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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-11-09

---Logopened Wed Nov 09 00:00:03 2011
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01:23<Neo>how to send fake mail
01:23<Neo>I m using backtrack4
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01:26<dpkg>BackTrack is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #backtrack-linux on
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01:36<miggs>hello. is there an official Google+ page for Debian?
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01:38<nevyn>with the official logo or the free use logo?
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01:41<dgnuglas>Probably won't be running much more than qupzilla on this install. Is there one DE/WM that's focused on Qt?
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01:47<cmr>dgnuglas: KDE
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01:48<dgnuglas>cmr: That's what I was thinking, just feels so bloated on my netbook :/
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01:50<cmr>dgnuglas: Don't worry about a DE, just use a WM if you're comfortable with that. I hear fluxbox or any of the other box's are good.
01:52<dgnuglas>cmr: Thanks. I think I'll take fluxbox for a whirl. Had been using Openbox previously, it was nice
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01:58<scinl>openbox is preferred by some since it is not "DIW" like blackbox and doesn't have a "special" configuration language like LXDE or fluxbox.
01:59<scinl>dgnuglas, if I may ask, what made it nicer than openbox?
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02:07<shanks>nevyn: what's the diff between the free use logo and the official one? also is it possible to get debian stickers? want to replace my made for windows 7 one
02:08<shanks>someone called Neo talking about how to send fake mail using backtrack. you just couldn't make it up! :)
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02:10<kenyon>I like ratpoison as a window manager on my debian netbook
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02:14<rvnj>what debian should i download if i just want a basic graphical environment
02:14<rvnj>that doesnt require 52 CDs
02:15<cmr>rvnj: The first one.
02:15<kop>rvnj: Install from the netinstall image. That will minimize bandwdith usage.
02:15<rvnj>are the rest just packages?
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02:15<kop>rvnj: It's all just packages. No need to download what you don't install.
02:15<chl501>rvnj: the first cd set should contain basic system requirement for debian.
02:16<kop>chl501: So does the netinstall.
02:16*kenyon prefers netinstall
02:16<kop>rvnj: Since you're new I'll shoot you a 3 factoids.
02:16<chl501>or just download what kop referred to. netinstall would work the same.
02:16<kop>!tell rvnj about introduction
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02:16<kop>!tell rvnj about stable
02:17<kop>!tell rvnj about overview
02:17<Sicelo>!self-tell introduction
02:18<kop>!tell Sicelo about self tell
02:19<rvnj>nice, thanks
02:20<Sicelo>me too. thanks ;)
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02:20<kop>rvnj: The install guide at is also comprehensive.
02:21<EmleyMoor>rvnj: Welcome to Debian - hopefully you'll soon get used to it and like it as much as I do
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02:22<metaspike>howto suspend squeeze to ram/hibernate? i take pm-utils is still the standard
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02:23<jm_>metaspike: I use s2ram/s2disk
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02:24<metaspike>it's a pity i cannot install pm-utils then assume there will a manpage for pm-utils -_-
02:24<metaspike>ok thanks
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02:29<metaspike>suppose i'll just gunzip this and hav a read for s2ram eh? /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.32/Documentation/power/s2ram.txt.gz
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02:35<jm_>using a decent editor means you don't need to unzip it manually
02:35<jm_>gunzip even
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02:38<metaspike>what editor can do that- TELL ME! (only kidding ^_^)
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02:40<cmr>zless will let you view it.
02:40<metaspike>it would be nice if i could read all these lovely gunzipped htmls which constitute the official documentation
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02:41<jm_>which htmls exactly?
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02:42<metaspike>/usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.32/Documentation/* from linux-doc-2.6.32
02:42<jm_>I use dwww to access them easily with a browser
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02:45<metaspike>that's some priceless information jm_: thankyou
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02:45<jm_>metaspike: no worries
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02:52<rjsalts>does anyone know the parameters needed to create a partition and format a usb harddrive so that a udf file system can be used in linux, windows and OSX?
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02:56<jm_>no idea about OSX but for linux/windows mkudffs worked fine
02:56<jm_>(on DVD-s anyway)
02:57<rjsalts>this is a hard drive
02:57<rjsalts>windows requires a partition for it
02:57<jm_>shouldn't matter in general I guess
02:57<rjsalts>whereas mac can't deal with the partition
02:57<jm_>ohh OK, then I guess it does matter ;)
02:57<rjsalts>linux deals with everything
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02:58<rjsalts>but acts strangely if you use windows format f: /fs:udf
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03:27<jm_>heh nice bug in xulrunner-8.0
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03:56<alumno_>k psa
03:57<alumno>deja de fapearte xDD
03:57<alumno_>mira kien hhabla
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03:58<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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04:08<alumno_> BV
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04:08<alumnoasdf>que pasaaa
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04:08<alumno69>pipiolos los del pc 13
04:08<alumno_>KIEN ERES TU PIPAA
04:09<alumno69>tu vieja
04:09<alumno69>tu viejo
04:09<alumno69>ya paramos
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04:10<alumno>aki cris y maria
04:10<alumno_>PUTO DEDI
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04:10<alumnoasdf>me parezco a ti;)
04:10<alumno_>MARIA & CHINOO
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04:10<alumnoasdf>OHHH <3
04:10<alumno>laura oyoooo
04:10<alumnoasdf>es con h
04:10<alumno69>kiebn es ese+
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04:11<alumno>n soms tontaas
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04:11<alumnoasdf>que quien eres
04:11<Ivan_el_Incorregible>Yo Soy El Que Soy, dijo Yaveh
04:11<alumno69>yo soy ivan
04:11<alumno69>tu eres mi clon
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04:11<Ivan_el_Incorregible>y uno que ha entrado creyendo era un foro de debian,,,,,
04:11<alumnoasdf>eso muy viejo.
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04:11<Ivan_el_Incorregible>si no es asi, fumigueseme ipso facto
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04:12<alumno69>de donde eres ivan?
04:12<Ivan_el_Incorregible>de Spain
04:12<alumno69>no jodas
04:12<alumno69>de q parte
04:12<Ivan_el_Incorregible>a veces si que lo hago, pero ahora no, tranki
04:12<alumno_>RUBIIAAA ALTAAA LLAMA AL 677263415
04:12<alumno69>kien? tu vieja?
04:12<alumno_>OJOS AZULES
04:12<Ivan_el_Incorregible>a ver, es un foro de debian, o no?
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04:13<BendIt>hi folks
04:13<Ivan_el_Incorregible>veo que no, adieu
04:13<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
04:13<alumno69>adios chabales
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04:13<Ivan_el_Incorregible>Im very sorry, but everyone is speaking spanish
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04:13<cmr>At least three of those nicks were the same person.
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04:14<Ivan_el_Incorregible>so, is not the foro I was searching for
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04:16<BendIt>ive got some problems with tripwire's email report funtion on squeeze. it seems that tripwire uses the $HOSTNAME Var and not the hostname --fqdn.. manpage say that its possible to set the sende address but just in test mode...
04:17<BendIt>any ideas how to fix that? if possible, without changing hostname to `hostname --fqdn` :/
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04:29<kopilo>hey just got a debian server, and installed screen on it. Screen works fine for root/sudo but for non root users it states: permission denied. What is the correct way to fix this?
04:30<nevyn>screen doesn't work for non-root users
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04:31<mbr>nevyn: it does here
04:31<kopilo>it did when I changed permissions on tty :/ which was a bad hack really
04:31<nevyn>so it does here too.
04:31<nevyn>kopilo: if you su from root to a user it might not.
04:31<nevyn>because root still owns the tty.
04:31<kopilo>haven't done that
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04:31<kopilo>straight ssh login
04:31<nevyn>but if the user logs in normally it should be fine
04:31<kopilo>yeah but it doesn't let me :/
04:32<nevyn>it won't be able to resume roots screen
04:32<nevyn>install tmux.
04:32<nevyn>it's the new black anyway
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04:32<jm_>would using tmux really help?
04:33<kopilo>about to find out
04:33<kopilo>it will break all my scripts which use screen though :p
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04:34<kopilo>$ tmux; create session failed: : Permission denied
04:34<kopilo>no difference
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04:34<kopilo>is there a group the user should be a part of?
04:35<jm_>how exactly do you trigger this?
04:35<jm_>probably needs a login as root already
04:35<kopilo>ssh -> enterpassword -> type tmux hit enter
04:36<kopilo>is adding a user to group tty a bad idea
04:36<jm_>that must be something else then - did you install screen with sgid bit set?
