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00:04<zykotick9>dardevelin, fyi - don't know if this was a key step but there is a "aptitude keep-all" command that I issued, but not discussed in the channel
00:05<dardevelin>humm, maybe
00:06<dardevelin>hopefully// more people will come with same problem and i'll have the chance to try out different stuff :D
00:06<zykotick9>it's discussed http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=39045
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00:07<zykotick9>it's perhaps overkill, as it sets all packages to manually installed
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00:09<dardevelin>well but surely did the job :D
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02:11<emlen>could anybody help me to find howto manual for installing debian without installer?
02:11<emlen>from livecd
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02:15<jm_>from debian live or what?
02:15<jm_>or any other live cd?
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02:20<emlen>any
02:20<emlen>may be debian live
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02:21<jm_>read about debootstrap in the installation manual
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02:22<emlen>but, one litle problem - have to do it without coonection to internet
02:22<emlen>*connection
02:23<jm_>use appropriate media that contains packages you need -- http://www.debian.org/CD/live/
02:23<emlen>with bebootstrap?
02:24<emlen>thought it work only by net
02:24<emlen>pardon for my eng
02:24<jm_>these ones have both live (launcher) and install capabilities
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02:25<jm_>debootstrap can also use various methods to find packages
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02:26<emlen>Thank you for this discovery for me
02:26<jm_>no worries
02:28<emlen>wich live cd included debootstrap?
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02:29<lucid9>hello everyone, i have bootable ISO which has a folder with other ISOs in it, how do i remove this folder and make it a smaller iso?
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02:29<jm_>you have a list of packages for each ISO in the .packages files
02:30<jm_>follow the relevant amd64/i386 link on the page I gave you
02:30<emlen>just i'm a beginner
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02:31<lucid9>its from a DVD which was free with a magazine, they tend to pack everything together...i need a smaller iso
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02:32<lucid9>i have extracted the iso image using dd, can mount it as a loop device, but how do i go about removing the folder with the other ISOs? and then repacking it as a bootable ISO?
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02:33<emlen>excuse me
02:33<jm_>lucid9: you will have to generate a new ISO - man mkisofs
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02:34<lucid9>jm_: thanks, i am on it
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02:34<emlen>I have to generate a new ISO as a lucid9?
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02:35<jm_>lucid9: i.e. copy only the files you need or use -m/-exclude-list with mkisofs to operate on loop mounted dir
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02:35<jm_>f1 ms"
02:35<jm_>uff
02:35<jm_>emlen: no, messages that start with "lucid9:" are not for you
02:36<lucid9>jm_: so i mount the iso, then copy everything but the folder with other ISOs, than use mkisofs to create the new smaller iso?
02:36<jm_>lucid9: in essence yes, but you will also need to take care of boot stuff if you want it bootable
02:37<lucid9>jm_:yes i do want to make it bootable, so what should i be looking for?
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02:39<emlen>jm_: found /pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap-udeb_1.0.26+squeeze1_all.udeb, does it worked on live cd without any manipulations with PATH var, or others?
02:39<lucid9>the directory i want to delete is r-x for all users
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02:40<lucid9>my bad, the loop mounted iso is a ro filesystem
02:40<lucid9>read only
02:40<jm_>emlen: this shouldn't matter for the live usage - live CD-s typically have a large file with files already installed
02:40<jm_>lucid9: iso9660 fs is read-only anyway
02:41<lucid9>:)
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02:41<lucid9>little out of touch here
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02:41<lucid9>i am extracting it using archive manager
02:41<jm_>lucid9: check if it has isolinux dir or somesuch
02:41<lucid9>it does
02:41<lucid9>there is an isolinux directory
02:42<jm_>yeah so I suppose you can use -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat or somesuch
02:43<emlen>jm_:i'll try it and be back, could i?:)
02:43<jm_>checking if -isohybrid-mbr should be used is also worth it
02:43<jm_>emlen: why not?
02:43<emlen>thanks
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02:48<jm_>and you'll probably want to remove the skipped files from its menu
02:51<lucid9>true
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03:14<sekon_>Is there a command like debsign foo_version.dsc, but which generates dh_make like output for dsc files ..
03:15<sekon_>so that we can cd into the directory and use debuild to build the package ??
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03:21<jingfeihu>Is there an easy way to install mingw on debian 6?
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03:30<tale>jingfeihu: Have you tried apt-get install mingw32 ?
03:33<jingfeihu>tale, OK, i have tried. And it works. Thanks
03:33<jingfeihu>tale, by the way, is it enough to build a cross-compile environment?
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03:37<tale>jingfeihu: I guess so. You woould need to read /usr/share/doc/mingw32/ to know for sure.
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03:38<jingfeihu>OK. I have install these three packages: mingw32 ming32-runtime ming32-binutils
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03:40<tale>jingfeihu: If you do apt-get install mingw32, those other two packages are installed automatically with it.
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03:42<jingfeihu>tale, I'm sorry there is no useful docs under /usr/share/doc/mingw32
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03:45<tale>And now that jingfeihu left.
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04:03<nocturnal>I have a blu-ray burner that worked fine over USB a while ago, I burned two CDs. now it just stopped working. reboot of system has not helped. debian 6, it keeps giving these errors in dmesg regardless of what port I use. http://pastebin.com/wFjg0jPB
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04:04<nocturnal>I've tried running the usbid scan thing. I forgot the command now
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04:04<nocturnal>but the command that downloads a new usbid database.
04:04<nocturnal>didn't help though.
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04:04<nocturnal>and the device it used before /dev/sr1 won't show up anymore.
04:05<jm_>that's only used to show different info in lsusb output, it won't help an issue like this one
04:05<nocturnal>/dev/sr0 is the builtin dvd burner.
04:05<nocturnal>lsusb shows nothing plugged in
04:05<nocturnal>strange
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04:05<nocturnal>maybe it broke
04:05<nocturnal>I'm gonna try it in my laptop first to see if it still works
04:05<jm_>right, try it on another system
04:07<nocturnal>interesting, my mac os shows a similar error.
04:07<nocturnal>USBF: 89582.523 [0xffffff800bf9ec00] The IOUSBFamily was not able to enumerate a device.
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04:07<Zaba>nocturnal, so it seems like it's died
04:07<nocturnal>jesus, it's a month old!
04:07<nocturnal>used twice
04:08<nocturnal>I bet someone kicked it, I had to keep it under my desk at work
04:08<jm_>maybe it's your USB enclosure and not the unit
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04:08<Zaba>yeah, it could be that (helpful only if you can separate the two)
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04:09<nocturnal>that means opening the plastic case, it's portable, and trying to replace the usb connector it's connected to
04:09<nocturnal>most likely it's just sata inside
04:09<nocturnal>and I could buy a converter
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04:14<nocturnal>I'll just wait until my manager who brought it in comes back, it's safer to just return it for a new one from the store.
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05:23<mvdwege>hi. NetworkManager under GnomeShell overwrites my default route when starting an OpenVPN tunnel
05:23<mvdwege>Setting it to ipv4 adresses only doesn't help
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05:23<jingfeihu>hi, when I type dpkg-architecture -w32-i386, it throws such errro: unknown Debian architecture w32-i386, you must specify GNU system type, too at /usr/bin/dpkg-architecture line 144. So how to fix this? I followed http://wiki.njh.eu/Cross_Compiling_for_Win32
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05:25<DzambazoT>hi all
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05:25<DzambazoT>can sommone to tell me something about head computer at school:
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05:26<jm_>jingfeihu: this page doesn't mention such command
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05:26<mvdwege>(this is on Sid, BTW)
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05:26<jingfeihu>jm_, Under Adding a custom architecture to dpkg-architecture
05:27<jm_>jingfeihu: the command is dpkg-architecture -aw32-i386
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05:28<jingfeihu>jm_, oops, I make a mistake.But same error happened
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05:28<jm_>jingfeihu: you need to edit a file to add it
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05:29<jingfeihu>How? I must go outside to pick up my gf
05:29<jingfeihu>jm_, wait for a second
05:30<mvdwege>I've tried setting never-default=true in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/<configfile>
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05:30<mvdwege>but that does not do anything, and gets overwritten when ever I start nm-connection-editor
05:32<Nik05>guys if i install memtest86 does it automatically add it self to the bootmenu?
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05:33<jm_>Nik05: if you are using grub2 then yes
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05:44<jingfeihu>jm_, i'm back. Do you have any ideas how to fix that?
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05:50<jingfeihu>jm_, how to add it to file /usr/bin/architecture?
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06:09<Joy>i'm guessing this is an FAQ but google is giving me conflicting results - does our grub 2 now support gpt partition layout without jumping through hoops?
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06:11<frigidol_>is there anyone here using pam_mysql module. I need help configuring it. i got error FAILED LOGIN (1) on '/dev/pts/4' FOR 'spencer', Permission denied
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06:12<Avve>hello people around the world
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06:16<_Qman>Hello, I got a little issue with NFS client on Debian 6, to force NFS to run in version 2, is it still nfsvers=2 in fstab?
