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---Logopened Thu Nov 10 00:00:12 2011
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00:03<metaspike> - well it says that it's for geforce 6xxx and above, anyway- have a read :)
00:03<wompa>ok, thank you
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00:11<sney>wompa: sid support goes to #debian-next; you'll also need to install your kernel headers and get nvidia-kernel-dkms.
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00:31<billi>Quale versione di Debian consigliate per iniziare ?
00:32<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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00:50<nik>I installed wheezy, but now my windows OS isn't showing up in GRUB. halp?
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00:51<sney>Guest16547: make sure os-prober is installed and run update-grub as root
00:51<Guest16547>I have :(
00:51<Guest16547>let me try again, brb
00:51<Guest16547>oh, it worked this time!
00:51<Guest16547>thanks :)
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01:03<IOM>i have a question: i'm trying to map packages from apt to their repsective .deb files on the apt cache directory
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01:04<IOM>i mostly have things figured out, but i'm running into a situation that i cant explain with the tzdata package
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01:05<IOM>running apt-cache show tzdata lists the package architecture as "all", but the .deb in the cache directory end with _i386.deb
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01:05<IOM>can someone explain that to me?
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01:09<jm_>IOM: which debian release is that?
01:09<IOM>heh... yeah... it's ubuntu 11.10 (yeah, sorry, but apt should be the same, right)
01:10<jm_>better ask in ubuntu related channel then
01:10<IOM>the weird thing is that it gets cached to the _all.deb package on another ubuntu install
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01:11<IOM>ok, for the more general question then, how do i map a package to a .deb file in the package cache (/var/cache/apt/archives/)
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01:11<jm_>I'd look at how apt-cache figures it out
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01:13<jm_>in fact, looking at Packages.gz it's obvious
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01:26<aussa>hi, have any of you used bumblebee for hybrid graphics, I'm trying to install it but I don't know if I should install nvidia drivers the debian way or the nvidia installer way
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01:32<jonathan>hey is xubuntu good for eeepc's?
01:32<jonathan>or is there something better?
01:33<sney>I run debian on my eeepc
01:33<sney>the kde-plasma-netbook interface is pretty much perfect for the small screen
01:34<jonathan>it looks good on here
01:34<jonathan>i mean no problems so far
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01:35<sney>this isn't the xubuntu channel by the way.
01:35<dpkg>debian is probably See
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01:42<nomada>Happy Pi day!!!
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01:47<benjr>wow very happy with this new keyboard, logitech website said windows and mac only, they both have to install a software suite to sync the device etc
01:47<benjr>i plug it into debian, within 2 sec its working, didnt do anything but plug in the wireless dongle
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01:56<nevyn>benjr: the software will do stuff like the feature buttons
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01:57<nevyn>have a look at hotkeys which should let you make them do useful things in debian
01:57<jeff007>hello, i don't know what privileges for chroot directory ... for example : /etc/openvpn/jail ... chroot jail ... i create user and group for processus ... openvpn:openvpn ... after ls /etc/openvpn/jail drwxr-xr-x 2 root root is it good? thank you for help
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02:04<benjr>nevyn, hmm, could i assign one of my mouse buttons to be a virtual desktop switcher?
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02:06<jeff007>is there anyone who help me?
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02:21<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy way to obtain iceweasel-l10n-en-gb for 8.0 on squeeze?
02:22<cmr>EmleyMoor: does help?
02:23<EmleyMoor>cmr: That doesn't carry l10n as far as I know
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02:23<dardevelin>EmleyMoor, yes, you can add sid repo
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02:23<dardevelin>download only package
02:23<dardevelin>remove sid repo
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02:23<dardevelin>and install package
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02:24<EmleyMoor>dardevelin: I will check to see if it's in sid yet but a quick look so far has not shown it
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02:25<dardevelin>it is in sid, i'm using it and i just checked for the package b4 recommending
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02:25<EmleyMoor>Hold on...
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02:25<dardevelin>iceweasel-l10n-en-gb version 1:7.0.1+debian-1
02:25<jm_>yeah just the main package is 8.0
02:25<metaspike>might want to use "aptitude -t sid "packagename" to get it from the specified repo? dunno
02:26<metaspike>it all sounds pretty dangerous to me v_v
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02:27<EmleyMoor>Only 7.0.1 as yet... won't work with 8.0
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03:49<riley>why is the largest exponet in a double 1024 while the smallest is -1022?
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04:19<dpkg>K Desktop Environment (KDE) is based on the Qt toolkit. See for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get or delete KDE, ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde> respectively. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (, see also <kde_trouble>. KDE-related IRC channels:
04:19<pleb2>!install kde
04:19<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>.
04:20<cmr>pleb2: You can query dpkg you know
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04:20<wompa>hot tip
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05:06<torbjorn>I upgraded my server from Lenny to Squeeze, and now I can't boot. -32 kernel can't see the root device, -26 kernel barely comes up. Both situations seem related to udev.
05:06<torbjorn>I'm looking toward the network interface part of udev right now, the file /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules does not get generated.
05:06<torbjorn>If a do 'echo "add" > /sys/class/net/eth0/uevent', udev spawns udevd-work and generates entries in syslog, but doesn't genereate the persistent- file.
05:06<torbjorn>As far as I can see, there aren't any specific error messages that tells me what is going on ..
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05:10<cthuluh>torbjorn: did you install udev or the -32 kernel first? did these installations fail?
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05:13<torbjorn>cthuluh: I didn't see any failures on the install. As to which package as first, I'm pretty sure I did "apt-get upgrade; apt-get install udev" ..
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05:13<torbjorn>I thought that was as recommended in the release notes, but when I read them now, I see I might have gotten the order wrong
05:13<cthuluh>so you didn't follow the recommended upgrade path?
05:13<torbjorn>cthuluh: well, seems I tried, but failed :(
05:15<cthuluh>anyway, try to boot with a netinstall / a live cd / usb, chroot to your installation and then see what can be done (currently thinking about update-initramfs -k your-32-kernel -u)
05:15<cthuluh>also see if all packages have been completely installed and configured
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05:15<torbjorn>oh yeah, I can see my situation described pretty accuratly now in the relase notes, in the "what happens if you get it wrong" section here.
05:16<jm_>yeah just use a live medium to recover - I had to do the same with a custom kernel
05:18<torbjorn>cthuluh, jm_: okay, so my problem for the -32 kernel is in the initramfs ? .. I'm glad I have PXE booting right now
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05:19<jm_>torbjorn: not sure about debian kernels, but my custom kernel doesn't use initrd and the issue was amissing config option needed by udev
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05:22<torbjorn>okay .. I'm going to fiddle around with the grub configuration to see if I can get the -32 kernel to boot, then I guess udev will work from there
05:22<torbjorn>having the root mountpoint on LVM doesn't help with this situation, I guess
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05:24<cthuluh>torbjorn: perhaps ''vgchange -ay'' would help, then
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05:31<torbjorn>cthuluh: when I boot the -32 kernel, it can't see my LVM devices, and drops me to the shell. After doing your suggested "vgchange -ay", I now see the devices. Can I continue a failed boot from the initramfs shell ?
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05:32<jm_>you should just exit it and it'll go on
05:32<cthuluh>try ^D
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06:00<quarlog>debian sucks, try ubuntu, thanks
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06:00<cmr>quarlog: Excuse me?
06:01<quarlog>whats the good news about debian?
06:01<quarlog>as opposed to ubuntu?
06:01<torbjorn>quarlog: well, ubuntu being mostly Debian seems to be "good news" if Ubuntu is "good news"
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06:01<cthuluh>please feed the troll
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06:02<torbjorn>Indeed, they do get quite hungry ..
06:02<babilen>quarlog: Please take this "discussion" somewhere else as this is not the right place for it. Thank you.
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06:02<quarlog>its a channel called debian
06:02<quarlog>and i used that software once
06:02<quarlog>found out about ubuntu, like it better, is easier to use
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06:03<themill>quarlog: this isn't a discussion channel, please try #moocows
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06:04<yrklt>themill what kind of channel is?
06:04<themill>yrklt: it's a user support channel
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06:05<cmr>Why does debhelper set the channel limit every hour or so?
06:05<themill>cmr: join flood protection
06:05<babilen>cmr: Because the number of people in the channel fluctuates → #debian-offtopic
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06:06<yrklt>themill thanks, the official one?
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06:10<stegbth>i have a problem with dualcore opteron machine (it is an old 275 box)
06:10<stegbth>the machine has two network cards and a 3ware controller
06:11<stegbth>it happens from time to time (once in 2 minutes), that xosview brings a short SI (maybe systeminterrupt?) and after some seconnds a longer SI
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06:12<stegbth>when this SI comes no traffic is transmitted anymore
06:12<stegbth>this takes 2-5s and then it goes on
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06:47<Guest16573>hello frinends
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06:48<deforol>Hi all
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06:49<deforol>!tell me -about dpkg
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06:50<torbjorn>cthuluh, jm_ : thanks a lot for your help, guys. I think I'll be able to get it up and running again. I'd buy you a beer if I could ..