04:37<kopilo>all I did was: #apt-get install screen
04:38<jm_>ahh it looks like this is no longer an option
04:39<jm_>that is something that should work just fine, i.e. if no "su" is invovled
04:39<cmr>kopilo: try and specify where you want the session socket to be.
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04:39<cmr>I don't know how.
04:40<jm_>SCREENDIR var - can you do mkdir /var/run/screen/S-${LOGNAME} ?
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04:42<kopilo>so user needs perms to the /var/screen dir?
04:42<kopilo>oh wait nvm
04:42<kopilo>it says file exists
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04:42<jm_>uhh no, sorry - I got it wrong - screen would do that for you - what does ls -l /usr/bin/screen show?
04:42<kopilo>-rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 364088 Jul 29 2009 /usr/bin/screen
04:43<jm_>ok so that's not the problem - check permissions for your tty (tty command shows it)
04:44<kopilo>crwxrwxrwx 1 root tty 5, 0 Sep 15 22:37 /dev/tty & crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 3, 3 Sep 15 22:38 /dev/ttyp3
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04:44<jm_>did you run that in ssh session?
04:44<kopilo>sorry I mean: crw--w---- 1 minecraft tty 3, 0 Sep 15 22:38 /dev/ttyp0
04:44<kopilo>yes that last one is from ssh
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04:45<jm_>which version of debian is this?
04:45<kopilo>I only got the server last month :/
04:45<jm_>huh, why would it be using ttyp0 with squeeze
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04:47*kopilo shrugs
04:51<kopilo>ok now it works for no reason at all
04:51<mosno>what's a nice way to install a .deb AND all it's dependencies from /var/cache/apt/archives? assume all deps are in that dir, too.
04:51<kopilo>thank you for the help though
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04:52<kopilo>maybe using aptitude? I'm not sure how though
04:52<mosno>kolter: aptitude doesn't seem to let you install .deb files directly
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04:53<kopilo>oh right because you would have to use dpkg
04:53<mosno>oh, i figured it out
04:53<mosno>i think... one sec
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04:53<mosno>nope, that didn't work
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04:54<mosno>i did the dpkg -i on the .deb, then i did an "aptitude install", but because the dependencies aren't listed in any Packages files, aptitude won't use them to depsolve
04:54<mosno>same deal with "apt-get install -f"
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04:56<Sicelo>mosno: how did the deb get to /var/cache/apt....?
04:56<mosno>i suppose i could dpkg-scanpackages ...
04:56<mosno>Sicelo: well, the archive changed to a new version
04:56<mosno>Sicelo: but i still have the old cached locally
04:57<Sicelo>meaning u want to install previous version?
04:58<jm_>try gdebi
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05:01<mosno>jm_: it doesn't help... gdebi doesn't seem to resolve deps
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05:01<Sicelo>mosno: do apt-cache showpkg <name>, take note of the specific version u want in the section that says Provides, then do apt-get install <name>=<version>
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05:01<Sicelo>that said, why u want older version?
05:02<mosno>Sicelo: like i said, the package isn't in the archive any more
05:02<mosno>Sicelo: because iceweasel-8.0 from is broken
05:02<mosno>Sicelo: so i can't use apt
05:02<mosno>i just want a tool that i can say "install /foo/bar.deb, and grab dependencies from /foo/deps"
05:03<mosno>and i'm not sure what the side-effects of using dpkg-scanpackages on /var/cache/apt/archives is
05:04<jm_>mosno: heh xulrunner-8.0 preinst bug bit you? yeah it looks like it would need file:// apt entry
05:04<mosno>jm_: yes
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05:05<mosno>jm_: so can you think of any side-effects of doing dpkg-scanarchive on /var/cache/apt/archives (i assume that's what you mean)?
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05:05<mosno>i should just suck it and see
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05:06<mosno>also, is there a canonical path for local apt archives?
05:07<jm_>mosno: not sure if that's enough, i.e. how it wants fiels laid out
05:08<mosno>screw it, i'll bruteforce the dpkg -i
05:09<mosno>lol, it was just 2 deps
05:09<mosno>i stopped at the 1st before
05:09*mosno slaps self
05:11<jm_>yeah iceweasel xulrunner and libmoz*d
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05:11<mosno>i suppose i wanted to know the general method, too
05:11<mosno>but yeah
05:11<mosno>ran out of patience trying to find the canonical solution
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05:16<kopilo>I really should install xulrunner + chatzilla again
05:16<kopilo>or "iceape-chat"
05:16<kopilo>I know it is 8MB or so but it is so worth it to me
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05:18<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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05:21<AtoXx>ciao a tutti
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05:36<emlen>HI ALL! howto check debian live media on boot?
05:36<emlen>from this media
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05:37<emlen>with md5sum.txt on it
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05:38<dba>did you read man live-boot?
05:39<emlen>please, help me, i need lite answer.. please
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05:46<emlen>i have buffer i/o error on boot it..
05:46<emlen>md5 correct
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05:46<emlen>could anybody say, what can i do?
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05:56<emlen>does anybody hear me?
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05:59<emlen>could you help me?
06:00<emlen>nevyn: how can i boot debian livecd?
06:00<emlen>where can i read about that?
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06:01<nevyn>do you have a debianlive cd?
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06:03<jm_>emlen: md5 of what is correct?
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06:04<emlen>all files on this cd
06:04<emlen>checked by freecommander
06:04<emlen>on win7
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06:06<nevyn>emlen: is the md5 of the iso file correct?
06:07<emlen>may be it's cdrom failure?
06:08<emlen>how can i easy make usb with livecd content?
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06:09<metaspike>hello emlen
06:09<metaspike>ensure that you burn at 8x speed or slower if possible, use session at once and set the cdrom to boot first in bios
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06:11<metaspike>ive also found that higher quality hardware tends to work better... better cd-r's better cdroms better chance of success at least, that's the impression i get.
06:11<emlen>metaspike: hello
06:11<emlen>metaspike: i have been also do that
06:12<emlen>pardon fo my eng
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06:13<metaspike>no problem. in windows i use to burn. just remember, SAO, 8x speed, boot CDROM in bios.
06:15<emlen>metaspike: how to write iso on usb flash?
06:15<emlen>in win
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06:18<emlen>thanks, but in WIN?
06:18<mbr>emlen: what do you mean?
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06:20<emlen>i have not machine with lin
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06:20<emlen>only win
06:20<jm_>emlen: where did you get md5sums for all the files?
06:21<mbr>emlen: there are alot of howtos on google youll find it
06:21<emlen>in the root of media
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06:22<jm_>so maybe it's an issue in linux only then
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06:24<jm_>emlen: this should work
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06:25<emlen>Thank U VERY MUCH
06:27<dannN>Hi. I've have a Debian 6 Squeeze server running with ISPConfig 3. I've changed the default page which is copied with a new website. now there is a new file within /usr/local/ispconfig/server/conf/ which should be also copied to a new website. where can i add this file to be copied?
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06:35<DebianN00b>hey fellas
06:37<dannN>does anybody know, in which file this is defined?
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06:41<jm_>dannN: /usr/local/ispconfig is nto something that debian ships
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06:54<carl>A friend of mine said I should upgrade to Wheezy (currently using squeeze), should I? And how do I do it? Do I just change 'squeeze' to 'wheezy' in /etc/apt/sources.list and update?
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07:01<aracon>carl: why do you want to upgrade to wheezy?
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07:02<aracon>carl: if everything works fine for you in squeeze i would recommend to stick with it
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07:03<emlen>does X have to load on debian-live-6.0.3-i386-rescue ?
07:04<carl>aracon: that's a good point, thanks
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07:06<emlen>metaspike: jm_: mbr: ???
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07:27<defnordic>does anyone know what the debian edition from linuxmint does differently than debian vanilla?
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07:28<babilen>defnordic: I would suggest to ask them :)
07:28<daemonkeeper>defnordic: You should ask that Mint people, not us
07:28<babilen>!tell defnordic -about mint
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07:28<jm_>emlen: !!!
07:29<defnordic>JUst realized that, thanks
07:29<emlen>jm_: what?
07:29<jm_>emlen: I can ask you the same question
07:30<emlen>jm_: does X have to load on debian-live-6.0.3-i386-rescue ?
07:31<metaspike>you can do whatever you want with rescue, but X does not come included with rescue, you would have to install it with "aptitude install xorg"
07:31<jm_>emlen: it has no xorg server package
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07:35<emlen>jm_: thanks
07:35<jm_>emlen: no worries
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08:11<hubnerd>Heya, is there a debian package help channel?
