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00:00<gdb>do you have the code?
00:00<gdb>the actual sense key code?
00:00<gdb>will start with a 3
00:00<gdb>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense_Key -- search for Medium Error on this page
00:00<jerryclunsford>Looks that way. Looks like I need to send the drive back
00:00<gdb>you'll see a list
00:01<gdb>Well, regardless -- even without digging deeper, the disk is having issues and if it's new, then yes, RMAing it seems appropriate
00:02<jerryclunsford>sense key there is no sense key number there is a Descriptor sense data with sense descriptors (in hex)
00:03<gdb>is that pasted? there's no hex code?
00:03<scraze>the hex is the number :]
00:03<scraze>gdb: right :o?
00:03<gdb>Yes :-)
00:04<jerryclunsford>no I just didn't put the hex in it is just 40 numbers
00:04<gdb>40 numbers? hrm that's not a sense key code then
00:04<gdb>that sounds like a uuid
00:04<jerryclunsford>it says sense descriptors
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00:05<scraze>oh wait, in that case the key is in translated form a few lines lower
00:06<jerryclunsford>72 03 11 04 00 00 00 0c 00 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 00 07 26 14 c1
00:06<scraze>like this: " sd 3:0:0:0: [sda] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed"
00:06<gdb>jerryclunsford: Medium Error - unrecovered read error - auto re-alloc failed
00:06<gdb>that's the issue
00:06<gdb>the 03 11 04 is the relevent part of that string
00:06<scraze>what a coincidence.
00:07<gdb>ah lol
00:07*scraze learns
00:08<scraze>so that's when the disk tries to assign a special sector to replace the bad sector with, but fails in doing so - because there are no more special sectors left for instance - right ?
00:08<gdb>Honestly, I'm not sure, since you can't realloc a read error (that I know of) you can only realloc write errors.
00:09<gdb>"Oh, I can't write here, so I'll mark that bad and write over here instead."
00:09<scraze>jerryclunsford: you could boot the system with a livedisk and use smartctl from the smartmontools package to get more detailed information about what's wrong with the disk (a count of uncorrectable sectors for instance)
00:10<scraze>i thought that the disk just retries a couple of times to read out the sector, if it succeeds one of the times then it reallocates
00:10<scraze>for read errors
00:10<gdb>ah so it's got a read error, and kept trying to read so it could move the data and never met with success
00:10<scraze>'one of the times' .. that would be the last time :]
00:10<scraze>yes, that's what I think
00:10<jerryclunsford>Ok will do that only have days to tell that it is bad I have used 3 on trying to get it to work
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00:11<scraze>which could aso mean that the disk now has the sector marked as bad, and on another install attempt it won't make use of it .. but still RMA is the way to go :]
00:12<jerryclunsford>Hope they will give me another and not just refund it was only $31
00:12<jerryclunsford>Don't know if it was worth the savings though but I did learn something
00:12<gdb>Very good! :-D
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00:13<scraze>if they really won't refund it, you could still try to make use of it .. there are some ways to get around bad sectors, but I wouldn't store any important data on it that isn't backed up on a different medium
00:13<jerryclunsford>well off to download land to get the live cd don't have one yet
00:14<jerryclunsford>they will refund but I would rather have another 250gb for the $31
00:14<scraze>oh right, i misread there :}
00:16<jerryclunsford>scraze:Thanks for all of the help Don't know enough yet you really only learn about something when it breaks
00:16<gdb>ain't that the truth
00:16<jerryclunsford>Thanks gdb
00:16<scraze>yes, you grow closer in times of distress - even if 'the other' is a computer ;p
00:16<jerryclunsford>and it hates you
00:16<scraze>haha
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00:17<jerryclunsford>Well time to reboot it and get the live cd
00:17<metaspike>does anyone know a good way to monitor wifi signal strength from terminal in debian?
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00:18<jerryclunsford>take it easy
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00:21<gdb>It's not in debian's main repository but a brief look around Google seems to indicate that airmon-ng (formerly aircrack-ng) may be what you're looking for.
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00:22<scraze>metaspike: as root you could do watch -n 5 'iwconfig wlan0 2>/dev/null | grep "Quality"'
00:22<scraze>or use a normal solution like gdb suggests xD
00:22<gdb>er not formerly, part of
00:22<metaspike>both are good solutions, thanks :D
00:22<gdb>airmon is the console monitor, aircrack is the "break me into some wifiz"
00:23<DebianN00b>lol
00:23<DebianN00b>hacking wireless are we?
00:23<DebianN00b>should be in the repository
00:23<DebianN00b>good little app
00:24<gdb>aptitude search for airmon and aircrack didn't bring up anything for me in squeeze (with only main enabled, perhaps they are in contrib)
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00:24<DebianN00b>yeah you have to actually get the .deb
00:25<DebianN00b>http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/aircrack-ng/
00:25<DebianN00b>there you go
00:26<DebianN00b>download the one that suits your architecture
00:26<gdb>DebianN00b: is that from testing/unstable?
00:26<DebianN00b>you will also need a good wordlist
00:26<DebianN00b>its from google
00:26<DebianN00b>lol
00:26<gdb>haha
00:26<DebianN00b>some versions are better
00:26<DebianN00b>beta*
00:26<DebianN00b>typo
00:26<DebianN00b>lol
00:27<gdb>ah
00:27<gdb>it's in lenny and sid
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00:27<gdb>it's not in aqueeze lol
00:27<gdb>squeeze
00:27<DebianN00b>Official Debian archive: Current version in stable 1.0~rc1-2. Current version in testing/unstable 1.0~rc3-2.
00:27<gdb>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=aircrack-ng&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all <-- as indicated here
00:27<DebianN00b>yeah but it works on squeeze
00:27<DebianN00b>im running squeeze
00:27<metaspike>the reasoning is simple enough, i used wpa_supplicant to get the wifi working, i don't want dbus or anything "non-essential" and wish to determine wifi signal strength. i'll give watch a shot then get aircrack either way, because it's a leet lol.
00:28<cmr>iwlist.
00:28<cmr>Or what scraze suggested.
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00:29<DebianN00b>Current version in stable 1.0~rc1-2 works on squeeze
00:29<cmr>iwconfig and iwlist give different numbers for strength.
00:29<cmr>Might just be my hardware, no sure.
00:29<DebianN00b>download a good wordlist from piratebay or something, they normally have some massive ones, but they might need a bit of organization
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00:30<metaspike>the package i need is - iw
00:30<DebianN00b>iwconfig?
00:31<scraze>cmr: what option are you using for iwlist to get signal strength?
00:31<DebianN00b>that comes with slackware i think
00:31<cmr>scraze: Just looking in iwlist scan
00:31<scraze>oh, right :D
00:31<DebianN00b>but its in the repositories
00:32<DebianN00b>somewhere
00:32<DebianN00b>lol
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00:32<DebianN00b>is it possible to load the BT tools into debian?
00:32<gdb>wireless-tools is the package
00:32<gdb>according to apt-file
00:32<DebianN00b>apparently you can in ubuntu, but never seen it done in Debian
00:33<metaspike>ah of course, must get apt-file back.
00:33<cmr>afaik BT is more about configuration than software available in terms of what makes it unique.
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00:34<DebianN00b>its a hackers paradise
00:34-!-nadir [~m1arkust@g224159145.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
00:34<DebianN00b>when configured properly
00:35<bones_was_here>lol DebianN00b probably has no idea how many people come in here asking how to haxx wep pl0xx
00:35<bones_was_here>i expect like most debian based distros, bt's irc client defaults to debian irc
00:35<DebianN00b>im sure its a very common question
00:35<cmr>Hrm
00:35<cmr>http://www.damnvulnerablelinux.org/
00:35<bones_was_here>!bt
00:35<dpkg>it has been said that bt is Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>, or <bttv>.
00:36<bones_was_here>O.o somebody updated that
00:36<DebianN00b>hacking wep is fairly easy, its the most unstable wireless security lol
00:36<cmr>It's changed. Is DVL coming back?
00:37<DebianN00b>im only a DEBIAN n00b, not a penetration testing n00b
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00:38<DebianN00b>so, how do you hack WEP?
00:38<DebianN00b>LOL
00:38<gdb>haha
00:38<DebianN00b>messing around guys
00:39<gdb>it seems to me that debian users fall into roughly 2 camps
00:39<gdb>1. "If you want to play games, get a PlayStation. If you want to do work, get a Workstation."
00:40<gdb>2. "I heard debian is leet cuz it's made by 'hackers from all over the world'"
00:40<DebianN00b>both of those are good camps
00:40<DebianN00b>technically speaking every linux is made by hackers
00:40<DebianN00b>lol
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00:40<DebianN00b>Linux Mint is made by paid hackers
00:41<metaspike>get aircrack-ng, install it then man aircrack-ng for all the details :) i tried a couple things on my local network good fun, it's easier to crash a network then intercept readable packets though lol
00:41<DebianN00b>well Debian is a very good distro, for hacking aswell
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00:41<scraze>hacking != hacking
00:41<gdb>I've found Debian to be a great disto for absolutely everything that is not "running selinux"
00:41<DebianN00b>i spose it is l33t, i've got a shietload of tools on here
00:41<bones_was_here>i use debian for games, work and servers ^_^
00:41<DebianN00b>agreed
00:41<scraze>oh wow, dpkg knows about this
00:41<scraze>!hacking
00:41<dpkg>[hacking] a hacker doing his work. Playing with code or programs or technical devices and figuring things out to satisy curiousity, see <hacker>.... This is not cracking, see <cracking>
00:42<bones_was_here>i only really play quake games so its better than a playstation :)
00:42<DebianN00b>cracking is frowned upon by hackers
00:42<DebianN00b>they are 2 different things
00:42<DebianN00b>one is malicious, one isnt
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00:42<DebianN00b>but they are often confused
00:43<DebianN00b>its always HACKERS responsible for something bad, when actually its CRACKERS
00:43<DebianN00b>but the news twists it up
00:43<scraze>I got confused about your remarks about WEP / penetration, but you understand - yay.
00:43<gdb>I think in the mainstream media, there's no such thing as non-maliciously doing something clever with -- anything -- let alone a computer.
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00:43<bones_was_here>the mainstream media suck pretty much 24/7 so that's to be expected
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00:43<DebianN00b>again, agreed
00:43<metaspike>when you get down into the nitty gritties, assembly coding new software like drivers and graphics rendering methods that could be considered hacking even, it's just a matter of perspective eh
00:43<ajithkp560>hi
00:43<DebianN00b>you guys watching the Miss world thing?
00:44<ajithkp560>hello guys
00:44<DebianN00b>theres a chick on it that looks like that hot asian from Bones, a very good show
00:44<bones_was_here>im at work, back to scripting boring things fror me :p
00:44<DebianN00b>well, apprently its gone downhill a bit, but hey
00:44<ajithkp560>i'm new here
00:44<DebianN00b>The Wire, Oz & Sopranos were all great shows
00:44<DebianN00b>HBO has good shit
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00:45<DebianN00b>funnily enough im from Australia hahaha
00:45<bones_was_here>hai from qld
00:45<DebianN00b>qld, nice
00:45<ajithkp560>i'm from India
00:46<DebianN00b>i've never been there actually
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00:46<bones_was_here>if you do, dont bother with the beer (only the bogans drink XXXX)
00:47<DebianN00b>i've actually heard that
00:47<DebianN00b>and im not a Rum drinker either
00:47<metaspike>NZ, but what difference does it make, really? i might as well be from mars. *opens a can of beer XXXX*
00:47<DebianN00b>scotch for me
00:47<bones_was_here>ah, i used to be able to drink scotch
00:47<bones_was_here>i do still like rum
00:47<DebianN00b>Tooheys is a very good Aussie beer
00:48<DebianN00b>had a bad experience on it, now the smell of it makes me barf
00:48<DebianN00b>lol
00:48<DebianN00b>the rum, not Tooheys
00:48<DebianN00b>lol
00:48<bones_was_here>!beer DebianN00b
00:48*dpkg pours a pint of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for DebianN00b
00:48<bones_was_here>O.o
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00:49<bones_was_here>i think dpkg knows of more beers than me
00:49<DebianN00b>Dogfishhead?