06:50<babilen>!tell deforol -about selftell
06:50<deforol>babilen: Hi how are you
06:50<babilen>deforol: I am fine. Do you have a Debian related question?
06:52<deforol>I m installed gnome on my work. And I have a gnome now on my netbook
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06:52<babilen>Uhm, ok ... you are welcome‽
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06:52<jm_>torbjorn: no worries
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07:12<willemb>Hi. I am looking for something like "GNOME disk usage analyzer" (, that I can run on a headless machine.
07:12<willemb>is there something around like that?
07:13<jm_>you can use baobab too
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07:14<jm_>but if you want something for tty perhaps gt5 will work for you
07:14<willemb>jm_: by headless, I meant no installed GUI. looks like ncdu is what I want
07:15<jm_>willemb: you don't need X server on it, just client libs
07:15<SynrG>you don't need an installed gui to run an X client
07:15<SynrG>ssh -X, start the client
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07:15<jm_>ncdu looks similar to gt5 minus colors
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07:23<willemb>jm_: ncdu is a bit friendlier for non-power users
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07:25<jm_>willemb: yeah I use neither, du -sk * | sort -n is good enough for me in 99% of cases, and for other cases I use baobab
07:25<EmleyMoor>Is there any way to have multiple "From" addresses on the same email account in Icedove?
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07:43<willemb>thanks for the advice
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07:50<shanks>EmleyMoor: yes. look at Identities in Accoutn Settings
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07:58<Johannes>I'm new to Debian, I'm leasing a server atm which runs Debian, and for a new package, I need python >= 2.6
07:59<Johannes>but if I apt-get install python, it installs 2.5.3-2
07:59<Johannes>how can I install a newer version of this?
07:59<dba>apt-get install python2.6
08:00<Johannes>hm, can't find package?
08:01<Johannes>ah, I found something, trying it
08:02<themill>Johannes: what version of debian is this?
08:02<Johannes>I think I read the word lenny somewhere
08:02<themill>Johannes: (you should be starting new installs with squeeze rather than lenny now -- lenny only has 3 months of security support left; as a bonus, you'd get python2.6 for free)
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08:03<Motawn>Then you really need to update to squeeze
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08:03<Johannes>it's not my server, I'm only using a part of it
08:03<themill>Johannes: also, that error indicates that you're mixing packages not designed for lenny with lenny. This is going to lead to tears.
08:03<Johannes>Debian pre-installed
08:03<Johannes>hm, until now I only installed 2 or 3 very minor things
08:03<Motawn>johannes > get another server, its always nice to have full control
08:04<Johannes>python is the only "big" thing I need
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08:06<themill>You'll not sensibly get python 2.6 for lenny. If you're not able to sort out lenny->squeeze yourself, you should get the server admin to do this for you
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08:12<shanks>any ftpmasters in the house?
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08:21<themill>shanks: just ask your real question
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08:24<abrotman>or not ..
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08:43<karthic>jonas u there ??
08:43<karthic>jonas ??
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08:47<shanks>themill: I want to be able to limit number of FTP logons per IP. proftpd doesn't seem to have the right setting for me. I guess I could run it via inetd and use tcpwrappers to do this?
08:47<themill>umm... ask the channel, not me
08:47*themill doesn't do ftp
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08:48<shanks>themill: heh. sorry :)
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09:14<subarubuddha>hello room
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09:18<abrotman>lots of people here, don't be shy!
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09:19<subarubuddha>whats the primary difference between debian-based distros of linux verus RHE linux?
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09:21<scraze>you mean, besides being based on Debian?
09:21<scraze>because that is the primary difference.
09:22<subarubuddha>i didnt know if there was some key difference that sets debian aprt
09:22<scraze>I wouldn't know what more to say, I'm not that familiar with other distributions ;]
09:22<scraze>but one thing that seems very successfull is the package management, dpkg + apt
09:23<themill>!why debian
09:23<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also (archived at . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
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09:24<scraze>see, themill and dpkg .. now there are two experts :} (one a bit more human-like than the other)
09:24<judd>what about me!!!1!one!
09:24<scraze>can't forget judd of course, sorry mate
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09:26<babilen>subarubuddha: A major difference is also the packaging system (rpm vs deb) the associated toolset and a different approach to default installations. Not having used RHEL much I can't go into details and this is also borderline off-topic ;)
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09:30<Joelixny>Hello, I recently installed Debian, and I'm having a few difficulties. First of all, sources-properties-gtk isn't working as it should. I accidentally unchecked the 'main' checkbox and I can't get it checked again. Also I can't get my wireless card to work.
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09:30<Joelixny>If someone could help me I would greatly appreciate it.
09:30<subarubuddha>is your wireless chipset supported by default?
09:31<subarubuddha>you may need to load/compile a driver
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09:31<Joelixny>I downloaded a driver from the non-free repo along with wireless-tools like a wiki told me but it didn't work
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09:31<ayaka>I want to more about capability(like CAP_CHOWN CAP_KILL)
09:31<babilen>Joelixny: I've never used sources-properties-gtk, but you can just edit /etc/apt/sources.list directly and run "apt-get update" to activate your changes. What is the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" ?
09:32<babilen>Joelixny: Which wiki told you this? Which device do you have?
09:32<Joelixny>ThinkWiki, ThinkPad W520
09:32<Joelixny>00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection [8086:1502] (rev 04)
09:32<Joelixny>03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation 6000 Series Gen2 [8086:0085] (rev 34)
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09:33<babilen>Joelixny: One second please
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09:35<babilen>Joelixny: Looks as if you need a newer kernel, which you can get from backports. (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) -- You also need to install firmware (firmware-linux-nonfree) -- After having done this your wireless should work without a problem.
09:35<Joelixny>babilen, Thanks, I will try that.
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09:38<babilen>ayaka: /usr/include/linux/capability.h (why do you ask?)
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09:49<babilen>!tell EagleRock -about install font
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10:11<Guest16592>alguien que hable español??
10:11<Guest16592>i need help with xubuntu
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10:11<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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10:15*EmleyMoor has just upgraded his kernel to 2.6.38 from backports and it seems to be good for his sound card - but X won't work any more, probably due to nvidia drivers... any guidance that will help get them working on a new kernel?
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10:16<scraze>EmleyMoor: if you used the nvidia packages from the repo, dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms to have it rebuild for your current kernel
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10:17<EmleyMoor>scraze: Not sure that will work but I will try it and let you know what happens...
10:18<babilen>dkms should rebuild the modules automatically
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10:20<EmleyMoor>babilen: It should but it can't
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10:22<EmleyMoor>I tried updating sound drivers last night and caused a big breakdown - the new kernel has sorted the lack of control of the soundcard, at least, so I really need to sort X now...
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10:23<scraze>EmleyMoor: have you tried purging & reinistalling nvidia-kernel-dkms ?
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10:24<EmleyMoor>scraze: Not yet... hold on
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10:28<EmleyMoor>It won't purge - similar error...
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10:30<EmleyMoor>I can't remove nvidia-kernel-dkms at all...
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10:33<EmleyMoor>A reinstall looks just a bit more promising
10:33<themill>what version of the dkms package do you have installed?
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10:35<EmleyMoor>I will get the make.log pasted as soon as I can
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10:37*scraze spots "error: linux/autoconf.h: No such file or directory"
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10:37<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... so, it looks like I'm missing that... where is that relative to, I wonder...
10:38<scraze>autoconf isn't a dependency of nvidia-kernel-dkms but somehow I feel like you'd be better of with it
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10:39<EmleyMoor>I'm sure it's not autoconf I'm missing
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10:39<EmleyMoor>In fact, it looks more like a kernel headers package problem... not absence, but a change not accounted for
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10:40<scraze>ah, like no kernel headers for the backported kernel?
10:41<scraze>"not absence", he said.. "no kernel headers", I said.. nevermind :]
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10:41<EmleyMoor>scraze: autoconf.h is not in linux any more, it's in generated
10:42<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... that didn't work either
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10:44<EmleyMoor>I can't make head nor tail of that log
10:45<scraze>EmleyMoor: indeed, I see.. it does seem that things are fatal by the time it can't find linux/autoconf.h, in the sense that it should have been generated by then
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10:46<administrator_>what time it there?
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10:46<EagleRock>EmleyMoor: what happened when you tried to purge nvidia-kernel-dkms?
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10:48<themill>EmleyMoor: I actually meant "dkms" itself, not the nvidia driver. (there's a dkms on backports too)
10:48<EmleyMoor>Ah... that might be it then...
