:41<dutchfish>s/ocmpletion/completion
04:41<dutchfish>jasonsmr, tail -f its log files
04:42<jasonsmr>what about retty
04:42<jasonsmr>the #linux channel just suggested that
04:42<dutchfish>jasonsmr, might or might not work, depending on the process you started
04:42<jasonsmr>yea.. the server isnt the debian machine though
04:43<jasonsmr>it was zypper in opensuse
04:43<dutchfish>jasonsmr, well, you might ask them
04:43<dutchfish>jasonsmr, next time use screen
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04:45<jasonsmr>right
04:45<jasonsmr>next time
04:45<jasonsmr>Ive used it before just not extensively
04:46<dutchfish>jasonsmr, well, just screen -R gets you a new or running instance, do your stuff, exit
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04:47<dutchfish>(there are other tools as well for the same purpose)
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04:51<dutchfish>jasonsmr, screen -U [command] closes the screen session when the job is done, very handy
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04:51<dutchfish>jasonsmr, at least you won't get caught when things het rough with your connection
04:51<dutchfish>s/het/get
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04:52<dutchfish>jasonsmr, you can even take it over on the console
04:52<jasonsmr>yes , its bad the remote computer a tablet overheated due to improper user maintenance
04:52<jasonsmr>well the process is still running maybe
04:53<dutchfish>jasonsmr, ps auxww and top/htop will tell
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04:53<jasonsmr>I found another program named reptyr
04:54<dutchfish>jasonsmr, if it is paused on userinput, you can try what suse people told you
04:54<dutchfish>yes
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05:04<eadric>hi
05:05<jerryclunsford>Thanks for the help? take it easy
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05:06<eadric>I'm having trouble with Libre Office from backports on squeeze, is this the channel to ask?
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05:11<Black_Prince>eadric, yes. what is the problem?
05:12<eadric>I installed it, seemed to go fine
05:12<eadric>All I get from icon (apps menu or desktop) is a short splash screen and then nothing
05:12<Black_Prince>eadric, how did you install it?
05:13<eadric>tried it from terminal, same thing, no output on console either
05:13<eadric>I did
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05:14<eadric>aptitude install -t squeeze-backports libreoffice libreoffice-gnome libreoffice-emailmerge
05:14<Black_Prince>Looks correct ...
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05:15<eadric>Its all there
05:15<eadric>for as far as I can tell
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05:19*Pumba Bonjour
05:19<Spl1nt>www.clamtxt.com/?r=37882 ...best site ever lol guys lets u send 10 free texts a day anywhere in the world free and anonymous .. if u sign up u get 50 ... i just sent 50 txts to a m8 lol he shit brix
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05:20<eli0>hey guys. maybe u know which source list is the best and give us full download speed? because now from us server i got only half of my internet speed. Debian squeeze
05:21<cmr>eli0: netselect-apt is one I know of
05:21<cmr>(A program which picks the fastest mirror)
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05:22*rpetre likes apt-spy
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05:27<eli0>oh thank u guys. netselect-apt works perfectly
05:28<cmr>apt-spy actually looks like a better solution.
05:28<cmr>Slower, but more thorough.
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05:30<rpetre>hey, that's me :)
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05:42<newb12466343>advice please, I create a regular user with shell /bin/bash and home dir /home/user. The question is how to lock the user within home dir, that he will be able to connect with ssh and able to rwx only in home dir
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05:43<nevyn>newb12466343: you can do things with restricted shells.
05:43<nevyn>newb12466343: but usually it's shortsighted to do so
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05:44<Bushmills>newb12466343: instead of trying to lock him, better restrict access to those files he's not supposed to see
05:44<babilen>!tell newb12466343 -about scponly
05:44<newb12466343>i can not login by sftp with other shells
05:44<babilen>And I am with nevyn and Bushmills there
05:44<cmr>newb12466343: Oh, sftp? Can you chroot with sftp?
05:44<Bushmills>consider that most files on that machine are freely available in the net anyway
05:45<cmr>I mean, not that that will help it all if you're giving them a shell.
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06:07<svuorela>hmm... after a upgrade, my hostname is suddenly changed (but I still have the old and correct hostname in /etc/hostname) - what to do ?
06:07<markj_>lean back and hold up your hands the air, and say i am the baddest mf around
06:08<markj_>hold up and fart, big batty poppa day
06:08<babilen>markj_: You are not helping
06:09<markj_>hold up and do a hostname -
06:09<markj_>freedom of speech rules
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06:10<babilen>svuorela: And "hostname", "hostname -f" and so on reports the new/changed hostname? Is there a system to the change?
06:10<markj_>time to leave this motherfucking place called earth
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06:11<svuorela>babilen: it came up as dhcppc9
06:11<babilen>markj_: If you want to chat please go to a social channel such as #moocows. This is a technical support channel and it would be very welcomed if you would either stay quiet or work with us.
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06:11<babilen>svuorela: That very much looks as if the hostname was set by DHCP
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06:13<babilen>svuorela: You can configure if the dhcpclient requests a host/domainname in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
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06:14<babilen>svuorela: How is your network configured?
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06:14<svuorela>babilen: I didn't recently change anything in dhcp
06:15<svuorela>but. /etc/hostname contains 'scrooge', the hostname command returns dhcppc9
06:15<babilen>svuorela: I assumed as much, because you would be aware of these changes. What about /etc/hosts?
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06:16<babilen>svuorela: Could you, just for investigating this, configure the dhclient *not* to request a hostname?
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06:16<svuorela> /etc/hosts contains kind of what it did last I edited it.
06:16<svuorela>babilen: do you have the option I need to change in dhclient.conf handy ?
06:17<svuorela>oh. looks like it's called host-name in the request part of it
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06:17<themill>send host-name "scrooge";
06:18<CQ>isn' t there a generic package that will always pull inteh current headers when upgrading a kernel? It' s annoying to have to reinstall tehm by hand for vbox everyt ime I upgrade a kernel...
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06:18*babilen wonders what changed in svuorela's setup to make this change necessary though.
06:19<themill>svuorela: (in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf), did you recently upgrade isc-dhcp-client? The changelog for that package lists quite a few changes in hostname setting (but all from a few weeks ago)
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06:19<svuorela>I did a upgrade of ~1000 packages just before the reboot.
06:19<themill>hah.. so quite likely then
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06:20<Bushmills>grin, "... I didn't recently change anything..."
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06:21<svuorela>Bushmills: I don't expect package upgrades to actually change my hostname without being *very* vocal about it
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06:21<Bushmills>svuorela: maybe what bit you was a discrepancy between your expectations and a change in client configuration?
06:22<babilen>In particular the fix to #246155 seems to be relevant
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06:22<babilen>!dbugs 246155
06:22<dpkg>DONE:#246155:W[dhcp3-client] dhcp3-client: dhclient-script should overwrite hostname if new_host_name provided (); Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:33:03 UTC []
06:22<Bushmills>upgrade of 1000 packages also implies a solid system upgrade, not just playing in a few security fixes
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06:23*babilen assumes that svuorela is running sid :)
06:23<themill>svuorela: I think not setting hostname properly in some situations was considered to be a bug
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06:25<svuorela>babilen: of course I'm running sid. what else ? :)
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06:25<svuorela>I removed the host-name option from the 'request' part of dhclient.conf and rebooted. Now my machine again is properly named after unca scrooge.
06:26<jasonsmr>question how can I resume a interrupted installation?
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06:26<svuorela>jasonsmr: I'm not sure it is possible to resume it in any reasonable way ...
06:26<jasonsmr>Im installing from a qemu environment and the system rebooted sudenly due to overheat , I reboot and everything fine , only install needs restart?
06:26<babilen>svuorela: Great. I am not entirely sure if this or themill's approach is better though.
06:27<ompaul>jasonsmr: not very easily strongly suggest start again
06:27<babilen>jasonsmr: Package installation? Interrupted how?
06:27<jasonsmr>allrighty
06:27<babilen>brb
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06:27<jasonsmr>I really wanted a second opinion
06:27<ompaul>jasonsmr: at what point were you during the install
06:28<jasonsmr>the second time over I dont see a resume option,
06:28<babilen>jasonsmr: We are talking about the initial installation, aren't we?
06:28<svuorela>jasonsmr: it of course depends on what stage of installation it failed, and your skill set ... but if it is just a matter of package installation that made it fail, you can probably boot into rescue mode, chroot in and finish it by hand.
06:28<jasonsmr>It was probably half way
06:28<babilen>jasonsmr: Just install it again -- That is most likely less work.
06:28<jasonsmr>allright
06:29<themill>svuorela, babilen: depends on what you want. I tend to set up the local dhcp server to accept the hostname the client wants; our work dhcp servers are set up the opposite way around where they are the authoritative source of the name.
06:29<jasonsmr>thanks for the advice
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06:29<svuorela>jasonsmr: yep. unless your installation is a slow dialup and you are very clueful about how installer works, I would also recommend to start over.
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06:29<svuorela>themill: mostly unconfigured ISP-provided router ...
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06:30<ubu>quit
06:30<themill>yeah, so your debian box is the "authoritative" source of the hostname then
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06:32<svuorela>themill: so, if I'm using send-hostname, then others on the network can access it as 'scrooge' and not as 'ip-number' ?
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06:41<tuxmagnet>?
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06:42<themill>svuorela: that depends on your dhcp server. Clever ones would do local dns like that, yes. Many would not.
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06:43<themill>svuorela: you could also think about mdns using avahi for that. You'd then have scrooge.local as a mdns-resolvable name.
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06:44<kraftwerk>Anybody using xdm/slim login manager with ck-launch-session?
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07:22<_julian_>hi
07:22<_julian_>I am trying to setup kvm on a debian system. cpuinfo states that my cpu supports vmx flag. I installed qemu-kvm and libvirt-bin as well as virt-install
07:23<_julian_>then I try to create a VM, but get this:
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07:23<_julian_>virt-install --name faiserv --ram 2048 --vnc --disk path=/media/virt/faiserv
07:23<_julian_>ERROR Host does not support any virtualization options
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07:23<_julian_>any ideas?
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07:58<gk>hi.. i've installed squeeze (6.0.3). but network is not there....can anybody help?
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08:02<cmr>gk: Does the interface show up in 'ifconfig -a' ?
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08:10<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>hello, I have a question about 'apt-get': Without making any changes to any configuration files, how does a user make 'apt-get' use a different mirror to fetch packages ('.deb' files) from the command line ?
08:10<gk>cmr: thanks for replying ...i checked it...what the information u want to know?
08:11<cmr>gk: Just paste all the output on dpaste.net
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08:11<cmr>dpaste.org, sorry
08:12<gk>cmr: ok
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08:24<Danneh__>nick Danneh
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08:27<jankidudel> I'm pretty much newbie to Linux and can't understand 1 thing. I want to install phpmyadmin, so just can aptitude install phpmyadmin. But I want newest version, so wget it , tar , configure and install it as other tarbals. Question is WHERE ? where should i install these programs ? in which directory/ies ?
08:27<cmr>jankidudel: When you configure, use "./configure --prefix=/usr/local" and just make install as normal.
08:28<melmothX>jankidudel: /usr/local is the canonical one, but you probably want to stick with the one shipped by debian
08:28<jankidudel>melmothX, "shipped by debian " ?