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06:17<jm_>jingfeihu: the page tells you which file to edit
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06:17<jm_>Joy: what hops?
06:18<Joy>jm_: in the meantime i found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS_Boot_partition
06:19<jingfeihu>jm_, you mean /usr/bin/architecture 144?This line is just where the error message is printed.
06:19<Joy>my other question would be - can parted resize lvm partitions?
06:20<Joy>looks like it can
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06:20<jm_>jingfeihu: no, the page says /usr/share/dpkg/ostable but maybe you should not do this if you find it hard to follow these instructions
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06:21<jingfeihu>jm_, yes, i have edited /usr/share/dpkg/ostable.
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06:23<Avve>hello everybody, what is happening?
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06:31<Avve>whats up everybody?
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06:32<cthuluh>!offtopic > Avve
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06:49<shanks>is there a wordpress channel on this network or anywhere else?
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06:50<shanks>ahh i see there is one on freenode
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06:57<Bea>holaa
06:58-!-ANFDRREARBNGVZBHJGSDFBNMCGKJVB [~andrea@95.63.80.133] has joined #debian
06:58<Bea>hola
06:59<ANFDRREARBNGVZBHJGSDFBNMCGKJVB>hola
06:59<Bea>illa vaya nombrecito hija mia
06:59<ANFDRREARBNGVZBHJGSDFBNMCGKJVB>te a guantas
06:59<ANFDRREARBNGVZBHJGSDFBNMCGKJVB>...
06:59<Bea>-.-
06:59<ANFDRREARBNGVZBHJGSDFBNMCGKJVB> <3
06:59<Bea>te via deci lo mismo que tu ami por tuenti
06:59<Bea>mala
06:59<ANFDRREARBNGVZBHJGSDFBNMCGKJVB>...
06:59<themill>!es-social Bea, ANFDRREARBNGVZBHJGSDFBNMCGKJVB
06:59<dpkg>Bea, ANFDRREARBNGVZBHJGSDFBNMCGKJVB: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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07:00<Bea>quien es bittin
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07:00<ANFDRREARBNGVZBHJGSDFBNMCGKJVB>no se
07:00<ANFDRREARBNGVZBHJGSDFBNMCGKJVB>...
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07:00<bittin->Bea, wtf?
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07:11<emlen>so, try to boot from debian-live-6.0.3-i386-rescue, but get lot of messages as "buffer i/o on device sr0", what can i do?
07:12<henr_k_>get a new disk
07:12<emlen>it's a second one
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07:15<henr_k_>yes, it will boot from the livecd, but it sounds like a flaky disk that can crap out anytime. If it has smart-capabilities, install smartmontools and run a "smartctl -a /dev/sr0"
07:15<emlen>when i type #debootstrap -> command not found
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07:16<emlen>wow, foget sudo
07:16<emlen>:)
07:16<Nik05>:)
07:18<emlen>please, give me a string of debootstrap command to install basic system fmom cd install media...
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07:24<emlen>did anybody hear/understand me?
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07:25<dba>did you read man debootstrap?
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07:26<cthuluh>emlen: sr0 sounds like a cd/dvd drive, btw
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07:26<pron>sr0 shoudl be cdrom
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07:36<emlen>dba:yes, but i need help with it;)
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07:48<Nik05>how do i check cpu temp etc?
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07:48<cthuluh>find /proc/ /sys/ -name '*temp*'
07:49<Nik05>gives: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.0/0000:02:00.0/hwmon/hwmon0/temp1_input
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07:50<cthuluh>maybe this file contains information, then
07:50<Nik05>its around 64500
07:50<cthuluh>maybe could you be more specific about your specific need, also
07:51<Nik05>what about lm-sensors?
07:51<cthuluh>http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/327
07:51<Nik05>yeah reading that now
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07:53<themill>"acpi -t" might suffice
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07:58<Nik05>it works :D
07:59<Nik05>but it says +5V is at 2.96V.... :S
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08:04<lev>hi
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08:05<lev>anyone here
08:05<Nik05>alwasys
08:06<lev>haha
08:07<Nik05>?
08:07<lev>what are u guys doing here?
08:07<Nik05>im sitting
08:07<cthuluh>waiting for you to ask a question about how to use your debian system better
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08:09<lev>oh,thank you,if I have a question,I do let u know
08:09<lev>now I m using the crunch linux
08:09<Nik05>guys what is an applet in Gnome Panel...? :P
08:12<themill>lev: perhaps you were looking for #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net
08:12<lev>crunchbang is based on debian,isnt it
08:15<themill>lev: sure, but we have no idea about how it's set up or what they've changed. We help debian users here.
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08:18<shanks>postfix v exim. thoughts?
08:19<cthuluh>troll
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08:19<shanks>cthuluh: no serious question. I use exim, have done for years. noticed that postfix is the default on a few other linux distros. wondered if it's worth me taking a look at
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08:22<cthuluh>shanks: I've mostly used postfix and have always been happy with it. if you're ok with the "small" licence restriction, then yes, take a look at it
08:23<JanVB>shanks: my 2 cents is postfix configuration is much clearer than exim. but that's just my 2 cents
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08:23<shanks>cthuluh: not that I want to look elsewhere, but sendmail is a bit of a mare.. exim is better.. just wondered if postfix is better still. there must be some reason why other people use it as a default
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08:23<shanks>JanVB, cthuluh thanks for the feedback. will have a play
08:23<MrFrood>does not the Debian newbiedoc suggest using Postfix?
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08:24<babilen>!tell shanks -about mta comparison
08:24<babilen>shanks: Probably hasn't been updated in some time, but you'll get an idea.
08:25<shanks>babilen: thanks for that. :)
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08:35<XeonBloomfield>Hello
08:35<XeonBloomfield>How can I set "reverse DNS"?
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08:36<jose>olaaa
08:36<nuriita>olaa que guay es estoo no¡¡
08:36<OdyX>!ubuntu-es
08:36<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
08:37<nuriita>quien eress?
08:37<jose>k kieres mierda
08:37<jose>soy jose
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08:37<nuriita>tu noooooooooooooooooo el OdyX
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08:37<jose>olaa
08:37<nuriita>Olaa zyga
08:37-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@84.236.247.61] by ChanServ
08:38<themill>!es-social nuriita, jose:
08:38<dpkg>nuriita, jose:: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
08:38<zyga>nuriita, hi
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08:44<ioriveur>Hi
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08:46<ioriveur>I'm using tmux, and running vim on it.
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08:47<ioriveur>What I wanna know is: how to unset t_Co option in vim.
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08:48<ioriveur>i tried: set t_Co or set no t_Co, but it cant be recognized.
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08:50<jm_>shouldn't it be "set not_Co"?
08:50<jm_>but anyway, have to run now
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08:51<ioriveur_>I did, but it was invalid.....
08:51<MrFrood>ioriveur_: if no luck here try #vim on freenode
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08:52<xcb567>Is there a quick fix to get rid of this gnome shell thingy and get a normal desktop back?
08:52<ioriveur>Ok, I will. Thanks.
08:52<xcb567>Currently running wheezy and literally felt raped w/ this last update :O
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08:54<OdyX>xcb567: this doesn't help. You're using testing, so now you should take your walker's stick and actually help making things better.
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08:55<ioriveur>r u using gdm?
08:55<ioriveur>r u using gdm? xcb567
08:56<xcb567>OdyX: I know that, just bad mood with such a visual change w/o warning :O
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08:56<xcb567>ioriveur: yup
08:56<OdyX>xcb567: if it's in testing, it means it was in unstable, at least during ten days. That's "warning".
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08:56<zykotick9>xcb567, have you tried fallback mode from gdm? If that doesn't fill your requirements, then the common advice seems to be install xfce. If you really want gnome2 - squeeze is the way to go.
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08:57<ioriveur>try xmonad lol
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08:58<xcb567>Thanks zykotick9 :)
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09:07<viliny>hello
09:07<viliny>any idea why my alsamixer doesn't work?
09:07<viliny>http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=96dd1b62d4dcb783d177365cadc886d143424ff6
09:08<viliny>alsamixer
09:08<viliny>cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
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09:09<mbr>viliny: are you sure you got alsamixer installed?
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09:09<viliny>i have alsa-base and alsa-utils installed
09:10<viliny>as far as i know alsa-utils contains alsamixer
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09:10<viliny>i'll do a reinstall of debian
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09:11<viliny>fought with my other sound card and this installation may be a bit damaged in the alsa region after all the troubleshooting
09:12<idiot103>hi, i have migrated from ubuntu, and i was wondering if there is any way i could boost the master sound to 150% like in debian
09:12<idiot103>i have alsa, and installed pulseaudio, but no difference...
09:13<idiot103>no natter what, the applet is limited at 100% and now the sound is the same as in windows :(
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09:15<idiot103>i'm on squeeze 6.0.3 .... and google isn't helping
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09:18<babilen>idiot103: I'd use pavucontrol for that
09:18<idiot103>that stinks
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09:19<idiot103>i had it for equalizer and it screwed my sound
09:19<idiot103>had glitches everywhere
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09:19<idiot103>at least doesn't work well with my sound card, but thanks
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10:04<benjr>do the logitech wireless mice/keyboards that use the unifying wireless usb dongles work on linux?