10:49<EmleyMoor>Indeed, I will try that and see what happens
10:50<themill>I don't know whether that's actually what is required. I'm also not sure how well the squeeze nvidia stuff handles newer kernels... that module does have a certain reputation for only compiling with a very limited set of kernel versions
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10:51<ayaka>how to disable ctrl+alt+del in ubuntu it's /etc/event.d
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10:53<EmleyMoor>themill: Indeed, no help... any further hints you can suggest? (can one easily be backported for example?)
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10:55<jordanm>I haven't got any of the nvidia packages to compile on a 3.x kernel, although I haven't spent a lot of time one it either
10:55<EmleyMoor>This is 2.6.38
10:55<ayaka>and how to enable ctrl-alt-back to kill X
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10:56<ayaka>JoeKickass, I think it don't be support here both nvidia and kernel 3
10:56<ayaka>JoeKickass, I'm sorry
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10:57<ayaka>jordanm, , I think it don't be support here both nvidia and kernel 3 ,kernel 3 is in #debian-next
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10:58<jordanm>ayaka: I was commenting on someone else's discussion, not seeking help
10:58<EmleyMoor>Is there any way I might be able to get X to use something free to at least do something on this machine? (either that or get nvidia working on 2.6.38)
10:59<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-6); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
10:59<jordanm>EmleyMoor: .38?
10:59<cymor>EmleyMoor: You could try the nv driver.
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10:59<jordanm>cymor: nv has been deprecated in favor of noveau
10:59<ayaka>jordanm, I'm sorry,I don't know it,I just think this subject should be talked in other channel
11:00<EmleyMoor>jordanm: Yes - in backports but not the newest - didn't like the amount of change .39 needed
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11:00<cymor>jordanm: ok. Hadn't herd that.
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11:01<jordanm>EmleyMoor: noveau should work by default. if you had previously used proprietary drivers, you will need to remove those packages and remove the file that blacklists the kernel module
11:01<jordanm>EmleyMoor: you may also need to remove your xorg.conf, if one is present
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11:01<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... I will have a look
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11:01<jordanm>EmleyMoor: is it a legacy nvidia card?
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11:03<EmleyMoor>jordanm: No, not legacy
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11:03<jordanm>EmleyMoor: yeah, the noveau should work fine
11:03*EmleyMoor will probably be happy with it...
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11:04<EmleyMoor>As for 2.6.39 I might look at that later
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11:06<EmleyMoor>jordanm: xorg.conf is prese
11:06<EmleyMoor>jordanm: xorg.conf is present... will move it aside and see how I go without...
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11:09<EmleyMoor>Hang on a minute, this picture is *better*!
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11:13<jordanm>EmleyMoor: it does work well, but the 3d accelleration is still immature
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11:13<EmleyMoor>I don't do a lot for which that is even mildly important
11:14<jordanm>it still runs openarena fine, so I am happy with it
11:14<EmleyMoor>The image looks much crisper than with the nvidia driver
11:15<EmleyMoor>(how do I check on my screen resolution?)
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11:15<jordanm>EmleyMoor: "xrandr"
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11:16<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... fixed 1920x1200
11:16<scraze>EmleyMoor: a curious customer & myself are wondering which soundcard it was again that now works better with the backported kernel
11:16<jordanm>,versions alsa-source
11:16<judd>Package: alsa-source on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4; squeeze: 1.0.23+dfsg-2; sid: 1.0.23+dfsg-4; wheezy: 1.0.23+dfsg-4
11:17<belgerog>Does anyone use radeon cards here?
11:17<EmleyMoor>Realtek ALC892
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11:17<belgerog>I installed the radeon driver but I seem to get constantly high temperatures
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11:21<nitalaut>Guys, ip route add via
11:21<nitalaut>RTNETLINK answers: No such process. is the vpn address of the remote node. Why this error appears ?
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11:21<shanks>nitalaut: you need to add the route via the local node
11:21<nitalaut>i tried too
11:21<nitalaut>but i don't see traffic on the other side
11:22<shanks>nitalaut: that may be a different problem. you certainly should add a route that is more than just one hop
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11:22<nitalaut>yes I know that gateway must be in the same subnet
11:23<nitalaut>but it is !
11:23<nitalaut>there're 2 servers connected via openvpn and there networks behind each server
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11:23<nitalaut>i want this networks to be available from each other
11:24<ansgar>nitalaut: Do you have a route for
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11:24<nitalaut> via dev tun0 src
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11:25<nitalaut>i can ping remote side by its vpn address
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11:25<nitalaut>but i'm unable to route anything to that address
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11:27<nik_>why does gnome reset some of my settings when I restart? specifically the auto-login feature
11:27<belgerog>does anyone else get a segmentation fault when running startx with the ATI proprietary drivers?
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11:29<aquarius>ATI for video installed perfectly by me.
11:29<aquarius>BUT... i have audio issue :) So common.. we're in the same boat still.
11:29<belgerog>the radeon drivers from the debian repositories works
11:29<belgerog>but the one from ATI doesn't
11:30<ayaka>my jack1 sometime exit auto,I set it auto start in envirment
11:30<ayaka>what is the problem
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11:35<anbe>belgerog, did you use the Debian fglrx-driver package to install the ATI driver or the installer from ATI?
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11:36<belgerog>the installer from ATI
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11:36<belgerog>should I try with the fglrx-driver package?
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11:37<scraze>Debian recommends Debian packages *commercially-white-teeth-smile*
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11:38<belgerog>but apparently it's not available for wheezy
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11:39<scraze>indeed.. hm. support for testing & higher is on #debian-next btw
11:40<belgerog>oh, ok
11:40<anbe>belgerog, the ATI installer is not supported here ... but you probably ran into its incompatibility with Xserver 1.11.x, which will be solved in the 11-11 release (trying to install fglrx-driver won't work right now, unless you downgrade xserver-xorg-core to << 1.10.99)
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11:40<belgerog>ohh ok
11:41<belgerog>that's good to know
11:41<belgerog>thanks a lot
11:41<nik_>does anyone know why some of my tray icons are so spread out?
11:41<anbe>scraze, how can we better describe the fglrx-driver package in non-free ?
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11:42<scraze>you're .. asking me :o ?
11:42<scraze>as in package description?
11:44<shanks>what's the difference between dpkg -l and apt-cache show, other than dpkg -l shows installation status
11:44<anbe>no, just when mentioning it here - technically its not part of Debian (thats only the stuff in main) (if I got the terms correctly)
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11:46<scraze>anbe: I'm terrible in terminology and lack a deeper understanding of drivers & such, so probably the worst person you could ask ;p all that comes to mind is the adjective 'proprietary'
11:46<scraze>I'm honoured that you would ask though.
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11:51<idealist>hello everyone.
11:51<idealist>could someone please explain me how in the world I can find out how to check for incoming mails
11:51<idealist>I'm using dovecot and exim
11:51<idealist>how can I check if I am receiving emails?
11:51<idealist>exim queue is for outgoing mails, right?
11:52<idealist>I need to check incoming mails, how can I do this?
11:52<petemc>look in the mailbox where they are delivered to
11:52<idealist>where is this mailbox?
11:52<shanks>idealist: /var/log/exim4/mainlog should tell you
11:52<petemc>not always
11:52<idealist>but isn't exim for outgoing?
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11:53<shanks>idealist: no. both.
11:53<idealist>exim = smtp?
11:53<idealist>oh damn it. so I don't even need dovecot?
11:53<petemc>dovecot is for pop and imap
11:53<shanks>idealist: how do you think you recieve email? dovecot just serves the maildir remotely
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11:54<idealist>I've set up redmine and now I want to send mails to redmine.. thats my problem
11:54<idealist>I am able to send mails from redmine to users
11:54<shanks>redmine. what the heck is that?
11:54<scraze>idealist: if you can't find the mailbox in exim4's mainlog through all the messages; grep '^dc_localdelivery' /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf
11:54<idealist>like trac.
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11:56<shanks>idealist: there is a command line option to test exim's mail delivery/routing. it gives lots of output and tells you what it's doing. that should help you. sorry I can't remember what the command is though, but it's sure to be in the man page
11:56<petemc>exim -d -bt user
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11:57<shanks>that's the one. I think you can even use an -h option and specify an ip.
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11:58<idealist>this won't show me the information I need..
11:58<idealist>I think I'm just too confused.
11:58<idealist>so exim4 is for delievering and receiving, right?
11:59<idealist>and dovecot servers it to applications, right?
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11:59<mateusz>I have a problem with connecting to VPN using network-manager
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11:59<mateusz>I will be grateful for assistance in fixing the problem
11:59<scraze>idealist: yes, exim4 handles as a MTA (Mail Transfer Agent), uses SMTP to receive mail, and places it in the system's mailboxes according to configuration so it can be then access by POP / IMAP daemons and retrieved by POP / IMAP clients
12:00<idealist>so I need to "talk" to dovecot to find out if there are even mails coming in?
12:01<idealist>tail -f /var/log/exim4/mainlog won't even show me if I send a mail from gmail to my server..