08:28<melmothX>jankidudel: the one you apt-getted
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08:29<cmr>Or backport a more recent one from wheezy/sid perhaps.
08:29<melmothX>but you're on your own to keep it updated
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08:29<themill>jankidudel: stable is designed to be unchanging. This means that when it works today, you know it will continue to work tomorrow
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08:30<ompaul>jankidudel: phpmyadmin is bad for you if you install it on the internet, just check it's security history. There are other ways to admin a machine.
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08:30<jankidudel>you guys want to say that if i install with aptitude version 2.11 then I can easily update to 3.4 for example ?
08:31<ompaul>s/on/facing/
08:31<jankidudel>ompaul, I believe everything for you guys is insecure here. Webmin - insecure, phpmyadmin - insecure.
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08:32<melmothX>jankidudel: not everything, just the bad things
08:32<themill>jankidudel: you should be upgrading to squeeze.
08:32<themill>dpkg: tell jankidudel about lenny->squeeze
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08:32<ompaul>jankidudel: They all have bad reps. There are better / safer ways to admin a remote machine. If it is on a corporate lan you might use it. If it is on the internet or a lan where you might consider some of the activity hostile then you would not want to use them.
08:33<themill>jankidudel: lenny only has a few months of security support left. Now is the time to be putting your upgrade plans into action.
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08:34<jankidudel>themill, yeap, Internet provider will add squeeze pretty soon
08:34<themill>"pretty soon"? They need to get with it. squeeze was released 9 months ago.
08:35<Cozminsky>only 3 months of security updates for lenny left, time is running out for a well planned and smooth transition
08:38<gk>cmr: i pasted it...the title is gk_output
08:38<jankidudel>one more question: updating from lenny to squeeze is worse than installing squeeze from zero ?
08:39<cmr>gk: Could you please give a link?
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08:39<gk>cmr: http://dpaste.org/Eeiwa/
08:40<themill>jankidudel: "worse" in what sense?
08:40<cmr>gk: try this: 'sudo ifconfig eth0 up; sudo dhclient eth0; ping google.com'
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08:41<jankidudel>themill, something may stop working and bugs can start to showing ? I mean the system will be stable as it was or no ?
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08:44<themill>jankidudel: the upgrade process works very well. You of course have to check things are working and may have little tweaking to do still, but you would (usually) end up with the same thing from an upgrade as if you did a fresh install
08:44<themill>jankidudel: you should read the release notes as part of the process -- see what dpkg told you
08:46<Danneh>Would, it be possible to upgrade debian to the 3.0+ kernel from source without installing? I can't install it first as I need the new kernel for a controller card bug fix
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08:47<gk>cmr: it's telling unknown host www.google.com
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08:49<Danneh>Or is there a testing version of Debian with the newest(3.0+) kernel?
08:50<gebi>Danneh: just use a live-cd and debootstrap or grml-debootstrap
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08:51<Danneh>Ok, I'll give that a try, thanks :)
08:51<ompaul>Danneh: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ does 2.6.39 and that tends to sort out most hardware problems if you want to run stable, you can get an image to install testing, but unless you are used to running debian and can get yourself out of a hole if updates put you in one I'd not suggest it.
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08:52<ompaul>Danneh: that link also shows a debian.org link to the same images
08:52<Danneh>At the moment I'm running Ubuntu but I want to switch to Debian. It's mainly because of the bug with the kernel that is used currently in most distros and my controller card
08:53<Danneh>bug with the kernel and the controller card*
08:53<gebi>the kernel is mostly independend of the distro
08:53<gebi>Danneh: e.g you can just boot with a live-cd and install linux 3.1 from debian experimental in your ubuntu system
08:53<gebi>no need for reinstall
08:53<mosno>there's some 3rd-party kernel that seems to be popular. i haven't used it and i forget the name...
08:54<mosno>just read about it in passing
08:54<ompaul>mosno: I just pointed at it
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08:54<mosno>ompaul: not that one
08:54<Danneh>I have Ubuntu with the latest kernel, but it's only because I couldn't install Debian because of the bug
08:54*mosno tries to remember
08:54<gebi>Danneh: ah kk
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08:55<mosno>Liquorix Kernel, i think
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08:55<mosno>not sure if it's any good
08:55<devil_>you dont want that
08:55<gk>cmr: it's showing unknown host www.google.com
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08:56<mosno>or Zen Kernel...
08:56<Danneh>The thing is, how can I install the latest Kernel without installing Debian?
08:56<mosno>devil_: why not?
08:57<cmr>gk: what does 'ifconfig' say?
08:57<devil_>mosno: because you want to know, who developes your kernel.
08:57<devil_>unfortunately i know the kid that does liquorix
08:58<gebi>Danneh: the method is called debootstrap
08:58<Danneh>Ohh :P
08:58<gebi>but you should know a bit of debian for plain debootstrap ;)
08:58<gebi>grml-debootstrap e.g does all the necessary steps to get you a bootable system
08:58<Danneh><-- noob :P
08:59<gk>cmr: it's showing unknown host www.google.com
08:59<mosno>devil_: sounds perfect for you, then ;)
08:59<cmr>gk: I asked about ifconfig, not ping
08:59<gk>cmr: sory
08:59<mosno>devil_: personally i wouldn't touch anything that isn't from a DD... but yeah.
09:00<devil_>mosno: he is no DD
09:00<gk>cmr: i'm pasting it to dpaste.org
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09:03<mosno>devil_: i'm not suggesting he is
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09:06<gk>cmr: it is same as earlier except pan0 the part is not there and Rx & Tx bytes are different
09:06<gk>cmr: http://dpaste.org/Eeiwa/
09:07<cmr>gk: Should be working fine; perhaps you aren't getting an ip (no dhcp server running?) or perhaps you have no nameservers available, try 'ping 8.8.8.8'
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09:08<gk>cmr: network is unreachable
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09:09<cmr>gk: Well, something's definitely broken somewhere! Can't tell you much more than that.
09:09<DebianN00b>hey guys
09:11<gk>cmr: it's working fine in windows ....is it any firmwire problem ?
09:12<cmr>gk: No, the interface goes up fine. The interface is even saying it's connected.
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09:12<cmr>Try pasting up the output of 'arp'
09:13<cmr>and 'route'
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09:14<gk>cmr: arp shows nothing
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09:17<gk>cmr: and route says... kernel ip routing table (nxt line) destination getway genmask flags metric ref use iface
09:17<DYSW>Got a bit of a problem with one of my users asking about perl support on cgi files, his cgi files just gets show, not executed. How can i add perl support for apache2 in squeeze ?
09:18<cmr>DYSW: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/howto/cgi.html
09:18<cmr>gk: Well, the interface works. But it's not seeing anyone nearby.
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09:19<DYSW>cmr > Thanks so much
09:19<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>hello, I have a question about 'apt-get': Without making any changes to any configuration files, how does a user make 'apt-get' use a different mirror to fetch packages ('.deb' files) from the command line ?
09:20<cmr>DYSW: I think you might need mod_perl but not certain; never set up cgi
09:20<gk>cmr:
09:20<devil_>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: not at all?
09:20<DYSW>what about apt-get install libapache2-mod-perl2 > is that needed ?
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09:20<gk>cmr:what could be da reason
09:20<devil_>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: btw: your nickname is not netbook-freindly
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09:23<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>devil_: i apologize that my nick was random-generated. But how come it is now possible though... there are so many things that seem to be able to be configured by specifying the "--option" command line option to apt-get. Surely, there exists some "--option" to set the mirror ?
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09:24<matsp888>openoffice.org crashes now and then when doing something in the file selector, like opening a folder.... that goes for 3.3 as well... otherwise it works swell
09:24<devil_>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: might be, i have not heard of one.
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09:24<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>;-(
09:24<matsp888>it's not debian related, really... rather OO related
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09:28<gk>hi.. i've installed squeeze (6.0.3). but network is not there....can anybody help?
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09:28<ompaul>gk: ohw did you instal it
09:28<DebianN00b>network as in the network icon?
09:28<DebianN00b>wireless or wired?
09:29<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>devil_: I thought my question would be a routine question encountered by sys-admins who wish to install from a user-specified mirror(s) conveniently and temporarily via he command line... So, I was expecting that I would get an instant solution. But instead, to find out that there is no such solution ... ;-(
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09:29<gk>ompaul: thanks for replying......using unetbootin
09:29<weasel>I'm pretty sure there is a solution. but it's not a common requirement, and your nickname is offputting.
09:29<devil_>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: editing sources.list is a minute job
09:30<devil_>so i never got the idea to dig
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09:31<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>devil_: but there are sys-admins who are don't like to touch configuration files because they might be automatically modified by the 'apt-get' itself, which would mean that I would have to merge my changes in EVERY time 'apt-get' auto-updates the configuration file...
09:31<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>s/are//
09:32<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>s/who are/who/
09:32<themill>apt-get never changes your config files. Also, what is the actual use case for this option?
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09:34<Bluehotdog5>My system just randomly booted up into 640x480
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09:36<gk>ompaul: is it common problem in squeeze 6.0.3?
09:36<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>themill: think about the huge convenience for a one time command-line invocation of installing a package using a command like: "apt-get --option Apt::UseMirror=http://... " Then the user wouldn't have to modify config file(s) for a one-time (temporary) 'apt-get' command invocation for a one-time install...
09:37<themill>I can't ever imagine wanting to do that. Hence "what is the actual use case for this option"?
09:37<ompaul>gk: no that is why I was wondering how you installed - was it a linux box you used unetbootin on
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09:37<devil_>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: usualy i want to upgrade the packages i install
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09:38<devil_>no repo - no upgrade
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09:39<ompaul>gk: I take it you installed without a wire plugged into your machine?
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09:40<ompaul>gk: it's a sure fire way to insure you have no possible network when you restart
09:40<gk>ompaul: i did it on winXp machine....it was plugged ..... i tried it many times, din work
09:41<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>devil_: it could apply to all apt-get invocations... I was just providing one use case for themill... My point is that the main settings that are configurable via the configuration files ought to be able to be configured via the command line, such that the command line option ALWAYS overrides the config file setting.
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09:43<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>devil_: in other words using something like "apt-get --option Apt::UseMirror=http://... " would ALWAYS override the mirror(s) specified in /etc/apt/sources.list*
09:43<devil_>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: that does not make it more usefull for me. like, themill, i cant imagine a usecase for this
09:43<ompaul>gk: ok, let me get you a link. http://www.pendrivelinux.com/debian-live-flash-drive-install-from-windows/
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09:44<ompaul>gk: same applies to an install stick
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09:44<devil_>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: for 1: i hardly ever use 3rd party repos. if i do, i still want the installed stuff to be upgradable
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09:44<devil_>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: if you plan to stay longer, please: /nick newnick
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09:45<themill>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: if you think it's so useful, the by all means submit a patch for it. I can't imagine any apt developers spending any time working on that feature.
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09:47<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>devil_, themill : I did not think I was offending any 'apt-get' developers in any of the things that I said... I was just pointing out what I thought to be a useful feature. But please, there is no need to offend one another by using degrading statements.
09:48<themill>no offence. patches with a "why anyone would possibly want this feature" welcome.