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08:14<babilen>hubnerd: #debian-mentors
08:14<hubnerd>babilen: Thanks
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08:35<emlen>jm_: pardon me please, but, tell me, for future... how can i test md5 hashes during/before booting from livecd?
08:35<emlen>as in ubuntu or citrix xen server..
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08:37<jm_>!check iso image
08:37<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the ISO image on the mirror. See also <check iso signature>.
08:37<jm_>emlen: ^^^^^^^^^
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08:39<emlen>jm_: !check iso image, dont understand... when have to input this?
08:39<deforol>Excuse me people. I have a question. I m installed a minimal version debian from usb flash and now I want to install a gnome. How can I do that?Please
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08:41<emlen>jm_: before chose a boot menu?
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08:43<emlen>in ubuntu there is a menu item, check the boot disk
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08:43<emlen>After selecting the method of loading test does not make sense
08:43<jm_>emlen: no, read what dpkg said
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08:44<jm_>!install gnome
08:44<dpkg>To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>.
08:44<jm_>deforol: ^^^^^^^
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08:44<deforol>jm_: ^^^^ what is that
08:45<jm_>deforol: it means look above that line
08:45<jm_>i.e. reasd what dpkg the bot said
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08:47<deforol>jm_: OK.thanks. I do it now
08:47<jm_>deforol: no worries
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09:06<deforol>jm_: How can I change language in console
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09:06<dpkg>Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>.
09:07<jm_>deforol: ^^^^^
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09:30<deforol>before installing this packages for gnome I should install all of components which dependence for this packages manually?
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09:31<TCW_>deforol, no... this is debian (I suppose), the dirstro with the finest package manager around! A normal user would never need to resolve dependencies on its own...
09:32<TCW_>deforol, so please, rephrase your issue if you have questions left.
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09:32<deforol>Excuse me people. I have a question. I m installed a minimal version debian from usb flash and now I want to install a gnome. How can I do that?
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09:33<kooll>deforol: something like : aptitude install gnome
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09:34<kooll>(although the list of packages required will be a bit scary)
09:34<TCW_>deforol, I have read the backlog of this channel... you asked exactly that before!
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09:35<TCW_>and you got very good help regarding this question, if you have difficulties understanding the answers, not a problem, ask again, be more specific and we will help.
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09:35<deforol>I installed minimal version debian and now I haven't in aptitude gnome
09:35<Nik05>aptitude update && aptitude install gnome
09:36<TCW_>deforol, what does "minimal" mean? debootstraped install? Just the base install from e.g. a "normal" install media but no additional software installed after the base?
09:37<deforol>I haven't internet on my computer where my debian
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09:37<aracon>deforol: well that should be the first point to start ;)
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09:37<TCW_>deforol, and there is not a chance to hook that computer up to the internet?
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09:38<TCW_>I'd hate to suggest to download the official images then...
09:38<deforol>No I want to do that without internet
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09:38<LotR>on updating a package, if I wanted to make apt/dpkg to add the config files it wants to update to a branch on a git repo, and then rebase the local changes I have (which would be in another branch) on top of that, would I be able to do that with a hook somewhere, or would that require hacking the core utils?
09:38<TCW_>deforol, then you'd need to get the needed packages someway to that computer...
09:39<querier>hi there. when I am on another pc with ssh like: user@home# how do I easily copy and push files?
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09:39<TCW_>deforol, there are a lot of possibilities... the most easy one would be to download the needed Debian CD ISO image which has gnome on it.
09:39<TCW_>and I guess it is CD one
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09:41<TCW_>querier, ssh is just a remote shell... when you want to transfer files you need to use a file-transfer-application. For instance scp, nfs, smbfs...
09:42<querier>TCW_: so when logged in I start scp and can copy back and forth?
09:42<TCW_>querier, no
09:42<querier>would I need to login with ssh at all?
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09:43<querier>TCW_: so this means I only use scp , right?
09:43<TCW_>querier, you do nopt to be logged in to use scp... see: scp someserver:/somepath/somefile /tmp/ <- that does copy a file called somefile on a server called someserver in a path called somepath to the local /tmp directory
09:44<TCW_>you can use scp on the remote or the local machine... the syntax just changes accordingly.
09:44<querier>TCW_:I see thank you. I got confused of someone telling me I need to be logged in.
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09:45<TCW_>e.g. scp /somepath/somefile my_local_computer:/tmp/ would copy the same file if you are logged in on the remote machine
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09:46<TCW_>querier, that depends ;) if you want to setup other means of file transfering you need to be logged in to configure it ;)
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09:53<karthic>jonas you there????
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10:03<themill>!es-social mar
10:03<dpkg>mar: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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10:06<deforol>mar WHOIS
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10:09<babilen>deforol: If you have a question regarding your Debian system just ask it!
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10:17<deforol>babilen: I want to install gnome on my debian
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10:18<babilen>!tell deforol -about install gnome
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10:19<deforol>!tell babilen - How can I do that
10:20<babilen>deforol: See dpkg's message. (Your IRC client probably opened a tab or window somewhere)
10:20<babilen>!install gnome
10:20<dpkg>To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>.
10:20<babilen>deforol: That ^^^ was the message
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10:21<deforol>babilen: ))) thanks. I want to install gnome without internet on my computer with debian
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10:23<babilen>deforol: No way to get internet access? You essentially have two options: 1. Use a tool like apt-zip/apt-walkabout or 2. Download the Debian CDs/DVDs and add them with apt-cdrom
10:23<babilen>!tell deforol -about apt-zip
10:23<babilen>deforol: Is this a new installation?
10:24<deforol>babilen: yes .this is new installation on my netbook
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10:25<babilen>deforol: Ok, you could have used CD1 or DVD1 to install Debian with Gnome, but no need to reinstall again now. You really don't have internet? (How are we chatting now?)
10:25<babilen>deforol: I'll be right back
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10:27<deforol>babilen: I have two computers. On my netbook I have debian, but on the second pc I have windows
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10:27<deforol>babilen: ok
10:27<deforol>)) Im waiting
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10:33<babilen>deforol: Ok, I am not sure what to recommend. Why don't you have network access on your Debian box? How would you connect to the internet with it? (wired/wireless/encryption?) -- Which image did you use to install Debian?
10:34<deforol>minimal version debian
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10:34<babilen>deforol: You mean the netinstall?
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10:36<babilen>deforol: Ok, I guess the easiest way is to download DVD1, add it with "apt-cdrom add" and then install gnome as explained earlier. You could also use DVD1 to reinstall Debian and make sure that you install the Desktop task, but that shouldn't be necessary.
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10:37<babilen>deforol: Yet another option would be to configure network access. How to do that depends on how you can connect to the internet.
10:37<wlightning>or you can install tasksel
10:38<wlightning>and do tasksel --task-packages desktop
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10:38<wlightning>that'll do the same thing as if you had selected desktop to start with (while it has access to the packages via DVD)
10:38<kop>deforol: The netbook has no wired interface?
10:39<deforol>kop: has wired interface
10:39<deforol>but I haven't wireless channels
10:40<kop>deforol: So why not plug it into the network and install X and gnome?
10:40<babilen>deforol: And can you connect your netbook to ethernet?
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10:41<deforol>babilen: I can't now to connect my netbook
10:41<deforol>babilen: I haven't wireless channels
10:42<kop>deforol: You should be able to unplug the wire from the MS Windows box and plug it into your netbook, and go back and forth. Of course you won't be able to talk to us when the machine you're using for irc is unplugged.
10:42<babilen>deforol: I am talking about the wired connection. Why don't you just connect your netbook to it?
10:42<deforol>babilen: I do this tomorrow, when I go to the work
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10:43<deforol>babilen: Im from russia. We are haven't wireless channels in all of the cities places
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10:44<kop>deforol: What are you using to talk to us now? A wire?
10:44<deforol>I using my second computer, wich has windows operating system
10:44<babilen>deforol: And how is that connected to the internet?
10:44<kop>deforol: And how is your windows operating system talking to the internet?
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10:45<babilen>kop: :)
10:45<deforol>by mac addres
10:45<deforol>excuse me
10:46<kop>deforol: Why does the mac address matter?
10:46<babilen>deforol: The computer has to be connected to the internet somehow. You could either have a cable that connects it with your router or you use wireless networks. Which one is it?
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10:47<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
10:47<deforol>cable connect to my computer
10:47<babilen>deforol: You might also like to join the Russian channel ^^^
10:47<babilen>deforol: And you can't connect that cable to your netbook? Or (preferrably) another one?