00:49<bones_was_here>!beer DebianN00b
00:49*dpkg pulls out a tasty Dogfishhead 90min IPA for DebianN00b
00:49<cg>Hello again, trying to install nvidia legacy 173xx on amd64 anyone?
00:49<bones_was_here>hm its usually a different beer each time, but i guess this is kinda #offtopic
00:49<DebianN00b>got some Draught in the fridge, gone off beer lately though, good if you wanna budget when drinking, but my stomach cant handle it after a while
00:50<DebianN00b>especially mixed with a Jack N Coke
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00:50<DebianN00b>they dont get along
00:50<DebianN00b>lol
00:50<gdb>cg: I don't know about that one, sorry!
00:50<bones_was_here>hnng i dont drink jack unless theres nothing else to do :p
00:50<DebianN00b>hey cg
00:50<bones_was_here>cg: that should work?
00:50<DebianN00b>is it glitchy?
00:51<DebianN00b>happened to me
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00:51<DebianN00b>download the x drivers and it should sort it out
00:51<bones_was_here>ohh he's nearly got XXXX
00:51<DebianN00b>in the package manager, search nvidia
00:51<bones_was_here>!beer xxx
00:51*dpkg pours a litre of Piraat for xxx
00:51<DebianN00b>lol
00:51<DebianN00b>you guys ever had Hennesy?
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00:51<DebianN00b>Cognac
00:52<DebianN00b>very smooth
00:52<bones_was_here>once or twice
00:52<DebianN00b>after a Johnnie Walker green label it taste like lollywater though
00:52<DebianN00b>lol
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00:52<metaspike>ch: um, someone quote me on this but. sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx right?
00:52<DebianN00b>green label is good shit
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00:52<DebianN00b>sounds right
00:52<metaspike>cg: ^
00:52<DebianN00b>su it though
00:52<DebianN00b>then password and apt-get
00:53<DebianN00b>im a n00b, remember lol
00:53<DebianN00b>;)
00:53<gdb>Yes, you are.
00:53<cg>it says no candidate version...
00:53<gdb>Don't use apt-get ;-)
00:53<gdb>aptitude, the way of the future! ;-)
00:53<DebianN00b>ok, sorry fellas
00:53<gdb>lol
00:53<DebianN00b>indeed it is
00:53<gdb>you're fine :-) i'm just giving you a hard time
00:54<DebianN00b>lol, thanks man
00:54<cg>I tried the nvidia wiki but no go
00:54<cg>also blacklisted the nouveau drivers
00:54<metaspike>ee. no candidate version?! what version are you running
00:54<gdb>cg: do you have non-free enabled?
00:54<DebianN00b>good point
00:54<cg>gdb yes
00:54<DebianN00b>for nvidia drivers you should
00:54<cg>wheezy
00:54<DebianN00b>they are non free
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00:54<DebianN00b>wait, im a n00b
00:55<DebianN00b>lol, brb, smoke
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00:55<cg>I'll built it manually
00:55<scraze>cg: 173xx is in the squeeze & sid repo .. you'll need to do some apt stuff if you're not on squeeze or sid
00:56<cg>I'm running wheezy scraze
00:56<bones_was_here>i still use apt-get update (its error output is better than aptitude update)
00:56<gdb>yes, you may need to wait for it to propogate into wheezy (unless packages.debian.org doesn't show testing packages)
00:56<gdb>looks like it does
00:56<gdb>so it's not in wheezy yet
00:56<scraze>gdb: aptitude isn't the entire future, this is from the lenny->squeeze upgrade guide: "The recommended way to upgrade from previous Debian GNU/Linux releases is to use the package management tool apt-get. In previous releases, aptitude was recommended for this purpose, but recent versions of apt-get provide equivalent functionality and also have shown to more consistently give the desired upgrade results."
00:57<bones_was_here>wheezy probably has a version of xserver too new for nvidia legacy
00:57<bones_was_here>in stable it should work
00:57<scraze>cg: then you'll need to do some apt stuff :} at least I hope that will work, I'm not sure
00:57<scraze>cg: oh building manually should work
00:57<gdb>scraze: Oh! I didn't upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze... I was back to Fedora then. I did it from Etch to Lenny, though, and used aptitude. That's a good catch there, scraze.
00:58<gdb>scraze: Is this why Ubuntu removed aptitude from the default install, you think? apt-get is back to the recommended method?
00:59<sney>who knows why canonical does what they do
00:59<gdb>I don't use Ubuntu myself, but I've wondered about that decision.
00:59<scraze>it might be, but honestly don't know :}
00:59<gdb>:-)
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00:59<bones_was_here>wait they -removed- aptitude
00:59<metaspike>could back-ports be a solution?
00:59<bones_was_here>wow...
01:00<gdb>bones_was_here: From the default install, not from their repositories -- you can still install it using.... apt-get
01:00<bones_was_here>lol, talk about noobing it down
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01:01<gdb>I do like their app store and hope that's something we can eventually see in Debian but I'm not holding my breath since it's more of a service and less of "package manager."
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01:02<gdb>Software Center or whatever it's called.
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01:02<cmr>gdb: Ubuntu's?
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01:03<gdb>cmr: Yes
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01:03<cmr>A Software Center like that targets quite a different market than what I imagine debian does. Although, having a service like that where people can offer reviews, tips, and rate a package wouldn't be that bad.
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01:04<bones_was_here>i expect it would end up in non-free or contrib if it were added...
01:04<scraze>cmr: isn't GNU for "all the people" :P?
01:04<mosno>aren't there distro-agnostic websites for that?
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01:04<cmr>No idea, never looked into it.
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01:05<mosno>like ohloh or something
01:05<gdb>I think that's sort of the key issue with it, though. Ubuntu can provide that because Canonical provides infrastructure to support it. Debian doesn't have that sort of backend on which to provide a service like that (that I'm aware of).
01:05<mosno>but yeah an official place would be good
01:05<scraze>I might be reading into it (as in seeing subtext that isn't there) :]
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01:06<cmr>Never seen ohloh before but it looks to be about that.
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01:15<metaspike>industrial software infrastructure for the people: some kinda electronic love for humanities sake, sanities sake prehaps. at least with GNU we have the opportunity to move forward as a collective unit and make something of this technology we are gifted with.
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01:16*amitz giggles
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01:20<Megatron>can someone help me, my make command isnt working
01:20<Megatron>im trying to compile compat wireless drivers
01:20<amitz>be more specific.
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01:21<Megatron>ok well im trying to compile this version: compat-wireless-2.6.39-1
01:21<Megatron>when i type make i get a long error
01:22<metaspike>i'm assuming you have build-essential and the kernel headers?
01:22<gdb>and the build-deps for compat-wireless
01:22<Megatron>pmed it to ya
01:22<amitz>Megatron: for the love of ogd, use pastebin . and don't pm so much -_-
01:23<Megatron>yea i have that
01:23<Megatron>i uesd to install them just fine many times
01:23<gdb>While we may not have a solution for you collectively (and metaspike may regardles) you may want to use pastebin so we can all take a look and offer our insights. :-)
01:23<metaspike>i guess paste your error to pastebin.com and we can have a look.
01:23<Megatron>for some reason on this installation it isnt working
01:23<amitz>don't pm.
01:23<Megatron>havnt done anything different than usual
01:23<metaspike>fully, jinks on the pastebin remark.
01:24<gdb>Megatron: You might install the pastebinit package to facilitate getting text into pastebin more conveniently.
01:24<Megatron>ok
01:25<Megatron>http://pastebin.com/p1bBxd63
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01:28<Megatron>any ideas?
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01:30<gdb>I'm afraid I don't have any!
01:31<metaspike>*crunching*
01:32<cmr>Megatron: Looks something or things is being included twice... strange.
01:32<cmr>Megatron: Although from the names of things, the compat-wireless version is different from the kernel version; perhaps that is to blame?
01:33<Megatron>ive done it before though
01:33<gdb>oh nice catch
01:33<cmr>Any recent upgrades?
01:33<cmr>When did you do it last?
01:33<Megatron>this is pretty much a fresh install
01:33<Megatron>and ive done it on other fresh installs
01:33<Megatron>much the same way with no error
01:34<Megatron>i might have downloaded an untrusted pack that screwed something up
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01:34<mosno>i need a very power-efficient linux box as a personal server. any suggestions? i'm in australia
01:34<mosno>silent operation
01:35<amitz>mosno: asus 1215P
01:35<metaspike>Megatron: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download/stable/ - you can get the compat-wireless-2.6.32 module from here, that way the module will match your kernel
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01:38<amitz>mosno: oh, don't know about fanlessness.
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01:39<jm_>mosno: many useful reviews on http://www.silentpcreview.com/
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01:39<amitz>but there is an atom mb with nvidia ion2 from asus iirc, and 4 sata.
01:39<amitz>fanless.
01:39<mosno>amitz & jm_ thanks
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01:40<jm_>yeah last generation atoms are fanless - mine's like that and CPU temp is at about 35C (core is about 10C higher) in a mini-itx case with 8cm fan
01:40<amitz>powerful enough to run full hd, under linux.
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01:41<cmr>I cannot find the bugzilla3 package on sid, just updated. p.d.o shows it though. What could be wrong?
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01:42<jm_>cmr: http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bugzilla/news/20110823T092413Z.html
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01:44<metaspike>cmr: http://packages.debian.org/sid/bugzilla3 ?
01:44<cmr>jm_: It says unmaintained; Does it need a maintainer, or is that upstream?
01:44<cmr>metaspike: That's the one
01:45<metaspike>so it does, i thought software was immortal :p
01:46<jm_>cmr: looks like in debian -- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=638705
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01:48<cmr>Hm. I'd be willing to maintain it if anyone else is, that mailing says >= 2
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01:50<mosno>boy asus suck at English
01:51<mosno>"thoughtful" webcam. wtf?
01:51<mosno>and the specifications list doesn't actually mention any chip models
01:51<mosno>they might as well say Super Fun Fantastic CPU Stuffs!
01:52<metaspike>lol.
01:52<mosno>they might make great hardware but they really are idiots
01:52<mosno>a little polish and they would improve their image considerably, imho
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01:53<mosno>marketing fail.
01:53<amitz>mosno: i saw a site saying it runs under linux. the site basically list all atom boxes that run under linux.
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01:54<metaspike>let us know if you find something suitable, a fanless computer suitible for server applications is definately on my hitlist
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02:01<metaspike>if a prepackaged brand name deal doesn't present itself you could always build your own... if it's not a big server with alot of database functions and such you could use just about anything. asus eepc?
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02:09<amitz>eeepc have been satisfying for me.
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02:24<DebianN00b>hey guys
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02:26<metaspike>is there -any- disadvantage of using dbus for a high preformance workstation? im looking for a graphical irc client, and i cant find one that does not require dbus
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02:27<cmr>metaspike: Not to my knowledge.
02:28<Bushmills>metaspike: pidgin + libpurple don't require dbus
02:28<metaspike>it doesn't? that's beaut thanks Bushmills + cmr for ur considerations.
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02:29<Bushmills>as IRC client, it is a relatively minimal one. basic functionality only.
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02:42<EmleyMoor>Is there a good channel for problems with alsa?
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02:44<Bushmills>EmleyMoor: if problems with left channel, then there's a good right channel :)
02:45<EmleyMoor>Bushmills: My problem is with Line In <g>
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02:51<karl-augustt>my dpkg return an error code (1)
02:51<karl-augustt>just want to install an software
02:52<karl-augustt>and I can't because of that
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02:52<karl-augustt>do you think something about
02:53<EmleyMoor>karl-augustt: What exactly are you trying to do, and how? Also, please stop using the Enter key as punctuation
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02:56<karl-augustt>I just want to install a software
02:56<karl-augustt>his name is userful-multiplier
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02:57<EmleyMoor>That's not in Debian... where did you get it from?
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02:58<karl-augustt>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) , I get that in ubuntu
02:59<EmleyMoor>!ubuntu
02:59<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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03:00<karl-augustt>ok I understand
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03:01<karl-augustt>why change name
03:01<Avve>Hi everybody
03:01<EmleyMoor>karl-augustt: Sorry?