12:02<scraze>idealist: in any of the steps I named, a problem could occur.. troubleshooting may not be the easiest thing
12:02<shanks>idealist: before you test dovecot make sure you have mail in either /var/spool/mail or ~/Maildir
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12:05<idealist>tail -f ~/mail/.imap/INBOX/dovecot.index.log will output some jibberish..
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12:06<idealist>do you know a good troubleshooting guide for my problem?
12:06<idealist>I'm pretty sure its a common problem..
12:06<scraze>idealist: shanks meant that mail will go to either /var/spool/mail or ~/Maildir - it's a configuration of exim ( grep '^dc_localdelivery' /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf will answer if configured, otherwise just look at /var/spool/mail/ vs ~/Maildir/)
12:07<idealist>scraze: I've checked both. the mails should go to ~/Maildir, but they don't.
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12:08<scraze>idealist: ok, that's valuable information .. I don't know of any troubleshooting guides btw, you've probably seen
12:08<idealist>where do the mails "go through", before they're being saved in ~/Maildir?
12:08<idealist>okay, I'll check that one out
12:08<scraze>it's not that much of a guide imnsho…
12:09<idealist>because If I would know how their path is, it would be easier to "debug"..
12:09<idealist>tbh with you, I'm a novice when it comes to mail
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12:10<scraze>idealist: normally when exim4 has checked all filters and decides to accept the mail, it will grab the appropriate routing method which in the case of maildirs should be just immediately writing them to ~/Maildir .. the mainlog should contain information for every connection made on SMTP though, so even if the mail doesn't come through, you should be able to see the request to send the mail show up
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12:10<shanks>idealist: it's not all that tricky once you understand it, but there are quite a few processes involved. mta, mda, mua and then the serving of the actual email over pop3/imap etc
12:10<shanks>idealist: I think you may have to have a read up :)
12:11<shanks>idealist: not to mention your DNS MX records need to be setup properly to recieve mail from remote systems
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12:11<idealist>oh, I didn't even check if there are DNS MX records
12:12<idealist>I think I'll facepalm myself if there are none
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12:13<idealist>damnit, there aren't any..
12:14<jinus>hi all, I'm trying to install libtiff4-dev but it depends of libjpeg-dev. And this doesn't exist. how can i fix it? any idea?
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12:18<scraze>jinus: I guess you did an apt-get update already :p?
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12:21<scraze>jinus: perhaps aptitude can resolve the dependencies
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12:21<jinus>ok imma try
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12:23<c3>hello guys :)
12:24<c3>ho wrong name :)
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12:24<Nik05>hello guys :), im always forgetting names of programs... how do i format and partition a disk? :P
12:24<jinus>scraze: Thx dude, that solved my problem
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12:25<Nik05>thank you :)
12:25<Nik05>oh and how do i see my harddisks in a list?
12:26<Nik05>and usb etc
12:27<jinus>cfdisk /dev/xxx
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12:27<jinus>xxx is the mount point
12:27<jinus>could be sdb or sdc
12:27<Nik05>yes ok but how do i get a list of all partitions etc on those things...? :P
12:28<Nik05>so like sdb1 sdb2 etc
12:28<scraze>for a list: ls /dev/sd* or mount
12:28<Nik05>ho not here :p
12:28<krux>df -hT
12:28<jinus>dmesg tells that info
12:28<Nik05>but mount only gives the things that are already mounted
12:28<retrospectacus>fdisk -l
12:28<Nik05>yes thank you retro :)
12:28<scraze>yes, use ls /dev/sd* for all disks and partitions available, mount for those mounted
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12:29<scraze>of course fdisk -l is way more awesome :]
12:29<retrospectacus>tells you lots :)
12:30<retrospectacus>and sometimes your disks are not sd*
12:30<Nik05>when not?
12:30<Nik05>oh and cat bla.iso > /dev/sdc put the iso on usb right? :P
12:31<retrospectacus>some raid setups iirc
12:31<retrospectacus>Nik05: yes
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12:32<scraze>yes, indeed .. PATA disks show up as /dev/hd*, LVM volumes don't show up in either ls /dev/sd* nor fdisk -l (only the LVM physical volumes will), RAID shows up as /dev/md* afaik(winf)
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12:34<charly>alguna española
12:34<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:00<retrospectacus>hi :)
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13:01<XeonBloomfield>Someone remember name of auto-generated web page with server status?
13:01<retrospectacus>what server?
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13:01<Dennis>awstats maybe?
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13:02<retrospectacus>lets keep guessing!
13:02<XeonBloomfield>no - anyone of them
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13:02<retrospectacus> ?
13:02<XeonBloomfield>I think that name started from "m"
13:03<XeonBloomfield>it shows a lot of parameters
13:03<retrospectacus>I give up, what is it
13:04<XeonBloomfield>it is running in background and adding it "test" result to web page
13:04<XeonBloomfield>retrospectacus: I used Google first
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13:05<XeonBloomfield>retrospectacus: still trying to find it
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13:05<XeonBloomfield>I found it!
13:05<XeonBloomfield>retrospectacus: munin
13:05<retrospectacus>nice work
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13:06<retrospectacus>I was close
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13:06<DrTron>Hi, all
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13:08<RAS>HI all
13:08<deforol>DrTron: hi
13:08<RAS>what's the name of shell script channel ?
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13:09<retrospectacus>RAS there is one for each shell. e.g. #bash or #ksh
13:09<retrospectacus>they are on
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13:09<RAS>thanks retrospectacus
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13:13<retrospectacus>ordnassela: can we help you?
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13:15<DrTron>Doesn't help either, really...
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13:53<rootadmin>hey can anyone help me to use uname command
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13:53<rootadmin>it is not showing output
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13:53<retrospectacus>uname -a
13:54<retrospectacus>man uname for options
13:54<retrospectacus>-a is "all"
13:54<rootadmin>i used it on terminal bt not giving any output
13:54<rootadmin>man page is also not available for it
13:55<retrospectacus>what debian release is that? Is it a VM?
13:55<rootadmin>it is ubuntu 10.10
13:55<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
13:55<retrospectacus>this is #debian
13:56<rootadmin>k thanx :)
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14:21<shanks>hey all. is the ralink 5390 driver in the firmware-ralink package? i installed it but it didn't work
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14:21<sney->'aptitude show firmware-ralink' should give you a list of the firmware included. you might need a backport kernel, some ralink nics are too new for 2.6.32
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14:22<shanks>sney i'm on bpo 2.6.39
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14:22<shanks>apt-cache show does the same thing?
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14:23<shanks>nope it's not there. which explains why it doesn't work. the driver i compiled from source is buggy. guess i'm screwed
14:24<sney->ralink :/
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14:24<chealer>shanks: firmware-ralking doesn't contain drivers, it contains firmware
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14:25<shanks> implies that 5390 is in firmware-ralink, unless I'm just being dumb
14:25<shanks>chealer: not too sure I understand teh difference. isn't firmware just support for native hardware?
14:26<shanks>sney: yeah I know, but it's a cheap laptop :(
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14:27<sney->shanks: firmware is the extra non-free part of the driver that can't be included in the kernel with the driver itself.
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14:30<shanks>sney-: oh it's binary?
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14:32<shanks>the driver I got from their website works 99% of the time. Only other option is kernel 3 but I can't run that Squeeze
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14:37<chealer>shanks: what do you mean by native hardware?
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14:38<shanks>chealer: motherboard and chipset. i thought that that's what firmware was for.
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14:38<shanks>but I clearly have no idea what firmware really is :)
14:39<shanks>i thought it was software on ROM
14:39<shanks>like you have on fruit machines etc
14:40<jhutchins_lt>shanks: Firmware as discussed in Linux is generally code that is uploaded to the hardware by the driver.
14:40<chealer>shanks: oh, there's firmware in the BIOS indeed, but also on various cards like some network cards and video cards
14:40<jhutchins_lt>shanks: It used to mean code stored on the device.
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14:40<shanks>jhutchins_lt: ah yes that's what I thought it was
14:41<shanks>chealer, jhutchins_lt thanks for the explanation
14:42<shanks>and these pieces of software are generally non-free?
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14:44<shanks>i could just buy myself a damn usb wifi card and be done with this misery :) are they any good? are they quite compatible with Debian?
14:44<chealer>shanks: indeed. and nowadays several devices don't come with firmware, they need non-free firmware to be uploaded to them by the OS
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14:45<chealer>shanks: there are external wifi cards that require non-free firmware to be uploaded, just like internal wifi cards
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14:46<chealer>shanks: the situation is still far from perfect, only a minority of devices are hassle-free
14:46<shanks>chealer: is there a list of any such devices?
14:47<shanks>I now see why there are so many firmware-X packages
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14:48<chealer>shanks: nothing of great quality/comprehensiveness, but has some information
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14:49<Nik05>guys i just installed xfce4 but when i rebooted i came in console, how do i get in xfce, and how do i do that automatically?