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10:04<benjr>google gives me mixed results
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10:06<flor>benjr: from what I heard you only need a supported OS to pair the mouse/keyboard with the receiver
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10:08<Cire3>Anyone have a fair time I should expect someone to charge me to setup a Debain rsync server ?
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10:08<Cire3>Full install Debain and rsync
10:08<benjr>flor, so do that once then connect to a linux box?
10:09<querier>hello there. how to resolve dependencies automatically, when apt-get does not do that? e.g. im trying to install ubiquity and there are unmet dependencies.
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10:11<Marijn>Hi there
10:11<flor>benjr: see http://www.logitech.com/images/pdf/roem/Unifying_QA_IT_business_managers_7709_EMEA.pdf it contains info about using them on linux
10:11<kop>querier: If you don't know the answer to that then you probably should not be doing it. See http;//wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware footnote 1.
10:11<flor>benjr: I didn't test them myself though
10:11<Marijn>I'm trying to find out what the preferred way is to upgrade my default PHP5.2.X install for lenny
10:12<Marijn>I've seen a lot of dotdeb.org mentions
10:12<kop>Marijn: The preferred way is to upgrade to squeeze.
10:12<Marijn>however, I want to assure myself that is the way to go
10:12<Marijn>Unfortunately I'm on Lenny due to other issues :-(
10:12<flor>benjr: I would expect the device to keep the pairing at least until it's batteries die
10:12<kop>Marijn: You might also benefit from he "footnote 1" link above.
10:13<kop>Marijn: Is there nothing in backports for lenny?
10:13<Marijn>there is in dotdeb.org
10:13<Marijn>i'm completely new to debian by the way. Moved from centos
10:13<benjr>flor, im looking at this one specifically http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/k750-keyboard?wt.mc_id=global_pr-k750_redirect_112010
10:13<Marijn>so forgive my noobishness
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10:13<themill>dotdeb :(
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10:15<kop>Marijn: Then you do want to read that wiki page, being new. See also the <stable> factoid. (type "/msg dpkg stable" in your irc client. Also "/msg dpkg dpkgbot" might be helpful.)
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10:16<kop>Marijn: But that does not answer your question. I don't know what the answer is.
10:16<Marijn>kop, thanks for being helpful
10:16<Marijn>looking into backports now
10:16<Marijn>and the FAQ you mentioned
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10:17<kop>Marijn: You could tell us exactly what the problem is and maybe we can help solve it, instead of asking how to impliment your solution.
10:18<Marijn>kop, I would like to upgrade my PHP 5.2.6 installation (that came bundled with Lenny) to the latest PHP 5.3.8
10:18<kop>Marijn: Because? And why not upgrade to squeeze?
10:19<kop>,versions php
10:19<judd>No package named 'php' was found in i386.
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10:19<Marijn>I'm running openpanel which works best with Lenny
10:20<kop>!free whcp
10:20<dpkg>FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels
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10:22<kop>Marijn: FWIW I find those control panels to be worse than useless. First you need to figure out how the underlying software works. Normally you'd be done then, but with a control panel you _then_ need to figure out the control panel. And I've never seen the facility for leaving yourself documentation so you can write down why you made some change so that you can figure things out a year later. With a text based config that's painless.
10:22<Marijn>That's why we've selected openpanel. It's transparent enough for us to mind our on business in the normal configuration files.
10:23<kop>Marijn: I suppose they're ok if you just want to poke things with a stick until they work, but that's a dangerous approach to being a sysadmin.
10:23<blast007>Marijn: the open panel site says it supports squeeze
10:23<Marijn>However, it does provide our clients with a nice interface for managing the most basic of things
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10:23<kop>Marijn: Maybe the openpanel people have a suggestion?
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10:24<Marijn>They mostly advice to follow the default routes, hence I came here :-)
10:24<Marijn>I guess I'll first investigate upgrading to squeeze
10:24<themill>seeing as lenny only has 3 months of security support left, now really is the time to be putting your lenny->squeeze upgrade plans into action
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10:26<Marijn>Ok. So. I guess my question would be: how can I upgrade from lenny to squeeze? is that rather transparent process? I definitely don't want to run out of security support in three months
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10:27<kop>Marijn: For that you read the squeeze release notes. They are very detailed regarding upgrade instructions.
10:27<Marijn>cheers
10:27<kop>Marijn: Available straight from debian.org.
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10:29<wald0>how i can add an init script ? (testing), the traditional way seems to not work, i need some special header parameter or something like that ?
10:29<kop>!insserv
10:29<dpkg>insserv is a dependency-based <init> system that is compatible with <sysvinit> and is the default from squeeze onwards. To use insserv, your init scripts need to have tags at the top of them that describe what they depend on, to permit the correct ordering of the init scripts; ask me about <missing lsb tags>.
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10:30<kop>wald0: There's also a readme in /usr/share/doc/insserv*
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10:30<kop>wald0: And a man page.
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10:32<wald0>how good is paralel booting ?
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11:01<carsten>hi
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11:01<carsten>#lol
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11:09<qxt>Im on a 2600 SB. Using a lot of AES. Was wondering why I don't see the aesni-intel module loaded. Using Linux 3.0.0-1-amd64
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11:11<qxt>I do see a "aes" under /etc/proc but afaik that is not using the cpu's built in AES-NI dsp
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11:20<qxt>hmm... I would think under /proc/crypto I should see "aesni-intel" is loaded if the kernel supports this...amirite?
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11:24<ompaul>I have a directory (/mail/()) which contains many sub directories for my individual users, however some of them commit crimes against the disk, by sending overly large emails and so on and recieving them and not filing the contents. What I want to do is find all the files over 1meg in size, while keeping in mind that lots of the directories are hidden. My brain appears to have switched off I can't think of any way to even think about this.
11:25<ompaul>help()
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11:25<qxt>crickets ....
11:26<rudi_s>ompaul: find
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11:26<rudi_s>*man find
11:26<ompaul>rudi_s: I guess so.
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11:27<rudi_s>ompaul: find -size +1M ...
11:28<ompaul>yeap, thanks
11:28<rudi_s>np
11:29<ompaul>brain is really slow today.
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11:37<Iris>hi
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12:10<__Alex_>Is there a way i can detect and mesure the numbers of colors in a terminal? (I do a lot of porting, and that pops out dialog boxes every now and then, so i want to setup a script, that will mesure the collors on the terminal, and play a sound when aa dialog box appears)
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12:13<melmothX>__Alex_ tput colors
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12:13<ada>is there any one to help me?
12:14<melmothX>ada: if you mind asking the question, possibly
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12:15<ada>where can i set connection speed in debian?
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12:16<sney>connection speed? like your ethernet speed/duplex? you can use ethtool for that
12:16<ada>with lan working fast but wifi is to slow
12:16<sney>wifi speed is dependent on signal
12:16<sney>move closer to your AP
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12:16<sney>also, wifi is a lot slower than wired by nature. the fastest wifi offers about 10% of the bandwidth of gigabit ethernet
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12:17<sney>actually 5% if we're talking full duplex gigabit
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12:17<grove>You can't change it, but wavemon can show you what speed you're currently connected at
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12:19<jhutchins_lt>sney: Doesn't wifi do full-duplex?
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12:19<sney>jhutchins_lt: 802.11n full-duplex tops out at 108Mbit
12:20<tweek>is there any tool in debian that allows me to spin down usb harddisks?
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12:25<tamir>hi all
12:25<retrospectacus>hello
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12:26<tamir>intel core i3 cpu 64bit?
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12:27<Torsten_W>tamir, yes
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12:28<tamir>its same amd64 install ubuntu
12:28<tamir>??
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12:28<Torsten_W>tamir, here is debian, not ubuntu
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12:28<tamir>my laptop is intel core i3 64 bit
12:28<Torsten_W>and?
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12:30<XeonBloomfield_>Hello!
12:31<MrFrood>tamir: amd64 refers to the 64 bit extensions developed by amd but also used by intel
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12:31<XeonBloomfield_>Does someone know good RSS reader with notifications on screen?
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12:33<tamir>can i download and anstall 64bit version?
12:33<tamir>debian
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12:34<MrFrood>tamir: yes
12:34<tamir>ty
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12:35<XeonBloomfield_>Does "Liferea" has on screen notifications?
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12:36<roberto>hello i need help but it inst with debian, :S i m looking for help here because in the channel of guadalinex there insnt users
12:37<roberto>xd
12:37<themill>roberto: try #guadalinex on irc.freenode.net
12:37<retrospectacus>we only know debian, sorry
12:37<roberto>in guadalinex there isnt anybody
12:38<MrFrood>roberto: you did try the freenode server?
12:38<roberto>im going to do this
12:38<roberto>thanks
12:38<roberto>and sorry
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12:41<ada>thanks for help
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12:42<babilen>roberto: You could also install Debian
12:42<babilen>!tell roberto about install debian
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12:45<roberto>omg, in the channel of guadalinex anybody is writing or anuthing
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12:50<roberto>who help me with guadalinex (dont say go to channel guadalinex because there isnt anybody there)
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12:51<jhutchins_lt>roberto: Perhaps you should install a distribution with better support, such as Debian.