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10:48<deforol>babilen: no I can't to connect my cable on netbook, because I can't to talk with you my dear babilen
10:49<kop>deforol: You can temporarly stop talking to us. It's ok, we're patient.
10:49<babilen>We will stay here -- You can plug the cable into your netbook, run "ifconfig eth0 up ; dhclient -v eth0 ; apt-get install gnome" and you should be done.
10:50<babilen>deforol: But all that being said: I guess the easiest thing for you to do right now is to download DVD1 (on your windows machine) and install from there.
10:50*kop always forgets about "ifconfig eth0 up".
10:50<deforol>in russians channel debian-ru two mans
10:50<babilen>deforol: it is #debian-russian
10:51<deforol>babilen: ok. I do that tomorrow
10:51<babilen>If you wish
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10:54<deforol>babilen: where are you from&
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11:12<focsh>i have one question
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11:37<deforol>!tell me -about xorg
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11:45<aracon>hi iceman300
11:46<iceman300>i downloaded debian 6.0.3 ... but its only reading my raid 5 hardisks on my server
11:47<iceman300>it wont partition my hardisks and therefore its not installing
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11:49<aracon>iceman300: what raid controller do you have?
11:49<iceman300>intel raid controller II
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11:52<sney>iceman300: your system drives aren't on the raid controller? how are they connected?
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11:54<iceman300>they are, i can see them in debians installer (but it gives "read-only" near the controller in partitioner in the installer)
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11:56<iceman300>any help would be appreciated
11:57<aracon>what does lspci -vv say?
11:57<iceman300>where can i access that ? in a terminal ?
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11:58<aracon>for example
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11:59<iceman300>where can i access that in the bootable dvd ?
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12:00<aracon>* = 3,4,5,6,7 you have to try ;)
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12:03<iceman300>it worked but got a very long list
12:04<iceman300>after entering lspci -vv
12:04<aracon>okay first try "lspci" and look for your raid controller
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12:06<iceman300>okay got it
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12:07<aracon>what does it say :D
12:07<aracon>hello anonimo
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12:08<anonimo>aracan can I talck with you?
12:08<iceman300>the following: raid bus controller: Intel corporation 82801JIR (ICH10R) SATA Controller
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12:09<aracon>well anonimo you could talk to the audience :D
12:10<iceman300>aracon: that was the full line of the raid controller description
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12:10<anonimo>aracon asnwer my on the other dialoge.
12:11<aracon>okay i'll have a look for that
12:11<iceman300>thanks buddy, you guys are awesome! :D
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12:12<anonimo>aracon please! asnwer my on the other dialoge!
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12:15<aracon>iceman300: i think you'll need to tell your installer that you're using dmraid
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12:16<iceman300>aracon: what is dmraid used for ? is it stable on squeeze 6.0.3 ?
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12:20<aracon>iceman300: i'm no expert using dm-raid, but the guide says that it's unstable. I Would rather use the linux-softwareraid
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12:31<iceman300>aracon: didnt work its still read-only :/
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12:33<aracon>iceman300: perhaps you should dissolve the intel-raid and use a linux software raid
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12:34<iceman300>if that done, could it be done after or while installing the OS ?
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12:35<jhutchins_lt>iceman300: If you do lspci -nn you'll get an eight-character PCI ID that we can check against the database for controllers.
12:36<iceman300>okay just a sec... i'll check it
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12:41<iceman300>got it:
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12:48<iceman300>jhutchins_lt: any suggestions ?
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12:48<jhutchins_lt>,pciid 8086:3a25
12:48<judd>[8086:3a25] is '82801JIR (ICH10R) SATA RAID Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'ahci' in squeeze. See also
12:49<jhutchins_lt>iceman300: So it's properly supported in stable.
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12:49<jhutchins_lt>We just don't know the procedure to get it writable in the installer.
12:50<iceman300>could it be a bug ?
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12:51<jhutchins_lt>iceman300: For broad definitions of "bug" maybe.
12:51<jhutchins_lt>iceman300: I would try the gparted live cd:
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12:52<jhutchins_lt>iceman300: If that allows you to partition the raid properly you might be able to do the install to a pre-partitioned array.
12:52<jhutchins_lt>iceman300: Intel might also have information on managing the controller in Linux.
12:53<jhutchins_lt>iceman300: One of the problems is that there are a lot of different controllers out there, and we don't have a large base of people here who have used any given controller.
12:53<iceman300>i got ya
12:53<jhutchins_lt>iceman300: You'll probably find more people who've use your specific chipset in forums on the 'net.
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12:58<iceman300>thanks guys, linux to the bone :D u guys are awesome!!!
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13:23<GTRsdk>How do I configure the NVIDIA drivers to be used?
13:23<jhutchins_lt>!tell GTRsdk about nvidia
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13:34<stomanata>how can i install inssider on debian?
13:35<stomanata> don`t work for me :(
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13:37<retrospectacus>!doesn't work
13:37<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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13:37<GTRsdk>stomanata, What isn't working?
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13:39<stomanata>i do all that is in site, but when i start synaptik
13:39<stomanata>and type inss and all is empty
13:39<GTRsdk>stomanata, So you have added the source?
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13:39<stomanata>also try with apt-get install inssider, but no luck
13:39<stomanata>yes, and key....
13:40<GTRsdk>and did an apt-get update?
13:40<stomanata>mmmmmmmmmm. when i close software sources
13:40<stomanata>it ask me to reload
13:40<stomanata>i use grafical tool :)
13:41<GTRsdk>stomanata, You may want to take a look at this:
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13:42<stomanata>what does it mean? i must have installed all of them?
13:42<GTRsdk>stomanata, do you use 32 bit (i386 or x86) or 64 bit (amd64 or x86_64)
13:42<GTRsdk>no, that is just the packages they provide
13:43<GTRsdk>stomanata, Does this work for you?
13:43<stomanata>why inssider isn`t in the list?
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13:43<GTRsdk>maybe they took it off the server
13:44<GTRsdk>which would explain why you can't install it
13:44<stomanata>no. i try it later
13:44<stomanata>moment to paste....
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13:45<stomanata>bad depends....
13:45<retrospectacus>run "apt-get -f install"
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13:46<retrospectacus>just run "apt-get -f install"
13:47<GTRsdk>stomanata, which version of debian are you using?
13:47<stomanata>aaaaaaaaaaa. ok :)
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13:48<stomanata>it finish
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13:49<stomanata>wow. it return big error :)
13:49<retrospectacus>that's what happens when you try to install Ubuntu packages on Debian :)
13:50<stomanata>there isn`t package for debian :)
13:50<GTRsdk>I could try to make one
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13:50<stomanata>to make package?
13:51<retrospectacus>the problem is org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: No such property PermHwAddress
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13:51<stomanata>what does it mean and how can i fix it?
13:52<retrospectacus>it means this software is not for debian. You need to reprogram the software and package it for debian
13:52<retrospectacus>or use ubuntu
13:52<pieter>Hi guys, I'm building a package for an app of our own.. this has it's own user.. I looked inside the apache package to see how (using dh_ scripts or the rules file) the user is created.. But I cannot find it. Do you guys have any pointers how I can create a user when installing a package (apart from doing it in the postinst)
13:52<stomanata>how can i reprogram it?
13:53<retrospectacus>stomanata: haha ask the people who made it
13:53<stomanata>:). it`s not for me :)
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13:53<stomanata>ok. can a little help with kismet
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13:53<stomanata>i add to kismet.conf to lines....
13:53<GTRsdk>stomanata, The source code should be able to be compiled into a debian package if it is written to be that way
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13:54<stomanata>suiduser=stomanata and source=ath5k,wlan0,Atheros
13:54<stomanata>but it don`t work
13:55<stomanata>GTRsdk, is it written to be that way?
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13:56<GTRsdk>stomanata, I think it would be, but I am not sure. I think rebuilding the package in Debian may help. But I'm running Wheezy.
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13:59<stomanata>but this also don`t work...
14:00<retrospectacus>stomanata: you keep using that term "don't work" ... remember what dpkg said about that statement
14:00<GTRsdk>stomanata, I think you would have to get the source then add the debian folder change some stuff in debian/control, then rebuild, then you would have a working .deb. Compiling may be easier than simply making a .deb
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14:04<stomanata>i donwload inssider_0.1.1.0429_amd64.deb
14:04<stomanata>and then...
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14:06<retrospectacus>stomanata: you already showed us that.