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09:49<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>devil_, themill : I did happen to Google about this issue, and there seem to be other users who have posted the exact same question on forums online... So, I thought there might be an easy solution...
09:50<anbe>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC, the only way I'd see this as useful is to have it as a substitution, e.g. Apt::SubstMirror=http://oldurl...=http://newurl... otherwise you replace e.g. the security archive by an invalid URL
09:51<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>anbe: sure! I would be perfectly happy with that... I wish there were such an option I could use right now ...
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10:03<Bluehotdog5>Does anyone know why my computer would randomly go to 640x480 when I start up?
10:03<Bluehotdog5>I can't get it any higher than that
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10:12<darkztk>hi, someone know about MSN plugin in Empathy?
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10:13<darkztk>i've installed empathy, but i can't choose MSN Protocol, only Google, Facebook and Jabber
10:13<cmr>darkztk: I don't know about empathy specifically but one gotcha I've found is that with the introduction of WLM and its protocol, msn stuff is meh when communicating with WLM clients.
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10:14<cmr>darkztk:
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10:14<cmr>darkztk: aptitude install telepathy-butterfly
10:14<c0d3r>test
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10:17<darkztk>cmr, doesn't work, i'll try the IMO
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10:18<darkztk>imo run like a charm =)
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10:19<darkztk>cmr, thanks
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10:27<ProjektGhost>Hello, was wondering if someone could help me in generating a xorg.conf file. I'm trying to get one on my netbook so it's just an intel GMA (no nVidia or ATI GPU).
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10:31<cahoot>xorg -configure
10:32<ProjektGhost>Can I do that even while running X?
10:32<cahoot>you're sure you need one?
10:32<Torsten_W>since when a intel-gpu needs a xorg.conf?
10:32<ProjektGhost>Well, I'd like one :-)
10:32<ProjektGhost>But no, I don't absolutely need it.
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10:35<ProjektGhost>I tried the command and it's telling me to make sure X isn't already running. BRB
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10:38<\JeSTeR\>hello, anyone know how to set it up to make a hosting users allowed only one ip?
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10:53<anto>hello
10:53<sney>hi
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10:53<darkztk>hi
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10:55<anto>!list
10:55<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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10:57<anto>!list
10:57<dpkg>anto: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
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10:57<anto>grazie
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10:58<Black_Prince>.np
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10:58<Black_Prince>ECHAN
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11:20<yaman>hi everybody
11:20<yaman>I have a sound problem
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11:20<yaman>actually i don't have sound
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11:20<yaman>can somebody help me, please?
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11:21<yaman>I was trying to disable beep sound of the system
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11:21<yaman>http://www.arsgeek.com/2006/08/23/how-to-turn-off-the-annoying-system-beep-in-linux-debianubuntu/
11:21<yaman>and followed this guide
11:22<yaman>and now I don't have sound
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11:23<ompaul>yaman: random blocks are not great
11:23<yaman>ok, sorry. I didn't know
11:27<sney>I've never seen pcspkr as a dependency for other sound modules though. I have it blacklisted on my systems and I still have regular sound
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11:31<ompaul>sney: he might not have other speakers
11:32<ompaul>I had to go away
11:32<sney>oh yeah, there were a bunch of compaqs like that
11:32<ompaul>it got into and contaminated the hps as well :)
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11:39<mbr>hi, in win64 i use tracert for cli ip tracing. is there something simalair for debian?
11:39<boba>traceroute
11:40<mbr>hm im sorry for that :)
11:40<mbr>thanks boba
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12:02<mercutio22>my libreoffice installation is missing something. I have reinstalled to no avail: /usr/bin/libreoffice: 2: /usr/bin/libreoffice: /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice: not found
12:02<mercutio22>which package contains this?
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12:04<Black_Prince>judd, file programs/soffice
12:04<judd>No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file.
12:04<Black_Prince>judd, file programs/soffice --release squeeze-backports
12:04<Black_Prince>judd, file programs/soffice --release wheezy
12:04<judd>No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file.
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12:04<Black_Prince>grrr
12:04<Black_Prince>judd, file program/soffice --release wheezy
12:04<judd>Search for program/soffice in wheezy/i386: libreoffice-common: usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice
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12:04<Black_Prince>mercutio22, ^
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12:07<mercutio22>Black_Prince: thanks. I reinstalled it. Now I see the libreoffice splash screen very briefly then it crashes
12:07<mercutio22>no error msg
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12:08<mercutio22>looks like its a very recurrent problem
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12:09<mercutio22>some people suggest reinstalling
12:09<mercutio22>I already did though
12:09<pavlo>good evening all
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12:11<lalo>can some one tell me how to connect to backtrack IRC
12:12<Black_Prince>dpkg, backtrack
12:12<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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12:13<polix>is there somebody from Ukraine or Russia?
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12:15<jhutchins_lt>!ru
12:15<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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12:50<heffay>this may not be the right channel for this but i cannot get conky to appear transparent with fluxbox. can someone point in the right direction?
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12:52<jhutchins_lt>heffay: Which release are you running?
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12:53<heffay>squeeze
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12:56<luis_>Bienvenidos!..
12:57<luis_>esperamos que se sientan como en casa!..amigos!..
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12:58<chrisreich>!es
12:58<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:58<luis_>ok!..
12:59<luis_>thank very
12:59<kleanchap>I have other tools I need to do updates to now. I am trying to run wicd and getting the following error message. http://pastebin.com/TaKL1163
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12:59<heffay>jhutchins, squeeze
13:00<luis_>debian-es con /join #debian-es
13:00<luis_>formidable!..
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13:02<jhutchins_lt>heffay: Does fluxbox support other transparency?
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13:03<heffay>jhutchins: the wiki says it supports psuedo-transparency but copying it's background to that of the desktop
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13:03<mvdwege>evening
13:04<mvdwege>I have a fresh squeeze install hanging at boot during statd startup
13:04<mvdwege>googling brings me many hits
13:04<mvdwege>too many to sift through
13:04<mvdwege>anyone seen this problem recently?
13:05<darkztk>mvdwege, you install via text-mode?
13:05<mvdwege>yup
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13:05<mvdwege>installed a base system
13:05<mvdwege>verified it worked
13:05<mvdwege>ran dpkg --set-selections and aptitude to reinstall the full system
13:05<mvdwege>reboot, hang.
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13:06<mvdwege>I reinstalled because it was hanging, and i feared corrupt root fs
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13:06<mvdwege>but disk was ok
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13:07<mvdwege>booting the install media in rescue mode
13:07<mvdwege>and manually starting portmap and nfs-common
13:07<mvdwege>works
13:07<mvdwege>while it hangs at statd when booting from the fresh install
13:08<jhutchins_lt>mvdwege: Probably whatever happens after statd is the problem.
13:10<jhutchins_lt>mvdwege: Is there a partition close to being out of space?
13:10<jhutchins_lt>mvdwege: Possibly /var?
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13:13<mvdwege>hmm
13:13<mvdwege>unloading and reloading r8169 and the rescue image hangs as well
13:13<mvdwege>any known bugs in the r8169 driver?
13:13<mvdwege>bugger
13:13<mvdwege>lost my network cable
13:14<mvdwege>jhutchins_lt, nope
13:14<mvdwege>plenty of space left
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13:18<mvdwege>rpcbind, if running, complains about missing rpcbind.xdr files though
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13:20<mvdwege>jhutchins_lt, according to rcS.d it should start nfs-common after statd
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13:20<mvdwege>jhutchins_lt, let me see what happens if I remove rpcbind and nfs-common
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13:22<mvdwege>and now it hangs starting rsyslogd
13:22<mvdwege>it does appear that the network is half-dead
13:22<mvdwege>but why would it work in the rescue environment, and not live?
13:23<mvdwege>wait
13:23<mvdwege>it installed decnet
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13:23<mvdwege>and decnet messes with the hardware address
13:23<mvdwege>is that it?
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13:25<aquarius>hi
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13:25<aquarius>can anyone help me set up ALSA correctly? I'm through with this...
13:25<jankidudel>apt-get install linux-image-2.35xXXXXXX , but Kernel version is as it was, 2.18XXXX . I'm on Lenny ( remote )
13:25<mvdwege>anyone have a clue?
13:25<mvdwege>I'm getting quite stressed out
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13:27<Sicelo>rebooted after kernel upgrade?
13:28<aquarius>great..
13:28<\JeSTeR\>anyone know how to set it up to make a hosting users allowed only one ip?
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13:30<jankidudel>Sicelo, no, didn't rebooted
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13:31<aquarius>ALSA!
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13:33<aquarius>great assistance guys :)
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13:33<ompaul>!tell aquarius about alsa
13:33<aquarius>thanks
13:34<aquarius>because this thing has been really annoying to me ever since i got onto Debian
13:34<aquarius>it's basically the only prob i have
13:34<ompaul>well the answer is ther ewith the bot have fun
13:34<aquarius>some apps tend to jam it for some reason
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13:34<ompaul>audio is a mess
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13:34<aquarius>apparently yes
13:35<ompaul>no, it actually is :-)
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13:35<aquarius>:)
13:35<aquarius>well.. that fact doesn't make me feel any better
13:35<aquarius>i want to make it alright
13:35<chrisreich>!tell chrisreich about alsa
13:35<aquarius>it's usually skype i have probs with... but not only, so if that was ONLY skype..
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13:38<zsolt>hi there.could somebody send me a howto about stunnel?
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13:38<ml|>chrisreich: /msg dpkg selftell
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13:41<jankidudel>after try to update kernel i got this info : http://paste.debian.net/143273/ , where from I could get Red Hat ???
13:42<mvdwege>got it
13:42<mvdwege>it was decnet
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13:42<sney->jankidudel: that just means the build system was running red hat, nothing to worry about really
13:42<mvdwege>decnet+realtek shit NICs is not a good combination
13:43<sney->jankidudel: but... 2.6.18? are you running etch?
13:43<sney->mvdwege: anything + realtek shit nics...
13:43<mvdwege>aye
13:43<jankidudel>sney-, I'm running Lenny, tried to upgrade to 2.6.32 , now it shows 2.6.18 again.
13:43<mvdwege>sney-, this is a built-in card, it's worked well enough for now
13:43<ml|>judd: kernels
13:43<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-6); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
13:44<sney->mvdwege: yeah, sometimes you're just stuck with onboard. at least it's not totally broken.
13:44<mvdwege>sney-, but apparently getting a nice Intel instead is now priority #1
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13:44<sney->jankidudel: how did you try to upgrade? from debian-backports?
13:44<\JeSTeR\>so no one wants to help?
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13:44<mvdwege>perhaps a good idea to add to the installation warning
13:45<mvdwege>it says decnet messes with the MAC address, and that that requires a reboot
13:45<mvdwege>but it says nothing about some network cards hard crashing
13:45<sney->\JeSTeR\: with?
13:45<jankidudel>sney-, here's how: apt-get install linux-image-x.x.x-xx
13:45<\JeSTeR\>anyone know how to set it up to make a hosting users allowed only one ip?
13:45<mvdwege>and *what* pulled in decnet as a dependency?
13:45<sney->jankidudel: what does uname -r say?