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03:06<karl-augustt>perhaps
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03:07<EmleyMoor>Perhaps... perhaps learning to ask intelligent questions in plain English would help you... though of course, Ubuntu is off-topic here
03:07<EmleyMoor>!tell karl-augustt about ask
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03:30<metaspike>karl-augustt: ' try sudo apt-get -f install ' on itself, this will either fix your system or break it- attempting to fix dpkg issues in the process. two things though, 1. don't take my word for it 2. you should direct ubuntu questions to the #ubuntu chatroom stated above next time. :)
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03:32<heffay>i downloaded firefox 7 from mozilla's website and it's not detecting the flashplugin-nonfree from the repos. i made a symlink from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins but it's still not working.
03:33<jm_>heffay: we don't support that here - why not use iceweasel 7 from mozilla.debian.net instead?
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03:33<heffay>oh! i didn't know there was such a thing
03:34<jm_>there are also beta and alpha releases available there
03:34<heffay>i love using squeeze but im at a loss for installing newer software. google has a nice binary of chrome that just works but I didn't know about Firefox
03:35<cmr>heffay: Is testing/unstable out of the question?
03:35<heffay>Do I need to add mozilla.debian.net to my sources?
03:35<heffay>I'd rather stick with stable.
03:35<jm_>go to mozilla.debian.net with your browser to see instructions
03:35<heffay>Alrighty, thanks!
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03:35<jm_>no worries
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03:36<heffay>are there other debian specific sites i should be aware of? for commonly used programs?
03:36<metaspike>heffay: you might be interested in backports also. backports.debian.org . i added their repo to install some newer stuff on squeeze, worked a treat
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03:36<jm_>heffay: /msg dpkg dmm
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03:49<heffay>will apt-cache search -v foo show me the versions of foo?
03:49<jm_>heffay: no, aptitude can do this
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03:51<wompa>heffay, chromium-browser also just works. :)
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03:52<heffay>i've been using chrome but google is just creeping me out lately
03:52<heffay>I actually think Chrome is better than FF at the moment
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03:53<cmr>They're about equal imo, with a little customization of firefox.
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03:54<heffay>Isn't Chrome better with threads and mulitprocessor though?
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03:55<cmr>No idea, since I have never used chrome on a smp system. I would assume they be about equal, I can't think of any reason they wouldn't be.
03:55<EmleyMoor>iceweasel is the more usable, as you can't easily obtain addons to work with chromium-browser
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03:55<metaspike>if you want to look at the underlying features you should really compare the rendering engines: webkit (chrome) to gecko (firefox)
03:56<wompa>heffay, if you are creeped out by Google, then using chromium-browser instead of chrome would be a little saner privacy-wise, I think.
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03:57<heffay>I was using Chromium 6 from the squeeze repository before. It's ancient though.
03:57<metaspike>which reminds me, i wonder how uzbl is coming along *installs uzbl*
03:58<cmr>Last I used it, it was pretty nice.
03:58<cmr>'nice' as much as something like uzbl can be, that is.
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03:58<cmr>I was surprised how much faster than chromium uzbl was.
03:59<wompa>heffay, I suppose you could activate backports repository and get a newer version of chromium-browser.
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04:00<metaspike>hv3 is good for kicks. anyone tried hv3? they could use some support.
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04:01<cmr>Is tkhtml any good as a rendering engine?
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04:02<wompa>metaspike, how do I go to an address in uzbl? :O
04:02<metaspike>its fast man, it has great potential. as it stands however, common features are lacking. javascript, flash, css3 etc.
04:03<heffay>i cant install iceweasel or ff. unmet dependencies
04:03<heffay>ugh
04:04<metaspike>i think it's like ctrl+g or something hold on >_<
04:04<FingerWizard>heffay: Really? I just dl the tar from the official site and toss it in my home folder.
04:04<jasonsmr>msg notr00t
04:04<wompa>Oh, I had to open uzbl-browser, and not "just" uzbl. :)
04:05<cmr>After realizing how great uzbl-type stuff was, I started using pentadactyl.
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04:05<heffay>FingerWizard: I did too and it worked but I couldn't get flash working. I came here and tried getting a newer version of Iceweasel from backports but there are unmet dependencies. Is your flash working in FF7?
04:06<metaspike>heffay: are you using 'apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' to get flashplayer?
04:06<kenyon>iceweasel 7 from mozilla.debian.net works fine on squeeze
04:06<jm_>heffay: you need both mozilla.debian.net and backports in sources.list
04:06<heffay>jm_: I had both repositories enabled and did an update first
04:07<heffay>it told me it could install iceweasel because of unmet dependencies
04:07<jm_>heffay: like said above, it works fine for many of us - put your errors on some pastebins ite
04:09<FingerWizard>heffay: just download flash and put it in the plugins folder.
04:09<heffay>FingerWizard: I did that
04:09<kenyon>or use flashplugin-nonfree if you want to use the package manager
04:11<metaspike>wompa: push 'o' then enter the url you want eg. 'www.happypenguin.org'
04:11<heffay>libnss3-1d is the problem
04:12<heffay>the version in squeeze is too old
04:12<wompa>metaspike, ok
04:12<heffay>Do I need to specify backports when I apt-get install?
04:13<jm_>heffay: it can find the right version on the backports site
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04:13<jm_>that depends on your apt config, but typically you do yes
04:13<Rehnquist>hi everyone
04:14<heffay>ah, i assumed it would pull the newer packages.
04:14<metaspike>i don't mean to sound fascicous but you might wanna read the info from the source before asking here. anyway ' aptitude -t squeeze-backports install "packagename" ' will install a package from the backports repo
04:14<metaspike>assuming you are using squeeze
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04:15<Rehnquist>i know this is not Debian related, but can someone please recommend a decent wireless PCI card? i currently have realtek 8185 and it's a nightmare...
04:15<metaspike>having added the backports repo to your sources.list naturally...
04:16<jm_>Rehnquist: maybe reading through this will help a bit http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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04:16<FingerWizard>Rehnquist: Or look through compat-wireless support
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04:16<heffay>the last time i ever used a backport was with etch and it would pull the newer package automatically
04:16<heffay>that's the problem. i assumed it was still the case now
04:17<heffay>uggggh
04:17<metaspike>they probably dropped that to give the user control, don't let it get to you :)
04:18<heffay>It's still breaking
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04:23<metaspike>heffay: sudo aptitude install iceweasel flashplugin-nonfree ? it should work? otherwise if your dpkg system is broken ' sudo apt-get -f install
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04:23<metaspike>but it shouldn't be... so... i give up. v_v
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04:23<heffay>metaspike: flash is already installed
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04:26<metaspike>meh, i have no idea what you've done but you can symbolically link the plugin to your browser (iceweasel/firefox?) like this. ' ln -s /usr/lib.flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins '
04:27<metaspike>ln -s /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins '
04:28<heffay>lol, i did that metaspike. still no dice
04:28<Papa>Hello
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04:30<metaspike>are u still tryin to use firefox 7
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04:31<heffay>No. Backports just fubar'd my install. I'm giving up and calling it a night and reinstalling tomorrow. Thanks though.
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04:33<themill>in what way?
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04:34<heffay>I don't know. I don't care. This is why I don't like using backports. Oh well.
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04:36<DzambazoT>hi all
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04:36<DzambazoT> someone ?
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04:36<DzambazoT>TO CHAT?
04:36<kmonk>sup ^_^
04:37<DzambazoT>koj znajs mak?
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04:37<DzambazoT>more kmonk?
04:37<ucenik03>zz
04:37<ucenik03>hi
04:37<DzambazoT>para pa guesi nukat a pozition porvoni ma von
04:38<wompa>DzambazoT, this is a support channel, not supposed to chat in here
04:38<ucenik03>wazzup
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04:40<kmonk>wompa, that's cold. real cold... v_v
04:40<DzambazoT>?
04:40<DzambazoT>wompa
04:41<themill>ucenik03, DzambazoT: please play elsewhere.
04:41<DzambazoT>wompa
04:41<DzambazoT>the mill
04:41<ucenik03>i dont doo evrything
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04:41<DzambazoT>mee 2
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04:43<wompa>kmonk, it's the truth and sometimes it may be cold and harsh but that doesn't make it less true
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05:09<madduck>does debian have a tool to print avery self-adhesive labels in bulk?
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05:11<themill>madduck: I assume libreoffice has such templates
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05:12<madduck>themill: it does, i'll try that; thanks!
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05:13<madduck>ah, i know. i am not looking for A4 templates, but the sheets I have are like 15cm by 10cm
05:13<madduck>my printer can print to them, i tried with inkscape
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05:15<nevyn>letter?
05:15<themill>madduck: lowriter has a pile of different page sizes in the templates. What actual label number are they?
05:16<babilen>meebey: http://www.ctan.org/search/?search=label&search_type=description might also come in handy. I haven't done that so I can't really give you a good suggestion though.
05:16<babilen>meebey: ENICK
05:16<babilen>madduck: ^^^^^^^
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05:17<Bushmills>madduck: a tad below 15 cm on a tad above 10 cm is A6 format
05:18<Bushmills>quarter A4
05:18<themill>If you've already got a template in svg, then you could just populate that ... lowriter also lets you define new labels formats pretty easily
05:20<madduck>themill: Avery Zweckform 3331
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05:21<madduck>I think the main problem I have is that the printer sucks the labels in centred, but I do not seem to be able to tell that to the tool so that it offsets accordingly
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05:21<themill>yeah, that exact label doesn't seem to be there. If it's just a little text substitution that you're doing, then editing svg with sed or perl or … isn't hard ;)
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05:23<madduck>also, there is a problem with the top border
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05:24<madduck>i suppose these labels are just not ideal for printing and I ought to look elsewhere
05:24<jm_>I used latex in the past for such tasks
05:25<madduck>i have the feeling for quick'n'dirty things, libreoffice might be better, as much as I love latex
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05:25<nevyn>unless you can download appropriate latex from the net
05:26<madduck>unless…
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05:28<nevyn>hrm libreoffice has avery templates apparently
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05:32<madduck>nevyn, jm_: you used labels.sty?
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05:33<nevyn>nope
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05:33<jm_>madduck: no, custom written stuff
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05:44<sklo>hello, how i can draw a circle or ellipse in mtPaint (what idiot did this i donno i cant figure it out)
05:44<sklo>tools are gray and i cant click on them
05:46<sklo>endless stupidity... i will go mad
05:48<sklo>i got it...
05:48<sklo>i cant belive it...
05:48<sklo>ty
05:49<petemc>np
05:50<sklo>loool
05:51<sklo>got to switch to win
05:52<cmr>sklo: as an aside, why mtpaint not gimp?
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05:54<kmonk>bye
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05:54<sklo>im writting something and i need some simple image - 3 ellipses and few arrows
05:54<sklo>i was always happy with ms paint for ALL my stuff
05:55<sklo>i thought mtPaint will be more less the same and simple
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05:58<marshcast>does anyone know if it's possible to limit the number of connections when using nautilus to ftp?
05:58<marshcast>I'm getting blocked for too many connections when copying files (306 files whilst copying drupal files accross to a test dir)
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05:59<marshcast>is this solvable? or should I use filzilla or similar
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06:02<sklo>tada! : http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/1471/korporacjeniem.png
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06:02<sklo>20 min ...
06:03<sklo>i got sensibile hand
06:03<sklo>:D
06:04*themill would use tikz for that sort of drawing
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06:04<wompa>marshcast, in the normal case there should only be two connections, one for file listing and one for data transfer
06:05<sklo>themill, will do next time, ty
06:07<marshcast>i'm getting banned for having 306+ when dragging/copying files into a child dir. I'm trying to copy the lot. am running squeeze - and am up to date....
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06:07<marshcast>both of which are on the server, wompa
06:08<wompa>marshcast, yes.
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06:12<marshcast>wompa, thanks - had same prob again though - have to use filezilla for large foo: -> foo: copying :( ---like natuilus, too :/
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06:18<wompa>marshcast, maybe nautilus would copy the files sequentially if you just copied the folder instead of copying 300 files
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06:22<marshcast>wompa... ahh... I got ya. is there an easy waycommand to look at how many connections are being opened? I can "man" it if you can pint me to a command...
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06:31<jm_>marshcast: if you mean sockets then netstat will show it
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06:32<marshcast>thanks jm_
06:33<marshcast>much appreciated jm_, wompa :D
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06:35<eshat>Wouldn't it make sence for aptitude to use default terminal background color, as any other program does (i.e. emacs) ?