12:51<evileft>may i ask a question here please?
12:51<jhutchins_lt>evileft: As long as it's about Debian.
12:52<evileft>ofc it is
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12:52<evileft>it has to do with an error i'm getting while trying to compile something
12:52<evileft>second..
12:52<evileft>it has to do with bash
12:53<evileft>getting that error exactly
12:53<retrospectacus>just ask
12:53<evileft>bash linux
12:53<evileft>bash: linux: No such file or directory
12:53<evileft>and that one happened on linux64 too
12:54<evileft>from what i understand it has to do something with interpreter or something?
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12:54<retrospectacus>evileft: what are you trying to do?
12:54<falken>hi all you sexy people
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12:55<Guest16269>Total noob here... is this the xubuntu support chat?
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12:55<evileft>i want to use a specific compiler which is not free and called miracl
12:55<sney>!ubuntuirc Guest16269
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12:55<dpkg>Guest16269: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
12:56<babilen>Guest16269: No, you want #ubuntu or #xubuntu on irc.freenode.net -- This is #debian and supports Debian :)
12:56<Guest16269>thanks so much
12:56<Guest16269>the pre-installed chat client seems to come straight here
12:56<Guest16269>thanks bye
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12:56<roberto>-.-
12:57<evileft>i'm using last debian but cant understand why i get that error
12:57<Cire3>Any way to get an idea how long a job should be ? Debain / Rsync Install Roughly ?
12:57<retrospectacus>evileft: why do you type "bash linux" ? That would work if there is a file called "linux" in your current directory, otherwise it means nothing
12:57<roberto>bye bye,and thanks to anybody, bitches
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12:57<babilen>Cire3: Are you asking how long you can expect a Debian installation to take?
12:58<evileft>yes i know i already do a locate and find it via when it needed to be under usr/bin/ but still getting that one
12:59<evileft>i just wondering if that is a bug of debian on general if i'm doing something wrong etc
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12:59<evileft>the processor support 64
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12:59<babilen>evileft: What is this "linux" file? What are you trying to do? What do you think running "bash linux" would accomplish?
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13:02<evileft>i mean that one file stored into /usr/bin/linux i tried to get there with pico and find the problem
13:04<retrospectacus>evileft: try "bash /usr/bin/linux" I guess. Sounds like you're trying to do something insane though
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13:04<evileft>retrospectacus, not really ofc
13:05<babilen>evileft: Where did you get that file? What are you expecting it to do?
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13:06<evileft>that file is on every linux ofc
13:06<retrospectacus>nope
13:06<cybersphinx>Isn't /usr/bin/linux user mode linux? Why would you want to run that with bash?
13:06<babilen>evileft: What are you trying to do? Are you, mayhaps, referring to linux32 and linux64 as shipped in the util-linux package?
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13:08<evileft>babilen, can you be a bit more specific please? and thank you very much from your time appreciated
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13:12<babilen>evileft: And this "miracl" compiler related to /usr/bin/linux in which way? You have to realise that we know nothing about miracl and how it might be related to /usr/bin/linux -- Where is that file from? If it is indeed a bash script you can execute it with "bash /usr/bin/linux" or assuming that the hashbang (#!/bin/bash) is set correctly even with "linux"
13:13<retrospectacus>evileft: we need more information about what you are trying to do. Debian does not include any /usr/bin/linux - it does have linux32 and linux64 directories there, but ofc you cannot run them with bash
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13:14<evileft>yes 32 and 64 depends from what i understand the cpu you have if it is 32 or 64 bit
13:15<cybersphinx>retrospectacus: I have /usr/bin/linux, it's an alternative pointing to /usr/bin/linux.uml, which is user mode linux.
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13:15<retrospectacus>upon closer inspection they are not directories but both are /usr/bin/setarch
13:15<babilen>evileft: Why do you want to run those commands? Please explain what you are trying to achieve ... You can just execute those commands with "linux32" or "linux64" -- Given that these are not bash scripts, you don't need bash. Are you following some tutorial/documentation that you could link? Is miracl http://www.shamus.ie/index.php?page=Downloads ? Do *they* provide support for their software?
13:16<evileft>yes babilen both
13:16<themill>evileft: would you be more comfortable seeking help in a different language? There's a #debian.gr on irc.freenode.net that might be able to help.
13:17<retrospectacus>cybersphinx: ok. "apt-file search /usr/bin/linux" does show /usr/bin/linux.uml for user-mode-linux, but not /usr/bin/linux
13:18<evileft>hm.. nice as idea gonna helps a lot gonna stay here too
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13:18<babilen>http://www.shamus.ie/uploads/File/readme fwiw
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13:19<student>babilen, yes i had tried what i want to compile with ubuntu and red hat without problem so just wondering if it is a bug or something not sure
13:19<babilen>student: I guess that the "MIRACL.ZIP" contains a "linux" and "linux64" script that you can execute from *within the unpacked zip* -- But you might want to contact miracl for support of their software.
13:19<babilen>student: How exactly is this related to Debian? Which operating system are you using?
13:20<student>last debian
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13:20<student>offcial
13:21<babilen>student: So, unpack the zip and check if they ship a "linux" and/or "linux64" script.
13:21<student>i had already did that
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13:22<babilen>student: You missed "miracl/lib/linux" and "miracl/lib/linux64" then --- I guess that these two files are what the README refers to.
13:22<student>maybe be a problem with miracl not sure anyways i'll try to find more infos why i get that error
13:23<retrospectacus>student: the error is simple. There is no file "linux" for bash to run. You need to "cd" to where that file is.
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13:24<babilen>student: Please read the readme.txt in the miracl3.zip -- In particular the "To build the standard library on a standard OS, dump all of the MIRACL files ..." and following paragraphs. Please also contact them for support. I will not dive into this further as it has clearly nothing to do with Debian.
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13:26<student>yes i know ofc i know just trying to understand whats wrong as i already did that works with red had and ubuntu but i have decide to move into debian let me search more
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13:27<Kirsten>Does anyone know a good hardware channel in here ?
13:27<student>do /list
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13:27<petemc>Kirsten: ##hardware on freenode
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13:28<Kirsten>thanks petemc
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13:41<jeff007> bonsoir , pourriez vous m'indiquer les droits à affecter pour un répertoire /etc/openvpn/chroot ... j'ai créé un user et groupe openvpn ... dédiés au processus openvpn ... J'ai pensé à chown -R openvpn:openvpn /etc/openvpn/chroot ... Qu'en pensez vous?
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13:41<retro|blah>!fr
13:41<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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13:43<jeff007>ho excuse me ...
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13:49<student>!gr
13:49<dpkg>Gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el (irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net). For help in Greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el (irc.oftc.net or irc.freenode.net).
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13:54<user>xserver-xorg or xserver-xorg-core?
13:55<user>I need install X
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13:58<student4eva>mentor, you probably have 'em both
13:58<mentor>Not me
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14:04<student4eva>mentor, if you have debian you probably have 'em both
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14:04<mentor>student4eva: He's not me
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14:04<student4eva>i cant understand english please
14:05<retrospectacus>Guest16299: if you have debian you probably have 'em both
14:05<retrospectacus>student4eva: ^^
14:05<Guest16299>retrospectacus: minimal install
14:05<Guest16299>i will use xserver-xorg
14:06<retrospectacus>great
14:06<student4eva>install it then
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14:10<alex_>identyfy
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14:16<gdb>xserver-xorg is the X server, xserver-xorg-core are all the drivers for various video cards -- xserver-xorg depends on xserver-xorg-core to run. xserver-xorg-core won't do anything useful without xserver-xorg installed as well.
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14:17<alexander>hey
14:17<alexander>watsup
14:17<student4eva>busy you?
14:18<alexander>no
14:18<gdb>Actually, that's wrong. xserver-xorg is just a config utility for X using debconf (in looking at the package contents). Anyway, install that, and it will pull in core. :-)
14:19<alexander>hm
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14:23<valdyn>xserver-xorg is a metapackage, it contains nothing but dependencies
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14:24<valdyn>uh, almost
14:24<ompaul>apt-cache show xserver-xorg for those who need to look inside :)
14:25<ompaul>apt-cache policy xserver-xorg for those who need to see if it is installed:)
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15:01<shanks>valdyn: what's the difference between a transitional package, meta package and virtual package? I get confused.
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15:03<shanks>uh on. W: Duplicate sources.list entry ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_binary-amd64_Packages)... and I have.. but still same error. something borked?
15:03<valdyn>shanks: a transitional package is a package that contains nothing but a dependency on a new package to ensure smooth transitioning to a new name
15:04<shanks>erm sorry it says run apt-get update, and i have but same error
15:04<valdyn>shanks: a metapackage is one that contains only dependencies
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15:04<valdyn>shanks: a virtual package isnt a package, its something listed in the "Provides:" field of one or more packages
15:04<shanks>valdyn: ah so the transitional package is most likely the 'old' name?