13:46<ml|>should have at least 2.6.26 kernel
13:46<jankidudel>sney-, 2.6.18-238.5.1.iv.028stab085.3
13:46<sney->\JeSTeR\: what are you trying to do exactly
13:46<sney->jankidudel: weird, is this a vps or something
13:46<sney->jankidudel: and what does /etc/debian_version say?
13:46<\JeSTeR\>make it so i can set user1 ip1 and hes not allowed ip2-9 only allowed to use ip1
13:46<mvdwege>oh no
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13:47<mvdwege>don't tell me it's network-manager
13:47<mvdwege>it's rebooting now, i'll check that
13:47<mvdwege>is there a way to find dependents and suggestions?
13:47<ml|>try aptitude why foo
13:47<jankidudel>sney-, it's dedicated web server, , /etc/debian_version says 5.0.9
13:47<ml|>or aptitude show foo
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13:48<mvdwege>ml|, aptitude doesn't know
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13:49<sney->jankidudel: try downloading the kernel deb directly from packages.debian.org and installing with dpkg -i. for lenny you'll want http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686
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13:52<\JeSTeR\>sney- did you understand that?
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13:52<Black_Prince>wait ... if it's server, then that means you can't select kernel via grub ... the first one will be loaded. And /me guesses that 2.6.18 is default kernel.
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13:53<quiggle>hi all
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13:53<quiggle>i am facing an issue with hibernate wake up in 6.0.3
13:53<sney->\JeSTeR\: you mean only letting specific users have access to specific interfaces?
13:53<wompa>Where do I see the messages that's showing during shutdown?
13:53<\JeSTeR\>ya
13:53<quiggle>Could someone help me
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13:54<Black_Prince>quiggle, ask
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13:54<ml|>wompa: /msg dpkg bootlog
13:55<sney->\JeSTeR\: geez, I'm not sure. you could do it with separate VMs I suppose, with each VM's 1 interface corresponding to one of the host's
13:55<ml|>mvdwege: does not know what?
13:56<\JeSTeR\>:\ to messy
13:56<\JeSTeR\>i already thought of that
13:56<\JeSTeR\>isn't there a config someone that deals with that?
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13:58<quiggle>once in 4 times, wake up of hibernate fails
13:58<quiggle>after the grub screen and some loading text comes...
13:58<quiggle>after that no response..
13:58<quiggle>i had to restart the machine and i will lose all previous session detials
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14:00<TaZeRz>hey guys im having a problem
14:00<TaZeRz>i installed debian 6.0.1 but i cant install the nvidia drivers
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14:01<TaZeRz>it says to shut down x server and ive tried /etc/init.d/gdm stop
14:01<TaZeRz>but it says file not found
14:01<EmleyMoor>TaZeRz: How are you trying to install the driver?
14:01<TaZeRz>i downloaded from the nvidia drivers and i run their installer
14:01<sney->!why nvidia installer sucks
14:01<dpkg>nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. We recommend against using it based on extensive experience. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia>.
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14:02<TaZeRz>what the?
14:02<ml|>dpkg: nvidia
14:02<dpkg>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
14:02<TaZeRz>please im overwhelmed
14:03<TaZeRz>can you tell me how i can stop my x server?
14:03<ml|>read what dpkg said
14:03<TaZeRz>and drop to a vga terminal
14:03<TaZeRz>its weird cuz everywhere it says that /etc/init.d/gdm stop command
14:03<TaZeRz>but it doesnt recongize it for me
14:04<quiggle>Could some one help me on the hibernate issue in 6.0.3
14:04<quiggle>But someone keeps kicking me out
14:04<quiggle>I dont know y
14:04<TaZeRz>i dont plan to update xorg much i just need nvidia drivers working on this
14:04<TaZeRz>im stuck at 800x600 res
14:04<Black_Prince>TaZeRz, gdm is gdm3 in squeeze (unless using old one) ... so /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop if you are running gnome.
14:04<TaZeRz>on a 32" screen
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14:05<TaZeRz>ok ill try that prince
14:05<ml|>quiggle: go ahead and ask, just don't use ENTER all the time
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14:05<Black_Prince>Just a note, you will lose all gui :D
14:05<Black_Prince>And I'll still recommend using Debian way and install it via apt(itude)
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14:05<Black_Prince>Too late ...
14:05<ml|>heh
14:06<quiggle>6.0.3 hibernate wake up failures Postby pakkatechie » 2011-11-06 23:56 In 6.0.3, i am facing an issue of occasional failures in the hibernate wake up. During the hibernate wake up, the monitor goes blank after Grub and Loading screen. After it goes blank i had to force restart. It happens once in 4 times
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14:06<shanks>quiggle: me too
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14:06<shanks>quiggle: but i'm pretty sure it was doing it pre point release
14:06<quiggle>Its disappointing this happens in stable
14:06<ml|>quiggle: your message stopped at 'in 4 times'
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14:07<quiggle>If i do hibernate for 4 times
14:07<quiggle>atleast one time this issue will come
14:08<shanks>i have a question. i looked on wiki.debian.org/WiFi. found my device, a ra5390. installed the ralink firmware package. nothing happens. now the page does mention instructions for Wheezy but since the package exists in Squeeze I thought it'd work. Bad assumption?
14:08<shanks>quiggle: report it via the bug requesty thing. i intend to on Monday
14:08<ml|>but first check BTS
14:08<shanks>quiggle: question. do you use encrypted LVM?
14:08<shanks>ml|: i have
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14:08<ml|>ok
14:09<ml|>and that thing is reportbug ;)
14:09<quiggle>encrypted LVM ?.. I dont about that. sorry. But my linux partition are not encrypted
14:09<quiggle>they are ext4
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14:10<shanks>quiggle: this is only info for me ;-) because I use encrypted LVM (it's a laptop) and so I was wondering where the bug might lay (and hence whom to report it to)
14:10<quiggle>shanks : question.. I intend to on monday.. Didnt get this
14:10<TaZeRz>i dont think the nvidia drivers wanna work with my old kernel or something
14:10<TaZeRz>stock debian kernel isnt good enough for latest nvidia drivers?
14:11<shanks>quiggle: I intend to report the bug tomorrow.
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14:11<shanks>quiggle: to my knowledge (i look through all their reported bugs and those fixed recently) they don't know about it
14:11<ml|>TaZeRz: Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
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14:12<TaZeRz>do u have a better way?
14:12<quiggle>shanks : Any idea, using fglrx will fix this issue?
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14:13<ml|>TaZeRz: /msg dpkg why nvidia installer sucks and /msg dpkg nvidia hint follow the wiki
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14:13<TaZeRz>k
14:15<TaZeRz>i have a gtx 560 ti
14:15<TaZeRz>it talks about some old cards
14:15<ml|>TaZeRz: there is also.. /msg dpkg nvidia dkms but for details read the wiki
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14:16<quiggle>shanks : Any idea, using fglrx will fix this issue?
14:16<shanks>quiggle: no idea
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14:18<quiggle>i installed fglrx . Had to restart.
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14:18<TaZeRz>hehe got it working
14:18<TaZeRz>my kernel was fine just needed the source
14:19<TaZeRz>nice full hd res ahh my eyes
14:19<ml|>TaZeRz: using nvidia's installer?
14:19<TaZeRz>yea
14:19<ml|>ok
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14:19<ml|>TaZeRz: on squeeze right?
14:19<TaZeRz>yep
14:20<TaZeRz>os[Linux 2.6.32-5-686 i686] distro[Debian 6.0.1] cpu[4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 3.41GHz] mem[Physical: 3.5GB, 96.3% free] disk[Total: 56.9GB, 90.9% free] video[nVidia Corporation DAudio Codec] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH]
14:20<ml|>yeah, you have to use nvidia's installer; since your card is not supported in squeeze
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14:21<TaZeRz>works good now
14:21<sney->wanna get that 290 driver backported
14:21<TaZeRz>nah
14:21<sney->I mean I do
14:21<TaZeRz>oh cool
14:22<sney->so we don't have to support people breaking X on updates because they used the nvidia installer
14:22<ml|>sney-: good luck; might have to wait a bit still in experimental
14:22<wompa>ml|, thanks, but boot.log doesn't show me the shutdown sequence
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14:23<ml|>wompa: ah, I missed that sorry
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14:23<wompa>np
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14:24<ml|>somehow read it that you needed that at boot time ;)
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14:29<scraze>sney: backport would solve so much :]
14:30<sney->scraze: I know! I'm tempted to just do it myself and host it somewhere, but that wouldn't be very Debian Way
14:30<sney->actually it should probably just be the 280/275 driver since that would work with xorg 1.10 already in backports
14:31<scraze>its 195 now right?
14:32<sney->judd: versions nvidia-kernel-dkms
14:32<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; wheezy/non-free: 280.13.really.275.28-1; sid/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1; experimental/non-free: 290.06-1
14:32<ml|>yes
14:32<ml|>judd: checkbackport nvidia-glx
14:32<judd>Backporting package nvidia-glx in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied.
14:32<anbe>275.36 in sid should be fine, fixing all issues
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14:33<anbe>once this has moved to testing I'll initiate a backport
14:33*anbe maintains the nvidia things ...
14:33<ml|>nice for squeeze users :)
14:33<sney->what's wrong with 275.28-1 in wheezy? I thought the only issue with that was the abi thing
14:33<ml|>anbe: yes, thanks for your work :)
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14:35<Nik05>hello guys
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14:36<Nik05>Thanks guys for pointing me to namebench
14:36<scraze>awesome anbe!
14:36<Nik05>found a dns server faster then opendns and googledns :)
14:36<Nik05>dns.euro.net or dns2.euro.net :)
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14:37<sney->Nik05: that's great but dns discussions are really better suited to #debian-offtopic
14:37<ml|>dpkg: congratulate Nik05
14:37<dpkg>Woohoo Nik05, you did it!
14:37<Nik05>thanks :D
14:37<Nik05>ok sney- :P
14:38<Nik05>see you later guys :)
14:38<Nik05>bye
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15:05<fatalko0>Всем доброй ночи или вечера, нужна помощь в установке драйвера ati в debian squeeze, моя видео карта HD5600, прочитал вики не помогло ошибки , думаю проблема в xorg кто подскажет как переустановить xorg ниже версий ?
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15:06<ompaul>!ru
15:06<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
15:07<theocrite>Hello.
15:08<theocrite>I'm trying to (re)install my graphic card driver under wheezy. But the xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd packet disappeared.
15:08<theocrite>More exactly, it was available in squeeze, and now, only for m68k in sid.
15:08<babilen>theocrite: yes, use xserver-xorg-video-radeon
15:08<babilen>theocrite: radeonhd has been deprecated
15:09<theocrite>babilen: oh ok. Thanks.
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15:09<theocrite>So I guess http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo is not uptodate right?
15:09<babilen>*shrug*
15:10<fatalko0>Vse privet nuzna pomow v ustanovke driver'a ati v debian squeeze , main video card HD5600, pro4ital wiki pitalsja stavit no error, dumau problema v xorg , podskazite kak pereustanovit xorg nize versi ?
15:10<theocrite>Is that a yes? :)
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15:10<theocrite>I would gladly update the page, but I'm just making sure I won't insert errors.