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14:08<stomanata>yes. but this is debian package (not ubuntu) and don`t work.
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14:08<stomanata>so i can`t use inssider ot my debian?
14:08<retrospectacus>we have established that you can install but cannot run the program because it's for Ubuntu. The logical next step is to use a different program. You could try modifying it to work on Debian but you will need the source code
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14:09<stomanata>but this is too difficult for me
14:09<stomanata>ok. and what about kismet?
14:09<retrospectacus>almost certainly
14:09<retrospectacus>never heard of it
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14:10<stomanata>never heard for kismet?
14:10<g0rs>its wlan client to sniff wlan packets
14:10<dpkg>Kismet is a wireless network detector, sniffer and <IDS>. Read /usr/share/doc/kismet/README.gz for details regarding capture sources. Kismet will not work with <ndiswrapper>. Intel <iwlagn> users: use the iwl4965 source type. #kismet at
14:10<g0rs>if you want to hack wep networks, you use kismet
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14:11<stomanata>no. my first reason to see hidden network
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14:12<stomanata>because there is free (unlocked) network near me, but it is hidden...
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14:14<g0rs>stomanata: be aware that using others wlan is illegal depending on your country or state
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14:15<stomanata>yes if you hack it. this is free, but hidden...
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14:16<g0rs>how is it free? are you in a store or airport?
14:16<stomanata>no. at home :)
14:16<g0rs>there is also a hidden lan near me but i never tried to get into it
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14:18<retrospectacus>hello Juanma
14:18<Juanma>k aces
14:18<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:18<Juanma>k disees
14:18<stomanata>ok. 10x
14:19<Juanma> eooo
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14:19<g0rs>my router seems like its been hacked or tampered in sw
14:20<g0rs>time to get a linksys router :)
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14:22<g0rs>i cant upload another binary image into my router
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14:34<mika_>Is there anyone here
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14:34<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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14:34<retrospectacus>mika_: there are hundreds of us here, as you can see.
14:35<mika_>anything about Wordpress?
14:35<retrospectacus>this is #debian. What about wordpress?
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14:35<mika_>Oh cool
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14:41<chatnix>how do i replace gnome with openbox? openbox-session is somehow corrupted by gnome and won't work...and i don't have an xorg.conf to use with startx
14:42<retrospectacus>dpkg: openbox
14:42<dpkg>Openbox is an X window manager originally based on <Blackbox> 0.65.0, then rewritten in C (no code based on Blackbox since v3.0). #openbox on
14:43<retrospectacus>chatnix: unless you have error messages or other useful info that's all I can tell you
14:43<chatnix>retrospectacus: this is not openbox-specific, how to make startx working properly?
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14:44<retrospectacus>I have no idea, you haven't said anything about how it's failing
14:44<chatnix>retrospectacus: currently it tries starting up a broken gnome session...i'm not sure why since there is no xorg.conf
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14:50<retrospectacus>chatnix: I'm not trying to be mean, but you still haven't given any useful information. Help us help you. Tell us what you've done, what you're trying to do, how it fails <pastebin>
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15:07<chatnix>retrospectacus: ok, now i have an xorg.conf and an .xinitrc that is supposed to start an openbox-session...for some reason a gnome-daemon pops up and produces a whole battery of errors my question is still: how to stop gnome from interferring in my X-session?
15:07<chatnix>retrospectacus: since there is no mention of anything gnome in .xinitrc why is it involved at all?
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15:15<chatnix>startx actually does start an openbox session, but gnome-settings-daemon turns up from somewhere and creates havoc: the openbox session locks up and won't go away unless i kill -9 it
15:16<raylu>so i'm on wheezy/testing and i just upgraded to gnome3. my thinkpad's trackpoint's middle-click scroll functionality seems to have gone. previously, i set it up with gpointing-device-settings but it seems to do nothing now
15:16<raylu>chatnix: are you on gnome3?
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15:19<chatnix>raylu: yes, unfortunately :-(
15:20<chatnix>what is this accursed gnome-settings-daemon anyway? it's not listed in /etc/init.d
15:20<raylu>chatnix: chatnix
15:20<raylu>it starts up with gnome-session
15:20<raylu>wait, do you want openbox + gnome or just openbox?
15:21<chatnix>raylu: but there shouldn't be a gnome session! i want openbox alone
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15:21<raylu>chatnix: oh. are you using {g,x}dm?
15:21<chatnix>what triggers this gnome session? i have disabled gdm3 and made very sure that .xinitrc and xorg.conf are gnome-free
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15:22<chatnix>hm, there should be a config for openbox somewhere?
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15:23<scraze>if openbox is like fluxbox, there should be a ~/.openbox and perhaps gnome-settings-daemon is called from ~/.openbox/startup
15:23<chatnix>scraze: indeed! just found it...and it's full of gnome-junk
15:23<scraze>ah, that should be it :}
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15:25<chatnix>and how did that happen?? gnome decided to take over my openbox when i installed it?
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15:26<chatnix>ah! finally openbox started
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15:29<scraze>chatnix: I don't think it's something gnome would do to openbox/fluxbox by itself, but perhaps you set up Gnome/Openbox once? as in openbox as WM for Gnome
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15:30<raylu>could be that the first time openbox starts up, it writes a default config
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15:30<raylu>anyway, i seem to have fixed the trackpoint scroll by writing a file to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ... didn't think i had to mess with that file ever again
15:31<chatnix>scraze: i only installed the openbox package...i never intended gnome to capture it
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15:31<chatnix>raylu: so you are actually intending to use this horrible gnome3?
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15:33<raylu>chatnix: for now. i need to get work done. maybe later i'll figure out what to switch to
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15:33<raylu>i pretty much only need a panel and gnome-terminal
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15:40<eshat>chromium 15 is broken here
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15:40<dpkg>( The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! )
15:40<eshat>yippie :)
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15:41*eshat found
15:41<shanks>eshat: I run chromium 15 on stable
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15:44<shanks>in fact there is a shiny new iceweasel waiting for me on yum
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15:45<sney->I just use google's chrome build, it's pretty much self-contained and plays nice with stable and testing
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15:46<shanks>sney-: is that the one via ?
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15:48<sney->shanks: yeah
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15:48<shanks>sney-: yeah that's the one I use too. Come's with it's own WebKit
15:48<chatnix>indeed, google's chrome package works very well...i've never had any troubles
15:49<sney->chromium is more Free but I'm not personally super concerned about that as long as it doesn't cause usability issues or require binary blobs
15:49<shanks>chatnix: only problem I have is that is sometimes a bit laggy
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15:50<n30>does testing still have gnome 2.x available?
15:50<sney->if you want gnome 2 in debian, stable is your only option.
15:50<shanks>n30: you'll just have to jump to Xfce like all the others ;-)
15:50<n30>how long is it supported?
15:51<n30>yea im thinking xfce or lxde
15:51<sney->stable? through next year at least
15:51<sney->xfce is pretty good for a less-bloat gtk desktop
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15:52<n30>ok ty
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15:55<learner>Hello guys, I d'like to know when do I need to run the grub-install command?(except the time I install grub) I'm confused why would I need to run it a second time?
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15:57<sney->learner: sometimes you need to run it when changing your hard drive configuration.
15:57<sney->learner: but for the most part Debian will keep it up to date automatically with kernel updates etc
15:58<retrospectacus>learner: or if you installed windows and it "fixed" your boot disk
15:58<sney->ah yes, windows's mbr "repair" is definitely up there
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15:59<shanks>does debian have a rescue image or is it a part of the standard installer?
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15:59<learner>if I accidently replace the kernel with other one I would have to run grub-install again ?or if I change the configuration file of grub
15:59<retrospectacus>update-grub will do
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16:01<learner>IF I install a new kernel with a new name in /boot do I need to rerun grub-install or if I rerun it will solve the problem?
16:01<sney->shanks: there's a rescue version of debian-live ( and the installer also has a minimal rescue mode
16:01<retrospectacus>learner: if you installed it with apt you don't need to do anything
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16:01<learner>I am just curious to learn more about the command
16:02<shanks>sney-: is it farily exhaustive ? I usually use knoppix or system-rescue, but all my systems are debian
16:03<sney->shanks: I've never used the live rescue cd but it has a following. I don't think it has a gui like knoppix though
16:04<shanks>not too bothered about the gui since I don't get on with them anyway. so long as it has all the system recovery tools I'm happy
16:06<chatnix>does anyone what it takes to make network-manager function with openbox?