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06:37<cmr>eshat: No, because then it can't assume that the colors it is chosing to display have any contrast at all with the background.
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06:37<eshat>cmr: works here, if it would also use default font color, set be the terminal
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06:38<eshat>What the... ?
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06:38<cmr>eshat: But it won't necesarily work everywhere.
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06:38<eshat>cmr: If any other ncurses programm can do it
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06:38<cmr>eshat: Say I have by default background the same color gray that is used to show a selected item.
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06:38<cmr>Any other ncurses program *can't* do it.
06:38<cmr>alsamixer does the same thing too.
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06:39<eshat>true
06:39<eshat>well, it's a small /etc/apt/apt.conf to set this, I was just wondering
06:39<cmr>It's simply the safest default.
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06:40<nardev>using debian, when i do useradd and i set pass with (useradd -pSOMETHING someUser) it doesn't hash it in shadow file and when i do su someUser i'm not able to change it's pass because it doen't pass "current pass" question with pass that i set as root
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06:41<cmr>nardev: You should be using adduser
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06:41<themill>nardev: you should read useradd's man page too
06:42<nardev>ok i'll cmr is there any explanation why? themill i did :( it doesn't help in this case ???
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06:43<themill>nardev: the help for -p explicitly says "The encrypted password, as returned by crypt(3)". i.e. it's supposed to already be hashed.
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06:43<nardev>themill, :$
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06:44<cmr>nardev: If you don't know how to do that, just add the user and use passwd afterwards.
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06:46<nardev>cmn, adduser was enough
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06:47<cmn>nardev: should that be cmr?
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06:59<nardev>cmn, yes
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07:22<zig>Hi... I have a questions about debian vesion... Testing vesions is rolling vesion? I ask becouse on mint's site is descriibe thah mint LDME jes rolling vesionad and based on testing repo of debian and its 100% complete with debian testing
07:23<zig>and ist rolling version
07:23<zig>so testing is rolling or not?
07:23<weasel>it gets update all the time
07:23<themill>depends on your definition of rolling
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07:24<zig>hmm my definition... : rolling is...: I never must reinstall OS becouse using update and upgrade always will have the newest system
07:24<zig>like arch
07:25<zig>not olny updates of programs... but the newest all system
07:25<zig>always
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07:25<wompa>zig, then I guess you should have the word "testing" in your sources.list instead of the codename "wheezy", because "wheezy" will become stable one day, then oldstable...
07:26<zig>wompa: so "testing" is tha same as " wheeze"?
07:26<wompa>zig, at the moment wheezy is the testing branch
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07:28<zig>wompa: so if I want to have rolling version like arch ...should put "testing" to my repo... update upgrade and thats all? and than only update and always will have the newest os?
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07:29<babilen>Even stable has the newest versions that are in stable and doesn't need to be reinstalled once a new stable release is made. But I guess that zig is interested in the newest versions that have been released by upstream and there is no Debian suite that automatically has those as new upstream versions need to be packaged. Testing is a compromise in that is contains new upstream versions that passed a few tests. (mainly based on bugs filed ...
07:29<babilen>... against the package) -- unstable/sid contains the newest versions of packages that have been uploaded to the Debian repository.
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07:30<zig>wompa: but in testing will dont have problems with upgrade for examply: " system have broken dependies and mus to remove some packages ( some = all kde), and after thah os can reinstall this envirnoment " like in sid?
07:30<debian_user>where i can download debian lenny? cdimage.debian.org don't work !
07:30<wompa>zig, I barely know anything about Arch, so can't make distinctions between the two methods.
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07:31<wompa>zig, it's called testing for a reason :)
07:31<babilen>!tell debian_user -about install lenny
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07:32<zig>wompa: for examply i like have the newest system and programs... but dont like reinstall system ofrhen like in ubuntu... 11.04, 11.10, 12.10 ...
07:32<zig>like have stable enviroment like kde 2 or xfce... and always have the newest kernel and programs
07:33<zig>without reinstall or download new cdimages
07:33<debian_user>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.9/ don't work
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07:34<Ganneff>cos that is down, the whole network there. patience you need for it to come back
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07:34<debian_user>no other source?
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07:34<wompa>zig, then testing might be for you, although I think the stable is more suitable for newbies
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07:35<zig>:)
07:36<wompa>zig, I guess you have to be a little more hands-on occassionally if you want the newest software
07:37<zig>womna: why you think that im newbie? obly becous i asked witch vesrion is really rolling ?:)
07:37<wompa>=)
07:37<babilen>zig: Please read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable as a lot of tips in there apply to both testing and unstable. I would very much recommend to run stable (i.e. squeeze) though and there are other ways to get new versions of selected packages.
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07:37<wompa>Actually, I didn't, I just mentioned it just in case
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07:39<zig>babilen: will read thanks... some times ago I have a problems with install wine... dont know why wine is not for debian in official site... but found repo for testing and add it on stable and wine is working:)
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07:39<debian_user>no other source to download debian lenny?
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07:59<ezioD>juas
07:59<ezioD>Hola¿?
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07:59<wompa>!es
07:59<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
08:00<ezioD>...
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08:01<Dennis>!nl
08:01<dpkg>Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
08:01<Dennis>Cool, however there is a spelling mistake in it.
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08:03<jm_>yeah it should say lullo can join ...
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08:09<DebianN00b>hey fellas
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08:18<abdulkarim>http://paste.debian.net/143489/ << getting this error during "apt-get upgrade"
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08:20<themill>abdulkarim: sounds a lot like a very unhappy filesystem
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08:35<abdulkarim>themill, anything i could do to repair it?
08:35<themill>an fsck would be the first thing to do
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08:42<zombie51>Hey its might not be a suitable channel for this kind of question but i will ask it anyway . . . I'm looking for Centralized Access software or also know as PUM (Privileged User Manager) i have found some but not free solutions. If anybody using such kinda software pleas let me know which one thanks
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08:47<abdulkarim>themill, >> http://paste.debian.net/143494/ || i've booted into Fedora to perform fsck
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09:03<abdulkarim>http://paste.debian.net/143489/ << getting this error during "apt-get upgrade"
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09:05<abdulkarim>fsck shows that the filesystem is clean
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09:15<abdulkarim>i am having serious issues with package management on my SID... unable to un/install any package :(
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09:16<Amarande>ok, these bits I'm reading about Sandy Bridge support being slowish on Linux ... that's for the integrated graphics, or the CPU itself as a whole?
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09:28<abdulkarim>http://paste.debian.net/143489/ << getting this error during "apt-get upgrade" || @HELP@
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09:33<alazare619>does anyone know how to export a gpg key?
09:33<shanks>alazare619: gpg --export ?
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09:35<AgentC>Hi
09:36<AgentC>is there anyone who could help me to setup a DVB videocard ?
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09:38<AgentC>!ping me
09:38*dpkg tolls a 5-meter-bell over agentc's head
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09:41<alazare619>ok so i added the ubuntuzilla to my sources but im trying to export its entire key so i can use it in live build but nothing seems to work
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09:41<themill>alazare619: umm... that doesn't sound like anything that's related to #debian (or anything you'd want to do to a debian box)
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09:41<alazare619>yes i run debian
09:41<alazare619>the name of the repo is missleading
09:42<alazare619>how would i just export this particular repo gpg key to a file
09:42<alazare619>ive looked into gpg --list-keys
09:42<shanks>alazare619: I told you a second ago it's gpg --export
09:42<alazare619>i dont see anything of use gpg --export is senseless symbolds
09:42<abdulkarim>http://paste.debian.net/143489/ << getting this error during "apt-get upgrade" || @HELP@
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09:43<shanks>alazare619: http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/x56.html#AEN64
09:43*themill somehow doubts that the name is misleading
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09:43<themill>dpkg: tell alazare619 about mozilla.debian.net
09:43<shanks>themill: I did think that myself
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09:44<ienasol>!list
09:44<dpkg>ienasol: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
09:45<alazare619>themill thanks for the repo but i dont use it as thunderbird isnt kept uptodate and other reasons
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09:45<shanks>alazare619: yes it is
09:46<themill>alazare619: icedove 5.0 is in that repo.
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09:46<alazare619>icedove is on v5 check out on the mozilla website
09:46<shanks>alazare619: Why do you need v7? Which feature do you need?
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09:47<alazare619>ok were getting off topic i just need to know how to export this one particular key idk if its private or not
09:47<themill>alazare619: you've got that answer. Please don't come back here for help when those packages break things badly.
09:47<alazare619>never have and never will
09:47<shanks>alazare619: you're heading for disaster.
09:47<alazare619>there the official mozilla binarys
09:48<alazare619>ok go figure i come for help and get disrespected some help debian channel is
09:49<themill>they are not the official mozilla binaries. If they were, you'd download them from mozilla's website.
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09:49<alazare619>they are
09:49<alazare619>there the official binarys packaged as a deb
09:49<alazare619>run each files sha vs the official tarballs
09:50<themill>there's more to a package that the checksum of the individual files. Good luck with that now.
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09:51<shanks>this is what Mozilla's crazy numbering has caused ;-)
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10:02<AgentC>is there anyone who could help me to setup a DVB videocard ?
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10:04<tale>AgentC: Most likely there is someone somewhere. If you need help on this channel, describe what you have done up to now to get it working and which card it is.
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10:05<AgentC>lspci shows following entry : 05:04.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7134/SAA7135HL Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01)
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10:06<AgentC>dunno how to get it work
10:06<AgentC>for example with kaffeine
10:06<wittiko>can anyone help me with apt-mirror? The problem is following: http://paste.adora.dk/P2216.html
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10:07<wittiko>sometimes apt-mirror is working without this problem sometimes it does the error so i don't know where to search
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10:10<tale>AgentC: Have you read this page: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards
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10:11<AgentC>tale: ill take a look.
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10:15<AgentC>tale: yepp, my medion card is in the list.
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10:16<kop>Humm. RH has a program call certwatch in it's crypto-utils package that sends mail when an SSL certificate is expired or about to expire. I've written my own, but would rather use something stock. Is there an equalivant in debian or should I request packageing?
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10:24<AgentC>tale: there seems to be a setup explanation, i m going to study it. thank you
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10:30<cargill>hi, how can I check if a hostname corresponds to some of the IP addresses of the local host?
10:31<petemc>host or dig are tools for querying dns
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10:31<cargill>(= I'm given a name or IP and want to check whether I'm already on the host)
10:32<cargill>petemc: unfortunately I have not been able to persuade host to regard /etc/hosts nor MDNS
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10:32<petemc>cargill: no, you wouldnt - its for dns
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10:33<cargill>sure, but some addresses I get are bound to be from there
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10:35<cargill>libc has getaddrinfo, but is there something accessible from a shell?
10:35<petemc>getent hosts
10:35<cargill>I would have to parse that
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10:38<shanks>what's the name of that 'nicer' nagios util ?
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10:38<cargill>I have a parameter "somehost[.possibly.somewhere.in.the.net]" to a shell script and I want to check whether I am on that host already, is there really no other way than mimicking what libc does?
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10:38<cthuluh>cargill: try: if ping -c 1 -w 1 -I 127.0.0.1 "$host" > /dev/null 2>&1; then echo "$host is local"; fi
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10:39<cargill>cthuluh: will try
10:39<vijo>añlguie de argentina???
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10:39<cthuluh>cargill: of course, you should deal with ipv6 8)
10:39<cthuluh>!ar
10:39<dpkg>methinks ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net.
10:40<cthuluh>vijo: see the #debian-ar channel
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10:40<bletch>Try this new browser strategy game, and help your country will be bigger!!! http://e-sim.org/lan.29680/
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10:45<jhutchins_lt>shanks: icinga, but the main thing they've done is a code re-write for the web view, it's not really implementing many changes yet.
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10:45<jhutchins_lt>cargill: What do you mean by "on that host"?
10:45<cargill>cthuluh: thanks, that's a good one, it does not help if the address is ipv6 only, however that should be possible to overcome by trying ping6 also
10:46<shanks>jhutchins_lt: is it easier to config?
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10:46<cargill>jhutchins_lt: on that host ="on a host that matches any of the addressess associated with the name/ip"
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10:50<jhutchins_lt>shanks: It uses the same configuration system, but may have some web configuration tools.