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14:51<zykotick9>Nik05, try "startx" from cli. You could install the DM called slim for a small login manager.
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14:55<Nik05>so zykotick9 normally xfce doesnt start on it own?
14:55<Nik05>and my does xfce put my windows partitions on my desktop...? :P
14:55<zykotick9>Nik05, no windows manager / desktop environment does
14:55<EagleRock>Nik05: it normally starts up, but you need a desktop manager to do it, like slim, gdm, kdm, etc.
14:55<Nik05>ah ok :P
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14:55<Nik05>didnt knew that
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14:57<Nik05>so i just installed slim, so when i restart slim is starting automatically?
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14:57<EagleRock>Nik05: I'm assuming yes, but since I've never used slim, I can't say for sure
14:57<Nik05>where does debian keep what it is starting at start up?
14:57<Nik05>ok thanks eagle
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14:58<EagleRock>Nik05: /etc/rcX.d, where X is your default runlevel
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14:58<EagleRock>Nik05: default runlevel for debian is 2, so if you haven't messed with that, it'd be in /etc/rc2.d/
14:59<Nik05>ok. runlevel.... right :p
14:59<Nik05>is that the kernel runlevel?
15:00<jhutchins_lt>Most daemons will be enabled and even started when installed by default unless they require specific configuration before running.
15:01<EagleRock>jhutchins_lt: right...I didn't know if slim required configuration or not, so I couldn't say for sure
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15:05<jhutchins_lt>EagleRock: I wouldn't think so, but it might require a restart.
15:05<jhutchins_lt>EagleRock: Or possibly a runlevel swap.
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15:07<Nik05>runlevel swap... jhutchins_lt dont use those words :P
15:07<Nik05>what is a runlevel swap?
15:07<jhutchins_lt>Telinit 1;telinit 2
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15:07<EagleRock>Nik05: changing your runlevel
15:08<EagleRock>Nik05: easiest way to check is rebooting and seeing if your DE comes up
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15:09<Nik05>okim going to reboot
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15:09<pack6joe>Hi! I'm looking for a solution to span directories over multiple discs, to make them transparent to network shares. I'd prefer to just make a huge RAID-5 volume, but there's too much data on the discs and I can't swap that to someplace else
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15:15<Nik05>im back :)
15:15<Nik05>slim started automatically
15:15<Nik05>and it is nicer then gdm3!
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15:16<Nik05>how do i install better fonts for in xfce?
15:16<Nik05>cause the console font isnt that great...
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15:17<sney->'aptitude search ttf' and pick from the list
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15:19<kevin1961>evening all
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15:21<kevin1961>is this a help channel or a chat channel
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15:21<kevin1961>new here
15:21<sney->this is a help channel.
15:22<Nik05>but "chat" is maybe better for #debian-offtopic
15:22<sney->chat channels can be found at #debian-offtopic, #moocows, #tardigans
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15:22<ayaka>I want to know how to set postgresql database path
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15:23<Nik05>how do i remove the Filesystems that are not mounted from Desktop?
15:23<kevin1961>sorry I was called away
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15:25<kevin1961>Nik05, I have another PC at work which has Linux Mint 10 but I have looked all through the channel list in server above and can not find it
15:25<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
15:26<sney->so you want #linuxmint-help on you can change servers by typing '/server' and then join channels with '/join'
15:26<kevin1961>shame about such rivalry between distros
15:26<Nik05>you can always stay here ;)
15:27<Nik05>its just not supported here
15:27<sney->not really rivalry, we just can't support things we don't use
15:27<sney->we have no way of knowing what changes Mint has made, so it would be irresponsible of us to try and support it
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15:28<kevin1961>I know but I have been on the other one for months and they all know me but I will stay here and get to know you all as well JEJE
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15:28<kevin1961>sney, very true
15:28<ada>how can i create my own debian disk?
15:29<sney->ada: with cd burning software. or do you mean a customized installer?
15:29<ada>customized installer
15:30<dpkg>A Debian Pure Blend (aka Blend, formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. #debian-custom on
15:30<Nik05>xfce feels really nice :) but there are some minus points...
15:31<pack6joe>Hi, does anyone know how/if I can span my /home over multiple discs?
15:31<Nik05>font size is too small, resize area is too small, and i dont want unmounted drives on my desktop :p
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15:31<EagleRock>pack6joe: in what way exactly?
15:31<aracon>pack6joe: raid
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15:31<sney->pack6joe: sure, with raid, lvm, or just mounting new hard drives under specific directories
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15:32<pack6joe>aracon: RAID would be great, but I can't empty the discs before building the array for lack of swap space, so I'm looking for another solution
15:32<sney->for instance, if you had a separate hard drive for all of your music files, you could mount it under /home/pack6joe/movies
15:32<sney->er music but you get the idea
15:32<pack6joe>unless you know a way of converting full NTSF drives to ext and building an array from them without losing data :D
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15:33<shanks>sney-: what about auf ?
15:34<shanks>another unified filesystem..
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15:34<sney->never heard of it
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15:34<shanks>allows you to union mount
15:34<pack6joe>lvm sounds interesting
15:35<shanks>pack6joe: LVM is da shizzle
15:35<sney->is that a technical term
15:35<shanks>sney-: if you are Dr Dre, perhaps
15:35<EagleRock>pack6joe: it sounds like the best option is to use LVM to create a new partition, copy data from the old home to a new home
15:36<EagleRock>pack6joe: then, change the LVM volume to /home, restart with the new /home directory, format the old NTFS drive, then add it to the LVM volume and extend the fs
15:37<Nik05>how is that font called, something like truefont or something else?
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15:39<shanks>EagleRock: LVM makes moving data around simple
15:39<EagleRock>shanks: hence why I recommended moving to it
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15:40<shanks>EagleRock: erm sorry that was for pack6joe heh
15:41<EagleRock>shanks: oh, I get it now...the statement made little sense otherwise :)
15:41<EagleRock>but yes, LVM is definitely handy...I don't build a system without it anymore
15:43<sney->Nik05: truetype / freetype?
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15:43<Nik05>maybe :P
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15:45<pack6joe>hmm, another thing: suppose I use Linux' software raid to make a raid-5, I assume the OS has to be on an independent harddisk? Or can I install it on the RAID-5 ? And how does it handle one disc failing ?
15:46<Myon>it all depends on the bootloader (and grub2 supports raid)
15:46<sney->you can install the OS to a md raid, but sometimes it's less of a headache if you have /boot on a standalone disk
15:46<EagleRock>pack6joe: you can install the system on a RAID-5 disk, yes, but the difficulty comes in ensuring you can boot to it
15:46<sney->glad to see we're all on the same page :P
15:46<EagleRock>pack6joe: and handling a failed disk is basically a few md commands
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15:47<sney->and it lets you know quite clearly through system messages
15:47<cthuluh>pack6joe: basically, it means you have to install your bootloader to all your disks and ensure that your bios will fallback to a second disk if the first one is failing
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15:48<Myon>maybe make /boot a raid1
15:48<Nik05>guys where do you mount a datadisk?
15:48<pack6joe>that would be great, Myon, but I can't fit 5+ discs (2 raid1, 3+ raid5) ;)
15:49<Myon>pack6joe: use separate partitions
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15:50<pack6joe>separate partitions? I'm not sure what you mean, like making a RAID out of partitions instead of drives?
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15:51<EagleRock>Myon: i think he means he doesn't have enough space in his PC to fit enough disks to have a RAID1 and a RAID5
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15:51<kusanagi>when i pin a package with <p package> in apt-get dist-upgrade, how can i unpin them? :S
15:51<pack6joe>EagleRock: exactly
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15:52<EagleRock>pack6joe: it sounds like you dont' necessarily care about redundancy, and are just looking to make a large enough partition for /home
15:52<Myon>well you can make /dev/sd[a-z]1 raid1 and /dev/sd[a-z]2 raid5
15:52<Myon>not saying that's a reasonable setup, but it should wokr
15:53<EagleRock>Myon: assuming that the raid1 only contains /boot, it sounds like a resonable answer, considering
15:53<cthuluh>well, at least your system can survive to more than a disk failure ; but your data still can't, though
15:54<pack6joe>EagleRock: I'm hesitating to lose my data over redundancy, my inquiry about spanning my /home over discs is just curiousity regarding ease of use later on
15:54<EagleRock>pack6joe: in that case, you can very easily arrange for JBOD with LVM
15:54<EagleRock>pack6joe: with LVM, you can create a logical volume as large as you need for now
15:55<EagleRock>pack6joe: later on, you can always add a disk, add it as a physical volume to your volume group, and extend your lv and your filesystem
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15:55<pack6joe>yeah, LVM sounds perfect for what I need
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15:57<EagleRock>!tell pack6joe about lvm
15:57<shanks>nethack is insane
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16:00<shanks>i've just read that mounting a system with noatime is a good idea for laptops. is this still valid advice?