15:05<valdyn>shanks: yes, its the old name
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15:05<shanks>I get it. cool
15:05<shanks>erm something seems to have gone a bit screwy with my apt. when i do apt-get update it gives the above error.
15:05<valdyn>shanks: like exim4 might provide "mail-transport-agent". Thats something a package can depend on, but you cant install it
15:06<shanks>valdyn: oh I see. so it provides functionality rather than a specific tool/package
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15:06<valdyn>shanks: thats what its used for, yes
15:06<valdyn>shanks: to depend on a feature, not a specific package
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15:07<valdyn>shanks: the dependency will usually be something like "<packagename> | <virtual package>", which can be resolved automatically
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15:09<shanks>valdyn: what role does a metapackage serve since a normal package can contain dependencies. is it so a dependeny chain can be re-used?
15:09<valdyn>shanks: xorg is a meta-package with the sole purpose of making installing X easy, "apt-get install xorg"
15:10<shanks>valdyn: Oh OK. So it's just a bit like tasksel
15:10<valdyn>shanks: yes
15:10<valdyn>shanks: same for kde, gnome etc
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15:12<shanks>valdyn: I don't suppose you have any idea on that apt error above whilst you're at it? ;)
15:13<valdyn>shanks: it means you have 2 identical entries in /etc/apt/sources.list
15:13<shanks>valdyn: I had a look in my sources.list and couldn't see two identicakl ones
15:13<valdyn>shanks: maybe /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
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15:13<shanks>valdyn: ah.. I did run apt-spy..
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15:16<shanks>yup. that did it.
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15:26<shanks>a friend was saying today that he was looking for a rolling distro. I'm sure I heard that Debian were looking at that as a possibility for the future, any update on this?
15:27<sney>!cut
15:27<dpkg>[cut] an utility to remove sections from each line of files, part of <coreutils>, or "constantly usable testing", ask me about <debian cut>.
15:27<sney>blargh
15:27<sney>!debian cut
15:27<dpkg>"Constantly Usable Testing" (CUT) is a proposal to make a rolling branch of Debian. See the proposal: http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ and the discussion: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/09/msg00502.html . http://cut.debian.net/
15:28<shanks>Oh nice. Thanks sney.
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15:36<kain88>Hi I have a problem with the gnome3 update in testing today. The normal gnome3 session only says "something has gone wrong" and offers to log out when I try to start it. The Fallback session works. 'gnome-shell --replace' in the fallback session results in a segfault
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15:40<ml|>kain88: wheezy/sid: #debian-next
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15:42<shanks>,kernel
15:42<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-6); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
15:43<AgentC_>Ich mag windows vista nicht :)
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15:44<agentc>kill bill
15:44<agentc>:)
15:44<agentc>!bill
15:44<dpkg>from memory, bill is a dork, or see xbill
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15:45<nik_>I accidentally upgraded to GNOME 3
15:45<nik_>how can I go back to what I was at before?
15:45<ompaul>!downgrade
15:45<dpkg>[downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
15:45<ml|>shanks: use /msg judd ...
15:45<nik_>uhhh
15:46<agentc>dpkg: killbill is the best way for a new way of better operation systems like debian for public :)
15:46<dpkg>...but killbill is already something else...
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15:46<agentc>dpkg: killbill is also the best way for a new way of better operation systems like debian for public :)
15:46<dpkg>okay, agentc
15:46<ompaul>nik_: /msg dpkg partial downgrade << that might give you some hope
15:46<kevin__>Hi
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15:47<agentc>Hi kevin__
15:47<agentc>!killbill
15:47<dpkg>i heard killbill is http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/551.html, or the best way for a new way of better operation systems like debian for public :)
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15:47<nik_>oh man this is bad
15:47<nik_>how do I even change appearance in gnome 3?
15:48<nik_>there is no appearance option...
15:48<kevin__>Most of you probably don't know me as I am normally in the linux mint chat but I have loaded debain on a IBM X60 and could do with some help
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15:48<kevin__>agentc, hi
15:48<ml|>kevin__: /msg dpkg ask
15:48<sney>kevin__: actual debian or lmde? we don't support the latter
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15:48<aracon>nik_: gnome-tweak-tool
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15:49<aracon>nik_: or you could use the gnome3 fallback mode
15:49<kevin__>I have by mistake 2.30.2
15:49<agentc>!sney
15:49<nik_>fallback mode?
15:50<aracon>nik_: perhaps http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gnome-3-fallback.html will help
15:50<agentc>dpkg: sney is a dpkg-database deleter ;-)
15:50<dpkg>agentc: okay
15:50<kevin__>I did a USB install from unebootin and it did not download the newer version
15:50<sney>kevin__: slow down, make sense. what are you trying to do?
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15:51<kevin__>I have a IBM Thinkpad x60
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15:51<kevin__>and have mistakenly downloaded debian but an older version
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15:51<MrFrood>kevin__: which version of debian are you trying to install?
15:51<aracon>kevin__: define "older version"
15:52<kevin_>eek, might as well just watch I suppose
15:52<nik_>yeah I don't have a fallback mode option
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15:52<kevin__>I am trying to upgrade to the newest 32 bit gnome
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15:52<nik_>in my graphics tab
15:52<kevin__>as it is suppose to work well with this IBM thinkpad
15:52<MrFrood>kevin__: we need to know which oldder version?
15:53<kevin_>why not update the whole debian install first if it's older?
15:53<kevin__>I am using at the moment 2.30.2 so it tells me lol
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15:53<kevin_>debian isn't just gnome
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15:54<aracon>nik_: perhaps the fallback mode has been removed in gnome 3.2
15:54<ml|>isn't 2.30 the version in squeeze?
15:54<MrFrood>kevin_: ehats the output of `cat /etc/debian_version'
15:54<kevin__>well guys I have formatted the usb drive and when I boot into it with the bios set to boot from USB it ignores it and goes straight into the debian I am using now
15:55<aracon>ml|: i think you're right
15:55<nik_>fuuuuuu
15:55<kevin__>sorry to be slow in typing this jelly bean in the middle of the keyboard gets in the way
15:55<nik_>this sucks so hard
15:55<aracon>kevin__: most likely you installed squeeze und gnome 2.30.2 is the right version
15:55<agentc>could anyone introduce me to setup a saa7134 tv-card ?
15:55<MrFrood>kevin__: are you using a livecdd image?
15:56<aracon>nik_: you could try https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GNOME#Enabling_fallback_mode
15:56<kevin__>Hmm
15:56<aracon>kevin__: you expected gnome 3.2?
15:56<kevin__>I thought it would have the same structure as Linux mint 10 which I use on my other PC
15:56<kevin__>seems not
15:56<shanks>are package updates from squeeze-backports automatic via apt-get upgrade, or do I need to do something else?
15:56<ml|>this gnome3 talk should go to #debian-next
15:57<valdyn>shanks: this is documented at backports.org
15:57<shanks>valdyn: cool. thanks.
15:57<nik_>let's see if that worked
15:57<valdyn>shanks: backports.debian.org rather
15:58<MrFrood>kevin__: we can only help you if you answer some of the questions asked
15:58<kevin__>everything works OK but the wifi will not connect and I was reading in the forums that debian works perfect with the IBM x60
15:58<kevin__>MrFrood, I have
15:58<valdyn>kevin__: this is a support channel
15:58<kevin__>thats what I need !!
15:59<MrFrood>kevin__: output of `cat /etc/debian_version'
15:59<shanks>valdyn: I see the policy changed between lenny and squeeze. that's why I was confused.
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15:59<valdyn>shanks: yep
15:59<kevin__>it says version 2.30.2
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16:00<valdyn>kevin__: you have latest debian/stable release
16:00<aracon>kevin__: well i don't think that 2.30.2 is your debian version ;)
16:00<agentc>!sney
16:00<dpkg>somebody said sney was always a database deleter :)
16:00<valdyn>kevin__: using testing or unstable is not supported here
16:00<kevin__>could someone be help me get the wifi working please
16:00<themill>agentc: you can stop that any time you want
16:00<student4eva>dont use wifi at all best way
16:01<kevin__>valdyn, OK so which channel should I look for
16:01<agentc>themill: common just jokey
16:01<kevin__>student4eva, cool
16:01<valdyn>kevin__: you might be missing firmware for wifi, see dmesg
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16:01<valdyn>!debian-next
16:01<kevin__>I know, been sat in front of this IBM for 10 hours
16:01<valdyn>kevin__: #debian-next
16:01<kevin__>lol
16:01<MrFrood>valdyn: that don't explain his version number
16:02<student4eva>kevin_, some of your techniques works foreva
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16:02<kevin_>kevin__: iwconfig says?
16:02<valdyn>MrFrood: yes, im just guessing
16:02<agentc>themill: who could help to setup a dvb card ?