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10:50<jhutchins_lt>cargill: "On" is the term in question.
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10:51<shanks>jhutchins_lt: Oh I see. So it's the same core program , just a bit more user friendly (when used with the web tools?). I guess that turns it into Zabbix
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10:58<cargill>jhutchins_lt: on = "running that particular shell script there" (I intent to be doing file changes there and start/stop services based on local config files and this is a safeguard "this is not the host you are looking for"-type checking that all previous configuration is done)
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11:02<wald0>how to use backports ? it is recommended to have it enabled for everything (everything up to date from it) or just to install a desired package like the kernel ?
11:02<shanks>wald0: no. only for a few things
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11:02<shanks>wald0: just the packages you'd like newer versions of.
11:03<wald0>because i just read in the backports link a lot of publishments called "security update"
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11:03<wald0>ok, how i enable it ?
11:04<shanks>wald0: I'm not sure how often and how quick security updates are applied to squeeze-backports. I think the only security tracked releases are stable and oldstable
11:04<shanks>though I could be wrong.
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11:05<wald0>btw, what means "pae" in the new kernels and what's the difference between the description "for older PCs" and "for modern PCs" ?
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11:05<shanks>wald0: it's to do with addressing more than 4GB of RAM
11:05<shanks>on x86
11:05<shanks>something address extention i think
11:06<wald0>if im not wrong, the RAM size issue is solved in newer kernels automatically (using one of other option for +4GB)
11:06<shanks>PAE=physical address extenion. if you have more than 4GB or RAM you either use amd64 or you use a kernel on 32bit with PAE
11:07<wald0>i see
11:07<wald0>so this kernel is not good for computers less than 4gb ? it will not work in the same good way as a non-pae one ?
11:07<shanks>wald0: I'm not sure what would happen if you run a kernel with PAE and you don't have more than 4GB RAM. I'd guess nothing. But could be wrong.
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11:08<shanks>by nothing I mean, I don't think anything bad would happen. fairies wouldn't die or anything.
11:08<cthuluh>nothing but perhaps a 1% cpu consumption overhead
11:08<jhutchins_lt>cargill: You might want to look at the mollyguard package.
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11:09<wald0>1 % more of consumption of cpu ? mmmh.. i think that this is really not much
11:09<wald0>worth*
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11:10<jhutchins_lt>The PAE kernel will run fine on less than 4G, but may be a bit slower on some operations. You probably couldn't tell without a benchmark.
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11:10<jhutchins_lt>That said, there is no reason to run it unless you need 32b support for more than 4G.
11:11<jhutchins_lt>(It's actually something like 3.2G, but...)
11:12<themill>NX bit support is one reason to use it on machines with less memory
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11:18<wald0>themill: what is the NX bit support ?
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11:22<themill>marking memory that is supposed to be data as "no execute"
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11:27<wald0>sounds like a security feature ?
11:28<aracon>it is
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11:30<wald0>how to install the kernel from backports ?
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11:31<sney>!bdo kernel
11:31<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports.debian.org to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae See also <bdo kernel lenny>.
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11:32<wald0>strange regex uses this aptitude...
11:34<babilen>wald0: Oh, not at all. For fun and giggles read "/msg dpkg not available" and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=579603
11:34<themill>wald0: aptitude uses quite normal regexes, it just has a way of saying what field the regex should apply to that looks a lot like line noise. (it also has an odd escape character for regexps)
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11:36<Kirsten>How safe is the default security/encryption in a ssh connection in debian out of the box ?
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11:37<sney>relative to what? it's fine for daily use.
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11:38<shanks>Kirsten: you may want to use rsa keys if you're particularly paranoid
11:38<Kirsten>sney > isp recording of all packages for analysis
11:38<wald0>mmh, i don't see correctly the line of sources.list for backports in http://backports.debian.org/Instructions , can anybody tell me it ?
11:38<sney>generally ISPs are pretty lazy and will not go to extra effort to decrypt your encrypted traffic
11:38<Kirsten>shanks > i was informed that a RSA key was generated automatically when ssh server package was installed on debian
11:38<tale>wald0: You mean "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main"
11:39<Kirsten>sney > they wont be proccesing it just recording
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11:39<sney>Kirsten: then all they will see is encrypted gibberish
11:39<wald0>thx tale
11:39<shanks>Kirsten: I meant for client authentication
11:40<Kirsten>That sounds good. as long as there is some encryption.
11:40<Kirsten>shanks > ahh yes, right now its just a password
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11:40<Kirsten>shanks > that would mean that the client would have to have a keyfile with him and load that when connection to my ssh server right..
11:41<shanks>Kirsten: well you probably want to use key based since it's easy to setup. changing the port number also means you have fewer logs to read from all the brute forcing you'll get otherwise (not as much of an issue when using keys)
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11:41<shanks>Kirsten: id_rsa on the client. authorized_keys on the server
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11:41<wald0>Kirsten: ssh connections are always crypted, do you need to raise the encryption level to be stronger to decrypt ?
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11:42<Kirsten>wald0 > Sure if posible, in this case security is important
11:42<Kirsten>If keys are easy to setup thats good. One less thing to worry about
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11:43<wald0>a perfect world without capitalism should not need to crypt data...
11:43<shanks>Kirsten: ssh is pretty good out of the box. you can harden it by tweaking a few settings here and there and generating the right type of keys and making sure you employ good practice like making sure the private keys don't leave the system they're generated on and that they're passphrase protected. learn to use key-agent if typing a password becomes a chore and use Agent forwarding to avoid putting your private key all over the place (very bad habit)
11:44<Kirsten>The whole idea is to be able to connect thru our ssh server and then connect to the proxy that is on that same server. so port forwarding seems needed too
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11:44<Kirsten>Shanks > thanks. copyied and saved
11:44<wald0>Kirsten: if you want to browse internet safely you may try to use TOR or other things (im not good at it, you should google for better howtos)
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11:45<wald0>by safely i mean that nobody could spy what are you looking/searching on internet
11:45<Kirsten>wald0 > we use tor on our server as a client. its just unsafe for us just to connect to the public ip and ports the tor proxy runs on
11:45<shanks>Kirsten: if you live in a dictatorship regime then I wouldnt' put my life into Tor and other technologies. I wouldn't even trust SSL based technologies, unless you authored the keys yourself and you make ritualistic use of notaries
11:46<shanks>Trust No One. in fact pull out that ethernet cable now!
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11:46<Kirsten>shanks > thats very little trust you have there, but i agree, just wish i wasnt so much of a nub atm
11:46<Kirsten>lol
11:47<shanks>Kirsten: and make sure you don't use wifi hotspots.
11:47<shanks>and trust your mum but always cut the cards
11:47<Kirsten>The box is used while my husband and i are at work or traveling, both places has restrictions
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11:47<Kirsten>shanks > Sure, but we do use wifi sometimes on the go. In which case encryption is more importaint
11:48<shanks>Kirsten: if you're using a wifi hostpot always use a locally running SOCKS server. ssh -D
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11:49<Kirsten>I think the first thing i gotta get up and running is the ssh forwarding. live with what safety ssh over clean http proxy gives us
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11:51<shanks>Kirsten: liberal stegonography USB sticks and carrier pigeons is the only way
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11:52<Kirsten>shanks > my husband carries my things. Even messages, but i have others uses for him so i need this
11:53<Kirsten>sadly i fear it wont be as easy as just putting "portforward 33 33" in the sshd.conf file
11:54<wald0>Kirsten: if I can ask, which country do you live ?
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11:55<Kirsten>wald0 > i cant. But its northern europe. Maybe you can tell by my name
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11:57<wald0>strange, northen europe seems to have calm govs without terrifying the people living on it
11:57<wald0>anyways, nm, not my problem
11:58<Kirsten>wald0 > not anymore. My gov have just banned online gambling. Its allowed on local sites domestic sites. But they block all others sites
11:58<wald0>can anybody paste me a default fstab content of a squeeze install in PV ? i have a problem installing new kernel from BPO because i dont have fstab
11:58<Kirsten>Even bbc.co.uk, they had some gambling ads on it were you could place live bets. stupic stuff like that
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11:59<Kirsten>But, ill try my ways on google and in the forums maybe. explaining what we need for a setup and how it should work is a bit complicated
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12:00<wald0>Kirsten: if you are not very familiarized with security, maybe could be a good idea to use a live system of a distro made specially for security that contains everything... just be sure that is really good made and correctly configured (and its not hosted on a .gov domain)
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12:01<wald0>sorry my ignorance, what is "online gambling" ?
12:02<Kirsten>wald0 > gambling you know. Placing bets, loosing money
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12:02<wald0>mmh, unfortunately i dont have graphical system to translate with google the word "gambling" to spanish
12:02<Kirsten>wald0 > I know about tails, used it, but im not that much of a nub. Have setup our home debian server with streaming. torrent client. webserver etc. Know i wanna learn this
12:03<Kirsten>wald0 > ahh sorry i can only say 123 in spanish.
12:04<amoe>apparently 'juego'
12:04<wald0>can anybody paste me a default fstab content of a squeeze install in PV ? i have a problem installing new kernel from BPO because i dont have fstab
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12:05<wald0>amoe: game ? mmh, doesnt' sounds with much sense
12:05<amoe>i blame google. :p
12:05<wald0>please, i need a rootfs (/) line of fstab from anybody in squeze :)
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12:06<sney>wald0: it varies based on your hardware
12:06<sney>it's not always the same.
12:06<sney>hardware/filesystem/etc
12:06<wald0>of course, i only need one as example, i dont even remember the structure
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12:07<wald0>UUID=foo / reiserfs defaults 0 0
12:07<wald0>something like that, its correct ?
12:07<dardevelin>UUID=b11a4f08-6479-4ec3-a923-51d3862d0e75 / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1
12:07<sney>yeah that's it
12:07<wald0>thx
12:07<sney>well you'd want pass to not be 0 on your rootfs, but otherwise it'll work
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12:10<wald0>my installation of linux-image from BPO fails :(
12:10<wald0>the one from testing has worked correctly yesterday..
12:11<wald0>but i wanted to maintain some better compatibility by using it from BPO
12:11<wald0>otherwise it install new gcc's and stuff
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12:12<themill>wald0: /msg dpkg bat; try sticking the command you gave and all the output in a pastebin
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12:14<wald0>nm, problem fixed :) it was just a non-removed "live" package that tried to trick the initramfs generation unsuccesfully
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12:15<xreal>How can I locate the location of a binary?
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12:15<cthuluh>xreal: in which context? for what purpose?
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12:16<wald0>whereis cp
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12:16<xreal>cthuluh: Seems like I used "make install" (sorry!) and I can't locate the place, where it was installed
12:16<xreal>wald0: Thanks!
12:16<wald0>brb, trying new kernel
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12:21<sklo>yo! i need best esiets bluetooth manager
12:21<sklo>for LXDE prefered
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12:36<sklo>yo
12:36<sklo>can any1 tell me the best easiets bluetooth manager?
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12:36<sklo>[ i had dc, some nasty freez ]
12:36<sklo>!pl
12:36<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>.
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12:47<xreal>Is there a way to delete files VERY fast? only rm -rf ?
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12:50<meebey>does rm flush? if so, libeatmydata could speed it up
12:50<retrospectacus>xreal: a 1/2" power drill with a high-speed-steel bit works well, or a sledgehammer ;D
12:50<xreal>retrospectacus: SINGLE files, not all the files :-)
12:50<mekt>meebey, rm does not flush
12:51<retrospectacus>fine :(
12:51<mekt>--at least that is my impression.
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12:51<mekt>or maybe i am confusing it with cp. yes, i think i am.
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12:51<meebey>mekt: as slow as rm is, I wonder why it is that slow :)
12:51<mekt>I don't know about rm.
12:51<mekt>I intentionally lower my rm priority.
12:51<retrospectacus>xreal: note that RM only erases the inodes and your data is still there - you'd need to use shred if you are trying to be secure - and it takes much longer
12:51<mekt>with ionice and schedtool.
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12:52<mekt>better srm than shred . shred does not handle multiple links correctly.
12:52<meebey>lets see where the source of rm is
12:52<xreal>retrospectacus: I don't need secure removal for those files.