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16:01<themill>shanks: the cool kids use relatime these days
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16:02<shanks>themill: I better join the bandwagon then ;-)
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16:05<shanks>themill: I don't see atime explicitly used in mtab. is it implicit?
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16:05<shanks>fstab i mean
16:06<themill>man mount will tell you that.
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16:12<shanks>themill: interestingly cat /proc/mounts tells me that my mapper is already using relatime. guess I'm one of the cool kids after all
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16:15<zzz_>Hello, how can I get rid of an ICMP redirected route using the "ip" command? I use "ip route flush cache", but the redirected route still keeps coming back.
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16:19<shanks>zzz_: I thought Linux ignored ICMP redirects as they're a security flaw. I've only seen problems such as your with Windows clients
16:21<zzz_>shanks: Thanks for your reply. I am not sure how the redirected route gets in the routing table cache, but even if I flush the cache, it keeps coming back. I am pretty sure that noone is sending redirects, I am watching with tshark.
16:22<shanks>zzz_: do you use any routing protocls that share routes like RIP?
16:22<thorgrin>zzz_: that's odd. check your /etc/sysctl.conf for net.ipv4.conf.all.accept_redirects option
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16:23<zzz_>shanks: Oh no, it is very simple network.
16:23<zzz_>thorgrin: Should I just uncomment the net.ipv4.conf.all.accept_redirects = 0 line?
16:23<shanks>zzz_: you using a VERY VERY old kernel?
16:23<zzz_>shanks: Actually this is 3.1.0
16:23<shanks>zzz_: I'm baffled.
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16:24<ayaka>wil squeeze installer install selinux?
16:25<thorgrin>zzz_: You might try. Read the comments above the option
16:27<thorgrin>but it is still weird, with no one sending the redirect messages
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16:28<shanks>zzz_: can you paste output of grep 'redirect' /etc/sysctl.conf, to ?
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16:29<zzz_>shanks: All of the lines are commented out, actually.
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16:30<shanks>zzz_: is your device configured as a router?
16:31<zzz_>shanks: I have two computers and a router. The router has two subnets. 128.0/24 and 130.0/24. Router is running OpenWRT and configured as forwarding packets in both directions.
16:31<zzz_>shanks: The problem occurs when I change the subnet of my computer and move it to the other subnet.
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16:34<shanks>zzz_: and the routing table is changed on WHICH device?
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16:34<zzz_>shanks: On my computer.
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16:35<shanks>zzz_: on that computer can you do uname -a for me..
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16:35<zzz_>shanks: Linux debian 3.1.0 #10 SMP PREEMPT Sun Oct 30 09:29:09 EDT 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
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16:36<shanks>zzz_: very bizzare. I don;'t even know what to suggest. Sorry. only thing you could do is block the icmp redirects via netfilter, but that's just covering up the real problem
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16:36<zzz_>shanks: I see. Thank you for your help.
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16:37<shanks>zzz_: one thing to try. do you know for sure where the redirects are coming from? Could they not be from localhost?
16:38<shanks>Id run tcpdump or some other util and have a look. or iptraf.
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16:38<zzz_>shanks: Do you mean localhost may be generating redirects?
16:38<zzz_>shanks: Let me try.
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16:39<shanks>zzz_: it's the only thing I can think of.. no recent Linux kernel allows icmp redirects, but if they were generated locally then maybe it *would* honour them? just a guess since i'm outta ideas
16:39<thorgrin>since it happend after he moved the computer to another network, there might be some old configuration, like default gateway that is the other interface of the router?
16:40<zzz_>thorgrin: I actually make sure that I update the routing table and flush the route table cache.
16:40<thorgrin>and after that the routing record returns back?
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16:41<zzz_>thorgrin: Well, yes and no. ip route show does not show the problematic record, but ip route show cached does.
16:42<shanks>zzz_: iptables -I INPUT 1 -p icmp -icmp-type redirect -j DROP
16:43<zzz_>shanks: Just a sec.
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16:44<houms>anyone know how to send rsyslog files on an interval to central logging server?
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16:46<houms>it sends in realtime now and I would like to be able to control that
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16:48<zzz_>shanks: Okay, now I enabled that firewall rule, and let me try again.
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16:50<jhutchins_lt>houms: Use logrotate to start a new file and rsync the old one.
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16:52<zzz_>shanks: It worked. Thank you! :D
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16:53<zzz_>shanks: The rule you asked me to add to the firewall actually got 9 hits.
16:53<houms>thanks jhutchins, unfortunately that is not really feasible as rsyslog-mysql + loganalyzer is what we are using
16:53<houms>the logs automatically are sent to the central rsyslog server and stored in mysql
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16:56<shanks>zzz_: :)
16:56<shanks>zzz_: you can even log those packets if you're interested
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16:56<zzz_>shanks: Will do. :) Thank you so much.
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17:04<shanks>is there a way to check my dependencies are good?
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17:06<shanks>err, well aptitude is complaining about something whereas apt-get isn't
17:07<shanks>just wondering why apt isn't complaining
17:07<Nemoder_>what's the message?
17:07<valdyn>shanks: "aptitude why"
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17:09<Nemoder_>aptitude why libc6 i avidemux-plugins Depends libc6 (>= 2.7)
17:09<Nemoder_>i guess that's a good reason :s
17:09<jordanm>basically everything is going to depend on libc6 somewhere down the line
17:09<Nemoder_>heh yeah, odd that it chose that one is all
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17:10<shanks>Nemoder_: 'xdeview depends upon libuu0'. but I uninstalled xdeview.. so I dont' get why I'm getting that message
17:11<Nemoder_>hm maybe it's still tagged to be installed in aptitude
17:11<valdyn>shanks: aptitude can set markers on packages that apt-get cant see or understand. Don't alternate those 2 tools before you understand this
17:11<Nemoder_>try aptitude remove xdeview
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17:12<shanks>valdyn: I thought I'd have a play with aptitude and I read that it is now safe to switch between the two since more stuff is in libapt. But after what you say, I'll be sure to use just the one. Didn't realise it was bad or there were certain things to bear in mind
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17:12<shanks>Nemoder_: yeah I guess it is :-S is it OK to leave it like that? I'm not going to use aptitude again.
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17:13<Nemoder_>aptitude is actually safer as it can forsee problems apt-get wont
17:13<Nemoder_>i don't think you can mess up your system switching between them but you might have more/fewer packages installed than you want is all
17:13<shanks>Nemoder_: well as I say I thought I'd have a play but when I need to do stuff I tend to swtich back to what I know : apt-get et al
17:14<shanks>Nemoder_: OK that's good to know. thanks.
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17:19<shanks>Nemoder_: running aptitude remove xdeview, seemingly did nothing but sorted out that 'flag'
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17:19<Nemoder_>that makes sense
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17:19<shanks>cool. from now on i'll only use aptitude for 'why' and 'why-not'. think that'll be safe?
17:20<Nemoder_>I doubt you'll run into many problems unless you start adding new repositories
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17:21<Nemoder_>apt-get alone just isn't very smart about dealing with conflicts
17:22<shanks>Nemoder_: I never seem to get any conflicts, I guess I don't install enough software ;-)
17:22<jhutchins_lt>shanks: aptitude is often better at resolving dependencies, but that can sometimes be too much of a good thing.
17:22<jhutchins_lt>,versions libc6
17:22<judd>Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-21; wheezy: 2.13-21
17:22<shanks>jhutchins_lt: it did once offer me lots of choices for doing something simple and it scared me away
17:22<jhutchins_lt>shanks: Are you running lenny?
17:22<Nemoder_>I still use dselect myself. stuck in my ways i guess
17:23<shanks>jhutchins_lt: I'm running squeeze
17:23<shanks>Nemoder_: i love dselect.
17:23<jhutchins_lt>shanks: You should be able to do aptitude -f install and it should update it for you. If not, pastebin your sources.list
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17:24<shanks>jhutchins_lt: already fixed it now thanks to nemoder's suggestion but thanks.
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17:25<shanks>is there a package in Debian that enables me to run my own iCal server so I don't have to use Google Calendar?
17:25<emy>ciao a tutti
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17:25<alfa>hello, I'm running wheezy (64bit) and I have a problem with zenity 3.2.0: the simple script "zenity --question --timeout=5" returns the value "5" when I click "Yes" instead of "0"
17:26<shanks>alfa: #debian-next, i think :)
17:26<jhutchins_lt>shanks: What does aptitude search ical show you?
17:26<alfa>shanks, thanks
17:26<emy>ho installato squeeze e non mi funziona scheda wireless e audio
17:26<shanks>emy: don't speak italian here. non parlare l'italiano qui, solo l'inglese
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17:27<shanks>emy: you can update your kernel to one in backports for better success maybe?
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17:27<jhutchins_lt>shanks: Hm, not to useful, is it?