16:06<chatnix>*anyone KNOW
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16:07<scraze>chatnix: for me, nm-applet & works in fluxbox
16:08<scraze>i used to have it in ~/.fluxbox/startup, that worked nicely
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16:11<babilen>scraze: Might be unrelated, but do you start your session with ck-launch-session?
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16:13<chatnix>babilen: no, archwiki mentions that it?
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16:16<babilen>chatnix: And why do you terminate the nm-applet process when you see some warnings? I would use ck-launch-session and then start nm-applet. I have absolutely no idea what is needed to convince openbox to display a tray (if anything), but the network-manager applet should appear in there
16:16<sney->well, he could run lxpanel
16:17<scraze>also possibly unrelated - can you run gconf-editor without problems?
16:17<chatnix>babilen: i didin't terminate it, it terminated itself somehow...this is the only that changes when i ck-launch as you suggested
16:18<chatnix>scraze: yes, gconf-editor works
16:19<scraze>fwiw, the first two messages appear for me as well, they aren't problematic
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16:22<chatnix>scraze: anything i have to do before starting nm-applet?
16:22<scraze>chatnix: nope, I have nothing in ~/.fluxbox/startup now and it just works spontaneously
16:23<scraze>i have configured it earlier in gnome2 though, but that shouldn't make a difference even if you haven't
16:23<scraze>I should mention, I'm on wheezy
16:24<chatnix>scraze: i'm on wheezy too
16:24<chatnix>i also have no sound in openbox, what to do about that?
16:25<scraze>oh hey, then we should move to #debian-next :p
16:26<chatnix>is this channel stable-centric?
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16:27<sney->chatnix: yeah, since #debian-next was created for testing/sid discussion
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16:59<learner>is someone here who have taken the lpi 101 exam?
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17:04<retrospectacus>learner: that doesn't sound like a debian question
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17:16<steven>Hey, is this the place to ask for some help?
17:16<wompa>steven, yes, for Debian related problems.
17:17<steven>Okay, I'm trying to install squeeze (using the graphical installer on the netinstall disc) but I'm having trouble with my network. It uses WPA security but the install only prompts me for a WEP key.
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17:18<steven>Oh, and I do have some linux knowledge, so I can handle technical answers :P
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17:18<retrospectacus>the installer does not support WPA iirc
17:19<retrospectacus>reconfigure your router to be open/WEP or use ethernet
17:19<steven>Can I switch back to WPA after installation then?
17:19<steven>And apt-get install wpasupplicant or something?
17:19<retrospectacus>sure, the installed system does support wpa
17:19<steven>Oh, okay. Thank you.
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17:20<retrospectacus>depending on your wireless device, I think
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17:25<steven>Also, are either ext3 or ext4 recommended over the other?
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17:33<wompa>steven, don't know, but if you would like to share a partition with a Lenny installation you should have ext3 for that
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17:33<steven>No, I'm just installing squeeze, no dual-booting or anything
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17:46<learner>what does || operator does?
17:46<learner>in bash
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17:46<retrospectacus>it means "or"
17:46<retrospectacus>ie if the command on the left failed, run the command on the right
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17:47<retrospectacus>ping -c1 foo || echo failed to contact foo
17:47<cmr>learner: That works because of short-circuit evaluations. Bash is smart enough to know that if the left hand is true, there is no need to run the right hand side.
17:48<learner>thank you
17:48<EmleyMoor>Is it possible to update alsa to the latest version easily on squeeze?
17:48<learner>What command is used to view binary data using the text-console?
17:49<cmr>learner: You probably want od, but describe your problem better.
17:49<retrospectacus>learner: usually a proper viewer/player for the data. You don't really want to "view binary data" usually
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17:49<scraze>i like to use hexedit & xxd
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17:51<EmleyMoor>What exactly is the effect of installing "alsa-source"?
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17:53<scraze>EmleyMoor: you would be installing alsa's source. :} compile with m-a iirc
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17:53<EmleyMoor>scraze: OK - does that stand a good chance of giving me updated drivers?
17:54<scraze>EmleyMoor: I believe drivers are included in that package
17:54<EmleyMoor>I'll have a look
17:54*EmleyMoor has a "limited control" problem with his sound hardware
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17:55<scraze>indeed alsa-source contains a alsa-driver.tar.bz2, which will no doubt be extracted & compiled by m-a
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17:59<EmleyMoor>If this even merely changes the colour of the noise I manage to record, it will be promising...
18:01<givealittle>does anyone know if du adds handles hardlinks to the same data correctly in it's results?
18:02<retrospectacus>givealittle: it does
18:03<givealittle>retrospectacus, thanks
18:03<EmleyMoor>Blimey, this is a slow build...
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18:05<shanks>does current LVM detract from the benefit of a journalled filesystem (ext3) ?
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18:08*nevyn is all about the lvm
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18:09<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy way to reload all ALSA modules?
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18:12<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... snd_bt87x is in use!
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18:13<scraze>EmleyMoor: try lsof /dev/snd/* to see if something is really using it
18:13<retrospectacus>EmleyMoor: doesn't get much easier than "reboot"
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18:13<Motawn>Does anybody know if there is a socks5 proxy server in the repository ?
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18:16<scraze>Motawn: polipo I believe
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18:17<Motawn>mmm i think polipo and privoxy is clients arnt they,
18:17<scraze>a client would be like a browser, I thought :s
18:18<retrospectacus>I just use SSH for socks5 proxy
18:18<givealittle>how painful (in terms of breakage) is it for a desktop change form stable -> testing ?
18:19<scraze>givealittle: right now is the worst period, gnome3 just hit testing and it breaks for many people :] (most of them using nvidia though, it's an interaction-problem)
18:19<Motawn>retrospectacus > I would too, but i need a open lan socks5 proxy
18:19<retrospectacus>givealittle: it depends on your hardware, but I'd say "extremely. in almost all cases"
18:19<givealittle>scraze, using xfce so that should be good... but might cause issue for gtk apps
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18:20<givealittle>so then testing is broken atm?
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18:20<scraze>haven't done one of those for a while but you might survive - just make sure you have a backup :p
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18:21<retrospectacus>givealittle: pretty much. It's where software is being "tested".
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18:21<givealittle>I've been manually keeping up packages compile from source because stable is just too far behind, but I've been afraid to try testing
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18:21<retrospectacus>backports are good :)
18:21<scraze>your mileages may vary heavily, but personally am enjoying testing (even though I've now evaded to fluxbox because gnome3 won't play nice with dual screen * nvidia from sid)
18:21<givealittle>yeah, several of my apps (inkscape) are not in bpo
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18:22<givealittle>I thought testing was wheezy
18:22<givealittle>isn't sid unstable?
18:22<chatnix>givealittle: i've had very little troubles with testing
18:22<scraze>yes, it is - nvidia packages from sid, rest is from wheezy
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18:23<scraze>to fix a certain performance-related bug
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18:24<givealittle>I'm using xfce so that should be safe (I would think)
18:25<givealittle>chatnix, did you upgrade or do a clean install of testing?
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18:27<chatnix>givealittle: clean install, or actually a clean squeeze-install that i immediately upgraded (at the suggestion of someone here)
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18:27<retrospectacus>Motawn: seems to me you can run a socks5 proxy on any linux by doing "ssh -g -D1080 localhost" then set that machine:1080 as the proxy on all clients
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18:28<Motawn>Mm really, and no external access ? and they would be able to just put localhost:1080 in their irc clients and go ?
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18:29<retrospectacus>Motawn: no, the machine name, not localhost, and in the proxy settings
18:30<Motawn>All servers in the lan has so one of those of course
18:31<retrospectacus>ya. so on (e.g.) run "ssh -g -D1080 localhost" and then all clients in the lan can use as their socks proxy
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18:32<Motawn>Perfect and easy, will it work on startup or do i need a script for that ?
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18:33<retrospectacus>why would it work on startup?
18:34<retrospectacus>of course you have to run the command... you could put it in /etc/rc.local or such
18:34<EmleyMoor>I have just installed the new alsa modules and I'm getting CPU lockups - any way I can get started without them, to remove them?
18:34<scraze>either put it in /etc/rc.local or create a cronjob with the string '@reboot'
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18:35<EmleyMoor>(or have I hosed my system totally?)
18:35<scraze>EmleyMoor: if you can't log in at all, try the single user mode at boot-up (in the grub menu or when using LILO hold shift IIRC); then blacklist the modules in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
18:36<EmleyMoor>scraze: Even single user mode is giving the trouble...