15:11<fatalko0>To all a good night or in the evening, I need help to install driver ati in debian squeeze, my video card HD5600, read the wiki did not help the error, I think the problem is xorg someone tell me how to reinstall xorg lower versions?
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15:14<scraze>theocrite: radeonhd still exists in Squeeze, that page is accurate for stable .. but there seems to be a lack of information specific to wheezy
15:14<scraze>not sure whether those pages are intended to contain information for testing
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15:16<theocrite>scraze: Oh yeah that's right.
15:17<theocrite>That said I'm not sure stable is the aim for graphical stuff. But that's offtopic. :)
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15:21<jhutchins>scraze: Why would there be documentation for a release that isn't even in final form yet?
15:22<jhutchins>scraze: Wheezy has NOT been released.
15:22<jhutchins>scraze: There would be no point in documenting things that might well change before release.
15:22<scraze>yes, that's why I said 'not sure' - there is a tiny mention of sid on that page
15:22<weasel>I'm not sure I agree.
15:22<weasel>part of the release process is creating documentation
15:23<scraze>of course it could be helpful to have a documentation WIP
15:23<weasel>and things rarely change radically, rendingering all previous versions entirely obsolete
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15:24<jhutchins>weasel: You're thinking of testing as if it were just the newer, shinier release, not a work in progress.
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15:24<weasel>no.
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15:25<ml|>usually any mention of testing on the wiki gets updated as needed and when released that becomes stable documentation
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15:43<zsolt>hello!could somebody tell me how to run stunnel in damon mode?
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15:43<zsolt>I can't find out where to set to run in daemon mode
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15:46<viliny>hello!
15:46<sney->hello
15:46<viliny>I just did a fresh install of squeeze in order to attempt to finally get my sound to work
15:47<viliny>the problem started in ubuntu 11.10, then i went to 10.04 and now debian
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15:47<viliny>the problem persists throughout all distributions
15:47<sney->and the problem is
15:47<viliny>basicly everything looks semi-ok and all troubleshooting steps i have done so far have yelded no results
15:48<sney->no sound at all?
15:48<viliny>basicly, can someone here whos a little more experienced with alsa and all that, help me get my ALC887 to work in debian?
15:48<viliny>no sound at all
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15:49<sney->well, tell me what troubleshooting steps you tried already, and then we can start from there
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15:50<viliny>basically, tried different snd-hda-intel model=xxx variations and tried installing several alsa versions including building one myself
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15:50<viliny>the first part being modifying alsa-base.conf
15:50<sney->what does alsamixer show?
15:50<viliny>ubuntu soundtroubleshoointg from start to finish and a debian equivelant i could find
15:51<viliny>root@boxey:/home/viliny# alsamixer
15:51<viliny>cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument
15:51<viliny>those _have_ worked at some point in time
15:51<sney->can you pastebin /proc/asound/cards ?
15:51<sney->heh, "used to work" is not useful information while troubleshooting, really
15:51<viliny>as root, it tells me permission denied
15:52<viliny>sney, i ment, i got alsamixer to work at some point but that didn't change the fact that it was silent :)
15:52<scraze>viliny: could you execute this as root: wget http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh -O /usr/local/sbin/alsa-info; chmod 700 /usr/local/sbin/alsa-info; alsa-info
15:52<viliny>but i get your point
15:52<viliny>ah yes, the info script
15:52<ml|>viliny: lspci -nn | grep -i audio
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15:53<viliny>http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=93003975e84d7d3474419163248b5a5f25a25d46
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15:53<viliny>root@boxey:/home/viliny# lspci -nn | grep -i audio
15:53<viliny>00:14.2 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) [1002:4383]
15:54<viliny>(ALC887) as far as i know
15:54<viliny>This is a Asus microatx motherboard with integrated sound
15:54<sney->,pciid 1002:4383
15:54<ml|>judd: pciid 1002:4383
15:54<judd>[1002:4383] is 'SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:4383 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
15:54<judd>[1002:4383] is 'SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:4383 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
15:54<sney->ha
15:54<ml|>heh
15:54<sney->the vague lspci entry suggests a newer kernel might help
15:55<viliny>ah splendid
15:55<viliny>i assume debian requires some unstable or similar repos to be enabled
15:55<sney->!bdo kernel
15:55<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports.debian.org to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae See also <bdo kernel lenny>.
15:55<viliny>backports was the name
15:55<gsimmons>zsolt: See "Basic configuration" within /usr/share/doc/stunnel4/README.Debian for enabling tunnels via the stunnel4 init script.
15:56<viliny>!bdo
15:56<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905
15:56<ml|>viliny: /msg dpkg selftell
15:57<scraze>sney: i thought lspci translations are done through /usr/share/misc/pci.ids, not the kernel? to be updated by update-pciids ?
15:57<sney->scraze: yes, but on a stock squeeze system, it's still a clue sometimes.
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15:59<viliny>what route do you recommend i take installing a newer kernel?
16:00<viliny>ah the bot already got that covered, my bad
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16:02<viliny>i reinstalled the stock system in order to eliminate any user errors when we troubleshoot
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16:06<viliny>rebooting into newer kernel
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16:08<viliny>sney, using new kernel now
16:08<viliny>no difference
16:08<viliny>uname -r
16:08<viliny>2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64
16:08<sney->viliny: hmm, still the same alsamixer error?
16:09<viliny>no actually, alsamixer
16:09<viliny>cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
16:09<sney->'modprobe snd-hda-intel' and try again
16:09<viliny>done and same error
16:10<scraze>if still the same problem, try rmmod snd-hda-intel; modprobe snd-hda-intel model=generic
16:10<viliny>same error
16:10<viliny>same error on non-root user as well
16:11<viliny>i got the sneaking suspicion that alsa was missing ALC887 drivers
16:12<viliny>i also remember reading from an alsa dev that the alc887 was covered in some kind of generic hda module...
16:12<viliny>im at a loss on what to do next
16:13<scraze>hrm, there is a patch for ALC887, not sure whether it got all the way upstream
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16:14<viliny>what does that mean for me?
16:14<viliny>can i find that said patch and attempt to apply it manually?
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16:14<scraze>could you re-run the alsa-info ? probably not much of a difference but better to be sure
16:15<scraze> found it in a mail archive: http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0812.1/01511.html
16:15<viliny>http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=5e5634fa484a0ee1664883fe7306341057c77e58
16:15<viliny>there we go
16:16<viliny>i see that the driver version differs from the library and utilities
16:16<viliny>i remember reading thats a bad thing
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16:16<viliny>seems like a lot of other stuff is missing as well
16:16<gsimmons>scraze: That went in at Linux 2.6.28.
16:16<scraze>thanks gsimmons
16:17<scraze>here's a scary thing from your dmesg: hda-intel: unable to grab IRQ 0, disabling device
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16:17<viliny>what could cause that?
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16:18<scraze>I don't know .. is it at all possible that you have the soundcard disabled in the BIOS?
16:19<viliny>unlikely seeing as i have been wrestling with this issue for a week, but i can check
16:19<viliny>theres also the option to switch between ac97 and hda
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16:19<viliny>i'll head to bios now ->
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16:24<viliny>scraze, i switched some stuff around
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16:24<viliny>i disabled serial and parallel ports to free up IRQ:s, dunno if that'll help but i don't use them either way
16:24<viliny>i set my OS to plug and play capable
16:24<viliny>now it seems it detects my card, and alsamixer works
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16:25<viliny>but no sound still
16:25<ml|>not muted, do you see MM on the bottom in alsamixer?
16:26<viliny>line was muted
16:26<viliny>unmuted it but no difference
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16:28<ml|>viliny: try.. speaker-test -t wav -c2
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16:29<viliny>does not give an error but i can't hear anything
16:29<viliny>it's now running
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16:30<ml|>just making sure, are speakers connect, on, etc...?
16:30<viliny>yes, should be
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16:30<ml|>connected*
16:31<viliny>now sitting with headphones on, no difference
16:31<jankidudel>upgraded from lenny to squeeze, but can't upgrade kernel itself. Hod do I do that ?
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16:32<viliny>http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=26278f7eb193cab3eeabb02340f40193138bafa5
16:32<viliny>current situation
16:32<viliny>but isn't the driver version differing from the others a problem?
16:32<ml|>viliny: perhaps hardware issue, does it work in a livecd or another OS?
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16:33<viliny>ml|, works in windows yes
16:34<viliny>tried different linux livecd's all having debian as their backbone and tried between 32 and 64 bits, same problem all across
16:34<ml|>weird
16:34<scraze>viliny: might still be that the model is not matched, perhaps retry rmmod snd-hda-intel; modprobe snd-hda-intel model=generic
16:34<viliny>ERROR: Module snd_hda_intel is in use
16:35<scraze>check lsof /dev/snd/* to see what's using it
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16:36<viliny>mixer_app
16:36<scraze>perhaps that's alsamixer - did you close all instances?
16:36<viliny>i can't see any instances at least
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16:37<scraze>my bad, that's not alsamixer - it's there by default
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16:38<viliny>that was gnome mixer
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16:38<viliny>dead now though
16:38<viliny>the model=generic gave me one master slide in alsa
16:38<scraze>oh, then I have gnome mixer on as well .. even more bad :} 'pologies
16:38<scraze>ok, so that's definitely not helpful either
16:39<scraze>so no jacks give output at all?
16:39<scraze>rmmod snd-hda-intel; modprobe snd-hda-intel to get the normal functionality back
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16:39<viliny>no sound at all
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16:40<viliny>this being an microatx, maybe debian is expecting me to use front jacks or something?
16:40<viliny>i can't test that seeing as the machine is built into a plastic box instead of a computer case and theres no additional audio ports connected
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16:41<scraze>i wouldn't think so, the controls from alsa-mixer are probed from the soundcard itself, not the motherboard - if i'm not mistaken
16:42<scraze>playing with the IEC958 switches doesn't work either I assume?
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16:42<viliny>still, my driver version is different from the two others, some troubleshooter told me thats a bad thing, whats your take on that?
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16:42<viliny>scraze, i don't know how to... switch those
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16:45<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>when I try to run 'do-release-upgrade' from within an emacs *shell* buffer, I get the following error: "Clear screen capability required". I do not like it when any program clears the screen without the user's permission and I don't want the screen cleared because I want to preserve all of the terminal output without losing anything. So, how do I ensure that I preseve all output from 'do-release-upgrade' ?
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16:47<scraze>viliny: i'm not sure which package contains the drivers, but as long as those are the most recent package from the stable repository it should work fine
16:47<viliny>hmm
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16:47<viliny>any idea how i can restart my gnome mixer?
16:47<viliny>a restart didn't seem to do the trick
16:48<viliny>ah found it in the menus
16:48<scraze>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: does that environment support typescripts, i.e. script from the bsdutils package?
16:48<scraze>viliny: the switches show up as checkboxes in a tab in the gnome mixer
16:49<viliny>doing stuff to them changes nothing :(
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16:49<scraze>viliny: currently have no ideas left :( except just trying different models for the ALC887
16:50<viliny>i have tried basic, generic, asus, ref and auto
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16:52<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>scraze: i'm not sure... the TERM=dumb
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16:53<scraze>viliny: I guess you found the list at http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio-Models.txt
16:53<viliny>well poo, another evening of no sound :(
16:54<scraze>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: I don't know enough about terms to tell you anything you don't know - but you could try & see what happens with script :)
16:54<viliny>alc997 not listed
16:54<viliny>887*
16:54<scraze>viliny: I believe you can use the list from ALC882/883/885/888/889
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16:55<brutal_chaos>any devs around?