12:53*meebey grabs coreutils source
12:53<retrospectacus>I don't think you can get faster than rm then
12:53<retrospectacus>you can make rm faster like mekt said though (probably)
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12:55<mekt>meebey, strace -e flush rm testfile
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12:56<mekt>(though viewing source may be more insightful)
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13:09<meebey>rm uses unlinkat() and not calling flush()
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13:12<sklo>question - why my web browser is using 130 MB and it has 633 MB!!! to use?what for those ~ 500MB?
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13:14<sklo>i got that info from task manager, i run out of memory for 2 times today
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13:35<sklo>some1 answerd?
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13:49<jhutchins_lt>!pl
13:49<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>.
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13:51<prod>i'm trying to get debian installed on a pc, but i don't have the ability to burn a new cd/dvd, and it doesn't seem to like booting from usb
13:51<prod>i do have an old sarge cd though
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13:52<prod>i've tried installing from that and updating, but it's throwing lots of errors
13:52<prod>is there an easier way to get to install from a more recent version using that cd?
13:52<demonkeeper>Well, Sarge is not exactly the most cutting edge stuff
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13:52<demonkeeper>You need to go through an update orgy
13:52<prod>is there a way for me to do some kind of netinstall from that?
13:53<demonkeeper>Yes, but you need to use archive.debian.org, not actualy mirrors.
13:53<demonkeeper>*actual
13:53<prod>yea, had to go to archive to do any updates at all :)
13:53<prod>how do i go about doing that? is there a page that gives steps?
13:54<cybersphinx_>If you uncheck all that desktop task stuff and just install a base system upgrading shouldn't take that long.
13:54<demonkeeper>Just do any dist-upgrade in order, e.g. Sarge to Etch to Lenny to Squeeze.
13:54<prod>ok
13:54<prod>i'll try it out
13:54<prod>thanks
13:55<prod>is lenny on the regular mirrors?
13:55<demonkeeper>Yes
13:55<prod>but etch would only be on archive right?
13:55<demonkeeper>Everything up to Lenny is in the archive only.
13:55<prod>ok, cool
13:55<demonkeeper>Excluding Lenny itself.
13:55<prod>thanks
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13:55<demonkeeper>And: The less you install, the less you have to upgrade.
13:56<demonkeeper>Hence, as cybersphinx_ says: Try to keep it on a base install level.
13:57<jhutchins_lt>How about running debootstrap on lenny to install squeeze in a chroot, then switch to that?
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13:57<jhutchins_lt>er, debootstrap on sarge.
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13:58<demonkeeper>Bootstrapping Debian is not trivial though.
13:58<jhutchins_lt>Use a small separate partition for sarge.
13:58<jhutchins_lt>demonkeeper: I found it worked very nicely for me that way.
13:58<demonkeeper>Sure, but I presumue you know how to tweak fstab manually, install grub manually in a chroot etc.
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13:59<jhutchins_lt>demonkeeper: More difficult to use a directory than a partition.
14:00<Prod[a]>yea, i saw a bit of stuff about debootstrap
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14:00<Prod[a]>i'm a bit new to installing debian
14:01<demonkeeper>The least hassle is to dist-upgrade step by step. It's really annoying, but it works.
14:01<Prod[a]>i can handle fstab, but grub is a bit advanced for my tastes
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14:01<jhutchins_lt>!tell Prod[a] about ig
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14:02<Prod[a]>yea, i've been looking through the docs, but don't have the means for a proper install atm :(
14:03<Prod[a]>so one question about dist-upgrade
14:03<Prod[a]>i leave the apt sources on sarge
14:03<Prod[a]>then i run dist-upgrade
14:03<Prod[a]>then i update the sources to etch?
14:03<Prod[a]>(and so on)
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14:04<jhutchins_lt>!sarge -> etch
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14:04<jhutchins_lt>dpkg sarge->etch
14:04<dpkg>Read the release notes, ask me about <etch release notes>. The recommended system upgrade procedure is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the procedure in the release notes. Ask me about <etch sources.list> as this release has since been archived. Also ask me about <etch> and <etch->lenny>.
14:04<demonkeeper>You configure your sources.list to point to Sarge, update it (apt-get update; apt-get upgrade), replace Sarge by Etch, apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; goto 1
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14:04<Prod[a]>awesome
14:05<Prod[a]>dpkg etch sources.list
14:05<dpkg>well, etch sources.list is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free". But realise that Etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>.
14:05<Prod[a]>wow, so much better than google...
14:06<demonkeeper>dpkg: tell Prod[a] about msg the bot
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14:34<Prod[a]>did the base install
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14:34<Prod>did the aptitude update, aptitude upgrade, aptitude dist-upgrade
14:34<Prod>rebooted
14:34<Prod>still seems to think it's 3.1
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14:35<mark>fsfewf
14:35<Prod>it does mention that a few packages were "held back"
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14:38<cybersphinx_>Prod: Try apt-get install package for those, and see what would happen, usually (well, with unstable, I've never done release to release upgrades) it's one package that needs to be updated or removed for the rest to work.
14:39<Prod>kk
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14:41<Prod>it appears to be all version mismatches
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14:41<Prod>all of them want some newer version of something
14:42<Prod>http://pastebin.com/Tj69cMqJ
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14:45<cybersphinx_>"libc6 (>= 2.7) but 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 is to be installed" looks like the old package has higher preference than the update. Maybe "apt-get -t etch dist-upgrade" helps (if the repo in sources.list is called etch).
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14:46<babilen>Prod: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6" please? Have you set the default release to sarge maybe?
14:46<Prod>deb http://archive.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib
14:46<Prod>that's currently in my sources.list
14:47<Prod>and deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib
14:47<Prod>http://pastebin.com/PA4PtxJx
14:48<babilen>Prod: You definitely don't want that security for squeeze (current stable) -- Use "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free" instead
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14:49<babilen>Prod: It also looks as if you forgot to run "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list
14:49<Prod>ran it a few times :/
14:49<Prod>going to try with the new security one
14:50<babilen>Prod: Err, and if you want to upgrade to etch you also want "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and not sarge in there :)
14:51<babilen>Prod: I don't know *where* you are in the upgrade process and it might not be the right time to make the switch to etch just yet.
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14:51<Prod>so far, i've run aptitude update, aptitude upgrade, aptitude dist-upgrade
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14:51<Prod>and then rebooted
14:51<Prod>i get the following error with that debian security line
14:51<Prod>W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.debian.org_debian-security_dists_etch_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
14:51<Prod>(among others)
14:52<babilen>Prod: Please read and follow the release notes for etch: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes -- You to make sure that your sarge system is "up-to-date" for example
14:52<Prod>k
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14:53<babilen>Prod: Note that it is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free" (the -security is important)
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14:53<Prod>copy pasted directly
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14:54<Prod>oh
14:54<babilen>oh?
14:54<Prod>looks like it just didn't like the non-free
14:54<Prod>removed that and it worked
14:54<babilen>ack
14:55<Prod>set it to sarge, as my main upgrdae line is still sarge
14:55<Prod>looks like it's willing to upgrade now
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14:55<babilen>Prod: As I said: Not sure where in the upgrade process you are right now, but upgrade your sarge system first before installing anything from etch.
14:55<babilen>In short: Follow the release notes ;)
14:55<Prod>kk
14:56<Prod>well, it's making progress
14:56<babilen>good
14:56<Prod>fixing that security line appears to have done it
14:56<Prod>thanks :)
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15:00<themill>in particular, make sure that you're running the right kernel before trying sarge→etch
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15:04<Prod[a]>(themill): yea, i actually got a kernel upgrade in that last upgrade
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15:05<themill>the memories are hazy, but make sure you're actually running 2.6.9 (or was it 8) as the release notes say
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15:07<Prod[a]>i'm on 2.6.8 atm, these notes say some funky stuff about upgrading the kernel, reading through it now
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15:08<Cooldude>when upgrading to wheezy from squeeze it loads the changelog and wont let me get past it, any ideas?
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15:10<retrospectacus>Cooldude: you can probably get past by pressing q
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15:11<retrospectacus>dpkg, tell Cooldude about squeeze->wheezy
15:14<Cooldude>i did a fresh install of squeeze but on this machine its running slow expecially apt dpkg related. i thought it may be because i have a 3ware 9750 raid card, but hdparm shows it running faster then my adpatec so im wondering if its kernel related
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15:17<aracon>Cooldude: perhaps you should try a backports kernel before upgrading to wheezy/sid
15:17<retrospectacus>Cooldude: what aracon said. /msg dpkg backports
15:18<Cooldude>that would be 2.5.38 right
15:18<retrospectacus>2.6.39
15:18<retrospectacus>judd: kernels
15:18<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-6); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
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15:21<Cooldude>appreciate the help
15:22<retrospectacus>no problem
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15:23<aracon>Cooldude: it seems that kernel 2.6.33 has native support for your raid card, so 2.6.39 should do the trick
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15:24<Cooldude>yeah its been working so far, ive mainly been trying to figure out why dpkg is so slow
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15:26<Cooldude>and its a fresh install raid5 lvm
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15:34<Cooldude>takes 10 years to read package list even
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15:38<kingsley>Cooldude: Maybe you could use something like the "top" command to try to diagnose why it's slow.
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15:45<kop>Cooldude: top, vmstat, iostat, bonnie++
15:45<kop>Cooldude: And of course ps.
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15:48<kb1rma>anyone tried installing php5-xcache from the DotDeb repos?
15:48<kb1rma>it's not installing properly for me
15:49<mexx3000>hi folks - anyone already mentioned broken libpq5 from today's updates? depends on libssl1.0.0, which is not available :/
15:49<jordanm>!dotdeb
15:49<dpkg>dotdeb is, like, for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ , but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb"
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15:49<kb1rma>oh fine :(
15:49<kb1rma>ha
15:49<kb1rma>I'll try the debian repos
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15:52<kryzaal>Hi Everyone, i've got a problem with my cutom kernel. When booting, i've the messagé "ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/[UUID] does not exist." The given UUID is my /boot/ disk. I'm here to learn, not to have ready-to-post responses. So if someone have the time to help me it will be cool ;)
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15:54<sta19>kryzaal: got a typo in fstab maybe?
15:55<kryzaal>it works with my old kernel so i think it's right
15:55<mexx3000>probably missing drivers ...
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15:56<kryzaal>that's what i'm looking for
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15:56<kryzaal>i just don't have any idea of which drivers i've to get
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15:59<sta19>kryzaal: Beats me... don't know. Maybe spend some time with "Linux From Scratch"?
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16:03<kryzaal>thanks for the website, i'll read it !
16:03<weedeater64>lspci should lend a clue
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16:04<sta19>kryzaal: good luck..... you're figure it out. :)
16:04<sta19>you'll
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16:12<mexx3000>great.
16:12<mexx3000>old version: 8.4.9-0squeeze1
16:12<mexx3000>new: 8.4.8-0squeeze2
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16:13<mexx3000>sry, 8.4.9 is broken ... wrong dependencies
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16:18*Pumba Bonne nuit à vous
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16:22<cthuluh>weird, the last security update for postgresql requires libssl >= 1.0.0 (which is not present in the main / security repositories) :/
16:23<mexx3000>cthuluh: oh, another one ... Thought i'm the only
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16:24<cthuluh>ah, didn't read the backlog
16:28<kop>cthul: Strange. worked for me. But then I'm not using squeeze-updates.
16:28<mexx3000>kop: security.debian.org
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16:28<mexx3000>with squeeze/updates
16:29<kop>mexx3000: Right. I'm on just plain squeeze. You guys can file a bug report and then I'll never have a problem. ;-)
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16:57<wald0>something strange happened to the bootup... It's not keyboard-interactive anymore
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16:57<wald0>i have a init script that runs "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev..." for uncrypt a device and mount it on my home
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16:58<wald0>but something strange happens in the standard input, I can't type to the cryptsetup command, for example i can read my typed text and when I hit enter, does nothing... like ignoring my standard input
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17:42<imanol>hola
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17:43<imanol>hi
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17:43<imanol>hi ??
17:43<retrospectacus>hi
17:44<imanol>speak spanish ??