18:37<EmleyMoor>I need a way to "steer around" the problem to get into single user mode...
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18:38<scraze>have you tried other kernels? I'm not sure but believe that m-a installs only for the current kernel
18:38<Motawn>retrospectacus > Im just a nub. But thanks for the command and advise, works perfect
18:38<scraze>otherwise boot from a live disk and move the modules to a safe place
18:38<EmleyMoor>I have only the one kernel
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18:38<retrospectacus>Motawn: glad to hear it is working for you :)
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18:39<EmleyMoor>scraze: Looks like I'll have to do that...
18:39<scraze>EmleyMoor: if you don't have a live disk, an install disk should work as well
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18:42<givealittle>oh well, what's another week of trying to fix my system going to matter. I'll try out squeeze->wheezy. Any tips before I walk the plank?
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18:42<retrospectacus>givealittle: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy
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18:43<retrospectacus>hmm that's not extremely helpful. My tip is keep one foot in #debian-next
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18:44<givealittle>retrospectacus, thanks mate, but I knew how to do it, just asking for tips from others who have done it.
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18:46<scraze>givealittle: I agree with retrospectacus, keep a foot in #debian-next :] that's all
18:49<EmleyMoor>Even grml is now troublesome!
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18:51<Thanatermesis>anybody knows how the "debian maintainers guide" is writed ? (more specifically, translated)
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18:53<cmr>Thanatermesis: #debian-newmaint might
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19:27<shanet>Hi all, I am using the current BPO kernel and have noticed stability issues where GNOME crashes. I believe this is related to the current kernel, because as far as I am aware the DM has not been updated and the kernel has - since the kernel upgrade my DM crashes occasionally.
19:28<shanet>I have attempted to look into the log files however there are 57 different log files to choose from... *sigh*
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19:30<scraze>shanet: the most verbose should be ~/.xsession_errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
19:30<shanet>scraze: Should I not be looking under /var/log/gdm3?
19:31<scraze>however ~/.xsession_errors gets overwritten when a new session is started, so it will only contain the right information after a crash & before Xorg is restarted
19:31<scraze>s/Xorg is restarted/the user owning ~/.xsession_errors logs in/
19:31<shanet>It crashes then almost immediately re-appears though.
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19:35<scraze>as far as I can see /var/log/gdm3/:0(-slave)?.log don't contain the same information as ~/.xession-errors
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19:38<scraze>by "re-appears" you mean the greeter / log-in dialog?
19:40<EmleyMoor>This motherboard dislikes grml on a stick, it seems
19:41<scraze>EmleyMoor: any image that can read your partition type should be good
19:41<cmr>But grml on a stick is delicious! It's missing out
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19:42<EmleyMoor>Either that or my stick is corrupted
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19:44<grim>i've been googling/reading the /usr/share/doc/gnome-shell/* for awhile now and can't figure out how to fallback to metacity... any help?
19:45<grim>i should say move back to metacity, not fallback, but whatever
19:46<scraze>EmleyMoor: assuming you're IRCing from another linux system, cat some.iso > /dev/sdX; md5sum some.iso /dev/sdX; to check whether the stick correctly holds all the data of the iso & the iso isn't too large (otherwise a different type of checksum might be better)
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19:47<scraze>grim: on wheezy I assume? first, come to #debian-next :]
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19:47<grim>scraze: just saw it in the topic and i'm there ;)
19:48<grim>sorry about that btw... need to remember that in the future :)
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20:08<EmleyMoor>Right, what exactly should I do to blacklist the alsa modules?
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20:11<Samplezt>im looking for a good dj software.. any suggestions?
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20:17<scraze>EmleyMoor: perhaps the fastest is to check which modules were compiled in alsa-source - there probably is a /usr/src/modules/alsa-source/, if so, add the output of the following to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf: find /usr/src/modules/alsa-source/ | grep "ko$" | while read line; do basename $line; done | sed "s/^/blacklist /"
20:17<TCW>EmleyMoor, "the" alsa module? There are several. Some general modules and specific ones for different sound hardware...
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20:19<EmleyMoor>TCW: Module*s*, plural. Need to block the lot temporarily
20:19<TCW>EmleyMoor, oops... sorry, I missed that tiny "s" :)
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20:20<TCW>I guess blacklisting snd-* is what you want?
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20:29<dpkg>Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from or use the sources.list line "deb stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead.
20:30<wald0>since debian has non-free repository, why is not included skype on it ? the license doesn't allow redistribute ?
20:31<babilen>Most likely even
20:31<dardevelin>well mint has it on their repos
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20:31<sney->mint has lower standards than debian
20:31<dardevelin>so not sure if license issues
20:31<EmleyMoor>scraze: Close enough - got me back into Debian
20:33<scraze>EmleyMoor: nice :] not sure where you should go from there though, sounds like a problem too entrenched to easily solve with those drivers .. only thing I can think of is perhaps pulseaudio is running system wide and doesn't know how to deal with the new alsa, but that seems highly unlikely
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20:35<Belmont>scraze: It doesn't get far enough for that to be the issue
20:35<wald0>im just reading the New Maintainers Guide in the part about the non-free section, skype just scratched my head, it is a very wanted application by the users so i wondered why is not in debian
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20:37<jordanm>wald0: some licenses don't allow distribution *at all*. debian does not distribute software in non-free when it is illegal for them to do so. Others may not care
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20:37<jordanm>wald0: not saying that is the case for skype, but it is likely
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20:39<wald0>they should be really stupid to do something like that... i understand the case for a selling software but not for a selling service
20:39<jordanm>(a) sub-license, sell, assign, rent, lease, export, import, distribute or transfer or otherwise grant rights to any third party in the Software;
20:39<jordanm>looks like that is the case
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20:40<wald0>well, anyways
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20:43<JoeKickass>hi yugecn
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20:48<marcus>hey is the pinguy help room
20:48<marcus>is this
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20:48<scraze>no, this is #debian
20:48<marcus>new to this
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20:49<dpkg>Pinguy OS is a GNU/Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian. #pinguyos on See also <based on debian>.
20:49<scraze>dpkg really knows everything, doesnt he :]
20:49<dpkg>i don't know, scraze
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21:07<TCW> <<- bluetooth-usbstick dmesg kernel output when plugged in but hcitool dev does not list the device (only another bt stck I have plugged in), so probably a broken device?
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21:12<scraze>TCW: not necessarily, it could be a problem with the bluetooth/btusb modules
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21:14<scraze>TCW: if modules bluetooth/btusb/bnep/rfcomm are loaded and the stick/chipset is supported by the module/kernel version, then it might indeed be broken
21:15<scraze>actually since you mentioned another bt stick being listed, it comes down to whether that particular stick is supported with the current module
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21:16<TCW>At least I _think_ it was supported some time ago. SO either broken or a regression...
21:17<TCW>as I have another stick plugged in permanently in a usb-hub at my desk, this maybe-broken stick is just lying around and collecting dust in general. I just took it with me for laptop use when I went off-site a few days back... and realised it did not work.
21:18<scraze>searching for the usb-id should give you definitive answers :]
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21:19<TCW>if others bothered filling google with something ;) buut let's see
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21:20<scraze>TCW: if you can hand me the usb id I'll search along :]
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21:21<TCW>057c:3800 AVM GmbH BlueFRITZ! Bluetooth Stick <<-- even if it is already in the pastebin-paste--- here is it again :p
21:21<TCW>.oO( New USB device found, idVendor=057c, idProduct=3800 )
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21:23<scraze>d'oh - sorry :)
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21:24<scraze>it's a BlueFRITZ! Bluetooth Stick ?
21:25<TCW>scraze, why else should I note that name along with the usb-id? :p
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21:26<scraze>TCW: no reason, just checking :p .. for which there also is no reason. Apparently an exercise in futility. More apologies! :]
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21:29<scraze>TCW: I've currently broken my bluetooth situation here while experimenting with some stuff :p but does hciconfig perchance show both sticks?
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21:29<TCW>scraze, oops... yes it does
21:30<TCW>and that means... what exactly? :)
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21:30<scraze>then apparently hciconfig hci1 up should do the trick
21:31<TCW>drastea:~# hciconfig hci1 up
21:31<TCW>Can't init device hci1: Connection timed out (110)
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21:33<TCW>btw. the LED does not flash / blink it is a steady green light. All other BT-stuff I know if blinks...