16:55<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>scraze: I noticed that /var/log/dist-upgrade/screenlog.0 contains a log of the screen output from 'do-release-upgrade', but will that be truncated or eventually deleted ? I would like to preserve this file .. will it be preserved after 'do-release-upgrade' is finished or will it be deleted ?
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16:56<scraze>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: wait a second .. I was thinking 'why don't I recognise the command do-release-upgrade' -are you running Ubuntu?
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16:57<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>scraze: yes
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16:57<scraze>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: then apologies, I have to be a party-pooper:
16:57<scraze>!ubuntu
16:57<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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16:59<gnugr>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC:you've been told to change nick, please do
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16:59<viliny>scraze, i notice a lot of these models are called the same as they are called under other chipsets
16:59<viliny>how do i specify from which category i want it?
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17:00<scraze>viliny: I don't believe you have to, alsa knows you have an ALC887
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17:04<viliny>scraze nothing here seems to work :/
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17:06<scraze>:( I wish I knew more about alsa .. I feel like alsa is recognizing your card just fine, the codec is now recognized as ALC887-VD which would seem to be specific enough to be accurate
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17:06<onryo>Any recommendations on a wifi card that works with my 300mbs N Tomato router?
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17:07<scraze>viliny: with the default model (model=auto or without model option at all), can you record sound?
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17:07<sney->onryo: no specific models but anything ath9k is good
17:07<onryo>Using kernel kernel 3
17:07<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>gnugr: My nick is random-generated and there is a very important reason for it, which I do not wish to disclose. So, I beg you to allow me to keep my nick.
17:07<viliny>scraze yeah... well i'll just give it a rest for today
17:07<viliny>it's getting very late
17:07<viliny>thank a tonne for the help!
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17:08<scraze>ok :] wish I could've helped you further, good luck!
17:08<onryo>sney will that work at 300 mbs N router?
17:08<viliny>thank you sir :)
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17:08<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>scraze: I figured there would be ubuntu users in this channel as well; so it wouldn't hurt trying...
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17:09<onryo>sney I flashed my RT-N16 with the Toamto.
17:09<sney->onryo: yes, it's the atheros 802.11n chip series. the drivers are very solid, mac80211 compliant, and do not require any 3rd party firmware
17:09<ompaul>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: well it hurts you need to be on irc.freenode.net #ubuntu
17:09<viliny>i have been known to dabble in ubuntu qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC, whats up?
17:09<ompaul>viliny: it has it's own home
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17:09<sney->viliny: you can talk to him in a query window if you want but in #debian we do not support non-Debian OSes
17:09<viliny>yeah okay, fair enough
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17:10<onryo>sney thx =). Is that driver GPL ? I only use the main repos
17:10<sney->onryo: yes, it's included in the kernel starting with 2.6.32 iirc
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17:10<onryo>sney kick ass! Nice. Thx =)
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17:11<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>ompaul: freenode will not allow users to connect via tor proxy and the only way I can connect to anything is via tor proxy. I'm apologize, but I have no choice, but to try elsewhere (like here)...
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17:12<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>viliny: when I try to run 'do-release-upgrade' from within an emacs *shell* buffer, I get the following error: "Clear screen capability required". I do not like it when any program clears the screen without the user's permission and I don't want the screen cleared because I want to preserve all of the terminal output without losing anything. So, how do I ensure that I preseve all output from 'do-release-upgrade' ?
17:12<sney->qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: maybe the linux mint channel will help you, they're on irc.spotchat.org
17:12<ompaul>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: why is that our problem
17:12<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>viliny: I noticed that /var/log/dist-upgrade/screenlog.0 contains a log of the screen output from 'do-release-upgrade', but will that be truncated or eventually deleted ? I would like to preserve this file .. will it be preserved after 'do-release-upgrade' is finished or will it be deleted ?
17:12<sney->qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: if you want to talk to viliny you can /msg him
17:12<sney->(if he says that is ok)
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17:12<babilen>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: You do, just register and you can connect all you want. This is, however, not the right channel for you if you are using Ubuntu. Please go to #ubuntu or #linux on freenode.
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17:14<qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC>ok, I won't ask any Ubuntu-specific questions: but if I have a 'dpkg' or 'apt-get' related question, can I still ask that here at least?
17:14<sney->not now that we know you're on ubuntu
17:14<sney->please desist
17:14<iuriguilherme>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: he is kiddin, you may ask
17:15<sney->I am not kiddin.
17:15<babilen>iuriguilherme: sney- is most certainly not kidding.
17:15<retro|blah>There is no kidding in this channel.
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17:15<babilen>qlKLPbRGfcy3lQBIvvbfWmpC: Please go to #ubuntu or another channel. We can and will not support anything but Debian in here. Please respect that decision. Thank you!
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17:22<newb12466343>Hi guys, need help with scponly chroot. I have a user like this "scponly:x:1002:1003::/home/scponly//incoming:/usr/sbin/scponlyc" and when Im trying to connect with "sftp scponly@remotehost" I got "Couldn't read packet: Connection reset by peer". Thanks in advance
17:22<valdyn>newb12466343: that should give the same error when logging in as someone else, and thus have nothing to do with that specific user
17:23<bluenemo>is a kvm vm disturbed when the host system is mounting its / partition (and moving files around and stuff)?
17:23<valdyn>bluenemo: depends on what you define as "disturbed"
17:23<bluenemo>will it make the system unstable in any way or damage the ext4 fs?
17:24<valdyn>bluenemo: should break the fs
17:25<valdyn>bluenemo: deleted files might respawn at least
17:25<valdyn>bluenemo: or deleted files might respawn with different data in them
17:25<valdyn>bluenemo: dont do this
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17:42<newb12466343>Hi guys, need help with scponly chroot on Debian squeeze x64. I have a user like this "scponly:x:1002:1003::/home/scponly//incoming:/usr/sbin/scponlyc" and when Im trying to connect with "sftp scponly@remotehost" I got "Couldn't read packet: Connection reset by peer". Any ideas on how to get it works?
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17:46<scraze>newb12466343: as valdyn said, that seems like an error on the TCP/IP level, i.e. a problem with connecting to the ftp server (before user & pass data are needed)
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17:46<newb12466343>it works fin
17:47<newb12466343>sftp works fine with other users
17:48<scraze>newb12463343: ok, so the error also occurs after user & pass .. well, is scponly configured to use the SUID root option - is there really a /usr/sbin/scponlyc ?
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17:49<Bushmills>look at this path: "home/scponly//incoming"
17:49<newb12466343>scraze: yes, there is
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17:50<newb12466343>Bushmills: it's a subbdir, takes from the scponly FAQ, anyway it doesnt work with /home/scponly as well
17:51<Bushmills>look closer
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17:53<scraze>newb12466343: do you have the same problem when using scp instead of sftp ?
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18:02<newb12466343>Bushmills: i see the double /
18:03<newb12466343>scraze: same problem
18:03<newb12466343>scraze: scp and sftp works fine with other users
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18:04<newb12466343>but not with scponly
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18:07<scraze>newb1246634: yes, http://www.bramschoenmakers.nl/en/node/752 made me think it could be an error that occurred only with scponly and would break protocol, but that would only be for sftp & only if /etc/scponly/debuglevel is > 0
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18:11<scraze>newb1246634: if your debuglevel = 0 you might want to try setting it to a higher value, the logs may be more specific then
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18:40<wald0>what's the easy/good way to install nvidia drivers in debian ? is there a package that automatically compiles it ?
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18:43<sney->wald0: nvidia-kernel-dkms
18:43<sney->wald0: just make sure you also install your kernel headers
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18:44<sney->wald0: if you have a new gpu, you'll have to wait a little while; there's a backport coming of the 280 driver but it'll probably be about 2wks
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18:45<wald0>not *very* new, it has at least 1 year ago
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18:49<wald0>let me try, brb
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19:00<wald0>sney-, what's the difference between -dkms and -source ?
19:00<scraze>followup on the badblocks taking 70+ hours for 1TB: hdparm -I shows this: R/W multiple sector transfer: Max = 16 Current = 0 .. hdparm -m says multcount is mostly for older IDE drivers, am I not to trust the Max = 16 part or is multcount not the same as R/W multiple sector transfer?
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19:01<sney->wald0: dkms rebuilds the module automatically on kernel upgrades. the driver they build is the same though
19:01<wald0>when i do: "modprobe nvidia" it shows an error saying "no such device"
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19:01<scraze>wald0: are you sure you have an nvidia card :P?
19:02<wald0>scraze, of course :)
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19:03<wald0>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 0de1 (rev a1)
19:03<wald0>model gt 430, more exactly
19:03<scraze>wald0: could you do that grep again but with lspci -nn ?
19:04<wald0>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:0de1] (rev a1)
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19:06<newb>people, I have a fix from nvidia channel to try forbid dri and dri2 to load, but I don't know how do this. My xorg.conf do not have this entries, and the xorg mn pages told me it's unloaded by default
19:06<newb>Here I have a paste from Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/143352/
19:08<sney->wald0: you must need the newer driver
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19:14<wald0>i installed it from testing, should be from unstable then ?
19:14<wald0>btw, how to know the driver version for each card ?
19:15<scraze>heh, just wanted to ask sney the same
19:15<scraze>are you on squeeze?
19:16<wald0>yes
19:17<wald0>mmh, i just installed it from unstable and still having the modprobe error
19:19<scraze>wald0: so thats the 280.13.really.275.36-1 version.. hmm
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19:20<scraze>wald0: could you pastebin dmesg | grep -i nvidia
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19:22<wald0>dmesg[ 1561.107573] NVRM: nvidiafb, or rivatv was loaded and obtained ownership of the NVIDIA device(s).
19:23<wald0>i have see a nvidia file in /etc/modprobe.d/, maybe i need to reboot to see if "nouveau" module is not loaded and see if nvidia,ko loads ?
19:23<scraze>wald0: well that's not right. I'm not sure whether those would conflict with nvidia but you're not planning to use them anyway
19:24<wald0>let's reboot and see if i can load it without them
19:24<wald0>brb
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19:24<scraze>wald0: lets see first what modules have loaded: lsmod | egrep '(nouveau|nvidia)'
19:24<scraze>crud.
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19:26<jim>boa noite ..
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19:44<wald0>well, by rebooting i can now load the nvidia module... but seems like i still need a newer version than in testing, so im trying with unstable
19:44<wald0>what i dont know is how much relevant will be to still in squeeze for main system...
19:44<wald0>is really testing that full of annoying bugs _
19:44<wald0>?
19:45<scraze>wald0: depends what you're using the system for, if its in a production environment then stable is the way to go
19:46<scraze>testing is a lot more stable and usable than unstable / experimental
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19:47<scraze>but either way, for getting your nvidia card to work it is not that important, you can pin packages from testing / unstable / experimental so that you keep using them through updates & upgrades
19:47<wald0>not really for production, im installing it for a friend, not very familiar with linux but well, i just want that he don-t turn in a lot of troubles if i switch to testing :)
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19:48<wald0>now i need to try the version from experimental, seems like not sufficient... how i can say to apt-get install to use the experimental branch ?