17:44<retrospectacus>no
17:44<retrospectacus>!es
17:44<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:44<imanol>tanks men
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17:45<aleprovencio>hello all, can anyone please tell me why "dpkg -l '*garmin*'" does not return garmin-ant-downloader, garmin-forerunner-tools and "apt-cache search garmin" does on my ubuntu system? I know i should be asking this on #ubuntu, but nobody is noticing me there..
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17:46<retrospectacus>dpkg -l only lists *installed* packages
17:46<dpkg>No packages found matching only lists *installed* packages
17:46<retrospectacus>dpkg: thanks
17:46<dpkg>sure thing, retrospectacus
17:46<themill>and also removed but not purged packages
17:46<retrospectacus>them too, yes
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18:00<aleprovencio>retrospectacus, but if i do "dpkg -l 'gimp*'", it lists the installed and uninstalled gimp packages, why?
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18:04<retrospectacus>aleprovencio: like we just said... dpkg -l only lists installed and removed but not purged packages
18:05<aleprovencio>retrospectacus, ok i got it :)
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18:07<retrospectacus>:)
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18:08<aleprovencio>retrospectacus, is there a way to do something like a "apt-cache search" which searches for installed, removed and purged with a formated output showing whether the packages are installed or not, without the use of aptitude?
18:09<aleprovencio>...and on terminal?
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18:09<retrospectacus>what are you actually trying to do?
18:10<retrospectacus>you'll never know whether a package was installed before and purged vs. never installed
18:10<retrospectacus>that I know of... feel free to correct me if anyone knows otherwise
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18:11<aleprovencio>retrospectacus, sorry that is not what i meant
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18:12<aleprovencio>i just want something telling me if the package is installed or not, but if it is not, i want it to be listed and marked as not installed
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18:12<retrospectacus>apt-cache show package
18:13<ml|>aptitude FTW ;)
18:13<aleprovencio>retrospectacus, yes but that would be for a particular package not for a bunch returned by a regular expression or wildcard
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18:13<cybersphinx_>aleprovencio: dpkg -l?
18:13<retrospectacus>aleprovencio: apt-cache show will take a regular expression
18:13<retrospectacus>you'll get a lot of output though
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18:15<retrospectacus>cybersphinx_: he wants to see also available packages, not just installed ones
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18:15<cybersphinx_>dpkg -l \*gnash\* shows me six packages here that I don't have installed.
18:15<dpkg>No packages found matching \*gnash\* shows me six packages here that I don't have installed.
18:15<scraze>there probably is a way to make apt-cache / aptitude do that, but: grep "^Package:" /var/lib/dpkg/available | cut -d ':' -f 2- | xargs dpkg -l
18:15<retrospectacus>cybersphinx_: I get none, what does it say under their status?
18:16<cybersphinx_>un
18:16<retrospectacus>that means you had it installed before
18:16<aleprovencio>retrospectacus, right. i think as ml| suggested aptitude is the only way to do this
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18:16<cybersphinx_>I don't think so, but I'll look for something else.
18:16<retrospectacus>aleprovencio: what was wrong with apt-cache policy 'gimp*' ?
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18:17<retrospectacus>err show
18:17<cybersphinx_>Hm, looks like I did have them installed.
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18:18<aleprovencio>retrospectacus, i find it "noisy" for my intent..too much information
18:18<scraze>aleprovencio: what's wrong grep "^Package:" /var/lib/dpkg/available | cut -d ':' -f 2- | xargs dpkg -l :P?
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18:19<themill>aleprovencio: aptitude is part of the default install... just use that. (or go back to #ubuntu ...)
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18:24<aleprovencio>themill, they took aptitude away from default ubuntu install, but because of this and other reasons i'm starting to think debian people are right by keeping it default.
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18:41<aleprovencio>thanks for helping me guys
18:41<aleprovencio>see ya
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19:17<onecallednick>Hi all, I'd like to install the latest available backported kernel for Debian Squeeze. Is there a simple guide for that or good resource to explain the process?
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19:17<onecallednick>I know I add the backports repo, but i'm not sure which packages to install
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19:18<onecallednick>I'm on the AMD64 Arch if that makes any difference
19:18<retrospectacus>onecallednick: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6-amd64
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19:28<onecallednick>retrospectacus, there aren't any 3.0 kernels available? Oh well. Thanks so much!
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19:29<retrospectacus>not in backports (yet)
19:29<retrospectacus>,kernels
19:30<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-6); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
19:30<onecallednick>judd thank you, how'd you find that?
19:31<judd>onecallednick: you can work out a lot of things when you're sitting on top of an 8GB database.
19:32<onecallednick>lol
19:34<retrospectacus>we have some clever robots in here
19:34<onecallednick>oh it's a bot, got it
19:34<onecallednick>neat!
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19:34<scraze>retrospectacus: I just pmed judd saying "you're quite the intelligent bot, aren't you?" and it's remaining suspiciously quiet.. :]
19:35<scraze>i think it's conspiring to take over the world
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19:35<scraze>are there shell or gnome toolbar apps that connect to dpkg / judd ?
19:36<retrospectacus>that was a ridiculously succinct reply judd made there. (S)he probably is planning to take over the world
19:37<retrospectacus>!udd
19:37<dpkg>The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase http://udd.debian.org/
19:37<scraze>thanks
19:37<retrospectacus>I'm sure you could make a script to connect to it, They probably exist already
19:37<themill>ircbots.debian.net is useful for dpkg's factoids
19:38<daemonkeeper>(also for retrieving db dumps to build your own stuff upon it. Not sure if anyone ever cared about licensing issues of it)
19:41<scraze>yay, that will do. thanks all
19:42<Cooldude>top fix the problem with my raid card i had to enable write caching, which i didnt do because i dont have the battery backup for the card, figured id let you guys know
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20:06<wabi>wabi for president ! .. never knew a better guy than that !
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20:30<zykotick9>is there a way to get judd to show kernels available for amd64 instead of 686? I'm curious as my sid amd64 VM is up-to-date, yet has kernel 3.0.0-1 yet judd show 3.0.0-2 as current for sid - could architecture explain the difference?
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20:33<Kennix>Does anyone know where the bluetooth configuration file is in Squeeze?
20:33<Kennix>I need to delete the configuration and start over it is not recognizing my phone anymore
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20:43<antifa>what is the name of the channel to ask about package removal?
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20:47<chealer>antifa: you want to request the removal of a package?
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20:49<abrotman>!removals
20:49<dpkg>The log of Debian package removals (including removal reasons) for this year is at http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt . For logs of previous years, see http://ftp-master.debian.org/#removed
20:49<antifa>chealer: no i'm looking for detailed informaion why a certain package was removed... eg what the todo list would be, to get it back into debian...
20:50<chealer>antifa: you can check the above, if not, which package?
20:50<gsimmons>zykotick9: As linux-2.6 3.0.0-6 has been built/installed for amd64, the 'linux-image-3.0.0-2-amd64' binary package should be available to you. judd's versions command accepts an --arch option.
20:50<antifa>i check it first, but thx for the quick reply :)
20:50<zykotick9>gsimmons, thanks
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20:51<scraze>antifa: try the PTS : http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html
20:51<scraze>pts
20:51<zykotick9>gsimmons, are you sure about that --arch option? (kernels [--release <squeeze>])
20:51<antifa>scraze: thx i'll try that too :)
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20:52<andromeynard>anybody here
20:52<cmr>Nope.
20:52<cmr>!ask
20:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:54<gsimmons>zykotick9: I said "versions", not kernel.
20:55<andromeynard>tried installing broadcom sta driver but gor errors during compilation
20:55<andromeynard>got erroes*
20:55<zykotick9>gsimmons, you are certainly correct about the "real" issue, installing said kernel as we speak. Do you know why this didn't become an update by default, even dist-upgrade didn't show it?
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20:55<abrotman>need more details .. like version of linux, version of kernel, versoin of driver
20:56<andromeynard>linux mint debian edition.
20:56<andromeynard>2.6.39-2-486
20:56<abrotman>andromeynard: this channel is not for LMDE support
20:56<gsimmons>zykotick9: Do you have the linux-image-amd64 meta-package installed? This should have brought it in.
20:57<abrotman>andromeynard: use #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support .. Thank you, have a nice day
20:57<andromeynard>aw. sorry for that. lmde xchat sent me here
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20:57<Jenni_>blarg
20:58<zykotick9>gsimmons, no in fact i didn't. Mystery solved. Thanks so much.
20:58<gsimmons>np
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20:58<Jenni_>does anyone know if there's a way to properly close ports using iptables, instead of just dropping packets?
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21:00<cmr>Jenni_: How is dropping the packets not closed?
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21:00<Jenni_>well the server never responds to requests on that port
21:00<Jenni_>if the port is closed the server should send a response saying so
21:01<abrotman>Jenni_: uhm, you shut down the daemon
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21:02<Jenni_>which daemon?
21:02<abrotman>the one that is listening on the port
21:02<Jenni_>so you're saying "stop using the firewall"?
21:03<abrotman>no ..
21:03<abrotman>do you know what a daemon is?
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21:03<Jenni_>yes
21:03<abrotman>so what is listening on the port you're trying to close?
21:04<abrotman>!closing ports
21:04<dpkg><greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up.
21:04<Jenni_>but regardless of whether a daemon is listening on a port, if the firewall's blocking it the daemon doesn't do anything
21:04<abrotman>if you do'nt want the outside world contacting your daemon, turn the daemon off .. if there's no daemon listening, there's nothing to connect to .. end of problem
21:05<Jenni_>what if i can't keep track of the hundreds of daemons running on the server?
21:05<abrotman>you don't have hundreds of daemons
21:06<Jenni_>The result of a scan on a port is usually generalized into one of three categories:
21:06<Jenni_>1. Open or Accepted: The host sent a reply indicating that a service is listening on the port.
21:06<Jenni_>2. Closed or Denied or Not Listening: The host sent a reply indicating that connections will be denied to the port.
21:06<Jenni_>3. Filtered, Dropped or Blocked: There was no reply from the host.
21:06<Jenni_>iptables currently does 3, i want it to do 2
21:06<abrotman>shut down the daemon .. already told you that
21:07<Jenni_>that doesn't stop iptables filtering the packet
21:07<scraze>iirc, if iptables doesn't drop the packet, then the kernel will respond with 2
21:07<abrotman>what .. did you just have iptables block every port?
21:07<Jenni_>yep
21:08<abrotman>wtf
21:08<Jenni_>no reason not to
21:08<scraze>so either don't drop the packets in the first place, or add a specific -j QUEUE rule
21:08<Kirsten>Is there anyway to make apt-get fetch thru a proxy ?
21:08<abrotman>Kirsten: an http proxy or an apt proxy?
21:09<antifa>chealer and scraze: i found out why... so my desired package 'qvwm' was removed because of oldlibs 'imlib11' etc... those were removed because of the 'GTK 1.2' removal... i still got all the .debs on my pc and they work fine, but i don't know how much work it would be to reintroduce them to unstable... and if it's worth the work... ;) but thank you very much for your quick response :)
21:10<abrotman>antifa: they won't let you .. they're very dead upstream and unmaintained
21:10<antifa>abrotman: yes i saw it :) so i'll have to keep my old copies :)
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21:11<abrotman>antifa: or you could find a replacement for qvwm
21:11<Kirsten>abrotman > I got http/s and socks5
21:11<Cooldude>running squeeze can someone maybe give me a suggestion on how to get x-httpd-php to load instead of downloading example: http://langenburgwater.com/
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21:11<abrotman>Kirsten: man apt.conf ... search for 'proxy'
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21:12<antifa>abrotman: I only use it for live-cds because people are instatntly used to it ;)
21:12<abrotman>Cooldude: did you install libapache2-mod-php5 ?
21:12<abrotman>antifa: that doesn't solve the problem
21:12<chealer>antifa: that means it would at least need porting to GTK 2. surely easier to switch wm...
21:12<abrotman>antifa: look at using icewm with a win95 theme
21:13<antifa>abrotman: ok, i'll give it a try :)
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21:13<Cooldude>abrotman yes i did
21:13<abrotman>Cooldude: and a2enmod php5 ? and restart apache ?