17:27<shanks>jhutchins_lt: nope. lots and lots of output
17:27<shanks>emy: one minute
17:28<jhutchins_lt>dpkg info davical
17:28<dpkg>davical: (The DAViCal CalDAV Server), section web, is extra. Version: (sid), Packaged size: 404 kB, Installed size: 1685 kB
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17:28<emy>five minute
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17:29<shanks>jhutchins_lt: I'll take a look. Was hoping to be able to replace Google Contacts and Google Calendar with something I run myself on my own VPS I have. I can do contacts with SyncML but not sure about the iCal thing since Google use Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync
17:30<shanks>want to sync my calendar between work pc, linux laptop and my mac.
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17:31<emy>will i post source list?
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17:45<emy>shank: add at source.list deb squeeze-backports principale, and apt-get update, after?
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17:47<retrospectacus>emy "main" not principale
17:48<emy>ok, sorry
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17:50<user_3>when installing tdsodbc kde is being removed , how can I work around ?
17:50<user_3>need to use odbc connection from C
17:50<Nazcafan>hey guys
17:50<Nazcafan>playing around
17:50<Nazcafan>with gnome3
17:50<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Nazcafan about enter
17:51<Nazcafan>I see that I have a keyboard shortcut "WWW" in the launchers section
17:51<Nazcafan>how do I trigger that?
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17:51<retrospectacus>I think your keyboard would need such a dedicated button, as some do
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17:54<Nazcafan>yes I used to have such a keyboard in the old days
17:54<emy>retrospectacus: add at source.list deb squeeze-backports main, and apt-get update, after?
17:54<retrospectacus>emy, yes, just like the directions say
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18:02<jhutchins_lt>shanks: Multiple ical servers available, see
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18:02<thorgrin>is there any way to 'apt-get install' a package without it running dpkg --configure? It always breaks there, but otherwise i can get it running. but it is an broken package in the system
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18:03<jeff007>hello, i would like to know what privileges for chroot directory ... for exemple /etc/openvpn/chroot ?
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18:05<jeff007>is there anyone to help me?
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18:06<cthuluh>what privileges to do what?
18:06<jeff007>for a chroot directory for openvpn
18:07<cthuluh>are you talking about the unix permissions the directory should hold?
18:07<thorgrin>jeff007: you should set owner to the user of process that is running in chroot and grant it rwx access
18:07<cthuluh>jeff007: root:root, 755 (or less) I guess
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18:08<cthuluh>thorgrin: you shouldn't give a process rw access to its chroot directory
18:08<jeff007>i add user and group openvpn
18:08<cthuluh>(rather, you shouldn't g
18:08<cthuluh>ive it write capability)
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18:08<thorgrin>cthuluh: I did not know. Why is that?
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18:08<jhutchins_lt>Wouldn't dpkg set this up correctly?
18:09<jeff007>soo for this exemple /etc/openvpn/chroot
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18:09<jhutchins_lt>If not, I'll bet there's an opvpn chroot howto (or a section in the openvpn howto).
18:09<jeff007>after ls : drwxr-xr-x 2 root root
18:09<jeff007>is it good?
18:10<cthuluh>thorgrin: it is easier then for the process to escape the chroot (I don't know the gory details)
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18:13<thorgrin>cthuluh: I'll keep that in mind next time;)
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18:14<jeff007>thank u jhutchins_lt ;)
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18:16<jhutchins_lt>jeff007: It's got stuff about Debian and chroot in there.
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18:20<FuRyWarExe>ðÒÉ×ÅÔ, ÅÓÔØ ËÔÏ ÖÉ×ÏÊ?
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18:22<retrospectacus>FuRyWarExe: what is that
18:22<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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18:22<FuRyWarExe>English only?
18:22<retrospectacus>that's what the robot said
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18:23<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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18:24<ayaka>I want to whether selinux is enable in my computer,how to
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18:26<babilen>!tell ayaka -about selinux
18:26<ayaka>babilen, I have seen it
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18:27<ayaka>babilen, I ask because dokg and page don't include that,I think squeeze should have installed by default
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18:29<babilen>It should definitely not be installed by default and its installation is covered on the wiki.
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18:34<ayaka>babilen, but but what I see when I installed squeeze,it ask me whether enable selinux
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18:36<babilen>so did you?
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18:38<ayaka>babilen, it's in my memories,in fact,I want to know whether installed will ask the question
18:39<ompaul>ayaka: please check messages
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18:43<ayaka>babilen, so whether installer ask me that question?
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18:45<tale>ayaka: What does this command show: dmesg | grep -i selinux
18:45<ayaka>tale, [ 0.008027] SELinux: Disabled at boot. so I should enable it first
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18:50<ayaka>tale, babilen thank you both of you
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18:52<ayaka>how to set postgreslq's data path?
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18:54<cthuluh>ayaka: do you need to?
18:55<ayaka>cthuluh, I'm learning,so I need it
18:55<cthuluh>if you're learning, then you probably have read man postgres, right?
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18:56<ayaka>cthuluh, no,it's english and too long,I read a chinese talk about it in centos5,but not same
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18:58<nevyn>ayaka: why do you want to change the datapath?
18:59<ayaka>nevyn, no why,because I'm learning
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19:03<cthuluh>ayaka: if you're learning then you should read manpages. at least look for PGDATA / -D by yourself...
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19:04<ayaka>how disable ctrl-alt-del to reboot and enable ctrl-alt-back to kill X
19:04<nevyn>ayaka: ctrl-alt-del to reboot is in /etc/inittab
19:05<ayaka>cthuluh, nevyn thank you
19:06<cthuluh>ctrl-atl-back in xorg's config
19:09<ayaka>cthuluh, I think I should it man page
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19:13<ayaka>cthuluh, too long, could you tell me a short version
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19:14<cthuluh>are you kidding me?
19:14<jhutchins_lt>ayaka: You want us to do the reading for you?
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19:15<dpkg>For help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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19:16<ayaka>cthuluh, jhutchins_lt no no sir, if you know the answer please tell me,I'm not a mother tongue
19:16<ayaka>jhutchins_lt, in fact,my groups have noone,I'm inside
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19:18<cthuluh>ayaka: type ''man postgres'', <enter>, /PGDATA, <enter>
19:18<cthuluh>ayaka: do you know that not being willing to read makes one end up in a killfile?
19:18<ayaka>cthuluh, I said the X one
19:18<jhutchins_lt>ayaka: However, if you don't know how to change it, maybe it would be a good idea to leave it at the default until you learn more. There's probably a good reason why the default is where it is.
19:19<cthuluh>ah, you were actually also the one asking that question ; didn't even see it
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19:20<jhutchins_lt>ayaka: It's best to work on one thing at a time in IRC support. You've asked a string of questions and might be getting answers to different parts of different questions.
19:21<ayaka>jhutchins_lt, I see,I will,I just think the postgresql have been sovled,so I ask other
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19:22<jhutchins_lt>listkeys zap
19:22<dpkg>As of Squeeze, terminating an X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace ("zapping") is disabled by default. To enable, run "dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium keyboard-configuration" and answer Yes when asked if Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can terminate the X server (or "setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"). To disable zapping in Lenny, define Option "DontZap" "on" within the ServerFlags section of xorg.conf, ask me about <xorg config lenny>.
19:22*cthuluh zaps ayaka
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19:23<ayaka>cthuluh, there comes police
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19:24<ayaka>cthuluh, jhutchins_lt themill thank you all
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19:46<Some_Person>Is there an easy way that I can transfer all the contents of an almost-full 80GB drive to another 80GB drive?
19:48<nevyn>Some_Person: lvm makes it trivial
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19:48<nevyn>Some_Person: if you havn't planed for this requirmeent you could boot a livecd and dd from the full one to the empty one.
19:48<Some_Person>I do plan to do the work from a live CD
19:49<nevyn>Some_Person: is it just partitions?
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19:50<Some_Person>It has 3 partitions, one of which is just swap, iirc. Let me boot it up (to the live CD) and check
19:50<retrospectacus>gparted would do it nicely
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19:54<nevyn>Some_Person: so the task as youve described it seems... pointless.
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19:55<nevyn>Migrate data from an 80gig disk to an 80gig disk
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19:55<Some_Person>I want to use the first 80gig disk (the one with the data) in a production system without losing its contents
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19:56<Some_Person>The second disk appears to hold data just fine, but makes a horrible high-pitched whine
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19:57<nevyn>is a new disk beyond the budget?
19:57<Some_Person>I plan to go through and backup the needed data on it when I have time, but I need to get this system back up in the meantime
19:57<Some_Person>and I can't live with the horrible whine
19:59<nevyn>and there's nothing on the target 80gig disk (that doesn't whine)
19:59<Some_Person>The disk that doesn't whine is the source disk with all the data
20:00<nevyn>oh sorry the target disk that does whine
20:00<Some_Person>No, just remnants of an old Windows install. Nothing on it that needs to be saved
20:01<nevyn>do you plan to make changes to the disk configuration of the production system after this?