16:02<MrFrood>kevin_: try `cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*}'
16:02<kevin__>ok guys welll thatnks for the help
16:02<themill>agentc: no
16:03<valdyn>!tell agentc -about ask
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16:04<aracon>kevin_: google returned that you should install firmware-iwlwifi
16:05<student4eva>best way dont use wifi if possible
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16:05<kevin_>it's a laptop, of course you are going to use wifi on it
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16:06<student4eva>hm.. i always like cables tbh and dont like laptops
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16:06<student4eva>but that's just my point of view of course
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16:07<scraze>MrFrood: that type of pattern expansion doesn't seem to work on a VM with Squeeze's install here
16:07<kevin_>there isn't much to like about laptops, you have a whole lot of bad choices as to which one to get
16:07<kevin_>but sometimes there's no good alternative to a laptop
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16:07<student4eva>kevin_, true everything has + and - i believe
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16:08<scraze>MrFrood: apologies, that's in the installer of Squeeze, not the base system after install
16:08<agentc>really, can anyone help me to setup a dvb card? i tried to compile v4l but it results in an error message.
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16:08<valdyn>!tell agentc -about ask
16:08<MrFrood>scraze: kevin_: just testedd on squeeze works fine here - you did remove my quotes around the command?
16:09<agentc>valdyn: dont work
16:09<valdyn>agentc: it works
16:09<valdyn>agentc: read what dpkg told you
16:09<agentc>i tried, result is "i dunno"
16:09<scraze>MrFrood: my bad, misunderstanding of kevin's situation .. expansion doesn't work during the install process but surely afterwards
16:10<valdyn>agentc: why do you think you need to compile anything?
16:10<MrFrood>I thought he had already installed?
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16:10<scraze>MrFrood: exactly, the misunderstanding is on my side :} apologies
16:10<agentc>valdyn: cause saa7134 driver module is not present on my kernel
16:10<MrFrood>ah
16:11<valdyn>agentc: its in my kernel
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16:12<valdyn>agentc: looks like it was in mainline in 2008?
16:12<valdyn>agentc: its also in squeeze kernel
16:13<valdyn>!which driver
16:13<dpkg>To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log . See also <oot>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>.
16:13<valdyn>agentc: use ^^^
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16:14<student4eva>depends use ;>
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16:15<deforol>))
16:15<deforol>âïåðâûûûûûûûûûûûûûûûûûûûå
16:16<agentc>valdyn: 2.6.37.2
16:16<retrospectacus>deforol: can we help you?
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16:16<valdyn>agentc: thats not even a debian kernel
16:16<themill>deforol: both keyboard and cat appear to be working just fine
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16:16<valdyn>!custom kernel
16:16<dpkg>Read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD". Also ask me about <kernel-handbook>.
16:16<agentc>valdyn: selfcompiled
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16:16<valdyn>agentc: i cant support your custom kernel
16:16<nik_>okay well I forced fallback mode
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16:16<nik_>but this is not what I want at all
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16:16<nik_>I want to go back to gnome 2
16:16<nik_>D:
16:17<scraze>people with gnome 3 problems, please gather at #debian-next .. it's silent in there :]
16:17<student4eva>many ppl
16:17<student4eva>:S
16:17<nik_>hu
16:17<nik_>huh
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16:17<student4eva>many ppl want to go back to gnome 2
16:18<nik_>how do you do it?
16:18<agentc>valdyn: in that config is all as module enabled, but no saa7134 avail, why?
16:18<themill>nik_: you install squeeze
16:18<nik_>is that the only way?
16:18<nik_>I can't downgrade gnome on its own?
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16:19<themill>dpkg: tell nik_ about downgrade
16:19<student4eva>most things has 40ways find your own way is best
16:19<agentc>valdyn: i saw video4linux docus they say i have to compile that to get the kern-mopdules
16:19<nik_>uhh
16:19<nik_>so the only way is to find an old .deb?
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16:19<themill>that's unlikely to work
16:20<nik_>well that's all dpkg says..
16:20<scraze>really, come to #debian-next .. I feel uncomfortable discussing gnome 3 in here :p
16:20<themill>nik_: dpkg says it might work. It's not going to for this
16:20<nik_>:c
16:20<nik_>what will work?
16:20<themill>nik_: [21:18] <themill> nik_: you install squeeze
16:21<agentc>valdyn: if i try to compile it, i get message : flexcop-i2c.c:253: error: 'I2C_CLASS_TV_DIGITAL' undeclared
16:21<nik_>but then all my packages get downgraded...
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16:24<valdyn>agentc: please, i did make myself clear: 1) this chip is supported by debian kernels, 2) i cant support your custom kernel
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16:25<agentc>valdyn: lspci shows the card, but what i have to do to access it by an app like kaffeine =
16:25<agentc>?
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16:29<agentc>dpkg: valdyn is also a database eraser, maybe he smile on deleting :)
16:29<dpkg>okay, agentc
16:29<agentc>!beer
16:29<dpkg>rumour has it, beer is liquid gold mate
16:30<agentc>dpkg: beer is also gift of devil
16:30*dpkg deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for is also gift of devil
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16:32<themill>agentc: seriously... stop that.
16:32<agentc>themill: yes sir
16:32<themill>Haven't we had this conversation before?
16:33<agentc>themill: ok, not again
16:33<devil>agentc: beer is a gift _for_ devil.
16:33<agentc>devil: cheers
16:33<nik_>what does this mean? http://pastebin.com/A5M5zaN9
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16:33<nik_>I can't launch opera...
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16:38<agentc>Hi babilen
16:38<nik_>guess it's time to go back to windows
16:39<themill>... or install squeeze.
16:39<nik_>ugh
16:39<agentc>nik_: what's about H.OS ?
16:39<nik_>:'c
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16:39<nik_>alright back to squeeze we go
16:40*themill isn't sure why people are running testing if they don't want to test out the latest versions of packages
16:40<retrospectacus>they have SNS
16:40<nik_>I needed to go to testing because my GPU needs a driver that was only working in testing
16:40<themill>retrospectacus: except when they don't, it seems :)
16:41<valdyn>nik_: even backports.debian.org does not have it?
16:41<nik_>no, we went over this months ago
16:41<nik_>lmao
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16:41<valdyn>nik_: not "we"
16:42<nik_>well
16:42<nik_>users in this IRC
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16:44<nik_>so I just change the distrobution section of my sources list from wheezy to squeeze, right?
16:44<themill>err... no.
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16:45<scraze>ehh .. downgrading a repo like that is not supported, clean way would be just to get a squeeze iso & install from there
16:45<nik_>fuuu
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16:46<scraze>but if you're really opposed to installing squeeze (which with a GPU needing a newer repo I can imagine) then it might be prudent to first try downgrading gnome through pinning
16:46<scraze>although if very short term memory serves, that's not supported either.
16:46<nik_>damnit
16:46<nik_>so I'm screwed?
16:46<scraze>by not supported I mean that you can try it, but we can't help out
16:46<babilen>What's the problem?
16:47<nik_>I want to downgrade to gnome 2, what's the best way?
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16:47<scraze>I believe the third with that problem today :]
16:47<agentc>babilen: could you help to setup a dvb-t card for use with kaffeine?
16:48<babilen>nik_: Use squeeze -- Gnome 3 is the current stable release from upstream and it finally made it into testing. You can use the fallback session, but I am not sure if you will be happy with that.
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16:48<babilen>agentc: Never done that
16:48<nik_>umm
16:48<nik_>alright
16:48<babilen>,info gnome-fallback-session
16:48<judd>No package named 'gnome-fallback-session' was found in squeeze/i386.
16:49<babilen>,info gnome-fallback-session --release wheezy
16:49<judd>No package named 'gnome-fallback-session' was found in wheezy/i386.
16:49<babilen>gah
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16:49<babilen>,info gnome-session-fallback
16:49<judd>No package named 'gnome-session-fallback' was found in squeeze/i386.
16:49*babilen gives up
16:50<aracon>i A gnome-session-fallback - GNOME Session Manager - GNOME fallback ses
16:50<babilen>nik_: You could try the fallback session in the gnome-session-fallback package. That is, however, not a "real" Gnome 2, so it might not suit your needs. Use Gnome3 or something else if you are no longer happy with that desktop environment.
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16:50<nik_>I'm in fallback right now
16:51<nik_>it's uh
16:51<nik_>less than what I want
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16:51<babilen>you know your options
16:51<shanks>is there a simple answer to , what is the difference between alsa and pulseaudio?
16:52<scraze>shanks: inaccuracy is kind of my earmark so take this with a truckload of salt: pulseaudio is entirely in userspace, alsa is mostly in kernel
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16:52<nik_>I'm trying to get gnometweaktool
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16:53<nik_>but how the hell do I download it
16:53<babilen>shanks: PA sits on top of ALSA -- See, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PulseAudio#Design for an overview
16:53<shanks>babilen: ah so that explains why i have alsa installed then
16:54<babilen>nik_: "apt-get install gnome-tweak-tool" ?
16:54<shanks>i thougth they were both sound servers
16:54<nik_>no package :(
16:55<nik_>I'm on the website and I feel like an idiot
16:55<nik_>because I can't find where to download the damn thing
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16:55<aracon>shanks: alsa is a sound-architecture and pulse is a audioserver
16:55<babilen>nik_: Ah, right. Seems to be source-only. Sorry for the misinformation.