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21:34<TCW>ahh.... I still have a stable box around... almost forgot that one. Booting up and testing with 2.6.32
21:35<scraze>I'm not that familiar with BT stuff, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that it doesn't blink when it's not online / not receiving or sending data at all (and a lot of BT comes online by default)
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21:37<TCW>scraze, problem resolved... sort of :) works with 2.6.32 so it looks like a regression :)
21:38<scraze>ok :} nice-ish
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21:39<TCW>at least hcitool shows the dev, gnome does show the bt-icon and a search does find the other computers bt-stick and my mobile phone...
21:40<TCW>I guess that qualifies as "works" :)
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21:43<scraze>scary though.. which kernel version is the problematic one?
21:43<TCW>tomorrow I will test that further and report it as a bug.
21:43<scraze>nice :}
21:43<TCW>scraze, sid vs stable
21:43<TCW>so 3.0.7 vs 2.6.32
21:44<scraze>living on the edge :]
21:44<TCW>not at all... it still feels like Debian :p
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21:45<TCW>mainline: 3.2-rc1 2011-11-08 <- that would be at least somewhat "living on the edge" but even that does not qualify imho... you must run latest git for "bleeding edge" :p
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21:50<scraze>I was referring to using sid, but then again - I've never ran it, dardevelin just described it today as a more stable experience than wheezy :]
21:51<wompa>oh, really, and I'm installing wheezy now :|
21:51<TCW>at least bugs come and go rather fast... when in testing they tend to stick around a while longer imho ;)
21:52<TCW>wompa, why not stable with backports? The testing / unstable path should not be gone without good reasons and a fair amount of a bit deeper knowledge about "how things work" in debian.
21:52<dardevelin>TCW, they stay a lot longer
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21:52<dardevelin>on testing
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21:53<wompa>TCW, I'm just testing testing :)
21:53<wompa>On it's own partition
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21:54<dardevelin>for me was simple, as an individual that wants to start messing with development, working with sid is a plus
21:55<dardevelin>also like bleeding edge and have no problem if the system breaks
21:55<dardevelin>so sid is cool for me
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21:55<dardevelin>also works as a learning tool, since if it breaks i'm able to try fix it :D
21:56<TCW>Here it goes almost always like this: New box needs to be debianized -->> I install stable. Something not as I want / to old / not available as backport... oh hell --->> upgrade to testing. Testing to buggy, still to old or other bogus issues... -->> upgrading to unstable... and happy ever after :)
21:57<dardevelin>eheheh i also went to sid from squeeze :)
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21:58<TCW>At least I want to run stable... but almost always there is something preventing me from doing it :) and as sid works for me like a charm in general... who cares :)
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22:00<dardevelin>sid is incomparably way more stable then ubuntu LTS
22:00<TCW>I wouldn't go that far... but mostly because I *never* installed / used ubuntu anywhere :)
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22:01<dardevelin>well i can go i've seen it with my eyes
22:01<dardevelin>and with apt-list..
22:01<dardevelin>no comparison
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22:02<dardevelin>ubuntu once you start updating
22:02<dardevelin>things start to go wrong
22:02<TCW>are there so many updated packages? That somehow contradicts the principle of stable...
22:03<dardevelin>the problem is, your system might be running ok
22:03<dardevelin>maybe with a package that has X glitch
22:03<TCW>I am just mildly familiar with how ubuntu works... and even that may be an overestimation... so no real idea how the distro works.
22:03<dardevelin>but 7out of 10 and update will break something else and not properly fix you stuff
22:04<TCW>dardevelin, are you sure you are not a bit too... hum... anti-ubuntu-ish here? ;)
22:04<dardevelin>nah men
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22:04<dardevelin>i wanted to try quickly for example
22:05<dardevelin>so i picked up my external hdd
22:05<dardevelin>all nice and dandy
22:05<dardevelin>dist-upgrade bang hang on the tty
22:05<TCW>For me I'd say... I don't like ubuntu because of the attitude of a vast majority of its users, devs and of course the comercial background of it.
22:06<TCW>dardevelin, dist-upgrade from what to what?
22:06<dardevelin>thats another issue that i'm not even addressing... since i knew what to expect from them
22:06<dardevelin>just to install updates, it wasn't a real distro upgrade
22:06<dardevelin>but those are even worst
22:07<cmr>I don't like ubuntu because for the little I've used it, I need to strip off almost everything to get to a point where I can start configuring it how I like and know what's running.
22:07<TCW>security updates?
22:07<dardevelin>i know people that use ubuntu for years that reinstall ever year because it crashes
22:07<TCW>I know of cows that can fly... ;)
22:08<dardevelin>yes some were security
22:08<dardevelin>the people i'm talking know their stuff on gnu
22:08<dardevelin>but upgrading from versions is almost always a huge pain
22:08<dardevelin>your lucky if it works
22:09<dardevelin>i mean if you want to try, is just simple, try download a older version and upgrade
22:09<TCW>what I meant is... some things tend to break for some users always. Call it voodoo or bad karma ;) but some kids get everything broken :D
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22:10<TCW>dardevelin, hmm... let me think of that a moment...
22:10<TCW>NO! :p
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22:10<TCW>I have surely better things to do than instaling and upgradeing an OS just to see how crappy it is :)
22:11<dardevelin>you can excuse yourself and say you want to give a look at elementary desktop
22:11<dardevelin>luna to be more precise
22:11<dardevelin>has some good things
22:11<dardevelin>others not so much
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22:11<TCW>if one would say it would be as smooth as a fresh breeze in early spring, no issues, a warm feeling of rebirth and so on... yeah, worth a try... but see how shitty that is for yourself... naaah ;)
22:12<dardevelin>not counting unity concept sucks big time ( but thats just my personal view of it )
22:13<TCW>and with gnome3 I have my own personal debianish user-interface-debacle, I don't need to see unity or other new ui-concepts on the ubuntu market :)
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22:16<user_>whats up with the wifi connect speed in linux
22:17<TCW>user_, pardon?
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22:17<user_>takes about one half eternity to connect to a wifi router
22:17<user_>mac os does in about 1 second
22:18<TCW>user_, not a general issue... I have LOTS of wifi-equipped boxes running debian, no issues at all there.
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22:18<user_>so what would you ballpark your average connect time at?
22:19<TCW>user_, try using static ip configuration and not dhcp... is it as fast as you want then?
22:19<TCW>static confic around 1sec, dhcp around 3 sec
22:19<user_>whats the hold up
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22:21<TCW>it may be that macos uses a cached lease while GNU/Linux tends to get a new one when re-connecting
22:21<TCW>but I am just guessing and... I really don't mind if the connect needs 3 seconds
22:21<user_>well im trying to set up something to work inside a large warehouse
22:21<wompa>Where do I find netboot images for Sid?
22:22<TCW>wompa, iirc you don't
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22:22<user_>and i need it to hop from one wifi to another as fast as posible
22:23<TCW>wompa, sid is not a real distro so there is no "installer" for it. Basic approach if you want to run sid, install stable / testing and upgrade.
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22:23<TCW>user_, then dhcp is not what you want in general and that is teh first thing you should have a look at
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22:24<cmr>user_: Have you profiled it yet?
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22:25<TCW>wompa, and just btw. "netboot images" is something different... I guess you mean "netinst images" :)
22:25<wompa>No, netboot.
22:25<TCW>wompa, like booting via pxe / nfs?
22:25<wompa>I just installed wheezy with netboot
22:25<wompa>w/o nfs
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22:26<TCW>ahh, ok... then the same applies for those netboot "installers"
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22:26<TCW>the same == no installer available (for good reasons)
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22:46<user_>profiled what=
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22:56<user_>any suggestions as to whats the best wifi card/stick for linux
22:57<MrFrood>an ethernet cable is best
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22:59<dvs>user_: Atheros-based cards are the best (no firmware needed)
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23:21<metaspike>ok it's not -really- important but hear me out if you got the time.
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23:25<metaspike>im looking some audio visualisation, something that i can link up with jack. that would be awesome.
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23:36<wompa>metaspike, I think the "most common" media players have some plugins with audio visual effects
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23:52<wompa>I just installed sid, now I would like to enable Gnome shell, but it requires 3d support and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau doesn't provide that (what I can see). My card is Nvidia gt220
23:53<wompa>I don't mind installing some nonfree driver to get it to work in the meantime that nouveau hopefully gets better support.
23:55<metaspike>so you have installed gnome shell already?
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23:57<metaspike>do you have the kernel driver
23:58<wompa>If you mean a nonfree nvidia-something package, no
23:58<wompa>I'm not sure which packages I should install.
23:59<metaspike>my guess is nvidia-glx, read: guess :)
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