20:01<Some_Person>I plan to leave it with only the disk that doesn't whine, wiped clean with new OS installs
20:02<ceaerrepe>help in spanish?
20:03<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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20:03<ceaerrepe>dpkg, Nadie responde...
20:03<dpkg>ceaerrepe: I don't know, could you explain it?
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20:04<nevyn>ceaerrepe: dpkg is a automatic system not human
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20:04<Some_Person>Ok, I booted up the live CD. It recognized the whiny disk as sda1 and the quiet disk as sda2
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20:04<Some_Person>err, sda and sdb
20:04<Some_Person>(my fail)
20:04<ceaerrepe>nevyn, Ok, thanks
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20:05<cirinho>hello all
20:05<cirinho>i need help
20:05<cirinho>i want put on shell to get root and execut command
20:05<cirinho>more lass
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20:05<cirinho>echo $PASSWORD>>su root
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20:05<cirinho>/etc/init.d/ssh start
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20:06*nevyn goes all bob the angry flower on cirinho
20:06<nevyn>if you really must then chown root.root && chmod u+S
20:07<Some_Person>argh, there's a problem. The whiny disk is 74.53 GiB, and the quiet disk is 93.16 GiB
20:07<nevyn>and then it'll run as root
20:07<nevyn>Some_Person: that's good
20:07<cirinho>i can´t
20:07<nevyn>cirinho: why not?
20:08<dpkg>Yes I can!
20:08<cirinho>i access http witch phpshell it´s limited and execut command witch apache user www-data
20:08<cirinho>my friend killed ssh
20:08<cirinho>i have root password
20:08<cirinho>i have access ftp only
20:08<Some_Person>nevyn: why is that good?
20:08<nevyn>he killed sshd....
20:08<Some_Person>The target disk is smaller than the source disk
20:08<cirinho>i need start ssh
20:09<cirinho>i want put in script to get root and execut command to start sshd
20:10<nevyn>no console? no access that isn't ssh?
20:10<Some_Person>Maybe I should just buy a new disk. How much do 80GB IDE disks go for these days?
20:10<nevyn>Some_Person: can you even buy 80gig ide disks?
20:11<Some_Person>Why wouldn't you be able to?
20:11<Some_Person>I don't think SATA has completely taken over yet
20:11<cirinho>nevyn i access to http usind script.php phpshell to execut comand ... i put script.php (phpshell) to ftp ... and i access http
20:11<nevyn>Some_Person: becuase 80gig is tiny
20:12<cirinho>my scrip don´t get root ... paramether is wrong
20:12<Some_Person>nevyn: For this particular system, I don't need a large drive
20:12<cirinho>i put permission 777 in script to execute
20:12<Some_Person>nevyn: Saving money > larger disk
20:12<nevyn>Some_Person: ok.
20:13<Some_Person>Btw, I think it's a bit funny that 80GB = small. I have a 20 MB drive lying around here still
20:13<cirinho>nevyn do you have one idea ?
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20:14<nevyn>cirinho: it'll be nasty redirection ick...
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20:16<nevyn>su will be messing with you it wants to be in a "real" terminal
20:17<cirinho>only in january
20:17<cirinho>ther terminal is a 500 km of me
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20:18<nevyn>so the problem is. su is specifially coded to not support having input piped into it.
20:19<cirinho>i want the paramether to get root to finish my script
20:19<cirinho>su >> echo $PASSWORD
20:19<heikkila>It's not small for solid state disks ;(
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20:29<cirinho>become root in a shell script
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21:37<AmishSteve>Is debian about toy story?
21:39<cygnus>The naming scheme, I suppose
21:39<AmishSteve>cygnus: Which is the most popular channel
21:39<cygnus>For what?
21:40<AmishSteve>I mean most chatty
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21:41<heikkila>Rumour has it that #moocows is chatty
21:41<AmishSteve>always seems quiet
21:41<g0rs>#debian-offtopic is okay if you are looking for intelligent audience :D
21:41<heikkila>This is a support channel, so if noone needs support it will be quite quiet :)
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21:50<ozmotion>i have a question, is it a security risk to run an ftp daemon as root, or should i always run services like that as system users
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21:55<nevyn>ozmotion: the question should be...
21:56<nevyn>is it a security risk to run an ftp daemon?
21:56<nevyn>the answer is yes.
21:56<nevyn>ftp is a fundamentally broken protocol that uses clear text authentication.
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21:58<nevyn>ozmotion: running ftp in a sandbox on a low port is possible but it's a bunch of work to set it up. it really is best avoided IMEO
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23:02<jthill>the temptation to reply "fail" is overwhelming
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23:08<noyb>hello there
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23:08<noyb>I'm new to debian
23:08<noyb>but I'm stuck with one thing
23:08<ayaka>noyb, hello,say your question
23:08<noyb>can anyone help me?
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23:09<noyb>enableing compiz
23:10<noyb>ayaka: I have nvidia and ccsm installed
23:10<noyb>but debian is a bit different than ubuntu or mint
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23:11<ayaka>noyb, have you even seen our wiki and do you use non-free driver?
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23:11<noyb>yes seen the wiki and i think i'm using the non-free driver
23:12<ayaka>noyb, then what is the problem?
23:12<noyb>ayaka:should it just work with the graphics driver or do i have to go into etc
23:13<nyov>is there an easy way to disable pulseaudio temporarily to test an application directly with ALSA?
23:13<ayaka>noyb, follow wiki first
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23:13<noyb>just like using the cube, i was an ubuntu user for years and then unity came out so i switched to mint and now debian
23:14<ayaka>nyov, for pulse you can stop it by #/etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop
23:14<nyov>i tried moving ~/.asoundrc and /etc/asound.conf out of the way already, but it still seems to wrap hw:0,0 somehow
23:14<nyov>ayaka: not enough, it restarts as a user process
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23:15<nyov>also did alsa force-reload after
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23:17<jwls>0+1+1+2+3+5+8+13+21+34+55+89= ?
23:17<nyov>so I run the program with a commandline option to directly access hw:0,0 and sound works, then i kill pulseaudio in the background, the sound is gone. so must be using pa I'd think
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23:26<dpkg>ajs: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con
23:27<ajs>if I get su: must be run from a terminal
23:27<ajs>but I'm at a prompt
23:27<ajs>how can I fix that?
23:28<ajs>what is su checking to see if it's interactive?
23:28<ayaka>ajs, could you retell your question?
23:28<ajs>I'm at an interactive prompt as a normal user
23:29<ajs>I type su -
23:29<ajs>I get "su: must be run from a terminal"
23:29<ajs>can't get root on my own box
23:29<ayaka>ajs, which interactive prompt?
23:30<ajs>a gnome terminal
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23:31<ayaka>ajs, it is so stranger,I'm sorry I can't help ,maybe you open the root terminal
23:31<ajs>ah ok
23:32<ajs>I guess I will back up and reinstall
23:32<ajs>I messed up my env
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23:32<ayaka>ajs, you can wait here for hour,the powerful people will wake up
23:32<ajs>haha ok I'll be here for an hour
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23:37<nyov>ajs: your problem is su is doing security checks that the password doesn't come from a script but a user. so it complains
23:38<ajs>well, that's obvious
23:38<ajs>but why is my default gnome-terminal a bad env?
23:42<jthill>ajs: I think it might mean "terminal, but not a pseudo-terminal". Try it from a console.
23:42<nyov>don't have one, i can't say. yes, try a different term
23:42<ajs>I did, same thing
23:42<nyov>which $TERM?
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23:43<ajs>believe me, that was the first thing I tried
23:43<ajs>i also made sure my terminfo was intact
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23:44<jthill>you hit alt-shift-f1 and logged in to the text-mode console, where `tty` replies "/dev/tty1", and it's still demanding a terminal?
23:44<jthill>sorry, alt-ctrl-f1
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23:48<jthill>and, from curiosity, why do you want to use su and not sudo?
23:50<ajs>and because I'm trying to fix up my debian install
23:50<ajs>and I dont want to type sudo sudo everything
23:51<ajs>i guess i'll try booting in single user mode
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23:57<jthill>... too bad there's no way to get a root shell with sudo ...
23:57<dardevelin>ajs, sudo -i
23:57<dardevelin>that should log you in as root
23:57<dardevelin>or just do
23:57<dardevelin>login root
23:57<dardevelin>and then pw
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23:58<jonathan>what does this error mean on boot says cqannot find grldr in all drives?
23:58<jonathan>then says reboot
23:59<jonathan>imm trying t o load a new os on my maCHINE
23:59<jonathan>it will only work with the cd in
23:59<dardevelin>jonathan, you sure is grldr ?
23:59<jonathan>i did crete a save fiule
23:59<jonathan>ya pretty sure
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