16:55<nik_>haha
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16:57<aracon>nik_: gnome-tweak-tool is available in sid
16:57<nik_>oh jesus
16:58<shanks>aracon: so alsa abstracts the sound card hardware to a library-esque style system?
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17:01<aracon>shanks: that hits the nail on the head ;)
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17:27<morph3k>could anyone here help me figure out what to download?
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17:28<retrospectacus>morph3k: you should download ummm some funny cat videos
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17:35<WhiteNight>Hi, who can I tell ssh that my default login-name on server "a" is "b"
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17:36<themill>WhiteNight: in ~/.ssh/config; man ssh_config for syntax details (hint: "User")
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17:39<morph3k>seriously
17:39<morph3k>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/bt-cd/
17:39<morph3k>i know there are not 52 cds i need
17:39<morph3k>i just need to know which one to snag
17:39<Ganneff>1
17:39<retrospectacus>the best CD is the netinstaller
17:39<retrospectacus>!netinst
17:39<dpkg>netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
17:39<student4eva>always
17:40<retrospectacus>morph3k: or, what Ganneff said
17:40<morph3k>my internet is pretty shitty retrospectacus
17:40<morph3k>Ganneff: just #1?
17:40<morph3k>why are there 52?
17:40<student4eva>tons of stuff on it
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17:40<retrospectacus>well you can install debian with just #1 - the rest have additional software you might possibly want
17:40<morph3k>alright
17:40<student4eva>libraries everything its full you dont need all packages etc
17:40<morph3k>how much more do i need to dl if i grab the net installer?
17:41<student4eva>so a good way is net installer
17:41<student4eva>you have the basics
17:41<student4eva>and then you "build" what you want
17:41<morph3k>but cd #1 has more right
17:41<morph3k>im familiar with debian
17:41<morph3k>i jsut never have used a cd install
17:41<morph3k>i just use it on VPS's and dedi's
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17:42<WhiteNight>themill:thx
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17:46<abrotman>morph3k: you shuld really use the netinst
17:46<morph3k>thats what i grabbed
17:47<morph3k>thanks fellas
17:47<abrotman>morph3k: the CD likely contains a lot of stuff you wo'nt use ..
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18:38<riley__>hey- i did some stuff with /sbin/route
18:38<riley__>but when i reboot the computer, i gotta redo all my routing stuff
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18:38<riley__>how do i make it so that I don't have to redo everything manually when i restart a computer???
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18:39<retrospectacus>riley__: you can put the commands in /etc/rc.local
18:39<dont_hate_the_playa>ok
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18:41<carl>I'm having some issues with Midori, I can't get into gmail without switching to basic HTML view..
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18:47<defnordic>hi all.
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18:47<retrospectacus>hi defnordic
18:48<bst_>carl: #midori on freenode
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18:49<defnordic>I just got a fresh install of debian netinst done and am trying to get some packages onto it, namely samba. But whenever I try apt-get install samba or aptitude install samba, it does not install and aborts with error messages 'Broken packages' or 'Packages could not be found'
18:49<MrFrood>carl: the version in stable is quite dated, you might want to think about backporting a more recent version
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18:51<carl>MrFrood: how do I do that?
18:51<defnordic>internet connection is established (I can ping the package repository), and I did an apt-get update
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18:52<MrFrood>!tell carl about ssb
18:53<themill>,checkbackport midori
18:53<judd>Backporting package midori in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libwebkitgtk-dev (>= 1.4.3), valac (>= 0.10).
18:54<jordanm>themill: nice new judd feature!
18:54<jordanm>(new to me atleast)
18:54<themill>:)
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18:57<defnordic>when doing an apt-get update, it only hits http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates for release, /main Sources and /main i386 Packages, shouldn't there be more repos there?
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19:07<Edson>good night. someone here knows how to fix the tvtime without sound on ubuntu 11.10 with gnome 3?
19:07<Black_Prince>dpkg, ubuntu
19:07<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
19:07<Edson>ok, thanks
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19:11<defnordic>can anyone help me out with my problem concerning packages?
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19:12<retrospectacus>defnordic: pastebin your sources.list file, command you ran and its output
19:12<retrospectacus>paste.debian.net
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19:14<defnordic>here's the output: http://paste.debian.net/144004/
19:15<jhutchins_lt>!squeeze sources.list
19:15<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
19:16<jhutchins_lt>defnordic: You need a regular repository, not just security.
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19:17<defnordic>I thought so. the debian packages on the website listing didn't give repositories to include though :(
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19:17<defnordic>so should I just include cdn.debian.net/.., or do I need some others as well?
19:18<sney>defnordic: read what dpkg just said and act accordingly
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19:19<defnordic>will do, thx
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19:21<mob1>hello all? who can help me?
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19:22<bighornram>I had to replace an ethernet card, the card is the same type, how do I tell my system about the new card?
19:22<MrFrood>mob1: just ask your question
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19:23<mob1>i need help in configuring sendmail for relay to internet server
19:23<eshat>bighornram: you need to remove old udev rule, so that new card with differnt mac is eth0 instead of becoming eth1
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19:24<eshat>bighornram: I do tis by deleting /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules shut down the computer, swith cards, boot
19:24<MrFrood>mob1: relay to a smtp server?
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19:24<bighornram>eshat: thanks.
19:25<mob1>yes example google.com
19:25<mob1>oops gmail.com
19:25<mob1>sory
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19:28<MrFrood>mob1: http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/NewbieDOC:Mail_-_sending or `aptitude install newbiedoc' to veiw locally
19:29<mob1>Thank
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19:32<bighornram>eshat: thanks ;)
19:32<eshat>bighornram: you're very welcome
19:32<defnordic>arrh, got it now. How come the sources-list file was only populated with the security repository?
19:33<sney>offline install?
19:33<defnordic>jup
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19:33<sney>it doesn't assume everyone will have a working internet connection post-install
19:34<sney>I guess your nic probably needed firmware or something
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19:34<wompa>How's that possible with a netinst?
19:34<defnordic>my nic worked fine, autosetup during install worked fine
19:34<sney>hmm
19:34<sney>don't know then
19:34<sney>at least it works now
19:36<defnordic>yeah, was just bewildered and couldn't believe that the installer would leave out the general purpose repositories
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19:36<rumpler>hi
19:36<sney>hi
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19:37<wompa>hi
19:37<agentc>hi
19:39<Black_Prince>hi
19:39<rumpler>can you help me please?
19:40<Black_Prince>ask
19:40<rumpler>I installed debian without a graphical environment, after that I installed xorg and fluxbox, and I tried to install the nvidia driver but it gave me error and are no longer able to start fluxbox.
19:40<Black_Prince>describe how did you try to install nvidia driver.
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19:42<rumpler>I gave these commands nvidia-glx nvidia-settings linux-headers-`uname -r`
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19:43<Black_Prince>You need kernel module and probably nvidia-xconfig if you like.
19:43<Black_Prince>dpkg, nvidia dkms
19:43<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
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19:44<rumpler>and after i ran nvidia-xconfig
19:44<rumpler>but he returned error
19:44<Black_Prince>Did you install nvidia-kernel-dkms ?
19:44<rumpler>no
19:45<Black_Prince>Well, you need that one too ... It is kernel module for nvidia.
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19:46<rumpler>ok but: After what I have to install anything else? what I did was right?
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19:51<rumpler>thanks for the help Black_Prince :D
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19:54<defnordic>does anyone have a recommendation for looking up basic linux commands? I don't want to just google every single thing
19:54<defnordic>*a recommendation for a site
19:55<MrFrood>defnordic: you talking cli?
19:55<defnordic>yes, sorry
19:56<cmr>defnordic: http://www.nixtutor.com/linux/all-the-best-linux-cheat-sheets/
19:57<cmr>(warning: pdf)
19:57<MrFrood>defnordic: http://en.flossmanuals.net/command-line/index/
19:57<Cooldude>where is the pear directory if its not in user/share/pear?
19:57<Cooldude>usr
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19:58<defnordic>nice, thanks
19:59<Cooldude>pear test shows bool(true) but apache shows other pages as a fatel error
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20:01<cmr>MrFrood: That's a good link.
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20:02<MrFrood>:)
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20:03<cmr>I hate to call them 'commands' though. They're programs.
20:05<defnordic>yeah I know actually, just having a hard time getting into the correct mindset ;)
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20:09<dont_hate_the_playa>how do i replace this routing table entry on another computer?
20:09<dont_hate_the_playa>Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
20:09<dont_hate_the_playa>10.143.66.0 * 255.255.254.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
20:09<grummund>Hi, Are things likely to come unstuck if i try to put say a million files in a single directory, the file system being ext3 and the partition size ~20GB ?
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20:12<scraze>dont_hate_the_playa: probably best to configure it through for instance /etc/network/interfaces, but this should work: route del default gw 10.143.66.0; route add default gw <correct ip>;
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20:14<dont_hate_the_playa>thanks scraze
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20:16<cmr>grummund: unstuck? What's stuck?