21:14<Cooldude>yes
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21:14<Kirsten>abrotman > its not in etc/apt
21:14<abrotman>Cooldude: /win 2
21:14<Cooldude>and i tried changing settings in php5.conf and apache2.conf and nothing so i returened them back to original
21:15<scraze>Cooldude: your apache either isn't set up to run php in the www root directory, or it doesn't recognise the mime (i.e. .php extension) .. if I'm reading Chromium right then it is sending with the correct mime, so it might be the first - are you running from within a user directory?
21:15<abrotman>Cooldude: check your apache logs .. see if it indicates php5 is enabled ?
21:16<scraze>by www root I mean DocumentRoot for that domain
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21:16<Cooldude>i have it in a userdir but i dont have the userdir mod enabled, which is how i had it running in ubuntu
21:17<Cooldude>http://maxscars.com/test.php
21:17<Cooldude>thats phpinfo
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21:17<abrotman>so PHP does work
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21:18<Cooldude>whats win 2
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21:19<abrotman>Cooldude: my typo :)
21:19<scraze>Cooldude: ok, so it's not mod_userdir either.. what's the difference in configuration between maxscars & langenburgwater?
21:20<Cooldude>there the same just different virtual hosts
21:20<Cooldude>well diff sites but config is the same
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21:22<scraze>Cooldude: what's the indexe file of langenburgwater?
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21:22<Cooldude>its pages.php which i have set through .htaccess
21:22<Cooldude>RewriteRule ^$ /pages.php?p=retail [L,QSA]
21:23<abrotman>Cooldude: so if you put a phpinfo() page in that same dir, it works ?
21:23<Cooldude>i have this machine dual boot with ubuntu as the other and copied the entire web folders over
21:23<Cooldude>ill copy it over and find out
21:23<scraze>the url http://langenburgwater.com/pages.php?p=retail itself works fine
21:24<abrotman>so pages.php?p=index fails ?
21:24<scraze>no, the execution of pages.php fails when redirected instead of directly called
21:24<antifa>abrotman: so if i'm not able to get the source-code of that package, that was removed in 2009.. then i have no possibility to update it's functions to imlib2 and because of that, i'll never be able to bring it back to stable?... would you agree to that?...
21:25<scraze>"fails" is not right, the execution just doesn't happen
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21:26<abrotman>antifa: the source is available in Debian already ... but really, look at icewm with a win95 theme
21:26<Cooldude>yeah php obviously works it looks like so what controls that, which ive myteriously figured out before
21:27<antifa>abrotman: okay :) thank you :)
21:29<scraze>mumble.. a wget langenburgwater.com retrieved a healthy index.html
21:31<scraze>Cooldude: did you fix it ?
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21:31<scraze>looks like it from here
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21:33<Cooldude>yeah i deleted some crap i had in the .htaccess
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21:33<scraze>well, yay! :)
21:34<Cooldude>i appreciate all the help, 5 virtual hosts are up just one with problems
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22:43<josmbrio>holaaa
22:43<josmbrio>espaniol?
22:43<josmbrio>or english?
22:45<cthuluh>!es
22:45<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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22:45<josmbrio>bien tengo temor de usar apt-get autoremove evolution, ya que la ultima vez que hice algo parecido se me eliminaron un pocoton de cosas de debian como el centor de software, tomboy, gedit y mas cosas
22:45<josmbrio>ok
22:48<josmbrio>hey can someone check this out? http://pastebin.com/6NHCgcAQ
22:49<sney>!unmarkauto
22:49<dpkg>Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards).
22:49<josmbrio>i want to delete evolution, but it says it's gonna delete a lot of things like cheese, some gnome parts, network-manager, tomboy, gedit
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22:50<josmbrio>mmm
22:50<josmbrio>thanks
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22:55<zykotick9>sney, i've often thought it would be "somewhat" beneficial to be able to remove packages from gnome-desktop-environment (like evolution) - would this unmarkauto basically allow that?
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23:02<josmbrio>dpkg: What would happen if i unmarkauto all the packages that says in the post i show you?
23:02<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, josmbrio
23:02<josmbrio>?
23:03<josmbrio>unparseable request? is it good or bad?
23:03<zykotick9>josmbrio, did you have any success removing evolution? i've tried unmarkauto on gnome-(accessibility|core|desktop-environment) but removing evolution still wants to remove those packages? dpkg is a bot!
23:03<sney>josmbrio: dpkg is a channel bot. you could do that and it would keep them all installed, but you probably don't need to do *all* of them
23:03<josmbrio>haha god
23:03<sney>'aptitude why evolution' might give you good clues. I don't know the answer because I'm a kde user :)
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23:04<josmbrio>well i't trying to unmarkauto all the packages it wants to remove, but im not sure if its a good idea
23:04<zykotick9>the "aptitude why evolution" returns gnome-core
23:04<sney>the only thing that would make it a bad idea is if you wanted to remove all of gnome at some point
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23:05<sney>and even then, it'd just make it slower
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23:05<dardevelin>replying no to aptitude should give you a different option (removing other package)
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23:06<josmbrio>even if i want to update to gnome 3 in the future?
23:07<sney>you'd probably end up with a lot of leftover gnome2 junk after a wheezy upgrade but it probably woudlnt' be noticeable unless you have limited disk space
23:07<josmbrio>mmmm this : i gnome-core Depende evolution (>= 2.30)
23:08<josmbrio>mmm, well i think in that case i'm good
23:08<josmbrio>what about gnome-core i posted? what does it mean?
23:08<zykotick9>dardevelin, unfortunately non of aptitudes options remove evolution, while leaving gnome? good suggestion though - there where only 3 or 4 options.
23:09<zykotick9>s/non/none/
23:10<zykotick9>josmbrio, gnome-core is a base meta-package of Gnome
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23:12<josmbrio>wow i'm having headaches with debian, i chose it coz of stability, i'm sick of ubuntu freezing
23:13<sney>I really don't know why evolution is so permanently stuck into gnome
23:14<dardevelin>zykotick9, do this sudo apt-get -s remove evolution >apt-tmp
23:14<dardevelin>the pastebin that apt-tmp file
23:15<sney>if it were me I'd probably not bother removing it, just not use it and disable associations with update-alternatives
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23:16<zykotick9>dardevelin, http://pastebin.com/V6Lgpvf0
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23:17<zykotick9>sney, that's always been the "solution" i've used ;) but your unmarkauto was certainly interesting to learn about - thought it would finally solve the issue.
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23:20<josmbrio>ok , i unmarkeauto everything, and now it says to remove this
23:20<josmbrio>evolution evolution-exchange gnome gnome-accessibility gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment ----------------- is it good?
23:20<dardevelin>seams someone has the same thing
23:20<dardevelin>http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article8/
23:20<dardevelin>you would mark as manually installed
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23:21<josmbrio>i unmarkauto this 6 packages but still appear to be deleted
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23:21<zykotick9>dardevelin, thanks for the link!
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23:22<dardevelin>yw hope it helps, i'm still looking for better/easier ways of doing it
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23:25<dardevelin>zykotick9, Seams you uninstall the metapackages and the with no problem remove evolution
23:25<dardevelin>you can simulate to see how it would work by passing -s in apt-get
23:25<dardevelin>so sudo apt-get -s remove gnome gnome-desktop-environment
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23:28<dardevelin>there is a old thread on the forums explaining what happens between dependencies in these cases
23:28<dardevelin>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=38598&hilit=evolution
23:28<dardevelin>the gnome-desktop-environment metapackage depends on ekiga and evince, but the reverse is not true. So you can remove gnome-desktop-environment without removing ekiga and evince.
23:29<dardevelin>the situation is somewhat similar to the example explained above
23:29<zykotick9>dardevelin, i don't have the "gnome" metapackage installed, i removed g-d-e - but trying to remove evolution still wants to remove gnome-core and gnome-accessibility. This seems like a slippery slope. Thanks so much for the help - learned some new stuff which is always good. sney thanks you as well.
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23:31<josmbrio>yes
23:31<josmbrio>same for me, still wants to remove gnome-core accessibility and desktop
23:32<zykotick9>dardevelin, fyi - i did try the linked suggestion for unmark first - same result
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23:32<dardevelin>i can't give better feedback since i'm on sid
23:33<dardevelin>and the only thing tries to remove is
23:33<dardevelin> evolution evolution-exchange evolution-plugins gnome
23:33<dardevelin> gnome-desktop-environment
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23:35<josmbrio>apt-get -s simulates what will happend if i remove something?
23:35<zykotick9>dardevelin, well, at least on sid it's not trying to remove gnome-core
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23:35<zykotick9>perhaps a gnome3 change?
23:35<dardevelin>josmbrio, -s simulates any apt-get operation
23:36<dardevelin>josmbrio, man apt-get for more information
23:36<josmbrio>how does it rollback? ^C??
23:36<dardevelin>josmbrio, what do you mean with "rolling back"
23:36<josmbrio>stop simulation
23:36<dardevelin>tbh i use fallback mode instead of gnome-shell
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23:37<zykotick9>dardevelin, that's still gnome3 though
23:37<dardevelin>josmbrio, simulation does't even do things on the system, it just shows the outputs like it were actually doing it
23:37<dardevelin>well gnome 3 is good, gnome-shells can't say the same :D
23:37<josmbrio>umm got it
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23:38<zykotick9>dardevelin, most of my sid/gnome3 usage has been in vbox and now kvm (thus fallback only option)
23:38<zykotick9>vbox allowed some gnome-shell usage, but it wasn't very compelling
23:40<dardevelin>sid has been more stable then ubuntu stable and even debian-testing (doing apt-get dist-upgrade everyday )
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23:41<dardevelin>running away it's not answer to solve problems.. so as long your willing to keep trying i'll try help
23:41<dardevelin>I'm looking at that page -> http://man.he.net/man8/apt-mark
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23:41<dardevelin>and seams using apt-mark is the way to actually unmarkauto
23:42<dardevelin>unmarkauto is different of just unmark since, it's specifically saying to aptitude that you want it to be considered as manually installed
23:42<dardevelin>!unmarkauto
23:42<dpkg>Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards).
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23:43<dardevelin>so i'm not sure but i'm under the impression that it would be aptitude unmarkauto gnome-core and the rest of the list (except evolution stuff )
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23:45<zykotick9>dardevelin, do you know how to view the marked state of a package?
23:45<dardevelin>using synaptic package manager you should be able to use it's filters
23:46<dardevelin>so select status at the left panel bellow
23:47<dardevelin>and the the top list of that panel should be - all, installed (auto removable), installed(local or obsolete), installed(manual) (..)
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23:47<dardevelin>in the installed manual you should then be able to search for the package :/
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23:47<zykotick9>gnome-core appears in both: installed and installed (manual)
23:48<dardevelin>humm
23:48<dardevelin>simulate it's unmarkauto
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23:49<dardevelin>let me just confirm how you can safely run a simulation of that
23:49<zykotick9>just to verify i'm issue the correct command "aptitude -s unmarkauto gnome-core", doesn't seem to give much output?
23:51<dardevelin>well i'm trying to dive in the aptitude man pages to see if -s means simulate for aptitude as well
23:51<dardevelin>because -s is for apt-get
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23:51<dardevelin>that is why i said i was checking it
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23:52<dardevelin>yes it's the same
23:52<dardevelin>!aptitude -s
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23:52<zykotick9>ok, tried with apt-get instead - a bit more on target i think - says manual but get a "E: Handler silently failed"
23:52<dardevelin>i guess there is a way to make it more verbose
23:52<dardevelin>yeah i think apt-get can unmarkauto
23:53<dardevelin>that's aptitude specific
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23:53<zykotick9>dardevelin, ok, removed the -s, but apt-get remove evolution still wants to remove gnome-core?
23:54<dardevelin>sudo apt-get update b4 trying to remove it
23:54<dardevelin>so it re-checks the packages list
23:54<zykotick9>same
23:55<zykotick9>i'm unmarking both gnome-core and gnome-accessibility (as they are both mentioned for removal)
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23:56<dardevelin>ok, keep me posted, i'm still looking out there
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23:58<zykotick9>dardevelin, ok - i just removed both gnome-core and gnome-accessibility and now evolution can be removed (without removing anything else), so something we did worked
23:58<dardevelin>:D
23:58<zykotick9>perhaps from the beginning - i was just afraid to try remove gnome-core
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23:59<zykotick9>well, thanks for all your help dardevelin!
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23:59<dardevelin>well your welcome
23:59<dardevelin>:D
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