19:48<scraze>hmm, that's a tricky one - I use testing for my own systems and have no trouble, but that's no guarantee that problems will never arise
19:49<scraze>wald0: the most reliable way imo is to use pinning
19:49<scraze>!pinning
19:49<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
19:49<wald0>well, 1 problem is ok, 2 and 3 should be... but 5, 10, 15 problems... should be not nice
19:50<scraze>hrm, this should be more informative:
19:50<scraze>!default release
19:50<dpkg>Put APT::Default-Release "foo"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf (create if needed) and replace foo with squeeze, wheezy, sid or experimental. That will make foo the standard release that packages will be fetched from. Also ask me about <tum> and see Debian bug #97564 if you are using a release earlier than squeeze.
19:51<wald0>mmh, actually i only need to install some packages from experimental *nvidia ones*
19:51<scraze>by the way, if the nvidia module loads, is there still a problem?
19:51<wald0>yes, seems like my card requires newer drivers
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19:53<saulo>I have a server running firebird, but my system goes to 100% of HD and processor use in a database and firebird is in a loop, somebody can help me to discover what file uses 30GB of HD?
19:53<saulo>I know it's not on /tmp
19:54<scraze>yep, see the url http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences for good instructions on how to get those packages in a clean way (in short, 1. set default release (squeeze) in apt.conf 2. add experimental sources in sources.list 3. add file in preferences.d pinning nvidia packages to experimental 4. apt-get update && apt-get install the nvidia packages
19:54<scraze>^- to waldo
19:55<wald0>mmh, let me see if i can reach the graphical system
19:56<saulo>ooops, found! it's the log on /var... :S
19:56<wald0>saulo: what thing has grow your logs that much ?
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19:59<saulo>wald0: Tons of "Page xxxxxx doubly allocated"! oO' And now, how I will solve this :_(
20:00<scraze>saulo: too late but still: find / -size +1M would find all files on the system larger than 1 megabyte (append 2>/dev/null to strip stderr)
20:01<wald0>saulo: what-s the name of the file ?
20:01<saulo>scraze: This will help a lot next time! :D thanks!
20:01<saulo>wald0: /var/log/firebird.log .... I will try run a script to recover the database now :(
20:02<scraze>saulo: see the paragraph "Lack of disk space for the database" on http://www.ib-aid.com/articles/item70
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20:02<scraze>wald0: having any luck with the pinning?
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20:04<wald0>scraze: i have not setup it yet, i would like to make a further look later but i dont want to enable it permanently, just wanting to install it now on this system
20:04<wald0>so simply download them from experimental and see if they works
20:04<chris__>I just installed debian for the first time (wheezy), and now I'm trying to install the Pan newsreader through the software center. But there isn't a download button - only a "use this source" button which turns gray for a while but doesn't seem to actually do anything. What should I do?
20:04<Blackout__>Anyone have a magic DD command to replace the contents of a file with random contents?
20:04<Blackout__>for i in `ls | xargs`; do echo $i....; dd if=/dev/random of=$i bs=$(stat -c %s $i) count=1 conv=notrunc; done # fails on large files
20:04<Blackout__>'bs' doesnt accept longs, even when i tweak it to use M / K, it doesnt do a lot
20:04<Blackout__>56 bytes (56 B) copied, 149.599 s, 0.0 kB/s
20:04-!-Blackout__ was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
20:05<scraze>wald0: in that case make sure to tell apt to hold the packages after installing, otherwise if your friend decides to do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade (via synaptic or something) then the nvidia packages will be downloaded from squeeze again
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20:06<wald0>yep, thx
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20:07<scraze>chris__: where is this "Software Center" ?
20:07<wald0>how to load specific keymap in console ? :/
20:08<chris__>scraze: System -> Administration -> Software Center
20:08<scraze>chris__: it's not called Synaptic Package Manager?
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20:09<cmr_>Black_Prince: shred
20:09<chris__>scraze: I have that one too.
20:09<xnet>hello all
20:09<scraze>chris__: perhaps try that one :)?
20:09<cmr_>Black_Prince: Mistype, sorry.
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20:10<wald0>loadkbmap... something like that
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20:11<chris__>scraze: Looking through the packages, but I don't see Pan anywhere.
20:11<scraze>wald0: literally pasting your question in google yields loadkeys :}
20:12<scraze>chris__: the package is just called "pan"
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20:13<chris__>scraze: I'm not seeing it. sudo apt-get install pan gives "Unable to locate package pan"
20:13<scraze>Blackout__: cmr suggests shred
20:13<Blackout__>thank you scraze
20:13<cmr_>scraze: Thanks for catching him for me.
20:14<scraze>chris__: that's strange, it's in the wheezy repository .. have you run apt-get update ?
20:15<wald0>mmh, i dont found where are those keymaps...
20:15<chris__>scraze: Yeah, and I just did it again, but the package still isn't found.
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20:17<gsimmons>scraze: No, pan currently isn't in testing.
20:17<scraze>chris__: is your mirror correctly configured? i.e., does your /etc/apt/sources.list contain valid lines for wheezy ?
20:17<gsimmons>dpkg: dbugs 549056
20:17<dpkg>#549056:S[src:pan] pan: Still uses gmime2.2 (upstream sid wheezy fixed-upstream); Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:03:23 UTC [629775]
20:17<saulo>scraze: Ty for help, the restore procedure is working
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20:20<scraze>gsimmons: thanks
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20:20<chris__>Oh! Well, that explains it then. I guess I have to find an alternative.
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20:21<scraze>chris__: gsimmons is right, the package pan actually isn't in the wheezy / testing repository .. apologies, i'm running wheezy myself but had squeeze in /etc/apt/sources.list
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20:23<chris__>scraze: Is it possible for me to install it from a squeeze repository? I jumped straight to wheezy because squeeze's support for my video card was iffy.
20:24<scraze>chris__: i'm not sure how serious of a problem it is that it still uses gmime2.2 .. you could certainly install it from a squeeze repo, it might not work properly though
20:26<chris__>scraze: I'm willing to give it a shot. Do I have to add a repo to /etc/apt/sources.list manually?
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20:27<wald0>ok, im going to switch to testing instead of squeeze... what is best option ? only a repository of testing or both testing and squeeze ?
20:27<scraze>chris__: yes, for starters add the squeeze repo, then set your default release in /etc/apt/apt.conf, then add a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d to pin pan, then apt-get update && apt-get install pan
20:27<scraze>!pinning
20:27<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
20:28<wald0>so, sometimes there-s not packages available in testing and they are in squeeze
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20:28<wald0>scraze: i want to switch entirely to testing, everything more updated than in squeeze
20:28<scraze>chris__: or if you want to skip the pinning, after adding to sources.list do apt-get update && apt-get -t squeeze install pan
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20:28<wald0>ah, its not for me :)
20:29<scraze>wald0: then come to #debian-next :}
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20:29<scraze>that reminds me.. chris__, you're on wheezy too, you should be in #debian-next as well :p my bad
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20:53<cg>Hello, anyone knows a good wiki to install debian from a flashcard?
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21:01<amitz>google "install debian from unix". it's a chapter of debian installation documentation.
21:01<amitz>basically using debootstrap.
21:02<amitz>assuming your flash card has debian installed.
21:05<amitz>there may be instruction about putting a certain iso file and uses certain initrd and that one other file. (another way)
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21:07<sney>cg: if your bios can boot from it, you can also write the netinst iso directly to the card (using dd or cat) and install that way
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21:11<cg>thanks for the heads up sney, I'm trying this one: http://linux.simple.be/debian/usb
21:11<sney>that is outdated
21:11<zus>can anyone tell me which cd to download for wireless drivers? i only have cd 1,
21:11<sney>zus: most wifi drivers are in the kernel, what wifi card do you need?
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21:12<zus>sney, Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection
21:12<sney>cg: that *might* work but why go to the effort when you can just cat debian-netinst.iso > /dev/sdX
21:13<sney>zus: that needs non-free firmware which is not included in the standard cd set.
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21:13<zus>i see.
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21:13<sney>zus: you can download the firmware from packages.debian.org (package name firmware-iwlwifi) and there's also a semi-official installer that includes it
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21:13<sney>!firmware image
21:13<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse
21:14<dylan>hola
21:14<cmr_>!debian-es
21:14<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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21:14<zus>i want to try my hand at my own distro based on debian... i was pointed to cd 1... but i have no access to "plug ethernet" in
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21:15<zus>i was thinking unless im wrong in grabing my drivers and installing my self and pull the rest off wifi.
21:15<bones_was_here>lols
21:15<sney>zus: okay, so do one of the 2 things I just told you ...
21:15<bones_was_here>i sure would hope anyone building a distro has proper equipment for testing and such, including of course cabled networking
21:16<sney>bones_was_here: eh, let him give up on his own
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21:18<rjsalts>Why am I getting a lot of "X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication." when using ssh. I can open remote X apps even so
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21:20<zus>:) well. my apartment i can only access wifi....the option to plug in would require visiting the family.... but then thats information that wasnt revalent to my question at first
21:21<cg>sney i tried the boot usb wiki but somehow I messed it up and it didn't boot from usb, now copying the amd64 iso. thanks
21:21<zus>but i AM new to this and i figured one has to start somewhere...thanks for the link i ll look over this now...sney.
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21:22<bones_was_here>zus: you'll need a fair amount more resources than 1 laptop and a wifi connection to build and support a distro of any quality...
21:24<bones_was_here>unless you're not looking to significantly change the distro, in which case a package selection script might bemore what you're looking to build
21:24<sney>or a blend yeah
21:24<wald0>how to configure keymap layout in console ?
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21:26<jerryclunsford>I am trying to install squeeze on a emachine e545 250 gb hard drive it continues fot fail to insatall the base system.
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21:26<jerryclunsford>c fot/to
21:26<zus>i thought as much, but if i can just get one iso i can run on one partition for myself then i can look beyond that...
21:27<jerryclunsford>that should be e525
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21:30<jerryclunsford>is there anything I can do to get more information so someone can help me?
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21:31<zus>well if anytihing its a learnign expirience and im only doing this for my self, and nothing long term...but i got to run ill continue to read on this
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21:32<zus>thanks again guys..
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21:32<cg>sney, it gave me a "boot error"
21:33<cg>the problem is I had managed to do it before but I don't remember how...
21:33<jerryclunsford>Is there better channel to get help with this on?
21:34<scraze>jerryclunsford: does the installer provide an error message? if not, there's a syslog running on tty4, press Alt-F4 to view it (Alt-F1 to get back to installer) - does it say anything specific?
21:34<sney>cg: hmm, did you sync after copying the iso?
21:34<cg>sync?
21:35<cg>gimme the command please
21:35<sney>yeah, sorry, I should have mentioned it
21:35<sney>it flushes the write buffers to disk. that's the command - 'sync'
21:35<jerryclunsford>I'll try the installer and see what the output is I didn' know how to access it before
21:38<cg>well, thanks sney, I'll try again tomorrow with a netinstall iso... I'm probably messing the filesystem or files...