20:16<grummund>as in could it cause a problem?
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20:17<cmr>Depends on your inode size, I would think.
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20:17<cmr>grummund: What does df -i say?
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20:18<grummund>Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on
20:18<grummund>/dev/sda6 1818624 26332 1792292 2% /home
20:19<cmr>grummund: Depending on the size of those million files, you should be fine. All in one directory is going to get awfully slow though.
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20:20<cmr>grummund: I've heard that anything bigger than ~100k gets really unwieldy, but I wouldn't know, never gone that high. Why would you want a million files in one directory anyway?
20:20<grummund>does each file use a single inode or does it depend upon the file size?
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20:20<cmr>A file uses at least one inode, it can use more if it needs more to store its data.
20:21<scraze>a related question - wikipedia says that for an ext3 fs with a block size of 4kb the max file size is 256Gb .. I have just created a hdd image of 463Gb on one such fs. How is this discrepancy resolved (e.g. is the image corrupt?)
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20:22<grummund>ok thanks. i should also check the inode size then...
20:22<cmr>scraze: It says for 4K block, max file size is 2T
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20:22<kooll>scraze: hmm. no. wikipedia should say that the max file size is 2TB
20:22<morph3k>anyone know if debian supports bluetooth mouse/keyboard
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20:24<scraze>whoops, I should learn to read :} thanks cmr & kooll
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20:24<morph3k>im not finding a lot of info
20:24<morph3k>im on a mac and need my magic mouse/keyboard which worth work via bluetooth to work
20:24<cmr>morph3k: What model mouse/keyboard?
20:24<cmr>morph3k: Best way to know is to try.
20:24<grummund>so, on ext3, 1M files shared between directories is better performance than a single dir?
20:24<morph3k>well im searching and it looks like people have trouble
20:24<morph3k>problem is this is the only keyboard/mouse i have
20:24<cmr>grummund: Absolutely.
20:24-!-panchov is "(unknown)" on (unknown)
20:24-!-panchov is "(unknown)" on (unknown)
20:24-!-Gneiss is "(unknown)" on (unknown)
20:24<grummund>i see
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20:25<grummund>that's not such a problem then
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20:26<cmr>grummund: What's your use case?
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20:27<grummund>data scraping
20:27<grummund>bit of a hack really
20:28<cmr>I only have 643749 files on / (not counting proc etc), 1 million is quite a lot.
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20:29<grummund>in reality it won't be 1M, i was just supposing
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20:31<dont_hate_the_playa>when i do: #route add -net 169.254.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 dev eth0, it adds a 'link-local' to my routing table
20:31<dont_hate_the_playa>what am i doing wrong?
20:31<dont_hate_the_playa>i want to be able to have my computer talk to 169.254.*.* ip's on my company's network
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20:39<dondelelcaro>dont_hate_the_playa: you've told your computer that eth0 is connected to the 169.254/16 network.
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20:39<dondelelcaro>dont_hate_the_playa: if that's not what you want, you'll have to tell us about your network topology
20:39<wompa>dont_hate_the_playa, from your home?
20:40<dont_hate_the_playa>no
20:40<dont_hate_the_playa>i am at a 'big corporation'
20:40<wompa>ok
20:40<dont_hate_the_playa>and all the desktops have 169.254.0.0/16 ip's
20:40<JoeKickass>169.254/16 are autogenerated. try dhclient eth0
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20:40<nik_>argh
20:40<JoeKickass>oh nm then
20:40<dont_hate_the_playa>but all our servers are on 10.143.67.0/23
20:40<nik_>my life is hard
20:41<nik_>where can I get the debian image with squeeze and gnome 2?
20:41<JoeKickass>nik_: on debian.org
20:41<nik_>yeah but where?
20:41<dont_hate_the_playa>i need to get computers on 10.143.67.0/23 to talk to 169.254.0.0/16
20:41<JoeKickass>I believe there is a link in the upper right area
20:42<JoeKickass>nik_: direct ISO link for the hybrid netinstaller
20:43<dont_hate_the_playa>any ideas? any body know any good guides to read? i still dont exactly understand how this stuff works... and the man page for 'route' isn't helping
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20:43<JoeKickass>dont_hate_the_playa: you must get rid of the 169.254 stuff - that won't work
20:43<dont_hate_the_playa>ok
20:43<JoeKickass>http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=169.254
20:43<nik__>none of my web browsers load because of something to do with libgtk
20:44<nik__>like
20:44<nik__>all of them crash and chromium can't load any page, even local ones
20:44<JoeKickass>nik__: wget http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
20:44<scraze>nik__: on debian.org, click "CD ISO images", choose download method, select distribution, then you get to a page like http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable and you can select your arch
20:44<nik__>oh
20:44<nik__>okay
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20:47<nik__>looks like I'm doing that - what's the best way to store my files that I need to keep?
20:47<nik__>to transfer them
20:47<JoeKickass>on a drive you're not gonna format ;)
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20:47<ironbreaker>hi guys
20:47<JoeKickass>hi ironbreaker
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20:48<ironbreaker>JoeKickass: i've installed now debian, how do i get to install the nvidia driver?
20:49<JoeKickass>dpkg, tell ironbreaker about nvidia
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20:51<JoeKickass>ironbreaker: you probably want the <nvidia m-a> one - say that to dpkg and follow the directions
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20:53<ironbreaker>i've installed nvidia-kernel-dkms and configured xorg.conf with automatical procedure, but now i doesn't enter in my desktop
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20:53<ironbreaker>when i write startx he respond me: failed to load module nvidia - no driver available
20:54<ironbreaker>unable to connect to X server.. and other messages
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20:54<JoeKickass>ironbreaker: "dmesg|grep -i nvidia" might tell you some errors
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20:55<ironbreaker>i'm in a shell on irssi, how do i get?
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20:56<JoeKickass>go to another shell (alt-F3 or so) and run it , alt-F1 (probably) to get back here
20:57<JoeKickass>you can install pastebinit to make pastes from the TTYs
20:57<JoeKickass>!pastebinit
20:57<dpkg>pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <nopaste>.
20:57<ironbreaker>ok thanks
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21:03<ironbreaker>JoeKickass: how i can copy the text?
21:03<ironbreaker>the shell is very difficult for me
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21:04<JoeKickass>you can install gpm which lets you use the mouse in the tty but it's really shitty too. You should use pastebinit, then just have to memorize or write down the paste url
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21:05<Guest16337>anyone having problems installing the newest xubuntu? my installer just crashes after setting up my account
21:05<JoeKickass>or write the pastebinit output to a file and print it in irssi with /exec :P
21:05<JoeKickass>!ubuntuirc Guest16337
21:05<dpkg>Guest16337: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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21:07<ironbreaker>JoeKickass: http://pastebin.com/ZW1dJ5Bb
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21:11<JoeKickass>ironbreaker: looks like the nvidia driver doesn't support your card. I don't know how to continue
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21:12<JoeKickass>judd: pciid 10de:1051
21:12<judd>[10de:1051] is 'Unknown device' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:1051 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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21:13<ironbreaker>so i can't install the gpu with any driver?
21:14<JoeKickass>well judd says you can use nouveau or nvidiafb driver
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21:15<JoeKickass>but he also says that for mine and I am using nvidia :S
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21:16<ironbreaker>and my gpu are supported with the official nvidia installer?
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21:17<JoeKickass>don't know
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21:17<ironbreaker>JoeKickass: thank you very much for the help :D
21:18<JoeKickass>no problem. I hope you get it working. Someone else here may be able to help as well
21:18<ironbreaker>tomorrow i try with the nouveau driver
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21:20<ironbreaker>last answer: how do i get to repair debian from these errors and using fluxbox without driver (like formatted)?
21:22<scraze>ironbreaker: if you remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf (after backing it up perhaps), Xorg should automatically grab vesa as driver for your card
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21:23<ironbreaker>ok thanks scraze
21:23<scraze>or nouveau btw, which should be nicer
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21:25<ironbreaker>good night debianers
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21:58<dont_hate_the_playa>what is the point of link-local addresses? i just read the wikipedia article, and i still dont understand it
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22:02<amakusa>just out of curiosity, if I installed debian and left the root password field empty, how do I log in as root?
22:03<JoeKickass>dont_hate_the_playa: traffic involving them is not passed on by routers, etc.
22:04<JoeKickass>amakusa: sudo -s iirc
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23:01<dont_hate_the_playa>hey- what is a 'load average'?
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23:02<MrFrood>!load average
23:02<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, load average is the number of processes that are either in a "runnable" (waiting for CPU) or uninterruptable state, averaged over time. It's like the number of people in line at the checkout. It's possible to have a high load average with low CPU utilization if systems are waiting for other resources, e.g. I/O, network socket responses.
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23:03<dont_hate_the_playa>how do i see the load average?
23:04<JoeKickass>uptime
23:04<zykotick9>dont_hate_the_playa, "w" "top" or "uptime"
23:05<zykotick9>dont_hate_the_playa, so, what's your load? load average: 7.27, 8.45, 8.77
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