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21:41<cg>sney one last question, is this article ok: http://wiki.linuxwall.info/doku.php/en:ressources:astuces:netinstall_usb
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21:43<sney>cg: again, it *might* work but it looks like it was written for Lenny, aka Debian 5... you're trying to install Squeeze / 6.
21:44<cg>ok, what do you suggest?
21:44<sney>got a pen?
21:44<cg>yep
21:44<sney>write this down: cat debian-netinstall.iso > /dev/sdX;sync
21:45<cg>what about the usb's filesystem?
21:45<sney>that's your whole howto, where debian-netinstall.iso is the full file name of the netinstall iso, and /dev/sdX is the name of your flash device
21:45<sney>the iso contains a filesystem. it writes all of the data directly to the usb device.
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21:46<cg>ok, will try that
21:49<cg>i'm getting older and senile sorry
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21:50<cg>I grabbed an iso from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/
21:50<wald0>no way to make nvidia working, I rebuilded the package from experimental in order to install it cleanly in my testing, but it now can't launch the grpahical system
21:50<sney>cg: the testing installer is a little wonky but should still essentially work
21:50<wald0>[ 8406.286] (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
21:50<sney>wald0: can you pastebin all of the X log?
21:53<cg>sney no worries I was using wheezy before
21:53<cg>wald0, I had to blacklist nouveau to make nvidia's proprietary module to work
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21:54<cg>its' all in the nvidia wiki
21:54<wald0>aaaah! finally... i have needed nvidia-xconfig that creates a new xorg.conf file
21:55<wald0>cg: unfortunately i was out of X all this time.. i think that now is ok :)
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21:57<jerryclunsford>scraze: Well I'll be it went through with the base system install this time I've tried 64bit and 32bit both several times and both always failed there the 32 bit made it through that time
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21:58<scraze>jerryclunsford: so it just needed a little love eh .. it may be prudent though to do a system healthcheck, I had a case in which bad RAM caused installs to fail
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21:59<jerryclunsford>I didn't do anything different this time except that I didn't put in the host name, passwords etc that I wanted just put something short in.
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22:00<cg>!beer sney
22:00*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for sney
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22:00<jerryclunsford>I will run a memory test and probably scan the hard drive
22:00<cg>thanks sney
22:01<sney>worked?
22:01<cg>yeah
22:01<sney>!congratulate cg
22:01<dpkg>Nice one cg, you did it!
22:02<jerryclunsford>scraze: bad blocks on the hard drive cause the same problem?
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22:03<scraze>jerryclunsford: not completely sure but I think it's a distinct possibility, if read/write attempts keep failing the installer will abort at some point
22:03<jerryclunsford>just bought a "new" one thought maybe it had some problems.
22:04<jerryclunsford>scraze: Thanks for the input
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22:04<scraze>np, here's hoping it isn't a hardware problem!
22:04<cg>jerryclunsford, I only do expert installs to pinpoint problems, maybe it will help you too
22:06<jerryclunsford>cg: When I know enough I will try it again on expert mode tried it last night didn't help but might just be me.
22:08<jerryclunsford>Now just wait for the files to download and see if it makes it through. there is one thing I did differently I was thinking the whole time it's not going to work.
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22:08<cg>jerryclunsford, do you remember any error messages?
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22:10<jerryclunsford>just base system failed to install. Couldn't find out how to access tty4 online and no one was helpful in here last night.
22:10<jerryclunsford>I remembered the F4 but not the alt
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22:11<cg>hopefully your hard drives are ok... if you have backed up everything try formating the drives
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22:13<jerryclunsford>I was getting too tired I guess up about 30 hrs. getting to old for that the computer was blank my sister game it to me here daughter killed the usb ports
22:13<jerryclunsford>and the hard drive died
22:13<cg>tell me about it, I totally messed up my desktop trying to downgrade to squeeze
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22:14<jerryclunsford>Tom petty was right the waiting is the hardest part 50 mins of download left
22:14<cg>try to document every step, if it's not the drives it might be a faulty iso...
22:15<cg>well, I luckily managed to finish one of my songs...
22:15<jerryclunsford>I used the 64 bit on another computer before it wouldn't workon this one but then the one I used it on was a hp server
22:16<scraze>jerryclunsford: to be retroactively helpful, if mkfs is slow because of bad blocks then there will be messages in /var/log/syslog and/or /var/log/messages (and possibly on tty4 when using the installer)
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22:17<jerryclunsford>Thank you all I will go and get something to eat while it downloads scraze I will remember that.
22:18<jerryclunsford>take it easy all
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22:19<cg>generic or targeted initrd?
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22:25<cg>well, install is doing fine, thanks again people and goodnight
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23:11<jerryclunsford>scraze: Installation failed on select and install software
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23:13<ff0000_it>hi all, i just installed "squeeze" and i've a problem during the poweroff/reboot step: it can't unmount /var (which is a lvm logical volume), any hints?
23:13<scraze>jerryclunsford: ouch .. that's after rebooting right? what does tty4 say?
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23:14<jerryclunsford>no reboot tty4 says menu item 'pkgsel' failed
23:14<jerryclunsford>configuring pkgsel failed with error code 1
23:16<scraze>you're using the most recent official squeeze iso right?
23:16<jerryclunsford>Downloaded yesterday
23:17<scraze>then I really can't think of anything but a hardware problem .. semi-random points of failure in a widely and thoroughly tested install process cast a dark feeling :/
23:20<scraze>i believe the installer runs a checksum on the iso before starting, but if that's more of a fingerprint than a complete checksum then conceivably the disk you're installing from could be faulty
23:20<jerryclunsford>there where several instances before that of can't remove '/target/usr//bin/scrollkeeper-update same except -rebuild and one fro /target/usr/bin/fc-cache :read-only file system
23:21<jerryclunsford>I could try the amd64 disk I used on my server
23:22<scraze>if it's still on, try mount | grep target -> that should show a line like "/dev/sda1 on /target/ type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro,commit=0)" , the last error about "read-only file system" suggests that your line shows ro instead of rw
23:23<jerryclunsford>this laptop will go both ways 32 or 64 I downloaded the 32 after the 54 didn't work first
23:23<gdb>it suggests to me that errors were encountered so it remounted it ro (the errors=remount-ro)
23:23<scraze>gdb: exactly, i phrased it badly & incompletely
23:23<gdb>oh no worries :-)
23:23<scraze>:)
23:24<gdb>i had a devil of a time getting squeeze installed on my server... 5 years old, cdrom going out. i finally resorted to netinst and had to hit "retry" about 30 times when it was trying to read the installer off the disc
23:25<jerryclunsford>ok
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23:29<jerryclunsford> target type ext3 (ro,relatime,errors=remount-ro.data=ordered) type tmpfs (rw,relatime,mode=755) typeproc (rw,relatime) type sysfs (rw,relatime) type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,gid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000)
23:30<scraze>as we feared, it's remounted as read-only (that's the ro)
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23:30<jerryclunsford>so If I semi-understand this hard drive read errors
23:31<scraze>I think it's remounted read-only for both read/write errors
23:31<jerryclunsford>So it could be memory problem?
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23:32<scraze>there should be details in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages, search for the name of the disk ( I guess /dev/sda but your paste doesn't show )
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23:32<jerryclunsford>sda2
23:33<scraze>in fact, drop the /dev/ - just look for sda2
23:33<scraze>drop the 2 as well! just sda
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23:33<scraze>those would be errors about reading/writing sectors, ie badblocks - those are regarded as messages about the disk, not about a partition. hence just look for sda
23:34<jerryclunsford>could just type in ls on the tty?
23:34<jerryclunsford>but there isn't a text editor available is there?
23:34<scraze>ooh.. there is nano I believe
23:35<jerryclunsford>nano syslog?
23:35<scraze>didn't quite understand what you mean by 'could just type in ls on the tty'
23:35<scraze>nano /var/log/syslog
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23:36<jerryclunsford>already in /var/log
23:36<scraze>alternatively you could do grep sda /var/log/syslog but that might produce a lot of output
23:36<scraze>then nano syslog is fine :}
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23:44<gdb>you may need to be root to read syslog IIRC
23:44<ghost>c cool linux
23:44<scraze>don't tty[23] of the installer give a root shell by default?
23:45<gdb>I can't remember -- one is like a running log, another is a shell
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23:45<scraze>i thought tty4 was the log
23:45<ghost>dommage ya pas de meuf
23:45<scraze>!fr
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23:45<gdb>Installing is one of those things where I click "Go" and then ignore it for 15 minutes. :-(
23:45<gdb>hehe
23:45<ghost>hhh
23:46<jerryclunsford>scraze: the first I see for sda is unhandled sense code? then there is a result line hostbyte=DID_ok driverbyte=DRIVER_$
23:46<gdb>do you have the code?
23:47<gdb>the hex codes?
23:47<gdb>you can look up online what it means (i've had to do this recently)
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23:47<gdb>should be an ASC and ASCQ number, perhaps in syslog
23:49<jerryclunsford>then Sense Key :Medium Error [current] [descri$ discriptor sense data with sens descriptors (in hex):
23:50<scraze>jerryclunsford: that's a hd error indeed .. also check for lines starting with "end_request: I/O error"
23:51<jerryclunsford>sector 1199936193 ata1: EH complete
23:52<jerryclunsford>the ata1: EH complete probaly doesn't go with it
23:52<jerryclunsford>Know a good fast disk scanner
23:53<gdb>jerryclunsford: is this is upgraded system?
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23:53<gdb>or a new install?
23:53<scraze>hrm, well I don't know of any shortcuts - if you want to be sure you'll have to scan the entire disk, apps do that as fast as the kernel & system allow them to
23:53<gdb>and is this a dell inspiron?
23:54<jerryclunsford>New install drive is supposed to be new only used to test the computer is an emachines e525
23:55<gdb>which fs?
23:55<jerryclunsford>ext3
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23:56<gdb>http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/wtf-ata1-eh-complete-and-root-partition-re-mount-845304/ -- this does not directly address your issue, but indicates that this may not be a hardware issue but a driver or udev issue
23:56<gdb>yes, that's slackware, but linux is linux, eh? ;-)
23:56<scraze>jerryclunsford: to see how many bad sectors the installer has encountered: egrep -o "sector [0-9]*" /var/log/syslog.1 | sort | uniq | wc -l
23:56<jerryclunsford>drive is 250 gb three patitions 10gb 180gb and 7gb
23:56<gdb>http://kerneltrap.org/node/7276 -- more info
23:57<gdb>"I'm experiencing similar problems and I've come to believe that it is a problem with the nForce-chipset. My mobo has an nForce 570-chipset though." -- does this machine have an nForce chipset?
23:57<scraze>gdb: just the EH complete isn't worrisome indeed, but that's also what happens after a read/write error
23:57<gdb>well, hell this page is from 2006 -- surely this would have been fixed by now...
23:58<scraze>the Sense Key : Medium Error is less arbitrary though
23:58<gdb>Yes
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23:58<jerryclunsford>got twelve there
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23:59<scraze>ok .. I think it's safe to say that the installer fails because it encounters too many bad sectors during read/write
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